Oct 26, 2026 City Council

I JUST WANTED YOU TO BE AWARE. WE'RE GOING TO WE'RE GOING TO MOVE ON TO OUR REGULAR MEETING.

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WE HAD TO REBOOT THE COMPUTER, SO GIVE ME ONE EXTRA MINUTE [LAUGHS].

JUST KIDDING. I NOW DECLARE THAT THE PLANO CITY COUNCIL IS RECONVENED IN OPEN SESSION, THAT ALL MEMBERS ARE PRESENT.

WE'LL BEGIN TONIGHT'S REGULAR MEETING WITH THE INVOCATION LED BY PASTOR TRACY EBARB WITH FIRST PRESBYTERIAN CHURCH AND THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE AND TEXAS PLEDGE, LED BY THE PLANO SENIOR STUDENT COUNCIL. WE ARE SO PROUD TO HAVE YOU GUYS.

THANK YOU. WOULD YOU ALL PLEASE RISE? LET US PRAY. GRACIOUS GOD, WE GATHER WITH GRATITUDE FOR THE PEOPLE OF PLANO AND FOR THE PRIVILEGE AND RESPONSIBILITY OF PUBLIC SERVICE.

GIVE THIS COUNCIL WISDOM TO LISTEN CAREFULLY, HUMILITY TO RECOGNIZE WHAT THEY DO NOT KNOW, AND THE COURAGE TO DO WHAT IS RIGHT. KEEP BEFORE US THOSE WHOSE NEEDS ARE EASILY OVERLOOKED.

NEIGHBORS WHO STRUGGLE TO MAKE ENDS MEET, FAMILIES CARRYING GRIEF, AND PEOPLE WHO WONDER WHETHER THEIR VOICES MATTER AND EMPOWER ALL THOSE WHO INVEST IN THE COMMON GOOD. MAY MERCY SHAPE OUR JUDGMENTS, INTEGRITY GUIDE OUR DECISIONS AND A HUNGER FOR JUSTICE STRENGTHEN OUR RESOLVE.

TEACH US TO MAKE PEACE THROUGH HONEST CONVERSATION, MUTUAL RESPECT, AND PATIENT WORK.

BLESS OUR MAYOR, OUR COUNCIL MEMBERS, OUR CITY STAFF, OUR FIRST RESPONDERS, AND ALL WHO SERVE THIS COMMUNITY.

MAY THE WORK DONE HERE TONIGHT HELP PLANO BECOME A PLACE WHERE EVERY NEIGHBOR IS TREATED WITH DIGNITY AND HAS AN OPPORTUNITY TO FLOURISH. AMEN.

YOU CAN DO IT THERE. THAT'S PERFECT. PERFECT.

I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS.

ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE, WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL.

HONOR THE TEXAS FLAG. I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THEE TEXAS.

ONE STATE UNDER GOD, ONE AND INDIVISIBLE.

OKAY, GUYS, I'M LEO. THANK YOU. DO YOU GUYS KNOW I'M A WILDCAT, TOO? THERE ONCE WAS A SCHOOL BACK THEN, RIGHT? OKAY, THIS IS MY LITTLE TOKEN FOR YOU GUYS.

YOU GUYS HAVE TO TAKE A PICTURE. OKAY. COME OVER HERE.

PERFECT. OKAY.

DID IT WORK? YOU CAN GRAB MY PHONE. MY PURSE.

THERE WE GO. ALL RIGHT. OKAY.

THANK YOU GUYS SO MUCH. WE REALLY APPRECIATE IT [APPLAUSE].

PUT [INAUDIBLE] THANK YOU.

APPRECIATE IT. REALLY DO WHAT YOU NEED. ONE MORE.

WE NEEDED, LIKE, SIX. THANK YOU. APPRECIATE IT.

[(p1) 26-928 Proclamation: October is Code Enforcement Month, and the City of Plano has achieved Five-Star Accreditation from the American Association of Code Enforcement.]

SO I'D LIKE TO CALL FORWARD CURTIS HOWARD, DIRECTOR OF NEIGHBORHOOD SERVICES.

SCOTT LUCIER FROM PROPERTY STANDARDS MANAGER AND NEIGHBORHOOD SERVICES STAFF IN ATTENDANCE.

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AMERICAN ASSOCIATION OF CODE ENFORCEMENT ACCREDITATION, WHICH YOU GUYS HAVE BEEN HONORED WITH THE AMERICAN ASSOCIATION OF CODE ENFORCEMENT ACCREDITATION. SO CONGRATULATIONS THERE.

AND I WILL READ THIS PROCLAMATION. WHEREAS CODE ENFORCEMENT OFFICERS AND PROFESSIONALS PLAY AN ESSENTIAL ROLE IN PROTECTING THE HEALTH, SAFETY, AND WELFARE OF RESIDENTS AND BUSINESSES THROUGHOUT THE ENFORCEMENT OF LOCAL CODES AND ORDINANCES ADDRESSING BUILDING ZONING, HOUSING, PROPERTY MAINTENANCE, ENVIRONMENTAL AND LIFE SAFETY CONCERNS.

WHEREAS, THE CITY OF PLANO PROPERTY STANDARDS DIVISION HAS ACHIEVED A FIVE STAR ACCREDITATION RIGHT THERE.

PROOF. AND FROM THE AMERICAN ASSOCIATION OF CODE ENFORCEMENT BECOMING THE FIRST CITY IN THE NATION TO RECEIVE THIS PRESTIGIOUS FIVE STAR ACCREDITATION DESIGNATION, RECOGNIZING THE DIVISION'S COMMITMENT TO PROFESSIONAL STANDARDS, ACCOUNTABILITY, EFFECTIVE PRACTICES, AND EXCELLENCE IN CODE COMPLIANCE.

WHEREAS THIS HISTORIC ACHIEVEMENT REFLECTS THE DEDICATION, PROFESSIONALISM, KNOWLEDGE, AND COMMITMENT TO PROPERTY STANDARDS DIVISION EMPLOYEES WHO WORK EACH DAY TO SERVE PLANO RESIDENTS AND BUSINESSES TO PROMOTE SAFE, WELL MAINTAINED AND THRIVING NEIGHBORHOODS.

NOW, THEREFORE, I, JOHN MUNS, MAYOR OF THE CITY OF PLANO, TEXAS, DO HEREBY PROCLAIM OCTOBER IS NATIONAL CODE COMPLIANCE MONTH IN PLANO, AND I DO THEREBY ENCOURAGE ALL CITIZENS TO JOIN ME IN THE PLANO CITY COUNCIL IN RECOGNIZING THE ACCOMPLISHMENTS OF THE PROPERTY STANDARDS DIVISION AND ITS FIVE STAR ACCREDITATION AS A REFLECTION OF PLANO'S COMMITMENT TO PROFESSIONAL EXCELLENCE AND OUTSTANDING SERVICE, WHICH CONTRIBUTE TO THE EXCEPTIONAL QUALITY OF LIFE FOUND IN THE CITY OF EXCELLENCE.

CONGRATULATIONS, CURTIS [APPLAUSE]. THANK YOU.

THANK YOU MAYOR. SO I'M PLEASED TO TAKE THIS OPPORTUNITY TO CELEBRATE CODE COMPLIANCE MONTH HERE.

ESPECIALLY WITH OUR PROPERTY STANDARDS DIVISION.

THESE GUYS DO A GREAT JOB IN MAKING SURE THAT OUR NEIGHBORHOODS AND BUSINESSES REMAIN WONDERFUL PLACES FOR CITIZENS OF THE CITY OF PLANO TO TO WORK, PLAY, AND THRIVE. AND ALL THAT HARD WORK AND DEDICATION IS ACKNOWLEDGED BY THE FACT THAT THE AMERICAN ASSOCIATION OF CODE ENFORCEMENT HAS HAS ACKNOWLEDGED THIS AND GIVEN THEM A FIVE STAR RATING, THE FIRST IN THE NATION, THE FIRST ORGANIZATION IN THE NATION TO GET THAT FIVE STAR RATING, WHICH JUST SHOWS THEIR LEVEL OF COMMITMENT.

SO PLEASE CONGRATULATE THEM AND ALL THE HARD WORK THEY DO [APPLAUSE].

GREAT JOB. THANK YOU. MAYOR.

OKAY. LET'S MOVE ON TO THE CONSENT AGENDA. ARE THERE ANY ITEMS

[CONSENT AGENDA]

THE CONSENT AGENDA. THE CONSENT AGENDA WILL BE ACTED UPON IN ONE MOTION AND CONTAINS ITEMS WHICH ARE ROUTINE AND TYPICALLY NONCONTROVERSIAL.

ITEMS MAY BE REMOVED FROM THIS AGENDA FOR INDIVIDUAL DISCUSSION BY A COUNCIL MEMBER, THE CITY MANAGER OR ANY CITIZEN.

THE PRESIDING OFFICER WILL ESTABLISH TIME LIMITS BASED UPON THE NUMBER OF SPEAKER REQUESTS.

MR. MAYOR, I MOVE WE APPROVE THE CONSENT AGENDA AS PRESENTED, AND I.

SECOND. SO I HAVE A MOTION, A SECOND TO APPROVE THE CONSENT AGENDA.

PLEASE VOTE. MOTION PASSES 8 TO 0.

OKAY, SO LET'S GO BACK TO THE PLANO AQUATIC CENTER SPEAKERS.

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I WAS JUST GOING TO. ALL RIGHT, HOLD ON. OKAY.

YOU'RE NOT, YOU'RE NOT FIRST. I KNOW. OH OKAY.

YOU'RE GOING TO COME DOWN. ALL RIGHT. OUR FIRST SPEAKER IS CHRIS STEVENSON.

ALL RIGHT. THERE WE GO. HELLO, HELLO, MR. MAYOR AND CITY COUNCIL. THANK YOU FOR LETTING ME SPEAK. I'VE BEEN.

MY NAME IS CHRIS STEVENSON. I'VE BEEN A RESIDENT OF PLANO SINCE 1989.

I MET MY HUSBAND HERE AND WE'VE RAISED FOUR CHILDREN WHO ARE NOW YOUNG ADULTS.

ALL WENT THROUGH PISD. WE'VE ALL BEEN IN CENTRAL PLANO THAT TIME.

MY CONCERNS WITH THE PARK HAVE BEEN I'VE ONLY BEEN DOING AEROBICS THERE FOR ABOUT TWO YEARS, SO I'M NOT ONE OF THE LONGEST MEMBERS, BUT IT IS THE ONLY TYPE OF EXERCISE I'VE EVER STUCK WITH.

AND PART OF THE REASON THAT I'VE STUCK WITH IT IS BECAUSE IT'S ONLY TEN MINUTES FROM MY HOUSE.

I LIVE NEAR LIBERTY, AND DURING THE SUMMERS I USE LIBERTY'S POOL.

NOT FOR AEROBICS. IT'S NOT STRUCTURED WELL FOR THAT, BUT I DO SWIM THERE.

AND MY KIDS DO BUT DRIVING AN EXTRA 20 MINUTES TO GET TO EITHER OAK POINT OR MUEHLENBECK HONESTLY, PROBABLY WOULD DERAIL MY EXERCISE, WHICH MEANS I'M PROBABLY NOT VERY DISCIPLINED.

BUT THAT'S WHAT IT IS. COUPLE THINGS. THE PAC, IT'S THE ONLY DEEP WATER INDOOR POOL IN CENTRAL CENTRAL PLANO. IT'S ALSO THE ONLY POOL IN THE DISTRICT THAT HAS A RAMP ACCESS TO THE DEEP END.

SO YOU CAN GET, SO PEOPLE WHO STRUGGLE WALKING CAN GET CAN PARTICIPATE IN DEEP WATER AEROBICS AND CAN USE THE ENTIRE POOL.

SOME OF THE OTHER POOLS DO HAVE RAMPS, BUT THEY CAN'T ACCESS THE ENTIRE POOL EASILY.

AND FOR MANY OF OUR AEROBICS PEOPLE. BUT IN ADDITION, A LOT OF COMMUNITY MEMBERS WHO USE THE POOL NEED THAT ACCESS BECAUSE THEY STRUGGLE WALKING. SO THAT'S, THAT'S A BIG CONSIDERATION.

FROM A FINANCIAL PERSPECTIVE I HAVE, I'M, I'M GLAD YOU'RE TALKING TO ISD.

AND ALSO I HAVE THE HAD THE SAME QUESTION WHY ARE WE COMPARING A POOL ONLY WITH REC CENTERS THAT HAVE A POOL PLUS THE REC CENTER? AND SINCE THE SAM JOHNSON IS A REC CENTER WITHOUT A POOL.

ONE OF MY QUESTIONS IS COULD YOU, FROM A BUDGET PERSPECTIVE, COMBINE SAM JOHNSON WITH THE PAC AND LOOK AT THOSE NUMBERS TOGETHER AND SEE HOW THEY COMPARE TO MUEHLENBECK, OAK POINT OR CARPENTER THAT HAVE THAT HAVE BOTH.

SO SO THAT'S, THAT'S MY CONCERN OR THAT WAS MY QUESTION ON, YOU KNOW, FROM A FINANCIAL PERSPECTIVE, CAN WE, SINCE IT, ESPECIALLY SINCE IT'S MOSTLY SENIORS USING IT I ALSO TALKED TO A NUMBER OF FRIENDS AND ACQUAINTANCES WHO ARE NOT PART OF THE AEROBICS CLASS, AND THEY USE IT FOR THEIR LITTLE TINY KIDS AND THEY LIKE THE AQUATIC CENTER BECAUSE IT'S LESS ROWDY AND THEY DON'T GET KNOCKED OVER.

IT'S THE ONLY SPLASH PAD IN CENTRAL PLANO AS WELL FOR THE LITTLE ONES.

THANK YOU. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. [APPLAUSE] OUR NEXT SPEAKER IS BARBARA WHITEHEAD.

OH.

OKAY. I GET NERVOUS TALKING TO GROUPS. SO IT'S JUST US.

THEY DON'T EXIST. SOME OF MY. I JUST HEARD OPEN SWIM AS I CAME DOWN.

AND I'M HERE TO TALK ABOUT THE WATER AEROBICS PROGRAM.

I HAVE BEEN A PARTICIPANT FOR MANY YEARS AND JUST SO I DON'T GET TOO OFF TRACK, I ASSUME YOU GUYS HAVE THE THE WRITE UP OF WHAT WE SUBMITTED THAT WE WERE GOING TO SAY.

AND THIS IS MY BIG POINT. I WANT A SOLUTION TO THE WATER AEROBICS PROGRAM.

I DON'T REALLY CARE HOW WE GET THERE, BUT I WANT A SOLUTION.

IT FEELS TO ME, AND IT SOUNDS LIKE WE'RE GETTING A LITTLE MORE SUPPORT SINCE WE'VE MADE SOME NOISE.

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AND I'M LOOKING FOR ANOTHER DATE NOW TO GO TO THE PARTY.

I JUST WANT MY PROGRAM TO CONTINUE. IF YOU ALL ARE GOING TO NEGOTIATE SOMETHING TO KEEP THAT GOING WITH PISD, GREAT. IF YOU'RE GOING TO KEEP THE WHOLE POOL OPEN, GREAT.

ONE OF THE THINGS I WAS GOING TO INDICATE IS I KNOW THAT THERE ARE SOMETIMES SOME OUTSIDE ENTITIES LIKE COPS LEASES WATER SPACE FOR PEOPLE TO TO DO KIDS TO DO LAPS. MY DAUGHTER WAS ON COPS SWIMMING AT PAC 30 YEARS AGO.

MY HUSBAND WAS ON THE BOARD OF COPS. AND I KNOW THAT THERE'S ALWAYS AN INTEREST IN UTILIZING THE WATER SPACE BECAUSE IT'S VERY LIMITED.

SO IF NOT YOU, I'M ASKING YOU TO FACILITATE SOME OTHER ENTITY THAT CAN COME TAKE ON OUR PROGRAM AND KEEP US IN THE WATER AS WE ARE BECAUSE WE'RE VERY HAPPY WITH IT. IT WAS GOOD TO SEE AND SOME OF THE MATERIALS THAT WERE EMAILED TO US THAT WITHOUT THE LIKE DEFICIT, BUDGET RECOVERY THAT IS BEING SPREAD AROUND. WE MAKE A PROFIT.

IT'S LITTLE, BUT, YOU KNOW, WE COVER OUR EXPENSES, SO WE SHOULD BE AN ATTRACTIVE PROGRAM TO SOMEONE.

THERE IS NO POINT IN HAVING EMPTY LANES AND EMPTY WATER.

WE DO PAY TOWARDS THE BUILDING USAGE AND SUCH.

SO THAT WAS MY BIG. MY BIG POINT IS WHATEVER YOU DO, KEEP THE PROGRAM GOING.

IT WAS A LITTLE BIT OFFENSIVE THE WAY THINGS WERE ROLLED OUT AND THROWN AT US.

THE FACT IS, EACH AND EVERY ONE OF US IN THE PROGRAM AT PAC, WE HAVE ALREADY REJECTED THESE OTHER FACILITIES FOR ONE REASON OR ANOTHER.

WE HAVE ALREADY SAID, NO, WE NEED TO BE AT PAC AND WE WANT TO STAY THERE.

THAT'S PROBABLY IT. THAT'S THE BASIC OF IT. BUT I DON'T SEE WHY THIS CAN'T WORK.

THANK YOU. I WOULD LIKE TO GET WHAT I WANT TO HEAR FROM YOU.

NOT RIGHT NOW, I GUESS, BUT THAT THE PROGRAM WILL SURVIVE THAT THOSE THAT THE WATER AEROBICS PROGRAM WILL CONTINUE ONE WAY OR ANOTHER.

IT'S NOT ENOUGH JUST TO SAY, OH, YOU'RE A COMMUNITY AND WE CARE.

OKAY. THANKS. TIME'S UP. OUR NEXT SPEAKER IS M.K VERNER.

I JUST REALLY WANT TO THANK THE MAYOR AND ALL THE COUNCIL MEMBERS FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION FOR READING WHAT APPARENTLY WERE AN AWFUL LOT OF EMAILS AND TEXTS AND VOICE MESSAGES. I REALLY DO APPRECIATE IT. I FEEL LIKE THIS THIS IS WHAT THE CITY OF EXCELLENCE MEANS, IS THAT YOU, AS OUR LEADERSHIP, ARE LISTENING TO THE CITIZENS, LISTENING TO OUR CONCERNS AND ADDRESSING THOSE IN AN EFFECTIVE WAY.

I'VE KIND OF HAD THE NOTION THOUGH TODAY AND COMING HERE TONIGHT OF THINGS THAT I USED TO SAY TO MY KIDS, LIKE, DON'T MAKE ME COME DOWN THERE. AND I THINK, YOU KNOW, IF IF WE CAN DO THE SAME THING THAT THE WATER DISTRICT WAS TALKING ABOUT, TO REWIND ON WHAT HAS HAPPENED WITH THIS PRETTY MUCH FAILED ROLLOUT OF TRYING TO WHICH DIDN'T SEEM VERY TRANSPARENT, DIDN'T HAVE VERY GOOD COMMUNICATION WITH THE STAKEHOLDERS.

AND IF, IF WE CAN, YOU KNOW, HAVE A PROMISE OF BETTER COMMUNICATION GOING FORWARD.

YOU KNOW, MY BIGGEST QUESTION IN THE TWO WEEKS SINCE I LAST SPOKE TO Y'ALL WAS, YOU KNOW, THERE'S LOTS OF FACILITY SHARING WITH PISD AND WHY THAT DIDN'T HAPPEN UP FRONT IN THIS PROCESS AND WHY IT ONLY HAD TO HAPPEN BECAUSE OF CITIZENS INITIATING SO MANY QUESTIONS.

AND, YOU KNOW, FRANKLY, YOU KNOW, PRETTY MUCH STOMPING OUR FEET ON THIS WHOLE THING.

I DON'T THINK ANYONE, YOU KNOW, ALL OF US WANT TO BE HOME WATCHING THE SERIES OR, YOU KNOW, DOING SOMETHING ELSE TONIGHT AND NOT KEEPING YOU HERE LONGER.

SO THAT'S WHAT I HAVE TO SAY. THANK YOU, THANK YOU, THANK YOU FROM THE BOTTOM OF OUR HEARTS.

AND, YOU KNOW, WE ALL HAD A REALLY EXCITING TIME SEEING EACH OTHER IN CLOTHES [LAUGHS] COMING HERE BECAUSE WE ALWAYS ARE IN BATHING SUITS AND, YOU KNOW, WITH BAD HEAD STUFF IN THE MORNING AND EVERYTHING.

SO SHOUT OUT TO EVERYBODY LOOKS REALLY GREAT TONIGHT.

YOU GOT TO BELIEVE IT. SO THANK YOU. OKAY. OUR LAST SPEAKER IS CHRISTINE RISTO.

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THIS ISN'T WHAT I WANTED TO SAY, BUT I DO WANT TO ADD RIGHT NOW A THANK YOU TO RON FOR COMING THIS MORNING TO PLANO AQUATIC CENTER AND LETTING US, AS THE STAKEHOLDERS ASK HIM A LOT OF QUESTIONS.

SINCE THIS WHOLE EPISODE OF PAC CLOSING IN AUGUST WAS A TOTAL SURPRISE TO ALL OF US.

WE DIDN'T KNOW ABOUT IT UNTIL ONE OF OUR SWIMMING COMPANIONS LET US KNOW WHAT HAD HAPPENED AT THE LAST COUNCIL MEETING.

SO WHEN RON CAME THIS MORNING AND WE PRESENTED QUESTIONS TO HIM, WHICH APPARENTLY HE DID TAKE TO HEART BASED ON THE THINGS HE SAID IN HIS PRESENTATION.

I REALLY APPRECIATE THAT HE DID LISTEN TO US AND LOOK BEYOND JUST THE NUMBERS.

WHAT I WAS GOING TO ASK, AND I STILL WOULD LIKE TO ASK IS WHO AT PISD DO WE AS THE PARTICIPANTS NEED TO EMAIL TEXT AS WE DID WITH THE COUNCIL MEMBERS THAT WHO OBVIOUSLY PAID ATTENTION TO IT, WHO AT PISD DO WE NEED TO DO THE SAME PROCEDURE WITH. WE WERE NEVER TOLD ABOUT ANY OF THE DISCUSSIONS THE CITY HAS HAD WITH PISD SO WE'RE KIND OF IN THE DARK ON THAT. SO IF THAT IS INFORMATION THAT COULD BE RELAYED TO US, I WOULD APPRECIATE IT.

AND I THINK THE OTHER STAKEHOLDERS WOULD APPRECIATE IT AS WELL SO WE CAN BOMBARD PISD [LAUGHS] THE SAME WAY WE'VE BOMBARDED THE CITY COUNCIL.

OKAY. THANK YOU, THANK YOU. THERE ARE NO OTHER SPEAKERS.

OKAY. NEXT ITEM IS ITEM FOUR STREAM BANK EROSION UPDATE. ANGELA PFLANZ.

CALEB. YEAH. WELL, ANGELA IS GOING TO BE HERE AS MY BACKUP JUST IN CASE.

AND I'VE GOT A WHOLE CREW HERE. YOU DO? I'M IMPRESSED.

SOMETIMES IT DOES TAKE A VILLAGE. ALL RIGHT. SO CALEB THORNHILL, DIRECTOR OF ENGINEERING.

WANTED TO TALK TONIGHT ABOUT OUR STREAM BANK PROTECTION PROGRAM AND ALSO TALK ABOUT POTENTIAL DIRECTION FOR A POLICY FOR THAT PROGRAM.

SO AS WE GET STARTED JUST SOME STATISTICS. I'LL TALK ABOUT MY SMALL VILLAGE BEHIND ME.

BUT THEY HAVE BEEN INVOLVED WITH THE 127 MILES OF CREEK THAT WE HAVE WALKED AND SCORED AND ANALYZED WITH THE ASSISTANCE OF A CONSULTANT, OF THAT WE HAVE ADDRESSED OR EVALUATED 3000 LOCATIONS THAT WE'VE IDENTIFIED FOR EROSION, AND THAT'S 3000 LOCATIONS, NOT HOMES OR PROPERTIES. SOME OF THOSE LOCATIONS INCLUDE MULTIPLE PROPERTIES ALONG THOSE STRETCHES.

OF THE 3000 646 SCORED BELOW A 60 IN OUR SCORING PROGRAM IS A 0 TO 100.

ZERO BEING THE WORST, 100 BEING THE BEST. SO OUT OF THE 3000 646 WERE BELOW THAT 60 SCORE.

AND THEN OF THE 646, 42 OF THOSE WERE CRITICAL.

NOW, SOME OF THESE NUMBERS WE SHOWED TO YOU GUYS IN JULY OF 2025, BUT I JUST WANTED TO PUT THIS UP AS A REMINDER THAT THE FROM THE STATISTICS.

SO THE PROGRAM ITSELF, GOING BACK A LITTLE BIT FURTHER, I'LL GET TO THE JULY OF 2025.

BUT GOING BACK A LITTLE BIT FURTHER, THIS PROGRAM STARTED IN THE 90S.

WE, IN COORDINATION WITH A COUPLE OTHER CITIES, DEVELOPED AN EROSION CONTROL MANUAL.

WITH THAT, WE STARTED A DRAINAGE FEE AND THE ORIGINAL PROGRAM WAS COMPLAINT DRIVEN.

SO IF SOMEBODY CALLED US, WE WENT OUT AND DID AN EVALUATION.

WE HAD A FORM BASED ON OUR EVALUATION. WE WOULD EITHER PUT THEM ON THE LIST, WE WOULD START A PROJECT OR TELL THEM AT THIS TIME WE DON'T FEEL LIKE IT'S WARRANTED.

SOME OF THOSE LOCATIONS, WE WOULD HAVE MULTIPLE CALLS OVER THE YEARS, SO WE WOULD HAVE SEVERAL DIFFERENT EVALUATIONS OF EACH OF THOSE PROJECTS.

IN 2019, WE HAD SOME MAJOR DRAINAGE INFRASTRUCTURE PROJECTS, AND SO WE WENT TO EVALUATE INCREASING DRAINAGE FEE.

AT THAT TIME, WE TALKED ABOUT OUR CREEKS, AND INSTEAD OF DOING A COMPLAINT BASED PROGRAM, WE WANTED TO LOOK AT A PROGRAM THAT WAS MORE OBJECTIVE AND

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WE COMPLETED THAT IN 2025, AND THIS YEAR WE STARTED TO ROLL OUT SOME SOME LOCATIONS, SOME CRITICAL LOCATIONS FOR IMPROVEMENTS.

AND YOU GUYS HAVE ACTUALLY ALREADY APPROVED A FEW OF THOSE AGENDA ITEMS. BUT THAT 2025, I WANTED TO BRING THAT UP. WE BROUGHT THAT TO YOU GUYS IN JULY.

AND REALLY IT WAS THE RESULTS OF OUR STUDY. AND WHAT WE GOT FROM YOU GUYS AT THAT TIME IS IF IT IS A CRITICAL LOCATION, WE WANT TO LOOK AT MAINTAINING THAT REGARDLESS OF WHAT THE PLOT SAYS.

AND ALSO WE WANTED TO LOOK AT A COST SHARE OPPORTUNITY.

SO WE'VE TAKEN THE LAST YEAR OR SO TO EVALUATE THAT, TO HAVE A BETTER HAVE A PROGRAM THAT IS THAT WE CAN FOLLOW AND THAT IS OBJECTIVE FOR OUR CITIZENS. SO THIS IS A LOCATION.

FUNNY ENOUGH, I FOUND OUT FROM MY STAFF THIS DID NOT SCORE A CRITICAL BECAUSE IT WAS WALKED BEFORE IT FELT SO.

THIS ONE ACTUALLY HAS FALLEN SINCE WE'VE DONE THE EVALUATION.

SO AS WE MOVE FORWARD, THE PROGRAM WILL INCLUDE ANOTHER WALK IN 2027, ABOUT FIVE YEARS AFTER WE DID THE FIRST ONE.

BUT OBVIOUSLY THIS IS A SITUATION WHERE A STRUCTURE HAS FAILED.

IT'S GOT A LOT OF COMPONENTS, AND I'LL SHOW YOU A GRAPHIC.

IT'S KIND OF SIMILAR TO WHAT WE'VE SHOWN BEFORE. MOST OF OUR STREAMS ARE NOT DO NOT LOOK LIKE AN OCEAN.

I'M SORRY ABOUT THAT. BUT WHAT WE LOOK AT WHEN WE DO A SCORING, THAT'S SOME OF THE QUESTIONS WE'VE HAD.

HOW DO WE EVALUATE SAFETY. HOW DO THEY ACHIEVE THOSE SCORES.

SO HERE YOU SEE A TYPICAL HOUSE BACKED UP TO A STREAM.

SOMETIMES THEY HAVE POOLS FENCES, DECKS. ALL OF THOSE COMPONENTS ARE EVALUATED.

IF THE STREAM OR THE EROSION IS A THREAT TO ONE OF THOSE STRUCTURES.

NOW, IF IT'S A THREAT TO A HOUSE, IT'S GOING TO GET A MUCH DIFFERENT SCORE THAN IF IT'S A THREAT TO A FENCE.

OTHER COMPONENTS THAT WE LOOK AT IS THE CHANNEL ORIENTATION.

IS THE EROSION OCCURRING ON THE OUTSIDE OF THE BEND AND THE INSIDE? ALL OF THESE HELP US EVALUATE THOSE SCORES AND ASSIGN THAT 0 TO 100.

AND AS WELL AS THE CHANCE OF FAILURE BASED ON A NUMBER OF THESE CONDITIONS.

WE LOOK AT THE BANK HEIGHT. THAT PREVIOUS PICTURE THAT YOU SAW, YOU COULD SEE THAT WAS UPWARDS OF TEN, 12, 15FT TALL IN SOME LOCATIONS. WE'LL LOOK AT THE BANK STABILITY AS IT EXPOSED ROCK OR IS IT EXPOSED SOIL? DOES IT HAVE TREE ROOTS HOLDING IT UP OR IS IT JUST COMPLETELY BARE? SO ALL OF THESE COMPONENTS AND THEN THERE ARE EROSION HAZARD.

DOES IT LOOK LIKE WE'RE ABOUT TO HIT ROCK AND THE EROSION WILL STOP.

ALL OF THESE WILL HELP US DEVELOP THAT SCORE FROM A ZERO TO A 100.

FROM AN INDUSTRY STANDARDS PERSPECTIVE, WE USE THE SAME CONSULTANT THAT RICHARDSON AND FRISCO HAS USED.

WE'VE TAILORED SOME OF THE ANALYTICS OR THE NUMBERS TO WHAT WE FEEL LIKE PLANO.

WE USE SOME OF THE PROGRAM THAT WE HAD IN PLACE BEFORE, BUT WE'VE TAKEN THE MAJORITY OF IT.

ONE OF THE QUESTIONS WE GET ASKED IS WILL WE RESCORE ONCE IT'S BEEN WALKED? WELL, FROM THAT PICTURE, OBVIOUSLY WE WOULD RESCORE THAT.

AND SO WE DO GET REQUESTS TO RESCORE. WE'LL COME OUT THERE.

A LOT OF THE TIMES THEY DON'T CHANGE SUBSTANTIALLY, BUT THIS PROGRAM WILL HELP US ESTABLISH WHEN WE WOULD RESCORE OR WHEN THE NEW WALKS WOULD OCCUR. BUT OBVIOUSLY WE WOULD LOOK AT RESCORING THOSE.

AGAIN, A SLIDE YOU'VE SEEN BEFORE AND I'LL GET TO THE POLICY ITSELF.

BUT 646 WAS THE NUMBER OF LOCATIONS I MENTIONED OUT OF THE 3000 THAT HAVE SCORED A 60 AND BELOW.

SO WE FEEL LIKE ANYTHING ABOVE 60 IS SOMETHING THAT IS IN GOOD ENOUGH CONDITION THAT WE DO NOT OR ARE NOT GOING TO ADDRESS IT AT THIS TIME.

OUT OF THOSE 646, 425 ARE CITY AND PARK OWNED PROPERTIES.

180 ARE PRIVATE OWNER AND A PRIVATE OWNER CAN BE A PRIVATE RESIDENCE.

SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENCE. IT CAN BE A COMMERCIAL BUSINESS.

IT CAN BE A GOLF COURSE. SO IT'S IT'S ANY PROPERTY THAT'S ESSENTIALLY NOT OWNED BY THE CITY OF PLANO.

AND THEN 41 ARE HOA OF THAT 646. AND SO THE 42 AGAIN, A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT FORMAT, BUT THE 42, YOU KNOW, JUST OVER A 1% OF THE TOTAL 3000, WHICH I THINK IS PROBABLY A GOOD STATISTICS THAT WE'VE ONLY GOT 42 CRITICAL LOCATIONS, BUT 32 OF THOSE ARE PARKS, NINE ARE PRIVATE OWNER, AGAIN, PRIVATE OWNERS, SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENCE, COMMERCIAL GOLF COURSES, AND HOA IS ONE. SO I MENTIONED EARLIER THAT WE HAVE STARTED SOME PROJECTS.

THE RED INDICATES THE CRITICAL LOCATION. SO 16 WE HAVE STARTED.

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AND THE REASON BEING IS THEY ARE LIKELY SANDWICHED BETWEEN TWO CRITICAL LOCATIONS AND SO IT MAKES SENSE TO GO AHEAD AND ADDRESS IT WHILE WE'RE THERE.

AND YOU CAN SEE THERE MOST OF THOSE ARE AERIAL CROSSINGS.

SO WE'RE ESSENTIALLY PROTECTING OUR INFRASTRUCTURE. WE DON'T WANT AERIAL CROSSINGS OR SANITARY SEWER PIPES IN OUR CREEKS IN DANGER OF COLLAPSING.

AND THEN THERE IS ONE DRAINAGE AND THEN THERE'S ANOTHER WATER AND SEWER. ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WAS MENTIONED IN JULY IS MAINTENANCE. DO WE HAVE A MAINTENANCE PROGRAM WITH THIS? IS THERE A WAY FOR US TO ADDRESS PROJECTS BEFORE THEY GET TO THAT CRITICAL? SO WE HAVE PARTNERED WITH OUR FRIENDS IN PUBLIC WORKS THAT WE'VE GIVEN THEM 135 LOCATIONS TO LOOK AT TO SEE IF THERE'S A WAY TO DO MINOR REPAIRS ON THOSE OUT OF THE 135, THEY'VE ONLY EVALUATED ABOUT 20% SO FAR.

BUT NINE OF THOSE, THEY FEEL LIKE THEY CAN REPAIR 20 THEY FEEL LIKE IT'S TOO SIGNIFICANT.

SO WE'RE CONTINUING TO WORK WITH THEM TO SEE IF WE CAN GET A CONTRACTOR ON OR IF THEY'RE GOING TO ACTUALLY REQUIRE DESIGN.

AND HERE'S A REALLY GOOD EXAMPLE. THIS IS AN AERIAL SEWER CROSSING.

IT CURRENTLY SCORES A 49. THE ROCK AND THE CHAIN LINK YOU SEE AT THE BOTTOM OF THAT WE CALL THAT A GABION BASKET.

THE BASKET NEEDS TO BE FIXED. IT NEEDS TO BE TIGHTENED UP.

THERE NEEDS TO BE SOME ROCKS ADDED BACK TO IT.

SO AGAIN, PREVENTATIVE MAINTENANCE, VERY MINOR REPAIR.

BUT THAT WILL MOVE THAT FROM A 49 TO A 75 WITH THAT REPAIR.

ONE OF THE QUESTIONS WE HAD WAS, WELL, WHY WOULD IT NOT BE 100? AND THE REASON IS, IS WHERE THAT PIER IS AT BASED ON THE GEOMETRY OF THE PIPE.

IT'S ACTUALLY IN THE FLOW OF THE CHANNEL. AND SO THE WAY TO REMOVE IT OR THE WAY TO GET IT TO 100, YOU'D ACTUALLY HAVE TO REMOVE THAT PIER. AND BECAUSE OF THE PIPE GEOMETRY, IT'S JUST NOT FEASIBLE AT THIS LOCATION.

SO I MENTIONED LOOKING AHEAD, WE'VE JUST FINISHED THE 20 THE MILES BEING WALKED.

WE STARTED ROLLING OUT CRITICAL PROJECTS. THE NEXT PLAN WOULD BE FOR THE ROUND TWO AS WE WOULD START A NEW WALK.

AND WHAT WE'RE REALLY TRYING TO GET FROM THAT IS WHAT IS THE EROSION RATES AT THESE LOCATIONS? OUR FIRST WALK DEVELOPED 42 LOCATIONS, AS YOU SAW FROM THAT PICTURE EARLIER, THAT BAG WALL, WE'VE ALREADY HAD ANOTHER ONE ADDED. IT'S NOT TO SAY THERE'S NOT MORE OUT THERE.

SO IT CONTINUES TO ERODE, BUT WE DON'T KNOW WHAT THE RATE OF EROSION IS.

WE DON'T KNOW WHEN WE WALK THESE AGAIN IF WE'RE GOING TO HAVE ANOTHER 42, OR DO WE HAVE TWICE THAT MUCH OR HALF THAT MUCH.

SO IT'S REALLY IMPORTANT. THE GOOD THING IS, SINCE WE'VE ALREADY WALKED THIS, WE'VE DEVELOPED THE DATABASE.

IT'LL BE MUCH MORE EFFICIENT. THE PROGRAM'S ALREADY ESTABLISHED.

AND THEN ONCE WE GET THAT FIVE YEARS LATER, WE MAY WALK IT AGAIN.

WE MAY SAY IT GOES TO A TEN YEAR PROGRAM, JUST DEPENDING ON WHAT THE NUMBERS TELL US.

SO PROCEDURE WISE, THIS IS WHAT WE DID NOT HAVE FOR YOU IN JULY OF 25 ARE NOT REALLY WELL DEFINED.

WE'VE WORKED WITH OUR LEGAL DEPARTMENT TO DEVELOP THIS BECAUSE REALLY THE BIG QUESTION IS, CAN WE DO WORK ON PRIVATE PROPERTY? MOST OF THE CITY AND PARKS PROJECTS, THOSE ARE STRAIGHTFORWARD.

SO WE'VE DEVELOPED THIS PROCEDURE AS FOR YOUR EVALUATION OR FOR YOUR DIRECTION.

THE FIRST ONE IS VERY OBVIOUS, THE SELECTION OF THE SITES THAT'S DEFINED BY THE CRITICAL.

WE'VE ALREADY ESTABLISHED THAT. THE NEXT ONE IS THE OWNER'S INTEREST IN RIGHT OF ENTRY.

WE WANT TO TALK WITH THE OWNER, LET THEM KNOW THAT THERE IS AN IMPACT ON THEIR PROPERTY.

WE NEED ACCESS. WE WANT TO DO AN ADDITIONAL EVALUATION OF THEIR PROPERTY.

THE SURVEY CONSTRAINTS AND CONCEPTS, THAT'S GOING TO BE A FEE TO THE CITY THAT WE WILL HAVE TO DO A SURVEY OF THE PROPERTY.

BUT WHAT THAT WILL ESTABLISH FOR US IS, IS THERE ANY CONSTRAINTS BEFORE WE DO THE PROJECT? IS THERE A FENCE IN THE WAY? IS THERE A LANDSCAPE KEYSTONE WALL IN THE WAY? IS THERE A DECK IN THE WAY? IS THERE A POOL IN THE WAY? IS THERE A GARAGE IN THE WAY? AND WE WANT THE PROPERTY OWNER TO BE WELL AWARE BEFORE WE START DESIGN, THAT THESE THINGS WILL HAVE TO BE REMOVED BEFORE WE CAN MOVE THE PROJECT.

IF WE CANNOT COME UP WITH A DIFFERENT SOLUTION TO THAT.

SO IT'S REALLY IMPORTANT FOR US TO FIND THAT OUT THAT INFORMATION AND PRESENT THAT TO THE PROPERTY OWNER.

AND SO YOU SEE DOWN THERE BETWEEN 3 AND 4, WE WANT THEIR COMMITMENT THAT THEY'RE WILLING TO MOVE THOSE ITEMS, WHATEVER THEY MAY BE. THEY MAY JUST BE A SIMPLE FENCE THAT HAS TO MOVE BACK A FEW FEET.

BUT WE WANT THAT COMMITMENT BEFORE WE START MOVING FORWARD.

THE NEXT STEP WOULD BE THAT AGREEMENT AND CONTRIBUTION CONTRIBUTION.

I'LL TALK ABOUT HERE IN A MINUTE. BUT THAT WOULD HAVE TO BE IN PLACE BEFORE WE BEGIN THE DESIGN.

AND THEN OF COURSE, THE CONSTRUCTION AND THEN THE LONG TERM MAINTENANCE, THE CITY WOULD TAKE MAINTENANCE RESPONSIBILITY OF THE STRUCTURE ITSELF, BUT THE PROPERTY WOULD STILL BE RESPONSIBLE FOR MOWING OR ANY DEBRIS OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT.

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IT'S A LITTLE MORE REFINED, BUT OUR PEER TEAM HAS DONE A TON OF RESEARCH ON THIS PROGRAM.

AND WHAT THEY HAVE FOUND IS THERE'S REALLY NOTHING STANDARD.

EVERYBODY DOES SOMETHING A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT DEPENDING ON THEIR SITUATION.

YOU CAN SEE RICHARDSON. I WAS TALKING TO ALLISON EARLIER.

SHE THINKS THAT THEY'VE DONE THESE WALKS FOR THEIR STREAMS FOR THE LAST 20 YEARS.

AND THEY'VE GOT 45 MILES THOUGH. SO IT'S A MUCH SHORTER PROGRAM FOR THEM.

BUT THEY HAVE A 5000 PLUS THE EASEMENT DONATION, WHICH OBVIOUSLY THERE'S A COST ASSOCIATED WITH THAT.

BUT WHAT OUR RESEARCH SHOWS IS THAT MAINTENANCE RESPONSIBILITY STILL STAYS WITH THE PROPERTY OWNER, WHICH IS VERY INTERESTING. ARLINGTON, WHICH YOU WOULD SAY IS KIND OF APPLES TO APPLES ALMOST.

POPULATION 380, 141 MILES. THEY ONLY PROTECT THEIR INFRASTRUCTURE.

THEY DO NOT DO PRIVATE PROPERTY. WE ACTUALLY GOT REACHED OUT TO IF ANYBODY SAW THE NEWS IN THE LAST WEEK OR SO BY DESOTO.

THEY HAD A HOUSE THAT WAS ON TOP OF A STREAM BANK THAT WAS THE HOUSE THEY HAD TO MOVE OUT OF IT BECAUSE OF THE STREAM BANK HAD UNDERMINED THE HOUSE SO MUCH.

AND SO DESOTO IS LOOKING AT, BUT THEY WERE WANTING TO CAP THEIR PARTICIPATION AT $100,000, WHICH SOME OF THESE PROJECTS, IT'S JUST NOT GOING TO BE FEASIBLE.

SO WE'VE TRIED TO PUT TOGETHER, BASED ON THE FEEDBACK WE RECEIVED FROM YOU GUYS, BASED ON SOME OF OUR SURROUNDING CITIES, WHAT WE FEEL LIKE WOULD BE A PROGRAM THAT WE CAN MOVE FORWARD WITH.

SO FIRST ONE, I'VE KIND OF TALKED ABOUT IT ALREADY AND WE'VE TALKED ABOUT IT.

THE CRITICALITY 0 TO 20 FOR RESIDENTIAL HOA AND FOR NON RESIDENTIAL.

THAT WOULD BE ESSENTIALLY IGNORING THE PLAT REQUIREMENTS.

MOST OF THESE LOCATIONS WHERE THERE'S PRIVATE PROPERTY, THE PLAT SAYS THE PROPERTY OWNER IS RESPONSIBLE FOR EROSION.

BUT THAT WOULD BE OUR RECOMMENDATION. IF THEY REACHED THAT CRITICAL, THEY DO QUALIFY FOR IT.

THERE WOULD BE A CONTRIBUTION FOR RESIDENTIAL, AND WE'RE PROPOSING $10,000.

AND THEN FOR NON RESIDENTIAL, WHICH WOULD BE YOUR COMMERCIAL SITES, GOLF COURSES, IT WOULD BE 50% OF THE PROJECT COST.

AND BOTH OF THOSE WOULD INCLUDE THE DEDICATION OR DONATION OF A NECESSARY EASEMENTS TO COMPLETE THE PROJECT.

THESE OTHER ONES ARE WHAT WE'RE PROPOSING. I JUST WANTED TO LET YOU GUYS KNOW FOR SO SITE READINESS.

I TOUCHED ON THAT EARLIER. THAT WOULD BE THE ENCROACHMENT OR THE CONSTRAINTS THAT IMPACT THE SITE.

THAT WOULD HAVE TO BE CLEARED BEFORE WE BEGIN THE PROJECT.

THE MAINTENANCE TALKED ABOUT THAT A LITTLE BIT.

WE WOULD MAINTAIN THE STRUCTURE. PROPERTY OWNERS WILL BE RESPONSIBLE FOR THE GRASS AND DEBRIS IN AND AROUND THE AREA.

AND THEN WE DID PROPOSE A CONSENT AND WITHDRAWAL CONSENT WOULD BE THAT EARLIER WHEN I WAS TALKING ABOUT THE ONE PROJECT OR THE ONE PROPERTY THAT MAY BE IN THE MIDDLE OF A LONGER PROJECT. WE WOULD REQUIRE 100% CONSENT OF ALL PROPERTIES IMPACTED FOR THE PROJECT.

IF THERE'S NO WAY FOR US TO DESIGN AROUND THOSE.

SO WE WOULD HAVE TO GET 100%. THAT'S SOMETHING WE WOULD HAVE TO TALK ABOUT IF SOMEBODY IS HOLDING OUT.

YOU KNOW, THAT COULD BE ESSENTIALLY HOLDING THE PROJECT HOSTAGE.

AND THEN WITHDRAWAL RULES AS LONG AS IT'S BEFORE CONSTRUCTION AND EASEMENTS HAVE NOT BEEN DEDICATED, WE WOULD CONSIDER THAT. SO THESE ARE THE THE FIVE THINGS THAT WE BROUGHT UP FOR DIRECTION FROM YOU GUYS. I KNOW THERE ARE SOME SPEAKERS THAT WANT TO TALK TO YOU, BUT BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU MAY HAVE.

ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU CALEB. COUNCIL MEMBER THOMAS.

THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE AND PRESENTING TODAY.

I'M NEW COMING TO THIS PARTY AND I'VE HAD A FEW EMAILS, WELL, QUITE A FEW EMAILS REGARDING THE CONTRIBUTION OF $10,000. EXCUSE ME. WHAT BROUGHT US TO ASKING FOR CONTRIBUTION OF 10,000 FROM HOAS? SO THAT WAS DISCUSSED AT THE JULY OF 2025, IS TO CONSIDER THAT IT WASN'T THE SPECIFIC 10,000 NUMBER.

IT WAS. WE FELT LIKE THERE SHOULD BE A PARTICIPATION REQUIREMENT WITH THIS.

I'LL LET ANYBODY ELSE. THANK YOU. MAYOR. SO THAT ACTUALLY TAG ON TO THAT BECAUSE I ORIGINALLY THOUGHT WE WERE THINKING OF $15,000 VERSUS THE $10,000.

I THINK AT SOME POINT WE WERE THINKING 25, BUT THERE DOES NEED TO BE SOME SORT OF SKIN IN THE GAME.

IF WE'RE INVESTING THIS MUCH MONEY INTO THE PROJECT, THERE NEEDS TO BE SOME SORT OF ASPECT THAT I MEAN, 10 TO 15, BUT I THOUGHT IT WAS 15 FOR SOME REASON, BUT BASICALLY MAKING SURE THAT THE RESIDENTS STILL ADD SOMETHING INTO IT AS WELL TOO, EVEN THOUGH WE GET PRETTY MUCH IT'S LIKE WHAT, A RANGE OF 500,000 200,000 100,000.

EACH PROJECT WOULD VARY THE DOLLAR AMOUNT, BUT OVERALL, I WOULD JUST SAY THAT FLAT DOLLAR FOR THAT RESIDENT OR THE OWNER OF THE PROPERTY.

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SO WHY NOT USE THE DRAINAGE FEE. THAT WAS A QUESTION THAT I'VE GOT.

WELL YEAH CALEB PROBABLY HAVE TO ANSWER THAT ONE. THE DRAINAGE FEE AS IT STANDS RIGHT NOW IS NOT SUFFICIENT TO TO FUND ALL OF THE PROJECTS.

BUT THE DEPUTY MAYOR PRO TEM'S COMMENT ALSO IT IS TO MAKE SURE THAT THERE IS SOME OF SKIN IN THE GAME AS AS HE MENTIONED, TOWARDS THOSE PROJECTS AS WELL, BECAUSE THERE'S THERE'S A QUESTION OF FAIRNESS AND EQUITY TO THE OTHER CITIZENS, OTHER HOAS, OTHER COMMERCIAL PROPERTIES IN THE CITY AS FAR AS THEM PAYING A DRAINAGE FEE FOR THAT BENEFIT.

AND SO TO TO SOME EXTENT, THERE IS A, SOME ELEMENT OF PRIVATE BENEFIT, WHETHER IT'S 100% OR LESS.

THAT IS THAT IS HAVING ACCESS TO THOSE PARTICULAR AMENITIES, AMENITIES, CREEKS, THINGS LIKE THAT.

THAT'S NOT NECESSARILY SHARED BY THE BROADER COMMUNITY.

AND SO SOME OF THAT ELEMENT IS THAT BALANCE OF WHAT SHOULD BE PUBLICLY FUNDED VERSUS WHAT SHOULD BE PRIVATELY FUNDED WAS PART OF THE DISCUSSION.

THANK YOU. OF COURSE. COUNCIL MEMBER LAVINE. THANK YOU MAYOR.

CALEB, I'M KIND OF QUESTIONING THE SAME TOPIC.

AND, YOU KNOW, I'M KIND OF TORN BECAUSE I SEE THAT MANY OF THE FOLKS ALONG THESE STREAMS DID NOT BARGAIN FOR THE AMOUNT OF WATER THAT NOW RUNNING THROUGH THAT DIDN'T RUN THROUGH WHEN THEY BOUGHT THEIR PROPERTY.

AND ALSO THE FACT THAT IN SOME CASES, PERHAPS THEY REALLY CAN'T AFFORD WHATEVER THIS IS. AND I'M WONDERING IF WE CAN COME UP WITH SOME KIND OF A REVIEW PANEL OR SOMETHING THAT MIGHT BE ABLE TO GO OVER SOME OF THESE CASES. I DON'T KNOW. WE DON'T HAVE THAT MANY HOAS ON THE CRITICAL LIST, BUT SOME OF THEM ARE VOLUNTEER AND FINDING THIS MONEY IS LIKE IMPOSSIBLE.

SO I'D LIKE US TO FIND SOME SOLUTIONS TO WORK WITH RESIDENTS AND HOAS WHERE THEY SAY THE FUNDING IS JUST NOT POSSIBLE. SO COUNCILMAN PART, PART OF THAT WILL BE THAT WE WILL BE IN ORDER TO FUND THOSE ELEMENTS ON THE FAIRNESS AND EQUITY SIDE, IF WE'RE NOT GOING TO CHARGE SOME, THE QUESTION HAS BECOME IS GOING TO BECOME ARE WE CHARGING ANY? BECAUSE ON THE PRECEDENT SIDE, IF WE'RE SAYING SOME GROUPS HAVE TO PAY AND OTHERS DON'T, I THINK WE'RE GOING TO FACE SCRUTINY OVER WHERE THAT LINE IS AND HOW THAT THAT GOES.

AND IF COUNCIL, COUNCIL WANTS TO RAISE DRAINAGE RATES TO, TO BE ABLE TO, TO COVER A LOT OF THIS, THAT THAT'S A COUNCIL DECISION. THAT'S UP TO YOU ALL TO DECIDE.

BUT FROM THE PRECEDENT AND THE FAIRNESS SIDE OF THINGS, I THINK IF COUNCIL APPROVES.

AND TONIGHT YOU MAY JUST TAKE THIS AND NEED TIME TO DIGEST IT.

AND THAT'S ABSOLUTELY FINE AS WELL. BUT IF COUNCIL APPROVES FEES, OUR GOAL IS TO APPLY THOSE EQUITABLY ACROSS THE THE COMMUNITY SO THAT THE, THE EXPECTATION IS PARTICIPATION WILL BE CONSISTENT ACROSS THOSE PARTICULAR GROUPS.

I, I HEAR THAT YOU KNOW, AND MAYBE SOME OF THIS IS FINDING SOME FORM OF FINANCING OR IN THE CASE OF AN HOA HELPING THEM WITH ASSESSMENTS TO THEIR MEMBERS, WHICH THEY'RE NOT GOING TO BE FAMILIAR WITH HOW TO DO THAT IF IT'S A VOLUNTEER FOR SURE. SO IF WE CAN FIND SOME WAYS TO HELP MAYBE IT DOESN'T ELIMINATE THE COST, BUT MAYBE WE FIND A WAY TO MAKE IT PALATABLE.

WE CAN LOOK AT DEVELOPING A TOOLKIT FOR, FOR THEM TO, TO LOOK AT AS FAR AS RESOURCES AND THINGS LIKE THAT THAT THEY CAN LOOK AT.

THANK YOU. HAPPY TO DO IT. COUNCIL MEMBER KEHR.

YES. ALONG THOSE SAME LINES, PARTICULARLY WITH HOA'S, I THINK THERE'S BEEN SOME PRECEDENCE WHERE HOA'S HAVE SORT OF DEFAULTED OR THEY'RE UNABLE TO RAISE THEIR THEIR FEES BECAUSE THEY CAN'T GET A QUORUM TOGETHER, ETC..

DO WE HAVE SOMETHING IN PLACE TO ADDRESS THAT? SO IF WE DO HAVE A $10,000 FEE FOR THE HOA THAT, AS WAS MENTIONED, WE CAN FIND A WAY TO TO HELP THEM TO GET THAT.

IS THERE SOMETHING ALREADY? YEAH. SO WE DO NOT HAVE THAT.

COUNCILMAN. SO PART OF THAT IS, IS WOULD BE THE CITY TAKING THAT ON.

AND SO IF THE CITY IS TAKING ON THAT RESPONSIBILITY, TYPICALLY WHEN WE DO THAT, WE HAVE SOME SORT OF EASEMENT OR ACCESS OR OWNERSHIP OF THE PROPERTY. AND IF THAT'S COUNCIL'S DIRECTION THAT YOU WOULD PREFER US TO GO, THAT WAY WE CAN WORK WITH OUR LEGAL COUNSEL TO TALK ABOUT THOSE OPTIONS,

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AND I THINK WE HAVE TRIED TO BE MINDFUL OF THAT OF PERSONAL PROPERTY.

AND SO IT'S BEEN MORE ON THE VOLUNTARY BASIS THAN ANYTHING.

THANK YOU. WHAT IS, IS DO YOU FEEL LIKE MAINTENANCE? THE WORD MAINTENANCE IS WELL DEFINED BECAUSE IN CONVERSATIONS I HAD LAST YEAR, MAINTENANCE, SOME THOUGHT OF THAT AS SIMPLY MOWING AND SOME THOUGHT OF IT AS, HEY, YOU NEED TO MITIGATE THIS EROSION.

DO WE HAVE A GOOD DEFINITION? DO YOU THINK SO? FROM A I GUESS TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION, PROBABLY NOT WELL DEFINED, BUT WHAT WE'VE TRIED TO USE IT AS IS, IF WE ARE GOING TO LOOK AT MAINTAINING OR MAINTAINING ANY EROSION SITES THAT FALL 60 OR BELOW.

AND SO THE ONES THAT WE'RE WORKING WITH, OUR PUBLIC WORKS TEAM ARE BETWEEN THAT 20 AND 60.

ANYTHING BELOW 20 THAT'S GOING TO BE AN ENGINEERING PROJECT.

SO THAT WILL STAY WITH OUR DEPARTMENT. BUT YEAH, TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION, AS FAR AS THE PROGRAM ITSELF, FROM A MAINTENANCE PERSPECTIVE, THE CITY IS GOING TO MAINTAIN THE STRUCTURE.

SO WHETHER WE PUT IN A, A ROCK WALL, A MAINTENANCE OR A GABION WALL OR WHATEVER WE PUT IN, WHAT I WANT TO MAKE SURE IS UNDERSTOOD IS THAT DOES NOT MEAN THAT WE'RE GOING TO COME OUT THERE AND, YOU KNOW, IF THERE'S TRASH OR DEBRIS OR ANYTHING ALONG THOSE LINES.

RIGHT NOW, THAT PLAT LANGUAGE SAYS THAT, SO LIKE MARK WAS SAYING A SECOND AGO, WE'LL HAVE TO WORK WITH OUR LEGAL TEAM, BUT WE WOULD HAVE ESSENTIALLY AN ACCESS MAINTENANCE EASEMENT ON THE STRUCTURE ITSELF.

OKAY, OKAY. BUT THE BUSH HOGGING THINGS LIKE THAT, THAT WOULD BE UP TO THE RIGHT.

RIGHT. I'D LIKE TO JUST ASK A LITTLE BIT MORE ABOUT BUY IN.

YOU KNOW, I'M THINKING ABOUT, PARTICULARLY IF YOU HAVE A GOLF COURSE AND HAVE A VERY LONG STRETCH OF CREEK AND THERE'S A LOT TO MAINTAIN.

WHERE ARE WE WITH GETTING BUY IN FROM THE OWNERS OF THE OF THE STRETCH OF STREAM? I MEAN, WHAT ARE OUR TOOLS HERE IN TERMS OF, YOU KNOW, GETTING SOMEONE TO COMPLY, PARTICULARLY WHEN YOU'VE GOT THE SITUATION WHERE THEY WILL HAVE TO MAKE A CONTRIBUTION AND, YOU KNOW, AND IF THEY DON'T WANT TO DO IT, I MEAN, WHAT ARE OUR WHAT ARE OUR HANDS TIED OR WHAT? SO IN A SENSE IT, THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE'LL WORK WITH THEM ON EACH OF THOSE LOCATIONS AND THOSE PROJECTS.

BUT AT THE END OF IT, IT'S THEIR PROPERTY. THEY CAN MAKE THAT DECISION OF IT'S OUR PRIVATE PROPERTY.

WE DON'T WANT TO CONTRIBUTE EVEN THE HALF AMOUNT.

AND SO THE NEXT OPTIONS WOULD BE EITHER HAVING THIS BODY HAVE A DIFFERENT POLICY.

YOU KNOW, I DON'T KNOW THAT WE WANT TO GO DOWN, FORCING A SALE OF PROPERTY OR ANYTHING ALONG THOSE LINES.

OKAY. OR WE DON'T DO THE PROJECT. OKAY. WE JUST.

YEAH, WE JUST DON'T DO THE PROJECT. THEY LIVE WITH IT.

WELL, IT COULD BE THE NEIGHBOR, THOUGH, THAT'S LIVING WITH IT AS WELL.

WELL, I THOUGHT YOU WERE YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT LONG STRETCH, LIKE A GOLF COURSE.

THAT'S WHAT I THOUGHT YOU MEANT. OKAY. VERY GOOD, VERY GOOD.

THANK YOU. YEAH. SO SORRY. GO AHEAD. I'M SORRY.

I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT MY MEMORY SERVES ME.

CALEB AND MARK. SO WE STARTED THIS CONVERSATION ABOUT THIS TRYING TO WORK SOMETHING OUT FOR THE BANKS MANY YEARS AGO. RIGHT. ABOUT 2 OR 3 YEARS AGO.

CORRECT. AND I STILL REMEMBER WHEN WE FIRST STARTED TALKING ABOUT THIS THERE WAS A VERY, VERY INTENSE DISCUSSION WITH REGARD TO WHAT IS OWNED BY THE CITY AND WHAT IS RESPONSIBLE BY A CITY AND WHAT IS REALLY RESPONSIBLE BY THE HOA, BECAUSE IT'S REALLY WRITTEN IN THEIR HOA THAT THEY'RE SUPPOSED TO BE TAKING CARE OF IT.

AND THEN THERE WAS A, A LOT OF DISCUSSION, A LOT OF FEEDBACK FROM THE RESIDENTS ABOUT, BUT WE CAN'T AFFORD IT.

AND, AND THE HOA IS UNABLE TO ABSORB ALL THE COSTS.

AND THAT WAS WHEN THE CITY STARTED LOOKING INTO THE POSSIBILITY OF EQUALIZING OUR OUR CARE FOR ALL THE STREAM BANKS AND LOOKING INTO THE COSTS OF TAKING ON THAT BURDEN.

AND AT THAT TIME, I BELIEVE WITH OUR FINANCIAL SITUATION AT THAT TIME, I THINK IT WAS REALLY, REALLY EXTREMELY DIFFICULT FOR FOR THE CITY TO CONSIDER ABSORBING ALL THAT COST.

AM I, AM I REMEMBERING ALL THAT CORRECTLY? YES, MA'AM.

OKAY. SO NOW WE'RE COMING TO THE SOLUTION PART BECAUSE NOW WE HAVE WALKED THE STREETS, WE HAVE WALKED THE BANKS, AND WE LOOKED AT ALL THE AREAS. AND ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WAS ALSO DISCUSSED WAS, LOOK, WE'LL, WE'LL TAKE CARE OF ALL THE REALLY, REALLY DIFFICULT.

I MEAN, THE ONES THAT ARE REALLY, ABSOLUTELY NEEDS IMMEDIATE REPAIR.

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AM I RIGHT? OKAY, SO NOW WE'RE HERE. SO IT'S BEEN 2 OR 3 YEARS AND WE'RE DOWN TO THE NOW.

WE'RE AT THIS POINT IN THIS JUNCTURE WHERE WE'RE TRYING TO FIND SOLUTIONS IN WHICH IT WON'T BREAK THE CITY'S CITY OF PLANO'S BANK WHILE MAKING SURE THAT OUR, YOU KNOW, OUR, YOU KNOW, OUR PROPERTY REMAIN IN GOOD QUALITY AND GOOD VALUE.

SO WITH THAT SAID, I, I'M JUST TRYING TO REMEMBER ALL THAT I.

IF I DON'T REMEMBER IT CORRECTLY, THEN IT'S PROBABLY JUST BECAUSE I'M GETTING OLD.

WELL, COUNCILWOMAN, ONE OF THE CHALLENGES THAT WE HAVE IS WE DON'T HAVE UNIFORMITY AS FAR AS WHAT THE LANGUAGE SAYS FOR ALL OF THESE AREAS.

SO IT'S KIND OF ALL OVER THE BOARD. SO THAT'S BEEN ONE OF THE CHALLENGES WE FACED WITH THIS.

IF IT WAS ALL UNIFORM, IT WOULD BE A LITTLE BIT MORE STRAIGHTFORWARD AS FAR AS OUR APPROACH.

BUT PART OF THAT CHALLENGE IS THE FACT THAT THERE ARE SO MANY DIFFERENT VARIATIONS.

AND SO THAT RESPONSIBILITY KIND OF SHIFTS AROUND FROM INDIVIDUALS TO TO ALL SORTS OF THINGS.

SO FOR US, THAT'S, THAT'S BEEN PART OF THE CHALLENGE IS TRYING TO DEVELOP A POLICY THAT APPLIES UNIFORMLY TO THE CITY.

CORRECT. UNDERSTANDING THAT THERE IS SOME OF THAT VARIABILITY THAT WE'RE ADDRESSING AT THE SAME TIME.

YEAH. SO WITH THAT SAID, I ACTUALLY WITH THAT REMEMBERING I ACTUALLY REALLY APPRECIATE THIS MUTUAL SHARING OF COSTS. I DON'T BELIEVE $10,000 IS REALLY A MAJOR PORTION OF THE COST THAT'S GOING TO COST THE CITY OF PLANO IN FIXING WHAT NEEDS TO BE FIXED. I THINK IT'S A VERY SMALL PERCENTAGE, UNLESS YOU'RE GOING TO TELL ME, NO, NO. I WOULD SAY SO. IT'S OBVIOUSLY GOING TO BE A CASE BY CASE BASIS.

BUT IF A PROJECT HAS REACHED A CRITICAL LEVEL, IT'S GOING TO HAVE SUBSTANTIAL COST.

AND SO $10,000 IS NOT EVEN GOING TO BE WHAT HOW MANY PERCENTAGE OF COST WE'RE TALKING ABOUT.

YEAH. IT'S IT'S GOING TO BE PROBABLY LESS THAN 10% OR LESS THAN 5%.

YEAH. WITH THAT SAID, I THINK THAT THAT IS ABSOLUTELY SOMETHING THAT I THINK WE DEFINITELY NEED TO NEED TO PURSUE.

THAT, THAT IS THE DIRECTION THAT I WOULD SUPPORT BECAUSE AT THIS POINT, HAVING IF WE START HAVING CITY OF PLANO, THE GOVERNMENT ENTITY, BEAR ALL THE BURDEN, WELL, TEN YEARS DOWN THE ROAD, THEY'RE GOING TO PEOPLE ARE GOING TO FORGET THAT THE GOVERNMENT ACTUALLY WALKED IN THIS IN BASICALLY TO SUBSIDIZE AND SUPPORT, NOT BECAUSE THEY ACTUALLY HAVE THE RESPONSIBILITY TO DO SO.

AND THEN TEN YEARS DOWN THE ROAD, THEY'RE GOING TO SAY, WELL, WHAT ABOUT ALL THE MESS? WHAT ABOUT ALL THE GARBAGE? WHAT ABOUT ALL THE CLEANING? WHAT ABOUT ALL THE MAINTENANCE? AND, AND WE START TAKING ON MORE AND MORE RESPONSIBILITY AS A GOVERNMENT THAT WE DON'T HAVE MONEY TO, TO, TO REALLY HANDLE. THANK YOU. MAYOR PRO TEM.

YES. THANKS. AGAIN TOUCHING BASE WHAT THE CITY MANAGER ADDRESSED, BUT ALSO THE VARIABILITIES OF WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT, WHAT YOU EXPLAINED HERE EVERY SITE IS GOING TO BE DIFFERENT.

SO WITH THAT BEING SAID, WE'RE ASKING FOR THE $10,000 CONTRIBUTION FROM THE HOMEOWNER OR FROM THE HOA.

I THINK IT'S ALMOST IMPERATIVE TO US THAT WHEN WE LOOK AT EACH INDIVIDUAL SITE OR A LENGTH OF SITE THERE, THAT WE CONDUCT A REALLY GOOD VALUE ENGINEERING STUDY.

AND WHAT I MEAN BY THAT IS RIPRAP ISN'T ALWAYS THE ANSWER.

YOU KNOW. PILLOW BLANKETS MAY NOT BE THE ANSWER.

SHEET PILING WOULD NOT BE THE ANSWER. IT COULD BE JUST SIMPLE D50 RIPRAP BEING PLACED.

SO I THINK IT'S IMPERATIVE THAT WHEN WE GO BACK THERE AND WE'RE LOOKING AT SOLUTIONS TO DO THIS MITIGATION, WE GO BACK AND LOOK AT IT FROM A DOLLAR PERSPECTIVE TO WHAT'S THE BEST ENGINEERING APPROACH THAT WE CAN DO THIS COST EFFECTIVELY AND STILL MEET THE GOALS OF WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT HERE. SO I JUST DON'T THINK WE NEED TO GO IN THERE BLINDLY AND SIT THERE AND THINK THAT RIPRAP IS ALWAYS THE ANSWER.

IT IS IN A LOT OF CASES, BUT SOMETIMES IT MAY NOT BE.

AND WE CAN GET BY WITH A CHEAPER ALTERNATIVE THAT STILL MEETS THE MITIGATION GOALS.

THEN THAT'S SOMETHING WE SHOULD BE ALWAYS TARGETING.

SURE. OKAY. LET ME HEAR FROM THE SPEAKERS AND THEN WE MAY CALL YOU BACK UP.

OKAY. OUR FIRST SPEAKER IS BRANT EHMKE.

GOOD EVENING, MAYOR, CITY COUNCIL. IT'S BEEN FOUR YEARS SINCE I'VE BEEN WORKING ON THIS.

I FOLLOWED THE STREAM BANK EROSION PROGRAM FOR FOR THOSE FOUR YEARS.

AND I APPRECIATE THE CITY'S EFFORTS TO IDENTIFY THE CRITICAL EROSION LOCATIONS AND DEVELOP A PROGRAM TO FINALLY ADDRESS THESE SITES.

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THE STORMWATER EVENTUALLY FLOWS INTO THE PLANO NATURAL CREEKS, WHICH CARRY THE COMBINED WATER RUNOFF FROM PROPERTIES THROUGHOUT THE WATERSHEDS.

THESE NATURAL CREEKS EXISTED LONG BEFORE THE CITY OF PLANO.

IT IS THE DEVELOPMENT THROUGHOUT PLANO THAT'S INCREASED THE STORMWATER RUNOFF AND PEAK FLOWS DURING THE RAIN EVENTS, CONTRIBUTING TO THE ACCELERATED STREAM BANK EROSION.

IT'S NOT SIMPLY CAUSED BY WHO HAPPENS TO OWN THAT PROPERTY AND WHERE IT'S LOCATED.

YET THE PROPOSED POLICY WOULD REQUIRE SOME PROPERTY OWNERS TO CONTRIBUTE TOWARD MAJOR EROSION REMEDIATION, WHILE OTHERS WOULD HAVE THEIRS FUNDED ENTIRELY BY THE CITY.

IN OUR HOA ONE BANK OF THE CREEK IS PRIVATELY OWNED, WHILE THE OPPOSITE SIDE IS CITY OWNED.

BOTH BANKS EXPERIENCED THE SAME STORM WATER FLOW AND EROSION.

THE WATER DOESN'T KNOW WHO OWNS THE BANK. YET UNDER THE PROPOSED POLICY, OWNERSHIP DETERMINED DETERMINES WHO PAYS FOR THAT STABILIZATION.

SAME CREEK, SAME WATER, SAME EROSION, DIFFERENT FINANCIAL RESPONSIBILITY.

THE FAIREST AND MOST CONSISTENT APPROACH IS TO FUND MAJOR STREAMBANK STABILIZATION THROUGH THE CITY'S DRAINAGE UTILITY, WHERE EVERY PROPERTY OWNER CONTRIBUTES TO THE MAINTENANCE OF STORMWATER INFRASTRUCTURE, INCLUDING NATURAL CREEKS THAT CARRY THAT WATER RUNOFF FROM THROUGHOUT THE CITY.

I RESPECTFULLY ASK THE COUNCIL TO CONSIDER AN ALTERNATIVE TO THE COST SHARING POLICY PROPOSED BY CITY STAFF, ONE THAT FUNDS ALL MAJOR STREAMBANK STABILIZATION THROUGH THE EXISTING DRAINAGE UTILITY.

THANK YOU, AND I HOPE I DON'T HAVE TO COME UP HERE ANOTHER FOUR YEARS FROM NOW.

THANK YOU. OUR NEXT SPEAKER IS ABRAM BASHAM.

GOOD EVENING, MAYOR AND COUNCIL MEMBERS. THANK YOU FOR THE TIME AND THE ACTIVE CONVERSATION EARLIER.

I'VE BEEN IN THE PLANO AREA FOR 20 YEARS. NATIVE TEXAN.

I LIVE AT 3101 ROYAL ASHDOWN. I AM ON THE 18TH HOLE OF PRESTONWOOD HILLS GOLF COURSE.

SOME OF YOU HAVE BEEN OUT TO OUR SITE. SEVERAL ENGINEERING TEAMS HAVE COME OUT AND ACTUALLY WALKED THAT WITH ME.

BOB, THANK YOU FOR COMING OUT AS WELL. YOU KNOW, THERE IS A CAVERN BEHIND OUR HOUSE WHERE THE CREEK IS AND THE EROSION.

SO YOU GUYS MENTIONED EARLIER ABOUT THE GOLF COURSE OWNING SOME OF THOSE FEES.

MY MAIN CONCERN IS IF WE'RE ASKING THEM TO PAY 50% OF THOSE FEES, WHAT IF THEY DECIDE NOT TO DO THAT? RIGHT. THERE'S NOT JUST MY HOUSE ASSOCIATED. MY HOUSE IS ACTUALLY DIRECTLY ALIGNED WITH THAT PROPERTY IN THAT, IN THAT CULVERT. BUT WHAT IF THEY DECIDE NOT TO MOVE FORWARD? ARE THEY GOING TO ACCEPT THOSE RESPONSIBILITIES AS PART OF THE, THE CITY'S FOR PAYMENT? AND I KNOW YOU MENTIONED EARLIER SOME OF THE PLOT LANGUAGE, WHICH IS ALSO CONCERNING AS A CITIZEN, DEPENDING ON WHO HAS THE LEGAL RIGHT OR RESPONSIBILITY FOR THAT.

TALKING WITH THE CITY PRIOR DOES FEEL LIKE THE RESPONSIBILITY IS ON THE GOLF COURSE FOR THAT FLOODPLAIN.

BUT THAT'S A CONCERN FOR ME IF THE GOLF COURSE DECIDES NOT TO MOVE FORWARD AND HELP SUPPORT THAT, THAT WORK THE AREA. WE, SO QUICK STORY. WHEN I MOVED IN THERE IN 2019, I HAD NO IDEA ABOUT STREAMBANK EROSION.

I NEVER THOUGHT ABOUT IT, NEVER CROSSED MY MIND. RIGHT.

FIRST DAY WE GOT A BIG RAINSTORM. THERE'S THE COLORADO RIVER ACROSS THE 18TH HOLE, AND I'M WATCHING THAT WATER AND I'M THINKING, OH, THAT'S KIND OF COOL. THERE'S A RIVER BEHIND OUR HOUSE, YOU KNOW, SIX YEARS LATER, IT'S A BIG ISSUE.

AND I THINK THERE'S A LOT OF NEIGHBORS THAT I'VE SPOKEN TO THAT HAVE NO IDEA THIS IS A PROBLEM. RIGHT? SO WE'RE STARTING TO TALK ABOUT WITH THOSE NEIGHBORS SO THEY GET A BETTER UNDERSTANDING OF LIKE THE LONG TERM CONSEQUENCES AND OUR PROPERTY VALUES POTENTIALLY BEING IMPACTED BY THAT. SO I THINK THERE'S GOING TO BE A LOT MORE VOICE COMING ON THIS AS MORE OF OUR NEIGHBORS ARE GETTING AWARE OF THIS PROBLEM.

SO IF WE LOOK AT THE DRAINAGE FEES THAT WERE MENTIONED EARLIER, YOU KNOW, WE PAY FOR THAT.

AND THE STORMWATER HAS INCREASED SO MUCH OVER THE LAST 20 YEARS.

I CAN GO BACK AND LOOK AT GOOGLE EARTH IMAGES OF MY CREEK AND WHERE OUR PROPERTY LINE, AND THAT'S COME BACK FROM 26FT DOWN TO ABOUT 15FT FROM THE HOUSE, RIGHT. SO YOU CAN EASILY SEE THE DEVASTATION THAT'S HAPPENED OVER THAT TIME PERIOD.

RIGHT? SO I ASK THAT BECAUSE THE UPPER FLOW WATER IS COMING FROM THE MAIN CITY AND ALL THE GROWTH IN PLANO, WHICH IS GREAT LIVING IN PLANO. BUT THAT GROWTH HAS CONTRIBUTED TO THAT DIRECTLY TO THAT DAMAGE. SO I THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME AND APPRECIATE THE EFFORTS ON THIS.

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GOOD EVENING, MAYOR AND COUNCIL MEMBERS. MY NAME IS SHERRY ROSE, AND I HAVE LIVED AT 6652 CASTLE PINES DRIVE IN PLANO FOR 28 YEARS.

MY PROPERTY IS ADJACENT TO ONE OF THE THREE LOCATIONS ALONG THE GOLF COURSE THAT THE CITY HAS IDENTIFIED AS CRITICAL STREAMBANK EROSION.

MY HOME SITS ABOVE THE CREEK, WITH THE PROPERTY LINE BEGINNING AT A STEEP SLOPE DESCENDING TOWARD THE WATER.

AS THE CREEK BANK CONTINUES TO ERODE, THE SLOPE IS BEING UNDERMINED, AFFECTING MY BACKYARD.

MY DECK IS NO LONGER LEVEL AS THE GROUND CONTINUES TO SHIFT, BUT BENEATH THE CREEK.

THIS IS NOT JUST A CONCERN ABOUT WHAT MIGHT HAPPEN SOMEDAY.

WE ARE ALREADY SEEING THE EFFECTS OF EROSION ON OUR PROPERTIES.

AT MY NEIGHBOR'S HOME, EROSION HAS PROGRESSED TO THE POINT THAT SOIL BENEATH HIS CONCRETE DECK IS BEING WASHED AWAY, UNDERMINING THE STRUCTURES. HE HAS ALREADY MADE NUMEROUS REPAIRS TO A GREAT EXPENSE.

I APPRECIATE THE CITY'S EFFORTS TO IDENTIFY THESE CRITICAL EROSION LOCATIONS AND DEVELOP A PLAN TO ADDRESS THEM.

HOWEVER, I AM CONCERNED ABOUT THE PROPOSED FUNDING POLICY, WHICH WOULD REQUIRE THE GOLF COURSE TO CONTRIBUTE 50% OF THE STABILIZATION COSTS.

OVER THE LAST 28 YEARS, THEY HAVE NOT BEEN RECEPTIVE TO DOING MUCH WORK BACK THERE.

THERE IS A SIGNIFICANT DIFFERENCE IN THE SEVERITY OF THE IMPACT WHILE THE EROSION IS OCCURRING, IS OCCURRING ON THE GOLF COURSE. IT IS PRIMARILY AFFECTING THE CREEK BANKS, NOT THE AREAS WHERE THE GOLF IS PLAYED.

THE GOLF COURSE CAN CONTINUE TO OPERATE WHILE THE EROSION THREATENS THE BACKYARDS AND POTENTIALLY THE HOMES OF ADJACENT HOMEOWNERS.

THE CONSEQUENCES AND URGENCY ARE SIMPLY NOT THE SAME.

YET UNDER THE PROPOSED POLICY, PROTECTING OUR HOMES COULD DEPEND ON THE GOLF COURSE AGREEING TO PAY THE STABILIZATION COSTS.

NEITHER WE AS HOMEOWNERS NOR THE GOLF COURSE CREATED THE STONEWATER STORM WATER RUNOFF FLOWING THROUGH THESE CREEKS.

IT IS THE ACCUMULATED RUNOFF FROM DEVELOPMENT THROUGHOUT THE WATERSHED.

MY CONCERN IS THAT THE CITY HAS IDENTIFIED THESE LOCATIONS AS CRITICAL, BUT THE PROPOSED COST SHARING POLICY COULD PREVENT THE NECESSARY WORK FROM MOVING FORWARD.

I ASK THE COUNCIL TO ESTABLISH A FUNDING APPROACH THAT ALLOWS THESE CRITICAL EROSION SITES TO BE STABILIZED, WITHOUT BECOMING TIED UP IN DISPUTES OVER WHO PAYS.

THANK YOU FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION. THANK YOU. ANY MORE? SO WE, WE HAVE PROBABLY A LOT TO CONSIDER HERE.

WE HAVE THE COST SHARING ISSUE, WHETHER IT BE A FLAT FEE OR WHETHER IT BE A PERCENTAGE OR WHETHER IT NOT BE USED WHATSOEVER.

AND THEN THE COMMERCIAL ASPECT OF THEIR RESPONSIBILITY AND POSSIBLY THEIR UNWILLINGNESS TO PARTICIPATE AND, AND WHAT, WHAT OUR OPTIONS ARE THERE.

SO I THINK, I THINK WE'RE GOING TO NEED TO KIND OF EXPLORE THOSE THINGS BEFORE WE KIND OF MOVE INTO DIRECTION.

CALEB, I DON'T KNOW ABOUT THE REST OF YOU, BUT I, I THINK IT'S, IT'S CRITICAL TO BE ABLE TO KIND OF UNDERSTAND WHAT OUR OPTIONS ARE ON, ON COST SHARING, WHETHER IT BE ZERO OR, OR PERCENTAGE OR A FLAT FEE.

AND THEN WHETHER HOW THE COMMERCIAL PARTICIPATION WILL WORK AS WELL.

YEAH. ALONG THOSE SAME LINES, I'D LIKE TO KNOW WHAT THE IMPACT WOULD BE ON THE DRAINAGE FEE.

YOU KNOW, IF WE WERE TO CONSIDER THAT AS THE SOURCE FOR RECOVERY, DOES THAT TO UNDERSTAND IT? SO COUNCILMAN, MY QUESTION ON THE DRAINAGE FEE WOULD BE THAT ARE WE GOING TO REQUIRE EASEMENTS AND OR OWNERSHIP? BECAUSE THAT'S AN ADDITIONAL COST FEE PROCESS IF THE CITY IS PAYING FOR IT.

TRADITIONALLY, WHAT WE HAVE SAID IS THAT FOR THOSE SORTS OF THINGS, WE HAVE AT LEAST AT MINIMUM, AN EASEMENT TO BE ABLE TO DO THAT. SO MY MY FOLLOW UP QUESTION WOULD BE IS ARE WE PARING THOSE THINGS TOGETHER? BECAUSE TO DISCONNECT IT AND TO DO THAT MEANS THAT WE'RE MAKING IMPROVEMENTS ON PRIVATE PROPERTY IN SOME CASES WHERE THE PLAT EXPLICITLY, IN SOME CASES WILL SAY THAT THEY HAVE THE MAINTENANCE REQUIREMENT, WHICH IN SOME WAYS CAN PUT US AT RISK FROM A PRECEDENT PERSPECTIVE.

WELL SINCE YOU PUT IT THAT WAY, LET ME THINK ABOUT THAT SOME MORE.

I MEAN, IT DEFINITELY, DEFINITELY GIVES ME A LOT TO THINK ABOUT BECAUSE I THINK THERE'S, THERE'S A LOT, A LOT AT RISK HERE.

COMPLETELY UNDERSTAND IT. AGAIN, IF IT WAS UNIFORM IT WOULD BE A MORE STRAIGHTFORWARD ANSWER.

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WE WE ACTUALLY, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE EXPLORE AFTER WE DECIDED THAT, NO, WE'RE GOING TO, WE'RE THE CITY IS GOING TO BE RESPONSIBLE FOR A LOT OF THE CRITICAL REPAIRS.

WELL, WHERE IS THE MONEY COMING FROM? AND WE STARTED EXPLORING.

DO WE WANT TO OWN IT OR DO WE NOT WANT TO OWN IT? IF WE OWN IT, DO WE WANT TO PAY FOR IT FOR THE REST? THE REST OF THE I MEAN, THE EXISTENCE OF THE OF THE STREAM.

SO I THINK THERE'S I'M. I'M SORRY. CALEB. I'M SORRY.

IT WAS A BIG, I REMEMBER IT WAS A BIG BIG PROJECT.

TO SAY TO, YOU KNOW, TO SAY THE LEAST THAT REALLY TRY TO TIE EVERYTHING TOGETHER BETWEEN THE CITY OWNED AND THE PRIVATE OWNED AND THE PRIVATE OWNED BEING PART OF HOA OWNED AND THEN PART OF CORPORATION OWNED, AND THEN HAVING SOMETHING THAT'S UNIFORMLY BEING COULD BE APPLIED TO THE ENTIRE CITY THAT WILL NOT APPEAR TO BE, I GUESS, PUTTING A DISADVANTAGE FOR THOSE PEOPLE WHO DON'T HAVE A BENEFIT TO THE STREAM.

SO I APPRECIATE ALL THE WORK. AND OBVIOUSLY, WE'RE GOING TO BE DISCUSSING ABOUT THIS FOR A FEW MORE MONTHS.

SO, YOU KNOW, LIKE I SAID, I DO APPRECIATE THE THE SOLUTION THOUGH.

I THINK THAT IS IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION. CAN I ASK ONE CLARIFYING QUESTION BY IF WE BROUGHT THIS BACK, SAY, IN EARLY DECEMBER, DOES THIS DELAY ANY PROJECTS OR ANY ANY ISSUES BY DELAYING THIS A COUPLE OF MONTHS? NO, NOT NOT DIRECTLY. WE'VE STARTED THE FOUR PROJECTS FROM A WORKLOAD CAPACITY.

THAT'S GOING TO BE ABOUT THE MAX THAT OUR STAFF CAN ADDRESS.

OKAY. PUBLIC WORKS IS ALREADY MOVING FORWARD WITH THOSE MAINTENANCE LOCATIONS.

SO NOT DIRECTLY YET. DEPUTY MAYOR, THANK YOU MAYOR, AND YOU ALL KNOW ME BY NOW.

I'M ALWAYS LOOKING AT THE FINANCES AND THE BUDGETS AND STAYING WITHIN COSTS. BUT HONESTLY, THESE PROJECTS DON'T NECESSARILY START AND END WITHIN CITY BOUNDARIES.

IS THERE A WAY WE CAN LOOK AT MAYBE AT STATE LEVEL FUNDING? MAYBE IT'S MY QUESTION.

MAYBE STATE LEVEL FUNDING OR COUNTY LEVEL FUNDING TO SEE AND THEN APPLY THOSE FUNDS TOWARDS THE STREAM BANK, BECAUSE THERE'S GROWTH ALL OVER THIS COUNTY AS WELL.

THAT'S A GREAT QUESTION. AND MAYBE THAT'S LOOKING AT ME LIKE, NO, NO, NO, BUT MAYBE WE COULD BE.

I THINK IT'S A GREAT IDEA. WE COULD HAVE A DISCUSSION WITH THE COG POSSIBLY ABOUT MAYBE SOME SOME FUNDING AND GRANTS THERE.

SO WE'RE HAPPY FOR SURE. HAPPY TO DO HOMEWORK ON THAT ONE. AND ONE OF THE OTHER THINGS WE'RE LOOKING AT IS THE TEXAS WATER DEVELOPMENT BOARD AS WELL IS FOR POTENTIAL FUNDING SOURCES. SO LET'S LOOK AT OTHER FUNDING SOURCES. AND THEN LET'S ALSO EVALUATE THIS ASPECT AS WELL TOO. BUT I STILL BELIEVE THERE SHOULD BE SOME SKIN IN THE GAME ASPECT. SO.

COUNCIL MEMBER LAVINE. YOU KNOW, I, I'M THINKING BACK TO WHAT THE CITIZEN'S COMMENT ABOUT THEIR PROPERTY HAS BEEN SHRINKING. AND I'M WONDERING IN, IN FIXING THAT PARTICULAR PROBLEM, WOULD WE BE RESTORING THE PROPERTY? IN OTHER WORDS, WOULD WE WOULD BE FILLING IN THE LAND SO THAT IT WAS YOU KNOW, CLOSER TO THE ORIGINAL POINT. OR WOULD THAT NOT BE A GOAL OF THE REMEDIATION OR PROBLEM? YEAH, I THINK IT REALLY WILL COME DOWN TO IT'S PRIVATE PROPERTY.

SO, AND ESPECIALLY, I THINK IN ONE OF THE CASES THAT WAS BROUGHT UP, IT'S PRIVATE PROPERTY BETWEEN TWO PRIVATE PROPERTY OWNERS.

THE CITY WILL HAVE A DRAINAGE EASEMENT, BUT THE, THE LANGUAGE IS FAIRLY CLEAR IN SOME OF THOSE CASES.

SO I THINK THAT'S THE BIGGEST HURDLE THAT WE'VE BEEN WORKING WITH LEGAL IS TO GET PAST.

SO MARK, CAN WE CAN WE KIND OF LOOK INTO SOME OF THESE ITEMS THAT WE'VE ABSOLUTELY SUGGESTED WE PLAN ON BRINGING IT BACK EARLY, EARLY DECEMBER. SOME OF THESE ANSWERS HERE IN THE NEXT FEW WEEKS, WE'LL BRING SOME OPTIONS.

THANK YOU. OKAY. THANK YOU. THANKS, CALEB. THERE BEING NO FURTHER BUSINESS. WE'RE ADJOURNED.

* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.