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[CALL TO ORDER]
THE SEPTEMBER 8TH CITY OF PLANO PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION MEETING.I NOW CALL THE MEETING TO ORDER AT 6:01 PM IF YOU'D ALL PLEASE RISE AND JOIN ME IN THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE, THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA NATION.
[CONSENT AGENDA]
AGENDA.THE CONSENT AGENDA WILL BE ACTED UPON IN ONE MOTION AND CONTAINS ITEMS THAT ARE ROUTINE AND TYPICALLY NON-CONTROVERSIAL.
ITEMS MAY BE REMOVED FROM THIS AGENDA FOR INDIVIDUAL CONSIDERATION BY COMMISSIONERS OR STAFF.
MR. LINCOLNFELTER, I MOVE THAT WE PULL ITEM NUMBER C, LETTER C OFF.
AND THEN RECOMMEND THAT WE APPROVE THE REST OF IT AS RECOMMENDED BY STAFF.
ALRIGHT, COMMISSIONER OLLEY? UH, I'LL SECOND.
ALRIGHT, SO WE HAVE A MOTION TO APPROVE EVERYTHING EXCEPT FOR ITEM C.
[c. Preliminary Site Plan: Berkeley Square Addition, Block 1, Lots 1R & 4-6 – Shopping center and 356 multifamily residences on four lots on 15.2 acres located on the north side of Preston Road, 275 feet west of Ohio Drive. Zoned Retail with Specific Use Permits No. 92 for Private Club, No. 148 for Day Care Center, No. 169 for Massage Establishment, No. 488 for Private Club, and No. 652 for Theater-Regional and located within the Preston Road Overlay District. Project #PSP2026-016. (Administrative consideration)]
C, STAFF REPORT CONSENT AGENDA ITEM C BERKELEY SQUARE EDITION BLOCK ONE LOTS.ONE R AND 4, 3 6 SHOPPING CENTER AND 356 MULTIFAMILY RESIDENCES ON FOUR LOTS ON 15.2 ACRES.
LOCATED ON THE NORTH SIDE OF PRESTON ROAD.
DRIVE ZONED RETAIL WITH SPECIFIC USE PERMITS.
NUMBER 92 FOR PRIVATE CLUB NUMBER 1 48 FOR DAYCARE CENTER NUMBER 1 69 FOR MASSAGE ESTABLISHMENT NUMBER 4 88 FOR PRIVATE CLUB.
AND NUMBER FIVE, NUMBER 6 52 FOR THEATER REGIONAL AND LOCATED WITHIN THE PRESTON ROAD OVERLAY DISTRICT.
UH, THE APPLICANT IS BERKELEY SQUARE, EDEN'S, LLC.
THIS ITEM IS FOR ADMINISTRATIVE CONSIDERATION.
MY NAME IS JOHN KIM, SENIOR PLANNER WITH THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT.
UH, THIS IS THE PRELIMINARY SITE PLAN 20 26 0 1 6.
UM, IT IS AT OHIO, OHIO DRIVE AND PARK BOULEVARD.
AND THE STAFF IS RECOMMENDING THAT THE COMMISSION TABLE THE ITEM AVAILABLE FOR QUESTIONS.
ANY QUESTIONS OF THE STAFF? SEEING NONE, I PREPARED TO MAKE A MOTION.
COMMISSIONER ALI, I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO UH, TABLE, UH, AGENDA ITEM, UM, C UH, AS RECOMMENDED BY STAFF COMMISSIONER BENDER.
ALRIGHT, WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND TO TABLE ITEM C PLEASE VOTE.
MOTION PASSES EIGHT TO ZERO ITEMS
[1. Public Hearing – Replat: 1897 Townhomes Addition, Block B, Lots 1R-15R, 16X, & 17X – Fifteen single-family residence attached lots and two common area lots on 0.6 acre located at the southeast corner of 15th Street and Great Salt Street. Zoned Planned Development-133-Downtown Business/Government. Project #R2026-021. (Administrative consideration)]
FOR INDIVIDUAL CONSIDERATION.ITEMS FOR INDIVIDUAL CONSIDERATION.
PUBLIC HEARING ITEMS UNLESS INSTRUCTED OTHERWISE BY THE CHAIR SPEAKERS WILL BE CALLED IN THE ORDER.
APPLICANTS ARE LIMITED TO A TOTAL OF 15 MINUTES OF PRESENTATION TIME WITH A FIVE MINUTE REBUTTAL IF NEEDED.
REMAINING SPEAKERS ARE LIMITED TO 30 TOTAL MINUTES OF TESTIMONY TIME WITH THREE MINUTES ASSIGNED PER SPEAKER.
RESIDING OFFICER MAY MODIFY THESE TIMES AS DEEMED NECESSARY.
ADMINISTRATIVE CONSIDERATION ITEMS MUST BE APPROVED IF THEY MEET CITY DEVELOPMENT REGULATIONS.
LEGISLATIVE CONSIDERATION ITEMS ARE MORE DISCRETIONARY EXCEPT AS CONSTRAINED BY LEGAL CONSIDERATIONS.
NON-PUBLIC HEARING ITEMS THE RESIDING OFFICER WILL PERMIT LIMITED PUBLIC COMMENT.
FOR ITEMS ON THE AGENDA NOT POSTED FOR A PUBLIC HEARING, THE RESIDING OFFICER WILL ESTABLISH TIME LIMITS BASED UPON THE NUMBER OF SPEAKERS REQUESTS, LENGTH OF THE AGENDA AND TO ENSURE MEETING EFFICIENCY AND MAY INCLUDE A TOTAL TIME LIMIT.
ALRIGHT, ITEM ONE, AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 1 18 97 TOWN HOMES EDITION BLOCK B LOTS ONE R THROUGH 15 R 16 X AND 17 X 15 SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENCE ATTACHED LOTS AND TWO COMMON AREA LOTS ON 0.6 ACRE.
LOCATED AT THE SOUTHEAST CORNER OF 15TH STREET AND GREAT SALT LAKE STREET.
I'M SORRY, GREAT SALT STREET ZONED PLAN DEVELOPMENT 1 33 DOWNTOWN BUSINESS GOVERNMENT.
THE APPLICANT IS FENWAY DEVELOPMENT INCORPORATED.
THIS ITEM IS FOR ADMINISTRATIVE CONSIDERATION.
SO ON THE SCREEN YOU WILL SEE THE LOCATOR MAP.
IT IS LOCATED OFF 15TH STREET AND GREAT SALT STREET.
AND SO AS YOU CAN SEE THERE ARE CURRENTLY 15 RESIDENTIAL LOTS AND THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING TO SUBDIVIDE THE LOTS OF THE VERY ENDS OF THE STREET, UM, INTO TWO RESIDENTIAL LOTS AND TWO COMMON AREA LOTS.
STAFF IS RECOMMENDING FOR APPROVAL AS SUBMITTED.
I'M AVAILABLE FOR ANY QUESTIONS, COMMISSIONERS.
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COMMISSIONER BRUNO, WHERE IS GREAT SALT STREET? I DROVE ALL AROUND THERE.SO IT IS GONNA BE THE, UM, THE CURVE STREET ALONG THE SOUTH, UM, FROM THE WEST SIDE TO THE EAST.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OF STAFF? ALRIGHT, SEEING NONE, WE DO HAVE A PUBLIC HEARING.
DO WE HAVE ANY REGISTERED SPEAKERS ON THIS ITEM? WE DO NOT.
ALRIGHT, I'LL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING.
ANY COMMENTS? COMMISSION PREPARED TO MAKE A MOTION.
COMMISSIONER BRUNO, I MOVE THAT WE APPROVE ITEM ONE AS RECOMMENDED BY STAFF COMMISSIONER LINCOLNFELTER.
I'LL SECOND RIGHT, WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND PLEASE VOTE.
[2. Public Hearing – Replat: 1897 Townhomes Addition, Block C, Lots 3R & 17X – One single-family residence attached lot and one common area lot on 0.1 acre located at the southwest corner of Great Salt Street and N Avenue. Zoned Planned Development-133-Downtown Business/Government. Project #R2026-023. (Administrative consideration)]
AGENDA.AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 2 18 97 TOWN HOMES EDITION BLOCK C LOTS THREE R AND 17 X ONE SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENCE ATTACHED LOT AND ONE COMMON AREA LOT ON 0.1 ACRE.
LOCATED AT THE SOUTHWEST CORNER OF GREAT SALT STREET AND NORTH AVENUE ZONED PLAN DEVELOPMENT.
1 33 DOWNTOWN BUSINESS GOVERNMENT.
THE APPLICANT IS FENWAY DEVELOPMENT INCORPORATED.
THIS ITEM IS FOR ADMINISTRATIVE CONSIDERATION.
SO THIS IS ALSO IN THE SAME AREA AS THE PREVIOUS ITEM.
UH, THIS IS THE SOUTHWEST CORNER OF SALT, GREAT SALT AND N AVENUE AS YOU CAN SEE HIGHLIGHTED.
IT IS CURRENTLY A RESIDENTIAL LOT REQUESTING A SUB ABIDE INTO RESIDENTIAL AND COMMON AREA LOT.
THE REC STAFF APPROVES RECOMMENDATION STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL AS SUBMITTED.
I'M AVAILABLE FOR ANY QUESTIONS, COMMISSION ANY QUESTIONS OF THE STAFF? COMMISSIONER ALI? UM, JUST ONE, THE COMMON AREA LOT WILL BE AVAILABLE TO LOT THE OTHER PLOTTED LOTS IN THAT AREA OR IS IT GONNA BE DEDICATED TO ONE OR TWO OF THE LOTS AROUND IT? YEAH, IT WILL BE ITS OWN SEPARATE LOT, UH, MAINTAINED BY THE HOA.
ALRIGHT, ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OF STAFF? NOBODY.
OKAY, WE HAVE A PUBLIC HEARING.
LEMME OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING.
DO WE HAVE ANY REGISTERED SPEAKERS? NO SIR.
WE DO NOT CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING.
I MOVE THAT WE UH, APPROVE ITEM NUMBER TWO AS RECOMMENDED BY STAFF COMMISSIONER ALI.
SORRY, I GOT MY, GOT Y'ALL MIXED UP FOR A SECOND.
UM, ALRIGHT, WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND.
[3. Public Hearing – Replat: Aldridge Place Addition, Block 6, Lot 9R – One General Residential lot on 0.2 acre located on the west side of G Avenue, 345 feet south of 12th Street. Zoned General Residential and located within the Expressway Corridor Overlay District. Project #R2026-029. (Administrative consideration)]
AGENDA ITEM NUMBER THREE.ALDRIDGE PLACE EDITION BLOCK SIX LOT NINE R ONE.
GENERAL RESIDENTIAL LOT ON 0.2 ACRE.
LOCATED ON THE WEST SIDE OF G AVENUE.
345 FEET SOUTH OF 12TH STREET ZONE GENERAL RESIDENTIAL AND LOCATED WITHIN THE EXPRESSWAY CORRIDOR OVERLAY DISTRICT.
THE APPLICANT IS ALI RECYCLING.
THIS ITEM IS FOR ADMINISTRATIVE CONSIDERATION.
MY NAME IS ANNA SUITER, A PLANNER FOR DEVELOPMENT REVIEW.
THE PURPOSE OF THIS REPL IS TO ESTABLISH THE LOT BOUNDARIES TO REFLECT A FIVE FOOT RIGHT OF WAY.
RECOMMENDED FOR APPROVAL AS SUBMITTED.
AND I AM AVAILABLE FOR ANY QUESTIONS IF YOU HAVE ANY COMMISSION.
ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE STAFF? COMMISSIONER ALI? UH, I JUST HAVE ONE QUESTION.
UH, SO YOU LIKE, WILL THE UM, EXPRESSWAY, CORRIDOR OVERLAY AFFECT THE PLAT IN ANY WAY? NO, IT'LL NOT.
'CAUSE THIS IS A RESIDENTIAL RE PLAT.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OF STAFF COMMISSIONER OLLIE? THE FIVE FOOT RIGHT OF WAY IS REQUESTED BY WHAT? THE CITY, THE APPLICANT.
THE FIVE FOOT RIGHT OF WAY WAS DEDICATED, UM, IN THE SEVENTIES BY A, BY A SEPARATE INSTRUMENT OR BY A DEED.
SO IT WAS DEDICATED ALREADY TO, TO THE CITY, BUT IT WASN'T REPLANTED BA BACK THEN.
SO THIS REPLANT ESSENTIALLY REAFFIRMS OR WRITES IT INTO THE DEED.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OF STAFF? NONE.
LET ME OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING.
DO WE HAVE ANY REGISTERED SPEAKERS ON THIS ITEM? NO SIR.
ALL I'LL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING.
MR. LINGENFELTER, I MOVE THAT WE APPROVE.
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STAFF COMMISSIONER OLLEY.ALRIGHT, WE HAVE MOTION AND A SECOND, PLEASE VOTE.
[4. Public Hearing – Preliminary Replat & Revised Site Plan: Swaminarayan Gurukul Addition, Block A, Lot 1R – Religious facility on one lot on 28.3 acres located on the west side of Park Vista Road, 1,420 feet south of 14th Street. Zoned Agricultural and located within the Expressway Corridor Overlay District. Projects #PR2026-007 & #RSP2026-010. (Administrative consideration)]
AGENDA ITEM NUMBER FOUR, SW GURULE ADDITION BLOCK A LOT ONE R RELIGIOUS FACILITY ON ONE LOT ON 28.3 ACRES LOCATED ON THE WEST SIDE OF PARK VISTA ROAD.1,420 FEET SOUTH OF 14TH STREET ZONE AGRICULTURAL AND LOCATED WITHIN, WITHIN THE EXPRESSWAY CORRIDOR OVERLAY DISTRICT.
THIS ITEM IS FOR ADMINISTRATIVE CONSIDERATION.
I'M A PLANNER WITH THE PLANET APARTMENT.
THE SUBJECT PROPERTY IS LOCATED ON THE WEST SIDE OF PARK VISTA ROAD AND IS AN EXISTING RELIGIOUS FACILITY.
THE PURPOSE OF THE RELAID IS TO ABANDON AND DEDICATE EASEMENTS FOR SITE IMPROVEMENTS.
AND THE PURPOSE OF THE REVISED SITE PLAN IS TO ADD TWO ACCESSORY STRUCTURES, UH, A PERIMETER FENCE AND RELATED SITE IMPROVEMENTS AS SHOWN ON THE NEXT FEW SLIDES.
STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF THE PRELIMINARY PLAT SUBJECT TO APPROVAL OF A HOLD HARNESS AGREEMENT FOR A FENCE ENCROACHMENT INTO THE DRAINAGE AND FLOW WEIGHT EASEMENT AND THE SANITARY SEWER EASEMENT AS REQUIRED BY OUR ENGINEERING DEPARTMENT AND ANY ADDITIONS OR ALTERATIONS TO THE ENGINEERING PLANS THAT MAY ALSO BE REQUIRED BY THE ENGINEERING DEPARTMENT.
UM, STAFF ALSO RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF THE REVISED SITE PLAN SUBJECT TO APPROVAL OF UH, UM, EXCUSE ME, SUBJECT TO ANY ADDITIONS OR ALTERATIONS BY TO THE ENGINEERING PLANS AS REQUIRED BY THE ENGINEERING DEPARTMENT.
AND I'M AVAILABLE FOR ANY QUESTIONS, PERMISSION.
ANY QUESTIONS OF STAFF COMMISSIONER LOLLY? UM, SO DO WE HAVE, UH, WHAT KIND OF FENCING THAT THEY'RE GONNA BE PUTTING THERE? EXCUSE ME.
UH, WHAT KIND OF FENCE? UH, I THINK IT IS A CHAIN LINK FENCE IF I'M CORRECT.
SO DOES IT HAVE LIKE A RETAINING WALL OR SOMETHING? IT'S NOT GONNA, UH, AFFECT THE, UH, THE EASEMENT, THE DRAINAGE OR, WELL, THE, THE FENCE WILL NEED A HOLD, A HOLD HARNESS AGREEMENT.
UM, AND SO THAT'S CURRENTLY IN THE WORKS WITH OUR LEGAL DEPARTMENT AND IT ULTIMATELY HAS TO GET APPROVED BY THE ENGINEERING DEPARTMENT.
COMMISSIONER OLLIE? UH, THERE'S NO FENCE IN CURRENTLY IN PLACE.
THERE IS AN EXISTING FENCE ON THE SITE.
AND I THINK THEY ARE, UM, RELOCATING A PORTION OF THE FENCE AND SO THEREFORE THAT HOLD HARNESS AGREEMENT HAS TO GET APPROVED.
OKAY, BUT THE TYPE OF FENCING IS NOT NECESSARILY CHANGING? NO, IT'S THE LOCATION OF THE FENCE.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OF STAFF? SEEING NONE, THIS IS A PUBLIC HEARING.
DO WE HAVE ANY REGISTERED SPEAKERS ON THIS ITEM? NO SIR.
ALRIGHT, I'LL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING.
WE APPROVE AGENDA ITEM NUMBER FOUR, UH, AS RECOMMENDED BY STAFF BASED ON THE APPROVALS, ADDITIONS, OR ALTERATIONS REQUIRED BY THE ENGINEERING DEPARTMENT.
COMMISSIONER ALI? UH, I'LL SECOND.
I HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND PLEASE VOTE.
MOTION PASSES EIGHT TO ZERO FIVE.
[5. Public Hearing – Replat & Revised Site Plan: Plano East Church of Christ Addition, Block A, Lots 1R & 2 – Religious facility and vacant land on two lots on 5.0 acres located at the northwest corner of Merriman Drive and Ranch Estates Drive. Zoned Planned Development-173-Estate Development. Projects #R2026-032 & #RSP2026-014. (Legislative consideration of Subdivision Ordinance variance)]
AGENDA ITEM NUMBER FIVE, PLANO EAST CHURCH OF CHRIST EDITION BLOCK A LOTS ONE R AND TWO RELIGIOUS FACILITY AND VACANT LAND ON TWO LOTS ON FIVE ACRES.LOCATED AT THE NORTHWEST CORNER OF MERRIMAN DRIVE AND RANCH ESTATES DRIVE ZONED PLAN DEVELOPMENT 1 73 ESTATE DEVELOPMENT.
THE APPLICANT IS PLANO EAST CHURCH OF CHRIST.
THIS ITEM IS FOR LEGISLATIVE CONSIDERATION OF SUBDIVISION ORDINANCE VARIANCE.
THIS SLIDE SHOWS THE SUBJECT PROPERTY ALONG THE NORTHWEST CORNER OF MERRIMAN DRIVE AND RANCH ESTATE DRIVE.
THE PURPOSE FOR THE REPL IS TO SUBDIVIDE AN EXISTING LOT INTO TWO LOTS.
AN EXISTING RELIGIOUS FACILITY WILL REMAIN ON THE SOUTHERN LOT AND THE NORTHERN LOT IS ATTEN INTENDED TO BE SOLD.
WITH THIS REPL THE APPLICANT IS REQUEST REQUESTING A VARIANCE FROM A SIDEWALK CONSTRUCTION.
THE PURPOSE FOR THE REVISED SIDE PLAN
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IS TO SHOW THE NEW LOT BOUNDARIES UPDATED BY SITE INFORMATION.THE PROPERTY HAS AN EXISTING SIDEWALK ALONG MERRIMAN DRIVE AND A PARTIAL SIDEWALK ALONG ALONG RANCH ESTATE DRIVE PROPERTIES TO THE NORTH ALONG RANCH.
ESTATE DRIVE DO NOT HAVE SIDEWALKS.
THE PLA APPLICANT IS REQUESTING A VARIANCE FROM CONSTRUCTING THE REMAINING 280 FEET OF SIDEWALK ALONG RANCH.
RANCH ASS EIGHTS DRIVE AS SHOWN ON THE SCREEN, PICTURE ONE SHOWS THE EXISTING SIDEWALK ENDS BEFORE THE DRIVEWAY OF LOT ONE R AND DOES NOT CONTINUE FURTHER NORTH.
FURTHER NORTH PICTURE TWO SHOWS THE EXISTING SUBURBAN SUBURBAN CHARACTER ALONG RANCH ASSAYS DRIVE WHERE SIDEWALKS ARE GENERAL, GENERALLY NOT PRESENT.
THE VARIANCE CRITERIA FOCUS ON ENSURING THERE IS NO PUBLIC HARM.
THE CONDITIONS ARE UNIQUE TO THE PROPERTY, A HARDSHIP EXISTS AND THE REQUEST REMAINS CONSISTENT WITH THE ZONING ORDEN ORDINANCE AND COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
THE SIDEWALK REQUIREMENT WOULD PROVIDE LIMITED CONNECTIVITY DUE TO THE LOCK OF CON CON LACK OF CONTINUOUS SIDEWALK SYSTEM ALONG WITH EXISTING SITE CONSTRAINT AND NO CURRENT ENGINEERING ENGINEERING PLANS FOR SIDEWALK CONSTRUCTION.
UH, UH, THE SITE FOR THE REPL SITE RECOMMENDS APPROVAL SUBJECT TO THE REQUIRED FINDINGS BEING MET TO ALLOW AN EXCEPTION FROM THE SIDEWALK CONSTRUCTION REQUIREMENT ALONG THE NORTHERN FRONTAGE OF LOT ONE R AND FRONTAGE OF LOT TWO ON RANCH ESTATE DRIVE.
UH, FOR REVIS SIDE PLAN, THE STAFF RECOMMENDS FOR APPROVAL AS SUBMITTED.
I'M AVAILABLE FOR ANY QUESTIONS.
UM, THE REVISED LOT TWO THAT'S GONNA MEET ALL OF THE REQUIREMENTS OF THE, THE CURRENT ZONING IN THAT NEIGHBORHOOD.
'CAUSE I KNOW THAT NEIGHBORHOOD HAS A UNIQUE ZONING.
UM, COMMISSIONER ALI, UH, CAN YOU GO BACK TO THE PICTURE ONE AND TWO? THERE WE GO.
UM, SO THIS CURRENT SIDEWALK THAT IS IN PLACE WOULD LEADS TO THE IT CUT, CUT THROUGH WHAT WOULD BE WHERE THE RELIGIOUS FACILITY IS CURRENTLY? CORRECT.
SO THAT SIDEWALK THAT ENDS ON THE RIGHT OF WAY OR THE ENTRANCE IS ONLY FOR THE RELIGIOUS FACILITY SO THAT THAT PART ON THE NORTH ARE VACANT, IS VACANT RIGHT NOW AND THERE'S NO SIDEWALK THERE.
AND WE REQUIRED, DID WE REQUIRE A SIDEWALK FOR THE RE RELIGIOUS FACILITY? YES.
SO THE ASSUMPTION HERE, AND TELL ME IF I'M PUTTING WORDS IN YOUR MOUTH, IS IF THIS SECOND LOT THAT IS GONNA BE SOLD IS SOLD FOR ANYTHING OTHER THAN RESIDENTIAL, WE WOULD REQUIRE SIDEWALK.
SO LET'S, LET'S ASSUME THERE'S A SECOND RELIGIOUS FACILITY.
SO I BELIEVE THAT THIS LOT IS BE, IS BE, IS GONNA BE USED FOR, FOR, UH, RESIDENTIAL AS WELL AS A MATTER OF FACT.
UH, THE, THE, THE, THE OWNER IS HERE MM-HMM
OR THEY ARE HERE, THE PEOPLE WHO'S GONNA BUY THE OTHER LOT AND THEY'RE PLANNING TO, TO CONSTRUCT A RESIDENTIAL HOUSE.
I UNDERSTAND THAT, BUT LET'S ASSUME THEY, WE APPROVE THE VARIANCE AND THEY COME AND PUT SOMETHING THAT IS NOT RESIDENTIAL.
DO WE HAVE THE ABILITY TO NOW MANDATE A SIDEWALK ON THE NEW LOT? NOT UNLESS THERE'S A NEED TO REPL AGAIN FOR EASEMENTS OR OTHER PURPOSES LIKE THAT.
ONCE IT'S PLATTED AND THEN, THEN THERE'S NO REASON, NO REASON TO REQUIRE A REPL, THEN THE VARIANCE WILL HOLD.
TYPICALLY WITH A RESIDENTIAL HOME, HOWEVER, THE SIDEWALKS ARE CONSTRUCTED AT THE TIME OF PERMIT, NOT AT THE TIME OF PLAT.
AND SO IF THE VARIANCE IS NOT GRANTED WITH THIS REPL, THEN THE HOMEOWNER WOULD'VE TO COME IN ON THEIR OWN AND REQUEST A VARIANCE WITH THE BUILDING PERMIT, WHICH IS NOT TYPICAL.
SO THE INTENT HERE WAS TO, TO HELP THEM OUT BY DOING IT WITH THIS REPLAY.
THANK YOU COMMISSIONER BRONSKI.
IF YOU COULD GO FORWARD, UH,
UH, WHAT IT'S SAYING THERE IN THE REPL LANGUAGE IS NOT REQUESTING THAT WE COMPLETE A FINDINGS FORM.
IS THAT CORRECT, MR. BELL? THAT'S CORRECT.
THIS IS NOT A FINDINGS AS YOU WOULD SEE IN A ZONING CASE.
I JUST WANTED TO CLARIFY THAT.
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AND SO MY SECOND QUESTION IS THE WAY THIS WAS CURRENTLY ZONED AND UH, CONSTRUCTED, UH, SHOULD THEY HAVE COMPLETED THE SIDEWALK ALREADY THROUGH THAT PROPERTY OR WAS THAT SOMETHING THAT WE ALLOWED THEM TIME TO MAKE CHANGES TO? IT IS SOMETHING THAT WE ALLOW.UM, IF WE LOOK AT THE PD, THE PD, LIKE THE PICTURE THAT I'VE SHOWN, IT'S MORE ON HAVING THE SUBURB SUBURBAN CHARACTER OF THIS, UH, THIS DEVELOPMENT.
SO WE ALLOW THEM TO NOT CONSTRUCT THE SIDEWALK.
AS A MATTER OF FACT, ENGINEERING HAS NO INTENTIONS OR NO PLANS AS OF THE MOMENT TO CONSTRUCT ANY SIDEWALK IN THAT PARTICULAR DEVELOPMENT? NO.
SO MY QUESTION WAS FOR THE CHURCH, WHEN THE CHURCH WENT IN AND THEY HAD TO PUT THE, THE INITIAL PART OF THEIR SIDEWALK WAS THE EXPECTATION THAT THEY WERE GONNA PUT THE SIDEWALK ON THAT OTHER SPACE AND THEY JUST DID NOT COMPLETE THAT, UH, THAT THE CHURCH WAS BUILT SO LONG AGO.
I DON'T BELIEVE WE HAVE THE RECORDS TO CONFIRM THAT ONE WAY OR THE OTHER.
SO THAT, THAT'S WHAT I THAT'S WHAT I WAS TRYING TO UNDERSTAND.
IF THEY HAD A, A RESPONSIBILITY THAT THEY SHOULD HAVE PUT THE SIDEWALK IN ALREADY AND HAD NOT DONE SO.
SO THAT WAS WHAT I WAS ASKING ABOUT.
UH, I KNOW LIKE, THANK YOU FOR CLARIFYING THAT.
UH, LIKE THE SIDEWALKS ARE THE ENGINEERING DEPARTMENT, UH, THEY DON'T HAVE ANY INTENTION TO BUILD THE SIDEWALK NOW, BUT PER THE STREET DESIGNS FOR THIS TYPE OF STREET, UH, ARE SIDEWALKS REQUIRED? YES.
SO YOU'RE LIKE, SO MAYBE ANYTIME IN THE FUTURE THE CITY MIGHT DECIDE TO, SO ACCORDING TO ENGINEERING DEPARTMENT FOR THIS DEVELOPMENT, THEY ARE NOT INTENDING TO, UM, TO, TO CONSTRUCT A SIDEWALK UNLESS THE PROPERTY OWNER ASKED TO DO SO.
SO YOU LIKE, THERE THERE IS A PROBABILITY THAT ONE OF THE, LIKE ONE OF THE PROPERTY OWNERS, THEY NEED TO BUILD A SIDEWALK.
SO WILL THAT, UM, FORCE THE OTHER PROPERTY OWNERS TO CONTINUE THE SIDEWALK? SO IT DEPENDS ON THE PROPERTY OWNER.
IF THE PROPERTY OWNER WANTS TO REQUEST FOR A SIDEWALK ON THEIR PART ON, IN, IN, IN THE FRONTAGE OF THEIR PROPERTY, BUT I DON'T THINK THAT IT'LL FORCE THE OTHER PROPERTY OWNERS TO DO THE SAME THING.
I WOULD SAY IT'S UNLIKELY THAT WE'RE GONNA, THAT THE CITY WOULD BUILD A SIDEWALK JUST FOR ONE LOT JUST BECAUSE THE DRAINAGE IN THAT AREA IS THE BAR DITCH.
AND SO THAT SIDEWALK WOULD AFFECT THE DRAINAGE SIGNIFICANTLY.
SO IF YOU, IF YOU TRAVEL THIS NEIGHBORHOOD, YOU'LL NOTICE IT IS, IT HAS A RURAL CHARACTER WITH THE ZONING OF IT ACTUALLY REQUIRES CERTAIN TYPES OF FENCING MM-HMM
TO KEEP THAT KIND OF RURAL CHARACTER.
UM, AND SO, UM, I THINK WE'RE OF THE OPINION THAT, THAT THAT IS A UNIQUE QUALITY AND CHARACTERISTIC OF THIS NEIGHBORHOOD.
YOU WANNA KEEP, KEEP AS WORTHY OF THE VARIANCE.
AND YOU LIKE CAN DO WE HAVE LIKE A, SOME SORT OF ESCROW IF IN CASE THE CITY WOULD LIKE A, 'CAUSE SOME CITIES HAVE LIKE A ESCROW IN THE FUTURE IF THEY WANT TO BUILD SIDEWALK.
SO THERE'S LIKE A MONEY, ENOUGH MONEY NOT FOR THIS SPECIFIC PURPOSE, NO.
UM, IS IT CORRECT THAT THE, I GUESS BOTH LOTS TOGETHER ARE CURRENTLY ZONED PLAN DEVELOPMENT 1 73 ESTATE DEVELOPMENT.
AND DOES THAT ZONING CATEGORY ALLOW FOR THE RELIGIOUS FACILITY ON WHAT WILL BECOME LOT ONE? UH, IN OTHER WORDS, IF WE APPROVE THIS APPLICATION, WE WILL NOT BE THROWING THE CHURCH IN INTO A NON-CONFORMING STATUS, WILL WE? NO, NO SIR.
UM, RELIGIOUS FACILITIES WOULD BE ALLOWED ON BOTH LOTS.
AND AS TO THE PROPOSED LOT, NUMBER TWO, HOW MANY HOMES CAN YOU BUILD ON A SINGLE PLANTED LOT? ONE.
AND UM, THIS IS NOT AN APPLICATION TO CHANGE THE ZONING, IS IT? NO, IT'S NOT.
SO IF WE APPROVE THE APPLICATION, WHAT WE HAVE IS LOT TWO WHICH WOULD AUTHORIZE THE CONSTRUCTION OF ONE HOME ON THAT LOG, IS THAT CORRECT? CORRECT.
AND IF THE APPLICANT, IF THE PURCHASER FOR SOME REASON DECIDED TO DO SOMETHING ELSE, SOMETHING NON-RESIDENTIAL SUBDIVISION OR WHATEVER, HE'D HAVE TO COME IN AND ASK FOR A ZONING CHANGE AND PROBABLY SOME RELAS AND UM, SITE PLANS AND SO FORTH, RIGHT.
SO THAT, THAT WOULD BE SOMETHING WE ARE NOT DEALING WITH IN THIS CASE.
IS THAT CORRECT? SO WHAT THEY'RE TRYING TO APPLY IN HERE FOR THIS, UH, DEVELOPMENT IS JUST A VARIANCE VARIANCE FOR FOR THE SIDEWALK SIDEWALK.
SO IN CASE THAT THERE ARE UM, OTHER USES THAT SUPPOSEDLY SHOULD GO INTO THE OTHER LOT THAT'S VACANT RIGHT NOW, AS LONG AS IT'S ALLOWED WITHIN THAT DISTRICT, THEN THEY DON'T HAVE TO GO THROUGH ZONING CHANGE.
SO WHAT WE'RE, WHAT WOULD, WHAT WE WOULD BE LEFT WITH IF WE APPROVE THIS IS A LOT ONE WITH A CHURCH ON IT LOT TWO
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IS A SINGLE LOT WHICH WOULD ALLOW THE CONSTRUCTION OF A SINGLE HOME WITH A VARIANCE FOR, UM, FROM THE SIDEWALK REQUIREMENT AND THAT'S IT.UM, I DON'T KNOW IF THIS REALLY IS GONNA CHANGE MY VOTE EITHER WAY 'CAUSE I, I, YOU KNOW, I SEE THE, THE PURPOSE WITH THE BAR DITCH AND JUST THE LOOK AND EVERYTHING, BUT, UH, IT DOES SOUND LIKE THERE'S SOME CONCERN WITH WHAT COMMISSIONER OLLIE HAD JUST SAID AND MR. UH, BRUNO HAD SAID.
BUT UM, IS THERE A WAY TO APPROVE SOMETHING LIKE THIS SO THAT THERE'S A CONDITION SO THAT IF IF THEY GO NON-RESIDENTIAL THEY COULD POTENTIAL, THEY WOULD HAVE TO DO A SIDEWALK VERSUS IF IT STAYS RESIDENTIAL, WE'RE GRANTING THAT THEY DON'T NEED A SIDEWALK KIND OF THING? I DON'T BELIEVE SO.
WE'D HAVE TO, WE'D HAVE TO LOOK INTO THAT AND GET BACK TO YOU.
UM, HOWEVER IT HELPS I THINK, YOU KNOW, THERE'S A CHANCE THAT AN INSTITUTIONAL USE SCHOOL AT DAYCARE ARE TECHNICALLY PERMITTED USES ON THIS SITE, BUT THEY WOULD NEED TO PROVIDE TWO POINTS OF ACCESS.
THEY NEED TO PROVIDE FIRE PROTECTION.
IT IS VERY LIKELY THAT THEY WOULD NEED TO PLA FOR EASEMENTS OR FOR ACCESS PURPOSES.
I CAN'T, I CAN'T GUARANTEE THAT, BUT IT IS VERY LIKELY THAT HELPS.
UM, IF YOU LOOK AT THOSE PICTURES, AND I'M FAMILIAR WITH THIS AREA, THERE'S NO CONTINUOUS SIDEWALK ON LOT WHAT'S BEING PROPOSED IS LOT TWO, THERE'S NO SIDEWALK ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THAT LOT, RIGHT? IT'S ALL, UH, AS YOU SEE IN THE PICTURE, THAT'S THE WAY IT IS ALL THE WAY DOWN.
SO THIS IS CONSISTENT WITH THAT WHOLE AR AREA NEIGHBORHOOD, IS THAT CORRECT? CORRECT SIR.
ALRIGHT, NO QUESTIONS FROM COMMISSION.
ALRIGHT, THIS IS A PUBLIC HEARING.
DO WE HAVE ANY REGISTERED SPEAKERS ON THIS ITEM? NO SIR.
ALRIGHT, I'LL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING COMMISSION.
COMMISSIONER ALI? UH, I THINK WHAT WE WERE JUST TRYING TO GET AT WAS JUST MORE COMFORT ON THE FACT THAT GIVEN THE, ESSENTIALLY WAS GRANDFATHERED IN THAT WE HAD SOME MECHANISM JUST IN CASE, YOU KNOW, HE ALWAYS KIND OF LIKE, UH, PLAN FOR THE EXTREME.
UM, BUT IT SOUNDS LIKE WE HAVE SOME LEVEL OF LEVELS IF IT'S NOT RESIDENTIAL.
SO WITH THAT, I I MOVE, WE APPROVE, UH, THE WAIVER AS RECOMMENDED BY STAFF AND COMMISSIONER LOLLY.
WAIVER
UM, COMMISSIONER BRUNO, YOU HAVE UM, COULD I PROPOSE A SLIGHT AMENDMENT TO THE MOTION THAT THE COMMISSION FIND THAT BASED UPON THE INFORMATION PROVIDED BY STAFF IN THE PACKET, ALL THE CONDITIONS NECESSARY TO APPROVE THE REQUESTED VARIANCE HAVE BEEN MET AS A FINDING? I'M GONNA, I BELIEVE THAT'S ALREADY BASICALLY STATED IN THE, IN THE STAFF REPORT, CORRECT? YES.
SO THAT'S EFFECTIVELY INHERENT TO THE MOTION.
ALRIGHT, SO WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND PLEASE VOTE.
[6. Discussion – Legacy Area Master Plan Update: Receive an update and hold a discussion on Phase 1 of the Legacy Area Master Plan. Project #DI2026-006. (For information only)]
SIX.AGENDA ITEM NUMBER SIX, RECEIVE AN UPDATE AND HOLD A DISCUSSION ON PHASE ONE OF THE LEGACY AREA MASTER PLAN.
THE APPLICANT IS THE CITY OF PLANO.
THIS ITEM IS FOR INFORMATION ONLY.
IF I COULD INTERRUPT BEFORE YOU GET STARTED.
FOR THOSE OF Y'ALL THAT WERE HERE FOR OTHER CASES, YOU'RE MORE THAN WELCOME TO STAY WITH US THE REST OF THE NIGHT IF YOU'D LIKE TO, BUT WE WILL NOT GET OUR FEELINGS HURT.
IF Y'ALL WOULD LIKE TO LEAVE
I COULD SEE YOU LOOKING AROUND LIKE SEEING IF IT WAS.
MY NAME IS MIRIAM ZAHIR, SENIOR PLANNER WITH THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT.
THE LEGACY AREA HAS DEVELOPED OVER, OVER SEVERAL DECADES INTO ONE OF NORTH TEXAS'S PREMIER EMPLOYMENT CENTERS AND MIXED USE DESTINATIONS.
THE PROJECT AREA IS LOCATED IN THE FAR NORTHEAST BOUNDARY OF THE CITY, AS SHOWN IN THE GRAPHIC AND IS APPROXIMATELY 4.6 SQUARE MILES OR 3,182 ACRES.
WITHIN THIS AREA, THERE IS APPROXIMATELY 45 MILLION SQUARE FEET OF COMMERCIAL SPACE, 96,000 WORKERS AND 10,000 RESIDENTS.
THE MAIN FOCUS OF THIS EVENING'S PRESENTATION IS THE FINDINGS FROM PHASE ONE OF THE LEGACY MASTER PLAN.
HOWEVER, I'LL FIRST PROVIDE A BRIEF OVERVIEW OF
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THE PLAN BACKGROUND FOR THIS PLANNING EFFORT.THE CITY'S VISION FOR THE LEGACY AREA DATES BACK TO THE 1981 COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, WHICH ENVISIONED THE AREA AS AN EMPLOYMENT HUB.
UM, ENVISION THIS PART OF PLANO AS A SECOND MAJOR REGIONAL EMPLOYMENT HUB ALONG SOUND ALONGSIDE DOWNTOWN DALLAS.
THE CURRENT COMPREHENSIVE PLAN PROVIDES THE POLICY FOUNDATION FOR THIS AREA THROUGH BOTH THE EMPLOYMENT CENTERS AND URBAN ACTIVITIES CENTERS, FUTURE LITIGIOUS CATEGORIES, AS WELL AS THE OTHER POLICIES SHOWN ON THE SCREEN.
THE LEGACY AREA MASTER PLAN IS INTENDED TO BUILD FROM THE EXISTING POLICY FRAMEWORK OF THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN FOR THE AREA, BUT PROVIDE A MORE DETAILED LOOK AT HOW THOSE BROAD POL POLICIES SHOULD APPLY ACROSS LEGACY.
IN 2024, THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT DEPARTMENT PARTNERED WITH FRIESA NICHOLS, UM, TO INTERVIEW PROPERTY OWNERS AND TENANTS IN THE LEGACY AND GRANITE PARK AREA.
THE PURPOSE WAS TO UNDERSTAND EXISTING STRENGTHS AND CHALLENGES, FUTURE NEEDS AND PERSPECTIVES ON REDEVELOPMENT AND INFILL.
THERE WERE 18 INTERVIEWS CONDUCTED AND THE RESPONSES WERE GENERALLY RELATED TO THE THREE TOPICS AT TOWARDS THE BOTTOM OF THE SCREEN, WHICH INCLUDED BUSINESS ENVIRONMENT, PHYSICAL ENVIRONMENT, AND REGULATORY ENVIRONMENT FOR BUSINESS ENVIRONMENT.
RESPONDENTS NOTED FACTORS CHANGING THE OFFICE MARKET INCLUDING AGING OFFICE INVENTORY AND MARKET DEMAND.
REGIONAL COMPETITION WAS INCREASING FROM OTHER EMPLOYMENT CENTERS IN THE REGION, INCLUDING UPTOWN DALLAS, LAS CLEANS AND IRVING AND THE STAR IN FRISCO.
THEY ALSO IDENTIFIED BUSINESS NEEDS SUCH AS HOTELS, CONFERENCE AND EVENT SPACES FOR PHYSICAL ENVIRONMENT.
RESPONDENTS IDENTIFIED THE NEED FOR MORE PROGRAMMED ACTIVITIES AND COMMUNITY OPEN SPACES, THE NEED FOR BETTER INTERNAL CONNECTIONS AND WALKABILITY AND CONCERNS REGARDING CONGESTION AND INTER INTERSECTION DELAYS WITHIN THE AREA FOR REGULATORY ENVIRONMENT, RESPONDENTS RAISED ISSUES RELATED TO CONNECTIONS AND CIRCULATION WITHIN THE AREA, A DESIRE FOR BETTER AND MORE FLEXIBLE ECONOMIC INCENTIVES AND THE NEED FOR REGULATIONS THAT ARE ADAPTABLE TO BETTER ACCOMMODATE REINVESTMENT AND REDEVELOPMENT IN THE AREA.
THE RESULTS OF THE SENTIMENT SURVEY REINFORCED THE NEED FOR A DISTRICT SPECIFIC PLANNING EFFORT TO ADDRESS THE CHALLENGES FACING PROPERTY OWNERS AND TENANTS WITHIN LEGACY AND GRANITE PARK.
IN 2020, IN JANUARY OF 2026, COUNCIL DIRECTED AND APPROVED FUNDING TO ADDRESS THE CHALLENGES FACING LEGACY THROUGH THE DEVELOPMENT OF A LEGACY AREA MASTER PLAN.
THE DEVELOPMENT OF THE PLAN IS A COLLABORATIVE EFFORT BETWEEN THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT DEPARTMENT AND THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT AND IS AIMED AT ADDRESSING UM, CAN CHALLENGES FACING THE LEGACY AREA.
THOSE CHALLENGES INC INCLUDE CHANGING MARKET CONDITIONS, REDEVELOPMENT OPPORTUNITIES, EVOLVING REGULATORY ENVIRONMENT, WHICH INCLUDES, UM, RECENT STATE LEGISLATION ALLOWING MULTIFAMILY AND MIXED USE DEVELOPMENT BY RIGHT AND COMMERCIALLY ZONED AREAS, WHICH REPRESENTS A NOTABLE SHIFT FROM THE CITY'S LONGSTANDING POLICY DIRECTION FOR LEGACY, WHICH HAS HISTORICALLY EMPHASIZED PRESERVING LAND FOR EMPLOYMENT GENERATING USES AS WELL AS INFRASTRUCTURE CAPACITY.
BASED ON THESE CONDITIONS AND FACTORS, THERE IS A NEED FOR A FOCUSED PLANNING EFFORT TO HELP NAVIGATE THESE CHALLENGES AND PROVIDE GUIDANCE ON LEGACY'S FUTURE, UH, DEVELOPMENT.
PHASE ONE OF THE LEGACY MASTER PLAN WAS INITIATED WITH THE EXISTING CONDITIONS ANALYSIS.
UM, THE EXISTING CON THE INTENT OF THE ANALYSIS WAS TO ESTABLISH A BASELINE UNDERSTANDING OF THE LEGACY AREA AND ANALYZE TOPICS SUCH AS POLICY AND REGULATORY FRAMEWORK, ECONOMIC AND MARKET CONDITIONS, DEMOGRAPHICS, AS WELL AS THE OTHER TOPICS SHOWN ON THE SCREEN.
BECAUSE THIS STUDY AREA COVERS APPROXIMATELY 4.4 SQUARE MILES AND INCLUDES DI DIFFERENT DEVELOPMENT PATTERNS AND CONDITIONS.
THE STUDY AREA WAS SUBDIVIDED BY COMMON FORM AND USE MIX INTO THE EIGHT SUB AREAS SHOWN ON THE MAP.
THE VISUAL KIND OF TO THE RIGHT OF THE SCREEN.
THE SUB AREAS APPROACH RECOGNIZES THAT THERE IS NOT A SINGLE UNIFORM DEVELOPMENT MIX AND TYPE ACROSS THE LEGACY PROJECT AREA AND ALLOWS US TO BETTER UNDERSTAND THE DIFFERENCES AMONG THE SUB AREAS AND CONSIDER DIFFERENT PLANNING APPROACHES THAT
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MAY BE APPROPRIATE IN DIFFERENT PARTS OF THE LEGACY STUDY AREA.BASED ON OUR ANALYSIS, THERE WERE FIVE MAJOR TAKEAWAYS OR FINDINGS, UM, THAT WERE UNCOVERED THROUGH THE EXISTING CONDITIONS.
ANALYSIS FIRST WAS THAT LEGACY IS A STRONG EMPLOYMENT BASE, BUT IT INVOLVING OFFICE MARKET.
THERE ARE APPROXIMATELY 96,000 JOBS IN THE LEGACY AREA AND OFFICE DEVELOPMENT REPRESENTS APPROXIMATELY 54% OF THE LAND USE MIX.
HOWEVER, PERFORMANCE VARIES SIGNIFICANTLY WITH OLDER OFFICE FORMATS EXPERIENCING HIGHER VACANCIES.
SECOND WAS THAT RETAILER PERFORMANCE.
RETAIL PERFORMANCE IS GENERALLY STRONG, BUT THERE ARE GAPS.
LEGACY WEST CONTINUES TO PERFORM STRONGLY WHILE SOME OLDER MIXED USE RETAIL AREAS HAVE HIGHER VACANCIES.
THE ANALYSIS ALSO FOUND THAT LEGACY IS A MORE LIMITED MIX OF ENTERTAINMENT AND EVERYDAY SERVICES COMPARED WITH REGIONAL COMPETITORS.
AND THOSE REGIONAL COMPETITORS THAT WE ANALYZED WERE UPTOWN DALLAS, LAS COLINAS AND IRVING AND THE STAR IN FRISCO.
THIRD WAS THAT HOUSING DIVERSITY IS LIMITED.
RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT IS CONCENTRATED PRIMARILY IN THE MIXED USE AREAS AND THE SOUTHEAST CORNER OF THE STUDY AREA.
THE SUPPLY WITHIN THE DISTRICT IS WEIGHTED TOWARD HIGHER END RENTAL PRODUCTS WITH FEWER ENTRY AND MID-PRICED RENTAL AND OWNERSHIP OPPORTUNITIES.
FOURTH IS THAT PUBLIC OPEN SPACE IS LIMITED RELATIVE TO THE SIZE OF THE LEGACY STUDY AREA.
MUCH OF THE ACCESSIBLE OPEN SPACE IS PRIVATELY OWNED AND MANAGED AND CONCENTRATED AROUND MIXED USE AREAS.
AND LASTLY, LEGACY IS EXCELLENT REGIONAL ACCESS, BUT MORE LIMITED INTERNAL CONNECTIVITY.
DNT AND STATE HIGHWAY 1 21 PROVIDE FOR UM, STRONG REGIONAL ACCESS.
BUT THE CAMPUS ORIENTED STREET PATTERN, LARGE BLOCKS, WIDE INTERSECTIONS AND SIGNIFICANT PEDESTRIAN NETWORK GAPS MAKE INTERNAL TRIPS MUCH MORE CHALLENGING.
THIS CONCLUDES THE KEY FINDINGS OF THE EXISTING CONDITIONS ANALYSIS AND PROVIDES THE TECHNICAL BASELINE FOR THE AREA.
THE SECOND MAJOR COMPONENT OF PHASE ONE WAS UNDERSTANDING HOW THE PEOPLE WHO LIVE, WORK, OWN PROPERTY, DEVELOP AND SPEND TIME AND LEGACY VIEW THE AREA.
THE STAKEHOLDER OUTREACH COMPLETED DURING THIS PHASE WAS BUILDING ON THE WORK THAT WAS COMPLETED IN 2024 AND TARGETED A VARIETY OF MORE SPECIFIC TOPICS TO UNDERSTAND NEEDS AND DESIRES FOR THE AREA AND DEVELOPMENT.
PHASE ONE ENGAGEMENT WAS CONDUCTED FROM MAY THROUGH JULY OF THIS YEAR AND WAS INTENDED TO BROADEN OUTREACH AND BETTER UNDERSTAND COMMUNITY AND STAKEHOLDER PRIORITIES.
THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT ENGAGED WITH FRAS AND NICHOLS TO CONDUCT THIS ENGAGEMENT.
THE ENGAGEMENT PLAN INCLUDED MULTIPLE OPPORTUNITIES FOR PARTICIPATION TO ENSURE INPUT WAS RECEIVED FROM A BROAD VARIETY OF COMMUNITY MEMBERS AND STAKEHOLDERS.
THE COMMUNITY SURVEY RECEIVED 230 RESPONSES.
THERE WERE 11 STAKEHOLDER INTERVIEWS CONDUCTED.
14 RESPONSES RECEIVED FROM THE STAKEHOLDER SURVEY AND THERE WERE ALSO TWO LEGACY HALL IN-PERSON EVENTS.
UM, AND APPROXIMATELY 50 INDIVIDUALS WERE ENGAGED BEFORE GETTING INTO THE FEEDBACK TOPICS.
IT'S HELPFUL TO DISTINGUISH WHERE COMMUNITY AND STAKEHOLDER FEEDBACK DIFFERED.
COMMUNITY FEEDBACK TENDED TO FOCUS MORE ON THE DAY-TO-DAY EXPERIENCE OF LEGACY LIVING THERE, WORKING THERE, NAVIGATING THE AREA AND SPENDING TIME THERE.
THE STRONGEST COMMUNITY PRIORITIES INCLUDED PARKS AND GREEN SPACE GATHERING PLACES, RETAIL AND DINING OPTIONS, WALKABILITY AND TRANSPORTATION CONNECTIONS.
VIEWS ON FUTURE DEVELOPMENT WERE MORE VARIED AND FOCUSED ON CONTEXT SENSITIVE DEVELOPMENT.
STAKEHOLDER FEEDBACK PLACED GREATER EMPHASIS ON LONG-TERM ECONOMIC COMPETITIVENESS FOR THE LEGACY AREA.
THEY CONSISTENTLY IDENTIFIED LEGACIES, CORPORATE PRESENCE, ACCESSIBILITIES AMENITIES, AND OVERALL QUALITY AS STRENGTHS FOR THE AREA.
BUT THERE WERE ALSO CONCERNS ABOUT AGING OFFICE PROPERTIES, CHANGING OFFICE DEMAND AND COMPETITION FROM NEWER EMPLOYMENT CENTERS.
STAKEHOLDERS GENERALLY SUPPORTED MAINTAINING A MIXED USE ENVIRONMENT AS THEY WERE VIEWED AS AN ASSET TO THE WORKFORCE.
ADDITIONALLY, STAKEHOLDERS EXPRESSED A NEED FOR EMPLOYER SUPPORTING USES SUCH AS HOTEL CONFERENCE CENTER OR EVENT SPACE.
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SO WHILE THE FEEDBACK OF THE TWO GROUPS DID DIFFER, THERE WAS SIGNIFICANT OVERLAP IN THE UNDERLYING FEEDBACK.STAFF REVIEW THE ENGAGEMENT FINDINGS AND ORGANIZED WHAT WE HEARD INTO SIX KEY THEMES AS SHOWN ON THE SCREEN.
OKAY TO WORK THROUGH EACH OF THESE THEMES INDIVIDUALLY AND PROVIDE A LITTLE BIT OF AN OVERVIEW OF WHAT WE HEARD RELATED TO EACH.
THE FIRST FEEDBACK THEME IS EMPLOYMENT AND ECONOMIC VITALITY.
THE MAJOR TAKEAWAY IS THAT LEGACY'S FUNDAMENTAL ROLE AS A PREMIER EMPLOYMENT CENTER AND THE NEED TO MAINTAIN THE EMPLOYMENT BASE REMAINS HIGHLY VALUED.
AT THE SAME TIME, THERE IS RECOGNITION THAT MAINTAINING THAT POSITION WILL REQUIRE ADAPTATION AS OLDER AND UN UNDERPERFORMING OFFICE PROPERTIES FACE GREATER REINVESTMENT NEEDS AND WORKPLACE PREFERENCES EVOLVE.
LASTLY, EMPLOYERS CONSIDER THE SURROUNDING ENVIRONMENT, AMENITIES, ACCESSIBILITY, INFRASTRUCTURE, HOTELS, CONFERENCE FACILITIES, AND THE OVERALL EMPLOYEE EXPERIENCE AS PART OF THE BUSINESS ENVIRONMENT AND A NEED TO STRENGTHEN IT.
THIS SLIDE SHOWS THE MOST NEEDED LAND USES BASED ON BOTH GROUPS FEEDBACK.
SO WE HAVE COMMUNITY FEEDBACK AND STAKEHOLDER FEEDBACK AND I WANNA CALL OUT THAT THE STAKEHOLDER FEEDBACK IS SPECIFIC TO THE SURVEY RESULTS AND NOT THE INTERVIEWS THAT WERE CONDUCTED.
UM, AS YOU CAN SEE, COMMUNITY FEEDBACK WAS, YOU KNOW, SIGNIFICANTLY, UM, STRONG ABOUT PARKS AND GREEN SPACE GATHERING EVENT SPACE, WHICH WE'VE CALLED OUT.
AND THEN, UM, STAKEHOLDER FEEDBACK VARIED A LITTLE BIT THROUGHOUT.
THIS LEADS INTO OUR NEXT KEY THEME, WHICH IS LAND USE EVOLUTION AND STRATEGIC REINVESTMENT FEEDBACK FOCUSED ON TARGETING REINVESTMENT ON AGING, VACANT AND UNDERPERFORMING OFFICE AND COMMERCIAL PROPERTIES RATHER THAN THE LEGACY AREA AS A WHOLE.
ALTHOUGH A SMALL PERCENTAGE OF RESPONDENTS DESIRED NEW RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT VIEWS VARIED CONSIDERABLY.
UM, THEY VARIED ON THE AMOUNT AND LOCATION OF RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT.
PREFERRED AND MIXED USE DEVELOPMENT RESPONDENTS PRIORITIZE BALANCING, BALANCING THE EVOLUTION OF THE AREA WHILE MAINTAINING ITS ROLE AS A MAJOR EMPLOYMENT CENTER BECAUSE ADDITIONAL RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT WOULD REPRESENT ONE OF THE MORE SIGNIFICANT CHANGES FROM LEGACIES HISTORIC LAND USE DIRECTION OF MAINTAINING THE AREA.
AS AN EMPLOYMENT HUB, WE WANTED TO KIND OF PRESENT A MORE CLOSE LOOK AT THE HOUSING FEEDBACK OR RESIDENTIAL FEEDBACK WE RECEIVED, UM, RATHER THAN KIND OF GROUPING IT UNDER MIXED USE.
SO THIS, UM, SLIDE HERE SHOWCASES THE FEEDBACK, UM, THAT RESPONDENTS RESPONDED TO REGARDING THE MOST NEEDED HOUSING TYPE IN THE LEGACY AREA.
UM, AS YOU CAN SEE, IT HAS BOTH THE PERCENTAGES AND THE NUMBER OF RESPONSES.
UM, I JUST WANTED TO POINT OUT THAT THE STAKEHOLDER FEEDBACK HAS VERY FEW RESPONSES AND SO IT JUST KIND OF CAPTURES A VERY SMALL, UM, KIND OF NARROW WINDOW OF THAT, UH, FEEDBACK.
SO WE'VE BROKEN UP, UM, RESIDENTIAL FEEDBACK RELATED TO, UM, BOTH COMMUNITY FEEDBACK AND THEN I'LL GET INTO STAKEHOLDER FEEDBACK.
UM, BUT ONLY ABOUT 17% OF THE COMMUNITY SURVEY RESPONDENTS IDENTIFIED NEW HOUSING AS A NEEDED DEVELOPMENT TYPE AND WAS LESS COMMONLY REPORTED IN COMPARISON TO OTHER LAND USE GAPS SUCH AS OPEN SPACE AMONG THE RESPONDENTS INTERESTED IN HOUSING.
THERE WAS NO CONSENSUS ON THE APPROPRIATE FORM.
FEEDBACK RANGED FROM TOWN HOMES TO MULTIFAMILY WITH SOME INTEREST IN HOUSING INTEGRATED VERTICALLY WITH RETAIL AND OTHER USES.
AND LASTLY, EXISTING MIXED USE AREAS AND SURROUNDING AREAS AS WELL AS UNDERUTILIZED LAND AROUND EMPLOYMENT CAMPUSES OR THE SETTINGS PRIORITIZED FOR POTENTIAL HOUSING.
STAKEHOLDER FEEDBACK SIMILARLY REFLECTED A RANGE OF VIEWS AS IT RELATES TO RESIDENTIAL HOUSING OF THE STAKEHOLDERS WHO RESPONDED.
UM, WORKFORCE HOUSING WAS VIEWED AS A POTENTIAL OPPORTUNITY, PARTICULARLY HOUSING THAT COULD ALLOW MORE EMPLOYEES TO LIVE CLOSER TO THEIR WORKPLACE AND REDUCE COMMUTE DISTANCES.
THERE WAS ALSO INTEREST IN HOUSING AS PART OF MIXED USE CONTEXT WHERE RESIDENTIAL CAN CONTRIBUTE TO THE ACTIVITY OUTSIDE TRADITIONAL OFFICE HOURS AND POTENTIALLY SUPPORT REINVESTMENT IN AGING PROPERTIES.
BUT THERE WAS ALSO CONCERNS ABOUT MAINTAINING LEGACY'S IDENTITY AND
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THE TRAFFIC IMPACTS THAT HOUSING COULD HAVE.THE NEXT THE THIRD THEME IS AMENITIES, SERVICES AND ACTIVITY.
WE CONSISTENTLY HERD INTEREST IN A BROADER MIX OF EVERYDAY AMENITIES INCLUDING DINING, RETAIL, GROCERY, AND OTHER SERVICES THAT BENEFIT BOTH EMPLOYEES AND RESIDENTS.
WE ALSO HEARD A DESIRE FOR MORE ACTIVITY OUTSIDE OF TRADITIONAL OFFICE HOURS, ENTERTAINMENT EVENTS, GATHERING SPACES, AND EVENING AND WEEKEND ACTIVITY.
AND IMPORTANTLY, RESPONDENTS EMPHASIZED ACCESS.
AMENITIES ARE MOST USEFUL WHEN PEOPLE CAN CONVENIENTLY REACH THEM FROM EMPLOYMENT AREAS AND OTHER DESTINATIONS.
PARKS AND OPEN SPACE WERE AMONG THE CLEAREST FINDINGS FROM THE ENGAGEMENT.
THERE WAS A STRONG INTEREST IN MORE PARKS, TRAILS, USABLE GRAIN SPACE, PLAZAS AND GATHERING AREAS.
EXISTING GREENERY, MATURE TREES AND LANDSCAPING WERE ALSO HIGHLY VALUED.
AND RESPONDENTS WANTED TO RETAIN THE GREEN QUALITIES THAT ALREADY CONTRIBUTED TO THE LEGACY AREA'S.
CHARACTER AND EXP EXPAND TREE SHADED PEDESTRIAN WALKWAYS OR IN SPACES.
PARTICIPANTS ALSO HAD AN INTEREST IN TRAIL AND PEDESTRIAN CONNECTIONS BETWEEN OPEN SPACES AND DESTINATIONS.
THE FIFTH THEME IS TRANSPORTATION OPTIONS, CONNECTIVITY AND ACCESS CONGESTION PARKING AND ACCESS WERE REOCCURRING CONCERNS PARTICULARLY AROUND MAJOR EMPLOYMENT AREAS AND INTER INTERSECTIONS.
ANOTHER MA MAJOR ISSUE WAS INTERNAL CONNECTIVITY.
RESPONDENTS IDENTIFIED GAPS IN THE PEDESTRIAN AND BICYCLE NETWORK MAKE IT DIFFICULT TO TRAVEL BETWEEN EMPLOYMENT AREAS, RESIDENCES, AMENITIES, OPEN SPACES, AND OTHER NEARBY DESTINATIONS.
AND THERE WAS ALSO INTEREST IN MORE PRACTICAL TRANSPORTATION OPTIONS FOR FIRST AND LAST MILE CONNECTIONS AND SHORT INTERNAL TRIPS.
AND THE FINAL THEME FROM THE ENGAGEMENT FINDINGS IS THE DISTRICT'S IDENTITY AND CHARACTER PARTICIPANTS CONSISTENTLY VALUED LEGACY'S HIGH QUALITY DEVELOPMENT, LANDSCAPING SAFETY AND OVERALL APPEARANCE, AND EXPRESSED A DESIRE TO MAINTAIN LEGACY'S ESTABLISHED QUALITIES.
AT THE SAME TIME, THERE WAS INTEREST IN CREATING A MORE COHESIVE IDENTITY ACROSS THE BROADER LEGACY AREA WHILE RETAINING DIS DISTINCT QUALITIES OF INDIVIDUAL AREAS, PLACEMAKING, STREETSCAPE, LANDSCAPING GATEWAYS, BRANDING AND STRONGER, STRONGER PHYSICAL CONNECTIONS WERE ALL IDENTIFIED AS POTENTIAL WAYS TO REINFORCE SENSE OF PLACE.
TAKEN TOGETHER THE SIX THEMES PROVIDED US WITH GUIDANCE AS TO WHAT PEOPLE VALUE ABOUT LEGACY TODAY AND WHERE THEY SEE OPPORTUNITIES FOR THE AREA TO EVOLVE.
THE NEXT PHASE OF PHASE OF THE PLAN WILL MOVE FROM DEVELOPING AND UNDERSTANDING OF THE AREAS EXISTING CONDITIONS AND GATHERING INPUT TOWARD DEVELOPING PLAN DIRECTION.
THE FIRST STEP WILL BE TO ESTABLISH, UM, PLAN GOALS BASED ON THE EXISTING CONDITIONS ANALYSIS AND PHASE ONE ENGAGEMENT.
FROM THERE, STAFF WILL BEGIN EVALUATING POTENTIAL DEVELOPMENT SCENARIOS AND STRATEGIES FOR LEGACY AND ITS INDIVIDUAL SUB AREAS AND COORDINATE WITH SUPPORTING DEPARTMENTS TO EVALUATE IMPLEMENTATION STRATEGIES.
THOSE SCENARIOS WILL ALLOW US TO EXPLORE WHERE CHANGE MAY BE APPROPRIATE AND WHAT THE FUTURE MIX AND INTENSITY SCALE AND FORM OF DEVELOPMENT COULD LOOK LIKE IN DIFFERENT PARTS OF LEGACY.
PHASE TWO ENGAGEMENT WILL PROVIDE THE COMMUNITY AND STAKEHOLDERS AN OPPORTUNITY TO REVIEW THE DRAFT GOALS, POTENTIAL DEVELOPMENT SCENARIOS AND SUPPORTING STRATEGIES.
THAT FEEDBACK WILL THEN BE USED TO ESTABLISH A PREFERRED PLAN DIRECTION.
THAT CONCLUDES MY PRESENTATION.
STAFF RECOMMENDS THAT THE COMMISSION PROVIDE FEEDBACK REGARDING THE PHASE ONE ENGAGEMENT FINDINGS FOR THE LEGACY AREA MASTER PLAN.
I'M AVAILABLE FOR ANY QUESTIONS THAT THE COMMISSION MAY HAVE.
WE ALSO HAVE REPRESENTATIVES FROM THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT DEPARTMENT HERE AND ALSO CONNOR ROBERTS WITH THE FREESON NICHOLS TEAM.
BUT I ALSO WANTED TO OPEN UP THE FLOOR TO THE COMMISSION TO PROVIDE ANY GENERAL OBSERVATIONS THAT YOU MAY HAVE THAT WOULD HELP INFORM THE NEXT PHASE OF DEVELOPMENT FOR THE PLAN.
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THAT THE STAFF REPORT WAS A, I'M NOT GONNA CALL IT A LIGHT READ.THERE'S A LOT OF INFORMATION IN THERE, BUT UM, SO IT WAS A LOT OF, A LOT OF GREAT INFORMATION, SO THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR THAT.
UM, I I HAD ONE QUICK QUESTION THEN I'LL SEE IF THE OTHER COMMISSIONS HAVE ONE.
I I AM ALWAYS ASTOUNDED, UM, AT THE DISPARITY BETWEEN THE NUMBER OF JOBS AND LEGACY AND THE NUMBER OF RESIDENCES IN LEGACY, UM, AT 66,000 VERSUS 10,000.
WAS THAT CORRECT OUTTA THE DATA? UM, I MAY BE A LITTLE OFF ON THAT, BUT UM, AND IS THAT, IS THE 10,000 POPULATION, IS THAT CURRENT POPULATION OR IS THAT NUMBER OF UNITS AND HOW MUCH, WHAT THE POPULATION COULD BE? OR IS THAT THE RESIDENTS THAT WE COUNTED FROM THE CENSUS OR WHERE DID THAT NUMBER COME FROM? CAN YOU HOLD ME ON THAT ONE? THE POPULATION COUNT COMES FROM THE CENSUS.
UM, IT'S FROM I BELIEVE THE 2023 UH, ON THE MAP DATA THAT'S, UH, PUBLISHED BY THE CENSUS BUREAU.
AND THEN WHEN, WHERE DID THE EMPLOYMENT DATA COME FROM? THE SAME SOURCE.
SO WE'RE CONSISTENT WITH WHERE THE DATA CAME FROM.
UM, SO ANYTHING THAT'S BEEN BUILT IN THE LAST THREE OR FOUR YEARS MAY NOT BE REFLECTED IN THAT, WHICH IS PROBABLY NOT.
THAT WAS, I WAS, I KNOW THOSE NUMBERS HAVEN'T PROBABLY CHANGED DRAMATICALLY IN THREE OR FOUR YEARS, BUT HOPEFULLY THEY WILL SOON
UH, COMMISSION QUESTIONS OF STAFF OR THE CONSULTANTS.
COMMISSIONER LINGENFELTER, I JUST FIRST WANNA COMMEND YOU FOR AND ALL STAFF THAT'S DONE A REALLY GOOD JOB WITH THIS.
UM, I LIKE THE VENN DIAGRAM APPROACH KIND OF THAT YOU GUYS DID WITH THE COMMUNITY VERSUS STAKEHOLDERS AND EVERYTHING AND SEE HOW THEY OVERLAP AND, AND EVERYTHING AND PRIORITIZE IN, IN THAT FORM.
UH, THAT WAS A GREAT APPROACH.
UM, I TO CONTINUE THAT APPROACH.
I SEE, UM, KIND OF WHAT, UH, OUR CHAIRMAN WAS A CHAIRMAN OF OUTLOOK WAS, WAS UH, KIND OF ALLUDING TO, UM, A BUSINESS, A BUSINESS AREA LIKE LEGACY LIKE THIS THAT DOESN'T DIE AT NIGHT, YOU KNOW, THAT IT'S, THAT HAS A, HAS A POPULATION THAT LIVES AS WELL BEYOND THAT.
AND IT LOOKED LIKE THAT WAS SOMETHING THAT THE COMMUNITY AND EVEN STAKEHOLDERS WERE LOOKING FOR WITH THE AMENITIES AND HAVING ACTIVITIES AND OTHER, OTHER THINGS THAT, THAT, UH, KEY PEOPLE, PEOPLE IN THAT AREA.
AND, UM, IT DIDN'T BECOME A COAST TALENT NIGHT KIND OF THING.
SO I, I DO LIKE THAT APPROACH AND I THINK THIS IS, WE'RE IN A, WE'RE GOING IN GOOD DIRECTION HERE, SO THANK YOU.
UM, IN ONE OF THE SLIDES YOU SAID, UH, THERE'S A BULLET POINT THAT SAID BALANCED AND CONTEXT SENSITIVE DEVELOPMENT.
CAN YOU EXPAND? YEAH, SO I THINK WE RECOGNIZE THAT THE SUB AREAS, THE EXISTING FORM AND DEVELOPMENT KIND OF VARIES.
SO WHEN YOU THINK ABOUT WHAT KIND OF DEVELOPMENT MAY BE APPROPRIATE IN ONE AREA AND MAY NOT BE APPROPRIATE IN ANOTHER, FOR EXAMPLE, MIXED USE DEVELOPMENT, WE ALREADY HAVE OUR MIXED USE, YOU KNOW, CORE ALONG OUR TOLLWAY CORE IS KIND OF THE NAME OF THE SUB AREA.
UM, AND SO WHEN YOU THINK ABOUT, YOU KNOW, THE, FOR EXAMPLE, SOUTHERN PORTION OR THE BOUNDARY OF THE LEGACY AREA, YOU KNOW THAT MIXED USE DEVELOPMENT MAY NOT BE THE MOST APPROPRIATE THERE.
SO, SO THINKING ABOUT THE CONTEXT THAT EXISTS TODAY GOTCHA.
AND MAYBE WHAT'S APPROPRIATE TO KIND OF INTRODUCE WITHIN THOSE AREAS.
THE SECOND QUESTION, UM, IN BOTH THE COMMUNITY AND THE STAKEHOLDERS GATHERING AND EVENT SPACE WAS ACTUALLY ALMOST SIMILAR PERCENTAGES.
IF MY MEMORY SERVES ME RIGHT, I WOULD HAZARD TO GUESS THAT MEANS SOMETHING DIFFERENT TO BOTH.
DID YOU GET A SENSE OF WHAT KATHERINE AND EVENT SPACE MEANT TO THE COMMUNITY VERSUS WHAT IT MEANT TO CORPORATE ESSENTIALLY? YEAH, I THINK THERE WERE SOME MORE SPECIFIC COMMENTS THAT UM, SPOKE TO THAT I THINK THE COMMUNITY WAS LOOKING FOR GATHERING SPACES FOR LIKE LIVE ENTERTAINMENT FOR EXAMPLE.
UM, AND THAT MIGHT FIT INTO THE CONTEXT OF WHAT THE COMMUNITY WAS LOOKING FOR.
STAKEHOLDERS WERE KIND OF MORE VOCAL ABOUT WANTING, UM, CONVENTION SPACE, YES, CONVENTION SPACE OR MEETING SPACES OR EVENT SPACES, LIKE KIND OF FLEXIBLE EVENT SPACE.
UM, ONE OTHER QUESTION, UH, WELL TWO, I KNOW IT WAS ONE PERSON, BUT ONE OF THE STAKEHOLDERS INDICATED INDEPENDENT LIVING AS A, UH, PRIORITY.
DID THEY GIVE ANY MORE INFORMATION AS TO THAT STRUCK ME AS INTERESTING
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MISS SEE HERE OR SO MAY I HAVE SOMETHING TO SPEAK TO THE, THERE WE GO.EVERYBODY WAS LOOKING AT EACH OTHER, SO IF YOU WANNA INTRODUCE YOURSELF PLEASE.
CHAIRMAN, THANK YOU FOR HAVING ME TONIGHT.
MY NAME'S CONNOR ROBERTS WITH FREEZE AND NICHOLS.
UH, THANK YOU FOR THE QUESTION, COMMISSIONER.
SO THOSE STAKEHOLDER SURVEY RESPONSES SORT OF HAD THE SAME CONTEXT, IF YOU WILL, BEING A SURVEY THAT THE COMMUNITY WAS GIVEN THE OPPORTUNITY.
SO ON THE ADDITIONAL SIDE OF THE STAKEHOLDER, WE HAD THE INTERVIEWS.
UM, IN TERMS OF ASSISTED LIVING SPECIFICALLY COMING UP, I DON'T RECALL ANY SPECIFIC COMMENTS IN THE INTERVIEW PORTION.
UM, AND SO REALLY THE CONTEXT THAT WE WOULD HAVE WOULD JUST BE COMPARED TO THE OTHER OPTIONS IN THE SURVEY.
UM, LASTLY, AND THIS IS MORE OF A QUESTION.
SO WORKFORCE HOUSING, ONE OF THE, IF I LOOK AT DOWNTOWN CHICAGO FOR INSTANCE, IS THE ONE THAT COMES MY MY HEAD A DECENT AMOUNT OF WORKFORCE HOUSING IS ALMOST SHORT TERM IN NATURE IN TERMS OF WHEN YOU RELOCATE PEOPLE TO COME WORK FOR THE JOB, THERE'S A THREE MONTH STAY WHILE THEY TRY AND FIGURE OUT HOW'S, YOU KNOW, WHERE THEY'RE GOING TO LIVE IN THE CITY.
UM, DO WE HAVE A SENSE OF HOW MUCH OF OUR CURRENT HOUSING UNITS ARE ESSENTIALLY CORPORATE OWNED? NO.
I DON'T THINK WE HAVE DATA ON THAT.
THANK YOU COMMISSIONER BENDER.
UM, CAN I HAVE A FEW QUESTIONS AND I THINK A FEW COMMENTS JUST, UM, SO YOU UNDERSTAND MY CONTEXT.
I LIVED IN LEGACY WEST FOR SIX AND A HALF YEARS, SO THAT WAS THE FIRST SIGN OF CONTRACT IN THE VILLAS, WHICH IS A THREE STORY SINGLE FAMILY HOMES THAT ARE RIGHT ACROSS THE STREET FROM, SO I HAVE A, UH, FROM LEGACY WEST.
SO I HAVE A REALLY GOOD FEEL FOR, THERE'S NO DRY POINTER, RIGHT? SO I HAVE A FEEL FOR WHAT'S THERE, WHAT'S NOT THERE, THAT, THAT SORT OF THING.
BUT I THINK IN THE LARGER CONTEXT, UH, WHEN WE LOOK AT LEGACY AND WE LOOK AT KIND OF PHASE TWO OR 2.0 AS WE MOVE FORWARD, I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT THAT WE DON'T LOOK AT THIS IN A VACUUM.
SO WHEN YOU THINK ABOUT WHAT'S HAPPENING, THE STAR WAS MENTIONED, BUT FRISCO STATION WAS NOT MENTIONED.
AND WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE PLAZA AND YOU LOOK AT THE REDEVELOPMENT OF WILLOW BEND AND ALL THE OTHER DEVELOPMENT THAT'S GOING TO OCCUR, AND I SEE MICHAEL SITTING AT THE TOP BACK HERE AND THE ADDITIONAL AWARD CHEFS THAT'S GOING TO BE NEEDED TO RETAIN THE CORPORATE CLIENTS THAT WE HAVE AND CONTINUE TO ATTRACT CLIENTS.
I THINK WE NEED TO LOOK, LOOK AT THIS IN A BROADER CONTEXT.
AND WHEN YOU LOOK AT DEVELOPMENTS LIKE THE FIELDS THAT ARE UP THE TOLLWAY AND SOME OF THESE OTHER THINGS, PGA, I THINK WE WOULD BE REMISS IF WE DID NOT INCLUDE THAT IN THIS ANALYSIS.
I THINK THAT WOULD BE A BLIND SPOT THAT WE WOULD LOOK BACK ON AND SAY, WHAT WERE WE THINKING? SO I THINK AS WE MOVE FORWARD, FROM MY PERSPECTIVE, I THINK WE NEED TO HAVE THAT VIEW.
'CAUSE I THINK, UM, YOU KNOW, WHAT WE HAVE TODAY, WE'RE VERY HIGHLY LEVERAGED WITH A LOT OF CORPORATE CLIENTS, RIGHT? WITH LARGE EMPLOYERS LIKE BANK OF AMERICA.
EVERYBODY TALKS ABOUT THE OBVIOUS ONES, BUT THEY HAVE ABOUT 7,000 PLUS EMPLOYEES RIGHT NOW IN CORPORATE DRIVE, RIGHT? SO THERE ARE A LOT OF EMPLOYERS THERE.
AND SO, UH, I KNOW THAT THE WORK THAT THE EDC TEAM DOES IS INTENSE.
AND I THINK THAT AS WE MOVE FORWARD, YOU KNOW, WE NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE INCORPORATING ALL THESE DIFFERENT ELEMENTS IN A COMPETITIVE, UH, NATURE OF WHAT OCCURS, UH, ON A DAILY BASIS OF KEEPING THOSE DEALS.
YOU KNOW, WE SEE THE DEALS WE GET, WHAT WE DON'T HEAR ABOUT IN PLAN ARE THE DEALS WE DON'T GET RIGHT.
AND THERE ARE A LOT OF DEALS THAT WE DON'T, MICHAEL IS, IS UP THERE AND THAT'S NOT A, A HIT, THAT'S JUST REALITY, RIGHT? WE TALK ABOUT THE WINS, BUT THERE ARE A LOT OF WINS THAT HAPPEN AROUND US.
SO I THINK WE CAN, WE CAN CONTINUE TO KEEP THIS ECONOMIC ENGINE RUNNING, BUT I THINK WE NEED TO HAVE A LARGER CONTEXT THAN JUST LOOKING AT LEGACY.
THAT'S, THOSE ARE MY COMMENTS.
THIS WAS A GREAT PRESENTATION AS ALWAYS.
THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR ALL THE STAFF MEMBERS.
AND, UH, I, AS I CAN SEE THAT YOU'RE LOOKING FOR THE COMMISSION TO PROVIDE FEEDBACK AND OBSERVATIONS, WHAT I CAN PROVIDE IS I REALIZE THERE ARE TWO THINGS THAT I, I THINK FROM MY EXPERIENCE WITH LEGACY WEST AND, AND WITH THE TRAVELING THERE OR, YOU KNOW, UH, WORKING THERE, SOMETIMES GOING TO MEETINGS OVER THERE IN THE, IN THE, UM, IN THE GENERAL AREA, I REALIZED TWO THINGS.
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IS ALWAYS BAD AND I, I NOTICED THAT TRANSPORTATION IS ONE OF THE ITEMS THAT ON YOUR REPORT, UM, BUT I DIDN'T SEE ANY KIND OF A SEPARATED KIND OF ON YOUR KIND OF BAR REPORT THAT THE GRAPHS DOESN'T HAVE A SEPARATE ITEM FOR TRANSPORTATION.SO I WONDER IF THAT'S SOME ITEM THAT'S SOME KIND OF, UM, AREA THAT YOU MAY DEVELOP INTO THE NEXT, IN THE NEXT PHASE THAT YOU WILL PROVIDE MORE TRANSPORTATION OPTIONS.
MAYBE, UH, MORE BUS BUSES BROWSE OR MAYBE MORE RIDE SHARE OPPORTUNITIES.
UH, MAYBE, UM, UH, I SAY BIKE OPPORTUNITIES FOR PEOPLE TO, OR, UM, TO GET TO FROM POINT TO POINT.
UM, THERE ARE LOTS, LOTS OF, UM, KIND OF A MID TO HIGH DENSITY, UM, RESIDENTIAL AREAS.
UM, THEY'RE NOT IMMEDIATELY CONNECTED TO THE SHOPPING AREAS AND, UH, THINKING ABOUT HOW THOSE PEOPLE GET TO THE SHOPPING AREAS WITHOUT DRIVING, THAT WILL REDUCE THE TRAFFIC, THAT WILL REDUCE THE PARKING.
SOMETIMES YOU DRIVE AROUND THOSE PARKING GARAGES, LIKE ALL THE WAY TO THE TOP, YOU CAN'T FIND PARKING.
THAT'S A PROBLEM, RIGHT? WITH LEGACY WEST.
UM, PARKING AND TRANSPORTATION AS, UM, IN GENERAL.
AND THE SECOND THING IS I DO THINK THAT, UM, PROBABLY WE NEED TO LOOK INTO MORE HOUSING OPPORTUNITIES OVER THERE.
I UNDERSTAND THAT THE STAKEHOLDERS AND THE COMMUNITY HAVE A SLIGHTLY DIFFERENT VIEWS ON WHAT KIND OF HOUSING THAT THEY WANT.
UM, BUT I WOULD SAY LOOKING AT THAT AREA, WE'RE LOOKING, I THINK IN THE FUTURE WE ARE LOOKING, UM, TO HAVE, UH, MORE AND MORE YOUNG ADULTS OR, UM, YOUNG FAMILIES TO BE THERE.
SO I WOULD SAY PROBABLY LOOK AT MORE OPTIONS OR SOLUTIONS TO SMALLER SIZE FAMILIES, UM, HOUSING OPPORTUNITIES.
UM, I THINK COMMISSIONER BEND MAKES A GREAT POINT AS, YES, WE NEED TO COME UP WITH A PLAN FOR LEGACY.
UM, BUT LOOKING AT PLANO AS A WHOLE, AND IF I'M NOT MISTAKEN, BEING ABLE TO OFFER A SUITE OF EMPLOYMENT CENTER VARIETY, UM, THAT CAN APPEAL TO DIFFERENT TYPES OF CORPORATE CLIENTELE, RIGHT? YEAH.
THE FOLKS WHO WOULD FEEL BETTER IN THE COLIN CREEK, WILLOW, WILLOW BLEND AND BEN KIND OF SET IN AND VERSUS THE MORE TRADITIONAL DOWNTOWN FEEL THAT LEGACY, UM, UM, WOULD PROVIDE, UM, THAT I THINK AS YOU'RE COMING UP WITH THAT PLAN IS ALMOST LIKE A PLANO EMPLOYMENT MASTER PLAN, FOR LACK OF A BETTER WORD.
UM, I DON'T KNOW IF IT'LL BE BENEFICIAL.
YOU HAD THE, I THINK IT WAS SIX DIFFERENT AREAS TO KIND OF GO THROUGH THOSE SIX ONE BY ONE AND GIVE FEEDBACK ON THE IDENTIFIED SIX.
WOULD THAT BE BENEFICIAL TO YOU ALL VERSUS TRYING TO PIECEMEAL A HODGEPODGE OF FEEDBACK THAT DON'T QUITE WEAVE A THEME? THAT'S MORE OF A QUESTION TO THE COMMISSION.
LET'S HOLD ON THAT JUST A SECOND.
I THINK WE LET SEE IF WE HAVE OTHER COMMENTS FIRST.
UM, AGAIN, MY COMPLIMENTS TO THE STAFF IN FREEZE AND NICHOLS FOR, UM, EXCELLENT WORK IN, UM, SURVEYING THE INTERESTED PARTIES AND COMING UP WITH THEIR VIEW ON THINGS WHICH, UH, WOULD BE AN IMPORTANT CONSIDERATION IN DEVELOPING A PLAN.
UM, IT STRIKES ME THAT PRESERVING THE ESSENTIAL CHARACTER OF THE LEGACY AREA AS A MAJOR EMPLOYMENT CENTER HAS BEEN AND MUST REMAIN THE ULTIMATE GOAL OF ANY PLAN THAT IS CREATED.
THE ADDITIONAL ITEMS OF WHICH THE, THE SURVEY RESPONDENTS SPOKE FAVORABLY AND ASKED FOR PARKS AND GREEN SPACES, COMMUNITY GATHERING, EVENT SPACES, DINING, ENTERTAINMENT, RETAIL, RESIDENTIAL AND SO FORTH ARE ALL IMPORTANT.
BUT THEY SHOULD SERVE THE ULTIMATE GOAL OF MAINTAINING THE AREA AS A MAJOR EMPLOYMENT CENTER.
AND I THINK THAT MEANS THAT, FOR EXAMPLE, RESIDENTIAL CONSTRUCTION SHOULD BE PROPORTIONATE TO THE PRIMARILY, UM, EMPLOYMENT, CHARACTER, EMPLOYMENT CENTER CHARACTER OF THE AREA.
UH, IT HAS BEEN SUGGESTED THAT ALL OF THESE DIFFERENT
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DESIRED, UM, ATTRIBUTES, THINGS COULD BE, UH, PUT TOGETHER IN THE FORM OF, UH, MIXED USE DEVELOPMENT.UM, I THINK MIXED USE DEVELOPMENTS ARE FINE AND DANDY.
I MEAN, I'M TOTALLY IN FAVOR OF THEM, BUT I THINK THERE'S SOME PRACTICAL CONSIDERATIONS HERE.
ONE OF THEM IS THE SIZE OF THE AREA.
UH, IF YOU START, IF YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT WALKABILITY, THAT'S AN AWFULLY BIG AREA TO ASK PEOPLE TO WALK.
I MEAN, 4.9 SQUARE MILES, IF IT WERE A PERFECT SQUARE, YOU WOULD HAVE OVER TWO MILES ON EACH SIDE.
NOBODY'S GONNA WALK TWO MILES TO THE GROCERY STORE.
UM, SO IF YOU CONSIDER THE ENTIRE AREA AS SORT OF ONE BIG AMORPHOUS MIXED USE DEVELOPMENT, I THINK THE EMPHASIS WOULD BE MORE ON IMPROVING TRANSIT AND CONNECTABILITY BY MEANS OTHER THAN WALKING, FOR EXAMPLE, THROUGH INTERNAL TRANSPORTATION, UH, DEVICES, CIRCULATING BUS, BUS OR VAN ROUTES.
UM, YOU CAN CERTAINLY PUT IN PARKS AND GREEN SPACES WITH TRAILS THAT WOULD BE CONDUCIVE TO USES BY, TO BE USED BY BICYCLES.
AND THOSE ELECTRIFIED SCOOTERS THAT ARE EVERYWHERE IN THE, THAT ARE USUALLY FOUND LYING ON THEIR SIDES ON SIDEWALKS DOWNTOWN.
BUT, UH, UM, BUT I MEAN MEANS OTHER, THE CONNECTABILITY CAN BE SERVED BY MEANS OTHER THAN WALKING.
AND IF YOUR GOAL IS A 4.9 SQUARE MILE MIXED USE DEVELOPMENT, I THINK YOU'RE GONNA HAVE TO DEVELOP OTHER MEANS OF CONNECTIVITY.
AN OP AN ALTERNATIVE TO THAT WOULD BE, INSTEAD OF CONSIDERING THE ENTIRE AREA AS ONE MIXED USE DEVELOPMENT, CONSIDER THE AREA AS PRIMARILY AS I SAID BEFORE, A MAJOR EMPLOYMENT CENTER WITH ONE OR TWO SUB AREAS DEVOTED TO PUTTING IN SMALLER SELF-CONTAINED MIXED USE DEVELOPMENTS THAT COULD BE WALKABLE WITH CONNECTIVITY TO THE EMPLOYMENT CENTER PORTIONS OF THE AREA.
UM, I'M SURE THOSE ARE NOT THE ONLY WAYS THAT THIS COULD BE TREATED, BUT, UH, THOSE ARE A COUPLE OF SUGGESTIONS AND, AND THERE MAY BE OTHERS, BUT AGAIN, I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT THAT ALL OF THE OTHER AMENITIES THAT HAVE BEEN ASKED FOR THE PARKS, THE COMMUNITY GATHERING AND EVENT SPACES, DINING, RETAIL AND SO FORTH, BE ARRANGED IN SUCH A WAY AS TO SERVE THE ULTIMATE CHARACTER OF THE PROPERTY AS A MAJOR EMPLOYMENT CENTER.
UM, COMMISSIONER BROSKI, THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR ALL YOUR HARD WORK ON ALL OF THIS.
UH, SO, UH, I'VE GOT A COUPLE QUESTIONS.
UH, CAN YOU, SO LET ME ASK REZA NICHOLS FIRST, UH, CAN YOU GIVE ME A BROADER SCOPE OF THE RESPONDENTS WHEN I LOOK AT SOME OF THESE NUMBERS AND I LOOK AT SOME OF THE PERCENTAGES MM-HMM
BUT I SEE, UH, I THINK LIKE ON PAGE 56 OR SOMETHING WHERE IT WAS TALKING ABOUT HOUSING, THERE WERE LIKE EIGHT OPTION OR EIGHT PIECES OF INPUT THERE.
AND SO IT MAKES THE PERCENTAGES REALLY SEEM KIND OF SKEWED.
YEAH, THANK YOU MORE, I THINK.
I I CAN SPEAK TO THAT A LITTLE BIT.
SO WELL, YEAH, THE ONE, UH, THE STAKEHOLDER FEEDBACK, RIGHT? SO, SO THE, THE APPROACH IN THIS PHASE ONE ENGAGEMENT IS, IS REALLY THREE PRONGS.
SO IT WAS OUR COMMUNITY FEEDBACK.
THAT'S WHAT WE SORT OF BLASTED OUT TO A WIDE RANGE OF FOLKS AND WE, WE CAN SLICE AND DICE THAT DATA BASED OFF OF FOLKS THAT LIVE AND WORK IN LEGACY OR JUST WORK IN LEGACY OR DON'T LIVE OR WORK IN, YOU KNOW, WE CAN SLICE AND DICE THAT SEVERAL DIFFERENT WAYS ON THE STAKEHOLDER FEEDBACK.
WE, WE HAVE THE SURVEY, BUT WE ALSO HAVE THE INTERVIEWS THEMSELVES.
SO I WANT YOU TO KIND OF THINK OF THE STAKEHOLDER APPROACH AS THAT JOINT EFFORT BETWEEN, HEY, WE'D LIKE TO TALK TO YOU ONE-ON-ONE.
AND WE DID, WE HOSTED SEVERAL ONLINE, UM, SORT OF SOMEWHAT ANONYMOUS, YOU KNOW, DISCREET MEETINGS WITH THEM SO THAT THEY COULD SPEAK CANDIDLY WITH THE CONSULTANT TEAM.
WE ALSO WOULD THEN SORT OF PEDAL THE SURVEY TO THEM AND SAY, HEY, IF YOU DON'T MIND, COULD YOU PLEASE ALSO COMPLETE THE SURVEY? COULD YOU POTENTIALLY DISTRIBUTE IT TO OTHER MEMBERS OF YOUR ORGANIZATION? UM, SO, SO THINK OF THAT AS IN TANDEM WITH THE STAKEHOLDER INTERVIEWS AND THAT'S WHY YOU'RE SEEING SOME OF THAT RESPONDENT RATE BEING A LITTLE BIT OVER.
SO WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE, THE STAKEHOLDER FEEDBACK MM-HMM
AND IT SAYS 67% WANT THE MID-RISE MULTIFAMILY, WELL THAT'S TWO OUT OF RIGHT SIX.
AND THAT'S WHY WE, WE ENDED UP OPTING TO PROVIDE THE ACTUAL TOTAL COUNT.
WE'D HAVE THAT CONVERSATION ACTUALLY INTERNALLY WITH STAFF THAT WE INITIALLY, IF YOU JUST PRESENT THAT AS A 67% NUMBER, IT MIGHT BE MISUNDERSTOOD DEMEANOR OF A LARGE RESPONDENT BASE.
SO THAT WAS THE INTENT OF PROVIDING THE ACTUAL RESPONDENT ON THESE, UH, SEEKING FEEDBACK FOR THESE, WERE THEY INDIVIDUALLY
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ASKED OR WERE THESE OPTIONS FOR THEM TO SELECT? THESE WERE, THESE WERE OPTIONS.SO, SO THINK OF THIS AS A, SO COULD THEY HAVE SELECTED MORE THAN ONE OPTION? I'M NOT CERTAIN IF THEY, IF I WANTED MIDRISE AND I WANTED ATTACHED SINGLE FAMILY, IF I REMEMBER CORRECTLY, I, I DON'T BELIEVE WE STRUCTURED THE QUESTION TO GIVE MULTIPLE RANKING TYPE.
I'D HAVE TO GO BACK AND TAKE A LOOK AT THAT COMMISSIONER.
SO BY MY SECOND QUESTION WAS, UH, I, I REALLY APPRECIATE THE EFFORT OF THE GATHERING COMMUNITY FEEDBACK.
I NOTICED ONLY LOOKING AT YOUR PERCENTAGES, ABOUT 39% OF THE TOTAL COMMUNITY FEEDBACK WERE ACTUALLY PEOPLE IN THAT AREA.
IS THAT ABOUT, IS THAT ABOUT WHAT YOU GOT? THAT THAT SOUNDS IT WAS VERY EARLY ON IN THE, IN, IN THE REPORT.
I'M NOT SURE IF WE CAN GO BACK.
SO IS THAT, IS THAT STA STATISTICALLY SIGNIFICANT ENOUGH FOR US TO MAKE DECISIONS ON THAT? IT'S A GOOD QUESTION.
AND SO I, I WANT TO, UH, I WANT TO, THAT BRINGS UP A GOOD POINT.
THESE, THESE ARE NOT STATISTICALLY SIGNIFICANT SURVEYS.
THESE ARE REALLY INTENDED TO BE A GUIDING TOOL TO BOTH YOU, THE CITY COUNCIL TO CITY STAFF ON, ON MAKING RECOMMENDATIONS.
UM, SO, SO NO, IT IS NOT AS STATISTICALLY SIGNIFICANT WHEN IT COMES TO THE COMMUNITY FEEDBACK.
WE, WE INTENDED TO CAST A WIDE NET, UM, YOU KNOW, LEGACY BENEFITS FROM, UM, RESIDENTS AND VISITORS, UM, FROM ALL OVER, UH, SPECIFICALLY VISITORS FROM FOLKS THAT DON'T LIVE IN THE AREA.
SO WE WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT WE GAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO SORT OF PROVIDE THEIR FEEDBACK WITH THE CAVEAT THAT WE ASKED THEM TO IDENTIFY THEMSELVES THAT WAY.
IF WE EVER DID WANT TO GO BACK AND SAY, OKAY, WELL WHAT ARE, WHAT ARE OUR PLANO RESIDENTS ACTUALLY SAYING, WE COULD GO BACK AND SORT OF, UH, TAKE A, A MORE MINUTE LOOK AT THAT.
SO HERE'S MY, HERE'S MY CONCERN AND MM-HMM
THE WAY THE DATA'S BEEN PROVIDED, ESPECIALLY IN CONTEXT OF WHAT YOU JUST MENTIONED.
SO, IN ORDER FOR US TO MAKE THE BEST INFORMED DECISIONS, WE NOT ONLY NEED TO BE ABLE TO KNOW, UH, WHAT IS OUR COMMUNITY WANTING AND, UH, WHAT IS OUR COMMUNITY NEED, BUT, UH, TO BE ABLE TO LOOK AT DATA AND MAKE THOSE DETERMINATIONS ON SOMETHING THAT WOULD BE STATISTICALLY SIGNIFICANT OR AT LEAST, UH, FROM A PERSPECTIVE OF, UH, ARE WE JUST HEARING FEEDBACK FROM PEOPLE WHO DON'T WANT NEW HOUSING ANYWHERE IN PLANTO? OR ARE WE HEARING FROM PEOPLE THAT WANNA BUILD, YOU KNOW, MULTI-FAMILY HOUSING ALL ACROSS THE ENTIRE CITY OF PLAN? RIGHT.
SO THAT'S WHERE I'M TRYING TO GET THROUGH SOME OF THESE NUMBERS TO UNDERSTAND.
UM, SO I'VE GOTTA SAY A COUPLE THINGS.
UH, I AGREED STRONGLY WITH COMMISSIONER BENDER AND HIS INSIGHTS ABOUT MAKING SURE THAT WE KEEP THE, UH, INSIGHT OF WHAT ELSE IS GOING ON AROUND US.
UH, SECONDLY, I THINK IT IS VERY IMPORTANT, COMMISSIONER RUDOLPH SAID IT, AND TO ME IT'S ONE OF THE KEYS TO THIS ENTIRE THING IS KEEPING THIS AREA EMPLOYMENT FOCUSED.
AND I, I THINK WHEN WE EVEN LOOK AT THE NUMBERS, WHEN WE LOOK AT THE PERCENTAGES OF COMMUNITY AND STAKEHOLDERS THAT ARE WANTING NEW MULTIFAMILY IN THIS AREA, THOSE NUMBERS ARE BOTH FAIRLY SMALL.
AND SO I, I START TO GET A LITTLE NERVOUS WHENEVER WE START TALKING ABOUT MORE MULTIFAMILY OR MORE HOUSING IN THIS AREA WHEN WE DON'T SEE THAT THAT'S WHAT THE NUMBERS ARE SUGGESTING.
AND I GUESS THAT'S THE OTHER AREA WHERE I'M LOOKING FOR, UH, TO BE ABLE TO MAKE A DETERMINATION ON WHETHER IT MAKES MORE SENSE TO HAVE MORE HOUSING IN THESE AREAS.
UH, YOU KNOW, FROM FRIES AND NICHOLS STANDPOINT AS FAR AS WHAT WE'RE SEEING AND ADDRESSING THINGS LIKE, UH, THE AGING RETAIL, THE AGING OFFICE, AS WELL AS, YOU KNOW, I MEAN, THE AGING HOUSING THAT, I MEAN, THAT IS ALREADY GOING ON UP IN THIS AREA.
SO WHAT'S YOUR THOUGHT ON THAT? I, I THINK IT'S A FAIR COMMENT FOR SURE.
AND I, PART OF THE REASON OF PRESENTING THIS INFORMATION TONIGHT AND AND ME BEING PRESENT TONIGHT, IS TO, TO HEAR YOUR THOUGHTS ON, OKAY, HOW DID THIS PHASE ONE ENGAGEMENT COMPONENT GO? SEEMS LIKE WE MIGHT BE MISSING A LITTLE BIT OF SOME CONTEXT.
AND SO WHAT WE'LL DO IS WE'LL, WE'LL ADJUST OUR APPROACH MOVING FORWARD THROUGH OUR PHASE TWO ENGAGEMENT.
YOU SHOULD SEE THAT ADJUSTMENT.
SO, UM, I KNOW OUR PHASE TWO WILL BE MORE FOCUSED ON RECOMMENDATIONS THAT STAFF WILL BE PROVIDING AND THINGS LIKE THAT.
AND SO I THINK WE CAN REALLY SORT OF DIVE INTO THOSE TOPICS A LITTLE BIT MORE.
YOU KNOW, WHAT EXACTLY DO YOU MEAN WHEN YOU SAY, YOU KNOW, MORE MULTIFAMILY, FOR EXAMPLE? YOU KNOW, IN WHAT CONTEXT IS THAT? SO IT, IT'S REALLY, IT, IT'S REALLY GREAT FEEDBACK AND I APPRECIATE IT, AND I THINK YOU'LL SEE THAT ADJUSTMENT AS WE CONTINUE TO MOVE FORWARD THROUGH THE, THROUGH THE CLIENT PROCESS.
I JUST WANT US TO BE CAREFUL ABOUT UNDERSTOOD MAKING THE RECOMMENDATIONS SO THAT WE'RE MAKING THE RIGHT ONES FOR THE FUTURE.
BECAUSE IT'S HARD FOR SOMETIMES FOR US TO SEE FROM HERE WHAT THAT FUTURE LOOKS LIKE, BUT RIGHT.
BEING ABLE TO RELY ON A GROUP LIKE YOU GUYS AT FREEZE AND NICHOLS, YOU GUYS HAVE A PROVEN TRACK RECORD OF BEING ABLE TO HELP LEAD AND
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GUIDE US IN THOSE DIRECTIONS.SO I GUESS MY LAST, UH, MY LAST POINT, I GUESS I'LL CIRCLE BACK AROUND.
I REALLY THINK IT'S IMPORTANT FOR US TO FOCUS ON THE EMPLOYMENT, UH, PIECE OF WHAT THIS REPRESENTS.
AND, UH, I HAVE TO AGREE WITH MOST OF THE COMMISSIONERS AROUND HERE.
I DIDN'T HEAR ENOUGH IN THIS ABOUT TRANSPORTATION.
AND TO ME, THAT'S THE NUMBER ONE THING I HEAR ACROSS PLANO WHEN I GO ALMOST ANYWHERE IN PLANO, IS MORE ABOUT TRANSPORTATION, MORE ABOUT, UH, MOBILE, UH, MOBILITY.
AND SO I'D LIKE TO SEE US, UH, REALLY GETTING A FOCUS ON, UH, WHAT A LOT OF OUR COMMUNITY NEEDS TODAY AND, UH, AS WE GROW AND CHANGE IN PLATO, WHAT WE'RE DEFINITELY GONNA NEED, UH, TOMORROW.
SO THAT'S KIND OF MY FEEDBACK.
I GOT A COUPLE OF LIGHTS ON, BUT Y'ALL HAVE ALREADY GOTTEN TO SPEAK ONCE, SO I'M GONNA JUMP, UM, I HAVE A COUPLE OF FOLLOW UP QUESTIONS.
UM, WE HAD A PRESENTATION, YOU MIGHT CORRECT ME, BUT IT'S BEEN A WHILE AGO ABOUT THE HOUSING STUDY THAT WAS DONE, ABOUT HOUSING WHERE, WHERE PEOPLE WHO WORK IN PLANO ARE LIVING.
HAVE Y'ALL REVIEWED THAT AS, OR ARE YOU PLANNING TO REVIEW THAT AS PART OF THIS EFFORT? YEAH, SO PART OF THE EXISTING, UM, EXISTING CONDITIONS ANALYSIS TOOK INTO ACCOUNT, UM, THE HOUSING STUDY.
UM, I THINK IT WAS THE NORTHEAST BOUNDARY THAT WAS LIKE A STUDY AREA WITHIN THE HOUSING STUDY.
UM, WE TOOK THAT INTO CONSIDERATION, UM, AND KIND OF REVIEWED THAT, AND THAT'S HOW WE DETERMINED THERE'S KIND OF THIS FEW ENTRY AND MID-LEVEL INCOME HOUSING.
THE REASON I ASKED THAT QUESTION IS YOU MADE A REFERENCE A COUPLE TIMES TO WORKFORCE HOUSING AND INTERRUPT YOU.
UM, Y'ALL MADE A REFERENCE A COUPLE TIMES ABOUT WORKFORCE HOUSING, AND I KNOW ONE OF THE CHALLENGES, UM, THAT I'VE, I'VE HEARD, AND, AND I'VE NOT HEARD IT OFTEN, BUT I KNOW IT EXISTS AT LEGACY, IS THE HOSPITALITY INDUSTRY, THE RETAIL INDUSTRY, UM, THE, THE, THE PRICE OF THE HOUSING AND LEGACY VERSUS THE OPPORTUNITY TO MAKE ENOUGH MONEY TO AFFORD THAT HOUSING IS, THERE'S A DISPARITY THERE.
AND, AND SO I I, I HOPE THAT WHEN YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT WORKFORCE HOUSING, YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT LOOKING AT ALL RANGES, NOT JUST THE PROFESSIONAL AND C-SUITE, BUT ALSO THE FOLKS THAT ARE, THAT ARE IN THE HOSPITALITY INDUSTRY AND WHERE THEY'RE LIVING AND WHERE THEY HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO LIVE, TO BE ABLE TO WORK IN LEGACY.
BECAUSE I THINK THAT'S A CHALLENGE OF SOME OF OUR, UM, HOSPITALITY AND RETAIL AND RESTAURANT OWNERS DOWN THERE IS FINDING HELP.
AND WE NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT THERE'S NUMBER ONE HOUSING AVAILABLE, NUMBER TWO, TRANSPORTATION AVAILABLE, UM, SO THAT THOSE INDUSTRIES CAN CONTINUE TO THRIVE BECAUSE THAT'S A VIBRANT PART OF THAT COMMUNITY.
SO I WANNA MAKE SURE WE HAVE SOMETHING IN THERE.
AND I KNOW THE HOUSING STUDY HAD SOME INFORMATION, 'CAUSE IT LOOKED ALL THE WAY UP, AS I RECALL, INTO FRISCO AND, AND MAYBE ALL THE WAY AS FAR AS PROSPER AT ONE TIME ABOUT WHERE PEOPLE LIVED VERSUS WHERE THEY WERE COMMUTING FROM.
IS THAT, IS THAT, AM I REMEMBERING THAT CORRECTLY? I THINK DREW, YOU DID THAT, DIDN'T YOU? YEAH, WE REPORTED ON, UM, I MEAN, THE VAST MAJORITY ARE COMMUTING FROM OUTSIDE OF OUR STUDY AREA.
AND SO I JUST, I WANNA MAKE SURE THAT WE FOLD THOSE, THAT KNOWLEDGE INTO THIS STUDY, BECAUSE I THINK THAT'S A CRITICAL COMPONENT TO HELP US UNDERSTAND IF WE'RE GONNA HAVE A HOUSING COMPONENT OF THIS, WE NEED TO UNDERSTAND WHAT HOUSING WE'RE LOOKING FOR.
'CAUSE HOUSING DOESN'T NEED TO BE A VERY EXPENSIVE PENTHOUSE IF THAT'S NOT THE PERSON WE'RE LOOKING FOR.
IF WE NEED SOMEBODY THAT, THAT'S LOOKING FOR A DIFFERENT LEVEL JOB.
SO LET'S MAKE SURE WE FOLD THAT IN, IS JUST MY PRIMARY COMMENT.
AND THEN TRANSPORTATION, I'M NOT GONNA, UM, REHASH THAT Y'ALL HAVE HEARD THAT FROM EVERYBODY.
COMMISSIONER BENDER, THANK YOU CHAIRMAN.
UM, MAKE SOME EXCELLENT POINTS REGARDING HOUSING.
UM, AND YOU KNOW, I, I THINK, AND JUST TO OFFER A COUPLE PERSPECTIVES, UM, UM, COMMISSIONER BROSKY REFERENCED IT, YOU KNOW, STATISTICALLY, AND I THINK YOU WOULD AGREE, THIS IS NOT STATISTICALLY SIGNIFICANT TO MAKE A BUSINESS DECISION OFF OF, RIGHT? THE STAKEHOLDER FEEDBACK IS GOOD FEEDBACK.
THOSE ARE FROM THE STAKEHOLDERS I'M ASSUMING THAT ARE LISTED IN THE REPORT.
BUT, YOU KNOW, WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE COMMUNITY FEEDBACK, IT'S ONE, IT'S TWO, IT'S THREE.
YOU CAN'T MAKE A BUSINESS DECISION OFF OF THAT.
UM, AND I, THE OTHER THINGS, WHEN WE THINK ABOUT, YOU KNOW, LEGACY 2.0, I THINK WE HAVE TO THINK ABOUT IT AS AN EVOLUTION, RIGHT? IT'S STARTED WITH PENNIES, EDS, AND OTHER THINGS JUST HAPPENED AROUND IT, RIGHT? AND SO, YOU KNOW, HAVING LIVED THERE, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT DEVELOPERS ARE REALLY GOOD AT DOING IS PROMISING VERSUS DELIVERING, RIGHT? AND SO, I KNOW WHEN, YOU KNOW, WE EXECUTE A CONTRACT THERE AND LEGACY, UM, THERE WERE SUPPOSED TO BE A GROCERY STORE, READY TO EAT GROCERY STORES,
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ALL SORTS OF DIFFERENT STUFF.WHY? THE RENTS ARE TOO EXPENSIVE.
THERE'S A RETAIL, THERE'S LIKE A SEVEN 11 TYPE STORE THERE THAT'S SUBSIDIZED BY THE DEVELOPER, RIGHT? SO THERE ARE A LOT OF THINGS THAT REALLY HAVE TO BE LOOKED AT REALLY HARD, UH, WORKING WITH A LOT OF THE EMPLOYERS IN THE AREA.
VERY FEW EMPLOYEES LIVE IN LEGACY OR POINT OH, UH, AND I THINK THE HOUSING STUDY WOULD, YOU KNOW, PROVE THAT OUT.
UM, BUT, UM, YOU KNOW, THE STANDARD DEVIATION, YOU KNOW, IF WE'RE DOING SOMETHING STATISTICALLY SIGNIFICANT, I'D EXPECT TO SEE A CALCULATION.
CAN'T DO THAT WITH, WITH THESE KIND OF NUMBERS.
SO, UM, ANYWAY, I THINK THESE ARE ALL GOOD COMMENTS, BUT I THINK THERE'S A LOT OF WORK TO DO BECAUSE WE HAVE SOME VERY SOPHISTICATED COMPETITION THAT'S HAPPENING UP THE ROAD AND WITH A LOT OF MONEY BEHIND IT.
AND SO I THINK WHAT WE NEED TO DO HERE, WE NEED TO STUDY IT VERY, VERY WELL AND REALLY MAKE SOME GOOD DECISIONS AS WE MOVE FORWARD.
COMMISSIONER OLLIE, UM, TWO QUICK CLARIFYING QUESTIONS.
UM, ONE OF THEM IS TO, UH, I THINK IT WAS COMMISSIONER BEN'S POINT, WE RECENTLY MADE DECISIONS, I'M THINKING AROUND JC PENNEY AND THE, UH, THE HOTEL THAT HAS BEEN BUILT AND THE ACCESS FOR ENTERTAINMENT SPACE AND OPEN SPACE AND WHAT HAVE YOU.
I'M GOING TO ASSUME THAT WASN'T INCORPORATED INTO THIS BECAUSE IT'S NOT LIVE OPEN SPACE YET.
WHEN I LOOK AT THE STAKEHOLDER COUNT, THAT'S ACCOUNT BY COMPANY, RIGHT? SO IF I SEE 11, IF YOU CAN GO BACK TO THE SLIDE AT THE CHART OF GRAPHS.
SO IF I SEE, YOU KNOW, FOUR RESPONDENTS IN PARKS AND GREEN SPACE, THAT'S FOUR COMPANIES, NOT FOUR INDIVIDUALS, NOT NECESSARILY.
THERE WERE 14 SURVEY RESPONDENTS AND THERE WERE OVERLAP.
SO SOME COMPANIES MAY HAVE HAD THREE RESPONDENTS FROM THAT COMPANY COMPLETE A SURVEY.
OKAY? SO WE REACHED OUT TO INDIVIDUALS WHO WERE WORKING FOR THE COMPANY, NOT NECESSARILY A COMPANY SPOKESPERSON WHO'S SPEAKING FOR THE COMPANY.
NO, I THINK THE COMPANY EXECUTIVES WHO WE OFFERED INTERVIEWS TO DISTRIBUTED THAT, THAT TO OTHER KIND OF EXECUTIVES WITHIN THE TEAM.
IT WASN'T NECESSARILY TO EMPLOYEES, UM, OF THE COMPANY.
OKAY? SO IF THAT'S THE CASE, THEN I WOULD ARGUE THIS BECOMES STATISTICALLY SIGNIFICANT.
SO FOR INSTANCE, IF I'M LOOKING AT THIS IN JP MORGAN, ACCORDING TO THIS IN, UM, RESPONDED TO INTERVIEW AND SURVEY PARTICIPANTS, THAT INDIVIDUAL IS RESPONDING ON BEHALF OF JP MORGAN AND THEIR 6,000 EMPLOYEES, RIGHT? MM-HMM
SO IF 11, IF YOU GOT 11 COMPANIES OUT OF THE 36 OR SO THAT ARE INDICATED HERE, THAT IS STATISTICALLY SIGNIFICANT, ESPECIALLY IF SOME OF THOSE COMPANIES ARE WEIGHTED HEAVILY IN TERMS OF THE INDIVIDUALS THAT ARE THE, QUITE FRANKLY, THE PRIMARY STAKEHOLDERS OF THAT SPACE.
SO IF WE CAN GET SOME CLARIFICATION ON, IF I'M UNDERSTANDING THAT CORRECTLY, UM, I KNOW CAPITAL ONE TO RESPOND, BUT IF THEY HAD, THAT'S 8,000 PEOPLE, UM, THAT ESSENTIALLY THE COMPANY IS SAYING THIS IS THE VIEW REPRESENTATIVE OF OUR EMPLOYEES.
SO IF THAT CLARIFICATION WILL HELP, UM, HELP ME UNDERSTAND HOW I HOLD THAT PARTICULAR FEEDBACK AND CHART.
YEAH, THANK YOU COMMISSIONER AND, AND MIRIAM HAD IT CORRECT.
SO THE, THE STAKEHOLDER INTERVIEWS THEMSELVES WERE WITH, YOU KNOW, SELECT INDIVIDUALS THAT THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT DEPARTMENT HAD SORT OF CONTACT ON FILE WITH FOR SOME OF THESE COMPANIES.
NOW, THE, THE SURVEY, THE STAKEHOLDER FEEDBACK THAT YOU'RE SEEING HERE, THE SORT OF QUANTIFIABLE DATA WAS SOLICITED TO THEM, THE INDIVIDUALS THAT WE SPOKE WITH AND, AND ALSO ASKED TO BE DISTRIBUTED.
SO THAT'S WHY YOU'RE SEEING A LITTLE BIT OF A, OF A DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE STAKEHOLDER CONVERSATIONS AND THE NUMBER OF STAKEHOLDER RESPONDENTS WE HAD IN THEIR SURVEY.
BUT IF YOU REACH OUT, I WORK FOR CAPITAL ONE.
UM, IF YOU REACH OUT TO CAPITAL ONE ASKING FOR AN EXECUTIVE'S FEEDBACK MM-HMM
NOTHING'S COMING OUT OF MY COMPUTER WITHOUT IT BEING VETTED BY LEGAL COMPLIANCE.
IS IT REPRESENTATIVE OF, IT'S NOT MY VIEW I'M PUTTING THERE, I'M PUT IN THE VIEW OF THE LARGER REPRESENTATION OF THE COMPANY.
THAT'S WHAT I'M TRYING TO UNDERSTAND.
WHAT AM I, WHAT AM I SEEING HERE? I UNDERSTAND.
SO WHEN WE SPOKE WITH THEM IN PERSON, AND, AND TO AN EXTENT WHEN WE SOLICITED THESE RESPONSES, WE WERE ASKING THEM TO SORT OF KEEP THEIR, KEEP THEIR COMPANY HAT ON, IF YOU WILL.
UM, AND SO I GUESS YOU COULD SAY TO AN EXTENT THEY WERE
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IN A WAY ANSWERING ON BEHALF OF THEIR, THEIR, YOU KNOW, IN THEIR ROLE AT THE COMPANY, NOT PARTICULARLY.NOW IT'S A LITTLE HARD TO CONTROL THAT.
PARTICULARLY IN THE CONVERSATIONS, YOU KNOW, WE WOULD HAVE DISCUSSIONS WITH THEM AND SOME OF THEM LIVED IN THE AREA, LIVED NEAR THE AREA, AND THEY WERE VERY EXPLICIT OF, WELL, PERSONALLY I THINK THIS, BUT FROM A, UH, YOU KNOW, COMPANY OPERATIONS STANDPOINT, I THINK THIS, SO WE MADE THOSE DISTINCTIONS AS BEST WE COULD IN THE DISCUSSION NOTES.
THAT'S A LITTLE HARDER TO CAPTURE HERE.
BUT ULTIMATELY THAT'S, THAT'S HOW WE PITCHED IT TO THEM.
NOW, WHETHER THEY DID THAT OR NOT, IT'S A LITTLE KIND OF TO BE SEEN.
UM, BUT THAT'S AT LEAST HOW WE FRAMED IT TO THEM.
UM, SO FOLLOW UP QUESTION ON THAT.
UM, HAVE Y'ALL, DID Y'ALL ATTEMPT TO, OR DO YOU PLAN TO, OR WOULD IT BE A GOOD IDEA TO POLL OR SURVEY THE EMPLOYEES AT SOME OF THE MAJOR EMPLOYERS TO SEE WHERE THEY LIVE? WOULD THEY MOVE THERE? WHY OR WHY NOT? RIGHT.
YOU KNOW, WHAT DO THEY WANNA SEE AFTER WORK? DID Y'ALL GET ANY OF THAT KIND OF INFORMATION? SO WE DID MAKE A, AN EFFORT TO ACTUALLY ON THE COMMUNITY FEEDBACK SIDE OF THINGS, THAT'S WHY WE HAD RESPONDENT OPTIONS WERE THAT WERE, I LIVE AND WORK IN THE LEGACY AREA.
SO WE TRIED TO KIND OF CAST THAT WIDE NET.
WE DID DISCUSS STRATEGY ON, ON SOLICITING SPECIFIC, UH, INPUT FROM SPECIFIC COMPANY WORK BASES.
UM, BUT I WOULD SAY THAT THE COMMUNITY FEEDBACK GAVE AN OPPORTUNITY FOR AN INDIVIDUAL TO IDENTIFY THEMSELVES AS THAT EXACT TYPE OF RESPONDENT.
SOMEONE WHO LIVES AND WORKS IN LEGACY.
WE WOULD ASSUME THAT THAT WOULD PROBABLY BE JUST A STAFF INDIVIDUAL, NOT AN INDIVIDUAL THAT WE WERE SOLICITING ON THE STAKEHOLDER SIDE.
UM, SO I'M, I'M, I DON'T KNOW AS MUCH ABOUT THIS AS YOU DO, BUT IT SEEMS TO ME THAT IF, IF I WORK IN A LEGACY, BUT I DON'T LIVE THERE AND I COME IN AT EIGHT O'CLOCK, AT 7 45 AND I LEAVE AT FIVE 15, RIGHT? THE ODDS OF ME STICKING AROUND IN THE EVENING OR COMING IN ON THE WEEKEND TO DO A COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT THING ARE PRETTY THIN.
UM, BUT IF MY EMPLOYER SENDS A SURVEY AROUND AND SAYS, HEY, TAKE THREE MINUTES AND FILL THIS OUT, I THINK THE ODDS OF US GETTING A BUNCH OF THOSE BACK ARE GO WAY, WAY UP.
AND, AND WE DID, WE, WE SHARED THESE LINKS, UM, WITH, WITH THE INDIVIDUAL COMPANIES.
NOW, AGAIN, WHETHER IT'S A LITTLE BIT DIFFICULT TO, TO REALLY TIE DOWN THE EXACT INDIVIDUAL THAT WAS RESPONDING.
SO WHETHER THE COMPANY DID OR DIDN'T, YOU KNOW, BLAST THAT OUT.
I WILL SAY ALL OF THESE ONLINE FUNCTIONS WERE LIVE, YOU KNOW, FOR, FOR AN EXTENDED PERIOD.
UH, THE IN-PERSON ENGAGEMENTS THAT WE, WE DID JUST TO GET VISIBILITY, THOSE WERE HELD DURING THE WEEK, DURING LUNCH HOUR FOR THAT EXACT REASON.
WE UNDERSTAND THAT WE WOULD'VE GOTTEN SOMEWHAT OF A SKEWED RESPONDENT BASE IF WE WERE TO SHOW UP ON A SATURDAY AT LEGACY HALL, FOR EXAMPLE.
THAT MAKES ME FEEL A LITTLE BETTER ABOUT IT.
AND IF IT'S SOMETHING THAT YOU'D LIKE TO SEE US POTENTIALLY ADJUST MOVING FORWARD, THAT'S ALSO WHY WE'RE HERE TODAY.
YOU KNOW, WE HAVE A WHOLE SORT OF SECOND WAVE OF ENGAGEMENT THAT'S DELIBERATELY, YOU KNOW, YOU KNOW, UNDER REVIEW RIGHT NOW ON HOW WE'RE GOING TO DO IT ON THE SECOND PHASE OF WORK.
SO WE'VE HEARD SOME GOOD RESPONDENTS HERE.
'CAUSE IN, IN MY MIND, ONE OF THE REASONS THAT COMPANIES COME TO LEGACY IS BECAUSE THEIR EMPLOYEES ARE HAPPIER THERE.
RIGHT? AND THAT'S CERTAINLY WHAT WE'RE GOING FOR, RIGHT? AND SO IT SEEMS TO ME THAT IF WE WANT TO SEE WHAT THAT HAPPINESS INDEX IS, THERE'S NO BETTER WAY THAN BY ASKING THEM.
AND SO I THINK THE MORE EMPLOYEE FEEDBACK WE CAN GET FROM THE MAJOR EMPLOYERS, THE BETTER UNDERSTOOD.
I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE BEST WAY TO DO THAT IS.
UM, BUT I, I, I THINK FROM MY PERSPECTIVE, I, I WOULD LOVE TO GET A REALLY GOOD STATISTICAL, STATISTICALLY SIGNIFICANT ENOUGH SAMPLE OF EMPLOYEES OVER THERE TO UNDERSTAND I LIKE WORKING IN LEGACY BECAUSE I DON'T LIVE IN LEGACY BECAUSE I DO LIVE IN LEGACY BECAUSE I WANNA MOVE TO LEGACY BECAUSE RIGHT.
BUT I CAN'T FIND A HOUSE, OR I NEED A HOUSE OR, YOU KNOW, I, I'D JUST BE CURIOUS AS TO, I THINK THAT MIGHT BE A REALLY ENLIGHTENING OKAY.
PIECE AS TO WHY THEY COME TO LEGACY VERSUS LOOKING FOR A JOB IN ONE OF OUR COMPETING RIGHT NEIGHBORS.
RIGHT? WE COULD CERTAINLY PLACE AN EMPHASIS ON THAT AS WE MOVE INTO THIS SECOND PHASE.
JUST TO ECHOING A COUPLE OF YOUR COMMENTS, UM, A LOT OF THE EMPLOYERS IN LEGACY, YOU KNOW, THEY HAVE THEIR OWN BARISTA.
YOU DON'T HAVE TO LEAVE TO GO GET STARBUCKS, RIGHT? THEY HAVE A FULL-TIME BARISTA FOR TWO OR THREE FLOORS.
THEY HAVE CAFETERIAS, THEY HAVE ONSITE STARBUCKS, THEY HAVE ALL SORTS OF DIFFERENT THINGS.
AND I'M SURE THE EDC GUYS WOULD ALSO TELL YOU THAT, YOU KNOW, ONCE A COMPANY RELOCATES HERE, THEY HAVE, YOU KNOW, ONE, TWO OR THREE FLOORS AND THEY'VE BEEN THERE FOR FIVE YEARS AND THEY WERE NEW FOR ANOTHER FIVE YEARS, THEIR EMPLOYEES TEND TO RELOCATE SO THAT THEY CAN COMMUTE TO LEGACY.
SO WHEN IT COMES TIME AND THEY'RE BEING DRAGGED AWAY TO FRISCO JUST NORTH OF 1 21 OR SOME PLACE, YOU KNOW, THE EMPLOYER'S LESS LIKELY TO DO
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THAT 'CAUSE THEY'RE CONCERNED ABOUT LOSING EMPLOYEES, RIGHT? TO YOUR POINT.SO I THINK, YOU KNOW, THERE'S A LOT OF THESE THINGS TOGETHER.
UM, MAYBE OFFLINE WE COULD PROVIDE SOME INPUT.
'CAUSE I THINK THERE'S, UH, BETTER WAYS TO CAPTURE SOME OF THE INFORMATION THAT YOU'RE LOOKING FOR.
IT'S ALSO INTERESTING WHEN THE PEOPLE TALK ABOUT OPEN SPACES, ENTERTAINMENT AND MEETING PLACES.
HAVING LIVED THERE FOR SIX AND A HALF YEARS, IT SOUNDS LIKE PEOPLE THAT HAVEN'T LIVED THERE, BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE A FOOD HALL WITH AN ENTERTAINMENT VENUE.
WE HAVE MEETING ROOMS AND COMMUNITY ROOMS AND ALL SORTS OF THINGS THAT ARE THERE.
PEOPLE MAY JUST NOT KNOW ABOUT THEM.
AND, AND SO PART OF THAT MAYBE IS A PR CAMPAIGN, UH, AS YOU MOVE FORWARD, BUT THERE'S A LOT OF THOSE OPPORTUNITIES THERE.
CHILDCARE, DOG PARKS, YOU KNOW, THE CITY HAS LAND RIGHT ACROSS FROM THE RENAISSANCE ON THE WEST SIDE OF THE RENAISSANCE BEHIND THE, UH, CAPITAL ONE BANK THAT IS, UH, SET FOR A PARK.
WE JUST DON'T HAVE IT IN THE BOND, RIGHT? BUT THERE'S A LOT OF THAT OPEN SPACE.
WE ALSO HAVE OPEN SPACE THAT IS PRIVATE OPEN SPACE WHERE IT'S THE CONDO AND THE, AND THE, IN THE, YOU KNOW, UH, APARTMENT, HIGH RISE LEVEL, WHATEVER, IT'S, AND THAT CAN ONLY BE USED BY THOSE RESIDENTS.
SO THERE'S A LOT OF SPACE THERE.
YOU JUST HAVE TO KNOW WHERE IT'S, THANK YOU.
UM, COMMISSIONER LOLLY, UH, I ACTUALLY LIKE, UH, I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THE OTHER, UH, PLANO RESIDENTS AND, YOU KNOW, LIKE MAYBE THE SURROUNDING CITY ALSO POINT OF VIEW AND TO BE INCLUDED IN THIS SURVEY BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, LIKE YOU WE'RE NOT BUILDING SOMETHING JUST FOR, YOU KNOW, LIKE THE LEGACY WHO WORKS, WHO WORKS AND, UH, LIVE THERE.
YOU WANNA ATTRACT OTHER PEOPLE ALSO TO THIS AREA, RIGHT? EMPLOYERS OR, YOU KNOW, LIKE THOSE RETAILS ARE PROBABLY, THEY'RE NOT, YOU KNOW, LIKE, UH, BENEFITING FROM THE PEOPLE WHO LIVE THERE, UH, OR WORK THERE.
MAYBE BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, LIKE MAYBE THEY WERE, THEY GO AND SHOP SOMEWHERE ELSE.
BUT, SO IT IS IMPORTANT TO ME, YOU KNOW, LIKE TO SEE SOME, LIKE THOSE 230, YOU KNOW, LIKE FROM OTHER PLANO OR, YOU KNOW, LIKE PROBABLY THE SURROUNDING AREA.
I ACTUALLY, UH, WORKED IN THE SHOPS AT LEGACY SOMETIME IN THE PAST WHEN IT WAS REALLY NEW.
AND, UH, A LOT OF PEOPLE, YOU KNOW, I COULDN'T AFFORD TO LIVE IN THAT AREA, SO THEY WERE GOING TO THE SURROUNDING AREAS.
UH, SO I, YOU KNOW, LIKE I SECOND THAT WE NEED, YOU KNOW, LIKE TO, UH, REVIEW THE HOUSING IN THAT AREA, BUT ALSO, YOU KNOW, LIKE I WOULD LIKE TO SEE, YOU KNOW, LIKE THE OTHER SURROUNDING AREA AND OTHER PEOPLE WHO SUPPORT YOU.
LIKE THE RETAIL SUPPORTS THE RESTAURANTS IN THAT AREA TOO.
THAT'S, UM, IN MY OPINION, THANK YOU COMMISSIONER TONG.
SO I WANTED, IF YOU COULD GO BACK TO THAT, UH, BAR CHART, UM, SLIDE.
'CAUSE THAT CHART ACTUALLY TELLS A LOT OF DATA THAT WE DIDN'T QUITE TO CATCH EARLIER.
I KIND OF, UM, WANNA PIGGYBACK ON THE POINT THAT, UH, OUR COMMISSIONER VENDOR MENTIONED THAT, OKAY, WE HAVE SO MANY CHOICES AT LEGACY WEST, WHY THERE'S SUCH A HIGH DEMAND, UM, FROM EITHER BOTH THE COMMUNITIES AND THE STAKEHOLDERS SAYING THAT WE NEED DINING OPTIONS, WE NEED ENTERTAINMENT OPTIONS, WE NEED RETAIL SPACES, WE NEED GATHERING EVENT SPACES.
ISN'T LEGACY ENOUGH LEGACY WEST ENOUGH? IT'S NOT BASED ON THE FEEDBACKS, RIGHT? THE REASONS ARE FROM WHAT I HEARD OR FROM WHAT I, 'CAUSE I HAVE A LOT OF FRIENDS WHO WORK IN THAT AREA WHO LIVE IN THAT AREA.
THEY DON'T GO TO LEGACY WEST FOR ONE REASON.
PARKING AND THE SECOND REASON, TOO EXPENSIVE.
FOR THE THIRD REASON, THERE ARE REALLY NOT THAT MANY CHOICES.
YEAH, THERE'S A FOOD HALL, BUT I MEAN, ALL THE OTHER RESTAURANTS ARE REALLY HIGH END, HIGH END FOR A REGULAR EIGHT TO FIVE.
UM, YOU KNOW, WORKER AT TOYOTA, WOULD THEY BE ABLE TO AFFORD TO GO TO LUNCH AT, UM, TOMMY BAHAMAS EVERY DAY, RIGHT? SO IT'S REALLY, THEY DON'T HAVE A LOT OF CHOICES.
SO WE NEED, I WOULD LIKE TO RESPECT THE FEEDBACKS FROM THE COMMUNITY, FROM THE STAKEHOLDERS, AND LOOK INTO MAYBE MORE SURVEYS OR, UH, RESEARCH ON THESE DINING HIGH DEMAND CATEGORIES.
THE DINING OPTIONS THAN RETAIL OPTIONS, THE ENTERTAINMENT.
LIKE, I WOULD ACTUALLY WANT TO KNOW THE DISTANCES.
HOW FAR WOULD THEY WANNA GO FROM THEIR EMPLOYMENT TO WHERE THEY WANT TO HAVE LUNCH OR THEY WANNA SHOP DURING LUNCH HOURS OR THEIR LIFE CIRCLE.
WOULD THAT BE TWO MILES, FOUR MILES? YOU KNOW, THIS IS FOUR MILES SQUARE, RIGHT? MM-HMM
SO HOW, HOW LONG WOULD YOU, WOULD YOU BE WILLING TO TRAVEL FOR ALL THESE AMENITIES? MM-HMM
SO THAT'S MY, UM, KIND OF A ANALYSIS FROM THIS.
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YEAH.AND, AND LIKE I SAID, I, I THINK THE, THE UNDERLYING, THE, THE DENOMINATOR FROM WHAT WE'VE HEARD IS WE NEED TO, YOU KNOW, TO DIVE INTO THESE A LITTLE BIT MORE, GET A BETTER UNDERSTANDING, GET A BIGGER SAMPLE SIZE, FOR EXAMPLE, UM, TO HELP YOU GUYS MAKE A MORE EDUCATED DECISION ON IT.
AND SO ABSOLUTELY HEARD AND WE'LL, WE'LL, WE'LL MAKE THAT ADJUSTMENT.
ALRIGHT, HERE, HERE'S MY FEEDBACK.
I THINK, UH, WE AGREED IT PROBABLY A MODIFIED APPROACH TO ENGAGEMENT, UM, THAT GIVES US A LITTLE BIT MORE INSIGHT INTO HOW MUCH WEIGHT WE PUT TO THE RESPONDENT.
UM, IS THIS A COMPANY SPEAKING? IS THIS AN INDIVIDUAL SPEAKING? IS THIS A PERSON WHO LIVES IN LIVES AND WORKS IN COMMUTES FROM OUTSIDE? HOW FAR THEY COMMUTE, ALL OF THAT GOOD STUFF.
AND AT THE SAME TIME A MORE RESIDENTIALLY, SUBURBAN ADJACENT KIND OF FEEL.
UH, WE NEED TO DEFINE WHAT IT IS WE WANT LEGACY WEST TO BE, ESPECIALLY IF IT'S KIND OF LIKE THE CROWN JEWEL OF PLANO.
WE, YOU KNOW, IS IT A DIAMOND OR A RUBY? LET'S CHOOSE WHICH ONE.
UM, I THINK YOU HEARD ON TRANSPORTATION, SIMILAR TO HOW WE SAID PULL OUT ON A WIDER PLANO CENTRIC VIEW.
I THINK TRANSPORTATION SHOULD PULL OUT SIMILARLY, UM, WHAT DOES THE TRANSPORTATION SOLUTIONS THAT FEED INTO, UM, THE AREA.
THEN THERE'S A DIFFERENT SOLUTION ON THE INTERNAL TO WHAT, UH, COMMISSIONER BRUNO WAS KIND OF TALKING ABOUT IS A DIFFERENT SOLUTION TO THE INTERNAL TRANSPORTATION NETWORK FOR THAT PARTICULAR, UM, PARTICULAR SITE.
AND LASTLY, UM, I GET A LITTLE BIT OF HEARTBURN WHEN I HEAR PLAN AND THE RIGIDITY THAT, THAT UM, SEEMS TO INSINUATE.
UM, IF WE DID THIS PLAN IN 20 18, 20 19, WE WOULD HAVE SET OURSELVES UP FOR TROUBLE BECAUSE THE WORLD CHANGED, RIGHT? SO WHATEVER THE FINAL PLAN GUIDELINES, WHATEVER IT MAY BE, UM, SOME ATTEMPT TO MAKE IT BREATHABLE, FLEXIBLE, ADAPTABLE, KNOWING THAT THINGS CHANGE, UM, VERY QUICKLY, UH, HOW, UH, OFFICE STOCK THAT WAS LIKE YOU MUST GET IN A CERTAIN FORMAT FIVE YEARS AGO.
YOU KNOW? UM, RIGHT NOW MOST EMPLOYERS ARE PROBABLY TRYING TO BUILD OFF A STOCK THAT ATTRACTS FOLKS BACK INTO THE, INTO THE OFFICE, YOU KNOW, FIVE DAYS A WEEK VERSUS HYBRID OR WHATEVER THE CASE MAY BE.
SO THOSE LARGER THEMES, I THINK WOULD BE WHAT I'LL BE LOOKING FOR IN THE NEXT PHASE.
COMMISSIONER BENDER CHAIRMAN JUST HAD O ONE O OTHER QUESTION.
TO WHAT EXTENT WAS THE, AND, AND THIS IS A QUESTION ABOUT GOVERNANCE, WAS THE LEGACY ASSOCIATION INCLUDED AS PART OF THIS? SO WE DID REVIEW, UM, KIND OF THEIR EXISTING REVIEW CRITERIA, UM, AS PART OF THE EXISTING CONDITIONS ANALYSIS.
UM, BUT IT WAS NOT SOMETHING THAT WAS, YOU KNOW, WE DIDN'T WORK WITH THEM THROUGH THE ENGAGEMENT PROCESS.
UM, AND I, I WOULD ADD THAT THIS MAY NOT BE WELL KNOWN, BUT RIGHT.
THEY PROVIDE INFRASTRUCTURE, UH, MAINTENANCE IN, IN THE LEGACY DEVELOPMENT.
SO, UH, THEY'RE REALLY A KEY STAKEHOLDER IN MY VIEW.
THEY ALSO HAVE A PRETTY BIG STROKE WITH WHO IS ON THE BOARD AND REPRESENTS THINGS.
SO I WOULDN'T ENCOURAGE THAT THEY BE INCLUDED AND OKAY.
YOU KNOW, THAT WE MAKE SURE AS WE MOVE FORWARD THAT WE HAVE THE RIGHT INPUT AND GOVERNANCE STRUCTURE FROM A CITY PERSPECTIVE YEP.
TO, TO DO WHAT NEEDS TO BE DONE.
ALRIGHT, I THINK WE'VE ABOUT EXHAUSTED THIS.
UM, I'M GOING TO CLOSE WITH ONE THOUGHT IS MY LAST ONE AND THEN WE WILL, I'M GONNA THROW IT TO Y'ALL AND ASK YOU ONE QUESTION.
UM, I THINK COMMISSIONER OLLIE SAID IT EARLIER AND SO I WANT TO BRING IT BACK AT THE END OF THE MEETING IS THAT THE SUB AREAS I THINK ARE IMPORTANT WHEN Y'ALL ALL THIS IS FINISHED, THAT WE ALMOST ARE GONNA LOOK AT EIGHT SUB AREA PLANS AS OPPOSED TO ONE GLOBAL PLAN BECAUSE THEY DO HAVE VERY DIFFERENT CHARACTERS.
I PRESUME THAT AT SOME POINT THAT WILL COME BACK IN SOME FORMAT WHERE EACH SUB AREA HAS ITS OWN EMPHASIS AND ITS OWN
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CHARACTER AND ITS OWN IDENTITY BECAUSE THEY DO.AND SO I'M NOT GONNA ASK Y'ALL TO GO THROUGH IT TONIGHT BECAUSE I KNOW Y'ALL KNOW THAT ALREADY OR YOU WOULDN'T HAVE DIVIDED IT UP LIKE YOU DID.
SO, UM, AND SO I'M GONNA ASK Y'ALL A QUESTION.
IS THERE ANYTHING THAT, THAT WE DIDN'T TALK ABOUT AT THE RISK OF OPENING THE CAN OF WORMS, IS THERE ANYTHING THAT YOU'D LIKE TO ASK US TO ANSWER FOR YOU THAT WE DIDN'T GIVE YOU ADEQUATE FEEDBACK ON TONIGHT? SEEING A LOT OF, NO.
UM, THIS WASN'T AN ACTION ITEM.
SO, UM, UH, MR. MR. POWELL, ONE QUICK THING.
I JUST WANTED TO PUT ON THE RECORD THAT THE COMMISSION WAS PROVIDED THE FEEDBACK FROM MR. TURNER PRIOR TO THE MEETING.
WE LOOK FORWARD TO SEEING YOU BACK AT SOME POINT AGAIN IN THE FUTURE.
APPRECIATE YOU GOT A LOT OF WORK TO DO.
UM, NEXT ITEM ON THE AGENDA, COMMENTS OF PUBLIC INTEREST.
DO WE HAVE ANYBODY REGISTERED TO SPEAK TONIGHT? NO, WE DO NOT.
AND THEN, UM, I THINK MR. BELL, YOU HAD AN ANNOUNCEMENT? YES.
I WANT TO INTRODUCE OUR NEW NEWEST SENIOR PLANNER, MS. LILIANA MORON WOULD WAIVE PLEASE YOU JOINING US FROM THE CITY OF ETTE, AND WE'RE HAPPY TO HAVE HER WELCOME.
NO OTHER BUSINESS BEFORE THE COMMISSION TONIGHT.
WE'LL STAND ADJOURNED AT 7:42 PM ALL.