[Willow Bend Redevelopment Advisory Committee on October 13, 2026]
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OKAY, WE ARE CALLING THE MEETING TO ORDER.
UM, THE FIRST ORDER OF BUSINESS IS TO APPROVE THE MINUTES FROM OCTOBER 8TH.
IS ANYBODY MOTION TO APPROVE? SECOND.
UH, WITH THAT, CURTIS, CAN YOU EXPLAIN EXACTLY WHERE THE QUESTIONS CAME FROM FOR TODAY? THANK YOU, CHAIR WARREN.
ALL RIGHT, WELL, GOOD EVENING EVERYBODY.
SO, JUST KIND OF AN, UH, UH, AN OVERVIEW OF THE WAY THIS IS GONNA WORK TONIGHT.
UH, THIS IS A Q AND AND A SESSION.
AND WHAT WE HAVE DONE IS, IS WE HAVE REQUESTED THAT, UH, CITIZENS FROM THE COMMUNITY SEND IN QUESTIONS THROUGH A ONLINE PROCESS.
AND, UH, THAT HAS BEEN OPEN FOR, UH, FOR SEVERAL DAYS.
AND SO WE ARE TAKING THE QUESTIONS THAT WE RECEIVED ONLINE, AND, UH, THE COMMITTEE MEMBERS WILL THEN, UH, ASK THOSE QUESTIONS TO THE CONSULTANTS, AND THE CONSULTANTS WILL COME UP, UH, PROBABLY IN GROUPS AND, AND RESPOND TO THOSE QUESTIONS.
SO YOU'LL SEE THAT, THAT SORT OF DIALOGUE GOING ON.
UH, OVERALL, WE RECEIVED A TOTAL OF 127 QUESTIONS, AND, UH, WE'VE KIND OF CUED THOSE DOWN BECAUSE SEVERAL, A LOT OF THOSE QUESTIONS, UH, WERE SIMILAR IN NATURE.
AND SO WE CU THOSE DOWN TO ABOUT 59 QUESTIONS TOTAL.
SO WE WILL GO THROUGH THOSE QUESTIONS AND YOU'LL GET TO SEE THE, THE CONSULTANTS RESPOND TO EACH OF THOSE QUESTIONS.
WE, WITH TRAFFIC AND PARKING, SO IF THOSE CONSULTANTS COULD COME UP, THAT'D BE GREAT.
AND THEN JEFF IS GONNA LEAD US IN THAT SET OF QUESTIONS.
THIS, THIS IS GONNA BE FOR THE, UH, FOR THE COMMITTEE TO, TO, TO ASK THOSE QUESTIONS THAT WERE SENT IN THROUGH THE ONLINE PROCESS, AND THEN THE COMMITTEE MEMBERS CAN FOLLOW UP, UH, BASED ON THE RESPONSES FROM THE, UH, CONSULTANTS.
SO IT'S NOT FOR AUDIENCE PARTICIPATION.
MY PARTNER TJ, COULD NOT BE HERE THIS EVENING.
SO, BEFORE WE GET STARTED, I WANNA MAKE JUST ONE GENERAL COMMENT, UM, 0.0, RESIDENTS THAT SHOWED UP TONIGHT.
I APPRECIATE Y'ALL SHOWING UP.
UM, WE'VE, YOU KNOW, THIS IS OUR SIXTH OR SEVENTH OR EIGHTH OR HOWEVER MANY MEETINGS WE'VE HAD.
UM, AND, UH, I KNOW FOLKS HAVE BEEN WATCHING ONLINE.
I'VE HAD PEOPLE TELL ME THEY'RE, THEY'RE WATCHING ONLINE, BUT I THINK IT'S FABULOUS THAT, THAT FOLKS CAME OUT TONIGHT TO, TO HEAR YOUR, YOUR QUESTIONS GET ANSWERED.
UM, AND WE WILL TRY TO DO OUR BEST TO HONOR NOT ONLY THE QUESTION, BUT THE INTENT OF THE QUESTION AND ASK FOLLOW UPS AND, AND MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE GETTING TO THE INTENT OF THE QUE OR GETTING ANSWERS THAT, THAT MEET THE INTENT OF THE QUESTIONS.
SO, UM, WE WILL, UH, WE'LL START WITH OUR FRIENDS AT FAIR AND PEERS, UM, SEEING Y'ALL A COUPLE TIMES ALREADY.
AND THANK Y'ALL FOR BEING BACK TONIGHT.
UM, YOU KNOW, THE, THE FIRST, A LOT OF THIS STUFF I THINK Y'ALL PRESENTED TO US, UM, THAT I'LL BE ASKING, MAY FEEL LIKE YOU'VE AN ASKED AND ANSWERED, UM, BUT, UM, HOPEFULLY THIS'LL BE A, THE MOST WATCHED VIDEO AND PEOPLE WILL GET THEIR ANSWERS THAT WAY.
UM, I BELIEVE IT'S THE INTENT OF THE COMMITTEE TO HAVE THESE QUESTIONS AND ANSWERS THIS, YOU KNOW, PDF DOCUMENT POSTED ON THE CITY'S WEBSITE SO THAT, UM, FOLKS CAN, CAN SEE THE SPECIFIC ANSWERS AND, AND READ 'EM THEMSELVES AS WELL.
UM, BUT THANK Y'ALL FOR, FOR BEING BACK.
UM, SO, YOU KNOW, FIRST QUESTION IS, HOW WILL TRAFFIC ON GAME NIGHTS BE ACCOMMODATED? UM, PARTICULARLY WITH THE FACT THAT, UM, THERE'S NO PUBLIC TRANSPORTATION AND, AND, UM, THE OVERALL INFRASTRUCTURE OF THE SURROUNDING STUFF.
THERE'S NOT GONNA BE A NEW HIGHWAY BUILT AND, AND THAT SORT OF STUFF.
SO HOW'S TRAFFIC GONNA BE ACCOMMODATED? SO WE HA FIRST OF ALL, CAN Y'ALL HEAR
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ME OKAY? YES.I NEED TO GET CLOSER TO THE MIC.
SO, WHEN WE LOOK AT OUR TRA UH, TRANSPORTATION ANALYSIS, WE LOOK AT ALL OF THE DIFFERENT, UH, AND, UH, SORT OF WORST CASE OR AT LEAST CONSERVATIVE SCENARIOS.
AND THAT'S WHY WE LOOKED AT, AGAIN, A, A PRE HOCKEY GAME EVENT OR A POST CONCERT EVENT.
AND WE EXAMINED THE TRAFFIC, UM, AROUND THE SITE GOING FROM MIDWAY OR OVER TO MARSH OVER TO PRESTON, AND THEN PGBT UP TO PARKER.
AND AMONG THOSE INTERSECTIONS, WHICH WE PRESENTED TO YOU, WE STUDY, UH, WHAT THE IMPACTS ARE GONNA BE.
AND THEN WE ALSO STUDY, WE, WE COME UP WITH POTENTIAL, WE CALL THEM MITIGATIONS, BUT POTENTIAL IDEAS TO ALLEVIATE THAT TRAFFIC INGESTION WHERE IT, WHETHER IT'S LENGTHENING A TURN LANE OR ADDING A TURN LANE, UM, OR CHANGING A LANE FROM A THROUGH TO A THROUGH, RIGHT.
THESE ARE ALL WHAT WE CALL LOW HANGING FRUIT.
UH, A LOT OF BANG FOR THE BUCK IN TERMS OF, UH, ALLEVIATING CONGESTION OF THOSE INTERSECTIONS.
AND SO, UM, WE'VE COME UP WITH A SET OF MITIGATIONS AT SEVERAL OF THE INTERSECTIONS, MOST OF THE INTERSECTIONS, UM, THROUGHOUT THE PROJECT AREA THAT CONSIST OF A MIXTURE OF ALL THOSE MITIGATIONS THAT I JUST MENTIONED, CHANGES TO TURN LANES, CHANGES TO TRAFFIC, SIGNAL TIMING, UM, AND OF ALL OF THE IMPACTS IDENTIFIED AT THE SITE, WE ARE ABLE TO ACCOMMODATE THE PROJECT WITHOUT, UH, ADVERSE IMPACTS AT MOST OF THE INTERSECTIONS.
THERE ARE A FEW THAT WE STILL NEED TO WORK ON AS PART OF PHASE TWO, WHICH WE'VE IDENTIFIED, NAMELY THE ONES CLOSE TO THE SITE.
UH, PARK BOULEVARD, UM, IS, IS THE CLOSEST AND RECEIVES THE BULK OF THE TRAFFIC.
SO WE STILL NEED TO EXPLORE THAT A LITTLE BIT FURTHER.
BUT BY AND LARGE, AND YOU'LL SEE THIS IN THE REPORT WHEN IT'S DELIVERED, UH, MOST OF THE MEDIATIONS ARE ABLE TO SOLVE THE, THE CONGESTION, UM, THAT WAS PRESENTED AROUND THE STUDY AREA.
THAT WAS A GENERAL ANSWER, BUT IT WAS A GENERAL QUESTION.
SO I HOPE THAT, WELL, AND SO WE DON'T HAVE IT HERE IN FRONT OF US TONIGHT, BUT ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I FOUND HELPFUL WAS STUDYING THE, THE ROADMAP.
AND THIS GOES FOR PEOPLE WATCHING YOU CAN GO PULL UP ON THE CITY'S WEBSITE, ON THE WILL BEND SITE, UM, THE FAIR PI DOCUMENT AND THE THEN THEIR PRIOR PRESENTATION THAT THOSE TWO DOCUMENTS THAT ARE POSTED THERE.
UM, ONE OF THE THINGS I FOUND MOST HELPFUL WAS THE SEEING THE PERCENTAGE OF TRAFFIC THAT Y'ALL ANTICIPATE COMING TO THE SITE ON FROM DIFFERENT ROADS.
UM, AND, AND SO I'M, I'M, I'M GONNA GET TO ANOTHER QUESTION KIND OF FOLLOWING UP ON THIS FIRST ONE.
UM, BUT, YOU KNOW, YOU'D SEE SAY 12% OF THE TRAFFIC GOING NORTH ON SAY, MIDWAY, AND THEN, UM, THERE'S EIGHT, CALL IT 8% OF THE TRAFFIC GOING EAST ON HEBRON.
UM, AND THEN YOU SEE THAT SOME OF IT MAY TURN NORTH ON MIDWAY, SOME MAY CONTINUE ONTO PARK AND THOSE PERCENTAGES.
UM, SO I THINK THAT'S HELPFUL.
UM, IS THERE ANYTHING THAT Y'ALL SEE AS JUST BESIDES THE LOW HANGING FRUIT SIDE OF THIS, A LOT OF THIS DOES AS YOU STUDY, THAT COMES TOGETHER ALL IN PARK, YOU KNOW, 'CAUSE MM-HMM
THAT THAT'S THE, THE ONE ROAD THAT THAT LEADS TO THE SITE FROM EVERYWHERE.
UM, AND IS THERE SOMETHING THAT Y'ALL HAVE NOTICED MAYBE THAT HADN'T EVEN EVEN BEEN IN THE REPORT YET THAT SAYS, HEY, THIS IS HOW, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE SHOULD GET THERE A DIFFERENT WAY, UM, DIFFERENT KIND OF WAY FINDING THINGS OR, UM, YOU KNOW, HOW, HOW THE CITIES WORK OR, OR Y'ALL WORK WITH MAPPING SERVICES TO FORCE PEOPLE TO MAP, YOU KNOW, THAT MAPS THEM A DIFFERENT WAY SO THAT IT DOESN'T TAKE THEM INTO WHAT IS THE, YOU KNOW, IF I'M NOT MAPPING IT AND I KNOW, OH, IT'S ON PARK, I'M, I'M GOING THAT WAY.
WELL, IF I'M USING A MAPPING SERVICE, IT'LL TAKE ME SOMEWHERE ELSE INTENTIONALLY NOT TO ADD TO IT.
I MEAN, JUST TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THAT FOR US.
SO, UM, ONE OF THE THINGS TO KNOW IS THAT WE STUDIED, UH, WE WERE TRYING TO BE CONSERVATIVE WITH OUR APPROACH.
AND SO I MENTIONED THIS LAST NIGHT, BUT WE MADE, UM, WE ESTIMATED ALL OF THE TRAFFIC THAT IS HEADED TO THE, UH, SITE IS GOING TO PARK ON SITE.
UH, AND MOST OF THEM ARE DRIVING IN CARS.
SO ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE WON'T KNOW, THAT WE DON'T KNOW RIGHT NOW AND WON'T KNOW FOR A LITTLE BIT IS WHETHER THERE, THERE ARE, WHETHER THERE ARE OPPORTUNITIES TO PARK OFFSITE.
SO THAT'S THE FIR, MAYBE THEY DON'T HAVE TO COME RIGHT TO THE ARENA SITE.
MAYBE THEY CAN END THEIR TRIP AND THEN BEGIN THEIR HOME TRIP, UM, FROM SOMEWHERE ELSE.
SO THAT'S, THAT'S ONE WAY TO ALLEVIATE THE TRAFFIC ON PARK OR AT THOSE ROADWAYS THAT ARE SO CLOSE TO THE, TO
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THE ARENA SITE.SECONDLY, THERE ARE, UH, AS YOU KNOW, THERE ARE DISCUSSIONS GOING ON ABOUT, UM, DIFFERENT WAYS THAT PEOPLE CAN GET TO AND FROM THE SITE, UH, RATHER THAN JUST DRIVING OR, OR WALKING AND THAT'S USING TRANSIT.
MAYBE THEY CAN EVEN PARK FARTHER AWAY IN SOME OF THESE PARK AND RIDE LOTS AND MAYBE THERE ARE PRIVATE SHUTTLES THAT'LL BE EXPLORED FURTHER.
AND THEN FINALLY, TO YOUR POINT, JEFF, UH, THERE ARE WAY FINDING STRATEGIES THAT WE CAN USE DYNAMIC OR STATIC WAYFINDING, UH, TO HELP PEOPLE AND MESSAGE, UH, TO THEM AS THEY GET CLOSER TO THE SITE, WHICH ROUTES ARE PREFERABLE, MAYBE WHAT THE TRAVEL TIME IS SO THAT THEY CAN SELF-SELECT THE, THE ROUTE THAT MAKES MOST SENSE TO THEM AND IS ALSO THE LESS PROB LEAST PROBLEMATIC FOR CITY OF PLANO.
UM, COULD YOU, UH, REMIND ME HOW MANY CARS YOU THINK WILL BE COMING, HOW YOU ARRIVED AT THAT NUMBER FOR BOTH A HOCKEY GAME OR A CONCERT? HOW MANY AND HOW MANY PASSENGERS PER CAR? I THINK THAT'S SOME DETAIL THAT PEOPLE
THE HOCKEY ARENA IS 18, 18,000 PERSON CAPACITY.
I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY ACTUAL TRIPS.
GOOD EVENING AGAIN, JOHN GUARD WITH FAIR AND PIERCE.
SO IN TERMS OF THE PRE-EVENT PEAK HOURS, ARE YOU ONLY REFERRING TO THE, THE HOCKEY GAME ITSELF AND NOT THE SURROUNDING OTHER LAND USES? JUST, JUST HOCKEY ONLY.
SEE THIS IS, OKAY, LEMME, I'M JUST GONNA GIVE THE TOTAL RIGHT FROM THE TABLE BECAUSE I DON'T WANT TO MISSPEAK AT THIS POINT.
SO THE TOTAL EXTERNAL TRIP GENERATION IN THE WEEKDAY PRE-EVENT PEAK HOURS, 6,422 TRIPS, THE VAST MAJORITY OF THOSE ARE ASSOCIATED WITH THE HOCKEY GAME.
SO 6 6400, THE MAJORITY OF THOSE ARE BEING INBOUND AND THEIR HOCKEY GAME DURING THE POST EVENT, THE TOTAL IS 8,800 TRIPS.
AND THAT'S ONE HOUR FROM 11:00 PM TO MIDNIGHT.
AND THE VAST MAJORITY ARE OUT.
THAT'S ASSUMING A CONCERT THAT LETS OUT AT 11:00 PM ONE OTHER COMMENT, I WANTED TO JUST GO BACK, JEFF REAL QUICK.
UM, ONE TAKEAWAY THAT I HAD FROM, YOU KNOW, HAVING BEEN HERE A NUMBER OF TIMES NOW AND SEEING THE TRAFFIC DRIVING THE ROAD, SEEING STUFF IS THERE'S MORE CAPACITY OPPORTUNITIES, GENERALLY SPEAKING A LITTLE BIT MORE ON THE NORTH SIDE OF THE PROJECT THAN THE SOUTH SIDE AND THE, THE DALLAS PARKWAY COUPLET, THE WAY THIS, THIS, THIS, YOU KNOW, THIS ROADWAY COUPLET WORKS REALLY AFFORDS THE ABILITY TO BE ABLE TO HAVE PEOPLE COME FROM THE SOUTH GO NORTH UTURN PARKER AND TO USE SOME OF THESE ROADS THAT HAVE SOME RESERVE CAPACITY TO THE NORTH, IF POSSIBLE.
THOSE OF US THAT LIVE JUST TO THE NORTH DON'T NECESSARILY WANT TO SEE THAT.
OKAY, WELL THEY WE'RE, BUT WE'RE ONLY KEEPING THAT TRAFFIC ON DALLAS PARKWAY ONLY.
B BECAUSE WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO HERE, THOUGH, I, I TOTALLY GET THE POINT.
I TOTALLY GET THE POINT, BUT TRAFFIC IS LIKE WATER, IT'S GOING TO FLOW WHATEVER WAY DOWNTOWN PATH OF WASTE RESISTANCE.
AND SO PEOPLE ARE GONNA DO THAT AND THEY'RE, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE GONNA TYPE THE ADDRESS OF THE VENUE INTO WAZE OR WHATEVER, AND THEY'RE GONNA TAKE THAT PATH NATURALLY.
SO WE WANNA MAKE SURE WE'RE MODELING THAT CORRECTLY AND STUFF LIKE THAT.
BUT, BUT AGAIN, JUST STAYING ON THE MAJOR ARTERIALS AND NOT DOING ANYTHING LIKE THAT, THE PEOPLE WILL DO IT.
AND THAT'S WHERE THE WAY FINDING PROGRAM BECOMES IN HANDY AND STUFF.
AND THE CITY'S GOT THE ABILITY TO DO THAT.
UM, SO TAPPING ON TO BILL'S DEAL, UM, ASKING ABOUT THE, THE NUMBER OF CARS THEN THAT LEADS USED TO PARKING, UM, YOU KNOW, IN Y'ALL'S EXPERIENCE, IS IT BENE WOULD IT BE BENEFICIAL? WELL, I I'M TRYING TO GET TO THE GIST OF THE QUESTION THAT WAS ASKED, BUT REALLY TRY TO GET DEEPER TO IT.
UM, YOU KNOW, THE, THE, THE QUESTION THAT'S, THAT WAS ASKED FROM THE PUBLIC IS, WILL ALL THE PARKING BE ACCOMMODATED? UM, AND THIS ISN'T NECESSARILY SOMETHING I THINK Y'ALL CAN ANSWER, YOU KNOW, SOMEBODY FROM THE CITY MIGHT NEED TO JUMP IN AL ALSO, BUT YOU KNOW, THE, YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT 8,800 CARS LEAVING IN THE, IN THE HOUR AFTER THAT INCLUDES, YOU KNOW, MY RECOLLECTION FROM THE PRESENTATION WAS THAT WOULD INCLUDE SOME EMPLOYEE, UM, ARENA, YOU KNOW, WORKER TRAFFIC LEAVING IN THAT HOUR.
WHEREAS, YOU KNOW, THE, THE CARS COMING IN THAT LAST HOUR BEFORE AN EVENT, THOSE PEOPLE GENERALLY, I THINK Y'ALL ESTIMATED ABOUT 1100 VEHICLES TRIPS FOR EMPLOYEES, BUT MOST OF 99% OF THAT WOULD HAPPEN OUTSIDE OF THAT PEAK HOUR.
'CAUSE THEY'D HAVE TO GET THERE EARLIER TO, YOU KNOW, TO WORK AN EVENT.
SO I THINK THAT'S SOME OF THE, UM, THE DETAIL AROUND IT.
BUT IS THERE GONNA BE ENOUGH PARKING? UM, YOU KNOW, THERE'S 4,200 SPACES AT THE MALL SITE TODAY.
UM, YOU KNOW, Y'ALL'S ESTIMATES OF 90
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OR 8,800 CARS LEAVING, I MEAN, LET'S JUST ROUND.SO 9,000 CARS ARE LEAVING THERE IN, IN THE PEAK HOUR AFTER AN EVENT THAT MEANS 9,000 CARS ON SITE.
OR, YOU KNOW, A HANDFUL OF THEM COMING FOR, UM, YOU KNOW SURE.
I, IS THERE GONNA BE ENOUGH PARKING? UM, AND I DON'T THINK ANYBODY'S SURE OF THAT YET.
SO LET ME, LET ME CLARIFY THE WEEKDAY POST EVENT TRIP GENERATION FOR THE, YOU KNOW, THE FULL PROJECT.
SO WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT IS ABOUT 630 INBOUND TRIPS DURING THE WEEKDAY POST-EVENT, PEAK HOUR.
THE MAJORITY OF THOSE ARE INBOUND UBER AND LYFT TRIPS, YOU KNOW, ARRIVING TO THE SITE TO PICK PEOPLE UP.
AND THEN IN THE OUTBOUND DIRECTION THERE'S UM, EIGHTY ONE HUNDRED AND SEVENTY TWO TRIPS.
AND OF THAT, THAT SAME NUMBER OF UBER AND LYFT TRIPS, THEY COME IN EMPTY, THEY PICK SOMEBODY UP AND THEY, THEY LEAVE FULL.
SO THAT'S, YOU KNOW, JUST IN TERMS OF THE NUMBERS, JUST WANTED TO CLARIFY THAT.
IF ANYBODY TAKES A LOOK AT THE STUDY AND KNOWS TRANSPORTATION PLANNING STUFF LIKE THE PARKING, THEY COULD EASILY READILY CALCULATE HOW MUCH PARKING WOULD BE REQUIRED FOR THE ARENA.
WHAT'S MORE COMPLICATED IS THE REMAINING USE OF THE ENTERTAINMENT DISTRICT, RIGHT? SO WE HAVE LIKELY SCENARIOS, BUT NOT THE FINAL NUMBERS.
AND FROM THAT WE CAN DEVELOP ESTIMATES USING, YOU KNOW, THE IT PARKING GENERATION MANUAL SHARED PARKING INTERACTION BETWEEN ARENA ATTENDEES AND RETAIL AND ALL THESE DIFFERENT TYPES OF USES, WHICH HELPS INFORM WHAT THE PARKING'S GOING TO BE.
BUT WE DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S THE RE THAT, IF THAT'S THE ACTUAL NUMBER THEY WANT.
AND, AND ALSO PARKING IS, YOU KNOW, IT'S, IT'S A RESOURCE.
SO WE DON'T KNOW WHAT THE TOTAL PARKING NUMBER WILL BE ON SITE.
ALL WE'VE ASSUMED FOR THE PURPOSES OF THIS ANALYSIS IS THAT ALL THE PARKING DEMAND IS SERVED BY THE LAND USE THAT'S ON, ON THE SITE ITSELF.
SO WE DON'T HAVE PEOPLE PARKING.
IF WE HAD SAID 50% OF THE PEOPLE ARE GONNA PARK OFFSITE AND BE SHEED IN, WE WOULD PROBABLY BE ACCUSED OF UNDERESTIMATING THE PROJECT TRIP GENERATION AND THE PROJECT'S IMPACTS STUFF.
UM, AND THEN AT THIS POINT, UM, IT IS ASSUMED THAT THERE'S NO RAIL TO THE SITE.
'CAUSE THE TOY AUTHORITY HAS TOLD US THEY DON'T HAVE ANY RIGHT OF WAY FOR THAT.
AND, UM, I THINK AS Y'ALL HAVE LOOKED AT THINGS AND WHAT WE'VE HEARD FROM THE TOLLWAY AUTHORITY IS THERE'S NO REALLY ADDITIONAL RIGHT OF WAY THAT THE TOLLWAY AUTHORITY HAS TO EXPAND TOLLWAY LANES.
IS THAT CORRECT? OR IS THAT Y'ALL'S UNDERSTANDING? I THINK THE CITY'S HAVING, UH, SOME CONVERSATIONS WITH NTTA REGARDING WHAT CAN AND CAN'T HAPPEN ON, UH, DALLAS NORTH TOLLWAY ITSELF.
UH, BUT THEN YOU'RE CORRECT WITH RE RESPECT TO, TO PUBLIC TRANSIT.
UM, THE, DO Y'ALL HAVE LIKE, SO THE LOW HANGING FRUIT SIDE OF THINGS, DO Y'ALL HAVE KIND OF A DOLLAR VALUE THAT Y'ALL HAVE ASSIGNED TO ANY OF THAT IN THE REPORT? YOU WILL SEE, I SAW DOLLAR SIGN.
YOU'LL SEE DOLLAR SIGNS, BUT I DON'T, YOU KNOW, ONE, YOU KNOW, IT'S LIKE GOING TO A, YOU KNOW, IT'S LIKE LOOKING AT A RESTAURANT ON A, ON ON OPEN TABLE.
IT'S A A $1 SIGN RESTAURANT OR A $4 SIGN RESTAURANT.
AND, AND I SAW A LOT OF $1 SIGN, YOU KNOW, LOW HANGING FRUIT THINGS, BUT I WASN'T SURE IF, YOU KNOW, I WASN'T SURE, AND THE PERSON THAT ASKED THE QUESTION WAS, YOU KNOW, DON'T, DON'T HAVE ACTUAL DOLLARS.
IS THAT, YOU KNOW, UH, HEY, THAT ALL THESE LOW HANGING FRUITS IS, IS GONNA BE LESS THAN A MILLION BUCKS.
OR IS IT, YOU KNOW, Y'ALL LOOKING AT LOW HANGING FRUIT IS 10 MILLION OR, OR THAT SORT OF THING ALSO.
THE PURPOSE OF THE STUDY WAS TO IDENTIFY MITIGATIONS AND THEN RELATIVE COST DIFFERENCES.
UH, AND SO, SO THAT'S WHAT WE'VE DONE.
IT'S, IT'S GOING TO BE, UM, I THINK I'M SAFE TO SAY IT'S MORE THAN A MILLION, UH, IF YOU, IF YOU ADDED THEM ALL UP.
UH, BUT TO GIVE YOU, UH, AN ACTUAL DOLLAR FIGURE, UM, WE CAN'T DO IT THIS TIME.
UM, AND THEN CAN Y'ALL TALK TO US ABOUT SOME OF THE LESS LOW HANGING FRUIT OPTIONS OR, OR THINGS THAT Y'ALL HAVE SEEN? UM, PARTICULARLY AS IT RELATES TO MOST OF IT IS, YOU KNOW, PARK AT NORTH DALLAS TOLLWAY AND, AND PARK AT PLANO PARKWAY AND MAYBE A LITTLE BIT ALL THE WAY OVER TO MIDWAY, BUT I THINK PARK AT YEAH.
AND JUST, YOU KNOW, TALK THROUGH WHAT THOSE OPPORTUNITIES ARE, EVEN THOUGH THOSE MIGHT BE WAY MORE EXPENSIVE OPTIONS.
SO THE REPORT THAT'S GONNA BE AVAILABLE DISCUSSES THE LOW HANGING FRUIT SOLUTIONS AND SOME THAT ARE NOT AS LOW HANGING FRUIT.
YOU KNOW, SOME THAT ARE, YOU KNOW, FUNDAMENTAL CHANGES IN LANE ASSIGNMENTS LIKE JOSH MENTIONED, A THROUGH LANE BECOMING A SHARED LEFT THROUGH, THINGS LIKE THAT.
BUT THAT'S NOT WIDENING CURB GUTTER SIDEWALK.
BUT WHEN WE GET TO DALLAS PARKWAY, WE'RE ACTUALLY THINKING
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WHEN WE MAY AT, AT PARK BOULEVARD, MAYBE WE NEED TO WIDEN, ADD MORE CAPACITY THERE.BUT WHEN WE GET TO THE BIGGER TO BIGGER TYPE OF IMPROVEMENTS, WE'RE THINKING, YOU KNOW, SOMETHING LIKE CLOSING DOWN, YOU KNOW, THIS, THIS IS COMMON IN A LOT OF EVENT VENUES, WE CLOSE DOWN TURN LANES, WE CLOSE DOWN ENTIRE ROADS, AND I'M NOT, YOU KNOW, AGAIN, THIS ISN'T BRAINSTORM MODE COMPLETELY, BUT MAYBE SOME OF THE, YOU KNOW, THE ACCESS WAYS, YOU KNOW, FOR PRE-EVENT AND POST-EVENT HAVE TO BE FULLY CLOSED DOWN, ESPECIALLY FOR POST-EVENT WHEN THERE'S NOT VERY MUCH TRAFFIC IN SOME OF THE OTHER DIRECTIONS.
SO WE CLOSE DOWN THE ROAD FOR 30 OR 45 MINUTES JUST TO, TO FACILITATE OUTBOUND EGRESS.
ONE OF THE OTHER FACILITIES, YOU KNOW, IF YOU LOOK AT, UM, IF YOU GO TO INGLEWOOD, FOR INSTANCE, WHERE YOU'VE GOT SOFI STADIUM AND YOU HAVE INTUIT DOME, THEY'VE GOT SEVEN LANE ARTERIALS THAT ARE JUST STRIPED.
AND SO THEY RUN FIVE AND TWO, FIVE LANES SOUTHBOUND POST EVENT, TWO LANES NORTHBOUND, FIVE LANES SOUTHBOUND GETS A LOT OF TRAFFIC OUT.
SO THE IDEA OF POTENTIALLY REMOVING SOME MEDIANS LIKE ALONG IN THE AREA OF PLANO PARKWAY AND PARK BOULEVARD.
SO THAT, THAT KIND OF BRINGS IN THIS WHOLE THING ABOUT EVENT TRANSPORTATION MANAGEMENT.
AND THAT'S THE KEY ASPECT OF WHERE WE HAVE TRAFFIC CONTROL OFFICERS.
WE STRATEGICALLY DIRECT TRAFFIC AWAY, WE MAXIMIZE THE AMOUNT OF, UH, CAPACITY USING MANUAL RIGHT OF WAY ASSIGNMENT AND THINGS LIKE THAT.
AND THERE'S MORE ELABORATE THINGS EVEN STILL, YOU KNOW, I TUNNELS AND FLYOVERS AND THINGS LIKE THAT, THAT WE DIDN'T HAVE TIME TO GET INTO ANY OF THOSE TYPES OF DETAILS.
BUT THERE'S A LOT MORE THAN, YOU KNOW, WHAT WE PRESENTED HERE IS JUST THIS IS THE LOW HANGING, HIGH BENEFIT COST IMPROVEMENTS, BUT THERE'S CERTAINLY OTHERS THAT WE WANT TO CONTEMPLATE.
EVEN THE, YOU KNOW, THE IMPROVEMENT WE HAVE AT HIGHWAY AT, AT S 75 AND PARKER, WHICH IS, UH, KNOWN AS THE SINGLE POINT URBAN INTERCHANGE.
WE TESTED IT A LITTLE BIT, BUT WE DIDN'T HAVE ENOUGH TIME TO FULLY TEST IT.
AND I DO THINK IT HAS SOME BENEFITS BECAUSE RIGHT NOW THE PARK BOULEVARD, DALLAS PARKWAY INTERSECTION, YOU KNOW, IT'S JUST, IT'S ONE, ONE PHASE AT A TIME, RIGHT? ONE MOVEMENT GOES, THEN THE OTHER THREE SIT THERE FOR, YOU KNOW, FOR OVER A MINUTE AND A HALF AND STUFF IN THE PREVENT PEAK HOURS.
SO SINGLE POINT URBAN INTERCHANGE ALLOWS ALL THOSE MOVEMENTS, THERE'S BASICALLY TWO PHASES.
SO TRAFFIC'S MOVING MORE, MORE TOGETHER FROM DIFFERENT DIRECTIONS AND STUFF.
SO A LITTLE TRAFFIC ENGINEERS, BUT THAT'S, THERE'S A LOT OF OPTIONS I THINK, ON THE TABLE STILL.
SO WHEN IT COMES TO HAVING, CALL IT REVERSIBLE LANES SO THAT YOU, YOU KNOW, YOU HAVE SEVEN LANES OF TRAFFIC AND FIVE CAN GO ONE DIRECTION AT ONE TIME AND TWO THE OTHER, AND THEN, YOU KNOW, AFTER AN EVENT IT MAY BE SIX IN ONE OR WHATEVER, RIGHT.
IS THERE A, WHAT WHAT'S THE EFFECT ON ROAD SAFETY IN THOSE SITUATIONS, UM, OUTSIDE OF ARENA EVENT TIMES OR, OR, YOU KNOW, I, I CAN VISUALIZE THE ROUTE I TAKE TO A GAME OF BALLPARK IN ARLINGTON.
ARLINGTON HAS A ROAD THAT'S SET UP THAT WAY.
AND IT ALWAYS, IT JUST KIND OF FREAKS ME OUT WHEN I'M ON THE ROAD.
'CAUSE IT'S LIKE, THERE, I'M ON BIGGER ROADWAYS, I'M USED TO CENTER MEDIANS.
I'M USED TO SEPARATION OF TRAFFIC.
AND SO JUST WHAT'S, WHAT'S THAT DO ON, YOU KNOW, TO ROAD SAFETY ON OUR, YOU KNOW, RANDOM TUESDAY AT, AT, YOU KNOW, THREE IN THE AFTERNOON WHEN THERE'S NOT A CENTER MEDIAN? YEAH, I THINK IT'S VERY GOOD QUESTION.
AND WE WOULD WANT THAT IF WE WERE TO DO ANY OF THESE TYPES OF, YOU KNOW, REMOVE THE MEDIAN.
WE WANT TO MINIMIZE THAT FOR THAT VERY REASON.
AND JUST ONCE, ONCE TRAFFIC IS FURTHER, FAR ENOUGH AWAY SOUTHBOUND, FOR INSTANCE, ON PLANO PARKWAY, GO BACK TO THE RAISED MEDIAN AND JUST PRIMARILY AT THE INTERSECTIONS THEMSELVES AND RIGHT AT PARK BOULEVARD AND DALLAS PARKWAY SOUTH, WHERE IF WE HAD THAT OPPORTUNITY, AND I'VE, I'VE SEEN IT WORK, UM, IN A LOT OF DIFFERENT CASES, BUT WE, YOU KNOW, THAT ALL THOSE, THOSE ARE THE DETAILS THAT HAVE TO GET THOUGHT THROUGH AND THINGS LIKE THAT.
BUT BY, BY NO MEANS ARE WE SUGGESTING REMOVAL OF ALL THE MEDIANS ALL ALONG THE FRONTAGE OF THE SITE ON NO, I GOTCHA.
SO, UM, SO THE NEXT QUESTION WAS, UM, YOU KNOW, WHY IS THE TRAFFIC STUDY NOT GOING FURTHER OUT THAN, THAN IT DID IN THE INITIAL PHASE? RIGHT? SO OUR TRAFFIC STUDY, UM, AGAIN, MIDWAY OR MARCH TO THE WEST, UH, PRESTON, PGBT PARKER, UM, WE MADE AN ESTIMATE, UH, WHEN WE DID THE DISTRIBUTION THAT YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT EARLIER.
UM, WE LOOK AT, UH, THE LIKELIHOOD OF THE AMOUNT OF TRIPS HITTING ANY INTERSECTION AND TRAFFIC DISPERSES AT YOU AS YOU GET AWAY FROM THE SITE.
AND THERE IS A POINT AT WHICH YOU MAKE THE DECISION THAT THE NUMBER OF TRIPS THAT IS ARRIVING AT THIS INTERSECTION IS NOT GONNA MAKE THAT MUCH OF A DIFFERENCE.
SO YOU, YOU WILL SEE IN OUR ANALYSIS THAT WE'RE, UM, ADDING, YOU KNOW, OFTENTIMES WE COUNT IN SECONDS OF DELAY.
SO BEFORE THE PROJECT, THERE WERE, I DON'T KNOW, 50 SECONDS OF DELAY.
AND AFTER THE PROJECT, THERE'S 53.
SO GOING BEYOND THAT INTERSECTION DOESN'T MAKE ANY
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SENSE BECAUSE THE IMPACTS ARE GONNA BE, UM, NOT NOTICEABLE.AND THEN NUMBER TWO, PROBABLY WITHIN THE NORMAL DAY-TO-DAY FLUCTUATIONS OF AN INTERSECTION.
SO WE, THOSE ARE, THAT IS OUR SORT OF THRESHOLD, UM, WHEN WE DO AN ANALYSIS.
AND SO WHEN WE SORT OF MOVE THIS INTO PHASE TWO, WE WILL LOOK AT THOSE INTERSECTIONS THAT ARE LIKELY STILL IMPACTED AND MAKE A DECISION, DO WE NEED TO GO FARTHER OUT? UM, JOHN WAS MENTIONING SOME INTERSECTIONS EARLIER, WHICH WE PROBABLY NEED TO ADD.
SO CLOSER TO PGPT DOWN BY, UM, DOWN BY PRESTON, UM, PLANO PARKWAY, UH, SORT OF THAT SOUTH, UH, EAST PART OF THE, THE STUDY AREA.
DO WE NEED TO GO FARTHER? I SAW A COMMENT THAT, DO WE NEED TO GO FARTHER NORTH, FARTHER NORTH THAN PARKER? UM, I'M NOT SURE BECAUSE OF THE IMPACTS, THE IMPACTS THAT WE IDENTIFIED ON PARKER, UM, WE'RE NOT THAT SIGNIFICANT.
SO YOU'RE NOT GONNA FIND ANYTHING AS YOU GO FARTHER AWAY FROM THE SITE, YOUR, YOUR IMPACTS ARE GONNA BE LESS AND LESS.
SO THAT'S HOW WE MAKE OUR DECISIONS.
SO THE, UM, THE NUMBER OF INTERSECTIONS WE STUDY WILL PROBABLY INCREASE.
'CAUSE WE MIGHT NEED TO STUDY MORE, FOR EXAMPLE, ON PRESTON.
'CAUSE WE JUST LOOKED AT, UM, PARKER PARK AND PARKER PARKER TO PARK.
UH, AND THERE ARE SEVERAL INTERSECTIONS IN BETWEEN.
SO, UM, WE WILL, WE WILL BE EXPANDING THE STUDY AREA, UM, AS WE MOVE INTO, JUST, ONE OF THE CLARIFYING THING IS THAT WHEN YOU LOOK AT SORT OF A GEOGRAPHIC MAP OF WHERE IMPACTS OCCUR, IF IMPACTS OCCURRING AT THE EDGE OF THE STUDY AREA, THAT TELLS YOU YOU NEED TO EXPAND THIS STUDY AREA, RIGHT? SO FOR INSTANCE, AT THE INTERSECTION OF PRESTON AND, UM, PARKER DELAY GOES UP, BUT IT ONLY GOES UP BY SEVERAL SECONDS, WHEREAS THE DELAY IS GOING UP BY 50, YOU KNOW, 60 SECONDS RIGHT NEAR THE SITE.
SO WE KNOW BY LOOKING AT THE EDGE OF THE STUDY AREA WHERE IT LIKELY NEEDS TO EXPAND AND WHERE DOES IT NEED TO EXPAND, PROBABLY TO THE SOUTHWEST OF THE AREA, UH, DOWN MIDWAY ROSEMEAD, THAT AREA.
AND THEN ALSO, LIKE WE MENTIONED AT PGBT AND PRESTON AND THE PRESTON PLANO PARKWAY INTERSECTION, AND MAYBE A COUPLE MORE AS WELL.
AND THEN DO Y'ALL FORESEE THE STUDY AREA EXPANDING, LIKE YOU JUST MENTIONED, LIKE DOWN NEAR, SAY, YOU KNOW, ROSEMEAD AND MIDWAY AND YOU KNOW, AROUND GEORGE BUSH, WELL, THAT'S OUTSIDE OF PLANO.
SO DO Y'ALL FORESEE FUTURE PORTIONS OF THE STUDY EXTENDING OUTSIDE OF PLANOS TO ENSURE THAT YOU'RE CAPTURING ALL INTERSECTIONS? GO AHEAD.
I MEAN, WE HAVE, WE HAVE SOME INTERSECTIONS THAT TOUCH CARROLLTON AND, AND THE CITY OF DALLAS AS YOU GET, AS YOU GET DOWN ON MIDWAY.
AS WE EXTEND OUT THAT DIRECTION.
YEAH, I, I JUST, I THINK THERE'S, THERE'S FOLKS THAT ARE CONCERNED THAT WE WERE LOOK LOOKING SOLELY IN PLANO AND, AND NOT OUT BEYOND.
SO I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT'S CLARIFIED.
UM, AND MY PARTNER WASN'T HERE, SO HE WAS SUPPOSED TO, UH, HELP ME OUT.
UM, SO THERE HAVE BEEN DISCUSSIONS REGARDING, UM, POTENTIAL GATES ON NEIGHBORHOODS, UM, WITHIN NEIGHBORHOODS, UM, PARTICULARLY MY NEIGHBORHOOD AND THE ATTACHED VILLAS, UM, AT GLEN MEADOWS, GLEN MEADOWS AND, AND WYNDHAM HILL.
UM, YOU KNOW, I, THERE WERE SOME THINGS IN Y'ALLS STUDY THAT, AND Y'ALL'S PRIOR PRESENTATION THAT POINTED TOWARDS, UM, CITIES HAVE HAD A GREAT SUCCESS WITH PUTTING UP SIGNS.
UM, YOU KNOW, I, I'M NOT SURE HOW MANY OTHER CITIES HAVE WALKS THAT ARE LITERALLY TWO MINUTES TO AN ARENA
UM, SO CAN Y'ALL JUST TALK ABOUT MAYBE HOW Y'ALL SEE THE EFFECTIVENESS OF GATES? UM, THAT WOULD BE, YOU KNOW, I THINK JUST PUT IT OUT THERE.
OUR, OUR CITY'S ASKED THE, OUR OUR NEIGHBORHOOD HAS ASKED THE CITY FOUR GATES.
UM, AND, YOU KNOW, WE'RE NOT ASKING TO BE A GATED NEIGHBORHOOD.
WE'RE ASKING FOR GATES IN AND AROUND THAT WOULD CLOSE IN AND AROUND EVENT TIMES OPEN UP AFTER THE EVENTS ARE OVER SO THAT WE DON'T HAVE PEOPLE PARKING IN OUR NEIGHBORHOODS.
PEOPLE CAN STILL GO OUT AND WALK THEIR DOG AND NOT HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT PEOPLE, UM, CUTTING THROUGH THE NEIGHBORHOOD OR, YOU KNOW, LOOKING TO PARK OR RUNNING STOP SIGNS TO GET TO THE, THE NEXT AVAILABLE FREE PARKING SITE WITHIN OUR NEIGHBORHOOD.
UM, SO CAN Y'ALL TALK ABOUT THE EFFECTIVENESS OF GATES AND WHETHER Y'ALL SEE THAT AS BEING VIABLE IN CERTAIN SITUATIONS? I THINK I CAN MAYBE FRAME IT AND YOU CAN ADD IN JOHN.
UM, WHAT WE STARTED TO DO IN PHASE ONE, AND WE'LL CONTINUE TO DO IN PHASE TWO IS, IS SEPARATE THE TWO
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DIFFERENT IMPACTS.SO YOU'VE GOT A, A CUT THROUGH SORT, A TRAFFIC IMPACT AND A PARKING IMPACT.
AND THERE ARE DIFFERENT TOOLS THAT WE USE FOR EACH ONE.
AND JUST AS WE DO IN THE TRAFFIC STUDY, WE'RE GONNA LAY OUT THE DIFFERENT TOOLS, UH, THAT, AND WE'LL WORK WITH THE CITY ON THIS BECAUSE THEY HAVE IDEAS AS WELL, UM, THAT WE CAN USE TO MITIGATE THOSE AND HOW EFFECTIVE THEY'LL BE AND HOW COSTLY THEY MIGHT BE.
UH, SO FOR EXAMPLE, FOR PARKING, FOR EXAMPLE, YOU COULD, YOU COULD USE GATES TO PREVENT ANYBODY COME FROM COMING IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD, BUT YOU COULD ALSO DO A RESIDENTIAL PERMIT PARKING PROGRAM, WHICH ALSO WITH ENFORCEMENT TAKES CARE OF THE PARKING.
IT MAY BE, DOESN'T TAKE CARE SO MUCH OF THE CUT THROUGH ISSUE.
UM, GATES ARE CERTAINLY EFFECTIVE AT PREVENTING PEOPLE FROM, FROM COMING IN WHEN THEY ARE USED.
THEY CAN BE PERMANENT, THEY CAN BE TEMPORARY.
UM, THEY CAN REQUIRE A, A PERSON IN A GUARD SHACK, THEY CAN BE AUTOMATED.
THERE'S, THERE'S DIFFERENT, UH, GATED SYSTEMS WITH DIFFERENT, UM, DIFFERENT KINDS OF EFFECTIVENESS.
UH, SO I GUESS I'M SAYING THAT I DON'T HAVE A SPECIFIC ANSWER TO YOUR QUESTION, BUT THAT ALL OF THE TOOLS THAT WE HAVE WILL BE, UM, EVALUATED WITH RESPECT TO THEIR POTENTIAL EFFECTIVENESS, THEIR, THEIR POTENTIAL COST, AND THEN, YOU KNOW, WHAT IT WOULD TAKE TO OPERATE AND MAINTAIN THEM.
MAYBE, IF I COULD JUST, WHAT, WHAT KIND OF TOOLS DID DO YOU USE TO KEEP TRAFFIC FROM JUST COMING FROM PLANO PARKWAY TO PARK THROUGH THE NEIGHBORHOOD? WE HAD TWO OR THREE OF THOSE ROADS THAT I GUARANTEE YOU THEY'RE ALREADY DOING IT.
WHAT DO YOU USUALLY DO TO MITIGATE THAT AND KEEP PEOPLE FROM SPEEDING AS THEY GO THROUGH THERE? LIKE ON VENTURA? I MEAN, THAT'S GOTTA BE A 70 TO 75 MILE PER HOUR STREET DOWN TO GET TO CRUNCH TO WORK OUT.
SO JUST CURIOUS, WHAT DO Y'ALL USUALLY DO? SO, I'LL FIRST MENTION AGAIN, THE CITY ALREADY HAS A NEIGHBORHOOD TRAFFIC MANAGEMENT PROGRAM TO, TO ALLEVIATE CUT THROUGH TRAFFIC THROUGH ALL THROUGH ALL PLANO.
AND IN THAT TRAFFIC MANAGEMENT PROGRAM, THERE ARE A SET OF TOOLS, UM, THAT INCLUDE THINGS LIKE, UM, MEDIAN DIVERTERS OR UH, SPEED HUMPS, THOSE SORT OF THINGS WHICH HAVE A DUAL ROLL.
UM, SOME OF THEM ARE, ARE USED SIMPLY AS SPEED REDUCTION MEASURES.
AND SOME OF THEM ARE VOLUME REDUCTION MEASURE MEASURES, AND THEY HAVE DIFFERENT KINDS OF EFFECTIVENESS.
UM, BECAUSE YOUR QUESTION HAS TWO DIFFERENT ELEMENTS.
IT'S, IT'S THE AMOUNT OF TRAFFIC, BUT IT'S THE SPEED OF THAT TRAFFIC.
AND SO AS A TRAFFIC ENGINEER, I WANNA TREAT THOSE TWO DIFFERENT SYMPTOMS DIFFERENTLY POTENTIALLY.
AND THERE'S DIFFERENT TOOLS FOR EACH, BUT I JUST MENTIONED A COUPLE TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION.
UM, TOOLS THAT ARE IN THE TOOLBOX, IF YOU WILL, THAT WE CAN APPLY TO STREETS, RADAR SPEED FEEDBACK, SIGNS ENFORCEMENT.
IF I CAN JUST SAY, AND THIS IS WHERE IT WAS, AS WE TALKED ABOUT LAST NIGHT, PERFORMANCE STANDARDS COME IN BECAUSE IF THE, THE ULTIMATE PHASE STUDY CONCLUDES THIS IS WHAT WE EXPECT IN NEIGHBORHOOD X IN TERMS OF ANY SORT OF CUT THROUGH TRAFFIC YOU WERE MENTIONING BILL, AND THEN IT GETS MONITORED AND SURVEYED AND OH, IT'S, IT'S MORE THAN THAT, OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT OCCURS, THEN THAT COULD TRIGGER STRATEGY A AND THEN STRATEGY B, WHICH EACH BEING A LITTLE BIT MORE INTRUSIVE, SORT OF, YOU KNOW, A LITTLE BIT MORE, UM, IMPACTFUL SO TO SPEAK.
AND GATES OFTENTIMES ARE SORT OF, THIS IS THE MOST IMPACTFUL YOU CAN'T GET THROUGH, RIGHT? IT'S LITERALLY YOU CAN'T GET THROUGH.
BUT THE, WITH THE GATES COMES QUESTIONS TOO, THOUGH.
THEY HAVE QUESTIONS OF, WELL, WHO'S, WHO'S IN CHARGE OF PUTTING THEM DOWN, PUTTING THEM UP? HOW DO NEIGHBORHOODS NEIGHBORS GET IN? HOW DO THEY GET OUT? EMERGENCY VEHICLE RESPONSE IF SOMEBODY'S TURNED AROUND, LIKE IF SOMEBODY GETS TURNED AWAY, YOU DON'T WANT THEM BACKING INTO COMMUNICATIONS PARKWAY AND THINGS LIKE THAT.
SO IT, THERE ARE SOME THINGS WOULD NEED TO BE WORKED OUT AS PART OF THAT, BUT THAT'S TO ME WHERE I THINK THE PERFORMANCE STANDARDS COMES IN.
AND THEN IT'S SORT OF THE BELT AND SUSPENDERS AS I LIKE TO SAY, OF WE WE'RE NOT GONNA TOLERATE THIS CUT THROUGH TRAFFIC OR ANY OTHER THINGS LIKE THAT.
HERE'S CURRENT CONDITIONS AND HERE'S WHAT WILL HAPPEN AFTER THE PROJECT IS BUILT, WE PREDICT.
AND IF IT'S MORE THAN THAT, THAT TRIGGERS IMPROVEMENT.
A IF THAT DOESN'T WORK, THEN B AND THEN ALL THE WAY DOWN THE LINE.
ALL I GOT FOR, THAT'S IT FOR TRAFFIC.
THAT'S IT FOR TRAFFIC, UNLESS ANYBODY ELSE ON THE COMMITTEE HAS OTHER QUESTION.
I THINK THERE'S GONNA BE NEIGHBORHOOD CONSERVATION.
SO I LIVE ON PARK MEADOW LANE, WHICH IS ABOUT 150 YARDS FROM WILLIN.
IT'S LIKE A TWO MINUTE WALK OR LESS.
AND TRAFFIC IS PROBABLY THE NUMBER ONE QUESTION THAT
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WE HAVE.IT'S AN HOA WITH 59 HOMES DOWN ONE STREET, BUT EVERYBODY IS VERY CONCERNED ABOUT TRAFFIC AND SAFETY.
SO IN ADDITION TO SOME OF THE THINGS THAT WERE MENTIONED, UM, OUR EXPECTATIONS IS TO HAVE RESIDENT PARKING ONLY SIGNS, UH, VIOLATORS WILL BE TOWED.
AND THAT SHOULD CUT DOWN ON A LOT OF THE CUT THROUGHS.
IF IT ALSO HAPPENED, YOU KNOW, IN, UH, JEFF'S NEIGHBORHOOD.
'CAUSE JEFF IS IN THE BIG GLEN MEADOWS AND WE'RE IN THE GLEN MEADOWS VILLAS.
SO WE ARE THINKING OF THINGS LIKE THIS, BUT WE NEED PEOPLE TO SPEAK OUT SO THAT, YOU KNOW, UM, IT'S NOT, IT'S NOT EASY TO CHANGE SOMETIMES, UH, JUST TO GET SAGE AND WHY DOES THIS STREET HAVE IT, BUT THREE STREETS AWAY CAN'T HAVE IT.
SO THIS IS GONNA BE A BATTLE, I THINK.
WELL, I'LL, I'LL TELL YOU ONE THING WE DID LEARN QUITE A BIT WITH THE CITY OF ARLINGTON IS HOW THEY REGULATE THE NO PARKING LONG STREETS DURING EVENTS.
UM, THEY'VE BEEN REALLY SUCCESSFUL WITH SIGNAGE, UM, AND ACTUALLY HAVING ACTIVE TOWING OCCURRING.
UM, SO THAT IS DEFINITELY SOMETHING THAT, UM, I WILL SAY, UH, THE SIGNAGE PIECE OF IT IS SOMETHING THAT WE ARE, WE FULLY EXPECT THAT WE WILL BE DOING.
UM, SO I, I HOPE THAT GIVES YOU A LITTLE BIT MORE COMFORT THAT IN THAT PIECE OF IT, THAT IS AN EASY, THAT IS AN EASY WAY FOR US TO HELP REGULATE THE NO PARKING ON THE, UM, ON THE STREETS.
AND WE HAVE A PROGRAM THAT ACTUALLY EVALUATES THAT, UH, TODAY, TODAY FOR, UM, JUST GENERALLY IN THE CITY.
WELL, DOUG, IF THERE IS EFFECTIVE AS THE STOP SIGNS IN OUR NEIGHBORHOOD
ALRIGHT, I THINK THAT WE HAVE ZACH TAX, UH, WAS ONE OF OUR CONSULTANTS WHO, WHO IS NOT HERE THIS EVENING.
UH, SO JUST A COUPLE OF THE QUESTIONS THAT CAME FROM ZACH THAT THAT KIND OF HAVE TO DO WITH NEIGHBORHOOD CONSERVATION AND SUSTAINABILITY.
UH, WHAT WOULD BE THE SHORT TERM AND LONG TERM IMPACT ON RESIDENTIAL PROPERTY TAX RELATING TO THIS PROJECT? NO, I APPRECIATE THE QUESTION FROM THE PUBLIC.
UM, SO WE HAVE TWO PRESENTATIONS THAT WERE ONLINE THAT WE PROVIDED TO YOU ALL AND KIND OF THE, THE VALUATIONS AND WHAT'S BEEN LOOKED AT FROM A, UM, KIND OF COMPARISON STANDPOINT.
UM, WE'VE TAKEN YOUR GUIDANCE AND RECOMMENDATIONS ON EVEN CHANGING SOME OF THOSE SITES TO LOOK AT THINGS A LITTLE BIT MORE COMPARABLE TO WHAT YOU FEEL, UH, THE WILLOW BEND SITE WOULD BE.
UM, WE DO HAVE SOME MORE INFORMATION COMING TO YOU ALL, UH, THOSE ADDITIONS.
SO THAT IS FORTHCOMING, UH, ON LOOKING AT THE ADDITIONAL SITES UP IN ALEXANDRIA, UM, THE SITE OUT IN SEATTLE, AND THEN AS YOUR RECENT MEETING, UM, COLIN CREEK LOOKING AT, AT AS, AS AN ASPECT OF IT AS WELL.
UM, WHAT THE ZAC FOLKS HAVE, HAVE COME TO CONCLUSION THAT THERE IS A, UM, THE, THE VALUATIONS THEY'VE SEEN FROM VENUES OPENING UP HAS HAD AN INCREASE IN VALUATIONS OF RESIDENTIAL PROPERTIES, UM, SURROUNDING SITES OF THIS NATURE.
UM, IT'S KIND OF A UNIQUE DIFFERENCE IN TERMS OF THE VALUATION OF THE HOME, WHETHER THAT BE A, UM, UH, A LARGER VALUE HOME COMPARED TO A KINDA MORE MODERATE, UH, OR LOWER VALUE HOME THAT THEY HAVE SEEN A, A GENERALLY, UH, SLOWER INCREASE IN THE LARGER VALUE HOMES.
YOU SEE LESS, UH, TEAR DOWNS AND YOU WOULD SEE OTHER, UH, AREAS, UH, THAT HAVE EXPERIENCED KIND OF A LARGER TRANSITION.
UM, THAT STUDY WILL BE POSTED ON, ON OUR WEBSITE AND PROVIDED TO THIS, THIS, UH, COMMITTEE AS WELL.
THIS IS ONE OF THE PIECES I THINK, UM, THAT WE WILL BE BRINGING BACK TO YOU ALL KIND OF A SPECIAL CALL MEETING WITH YOU ALL ON THIS PIECE OF IT BECAUSE THERE'S BEEN SO MUCH INTEREST, UM, AND GUIDANCE FROM YOU ALL TO HELP REFINE THESE RECOMMENDATIONS AND TO LOOK AT OTHER SITES TO MAKE SURE WE'RE CLEARLY LOOKING AT IMPACTS OF AN ARENA TYPE DEVELOPMENT IN A NEIGHBORHOOD TYPE SETTING.
UM, SO, UH, THE INFORMATION WE HAVE RIGHT NOW IS THAT IT, IT, THEY HAVE NOT SEEN FROM, FROM VALUATION STANDPOINT, UH, VALUATIONS DECREASE, UH, THEY HAVE SEEN 'EM ACTUALLY INCREASE AND THEN AT THE HIGHER VALUE HOMES WOULD INCREASE MORE GRADUALLY RATHER THAN A LARGER JUMP, UH, UH, ONCE THE ARENA OPENS UP.
BUT THE QUESTION WE ALSO ASKED WAS, WE WANTED TO UNDERSTAND WHAT HAPPENS IF WE HAVE A DEAD MALL MM-HMM
WHAT HAPPENS TO OUR PROPERTY VALUES AROUND WILLA BEND? DO THEY DECREASE DRAMATICALLY? AND THAT WAS ONE THING THAT FAST TAX WAS GOING TO LOOK INTO.
SO THEY ARE PULLING, UH, THE CAD DATA TODAY, UM, AND ACTUALLY LOOKING AT COL CREEK USING THE VALUATIONS OF A, OF A COL CREEK BEFORE IT CLOSED DURING THE CLOSURE.
UM, AND NOW AT TODAY'S TIME PERIOD WHERE YOU'VE SEEN SOME, UH, INFILL OCCUR ON THE PROPERTY, UH, THERE IS SOME, A RESIDENTIAL ADJACENCY TO THAT, UH, THAT WILL GET A, PROVIDE A GOOD KIND OF A CLARIFICATION, VALUATION COMPARISON STANDPOINT.
BUT THAT IS THAT SECOND PIECE THAT IS COMING BACK TO YOU ALL IS LOOKING AT THE COL CREEK SIDE AS A MORE LOCAL EXAMPLE, AN EXAMPLE OF A MALL GETTING TO THE POINT OF DISTRESS WHERE, UM, IT, UH, POTENTIALLY COULD HAVE EFFECTIVE VALUATIONS.
I DON'T KNOW FOR SURE UNTIL WE WILL GET THAT INFORMATION TO BE ABLE TO PROVIDE TO YOU ALL TO KIND OF SEE WHAT THE, THE VALUATIONS DO SHOW KIND OF THE SECOND, SECOND QUESTION, UH, GEAR TOWARDS,
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UH, NEIGHBORHOOD CONSERVATION.IT COMES ABOUT, IT'S TALKING ABOUT THE SPORTS VENUES.
IT SAYS, ARE THE COMPARABLE SPORTS VENUES USED FOR THE STUDY IN EXISTING NEIGHBORHOODS WITH 1 MILLION, UH, DOLLAR PLUS HOMES WITHIN ONE TO THREE MILES? I FIND IT HARD TO BELIEVE THAT NONE OF THE ARENAS NEGATIVELY IMPACTED HOME VALUES UNLESS THEY WERE ALL LOWER VALUE RESIDENCES TO BEGIN WITH.
YEAH, AND THAT'S, THAT'S ONE OF THE THINGS, AS Y'ALL REMEMBER, UM, WHEN WE BROUGHT THIS, THIS KIND OF STUDY FOR YOU ALL, THIS WAS A STUDY THAT ACTUALLY, UH, ORIGINATED FROM THE OUTREACH WE HAD AT THE WILLOW BEND MALL INITIALLY, WAS THE CONCERNS THAT EVALUATIONS DECREASE.
THERE WAS THE OPPOSITE CONCERN THAT VALUATION IS GONNA INCREASE, UM, KIND OF THE, THE, THE FULL SPECTRUM OF, OF CHANGE.
SO WE WANTED TO LEAST SHOW, HEY, THIS IS WHAT THE DATA IS TELLING US FROM, FROM VALUATIONS OF, OF RESIDENTIAL AREAS, UH, IN DIFFERENT AREAS OF THE COUNTRY.
UH, I THINK WE TOOK Y'ALL'S GUIDANCE ON, UH, WHAT IS THESE APPROPRIATE SITES AND WE REMOVED SOME OF THE SITES AND, AND BRING ON SOME DIFFERENT, DIFFERENT SITES.
WE ARE LOOKING AT THIS LAST PRESENTATION WITH ZT TEXT DID TAKE A LOOK AT THE VALUATIONS AND ACTUALLY PULLING THOSE APART, WHAT WOULD BE LOOKING AT KIND OF A HIGHER END, UH, INCOME, UH, UH, UH, EFFECT TO HELPING HOUSE VALUES COMPARED TO A MORE MODERATELY OR LOWER THAT MAY HAVE THAT, THAT, UM, MORE RIPENESS FOR REDEVELOPMENT OR TEAR DOWN.
UM, SO THAT HAS BEEN PRESENTED TO YOU ALL TO KIND OF SEE WHAT THE, THE DIFFERENCE OF THAT, UH, THAT ASPECT OF IT.
BUT THIS IS SOMETHING THAT'S, UM, AS YOU SAW LAST NIGHT AT THE COUNCIL, UH, SOME DISCUSSIONS ON THE, THE, UH, COMPARISON SITES AND CITIES.
UH, WE, WE WILL TAKE YOUR INPUT, UM, AND THAT'S, WE, WE CONTINUE TO REFINE THAT, UH, TO MAKE SURE THAT WE PROVIDE, UM, AS CLOSE AS A COMPARISON AS POSSIBLE.
THERE'S NEVER A A ONE-TO-ONE COMPARISON.
UM, BUT OUR, OUR INTENT IS TO TRY TO FIND CHARACTERISTICS THAT HAVE VERY SIMILAR, UH, CHARACTERISTICS OF A WILL BEND AND BEING MORE AUTO ORIENTED, BEING MORE IN A SUBURBAN SETTING, UM, BEING, YOU KNOW, WHETHER IT'S A A A POPULATION OF, OF A HUNDRED THOUSAND OR POPULATION OF 300,000, IT'S GONNA HAVE THE SAME EFFECTS.
THE, THE STADIUM WOULD BE ON VALUATION.
SO, UM, THAT WAS OUR INTENT OF TRYING TO, TO LOCATE, UM, MORE COMPARABLE SITES, UH, FOR THIS ANALYSIS.
AND AGAIN, THE PURPOSE OF THIS ANALYSIS WAS JUST TO BE ABLE TO SAY, THIS IS WHAT THE DATA IS, IS, IS SHOWING ACROSS THE COUNTRY, KNOWING THAT THE CONCERNS ARE BOTH ON BOTH SIDES OF THE SPECTRUM OF VALUATION DECREASE AND INCREASE.
UH, WHAT IS THE QUALITY SLASH VALUE OF EXISTING RESIDENTIAL AND PROXIMITY TO THE COMPARABLE SPORTS ARENAS SLASH NEIGHBORHOODS? YEAH, AND THAT'S, THAT'S A, UH, THE, THE, THE COMMENT ABOUT QUALITY IS A, IS A, A MORE CHALLENGING THING TO PUT NUMBERS TO.
UM, EVERYONE HAS DIFFERENT OPINIONS ON WHAT QUALITY IS.
SO WE, THE SECOND SET OF, UH, ANALYSIS THAT Z TAX HAS DONE FOR YOU ALL LOOKED AT THE VALUATIONS, JUST THE, THE, THE VALUES OF THE HOME AS KIND OF THE, THE QUALIFYING, UH, UH, FACTOR OF, OF QUALITY.
UM, AND SO AS I MENTIONED, UH, THE, UH, THE STUDY AREAS WE LOOKED AT, LOOKED AT WHERE WERE THERE MORE COMPARABLE SITES, I THINK WE ACTUALLY TOOK FROM Y'ALL'S, UH, DIRECTION, I BELIEVE AS, UH, MA AND, AND, AND JEFF AND, AND AND JILL GETTING A MORE GRANULAR LOOK AT THAT KIND OF, UH, TAKING THEM THAT FIRST MILE AND ACTUALLY DOING EVEN CLOSER TO THE FIRST MILE AND SEE THE VALUATIONS.
THAT'S THE OTHER PIECE THAT IS COMING TO YOU ALL.
UH, IN ADDITION TO THE COLLIN CREEK SIDE AND THE ALEXANDRIA SIDE, UM, IS LOOKING AT MORE OF A MICRO LEVEL OF THE HOMES THAT ARE WALKING DISTANCE, UH, TO THE SITE AND WHAT THE VALUATIONS OF THAT.
SO THAT IS SOMETHING WE'RE CONTINUING TO LOOK AT IN TERMS OF THE, THE QUALITY AND VALUATION OF HOMES, UH, BEING A UNIQUE CHARACTERISTIC OF THE SITE.
AND THE FINAL QUESTION HERE IS, UH, WHAT WOULD, WHAT WOULD THE IMPACT BE ON THE HOME VALUES THAT THE WILLOW BEND DISTRICT WAS REDEVELOPED BUT WITHOUT THE STARS ARENA? YOU KNOW, THAT'S A GREAT QUESTION.
AND I DON'T KNOW IF THEY WERE LISTENING TO MR. MR. PASCAL, UH, DURING THE, THE, UH, INITIAL DISCUSSIONS, BUT THIS WAS, THIS IS THE EDITION SITE WE BROUGHT ONTO THE COMPARISON.
UM, THE ALEXANDRIA SITE THAT, UH, YOU ALL HAVE REFERENCED WAS A SITE THAT WAS, UM, UH, BEING DEVELOPED AND WAS GOING AFTER AN ARENA, AND THE ARENA DID NOT HAPPEN.
AND SO THERE'S A SITE FOR THE ARENA THAT MAKES YOU DEVELOPMENT HAS DEVELOPED AROUND IT, UH, THAT HAS BEEN A LITTLE BIT MORE DIFFICULT TO GET THE DATA FROM, FROM, UH, FROM ALEXANDRIA.
UH, BUT WE ARE, WE ARE NOW GOT A BIG CHUNK OF DATA THAT THEY'RE, THE CONSULTANTS BE WORKING ON.
SO AGAIN, THIS IS, THIS IS THE PIECE I THINK WE'LL COME BACK TO YOU ALL.
I THINK IT'S A GREAT IDEA IN COMPARISON TO LOOKING AT WHAT WOULD BE THE, THE IMPACTS, UM, OF A, UM, A SITE THAT WAS INTENDED TO HAVE AN ARENA OR A, A VENUE THAT DID NOT HAPPEN AND WHAT, WHAT WERE THE EFFECTS OF THE VALUATIONS.
SO WE'LL BE BRINGING THAT BACK TO YOU AS WELL.
AND, AND FINALLY, DOUG, UH, DO, DO YOU HAVE A DATE, APPROXIMATE DATE WHEN THEY'LL HAVE THIS INFORMATION TO, UH, PRESENT BACK TO THE COMMITTEE? I, I DON'T, I WISH WE DID.
UM, BUT WE WILL GET THAT ONTO Y'ALL IN PLENTY IN ADVANCE, SO THAT WAY YOU ALL HAVE TIME TO MAKE ADJUSTMENTS TO, FOR YOUR CALENDARS AND THE PUBLIC HAS THE ABILITY TO, TO COME HERE AND OBVIOUSLY WE'LL BE RECORDING IT AS WELL.
BUT THAT IS, UH, THAT IS REALLY DEPENDENT ON, UM, THE, THE COUNTIES THAT WE'RE REQUESTING INFORMATION AND TO BE ABLE TO, TO GET THE DATA IN TIME.
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HOW WILL THE, UH, PROJECT BE FUNDED? CAN YOU GIVE US SPECIFIC BREAKDOWNS AS TO THE FUNDING SOURCES? SURE.UM, SO THERE'S KIND OF THREE BUCKETS I WOULD, UH, KIND OF DESCRIBE 'EM IN TERMS OF KIND OF THE WATERFALL OF, OF FUNDING MECHANISM.
UM, WE HAVE THE TURS, UH, DISTRICT, THE, UH, THE BOUNDARY, THE TURS THAT ENCOMPASSES THE WILLOW BEND AREA AS WELL AS THE, THE BOUNDARIES ALONG THE TOLLWAY NORTH AND SOUTH, UM, THAT IS INTENDED TO, TO GENERATE 1.6 BILLION OVER THE DURATION OF THAT 41 YEARS.
UM, WE ALSO HAVE THE VENUE TAXES, AND AGAIN, THAT IS SOMETHING THAT IS SUBJECT TO, UH, TO VOTER AUTHORITY.
UM, AND SO WE HAVE PROVIDED THE ESTIMATE ABOUT BETWEEN 700 AND 900 MILLION THAT WOULD COME IN OVER THE 30 YEAR PERIOD.
UM, THE CAVEAT TO THAT ONE IS THAT, UH, THAT IS REALLY BASED ON BONDS AND THE DEBT.
SO IF WE PAY OFF DEBT EARLY, UM, THE VENUE TAXES WOULD GO AWAY.
THEY'RE ACTUALLY TIED TO THE DEBT OF THE ARENA.
SO, UM, BUT LOOKING AT FROM A FULL 30 YEAR PERIOD, THOSE WOULD BE THE ESTIMATES.
UM, THE STATE AUTHORIZATION FOR THE, UH, THE PUBLIC FINANCE ZONE IS AN ESTIMATE.
WE ARE WORKING RIGHT NOW WITH OUR, UM, OUR SENATORS, UH, SENATOR, UH, HERE TO GET AN ESTIMATE TO BE ABLE TO HATE THAT BEFORE, DURING THE, UH, LEGISLATIVE SESSION.
WE DON'T HAVE AN ESTIMATE FOR THAT AT THAT AT THIS TIME, BUT IT IS SOMETHING WE ARE WORKING WITH OUR STATE REPRESENTATIVES AND, AND STATE SENATOR ON.
IN FOLLOW UP TO THAT, IF THE TURS, UH, DOESN'T GENERATE THE INCREMENTAL, UM, TAX REVENUE, THEN WHO MAKES THE SHORTFALL? WE MAKES THAT FOR THAT SHORTFALL.
I'M GONNA HAVE OUR BOND COUNCIL AND JP MORGAN COME UP HERE ON THAT ONE.
I KNOW WE'VE, THIS IS ONE THAT HAS, UM, PIECES TO IT THAT I WANNA MAKE SURE IS CLEARLY UNDERSTOOD.
UH, COOPER ANDERSON WITH MCCALL PARKERSON HORTON, THE CITY'S BOND COUNCIL FIRM, UH, WITH RESPECT TO A SHORTFALL.
SO THESE ARE, THESE ARE GOING TO BE SPECIAL REVENUE BONDS, AND SO THEY WILL BE STRUCTURED SO THAT THE BONDS ARE ONLY PAYABLE FROM THE REVENUES GENERATED IN THE TURS OR FROM THE VENUE TAXES IF APPROVED, COLLECTED.
AND SO THERE'LL BE NO OBLIGATION OF THE CITY TO OTHERWISE, UH, PAY FOR A SHORTFALL.
AND, UH, UH, RET CAN TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THIS, BUT I THINK WHEN THE BONDS ARE PRICED AND WHEN THEY'RE SOLD, UH, PROSPECTIVE PURCHASERS WILL, UH, THEY WILL UNDERSTAND THE RISKS ASSOCIATED WITH THAT.
AND SO THE INTEREST RATE AND THE PRICING WILL REFLECT THAT, UH, NUANCE BRADY WITH JP MORGAN.
WHEN WE MARKET THE BONDS, WE'LL MAKE IT VERY CLEAR THAT IT'S NOT AN OBLIGATION OF CITY OF PLANO.
IT'S AN OBLIGATION OF THE TURS AND THE PROJECT.
SO I'VE GOT A FOLLOW UP ON THAT.
WHAT'S IN Y'ALL'S EXPERIENCE? WHAT'S BEEN THE IMPACT, OR IF YOU HAVE EXPERIENCED A, A BOND NOT BEING REPAID BY AN A, A CITY OR ANOTHER MUNICIPALITY, WHAT'S BEEN THE IMPACT BACK TO THE CITY? NOT ON THAT PARTICULAR BOND, BUT JUST ON THE REPUTATION TO THE CITY AND, AND HOW IT COULD AFFECT FUTURE BOND OFFERINGS, THAT SORT OF THING.
THIS MIGHT ACTUALLY, UH, BE, I HAVEN'T SEEN MANY, I'VE SEEN ONE INSTANCE WHERE A CITY FAILED TO MAKE ONE DEBT SERVICE PAYMENT, BUT, UH, LAURA, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU WANNA SPEAK ABOUT THIS FROM, UH, LIKE A CITY CREDIT OR RATING AGENCY PERSPECTIVE? SORRY.
YEAH, YOU GIVE ME THE EASY ONES.
HI, I AM LAURA ALEXANDER WITH HILLTOP SECURITIES, WHERE THE CITY'S FINANCIAL ADVISOR IN TERMS OF POTENTIAL BACKLASH TO THE CITY.
I MEAN, WE DO DISCLOSE IF THERE'S EVER BEEN A DEFAULT.
UM, I THINK IT WOULD BE VERY CLEAR THAT THIS IS A SPECIAL OBLIGATION AND THAT THERE WOULD NOT BE ANY IMPLICATION TO THE CITY OF THE CITY'S AAA RATING OR HOW YOUR GEO BONDS TRADE IN THE MARKET.
UM, MOSTLY BECAUSE OF THE DISCLOSURE THAT WE WOULD'VE DONE ON THE FRONT END AS RHETT AND COOPER WERE LOOTING IN THE OFFERING DOCUMENT FOR THESE BONDS, THE REVENUE BONDS THAT IS, UM, IT WOULD BE VERY CLEAR THAT THESE ARE DISTINCT AND SEPARATE SECURITIES AND THAT, THAT THEY WOULD HAVE NO RECOURSE TO THE CITY.
SO THE REPUTATIONAL PIECE IS REALLY HOW GOOD A JOB DO WE DO.
MAKING SURE EVERYBODY UNDERSTOOD THAT ON THE FRONT END.
AND I, I THINK THAT WOULD CERTAINLY BE OUR OBJECTIVE.
WITH THE SHORT TERM MOTOR VEHICLE TAX, UP TO 5% BE APPLIED TO CAR RENTALS ASSOCIATED WITH LOCAL DEALERSHIPS, REPAIR SHOPS CUSTOMERS WHILE HAVING THEIR OWN VEHICLES REPAIRED, SERVICED, THIS IS, UM, THE ONLY TIME SOME RESIDENTS DO RENT CARS VERSUS THE VISITORS THAT COME INTO TOWN? YEAH, NO, GREAT QUESTION.
I APPRECIATE THE, UH, THE CITIZENS PROVIDE THIS QUESTION.
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US TO DO A LITTLE BIT MORE RESEARCH TOO.UM, SO IF YOU, UH, IF THE VEHICLE YOU DRIVE WHILE THE VEHICLE IS BEING REPAIRED IS A RENTAL, THE GUIDANCE WE'VE HAD FROM THE TEXAS COMPTROLLER IS THAT IT WOULD BE SUBJECT, UH, TO THE SHORT TERM MOTOR VEHICLE TAX.
HOWEVER, IF THE VEHICLE IS LOANED TO YOU BY A DEALERSHIP THAT OWNS THE VEHICLE, THEN THERE'S NO RENTAL FEE OR RENTAL AGREEMENT AND THE SHORT TERM RENTAL MOTOR VEHICLE RENTAL TAX WILL NOT APPLY.
UM, WHEN IT COMES TO THE 2% HOTEL TAX, UH, IN PLANO, DOES IT APPLY TO ALL HOTELS? IT WOULD, IT WOULD BE CITYWIDE A 2% INCREASE? YES, MA'AM.
COUPLE OF FOLLOW UPS AND SOME NEW QUESTIONS.
UH, CIRCLING BACK TO THE, TO A POTENTIAL DEFAULT SCENARIO, TO MY UNDERSTANDING, AS WE'VE DISCUSSED, THESE ARE COLLATERALIZED BASED ON THE PROJECTIONS OF TAX RECEIPTS WITHIN INSIDE OF THE TURS FROM BUSINESSES THAT ARE THERE, THE ARENA ITSELF IS NOT COLLATERALIZED.
SO IN THE EVENT OF DEFAULT, THE ARENA WOULDN'T A LIEN PUT AGAINST IT BCS? OKAY.
THE, THE ARENA WOULD NOT BE COLLATERALIZED.
THE ONLY SECURITY FOR THE REPAYMENT OF THE BONDS WOULD BE FUNDS DEPOSITED FROM THE COLLECTION, OFTS REVENUES AND OR VENUE TAXES DEPOSITED INTO A SPECIAL PROJECT FUND THAT WILL SECURE THE PAYMENT OF THE BONDS.
THERE'LL BE NO OTHER SECURITY FOR THE BONDS.
AND, YOU KNOW, R KINDA LIKE WE TALKED ABOUT LAST TIME FROM THE MULTIFAMILY WORLD, USING A-D-S-C-R RATE, YOU KNOW, MODEL, HOW DO YOU ALL MODEL THE FUTURE TAX RECEIPTS? 'CAUSE WE HAVE A LOT OF MATURE BUSINESSES THAT ARE INSIDE OF THIS.
TS ARE WE, I'M SURE IT'S IN THE PROSPECTUS, BUT WILL WE SEE TWO POINT A HALF PERCENT ANNUALIZED INCREASED GROWTH? WHAT ARE WE LOOKING AT AND HOW DO WE MODEL THOSE? THAT'S A GREAT QUESTION.
UM, THAT'S WHY WE'VE ENGAGED OUTSIDE CONSULTANTS.
ELEVATE IS LOOKING AT THE VENUE TAX PIECE OF IT, AND CONCORD WILL BE LOOKING AT THE TURS DEVELOPMENT PIECE.
WE WANNA MAKE SURE THAT WE HAVE OUTSIDE CONSULTANTS WITH, UH, DEEP KNOWLEDGE OF HOW THAT VENUE TAX CAN BE GENERATED, WHAT TRUE EVENT NIGHTS WE'RE LOOKING AT.
AND THEN ALSO MAKING SURE THAT FROM A, UH, DEVELOPMENT STANDPOINT WITHIN THET, THAT WE FEEL COMFORTABLE THAT THE SCHEDULE THAT'S BEEN PROVIDED BY THE DEVELOPER ACTUALLY IS ACTIONABLE AND IS SOMETHING THAT, YOU KNOW, INVESTORS CAN BASE A BELIEF UPON.
SO WE WILL NOT REALLY DO THE ACTUAL MODELING OF THAT.
WE WILL HAVE OUR CONSULTANTS DO IT.
WE'LL THEN TAKE THAT, WE'LL PLUG IT INTO OUR FINANCIAL MODEL.
WE'LL LOOK AT VARIOUS SCENARIOS, UPSIDE DOWNSIDE SCENARIOS TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'VE GOT A GOOD BASIS.
WE WILL DISCLOSE ALL OF THAT TO INVESTORS.
THEY WILL MAKE A JUDGMENT BASED UPON THE INFORMATION THAT WE PROVIDED, WHAT THEY THINK THE APPROPRIATE INTEREST RATE IS.
UH, DOUG, THIS IS ONE'S LIKELY FOR YOU.
WHY IS THE CITY PAYING FOR DEMO COSTS AND WHAT ARE THE BENEFITS TO THE CITY FOR PAYING FOR THAT? YEAH, NO, UH, SO DEMOLITION IS ONE OF THOSE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT TOOLS THAT WE USE, UH, THROUGHOUT THE CITY.
UM, WE'VE DONE A NUMBER OF DEMOLITION GRANTS, UH, FOR ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT PURPOSES TO REMOVE BLIGHTED OR TO VACANT BUILDINGS, UM, AND HELP TO REVITALIZATION OF THAT.
UM, IN THIS PARTICULAR CASE, UH, THERE IS AN OBLIGATION FROM THE, UH, DEVELOPER TO ACTUALLY BUILD, UM, A NEW VISITOR CENTER FOR THE CITY.
THE CITY RIGHT NOW LEASES SPACE AT LEGACY WEST.
UM, LONG TERM FOR KIND OF THE OPERATIONS, THE BUSINESS OPERATIONS FROM THE VISITOR CENTER SIDE, UM, THE OBLIGATION WOULD BE THAT THE DEVELOPER WOULD HAVE TO BUILD THE SPACE FOR THE CITY AND PROVIDE, UH, RENT FREE RENT, UH, FOR UP TO 10 YEARS.
UH, FOR THE BUSINESS THAT ARE COMPLEX, IT ALLOWS US TO CONTINUE TO HAVE, UM, THE, UH, TOURISM ASPECT KIND OF PLUGGED INTO THE SITE, KNOWING THIS WOULD BE A LARGER TOURISM DESTINATION, UM, THAT OUR VISIT PLANO TEAM, UH, WILL WORK TO HELP, UM, UH, GENERATE AND, AND KEEP, UH, KEEP ACTIVE.
UM, THE OTHER PIECE OF IT, IT DOES REQUIRE, UH, SALES TAX SOURCING.
UM, THIS IS A TOOL THAT CITIES ACROSS TEXAS USE TO ESSENTIALLY REQUIRE THE CONTRACTOR TO, UH, SOURCE THE SALES TAX AND PLANO TO COLLECT THE SALES TAX HERE IN PLANO RATHER THAN THE OTHER AREAS OF THE STATE.
UM, SO THOSE OBLIGATIONS, THAT'S A, THAT'S A PRETTY INTENSE OBLIGATION FROM THE CONTRACTOR STANDPOINT.
UM, THOSE OBLIGATIONS WILL BE REQUIRED AS PART OF THE, THE GRANT, UH, FOR DEMOLITION.
WHERE DID THE FUNDS COME FROM THAT ULTIMATELY FUNDED THE 15 MILLION IN DEMO? SURE.
THAT IS FROM OUR ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT FUND.
UH, ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT FUND IS A FUND THAT IS, UM, UH, REPLENISHED ESSENTIALLY EACH YEAR THROUGH COUNCIL, THROUGH AN ANNUAL BUDGET PROCESS.
UM, WE ARE A LITTLE BIT UNIQUE, UH, IN THAT WE ARE NOT A FOUR A FOUR B CORPORATION LIKE OUR CITIES TO THE NORTH.
UM, SO THAT PORTION DOES, IS ALLOCATED THROUGH, UH, THROUGH THE CITY'S BUDGET PROCESS.
UM, AND THEN THAT IS REPLENISHED ESSENTIALLY IF, IF FUNDS ARE NOT USED EACH YEAR, IT ROLLS OVER.
UM, EACH TIME WE HAVE AN ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT PROJECT COMING BEFORE CITY COUNCIL, THE AGENDA WILL ACTUALLY SHOW THE FUNDS REMAINING IN THAT BALANCE.
UH, AND SO THE FUNDS, UH, HAVE BEEN EARMARKED FOR, UH, FOR THAT 10 MILLION WOULD COME FROM THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT FUND.
5 MILLION WOULD ACTUALLY COME FROM THE HOTEL MOTEL TAX AS PART OF THE, UH, THE VISITOR PLANO COMPONENT OF IT, UH, FOR TOURISM.
THIS NEXT QUESTION TIES INTO THAT.
SO WITH THE 15 MILLION IN, IN THAT PERSPECTIVE, WHAT ARE PLANOS TOTAL FINANCIAL COMMITMENTS, INCLUDING THE TOURS AND OTHER INCENTIVES? YEAH, SO, UM, THE, THE, THE
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COMMITMENTS WE HAVE RIGHT NOW, NOW WE'LL TELL YOU THERE, THERE ARE MORE COMMITMENTS THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT IN TERMS OF THE INFRASTRUCTURE, AND THAT'S BEEN, UH, WE'VE BEEN VERY, UH, TRANSPARENT TO KNOW WE DON'T HAVE THE NUMBERS ON THE INFRASTRUCTURE AND THE PARTNERSHIP THAT'S GONNA BE REQUIRED BETWEEN US, THE DEVELOPER AND THE TEAM.UM, RIGHT NOW OUR OBLIGATIONS IS TO 700 FOR THE, FOR THE ARENA ITSELF AND THE 15 MILLION THAT WE PUT IT TOWARDS DEMOLITION COST, UH, OF THE, UH, OF THE MALL.
AND ARE WE AWARE OF ANY INFRASTRUCTURE IMPROVEMENTS THAT WILL BE REQUIRED BECAUSE OF THE ARENA MEAN? WE DO, OBVIOUSLY YOU'VE HEARD QUITE A BIT FROM OUR TRAFFIC, UH, FOLKS, AND THERE HAS BEEN A REPORT OUT THERE OF, UH, RECOMMENDATIONS.
UM, THIS IS ACTUALLY REALLY HELPFUL FOR US, UH, IN THE NEGOTIATION TO MAKE SURE THERE IS A PARTNERSHIP WITH THE INFRASTRUCTURE, UM, WITH THE TEAM AND WITH THE DEVELOPER.
UM, BUT, UM, I, I, WE, I WOULD EXPECT THERE'S GONNA BE SOME INFRASTRUCTURE IMPROVEMENTS NEEDED.
UM, I BELIEVE THAT'S ALL I HAVE FOR TODAY, FOLLOW UP? YES.
I'VE GOT A FOLLOW UP QUESTION.
UH, WHAT ARE THE CHANCES OF CONSTRUCTION BEING STALLED IN THE EARLY YEARS SINCE NEW COL UH, TEXAS HAVEN'T BEEN COLLECTED? IS THERE ANY CHANCE OF STALLING BECAUSE OF FUNDING.
UM, SO, UH, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE, YOU KNOW, AS WE'RE LOOKING AT THE FUNDING OPTIONS, WE HAVE THE TURS, THE TURS DOES TAKE A LITTLE BIT TO GET GOING.
UM, OBVIOUSLY 'CAUSE WE ARE WAITING FOR THE NEW VALLEY TO GO TO HIT THE VENUE TAXES WOULD BE AN OPTION, UH, BECAUSE THERE ARE SOME OF THOSE TAXES WE'D BE ABLE TO ENACT WITHOUT, UH, THE DEBT COMPONENT.
UM, SO THOSE ARE THE PIECES WE WOULD LOOK AT FOR THE INITIAL INSTALLMENT.
UM, THERE IS A, A, AN ONGOING DISCUSSION WITH THE TEAM ON, ON, UH, THE, THE SEQUENCING OF PAYMENTS BETWEEN THE CITY AND, AND THE TEAM.
SO THAT IS SOMETHING WE ARE, WE ARE ONGOING IN LOOKING AT TRYING TO PROTECT OURSELVES IN THOSE EARLY YEARS AS WE'RE WAITING FOR THAT VALUE TO, TO KICK IN.
UH, BUT THERE WILL BE REQUIREMENTS OF, UH, PERFORMANCE REQUIREMENTS OF THE TEAM AND OF THE DEVELOPER FOR THIS TO ACTUALLY MOVE FORWARD AND FOR US TO CONTINUE BEING A PARTNER IN THE PARTICIPATION.
WHEN DO YOU GO? HAD A QUESTION JUST BECAUSE THIS HASN'T COME UP, I THINK IN ANY OF THE OTHER QUESTIONS.
I WOULD LIKE TO ADD THE BOND INVESTORS FOR THE CITY'S BONDS.
WELL, ONE ASSURANCES THAT DEVELOPER WILL HAVE ALL OF THEIR MONEY AT THE TABLE AT THE SAME TIME.
SO THERE WILL BE GUARANTEES OF SORTS REQUIRED ON THE, ON, ON THE DEVELOPER SIDE TO ASSURE THAT ALL OF THE MONEY IS AVAILABLE TO COMPLETE THE PROJECT.
AND THEN THE C CITY HAS ITS OWN CONSTRUCTION MANAGER MONITORING IT, I MEAN, TO, FOR THE BENEFIT OF THE CITY'S BOND HOLDERS AS WELL.
BUT IT'S IMPORTANT, YOU CAN IMAGINE THAT YOU WOULDN'T WANNA SELL BONDS NOT KNOWING IF THEY WERE GONNA COME TO THE TABLE WITH THEIR MONEY AND, AND THAT THAT WILL BE ADDRESSED ON THE FRONT END.
AND THAT WAS GONNA BE MY FOLLOW UP, IS WHAT GUARANTEES IS THERE THAT CENTENNIAL SHOWS UP AND BUILDS THE REST OF THIS, RIGHT? BECAUSE THET IS DEPENDENT UPON $2 BILLION WORTH OF DEVELOPMENT OCCURRING AROUND THIS ARENA.
AND SO BASICALLY BEFORE THE CITY SELLS BONDS, YOU'RE SAYING THEY'RE GONNA HAVE TO HAVE THEIR COMMITMENT OF THEIR FINANCING FOR THEIR PORTION OF THE PROJECT.
IT, THAT IS DEFINITELY A REQUIREMENT FOR ANY ARENA FINANCING.
THE TEAM HAS TO BRING THEIR MONEY TO THE TABLE.
WE HAVE TO BELIEVE THAT IT'S AN ACTIONABLE PLAN BY THE DEVELOPER.
SOMETHING THAT WE CAN REPRESENT TO THE MARKET IS FAIR AND BALANCED.
UM, THIS ISN'T A SITUATION WHERE WE GO AHEAD ISSUE BONDS FOR CITY OF PLAINTIFF FOR THIS, AND THEN SIT AROUND HOPING THAT THE TEAM OR THE DEVELOPER'S GONNA SHOW UP.
ACTUALLY, WHEN DO YOU EXPECT THE DEVELOPER TO HAVE SOMETHING FINAL TO LOOK AT? FOR, FOR A LOT OF PURPOSES WE'RE MEETING ON WITH THE TOMORROW TO PUSH 'EM.
SO THAT IS SOMETHING WE KNOW IS, UH, OF URGENCY.
WE'VE HEARD IT FROM OUR COUNCIL LAST NIGHT.
WE'VE HEARD IT FROM THIS COMMITTEE QUITE A BIT.
UM, WE ARE, WE ARE TRYING TO, UM, I I DON'T HAVE A A TIME FOR YOU AND I, I I WISH I DID.
UM, THAT IS SOMETHING WE ARE CONTINUING TO PUSH TO THE, TO THE DEVELOPER, UH, THAT WE, WE NEED TO HAVE.
'CAUSE THAT, THAT REALLY AFFECTS A LOT OF THINGS.
IT AFFECTS THE FINANCING, IT AFFECTS THE SITE PLAN, IT AFFECTS THE TRAFFIC AND TRANSPORTATION.
IT, IT HAS A, A RIPPLE EFFECT THAT WE'RE, WE'RE DOING THESE MODELS ON THE ASSUMPTIONS, BUT UNTIL WE SEE WHAT IS THE PEN AND PAPER, UM, WE DON'T HAVE THE ABILITY TO, TO TAKE THAT NEXT STEP AND LOOK AT THE ACTUAL SOLUTIONS, UH, FOR, FOR THE PROJECT.
SO, UM, I'LL, UH, UH, REITERATE FROM TO THE, TO THE, TO THE TE TO THE DEVELOPER, UM, YOU ALL YOUR, YOUR INTEREST TO GET THIS THING, UM, GOING.
UM, THEY WILL ALSO HEAR FROM OUR, UH, THE COUNCIL'S, UH, COMMENTS LAST NIGHT THAT, UM, THIS IS SOMETHING THAT IS, UH, OF NEED FROM THE COMMUNITY STANDPOINT TO ANSWER QUESTIONS.
AND THEN ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I THINK THE STARS HAVE CONSISTENTLY SAID IN THE MEDIA IS PART OF THE REASON THEY, THEY FEEL LIKE THEY NEED TO MOVE IS THEY NEED TO CONTROL THE DEVELOPMENT AROUND
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THEIR ARENA.WHAT, WHAT KIND OF STAKE OR, OR WHAT'S THEIR INVOLVEMENT GONNA BE WITH CENTENNIAL ON THE REST OF THIS DEVELOPMENT OUTSIDE OF JUST THE ARENA ITSELF? AND WE, WE DON'T HAVE THE SPECIFICS FOR THOSE, THAT AGREEMENT BETWEEN THOSE TWO, BUT THERE IS, UM, THAT IS PART OF THE, THE TRIPARTY PIECE.
THERE WILL BE A AGREEMENT BETWEEN US AND THE, AND THE TEAM.
THERE'LL BE A TRIPARTY AGREEMENT BETWEEN US, THE TEAM AND CENTENNIAL, AND THEN THE TEAM AND CENTENNIAL WILL HAVE THEIR OWN AGREEMENT.
UH, MA I THINK YOU'RE GONNA TAKE ON THE PUBLIC SAFETY QUESTIONS.
AND WE DON'T HAVE, UH, DOUG, YOU MAY, IF YOU WANNA STAY UP THERE, I'LL
YOU'RE NOT CHIEF DRAIN OR CHIEF BIGGER STAFF? NO, NO, EITHER ONE.
THEY'RE, THEY'RE MUCH BETTER THAN I AM.
I GET FUN QUESTIONS BECAUSE I'VE BEEN PARTICULARLY CONCERNED ABOUT SAFETY IN THE AREA OF OUR HOAS THAT ARE NEAREST TO THE LOCATION.
AND SO DRUG SEX AND ROCK AND ROLL IS MY TOPIC.
UM, WE, UH, WANT TO UNDERSTAND WHAT THE SAFETY CONSIDERATIONS ARE THAT WILL BE IMPLEMENTED WITH FIRE EMPLOYEES.
UM, HOW WILL THIS BE PAID FOR EXTRA STAFF, ET CETERA.
AND WILL RESPONSE TIMES REMAIN AS STUPENDOUS AS SUCCESSFUL AS THEY HAVE BEEN RECENTLY AND CONTINUING TO IMPROVE.
AND, AND, UM, UH, CHIEF DRAY AND CHIEF BIGGER STAFF, IF YOU SAY THEY'RE NOT HERE TONIGHT, BUT BOTH OF 'EM HAVE GIVEN PRESENTATIONS.
THEY GAVE PRESENTATIONS AT THE COUNCIL MEETING LAST, LAST NIGHT.
THEY ALSO PROVIDED, UH, PRESENTATIONS DURING THE COMMITTEE PRESENTATIONS.
AND, AND THOSE ARE ALSO ONLINE.
BUT JUST TO KIND OF TOUCH ON SOME OF THESE CONCERNS ON PUBLIC SAFETY, UH, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT, WHO PAYS FOR IT? SO WHEN YOU HAVE, WE TALK ABOUT TRAFFIC AND, AND YOU NEED OFFICERS FOR THESE SORTS OF VENUE OR THESE SORTS OF EVENTS, UH, THEN, THEN NORMALLY WHAT'S GONNA HAPPEN IS THE, UH, THE EVENT IS GONNA PAY FOR IT.
SO IF IT'S A STARS GAME, THEN THE STARS WILL PAY FOR IT.
UH, IF, UH, IF IT'S A CONCERT, THEN THE, THE, THE CONCERT, WHOEVER'S COMING IN WILL PAY FOR THAT EXTRA, UH, UH, PUBLIC SAFETY ASPECT OF THAT.
AND THEY'VE GOT PROCESSES IN WHICH THEY CAN GO OUT AND, AND HIRE OFF-DUTY POLICE OFFICERS TO HANDLE, UH, THOSE SORTS OF THINGS.
UM, YOUR PRESENTATIONS WERE AWESOME.
THEY DID A GREAT JOB, CREATED A GREAT DEAL OF CONFIDENCE FOR ME,
AND, AND PUBLIC SAFETY IS EXTREMELY IMPORTANT TO THE CITY OF PLANO.
AND IT WILL, IT WILL CONTINUE TO BE EXTREMELY IMPORTANT TO THE CITY OF PLANO.
AND WE, WE WILL, AND I KNOW FAIRERS HAVE TALKED ABOUT THIS QUITE A BIT, UM, AND YOU HEARD FROM BOTH CHIEF BIGGERSTAFF AND CHIEF DRAIN, WHEN WE GET THAT TRANSPORTATION PLAN AND WE'RE LOOKING AT THE, THE, UH, UH, INGRESS AND EGRESS OF, OF SITES, THERE WILL BE HAVE TO BE A, YOU KNOW, EMERGENCY DEDICATION, ROUTES FOR PEOPLE TO COME IN AND OUT, UH, FOR, FOR SAFETY AND, AND, AND CONCERNS.
SO, UM, I, I, UH, YOU KNOW, THE, THE POLICE AND FIRE ARE ACTUALLY ATTACHED TO THE, KIND OF THE WHOLE DEVELOPMENT TEAM TO MAKE SURE THAT RESPONSE TIME STAYING CAN STAY STRONG.
WE REMAIN ONE OF THE SAFEST CITIES IN THE, IN THE, IN THE COUNTRY.
UM, AND THAT WE HAVE THE RESOURCES NEEDED TO, UH, TO PROVIDE SERVICES NOT ONLY AT THE SITE, BUT ALL THE NEIGHBORHOODS AROUND THAT MAY HAVE, UH, TRAFFIC DURING THAT TIME.
PLANO IS, IS THERE ANYTHING ELSE YOU'D LIKE TO ADD TO THAT? CURTIS? THANK YOU FOR ANSWERING MY QUESTION.
NO, I, AND I THINK ONE OF THE THINGS THAT, UH, AS CHIEF BIGGERSTAFF TALKED ABOUT, THAT, UH, BECAUSE THE WAY THEY'RE LOCATED BETWEEN TWO STATIONS, UH, THAT, THAT AREA, THAT WILLOW BEND AREA WILL BASICALLY, UH, BE ITS OWN ITS OWN PUBLIC SAFETY AREA.
AND SO THEY'LL, THEY'LL, UH, STAFF IT ACCORDINGLY AS NEEDED.
SO WHEN THERE'S AN EVENT THERE, UH, EVERYTHING WILL BE, UH, INTERNAL TO THAT AREA.
SO, UH, IN FACT, THEY CITED, UH, STATION NINE AND STATION FIVE.
STATION NINE IS BASICALLY NEAR ARBOR CREEK AND ON PARKER WEST OF MIDWAY.
AND THE OTHER IS ON PARK, UH, AT VENTURA, BASICALLY.
AND SO THE, THE LOCATION OF WILLOW BEND IS IN THE MIDDLE OF THOSE TWO RIGHT IN THE MIDDLE.
AND THEN THE OTHER, THE, THE, UH, THE DRUGS AND SEX
HOW WILL THE CITY CONTROL THESE SO THAT, UH, IT'S NOT A CONCERN IN OUR NEIGHBORHOODS, UM, AS WELL, HOW WILL SHORT-TERM RENTALS PLAY IN THAT? YEAH.
A GOOD THING IS SHORT-TERM RENTALS.
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GLEN MEADOWS AND THE NEIGHBORHOODS ON THAT SIDE REALLY HELPED US PROVIDE A, UM, UH, A ORDINANCE TO PROHIBIT NEW SHORT-TERM RENTALS COMING IN.AND SO I KNOW, UH, DE UH, MICHELLE DEANDRE OUR, UH, A ATTORNEY HERE WAS INSTRUMENTAL IN ALSO HELPING AND WORKING WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
UH, THAT IS, THERE ARE NO PLANS TO CHANGE THAT, UH, THAT THAT PROGRAM.
SO THE, THE INTRODUCTION OF NEW SHORT TERM RENTALS WOULD NOT BE ALLOWED.
UM, SO AT LEAST THAT IS SET ASIDE.
UM, YOU KNOW, IN, IN TERMS OF CRIME ACTIVITY.
THAT'S SOMETHING OUR, OUR POLICE, UM, HAVE EXPERIENCE WITH.
WE HAVE URBAN CENTERS LIKE, UH, HERE IN DOWNTOWN OR, UH, LEGACY WEST, UH, THAT, UM, HAVE BARS, UM, AND HAVE THAT, THOSE TYPE OF, UM, UH, ACTIVITIES.
UM, AND AN AN INSTANCE THAT YOU'VE SEEN WHERE THE POLICE HAVE PUT IN A, UM, YOU KNOW, A SUBSTATION IN THOSE AREAS TO RESPOND QUICKER.
UH, AND WE HAVE DONE THAT AND BEEN VERY SUCCESSFUL IN THOSE, IN THOSE, UH, OPERATIONS.
UM, AND SO I, I JUST, I'LL TELL YOU JUST FROM, FROM, UH, CHIEF RAY, HE'S ALSO BEEN WORKING WITH, UH, WITH, UH, FRISCO ON THE FC DALLAS STADIUM AND WHAT THEIR IMPACTS ARE IN ARLINGTON AT THE STADIUMS THAT THEY HAVE.
UM, SO WE'RE LOOKING AT BEST PRACTICES AND HOW TO MAKE SURE THAT WE ADDRESS 'EM EARLY AND GET THE PLANS OUT IN FRONT SO THAT THESE ARE NOT AN ISSUES THAT WE HAVE TO ADDRESS.
I WOULD ENCOURAGE EVERYBODY HERE TO TAKE A LOOK ONLINE AT THE CITY OF PLANA WEBSITE AND LOOK AT CHIEF BIGGER STAFF AND CHIEF DRAIN AS THEY PRESENTED TO CITY COUNCIL AND AS THEY PRESENTED TO THIS, THIS AD HOC COMMITTEE, FABULOUS PRESENTATIONS, GREAT DEAL OF DETAIL AND INSIGHT.
FAR BETTER THAN I COULD SHARE WITH YOU, BUT YES, THEY DID.
AND JUST, JUST TO FOLLOW UP, 'CAUSE ONE OF THE, THE PORTIONS OF THIS QUESTION HAS TO DO WITH SEXUALLY ORIENTED BUSINESSES, AND THE CITY DOES HAVE AN ORDINANCE THAT REGULATES SEXUALLY ORIENTED BUSINESSES IN THE CITY OF PLANO AS TO WHERE THEY CAN BE.
UH, AND SO OF COURSE, THAT WILL NOT, THAT WILL NOT CHANGE.
UH, I, I THINK MAYBE ALSO THAT THE, UH, THE INTENT OF THE QUESTION MAY HAD TO, TO DO WITH A SEXUALLY UH, SEXUALLY BASED CRIME.
AND SO, UH, JUST GENERALLY OUR POLICE DEPARTMENT IS, CERTAINLY GOES OUT AND, AND IS PROACTIVE IN DEALING WITH, UH, SEXUALLY BASED CRIMES HERE IN THE CITY OF PLATO, WHETHER IT'S PROSTITUTION OR CHILD EXPLOITATION, THAT SORT OF THING.
SO WE'RE, WE'RE VERY WELL KNOWN FOR THAT.
AND SO I DON'T ANTICIPATE THAT WILL CHANGE BASED ON THE ADDITION OF, UH, THE STARS IF THEY END UP COMING HERE.
I'VE ONLY LIVED IN PLANO 27 YEARS.
I KNOW YOU KNOW THAT, BUT I DIDN'T KNOW WE HAD AREAS THAT WE COULD HAVE SEXUALLY ORIENTED BUSINESSES.
WHERE IS CHIEF DRAIN WHEN I NEED HIM?
SO, DOUG, JUST ONE BIT OF FEEDBACK.
THE, THE IDEA THAT POLICE MAY WANT TO HAVE SOME SORT OF A SUBSTATION OR, OR SOMETHING WITHIN THE DEVELOPMENT AND THE FACT THAT THE DEVELOPER HAS TO PROVIDE A VISITOR CENTER FOR THE CITY OF POINT.
OH, ANYWAY, WE'RE ON TOP OF THAT.
IT JUST SEEMS LIKE THAT COULD COHABITATE.
NOT THAT YOU WANT, YOU KNOW, A, A, A HOLDING CELL THAT MIGHT BE THERE TO BE PART OF YOUR VISITOR CENTER, BUT, YOU KNOW, IT COULD BE IN THE VERY BACK OR SOMETHING.
SO NO, I APPRECIATE THAT COMMENT.
WE, WE ARE, THAT IS AN, AN ONGOING DISCUSSION WE'RE HAVING, UH, WITH CENTENNIAL.
UM, IN ADDITION, WE ARE WORKING WITH, UH, WITH THE TEAM, UH, WITH THE H AND TB AND THE ARCHITECT TO MAKE SURE THAT THERE'S ENOUGH SPACE AND ADEQUATE INFRASTRUCTURE IN THE ARENA ITSELF FOR THE OPERATIONS TO BE THERE AS WELL.
UM, SO THERE'LL BE SPACE IN THERE FOR OUR POLICE AND PUBLIC SAFETY, UM, AND IN, AND EQUIPMENT STORAGE, THINGS LIKE THAT.
SO WE'RE NOT HAVING TO BRING THINGS OVER.
IT'S ALL THERE, UH, AND STORED ON SITE.
UH, AND THEN ALSO THE, THE SUBSTATION THAT HAS, UH, BEEN DISCUSSION WITH US AS WELL.
I'M NOT EVEN SURE THAT'S MINE.
I'M NOT ABOUT TO READ THE ENTIRE QUESTION,
I, I THINK IF YOU, UM, YOU KNOW, I THINK WE CAN SPEAK TO IT.
WE, WE'VE, WE'VE BEEN IN ONGOING DISCUSSIONS WITH THAT NEIGHBORHOOD, UH, AND WITH THE REPRESENTATIVES ON, UH, THE, THE CONCERNS ON THAT PROPERTY.
UH, BUT YEAH, I'M SORRY, MR. UH, CHAIR WARREN OR, OR, UH, COMMITTEE CHAIR WARREN, IF YOU WANNA READ, OBVIOUSLY FOR THE PUBLIC'S, UH, PER, UH, UH, ABILITY TO READ IT, GO AHEAD.
THERE'S EXCESSIVE OR SUMMARIZING, THERE'S EXCESSIVE WATER COMING FROM WILLOW BIN MALL AND THE TARGET SHOPPING CENTER, AND THEY'RE FEEDING, I MEAN, FILLING PONDS AND SO FORTH, AND EVERYBODY'S, YOU KNOW, I'M SURE THERE'RE GONNA BE MORE DETENTION AND RETENTION PONDS THAT ARE BUILT AS PART OF THE CONSTRUCTION.
SO WHAT'S THE CITY'S PLAN FOR ADDRESSING WATER
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CONSERVATION AND KEEPING IT OUT OF THE NEIGHBORHOODS AND THAT KIND OF STUFF? YEAH, SO, UH, CALEB THORNHILL, DIRECTOR OF ENGINEERING, SO THERE'S A, A COUPLE DIFFERENT ASPECTS TO THAT.ONE IS THE DEVELOPMENT PROCESS, WHICH THE DEVELOPER WILL HAVE TO FOLLOW, UM, FROM AN EXCESSIVE WATER WE HAVE IN OUR DESIGN STANDARDS THAT A SITE CANNOT GENERATE ADDITIONAL RUNOFF FROM THEIR SITE UNLESS THEY PROVIDE DETENTION OR RETENTION FROM THAT.
UM, WITH THIS BEING THE EXISTING MALL, UH, A LOT OF IT ALREADY IS IMPERVIOUS AREA.
UM, SO I DON'T KNOW THAT THEY'LL ACTUALLY PRODUCE ADDITIONAL RUNOFF FROM THE SITE.
IT'S, IT'S A LOT OF CONCRETE PARKING LOTS, GARAGES, ROOFTOPS.
UM, BUT WE ALSO HAVE, OUR ENVIRONMENTAL HEALTH TEAM WILL REQUIRE DURING THE CONSTRUCTION, UH, EROSION CONTROL MEASURES.
AND THEY HAVE TO FOLLOW NOT ONLY THE, UH, TEXAS, UH, TCEQ REQUIREMENTS, BUT ALSO THE CITY STANDARD REQUIREMENTS.
UH, AND THEN DURING THE DEVELOPMENT PROCESS, THERE WILL BE A, A DOWNSTREAM ASSESSMENT THAT HAS TO BE EVALUATED TO SEE IF THERE IS ADDITIONAL IMPACTS BEYOND THEIR SITE INTO AREAS LIKE THIS.
IF, IF, IF I MAY CHAIR WARREN, IF I, IF I MAY, SURE.
BECAUSE I, I LIVE IN WILLIN LAKES.
THIS IS A QUESTION THAT CAME FROM ONE OF OUR REPRESENTATIVES READ SURE.
AS YOU ALL MAY REALIZE, IN THE LATE 1970S, UH, A LOT OF THESE NEW DEVELOPERS SAID, HEY, WE'RE GONNA BUILD THESE WONDERFUL COMMUNITIES, AND OH, BY THE WAY, WE'RE GONNA TAX 300 HOMEOWNERS WITH MAINTAINING AN 11 ACRE RETENTION POND THAT NOT ONLY TAKES CARE OF WATER FROM OUR COMMUNITIES, BUT, UM, FOR THIS EXAMPLE, THE SHOP'S A LEGACY.
AND SO THE ONE THING THAT WE'VE REALLY HAD IS A DISPROPORTIONATE ECONOMIC EFFECT TO A LOT OF THESE NEIGHBORHOODS THAT ARE GETTING DEBRIS BECAUSE OUR HOMEOWNERS, I SERVE AS PRESIDENT OF MY HOA AND OUR HOMEOWNERS WANT US TO PAY TO HAVE SOMEONE TO GO AROUND AND PICK UP TRASH FROM AN 11 ACRE LAKE ALONG WITH SOME OF THE OTHERS.
AND ALMOST 15% OF OUR OPERATING BUDGET, WE'LL HAVE BEEN POLO SPENT OVER A MILLION DOLLARS ON DREDGING THAT AREA BECAUSE OF THE SEDIMENT THAT THAT RUNS OFF.
SO THIS KIND OF TIES INTO THE STORM BANK EROSION ISSUE THAT CITY COUNCIL HAS BEEN DEALING WITH FOR A LITTLE OVER A YEAR, BUT I THINK THAT'S THE KEY THING THAT RHETT AND OURSELVES AND OTHERS THAT HAVE BEEN AFFECTED BY THESE POOR DECISIONS IN THE LATE SEVENTIES.
UM, THERE'S OTHER AREAS THROUGHOUT THE CITY THAT WE'RE HAVING DISCUSSIONS WITH ABOUT, UH, THESE TYPES OF SITUATIONS NOT NECESSARILY BEING FED FROM THE WILLOWEN, UH, DEVELOPMENT.
UM, AND WHAT HAPPENS IS JUST REALLY FROM A HYDRAULIC STANDPOINT, WHEN YOU TAKE AN EXISTING WATERWAY AND YOU PUT A POND IN THE MIDDLE OF IT, IT SLOWS DOWN THE WATER AND ALL THAT SEDIMENT THAT TYPICALLY WOULD RUN THROUGH THERE JUST SETTLES IN.
THE AMENITY IS BEAUTIFUL, UM, BUT THE MAINTENANCE IS OBVIOUSLY, YOU KNOW, A, A CHALLENGE.
THEN I'LL ALSO MENTION TOO, UM, UH, THE DISCUSSION ABOUT THE, THE LITTER COMING IN.
UM, WE ARE NOW MONITORING, UM, THAT SITE, UH, WITH OUR ENVIRONMENTAL HEALTH DEPARTMENT.
UH, WE, WE, UM, WE HAVE A TEAM HERE THAT IS ACTUALLY GOING AND SEEING WHERE THE, THE, UH, THE DEBRIS IS COMING FROM.
UH, WE ARE NOW WORKING WITH THE SHOPPING CENTER, UH, TARGET IN THOSE AREAS WHERE WE'VE SEEN THAT SOME OF THE DEBRIS HAS MADE IT WAY ON THERE.
UH, BUT I WAS JUST TALKING TO OUR DIRECTOR OF ENVIRONMENTAL HEALTH TODAY, AND SHE WAS EXCITED BECAUSE, UH, WE'RE DOING THE EARLY LOOKING AND TESTING RIGHT NOW.
SO IF THE PROJECT WERE TO PROCEED, WE HAVE SOME REALLY GOOD BASE DATA OF WHAT WAS THERE TODAY BEFORE THE PROJECT PROCEEDS.
I'M SURE YOU SAW THIS QUESTION.
CAN WE ICE SKATE AT THE RINK ON NON-GAME DAYS? THAT'S NOT AN ENGINEERING QUESTION.
YEAH, WE, WE, UM, UM, YES, UH, THAT WE, ONE OF THE THINGS, UM, THAT WOULD BE IMPORTANT FOR THE COMMUNITY TO KNOW IS, UM, ONE OF THE ASPECTS OF THE, UH, NUMBER OF AGREEMENTS THAT, UH, THAT WE'D BE LOOKING INTO WOULD BE A COMMUNITY BENEFITS AGREEMENT, UM, THAT IS PRETTY COMMON IN THESE, UH, PUBLIC PRIVATE PARTNERSHIPS WITH PROFESSIONAL ORGANIZATIONS AND SPORTS ON WHAT IS THE TEAM GOING TO BE GIVING BACK TO THE COMMUNITY AS PART OF BEING A NEIGHBOR AND BEING A COMMUNITY PARTNER.
UM, WE HAVE THOSE, UH, I MEAN, A LOT OF THEM ARE REALLY MORE INFORMAL THINGS WITH TOYOTA AND OTHER COMPANIES THAT, UH, GIVE BACK TO COMMUNITY AND DO THINGS LIKE THE MARRIAGE INTERNSHIP PROGRAM.
UM, BUT IN THIS CASE, OBVIOUSLY WITH, WITH THE, THE, THE INVESTMENT WE ARE MAKING, UH, IS IT WILL BE A FORMAL DOCUMENT THAT IS PRESENTED, UH, IN, APPROVED BY OUR CITY COUNCIL, UM, OF THINGS OF, YOU KNOW, WHEN THE, WHEN THE CITY CAN USE IT, UM, WHEN ON OFF DAYS AND WHEN PLANO, ISD CAN USE IT AND THINGS OF THAT NATURE.
UM, IT'S KIND OF THE LARGER PACKAGE OF, OF, UM, THE, UH, COMMUNITY BENEFITS SIDE OF THINGS WITH THE ADDITIONAL AGREEMENTS.
UM, IF THE PROJECT WERE TO PROCEED, AND I ASSUME, UH, WILL THE CITY ALLOW FIREWORKS, I, UH, KABOOM TOWN KIND OF THING OFF THE GARAGES OR ET CETERA, ET CETERA? YEAH, I, I THINK A NUMBER OF INDIVIDUALS HERE, UH, WOULD BE CALLING ME EVERY NIGHT WHEN THE, UM, THE FIREWORKS WOULD GO OFF.
UM, SO I, I BELIEVE THE QUESTION WAS
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RELATED TO, UM, SOME OF THE ACTIVITIES THAT HAPPEN, UM, AROUND THE BALLPARK, UH, IN, IN FRISCO.UM, AND OBVIOUSLY THAT'S AN OUTDOOR FACILITY THAT SHOOTS OFF FIREWORKS WHEN THE GAME STARTS AND HOME RUNS.
UM, THIS OBVIOUSLY WOULD BE AN INDOOR FACILITY.
UM, THERE ARE GOING TO BE RESTRICTIONS ON, ON NOISE AND, AND NATURE, THAT ONE THAT THEY MEET, MEET OUR ORDINANCE, BUT ALSO THAT WE'LL WORK WITH THE COMMUNITY TO SEE WHAT ARE THINGS THAT WE NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT, UH, WE POTENTIALLY COULD ADD INTO IT.
UM, FOR EXAMPLE, UM, THE LEGACY FOOD HALL HAS DIFFERENT REQUIREMENTS OF OPERATION BECAUSE OF NOISE FOR THE, THE HIGH-RISE CONDOS AROUND IT.
UM, IT ECHOES THROUGH THE, THE LEGACY BUSINESS PARK, AND IT AFFECTS THE RESIDENTS WHO LIVE IN THE TOWERS.
UM, SO THERE ARE DIFFERENT RESTRICTIONS ON HOURS OF OPERATIONS FOR CERTAIN BUSINESSES THAT WE PLACE IN, IN, IN TERMS OF THE PROTECTION OF THE, THE NOISE AND LIGHTING AND THINGS OF THAT NATURE THAT ARE CONCERNED FOR THE RESIDENTS.
SO THAT IS SOMETHING WE WILL BE WORKING, UH, AND ACTUALLY WILL BE MOST LIKELY BE LOOKING AT, UH, DIRECTION FROM YOU ALL.
BUT NO, I DON'T ANTICIPATE FIREWORKS.
AND I, I, THAT'S PROBABLY SOMETHING PRETTY EASY FOR US TO RESTRICT.
SO I, I, I THINK WITH THAT, THAT, UH, WE WENT THROUGH THE QUESTIONS THAT, UH, WERE PRESENTED, UH, AND THE QUESTIONS, UH, THAT WERE DISCUSSED TONIGHT, ALONG WITH THE ENTIRE LIST OF QUESTIONS THAT WERE RECEIVED, UH, WILL BE ONLINE ALONG WITH THIS VIDEO.
UH, THE RECORDING WILL ALSO BE ONLINE FOR YOUR, UH, YOUR ABILITY TO WATCH.
UH, AND SO JUST AT THIS TIME, I WOULD LIKE TO EXPRESS MY GRATITUDE TO THIS COMMITTEE.
UH, WE WERE PUT TOGETHER, THEY WERE PUT TOGETHER PRETTY QUICKLY, UH, AND HAVE SPENT A LOT OF TIME AND, AND ENERGY GOING THROUGH THE MATERIAL ON SOME, UH, VERY DIFFICULT STUFF.
AND SO IT'S WITH MY GRATITUDE, THE GRATITUDE OF, UH, UH, DOUG MCDONALD, I CAN SAFELY SAY, UH, MARK ISRAELSON, THE CITY MANAGER, UH, AND, UH, THE MAYOR JOHN MUS AND CITY COUNCIL FOR ALL THE WORK THAT YOU GUYS HAVE DONE AND PUT INTO THIS.
AND SO AT THIS TIME, UH, JUST TO LET YOU KNOW, UH, AS WE GET ADDITIONAL INFORMATION, WE WILL CALL YOU BACK AS, AS NEEDED.
BUT, UH, AGAIN, THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR EVERYTHING THAT YOU'VE DONE.
AND SO CHAIR, I'LL LET YOU GAVEL OUT.
WITH THAT, I WILL CONSIDER THE MEETING ADJOURNED.