Sep 08, 2026 Planning and Zoning

[CALL TO ORDER]

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WELCOME TO THE SEPTEMBER 8TH CITY OF PLANO PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION MEETING. I NOW CALL THE MEETING TO ORDER AT 6:01 P.M. IF YOU WOULD ALL PLEASE RISE AND JOIN ME IN THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE.

I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA, AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS, ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE, WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL. THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

[CONSENT AGENDA]

THE CONSENT AGENDA WILL BE ACTED UPON IN ONE MOTION AND CONTAINS ITEMS THAT ARE ROUTINE AND TYPICALLY NON-CONTROVERSIAL. ITEMS MAY BE REMOVED FROM THIS AGENDA FOR INDIVIDUAL CONSIDERATION BY COMMISSIONERS OR STAFF.

MR. LINGENFELTER. I MOVE THAT WE PULL ITEM NUMBER C, LETTER C, OFF. OKAY. AND THEN I, AND THEN RECOMMEND THAT WE APPROVE THE REST OF IT AS RECOMMENDED BY STAFF. ALL RIGHT.

COMMISSIONER ALALI. I'LL SECOND. ALL RIGHT. SO, WE HAVE A MOTION TO APPROVE EVERYTHING EXCEPT FOR ITEM C. PLEASE VOTE.

MOTION PASSES EIGHT TO ZERO.

[c. Preliminary Site Plan: Berkeley Square Addition, Block 1, Lots 1R & 4-6 – Shopping center and 356 multifamily residences on four lots on 15.2 acres located on the north side of Preston Road, 275 feet west of Ohio Drive. Zoned Retail with Specific Use Permits No. 92 for Private Club, No. 148 for Day Care Center, No. 169 for Massage Establishment, No. 488 for Private Club, and No. 652 for Theater-Regional and located within the Preston Road Overlay District. Project #PSP2026-016. (Administrative consideration)]

GOOD EVENING, COMMISSIONERS.

MY NAME IS JOHN KIM, SENIOR PLANNER WITH THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT. THIS IS THE PRELIMINARY SITE PLAN 2026-016.

IT IS AT OHIO DRIVE AND PARK BOULEVARD, AND STAFF IS RECOMMENDING THAT THE COMMISSION TABLE THE ITEM.

AVAILABLE FOR QUESTIONS. ALL RIGHT. COMMISSION, ANY QUESTIONS OF THE STAFF? SEEING NONE, I'M PREPARED TO MAKE A MOTION.

COMMISSIONER ALALI. I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO TABLE AGENDA ITEM C, AS RECOMMENDED BY STAFF.

COMMISSIONER BENDER. I'LL SECOND THE MOTION. ALL RIGHT.

WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND TO TABLE ITEM C. PLEASE VOTE.

MOTION PASSES EIGHT TO ZERO.

[1. Public Hearing – Replat: 1897 Townhomes Addition, Block B, Lots 1R-15R, 16X, & 17X – Fifteen single-family residence attached lots and two common area lots on 0.6 acre located at the southeast corner of 15th Street and Great Salt Street. Zoned Planned Development-133-Downtown Business/Government. Project #R2026-021. (Administrative consideration)]

PUBLIC HEARING ITEMS. UNLESS INSTRUCTED OTHERWISE BY THE CHAIR, SPEAKERS WILL BE CALLED IN THE ORDER REGISTRATIONS ARE RECEIVED. APPLICANTS ARE LIMITED TO A TOTAL OF 15 MINUTES OF PRESENTATION TIME WITH A FIVE-MINUTE REBUTTAL IF NEEDED. REMAINING SPEAKERS ARE LIMITED TO 30 TOTAL MINUTES OF TESTIMONY TIME WITH THREE MINUTES ASSIGNED PER SPEAKER.

PRESIDING OFFICER MAY MODIFY THESE TIMES AS DEEMED NECESSARY. ADMINISTRATIVE CONSIDERATION ITEMS MUST BE APPROVED IF THEY MEET CITY DEVELOPMENT REGULATIONS.

LEGISLATIVE CONSIDERATION ITEMS ARE MORE DISCRETIONARY EXCEPT AS CONSTRAINED BY LEGAL CONSIDERATIONS.

NON-PUBLIC HEARING ITEMS. THE PRESIDING OFFICER WILL PERMIT LIMITED PUBLIC COMMENT FOR ITEMS ON THE AGENDA NOT POSTED FOR A PUBLIC HEARING. THE PRESIDING OFFICER WILL ESTABLISH TIME LIMITS BASED UPON THE NUMBER OF SPEAKER REQUESTS, LENGTH OF THE AGENDA, AND TO ENSURE MEETING EFFICIENCY, AND MAY INCLUDE A TOTAL TIME LIMIT. AGENDA ITEM NUMBER ONE, 1897 TOWNHOMES ADDITION, BLOCK B, LOTS 1R THROUGH 15R, 16X, AND 17X, 15 SINGLE-FAMILY RESIDENCE ATTACHED LOTS AND TWO COMMON AREA LOTS ON 0.6 ACRE LOCATED AT THE SOUTHEAST CORNER OF 15TH STREET AND GREAT SALT LAKE STREET. I'M SORRY. GREAT SALT STREET. ZONED PLANNED DEVELOPMENT-133-DOWNTOWN BUSINESS/GOVERNMENT. THE APPLICANT IS FENWAY DEVELOPMENT INCORPORATED. THIS ITEM IS FOR ADMINISTRATIVE CONSIDERATION. SO, ON THE SCREEN YOU WILL SEE THE LOCATOR MAP. IT IS LOCATED OFF 15TH STREET AND GREAT SALT STREET.

AND SO, AS YOU CAN SEE, THERE ARE CURRENTLY 15 RESIDENTIAL LOTS, AND THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING TO SUBDIVIDE THE LOTS AT THE VERY ENDS OF THE STREET INTO TWO RESIDENTIAL LOTS AND TWO COMMON AREA LOTS. STAFF IS RECOMMENDING FOR APPROVAL AS SUBMITTED. I'M AVAILABLE FOR ANY QUESTIONS.

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WHERE IS GREAT SALT STREET? I DROVE ALL AROUND THERE. I NEVER SAW IT. SO, IT IS GOING TO BE THE CURVED STREET ALONG THE SOUTH FROM THE WEST SIDE TO THE EAST.

OH, I SEE. OKAY. THANK YOU.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OF STAFF? ALL RIGHT. SEEING NONE, WE DO HAVE A PUBLIC HEARING. I'LL OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING. DO WE HAVE ANY REGISTERED SPEAKERS ON THIS ITEM? WE DO NOT. ALL RIGHT. I'LL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING. ANY COMMENTS? COMMISSION? PREPARED TO MAKE A MOTION.

COMMISSIONER BROUNOFF. I MOVE THAT WE APPROVE ITEM ONE AS RECOMMENDED BY STAFF.

COMMISSIONER LINGENFELTER. I'LL SECOND. ALL RIGHT. WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND. MOTION PASSES EIGHT TO ZERO. NUMBER 2.

[2. Public Hearing – Replat: 1897 Townhomes Addition, Block C, Lots 3R & 17X – One single-family residence attached lot and one common area lot on 0.1 acre located at the southwest corner of Great Salt Street and N Avenue. Zoned Planned Development-133-Downtown Business/Government. Project #R2026-023. (Administrative consideration)]

COMMISSION, ANY QUESTIONS OF THE STAFF? COMMISSIONER OLLEY. JUST ONE. THE COMMON AREA LOT WILL BE AVAILABLE TO ALL OF THE OTHER PLATTED LOTS IN THAT AREA, OR IS IT GOING TO BE DEDICATED TO ONE OR TWO OF THE LOTS AROUND IT? YEAH, IT WILL BE ITS OWN SEPARATE LOT MAINTAINED BY THE HOA. YES.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OF STAFF? OKAY, WE HAVE A PUBLIC HEARING.

I'LL OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING.

DO WE HAVE ANY REGISTERED SPEAKERS ON THIS ITEM? NO, SIR, WE DO NOT. I'LL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING. COMMISSIONER BROUNOFF. I MOVE THAT WE APPROVE ITEM NUMBER TWO AS RECOMMENDED BY STAFF.

COMMISSIONER ALALI. OH, COMMISSIONER. SORRY, COMMISSIONER OLLEY. SECOND.

SORRY, I GOT MY, GOT YOU ALL MIXED UP. THERE'S A SECOND. SORRY. ALL RIGHT, WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND.

OKAY. MOTION PASSES EIGHT TO ZERO. ITEM NUMBER 3. AGENDA

[3. Public Hearing – Replat: Aldridge Place Addition, Block 6, Lot 9R – One General Residential lot on 0.2 acre located on the west side of G Avenue, 345 feet south of 12th Street. Zoned General Residential and located within the Expressway Corridor Overlay District. Project #R2026-029. (Administrative consideration)]

345 FEET SOUTH OF 12TH STREET. ZONED GENERAL RESIDENTIAL AND LOCATED WITHIN THE EXPRESSWAY CORRIDOR OVERLAY DISTRICT. THE APPLICANT IS ALI RECYCLING, LLC. THIS ITEM IS FOR ADMINISTRATIVE CONSIDERATION.

GOOD EVENING, COMMISSIONERS.

MY NAME IS ANA SUTTER, A PLANNER FOR DEVELOPMENT REVIEW. THE PURPOSE OF THIS REPLAT IS TO REESTABLISH THE LOT BOUNDARIES TO REFLECT A FIVE-FOOT RIGHT-OF-WAY. RECOMMENDED FOR APPROVAL AS SUBMITTED.

THANK YOU, COMMISSIONERS, AND I AM AVAILABLE FOR ANY QUESTIONS, IF YOU HAVE ANY. COMMISSION, ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE STAFF? COMMISSIONER ALALI. I JUST HAVE ONE QUESTION. SO, YOU'RE LIKE, WILL THE EXPRESSWAY CORRIDOR OVERLAY AFFECT THE PLAT IN ANY WAY? NO, IT WILL NOT BECAUSE THIS IS A RESIDENTIAL REPLAT. THANK YOU. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OF STAFF? COMMISSIONER OLLEY. THE FIVE-FOOT RIGHT-OF-WAY IS REQUESTED BY WHAT, THE CITY? THE APPLICANT? SO, WHAT'S DRIVING THAT? THANK YOU. THE FIVE-FOOT RIGHT-OF-WAY WAS DEDICATED IN THE 70S BY, BY A SEPARATE INSTRUMENT OR BY A DEED. SO, IT WAS DEDICATED ALREADY TO, TO THE CITY, BUT IT WASN'T REPLOTTED BACK THEN.

SO, THIS REPLAT ESSENTIALLY REAFFIRMS OR WRITES IT INTO THE DEED. OKAY. ALL RIGHT.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OF STAFF? NONE? OKAY, THIS IS A PUBLIC HEARING. LET ME OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING. DO WE HAVE ANY REGISTERED SPEAKERS ON THIS ITEM? NO, SIR. ALL RIGHT, I'LL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING.

COMMISSIONER LINGENFELTER. I MOVE THAT WE APPROVE THIS ITEM

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COMMISSIONER ALALI. I'LL SECOND. ALL RIGHT. MOTION AND A SECOND. PLEASE VOTE. MOTION PASSES EIGHT TO ZERO. ITEM NUMBER FOUR. ITEM NUMBER FOUR.

[4. Public Hearing – Preliminary Replat & Revised Site Plan: Swaminarayan Gurukul Addition, Block A, Lot 1R – Religious facility on one lot on 28.3 acres located on the west side of Park Vista Road, 1,420 feet south of 14th Street. Zoned Agricultural and located within the Expressway Corridor Overlay District. Projects #PR2026-007 & #RSP2026-010. (Administrative consideration)]

GOOD EVENING, COMMISSIONERS.

MY NAME IS TI'ARA CLARK. I'M A PLANNER WITH THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT. THE SUBJECT PROPERTY IS LOCATED ON THE WEST SIDE OF PARK VISTA ROAD AND IS AN EXISTING RELIGIOUS FACILITY. THE PURPOSE OF THE REPLAT IS TO ABANDON AND DEDICATE EASEMENTS FOR SITE IMPROVEMENTS. AND THE PURPOSE OF THE REVISED SITE PLAN IS TO ADD TWO ACCESSORY STRUCTURES, PERIMETER FENCE AND RELATED SITE IMPROVEMENTS AS SHOWN ON THE NEXT FEW SLIDES. STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF THE PRELIMINARY REPLAT SUBJECT TO APPROVAL OF A HOLD HARMLESS AGREEMENT FOR FENCE ENCROACHMENT INTO THE DRAINAGE AND FLOW WAY EASEMENT AND THE SANITARY SEWER EASEMENT AS REQUIRED BY OUR ENGINEERING DEPARTMENT AND ANY ADDITIONS OR ALTERATIONS TO THE ENGINEERING PLANS THAT MAY ALSO BE REQUIRED BY THE ENGINEERING DEPARTMENT. STAFF ALSO RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF THE REVISED SITE PLAN SUBJECT TO APPROVAL OF, EXCUSE ME, SUBJECT TO ANY ADDITIONS OR ALTERATIONS BY TO THE ENGINEERING PLANS AS REQUIRED BY THE ENGINEERING DEPARTMENT. THANK YOU, AND I'M AVAILABLE FOR ANY QUESTIONS.

COMMISSION, ANY QUESTIONS OF STAFF? SO, DO WE HAVE WHAT KIND OF FENCING THAT THEY'RE GOING TO BE PUTTING THERE? EXCUSE ME? WHAT KIND OF FENCE? I THINK IT IS A CHAIN LINK FENCE, IF I'M CORRECT. SO, DOES IT HAVE LIKE A RETAINING WALL OR SOMETHING? IT'S NOT GOING TO AFFECT THE EASEMENT, THE DRAINAGE, OR WELL, THE FENCE WILL NEED A HOLD, A HOLD HARMLESS AGREEMENT, AND SO THAT'S CURRENTLY IN THE WORKS WITH OUR LEGAL DEPARTMENT, AND IT ULTIMATELY HAS TO GET APPROVED BY THE ENGINEERING DEPARTMENT. THANK YOU. NO PROBLEM. COMMISSIONER OLLEY. THERE'S NO FENCING CURRENTLY IN PLACE? THERE IS AN EXISTING FENCE ON THE SITE.

YES, AND I THINK THEY ARE RELOCATING A PORTION OF THE FENCE, AND SO THEREFORE THAT HOLD HARMLESS AGREEMENT HAS TO GET APPROVED.

BUT THE TYPE OF FENCING IS NOT NECESSARILY CHANGING? NO, IT'S THE LOCATION OF THE FENCE. THE LOCATION. ALL RIGHT. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OF STAFF? SEEING NONE, THIS IS A PUBLIC HEARING.

I'LL OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING.

DO WE HAVE ANY REGISTERED SPEAKERS ON THIS ITEM? NO, SIR.

I'LL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING.

COMMISSIONER OLLEY. I MOVE WE APPROVE AGENDA ITEM NUMBER FOUR AS RECOMMENDED BY STAFF BASED ON THE APPROVALS, ADDITIONS, ALTERATIONS REQUIRED BY THE ENGINEERING DEPARTMENT.

COMMISSIONER ALALI. I'LL SECOND. MOTION AND A SECOND.

PLEASE VOTE. MOTION PASSES EIGHT TO ZERO. NUMBER FIVE.

[5. Public Hearing – Replat & Revised Site Plan: Plano East Church of Christ Addition, Block A, Lots 1R & 2 – Religious facility and vacant land on two lots on 5.0 acres located at the northwest corner of Merriman Drive and Ranch Estates Drive. Zoned Planned Development-173-Estate Development. Projects #R2026-032 & #RSP2026-014. (Legislative consideration of Subdivision Ordinance variance)]

THIS ITEM IS FOR LEGISLATIVE CONSIDERATION OF SUBDIVISION ORDINANCE VARIANCE. AGAIN, GOOD EVENING, COMMISSIONERS. MY NAME IS ANA SUTTER. THIS SLIDE SHOWS THE SUBJECT PROPERTY ALONG THE NORTHWEST CORNER OF MERRIMAN DRIVE AND RANCH ESTATES DRIVE. THE PURPOSE FOR THE REPLAT IS TO SUBDIVIDE AN EXISTING LOT INTO TWO LOTS, AND EXISTING RELIGIOUS FACILITY WILL REMAIN ON THE SOUTHERN LOT, AND THE NORTHERN LOT IS INTENDED TO BE SOLD.

WITH THIS REPLAT, THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING A VARIANCE FROM A SIDEWALK CONSTRUCTION.

THE PURPOSE

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THE PROPERTY HAS AN EXISTING SIDEWALK ALONG MERRIMAN DRIVE AND A PARTIAL SIDEWALK ALONG RANCH ESTATES DRIVE.

PROPERTIES TO THE NORTH ALONG RANCH ESTATES DRIVE DO NOT HAVE SIDEWALKS. THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING A VARIANCE FROM CONSTRUCTING THE REMAINING 280 FEET OF SIDEWALK ALONG RANCH ESTATES DRIVE AS SHOWN ON THE SCREEN. PICTURE ONE SHOWS THE EXISTING SIDEWALK ENDS BEFORE THE DRIVEWAY OF LOT 1R AND DOES NOT CONTINUE FURTHER NORTH. PICTURE TWO SHOWS THE EXISTING SUBURBAN CHARACTER ALONG RANCH ESTATES DRIVE WHERE SIDEWALKS ARE GENERALLY NOT PRESENT. THE VARIANCE CRITERIA FOCUS ON ENSURING THERE IS NO PUBLIC HARM. THE CONDITIONS ARE UNIQUE TO THE PROPERTY. A HARDSHIP EXISTS, AND THE REQUEST REMAINS CONSISTENT WITH THE ZONING ORDINANCE AND COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. THE SIDEWALK REQUIREMENT WOULD PROVIDE LIMITED CONNECTIVITY DUE TO THE LACK OF CONTINUOUS SIDEWALK SYSTEM ALONG WITH EXISTING SITE CONSTRAINT AND NO CURRENT ENGINEERING PLANS FOR SIDEWALK CONSTRUCTION.

THE SITE FOR THE REPLAT, STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL SUBJECT TO THE REQUIRED FINDINGS BEING MET TO ALLOW AN EXCEPTION FROM THE SIDEWALK CONSTRUCTION REQUIREMENT ALONG THE NORTHERN FRONTAGE OF LOT 1R AND FRONTAGE OF LOT 2 ON RANCH ESTATES DRIVE.

FOR REVISED SITE PLAN, THE STAFF RECOMMENDS FOR APPROVAL AS SUBMITTED. I'M AVAILABLE FOR ANY QUESTIONS.

THANK YOU. I HAVE ONE REAL QUICK. THE REVISED LOT 2, THAT'S GOING TO MEET ALL OF THE REQUIREMENTS OF THE, THE CURRENT ZONING IN THAT NEIGHBORHOOD BECAUSE I KNOW THAT NEIGHBORHOOD HAS A UNIQUE ZONING. CORRECT. ALL RIGHT.

COMMISSIONER OLLEY. CAN YOU GO BACK TO THE PICTURE ONE AND TWO? THERE WE GO. SO, THIS CURRENT SIDEWALK THAT IS IN PLACE, WHAT LEADS TO THE, IT CUTS THROUGH WHAT WOULD BE WHERE THE RELIGIOUS FACILITY IS CURRENTLY. CORRECT. SO THAT SIDEWALK THAT ENDS ON THE RIGHT-OF-WAY OR THE ENTRANCE IS ONLY FOR THE RELIGIOUS FACILITY.

SO THAT, THAT PART ON THE NORTH IS VACANT RIGHT NOW, AND THERE'S NO SIDEWALK THERE.

OKAY, AND WE REQUIRED DID WE REQUIRE A SIDEWALK FOR THE RELIGIOUS FACILITY? YES. OKAY. WHEN IT WAS CONSTRUCTED. YES. WHEN IT WAS CONSTRUCTED. SO, THE ASSUMPTION HERE, TELL ME IF I'M PUTTING WORDS IN YOUR MOUTH, IS IF THE SECOND LOT THAT IS GOING TO BE SOLD IS SOLD FOR ANYTHING OTHER THAN RESIDENTIAL, WE WOULD REQUIRE SIDEWALK CONSTRUCTION. SO, LET'S ASSUME THERE'S A SECOND RELIGIOUS FACILITY. SO, I BELIEVE THAT THIS LOT IS BE, IS BE, IS GOING TO BE USED FOR, FOR RESIDENTIAL AS WELL. AS A MATTER OF FACT, THE, THE, THE OWNER IS HERE. THEY ARE HERE, THE PEOPLE WHO'S GOING TO BUY THE OTHER LOT, AND THEY'RE PLANNING TO, TO CONSTRUCT A RESIDENTIAL HOUSE.

I UNDERSTAND THAT, BUT LET'S ASSUME THEY DIDN'T.

WE APPROVE THE VARIANCE AND THEY COME AND PUT SOMETHING THAT IS NOT RESIDENTIAL. DO WE HAVE THE ABILITY TO NOW MANDATE A SIDEWALK ON THE NEW LOT? NOT UNLESS THERE'S A NEED TO REPLAT AGAIN FOR EASEMENTS OR OTHER PURPOSES LIKE THAT. ONCE IT'S PLATTED AND THEN THERE'S NO REASON, NO REASON TO REQUIRE A REPLAT, THEN THE VARIANCE WILL HOLD.

OKAY. TYPICALLY, WITH A RESIDENTIAL HOME, HOWEVER, THE SIDEWALKS ARE CONSTRUCTED AT THE TIME OF PERMIT, NOT AT THE TIME OF PLAT, AND SO IF THE VARIANCE IS NOT GRANTED WITH THIS REPLAT, THEN THE HOMEOWNER WOULD HAVE TO COME IN ON THEIR OWN AND REQUEST A VARIANCE WITH THE BUILDING PERMIT, WHICH IS NOT TYPICAL. SO, THE INTENT HERE WAS TO HELP THEM OUT BY DOING IT WITH THIS REPLAT. OKAY. THANK YOU. COMMISSIONER BRONSKY.

SO, TWO QUICK QUESTIONS. IF YOU COULD GO FORWARD. THERE YOU GO.

WHAT IT'S SAYING THERE IN THE REPLAT LANGUAGE IS NOT REQUESTING THAT WE COMPLETE A FINDINGS FORM. IS THAT CORRECT? MR. BELL. THAT'S CORRECT. THIS IS NOT A FINDINGS AS YOU WOULD SEE IN A ZONING CASE. OKAY. I

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AND SO, MY SECOND QUESTION IS, THE WAY THIS WAS CURRENTLY ZONED AND CONSTRUCTED, SHOULD THEY HAVE COMPLETED THE SIDEWALK ALREADY THROUGH THAT PROPERTY, OR WAS THAT SOMETHING THAT WE ALLOWED THEM TIME TO MAKE CHANGES TO? IT IS SOMETHING THAT WE ALLOW.

IF WE LOOK AT THE PD, THE PD, LIKE THE PICTURE THAT I'VE SHOWN, IT'S MORE ON HAVING THE SUBURBAN CHARACTER OF THIS THIS DEVELOPMENT, SO WE ALLOWED THEM TO NOT CONSTRUCT THE SIDEWALK.

AS A MATTER OF FACT, ENGINEERING HAS NO INTENTIONS OR NO PLANS AS OF THE MOMENT TO CONSTRUCT ANY SIDEWALK IN THAT PARTICULAR DEVELOPMENT.

SO, MY QUESTION WAS, FOR THE CHURCH, WHEN THE CHURCH WENT IN AND THEY HAD TO PUT THE INITIAL PART OF THEIR SIDEWALK, WAS THE EXPECTATION THAT THEY WERE GOING TO PUT THE SIDEWALK ON THAT OTHER SPACE AND THEY JUST DID NOT COMPLETE THAT? THAT THE CHURCH WAS BUILT SO LONG AGO, I DON'T BELIEVE WE HAVE THE RECORDS TO CONFIRM THAT ONE WAY OR THE OTHER. OKAY, SO THAT'S WHAT I, THAT'S WHAT I WAS TRYING TO UNDERSTAND, IF THEY HAD A RESPONSIBILITY THAT THEY SHOULD HAVE PUT THE SIDEWALK IN ALREADY AND HAD NOT DONE SO.

SO THAT'S WHAT I WAS ASKING ABOUT. THANK YOU.

COMMISSIONER ALALI. I KNOW, LIKE, THANK YOU FOR CLARIFYING THAT. LIKE, THE SIDEWALKS ARE, THE ENGINEERING DEPARTMENT, THEY DON'T HAVE ANY INTENTION TO BUILD THE SIDEWALK NOW, BUT PER THE STREET DESIGNS FOR THIS TYPE OF STREET, ARE SIDEWALKS REQUIRED? YES.

SO, YOU'RE LIKE, SO MAYBE ANYTIME IN THE FUTURE THE CITY MIGHT DECIDE TO ADD THEM? SO ACCORDING TO ENGINEERING DEPARTMENT, FOR THIS DEVELOPMENT, THEY ARE NOT INTENDING TO CONSTRUCT A SIDEWALK UNLESS THE PROPERTY OWNER ASKS TO DO SO.

OKAY, SO YOU'RE LIKE, THERE, THERE IS A PROBABILITY THAT ONE OF THE, LIKE, ONE OF THE PROPERTY OWNERS, THEY NEED TO BUILD THE SIDEWALK, SO WILL THAT FORCE THE OTHER PROPERTY OWNERS TO CONTINUE THE SIDEWALK? SO, IT DEPENDS ON THE PROPERTY OWNER. IF THE PROPERTY OWNER WANTS TO REQUEST FOR A SIDEWALK ON THEIR PART, ON, IN THE FRONTAGE OF THEIR PROPERTY, BUT I DON'T THINK THAT IT'LL FORCE THE OTHER PROPERTY OWNERS TO DO THE SAME THING. I WOULD SAY IT'S UNLIKELY THAT WE'RE GONNA, THAT THE CITY WOULD BUILD A SIDEWALK JUST FOR ONE LOT, BECAUSE THE DRAINAGE IN THAT AREA IS THE BAR DITCH, AND SO THAT SIDEWALK WOULD AFFECT THE DRAINAGE SIGNIFICANTLY. SO, IF YOU, IF YOU TRAVEL THIS NEIGHBORHOOD, YOU'LL NOTICE IT IS, IT HAS A RURAL CHARACTER, WITH THE ZONING OF IT ACTUALLY REQUIRES CERTAIN TYPES OF FENCING TO KEEP THAT KIND OF RURAL CHARACTER. AND SO, WE'RE OF THE OPINION THAT THAT IS A UNIQUE QUALITY AND CHARACTERISTIC OF THIS NEIGHBORHOOD, AND IT'S WORTHY OF THE VARIANCE. AND YOU'RE LIKE, AND DO WE HAVE, LIKE, SOME SORT OF ESCROW IN CASE THE CITY WOULD, LIKE, BECAUSE SOME CITIES HAVE, LIKE, A ESCROW IN THE FUTURE IF THEY WANT TO BUILD SIDEWALKS, SO THERE'S, LIKE, A MONEY, ENOUGH MONEY? NOT FOR THIS SPECIFIC PURPOSE.

OKAY. THANK YOU. COMMISSIONER BROUNOFF. THANK YOU. IS IT CORRECT THAT THE, I GUESS, BOTH LOTS TOGETHER ARE CURRENTLY ZONED PLANNED DEVELOPMENT-173-ESTATE DEVELOPMENT? IS THAT CORRECT? YES. AND DOES THAT ZONING CATEGORY ALLOW FOR THE RELIGIOUS FACILITY ON WHAT WILL BECOME LOT ONE? IN OTHER WORDS, IF WE APPROVE THIS APPLICATION, WE WILL NOT BE THROWING THE CHURCH IN, INTO A NON-CONFORMING STATUS, WILL WE? NO, SIR. RELIGIOUS FACILITIES WOULD BE ALLOWED ON BOTH LOTS. THAT'S WHAT I THOUGHT. OKAY. AND AS TO THE PROPOSED LOT NUMBER TWO, HOW MANY HOMES CAN YOU BUILD ON A SINGLE PLATTED LOT? ONE.

ONE. OKAY. AND THIS IS NOT AN APPLICATION TO CHANGE THE ZONING, IS IT? NO, IT'S NOT. OKAY, SO IF WE APPROVE THE APPLICATION, WHAT WE HAVE IS LOT TWO, WHICH WOULD AUTHORIZE THE CONSTRUCTION OF ONE HOME ON THAT LOT. IS THAT CORRECT? CORRECT. AND IF THE APPLICANT, IF THE PURCHASER FOR SOME REASON DECIDED TO DO SOMETHING ELSE, SOMETHING NON-RESIDENTIAL, SUBDIVISION OR WHATEVER, HE'D HAVE TO COME IN AND ASK FOR A ZONING CHANGE AND PROBABLY SOME REPLATS AND SITE PLANS AND SO FORTH, RIGHT? SO THAT, THAT WOULD BE SOMETHING WE ARE NOT DEALING WITH IN THIS CASE. IS THAT CORRECT? SO WHAT THEY'RE TRYING TO APPLY IN HERE FOR THIS DEVELOPMENT IS JUST A VARIANCE, VARIANCE FOR, FOR THE SIDEWALK. SO IN CASE THAT THERE ARE OTHER USES THAT SUPPOSEDLY SHOULD GO INTO THE OTHER LOT THAT'S VACANT RIGHT NOW, AS LONG AS IT'S ALLOWED WITHIN THAT DISTRICT, THEN THEY DON'T HAVE TO GO THROUGH ZONING CHANGE. OKAY, SO WHAT WE'RE, WHAT WOULD, WHAT WE WOULD BE LEFT WITH IF WE APPROVE THIS IS A LOT ONE

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WE'D HAVE TO, I'M GONNA HAVE TO LOOK INTO THAT AND GET BACK TO YOU. HOWEVER, IT HELPS, I THINK, YOU KNOW, THERE'S A CHANCE THAT AN INSTITUTIONAL USE, SCHOOL, DAYCARE, ARE TECHNICALLY PERMITTED USES ON THIS SITE, BUT THEY WOULD NEED TO PROVIDE TWO POINTS OF ACCESS. THEY NEED TO PROVIDE FIRE PROTECTION. IT IS VERY LIKELY THAT THEY WOULD NEED TO PLAT FOR EASEMENTS OR FOR ACCESS PURPOSES. I CAN'T GUARANTEE THAT, BUT IT IS VERY LIKELY. THAT HELPS. COMMISSIONER BENDER.

THANK YOU, CHAIRMAN. IF YOU LOOK AT THOSE PICTURES, AND I'M FAMILIAR WITH THIS AREA, THERE'S NO CONTINUOUS SIDEWALK ON WHAT, WHAT'S BEING PROPOSED AS LOT TWO. THERE'S NO SIDEWALK ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THAT LOT, RIGHT? IT'S ALL, AS YOU SEE IN THE PICTURE, THAT'S THE WAY IT IS ALL THE WAY DOWN, SO THIS IS CONSISTENT WITH THAT WHOLE AREA NEIGHBORHOOD. IS THAT CORRECT? CORRECT, SIR.

THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT, NO QUESTIONS FROM COMMISSION.

ALL RIGHT, THIS IS A PUBLIC HEARING. LET ME OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING. SO WE HAVE ANY REGISTERED SPEAKERS ON THIS ITEM? NO, SIR. ALL RIGHT, I'LL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING.

COMMISSIONER OLLEY. I THINK WHAT WE WERE JUST TRYING TO GET AT, IT WAS JUST MORE COMFORT ON THE FACT THAT GIVEN THE CHURCH ESSENTIALLY WAS GRANDFATHERED IN THAT WE HAD SOME MECHANISM JUST IN CASE. YOU KNOW, HE ALWAYS KIND OF LIKE A PLAN FOR THE EXTREME, BUT IT SOUNDS LIKE WE HAVE SOME LEVEL OF LEVERS IF IT'S NOT RESIDENTIAL.

SO WITH THAT, I MOVE WE APPROVE THE WAIVER AS RECOMMENDED BY STAFF. AND COMMISSIONER ALALI. ALL RIGHT. OKAY.

COMMISSIONER BROUNOFF. COULD I PROPOSE A SLIGHT AMENDMENT TO THE MOTION THAT THE COMMISSION FIND THAT, BASED UPON THE INFORMATION PROVIDED BY STAFF IN THE PACKET, ALL THE CONDITIONS NECESSARY TO APPROVE THE REQUESTED VARIANCE HAVE BEEN MET AS A FINDING? I'M GOING TO, I BELIEVE THAT'S ALREADY BASICALLY STATED IN THE, IN THE STAFF REPORT.

CORRECT? OKAY, SO THAT'S EFFECTIVELY INHERENT TO THE MOTION. OKAY. ALL RIGHT, SO WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND. PLEASE VOTE. MOTION PASSES EIGHT TO ZERO. AGENDA

[6. Discussion – Legacy Area Master Plan Update: Receive an update and hold a discussion on Phase 1 of the Legacy Area Master Plan. Project #DI2026-006. (For information only)]

FOR THOSE OF YOU ALL THAT WERE HERE FOR OTHER CASES, YOU ARE MORE THAN WELCOME TO STAY WITH US THE REST OF THE NIGHT IF YOU'D LIKE TO, BUT WE WILL NOT GET OUR FEELINGS HURT IF Y'ALL WOULD LIKE TO LEAVE. YOU'RE WELCOME. I CAN SEE YOU LOOKING AROUND, LIKE, LET'S SEE IF IT WAS OKAY. GOOD EVENING, COMMISSION. MY NAME IS MARIUM ZAHIR, SENIOR PLANNER WITH THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT.

THE LEGACY AREA HAS DEVELOPED OVER, OVER SEVERAL DECADES INTO ONE OF NORTH TEXAS'S PREMIER EMPLOYMENT CENTERS AND MIXED USE DESTINATIONS. THE PROJECT AREA IS LOCATED IN THE FAR NORTHEAST BOUNDARY OF THE CITY, AS SHOWN IN THE GRAPHIC, AND IS APPROXIMATELY 4.6 SQUARE MILES, OR 3,182 ACRES.

WITHIN THIS AREA, THERE IS APPROXIMATELY 45 MILLION SQUARE FEET OF COMMERCIAL SPACE, 96,000 WORKERS, AND 10,000 RESIDENTS.

THE MAIN FOCUS OF THIS EVENING'S PRESENTATION IS THE FINDINGS FROM PHASE ONE OF THE LEGACY MASTER PLAN.

HOWEVER, I'LL FIRST PROVIDE A

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THE PURPOSE WAS TO UNDERSTAND EXISTING STRENGTHS AND CHALLENGES, FUTURE NEEDS, AND PERSPECTIVES ON REDEVELOPMENT AND INFILL.

THERE WERE 18 INTERVIEWS CONDUCTED, AND THE RESPONSES WERE GENERALLY RELATED TO THE THREE TOPICS TOWARDS THE BOTTOM OF THE SCREEN, WHICH INCLUDED BUSINESS ENVIRONMENT, PHYSICAL ENVIRONMENT, AND REGULATORY ENVIRONMENT.

FOR BUSINESS ENVIRONMENT, RESPONDENTS NOTED FACTORS CHANGING THE OFFICE MARKET, INCLUDING AGING, OFFICE INVENTORY, AND MARKET DEMAND.

REGIONAL COMPETITION WAS INCREASING FROM OTHER EMPLOYMENT CENTERS IN THE REGION, INCLUDING UPTOWN DALLAS, LAS COLINAS IN IRVING, AND THE STAR IN FRISCO. THEY ALSO IDENTIFIED BUSINESS NEEDS SUCH AS HOTELS, CONFERENCE, AND EVENT SPACES.

FOR PHYSICAL ENVIRONMENT, RESPONDENTS IDENTIFIED THE NEED FOR MORE PROGRAMMED ACTIVITIES AND COMMUNITY OPEN SPACES, THE NEED FOR BETTER INTERNAL CONNECTIONS AND WALKABILITY, AND CONCERNS REGARDING CONGESTION AND INTERSECTION DELAYS WITHIN THE AREA.

FOR REGULATORY ENVIRONMENT, RESPONDENTS RAISED ISSUES RELATED TO CONNECTIONS AND CIRCULATION WITHIN THE AREA, A DESIRE FOR BETTER AND MORE FLEXIBLE ECONOMIC INCENTIVES, AND THE NEED FOR REGULATIONS THAT ARE ADAPTABLE TO BETTER ACCOMMODATE REINVESTMENT AND REDEVELOPMENT IN THE AREA. THE RESULTS OF THE SENTIMENT SURVEY REINFORCED THE NEED FOR A DISTRICT-SPECIFIC PLANNING EFFORT TO ADDRESS THE CHALLENGES FACING PROPERTY OWNERS AND TENANTS WITHIN LEGACY AND GRANITE PARK. IN JANUARY OF 2026, COUNCIL DIRECTED AND APPROVED FUNDING TO ADDRESS THE CHALLENGES FACING LEGACY THROUGH THE DEVELOPMENT OF A LEGACY AREA MASTER PLAN. THE DEVELOPMENT OF THE PLAN IS A COLLABORATIVE EFFORT BETWEEN THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT DEPARTMENT AND THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT AND IS AIMED AT ADDRESSING KIND OF CHALLENGES FACING THE LEGACY AREA. THOSE CHALLENGES INCLUDE CHANGING MARKET CONDITIONS, REDEVELOPMENT OPPORTUNITIES, EVOLVING REGULATORY ENVIRONMENT, WHICH INCLUDES RECENT STATE LEGISLATION ALLOWING MULTIFAMILY AND MIXED USE DEVELOPMENT BY RIGHT IN COMMERCIALLY ZONED AREAS, WHICH REPRESENTS A NOTABLE SHIFT FROM THE CITY'S LONG-STANDING POLICY DIRECTION FOR LEGACY, WHICH HAS HISTORICALLY EMPHASIZED PRESERVING LAND FOR EMPLOYMENT GENERATING USES, AS WELL AS INFRASTRUCTURE CAPACITY. BASED ON THESE CONDITIONS AND FACTORS, THERE IS A NEED FOR A FOCUSED PLANNING EFFORT TO HELP NAVIGATE THESE CHALLENGES AND PROVIDE GUIDANCE ON LEGACY'S FUTURE DEVELOPMENT.

PHASE ONE OF THE LEGACY AREA MASTER PLAN WAS INITIATED WITH THE EXISTING CONDITIONS ANALYSIS. THE INTENT OF THE ANALYSIS WAS TO ESTABLISH A BASELINE UNDERSTANDING OF THE LEGACY AREA AND ANALYZE TOPICS SUCH AS POLICY AND REGULATORY FRAMEWORK, ECONOMIC AND MARKET CONDITIONS, DEMOGRAPHICS, AS WELL AS THE OTHER TOPICS SHOWN ON THE SCREEN. BECAUSE THE STUDY AREA COVERS APPROXIMATELY 4.4 SQUARE MILES AND INCLUDES DIFFERENT DEVELOPMENT PATTERNS AND CONDITIONS, THE STUDY AREA WAS SUBDIVIDED BY COMMON FORM AND USE MIX INTO THE EIGHT SUB AREAS SHOWN ON THE MAP. THE SUB AREAS APPROACH RECOGNIZES THAT THERE IS NOT A SINGLE UNIFORM DEVELOPMENT MIX AND TYPE ACROSS THE LEGACY PROJECT AREA, AND ALLOWS US TO BETTER UNDERSTAND THE DIFFERENCES AMONG THE SUB AREAS AND

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BASED ON OUR ANALYSIS, THERE WERE FIVE MAJOR TAKEAWAYS OR FINDINGS THAT WERE UNCOVERED THROUGH THE EXISTING CONDITIONS ANALYSIS. FIRST WAS THAT LEGACY IS A STRONG EMPLOYMENT BASE BUT EVOLVING OFFICE MARKET.

THERE ARE APPROXIMATELY 96,000 JOBS IN THE LEGACY AREA, AND OFFICE DEVELOPMENT REPRESENTS APPROXIMATELY 54% OF THE LAND USE MIX. HOWEVER, PERFORMANCE VARIES SIGNIFICANTLY, WITH OLDER OFFICE FORMATS EXPERIENCING HIGHER VACANCIES. SECOND WAS THAT RETAIL PERFORMANCE IS GENERALLY STRONG, BUT THERE ARE GAPS. LEGACY WEST CONTINUES TO PERFORM STRONGLY, WHILE SOME OLDER MIXED-USE RETAIL AREAS HAVE HIGHER VACANCIES. THE ANALYSIS ALSO FOUND THAT LEGACY IS A MORE LIMITED MIX OF ENTERTAINMENT AND EVERYDAY SERVICES COMPARED WITH REGIONAL COMPETITORS, AND THOSE REGIONAL COMPETITORS THAT WE ANALYZED WERE UPTOWN DALLAS, LAS COLINAS IN IRVING, AND THE STAR IN FRISCO. THIRD WAS THAT HOUSING DIVERSITY IS LIMITED.

RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT IS CONCENTRATED PRIMARILY IN THE MIXED USE AREAS AND THE SOUTHEAST CORNER OF THE STUDY AREA. THE SUPPLY WITHIN THE DISTRICT IS WEIGHTED TOWARD HIGHER END RENTAL PRODUCTS, WITH FEWER ENTRY AND MID-PRICED RENTAL AND OWNERSHIP OPPORTUNITIES. FOURTH IS THAT PUBLIC OPEN SPACE IS LIMITED RELATIVE TO THE SIZE OF THE LEGACY STUDY AREA. MUCH OF THE ACCESSIBLE OPEN SPACE IS PRIVATELY OWNED AND MANAGED AND CONCENTRATED AROUND MIXED USE AREAS. AND LASTLY, LEGACY IS EXCELLENT REGIONAL ACCESS BUT MORE LIMITED INTERNAL CONNECTIVITY.

DNT AND STATE HIGHWAY 121 PROVIDE FOR STRONG REGIONAL ACCESS, BUT THE CAMPUS ORIENTED STREET PATTERN, LARGE BLOCKS, WIDE INTERSECTIONS AND SIGNIFICANT PEDESTRIAN NETWORK GAPS MAKE INTERNAL TRIPS MUCH MORE CHALLENGING. THIS CONCLUDES THE KEY FINDINGS OF THE EXISTING CONDITIONS ANALYSIS AND PROVIDES THE TECHNICAL BASELINE FOR THE AREA. THE SECOND MAJOR COMPONENT OF PHASE ONE WAS UNDERSTANDING HOW THE PEOPLE WHO LIVE, WORK, OWN PROPERTY, DEVELOP AND SPEND TIME IN LEGACY VIEW THE AREA. THE STAKEHOLDER OUTREACH COMPLETED DURING THIS PHASE WAS BUILDING ON THE WORK THAT WAS COMPLETED IN 2024 AND TARGETED A VARIETY OF MORE SPECIFIC TOPICS TO UNDERSTAND NEEDS AND DESIRES FOR THE AREA AND DEVELOPMENT.

PHASE ONE ENGAGEMENT WAS CONDUCTED FROM MAY THROUGH JULY OF THIS YEAR AND WAS INTENDED TO BROADEN OUTREACH AND BETTER UNDERSTAND COMMUNITY AND STAKEHOLDER PRIORITIES. THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT ENGAGED WITH FREESE AND NICHOLS TO CONDUCT THIS ENGAGEMENT.

THE ENGAGEMENT PLAN INCLUDED MULTIPLE OPPORTUNITIES FOR PARTICIPATION TO ENSURE INPUT WAS RECEIVED FROM A BROAD VARIETY OF COMMUNITY MEMBERS AND STAKEHOLDERS. THE COMMUNITY SURVEY RECEIVED 230 RESPONSES, THERE WERE 11 STAKEHOLDER INTERVIEWS CONDUCTED, 14 RESPONSES RECEIVED FROM THE STAKEHOLDER SURVEY AND THERE WERE ALSO TWO LEGACY HALL IN-PERSON EVENTS AND APPROXIMATELY 50 INDIVIDUALS WERE ENGAGED. BEFORE GETTING INTO THE FEEDBACK TOPICS, IT'S HELPFUL TO DISTINGUISH WHERE COMMUNITY AND STAKEHOLDER FEEDBACK DIFFERED. COMMUNITY FEEDBACK TENDED TO FOCUS MORE ON THE DAY-TO-DAY EXPERIENCE OF LEGACY, LIVING THERE, WORKING THERE, NAVIGATING THE AREA AND SPENDING TIME THERE.

THE STRONGEST COMMUNITY PRIORITIES INCLUDED PARKS AND GREEN SPACE, GATHERING PLACES, RETAIL AND DINING OPTIONS, WALKABILITY AND TRANSPORTATION CONNECTIONS. VIEWS ON FUTURE DEVELOPMENT WERE MORE VARIED AND FOCUSED ON CONTEXT-SENSITIVE DEVELOPMENT.

STAKEHOLDER FEEDBACK PLACED GREATER EMPHASIS ON LONG-TERM ECONOMIC COMPETITIVENESS FOR THE LEGACY AREA. THEY CONSISTENTLY IDENTIFIED LEGACY'S CORPORATE PRESENCE, ACCESSIBILITY, AMENITIES AND OVERALL QUALITY AS STRENGTHS FOR THE AREA. THERE WERE ALSO CONCERNS ABOUT AGING OFFICE PROPERTIES, CHANGING OFFICE DEMAND AND COMPETITION FROM NEWER EMPLOYMENT CENTERS.

STAKEHOLDERS GENERALLY SUPPORTED MAINTAINING A MIXED-USE ENVIRONMENT, AS THEY WERE VIEWED AS AN ASSET TO THE WORKFORCE.

ADDITIONALLY, STAKEHOLDERS EXPRESSED A NEED FOR EMPLOYER SUPPORTING USES SUCH AS HOTEL, CONFERENCE CENTER OR EVENT

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STAFF REVIEWED THE ENGAGEMENT FINDINGS AND ORGANIZED WHAT WE HEARD INTO SIX KEY THEMES, AS SHOWN ON THE SCREEN. I'M GONNA WORK THROUGH EACH OF THESE THEMES INDIVIDUALLY AND PROVIDE A LITTLE BIT OF AN OVERVIEW OF WHAT WE HEARD RELATED TO EACH. THE FIRST FEEDBACK THEME IS EMPLOYMENT AND ECONOMIC VITALITY. THE MAJOR TAKEAWAY IS THAT LEGACY'S FUNDAMENTAL ROLE AS A PREMIER EMPLOYMENT CENTER AND THE NEED TO MAINTAIN THE EMPLOYMENT BASE REMAINS HIGHLY VALUED.

AT THE SAME TIME, THERE IS RECOGNITION THAT MAINTAINING THAT POSITION WILL REQUIRE ADAPTATION AS OLDER AND UNDERPERFORMING OFFICE PROPERTIES FACE GREATER REINVESTMENT NEEDS AND WORKPLACE PREFERENCES EVOLVE.

LASTLY, EMPLOYERS CONSIDER THE SURROUNDING ENVIRONMENT, AMENITIES, ACCESSIBILITY, INFRASTRUCTURE, HOTELS, CONFERENCE FACILITIES AND THE OVERALL EMPLOYEE EXPERIENCE AS PART OF THE BUSINESS ENVIRONMENT AND THE NEED TO STRENGTHEN IT. THIS SLIDE SHOWS THE MOST NEEDED LAND USES BASED ON BOTH GROUPS' FEEDBACK. SO WE HAVE COMMUNITY FEEDBACK AND STAKEHOLDER FEEDBACK, AND I WANT TO CALL OUT THAT THE STAKEHOLDER FEEDBACK IS SPECIFIC TO THE SURVEY RESULTS AND NOT THE INTERVIEWS THAT WERE CONDUCTED. AS YOU CAN SEE, COMMUNITY FEEDBACK WAS, YOU KNOW, SIGNIFICANTLY STRONG ABOUT PARKS AND GREEN SPACE, GATHERING EVENT SPACE, WHICH WE'VE CALLED OUT, AND THEN STAKEHOLDER FEEDBACK VARIED A LITTLE BIT THROUGHOUT.

THIS LEADS INTO OUR NEXT KEY THEME, WHICH IS LAND USE EVOLUTION AND STRATEGIC REINVESTMENT.

FEEDBACK FOCUSED ON TARGETING REINVESTMENT ON AGING, VACANT AND UNDERPERFORMING OFFICE AND COMMERCIAL PROPERTIES RATHER THAN THE LEGACY AREA AS A WHOLE. ALTHOUGH A SMALL PERCENTAGE OF RESPONDENTS DESIRED NEW RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT, VIEWS VARIED CONSIDERABLY.

THEY VARIED ON THE AMOUNT AND LOCATION OF RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT PREFERRED AND MIXED USE DEVELOPMENT. RESPONDENTS PRIORITIZED BALANCING THE EVOLUTION OF THE AREA WHILE MAINTAINING ITS ROLE AS A MAJOR EMPLOYMENT CENTER. BECAUSE ADDITIONAL RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT WOULD REPRESENT ONE OF THE MORE SIGNIFICANT CHANGES FROM LEGACY'S HISTORIC LAND USE DIRECTION OF MAINTAINING THE AREA AS AN EMPLOYMENT HUB, WE WANTED TO KIND OF PRESENT A MORE CLOSE LOOK AT THE HOUSING FEEDBACK OR RESIDENTIAL FEEDBACK WE RECEIVED RATHER THAN KIND OF GROUPING IT UNDER MIXED USE. SO THIS SLIDE HERE, THIS SLIDE HERE SHOWCASES THE FEEDBACK THAT RESPONDENTS RESPONDED TO REGARDING THE MOST NEEDED HOUSING TYPE IN THE LEGACY AREA. AS YOU CAN SEE, IT HAS BOTH THE PERCENTAGES AND THE NUMBER OF RESPONSES. I JUST WANTED TO POINT OUT THE STAKEHOLDER FEEDBACK HAS VERY FEW RESPONSES, AND SO IT JUST KIND OF CAPTURES A VERY SMALL NARROW WINDOW OF THAT FEEDBACK. SO WE'VE BROKEN UP RESIDENTIAL FEEDBACK RELATED TO BOTH COMMUNITY FEEDBACK, AND THEN I'LL GET INTO STAKEHOLDER FEEDBACK, BUT ONLY ABOUT 17 PERCENT OF THE COMMUNITY SURVEY RESPONDENTS IDENTIFIED NEW HOUSING AS A NEEDED DEVELOPMENT TYPE AND WAS LESS COMMONLY REPORTED IN COMPARISON TO OTHER LAND USE GAPS SUCH AS OPEN SPACE.

AMONG THE RESPONDENTS INTERESTED IN HOUSING, THERE WAS NO CONSENSUS ON THE APPROPRIATE FORM.

FEEDBACK RANGED FROM TOWNHOMES TO MULTIFAMILY, WITH SOME INTEREST IN HOUSING INTEGRATED VERTICALLY WITH RETAIL AND OTHER USES.

AND LASTLY, EXISTING MIXED-USE AREAS AND SURROUNDING AREAS AS WELL AS UNDERUTILIZED LAND AROUND EMPLOYMENT CAMPUSES WERE THE SETTINGS PRIORITIZED FOR POTENTIAL HOUSING.

STAKEHOLDER FEEDBACK SIMILARLY REFLECTED A RANGE OF VIEWS AS IT RELATES TO RESIDENTIAL HOUSING OF THE STAKEHOLDERS WHO RESPONDED.

WORKFORCE HOUSING WAS VIEWED AS A POTENTIAL OPPORTUNITY, PARTICULARLY HOUSING THAT COULD ALLOW MORE EMPLOYEES TO LIVE CLOSER TO THEIR WORKPLACE AND REDUCE COMMUTE DISTANCES. THERE WAS ALSO INTEREST IN HOUSING AS PART OF MIXED-USE CONTEXT, WHERE RESIDENTIAL CAN CONTRIBUTE TO THE ACTIVITY OUTSIDE TRADITIONAL OFFICE HOURS AND POTENTIALLY SUPPORT REINVESTMENT IN AGING PROPERTIES, BUT THERE WAS ALSO CONCERNS

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AMENITIES ARE MOST USEFUL WHEN PEOPLE CAN CONVENIENTLY REACH THEM FROM EMPLOYMENT AREAS AND OTHER DESTINATIONS. PARKS AND OPEN SPACE WERE AMONG THE CLEAREST FINDINGS FROM THE ENGAGEMENT. THERE WAS A STRONG INTEREST IN MORE PARKS, TRAILS, USABLE GREEN SPACES, PLAZAS, AND GATHERING AREAS. EXISTING GREENERY, MATURE TREES, AND LANDSCAPING WERE ALSO HIGHLY VALUED, AND RESPONDENTS WANTED TO RETAIN THE GREEN QUALITIES THAT ALREADY CONTRIBUTE TO THE LEGACY AREA'S CHARACTER AND EXPAND TREE SHADED PEDESTRIAN WALKWAYS OR END SPACES.

PARTICIPANTS ALSO HAD AN INTEREST IN TRAIL AND PEDESTRIAN CONNECTIONS BETWEEN OPEN SPACES AND DESTINATIONS.

THE FIFTH THEME IS TRANSPORTATION OPTIONS, CONNECTIVITY, AND ACCESS.

CONGESTION, PARKING, AND ACCESS WERE REOCCURRING CONCERNS, PARTICULARLY AROUND MAJOR EMPLOYMENT AREAS AND INTERSECTIONS. ANOTHER MAJOR ISSUE WAS INTERNAL CONNECTIVITY. RESPONDENTS IDENTIFIED GAPS IN THE PEDESTRIAN AND BICYCLE NETWORK MAKE IT DIFFICULT TO TRAVEL BETWEEN EMPLOYMENT AREAS.

RESIDENCES, AMENITIES, OPEN SPACES, AND OTHER NEARBY DESTINATIONS.

AND THERE WAS ALSO INTEREST IN MORE PRACTICAL TRANSPORTATION OPTIONS FOR FIRST AND LAST MILE CONNECTIONS AND SHORT INTERNAL TRIPS. AND THE FINAL THEME FROM THE ENGAGEMENT FINDINGS IS THE DISTRICT'S IDENTITY AND CHARACTER. PARTICIPANTS CONSISTENTLY VALUED LEGACY'S HIGH-QUALITY DEVELOPMENT, LANDSCAPING, SAFETY, AND OVERALL APPEARANCE AND EXPRESSED A DESIRE TO MAINTAIN LEGACY'S ESTABLISHED QUALITIES.

AT THE SAME TIME, THERE WAS INTEREST IN CREATING A MORE COHESIVE IDENTITY ACROSS THE BROADER LEGACY AREA WHILE RETAINING DISTINCT QUALITIES OF INDIVIDUAL AREAS.

PLACEMAKING, STREETSCAPE, LANDSCAPING, GATEWAYS, BRANDING, AND STRONGER PHYSICAL CONNECTIONS WERE ALL IDENTIFIED AS POTENTIAL WAYS TO REINFORCE SENSE OF PLACE.

TAKEN TOGETHER, THE SIX THEMES PROVIDED US WITH GUIDANCE AS TO WHAT PEOPLE VALUE ABOUT LEGACY TODAY AND WHERE THEY SEE OPPORTUNITIES FOR THE AREA TO EVOLVE. THE NEXT PHASE OF THE PLAN WILL MOVE FROM DEVELOPING AN UNDERSTANDING OF THE AREA'S EXISTING CONDITIONS AND GATHERING INPUT TOWARD DEVELOPING PLAN DIRECTION. THE FIRST STEP WILL BE TO ESTABLISH PLAN GOALS BASED ON THE EXISTING CONDITIONS ANALYSIS AND PHASE ONE ENGAGEMENT. FROM THERE, STAFF WILL BEGIN EVALUATING POTENTIAL DEVELOPMENT SCENARIOS AND STRATEGIES FOR LEGACY AND ITS INDIVIDUAL SUB-AREAS AND COORDINATE WITH SUPPORTING DEPARTMENTS TO EVALUATE IMPLEMENTATION STRATEGIES. THOSE SCENARIOS WILL ALLOW US TO EXPLORE WHERE CHANGE MAY BE APPROPRIATE AND WHAT THE FUTURE MIX INTENSITY SCALE AND FORM OF DEVELOPMENT COULD LOOK LIKE IN DIFFERENT PARTS OF LEGACY.

PHASE TWO ENGAGEMENT WILL PROVIDE THE COMMUNITY AND STAKEHOLDERS AN OPPORTUNITY TO REVIEW THE DRAFT GOALS POTENTIAL DEVELOPMENT SCENARIOS AND SUPPORTING STRATEGIES.

THAT FEEDBACK WILL THEN BE USED TO ESTABLISH A PREFERRED PLAN DIRECTION. THAT CONCLUDES MY PRESENTATION. STAFF RECOMMENDS THAT THE COMMISSION PROVIDE FEEDBACK REGARDING THE PHASE ONE ENGAGEMENT FINDINGS FOR THE LEGACY AREA MASTER PLAN. I'M AVAILABLE FOR ANY QUESTIONS THAT THE COMMISSION MAY HAVE. WE ALSO HAVE REPRESENTATIVES FROM THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT DEPARTMENT HERE AND ALSO CONNOR ROBERTS WITH THE FREESE AND NICHOLS TEAM.

BUT I ALSO WANTED TO OPEN UP THE FLOOR TO THE COMMISSION TO PROVIDE ANY GENERAL OBSERVATIONS THAT YOU MAY HAVE THAT WOULD HELP INFORM THE NEXT PHASE OF DEVELOPMENT FOR THE PLAN. THANK YOU VERY

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THERE'S A LOT OF INFORMATION IN THERE. SO IT WAS A LOT OF GREAT INFORMATION. SO THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR THAT. I HAD ONE QUICK QUESTION, AND THEN I'LL SEE IF THE OTHER COMMISSIONS HAVE ONE. I AM ALWAYS ASTOUNDED AT THE DISPARITY BETWEEN THE NUMBER OF JOBS IN LEGACY AND THE NUMBER OF RESIDENCES IN LEGACY. AT 66,000 VERSUS 10,000. IS THAT CORRECT OUT OF THE DATA? I MAY BE A LITTLE OFF ON THAT. IS THE 10,000 POPULATION, IS THAT CURRENT POPULATION OR IS THAT NUMBER OF UNITS AND WHAT THE POPULATION COULD BE, OR IS THAT THE RESIDENCE THAT WE COUNTED FROM THE CENSUS, OR WHERE DID THAT NUMBER COME FROM? THE POPULATION COUNT COMES FROM THE CENSUS. IT'S FROM, I BELIEVE, THE 2023 ON THE MAP DATA THAT'S PUBLISHED BY THE CENSUS BUREAU. OKAY. AND THEN WHERE DID THE EMPLOYMENT DATA COME FROM? THE SAME SOURCE. OKAY.

SO WE'RE CONSISTENT WITH WHERE THE DATA CAME FROM.

OKAY. OKAY. SO ANYTHING THAT'S BEEN BUILT IN THE LAST THREE OR FOUR YEARS MAY NOT BE REFLECTED IN THAT, WHICH IS PROBABLY NOT. OKAY.

ALL RIGHT. THAT WAS, I KNOW THOSE NUMBERS HAVEN'T PROBABLY CHANGED DRAMATICALLY IN THREE OR FOUR YEARS, BUT HOPEFULLY THEY WILL SOON.

ALL RIGHT. COMMISSION, QUESTIONS OF STAFF OR THE CONSULTANTS? COMMISSIONER LINGENFELTER. I JUST FIRST WANT TO COMMEND YOU FOR, AND ALL THE STAFF THAT'S DONE A REALLY GOOD JOB WITH THIS. IT LOOKS GREAT.

I LIKE THE VENN DIAGRAM APPROACH KIND OF THAT YOU GUYS DID WITH THE COMMUNITY VERSUS STAKEHOLDERS AND EVERYTHING, AND SEE HOW THEY OVERLAP AND EVERYTHING AND PRIORITIZE IN THAT FORM. IT WAS A GREAT APPROACH. I HAD TO CONTINUE THAT APPROACH. IT DOES LOOK LIKE I SEE KIND OF WHAT OUR CHAIRMAN WAS KIND OF ALLUDING TO, A BUSINESS AREA LEGACY LIKE THIS THAT DOESN'T DIE AT NIGHT. IT HAS A POPULATION THAT LIVES AS WELL BEYOND THAT. IT LOOKED LIKE THAT WAS SOMETHING THAT THE COMMUNITY AND EVEN STAKEHOLDERS WERE LOOKING FOR WITH THE AMENITIES AND HAVING ACTIVITIES AND OTHER THINGS THAT KEEP PEOPLE IN THAT AREA AND DOESN'T BECOME A GHOST TOWN AT NIGHT KIND OF THING. SO I DO LIKE THAT APPROACH. I DO LIKE THAT APPROACH, AND I THINK WE'RE GOING IN A GOOD DIRECTION HERE.

COMMISSIONER OLLEY. CLARIFYING QUESTIONS. IN ONE OF THE SLIDES YOU SAID THERE'S A BULLET POINT THAT SAID BALANCE AND CONTEXT SENSITIVE DEVELOPMENT. CAN YOU EXPAND? I THINK WE RECOGNIZE THAT THE SUB-AREAS, THE EXISTING FORM AND DEVELOPMENT KIND OF VARIES. SO WHEN YOU THINK ABOUT WHAT KIND OF DEVELOPMENT MAY BE APPROPRIATE IN ONE AREA AND MAY NOT BE APPROPRIATE IN ANOTHER, FOR EXAMPLE MIXED USE DEVELOPMENT. WE ALREADY HAVE OUR MIXED USE CORE ALONG OUR TOLLWAY CORE IS KIND OF THE NAME OF THIS SUB-AREA.

AND SO WHEN YOU THINK ABOUT, FOR EXAMPLE, SOUTHERN PORTION OR THE BOUNDARY OF THE LEGACY AREA, THAT MIXED USE DEVELOPMENT MAY NOT BE THE MOST APPROPRIATE THERE. SO THINKING ABOUT THE CONTEXT THAT EXISTS TODAY AND MAYBE WHAT'S APPROPRIATE TO KIND OF INTRODUCE WITHIN THOSE AREAS. SECOND QUESTION. IN BOTH THE COMMUNITY AND THE STAKEHOLDERS, GATHERING AND EVENT SPACE WAS ACTUALLY ALMOST SIMILAR PERCENTAGES, IF MY MEMORY SERVES ME RIGHT. I WOULD HAZARD A GUESS THAT MEANS SOMETHING DIFFERENT TO BOTH.

DID YOU GET A SENSE OF WHAT GATHERING AND EVENT SPACE MEANT TO THE COMMUNITY VERSUS WHAT IT MEANT TO CORPORATE, ESSENTIALLY? YEAH, I THINK THERE WERE SOME MORE SPECIFIC COMMENTS THAT SPOKE TO THAT. I THINK THE COMMUNITY WAS LOOKING FOR GATHERING SPACES FOR, LIKE, LIVE ENTERTAINMENT, FOR EXAMPLE, AND THAT MIGHT FIT INTO THE CONTEXT OF WHAT THE COMMUNITY WAS LOOKING FOR.

STAKEHOLDERS WERE KIND OF MORE VOCAL ABOUT WANTING CONVENTION SPACE.

YES, CONVENTION SPACE OR MEETING SPACES OR EVENT SPACES, LIKE, KIND OF FLEXIBLE EVENT SPACE. ONE OTHER QUESTION, WELL, TWO. I KNOW IT WAS ONE PERSON, BUT ONE OF THE STAKEHOLDERS INDICATED INDEPENDENT LIVING AS A PRIORITY. DID THEY GIVE ANY MORE INFORMATION AS TO, THAT STRUCK ME AS INTERESTING? I WAS

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CHAIRMAN, THANK YOU FOR HAVING ME TONIGHT. MY NAME IS CONNOR ROBERTS WITH FREESE AND NICHOLS. THANK YOU FOR THE QUESTION, COMMISSIONER. SO THOSE STAKEHOLDER SURVEY RESPONSES SORT OF HAD THE SAME CONTEXT, IF YOU WILL, BEING A SURVEY THAT THE COMMUNITY WAS GIVEN THE OPPORTUNITY. SO ON THE ADDITIONAL SIDE OF THE STAKEHOLDER, WE HAD THE INTERVIEWS.

IN TERMS OF ASSISTED LIVING SPECIFICALLY COMING UP, I DON'T RECALL ANY SPECIFIC COMMENTS IN THE INTERVIEW PORTION, AND SO REALLY THE CONTEXT THAT WE WOULD HAVE WOULD JUST BE COMPARED TO THE OTHER OPTIONS IN THE SURVEY. LASTLY, THIS IS MORE OF A QUESTION. SO WORKFORCE HOUSING, ONE OF THE, IF I LOOK AT DOWNTOWN CHICAGO, FOR INSTANCE, THE ONE THAT COMES TO MY HEAD, A DECENT AMOUNT OF WORKFORCE HOUSING IS ALMOST SHORT-TERM IN NATURE IN TERMS OF WHEN YOU RELOCATE PEOPLE TO COME WORK FOR THE JOB.

THERE'S A THREE-MONTH STAY WHILE THEY TRY AND FIGURE OUT HOW'S, YOU KNOW, WHERE THEY'RE GOING TO LIVE IN THE CITY. DO WE HAVE A SENSE OF HOW MUCH OF OUR CURRENT HOUSING UNITS ARE ESSENTIALLY CORPORATE OWNED? NO. NO, I DON'T THINK WE HAVE DATA ON THAT. OKAY. ALL RIGHT.

THANK YOU. COMMISSIONER BENDER. THANK YOU, CHAIRMAN.

CAN I HAVE A FEW QUESTIONS AND I THINK A FEW COMMENTS, JUST SO YOU UNDERSTAND MY CONTEXT. I LIVED IN LEGACY WEST FOR SIX AND A HALF YEARS. THAT WAS THE FIRST SIGN OF CONTRACT IN THE VILLAS WHICH ARE THE THREE-STORY SINGLE-FAMILY HOMES THAT ARE RIGHT ACROSS THE STREET FROM, SO I HAVE A, FROM LEGACY WEST, SO I HAVE A REALLY GOOD FEEL FOR THERE'S NO DRY CLEANER, RIGHT, SO I HAVE A FEEL FOR WHAT'S THERE, WHAT'S NOT THERE, THAT SORT OF THING.

BUT I THINK IN THE LARGER CONTEXT, WHEN WE LOOK AT LEGACY AND WE LOOK AT KIND OF PHASE TWO OR 2.0 AS WE MOVE FORWARD, I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT WE DON'T LOOK AT THIS IN A VACUUM. SO WHEN YOU THINK ABOUT WHAT'S HAPPENING, THE STAR WAS MENTIONED, BUT FRISCO STATION WAS NOT MENTIONED. AND WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE PLAZA AND YOU LOOK AT THE REDEVELOPMENT OF WILLOW BEND AND ALL THE OTHER DEVELOPMENT THAT'S GOING TO OCCUR, AND I SEE MICHAEL SITTING AT THE TOP BACK HERE, AND THE ADDITIONAL WAR CHEST THAT'S GOING TO BE NEEDED TO RETAIN THE CORPORATE CLIENTS THAT WE HAVE AND CONTINUE TO ATTRACT CLIENTS, I THINK WE NEED TO LOOK, LOOK AT THIS IN A BROADER CONTEXT.

AND WHEN YOU LOOK AT DEVELOPMENTS LIKE THE FIELDS THAT ARE UP THE TOLLWAY AND SOME OF THESE OTHER THINGS, PGA, I THINK WE WOULD BE REMISS IF WE DID NOT INCLUDE THAT IN THIS ANALYSIS. I THINK THAT WOULD BE A BLIND SPOT THAT WE WOULD LOOK BACK ON AND SAY, WHAT WERE WE THINKING? SO I THINK AS WE MOVE FORWARD, FROM MY PERSPECTIVE, I THINK WE NEED TO HAVE THAT VIEW, BECAUSE I THINK, YOU KNOW, WHAT WE HAVE TODAY, WE'RE VERY HIGHLY LEVERAGED WITH A LOT OF CORPORATE CLIENTS, RIGHT, WITH LARGE EMPLOYERS LIKE BANK OF AMERICA. EVERYBODY TALKS ABOUT THE OBVIOUS ONES, BUT THEY HAVE ABOUT 7,000 PLUS EMPLOYEES RIGHT DOWN CORPORATE DRIVE, RIGHT? SO THERE ARE A LOT OF EMPLOYERS THERE. AND SO I KNOW THAT THE WORK THAT THE EDC TEAM DOES IS INTENSE, AND I THINK THAT AS WE MOVE FORWARD, YOU KNOW, WE NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE INCORPORATING ALL THESE DIFFERENT ELEMENTS IN A COMPETITIVE NATURE OF WHAT OCCURS ON A DAILY BASIS OF KEEPING THOSE DEALS. YOU KNOW, WE SEE THE DEALS WE GET. WHAT WE DON'T HEAR ABOUT IN PLANO ARE THE DEALS WE DON'T GET, RIGHT? AND THERE ARE A LOT OF DEALS THAT WE DON'T.

MICHAEL IS UP THERE, AND THAT'S NOT A HINT. THAT'S JUST REALITY, RIGHT? WE TALK ABOUT THE WINS, BUT THERE ARE A LOT OF WINS THAT HAPPEN AROUND US. SO I THINK WE CAN, WE CAN CONTINUE TO KEEP THIS ECONOMIC ENGINE RUNNING, BUT I THINK WE NEED TO HAVE A LARGER CONTEXT THAN JUST LOOKING AT LEGACY. THAT'S, THESE ARE MY COMMENTS. THANK YOU. COMMISSIONER TONG. THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN. THIS WAS A GREAT PRESENTATION, AS ALWAYS. THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR ALL THE STAFF MEMBERS.

THIS IS A GREAT JOB. AND AS I CAN SEE THAT YOU'RE LOOKING FOR THE COMMISSION TO PROVIDE FEEDBACK AND OBSERVATIONS, WHAT I CAN PROVIDE IS I REALIZE THERE ARE TWO THINGS THAT I, I THINK FROM MY EXPERIENCE WITH LEGACY WEST AND WITH THE TRAVELING THERE OR, YOU KNOW, WORKING THERE SOMETIMES, GOING TO MEETINGS OVER THERE IN THE, IN THE, IN THE GENERAL AREA,

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AND I NOTICED THAT TRANSPORTATION IS ONE OF THE ITEMS THAT ON YOUR REPORT, BUT I DIDN'T SEE ANY KIND OF A SEPARATED KIND OF ON YOUR KIND OF BAR REPORT THAT THE GRAPHS DOESN'T HAVE A SEPARATE ITEM FOR TRANSPORTATION. SO I WONDER IF THAT'S SOME ITEM THAT'S SOME KIND OF AREA THAT YOU MAY DEVELOP IN TO THE NEXT, IN THE NEXT PHASE, THAT YOU WILL PROVIDE MORE TRANSPORTATION OPTIONS. MAYBE MORE BUS ROUTES, OR MAYBE MORE RIDE SHARE OPPORTUNITIES.

MAYBE I SAY BIKE OPPORTUNITIES FOR PEOPLE TO GET TO, FROM POINT TO POINT. THERE ARE LOTS, LOTS OF OF KIND OF MID TO HIGH DENSITY RESIDENTIAL AREAS.

THEY'RE NOT IMMEDIATELY CONNECTED TO THE SHOPPING AREAS, AND THINKING ABOUT HOW THOSE PEOPLE GET TO THE SHOPPING AREAS WITHOUT DRIVING, THAT WILL REDUCE THE TRAFFIC, THAT WILL REDUCE THE PARKING.

SOMETIMES YOU DRIVE AROUND THOSE PARKING GARAGES, LIKE, ALL THE WAY TO THE TOP, YOU CAN'T FIND PARKING. THAT'S A PROBLEM, RIGHT, WITH LEGACY WEST. THAT'S ONE THING, PARKING AND TRANSPORTATION AS IN GENERAL. AND THE SECOND THING IS I DO THINK THAT PROBABLY WE NEED TO LOOK INTO MORE HOUSING OPPORTUNITIES OVER THERE. I UNDERSTAND THAT THE STAKEHOLDERS AND THE COMMUNITY HAVE A SLIGHTLY DIFFERENT VIEWS ON WHAT KIND OF HOUSING THAT THEY WANT, BUT I WOULD SAY LOOKING AT THAT AREA, WE'RE LOOKING, I THINK IN THE FUTURE, WE ARE LOOKING TO HAVE MORE AND MORE YOUNG ADULTS OR YOUNG FAMILIES TO BE THERE. SO I WOULD SAY PROBABLY LOOK AT MORE OPTIONS OR SOLUTIONS TO SMALLER SIZE FAMILIES HOUSING OPPORTUNITIES. THANK YOU.

COMMISSIONER OLLEY. I THINK COMMISSIONER BENDER MAKES A GREAT POINT. YES, WE NEED TO COME UP WITH A PLAN FOR LEGACY, BUT LOOKING AT PLANO AS A WHOLE, AND I'M NOT MISTAKEN, BEING ABLE TO OFFER A SUITE OF EMPLOYMENT CENTER VARIETY THAT CAN APPEAL TO DIFFERENT TYPES OF CORPORATE CLIENTELE, RIGHT? YEAH, THE FOLKS WHO WOULD FEEL BETTER IN THE COLLIN CREEK, WILLOW, WILLOW BEND KIND OF SETTING, AND VERSUS THE MORE TRADITIONAL DOWNTOWNY FEEL THAT LEGACY WOULD PROVIDE. THAT, I THINK, AS YOU'RE COMING UP WITH THAT PLAN, IS ALMOST LIKE A PLANO EMPLOYMENT MASTER PLAN, FOR LACK OF A BETTER WORD. I DON'T KNOW IF IT WOULD BE BENEFICIAL. YOU HAD THE, I THINK IT WAS SIX DIFFERENT AREAS, TO KIND OF GO THROUGH THOSE SIX ONE BY ONE AND GIVE FEEDBACK ON THE IDENTIFIED SIX. WOULD THAT BE BENEFICIAL TO YOU ALL VERSUS TRYING TO PIECEMEAL A HODGEPODGE OF FEEDBACK THAT DON'T QUITE WEAVE A THEME? THAT'S MORE OF A QUESTION TO THE COMMISSION. OKAY. LET'S HOLD ON THAT JUST A SECOND. I THINK, LET'S SEE IF WE HAVE ANY OTHER COMMENTS FIRST. COMMISSIONER BROUNOFF. THANK YOU, CHAIRMAN.

AGAIN, MY COMPLIMENTS TO THE STAFF IN FREESE AND NICHOLS FOR EXCELLENT WORK IN SURVEYING THE INTERESTED PARTIES AND COMING UP WITH THEIR VIEW ON THINGS, WHICH WOULD BE AN IMPORTANT CONSIDERATION IN DEVELOPING A PLAN. IT STRIKES ME THAT PRESERVING THE ESSENTIAL CHARACTER OF A LEGACY AREA AS A MAJOR EMPLOYMENT CENTER HAS BEEN AND MUST REMAIN THE ULTIMATE GOAL OF ANY PLAN THAT IS CREATED.

OKAY. THE ADDITIONAL ITEMS WHICH THE SURVEY RESPONDENTS SPOKE FAVORABLY AND ASKED FOR, PARKS AND GREEN SPACES, COMMUNITY GATHERING EVENT SPACES, DINING, ENTERTAINMENT, RETAIL, RESIDENTIAL AND SO FORTH, ARE ALL IMPORTANT, BUT THEY SHOULD SERVE THE ULTIMATE GOAL OF MAINTAINING THE AREA AS A MAJOR EMPLOYMENT CENTER. AND I THINK THAT MEANS THAT, FOR EXAMPLE, RESIDENTIAL CONSTRUCTION SHOULD BE PROPORTIONATE TO THE PRIMARILY EMPLOYMENT CHARACTER, EMPLOYMENT CENTER CHARACTER OF THE AREA. IT HAS BEEN

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FOR EXAMPLE, THROUGH INTERNAL TRANSPORTATION DEVICES, CIRCULATING BUS OR VAN ROUTES.

YOU CAN CERTAINLY PUT IN PARKS AND GREEN SPACES WITH TRAILS THAT WOULD BE CONDUCIVE TO USES BY, TO BE USED BY BICYCLES AND THOSE ELECTRIFYING SCOOTERS THAT ARE EVERYWHERE AND THAT ARE USUALLY FOUND LYING ON THEIR SIDES ON SIDEWALKS DOWNTOWN. BUT, BUT I MEAN, MEANS OTHER THAN, THE CONNECTABILITY CAN BE SERVED BY MEANS OTHER THAN WALKING.

AND IF YOUR GOAL IS A 4.9 SQUARE MILE MIXED USE DEVELOPMENT, I THINK YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE TO DEVELOP OTHER MEANS OF CONNECTIVITY. AND AN ALTERNATIVE TO THAT WOULD BE, INSTEAD OF CONSIDERING THE ENTIRE AREA AS ONE MIXED USE DEVELOPMENT, CONSIDER THE AREA AS PRIMARILY, AS I SAID BEFORE, A MAJOR EMPLOYMENT CENTER, WITH ONE OR TWO SUB AREAS DEVOTED TO PUTTING IN SMALLER SELF-CONTAINED MIXED USE DEVELOPMENTS THAT COULD BE WALKABLE WITH CONNECTIVITY TO THE EMPLOYMENT CENTER PORTIONS OF THE AREA. I'M SURE THOSE ARE NOT THE ONLY WAYS THAT THIS COULD BE TREATED, BUT THOSE ARE A COUPLE OF SUGGESTIONS, AND THERE MAY BE OTHERS. BUT AGAIN, I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT THAT ALL OF THE OTHER AMENITIES THAT HAVE BEEN ASKED FOR, THE PARKS, COMMUNITY GATHERING AND EVENT SPACES, DINING, RETAIL AND SO FORTH, BE ARRANGED IN SUCH A WAY AS TO SERVE ULTIMATE CHARACTER OF THE PROPERTY AS A MAJOR EMPLOYMENT CENTER. THANK YOU.

THANK YOU. COMMISSIONER BRONSKY. THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR ALL YOUR HARD WORK. SO I'VE GOT A COUPLE QUESTIONS. CAN YOU, SO LET ME ASK FREESE AND NICHOLS FIRST. CAN YOU GIVE ME A BROADER SCOPE OF THE RESPONDENTS? WHEN I LOOK AT SOME OF THESE NUMBERS AND I LOOK AT SOME OF THE PERCENTAGES, WHAT I SEE, I THINK, LIKE, ON PAGE 56 OR SOMETHING, WHERE IT WAS TALKING ABOUT HOUSING, THERE WERE LIKE EIGHT OPTIONS OR EIGHT PIECES OF INPUT THERE, AND SO IT MAKES THE PERCENTAGES REALLY SEEM KIND OF SKEWED. YEAH. THANK YOU. TWO MORE, I THINK. SURE, I COULD SPEAK TO THAT A LITTLE BIT. SO, YEAH, THE ONE, THE STAKEHOLDER FEEDBACK, RIGHT. SO, SO THE, THE APPROACH IN THIS PHASE ONE ENGAGEMENT IS, IS REALLY THREE-PRONGED. SO IT WAS OUR COMMUNITY FEEDBACK.

THAT'S WHAT WE SORT OF BLASTED OUT TO A WIDE RANGE OF FOLKS, AND WE, WE CAN SLICE AND DICE THAT DATA BASED OFF OF FOLKS THAT LIVE AND WORK IN LEGACY OR JUST WORK IN LEGACY OR DON'T LIVE OR WORK, AND LET YOU KNOW, WE CAN SLICE AND DICE THAT SEVERAL DIFFERENT WAYS.

ON THE STAKEHOLDER FEEDBACK, WE, WE HAVE THE SURVEY, BUT WE ALSO HAVE THE INTERVIEWS THEMSELVES. SO I WANT YOU TO KIND OF THINK OF THE STAKEHOLDER APPROACH AS THAT JOINT EFFORT BETWEEN, HEY, WE'D LIKE TO TALK TO YOU ONE-ON-ONE, AND WE DID. WE HOSTED SEVERAL ONLINE, SORT OF SOMEWHAT ANONYMOUS, YOU KNOW, DISCRETE MEETINGS WITH THEM SO THAT THEY COULD SPEAK CANDIDLY WITH THE CONSULTANT TEAM. WE ALSO WOULD THEN SORT OF PEDDLE THE SURVEY TO THEM AND SAY, HEY, IF YOU DON'T MIND, COULD YOU PLEASE ALSO COMPLETE THE SURVEY? COULD YOU POTENTIALLY DISTRIBUTE IT TO OTHER MEMBERS OF YOUR ORGANIZATION? SO, SO THINK OF THAT AS IN TANDEM WITH THE STAKEHOLDER INTERVIEWS, AND THAT'S WHY YOU'RE SEEING SOME OF THAT RESPONDENT RATE BEING A LITTLE BIT LOWER. LOOK AT THE, THE STAKEHOLDER FEEDBACK, AND IT SAYS 67 PERCENT WANT THE MID-RISE MULTIFAMILY. WELL, THAT'S TWO OUT OF, RIGHT, SIX. RIGHT.

UNDERSTOOD. AND THAT'S WHY WE, WE ENDED UP OPTING TO PROVIDE THE ACTUAL TOTAL COUNT SO AS TO NOT MISLEAD. WE'D HAVE THAT CONVERSATION ACTUALLY INTERNALLY WITH STAFF THAT WE INITIALLY, IF YOU JUST PRESENT THAT AS A 67 PERCENT NUMBER, IT MIGHT BE MISUNDERSTOOD TO MEAN A LARGE RESPONDENT BASE, SO THAT WAS THE INTENT OF PROVIDING THE ACTUAL RESPONDENT

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THESE, THESE ARE NOT STATISTICALLY SIGNIFICANT SURVEYS. THESE ARE REALLY INTENDED TO BE A GUIDING TOOL TO BOTH YOU, THE CITY COUNCIL, THE CITY STAFF, ON MAKING RECOMMENDATIONS.

SO, SO NO, IT IS NOT AS STATISTICALLY SIGNIFICANT.

WHEN IT COMES TO THE COMMUNITY FEEDBACK, WE, WE INTENDED TO CAST A WIDE NET. YOU KNOW, LEGACY BENEFITS FROM RESIDENTS AND VISITORS FROM ALL OVER, SPECIFICALLY VISITORS FROM FOLKS THAT DON'T LIVE IN THE AREA. SO WE WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT WE GAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO SORT OF PROVIDE THEIR FEEDBACK, WITH THE CAVEAT THAT WE ASKED THEM TO IDENTIFY THEMSELVES. THAT WAY, IF WE EVER DID WANT TO GO BACK AND SAY, OKAY, WELL, WHAT ARE, WHAT ARE OUR PLANO RESIDENTS ACTUALLY SAYING, WE COULD GO BACK AND SORT OF TAKE A MORE MINUTE LOOK AT THAT. SO HERE'S MY, HERE'S MY CONCERN IN THE WAY THE DATA HAS BEEN PROVIDED, ESPECIALLY IN CONTEXT OF WHAT YOU JUST MENTIONED. SO IN ORDER FOR US TO MAKE THE BEST INFORMED DECISIONS, WE NOT ONLY NEED TO BE ABLE TO KNOW WHAT IS OUR COMMUNITY WANTING AND WHAT IS OUR COMMUNITY NEEDING, BUT TO BE ABLE TO LOOK AT DATA AND MAKE THOSE DETERMINATIONS ON SOMETHING THAT WOULD BE STATISTICALLY SIGNIFICANT, OR AT LEAST FROM A PERSPECTIVE OF, ARE WE JUST HEARING FEEDBACK FROM PEOPLE WHO DON'T WANT NEW HOUSING ANYWHERE IN PLANO, OR ARE WE HEARING FROM PEOPLE THAT WANT TO BUILD, YOU KNOW, MULTI-FAMILY HOUSING ALL ACROSS THE ENTIRE CITY OF PLANO? RIGHT. RIGHT. SO THAT'S WHERE I'M TRYING TO GET THROUGH SOME OF THESE NUMBERS TO UNDERSTAND. SO I'VE GOT TO SAY A COUPLE THINGS. I AGREED STRONGLY WITH COMMISSIONER BENDER AND HIS INSIGHTS ABOUT MAKING SURE THAT WE KEEP THE INSIGHT OF WHAT ELSE IS GOING ON AROUND US. SECONDLY, I THINK IT IS VERY IMPORTANT, COMMISSIONER BROUNOFF SAID IT, AND TO ME IT'S ONE OF THE KEYS TO THIS ENTIRE THING, IS KEEPING THIS AREA EMPLOYMENT FOCUSED. AND I, I THINK WHEN WE EVEN LOOK AT THE NUMBERS, WHEN WE LOOK AT THE PERCENTAGES OF COMMUNITY AND STAKEHOLDERS THAT ARE WANTING NEW MULTI-FAMILY IN THIS AREA, THOSE NUMBERS ARE BOTH FAIRLY SMALL. AND SO I, I START TO GET A LITTLE NERVOUS WHENEVER WE START TALKING ABOUT MORE MULTI-FAMILY OR MORE HOUSING IN THIS AREA WHEN WE DON'T SEE THAT THAT'S WHAT THE NUMBERS ARE SUGGESTING. AND I GUESS THAT'S THE OTHER AREA WHERE I'M LOOKING FOR, TO BE ABLE TO MAKE A DETERMINATION ON WHETHER IT MAKES MORE SENSE TO HAVE MORE HOUSING IN THESE AREAS. YOU KNOW, FROM FREESE AND NICHOLS STANDPOINT, AS FAR AS WHAT WE'RE SEEING AND ADDRESSING THINGS LIKE THE AGING RETAIL, THE AGING OFFICE, AS WELL AS, YOU KNOW, I MEAN, THE AGING HOUSING THAT, I MEAN, THAT IS ALREADY GOING ON UP IN THIS AREA. SO WHAT'S YOUR THOUGHT ON THAT? I THINK IT'S A FAIR COMMENT, FOR SURE, AND PART OF THE REASON OF PRESENTING THIS INFORMATION TONIGHT AND ME BEING PRESENT TONIGHT IS TO, TO HEAR YOUR THOUGHTS ON, OKAY, HOW DID THIS PHASE ONE ENGAGEMENT COMPONENT GO? SEEMS LIKE WE MIGHT BE MISSING A LITTLE BIT OF SOME CONTEXT.

AND SO WHAT WE'LL DO IS WE'LL, WE'LL ADJUST OUR APPROACH MOVING FORWARD THROUGH OUR PHASE TWO ENGAGEMENT. YOU SHOULD SEE THAT ADJUSTMENT. SO I KNOW OUR PHASE TWO WILL BE MORE FOCUSED ON RECOMMENDATIONS THAT STAFF WILL BE PROVIDING AND THINGS LIKE THAT. AND SO I THINK WE CAN REALLY SORT OF DIVE INTO THOSE TOPICS A LITTLE BIT MORE. YOU KNOW, WHAT EXACTLY DO YOU MEAN WHEN YOU SAY, YOU KNOW, MORE MULTI-FAMILY, FOR EXAMPLE? YOU KNOW, IN WHAT CONTEXT IS THAT? SO IT'S REALLY, IT'S REALLY GREAT FEEDBACK, AND I APPRECIATE IT.

I THINK YOU'LL SEE THAT ADJUSTMENT AS WE CONTINUE TO MOVE FORWARD THROUGH THE PROCESS. I JUST WANT TO BE CAREFUL ABOUT, UNDERSTOOD, MAKING THE RECOMMENDATIONS SO THAT WE'RE MAKING THE RIGHT ONES FOR THE FUTURE, BECAUSE IT'S HARD FOR, SOMETIMES FOR US TO SEE FROM HERE WHAT THAT FUTURE LOOKS LIKE, BUT, RIGHT, BEING ABLE TO RELY ON A GROUP LIKE YOU GUYS AT FREESE AND

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I REALLY THINK IT'S IMPORTANT FOR US TO FOCUS ON THE EMPLOYMENT PIECE OF WHAT THIS REPRESENTS, AND I HAVE TO AGREE WITH MOST OF THE COMMISSIONERS AROUND HERE. I DIDN'T HEAR ENOUGH IN THIS ABOUT TRANSPORTATION, AND TO ME THAT'S THE NUMBER ONE THING I HEAR ACROSS PLANO WHEN I GO ALMOST ANYWHERE IN PLANO, IS MORE ABOUT TRANSPORTATION, MORE ABOUT MOBILE MOBILITY. AND SO I'D LIKE TO SEE US REALLY GETTING A FOCUS ON WHAT A LOT OF OUR COMMUNITY NEEDS TODAY, AND AS WE GROW AND CHANGE IN PLANO, WHAT WE'RE DEFINITELY GOING TO NEED TOMORROW. SO THAT'S KIND OF MY FEEDBACK.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH. I'M GOING TO JUMP IN HERE. I GOT A COUPLE LIGHTS ON THAT. Y'ALL HAVE ALREADY GOTTEN TO SPEAK ONCE, SO I HAVE A COUPLE OF FOLLOW-UP QUESTIONS. WE HAD THE PRESENTATION, YOU MIGHT CORRECT ME, BUT IT'S BEEN A WHILE AGO, ABOUT THE HOUSING STUDY THAT WAS DONE ABOUT HOUSING, WHERE, WHERE PEOPLE WHO WORK IN PLANO ARE LIVING. HAVE Y'ALL REVIEWED THAT, AS, ARE YOU PLANNING TO REVIEW THAT AS PART OF THIS EFFORT? YEAH, SO PART OF THE EXISTING, THE EXISTING CONDITIONS ANALYSIS TOOK INTO ACCOUNT THE HOUSING STUDY. I THINK IT WAS THE NORTHEAST BOUNDARY THAT WAS, LIKE, A STUDY AREA WITHIN THE HOUSING STUDY. WE TOOK THAT INTO CONSIDERATION AND KIND OF REVIEWED THAT, AND THAT'S HOW WE DETERMINED THERE'S KIND OF THIS FEW ENTRY AND MID-LEVEL INCOME HOUSING. THE REASON I ASKED THAT QUESTION, YOU MADE A REFERENCE A COUPLE TIMES TO WORKFORCE HOUSING. OKAY.

Y'ALL MADE A REFERENCE A COUPLE TIMES ABOUT WORKFORCE HOUSING, AND I KNOW ONE OF THE CHALLENGES THAT I'VE, I'VE HEARD, AND I'VE NOT HEARD IT OFTEN, BUT I KNOW IT EXISTS AT LEGACY, IS THE HOSPITALITY INDUSTRY, THE RETAIL INDUSTRY, THE, THE PRICE OF THE HOUSING AND LEGACY VERSUS THE OPPORTUNITY TO MAKE ENOUGH MONEY TO AFFORD THAT HOUSING IS, THERE'S A DISPARITY THERE.

AND, AND SO I HOPE THAT WHEN YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT WORKFORCE HOUSING, YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT LOOKING AT ALL RANGES, NOT JUST THE PROFESSIONAL AND C-SUITE, BUT ALSO THE FOLKS THAT ARE, THAT ARE IN THE HOSPITALITY INDUSTRY, AND WHERE THEY'RE LIVING, AND WHERE THEY HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO LIVE TO BE ABLE TO WORK IN LEGACY, BECAUSE I THINK THAT'S A CHALLENGE AS SOME OF OUR HOSPITALITY AND RETAIL AND RESTAURANT OWNERS DOWN THERE, IS FINDING HELP. AND WE NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT THERE'S, NUMBER ONE, HOUSING AVAILABLE, NUMBER TWO, TRANSPORTATION AVAILABLE, SO THAT THOSE INDUSTRIES CAN CONTINUE TO THRIVE, BECAUSE THAT'S A VIBRANT PART OF THAT COMMUNITY. SO I WANT TO MAKE SURE WE HAVE SOMETHING IN THERE. I KNOW THE HOUSING STUDY HAD SOME INFORMATION BECAUSE IT LOOKED ALL THE WAY UP, AS I RECALL, INTO FRISCO AND, AND MAYBE ALL THE WAY AS FAR AS PROSPER AT ONE TIME, ABOUT WHERE PEOPLE LIVED VERSUS WHERE THEY WERE COMMUTING FROM.

IS THAT, IS THAT, AM I REMEMBERING THAT CORRECTLY? I THINK DREW, YOU DID THAT, DIDN'T YOU? YEAH, WE REPORTED ON, I MEAN, THE VAST MAJORITY ARE COMMUTING FROM OUTSIDE OF OUR STUDY AREA. YEAH, SO I JUST, I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE FOLD THOSE, THAT KNOWLEDGE INTO THIS STUDY, BECAUSE I THINK THAT'S A CRITICAL COMPONENT TO HELP US UNDERSTAND, IF WE'RE GOING TO HAVE A HOUSING COMPONENT OF THIS, WE NEED TO UNDERSTAND WHAT HOUSING WE'RE LOOKING FOR, NOT JUST HOUSING, BECAUSE HOUSING DOESN'T NEED TO BE A VERY EXPENSIVE PENTHOUSE IF THAT'S NOT THE PERSON WE'RE LOOKING FOR. IF WE NEED SOMEBODY THAT'S LOOKING FOR A DIFFERENT LEVEL JOB, SO LET'S MAKE SURE WE FOLD THAT IN IS JUST MY PRIMARY COMMENT.

AND THEN TRANSPORTATION, I'M NOT GOING TO REHASH THAT.

Y'ALL HEARD THAT FROM EVERYBODY. OKAY, COMMISSIONER BENDER. CHAIRMAN MAKES SOME EXCELLENT POINTS REGARDING HOUSING, AND, YOU KNOW, I, I THINK, AND JUST OFFER A COUPLE PERSPECTIVES.

COMMISSIONER BRONSKY REFERENCED IT. YOU KNOW, STATISTICALLY, AND I THINK YOU WOULD AGREE, THIS IS NOT STATISTICALLY SIGNIFICANT TO MAKE A BUSINESS DECISION OFF OF, RIGHT? THE STAKEHOLDER FEEDBACK IS GOOD FEEDBACK.

THOSE ARE FROM THE STAKEHOLDERS, I'M ASSUMING, THAT ARE LISTED IN THE REPORT. BUT, YOU KNOW, WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE COMMUNITY FEEDBACK, IT'S ONE, IT'S TWO, IT'S THREE. YOU CAN'T MAKE A BUSINESS DECISION OFF OF THAT. AND I, THE OTHER THINGS, WHEN WE THINK ABOUT, YOU KNOW, LEGACY 2.0, I THINK WE HAVE TO THINK ABOUT IT AS AN EVOLUTION, RIGHT? IT STARTED WITH PENNEY'S, EDS, AND OTHER THINGS JUST HAPPENED AROUND IT, RIGHT? AND SO, YOU KNOW, HAVING LIVED THERE, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT DEVELOPERS ARE REALLY GOOD AT DOING IS PROMISING VERSUS DELIVERING, RIGHT? AND SO I KNOW WHEN, YOU KNOW, WE EXECUTED A CONTRACT THERE IN LEGACY, THERE WAS

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NONE OF THAT HAPPENED. WHY? THE RENTS ARE TOO EXPENSIVE.

YOU CAN'T MAKE A LIVING.

THERE'S A RETAIL, THERE'S LIKE A 7-ELEVEN-TYPE STORE THERE THAT'S SUBSIDIZED BY THE DEVELOPER, RIGHT? SO THERE ARE A LOT OF THINGS THAT REALLY HAVE TO BE LOOKED AT REALLY HARD.

WORKING WITH A LOT OF THE EMPLOYERS IN THE AREA, VERY FEW EMPLOYEES LIVE IN LEGACY OR PLANO, AND I THINK THE HOUSING STUDY WOULD, YOU KNOW, PROVE THAT OUT. BUT, YOU KNOW, THE STANDARD DEVIATION, YOU KNOW, IF WE'RE DOING SOMETHING STATISTICALLY SIGNIFICANT, I'D EXPECT TO SEE A CALCULATION. CAN'T DO THAT WITH WITH THESE KIND OF NUMBERS. SO ANYWAY, I THINK THESE ARE ALL GOOD COMMENTS, BUT I THINK THERE'S A LOT OF WORK TO DO BECAUSE WE HAVE SOME VERY SOPHISTICATED COMPETITION THAT'S HAPPENING UP THE ROAD AND WITH A LOT OF MONEY BEHIND IT. AND SO, I THINK WHAT WE NEED TO DO HERE, WE NEED TO STUDY IT VERY, VERY WELL AND REALLY MAKE SOME GOOD DECISIONS AS WE MOVE FORWARD. COMMISSIONER OLLEY. OH, TWO QUICK CLARIFYING QUESTIONS, AND ONE OF THEM IS TO, I THINK IT WAS COMMISSIONER BENDER'S POINT. WE RECENTLY MADE DECISIONS, I'M THINKING AROUND JCPENNEY AND THE, THE HOTEL THAT'S BEEN BUILT AND THE ACCESS FOR ENTERTAINMENT SPACE AND OPEN SPACE AND WHAT HAVE YOU. I'M GOING TO ASSUME THAT WASN'T INCORPORATED INTO THIS BECAUSE IT'S NOT LIVE OPEN SPACE YET. OKAY. SECOND QUESTION. WHEN I LOOK AT THE STAKEHOLDER COUNT, THAT'S A COUNT BY COMPANY, RIGHT? SO, IF I SEE 11, IF YOU CAN GO BACK TO THE SLIDE THAT, THE CHART OR GRAPHS. SO, IF I SEE, YOU KNOW, FOUR RESPONDENTS IN PARKS AND GREEN SPACE, THAT'S FOUR COMPANIES, NOT FOUR INDIVIDUALS. NOT NECESSARILY. THERE WERE 14 SURVEY RESPONDENTS, AND THEY WERE OVERLAPPED. SO, SOME COMPANIES MAY HAVE HAD THREE RESPONDENTS FROM THAT COMPANY COMPLETE A SURVEY.

OTHERS MAY HAVE HAD NONE.

OKAY, SO WE REACHED OUT TO INDIVIDUALS WHO ARE WORKING FOR THE COMPANY, NOT NECESSARILY A COMPANY SPOKESPERSON WHO'S SPEAKING FOR THE COMPANY. NO, I THINK THE COMPANY EXECUTIVES WHO WE OFFERED INTERVIEWS TO DISTRIBUTED THAT TO OTHER KIND OF EXECUTIVES WITHIN THE TEAM. IT WASN'T NECESSARILY TO EMPLOYEES OF THE COMPANY. SO IF THAT'S THE CASE, THEN I WOULD ARGUE THIS BECOMES STATISTICALLY SIGNIFICANT. SO, FOR INSTANCE, IF I'M LOOKING AT THIS IN J.P. MORGAN, ACCORDING TO THIS RESPONDED TO INTERVIEW AND SURVEY PARTICIPANTS, THAT INDIVIDUAL IS RESPONDING ON BEHALF OF J.P. MORGAN AND THEIR 6,000 EMPLOYEES, RIGHT? SO IF YOU GOT 11 COMPANIES OUT OF THE 36 OR SO THAT ARE INDICATED HERE, THAT IS STATISTICALLY SIGNIFICANT, ESPECIALLY IF SOME OF THOSE COMPANIES ARE WEIGHTED HEAVILY IN TERMS OF THE INDIVIDUALS THAT ARE, QUITE FRANKLY, THE PRIMARY STAKEHOLDERS OF THAT SPACE. SO IF WE CAN GET SOME CLARIFICATION ON IF I'M UNDERSTANDING THAT CORRECTLY. I KNOW CAPITAL ONE DIDN'T RESPOND, BUT IF THEY HAD, THAT'S EIGHT THOUSAND PEOPLE THAT ESSENTIALLY THE COMPANY IS SAYING THIS IS THE VIEW REPRESENTATIVE OF OUR EMPLOYEES. SO THAT CLARIFICATION WILL HELP ME UNDERSTAND HOW I HOLD THAT PARTICULAR FEEDBACK AND CHART.

THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER. AND MARIUM HAD IT CORRECT. SO THE, THE STAKEHOLDER INTERVIEWS THEMSELVES WERE WITH, YOU KNOW, SELECT INDIVIDUALS THAT THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT DEPARTMENT HAD SORT OF CONTACT ON FILE WITH FOR SOME OF THESE COMPANIES. NOW, THE, THE SURVEY, THE STAKEHOLDER FEEDBACK THAT YOU'RE SEEING HERE, SORT OF QUANTIFIABLE DATA, WAS SOLICITED TO THEM, THE INDIVIDUALS THAT WE SPOKE WITH, AND, AND ALSO ASKED TO BE DISTRIBUTED. SO THAT'S WHY YOU'RE SEEING A LITTLE BIT OF A DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE STAKEHOLDER CONVERSATIONS AND THE NUMBER OF STAKEHOLDER RESPONDENTS WE HAD IN THEIR SURVEY. NO, NO, I UNDERSTAND THAT.

BUT IF YOU REACH OUT, I WORK FOR CAPITAL ONE. IF YOU REACH OUT TO CAPITAL ONE ASKING FOR AN EXECUTIVE'S FEEDBACK, NOTHING IS COMING OUT OF MY COMPUTER WITHOUT IT BEING VETTED BY LEGAL COMPLIANCE. IS IT REPRESENTATIVE OF IT'S NOT MY VIEW I'M PUTTING THERE. I PUT IN THE VIEW OF THE LARGER REPRESENTATION OF THE COMPANY. THAT'S WHAT I'M TRYING TO UNDERSTAND. WHAT AM I, WHAT AM I SEEING HERE? I UNDERSTAND, I UNDERSTAND. SO WHEN WE SPOKE WITH THEM IN PERSON AND, AND TO AN EXTENT, WHEN WE SOLICITED THESE RESPONSES, WE WERE ASKING THEM TO SORT OF KEEP THEIR, KEEP THEIR COMPANY HAT ON,

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AND WE DID. WE SHARED THESE LINKS WITH, WITH THE INDIVIDUAL COMPANIES.

NOW, AGAIN, WHETHER IT'S A LITTLE BIT DIFFICULT TO REALLY TIE DOWN THE EXACT INDIVIDUAL THAT WAS RESPONDING, SO WHETHER THE COMPANY DID OR DIDN'T, YOU KNOW, BLAST THAT OUT. I WILL SAY ALL OF THESE ONLINE FUNCTIONS WERE LIVE, YOU KNOW, FOR FOR AN EXTENDED PERIOD. THE IN-PERSON ENGAGEMENTS THAT WE, WE DID JUST TO GET VISIBILITY, THOSE WERE HELD DURING THE WEEK, DURING THE LUNCH HOUR, FOR THAT EXACT REASON. WE UNDERSTAND THAT WE WOULD HAVE GOTTEN SOMEWHAT OF A SKEWED RESPONDENT BASE IF WE WERE TO SHOW UP ON A SATURDAY AT LEGACY HALL, FOR EXAMPLE.

OKAY, THAT MAKES ME FEEL A LITTLE BETTER. OKAY, THANK YOU.

AND IF IT'S SOMETHING THAT YOU'D LIKE TO SEE US POTENTIALLY ADJUST MOVING FORWARD, THAT'S ALSO WHY WE'RE HERE TODAY. YOU KNOW, WE HAVE A WHOLE SORT OF SECOND WAVE OF ENGAGEMENT THAT'S DELIBERATELY, YOU KNOW, YOU KNOW, UNDER REVIEW RIGHT NOW ON HOW WE'RE GOING TO DO IT ON THE SECOND PHASE OF WORK.

SO WE'VE HEARD SOME GOOD RESPONDENTS HERE. IN MY MIND, ONE OF THE REASONS THAT COMPANIES COME TO LEGACY IS BECAUSE THEIR EMPLOYEES ARE HAPPIER THERE, RIGHT? AND THAT'S CERTAINLY WHAT WE'RE GOING FOR, RIGHT? AND SO IT SEEMS TO ME THAT IF WE WANT TO SEE WHAT THAT HAPPINESS INDEX IS, THERE'S NO BETTER WAY THAN BY ASKING THEM. AND SO I THINK THE MORE EMPLOYEE FEEDBACK WE CAN GET FROM THE MAJOR EMPLOYERS, THE BETTER. UNDERSTOOD. I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE BEST WAY TO DO THAT IS. THAT'S WHY WE HIRE YOU GUYS. THAT'S RIGHT.

BUT I, I THINK FROM MY PERSPECTIVE, I, I WOULD LOVE TO GET A REALLY GOOD STATISTICALLY SIGNIFICANT ENOUGH SAMPLE OF EMPLOYEES OVER THERE TO UNDERSTAND: I LIKE WORKING IN LEGACY BECAUSE; I DON'T LIVE IN LEGACY BECAUSE; I DO LIVE IN LEGACY BECAUSE; I WANT TO MOVE TO LEGACY WITH THEM, BUT I CAN'T FIND A HOUSE, OR I NEED A HOUSE, OR, YOU KNOW. I JUST BE CURIOUS AS TO, I THINK THAT MIGHT BE A REALLY ENLIGHTENING PIECE AS TO WHY THEY COME TO LEGACY VERSUS LOOKING FOR A JOB IN ONE OF OUR COMPETING, RIGHT, NEIGHBORS, RIGHT? WE COULD CERTAINLY PLACE AN EMPHASIS ON THAT AS WE MOVE INTO THE SECOND PHASE. SO, UNDERSTOOD. COMMISSIONER BENDER. THANK YOU, CHAIRMAN.

JUST ECHOING A COUPLE OF YOUR COMMENTS. A LOT OF THE EMPLOYERS IN LEGACY, YOU KNOW, THEY HAVE THEIR OWN BARISTA.

YOU DON'T HAVE TO LEAVE TO GO GET STARBUCKS, RIGHT? THEY HAVE A FULL-TIME BARISTA FOR TWO OR THREE FLOORS. THEY HAVE CAFETERIAS. THEY HAVE ONSITE STARBUCKS. THEY HAVE ALL SORTS OF DIFFERENT THINGS. AND I'M SURE THE EDC GUYS WOULD ALSO TELL YOU THAT, YOU KNOW, ONCE A COMPANY RELOCATES HERE, THEY HAVE, YOU KNOW, ONE, TWO, OR THREE FLOORS, AND THEY'VE BEEN THERE FOR FIVE YEARS, AND THEY RENEW FOR ANOTHER FIVE YEARS. THEIR EMPLOYEES TEND TO RELOCATE SO THAT THEY CAN COMMUTE TO LEGACY. SO WHEN IT COMES TIME AND THEY'RE BEING DRAGGED AWAY TO FRISCO, JUST NORTH OF 121 OR

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MAYBE OFFLINE WE CAN PROVIDE SOME INPUT BECAUSE I THINK THERE'S BETTER WAYS TO CAPTURE SOME OF THE INFORMATION THAT YOU'RE LOOKING FOR. IT'S ALSO INTERESTING WHEN THE PEOPLE TALK ABOUT OPEN SPACE, ENTERTAINMENT, AND MEETING PLACES. HAVING LIVED THERE FOR SIX AND A HALF YEARS, IT SOUNDS LIKE PEOPLE THAT HAVEN'T LIVED THERE BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE A FOOD HALL WITH AN ENTERTAINMENT VENUE.

WE HAVE MEETING ROOMS AND COMMUNITY ROOMS AND ALL SORTS OF THINGS THAT ARE THERE.

PEOPLE MAY JUST NOT KNOW ABOUT THEM. AND, AND SO PART OF THAT MAYBE IS A PR CAMPAIGN AS YOU MOVE FORWARD.

BUT THERE'S A LOT OF THOSE OPPORTUNITIES THERE. CHILD CARE, DOG PARKS. YOU KNOW, THE CITY HAS LAND RIGHT ACROSS FROM THE RENAISSANCE, ON THE WEST SIDE OF THE RENAISSANCE, BEHIND THE CAPITAL ONE BANK, THAT IS SET FOR A PARK. WE JUST DON'T HAVE IT IN THE BOND, RIGHT? BUT THERE'S A LOT OF THAT OPEN SPACE. WE ALSO HAVE OPEN SPACE THAT IS PRIVATE OPEN SPACE, WHERE IT'S THE CONDO AND THE, AND THE, YOU KNOW, APARTMENT HIGH-RISE, WHATEVER IT IS, AND THAT CAN ONLY BE USED BY THOSE RESIDENTS. SO THERE'S A LOT OF SPACE THERE. YOU JUST HAVE TO KNOW WHERE IT IS.

THANK YOU. COMMISSIONER ALALI.

I ACTUALLY, LIKE, I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THE OTHER PLANO RESIDENTS AND, YOU KNOW, LIKE, AND MAYBE THE SURROUNDING CITY ALSO POINT OF VIEW AND TO BE INCLUDED IN THIS SURVEY BECAUSE YOU'RE, LIKE, YOU'RE NOT BUILDING SOMETHING JUST FOR, YOU'RE LIKE, THE LEGACY WHO WORKS AND LIVES THERE BECAUSE YOU WANT TO ATTRACT OTHER PEOPLE ALSO TO THIS AREA, RIGHT? EMPLOYERS OR, YOU KNOW, LIKE, THOSE RETAIL ARE PROBABLY, THEY'RE NOT, YOU KNOW, LIKE, BENEFITING FROM THE PEOPLE WHO LIVE THERE OR WORK THERE.

MAYBE BECAUSE YOU'RE, LIKE, MAYBE THEY WERE, THEY GO AND SHOP SOMEWHERE ELSE. BUT, SO IT IS IMPORTANT TO ME, YOU KNOW, LIKE, TO SEE SOME, LIKE, THOSE 230, YOU KNOW, LIKE, FROM OTHER PLANO OR, YOU KNOW, LIKE, PROBABLY THE SURROUNDING AREA.

I ACTUALLY WORKED IN THE SHOPS AT LEGACY SOMETIME IN THE PAST WHEN IT WAS REALLY NEW, AND A LOT OF PEOPLE, YOU KNOW, I COULDN'T AFFORD TO LIVE IN THAT AREA, SO THEY WERE GOING TO THE SURROUNDING AREAS. SO I, YOU KNOW, LIKE, I SECOND THAT WE NEED, YOU LIKE, TO REVIEW THE HOUSING IN THAT AREA, BUT ALSO YOU'RE, LIKE, I WOULD LIKE TO SEE, LIKE, THE OTHER SURROUNDING AREA AND OTHER PEOPLE WHO SUPPORT, YOU LIKE, THE RETAIL, SUPPORTS THE RESTAURANTS IN THAT AREA TOO. THAT'S MY OPINION. THANK YOU.

COMMISSIONER TONG. THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN. SO I WANT TO, IF YOU COULD GO BACK TO THAT BAR CHART SLIDE, BECAUSE THAT CHART ACTUALLY TELLS A LOT OF DATA THAT WE DIDN'T QUITE CATCH EARLIER. I KIND OF WANT TO PIGGYBACK ON THE POINT THAT OUR COMMISSIONER BENDER MENTIONED, THAT, OKAY, WE HAVE SO MANY CHOICES AT LEGACY WEST. WHY THERE'S SUCH A HIGH DEMAND FROM EITHER BOTH THE COMMUNITIES AND THE STAKEHOLDERS SAYING THAT WE NEED DINING OPTIONS, WE NEED ENTERTAINMENT OPTIONS, WE NEED RETAIL SPACES, WE NEED GATHERING EVENT SPACES.

ISN'T LEGACY ENOUGH? LEGACY WEST ENOUGH? IT'S NOT, OKAY, BASED ON THE FEEDBACKS, RIGHT? THE REASONS ARE, FROM WHAT I HEARD OR FROM MY, I THINK, BECAUSE I HAVE A LOT OF FRIENDS WHO WORK IN THAT AREA, WHO LIVE IN THAT AREA. THEY DON'T GO TO LEGACY WEST FOR ONE REASON, PARKING. AND THE SECOND REASON, TOO EXPENSIVE.

FOR THE THIRD REASON, THERE ARE REALLY NOT THAT MANY CHOICES.

YEAH, THERE'S A FOOD HALL, BUT I MEAN ALL THE OTHER RESTAURANTS ARE REALLY HIGH-END, HIGH-END.

FOR A REGULAR 8-TO-5, YOU KNOW, WORKER AT TOYOTA, WOULD THEY BE ABLE TO AFFORD TO GO TO LUNCH AT TOMMY BAHAMA EVERY DAY, RIGHT? SO IT'S REALLY, THEY DON'T HAVE A LOT OF CHOICES. SO WE NEED, I WOULD LIKE TO RESPECT THE FEEDBACKS FROM THE COMMUNITY, FROM THE STAKEHOLDERS, AND LOOK INTO MAYBE MORE SURVEYS OR RESEARCH ON THESE DINING HIGH-DEMAND CATEGORIES: THE DINING OPTIONS, THE RETAIL OPTIONS, THE ENTERTAINMENT.

LIKE, I WOULD ACTUALLY WANT TO KNOW THE DISTANCES. HOW FAR WOULD THEY WANT TO GO FROM THEIR EMPLOYMENT TO WHERE THEY WANT TO HAVE LUNCH OR THEY WANT TO SHOP DURING LUNCH HOURS, OR THEIR LIFE CIRCLE? WOULD THAT BE TWO MILES, FOUR MILES? YOU KNOW, THIS IS A FOUR-MILE SQUARE, RIGHT? FIVE MILES SQUARE. SO HOW LONG WOULD YOU, WOULD YOU BE WILLING TO TRAVEL FOR ALL THESE AMENITIES? SO

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COMMISSIONER OLLEY. ALL RIGHT.

HERE'S MY FEEDBACK. I THINK WE AGREE IT'S PROBABLY A MODIFIED APPROACH TO ENGAGEMENT THAT GIVES US A LITTLE BIT MORE INSIGHT INTO HOW MUCH WEIGHT WE PUT TO THE RESPONDENT. IS THIS A COMPANY SPEAKING? IS THIS AN INDIVIDUAL SPEAKING? IS THIS A PERSON WHO LIVES IN, LIVES AND WORKS IN, COMMUTES FROM OUTSIDE? HOW FAR THEY COMMUTE? ALL OF THAT GOOD STUFF. I ACTUALLY THINK WE'RE MISSING SOMETHING WHERE WE ALMOST NEED TO DEFINE THE IDENTITY AND CHARACTER WE WANTED LEGACY WEST, OR WE WANT LEGACY WEST TO BE. RIGHT NOW IT FEELS, YES, THEY'RE THE SUB AREAS, BUT IT FEELS LIKE IT'S TRYING TO BE AT THE SAME TIME A HIGH-DENSITY, KIND OF LIKE DOWNTOWN VIBE FEEL, AND AT THE SAME TIME A MORE RESIDENTIALLY SUBURBAN-ADJACENT KIND OF FEEL. IT CAN'T BE BOTH.

WE NEED TO DEFINE WHAT IT IS WE WANT LEGACY WEST TO BE, ESPECIALLY IF IT'S KIND OF LIKE THE CROWN JEWEL OF PLANO. YOU KNOW, IS IT A DIAMOND OR RUBY? LET'S CHOOSE WHICH ONE. I THINK YOU HEARD ON TRANSPORTATION, SIMILAR TO HOW WE SAID PULL OUT ON A WIDER PLANO-CENTRIC VIEW, I THINK TRANSPORTATION SHOULD PULL OUT SIMILARLY.

WHAT DOES THE TRANSPORTATION SOLUTIONS THAT FEED INTO THE AREA? THEN THERE'S A DIFFERENT SOLUTION ON THE INTERNAL, TO WHAT COMMISSIONER BROUNOFF WAS KIND OF TALKING ABOUT, IS A DIFFERENT SOLUTION TO THE INTERNAL TRANSPORTATION NETWORK FOR THAT PARTICULAR, PARTICULAR SITE. AND LASTLY, I GET A LITTLE BIT OF HEARTBURN WHEN I HEAR PLAN AND THE RIGIDITY THAT THAT SEEMS TO INSINUATE. IF WE DID THIS PLAN IN 2018, 2019, WE WOULD HAVE SET OURSELVES UP FOR TROUBLE BECAUSE THE WORLD CHANGED, RIGHT? SO WHATEVER THE FINAL PLAN, GUIDELINES, WHATEVER IT MAY BE, SOME ATTEMPT TO MAKE IT BREATHABLE, FLEXIBLE, ADAPTABLE, KNOWING THAT THINGS CHANGE VERY QUICKLY. HOW OFFICE STOCK THAT WAS LIKE, YOU MUST GET IN A CERTAIN FORMAT FIVE YEARS AGO.

YOU KNOW, RIGHT NOW MOST EMPLOYERS ARE PROBABLY TRYING TO BUILD OFFICE STOCK THAT ATTRACTS FOLKS BACK INTO THE, INTO THE OFFICE, YOU KNOW, FIVE DAYS A WEEK VERSUS HYBRID OR WHATEVER THE CASE MAY BE. SO THOSE LARGER THEMES, I THINK, WOULD BE WHAT I'LL BE LOOKING FOR IN THE NEXT PHASE.

COMMISSIONER BENDER.

CHAIRMAN, I JUST HAD ONE OTHER QUESTION.

TO WHAT EXTENT WAS THE, AND THIS IS A QUESTION ABOUT GOVERNANCE, WAS THE LEGACY ASSOCIATION INCLUDED AS PART OF THIS? SO WE DID REVIEW, KIND OF THEIR EXISTING REVIEW CRITERIA AS PART OF THE EXISTING CONDITIONS ANALYSIS BUT IT WAS NOT SOMETHING THAT WAS, YOU KNOW, WE DIDN'T WORK WITH THEM THROUGH THE ENGAGEMENT PROCESS.

YOU KNOW, I WOULD ADD THAT THIS MAY NOT BE WELL KNOWN, BUT, RIGHT, THEY PROVIDE INFRASTRUCTURE MAINTENANCE AND THE LEGACY DEVELOPMENT, SO THEY'RE REALLY A KEY STAKEHOLDER, IN MY VIEW. THEY ALSO HAVE A PRETTY BIG STROKE WITH WHO IS ON THE BOARD AND REPRESENTS THINGS. SO I WOULD ENCOURAGE THAT THEY BE INCLUDED AND, YOU KNOW, THAT WE MAKE SURE AS WE MOVE FORWARD THAT WE HAVE THE RIGHT INPUT AND GOVERNANCE STRUCTURE FROM A CITY PERSPECTIVE TO DO WHAT NEEDS TO BE DONE.

GREAT. THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT. I THINK WE'VE ABOUT EXHAUSTED THIS. I'M GOING TO CLOSE WITH ONE THOUGHT.

THIS IS MY LAST ONE, AND THEN WE'LL, I'M GOING TO THROW IT TO Y'ALL AND ASK YOU ONE QUESTION.

I THINK COMMISSIONER OLLEY SAID IT EARLIER, AND SO I WANT TO BRING IT BACK AT THE END OF THE MEETING, IS THAT THE SUB AREAS, I THINK, ARE IMPORTANT. WHEN Y'ALL, ALL THIS IS FINISHED, THAT WE ALMOST ARE GOING TO LOOK AT EIGHT SUB AREA PLANS AS OPPOSED TO ONE GLOBAL PLAN BECAUSE THEY DO HAVE VERY DIFFERENT CHARACTERS. SO I PRESUME THAT AT SOME POINT THAT

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OKAY. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU ALL VERY MUCH. WE LOOK FORWARD TO SEEING YOU BACK AT SOME POINT AGAIN IN THE FUTURE. YOU'VE GOT A LOT OF WORK TO DO. THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT. THE NEXT ITEM ON THE AGENDA, COMMENTS OF PUBLIC INTEREST. DO WE HAVE ANYBODY REGISTERED TO SPEAK TONIGHT? NO, WE DO NOT. OKAY. AND THEN, I THINK MR. BELL, YOU HAD AN ANNOUNCEMENT. YES. JUST ONE QUICK ANNOUNCEMENT. I WANT TO INTRODUCE OUR NEWEST SENIOR PLANNER, MS. LILIANA MOREJON.

WAVE, PLEASE. SHE'S JOINING US FROM THE CITY OF ROWLETT.

WE'RE HAPPY TO HAVE HER.

WELCOME. ALL RIGHT. NO OTHER BUSINESS BEFORE THE COMMISSION TONIGHT. WE'LL STAND ADJOURNED AT 7:42 P.M.

* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.