Oct 12, 2026 City Council

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I NOW DECLARE THAT THE PLANO CITY COUNCIL IS RECONVENED INTO OPEN SESSION, THAT ALL MEMBERS ARE PRESENT.

[CALL TO ORDER ]

PLEASE RISE. ALMIGHTY GOD, CREATOR OF HEAVEN AND EARTH. IN CELEBRATION OF THE RECENT JEWISH NEW YEAR.

LAST WEEK IN THE SYNAGOGUE, WE BEGAN ANEW THE ANNUAL CYCLE OF THE READING OF THE TORAH.

THE BIBLE, STARTING WITH GENESIS AND THE STORY OF CREATION IN THE VERY FIRST CHAPTER, THE TORAH.

THE BIBLE TEACHES US THAT YOU CREATED MANKIND, AND I QUOTE THE HEBREW B'TSELEM ELOKIM, IN THE IMAGE OF GOD.

THIS PROFOUND TEACHING REMINDS US THAT EVERY HUMAN BEING POSSESSES INHERENT DIGNITY, INFINITE WORTH, AND THE GOD GIVEN RIGHT TO LIVE IN FREEDOM AND PURSUE HAPPINESS.

YET GENESIS ALSO TEACHES US THAT FREEDOM COMES WITH RESPONSIBILITY.

EVEN IN THE GARDEN OF EDEN, SURROUNDED BY ABUNDANCE AND BLESSINGS.

ADAM AND EVE WERE GIVEN BOUNDARIES, RESTRICTED TO EAT FROM THE TREE OF KNOWLEDGE OF GOOD AND EVIL.

AND LATER, THROUGH NOAH, YOU ESTABLISHED UNIVERSAL PRINCIPLES OF MORALITY AND JUSTICE KNOWN AS, AND CAN ALSO BE FOUND ONLINE, THE SEVEN NOAHIDE LAWS.

THESE TEACHINGS REMIND US THAT WHILE WE ARE BLESSED WITH RIGHTS AND FREEDOMS. WE ALSO HAVE OBLIGATIONS TO OUR CREATOR AND TO ONE ANOTHER.

DEAR GOD, WE ASK FOR YOUR BLESSINGS UPON THE MAYOR AND THE MEMBERS OF THE PLANO CITY COUNCIL.

GRANT THEM THE WISDOM TO BALANCE THESE TWO SACRED PRINCIPLES, TO ESTABLISH JUST LAWS THAT PRESERVE ORDER AND UPHOLD MORAL RESPONSIBILITY WHILE ALWAYS PROTECTING THE DIGNITY, LIBERTY, AND GOD GIVEN RIGHTS OF EVERY INDIVIDUAL.

MAY THEY GOVERN WITH WISDOM, HUMILITY, COMPASSION, AND INTEGRITY.

MAY OUR BELOVED CITY OF PLANO CONTINUE TO FLOURISH AS A COMMUNITY WHERE FREEDOM AND RESPONSIBILITY WALK HAND IN HAND, AND WHERE EVERY PERSON IS VALUED AND EVERY RESIDENT HAS THE OPPORTUNITY TO THRIVE.

AND MAY YOU BLESS ALL WHO SERVE OUR COMMUNITY WITH STRENGTH, CLARITY, AND SUCCESS IN THEIR SACRED RESPONSIBILITY.

AND LET US ALL SAY AMEN. I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS.

ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE, WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL.

HONOR THE TEXAS FLAG. I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THEE TEXAS.

ONE STATE UNDER GOD, ONE AND INDIVISIBLE. BE SEATED.

THANK YOU. THANK YOU SO MUCH. WELL SAID. THANK YOU.

[(p1) 26-709 Proclamation: Recognition of the Citizens Assisting Plano Police (CAPP) Program 20th Anniversary.]

SO I'D LIKE TO CALL FORWARD STEVE RYCHMAN, FIRST, AN IMMEDIATE PAST CAPP MANAGER.

BRIAN PLOTKIN, SECOND AND CURRENT CAPP MANAGER.

CHIEF DRAIN, CHIEF OF POLICE. SERGEANT BABB, THE CRIME PREVENTION UNIT.

AND ALL PAST AND PRESENT CAPP MEMBERS. GREG RUSHIN, OUR FORMER CHIEF OF POLICE, PAST CRIME PREVENTION UNIT SERGEANTS AND SUPPORTING STAFF MEMBERS. SO IF YOU AT ALL, PLEASE COME ON UP.

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[LAUGHTER] SO THE PROCLAMATION READS CITIZENS ASSISTING PLANO POLICE.

OCTOBER 12TH, 2026. AND WHEREAS THE CITIZENS ASSISTING PLANO POLICE PROGRAM WAS ESTABLISHED ON SEPTEMBER 1ST, 2006 AS A PARTNERSHIP BETWEEN DEDICATED COMMUNITY VOLUNTEERS AND THE PLANO POLICE DEPARTMENT TO ENHANCE PUBLIC SAFETY AND STRENGTHEN COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT. AND WHEREAS THE 20TH ANNIVERSARY OF CAPP PROVIDES AN OPPORTUNITY TO RECOGNIZE THE SIGNIFICANT CONTRIBUTIONS OF VOLUNTEERS THROUGHOUT THE PROGRAM'S HISTORY. TO HONOR THEIR COMMITMENT, DEDICATION, AND GENEROSITY.

WHEREAS, SINCE ITS INCEPTION, 141 VOLUNTEERS HAVE SUCCESSFULLY COMPLETED CAPP TRAINING AND COLLECTIVELY CONTRIBUTED OVER 172,000 HOURS OF SERVICE TO THE PLANO COMMUNITY, ISSUING MORE THAN 19,000 HANDICAPPED PARKING WARNINGS. JUST WARNINGS, JUST WARNINGS.

[LAUGHTER]. AND MORE THAN 20,000, OH, MORE THAN 20,000 CITATIONS, SORRY.

[LAUGHTER]. WHILE TRAVELING MORE THAN 350,000 MILES THROUGH VEHICLE AND SEGWAY PATROLS THROUGHOUT THE COMMUNITY.

WHEREAS THE CITY OF PLANO RECOGNIZES THE STRONG COMMUNITIES ARE BUILT THROUGH PARTNERSHIPS AMONG RESIDENTS, VOLUNTEERS, PUBLIC SAFETY PROFESSIONALS AND CAP STANDS AS A LASTING EXAMPLE OF THE POSITIVE IMPACT CITIZENS CAN MAKE BY GIVING THEIR TIME AND TALENTS IN SERVICE TO THEIR COMMUNITY.

NOW, THEREFORE, I, JOHN MUNS, MAYOR OF THE CITY OF PLANO, TEXAS, DO HEREBY PROCLAIM OCTOBER 12TH, 2026 AS CITIZENS ASSISTING PLANO POLICE DAY IN PLANO, AND I DO THEREBY ENCOURAGE ALL CITIZENS TO JOIN ME AND THE PLANO CITY COUNCIL IN HONORING CAPP VOLUNTEERS, PAST AND PRESENT FOR THEIR, IN, FOR THEIR INVALUABLE SERVICE TO THE PUBLIC SAFETY, THEIR SUPPORT OF THE PLANO POLICE DEPARTMENT, AND THEIR EFFORTS TO ENHANCE THE QUALITY OF LIFE IN THE CITY OF EXCELLENCE.

THANK YOU. STEVE. [APPLAUSE]. THANK YOU SIR.

THE CITIZEN, CITIZENS? YEAH, I THINK IT IS. BUT THE CITIZENS ASSISTING PLANO POLICE PROGRAM IS A PROGRAM OF THE VOLUNTEERS THAT JUST GO ABOVE AND BEYOND EVERY DAY AND EVERYTHING THEY DO FOR THE CITY OF PLANO.

THEY BELIEVE IN IT. THEY GIVE THEIR ALL FOR IT.

AND WE APPRECIATE EVERYTHING THAT THEY DO. THANK YOU, MAYOR AND COUNCIL FOR THIS PROCLAMATION.

AND THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THANK YOU. [APPLAUSE].

OKAY. WHAT DO WE LOOK LIKE? ARE WE A DISHEVELED OR ARE WE GOOD? [LAUGHTER]. OKAY. THANK YOU.

THANK YOU. THANK YOU. [APPLAUSE]. THANK YOU.

THANK YOU. THANK YOU. GOOD JOB. GOOD JOB.

OKAY, AND I KNOW WE HAVE WE HAVE A NICE CROWD HERE TONIGHT, BUT I THINK MOST OF YOU ARE HERE TO TAKE THE OATH OF OFFICE FOR BEING GIVEN TONIGHT

[(o1) 26-920 Animal Shelter Advisory Committee: Brenda Beard, Jamey Cantrell, Tammy Chow-Hayes, and Greg Kamstra Board of Adjustment: Kurt Bilafer, Kevin Morris, Christopher Noble, Harish Nehate, Staci Weaver, and Colleen Swanson Building Standards Commission: Phil Blakely, Lawrence Chan, Brian Eisenrich, Andrew Lindquist, and Blake Moore Civil Service Commission: Penny R. Robe Community Relations Commission: Rita Cosgrove, Jeanna Davis, Khalid Ishaq, Misty Jackson-Miller, and Almas Muscatwalla Cultural Arts Commission: Corbin Baumel, Toby Todd, and Johnny Tseng Heritage Commission: Nayyer Ale-Rasool, Carole Greisdorf, and Tim Bob Library Advisory Board: Abbie Alter, Jacqueline Fortin, Amber Mendoza and Jayashree Prasad-Sinha Parks and Recreation Planning Board: Brett Cooper, Bobbie Jean Higgins, Aaron Jolly, and Rahman Mohammed Planning and Zoning Commission: Ban Alali, Connor Barron, Doug Bender, and Sean Lingenfelter Plano Housing Authority: Erica Dotras and Carson Underwood Retirement Security Plan Committee: Chris Biggerstaff, Michael Mendenhall, Susan E. Ohman, and Rachel Patterson Senior Advisory Board: Deborah Arango, Efrain Girardot, Alfred Lee Sutton, Kelsel Thompson, and Dudley Volcansek Tax Increment Financing Reinvestment Zone No. 4 Board: Kamal Abuharthieh, Nadia Christian, John Donovan, Jonathon Hetzel, Chris O’Brien, and Douglas Reece]

I ASK THAT MEMBERS AND ATTENDANTS COME UP WHEN I CALL YOUR NAME.

SO FOR ANIMAL SHELTER ADVISORY COMMITTEE, BRENDA BEARD, JAMEY CANTRELL, TAMMY CHOW-HAYES AND GREG KAMSTRA. FOR BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT, KIRK BLAFER, KEVIN MORRIS, CHRISTOPHER NOBLE, HARISH NEHATE, STACI WEAVER AND COLLEEN SWANSON.

FOR BUILDING STANDARDS COMMISSION, PHIL BLAKELY, LAWRENCE CHAN, BRIAN EISENRICH, ANDREW LINDQUIST,

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FOR COMMUNITY RELATIONS COMMISSION, RITA COSGROVE, JEANNA DAVIS, KHALID ISHAQ, MISTY JACKSON-MILLER, AND ALMAS MUSCATWALLA. FOR CULTURAL ARTS COMMISSION, CORBIN BAUMEL, TOBY TODD, AND JOHNNY TSENG. FOR HERITAGE COMMISSION, NAYYER ALE-RASOOL, CAROL GREISDORF, TIM BOB. FOR LIBRARY BOARD, ABBIE ALTER, JACQUELINE FORTIN, AMBER MENDOZA, JAYASHREE PRASAD-SINHA. FOR PARKS AND RECREATION, PLANNING BOARD, BRETT COOPER, BOBBY JEAN HIGGINS, AARON JOLLY, AND RAHMAN MOHAMMED. FOR PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION, BAN ALALI, CONNOR BARRON, DOUG BENDER AND SEAN LINGENFELTER.

FOR PLANO HOUSING AUTHORITY, ERICA DOTRAS AND CARSON UNDERWOOD.

FOR RETIREMENT SECURITY PLAN COMMITTEE, CHRIS BIGGERSTAFF, MICHAEL MENDENHALL, SUSAN OHMAN, AND RACHEL PATTERSON. FOR SENIOR ADVISORY BOARD, DEB DURANGO, EFRAIN GIRADOT, ALFRED LEE SUTTON, KELSEY THOMPSON, DUDLEY VULKANUS, OR VOLCANSEK. AND FOR TAX INCREMENT FINANCING REINVESTMENT ZONE NO.

4 BOARD, KAMAL ABUHARTHIEH, NADIA CHRISTIAN, JOHN HETZEL, CHRIS O'BRIEN, AND DOUG REECE. THANK YOU ALL FOR SERVING ON OUR BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS. WE CAN'T DO THE WORK THAT WE HAVE TO DO WITHOUT YOU, AND I REALLY APPRECIATE IT SO MUCH.

SO NOW, IF YOU WILL ALL RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND AND TAKE THE OATH, A CEREMONIAL, CEREMONIAL OATH OF OFFICE.

DO YOU SOLEMNLY SWEAR OR AFFIRM THAT YOU WILL FAITHFULLY EXECUTE THE DUTIES OF THE, STATE YOUR NAME.

OF THE CITY OF PLANO, STATE OF TEXAS, AND WILL, TO THE BEST OF YOUR ABILITY, PRESERVE, PROTECT AND DEFEND THE CONSTITUTION AND LAWS OF THE UNITED STATES AND OF THIS STATE AND THE CHARTER AND ORDINANCES OF THIS CITY.

AND YOU WILL FURTHERMORE SOLEMNLY SWEAR OR AFFIRM THAT YOU HAVE NOT DIRECTLY OR INDIRECTLY PAID, OFFERED, OR PROMISED TO PAY, CONTRIBUTED, NOR PROMISED TO CONTRIBUTE ANY MONEY OR VALUABLE THING, OR PROMISED ANY PUBLIC OFFICE OR EMPLOYMENT AS A REWARD TO SECURE YOUR APPOINTMENT, SO HELP YOU GOD.

I DO CONFIRM. THANK YOU. CONGRATULATIONS. AND AGAIN, THANK YOU ALL FOR BEING SUCH GREAT SERVANTS TO THE CITY OF PLANO.

THANK YOU. [APPLAUSE]. THANK YOU. THANK YOU GUYS.

THANK YOU. THANK YOU. APPRECIATE IT. THANK YOU.

GOOD TO SEE YOU. THANK YOU GUYS SO MUCH. THANK YOU.

THANK YOU. IT'S GOOD TO SEE YOU. YEAH. THANK YOU.

APPRECIATE IT. HI. THANK YOU. YOU WANT A PICTURE WITH YOU? YEAH. OKAY. OKAY.

YOU GOTTA HURRY UP HERE. LET'S DO IT REAL QUICK.

THERE WE GO. ONE, TWO. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. CONGRATS.

THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR. THANK YOU. THANK YOU.

ALL RIGHT, LET'S MOVE TO THE CONSENT AGENDA. THE CONSENT AGENDA.

[CONSENT AGENDA]

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ITEMS MAY BE REMOVED FROM THIS AGENDA FOR INDIVIDUAL DISCUSSION BY A COUNCIL MEMBER, THE CITY MANAGER, OR ANY CITIZEN. THE PRESIDING OFFICER WILL ESTABLISH TIME LIMITS BASED UPON THE NUMBER OF SPEAKER REQUESTS.

MAYOR, I MOVE THAT WE ACCEPT THE CONSENT AGENDA WITH THE EXCEPTION OF ITEM J AS PRESENTED.

MAYOR, I'LL SECOND. THANK YOU. SO I HAVE A MOTION A SECOND TO APPROVE THE CONSENT AGENDA WITH THE EXCEPTION OF ITEM J.

PLEASE VOTE. MOTION PASSES 8 TO 0. ITEM J.

[(j) 26-894 To approve an Interlocal Agreement between the City of Plano and the Plano Independent School District regarding the District's participation in Tax Increment Reinvestment Zone Number Six, City of Plano, Texas; and authorizing the City Manager or designee to execute all necessary documents.]

I DON'T HAVE A PRESENTATION ON THIS ITEM, I THINK DEPUTY CITY MANAGER MCDONALD DID A BETTER JOB THAN I CAN DO.

SO IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER THEM. THANKS.

I THINK WE HAVE ONE SPEAKER. WE DO, IT IS KYLE MCGINN.

GOOD EVENING. MY NAME IS KYLE MCGINN. I'M A MEMBER OF DSA NORTH TEXAS AND REVOLUTIONARY FRONT DFW.

ROBIN HOOD IS THE STORY OF A MAN WHO TAKES FROM THE RICH AND GIVES TO THE POOR.

I KNOW THAT'S A DIFFICULT CONCEPT TO WRAP OUR MINDS AROUND THESE DAYS, WHAT WITH THE REVERSE BEING FAR MORE COMMON.

BUT IT'S THIS IDEA THAT INSPIRED TEXAS'S REVENUE RECAPTURE SYSTEM FOR AFFLUENT SCHOOL DISTRICTS.

BASICALLY, WHEN A SCHOOL DISTRICT'S LOCAL REVENUE EXCEEDS ITS STATE ENTITLEMENT, THE GOVERNMENT CAN REDISTRIBUTE A PORTION OF THOSE DOLLARS AMONG UNDERPRIVILEGED DISTRICTS THROUGHOUT TEXAS. IT'S NOT ENOUGH TO BRIDGE THE ENORMOUS OPPORTUNITY GAPS FACING RURAL AND INNER-CITY STUDENTS, BUT AT LEAST IT'S SOMETHING. NOW, AS I UNDERSTAND IT, THE AGREEMENT YOU ALL ARE VOTING ON TONIGHT WOULD REDIRECT MONEY TYPICALLY SENT TO THE STATE FOR EDUCATIONAL EQUITY AND USE IT TO HELP FINANCE THE UPCOMING STARS STADIUM PROJECT INSTEAD.

COUNCIL MEMBERS I'VE INSINUATED ON A FEW OCCASIONS THAT CERTAIN MEMBERS OF THIS BODY SERVE AT THE BEHEST OF BIG BUSINESS.

BUT EVEN I'M A LITTLE FLABBERGASTED. I'M ALL FOR KEEPING PLANO DOLLARS WITHIN PLANO, BUT THE MONEY HAS TO BENEFIT THE COMMUNITY RATHER THAN BILLIONAIRE OWNED SPORTS TEAMS. AND LOOK, I KNOW YOU ALL HAVE SAID THE STADIUM WILL BOOST OUR CITY'S ECONOMY WHILE NETTING A POSITIVE RETURN FOR PISD IN THE LONG RUN.

BUT THOSE ASSUMPTIONS ARE HIGHLY SPECULATIVE AND HIGHLY DUBIOUS.

IN FACT, YOUR PROSPERITY PROJECTIONS FLY IN THE FACE OF DECADES OF RESEARCH.

SPORTS STADIUMS DON'T TYPICALLY YIELD MUCH GROWTH, AND IN SOME CASES, THEY DEPRESS IT.

IF YOU DON'T BELIEVE ME, READ THE STUDIES FOR YOURSELVES.

THIS AGREEMENT, WHEN COMBINED WITH PROPOSITION A, REPRESENTS A MASSIVE TAXPAYER SUBSIDIZED HANDOUT FOR A CORPORATION, ONE THAT COULD ENTIRELY AND CERTAINLY AFFORD TO TAKE ON A GREATER SHARE OF THE BURDEN, IF NOT PAY FOR THE STADIUM AND THE SURROUNDING DEVELOPMENT ENTIRELY.

NOW, I'M NOT SURPRISED THAT THE MAYOR OF NOTTINGHAM.

SORRY, THE MAYOR OF PLANO WOULD BE ON BOARD WITH ALL THIS, BUT I'D LIKE TO SEE SOME PUSHBACK FROM THE REST OF YOU.

I MEAN, AT LEAST FOR THE SAKE OF VARIETY, YOU KNOW.

IF YOU SUPPORT EDUCATIONAL EQUITY IN THE STATE OF TEXAS, VOTE NO ON THIS AGREEMENT WITH PISD.

IF YOU LOVE CORPORATE WELFARE, VOTE YES. THOSE ARE THE STAKES COUNCIL MEMBERS.

MAY YOU CHOOSE WISELY. THANK YOU. [APPLAUSE].

COUNCIL MEMBER KEHR. MAYOR, I MOVE TO APPROVE ITEM J.

MAY I SECOND IT? THANK YOU. I HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND TO APPROVE ITEM J.

PLEASE VOTE. MOTION PASSES 8 TO 0. NEXT ITEM.

[(1) 26-890 Consideration to authorize the execution of a Meet and Confer Agreement between the City of Plano, Texas, and the Plano Police Association, FOP Lodge 777, October 12, 2026 through September 30, 2030; and providing an effective date.]

THE MEET AND CONFER. EXCUSE ME. CONSIDERATION TO AUTHORIZE THE EXECUTION OF A MEET AND CONFER AGREEMENT BETWEEN THE CITY OF PLANO,

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WE ENTERED INTO NEGOTIATIONS THAT TOOK SEVERAL MEETINGS IN ORDER TO ABLE TO FIND A PATH THAT THAT ULTIMATELY LED TO THIS AGREEMENT.

I WANT TO TAKE A MINUTE AND THANK THOSE THAT WERE INVOLVED ON BOTH SIDES OF THE TABLE.

AGREEMENTS SUCH AS THIS ARE NOT EASY TO ACHIEVE.

THEY ARE ONES THAT OFTENTIMES HAVE HIGH EMOTION.

BUT AT THE END OF THE DAY TEAM PLANO CAME TOGETHER TO FIND A PATH FORWARD THAT WAS AGREEABLE ON BOTH SIDES.

AND FOR US, THAT'S THE PLANO WAY OF DOING THINGS.

WE THINK THIS IS GOING TO CONTINUE TO MAKE PLANO VERY COMPETITIVE FOR OFFICERS IN THE FUTURE.

IT GIVES US SOME STABILITY IN OUR BUDGET LOOKING FORWARD.

AND OVERALL, WE ARE IN STRONG SUPPORT OF THIS AGREEMENT.

AND WITH THAT, I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS. ALL RIGHT, I THINK WE HAVE ONE SPEAKER.

ALL RIGHT. KYLE MCGINN.

HELLO AGAIN. BEFORE I SAY ANYTHING ELSE, I JUST WANT TO CONGRATULATE THE FRATERNAL ORDER OF POLICE ON THEIR FIRST EVER MEET AND CONFER AGREEMENT WITH THE CITY OF PLANO.

AS A TEACHER, I'M NOT ALLOWED TO BARGAIN WITH THE GOVERNMENT.

SO I RECOGNIZE WHAT A PRIVILEGE THIS REALLY IS.

AND, BOY, DID THEY MANAGE TO SECURE A SWEETHEART DEAL FOR THEIR OFFICERS.

ENORMOUS RAISES FOR MOST LEVELS OF THE DEPARTMENT OVER THE NEXT FEW YEARS, WELL ABOVE PROJECTED INFLATION.

ONCE AGAIN, AS A TEACHER, I CAN'T EVEN IMAGINE.

OH, AND THEN THERE'S THE PROVISION GUARANTEEING PAID ADMINISTRATIVE LEAVE FOR UNION REPS WHEN THEY'RE PREPARING TO NEGOTIATE.

I BARELY GET PAID FOR THE WORK I DO ON THE CLOCK.

SO, WELL PLAYED FOP. WELL PLAYED. BUT YOU KNOW WHAT REALLY STANDS OUT TO ME IN THIS CONTRACT? THE FACT THAT IT COULD, COULD ALLOW OFFICERS TO GET AWAY WITH CLASS C MISDEMEANORS, SO LONG AS THEY COVER THEIR TRACKS FOR A YEAR.

I'D LIKE TO DIRECT EVERYBODY'S ATTENTION TO ARTICLE 12, SECTION ONE OF THE AGREEMENT, WHICH STATES THAT UNLESS A TRANSGRESSION CONSTITUTES A FELONY OR HIGH LEVEL MISDEMEANOR, DISCIPLINE CAN ONLY BE IMPOSED ON AN OFFICER, QUOTE, WITHIN 365 CALENDAR DAYS FROM THE DATE THAT THE MISCONDUCT OCCURRED. WELL, LET'S CONSIDER A HYPOTHETICAL SCENARIO THAT WOULD QUALIFY AS A CLASS C MISDEMEANOR.

ACCORDING TO THE TEXAS GOVERNMENT CODE, A PERSON COMMITS A CLASS C MISDEMEANOR IF HE OR SHE USES AN UNMANNED AIRCRAFT TO CAPTURE AN IMAGE OF AN INDIVIDUAL OR PRIVATELY OWNED REAL PROPERTY IN THE STATE WITH THE INTENT TO CONDUCT UNAUTHORIZED SURVEILLANCE.

SO, THE COP USES A DRONE TO SPY ON AN X OR TRACK THE WHEREABOUTS OF A POLITICAL TROUBLEMAKER.

THEY COULD COVER IT UP FOR A SINGLE CALENDAR YEAR AND POTENTIALLY AVOID ANY INTERNAL DISCIPLINE.

AM I READING THIS RIGHT? WHEN CHIEF DRAIN ASSURED US THAT THE DEPARTMENT'S SURVEILLANCE PROGRAMS ARE WELL REGULATED, IS THIS WHAT HE HAD IN MIND? COUNCIL MEMBERS, THERE'S AN EASY WAY TO FIX THIS LOOPHOLE.

MAKE IT SO THAT ANY MISCONDUCT CAN BE PUNISHED WITHIN A CERTAIN TIMEFRAME AFTER IT'S DISCOVERED, NOT AFTER IT OCCURS. OR WE COULD JUST FOLLOW WASHINGTON DC'S EXAMPLE AND BAR THE FOP FROM HAVING ANY INFLUENCE OVER OFFICER ACCOUNTABILITY.

I KNOW SOME OF YOU LOVE THE POLICE STATE, BUT IF YOU LET IT GET AWAY WITH TOO MUCH, PEOPLE MIGHT START TO WONDER IF IT'S THE COPS WHO REALLY RUN THE CITY.

AND THAT'S A CRAZY IDEA, RIGHT? WELL, I GUESS WE'LL FIND OUT.

SO WHAT'S IT GOING TO BE? ANOTHER UNANIMOUS VOTE.

ARE YOU GOING TO SPICE IT UP FOR US? EITHER WAY, I LOOK FORWARD TO IT. THANK YOU. [APPLAUSE].

I. CAN'T GET MY. THIS ITEM IS TO CONSIDER TO AUTHORIZE THE EXECUTION.

SO IT'S NOT A PUBLIC HEARING. CORRECT. SO.

MAYOR, I ANXIOUSLY READ THROUGH THE MEET AND CONFER.

I SPOKE WITH CITY STAFF. I'VE SPOKEN TO SOME POLICEMEN ABOUT THIS.

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MAYOR, MAYOR, I SECONDED AS WELL, AND I'VE SPOKEN TO A FEW OFFICERS AS WELL, AND I AGREE WITH THIS.

THANK YOU. SO I HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND TO APPROVE ITEM NUMBER ONE, PLEASE VOTE.

MOTION PASSES 8 TO 0. NEXT ITEM. ITEM NUMBER TWO.

[(2) 26-866 Consideration of an Ordinance to repeal in its entirety Ordinance No. 2026-9-13; establishing the classifications for the civil service members of the Plano Police Department for fiscal year 2026-27; establishing the number of positions and effective date for such positions for each classification; establishing the Compensation Plan for the civil service members of the Plano Police Department; establishing Certification and Assignment Pay Plans for the civil service members of the Plano Police Department for fiscal year 2026-27; and providing a repealer clause, a severability clause and an effective date.]

ORDINANCE NUMBER 2026-9-13. ESTABLISHING THE CLASSIFICATIONS FOR CIVIL SERVICE MEMBERS OF THE PLANO POLICE DEPARTMENT FOR THE FISCAL YEAR 2026-27. ESTABLISHING THE NUMBER OF POSITIONS AND EFFECTIVE DATE FOR SUCH POSITIONS FOR EACH CLASSIFICATION.

ESTABLISHING THE COMPENSATION PLAN FOR THE CIVIL SERVICE MEMBERS OF THE PLANO POLICE DEPARTMENT.

ESTABLISHING CERTIFICATION AND ASSIGNMENT PAY PLANS FOR THE CIVIL SERVICE MEMBERS OF THE PLANO POLICE DEPARTMENT FOR FISCAL YEAR 2026-27. AND PROVIDING A REPEALER CLAUSE, A SEVERABILITY CLAUSE AND AN EFFECTIVE DATE.

MAYOR AND COUNCIL, THIS IS THE ORDINANCE THAT IS THE COMPLEMENTARY TO THE MEET AND CONFER AGREEMENT THAT YOU JUST PASSED TO MAKE SURE THAT OUR COMPENSATION PLANS STAY IN ALIGNMENT WITH WHAT WE JUST PASSED. SO THIS NEEDS TO MOVE FORWARD IN ORDER TO MAKE SURE THAT WE ARE IN ALIGNMENT WITH OUR MEET AND CONFER AGREEMENT.

MAYOR, I MOVE TO APPROVE ITEM TWO. SECOND. THANK YOU.

I HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND TO APPROVE THE CONSIDERATION OF THE ORDINANCE IN ITEM TWO.

PLEASE VOTE. MOTION PASSES 8 TO 0. WE NEED TO GO BACK TO PRELIMINARY OPEN MEETING, ITEM NUMBER 4. THE PLANO AQUATIC CENTER UPDATE.

HELLO, RON. GOOD EVENING, MAYOR AND COUNCIL. THANK YOU.

THIS IS AN OPPORTUNITY. I'M RON SMITH, YOUR PARKS AND RECREATION DIRECTOR.

WANT TO GIVE YOU AN UPDATE ON THE PLANO AQUATIC CENTER.

I MAY REFER TO IT AS PAC OR THE PAC DURING THIS PRESENTATION.

THE IMAGE ON THE SCREEN SHOWS THE LOCATION OF THE PLANO AQUATIC CENTER IN RELATION TO THE OTHER PUBLICLY OWNED AND OPERATED SWIMMING POOLS IN PLANO.

WHEN THE PLANO AQUATIC CENTER OPENED IN 1977, THE CITY ENTERED INTO A LEASE AGREEMENT WITH THE SCHOOL DISTRICT FOR 50 YEARS FOR THE CITY TO OPERATE AND MAINTAIN THE PROGRAMS OF THE PLANO AQUATIC CENTER THAT LEASE EXPIRES THE 16TH OF AUGUST 2027. WHEN THE AQUATIC CENTER WAS BUILT, IT WAS THE ONLY INDOOR PUBLIC SWIMMING POOL WEST OF HIGHWAY US 75. WE'VE GOT, AS THE PREVIOUS IMAGE SHOWS, WE HAVE THREE INDOOR POOLS AT OAK POINT, CARPENTER AND TOM MUEHLENBECK.

WE'VE RENOVATED THE JACK CARTER POOL TO SOMETHING SPECTACULAR THAT OUR RESIDENTS REALLY LOVE.

WE HAVE THE LIBERTY RECREATION CENTER JUST SOUTH OF PAC, ALL IN OPERATION, SOME INDOOR, SOME OUTDOOR, SO THERE'S A LOT MORE THAT WE OFFER THAN WE DID 50 YEARS AGO.

IT IS OUR RECOMMENDATION AS THE PARKS AND RECREATION DEPARTMENT, THAT WE ALLOW THE LEASE TO MATURE TO ITS FULL TERM WITHOUT RENEWAL, AND RELOCATE THE PROGRAMS THAT WE HAVE AT THE PLANO AQUATIC CENTER OVER A PHASED APPROACH TO THE OTHER FACILITIES THAT WE NOW HAVE IN OPERATION.

THIS RECOMMENDATION ALIGNS WITH OUR FISCAL ROADMAP AND THE CITY COUNCIL'S VISION FOR AN EXCELLENT RUN CITY AND OUR FINANCIAL STEWARDSHIP. THE, WE HAVE AMPLE SPACE TO ACCOMMODATE THE PROGRAMS, OUR CURRENT PROGRAMS THAT WE HAVE.

WATER AEROBICS, SWIM LESSONS AND OPEN SWIM, AND THE PLANO SWIMMERS, THE COPS AND ALSO THE PISD SWIM TEAMS OPERATE OUT OF THE PLANO AQUATIC CENTER. WE WOULD BE ABLE TO.

OVER A PHASED APPROACH TO RELOCATE THE WATER AEROBICS, THE SWIM LESSONS, AND THE OPEN SWIM TO OUR OTHER VENUES.

THE TIMELINE IS IMPORTANT BECAUSE CURRENTLY THERE ARE THREE FULL-TIME POSITIONS THAT OPERATE THE PLANO AQUATICS CENTER.

TWO OF THOSE POSITIONS ARE CURRENTLY VACANT. ONE WAS AN INTERNAL PROMOTION.

ONCE SEPARATED FROM THE CITY. SO AS, IN AN ATTEMPT TO MAINTAIN THE ORGANIZATION'S STANDING AS A QUALITY EMPLOYER.

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AND THEN LET ALL THOSE OPERATIONS TRANSITION BACK TO THE SCHOOL DISTRICT IN 2027.

WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE ARE UNDERSTANDING TO THOSE THAT WILL HAVE TO CHANGE THE LOCATION OF THEIR PREFERRED FORM OF EXERCISE.

SWIMMING OR WATER AEROBICS OR LEARN TO SWIM CLASSES IN THOSE OTHER FACILITIES.

SO WE HAVE A ROBUST COMMUNICATIONS PLAN THAT IS ALL READY TO GO.

IT INCLUDES A PRESS RELEASE. IT HAS AN INFORMATION FAQ THAT WE'LL PUT ON THE WEBSITE.

WE HAVE COMMUNICATIONS READY TO GO TO ALL OF OUR PATRONS, READY TO GO.

AS SOON AS COUNCIL PROVIDES US THE DIRECTION, WE'LL IMPLEMENT THAT TOMORROW MORNING.

AND FINALLY, JUST TO RECAP, THIS IS IN LINE WITH THE CITY'S FISCAL ROADMAP INITIATIVE.

IT'S FISCALLY RESPONSIBLE. WE ARE ABLE TO ACCOMMODATE THE PROGRAMS THAT EXIST AT PAC AT OUR OTHER FACILITIES THAT DIDN'T EXIST WHEN THE PLANO AQUATIC CENTER FIRST OPENED. AND WE HAVE ALREADY NOTIFIED THE SCHOOL DISTRICT.

THEY HAVE ARE SUPPORTIVE OF THIS AND THEY RECOGNIZE IT WILL BE AN OPPORTUNITY FOR THEM TO MORE FULLY UTILIZE THAT FACILITY FOR THEIR PROGRAMS. AND I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS. WE HAVE WE HAVE ONE SPEAKER.

CAN WE DO THAT FIRST? SURE. YEAH. MK WERNER.

HI, THANKS FOR THE CHANCE TO PRESENT A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT POINT OF VIEW THAN WHAT MR. SMITH JUST GAVE US. AS YOU CAN SEE FROM ME COMING DOWN THE STAIRS AND SOME OF YOU KNOW ME PERSONALLY THAT I'M A CANCER SURVIVOR AND I'M DISABLED, AND THE PLANO AQUATIC CENTER HAS BEEN ACTUALLY THE KEY TO ME BEING ABLE TO LITERALLY STAY ON THE ROAD.

AND I'M NOT THE ONLY ONE. THERE ARE DOZENS, HUNDREDS ACTUALLY OF RETIRED TEACHERS, SOME OF WHOM HAVE JOINED US OTHER CANCER SURVIVORS, OTHER PEOPLE WHO ARE DISABLED WHO USE THE PLANO AQUATIC CENTER.

IT'S NOT JUST THE POOL ITSELF. IT'S A COMMUNITY OF PEOPLE WHO ARE ALL TAXPAYERS AND RELY ON THE CENTER FOR THEIR WELLNESS IN MANY WAYS. SO TODAY I PULLED UP MY CREDIT CARD STATEMENT. AND IN THE LAST TWO YEARS, I'VE PAID 17, OVER 1,700 DOLLARS TO THE CITY OF PLANO FOR WATER AEROBICS.

AND IT'S BEEN WORTH EVERY DIME OF IT. BUT WHEN YOU MULTIPLY THAT TIMES THE NUMBER OF PEOPLE WHO ARE GOING INTO THAT POOL.

MONDAY. WEDNESDAY. FRIDAY. FILLING THE POOL. THE CLASSES FILL UP IN LESS THAN 30 MINUTES FROM THE TIME THAT THE REGISTRATION OPENS. I WOULD ADD IN THE STRONGEST TERMS POSSIBLE DISPUTE THAT THESE PEOPLE CAN BE ACCOMMODATED READILY IN THE OTHER FACILITIES. I DON'T BELIEVE IT.

THE PEOPLE WHO ARE IN THE CLASSES WITH ME DON'T BELIEVE IT.

SO, YOU KNOW, THERE'S ABOUT 50 PEOPLE WHO ARE SHOWING UP WHO ARE PAYING THAT SAME $1,700 OVER A COUPLE OF FISCAL YEARS.

THAT'S A LOT OF MONEY THAT WE ARE PUTTING INTO THE FACILITY AND THAT WE HAVE PAID, YOU KNOW, TO THE CITY. AND ACTUALLY, I THINK THE WATER AEROBICS PROGRAM SPECIFICALLY IS VERY MUCH A CASH COW FOR THE OPERATIONS OF THE POOL.

AND SO I WOULD CALL ON THE COUNCIL TO MAYBE SEND THIS ROBUST PROGRAM BACK TO FOR SOME ADDITIONAL CONSIDERATION.

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CARPENTER IS AN INDOOR FACILITY, BUT IT CANNOT ACCOMMODATE DEEP WATER AEROBICS AT THE SAME LEVEL THAT THE PLANO AQUATIC CENTER CAN, AND IT CANNOT ACCOMMODATE THE SAME NUMBER OF PEOPLE IN THE COURSES.

PLUS THAT THE CARPENTER. IS THAT MY TIME? NO YET.

SORRY. A LITTLE TIME. CARPENTER, THOSE CLASSES ARE ALREADY FULL AS WELL.

SO, YOU KNOW, AGAIN, I REALLY THINK IT NEEDS TO GO BACK TO THE DRAWING BOARD AS TO THIS ABILITY TO JUST MAGICALLY ABSORB THESE, YOU KNOW, HUNDREDS OF PEOPLE WHO ARE COMING FOR WATER AEROBICS EVERY WEEK AT THE AQUATIC CENTER AND WHERE THEY'RE GOING TO BE BECAUSE MULLENBACH IS FULL.

OAK POINT IS FULL. THE NUMBER OF CLASSES, THE NUMBER OF PARTICIPANTS HAS GROWN EXPONENTIALLY OVER THE LAST FEW YEARS.

THE PEOPLE OF CENTRAL PLANO REALLY, YOU KNOW, WANT PLANO PARKS AND REC TO TO STAND UP FOR WHAT THEY'VE SAID, WHICH IS, YOU KNOW, EXCELLENT SERVICES. THANK YOU FOR THE OPPORTUNITY.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH. [APPLAUSE]. MAYOR PRO TEM.

YEAH, THANK YOU. THANK YOU, RON, FOR THE PRESENTATION.

A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS. YOU SAID THE FULL TIME EMPLOYEES WERE WE'RE JUST NOT GOING TO FILL THOSE POSITIONS.

BUT WHAT ABOUT THOSE PART TIME EMPLOYEES, THE LIFEGUARDS, THE WATER SAFETY INSTRUCTORS, THE AEROBICS INSTRUCTORS? FROM A STAFFING. I KNOW THEY'RE PART TIME EMPLOYEES ARE, WE'RE GOING TO BE ABLE TO TRANSITION THEM TO OTHER POOLS.

SO I'LL MAKE A DISTINCTION BETWEEN THE INSTRUCTORS THAT ARE CONTRACTORS.

WE WANT TO RETAIN THOSE POPULAR TEACHERS CERTAINLY AND RELOCATE THEM WITH ALL OF THEIR CLASS MEMBERS TO ONE OF THE OTHER INDOOR FACILITIES, WHETHER IT'S MUEHLENBECK OR OAK POINT OR CARPENTER, WHATEVER, WHETHER IT'S A DEEP OR SHALLOW WATER AEROBICS.

AS FAR AS THE PART TIME EMPLOYEES WE HAVE, IT'S AN ISSUE EVERY YEAR THAT WE FACE IN TRYING TO RECRUIT AND HIRE ENOUGH OF THOSE LEARN TO SWIM AND THOSE LIFEGUARDS. SO WE HAVE A PLACE FOR ALL OF THOSE PART TIMERS AT OUR OTHER FACILITIES.

OKAY, NOW LET'S GO TO USAGE OF THE PACK. WE JUST HEARD WE HAD THE WARM OUR DEEP WATER AEROBICS.

I'M ASSUMING THAT'S A WARM WATER POOL. IS, IS.

NO? YES? IT'S NOT, THE WARMER POOL I WOULD CONSIDER TO BE CARPENTER.

CARPENTER. PAC IS NOT. OKAY, SO THIS IS A DEEP-WATER POOL THAT THEY USE IN FOR WATER AEROBICS, IS THAT CORRECT? YES. WHAT OTHER POOL DO WE HAVE THAT WOULD QUALIFY? AN INDOOR POOL THAT WOULD QUALIFY AS A DEEP-WATER POOL.

BOTH THAT TOM MUEHLENBECK RECREATION CENTER AND THE OAK POINT RECREATION.

THOSE ARE INDOOR POOLS, AND THEY HAVE TIME FOR THAT.

ALL RIGHT. AND NOW BACK TO THE PAC, HOW MUCH IS IT BEING USED? YOU KNOW, I'VE GOT SOME NUMBERS HERE. THIS IS TOTAL USAGE.

SO IN COMPARISON, THIS IS FOR THE ENTIRE FACILITY.

SO ONE OF THE ISSUES THAT WE HAVE WITH THE PLANO AQUATIC CENTER IT IS EXCLUSIVELY A POOL.

THERE'S NO GYMNASIUM. THERE'S NO INDOOR TRACK.

THERE'S NO EXPANSIVE EXERCISE ROOM. SO THE COST RECOVERY OF PAC IS LAGGING FAR BEHIND OUR OTHER RECREATION FACILITIES, AND WE HAVE RECEIVED GUIDANCE FROM COUNCIL TO MEET A SPECIFIC COST RECOVERY THRESHOLD FOR RECREATION VENUES.

THE COST RECOVERY FOR PLANO AQUATIC CENTER IS 11%.

WE'RE SUPPOSED TO MEET A MINIMUM OF 41% AT OUR RECREATION VENUES.

PAC TOTAL USAGE IS 82,000. COMPARISON TO CARPENTER, WHICH IS 585,000.

LIBERTY RECREATION CENTER 188,000. OAK POINT RECREATION CENTER 421,000.

SAM JOHNSON CENTER 233,000. AND TOM MUEHLENBECK 462,000.

SO YEAH, THOSE ARE BIGGER FACILITIES. THEIR USAGE RATES ARE MUCH HIGHER.

AND YET WE STILL HAVE CAPACITY TO MEET THE NEEDS AT THOSE VENUES IF WE WERE TO TRANSITION OUT OF THE PLANO AQUATIC CENTER.

OKAY, MY LAST QUESTION. YOU MAY NOT KNOW THE ANSWER, BUT AT THE END OF OUR TERM, WE'RE JUST GOING TO HAND THIS BACK OVER TO PISD.

THAT'S CORRECT. CORRECT. ANY IDEA WHAT THEY'RE GOING TO USE IT FOR? YEAH, THEY'RE GOING TO USE IT FOR THEIR SWIM TEAMS. AND THE CITY OF PLANO SWIMMERS OR COPS PROGRAM WILL STAY THERE AS WELL.

OKAY. ANY CHANCE THAT PISD WOULD TAKE ON WATER AEROBICS AS THEIR OWN OUTSIDE OF THE PARKS AND REC? SO I KNOW THAT WE TOURED THE FACILITY WITH PISD REPRESENTATION AND WITHOUT, I DON'T WANT TO SPEAK FOR THEM,

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THAT IS CORRECT. OKAY. THANK YOU. COUNCIL MEMBER LEVINE.

THANK YOU. I'M GOING TO FOLLOW UP ON MAYOR PRO TEMS QUESTIONS.

ALL RIGHT. SO WE HAVE THE CAPABILITY AT THESE OTHER DEEP WATER POOLS.

BUT DOES THAT MEAN THAT YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE ADDITIONAL TIMES SET ASIDE BECAUSE WHAT WE HEARD WAS THOSE CLASSES ARE FULL.

SO ARE WE GOING TO HAVE ADDITIONAL TIME CLASSES SET ASIDE FOR THE AEROBICS PROGRAM? YES, WE HAVE THE SPACE. I THINK IT'S REALLY GOING TO BE A FUNCTION OF INSTRUCTORS.

SO WE HAVE THE SPACE IN THE POOLS. IF WE NEED TO ACCOMMODATE MORE, LET'S SAY WATER AEROBICS CLASSES, WE CAN DO SO. ARE WE MOVING INSTRUCTORS OVER FROM.

YEAH, WE WOULD LOVE TO. WE WOULD LOVE TO RETAIN THOSE TEACHERS AND THEIR ENTIRE CLASS ROSTER AND RELOCATE THEM TO ONE OF OUR OTHER NEWER FACILITIES.

THANK YOU. YOU'RE WELCOME. DEPUTY MAYOR. THANK YOU, MAYOR.

SO YOU MENTIONED, I BELIEVE UTILIZATION IS 82,000 FOR THIS FACILITY OR.

YES. AND THEN YOU MENTIONED ALL THE OTHERS. BUT WHEN I TALK ABOUT FACILITIES AND SQUARE FOOTAGE SIZE BECAUSE THOSE ARE SIGNIFICANTLY LARGER VERSUS THIS ONE.

DO YOU HAVE THAT UTILIZATION RATIO? I DON'T HAVE THAT BROKEN OUT BY SQUARE FOOTAGE.

I DO HAVE SOME NUMBERS AS FAR AS THE NUMBER. SO SOME OF THOSE 82,000 THAT ATTEND OR THAT PARTICIPATE AT THE PLANO AQUATIC CENTER.

26,000 OF THOSE ARE THE SWIM TEAMS. AS FAR AS MEMBERSHIP SCANS OVER THE COURSE OF A YEAR, 13,000.

AS FAR AS THE WATER, WATER AQUATIC PROGRAM REGISTRANTS, 03,700.

OKAY. SO THOSE IN COMPARISON. I COULD BREAK THOSE DOWN.

AND MAYBE IF YOU WANT IT PER SQUARE FOOTAGE OR PER SQUARE FOOTAGE OF THE POOL FOR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.

YEAH. AND THE REASON WHY I'M BRINGING THAT UP, BECAUSE IT MIGHT STILL BE A WASH IF YOU LOOK AT THE SQUARE FOOTAGE, BECAUSE THE OTHER LOCATIONS, IS THAT BASED ON FULL UTILIZATION AS WELL TOO, OR IS THAT THE COURTS? SO THE OTHER FACILITIES TOTAL USAGE, WET SIDE AND DRY SIDE.

SINCE PAC IS ONLY A POOL, IT'S JUST THE SWIMMING POOL.

THEN DO YOU HAVE A BREAKDOWN UTILIZATION OF ONLY POOL FOR THOSE LOCATIONS? NO, BECAUSE WHEN SOMEONE COMES IN AND CHECKS IN WITH THEIR MEMBERSHIP, WE DON'T ASK THEM, HEY, ARE YOU JUST USING THE CARDIO OR ARE YOU JUST USING THE POOL? WE JUST HAVE TOTAL USAGE. SO THAT STILL DOESN'T BREAK IT DOWN TO ME.

I MEAN, YEAH, YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN? LIKE IT DOES.

MAYBE I'M NOT MAKING SENSE. YEAH. SO WE'RE LOOKING AT THIS NOT NECESSARILY AS A USAGE FUNCTION, BUT THE FINANCIAL STEWARDSHIP OF THIS IS REALLY IT GIVES US AN OPPORTUNITY RIGHT NOW TO TRY TO RIGHTSIZE AND, AND WITHOUT RENEWING THIS LEASE WITH THE SCHOOL DISTRICT.

AND I FOLLOW YOU TOO, BUT I'M LOOKING AT IT USAGE, NOT FINANCIAL.

IT'S KIND OF LIKE OUR LIBRARIES. AND THEN WE GOT RID OF ONE LIBRARY.

BUT MY NEXT QUESTION TO THAT AREA IS, DO WE KNOW DISTANCE OF TRAVEL FROM THE PEOPLE THAT DO UTILIZE PAC? AND THEN THE TIME AND THE DISTANCE FOR THEM TO GO FROM ONE TO THE OTHER.

SO WE HAVE NOT LOOKED AT WHERE EVERY PERSON THAT USES THE PLANO AQUATIC CENTER, WHERE THEY LIVE.

WE DO KNOW THAT WE HAVE A WIDE DISTRIBUTION ACROSS THE CITY OF SWIMMING POOLS.

NOW I GET THAT TOO, BUT AN EXAMPLE FOR ME, IF I GO TO WHATABURGER, I'M GO TO THE WHATABURGER THAT'S CLOSEST TO ME, NOT BECAUSE WHATABURGER IS SHUT DOWN AND GO TO THE OTHER ONE. THEN I WON'T GO TO WHATABURGER ANYMORE. DOES THAT MAKE SENSE? SO I STILL FEEL LIKE THERE'S A LOT OF QUESTIONS THAT HAVEN'T BEEN ANSWERED, AT LEAST FROM MY STANDPOINT, THE WAY I'M LOOKING AT THIS. I'D BE HAPPY TO TRY TO ANSWER THOSE FOR YOU.

YOU DIDN'T HAVE THE ANSWERS. THE SQUARE FOOTAGE.

THE SQUARE FOOTAGE. THE TIME DISTANCE, IF YOU CLOSE ON THIS ONE, WHERE ARE THOSE PEOPLE GOING. BASICALLY LIKE A HEAT MAP OF TIME.

BECAUSE IF I'M GOING TO WATER AQUATICS, WATER AQUATICS, DO I NEED TO FACTOR IN ANOTHER 30 OR 45 MINUTES TO INCOME? I MEAN, CHANGE, SHOWER, GET DRESSED, TRAVEL, CHECK IN.

CHANGE SHOWER, AND, AND EVERYTHING ELSE WOULD BE THE SAME FACILITY TO FACILITY.

SO IT'S REALLY JUST THE TIME TRAVEL IS GOING TO BE.

THERE'S A DISTANCE TO YOUR POINT OF COMPARISON, THIS FACILITY VERSUS A DIFFERENT FACILITY.

I THINK THE RECOMMENDATION IS COMING BECAUSE THERE IS THE ABILITY TO ABSORB THE EXISTING PROGRAMS FOR SOMETHING THAT THAT IS BASICALLY FROM A COST RECOVERY PERSPECTIVE, OUT OF LINE WITH WHAT WE'VE GIVEN DIRECTION TO PREVIOUSLY.

SO I THINK THIS IS PARTLY TO, TO DO THAT. BUT I THINK THE UTILIZATION TO YOUR TO YOUR POINT, IF THERE'S THE ABILITY TO OFFER MULTIPLE SITES THAT COULD STILL OFFER THE SAME SERVICE THAT HAVE THE CAPACITY TO ABSORB THIS,

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COUNCIL MEMBER DOWNS. SO DIRECTOR SMITH, I HAVE A QUESTION.

HOW MUCH DOES IT COST THE CITY OF PLANO TO OPERATE THE PLANO AQUATIC CENTER ANNUALLY? YEAH, I'VE GOT ASSISTANT DIRECTOR GREG GAGNER, AND I'M GOING TO ASK HIM TO COME DOWN AND JOIN ME WITH THOSE NUMBERS.

I BELIEVE THAT THE AMOUNT THAT WE COULD SEE AS FAR AS A REDUCTION IN EXPENSE AFTER ALL COSTS, IS SOMEWHERE BETWEEN 700,000 AND $1 MILLION. BUT MR. GAGNER CAN GIVE ME THE NUMBERS AS FAR AS THE OPERATION OF THE PLANO AQUATIC CENTER, GREG.

SO THE AQUATIC CENTER, THE DIRECT EXPENSES. SO THE ACTUAL BUDGET FOR THE PLANO AQUATIC CENTER IS $745,000 ANNUALLY.

NOW, ON TOP OF THAT, THERE ARE THE INDIRECT EXPENSES THAT WE HAVE TO ACCOUNT FOR IN OUR COST RECOVERIES, YOU KNOW, TO OFFSET THE EXPENSES FROM OTHER CITY SERVICES.

AND THOSE EQUAL $640,000. SO THE TOTAL NET OPERATIONS FOR THAT FACILITY IS A -1 MILLION, $1.2 MILLION. CAN YOU STATE WHAT THE REVENUE COMING DIRECTLY FROM THAT IS AS WELL? SURE, THE REVENUE FOR THE AQUATIC CENTER $157,000 OUT OF THE GENERAL FOR THE GENERAL FUND.

AND THE REVENUE THAT'S COMING IN, THAT'S RELATED TO THE MEMBERSHIPS THAT OUR CITIZENS PAY TO PARTICIPATE IN THE PROGRAMS. MEMBERSHIPS, DAILY FEES, POOL RENTALS, BIRTHDAY PARTIES, VARIOUS THINGS LIKE THAT, YES.

SO AS YOU'RE THINKING ABOUT THE COST RECOVERY OF THIS AND YOU STATED 11%, IT'S FAIR TO SAY THAT IF IT COST US $1.2 MILLION TO OPERATE SOMETHING THAT GIVES US ABOUT 157,000. THAT'S WHERE WE'RE LOOKING AT THAT COST RECOVERY DIRECTIVE THAT HAS COME FROM PRIOR COUNCILS.

AND THIS COUNCIL IS ABOUT LOOKING AT THAT. CORRECT.

AND AS WE CONSIDER THAT AND WE THINK ABOUT THE OTHER POOLS AND WANTING TO MAKE SURE THAT WE OFFER THESE PROGRAMS TO THE INDIVIDUALS THAT UTILIZE THEM.

IS IT ARE WE ABLE TO MAKE SURE THAT WE CAN MEET THEIR NEEDS WHILE STILL CONSIDERING THE FISCAL RESPONSIBILITY? YES. SO STAFF HAVE OUR AQUATICS STAFF HAVE ACTUALLY LOOKED AT WAYS TO ACCOMMODATE THE VARIOUS PROGRAMS THAT ARE CURRENTLY OFFERED AT AQUATIC CENTER, AND THEY HAVE DEVELOPED A PLAN TO ACCOMMODATE ALL THOSE PROGRAMS. THE WATER AEROBICS, WE HAVE SPACE, SO IT SHOULD NOT BE AN ISSUE.

WE WE'LL HAVE, WE'LL PROBABLY HAVE TO ADD ADDITIONAL CLASSES, CLASS TIMES.

THE LEARN TO SWIM PROGRAMS. WE HAVE PLENTY OF SPACE.

OUR ISSUE IS ALWAYS NUMBER OF INSTRUCTORS, NUMBER OF QUALIFIED INSTRUCTORS THAT CAN TEACH THE PROGRAMS, SO WE CAN ACCOMMODATE EVERYBODY WHO WOULD LIKE TO TAKE THE CLASSES.

SO WE'LL STILL BE ABLE TO ACCOMMODATE THE SAME NUMBER.

WE'RE STILL GOING TO HAVE LONG WAITING LISTS BECAUSE WE, WE'RE NOT INCREASING THE NUMBER OF INSTRUCTORS SYSTEM WIDE.

IT'S STILL THE SAME NUMBER OF OF INSTRUCTORS, BUT WE HAVE THE SPACE TO ACCOMMODATE THOSE CLASSES.

SO WE HAVE THE SPACE, BUT WE DON'T HAVE THE STRUCTURES. SO WHAT ARE WE DOING AS A CITY TO FIND THOSE INSTRUCTORS? WE'RE CURRENTLY WORKING WITH THE HUMAN RESOURCES DEPARTMENT AND DEVELOPING SOME DIFFERENT HIRING PROCEDURES AND PROCESSES AND STRATEGIES TO INCREASE THAT.

THE PROBLEM WITH SWIM INSTRUCTORS IS IT'S A VERY SPECIALIZED SKILL.

THEY HAVE TO KNOW EVERY SWIM STROKE, AND THEY HAVE TO BE PROFICIENT AT IT SO THAT YOUR NUMBER OF YOUR POOL OF QUALIFIED CANDIDATES IS SMALL TO BEGIN WITH. SO, YOU KNOW, WE WORK A LOT WITH SWIM TEAMS AND TRY TO, YOU KNOW, RECRUIT THOSE KIDS OVER.

THEY'RE GREAT INSTRUCTORS BECAUSE THEY KNOW THE STROKES AND THEY, THEY'VE BEEN THROUGH THE PROCESS. SO THAT'S OUR PRIMARY SOURCE OF, EMPLOYERS EMPLOYMENT. THANK YOU FOR THAT. I THINK MY COMMENTS ARE IS THAT I'M ALL ABOUT THE DOLLARS HERE IN MAKING SURE THAT WE ARE FISCALLY RESPONSIBLE WITH OUR CITIZENS DOLLARS. YET I WANT US TO BE COGNIZANT OF THOSE INDIVIDUALS THAT UTILIZE THE PROGRAMS. SO MAKING SURE THAT WE ROLL OUT THE ADEQUATE PLANS TO MAKE SURE THEIR NEEDS ARE BEING TAKEN CARE OF, THAT THEY CONTINUE TO HAVE THEIR GROUPS THAT CAN JOIN A CLASS TOGETHER TO CONTINUE TO HAVE THOSE RELATIONSHIPS THAT THEY HAVE BUILT OVER THOSE PROGRAMS. BUT THE NUMBERS, THE NUMBERS SPEAK A LOT TO ME.

AND I CAN ADDRESS MR. QUINTANILLA'S QUESTION ABOUT HEAT MAPS A LITTLE BIT IN GENERAL.

I DON'T HAVE THE SPECIFIC DATA FOR THIS FACILITY, BUT WHEN WE LOOKED AT HEAT MAPS FOR OUR PROGRAMS IN THE PAST,

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THEY WILL DRIVE THE DISTANCE TO FOLLOW A SPECIFIC INSTRUCTOR.

SO WE'VE, LIKE MAJORITY OF OUR PROGRAMS WHEN TOM GULLIKSON WAS CLOSED, MOVED TO LIBERTY AND THOSE PROGRAMS WERE VERY SUCCESSFUL THERE.

IN FACT, SOME OF THEM HAVE CONTINUED THERE WHILE GOING BACK TO MUHLENBECK BECAUSE THE PROGRAMS GREW SO MUCH. BUT THEY FOLLOW INSTRUCTORS.

WE FOUND NOW, MEMBERSHIP WISE, YOU'RE CORRECT.

THEY GO TO THE CLOSEST FACILITY TO THEIR WORK OR THEIR HOME, BUT FOR PROGRAMS, THEY TEND TO FOLLOW INSTRUCTORS.

THANK YOU FOR THAT. AND I DO AGREE WITH YOUR COMMENT ABOUT FOLLOWING INSTRUCTORS BECAUSE NORMALLY ONCE YOU BUILD THAT RELATIONSHIP, YOU TEND TO FOLLOW IT, RIGHT? I AGREE WITH THAT. YEAH. NOT ONLY WITH THE INSTRUCTOR, BUT WITH A GROUP OF PEOPLE TOO. YOU KNOW, IN THE CLASS.

I FOLLOW YOU THERE. DON'T GO ANYWHERE. SO I THINK NOTHING SET IN STONE, BUT I THINK WE'RE TRYING TO GIVE SOME DIRECTION. AND THE OTHER ONE IS I WOULD LIKE THE OPPORTUNITY TO SEE WHETHER OR NOT PISD COULD ACCOMMODATE THOSE THINGS, ESPECIALLY DURING DIFFERENT TIMES.

ONE OPTION THAT WE COULD LOOK AT PISD AS WELL IS POTENTIALLY RENTING THAT FACILITY, RENTING THE SPACE BACK FROM THEM FOR A COUPLE HOURS.

NOW, HOW WE WOULD PAY FOR THAT WOULD BE THE QUESTION BECAUSE, WELL, OUR PROGRAM IS OUT OF REVOLVING ACCOUNT, NOT GENERAL FUND. SO WE'D HAVE TO LOOK AT POSSIBLY INCREASING THE COST OF THE PROGRAM TO OFFSET THE EXPENSE FOR THE RENTAL.

BUT THAT IS AN OPTION. WELL, AND THAT'S, THAT'S UP TO PISD IN THE CITY OF PLANO TO MAKE MAKE THAT DEAL.

BUT IT CERTAINLY WOULDN'T BE $1.2 MILLION UPSIDE DOWN.

CORRECT. BUT. I AGREE WITH YOU THAT COMMENT THAT IT IT WOULD MAKE ME FEEL A LITTLE MORE COMFORTABLE IF WE KNEW THE ADDITIONAL OPTIONS.

YEAH. AND AT THE SAME TIME CONTINUE THE PLAN.

BUT WITH THE OTHER CENTERS. BUT YES, SEE WHETHER OR NOT PISD WOULD BE ABLE TO ACCOMMODATE THE AEROBICS. YEAH, WE CAN HAVE THAT DISCUSSION WITH THEM.

WE ALSO, THE TIMING PLAN ALLOWS WATER AEROBICS TO STAY AT THE FACILITY UNTIL AUGUST OF 2027.

SO APPROXIMATELY 300 CALENDAR DAYS. WE WILL BE ABLE TO HAVE THOSE CONVERSATIONS BEFORE ANY OF THE WATER AEROBICS CLASSES ARE RELOCATED.

ALL RIGHT. COUNCIL MEMBER LAVINE. I'M WONDERING WHETHER OR NOT, GIVEN OUR CONCERNS, THAT WE SHOULD TABLE THIS UP AND HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO REVISIT THIS AFTER THE DISCUSSION WITH PISD AND POSSIBLY INTERVIEWS WITH SOME OF THE INSTRUCTORS TO SEE IF THEY'D BE WILLING TO MOVE TO SOME OF THE OTHER FACILITIES.

IT'S NOT A, WE WOULDN'T HAVE TO TABLE IT. WE JUST WE'LL JUST BRING IT BACK.

HERE'S WHAT WE WOULD HAVE TO DO IF WE ARE NOT GOING TO IMPLEMENT THIS PLAN THAT STOPS THE LEARN TO SWIM AND THE LAP SWIMMING JANUARY 5TH, WE ARE GOING TO NEED TO HIRE THOSE POSITIONS.

IT ONLY SAVES US IMMEDIATELY FINANCIALLY BY NOT FILLING THOSE POSITIONS IF WE START TRANSITIONING AWAY RIGHT AFTER THE PISD BREAK ON JANUARY 5TH, AND THAT WOULD BE EVERYTHING BUT THE WATER AEROBICS, IT WOULD BE LEARN TO SWIM, AND IT WOULD BE OUR LAP SWIMMING. IF WE'RE GOING TO KEEP THE FULL NORMAL PROGRAMS AT PACK, THEN WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO FILL THOSE FULL-TIME POSITIONS AND LIKELY TELL THOSE CANDIDATES, THIS IS GOING TO BE A NINE-MONTH HIRING PERIOD.

SO BUT WE CAN BRING BACK ANSWERS AT THE NEXT COUNCIL MEETING.

WE CAN WITHOUT. WITHOUT DISRUPTING THAT PLAN.

CORRECT. YEAH. OKAY, SO LET'S HOLD ON THE COMMUNICATIONS OUT FOR THE PLAN AT THIS POINT TO GO HAVE THOSE ADDITIONAL CONVERSATIONS.

OKAY. LET'S NOT START NOTIFYING ANYBODY UNTIL WE HAVE SOME ADDITIONAL INFORMATION, AND WE'LL PLAN ON HAVING A FURTHER CONVERSATION IN THE NEXT POM WITH WHAT YOU FIND OUT.

OKAY. THANKS, GUYS. APPRECIATE IT. [APPLAUSE].

THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT, MOVING ON TO COMMENTS OF PUBLIC INTEREST.

[COMMENTS OF PUBLIC INTEREST]

THE COUNCIL MAY NOT DISCUSS THESE ITEMS, BUT MAY RESPOND WITH FACTUAL OR POLICY INFORMATION.

THE COUNCIL MAY CHOOSE TO PLACE THE ITEM ON A FUTURE AGENDA.

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DON, ARE YOU HERE? ALL RIGHT. ALL RIGHT, WE WILL MOVE ON TO KYLE MCGINN.

ALL RIGHT, I'VE GOT THREE THINGS TO TALK ABOUT.

FIRST, TAXES, SECOND THING INTENTIONS. AND THIRD THING, COMMUNICATION.

LET'S START WITH TAXES. MORE THAN THREE THINGS TO TALK ABOUT TONIGHT.

WELL, FOR THIS SPECIFIC PART OF THE OF MY TIME ON THE MIC, I CONCEDE THE POINT THOUGH TO THE MAYOR.

SO FIRST WHEN IT COMES TO TAXES, DURING THE PRELIMINARY OPEN MEETING, MAYOR MUNS MADE A CLARIFICATION REGARDING THE SCOPE AND THE PURPOSE OF PROPOSITION A, WHICH IS GOING TO BE ON THE BALLOT EARLY VOTING STARTS SOON.

ELECTION DATE NOVEMBER 3RD. SAYING THAT THESE ARE STRICTLY VENUE RELATED TAXES, BUT SOME OF THOSE TAXES ARE GOING TO BE PAID BY RESIDENTS OF PLANO WHO HAVE NO INTEREST IN PARTICIPATING AT THE FACILITY, GOING TO STARS GAMES THAT WOULD INCLUDE THE RENTAL CAR TAXES AND THE HOTEL AND MOTEL TAXES. PEOPLE USE HOTELS, MOTELS AND RENTAL CARS FOR NON VENUE RELATED REASONS ALL THE TIME.

SO I THOUGHT THAT WAS WORTH EMPHASIZING. ON THE QUESTION OF INTENTIONS.

I DO HAVE TO, AND IT PAINS ME TO ADMIT THIS. SAY THAT I AM IN FULL AGREEMENT WITH COUNCIL MEMBER MARIA TU.

I THINK THAT WE HAVE HEARD A LOT ABOUT INTENTIONS.

TONIGHT WE'VE HEARD A LOT ABOUT WHAT THE CITY INTENDS IN NEGOTIATIONS.

WE'VE HEARD A LOT ABOUT HOW THINGS MAY OR MAY NOT BE PAID FOR.

BUT UNLESS WE HAVE IRONCLAD DETAILS, SHOULD WE REALLY BE EXPECTING PEOPLE TO VOTE FOR THE PROPOSITION.

AND TO A CERTAIN EXTENT, BY EXTENSION, ON THE STADIUM WITHOUT EVERY QUESTION BEING ANSWERED.

I MEAN, SPEAKING OF QUESTIONS AND ANSWERS, IF WE LOOK AT THE WILLOW BEND REDEVELOPMENT ADVISORY COMMITTEE'S FAQ PAGE ON THE QUESTION ABOUT WHO'S GOING TO PAY FOR ROAD AND TRAFFIC IMPROVEMENTS SURROUNDING THE ARENA DISTRICT, IT SAYS THESE COSTS ARE STILL BEING DISCUSSED AND NEGOTIATED WITH THE DEVELOPER IN TEAM.

STILL BEING DISCUSSED AND NEGOTIATED, BUT WE HAVE TO VOTE VERY, VERY SOON.

GOOD INTENTIONS ARE A WONDERFUL THING, BUT THEY CAN'T PAVE ROADS UNLESS WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE ROAD TO HELL.

AND THE LAST THING I WILL SAY ON THE SUBJECT OF COMMUNICATION, COUNCIL MEMBER LAVINE, I REGRET TO INFORM YOU THAT SHIRLEY LAWSON, WHO I UNDERSTAND HAS BECOME SOMETHING OF A ONE WAY PEN PAL OF YOURS AS OF LATE, WAS NOT ABLE TO MAKE IT TO TONIGHT'S MEETING, BUT SHE DID GIVE ME A MESSAGE TO PASS ALONG, WHICH IS AS FOLLOWS.

WHAT'S A GIRL GOT TO DO TO GET A RESPONSE TO HER EMAILS THESE DAYS? THANK YOU. [APPLAUSE]. ALEX STEIN.

ALEX STEIN. SHIRLEY LAWSON IS NOT HERE. OKAY.

AND WE'LL MOVE ON TO DAVID ROMICK.

HELLO, I'M DAVID ROMICK, AND I WANTED TO THANK YOU FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK IN FRONT OF YOU ALL TODAY.

I HAVE A LOT OF CONCERNS ABOUT THIS ARENA PROJECT, AND I'M GOING TO BRING UP A FEW OF THEM TODAY.

ONE, PEOPLE THINK THAT THIS ARENA IS, IF IT'S NOT BUILT, WILL BE STUCK WITH A DEAD MALL.

THIS IS A FALSE STATEMENT. THIS IS A FALSE BELIEF.

THE CITY COUNCIL HAS ALREADY APPROVED A MIXED USE DEVELOPMENT, SO WE DON'T NEED THIS AREA TO BE BUILT ON THE BACK OF PLANO CITIZENS FOR THE BENEFIT OF A BILLIONAIRE OWNER, DROPPED IN THE MIDDLE OF A SUBURB THAT WILL TAKE 40 YEARS TO PAY OFF FOR A TENANT THAT ONLY HAS A 30 YEAR LEASE.

THE SECOND THING IS, I'VE READ THE PRELIMINARY TRAFFIC MITIGATION STUDY, AND THE WAY THAT I READ IT IS IT'S GOING TO COST A MINIMUM OF 60 TO $100 MILLION TO DO THE MITIGATIONS.

AND THAT'S STILL WITH LEAVING FOR MAJOR INTERSECTIONS THAT AREN'T MITIGATED.

AND IN ORDER TO DO THE MITIGATIONS FOR THOSE, SOME OF THE SUGGESTIONS WHICH THEY SAID THEY HAVEN'T STUDIED YET, LOOKED LIKE THEY COULD COST AS MUCH AS $100 MILLION EACH AND COULD TAKE 5 TO 7 YEARS.

THEY WON'T EVEN BE READY WHEN THE STADIUM IS OPEN.

AND ALL OF THOSE COSTS ARE THERE, AND WE DON'T INTEND FOR THE CITY OF PLANO TO PAY FOR THEM.

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AND THE LAST POINT I HAVE IS PEOPLE ASK ME IF THIS PROJECT IS A DONE DEAL.

IF IT WAS, WOULD THE STARS BE SPENDING HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS TRYING TO CONVINCE VOTERS TO PASS PROP A? WOULD THEY BE FLYING PEOPLE IN FROM ARIZONA TO WALK PLANO STREETS TO CONVINCE PEOPLE TO VOTE ON PROP A? THIS ARENA IS NOT A FOREGONE CONCLUSION, AND I NOT ONLY ENCOURAGE CITIZENS TO VOTE NO ON PROP A, I ENCOURAGE THE COUNCIL TO STOP THIS UNNECESSARY DEVELOPMENT.

SO THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME. [APPLAUSE]. JACK LAGOS. STILL JACK LAGOS, HERE. I, IN 1956 I WAS A TEENAGER WORKING AT A FULL SERVICE GAS STATION WHILE I WAS GOING TO HIGH SCHOOL.

I BRING UP THIS LITTLE TOPIC BECAUSE SOMEBODY CAME IN WITH A STACK, A DECK OF CARDS, AND HUSTLED ME OUT OF MY WEEKLY WAGES BECAUSE I WAS NAIVE, DUMB, WHATEVER YOU WANT TO CALL IT.

THAT WAS ONE OF MY FIRST LESSONS IN LIFE ABOUT GETTING TAKEN BY A HUCKSTER.

NOW FAST FORWARD TO TODAY. I BELIEVE THAT CITY COUNCIL, WHEN IT VOTED 8 TO 0, BECAME THAT HUCKSTER.

TODAY THAT THEY HAVE JUST GONE IN 8 TO 0 FIGURING THAT THE CITY COUNCIL PEOPLE.

NO, I'M SORRY. NOT THE CITY COUNCIL, THE CITIZENS ARE TOO STUPID TO READ AND UNDERSTAND THE ENGLISH LANGUAGE.

I ALSO MADE A COMMENT EARLIER WITH MR. QUINTANILLA ABOUT OCTOBER 31ST AND GETTING ALL OF THE DATA POINTS.

YOU CAN'T MOVE AHEAD WITHOUT KNOWING WHAT YOU'RE MOVING AHEAD ON.

HE BRINGS UP A VERY GOOD QUESTION. ALL OF THOSE ANSWERS SHOULD HAVE BEEN ANSWERED BY NOW, NOT OCTOBER 31ST.

THERE IS A CITY COUNCIL. THERE IS A VOTE ON NOVEMBER 3RD.

YOU'RE LEAVING THESE CITIZENS? NOT SO MUCH THE CITIZENS BUT YOURSELF, NOT KNOWING THE ANSWERS TO A LOT OF THESE QUESTIONS.

THE GENTLEMAN THAT CAME UP BEFORE ME SAID THEY WERE GOING TO HAVE ANOTHER STUDY.

IN SPANISH IS MAÑANA, MAÑANA, MAÑANA. THAT MEANS TOMORROW, TOMORROW, TOMORROW.

YOU FOLKS ARE STUCK WITH THIS AND YOU'RE STUCK WITH US, LOOKING AT YOU ON WHAT? YOU'RE LEAVING US HANGING OUT THERE ON A TAX.

NOW, SOMEBODY USES A WORD TAX VERY LIBERALLY.

A BOND, IN MY OPINION, IS A TAX. YOU GOT TO PAY IT BACK.

THERE'S NO FREE RIDES IN LIFE. YOU CALL IT WHAT YOU WANT, BUT THE BURDENS WILL BE PUT BACK ON THE CITIZENS IF YOU DO $700 MILLION.

ALL RIGHT. NOW, THE SCHOOL DISTRICT DISAPPOINTS ME BY DOING $250 MILLION.

SO ALL YOUR PEOPLE UP THERE, PISD AS WELL AS CITY COUNCIL, JUST TAKE US AND THROW THE COST OF WHAT'S GOING ON OUR BACKS. YOU SHOULDN'T BE DOING THAT.

YOU REPRESENT US TO HELP US NOT GIVE US TAXES, WHICH THAT'S WHAT'S GOING TO BE WHETHER YOU CALL IT A BOND OR A TAX.

THANK YOU. THANK YOU. [APPLAUSE]. THE LAST SPEAKER IS VICTOR RUSSELL.

DON'T WORRY, I'M EMMITT SMITH. MY NAME IS VICTOR RUSSELL.

AND I WANTED TO TRY TO GIVE A LITTLE BIT OF AN EDUCATION HERE THIS EVENING.

I'VE BEEN AROUND 48 YEARS IN COMMERCIAL MORTGAGE BANKING AND COMMERCIAL REAL ESTATE AND AROUND THESE STADIUMS, UNITED CENTER IN CHICAGO AND DETROIT AND PONTIAC.

AND EVEN WHEN MAYOR KIRK AND PAST CITY MANAGER JOHN WARE WORKED WITH HIM ON THE AA CENTER DOWNTOWN THE NUMBERS WE'VE RAN WITH MY TEAM IN NEW YORK AND CHICAGO, THIS PROJECT IS AT A MINIMUM $400 MILLION IN THE RED FOR THE FIRST 30 YEARS.

WE'VE LOOKED AT ALL THE BUCKETS OF INCOME THAT COMES IN FROM THE TRADERS.

AND AT THE END OF THE DAY, WE DON'T SEE WHERE AT TODAY'S INTEREST RATES AND THE DEBT SERVICING OF THIS PROJECT MAKES ANY ECONOMIC SENSE.

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IT SHOULD BE IF YOU'RE GOING TO BLOW OUT $700 MILLION OR TAKE THE WILLINGNESS TO LISTEN TO $700 MILLION IS TO HAVE THE NEXT TOYOTA, AT&T AND OR SAMSUNG OR SOMEONE OF THAT NATURE LIKE LIGHTS ON AND MCKINNEY TO BE AT THIS SITE.

THERE ARE PLENTY OF COMPANIES THAT HAVE 4 TO 7,000 EMPLOYEES THAT WOULD LOVE TO BE IN PLANO ON THAT SITE.

THAT BUILDING NEEDS TO BE A SCRAPING BILL AT A MINIMUM, AND AT THE END OF THE DAY, IT COULD LOOK LIKE THE HAGERTY FARM UNTIL A CORPORATION COMES THERE AND ABLE TO IMPROVE THAT SITE TO MAKE IT WHERE YOU WOULD HAVE A CORPORATION THAT WOULD HAVE 24/7, 365 EMPLOYEES BEING ABLE TO ENJOY AND SPEND TIME IN THAT AREA AND MAKE THE AREA BETTER, VERSUS A TRANSIT AUDIENCE OF A PROFESSIONAL SPORTS STADIUM, WHICH AGAIN, AS I SAID, IT CAN'T EVEN DEBT SERVICE.

AND WE'VE RAN THE NUMBERS. MY UNDERSTANDING IS JP MORGAN HAS THEIR TIME ON THE CLOCK, WHERE WE'LL BE TILL DECEMBER 31ST, I BELIEVE, BEFORE THEY'RE TO COME BACK WITH SOME NUMBERS.

UNDERSTANDABLY SO, THERE IS A NOVEMBER 3RD VOTE.

BUT AGAIN, IN LOOKING AT THE WORST CASE SCENARIO, WE HAVE A NUMBER THAT SAYS $530 MILLION IN THE RED.

THAT'S OVER THE FIRST 30 YEARS THAT'S TAKEN INTO CONSIDERATION.

PSID PUT IT IN 250 MILLION. SO THE ECONOMICS, SOMEBODY NEEDS TO GET A PENCIL, GET TOGETHER WITH A FINANCIAL ADVISOR, UNDERSTAND WHAT WE DO. BUT TELLING YOU FROM A REAL ESTATE PERSPECTIVE, THIS PROJECT WITH A ONE HORSE TENANT, THAT BEING THE STARS, UNLIKE EVEN AMERICAN AIRLINES CENTER, WHICH HAD TWO TENANTS, THAT BEING THE MAVERICKS AND THE STARS.

AND ROSS BLEW OUT ON THAT DEAL INSIDE OF SEVEN YEARS.

IF YOU MAY REMEMBER HOW AMERICAN AIRLINES HAD TO GO TO FORECLOSURE BACK TO THE GERMAN LENDER, AND THEY HAD TO WALK THAT DEAL. THESE PROJECTS ARE REAL, REAL SENSITIVE.

THAT WAS 240 MILLION. OBVIOUSLY SEVERAL DECADES AGO.

BUT AGAIN, 700 MILLION FOR A ONE VENUE COMPANY, THE STARS.

THAT MAKES NO ECONOMIC SENSE. THANK YOU. [APPLAUSE].

THANK YOU ALL FOR YOUR SERVICE. I DO APPRECIATE YOU.

I'M KAREN DUBROW. THE $1.6 MILLION PLANO COMPREHENSIVE PLAN PROVIDING GUIDANCE AND POLICIES FOR REDEVELOPMENT IS BEING IGNORED.

THE PLAN ENHANCES THE QUALITY OF LIFE TO MEET THE NEEDS AND PRIORITIES OF RESIDENTS.

THE ARENA DOES NOT MEET THE NEEDS NOR THE PRIORITIES OF THE RESIDENTS.

THE PLAN PROMOTES VIBRANCY OF NEIGHBORHOODS MANAGING GROWTH THAT COMPLEMENTS THE CITY'S SUBURBAN CHARACTER.

AN ARENA IS TO A SUBURB AS A ZAMBONI IS TO A BACKYARD PUDDLE.

THE PLAN ENHANCES THE QUALITY OF LIFE IN THE LONG TERM, PREPARING FOR FUTURE GENERATIONS WHO MAY NOT HAVE A VOICE YET IMPACTED BY THE DECISIONS MADE TODAY. YET YOU HAVE CHOSEN TO HAVE OUR CHILDREN AND OUR UNBORN GRANDCHILDREN TO PAY 41 YEARS ON A $700 MILLION BOND THAT HAS NO DETAILS NOR PROOF THAT IT CAN SUCCEED, BUT JUST THE OPPOSITE.

WHEN WE LOOK AT THE INFRASTRUCTURE COSTS THAT ARE NOT INCLUDED IN THE BOND.

THE PLAN EMBRACES PLANO'S POSITION AS SUPPORTING OUR NEIGHBORS THROUGH LINKAGES, TRANSPORTATION, AND A SENSE OF COMMUNITY. UPWARDS OF $200 MILLION TRAFFIC MITIGATION PLAN FOR ONLY TWO INTERSECTIONS WOULD LINK US TOGETHER WITH A FLYOVER AT THE DALLAS NORTH TOLLWAY TO PARK AND A TUNNEL UNDER AT PLANO PARKWAY TO PARK.

WE ARE NOW LINKED AS A CLOSER COMMUNITY AGAINST THIS PROJECT.

THE STARS SAY THAT THEY ARE GOOD FOR THE COMMUNITY.

THEY'RE GOING TO GIVE BACK TO THE COMMUNITY AND THEY'RE GOING TO GIVE JOBS.

BUT THEY HIRED PEOPLE FROM ARIZONA AND OTHER STATES TO FLY HERE, WHICH THEY PAID FOR TO HOUSE HERE, WHICH THEY PAID FOR AND FOR FOOD, WHICH THEY PAID FOR THE STARS.

TO KNOCK ON MY DOOR, TO TELL ME THAT THIS IS NOT GOING TO CAUSE ME ANY EXTRA TAXES, THE PROP A, YET 30 TO 40% OF ALL RENTAL VEHICLES IN THIS CITY ARE RENTED BY US, THE RESIDENTS.

WE ALSO RENT HOTELS AND MOTELS. WHEN WE, OUR POWER IS OUT AND THERE ARE FLOODS AND WE HAVE EVENTS.

AND WE WILL HAVE TO PAY FOR PARKING TO GO SHOPPING AT WILLOW BEND.

I APPRECIATE HOW LONG AND HARD YOU GUYS WORKED ON THE LOI.

I GET THAT MY PHD STUDENTS, SOME OF MY PHD STUDENTS WHO WORKED FOR MANY YEARS ON RESEARCH THAT DID NOT PAN OUT,

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WE NEED YOU TO LEARN FROM THIS, REGROUP, RESET, AND GET BACK TO THE ORIGINAL PLAN WITH RESIDENCES, OFFICES, AND SHOPS WHERE WE CAN PARK FOR FREE. THANK YOU. [APPLAUSE].

THERE BEING NO FURTHER BUSINESS, THE MEETING IS ADJOURNED.

* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.