Oct 12, 2026 City Council

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I NOW

[CALL TO ORDER ]

TONIGHT'S REGULAR MEETING WITH THE INVOCATION LED BY RABBI BLOCK WITH KABAD PLANO, COLLIN COUNTY, AND THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE AND THE TEXAS PLEDGE LED BY THE CITY COUNCIL.

PLEASE RISE ALMIGHTY GOD, CREATOR OF HEAVEN AND EARTH.

IN CELEBRATION OF THE RECENT JEWISH NEW YEAR, LAST WEEK IN THE SYNAGOGUE, WE BEGAN ANEW THE ANNUAL PSYCH CYCLE OF THE READING OF THE TORAH, THE BIBLE, STARTING WITH GENESIS AND THE STORY OF CREATION.

IN THE VERY FIRST CHAPTER, THE TORAH, THE BIBLE TEACHES US THAT YOU CREATED MANKIND.

AND I QUOTE THE HEBREW IN THE IMAGE OF GOD.

THIS PROFOUND TEACHING REMINDS US THAT EVERY HUMAN BEING POSSESSES, INHERIT DIGNITY, INFINITE WORTH, AND THE GOD-GIVEN RIGHT TO LIVE IN FREEDOM AND PURSUE HAPPINESS.

YET GENESIS ALSO TEACHES US THAT FREEDOM COMES WITH RESPONSIBILITY.

EVEN IN THE GARDEN OF EDEN, SURROUNDED BY ABUNDANCE AND BLESSINGS, ADAM AND EVE WERE GIVEN BOUNDARIES RESTRICTED TO E FROM THE TREE OF KNOWLEDGE OF GOOD AND EVIL.

AND LATER THROUGH NOAH, YOU ESTABLISHED UNIVERSAL PRINCIPLES, A MORALITY AND JUSTICE KNOWN AS IT CAN ALSO BE FOUND ONLINE.

THE SEVEN NOAH HAID LAWS.

THESE TEACHINGS REMIND US THOUGH, WHILE WE ARE BLESSED WITH RIGHTS AND FREEDOMS, WE ALSO HAVE OBLIGATIONS TO OUR CREATOR AND TO ONE ANOTHER.

DEAR GOD, WE ASK FOR YOUR BLESSINGS UPON THE MAYOR AND THE MEMBERS OF THE PLANO CITY COUNCIL.

GRANT THEM THE WISDOM TO BALANCE THESE TWO SACRED PRINCIPLES, TO ESTABLISH JUST LAWS THAT PRESERVE ORDER AND UPHOLD MORAL RESPONSIBILITY, WHILE ALWAYS PROTECTING THE DIGNITY, LIBERTY, AND GOD-GIVEN RIGHTS OF EVERY INDIVIDUAL MAY THEY GOVERN WITH WISDOM, HUMILITY, COMPASSION, AND INTEGRITY.

MAYOR, OUR BELOVED CITY OF PLANO, CONTINUE TO FLOURISH AS A COMMUNITY WHERE FREEDOM AND RESPONSIBILITY WALK HAND IN HAND AND WHERE EVERY PERSON IS VALUED AND EVERY RESIDENT HAS THE OPPORTUNITY TO THRIVE.

AND MAY YOU BLESS ALL WHO SERVE OUR COMMUNITY WITH STRENGTH, CLARITY, AND SUCCESS IN THEIR SACRED RESPONSIBILITY.

AND LET US ALL SAY AM AMEN.

AMEN.

I ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS, ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE, WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE.

WRONG HONOR, TEXAS FLAG I TO TEXAS, ONE STATE UNDER ONE INDIVISIBLE SEATED.

THANK YOU.

THANK YOU SO MUCH YOUR HONOR.

WELL SAID.

THANK YOU.

[(p1) 26-709 Proclamation: Recognition of the Citizens Assisting Plano Police (CAPP) Program 20th Anniversary.]

THE PROGRAM IS REACHING ITS 20TH ANNIVERSARY, SO I'D LIKE TO CALL FORWARD STEVE REICHMAN, FIRST AND IMMEDIATE PAST CAP MANAGER, BRIAN PLOTKIN, SECOND AND CURRENT PA CAP MANAGER, CHIEF DRAIN, CHIEF OF POLICE, SERGEANT BABB, THE CRIME PREVENTION UNIT, AND ALL PAST AND PRESENT CAP MEMBERS, GREG RUSH, OUR FORMER CHIEF OF POLICE, PAST CRIME PREVENTION UNIT SERGEANTS AND SUPPORTING STAFF MEMBERS.

SO IF YOU WOULD ALL PLEASE COME ON UP,

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SO THE PROCLAMATION READS CITIZENS ASSISTING PLANO POLICE OCTOBER 12TH, 2026.

AND WHEREAS THE CITIZENS ASSISTING PLANO POLICE PROGRAM WAS ESTABLISHED ON SEPTEMBER 1ST, 2006, AS A PARTNERSHIP BETWEEN DEDICATED COMMUNITY VOLUNTEERS AND THE PLANO POLICE DEPARTMENT TO ENHANCE PUBLIC SAFETY AND STRENGTHEN COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT.

AND WHEREAS THE 20TH ANNIVERSARY OF CAP PROVIDES AN OPPORTUNITY TO RECOGNIZE THE SIGNIFICANT CONTRIBUTIONS OF VOLUNTEERS THROUGHOUT THE PROGRAM'S HISTORY TO HONOR THEIR COMMITMENT, DEDICATION, AND GENEROSITY.

WHEREAS SINCE ITS INCEPTION 141, VOLUNTEERS HAVE SUCCESSFULLY COMPLETED CAP TRAINING AND COLLECTIVELY CONTRIBUTED OVER 172,000 HOURS OF SERVICE TO THE PLANO COMMUNITY ISSUING MORE THAN 19,000 HANDICAP PARKING WARNINGS.

JUST WARNINGS, JUST WARNINGS, AND MORE THAN 20,000.

OH, MORE THAN 20,000 CITATIONS, SORRY.

WHILE TRAVELING MORE THAN 350,000 MILES THROUGH VEHICLE AND SEGWAY PATROLS THROUGHOUT THE COMMUNITY.

WHEREAS THE CITY OF PLANO RECOGNIZES THE STRONG COMMUNITIES ARE BUILT THROUGH PARTNERSHIPS AMONG RESIDENTS, VOLUNTEERS, PUBLIC SAFETY PROFESSIONALS, AND CAP STANDS AS A LASTING EXAMPLE OF THE POSITIVE IMPACT CITIZENS CAN MAKE BY GIVING THEIR TIME AND TALENTS AND SERVICE TO THEIR COMMUNITY.

NOW, THEREFORE, I JOHN MUS, MAYOR OF THE CITY OF PLANO, TEXAS DO HEREBY PROCLAIM OCTOBER 12TH, 2026 AS CITIZENS ASSISTING PLANO POLICE DAY IN PLANO.

AND I DO THEREBY ENCOURAGE ALL CITIZENS TO JOIN ME AND THE PLANO CITY COUNCIL IN HONORING CAP VOLUNTEERS PAST AND PRESENT FOR THEIR IN, FOR THEIR INVALUABLE SERVICE TO THE PUBLIC SAFETY, THEIR SUPPORT OF THE PLANO POLICE DEPARTMENT AND THEIR EFFORTS TO ENHANCE THE QUALITY OF LIFE IN THE CITY OF EXCELLENCE.

THANK YOU, STEVE.

THE CITIZENS.

CITIZENS, IS THAT NOT YEAH, I THINK IT IS, BUT IT IS KINDA LIE.

THE CITIZENS ASSISTING PLANO POLICE PROGRAM IS A PROGRAM OF THE VOLUNTEERS THAT JUST GO ABOVE AND BEYOND EVERY DAY AND EVERYTHING THEY DO FOR THE CITY OF PLANO, THEY BELIEVE IN IT.

THEY, THEY GIVE THEIR ALL FOR IT.

AND WE APPRECIATE EVERYTHING THAT THEY DO.

UM, THANK YOU MAYOR AND COUNCIL FOR THIS PROCLAMATION AND THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

THANK YOU.

OKAY.

WHAT DO WE LOOK LIKE? ARE WE DISHEVELED OR ARE WE GOOD? OKAY.

THANK YOU.

THANK YOU.

THANK YOU.

THANKS YOU.

GOOD JOB.

GOOD JOB EARLIER.

OKAY.

AND I KNOW

[(o1) 26-920 Animal Shelter Advisory Committee: Brenda Beard, Jamey Cantrell, Tammy Chow-Hayes, and Greg Kamstra Board of Adjustment: Kurt Bilafer, Kevin Morris, Christopher Noble, Harish Nehate, Staci Weaver, and Colleen Swanson Building Standards Commission: Phil Blakely, Lawrence Chan, Brian Eisenrich, Andrew Lindquist, and Blake Moore Civil Service Commission: Penny R. Robe Community Relations Commission: Rita Cosgrove, Jeanna Davis, Khalid Ishaq, Misty Jackson-Miller, and Almas Muscatwalla Cultural Arts Commission: Corbin Baumel, Toby Todd, and Johnny Tseng Heritage Commission: Nayyer Ale-Rasool, Carole Greisdorf, and Tim Bob Library Advisory Board: Abbie Alter, Jacqueline Fortin, Amber Mendoza and Jayashree Prasad-Sinha Parks and Recreation Planning Board: Brett Cooper, Bobbie Jean Higgins, Aaron Jolly, and Rahman Mohammed Planning and Zoning Commission: Ban Alali, Connor Barron, Doug Bender, and Sean Lingenfelter Plano Housing Authority: Erica Dotras and Carson Underwood Retirement Security Plan Committee: Chris Biggerstaff, Michael Mendenhall, Susan E. Ohman, and Rachel Patterson Senior Advisory Board: Deborah Arango, Efrain Girardot, Alfred Lee Sutton, Kelsel Thompson, and Dudley Volcansek Tax Increment Financing Reinvestment Zone No. 4 Board: Kamal Abuharthieh, Nadia Christian, John Donovan, Jonathon Hetzel, Chris O’Brien, and Douglas Reece]

I ASK THAT MEMBERS IN ATTENDANCE COME UP WHEN I CALL YOUR NAME.

SO, SO FOR ANIMAL SHELTER ADVISORY COMMITTEE, BRENDA BEARD, JAMIE CANTRELL, TAMMY CHOW HAYES, AND GREG TTRA FOR BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT, KIRK BLAFFER, KEVIN MORRIS, CHRISTOPHER NOBLE, HARISH ATE STACEY WEAVER AND COLLEEN SWANSON FOR

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PHIL BLAKELY, LAWRENCE CHAN, BRIAN ESSEN, RICH ANDREW LINQUIST, AND BLAKE MOORE FOR CIVIL SERVICE COMMISSION.

PENNY ROBE FOR COMMUNITY RELATIONS COMMISSION.

RITA COSGROVE, GINA DAVIS, KISE SHOCK, MISTY JACKSON, MILLER AND AL ALMOST MU MUSCO WALLA FOR CULTURAL ARTS COMMISSION.

CORBIN BAUMEL, TOBY TODD AND JOHNNY SINGH FOR HERITAGE COMMISSION.

NAYER AL RASUL.

CAROL SDO.

TIM BOB FOR LIBRARY BOARD ABBY ALTER, JACQUELINE FORTON, AMBER MENDOZA, JAYA SHREE PRASAD SINHA FOR PARKS AND RECREATION PLANNING BOARD.

BRETT COOPER, BOBBY JEAN HIGGINS, AARON JOLLY AND RAMAN MUHAMMAD FOR PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION.

BEN AL ALI, CONNOR BARON, DOUG BENDER, AND SEAN LINGHAM, FELDER FOR PLANO HOUSING AUTHORITY.

ERICA DORAS AND CARSON UNDERWOOD FOR RETIREMENT SECURITY PLAN COMMITTEE.

CHRIS BIGGERSTAFF, MICHAEL MENDENHALL, SUSAN OMAN, AND RACHEL PATTERSON FOR SENIOR ADVISORY BOARD, DEBBIE ARANGO, FRAN GR, ALFRED LEE SUTTON, KELSEY THOMPSON, DUDLEY BALKANS, BALKAN SEC.

AND FOR TAX INCREMENT FINANCING, REINVESTMENT ZONE NUMBER FOUR, BOARD.

KAMAL HARTH, NADIA CHRISTIAN, JOHN HETZEL, CHRIS O'BRIEN AND DOUG REESE.

THANK YOU ALL FOR SERVING ON OUR BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS.

WE CAN'T DO THE WORK THAT WE HAVE TO DO WITHOUT YOU, AND I REALLY APPRECIATE IT, UH, SO MUCH.

SO NOW, IF YOU WILL ALL, UH, RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND AND TAKE THE OATH OF, UH, CEREMONIAL OATH OF OFFICE.

DO YOU SOLEMNLY SWEAR OR AFFIRM THAT YOU WILL FAITHFULLY EXECUTE THE DUTIES OF THE STATE, YOUR NAME OF THE CITY OF PLANO, STATE OF TEXAS, AND WILL TO THE BEST OF YOUR ABILITY, PRESERVE, PROTECT, AND DEFEND THE CONSTITUTION AND LAWS OF THE UNITED STATES AND OF THIS STATE AND THE CHARTER AND ORDINANCES OF THIS CITY? AND YOU WILL FURTHERMORE, SOLEMNLY SWEAR OR AFFIRM THAT YOU HAVE NOT DIRECTLY OR INDIRECTLY PAID, OFFERED OR PROMISED TO PAY, CONTRIBUTED NOR PROMISED TO CONTRIBUTE ANY MONEY OR VALUABLE THING OR PROMISED ANY PUBLIC OFFICE OR EMPLOYMENT AS A REWARD TO SECURE YOUR APPOINTMENT.

SO HELP YOU.

GOD.

THANK YOU.

CONGRATULATIONS.

AND AGAIN, THANK YOU ALL FOR BEING SUCH GREAT SERVANTS TO THE CITY OF PLANO.

THANK YOU.

THANK YOU GUYS.

THANK YOU.

THANK YOU.

APPRECIATE IT.

THANK YOU.

GOOD TO SEE YOU.

THANK YOU GUYS SO MUCH.

THANK YOU.

THANK YOU.

GOOD TO SEE YOU.

YEAH, THANK YOU.

ALRIGHT, THANKS.

APPRECIATE IT.

HI.

THANK YOU.

PICTURE WITH YOU.

YEAH.

OH, OKAY.

HERE, LET'S DO IT.

THANK YOU.

THANK YOU.

CONGRATS.

THANK YOU.

ALL RIGHT, LET'S MOVE TO

[CONSENT AGENDA]

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THE CONSENT AGENDA WILL BE ACTED UPON IN ONE MOTION AND CONTAINS ITEMS WHICH ARE ROUTINE.

AND TYPICALLY NON-CONTROVERSIAL ITEMS MAY BE REMOVED FROM THIS AGENDA FOR INDIVIDUAL DISCUSSION BY A COUNCIL MEMBER, THE CITY MANAGER, OR ANY CITIZEN.

THE PRESIDING OFFICER WILL ESTABLISH TIME LIMITS BASED UPON THE NUMBER OF SPEAKER REQUESTS.

MAY I MOVE THAT WE ACCEPT THE CONSENT AGENDA WITH THE EXCEPTION OF ITEM J AS PRESENTED? MAYOR, I'LL SECOND THANK YOU.

SO I HAVE A MOTION.

AND SECOND, TO APPROVE THE CONSENT AGENDA, UH, WITH THE EXCEPTION OF ITEM J, PLEASE VOTE O MOTION PASSES EIGHT TO ZERO ITEM J,

[(j) 26-894 To approve an Interlocal Agreement between the City of Plano and the Plano Independent School District regarding the District's participation in Tax Increment Reinvestment Zone Number Six, City of Plano, Texas; and authorizing the City Manager or designee to execute all necessary documents.]

GOOD EVENING COUNSEL.

PETER BRASS, DIRECTOR OF SPECIAL PROJECTS.

UH, I DON'T HAVE A PRESENTATION ON THIS ITEM.

I THINK DEPUTY CITY MANAGER MCDONALD DID A BETTER JOB THAN I CAN DO.

SO IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER THEM.

THANKS.

I THINK WE HAVE ONE SPEAKER.

WE DO.

IT IS KYLE MCGILLAN.

GOOD EVENING.

MY NAME IS KYLE MCGILLAN.

I'M A MEMBER OF DSA NORTH TEXAS AND REVOLUTIONARY FRONT DFW ROBINHOOD IS THE STORY OF A MAN WHO TAKES FROM THE RICH AND GIVES TO THE POOR.

I KNOW THAT'S A DIFFICULT CONCEPT TO WRAP OUR MINDS AROUND THESE DAYS.

WHAT WITH THE REVERSE BEING FAR MORE COMMON, BUT IT'S THIS IDEA THAT INSPIRED TEXAS'S REVENUE RECAPTURE SYSTEM FOR AFFLUENT SCHOOL DISTRICTS.

BASICALLY, WHEN A SCHOOL DISTRICT'S LOCAL REVENUE EXCEEDS ITS STATE ENTITLEMENT, THE GOVERNMENT CAN REDISTRIBUTE A PORTION OF THOSE DOLLARS AMONG UNDERPRIVILEGED DISTRICTS THROUGHOUT TEXAS.

IT'S NOT ENOUGH TO BRIDGE THE ENORMOUS OPPORTUNITY GAPS FACING RURAL AND INNER CITY STUDENTS, BUT AT LEAST IT'S SOMETHING.

NOW, AS I UNDERSTAND IT, THE AGREEMENT Y'ALL ARE VOTING ON TONIGHT WOULD REDIRECT MONEY TYPICALLY SENT TO THE STATE FOR EDUCATIONAL EQUITY AND USE IT TO HELP FINANCE THE UPCOMING STAR STADIUM PROJECT INSTEAD, COUNCIL MEMBERS.

I'VE INSINUATED ON A FEW OCCASIONS THAT CERTAIN MEMBERS OF THIS BODY SERVE AT THE BEHEST OF BIG BUSINESS, BUT EVEN I'M A LITTLE FLABBERGASTED.

I'M ALL FOR KEEPING PLANO DOLLARS WITHIN PLANO, BUT THE MONEY HAS TO BENEFIT THE COMMUNITY RATHER THAN BILLIONAIRE OWNED SPORTS TEAMS. AND LOOK, I KNOW Y'ALL HAVE SAID THE STADIUM WILL BOOST OUR CITY'S ECONOMY WHILE NETTING A POSITIVE RETURN FOR PISD IN THE LONG RUN.

BUT THOSE ASSUMPTIONS ARE HIGHLY SPECULATIVE AND HIGHLY DUBIOUS.

IN FACT, YOUR PROSPERITY PROJECTIONS FLY IN THE FACE OF DECADES OF RESEARCH.

SPORTS STADIUMS DON'T TYPICALLY YIELD MUCH GROWTH AND IN SOME CASES THEY DEPRESS IT.

IF YOU DON'T BELIEVE ME, READ THE STUDIES FOR YOURSELVES.

THIS AGREEMENT, WHEN COMBINED WITH PROPOSITION A REPRESENTS A MASSIVE TAXPAYER SUBSIDIZED HANDOUT FOR A CORPORATION, ONE THAT COULD ENTIRELY AND CERTAINLY AFFORD TO TAKE ON A GREATER SHARE OF THE BURDEN, IF NOT PAY FOR THE STADIUM AND THE SURROUNDING DEVELOPMENT ENTIRELY.

NOW, I'M NOT SURPRISED THAT THE MAYOR OF NOTTINGHAM, UH, SORRY THE MAYOR OF PLANO WOULD BE ON BOARD WITH ALL THIS.

BUT I'D LIKE TO SEE SOME PUSHBACK FROM THE REST OF YOU.

I MEAN, AT LEAST FOR THE SAKE OF VARIETY.

YOU KNOW, IF YOU SUPPORT EDUCATIONAL EQUITY IN THE STATE OF TEXAS, VOTE NO ON THIS AGREEMENT WITH PISD.

IF YOU LOVE CORPORATE WELFARE, VOTE YES.

THOSE ARE THE STAKES COUNCIL MEMBERS, MAY YOU CHOOSE WISELY.

THANK YOU.

OKAY, COUNCIL MEMBER CARE.

MAYOR, I MOVE TO APPROVE ITEM J.

MAYOR, I SECOND IT.

THANK YOU.

I HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND TO APPROVE ITEM J, PLEASE VOTE.

MOTION PASSES EIGHT TO ZERO.

NEXT ITEM

[(1) 26-890 Consideration to authorize the execution of a Meet and Confer Agreement between the City of Plano, Texas, and the Plano Police Association, FOP Lodge 777, October 12, 2026 through September 30, 2030; and providing an effective date.]

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UM, WHAT YOU HAVE BEFORE YOU IS AN AGREEMENT BETWEEN THE, THE CITY OF PLANO, UM, AND OUR PLANO POLICE ASSOCIATION THAT ESTABLISHES COMPENSATION AS WELL AS SOME ADMINISTRATIVE GUIDANCE FOR THE OFFICE OF THE POLICE CHIEF.

OVER THE LAST SEVERAL MONTHS, UM, THE CITY COUNCIL HAS APPROVED THE MEET AND CONFER PROCESS.

WE ENTERED INTO NEGOTIATIONS, UM, THAT TOOK SEVERAL MEETINGS, UM, IN, IN ORDER TO ABLE TO FIND A PATH THAT, THAT ULTIMATELY LED TO THIS AGREEMENT.

I WANT TO TAKE A MINUTE AND, AND THANK THOSE THAT WERE INVOLVED ON BOTH SIDES OF THE TABLE.

UH, AGREEMENTS SUCH AS THIS ARE, ARE NOT EASY TO ACHIEVE.

THEY ARE, THEY ARE ONES THAT OFTENTIMES, UM, HAVE HIGH EMOTION.

BUT AT THE END OF THE DAY, UM, TEAM PLANO CAME TOGETHER TO FIND A PATH FORWARD THAT WAS AGREEABLE ON BOTH SIDES.

AND FOR US, THAT'S THE PLANO WAY OF DOING THINGS.

WE THINK THIS IS GOING TO CONTINUE TO MAKE PLANO VERY COMPETITIVE FOR OFFICERS IN THE FUTURE.

IT GIVES US SOME STABILITY IN OUR BUDGET LOOKING FORWARD.

AND OVERALL, WE ARE IN STRONG SUPPORT OF THIS AGREEMENT.

AND WITH THAT, I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.

ALL RIGHT.

UM, I THINK WE HAVE ONE SPEAKER.

ALL RIGHT, UH, KYLE MCGILLAN.

HELLO AGAIN.

BEFORE I SAY ANYTHING ELSE, I JUST WANT TO CONGRATULATE THE FRATERNAL ORDER OF POLICE ON THEIR FIRST EVER MEET AND CON FOR AGREEMENT WITH THE CITY OF PLANO.

AS A TEACHER, I'M NOT ALLOWED TO BARGAIN WITH THE GOVERNMENT, SO I RECOGNIZE WHAT A PRIVILEGE THIS REALLY IS.

AND BOY, DID THEY MANAGE TO SECURE A SWEETHEART DEAL FOR THEIR OFFICERS.

ENORMOUS RAISES FOR MOST LEVELS OF THE DEPARTMENT OVER THE NEXT FEW YEARS.

WELL ABOVE PROJECTED INFLATION, ONCE AGAIN, AS A TEACHER, I CAN'T EVEN IMAGINE.

OH, AND THEN THERE'S THE PROVISION GUARANTEEING PAID ADMINISTRATIVE LEAVE FOR UNION REPS WHEN THEY'RE PREPARING TO NEGOTIATE.

I BARELY GET PAID FOR THE WORK I DO ON THE CLOCK.

SO WELL PLAYED.

FOP WELL PLAYED.

BUT YOU KNOW WHAT REALLY STANDS OUT TO ME IN THIS CONTRACT? THE FACT THAT IT COULD COULD ALLOW OFFICERS TO GET AWAY WITH CLASS C MISDEMEANORS SO LONG AS THEY COVER THEIR TRACKS FOR A YEAR.

I LIKE TO DIRECT EVERYBODY'S ATTENTION TO ARTICLE 12 SECTION ONE OF THE AGREEMENT, WHICH STATES THAT UNLESS A TRANSGRESSION CONSTITUTES A FELONY OR HIGH LEVEL MISDEMEANOR DISCIPLINE CAN ONLY BE IMPOSED ON AN OFFICER QUOTE WITHIN 365 CALENDAR DAYS FROM THE DATE THAT THE MISCONDUCT OCCURRED.

WELL, LET'S CONSIDER A HYPOTHETICAL SCENARIO THAT WOULD QUALIFY AS A CLASS C MISDEMEANOR.

ACCORDING TO THE TEXAS GOVERNMENT CODE, A PERSON COMMITS A CLASS C MISDEMEANOR IF HE OR SHE USES AN UNMANNED AIRCRAFT TO CAPTURE AN IMAGE OF AN INDIVIDUAL OR PRIVATELY OWNED REAL PROPERTY IN THE STATE WITH THE INTENT TO CONDUCT UNAUTHORIZED SURVEILLANCE.

HUH? SO IF A COP USES A DRONE TO SPY ON AN X OR TRACK THE WHEREABOUTS OF A POLITICAL TROUBLEMAKER, THEY COULD COVER IT UP FOR A SINGLE CALENDAR YEAR AND POTENTIALLY AVOID ANY INTERNAL DISCIPLINE.

AM I READING THIS RIGHT? WHEN CHIEF DRAIN ASSURED US THAT THE DEPARTMENT SURVEILLANCE PROGRAMS ARE WELL-REGULATED, IS THIS WHAT HE HAD IN MIND? COUNCIL MEMBERS? THERE'S AN EASY WAY TO FIX THIS LOOPHOLE.

MAKE IT SO THAT ANY MISCONDUCT CAN BE PUNISHED WITHIN A CERTAIN TIMEFRAME AFTER IT'S DISCOVERED, NOT AFTER IT OCCURS.

OR WE COULD JUST FOLLOW WASHINGTON DC'S EXAMPLE AND BAR THE FOP FROM HAVING ANY INFLUENCE OVER OFFICER ACCOUNTABILITY.

I KNOW SOME OF YOU LOVE THE POLICE STATE, BUT IF YOU LET IT GET AWAY WITH TOO MUCH, PEOPLE MIGHT START TO WONDER IF IT'S THE COPS WHO REALLY RUN THE CITY.

AND THAT'S A CRAZY IDEA, RIGHT? WELL, I GUESS WE'LL FIND OUT.

SO WHAT'S IT GONNA BE? ANOTHER UNANIMOUS VOTE WE'RE GONNA SPICED UP FOR US EITHER WAY.

I LOOK FORWARD TO IT.

THANK YOU.

UH, THIS ITEM CAN'T GET MY, THIS ITEM IS, UH, TO CONSIDER TO AUTHORIZE THE EXECUTION.

SO THERE'S, IT'S NOT A PUBLIC HEARING, CORRECT? SO, MAYOR, UM, I ANXIOUSLY READ THROUGH THE MEET AND CONFER.

I SPOKE WITH CITY STAFF.

I'VE SPOKEN TO SOME POLICEMEN ABOUT THIS.

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SO, I VERY MUCH AM IN FAVOR OF THIS, AND I MOVE TO APPROVE MAYOR.

MAYOR, I SECOND IT AS WELL.

AND I'VE SPOKEN TO A FEW OFFICERS AS WELL, AND I AGREE WITH THIS.

THANK YOU.

SO I HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND TO APPROVE.

ITEM NUMBER ONE, PLEASE VOTE.

MOTION PASSES EIGHT TO ZERO.

NEXT ITEM

[(2) 26-866 Consideration of an Ordinance to repeal in its entirety Ordinance No. 2026-9-13; establishing the classifications for the civil service members of the Plano Police Department for fiscal year 2026-27; establishing the number of positions and effective date for such positions for each classification; establishing the Compensation Plan for the civil service members of the Plano Police Department; establishing Certification and Assignment Pay Plans for the civil service members of the Plano Police Department for fiscal year 2026-27; and providing a repealer clause, a severability clause and an effective date.]

ORDINANCE NUMBER 2026 DASH NINE DASH 13, ESTABLISHING THE CLASSIFICATIONS FOR CIVIL SERVICE MEMBERS OF THE PLANO POLICE DEPARTMENT FOR THE FISCAL YEAR 20 26 27, ESTABLISHING THE NUMBER OF POSITIONS AND EFFECTIVE DATE FOR SUCH POSITIONS FOR EACH CLASSIFICATION.

ESTABLISHING THE COMPENSATION PLAN FOR THE CIVIL SERVICE MEMBERS OF THE PLANO POLICE DEPARTMENT, ESTABLISHING CERTIFICATION AND ASSIGNMENT PAY PLANS FOR THE CIVIL SERVICE MEMBERS OF THE PLANO POLICE DEPARTMENT FOR FISCAL YEAR 20 26, 27, AND PROVIDING A REPEAL CLAUSE, A SEVERABILITY CLAUSE, AND AN EFFECTIVE DATE.

MAYOR AND COUNCIL, THIS IS THE, AN ORDINANCE THAT IS THE COMPLIMENTARY TO THE MEET AND CONFER AGREEMENT THAT YOU JUST PASSED TO MAKE SURE THAT OUR COMPENSATION PLANS STAY IN ALIGNMENT WITH WHAT WE JUST PASSED.

SO THIS NEEDS TO MOVE FORWARD IN ORDER TO MAKE SURE THAT WE ARE IN ALIGNMENT WITH OUR MEET AND CONFER AGREEMENT.

MAY I MOVE TO APPROVE ITEM TWO? SECOND.

SECOND.

THANK YOU.

I HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND TO APPROVE, UH, THE CONSIDERATION OF THE ORDINANCE IN ITEM TWO.

PLEASE VOTE.

MOTION PASSES.

EIGHT TO ZERO.

WE NEED TO GO BACK TO, UH, PRELIMINARY OPEN MEETING.

ITEM NUMBER FOUR, THE PLANO AQUATIC CENTER UPDATE.

HELLO, RON.

GOOD EVENING, MAYOR AND COUNCIL.

THANK YOU.

THIS IS AN OPPORTUNITY.

UH, I'M RON SMITH.

YOUR PARKS AND RECREATION DIRECTOR.

WANT TO GIVE YOU AN UPDATE ON THE P PLANO AQUATIC CENTER.

UH, I MAY REFER TO IT AS PAC OR THE PAC DURING THIS PRESENTATION.

THE IMAGE ON THE SCREEN SHOWS THE LOCATION OF THE PLANO AQUATIC CENTER IN RELATION TO THE OTHER PUBLICLY OWNED AND OPERATED SWIMMING POOLS IN PLANO.

WHEN THE PLANO AQUATIC CENTER OPENED IN 1977, THE CITY ENTERED INTO A LEASE AGREEMENT WITH THE SCHOOL DISTRICT FOR 50 YEARS FOR THE CITY TO OPERATE AND MAINTAIN THE PROGRAMS OF THE PLANO AQUATIC CENTER.

THAT LEASE EXPIRES THE, UH, 16TH OF AUGUST, 2027.

UH, WHEN THE AQUATIC CENTER WAS BUILT, IT WAS THE ONLY INDOOR PUBLIC SCHOOL, UH, SWIMMING POOL WEST OF HIGHWAY US 75.

UH, WE'VE GOT, AS THE PREVIOUS IMAGE SHOWS, WE HAVE, UH, THREE INDOOR POOLS AT OAK POINT CARPENTER AND TOM BECK.

WE'VE RENOVATED THE JACK CARTER POOL TO SOMETHING, UH, SPECTACULAR THAT OUR RESIDENTS REALLY LOVE.

WE HAVE THE, UM, LIBERTY RECREATION CENTER JUST SOUTH OF PAC, ALL IN OPERATION, SOME INDOOR, SOME OUTDOOR.

SO THERE'S A LOT MORE THAT WE OFFER THAN WE DID 50 YEARS AGO.

UH, IT IS OUR RECOMMENDATION AS THE PARKS AND RECREATION DEPARTMENT THAT WE ALLOW THE LEASE TO MATURE TO ITS FULL TERM WITHOUT RENEWAL AND RELOCATE THE PROGRAMS THAT WE HAVE AT THE PLANO AQUATIC CENTER.

OVER A PHASED APPROACH TO THE OTHER FACILITIES THAT WE NOW HAVE IN OPERATION.

UH, THIS RECOMMENDATION ALIGNS WITH OUR FISCAL ROADMAP AND THE CITY COUNCIL'S VISION FOR AN EXCELLENT RUN CITY AND OUR FINANCIAL STEWARDSHIP.

THE, UH, WE HAVE AMPLE SPACE TO ACCOMMODATE THE PROGRAMS. OUR, UH, CURRENT PROGRAMS THAT WE HAVE, WATER AEROBICS, SWIM LESSONS, AND OPEN SWIM, AND THE PLANO SWIMMERS, THE COPS, AND ALSO THE PISD SWIM TEAMS OPERATE OUT OF THE PLANO AQUATIC CENTER.

WE WOULD BE ABLE TO OVER A PHASED APPROACH TO RELOCATE THE WATER AEROBICS, THE SWIM LESSONS, AND THE OPEN SWIM TO OUR OTHER VENUES.

THE TIMELINE IS IMPORTANT BECAUSE CURRENTLY THERE ARE THREE FULL-TIME POSITIONS THAT OPERATE THE PLANO AQUATIC CENTER.

TWO OF THOSE POSITIONS ARE CURRENTLY VACANT.

ONE WAS AN INTERNAL PROMOTION, ONE SEPARATED FROM THE

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SO AS, UH, IN AN ATTEMPT TO MAINTAIN THE ORGANIZATION'S STANDING AS A QUALITY EMPLOYER, WE CONSIDER IT PERHAPS THE BEST ALTERNATIVE TO NOT FILL THOSE TWO FULL-TIME POSITIONS FOR A NINE TO 10 MONTH PERIOD AND THEN HAVE TO TERMINATE THOSE POSITIONS.

BUT IF WE COULD PHASE OUT THE PROGRAMMING AT THE PLANO AQUATIC CENTER, THE FIRST PHASE, UH, MOVING THE OPEN SWIM AND THE SWIM LESSONS TO OUR OTHER FACILITIES AFTER THE PISD WINTER BREAK ON JANUARY 5TH, ALLOW THE AEROBIC, THE WATER AEROBIC CLASSES TO CONTINUE THROUGH THE END OF, UH, THE TERM AUGUST 16TH, 2027, AND THEN LET ALL THOSE OPERATIONS TRANSITION BACK TO THE SCHOOL DISTRICT IN 2027.

UH, WE WANNA MAKE SURE THAT WE ARE UNDERSTANDING TO THOSE THAT WE'LL HAVE TO, UH, CHANGE THE LOCATION OF THEIR PREFERRED FORM OF EXERCISE, SWIMMING OR WATER AEROBICS, OR LEARN TO SWIM CLASSES IN THOSE OTHER FACILITIES.

SO WE HAVE A ROBUST COMMUNICATIONS PLAN THAT IS ALL READY TO GO.

IT INCLUDES A PRESS RELEASE.

IT HAS, UH, AN INFORMATION FAQ THAT WE'LL PUT ON THE WEBSITE.

WE HAVE COMMUNICATIONS READY TO GO TO ALL OF OUR PATRONS READY TO GO.

AS SOON AS COUNCIL PROVIDES US THE DIRECTION, WE'LL IMPLEMENT THAT TOMORROW MORNING.

UH, AND FINALLY, JUST TO RECAP, THIS IS IN LINE WITH THE CITY'S FISCAL ROADMAP INITIATIVE.

IT'S FISCALLY RESPONSIBLE.

WE ARE ABLE TO ACCOMMODATE THE PROGRAMS THAT EXIST AT PAC AT OUR OTHER FACILITIES THAT DIDN'T EXIST WHEN THE PLANO AQUATICS CENTER FIRST OPENED.

AND WE HAVE ALREADY NOTIFIED THE SCHOOL DISTRICT, THEY HAVE, UM, ARE, ARE SUPPORTIVE OF THIS AND THEY RECOGNIZE IT'LL BE AN OPPORTUNITY FOR THEM TO MORE FULLY UTILIZE THAT FACILITY FOR THEIR PROGRAMS. AND I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS WE HAVE.

WE HAVE ONE SPEAKER.

CAN WE DO THAT FIRST? SURE.

YEAH.

MK WARNER.

HI.

THANKS FOR THE CHANCE TO PRESENT, UH, A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT POINT OF VIEW THAN WHAT MR. SMITH JUST GAVE US.

UM, AS YOU CAN SEE FROM ME COMING DOWN THE STAIRS, AND SOME OF YOU KNOW ME PERSONALLY, THAT I'M A CANCER SURVIVOR AND I'M DISABLED.

AND THE PLANO AQUATIC CENTER HAS BEEN ACTUALLY THE KEY TO ME BEING ABLE TO LITERALLY STAY ON THE ROAD.

UM, AND I'M NOT THE ONLY ONE.

THERE ARE DOZENS, HUNDREDS, ACTUALLY OF RETIRED TEACHERS, SOME OF WHOM HAVE JOINED US.

UM, OTHER CANCER SURVIVORS, OTHER PEOPLE WHO ARE DISABLED, WHO USE THE PLANO AQUATICS CENTER.

UM, IT'S NOT JUST THE POOL ITSELF.

IT'S A COMMUNITY OF PEOPLE, UM, WHO ARE ALL TAXPAYERS, UM, AND RELY ON THE, THE CENTER FOR THEIR WELLNESS, UM, IN MANY WAYS.

SO TODAY I PULLED UP, UH, MY CREDIT CARD STATEMENT, AND IN THE LAST TWO YEARS, I'VE PAID 17 OVER $1,700 TO THE CITY OF PLANO FOR WATER AEROBICS.

AND IT'S BEEN WORTH EVERY DIME OF IT.

BUT WHEN YOU MULTIPLY THAT DIME, THE THE NUMBER OF PEOPLE WHO ARE GOING INTO THAT POOL MONDAY, WEDNESDAY, FRIDAY, UM, FILLING THE POOL, THE CLASSES FILL UP IN LESS THAN 30 MINUTES FROM THE TIME THAT THE REGISTRATION OPENS.

I WOULD AT, IN THE STRONGEST TERMS POSSIBLE DISPUTE THAT THESE PEOPLE CAN BE ACCOMMODATED READILY IN THE OTHER FACILITIES.

I DON'T BELIEVE IT.

THE PEOPLE WHO ARE IN THE CLASSES WITH ME DON'T BELIEVE IT.

UH, SO, YOU KNOW, THERE'S, THERE'S ABOUT 50 PEOPLE WHO ARE SHOWING UP WHO ARE PAYING THAT SAME $1,700 OVER A COUPLE OF FISCAL YEARS.

THAT'S A LOT OF MONEY THAT WE ARE PUTTING INTO THE FACILITY AND THAT WE HAVE, UM, HAVE PAID, YOU KNOW, TO THE CITY.

AND ACTUALLY, I THINK THE WATER AEROBICS PROGRAM SPECIFICALLY IS VERY MUCH A CASH COW FOR THE OPERATIONS OF THE POOL.

AND SO, UM, I, UH, I WOULD CALL ON THE COUNCIL TO, UH, MAYBE SEND

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UM, THE CARPENTER POOL, WHICH IS IN CENTRAL PLANO, ALL THE OTHER ONES ARE OUTDOOR FACILITIES.

CARPENTER IS AN INDOOR FACILITY, BUT IT CANNOT ACCOMMODATE DEEP WATER AEROBICS, UM, AT THE SAME LEVEL THAT THE PLANO AQUATICS CENTER CAN, AND IT CANNOT ACCOMMODATE THE SAME NUMBER OF PEOPLE IN THE COURSES.

PLUS THAT 15 SECONDS CARPENTER, IS THAT MY TIME? NO, YOU HAVE, SORRY.

UM, A LITTLE TIME LEFT.

CAR CARPENTER.

UH, THOSE CLASSES ARE ALREADY FULL AS WELL.

SO, YOU KNOW, AGAIN, I REALLY THINK IT NEEDS TO GO BACK TO THE DRAWING BOARD AS TO THIS ABILITY TO JUST MAGICALLY ABSORB THESE, YOU KNOW, HUNDREDS OF PEOPLE WHO ARE COMING FOR WATER AEROBICS EVERY WEEK AT THE PLANO AQUATIC CENTER AND WHERE THEY'RE GONNA BE BECAUSE MULE AND BECK IS FULL OAK POINT IS FULL.

THE NUMBER OF CLASSES, THE NUMBER OF PARTICIPANTS HAS GROWN EXPONENTIALLY OVER THE LAST FEW YEARS.

UM, THE PEOPLE OF CENTRAL PLANO REALLY, YOU KNOW, WANT PLANO PARKS AND REC TO, TO STAND UP FOR WHAT THEY'VE SAID, WHICH IS MS. WARNER EXCELLENCE SERVICES.

UM, THANK YOU FOR THE OPPORTUNITY.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

ALRIGHT.

UM, MAYOR .

YEAH, THANK YOU.

UH, THANK YOU RON, FOR THE PRESENTATION.

A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS.

YOU SAID THAT FULL-TIME EMPLOYEES WERE, UH, WE'RE JUST NOT GONNA FILL THOSE POSITIONS, BUT WHAT ABOUT THOSE PART-TIME EMPLOYEES? THE LIFEGUARDS, THE WATER SAFETY INSTRUCTORS, THE AEROBICS INSTRUCTORS, UH, FROM A STAFFING, I KNOW THEY'RE PART-TIME EMPLOYEES ARE, WE'RE GONNA BE ABLE TO TRANSITION THEM TO OTHER POOLS.

SO I'LL MAKE A DISTINCTION BETWEEN THE INSTRUCTORS THAT ARE CONTRACTORS.

WE WANNA RETAIN THOSE POPULAR TEACHERS CERTAINLY AND RELOCATE THEM WITH ALL OF THEIR CLASS MEMBERS TO ONE OF THE OTHER INDOOR FACILITIES, WHETHER IT'S MULLEN, BECK OR, OR, UH, OAK POINT OR CARPENTER, WHATEVER, WHETHER IT'S A DEEP OR OR SHALLOW WATER AEROBICS.

AS FAR AS THE PART-TIME EMPLOYEES WE HAVE, UH, IT'S AN ISSUE EVERY YEAR THAT WE FACE IN TRYING TO RECRUIT AND HIRE ENOUGH OF THOSE LEARN TO SWIM AND THOSE LIFEGUARDS.

SO WE HAVE A PLACE FOR ALL OF THOSE PART-TIMERS AT OUR OTHER FACILITIES.

OKAY.

WITH, NOW LET'S GO TO USAGE OF THE PACK.

WE, WE JUST HEARD WE HAD THE WARM, OUR DEEP WATER AEROBICS.

I'M ASSUMING THAT'S A WARM WATER POOL.

IS, IS NO, YES.

IT'S, IT'S, IT'S NOT THE, THE WARMER POOL I WOULD CONSIDER TO BE CARPENTER.

CARPENTER PACK IS NOT.

OKAY.

SO THIS IS A DEEP WATER POOL THAT THEY'RE USING FOR WATER AEROBICS, IS THAT CORRECT? YES.

WHAT OTHER POOL DO WE HAVE THAT WOULD QUALIFY AN INDOOR POOL THAT WOULD QUALIFY AS A DEEP WATER POOL THAT COULD USE IT? UH, BOTH HAD TOM MULLEN BACK RECREATION CENTER AND THE OAK POINT RECREATION CENTER.

AND THOSE ARE INDOOR POOLS? YES SIR.

AND THEY HAVE TIME FOR THAT.

ALRIGHT.

UH, AND NOW BACK TO THE PACK.

HOW MUCH IS IT BEING USED? YOU KNOW, I'VE GOT SOME NUMBERS HERE.

THIS IS TOTAL USAGE.

SO, UH, IN COMPARISON, THIS IS FOR THE ENTIRE FACILITY.

SO ONE OF THE ISSUES THAT WE HAVE WITH THE PLANO AQUATIC CENTER, IT IS EXCLUSIVELY A POOL.

THERE'S NO GYMNASIUM, THERE'S NO INDOOR TRACK, THERE'S NO EXPANSIVE EXERCISE ROOM.

SO THE COST RECOVERY OF PAC IS LAGGING FAR BEHIND OUR OTHER RECREATION FACILITIES.

AND WE HAVE RECEIVED GUIDANCE FROM COUNCIL TO MEET A SPECIFIC COST RECOVERY THRESHOLD FOR OUR RECREATION VENUES.

THE COST RECOVERY FOR PLANO AQUATIC CENTER IS 11%.

WE'RE SUPPOSED TO MEET A, A MINIMUM OF 41% AT OUR RECREATION VENUES.

PAX TOTAL USAGE, UH, IS 82,000 COMPARISON TO CARPENTER, WHICH IS 585,000 LIBERTY RECREATION CENTER, 188,000 OAK POINT RECREATION CENTER, 421,000.

SAM JOHNSON CENTER, 233,000 AND TOM BECK 462,000.

SO YEAH, THOSE ARE BIGGER FACILITIES.

THEIR USAGE RATES ARE MUCH HIGHER AND YET WE STILL HAVE CAPACITY TO MEET THE NEEDS AT THOSE VENUES IF WE WERE TO TRANSITION OUT OF THE PLANO AQUATIC CENTER.

OKAY.

MY LAST QUESTION, YOU MAY NOT KNOW THE ANSWER, BUT AT THE END OF OUR TERM WE'RE JUST GONNA HAND THIS BACK OVER TO PISD.

THAT'S CORRECT.

IS CORRECT ANY IDEA OF WHAT THEY'RE GOING TO USE IT FOR? YEAH, THEY'RE GONNA USE IT FOR THEIR SWIM TEAMS AND THE CITY OF PLANO SWIMMERS, OUR COPS PROGRAM WILL STAY THERE AS WELL.

OKAY.

ANY CHANCE THAT PISD WOULD TAKE ON, UH, WATER AEROBICS AS THEIR OWN OUTSIDE OF THE PARKS AND REC? SO I KNOW THAT WE, UH, WE TOURED THE FACILITY WITH PISD REPRESENTATION

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OKAY.

THANK YOU.

COUNCIL MEMBER LEVI.

UH, THANK YOU.

I'M GONNA FOLLOW UP ON THE MAYOR PRO TEMPS, UH, QUESTIONS.

UM, ALRIGHT.

SO WE HAVE THE CAPABILITY AT, UH, THESE OTHER DEEP WATER, UH, POOLS.

UM, BUT DOES THAT MEAN THAT YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE ADDITIONAL TIMES SET ASIDE? BECAUSE WHAT WE HEARD WAS THOSE CLASSES ARE FULL.

UM, SO ARE WE GONNA HAVE ADDITIONAL TIME AND CLASSES SET ASIDE FOR, UH, THE AEROBICS PROGRAM? YES, WE HAVE THE SPACE.

I THINK IT'S REALLY GOING TO BE A FUNCTION OF INSTRUCTORS.

SO WE HAVE THE SPACE IN THE POOLS.

IF WE NEED TO ACCOMMODATE MORE, LET'S SAY WATER AEROBIC CLASSES, WE CAN DO SO ARE WE MOVING INSTRUCTORS OVER FROM THAT? YEAH, WE WOULD LOVE TO.

WE WOULD LOVE TO RETAIN THOSE TEACHERS AND THEIR ENTIRE CLASS ROSTER AND RELOCATE THEM TO ONE OF OUR OTHER NEWER FACILITIES.

THANK YOU.

YOU'RE WELCOME.

DEPUTY MAYOR.

THANK YOU MAYOR.

UM, SO YOU MENTIONED, I BELIEVE UTILIZATION IS 82,000 FOR THIS FACILITY OR YES.

SOMETHING NEXT.

AND THEN YOU MENTIONED ALL THE OTHERS.

BUT WHEN I TALK ABOUT FACILITIES AND SQUARE FOOTAGE SIZE, 'CAUSE THOSE ARE SIGNIFICANTLY DI LARGER VERSUS THIS ONE, DO YOU HAVE THAT UTILIZATION RATIO? I DON'T HAVE THAT BROKEN OUT BY SQUARE FOOTAGE.

I DO HAVE, UH, SOME NUMBERS AS FAR AS THE NU SO SOME OF THOSE 82,000 THAT ATTEND THE OR THAT PARTICIPATE AT THE PLANO AQUATIC CENTER, UH, 26,000 OF THOSE ARE THE SWIM TEAMS. UH, AS FAR AS MEMBERSHIP SCANS OVER THE COURSE OF A YEAR MM-HMM .

13,000 AS FAR AS A WATER, UH, WATER AQUATIC PROGRAM REGISTRANTS 3,700.

OKAY.

SO THOSE IN COMPARISON, UH, I COULD BREAK THOSE DOWN AND MAYBE SAY IF YOU WANT IT PER SQUARE FOOTAGE OR PER, UH, SQUARE FOOTAGE OF THE POOL FOR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.

YEAH.

AND THE REASON WHY I'M BRINGING THAT UP BECAUSE IT MIGHT STILL BE A WASH IF YOU LOOK AT THE SQUARE FOOTAGE, 'CAUSE THE OTHER LOCATIONS, IS THAT BASED ON POOL UTILIZATION AS WELL TOO? OR IS THAT THE COURTS? SO THE OTHER FACILITIES TOTAL USAGE.

OKAY.

WET SIDE AND DRY SIDE.

SINCE PACK IS ONLY A POOL, IT'S JUST THE SWIMMING POOL.

SO THEN DO YOU HAVE A BREAKDOWN UTILIZATION OF ONLY POOL FOR THOSE LOCATIONS? POOL? NO, BECAUSE WE, WHEN SOMEONE COMES IN AND CHECKS IN WITH THEIR MEMBERSHIP, WE DON'T ASK THEM HERE YOU'RE JUST USING THE, THE CARDIO OR YOU'RE JUST USING THE POOL.

WE JUST HAVE TOTAL USAGE.

SO THAT STILL DOESN'T BREAK IT DOWN TO ME.

I MEAN, YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN? LIKE IT DOES, MAYBE I'M NOT MAKING SENSE, BUT, SO WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT THIS NOT NECESSARILY AS A USAGE FUNCTION, BUT THE FINANCIAL STEWARDSHIP OF THIS IS REALLY, UH, IT GIVES US AN OPPORTUNITY RIGHT NOW TO TRY TO RIGHT SIZE AND, AND RIGHT.

WITHOUT RENEWING THIS LEASE WITH THE SCHOOL DISTRICT.

AND I FOLLOW YOU TOO, BUT I'M LOOKING AT A USAGE, NOT FINANCIAL.

IT'S KIND OF LIKE OUR LIBRARIES AND THEN WE GOT RID OF ONE LIBRARY.

MM-HMM .

BUT MY NEXT QUESTION TO THAT AREA IS, DO WE KNOW DISTANCE OF TRAVEL FROM THE PEOPLE THAT DO UTILIZE PLAQUE AND THEN THE TIME AND THE DISTANCE FOR THEM TO GO FROM ONE TO THE OTHER? SO WE HAVE NOT LOOKED AT WHERE EVERY PERSON THAT USES THE PLANO AQUATICS CENTER WHERE THEY LIVE.

OKAY.

UH, WE DO KNOW THAT WE HAVE A WIDE DISTRIBUTION ACROSS THE CITY OF SWIMMING POOLS.

NO, I GET THAT TOO.

BUT EXAMPLE FOR ME, IF I GO TO WHATABURGER, I'M GO TO THE WHATABURGER THAT'S CLOSEST TO ME, NOT BECAUSE WHATABURGER SHUT DOWN AND GO TO THE OTHER ONE, THEN I WON'T GO TO WHATABURGER ANYMORE.

MM-HMM .

DOES THAT MAKE SENSE? SO I STILL FEEL LIKE THERE'S A LOT OF QUESTIONS THAT HAVEN'T BEEN ANSWERED, AT LEAST FROM MY STANDPOINT, THE WAY I'M LOOKING AT THIS.

I'D BE HAPPY TO TRY TO ANSWER THOSE FOR YOU.

YOU DIDN'T HAVE THE ANSWERS LIKE SQUARE FOOTAGE, UTILIZATION, SO THE SQUARE FOOTAGE, THE TIME DISTANCE, IF YOU CLOSE ON THIS ONE WHERE THOSE PEOPLE ARE GOING BASICALLY LIKE A HEAT MAP OF TIME.

'CAUSE IF I'M GOING TO WATER AQUATICS, WATER AQUATICS, DO I NEED TO FACTOR IN ANOTHER 30, 45 MINUTES TO INCOME? I MEAN, CHANGE, SHOWER, GET DRESSED, TRAVEL CHECK IN, CHANGE SHOWER, AND, AND EVERYTHING ELSE WOULD BE THE SAME FACILITY TO FACILITY.

OKAY.

SO IT'S, IT'S REALLY JUST THE TIME TRAVEL IS GOING TO BE, THERE'S A DISTANCE VERSUS TO, TO YOUR POINT RIGHT, OF COMPARISON THIS FACILITY VERSUS A DIFFERENT FACILITY.

I THINK THE, I THINK THE, THE RECOMMENDATION IS COMING BECAUSE THERE IS THE ABILITY TO ABSORB THE EXISTING PROGRAMS FOR SOMETHING THAT, THAT IS BASICALLY FROM A, A COST RECOVERY PERSPECTIVE OUT OF LINE WITH WHAT WE'VE GIVEN DIRECTION TO PREVIOUSLY.

SO I THINK THIS IS PARTLY TO, TO DO THAT.

BUT I THINK THE, THE UTILIZATION TO YOUR, TO YOUR POINT, IF THERE'S THE ABILITY TO, TO OFFER

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RIGHT.

I STILL FEEL LIKE THERE'S QUESTIONS I STILL HAVE ON THAT, BUT, ALRIGHT.

COUNCIL MEMBER DOWNS.

SO DIRECTOR SMITH, I I HAVE A, A QUESTION.

HOW MUCH DOES IT COST THE CITY OF PLANO TO OPERATE THE PLANO AQUATIC CENTER ANNUALLY? YEAH.

I'VE GOT, UH, ASSISTANT DIRECTOR GREG GAGNER AND I'M GONNA ASK HIM TO COME DOWN AND JOIN ME WITH THOSE NUMBERS.

I BELIEVE THAT THE, THE AMOUNT THAT WE COULD SEE AS FAR AS A REDUCTION IN EXPENSE AFTER ALL COSTS IS SOMEWHERE BETWEEN 700,000 AND A MILLION DOLLARS.

BUT MR. GAGNAN CAN GIVE ME THE NUMBERS AS FAR AS THE OPERATION OF THE PLANO AQUATIC CENTER, GREG.

SO THE PLAN AQUATICS CENTER, THE, UM, DIRECT EXPENSES, SO THE ACTUAL BUDGET FOR THE PLAN AQUATIC CENTER IS $745,000 ANNUALLY.

NOW ON TOP OF THAT, THERE ARE THE INDIRECT EXPENSES THAT WE HAVE TO, YOU KNOW, ACCOUNT FOR IN OUR COST RECOVERIES, YOU KNOW, TO OFFSET THE EXPENSES FROM OTHER CITY SERVICES AND THOSE EQUAL $640,000.

SO THE TOTAL NET OPERATIONS FOR THAT FACILITY IS A NEGATIVE $1,000,001.2 MILLION.

CAN YOU STATE WHAT THE REVENUE COMING DIRECTLY FROM THAT IS AS WELL? SURE.

THE REVENUE FOR THE PANEL AQUATIC CENTER, $157,000 OUTTA THE GENERAL FOR THE GENERAL FUND IN THE REVENUE THAT'S COMING IN THAT'S RELATED TO THE MEMBERSHIPS THAT OUR CITIZENS PAY TO PARTICIPATE IN THIS PROGRAMS. MEMBERSHIPS, MEMBERSHIPS, DAILY FEES, POOL RENTALS, UM, BIRTHDAY PARTIES, VARIOUS THINGS OF THAT.

YES.

SO AS YOU'RE THINKING ABOUT THE COST RECOVERY OF THIS, AND YOU STATED 11%, IT, IT'S FAIR TO SAY THAT IF IT COSTS US $1.2 MILLION TO OPERATE SOMETHING THAT GIVES US ABOUT 157,000, THAT'S WHERE WE'RE LOOKING AT THAT COST RECOVERY DIRECTIVE THAT HAS COME FROM PRIOR COUNCILS AND THIS COUNCILS ABOUT LOOKING AT THAT.

CORRECT.

UM, AND AS WE CONSIDER THAT AND WE THINK ABOUT THE OTHER POOLS AND WANTING TO MAKE SURE THAT WE OFFER THESE PROGRAMS TO THE INDIVIDUALS THAT UTILIZE THEM, IS IT, ARE WE ABLE TO MAKE SURE THAT WE CAN MEET THEIR NEEDS WHILE STILL CONSIDERING THE FISCAL RESPONSIBILITY? YEAH, SO STAFF, UM, HAVE, OUR AQUATIC STAFF HAVE ACTUALLY LOOKED AT WAYS TO ACCOMMODATE THE VARIOUS PROGRAMS THAT ARE CURRENTLY OFFERED AT PLAY AQUATIC CENTER.

AND THEY HAVE DEVELOPED A PLAN TO ACCOMMODATE ALL THOSE PROGRAMS. UM, THE WATER AEROBICS, WE HAVE SPACE, SO IT SHOULD NOT BE AN ISSUE.

WE, WE WILL HAVE TO PROBABLY HAVE TO MAKE, WE'LL PROBABLY HAVE TO ADD ADDITIONAL, UM, CLASSES, CLASS TIMES, UM, THE LEARN TO SWIM PROGRAMS, WE HAVE PLENTY OF SPACE.

OUR ISSUE IS ALWAYS NUMBER OF INSTRUCTORS, NUMBER OF QUALIFIED INSTRUCTORS THAT CAN, YOU KNOW, TEACH THE PROGRAMS SO WE CAN ACCOMMODATE EVERYBODY WHO WOULD LIKE TO TAKE THE CLASSES.

SO WE'LL STILL BE ABLE TO ACCOMMODATE THE SAME NUMBER.

WE'RE STILL GONNA HAVE LONG WAITING LISTS BECAUSE WE, WE'RE NOT INCREASING THE NUMBER OF INSTRUCTORS SYSTEM WIDE.

IT'S STILL THE SAME NUMBER OF, OF INSTRUCTORS, BUT WE, WE HAVE A SPACE TO ACCOMMODATE THE NEXT CLASSES.

SO WE HAVE THE SPACE, BUT WE DON'T HAVE THE INSTRUCTORS.

SO WHAT ARE WE DOING AS A CITY TO FIND THOSE INSTRUCTORS TO, WE ARE CURRENTLY WORKING WITH, UM, THE HUMAN RESOURCES DEPARTMENT AND DEVELOPING SOME DIFFERENT, UM, HIRING PROCEDURES AND PROCESSES AND STRATEGIES TO INCREASE THAT.

THE PROBLEM WITH SWIM INSTRUCTORS, IT'S A VERY SPECIALIZED SKILL.

THEY HAVE TO, THEY HAVE TO KNOW EVERY SWIM STROKE AND THEY HAVE TO BE PROFICIENT AT IT SO THAT YOUR NUMBER OF, UM, YOUR POOL OF QUALIFIED CANDIDATES IS SMALL TO BEGIN WITH.

SO, YOU KNOW, WE, WE WORK A LOT WITH SWIM TEAMS, UM, AND TRY TO, YOU KNOW, RECRUIT THOSE KIDS OVER.

UH, THEY, THEY'RE GREAT INSTRUCTORS 'CAUSE THEY KNOW THE STROKES AND THEY, THEY'VE BEEN THROUGH THE, THE PROCESS.

SO THAT, THAT'S OUR PRIMARY SOURCE OF, OF, UM, EMPLOYERS EMPLOYMENT.

WELL, THANK YOU FOR THAT.

UM, I THINK MY COMMENTS ARE IS THAT I'M ALL ABOUT THE DOLLARS HERE AND MAKING SURE THAT WE ARE FISCALLY RESPONSIBLE WITH OUR CITIZENS' DOLLARS.

UM, YET I WANT US TO BE CO COGNIZANT OF THOSE INDIVIDUALS THAT UTILIZE THE PROGRAMS. SO MAKING SURE THAT WE ROLL OUT THE ADEQUATE PLANS TO MAKE SURE THEIR NEEDS ARE BEING TAKEN CARE OF, THAT THEY CONTINUE TO HAVE THEIR GROUPS THAT CAN JOIN A CLASS TOGETHER TO CONTINUE TO HAVE THOSE RELATIONSHIPS THAT THEY HAVE BUILT OVER THOSE PROGRAMS. UM, YEAH, BUT THE NUMBERS, THE NUMBERS SPEAK A LOT TO ME.

YEP.

AND I CAN ADDRESS, UM, MR. KINNEY'S QUESTION ABOUT HEAT MAPS A LITTLE BIT.

UM, IN GENERAL, I I, I

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UM, SO WE'VE, UH, LIKE MAJORITY OF OUR PROGRAMS WHEN TOMSON WAS CLOSED, MOVED TO LIBERTY AND THOSE PROGRAMS WERE VERY SUCCESSFUL THERE.

IN FACT, SOME OF 'EM HAVE CONTINUED THERE WHILE GOING BACK TO BECK 'CAUSE THE PROGRAMS GREW SO MUCH.

UM, BUT THEY FOLLOW INSTRUCTORS WE FOUND.

NOW, MEMBERSHIP WISE, YOU'RE CORRECT, THEY GO TO THE CLOSEST FACILITY TO THEIR WORK OR THEIR HOME, BUT FOR PROGRAMS THEY, THEY GEN TEND TO FOLLOW INSTRUCTORS.

THANK YOU FOR THAT.

AND I, I DO AGREE WITH YOUR COMMENT ABOUT FOLLOWING INSTRUCTORS BECAUSE NORMALLY ONCE YOU BUILD THAT RELATIONSHIP, YOU TEND TO FOLLOW.

RIGHT.

I AGREE WITH THAT.

YEAH.

NOT ONLY WITH AN INSTRUCTOR, BUT WITH A, WITH A GROUP OF PEOPLE TOO.

YEAH.

WITH, YOU KNOW, WITHIN THE CLASS.

I FOLLOW YOU THERE DON'T GO ANYWHERE.

OKAY.

SO I, I THINK NOTHING SET IN STONE, BUT I THINK WE'RE TRYING TO GIVE SOME DIRECTION.

THE OTHER ONE IS, I, I WOULD LIKE, UM, THE OPPORTUNITY TO SEE WHETHER OR NOT PISD COULD ACCOMMODATE, UH, THOSE THINGS, ESPECIALLY DURING DIFFERENT TIMES.

ONE OPTION THAT WE COULD LOOK AT WITH PSD AS WELL IS POTENTIALLY RENTING THAT FAC RENTING THE SPACE BACK FROM THEM FOR A COUPLE HOURS.

NOW HOW WE WOULD PAY FOR THAT WOULD BE THE QUESTION BECAUSE, WELL, OUR PROGRAMS ARE OUT OF REVOLVING ACCOUNT, NOT GENERAL FUNDS.

SO WE'D HAVE TO LOOK AT POSSIBLY INCREASING THE COST OF THE PROGRAM TO OFFSET THE, THE, THE EXPENSE FOR THE RENTAL.

BUT THAT IS AN OPTION.

WELL, AND THAT'S, THAT'S UP TO PISD IN THE CITY OF PLANO TO TO, TO MAKE ABSOLUTELY MAKE THAT DEAL.

BUT IT CERTAINLY WOULDN'T BE $1.2 MILLION CORRECT.

UPSIDE DOWN.

CORRECT.

BUT, UM, MAY I AGREE WITH YOU WITH THAT COMMENT THAT IT MAKE, IT WOULD MAKE ME FEEL A LITTLE BIT MORE COMFORTABLE IF WE KNEW THE ADDITIONAL OPTIONS.

YEAH.

AND, AND AT THE SAME TIME CONTINUE THE PLAN.

BUT, UM, WITH, WITH THE OTHER, UH, UH, CENTERS, BUT YES, SO SEE WHETHER OR NOT PISD WOULD BE ABLE TO ACCOMMODATE, UH, THE, UH, AEROBICS.

YEAH, WE CAN HAVE THAT DISCUSSION WITH THEM.

WE ALSO, UH, THE TIMING PLAN ALLOWS WATER AEROBICS TO STAY AT THE FACILITY UNTIL AUGUST OF 2027.

SO APPROXIMATELY 300 CALENDAR DAYS, WE WILL BE ABLE TO HAVE THOSE CONVERSATIONS BEFORE ANY OF THE WATER AEROBICS CLASSES ARE RELOCATED.

ALRIGHT.

COUNCIL MEMBER LEVINE, DID YOU, I I'M, I'M WONDERING WHETHER OR NOT, GIVEN OUR CONCERNS THAT WE SHOULD TABLE THIS, UM, AND HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO REVISIT THIS, UH, AFTER THE DISCUSSION WITH PISD AND POSSIBLY INTERVIEWS WITH SOME OF THE INSTRUCTORS TO SEE IF THEY'D BE WILLING TO MOVE TO SOME OF THE OTHER, UH, FACILITIES.

IT'S NOT A, WE WOULDN'T HAVE TO TABLE IT, WE JUST, WE'LL JUST BRING IT BACK IF THAT'S SO WE'RE ON, BECAUSE WE HAVE THAT TIMING BUILT IN THAT THAT DOES NOT CREATE AN ISSUE FOR STAFF WHATSOEVER TO, TO GO BACK AND HAVE THESE CONVERSATIONS AND THEN RETURN WITH SOME ANSWERS HERE.

HERE'S WHAT WE WOULD HAVE TO DO.

IF WE ARE NOT GONNA IMPLEMENT THIS PLAN THAT STOPS THE LEARN TO SWIM AND THE LAP SWIMMING JANUARY FIVE, WE ARE GOING TO NEED TO HIRE THOSE POSITIONS.

IT, IT ONLY SAVES US IMMEDIATELY FINANCIALLY BY NOT FILLING THOSE POSITIONS.

IF WE START TRANSITIONING AWAY RIGHT AFTER THE PISD BREAK ON JANUARY 5TH, AND THAT WOULD BE EVERYTHING BUT THE A WATER AEROBICS, IT WOULD BE LEARN TO SWIM AND IT WOULD BE OUR LAP SWIMMING.