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AWARE.[CALL TO ORDER ]
GONNA, WE'RE GONNA MOVE ON TO OUR REGULAR MEETING,DID YOU TURN THIS BACK ON? I KNOW.
WE HAD TO REBOOT THE COMPUTER, SO GIMME ONE EXTRA MINUTE,
I NOW DECLARE THAT THE PLANO CITY COUNCIL IS RECONVENED IN THE OPEN SESSION THAT ALL MEMBERS ARE PRESENT.
WE'LL BEGIN TONIGHT'S REGULAR MEETING WITH THE INVOCATION LED BY PASTOR TRACY EBARB WITH FIRST PRESBYTERIAN CHURCH AND THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE IN TEXAS PLEDGE LED BY THE PLANO SENIOR STUDENT COUNCIL.
WE ARE SO PROUD TO HAVE YOU GUYS.
WOULD YOU ALL PLEASE RISE? YES.
GRACIOUS GOD, WE GATHER WITH GRATITUDE FOR THE PEOPLE OF PLANO AND FOR THE PRIVILEGE AND RESPONSIBILITY OF PUBLIC SERVICE.
GIVE THIS COUNCIL WISDOM TO LISTEN CAREFULLY.
HUMILITY, TO RECOGNIZE WHAT THEY DO NOT KNOW, AND THE COURAGE TO DO WHAT IS RIGHT.
THOSE WHOSE NEEDS ARE EASILY OVERLOOKED.
NEIGHBORS WHO STRUGGLE TO MAKE ENDS MEET FAMILIES CARRYING GRIEF, AND PEOPLE WHO WONDER WHETHER THEIR VOICES MATTER.
AND EMPOWER ALL THOSE WHO INVEST IN THE COMMON GOOD.
MAY MERCY SHAPE OUR JUDGMENTS, INTEGRITY.
GUIDE OUR DECISIONS AND A HUNGER FOR JUSTICE.
TEACH US TO MAKE PEACE THROUGH HONEST CONVERSATION, MUTUAL RESPECT AND PATIENT WORK.
BLESS OUR MAYOR, OUR COUNCIL MEMBERS, OUR CITY STAFF, OUR FIRST RESPONDERS, AND ALL WHO SERVE THIS COMMUNITY.
MAY THE WORK DONE HERE TONIGHT HELP PLANO BECOME A PLACE WHERE EVERY NEIGHBOR IS TREATED WITH DIGNITY AND HAS AN OPPORTUNITY TO FLOURISH.
I PLEDGE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA AND TO REPUBLIC FOR WHICH STANDS? ONE NATION UNDER GOD IN INDIVISIBLE WITH LIBERTY FOR ALL HONOR.
HOW ARE YOU? HOW ARE YOU? GOOD.
I'M, DO YOU GUYS KNOW I'M A WILDCAT TOO? THERE ONCE WAS A SCHOOL BACK THEN.
THIS IS MY LITTLE TOKEN FOR YOU GUYS.
YOU GUYS HAVE TO TAKE A PICTURE.
DID IT WORK? YOU CAN GRAB MY PHONE OUTTA MY PURSE.
PUT YOUR ARM AROUND YOU, YOUR HONOR.
DO WHAT YOU NEED ONE MORE? YES.
[(p1) 26-928 Proclamation: October is Code Enforcement Month, and the City of Plano has achieved Five-Star Accreditation from the American Association of Code Enforcement.]
OKAY, SO WE HAVE A ONE, UH, PROCLAMATION TO CELEBRATE.SO, UH, I'D LIKE TO CALL FORWARD CURTIS HOWARD, DIRECTOR OF OUR NEIGHBORHOOD SERVICES, SCOTT LUCIA FROM PROPERTY STANDARDS MANAGER AND NEIGHBORHOOD SERVICES STAFF IN ATTENDANCE.
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SO, UH, WE'RE CELEBRATING NATIONAL CODE COMPLIANCE MONTH AMERICAN ASSOCIATION OF CODE CODE ENFORCEMENT ACCREDITATION, WHICH YOU GUYS HAVE AN, UH, HAVE BEEN HONORED WITH THE AMERICAN ASSOCIATED OF CODE ENFORCEMENT ACCREDITATION.SO, CONGRATULATIONS THERE AND I'LL READ THIS PROCLAMATION.
WHEREAS CODE ENFORCEMENT OFFICERS AND PROFESSIONALS PLAY AN ESSENTIAL ROLE IN PROTECTING THE HEALTH, SAFETY, AND WELFARE OF RESIDENTS AND BUSINESSES THROUGHOUT THE ENFORCEMENT OF LOCAL CODES AND ORDINANCES, ADDRESSING BUILDING, ZONING, HOUSING, PROPERTY MAINTENANCE, ENVIRONMENTAL AND LIFE SAFETY CONCERNS.
WHEREAS THE CITY OF PLANO PROPERTY STANDARDS DIVISION HAS ACHIEVED A FIVE STAR ACCREDITATION RIGHT THERE.
PROOF AND FROM THE AMERICAN ASSOCIATION OF CODE ENFORCEMENT BECOMING THE FIRST CITY IN THE NATION TO RECEIVE THIS PRESTIGIOUS FIVE STAR ACCREDITATION DESIGNATION, RECOGNIZING THE DIVISION'S COMMITMENT TO PROFESSIONAL STANDARDS, ACCOUNTABILITY, EFFECTIVE PRACTICES, AND EXCELLENCE IN CODE COMPLIANCE.
WHEREAS THIS HISTORIC ACHIEVEMENT REFLECTS THE DEDICATION, PROFESSIONALISM, KNOWLEDGE, AND COMMITMENT TO PROPERTY STANDARDS, DIVISION EMPLOYEES WHO WORK EACH DAY TO SERVE PLANO RESIDENTS AND BUSINESSES TO PROMOTE SAFE, WELL MAINTAINED AND THRIVING NEIGHBORHOODS.
NOW, THEREFORE, I JOHN MUS, MAYOR OF THE CITY OF PLANO, TEXAS DO HEREBY PROCLAIM OCTOBER IS NATIONAL CODE COMPLIANCE MONTH IN PLANO.
AND I DO THEREBY ENCOURAGE ALL CITIZENS TO JOIN ME IN THE PLANO CITY COUNCIL IN RECOGNIZING THE ACCOMPLISHMENTS OF THE PROPERTY STANDARDS DIVISION.
AND ITS FIVE STAR ACCREDITATION AS A REFLECTION OF PLAINTIFF'S COMMITMENT TO PROFESSIONAL EXCELLENCE AND OUTSTANDING SERVICE, WHICH CONTRIBUTE TO THE EXCEPTIONAL QUALITY OF LIFE FOUND IN THE CITY OF EXCELLENCE.
SO, UH, I, I I'M PLEASED TO TAKE THIS OPPORTUNITY TO CELEBRATE CODE COMPLIANCE MONTH HERE, UH, ESPECIALLY WITH OUR PROPERTY STANDARDS DIVISION.
UH, THESE GUYS DO A GREAT JOB IN MAKING SURE THAT, UH, OUR NEIGHBORHOODS AND, AND BUSINESSES REMAIN WONDERFUL PLACES FOR CITIZENS, UH, OF THE CITY OF PLANO TO, UH, TO WORK, PLAY, AND THRIVE.
AND, AND ALL THAT HARD WORK AND DEDICATION IS ACKNOWLEDGED BY THE FACT THAT THE AMERICAN ASSOCIATION OF CODE ENFORCEMENT HAS, HAS, UH, ACKNOWLEDGED THIS AND GIVEN THEM A FIVE STAR RATING.
THE FIRST IN THE NATION, THE FIRST, UH, ORGANIZATION, THE NATION, TO GET THAT FIVE STAR RATING, WHICH JUST SHOWS THEIR THEIR LEVEL OF COMMITMENT.
SO PLEASE CONGRATULATE THEM AND ALL THE HARD WORK THEY DO.
[CONSENT AGENDA]
LET'S MOVE ON TO THE CONSENT AGENDA.ARE THERE ANY ITEMS A COUNCIL MEMBER WOULD LIKE TO REMOVE? LET'S MOVE THE CONSENT AGENDA.
THE CONSENT AGENDA WILL BE ACTED UPON IN ONE MOTION AND CONTAINS ITEMS WHICH ARE ROUTINE.
AND TYPICALLY NON-CONTROVERSIAL ITEMS MAY BE REMOVED FROM THIS AGENDA FOR INDIVIDUAL DISCUSSION BY A COUNCIL MEMBER, THE CITY MANAGER, OR ANY CITIZEN.
THE PRESIDING OFFICER WILL ESTABLISH TIME LIMITS BASED UPON THE NUMBER OF SPEAKER REQUESTS.
WE APPROVE THE CONSENT AGENDA AS PRESENTED.
AND I SECOND SO I HAVE A MOTION TO SECOND TO APPROVE THE CONSENT AGENDA, PLEASE VOTE.
SO LET'S GO BACK TO THE PLANO AQUATIC CENTER SPEAKERS.
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WE CAN, THERE WE GO.MK, YOU'RE, YOU'RE NOT, YOU'RE NOT FIRST.
OUR FIRST SPEAKER IS CHRIS STEVENSON.
HELLO, MS. HELLO, MR. MAYOR AND CITY COUNCIL.
UM, THANK YOU FOR LETTING ME SPEAK.
UM, I'VE BEEN A, MY NAME IS CHRIS STEVENSON.
I'VE BEEN A RESIDENT OF PLANO SINCE 1989.
UM, MET MY HUSBAND HERE AND WE'VE RAISED FOUR CHILDREN WHO ARE NOW ALL YOUNG ADULTS.
UH, WE'VE ALL BEEN IN CENTRAL PLANO THAT TIME.
MY CONCERNS WITH THE PSA HAVE BEEN, I'VE ONLY BEEN DOING AEROBICS THERE FOR ABOUT TWO YEARS, SO I'M NOT ONE OF THE LONGEST MEMBERS, BUT IT IS THE ONLY TYPE OF EXERCISE I'VE EVER STUCK WITH.
AND PART OF THE REASON THAT I'VE STUCK WITH IT IS BECAUSE IT'S ONLY 10 MINUTES FROM MY HOUSE.
I LIVE NEAR LIBERTY AND DURING THE SUMMERS, UM, I USE LIBERTY'S POOL NOT FOR AEROBICS.
IT'S NOT STRUCTURED WELL FOR THAT, BUT I DO SWIM THERE.
UH, BUT DRIVING AN EXTRA 20 MINUTES TO GET TO EITHER OAK POINT OR MULLEN, BECK HONESTLY PROBABLY WOULD DERAIL MY EXERCISE, WHICH MEANS I'M PROBABLY NOT VERY DISCIPLINED, BUT THAT'S WHAT IT IS.
UH, THE PAC, IT'S THE ONLY DEEP WATER INDOOR POOL IN CENTRAL, UM, CENTRAL PLANO.
IT'S ALSO THE ONLY POOL IN THE DISTRICT THAT HAS A RAMP ACCESS TO THE DEEP END.
SO YOU CAN GET, SO PEOPLE WHO STRUGGLE WALKING CAN GET, CAN PARTICIPATE IN DEEP WATER AEROBICS AND CAN USE THE ENTIRE POOL.
SOME OF THE OTHER POOLS DO HAVE RAMPS, BUT THEY CAN'T ACCESS THE ENTIRE POOL EASILY.
AND FOR MANY OF OUR AEROBICS PEOPLE, BUT IN ADDITION, A LOT OF COMMUNITY MEMBERS WHO USE THE POOL NEED THAT ACCESS 'CAUSE THEY STRUGGLE WALKING.
UM, SO THAT'S, THAT'S A BIG CONSIDERATION FROM A FINANCIAL PERSPECTIVE.
I HAVE, I'M, I'M GLAD YOU'RE TALKING TO, UH, PISD AND ALSO I HAVE THE, HAD THE SAME QUESTION.
WHY ARE WE COMPARING A POOL ONLY WITH REC CENTERS THAT HAVE A POOL PLUS THE REC CENTER? AND SINCE THE SAM JOHNSON IS A REC CENTER WITHOUT A POOL, ONE OF MY QUESTIONS IS, COULD YOU, FROM A BUDGET PERSPECTIVE, COMBINE SAM JOHNSON WITH THE PACK AND LOOK AT THOSE NUMBERS TOGETHER AND SEE HOW THEY COMPARE TO MULE AND BECKER ELK POINT, OR CARPENTER THAT HAVE, THAT HAVE BOTH? SO, UM, SO THAT'S, THAT'S MY CONCERN, OR THAT WAS MY QUESTION ON, YOU KNOW, FROM A FINANCIAL PERSPECTIVE, CAN WE, SINCE IT, ESPECIALLY SINCE IT'S MOSTLY SENIORS USING IT, UM, I ALSO TALKED TO A NUMBER OF FRIENDS AND ACQUAINTANCES WHO ARE NOT SECOND PART OF THE AEROBICS CLASS, AND THEY USE IT FOR THEIR LITTLE TINY KIDS AND THEY LIKE PLANO AQUATIC CENTER BECAUSE IT'S LESS ROWDY AND THEY DON'T GET KNOCKED OVER.
IT'S THE ONLY SPLASH PAD IN CENTRAL PLANO AS WELL FOR THE LITTLE ONES.
OUR NEXT SPEAKER IS BARBARA WHITEHEAD.
I GET NERVOUS TALKING TO GROUPS, SO IT'S JUST US.
UM, SOME OF MY, I JUST HEARD OPEN SWIM AS I CAME DOWN AND I'M HERE TO TALK ABOUT THE WATER AEROBICS PROGRAM.
I HAVE BEEN A PARTICIPANT FOR MANY YEARS.
AND JUST SO I DON'T GET TOO OFF TRACK, I ASSUME YOU GUYS HAVE THE, THE WRITEUP OF WHAT WE SUBMITTED THAT WE WERE GONNA SAY.
I WANT A SOLUTION TO THE WATER AEROBICS PROGRAM.
UH, I DON'T REALLY CARE HOW WE GET THERE, BUT I WANT A SOLUTION.
IT FEELS TO ME, AND IT SOUNDS LIKE WE'RE GETTING A LITTLE MORE SUPPORT SINCE WE'VE MADE SOME NOISE.
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UM, I WAS, I SAID THIS TO RON THIS MORNING.I PERSONALLY HAVE BEEN FEELING LIKE IT'S BEEN A DONE DECISION, UH, WAS JUST BEING THROWN AT US.
UH, AND IT WAS LIKE, WELL, I MEAN, I FEEL LIKE PARKS AND REC IS THE BOYFRIEND WHO'S ALREADY DUBBED ME, AND I'M LOOKING FOR ANOTHER DATE NOW TO GO TO THE PARTY.
I JUST WANT MY PROGRAM TO CONTINUE.
UM, IF YOU ALL ARE GONNA NEGOTIATE SOMETHING TO KEEP THAT GOING WITH PISD, GREAT.
IF YOU'RE GONNA KEEP THE WHOLE POOL OPEN, GREAT.
UM, ONE OF THE THINGS I WAS GONNA INDICATE IS I KNOW THAT THERE ARE SOMETIMES SOME OUTSIDE ENTITIES, LIKE COPS LEASES WATER SPACE FOR PEOPLE TO, TO DO KIDS TO DO LAPS.
MY DAUGHTER WAS ON COPS SWIMMING AT PACK 30 YEARS AGO.
UH, MY HUSBAND WAS ON THE BOARD OF COPS AND I KNOW THAT THERE'S ALWAYS AN INTEREST IN UTILIZING THE WATER SPACE BECAUSE IT'S VERY LIMITED.
UM, SO IF NOT YOU, I'M ASKING YOU TO FACILITATE SOME OTHER ENTITY THAT CAN COME TAKE ON OUR PROGRAM AND KEEP US IN THE WATER AS WE ARE.
'CAUSE WE'RE VERY HAPPY WITH IT.
IT WAS GOOD TO SEE, AND SOME OF THE MATERIALS THAT WE'RE EMAILED TO US THAT WITHOUT THE LIKE DEFICIT BUDGET RECOVERY THAT IS BEING SPREAD AROUND, UH, WE MAKE A PROFIT, IT'S LITTLE, BUT, YOU KNOW, WE COVER OUR EXPENSES, SO WE SHOULD BE AN ATTRACTIVE PROGRAM TO SOMEONE.
THERE IS NO POINT IN HAVING EMPTY LANES AND EMPTY WATER.
UH, WE DO PAY TOWARDS THE BUILDING USAGE AND SUCH.
SO THAT WAS MY BIG, UH, MY BIG POINT IS WHATEVER YOU DO, KEEP THE PROGRAM GOING.
UM, IT WAS A LITTLE BIT OFFENSIVE THE WAY THINGS WERE ROLLED OUT AND THROWN AT US.
UH, THE FACT IS, EACH AND EVERY ONE OF US IN THE PROGRAM AT PAC, WE HAVE ALREADY REJECTED THESE OTHER FACILITIES.
WE HAVE ALREADY SAID, NO, WE NEED TO BE AT PAC AND WE WANT TO STAY THERE.
THAT'S THE BASIC OF IT, BUT I DON'T SEE WHY THIS CAN'T WORK.
UM, I WOULD LIKE TO GET WHAT I WANNA HEAR FROM YOU, NOT RIGHT NOW, I GUESS, BUT THAT THE PROGRAM WILL SURVIVE.
THAT THOSE PA THAT THE WATER AEROBICS PROGRAM WILL CONTINUE ONE WAY OR ANOTHER.
UM, IT'S NOT ENOUGH JUST TO SAY, OH, YOU'RE A COMMUNITY AND WE CARE.
I JUST REALLY WANNA THANK THE MAYOR AND ALL THE COUNCIL MEMBERS FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION FOR READING WHAT APPARENTLY WERE AND AWFUL LOT OF EMAILS AND TEXTS AND, UH, VOICE MESSAGES.
I FEEL LIKE THIS, THIS IS WHAT THE CITY OF EXCELLENCE MEANS, IS THAT YOU AS OUR LEADERSHIP ARE LISTENING TO THE CITIZENS, LISTENING TO OUR CONCERNS AND ADDRESSING THOSE IN AN EFFECTIVE WAY.
UM, I'VE, I KIND OF HAD THE NOTION THOUGH, UH, TODAY AND COMING HERE TONIGHT OF THINGS THAT I USED TO SAY TO MY KIDS, LIKE, DON'T MAKE ME COME DOWN THERE.
AND I THINK, YOU KNOW, IF, IF WE CAN DO THE SAME THING THAT THE WATER DISTRICT WAS TALKING ABOUT, TO REWIND ON WHAT HAS HAPPENED WITH THIS, PRETTY MUCH FAILED ROLLOUT OF TRYING TO, UH, WHICH DIDN'T SEEM VERY TRANSPARENT, DIDN'T HAVE VERY GOOD COMMUNICATION WITH THE STAKEHOLDERS.
AND, UH, IF, IF WE CAN, YOU KNOW, HAVE A PROMISE OF BETTER COMMUNICATION GOING FORWARD.
UH, YOU KNOW, MY BIGGEST QUESTION IN THE TWO WEEKS SINCE I LAST SPOKE TO Y'ALL WAS, YOU KNOW, THERE'S LOTS OF FACILITY SHARING WITH PISD AND WHY THAT DIDN'T HAPPEN UPFRONT IN THIS PROCESS AND WHY IT ONLY HAD TO HAPPEN BECAUSE OF CITIZENS INITIATING SO MANY QUESTIONS.
AND, YOU KNOW, FRANKLY, YOU KNOW, PRETTY MUCH STOMPING OUR FEET ON THIS WHOLE THING.
I DON'T THINK ANYONE, YOU KNOW, ALL OF US WANTED TO BE HOME WATCHING THE SERIES OR, YOU KNOW, DOING SOMETHING ELSE TONIGHT AND NOT KEEPING YOU HERE LONGER.
THANK YOU, THANK YOU, THANK YOU FROM THE BOTTOM OF OUR HEARTS.
AND, YOU KNOW, WE ALL HAD A REALLY EXCITING TIME SEEING EACH OTHER IN CLOTHES.
IT'S COMING HERE BECAUSE WE ALWAYS ARE IN BATHING SUITS AND, YOU KNOW, WITH BED HEAD STUFF IN THE MORNING AND EVERYTHING.
SO SHOUT OUT TO EVERYBODY LOOKS REALLY GREAT TONIGHT.
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OUR LAST SPEAKER IS CHRISTINE RISTO.UM, I AM CHRISTINE OW, HAVE BEEN A PLANO RESIDENT FOR OVER 38 YEARS, AND THEREFORE A-P-I-S-D AND CITY OF PLANO TAXPAYER AS WELL.
UM, THIS ISN'T WHAT I WANTED TO SAY, BUT I DO WANT TO ADD RIGHT NOW A THANK YOU TO RON FOR COMING THIS MORNING TO PLANO AQUATIC CENTER AND LETTING US AS THE STAKEHOLDERS ASK HIM A LOT OF QUESTIONS.
SINCE THIS WHOLE EPISODE OF PAC CLOSING IN AUGUST WAS A TOTAL SURPRISE TO ALL OF US.
WE DIDN'T KNOW ABOUT IT UNTIL ONE OF OUR SWIMMING COMPANIONS.
LET US KNOW WHAT HAD HAPPENED AT THE LAST COUNCIL MEETING.
SO WHEN RON CAME THIS MORNING AND WE PRESENTED QUESTIONS TO HIM, WHICH APPARENTLY HE DID TAKE TO HEART BASED ON THE THINGS HE SAID IN HIS PRESENTATION, I REALLY APPRECIATE THAT HE DID LISTEN TO US AND LOOK BEYOND JUST THE NUMBERS.
WHAT I WAS GOING TO ASK, AND I STILL WOULD LIKE TO ASK, IS, WHO AT PISD DO WE AS THE PARTICIPANTS, NEED TO EMAIL, TEXT AS WE DID WITH THE COUNCIL MEMBERS THAT WHO OBVIOUSLY PAID ATTENTION TO IT? WHO AT PISD, DO WE NEED TO DO THE SAME PROCEDURE WITH? WE HA WERE NEVER TOLD ABOUT ANY OF THE DISCUSSIONS THE CITY HAS HAD WITH PISD.
SO WE ARE KIND OF IN THE DARK ON THAT.
SO IF THAT IS INFORMATION THAT COULD BE RELAYED TO US, I WOULD APPRECIATE IT.
AND I THINK THE OTHER STAKEHOLDERS WOULD APPRECIATE IT AS WELL.
SO WE CAN BOMBARD PISD
UH, NEXT ITEM IS ITEM FOUR, STREAM BANK EROSION UPDATE.
YEAH, WELL, ANGELA'S GONNA BE HERE AS MY BACKUP JUST IN CASE.
AND I'VE GOT A WHOLE CREW HERE, SO YOU DO.
SOMETIMES IT DOES TAKE A VILLAGE.
SO, UH, CALEB THORNHILL, DIRECTOR OF ENGINEERING, WANTED TO TALK TONIGHT ABOUT OUR STREAM BANK PROTECTION PROGRAM AND ALSO TALK ABOUT, UH, POTENTIAL DIRECTION FOR A POLICY FOR THAT PROGRAM.
UH, SO AS WE GET STARTED, UH, JUST SOME STATISTICS.
I TALK ABOUT MY SMALL VILLAGE BEHIND ME, UH, BUT THEY HAVE BEEN INVOLVED WITH THE A HUNDRED AND TWENTY SEVEN, SEVEN MILES OF CREEK THAT WE HAVE WALKED AND SCORED AND ANALYZED WITH THE ASSISTANCE OF A CONSULTANT OF THAT WE, UH, HAVE ADDRESSED OR, UH, EVALUATED 3000 LOCATIONS THAT WE'VE IDENTIFIED FOR EROSION.
UH, AND THAT'S 3000 LOCATIONS, NOT HOMES OR PROPERTIES.
UH, SOME OF THOSE LOCATIONS INCLUDE MULTIPLE PROPERTIES ALONG THOSE STRETCHES.
UH, OF THE 3,646 SCORED BELOW A 60.
UH, AND OUR SCORING PROGRAM IS A ZERO TO A HUNDRED, ZERO BEING THE WORST, 100 BEING THE BEST.
SO OUT OF THE 3006 46, WE'RE BELOW THAT, UH, 60 SCORE.
AND THEN OF THE SIX HUNDRED AND FORTY, SIX FORTY TWO OF THOSE WERE CRITICAL.
NOW, SOME OF THESE NUMBERS WE SHOWED TO YOU GUYS IN JULY OF 2025, BUT I JUST WANTED TO PUT THIS UP AS A REMINDER, UM, THAT THE, UM, FROM THE STATISTICS.
SO THE PROGRAM ITSELF, UM, GOING BACK A LITTLE BIT FURTHER, I'LL GET TO THE JULY OF 2025.
BUT GOING BACK A LITTLE BIT FURTHER, THIS PROGRAM STARTED IN THE NINETIES.
UH, WE, IN COORDINATION WITH A COUPLE OTHER CITIES, DEVELOPED AN EROSION CONTROL MANUAL.
UH, WITH THAT, UH, WE STARTED A DRAINAGE FEE.
UH, AND THE ORIGINAL PROGRAM WAS COMPLAINT DRIVEN.
SO IF SOMEBODY CALLED US, WE WENT OUT AND DID AN EVALUATION.
WE HAD A FORM, UH, BASED ON OUR EVALUATION.
WE WOULD EITHER PUT THEM ON A LIST, WE WOULD START A PROJECT OR TELL THEM, AT THIS TIME, WE DON'T FEEL LIKE IT'S WARRANTED SOME OF THOSE LOCATIONS.
WE WOULD HAVE MULTIPLE CALLS OVER THE YEARS.
SO WE WOULD HAVE, UH, SEVERAL, UH, DIFFERENT EVALUATIONS OF EACH OF THOSE PROJECTS.
UH, IN 2019, WE HAD SOME MAJOR DRAINAGE, UH, INFRASTRUCTURE PROJECTS.
AND SO WE WENT TO EVALUATE INCREASING OUR DRAINAGE FEE.
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WE TALKED ABOUT OUR CREEKS.AND INSTEAD OF DOING A COMPLAINT BASED, UH, PROGRAM, WE WANTED TO LOOK AT A, A PROGRAM THAT WAS MORE OBJECTIVE, UH, AND THAT IDENTIFIED THE CRITICAL LOCATIONS THROUGHOUT THE CITY.
UH, SO IN 2022 IS WHEN WE STARTED THAT ASSESSMENT, UH, TOOK US THREE SEASONS TO WALK ALL 127 MILES.
AND THIS YEAR WE STARTED TO ROLL OUT SOME PRO, UM, SOME LOCATIONS, SOME, UH, CRITICAL LOCATIONS, UH, FOR IMPROVEMENTS.
AND YOU GUYS HAVE ACTUALLY ALREADY APPROVED A FEW OF THOSE AGENDA ITEMS. UH, BUT, UH, THE 2025, I WANTED TO BRING THAT UP.
WE BROUGHT THAT TO YOU GUYS IN JULY.
AND REALLY IT WAS THE, UH, RESULTS OF OUR STUDY.
AND WHAT WE GOT FROM YOU GUYS AT THAT TIME IS IF IT IS A CRITICAL LOCATION, WE WANT TO LOOK AT, UH, MAINTAINING THAT REGARDLESS OF WHAT THE PLAT SAYS.
UH, AND ALSO WE WANTED TO LOOK AT A COST SHARE OPPORTUNITY.
SO WE'VE TAKEN THE LAST YEAR OR SO, UH, TO EVALUATE THAT, UH, TO HAVE A BETTER, OR HAVE A PROGRAM THAT IS, UH, THAT WE CAN FOLLOW AND THAT IS OBJECTIVE FOR OUR CITIZENS.
UH, FUNNY ENOUGH, I FOUND OUT FROM MY STAFF THIS DID NOT SCORE A CRITICAL, UH, BECAUSE IT WAS WALKED BEFORE IT FAILED.
SO THIS ONE ACTUALLY HAS FALLEN SINCE, UH, WE'VE DONE THE EVALUATION.
SO AS WE MOVE FORWARD, THE PROGRAM WILL INCLUDE ANOTHER WALK, UH, IN 2027, ABOUT FIVE YEARS AFTER WE DID THE FIRST ONE.
UH, BUT OBVIOUSLY THIS IS A, UH, A SITUATION WHERE A STRUCTURE HAS FAILED.
UM, IT'S GOT A LOT OF COMPONENTS, AND I'LL SHOW YOU A GRAPHIC.
IT'S KIND OF SIMILAR TO WHAT WE'VE SHOWN BEFORE.
UM, MOST OF OUR STREAMS ARE NOT, DO NOT LOOK LIKE AN OCEAN.
BUT, UM, WHAT WE LOOK AT WHEN WE DO A SCORING OF SOME OF THE QUESTIONS WE'VE HAD, UH, HOW DO WE EVALUATE SAFETY? HOW DO THEY ACHIEVE THOSE SCORES? SO HERE YOU'LL SEE A TYPICAL HOUSE BACKED UP TO A STREAM.
SOMETIMES THEY HAVE POOLS, FENCES, DECKS, ALL OF THOSE COMPONENTS ARE EVALUATED, UH, IF THE STREAM OR THE EROSION IS A THREAT TO ONE OF THOSE STRUCTURES.
NOW, IF IT'S A THREAT TO A HOUSE, IT'S GONNA GET A MUCH DIFFERENT SCORE THAN IF IT'S A THREAT TO A FENCE.
UH, OTHER COMPONENTS THAT WE LOOK AT IS THE CHANNEL ORIENTATION, IS THE EROSION OCCURRING ON THE OUTSIDE OF THE BEND ON THE INSIDE? ALL OF THESE HELP US EVALUATE THOSE SCORES AND ASSIGN THAT ZERO TO 100.
UH, AND AS WELL AS THE CHANCE OF FAILURE BASED ON A NUMBER OF THESE CONDITIONS.
UH, WE LOOK AT THE BANK HEIGHT.
THAT PREVIOUS PICTURE THAT YOU SAW, YOU COULD SEE THAT WAS UPWARDS OF 10, 12, 15 FEET TALL AND SEVEN LOCATIONS.
UH, WE'LL LOOK AT THE BANK STABILITY.
IS IT AN EXPOSED ROCK OR IS IT EXPOSED SOIL? UH, DOES IT HAVE TREE ROOTS HOLDING IT UP, OR IS IT JUST COMPLETELY BARE? UH, SO ALL OF THESE COMPONENTS AND THEN THE EROSION HAZARD, DOES IT LOOK LIKE WE'RE ABOUT TO HIT ROCK? AND IT'LL, THE EROSION WILL STOP.
ALL OF THESE WILL HELP US, UH, DEVELOP THAT SCORE, UH, FROM A ZERO TO A 100.
UM, FROM AN INDUSTRY STANDARDS PERSPECTIVE, UH, WE USE THE SAME CONSULTANT THAT RICHARDSON AND FRISCO HAS USED.
UH, WE'VE TAILORED SOME OF THE, UM, UH, ANALYTICS OR THE, THE NUMBERS TO WHAT WE FEEL LIKE PLANO.
WE USE SOME OF THE PROGRAM THAT WE HAD IN PLACE BEFORE.
UH, BUT WE'VE TAKEN THE MAJORITY OF IT.
ONE OF THE QUESTIONS WE GET ASKED IS, WILL WE RESCORE ONCE IT'S BEEN WALKED WELL FROM THAT PICTURE, OBVIOUSLY WE WOULD RESCORE THAT.
UH, AND SO WE DO GET REQUESTS TO RESCORE.
A LOT OF THE TIMES THEY DON'T CHANGE SUBSTANTIALLY.
BUT THIS PROGRAM WILL HELP US, UM, UH, ESTABLISH WHEN WE WOULD RESCORE, UH, OR WHEN THE NEW WALKS WOULD OCCUR.
UH, BUT OBVIOUSLY WE WOULD LOOK AT RESCORING THOSE, UM, AGAIN, A SLIDE YOU'VE SEEN BEFORE, AND I'LL GET TO THE, THE POLICY ITSELF.
UM, BUT 646 WAS THE NUMBER OF LOCATIONS I MENTIONED OUTTA THE 3000 THAT HAVE SCORED TO 60 AND BELOW.
SO WE FEEL LIKE ANYTHING ABOVE 60 IS SOMETHING THAT IS IN GOOD ENOUGH CONDITION THAT WE DO NOT, UH, OR WE'RE NOT GONNA ADDRESS IT AT THIS TIME.
UM, OUT OF THOSE 646, 425 OR CITY AND PARK OWNED PROPERTIES, UH, 180 ARE PRIVATE OWNER.
AND A PRIVATE OWNER CAN BE A PRIVATE RESIDENCE, SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENCE.
IT CAN BE A COMMERCIAL BUSINESS, IT CAN BE A GOLF COURSE.
UH, SO IT'S, IT'S ANY PROPERTY THAT'S ESSENTIALLY NOT OWNED BY THE CITY OF PLANO.
UH, AND THEN 41, UH, OR HO EIGHT TO THE 6 46.
AND SO THE 42, UH, AGAIN, A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT FORMAT, BUT IT A MATT OR THE 42, YOU KNOW, JUST OVER A 1% OF THE TOTAL 3000, WHICH I THINK IS PROBABLY A GOOD STATISTICS THAT WE'VE ONLY GOT 42, UH, CRITICAL LOCATIONS.
NINE ARE PRIVATE OWNER, AGAIN, PRIVATE OWNER, SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENCE, UH, COMMERCIAL GOLF COURSES.
SO I MENTIONED EARLIER THAT WE HAVE STARTED SOME PROJECTS.
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THE CRITICAL LOCATION.THE REASON I WANTED TO SHOW THIS, WE'VE ACTUALLY ADDED FIVE THAT FALL WITHIN THE 20 TO 60.
AND THE REASON BEING IS THEY ARE LIKELY SANDWICHED BETWEEN TWO CRITICAL LOCATIONS.
AND SO IT MAKES SENSE TO GO AHEAD AND ADDRESS IT WHILE WE'RE THERE.
UH, AND YOU CAN SEE THERE, MOST OF THOSE ARE AERIAL CROSSINGS.
SO WE'RE ESSENTIALLY PROTECTING OUR INFRASTRUCTURE.
WE DON'T WANT AERIAL, UH, CROSSINGS OR SANITARY SEWER PIPES IN OUR CREEKS, UH, IN DANGER OF COLLAPSING.
UH, AND THEN THERE IS ONE DRAINAGE, AND THEN THERE'S ANOTHER WATER AND SEWER.
UH, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WAS MENTIONED IN JULY IS MAINTENANCE.
UH, DO WE HAVE A MAINTENANCE PROGRAM WITH THIS? IS THERE A WAY FOR US TO ADDRESS PROJECTS BEFORE THEY GET TO THAT CRITICAL? SO WE HAVE PARTNERED WITH OUR FRIENDS IN PUBLIC WORKS, UH, THAT WE'VE GIVEN THEM 135 LOCATIONS TO LOOK AT TO SEE IF THERE'S A WAY TO DO MINOR REPAIRS ON THOSE.
UH, OUT OF THE 135, THEY'VE ONLY EVALUATED ABOUT 20% SO FAR.
UM, BUT NONE OF THOSE, THEY FEEL LIKE THEY CAN REPAIR 20.
THEY FEEL LIKE IT'S TOO SIGNIFICANT.
SO WE'RE CONTINUING TO WORK WITH THEM TO SEE IF WE CAN GET A CONTRACTOR ON, UH, OR IF THERE'S GONNA ACTUAL REQUIRED DESIGN.
AND HERE'S A A, A REALLY GOOD EXAMPLE.
UH, THIS IS AN AERIAL SEWER CROSSING.
IT CURRENTLY SCORES A 49, THE ROCK AND THE CHAIN LINK.
YOU SEE AT THE BOTTOM OF THAT, WE CALL THAT A GAAB BIAN BASKET.
UH, THE BASKET NEEDS TO BE FIXED.
THERE NEEDS TO BE SOME ROCKS ADDED BACK TO IT.
SO AGAIN, PREVENTATIVE MAINTENANCE, VERY MINOR REPAIR.
UH, BUT THAT WILL MOVE THAT FROM A 49 TO A 75 WITH THAT REPAIR.
UH, ONE OF THE QUESTIONS WE HAD WAS, WELL, WHY WOULD IT NOT BE A HUNDRED? AND THE REASON IS, IS WHERE THAT PIER IS AT BASED ON THE GEOMETRY OF THE PIPE, IT'S ACTUALLY IN THE FLOW OF THE CHANNEL.
AND SO THE WAY TO REMOVE IT, UH, OR TO WAIT TO GET IT TO A HUNDRED, YOU WOULD ACTUALLY HAVE TO REMOVE THAT PIER.
AND BECAUSE OF THE PIPE GEOMETRY, IT'S JUST NOT FEASIBLE, UH, AT THIS LOCATION.
SO I MENTIONED LOOKING AHEAD, WE'VE JUST, UH, FINISHED, UH, THE 20, THE MILES BEING WALKED.
WE'VE STARTED, UH, ROLLING OUT CRITICAL PROJECTS.
UH, THE NEXT PLAN WOULD BE FOR THE ROUND TWO, IS WE WOULD START A NEW WALK.
UH, AND WHAT WE'RE REALLY TRYING TO GET FROM THAT IS WHAT IS THE EROSION RATES AT THESE LOCATIONS? OUR FIRST WALK DEVELOPED 42 LOCATIONS, AS YOU SAW FROM THAT PICTURE EARLIER, THAT BAG WALL.
WE'VE ALREADY HAD ANOTHER ONE ADDED.
IT'S NOT TO SAY THERE'S NOT MORE OUT THERE.
UH, SO IT CONTINUES TO ERODE, BUT WE DON'T KNOW WHAT THE RATE OF THE EROSION IS.
WE DON'T KNOW WHEN WE WALK THESE AGAIN, IF WE'RE GONNA HAVE ANOTHER 42, OR DO WE HAVE TWICE THAT MUCH OR HALF THAT MUCH.
THE GOOD THING IS, SINCE WE'VE ALREADY WALKED THIS, WE DEVELOPED DA THE DATABASE.
THE PROGRAM'S ALREADY ESTABLISHED.
UH, AND THEN ONCE WE GET THAT FIVE YEARS LATER, WE MAY WALK IT AGAIN.
WE MAY SAY IT GOES TO A 10 YEAR PROGRAM, JUST DEPENDING ON WHAT THE NUMBERS TELL US.
SO PROCEDURE-WISE, THIS IS WHAT WE DID NOT HAVE FOR YOU IN JULY OF 25, ARE NOT REALLY, UH, WELL-DEFINED.
WE'VE WORKED WITH OUR LEGAL DEPARTMENT, UH, TO DEVELOP THIS, BECAUSE REALLY THE BIG QUESTION IS, CAN WE DO WORK ON PRIVATE PROPERTY? MOST OF THE CITY AND PARKS PROJECTS, THOSE ARE STRAIGHTFORWARD.
UM, SO WE'VE DEVELOPED THIS PROCEDURE, UH, AS, UH, FOR YOUR EVALUATION OR FOR YOUR DIRECTION.
UM, THE, THE FIRST ONE'S VERY OBVIOUS, THE SELECTION OF THE SITES.
THAT'S DEFINED BY THE CRITICAL.
WE'VE ALREADY ESTABLISHED THAT.
UH, THE NEXT ONE IS THE OWNER'S INTEREST.
AND RIGHT OF ENTRY, WE'LL WANT TO TALK WITH THE OWNER, LET THEM KNOW THAT THERE IS AN IMPACT ON THEIR PROPERTY.
WE WANNA DO AN ADDITIONAL EVALUATION OF THEIR PROPERTY.
UM, THE SURVEY CONSTRAINTS AND CONCEPTS, THAT'S GOING TO BE A FEE TO THE CITY THAT WE WILL HAVE TO DO A SURVEY OF THE PROPERTY.
BUT WHAT THAT WILL ESTABLISH FOR US IS, IS THERE ANY CONSTRAINTS BEFORE WE DO THE PROJECT? IS THERE A FENCE IN THE WAY? IS THERE A LANDSCAPE KEYSTONE WALL IN THE WAY? IS THERE A DECK IN THE WAY? IS THERE A POOL IN THE WAY? IS THERE A GARAGE IN THE WAY? AND WE WANT THE PROPERTY OWNER TO BE WELL AWARE BEFORE WE START DESIGN THAT THESE THINGS WILL HAVE TO BE, UH, REMOVED BEFORE WE CAN MOVE THE PROJECT IF WE CANNOT COME UP WITH A DIFFERENT SOLUTION TO THAT.
SO IT'S REALLY IMPORTANT FOR US TO FIND THAT OUT, THAT INFORMATION, AND, UM, PRESENT THAT TO THE PROPERTY OWNER.
AND SO YOU SEE DOWN THERE BETWEEN THREE AND FOUR, WE WANT THEIR COMMITMENT THAT THEY'RE WILLING TO MOVE THOSE ITEMS, WHATEVER THEY MAY BE.
THEY MAY JUST BE A SIMPLE FENCE THAT HAS TO MOVE BACK A FEW FEET.
UM, BUT WE WANT THAT COMMITMENT BEFORE WE START MOVING FORWARD.
THE NEXT STEP WOULD BE THAT AGREEMENT AND CONTRIBUTION, CONTRIBUTION I'LL TALK ABOUT HERE IN A MINUTE.
UM, BUT THAT WOULD HAVE TO BE, UH, IN PLACE BEFORE WE BEGIN THE DESIGN.
UH, AND THEN THE, OF COURSE, THE CONSTRUCTION AND THEN THE LONG TERM MAINTENANCE.
THE CITY WOULD TAKE MAINTENANCE RESPONSIBILITY OF THE STRUCTURE ITSELF, BUT THE PROPERTY WOULD STILL BE RESPONSIBLE FOR MOWING, UH, OR A NEED, DEBRIS OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT.
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PIER CITIES, UH, WE SHOWED THIS A VERY SIMILAR SLIDE TO LAST TIME.UM, IT'S A LITTLE MORE REFINED, BUT OUR POOR TEAM HAS DONE A TON OF RESEARCH ON THIS PROGRAM.
AND WHAT THEY HAVE FOUND IS THERE'S REALLY NOTHING, UH, STANDARD.
UH, EVERYBODY DOES SOMETHING A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT, UH, DEPENDING ON THEIR SITUATION.
YOU CAN SEE, UH, RICHARDSON, UH, WAS TALKING TO ALLISON EARLIER.
UH, SHE THINKS THAT THEY'VE DONE THESE WALKS FOR THEIR STREAMS, UM, FOR THE LAST 20 YEARS.
SO, SO IT'S A MUCH SHORTER PROGRAM FOR THEM.
UM, BUT THEY HAVE A, A 5,000, UH, PLUS THE EASEMENT DONATION, WHICH OBVIOUSLY THERE'S A COST ASSOCIATED WITH THAT.
UM, BUT WHAT OUR RESEARCH SHOWS IS THE MAINTENANCE RESPONSIBILITY STILL STAYS WITH THE PROPERTY OWNER, UH, WHICH IS VERY INTERESTING.
UM, ARLINGTON, WHICH YOU WOULD SAY IS KIND OF APPLES TO APPLES, ALMOST, UH, POPULATION THREE EIGHTY, A HUNDRED FORTY ONE MILES.
UM, THEY ONLY PROTECT THEIR INFRASTRUCTURE.
THEY DO DO NOT DO PRIVATE PROPERTY.
UH, WE ACTUALLY GOT REACHED OUT TO, IF ANYBODY SAW THE NEWS IN THE LAST WEEK OR SO BY DESOTO, UH, THEY HAD A HOUSE THAT WAS ON TOP OF A STREAM BANK.
THAT WAS THE, THE HOUSE THAT THEY HAD TO MOVE OUT OF IT BECAUSE OF THE STREAM BANK HAD UNDERMINED THE HOUSE SO MUCH.
UM, AND THE, SO DESOTO WAS LOOKING AT, BUT THEY WERE WANTING TO CAP THEIR PARTICIPATION AT A HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS, WHICH SOME OF THESE PROJECTS THAT IT'S JUST NOT GONNA BE FEASIBLE.
SO WE'VE TRIED TO PUT TOGETHER, BASED ON THE FEEDBACK WE RECEIVED FROM YOU GUYS, BASED ON SOME OF OUR SURROUNDING CITIES, WHAT WE FEEL LIKE WOULD BE A, A PROGRAM THAT WE CAN MOVE FORWARD WITH.
SO, FIRST ONE, I'VE KIND OF TALKED ABOUT IT ALREADY, AND WE'VE TALKED ABOUT THE CRITICALITY, UH, ZERO TO 20, UH, FOR RESIDENTIAL, HOA AND FOR NON-RESIDENTIAL, UH, UH, THAT WOULD BE ESSENTIALLY, UH, IGNORING THE PLAT REQUIREMENTS.
MOST OF THESE LOCATIONS WHERE THERE'S PRIVATE PROPERTY, THE PLAT SAYS THE PROPERTY OWNER IS RESPONSIBLE FOR EROSION.
UM, BUT, UH, THAT WOULD BE OUR RECOMMENDATION.
IF THEY REACH TO THAT CRITICAL, THEY DO QUALIFY FOR IT.
UH, THERE WOULD BE A CONTRIBUTION FOR RESIDENTIAL AND HOA WE'RE PROPOSING 10,000, UH, DOLLARS.
AND THEN FOR NON-RESIDENTIAL, WHICH WOULD BE YOUR COMMERCIAL SITES, GOLF COURSES, IT WOULD BE 50% OF THE PROJECT COST.
AND BOTH OF THOSE WOULD INCLUDE THE, UH, DEDICATION OR DONATION OF A NECESSARY EASEMENTS TO COMPLETE THE PROJECT.
UH, THESE OTHER ONES ARE WHAT WE'RE PROPOSING, UH, JUST WANTED TO LET YOU GUYS KNOW FOR.
SO SITE READINESS, I TOUCHED ON THAT EARLIER.
THAT WOULD BE THE ENCROACHMENT OR THE CONSTRAINTS THAT IMPACT THE SITE THAT WOULD HAVE TO BE CLEARED BEFORE WE BEGIN THE PROJECT.
UH, THE MAINTENANCE, I TALKED ABOUT THAT A LITTLE BIT.
WE WOULD MAINTAIN THE STRUCTURE PROPERTY AND WOULD STILL BE RESPONSIBLE FOR THE GRASS AND DEBRIS, UH, IN AND AROUND THE AREA.
UH, AND THEN WE DID PROPOSE A CONSENT AND WITHDRAWAL.
UH, CONSENT WOULD BE THE, EARLIER WHEN I WAS TALKING ABOUT THE ONE PROJECT OR THE ONE PROPERTY THAT MAY BE IN THE MIDDLE OF THE LONGER PROJECT, WE WOULD REQUIRE A HUNDRED PERCENT CONSENT OF ALL PROPERTIES IMPACTED FOR THEIR PROJECT, IF THERE'S NO WAY FOR US TO DESIGN AROUND THOSE.
UM, SO WE WOULD HAVE TO GET A HUNDRED PERCENT.
THAT'S SOMETHING WE WOULD HAVE TO TALK ABOUT IF SOMEBODY IS HOLDING OUT, YOU KNOW, THAT COULD BE ESSENTIALLY HOLDING THE PROJECT HOSTAGE.
UH, AND THEN WITHDRAWAL RULES, UH, AS LONG AS IT'S BEFORE CONSTRUCTION, UM, AND EASEMENTS HAVE NOT BEEN, UH, RE UH, DEDICATED, WE WOULD, UH, CONSIDER THAT.
SO THESE ARE THE, UH, THE FIVE THINGS THAT WE BROUGHT UP FOR, UH, DIRECTION FROM YOU GUYS.
I KNOW THERE ARE SOME SPEAKERS THAT WANTED TO TALK TO, BUT BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU MAY HAVE.
COUNCIL MEMBER THOMAS, THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE AND PRESENTING TODAY.
UM, I'M NEW COMING TO THIS PARTY, AND I'VE HAD A FEW EMAILS, WELL, QUITE A FEW EMAILS REGARDING THE CONTRIBUTION OF $10,000.
EXCUSE ME, WHAT BROUGHT US TO, UH, ASKING FOR A CONTRIBUTION OF 10,000 FROM HOAS.
SO THAT WAS DISCUSSED AT THE JULY OF 2025, IS TO CONSIDER THAT IT WASN'T THE SPECIFIC 10,000 NUMBER.
IT WAS, WE FELT LIKE THERE SHOULD BE A PARTICIPATION REQUIREMENT WITH THIS.
NOW, I'LL LET ANYBODY ELSE, UM, THANK YOU, MAYOR.
SO, AND THAT, ACTUALLY, I'LL TAG ONTO THAT BECAUSE I ORIGINALLY THOUGHT WE WERE THINKING OF $15,000 VERSUS THE $10,000.
I THINK AT SOME POINT WE'RE THINKING 25, BUT THERE, THERE DOES NEED TO BE SOME SORT OF SKIN IN THE GAME IF WE'RE INVESTING THIS MUCH MONEY INTO THE PROJECT.
THERE NEEDS TO BE SOME SORT OF ASPECT THAT, I MEAN, 10 TO 15, BUT I WAS, I THOUGHT IT WAS 15 FOR SOME REASON.
BUT BASICALLY MAKING SURE THAT THE RESIDENTS STILL ADD SOMETHING INTO IT AS WELL TOO, EVEN THOUGH WE GET PRETTY MUCH, IT'S LIKE WHAT A RANGE OF 500,000, 200,000, 100,000 EACH PROJECT WOULD
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VARY THE DOLLAR AMOUNT, BUT OVERALL, IT WOULD JUST SAY THAT FLAT DOLLAR FOR THAT RESIDENT OR THE OWNER OF THE PROPERTY.IS THAT CORRECT? MY MEMORY? THAT'S, UH, THAT'S CORRECT.
SO WHY NOT USE THE DRAINAGE FEE? THAT WAS A QUESTION THAT I'VE GOT.
WELL, YEAH, CALEB PROBABLY HAVE TO ANSWER THAT ONE.
BUT TO THE W MAYOR PRO TEMS, UH, COMMENT ALSO, IT IS TO MAKE SURE THAT THERE IS, UM, SOME OF SKIN IN THE GAME AS, AS HE MENTIONED, TOWARDS THOSE PROJECTS AS WELL.
BECAUSE THERE'S, THERE'S A QUESTION OF FAIRNESS AND EQUITY TO THE OTHER CITIZENS, OTHER HOAS, OTHER COMMERCIAL PROPERTIES, UH, IN THE CITY AS FAR AS THEM PAYING A DRAINAGE FEE, UM, FOR THAT BENEFIT.
AND SO TO, TO SOME EXTENT, THERE IS A, UM, A SOME ELEMENT OF PRIVATE BENEFIT, WHETHER IT'S A HUNDRED PERCENT OR LESS, UM, THAT IS, UH, THAT IS HAVING ACCESS TO THOSE PARTICULAR, UH, UH, UH, AMENITIES, AMENITIES, CREEKS, THINGS LIKE THAT, THAT'S NOT NECESSARILY SHARED BY THE BROADER COMMUNITY.
AND SO SOME OF THAT ELEMENT IS THAT BALANCE OF WHAT SHOULD BE PUBLICLY, UH, FUNDED VERSUS WHAT SHOULD BE PRIVATELY FUNDED WAS, WAS PART OF THE DISCUSSION.
UH, CALEB, I'M, I'M KIND OF QUESTIONING, UH, THE SAME TOPIC.
UM, AND YOU KNOW, I'M KIND OF TORN BECAUSE I SEE THAT MANY OF THE FOLKS ALONG THESE STREAMS DID NOT BARGAIN FOR THE AMOUNT OF WATER THAT, UH, NOW RUNNING THROUGH THAT DIDN'T RUN THROUGH WHEN THEY BOUGHT THEIR PROPERTY.
UM, AND ALSO THE, THE FACT THAT, UH, IN SOME CASES, PERHAPS, UM, THEY REALLY CAN'T AFFORD, UH, WHATEVER THIS IS.
AND I'M WONDERING IF WE CAN COME UP WITH SOME KIND OF A, UH, A REVIEW PANEL OR SOMETHING THAT MIGHT BE ABLE TO, UH, UH, GO OVER SOME OF THESE, UH, CASES.
WE DON'T HAVE THAT MANY HOAS ON THE CRITICAL LIST, BUT SOME OF THEM ARE VOLUNTEER AND FINDING THIS MONEY IS LIKE IMPOSSIBLE.
UM, SO I'D LIKE US TO FIND, UH, SOME SOLUTIONS TO, UH, WORK WITH, UH, RESIDENTS, UH, AND, UH, HOAS WHERE, UH, THEY SAY THE FUNDING IS JUST NOT POSSIBLE.
SO COUNCILMAN PART PART OF THAT WILL BE THAT WE WILL BE IN ORDER TO FUND THOSE ELEMENTS ON THE FAIRNESS AND EQUITY SIDE, IF WE'RE NOT GOING TO CHARGE SOME, THE, THE QUESTION IS BECOME, IS GOING TO BECOME, ARE WE CHARGING ANY, 'CAUSE ON THE PRECEDENT SIDE, IF, IF WE'RE SAYING SOME GROUPS HAVE TO PAY AND OTHERS DON'T, I THINK WE'RE GONNA FACE SCRUTINY OVER WHERE THAT LINE IS AND, AND HOW THAT THAT GOES.
AND IF COUNCILS COUNCIL WANTS TO RAISE DRAINAGE RATES TO, TO BE ABLE TO, TO COVER A LOT OF THIS, THAT THAT'S A COUNCIL DECISION THAT THAT'S UP TO Y'ALL TO DECIDE.
BUT FROM THE, THE PRECEDENT AND THE, THE FAIRNESS SIDE OF THINGS, I THINK IF, IF COUNCIL, UH, APPROVES AND, AND TONIGHT YOU MAY JUST TAKE THIS AND NEED TIME TO DIGEST IT, AND THAT'S ABSOLUTELY FINE AS WELL.
BUT IF COUNCIL APPROVES FEES, OUR GOAL IS TO APPLY THOSE EQUITABLY, UH, ACROSS THE, THE COMMUNITY SO THAT, UM, THE, THE EXPECTATION IS PARTICIPATION WILL BE CONSISTENT ACROSS THOSE PARTICULAR GROUPS.
UM, YOU KNOW, AND, AND MAYBE SOME OF THIS IS FINDING SOME FORM OF, UH, FINANCING OR IN THE CASE OF AN HOA, HELPING THEM WITH ASSESSMENTS TO THEIR, UH, MEMBERS, WHICH THEY'RE NOT GONNA BE FAMILIAR WITH HOW TO DO THAT IF IT'S A VOLUNTEER, FOR SURE.
UM, SO IF WE CAN FIND SOME WAYS TO HELP, UH, MAYBE IT DOESN'T ELIMINATE THE COST, BUT MAYBE WE FIND A WAY TO MAKE IT PALATABLE.
WE CAN LOOK AT, AT DEVELOPING A TOOLKIT FOR, FOR THEM TO, UM, TO LOOK AT AS FAR AS RESOURCES AND THINGS LIKE THAT, THAT THEY CAN LOOK AT.
UH, ALONG THOSE SAME LINES OF, PARTICULARLY WITH THE HOAS, I THINK THERE'S BEEN SOME PRECEDENCE WHERE HOAS HAVE SORT OF DEFAULTED OR THEY'RE UNABLE TO RAISE THEIR, THEIR FEES BECAUSE THEY CAN'T GET A QUORUM TOGETHER, ET CETERA.
DO WE HAVE SOMETHING IN PLACE TO ADDRESS THAT? SO IF WE DO HAVE A $10,000 FEE FOR THE HOA THAT AS WAS MENTIONED, WE CAN FIND A WAY TO, TO HELP THEM TO GET THAT.
IS THERE SOMETHING ALREADY? YEAH, SO WE DO NOT HAVE THAT.
OKAY, COUNCILMAN? SO, UH, PART OF THAT IS, IS WOULD BE THE CITY TAKING THAT ON.
AND SO IF THE CITY IS TAKING ON THAT RESPONSIBILITY, TYPICALLY WHEN WE DO THAT, WE HAVE SOME SORT OF EASEMENT OR ACCESS OR OWNERSHIP OF THE PROPERTY.
AND IF THAT'S COUNSEL'S DIRECTION THAT YOU WOULD PREFER US TO GO THAT WAY, WE CAN WORK WITH OUR, OUR LEGAL COUNSEL
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TO TALK ABOUT THOSE OPTIONS.BUT IT MAY INCLUDE, UM, SOME ACTIONS THAT CAN BE A LITTLE BIT MORE CONTROVERSIAL AS, AS FAR AS TAKING OWNERSHIP.
AND I, I THINK WE HAVE TRIED TO BE, UM, MINDFUL OF THAT, OF, OF PERSONAL PROPERTY.
AND SO IT'S BEEN MORE ON THE VOLUNTARY BASIS, UH, THAN ANYTHING.
UH, WHAT IS, IS IT, DO YOU FEEL LIKE MAINTENANCE, THE WORD MAINTENANCE IS WELL DEFINED? BECAUSE IN CONVERSATIONS I HAD LAST YEAR, MAINTENANCE, SOME THOUGHT OF THAT AS SIMPLY MOWING AND SOME THOUGHT OF IT AS, HEY, YOU NEED TO MITIGATE THIS EROSION.
DO WE HAVE A GOOD DEFINITION, DO YOU THINK? SO FROM A, I GUESS TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION, PROBABLY NOT WELL DEFINED, BUT WHAT WE'VE TRIED TO USE IT AS IS IF WE ARE GOING TO LOOK AT MAINTEN OR MAINTAINING ANY EROSION SITES THAT FALL 60 OR BELOW, UH, AND SO THE ONES THAT WE ARE WORKING WITH OUR PUBLIC WORKS TEAM ARE BETWEEN THAT 20 AND 60.
ANYTHING BELOW 20, THAT'S GONNA BE AN ENGINEERING PROJECT, SO THAT'LL STAY WITH OUR DEPARTMENT.
BUT, UM, YEAH, TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION, AS FAR AS THE PROGRAM ITSELF, FROM A MAINTENANCE PERSPECTIVE, THE CITY IS GONNA MAINTAIN THE STRUCTURE.
SO WHETHER WE PUT IN A, A ROCK WALL, A MAINTENANCE, OR A, A GIAN WALL OR WHATEVER WE PUT IN, WHAT I WANNA MAKE SURE IT'S UNDERSTOOD IS THAT DOES NOT MEAN THAT WE'RE GONNA COME OUT THERE AND, YOU KNOW, UH, IF THERE'S TRASH OR DEBRIS OR ANYTHING ALONG THOSE LINES RIGHT NOW THAT PLAT LANGUAGE SAYS THAT.
SO LIKE MARK WAS SAYING A SECOND AGO, WE WILL HAVE TO WORK WITH OUR LEGAL TEAM, BUT WE WOULD HAVE ESSENTIALLY AN ACCESS MAINTENANCE EASEMENT ON THIS STRUCTURE ITSELF.
BUT THE, THE BUSH HOGGING THINGS LIKE THAT, THAT WOULD BE UP TO THE RIGHT.
I'D LIKE TO JUST ASK A LITTLE BIT MORE ABOUT BUY-IN.
YOU KNOW, I'M THINKING ABOUT, UH, PARTICULARLY IF YOU HAVE A GOLF COURSE AND YOU HAVE A VERY LONG STRETCH OF CREEK AND, AND THERE'S A LOT TO MAINTAIN.
WHERE ARE WE WITH GETTING BUY-IN FROM THE OWNERS OF THE, OF THE STRETCH OF STREAM? I MEAN, WHAT, WHAT ARE OUR TOOLS HERE IN TERMS OF, YOU KNOW, GETTING SOMEONE TO COMPLY, PARTICULARLY WHEN YOU'VE GOT THE SITUATION WHERE THEY WILL HAVE TO MAKE A CONTRIBUTION AND, YOU KNOW, AND IF THEY DON'T WANT TO DO IT, I MEAN, WHAT ARE OUR, WHAT ARE OUR HANDS TIED OR WHAT, UH, SO IN, IN, IN A SENSE, UH, IT, THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE'LL WORK WITH THEM, UH, ON EACH OF THOSE LOCATIONS AND THOSE PROJECTS.
BUT AT THE END OF IT, IT'S THEIR PROPERTY.
THEY CAN MAKE THAT DECISION OF, THAT'S OUR PRIVATE PROPERTY.
WE DON'T WANT TO CONTRIBUTE EVEN THE HALF AMOUNT.
AND SO THE NEXT OPTIONS WOULD BE EITHER HAVING THIS BODY HAVE A DIFFERENT POLICY, YOU KNOW, I DON'T KNOW THAT WE WANT TO GO, UH, DOWN, UH, FORCING A SALE OF PROPERTY OR ANYTHING ALONG THOSE LINES.
WE JUST, YEAH, WE JUST DON'T DO THE PROJECT.
WELL, IT, IT, IT COULD BE THE NEIGHBOR THOUGH, THAT'S LIVING WITH IT AS WELL.
WELL, I THOUGHT YOU, YOU WERE, YOU WERE TALKING, YOU TALKING ABOUT A LONG STRETCH, LIKE A GOLF COURSE.
YEAH, THAT'S WHAT I, I THOUGHT YOU MEANT OKAY.
SO, UM, SORRY, GO AHEAD, MARIA.
I, I I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT MY MEMORY SERVES ME, CALEB AND MARK.
SO WE STARTED THIS CONVERSATION ABOUT, UM, THIS TRYING TO WORK SOMETHING OUT FOR, UH, THE, THE BANKS, UM, MANY YEARS AGO, RIGHT? ABOUT TWO OR THREE YEARS AGO.
AND I STILL REMEMBER WHEN WE FIRST STARTED TALKING ABOUT THIS, UM, THERE WAS A, A VERY, VERY INTENSE DISCUSSION WITH REGARD TO WHAT IS OWNED BY THE CITY AND WHAT IS RESPONSIBLE BY THE CITY, AND WHAT IS REALLY RESPONSIBLE BY THE HOA, BECAUSE IT'S REALLY WRITTEN IN THEIR HOA THAT THEY'RE SUPPOSED TO BE TAKING CARE OF IT.
AND THEN THERE WAS A, A LOT OF DISCUSSION, A LOT OF FEEDBACK FROM THE RESIDENTS ABOUT, BUT WE CAN'T AFFORD IT.
UM, AND, AND THE HOA IS UNABLE TO ABSORB ALL THE COSTS.
AND THAT WAS WHEN THE CITY STARTED LOOKING INTO THE POSSIBILITY OF EQUALIZING OUR, UM, OUR CARE FOR ALL THE STREAM BANKS.
UM, AND, AND LOOKING INTO THE COST OF TAKING ON THAT BURDEN.
AND AT THAT TIME, I BELIEVE, UM, WITH OUR FINANCIAL SITUATION AT THAT TIME, I THINK IT WAS REALLY, REALLY EXTREMELY DIFFICULT FOR, UM, FOR THE CITY TO CONSIDER ABSORBING ALL THAT COST.
AM I, AM I REMEMBERING ALL THAT CORRECTLY? YES, YES, MA'AM.
SO NOW WE'RE COMING TO THE SOLUTION PART BECAUSE NOW WE HAVE WALKED, UM, THE STREETS, WE HAVE WALKED THE BANKS, AND WE LOOKED AT ALL THE, UM, AREAS.
AND ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WAS ALSO DISCUSSED WAS, LOOK, WE'LL, WE'LL TAKE CARE OF ALL THE REALLY, REALLY, UM, DIFFICULT, I MEAN, THE ONES THAT REALLY
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ABSOLUTELY NEEDS IMMEDIATE REPAIR, AND THEN WE'LL, WE'LL ABSORB THOSE COSTS, BUT STILL, THAT'S STILL A REALLY BIG BURDEN FOR THE CITY.SO IT'S BEEN TWO OR THREE YEARS, AND WE'RE DOWN TO THE, NOW WE'RE AT THIS POINT IN THIS JUNCTURE WHERE WE'RE TRYING TO FIND SOLUTIONS IN WHICH IT WON'T BREAK THE CITY'S CITY OF PLANOS BANK WHILE MAKING SURE THAT, UM, OUR, YOU KNOW, OUR, YOU KNOW, OUR PROPERTIES REMAIN, UM, IN GOOD QUALITY AND GOOD VALUE.
SO, UM, WITH THAT SAID, I, I, I, I'M JUST TRYING TO REMEMBER ALL THAT.
I, I, IF I DON'T REMEMBER CORRECTLY, THEN, YOU KNOW, IT'S PROBABLY JUST BECAUSE I'M GETTING OLD.
WELL, COUNCILWOMAN ONE, ONE OF THE CHALLENGES THAT WE HAVE IS WE DON'T HAVE UNIFORMITY AS FAR AS WHAT THE PLAT LANGUAGE SAYS FOR ALL OF THESE AREAS.
SO IT'S KIND OF ALL OVER THE BOARD.
SO THAT'S BEEN ONE OF THE CHALLENGES WE FACED WITH THIS.
IF IT WAS ALL UNIFORM, IT WOULD BE A LITTLE BIT MORE STRAIGHTFORWARD AS FAR AS OUR APPROACH.
BUT PART OF THAT CHALLENGE IS THAT THE FACT THAT THERE ARE SO MANY DIFFERENT VARIATIONS, AND SO THAT RESPONSIBILITY KIND OF SHIFTS AROUND, UH, TO, FROM INDIVIDUALS TO, TO, UH, ALL SORTS OF THINGS.
SO, UM, FOR US, THAT'S, THAT'S BEEN PART OF THE CHALLENGE IS TRYING TO DEVELOP A POLICY THAT APPLIES UNIFORMLY TO THE CITY.
UM, UNDERSTANDING THAT THERE IS SOME OF THAT VARIABILITY THAT WE'RE ADDRESSING AT THE SAME TIME.
SO WITH THAT SAID, I, I ACTUALLY, UM, WITH THAT REMEMBERING, UM, I ACTUALLY REALLY APPRECIATE THIS, UM, MUTUAL SHARING OF COSTS.
I, I, I DON'T BELIEVE $10,000 IS REALLY, UH, A MAJOR PORTION OF THE COST THAT'S GONNA COST CITY OF PLANO, UM, IN FIXING, UH, WHAT NEEDS TO BE FIXED.
UM, I, I THINK IT'S A VERY SMALL PERCENTAGE, UNLESS YOU'RE GONNA TELL ME NO, NO, I, I WOULD SAY SO IT'S OBVIOUSLY GONNA BE A CASE BY CASE BASIS, BUT IF A PROJECT HAS REACHED A CRITICAL LEVEL, IT'S GONNA HAVE SUBSTANTIAL COST.
AND SO $10,000, IT'S NOT EVEN GONNA BE WHAT, UM, HOW MANY PERCENTAGE OF COSTS WE'RE TALKING ABOUT.
IT'S, IT'S GONNA BE PROBABLY LESS THAN 10% OR LESS THAN 5%.
WITH THAT SAID, I, I THINK THAT, UM, THAT IS ABSOLUTELY SOMETHING THAT, UM, I, I THINK WE DEFINITELY NEED TO, NEED TO PURSUE THAT.
THAT IS A DIRECTION I WOULD SUPPORT BECAUSE AT THIS POINT, HAVING, IF WE START HAVING CITY OF PLANO, THE GOVERNMENT ENTITY BEAR ALL THE BURDEN, WELL 10 YEARS DOWN THE ROAD, THEY'RE GONNA, UH, PEOPLE ARE GONNA FORGET THAT, UM, THE GOVERNMENT ACTUALLY WALKED IN THIS, IN, IN BASICALLY TO, TO SUBSIDIZE AND SUPPORT, NOT BECAUSE THEY ACTUALLY HAVE THE RESPONSIBILITY TO DO SO.
AND THEN 10 YEARS DOWN THE ROAD THEY'RE GONNA SAY, WELL, WHAT ABOUT ALL THE MESS? WHAT ABOUT ALL THE GARBAGES? WHAT ABOUT ALL THE CLEANING? WHAT ABOUT ALL THE, UH, MAINTENANCE? AND, AND WE START TAKING ON MORE AND MORE RESPONSIBILITY AS A GOVERNMENT THAT WE DON'T HAVE MONEY TO, TO, TO, TO REALLY HANDLE.
UM, AGAIN, TOUCHING BASE WHAT THE CITY MANAGER ADDRESSED, BUT ALSO THE VARIABILITIES OF WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT, WHAT YOU EXPLAINED HERE.
UM, EVERY SITE'S GONNA BE DIFFERENT.
SO WITH THAT BEING SAID, IF WE'RE ASKING FOR A $10,000 CONTRIBUTION FROM THE HOMEOWNER OR FROM THE HOA, I THINK IT'S ALMOST IMPERATIVE TO US THAT WHEN WE LOOK AT EACH INDIVIDUAL SITE OR A LENGTH OF SITE THERE, THAT WE CONDUCT A REALLY GOOD VALUE ENGINEERING STUDY.
AND WHAT I MEAN BY THAT IS RIP WRAP ISN'T ALWAYS THE ANSWER.
YOU KNOW, PILLOW BLANKETS MAY NOT BE THE ANSWER SHEET.
PILING WOULD NOT BE THE ANSWER.
IT COULD BE JUST SIMPLE D 50 RIP WRAP BE IN PLACE.
SO I THINK IT'S IMPERATIVE FOR THAT.
WHEN WE GO BACK THERE AND WE'RE LOOKING AT SOLUTIONS TO DO THIS MITIGATION, WE GO BACK AND LOOK AT IT FROM A DOLLAR PERSPECTIVE TOO.
WHAT'S THE BEST ENGINEERING APPROACH THAT WE CAN DO THIS COST EFFECTIVELY AND STILL MEET THE GOALS OF WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT HERE? SO I JUST DON'T THINK WE NEED TO GO IN THERE BLINDLY AND SIT THERE AND THINK THAT RIP WRAP IS ALWAYS THE ANSWER.
IT IS IN A LOT OF CASES, BUT SOMETIMES IT MAY NOT BE.
AND WE CAN GET BY WITH A CHEAPER ALTERNATIVE THAT STILL MEETS THE MITIGATION GOALS, THEN THAT'S SOMETHING WE SHOULD BE ALWAYS TARGETING.
UM, LET ME HEAR FROM THESE SPEAKERS AND THEN WE MAY CALL YOU BACK UP.
OUR FIRST SPEAKER IS BRENT MKE.
GOOD EVENING MAYOR CITY COUNCIL.
IT'S BEEN FOUR YEARS SINCE I'VE BEEN WORKING ON THIS.
UM, I FOLLOWED THE STREAM BANK EROSION PROGRAM FOR, FOR THOSE FOUR YEARS, AND I APPRECIATE THE CITY'S EFFORTS TO IDENTIFY THE CRITICAL EROSION LOCATIONS AND DEVELOP
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A PROGRAM TO FINALLY, UH, ADDRESS THESE SITES.MY CONCERN IS WITH THE COST SHARING PROGRAM, EVERY PROPERTY OWNER IN PLANO PAYS A DRAINAGE FEE TO FUND THE MAINTENANCE OF THE CITY STORM WATER INFRASTRUCTURE, BECAUSE RUNOFF FROM THEIR PROPERTY CONTRIBUTES TO THE OVERALL DRAINAGE EROSION ISSUE.
THE STORM WATER EVENTUALLY FLOWS INTO THE PLANO NATURAL CREEKS, WHICH CARRY THE COMBINED WATER RUNOFF FROM PROPERTIES THROUGHOUT THE WATERSHEDS.
THESE NATURAL CREEKS EXISTED LONG BEFORE THE CITY OF PLANO.
IT, IT'S THE DEVELOPMENT THROUGHOUT PLANO THAT'S INCREASED THE STORMWATER RUNOFF AND PEAK FLOWS DURING THE RAIN EVENTS CONTRIBUTING TO THE ACCELERATED STREAM BANK EROSION.
IT'S NOT SIMPLY CAUSED BY WHO HAPPENS TO OWN THAT PROPERTY AND WHERE IT'S LOCATED.
YET THE PROPOSED POLICY WOULD REQUIRE SOME PROPERTY OWNERS TO CONTRIBUTE TOWARD MAJOR EROSION REMEDIATION, WHILE OTHERS WOULD HAVE THEIRS FUNDED ENTIRELY BY THE CITY IN OUR HOA ONE BANK OF THE CREEK IS PRIVATELY OWNED, WHILE THE OPPOSITE SIDE IS CITY OWNED.
BOTH BANKS EX EXPERIENCE THE SAME STORM WATER FLOW AND EROSION.
THE WATER DOESN'T KNOW WHO OWNS THE BANK YET, UNDER THE PROPOSED POLICY OWNERSHIP DETERMINE DETERMINES WHO PAYS FOR THAT STABILIZATION, SAME CREEK, SAME WATER, SAME EROSION, DIFFERENT FINANCIAL RESPONSIBILITY.
THE FAIREST AND MOST CONSISTENT APPROACH IS TO FUND MAJOR STREAM BANK STABILIZATION THROUGH THE CITY'S, UH, DRAINAGE UTILITY WHERE EVERY PROPERTY OWNER CONTRIBUTES TO THE MAINTENANCE OF PLANO STORM WATER INFRASTRUCTURE, INCLUDING NATURAL CREEKS THAT CARRY THAT WATER RUNOFF FROM THROUGHOUT THE CITY.
I RESPECTFULLY ASK THE COUNCIL TO CONSIDER AN ALTERNATIVE TO THE COST SHARING POLICY PROPOSED BY CITY STAFF, ONE THAT FUNDS ALL MAJOR STREAM BANK STABILIZATION THROUGH THE EXISTING DRAINAGE UTILITY.
AND I HOPE I DON'T HAVE TO COME UP HERE ANOTHER FOUR YEARS FROM NOW.
OUR NEXT SPEAKER IS ABRAM BASSAM.
GOOD EVENING MAYOR AND COUNCIL MEMBERS.
THANK YOU FOR THE TIME AND THE ACTIVE CONVERSATION EARLIER.
UM, I'VE BEEN IN THE PLANNING AREA FOR 20 YEARS, NATIVE TEXAN.
I LIVE AT 31 0 1 ROYAL ASHDOWN.
I AM ON THE 18TH HOLE OF PRESTONWOOD HILLS GOLF COURSE.
SOME OF YOU HAVE BEEN OUT TO OUR SITE.
UM, SEVERAL ENGINEERING TEAMS HAVE COME OUT AND ACTUALLY WALKED OUT WITH ME.
UH, BOB, THANK YOU FOR COMING OUT AS WELL.
UM, YOU KNOW, THERE IS A CAVERN BEHIND OUR HOUSE WHERE THE CREEK IS AND THE EROSION.
SO YOU GUYS MENTIONED EARLIER, UH, ABOUT THE GOLF COURSE OWNING SOME OF THOSE FEES.
MY MAIN CONCERN IS IF WE'RE ASKING THEM TO PAY 50% OF THOSE FEES, WHAT IF THEY DECIDE NOT TO DO THAT? RIGHT? THERE'S NOT JUST MY HOUSE ASSOCIATED, MY HOUSE IS ACTUALLY DIRECTLY ALIGNED WITH THAT PROPERTY IN THAT, IN THAT CULVERT.
UM, BUT WHAT IF THEY DECIDE NOT TO, TO MOVE FORWARD? ARE THEY GONNA ACCEPT THOSE RESPONSIBILITIES AS PART OF THE, THE CITY'S, UM, FOR PAYMENT? UM, AND I KNOW YOU MENTIONED EARLIER SOME OF THE, THE PLAT LANGUAGE, WHICH IS ALSO, UM, CONCERNING AS A, A CITIZEN DEPENDING ON WHO HAS A LEGAL RIGHT OF RESPONSIBILITY FOR THAT.
TALKING WITH THE CITY PRIOR, IT DOES FEEL LIKE THE RESPONSIBILITY IS ON THE GOLF COURSE FOR THAT FLOODPLAIN.
UM, BUT THAT'S A CONCERN FOR ME IF THE GOLF COURSE DECIDES NOT TO MOVE FORWARD AND, UM, HELP SUPPORT THAT, THAT WORK THE AREA, UH, WHERE YOU, SO QUICK STORY.
WHEN I MOVED IN THERE IN 2019, I HAD NO IDEA ABOUT STREAM BAKE EROSION.
NEVER CROSSED MY MIND, RIGHT? FIRST DAY WE GOT A BIG RAINSTORM.
THERE'S THE COLORADO RIVER ACROSS THE 18TH HOLE, AND I'M WATCHING THAT WATER AND I'M THINKING, OH, THAT'S KIND OF COOL.
THERE'S A RIVER BEHIND OUR HOUSE.
YOU KNOW, SIX YEARS LATER IT'S A BIG ISSUE.
AND I THINK THERE'S A LOT OF NEIGHBORS THAT I'VE SPOKEN TO THAT HAVE NO IDEA THIS IS A PROBLEM, RIGHT? SO WE'RE STARTING TO TALK ABOUT WITH THOSE NEIGHBORS SO THEY GET A BETTER UNDERSTANDING OF LIKE THE LONG-TERM CONS WITH THIS AND OUR PROPERTY VALUES POTENTIALLY BEING IMPACTED BY THAT.
SO I THINK THERE'S GONNA BE A LOT MORE, UM, VOICE CARY ON THIS, AS MORE OF OUR NEIGHBORS ARE GETTING AWARE OF THIS PROBLEM.
SO IF WE LOOK AT THE DRAINAGE FEES, UM, THAT WERE MENTIONED EARLIER, YOU KNOW, WE'VE PAID FOR THAT.
AND THE, AND THE STORM WATER HAS INCREASED SO MUCH OVER THE LAST 20 YEARS.
I CAN GO BACK AND LOOK AT GOOGLE EARTH IMAGES OF MY CREEK AND WHERE OUR PROPERTY LINE, AND THAT'S COME BACK FROM 26 FEET DOWN TO ABOUT 15 FEET FROM THE HOUSE, RIGHT? SO YOU CAN EASILY SEE THE DEVASTATION THAT'S HAPPENED OVER THAT TIME PERIOD, RIGHT? SO I ASK THAT BECAUSE THE UPPER FLOW WATER IS COMING FROM THE MAIN CITY AND ALL THE GROWTH IN PLANO, WHICH IS GREAT LIVING IN PLANO, BUT THAT GROWTH HAS CONTRIBUTED TO THAT DIRECTLY TO THAT DAMAGE.
SO I THANK YOU FOR THE TIME, UH, AND I APPRECIATE THE EFFORTS ON
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THIS.OUR LAST SPEAKER IS SHERRY ROSE.
GOOD EVENING MAYOR AND COUNCIL MEMBERS.
MY NAME IS SHERRY ROSE AND I HAVE LIVED AT 6 6 5 2 CASTLE PINES DRIVE IN PLANO FOR 28 YEARS.
MY PROPERTY IS ADJACENT TO ONE OF THE THREE LOCATIONS ALONG THE GOLF COURSE THAT THE CITY HAS IDENTIFIED AS CRITICAL, UH, STREAM BANK EROSION.
MY HOME SITS ABOVE THE CREEK WITH THE PROPERTY LINE, BEGINNING AT A STEEP SLOPE, DESCENDING TOWARD THE WATER.
AS THE CREEK BANK CONTINUES TO ERODE, THE SLOPE IS BEING UNDERMINED, AFFECTING MY BACKYARD.
MY DECK IS NO LONGER LEVEL AS THE GROUND CONTINUES TO SHIFT, BE, BE BENEATH THE CREEK.
THIS IS NOT JUST A CONCERN ABOUT WHAT MIGHT HAPPEN SOMEDAY.
WE ARE ALREADY SEEING THE EFFECTS OF EROSION ON OUR PROPERTIES AT MY NEIGHBOR'S HOME.
EROSION HAS PROGRESSED TO THE POINT THAT SOIL BENEATH HIS CONCRETE DECK IS BEING WASHED AWAY, UNDERMINING THE STRUCTURES.
HE HAS ALREADY MADE NUMEROUS REPAIRS TO A GREAT EXPENSE.
I APPRECIATE THE CITY'S EFFORTS TO IDENTIFY THESE CRITICAL EROSION LOCATIONS AND DEVELOP A PLAN TO ADDRESS THEM.
HOWEVER, I AM CONCERNED ABOUT THE PROPOSED FUNDING POLICY, WHICH WOULD REQUIRE THE GOLF COURSE TO CONTRIBUTE 50% OF THE STABILIZATION COSTS OVER THE LAST 28 YEARS.
THEY HAVE NOT BEEN RECEPTIVE TO DOING MUCH WORK BACK THERE.
THERE IS A SIGNIFICANT DIFFERENCE IN THE SEVERITY OF THE IMPACT WHILE THE EROSION IS IS OCCURRING ON THE GOLF COURSE.
IT IS PRIMARILY AFFECTING THE CREEK BANKS, NOT THE AREAS WHERE THE GOLF IS PLAYED.
THE GOLF COURSE CAN CONTINUE TO OPERATE WHILE THE EROSION THREATENS THE BACKYARDS AND POTENTIALLY THE HOMES OF ADJACENT HOMEOWNERS.
THE CONSEQUENCES AND URGENCY ARE SIMPLY NOT THE SAME YET UNDER THE PROPOSED POLICY, PROTECTING OUR HOMES COULD DEPEND ON THE GOLF COURSE, AGREEING TO PAY THE STABILIZATION COSTS, NEITHER WE AS HOMEOWNERS NOR THE GOLF COURSE CREATED THE STONE WA STORM WATER RUNOFF FLOWING THROUGH THESE CREEKS.
IT IS THE ACCUMULATED RUNOFF FROM DEVELOPMENT THROUGHOUT THE WATERSHED.
MY CONCERN IS THAT THE CITY HAS IDENTIFIED THESE LOCATIONS AS CRITICAL, BUT THE PROPOSED COST SHARING POLICY COULD PREVENT THE NECESSARY WORK FROM MOVING FORWARD.
I ASK THE COUNCIL TO ESTABLISH A FUNDING APPROACH THAT ALLOWS THESE CRITICAL EROSION SITES TO BE STABILIZED WITHOUT BECOMING TIED UP IN DISPUTES OVER WHO PAYS.
THANK YOU FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION.
SO WE, UH, WE, WE HAVE PROBABLY A LOT TO CONSIDER HERE.
WE HAVE THE COST SHARING, UH, ISSUE, WHETHER IT BE A, A FLAT FEE OR WHETHER IT BE A PERCENTAGE, OR WHETHER IT NOT BE USED WHATSOEVER.
AND THEN THE COMMERCIAL ASPECT OF, UH, THEIR RESPONSIBILITY AND POSSIBLY THEIR UNWILLINGNESS TO PARTICIPATE AND, AND WHAT, WHAT OUR OPTIONS ARE THERE.
SO, UM, I THINK, I THINK WE'RE GONNA NEED TO KIND OF EXPLORE, UH, THOSE THINGS BEFORE WE KIND OF MOVE INTO DIRECTION.
UH, CALEB, I, I DON'T KNOW ABOUT THE REST OF YOU, BUT I, I THINK IT'S, IT'S CRITICAL TO BE ABLE TO KIND OF UNDERSTAND WHAT OUR OPTIONS ARE ON, ON COST SHARING, WHETHER IT BE ZERO OR, OR PERCENTAGE OR A FLAT FEE, AND THEN WHETHER, UM, UH, HOW THE COMMERCIAL, UH, PARTICIPATION WILL WORK AS WELL.
UH, ALONG THOSE SAME LINES, I, I'D LIKE TO KNOW, UH, WHAT THE IMPACT WOULD BE ON THE DRAINAGE FEE, YOU KNOW, IF WE WERE TO CONSIDER THAT AS THE SOURCE FOR GOVERNMENT DOESN'T HAVE TO UNDERSTAND IT.
SO, COUNCILMAN, MY QUESTION ON THE DRAINAGE FEE WOULD BE THAT ARE WE GOING TO REQUIRE EASEMENTS AND OR OWNERSHIP? 'CAUSE THAT'S AN ADDITIONAL COST FEE PROCESS IF, IF THE CITY IS PAYING FOR IT.
TRADITIONALLY, WHAT WE HAVE SAID IS THAT FOR THOSE SORTS OF THINGS, WE HAVE AT LEAST AT MINIMUM, AN EASEMENT TO BE ABLE TO DO THAT.
SO MY MY FOLLOW UP QUESTION WOULD BE IS ARE, ARE WE PAIRING THOSE THINGS TOGETHER? 'CAUSE TO DISCONNECT IT AND, AND TO DO THAT MEANS THAT WE'RE MAKING IMPROVEMENTS ON PRIVATE PROPERTY IN SOME CASES WHERE THE PLA EXPLICITLY IN SOME CASES WILL SAY THAT THEY HAVE THE, THE MAINTENANCE REQUIREMENT, WHICH IN SOME WAYS CAN PUT US AT RISK FROM A PRECEDENT PERSPECTIVE.
WELL, UM, SINCE YOU PUT IT THAT WAY, LET ME THINK ABOUT THAT SOME MORE.
I MEAN, IT DEFINITELY, DEFINITELY GIVES ME A LOT TO THINK ABOUT BECAUSE I THINK THERE'S, THERE'S A LOT, A LOT AT RISK HERE.
IT'S, IT, AGAIN, IF IT WAS UNIFORM, IT WOULD BE A MORE STRAIGHTFORWARD ANSWER.
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RIGHT.I I, I THINK THAT WAS ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I ALSO WANTED TO, TO ASK IS, I THINK WE TALKED ABOUT THIS.
WE, WE ACTUALLY, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE EXPLORE AFTER WE DECIDED THAT NO, WE'RE GOING, WE'RE, UM, THE, THE CITY IS GOING TO, UM, BE RESPONSIBLE FOR A LOT OF THE CRITICAL REPAIRS.
WELL, WHERE'S THE MONEY COMING FROM? AND WE START EXPLORING, DO WE WANNA OWN IT OR DO WE NOT WANNA OWN IT? IF WE OWN IT, DO WE WANT TO PAY FOR IT FOR THE REST, THE REST OF THE, I MEAN THE EXISTENCE OF THE, OF THE STREAM.
SO I THINK THEY'RE, I'M, I'M SORRY, CALEB
IT WAS A BIG, I I, I REMEMBER IT WAS A BIG, UM, BIG PROJECT.
UM, YEAH, TO, TO SAY THAT TO, YOU KNOW, TO SAY THE LEAST, THAT REALLY TRY TO TIE EVERYTHING TOGETHER, UM, BETWEEN THE CITY OWN AND THE PRIVATE OWN.
AND THE PRIVATE OWN, BEING PART OF HOA OWN AND THEN PART OF CORPORATION OWN, AND THEN HAVING SOMETHING THAT'S UNIFORMLY BEING, UH, COULD BE APPLIED TO THE ENTIRE CITY THAT WILL NOT, UM, APPEAR TO BE, UM, I GUESS PUTTING A DISADVANTAGE FOR THOSE PEOPLE WHO DON'T, UH, HAVE A, A BENEFIT TO THE STREAM.
SO I, I APPRECIATE ALL THE WORK AND OBVIOUSLY WE'RE GONNA BE DISCUSSING ABOUT THIS FOR A FEW MORE MONTHS.
SO, YOU KNOW, I, LIKE I SAID, I, I DO APPRECIATE THE, THE SOLUTION THOUGH.
I, I THINK THAT IS IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION.
CAN I ASK ONE CLARIFYING QUESTION BY, IF WE BROUGHT THIS BACK, SAY IN EARLY DECEMBER, DOES THIS DELAY ANY PROJECTS OR ANY, ANY ISSUES BY DELAYING THIS A COUPLE MONTHS? NO, NOT, NOT DIRECTLY.
WE'VE STARTED THE FOUR PROJECTS FROM A WORKLOAD CAPACITY THAT'S GONNA BE ABOUT THE MAX THAT OUR STAFF CAN ADDRESS.
UM, PERFECT PUBLIC WORKS IS ALREADY MOVING FORWARD WITH THOSE MAINTENANCE LOCATIONS, SO NOT DIRECTLY YET.
UM, AND YOU ALL KNOW ME BY NOW, I'M ALWAYS LOOKING AT THE FINANCES AND THE BUDGETS AND STAYING WITHIN COSTS, BUT, UM, HONESTLY, THESE STREAM BANKS DON'T NECESSARILY START AND END WITHIN CITY OF PLANO BOUNDARIES.
IS THERE A WAY WE CAN LOOK AT MAYBE AT STATE LEVEL FUNDING? MAYBE IT'S A MORE QUESTION, MAYBE STATE LEVEL FUNDING OR COUNTY LEVEL FUNDING TO SEE AND THEN APPLY THOSE FUNDS TOWARDS THE STREAM BANK BECAUSE THERE'S GROWTH ALL OVER THIS COUNTY AS WELL.
THAT'S, THAT'S A GREAT QUESTION.
AND MAYBE THAT'S, SORRY, I'M LOOKING AT ME LIKE NO, NO, I, NO, BUT MAYBE WE COULD BE, I THINK IT'S A GREAT IDEA, BUT WE COULD HAVE A DISCUSSION WITH THE COG, UH, POSSIBLY ABOUT MAYBE SOME, SOME FUNDING AND GRANTS THERE.
HAPPY TO DO HOMEWORK ON THAT ONE.
AND ONE OF THE OTHER THINGS WE'RE LOOKING AT IS THE TEXAS TO WATER DEVELOPMENT BOARD AS WELL IS FOR POTENTIAL FUNDING SOURCES.
SO LET'S LOOK AT OTHER FUNDING SOURCES AND THEN IT'S ALSO EVALUATE THIS ASPECT AS WELL TOO.
BUT I STILL BELIEVE THERE SHOULD BE SOME SKIN IN THE GAME ASPECT, SO, UNDERSTOOD.
COUNCIL MEMBER LEVION, YOU KNOW, I, I'M THINKING BACK TO, UH, WHAT, UH, THE CITIZEN'S COMMENT ABOUT, UH, THEIR PROPERTY HAS BEEN SHRINKING.
UH, AND I'M WONDERING IN, IN, UH, FIXING THAT PARTICULAR PROBLEM, WOULD WE BE RESTORING THE PROPERTY? IN OTHER WORDS, WOULD WE BE FILLING IN THE LAND SO THAT IT WAS, UH, YOU KNOW, CLOSER TO, UH, THE ORIGINAL POINT? OR W WOULD THAT NOT BE A GOAL OF, UH, THE REMEDIATION OR PROBLEM? YEAH, I, I THINK IT REALLY WILL COME BACK DOWN TO IT'S PRIVATE PROPERTY.
SO, AND ESPECIALLY I THINK IN ONE OF THE CASES THAT WAS BROUGHT UP, IT'S PRIVATE PROPERTY BETWEEN TWO PRIVATE PROPERTY OWNERS.
UH, THE CITY WILL HAVE, UH, A DRAINAGE EASEMENT, BUT THE, THE LANGUAGE IS FAIRLY CLEAR IN SOME OF THOSE CASES.
SO I THINK THAT'S THE BIGGEST HURDLE THAT WE'VE BEEN WORKING WITH LEGAL IS TO GET PASSED.
SO, MARK, CAN WE, UM, CAN WE KIND OF LOOK INTO SOME OF THESE ITEMS THAT WE'VE ALL ABSOLUTELY SUGGESTED? WE'LL PLAN ON BRINGING IT BACK EARLY DECEMBER.
WE CAN, WE CAN GET, UH, SOME OF THESE ANSWERS HERE IN THE NEXT FEW WEEKS.
THERE BEING NO FURTHER BUSINESS.