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[CALL TO ORDER]
THE PLANING AND ZONING COMMISSION OF THE CITY OF PLANO.I'M CALLING MEETING TO ORDER AT 6:00 P.M.
IF ALL WOULD PLEASE RISE AND JOIN ME IN THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE.
>> ONE MOMENT. WE'RE HAVING A TECHNICAL DIFFICULTY.
>> THAT SOUNDS BETTER. THANK YOU.
WE DO HAVE THREE COMMISSIONERS ABSENT THIS EVENING.
COMMISSIONERS TONG, BENDER, AND ALI.
WE BELIEVE COMMISSIONER ALI IS ON HIS WAY.
HOPEFULLY, HE'LL JOIN US HERE SHORTLY.
[COMMENTS OF PUBLIC INTEREST]
>> COMMENTS OF PUBLIC INTEREST.
THIS PORTION OF THE MEETING IS TO ALLOW UP TO 3 MINUTES PER SPEAKER WITH 30 TOTAL MINUTES ON ITEMS OF INTEREST OR CONCERN AND NOT ON ITEMS THAT ARE ON THE CURRENT AGENDA.
THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION MAY NOT DISCUSS THESE ITEMS, BUT MAY RESPOND WITH FACTUAL OR POLICY INFORMATION.
PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION MAY CHOOSE TO PLACE THE ITEM ON A FUTURE AGENDA.
THE PRESIDING OFFICER MAY MODIFY THESE TIMES AS DEEMED NECESSARY.
WE HAVE ONE SPEAKER. MR. BOB PINE, WITH NTMHMNL.
>> GOOD EVENING, SIR. IF YOU'LL JUST STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD, PLEASE.
>> GOOD EVENING, CHAIRMAN RAFF AND THE COMMISSIONERS AND STAFF.
ESPECIALLY AM GLAD TO SEE MR. MIKE BELL SITTING HERE.
I MAKE PUBLIC PROFESSION RIGHT NOW THAT I FORGIVE HIM FOR ALL THE GRIEF HE'S CAUSED ME THROUGHOUT THE YEARS.
I LOOK FORWARD TO MR. DREW BRONER FOR RECONCILING ALL OF THAT GRIEF FOR ALL THESE YEARS.
ANYWAY, FOR THE RECORD, I'M BOB PANEL.
I'M A 45-YEAR RESIDENT OF PLANO, TEXAS, LIVING AT 3209 WINCHESTER ON THE WEST SIDE.
I'M ALSO A MEMBER OF PLANO MASONIC CLAUSE, NUMBER 768 AF AND AM.
I HAVE BEEN SINCE 1985 WHEN I AFFILIATED WHEN I MOVED HERE FROM SAN ANTONIO.
I'M A PAST MASTER AND THE CURRENT SECRETARY DIRECTOR OF ITS AFFILIATED NORTH TEXAS MASONIC HISTORICAL MUSEUM AND LIBRARY.
MY PURPOSE, MR. CHAIRMAN, TONIGHT, IS TO THANK NOT ONLY THE COMMISSION, BUT ESPECIALLY TO THANK YOUR FIRST VICE CHAIR, COMMISSIONER BRONSKI, WHO GRACED US TWO WEEKENDS, TWO SATURDAYS AGO WITH HIS LOVELY LADY WHEN WE CELEBRATED 100 YEARS OCCUPANCY OF POSSIBLY THE MOST NOTABLE DOWNTOWN HISTORIC LANDMARK AND DESIGNATED HERITAGE RESOURCE, THE MOREHOUSE PLANO LODGE BUILDING.
HE WAS THERE WHEN THE MAYOR GAVE US A PROCLAMATION AND EVEN SET THROUGH THE PRESENTATION, WHICH WAS A LONG HISTORY OF WHAT WE HAD DONE THERE FROM 1924 AND EVEN BEFORE UNTIL THE PRESENT DAY.
BUT WE THANK YOU THE COMMISSIONERS FOR DEDICATING YOUR TIME DEVOTING YOUR SERVICE THAT'S SOMETHING WE AS MASONS UNDERSTAND, AND BECAUSE OF YOU, YOU'VE MADE OUR LIFE BETTER.
OUR CITY PROMINENT, AND YOU MADE MASONRY POSSIBLE. THANK YOU.
THANK YOU, VICE CHAIR BRONSKI, AND TELL YOUR LOVELY LADY, SHE WAS AWFULLY GRACIOUS TO US BEFORE SHE LEFT.
YOU MADE OUR EVENING ENJOYABLE AND MADE IT A SUCCESS. THANK YOU, SIR.
>> THANK YOU FOR YOUR COMMENTS.
[CONSENT AGENDA]
>> CONSENT AGENDA. THE CONSENT AGENDA WILL BE ACTED UPON IN ONE MOTION AND CONTAINS ITEMS THAT ARE ROUTINE AND TYPICALLY NON-CONTROVERSIAL.
ITEMS MAY BE REMOVED FROM THIS AGENDA FOR INDIVIDUAL CONSIDERATION BY COMMISSIONERS YOUR STAFF.
>> COMMISSION, DOES ANYBODY LIKE TO REMOVE AN ITEM FROM THE AGENDA TONIGHT? ARE YOU GOING TO MAKE A MOTION? BEFORE WE GO TO A MOTION IN A SECOND, WE DO HAVE ONE REGISTERED SPEAKER, LUCILO PINA.
I THINK YOU MEANT TO REGISTER FOR ITEM ONE ON THE REGULAR AGENDA.
I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE BEFORE I DIDN'T CALL YOUR NAME.
WE WILL MOVE YOU TO THAT ITEM.
THANK YOU FOR CLARIFYING. ALL RIGHT. COMMISSIONER BRONSKI.
>> I MOVE WE APPROVE THE MINUTES AS SUBMITTED AND RECOMMENDED BY STAFF.
>> COMMISSIONER LICHEN FELTER. HANG ON. THERE WE GO.
NOW TRY AGAIN. CONSENT AGENDA.
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>> WE HAVE A MOTION IN A SECOND.
PLEASE VOTE. MOTION PASSES 5-0.
ITEMS FOR INDIVIDUAL CONSIDERATION.
[Items 1A & 1B]
>> ITEMS FOR INDIVIDUAL CONSIDERATION. PUBLIC HEARING ITEMS. UNLESS INSTRUCTED OTHERWISE BY THE CHAIR, SPEAKERS WILL BE CALLED IN THE ORDER REGISTRATIONS ARE RECEIVED.
APPLICANTS ARE LIMITED TO A TOTAL OF 15 MINUTES OF PRESENTATION TIME WITH A FIVE MINUTE REBUTTAL, IF NEEDED.
REMAINING SPEAKERS ARE LIMITED TO 30 TOTAL MINUTES OF TESTIMONY TIME WITH 3 MINUTES ASSIGNED PER SPEAKER.
THE PRESIDING OFFICER MAY MODIFY THESE TIMES AS DEEMED NECESSARY.
ADMINISTRATIVE CONSIDERATION ITEMS MUST BE APPROVED IF THEY MEET CITY DEVELOPMENT REGULATIONS.
LEGISLATIVE CONSIDERATION ITEMS ARE MORE DISCRETIONARY, EXCEPT AS CONSTRAINED BY LEGAL CONSIDERATIONS.
FOR NON PUBLIC HEARING ITEMS, THE PRESIDING OFFICER WILL PERMIT LIMITED PUBLIC COMMENT FOR ITEMS ON THE AGENDA NOT POSTED FOR A PUBLIC HEARING.
THE PRESIDING OFFICER WILL ESTABLISH TIME LIMITS BASED UPON THE NUMBER OF SPEAKER REQUESTS, LENGTH OF THE AGENDA, AND TO ENSURE MEETING EFFICIENCY AND MAY INCLUDE A TOTAL TIME LIMIT.
>> ITEM 1. WOULD YOU LIKE ME READ BOTH?
>> ITEM 1A AND 1B TOGETHER, PLEASE?
A REQUEST TO REZONE FROM AGRICULTURAL TO SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTS ATTACHED AND FOR A SPECIFIC USE PERMIT FOR A PRIVATE STREET SUBDIVISION ON ONE LOT ON 3.2 ACRES LOCATED ON THE SOUTHWEST CORNER OF WINDHAVEN PARKWAY AND RED WOLF LANE.
THIS ITEM WAS TABLED ON AUGUST 18, 2025.
PETITIONERS TRAMMEL CROW COMPANY NUMBER 43 ET AL.
THIS ITEM IS FOR LEGISLATIVE CONSIDERATION.
AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 2B, AUSTIN RANCH PHASE EIGHT ADDITION BLOCK A LOT ONE.
15 SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTS ATTACHED ON ONE LOT ON 2.3 ACRES LOCATED ON THE SOUTHWEST CORNER OF WINDHAVEN PARKWAY AND RED WOLF LANE.
ZONED AGRICULTURAL. THE APPLICANT IS TRAMMEL CROW COMPANY NUMBER 43 ET AL.
THIS ITEM IS FOR ADMINISTRATIVE CONSIDERATION, PENDING APPROVAL OF AGENDA ITEM 1A.
>> JUST FOR CLARIFICATION, YOU SAID ITEM 2B, I THINK YOU MEANT ITEM 1B.
>> JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE WE'RE ON THERE.
ITEM 1A AND 1B IS THE ONES WE'RE CONSIDERING. YES, SIR.
>> I JUST NOTICED ITEM 1A LISTS 3.2 ACRES, AND ITEM 1B SAYS 2.3 ACRES.
THE 3.2 ACRES IS FOR THE ZONING BOUNDARY.
TO THE CENTER LINE OF THE ADJACENT RIGHT OF WAYS, AND THEN THE CONCEPT PLAN JUST SHOWS FOR THE PROPERTY, WHICH IS 2.3 ACRES.
THANK YOU. STAFF PRESENTATION.
>> GOOD EVENING, COMMISSIONERS, MALI COIL, INTERIM LEAD PLANNER.
THE SUBJECT PROPERTY RELATED TO THESE ITEMS IS LOCATED AT THE SOUTHWEST CORNER OF WINDHAVEN PARKWAY IN RED WOLF LANE, AND HERE IS THE ASSOCIATED CONCEPT PLAN WITH THE ZONING PETITION, WHICH WE WILL GET INTO MORE DETAIL LATER.
ITEM 1A, THE ZONING PETITION INCLUDES A REQUEST TO REZONE THE SUBJECT PROPERTY FROM AGRICULTURAL TO TO AGRICULTURE TO SINGLE FAMILY ATTACHED, AS WELL AS A SPECIFIC USE PERMIT FOR A PRIVATE STREET SUBDIVISION.
ITEM 1B IS THE ASSOCIATED CONCEPT PLAN THAT IS A PART OF THIS REQUEST.
THE CONCEPT PLAN SHOWS 15 SINGLE FAMILY ATTACHED UNITS WITH DETACHED GARAGES ON A SINGLE LOT, WHICH YOU CAN SEE HERE, THE STARS REPRESENT EACH SINGLE FAMILY UNIT, AND THEN THE TRIANGLES ARE FOR THE RELATED DETACHED GARAGES.
PRIMARY ACCESS FOR THESE TOWN HOMES IS FROM A ONE WAY SLIP ROAD, PARALLEL TO WINDHAVEN PARKWAY, WHICH YOU CAN SEE THE ARROWS SHOWING THE DIRECTION OF THE ONE WAY ROAD.
THEN THE DETACHED GARAGES ARE SERVED BY AN ALLEY WHICH CONNECTS TO THE SLIP ROAD.
ALLEY ACCESS WILL CONNECT TO THE DRIVEWAY, SERVING THE ADJACENT MULTI FAMILY DEVELOPMENT TO THE WEST AS WELL.
THE PRIVATE STREET SUBDIVISION REQUIRES A SPECIFIC USE PERMIT REQUEST.
THE PRIVATE STREETS MUST BE DESIGNED THE SAME STANDARDS AS PUBLIC STREETS, WHICH ARE PROVIDED IN THE STREET DESIGN STANDARDS.
IT'S RECOMMENDED THAT ACCESS TO THE ALLEY BE GATED FROM THE ADJACENT PROPERTY TO THE WEST, AS WELL AS ADDITIONAL SETBACK REQUIREMENTS AND LANDSCAPING, WHICH ARE STIPULATIONS ALSO ASSOCIATED WITH THE SUP.
TO THE NORTH EAST AND SOUTH OF THE PROPERTY ARE EXISTING SINGLE FAMILY DETACHED NEIGHBORHOODS.
MULTI FAMILY USES ARE LOCATED TO THE WEST OF THE PROPERTY WITHIN THE CITY OF THE COLONY.
THE PROPOSED REZONING REQUEST WOULD PROVIDE
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A COMPATIBLE TRANSITION BETWEEN THE MULTIFAMILY DEVELOPMENT AND ADJACENT SINGLE FAMILY NEIGHBORHOODS.ADDITIONALLY, THE PLACEMENT OF HIGHER DENSITY SINGLE FAMILY ALONG MAJOR ARCHEO ROADWAYS IS CONSISTENT WITH THE TYPICAL NEIGHBORHOOD DESIGN SET FORTH IN THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
THE SUBJECT PROPERTY IS LOCATED WITHIN THE NEIGHBORHOODS CATEGORY OF THE FUTURE LAND USE MAP.
PER THE ANALYSIS OF THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, THE REQUEST TO REZONE THE SUBJECT PROPERTY FROM AGRICULTURAL TO SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTS ATTACHED IS CONSISTENT WITH THE DESCRIPTION OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD CATEGORY AS SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL IS SUPPORTED AS A PRIMARY USE WITHIN THESE AREAS.
THE DESCRIPTION OF THE CATEGORY EMPHASIZES THE NEED FOR A NEW RESIDENTIAL INFILL PRODUCTS TO BE WITHIN THE CONTENT TO FIT WITHIN THE CONTEXT OF THE SURROUNDING ENVIRONMENT.
THE LOCATION OF THIS DEVELOPMENT ALIGNS WITH THE TYPICAL NEIGHBORHOOD DESIGN RECOMMENDATION FOR LOCATING ATTACHED RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT ALONG MAJOR ROADWAYS AND NEIGHBORHOOD EDGES TO PROVIDE APPROPRIATE TRANSITIONS.
ADDITIONALLY, THE REQUEST WOULD BRING THE NEIGHBORHOOD CATEGORY CLOSER TO THE RECOMMENDED RANGE OF THE MIX OF USES, AND THE REQUEST IS IN ALIGNMENT WITH THE CHARACTER DEFINING ELEMENTS AS WELL.
OVERALL, THE REQUEST IS IN CONFORMANCE WITH THE COMPREHENSIVE PLANS, FUTURE LAND USE MAP, AND RELATED POLICIES.
AS FAR AS RESPONSES RECEIVED FOR THIS CASE, WITHIN THE SUBJECT PROPERTY, ONE RESPONSE IN SUPPORT OF THE ITEM WAS RECEIVED BY THE PROPERTY OWNER.
THEN WITHIN 200 FEET OF THE REQUEST, 12 LETTERS IN OPPOSITION WERE RECEIVED, WHICH REPRESENTS 3.5 ACRES OR 39.7% OF THE SURROUNDING PROPERTY.
OVERALL, 91 RESPONSES WERE RECEIVED, 90 OF THEM ARE WITHIN THE CITY OF PLANO, AND ONE OF THEM IS LOCATED OUTSIDE OF PLANO CITY LIMITS.
THAT'S EXCLUDING THE DUPLICATE RESPONSES INDICATED ON THIS SLIDE.
IN SUMMARY, THE PROPOSED SFA DISTRICT IS CONSISTENT WITH THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, AND THE SUP REQUEST FOR A PRIVATE STREET SUBDIVISION MEETS ALL REQUIREMENTS OF THE SUBDIVISION ORDINANCE AND STREET DESIGN STANDARDS.
LASTLY, THE ASSOCIATED CONCEPT PLAN MEETS ALL APPLICABLE REQUIREMENTS FOR THE SINGLE FAMILY ATTACHED DISTRICT.
STAFF IS RECOMMENDING APPROVAL FOR THE REZONING FROM AGRICULTURAL TO SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTS ATTACHED FOR APPROVAL AS SUBMITTED.
AND FOR THE SPECIFIC USE PERMIT FOR A PRIVATE STREET SUBDIVISION.
WE ARE RECOMMENDING APPROVAL SUBJECT TO ANY ACCESS TO ADJACENT PROPERTY TO THE WEST MUST BE GATED.
ANY STREET OR ALLEY MUST HAVE A MINIMUM SETBACK OF 15 FEET FROM THE SOUTHERN PROPERTY LINE, AND THE SETBACK MUST INCLUDE A 10 FOOT WIDE LANDSCAPE BUFFER, AND A MINIMUM SIX FEET TALL LANDSCAPE LANDSCAPE SCREEN WILL BE REQUIRED BETWEEN ANY STREET OR ALLEY AND RED WOLF LANE, AND NO ACCESS MAY BE PROVIDED TO RED WOLF LANE.
FOR ITEM 1B, WE'RE RECOMMENDING APPROVAL SUBJECT TO CITY COUNCIL APPROVAL OF THE RELATED ZONING CASE, AS WELL AS APPROVAL OF ANY VARIANCES TO THE INTERNATIONAL FIRE CODE BY PLAINTIFF FIRE RESCUE PRIOR TO SITE PLAN APPROVAL.
THANK YOU AND I'M AVAILABLE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS, AND THE APPLICANT HAS A PRESENTATION AS WELL.
>> THANK YOU. ONE QUICK QUESTION.
YOU SAID IN YOUR PRESENTATION THAT IT'S ADJACENT TO MULTIFAMILY.
BUT IN LOOKING AT THE SITE OUT THERE, IT LOOKS LIKE THIS EXACT SINGLE FAMILY ATTACHED PRODUCT IS NEXT DOOR.
IS THAT ZONED MULTI FAMILY, BUT IT'S DEVELOPED AS SINGLE FAMILY ATTACHED OR?
>> IT'S WITHIN A PLAN DEVELOPMENT WITHIN THE CITY OF THE COLONY.
IT'S INTERESTING BECAUSE TO THE IMMEDIATE WEST, THE PRODUCTS THERE MATCH VERY CLOSELY.
THERE ARE TWO PRODUCTS WITH DETACHED GARAGES, WHICH THE APPLICANT CAN TALK ABOUT MORE AS FAR AS COMPATIBILITY WITH THE PROPOSED DESIGN HERE.
THEN AS YOU GET CLOSER TO SAG LEAP DRIVE, THE BUILDINGS ALONG SAG LEAP DRIVE ARE MORE OF THE THREE STORY MORE MULTI FAMILY PROJECTS.
THERE'S DEFINITELY A TRANSITION BETWEEN THE LOWER DENSITY, BUT THEY'RE ALL ON THE SAME PROPERTY, SO YES.
>> THAT'S WHY I WAS ASKING ZONE.
THEY'RE ON THE SAME ZONING DISTRICT IS EVEN THOUGH IT'S DEVELOPMENT.
>> IS PRETTY LARGE IN THE COLONY.
I DON'T HAVE A COPY OF IT HERE WITH ME TODAY, BUT IT'S A PRETTY LARGE BOUNDARY.
I IMAGINE THERE'S QUITE A MIX OF DIFFERENT USES AND STUFF ALLOWED BY RIGHT IN THAT PLAN DEVELOPMENT.
>> BUT IS IT FAIR TO SAY THE PROPERTY RIGHT NEXT DOOR IS SIMILAR TO ONE IS PROPOSED, IS THAT CORRECT? THE APPLICANT CAN TALK MORE ABOUT THAT.
BUT AS FAR AS HEIGHT AND THE FORM OF THE PROJECTS, OF THE BUILDINGS JUST IMMEDIATELY TO THE WEST, I BELIEVE THAT IS VERY SIMILAR.
>> THANK YOU. COMMISSION. QUESTIONS FOR STAFF, COMMISSIONER BRONSKI.
>> ONE QUICK QUESTION. I NOTICED IN A LOT OF
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THE COMMENTS THAT THE PUBLIC MADE REFERENCED TRAFFIC STUDIES.AM I CORRECT IN UNDERSTANDING THAT ON PAGE 10 OF YOUR REPORT, THE TABLE AND THE PARAGRAPHS THAT IT INCLUDES IS REPRESENTATIVE OF A TRAFFIC STUDY?
>> A TRAFFIC STUDY WAS NOT REQUIRED TO BE CONDUCTED FOR THIS PROJECT BASED ON THE SIZE AND SCALE.
THOSE NUMBERS THAT WERE GENERATED BASED ON THE PROJECTS WERE GENERATED BY OUR TRAFFIC DIVISION HERE, AND THAT'S BASED ON THE AVERAGE AMOUNT OF TRIPS GENERATED FOR SIMILAR USES.
THOSE NUMBERS WERE NOT A RESULT OF A TRAFFIC STUDY, BUT A RESULT OF STAFF'S ANALYSIS.
>> I WASN'T SURE THE TERMINOLOGY, BUT I DID WANT TO, THAT YOU GUYS DID DO SOME EFFORT AS IT RELATES TO TRAFFIC THAT WOULD BE GENERATED BY THIS.
>> THANK YOU. COMMISSIONER BRUNOV.
I'M LOOKING AT THE GRAPHIC, THE CONCEPT PLAN, AND ITEM 1B.
IT SHOWS WHAT LOOKS LIKE TO BE A CURB CUT OR A MEDIAN CUT ALONG WINDHAVEN PARKWAY TO ALLOW WESTBOUND TRAFFIC ON WINDHAVEN TO MAKE A LEFT TURN INTO THE PROPERTY.
IS THAT MEDIAN CUT PRESENT AT THE MOMENT, AND IF IT'S NOT, WHO IS GOING TO BE RESPONSIBLE FOR PUTTING THAT IN?
>> COMMISSIONER BRUNOV, SORRY, I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE I UNDERSTAND YOUR QUESTION.
ON THE WESTERN SIDE OF THE PROPERTY, THERE'S AN ENTRYWAY FOR THE SLIP ROAD, AND THAT IS AN EXISTING MEDIAN OPENING TODAY FOR PEOPLE TO TURN INTO THE PROPERTY.
>> THANK YOU. COMMISSIONER LINGENFELTER.
>> I KNOW FIRE AND EVERY DEPARTMENT LOOKS AT THIS, BUT I WAS CONCERNED ABOUT THE 16 FOOT SLIP ROAD AND TRADITIONALLY, A FIRE LANE IS AT LEAST 20 FEET, 24 FEET.
HOW ARE THEY GETTING AROUND? WHAT IS GOING ON THERE?
>> FIRE IS ABLE TO GET ACCESS FROM WINDHAVEN.
>> THEY GOT SO THEY GOT A 150 FOOT HOSE LAY AROUND THE WHOLE BUILDING FR OM WINDHAVEN?
>> I BELIEVE THERE STILL NEEDS TO BE WORKED OUT.
I BELIEVE THAT THERE'S A HOSE VARIANCE THAT WILL NEED TO BE ACQUIRED FOR SITE PLAN APPROVAL, WHICH ISN'T UNCOMMON, BUT ADDITIONALLY, THERE WAS SOME COMMENTS ABOUT.
A FIRE HYDRANT NEEDS TO BE ADDED SOMEWHERE ON SITE, BUT FIRE INDICATED THAT ONLY A VARIANCE WOULD BE REQUIRED.
I GUESS THE FIRE HYDRANT WOULD BE ALONG WINDHAVEN SINCE THAT'S THE ONLY ACCESS THEY WOULD HAVE.
THEY CAN'T GET A FIRE TRUCK IN THAT AREA.
THOSE SLIPPERY ROAD THEY WON'T BE ABLE TO USE. I CAN TELL.
>> THAT WAS A CONCERN, OBVIOUSLY.
>> I HAVE ACTUALLY TWO QUESTIONS.
MY FIRST QUESTION IS, YOU LIKE THE HEIGHT LIMIT? IT'S GOING TO BE TWO STORIES?
>> I'M SORRY. IS IT THE HEIGHT LIMIT FOR THESE DETACHED HOUSES, IT'S GOING TO BE TWO STORIES ONLY.?
>> THE HEIGHT LIMIT THIS FOR THE SINGLE-FAMILY ATTACHED ZONING DISTRICT IS TWO STORIES OR 35 FEET IN HEIGHT.
YOU CAN'T HAVE ANYTHING TALLER THAN TWO STORIES OR TALLER THAN 35 FEET.
BUT THAT HEIGHT LIMIT IS THE SAME AS MANY OF THE SURROUNDING SINGLE FAMILY ZONING DISTRICTS IN THIS AREA.
>> THIS IS GOING TO BE FOR SINGLE FAMILY.
IS IT GOING TO BE LIKE PURCHASE OR FOR RENTS?
>> THE APPLICANT IS SHOWING THE PROJECT ON A SINGLE LOT, WHICH IS ALLOWED PER THE SINGLE FAMILY ATTACHED ZONING REQUIREMENTS.
MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT THESE WILL NOT BE FOR PURCHASE.
>> IT'S ON A SINGLE LOT, AND SO IT'LL BE MANAGED BY A SINGLE PROPERTY OWNER, SO I BELIEVE SO, YES, THE APPLICANTS CAN SPEAK MORE ON THAT?
>> INSPECTOR THE CITY'S ORDINANCE DOES NOT REGULATE FOR SALE OR FOR RENT IN THIS ZONING DISTRICT IN THE STYLE OF DEVELOPMENT.
THE APPLICANT COULD CHOOSE TO RENT OR TO SELL THEM.
>> YEAH, BECAUSE A LOT OF THE COMMENTS FROM THE NEIGHBORS, WHERE YOU LIKE ABOUT TRAFFIC AND EVERYTHING.
IF IT'S GOING TO BE LIKE FOR PURCHASE, SINGLE FAMILY, IT'S JUST LIKE ANY OTHER SINGLE FAMILY AROUND THEM, RIGHT?
>> RIGHT, THE TRAFFIC GENERATION WOULD BE THE SAME IF IT WAS A SINGLE FAMILY.
IF THEY WERE INDIVIDUAL LOTS OR THEY WERE DEVELOPED AND ONE LOT ADDRESS. WOULD BE THE SAME.
>> ALL RIGHT. PLEASE NOTE THAT COMMISSIONER ALI HAS JOINED US, WELCOME.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OF STAFF? SEEING NONE, LET ME OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING.
THEN I BELIEVE THE APPLICANT HAS A PRESENTATION,
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AND I THINK WE HAVE TWO DIFFERENT SPEAKERS REGISTERED FROM THE APPLICANT.>> GOOD EVENING. MY NAME IS SCILO PENE.
I RESIDE AT 1722 ROTH STREET, SUITE 770, DALLAS 75201.
I WANT TO START OFF WITH HOW WE APPROACHED THIS PROJECT TO BEGIN WITH.
BUT SOME QUESTIONS WERE ASKED ABOUT COMPATIBILITY AND WHAT WE HAD IN MIND IN TERMS OF APPROACHING IT.
IF YOU LOOK AT THE PROPERTY TO THE WEST THAT IS IN THE CITY OF THE COLONY, IT IS ALL ZONE MULTI FAMILY.
OUR APPROACH WAS TO PUT THE HIGH DENSITY BUILDINGS AWAY FROM RED WOLF ESTATES AND THE SINGLE FAMILY.
ALL THE BUILDINGS WENT AS FAR TO THE WEST AS WE COULD ON THE STREET, AND EVERYTHING THAT IS ADJACENT TO THE EXISTING SINGLE FAMILY.
THE BUILDINGS THAT YOU SAW OUTLINE, WERE ACTUALLY ONE STORY GARAGES THAT ACT AS A BUFFER TO THE SINGLE FAMILY.
THEN ON THE NORTH SIDE FACING WINDHAVEN, THE TWO BUILDINGS THAT YOU SEE BUILT THERE, THEY ARE TWO STORY BRICK BUILDINGS THAT ARE TOWN HOMES, AND THEY ARE FOR RENT.
OUR INTENT WAS TO CONTINUE THE STYLE AND THE PRODUCT TYPE OF THE TWO STORY TOWN HOMES ALONG WINDHAVEN IN THIS SECTION OF PLANO.
THAT WAS THE OVERALL APPROACH THAT WE COULD HAVE BUILT THREE STORY BUILDINGS MUCH CLOSER TO THE SINGLE FAMILY, AND WE DELIBERATELY OR INTENTIONALLY DIDN'T JUST BEING SENSITIVE TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
THAT IS WHAT WE ARE PROPOSING.
WE HAVE BEEN WORKING ON THIS FOR QUITE SOME TIME, AND OVER THE SUMMER, MET TWICE WITH THE HOAS REPRESENTED IN THE VARIOUS NEIGHBORHOODS TO GET THEIR FEEDBACK IN TERMS OF WHAT THEY WANTED AND WHAT THEY DIDN'T.
WE GOT A LONG LIST OF THEIR PREFERENCES.
BUT LET ME JUMP INTO THE LIST OF WHAT THEY REQUESTED.
THEY WANTED TO REDUCE THE DENSITY SOMEWHAT.
THE DENSITY HERE IS 6.49 UNITS PER ACRE.
WE STARTED OUT WITH 16 UNITS ON FOUR BUILDINGS, AND WE NOW HAVE 15 UNITS ON THREE BUILDINGS.
ON THE ROADS, THIS SEEMED TO BE THE BIGGEST CONCERN FOR ALL THE RESIDENTS, WHICH WAS CLOSING ACCESS TO RED WOLF ESTATE.
THEIR CONCERN THAT THE TRAFFIC IS VERY HEAVY ON WINDHAVEN, AND THAT THEY DIDN'T WANT PEOPLE FROM THE MULTI FAMILY CUTTING ACROSS TO RED WOLF TRYING TO AVOID THE TRAFFIC.
AFTER GOING BACK AND FORTH WITH THE CITY IN TERMS OF TRAFFIC AND CIRCULATION, WE AGREED TO CLOSE OFF ALL ACCESS TO RED WOLF ESTATE.
THAT WAS THE SECOND ITEM THAT THEY HAD REQUESTED.
IN ADDITION TO THAT, THERE WAS A CONCERN OVER HEIGHT LIMIT.
AS WAS EXPLAINED EARLIER, SFA ALLOWS TWO STORIES OR 35 FEET.
WE HAVE AGREED TO SELF RESTRICT THE TOWN HOMES TO 25 FEET SO THAT WE WILL NOT BE USING PITCH ROOFS.
THIS ADDS TO THE COST BECAUSE FLAT ROOFS ARE MORE EXPENSIVE, BUT IT'S IN THE SPIRIT OF THE TOWN HOMES WE HAVE ALREADY BILL, AND WE HAVE AGREED TO ADD THE ADDITIONAL RESTRICTION OF 25 FEET INSTEAD OF 35 FEET.
IN ADDITION TO THAT, IT WAS REQUESTED BY THE RED WOLF ESTATE ASSOCIATION TO BUILD A 12 FOOT FENCE ALONG THE SOUTH EDGE OF THE PROPERTY.
NUMBER ONE, THIS IS IN VIOLATION OF THE CITY CODE, WHICH ALLOWS A MAXIMUM OF EIGHT FEET.
SOMEBODY ON RED WOLF ESTATES ON THE SOUTHWEST CORNER HAS BUILT A 12 FOOT FENCE NEXT TO OUR PROPERTY.
THIS IS IN VIOLATION OF THE CITY CODE AND SHOULD BE TAKEN DOWN.
THEREFORE, WE DID NOT AGREE TO BUILD A 12 FOOT FENCE.
IN ADDITION TO THAT, THEY REQUESTED A 20 FOOT LANDSCAPE BUFFER ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF THE TOWN HOMES.
WE HAVE PROVIDED IN THE LANDSCAPE A 15 FOOT LANDSCAPE BUFFER PLUS AN ALLEY.
THERE IS A LARGER BUFFER, BUT 15 FEET OF THAT IS LANDSCAPE.
IN ADDITION, THERE WAS A LOT OF CONCERN ABOUT GARBAGE AND DUMPSTERS.
WE HAVE PROVIDED A LOCATION FOR DUMPSTERS ON THE SITE AS REQUIRED BY CODE FOR THE CITY OF PLANO.
IT IS FULLY OUR INTENT TO SERVICE THIS FROM THE MULTI FAMILY SIDE AND NOT HAVE ANY DUMPSTERS OR GARBAGE ON THIS SITE.
IT WILL BE HANDLED BY THE ADJACENT SITE.
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I KNOW THAT YOU CAN'T CONTROL THAT, AND THEREFORE, WE'RE PROVIDING THE SITE FOR THE DUMPSTERS, BUT IT IS OUR INTENT NOT TO HAVE THAT THERE.THOSE ARE THE MAIN HIGHLIGHTS.
I THINK WE ADDRESSED A LOT OF THE CONCERNS, BUT I THINK THAT THERE'S JUST AN OBJECTION TO ANYTHING THAT IS IN SINGLE FAMILY ON THIS SITE, DETACHED SINGLE FAMILY.
BUT OTHER THAN THAT, THE MAIN CONCERNS, WHICH WE TRAFFIC, HEIGHTS, LANDSCAPE, BUFFER GARBAGE, ETC, HAVE ALL BEEN ADDRESSED.
>> I'M HERE TO ANSWER ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS, AND I THINK THERE'S OTHER PEOPLE.
MISS CORRELL, DO YOU HAVE THE AERIAL THAT SHOWS THE MASSING OF THIS PRODUCT TYPE WITH THE EXISTING PROPERTY? LET ME SEE IF IT'S FURTHER TOWARDS THE END OF THIS PRESENTATION?
>> YES. I BELIEVE IF YOU KEEP IT.
>> CAN YOU CLICK FORWARD OR? SORRY, MY APOLOGIES. THERE YOU GO.
THIS WAS THE STYLE THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT, BUT RIGHT NOW IT'S PRETTY MUCH GOING TO BE ALONG WHAT IS ON THE BOTTOM LEFT IN TERMS OF THE BRICK TOWN HOMES.
THESE ARE THE UNIT PLANS OF WHAT WE'RE PROPOSING.
THIS IS A SECTION SHOWING THE TOWN HOMES ITSELF.
ON THE LEFT WOULD BE WINDHAVEN, ON THE RIGHT WOULD BE RED WOLF ESTATES.
YOU CAN SEE THE GARAGE, WHICH HAS THE PITCH ROOF AND THE TOWN HOMES ON THE LEFT.
YOU CAN SEE WHERE THE HEIGHTS ARE.
THIS IS AN AERIAL THAT SHOWS THE EXISTING TOWN HOMES THAT ARE BUILT IN THE BACK AND THEN THE THREE NEW BUILDINGS THAT ARE FIVE UNITS EACH.
THAT GIVES YOU A SENSE OF WHAT THE OVERALL MASSING IS.
HERE'S ONE MORE LOOKING AT IT FROM THE OTHER SIDE, WHERE WE ARE KEEPING THE LANDSCAPE BUFFER TO THE SOUTH AND CREATING AN ADDITIONAL DISTANCE JUST TO TRY TO KEEP AS MANY OF THE EXISTING TREES AS POSSIBLE.
I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.
>> ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU COMMISSION.
QUESTIONS OF THE APPLICANT, MR. BRONSKI.
>> I'VE GOT ONE QUESTION, AND I'VE BEEN LOOKING AT THIS AND I'VE VISITED THE SITE.
IN LOOKING AT THIS WHOLE THING GOING TOGETHER, I UNDERSTAND THAT THERE'S A LOT OF TRAFFIC THAT GOES ALONG WINDHAVEN TO MIDWAY.
THE THING THAT WORRIES ME MOST IS THE 52 FEET BETWEEN THE SLIP ROAD AND RED WOLF LANE.
HAVE YOU HAD ANY THOUGHT ABOUT THE TRAFFIC THAT MAY TAKE YOUR SLIP ROAD TO TRY TO GET IN FRONT OF OTHERS TO THEN TRY TO WEDGE THEMSELVES IN BEFORE THEY'RE TRYING TO GET TO MIDWAY?
>> WELL, WE HAVE DISCUSSED THIS AT LENGTH WITH THE CITY STAFF IN PARTICULAR, BECAUSE THERE WERE A LOT OF CONCERNS FROM ENGINEERING.
ONE OF THE SOLUTIONS WAS TO MAKE THE LOOP AROUND THE SITE ONE WAY SO THAT PEOPLE WOULDN'T BE GETTING IN, AND WE ENDED UP DOING IT ALL CLOCKWISE.
BUT WHEN WE AGREED TO CLOSE OFF ACCESS TO RED WOLF, THIS WAS ONE OF THE CONCERNS THAT CAME UP, AND WE FEEL COMFORTABLE WITH THE SOLUTION THAT WE CAME UP WITH STAFF.
>> MY CONCERN IS JUST SOMEBODY HEADING THAT DIRECTION ON WINDHAVEN, AND TRYING TO CUT AROUND FIVE OR SIX CARS AND THEN WEDGE THEMSELVES BACK IN WITH 52 FEET BETWEEN THAT NEXT STREET WHEN WINDHAVEN IS CROWDED.
I JUST WANTED TO CLARIFY MY UNDERSTANDING OF HOW THAT WORKED OUT FOR YOU. THANK YOU.
>> PARDON. JUST SO THE COMMISSION AND THE APPLICANT IS AWARE WE DO HAVE ONE OF OUR SENIOR TRAFFIC ENGINEERS, CHAD OSTRANDER HERE AS WELL.
IF YOU HAVE ANY TRAFFIC QUESTIONS SPECIFICALLY FOR THE CITY, WE CAN ALSO ANSWER TRAFFIC QUESTIONS.
>> I WAIT TILL OUR TURN AROUND.
>> ALSO, AND I'LL PROBABLY TALK WITH TRAFFIC BECAUSE THAT IS PROBABLY MY BIGGEST CONCERN, WHICH I ALLUDED TO EARLIER WITH THE FIRE LANE ISSUE OR VERY NARROW DRIVING.
YOU'VE GOT 10 FOOT ALLEYS, 16 FOOT THAT SLIP ROAD, AS WELL AS WHAT COMMISSIONER BRONSKI, YOU TALKED ABOUT BEING 52 FEET FROM ANOTHER ROADWAY, ESSENTIALLY.
THAT'S PRETTY TIGHT FROM AN ENGINEERING BACKGROUND.
I HAVE A LOT OF CONCERN WITH SOME OF THAT.
I KNOW THEY ALLUDED TO, MAYBE YOU'RE ALREADY TALKING ABOUT FIRE ACCESS, FIRE HOSE LAY, TYPICALLY HAVE 150 FOOT HOSE LAY THAT SHOULD COVER THE ENTIRE BUILDING.
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HOW ARE YOU GETTING THROUGH THAT?>> THE FIRE ACCESS IS FROM WINDHAVEN AS WAS EXPLAINED EARLIER, AND THAT IS BEING MET.
WE STUDIED TWO DIFFERENT OPTIONS ON THIS.
ONE WAS HAVING THE SLIP ROAD IN THE FRONT, AND THE OTHER ONE WAS NOT HAVING A SLIP ROAD AT ALL IN THE FRONT AND JUST CREATING A LOOP THAT ENTERED FROM THE NORTH NORTHWEST WENT DOWN TO THE ALLEY SO THAT THE RESIDENTS AND ANY VISITORS CAN PARK IN THE BACK, AND THEN WOULD COME OUT AT THE NORTH EAST CORNER.
IF YOU LOOK AT THE EXISTING TOWN HOMES, THEY HAVE LANDSCAPING IN THE FRONT, THEY DON'T HAVE A SLIP ROAD.
WE PROPOSED BOTH OPTIONS AND WENT BACK AND FORTH WITH THE CITY.
OUR CONCERN IS REALLY GETTING THE ACCESS TO THE GARAGES IN THE BACK.
>> WHAT PREVENTED YOU FROM JUST PULLING THE BUILDINGS FORWARD TOWARDS WINDHAVEN, AND IS HAVING, LIKE YOU JUST DESCRIBED A LOOP THAT WENT AROUND THE BACK AND A DUAL DRIVE BACK THERE THAT WOULD BE WIDER, THAT WOULD SERVE THE GARAGES, AS WELL AS A PROPER FIRE LANE.
>> THE CITY THE CITY HAS A REQUIREMENT THAT WE DO NOT ALLOW RESIDENTIAL UNITS TO FRONT DIRECTLY ON A ROAD AS BIG AS WINDHAVEN.
THE SLIP ROAD AND THE ALLEY ARE DESIGNED TO MEET OUR STREET DESIGN STANDARDS WITH THE WIDTHS AS WELL.
>> I ALSO ANOTHER QUESTION, YOU TALKED ABOUT A FLAT ROOFS.
DO YOU INTEND TO PUT AC UNITS ON THE TOP OF THE ROOF? I SAW THERE WAS A PARAPET.
I COULDN'T TELL BY YOUR DRAWING HOW TALL THAT PARAPET IS, BUT I ASSUME IT'S SCREENING POTENTIALLY AC UNITS.
WHAT ARE WE TALKING ABOUT THERE?
>> THE AC UNITS WILL NOT GO ON THE ROOF, THEY WILL BE ON THE GROUND.
WE ARE LIMITING IT TO 25 FEET.
THE PARAPET WILL BE VERY LIMITED BECAUSE AT 25 FEET, YOU'RE LOOKING TEN FOOT FLOOR TO FLOOR, TWO FEET OF STRUCTURE.
YOU'RE PROBABLY HAVING MAXIMUM, A 1 FEET PARAPET.
RESTRICTING TO 25 FEET IS A BIG CONCESSION GOING FROM 35, WHICH IS ALLOWED BY SFA DOWN TO 25 FEET.
>> I WAS DOING THE MATH I WAS LIKE, YOU'RE NOT GOING TO HAVE MUCH ROOM FOR 25 FEET TO SCREEN ANYTHING.
I'M PICTURING A BUNCH OF AC UNITS SITTING ON TOP OF THIS.
>> THE ONES THAT ARE BUILT, THEY'RE ON THE GROUND AS WELL.
>> I THINK THE THREE ISSUES HERE, ONE, I THINK WE'RE GOING TO HAVE THE TRAFFIC ENGINEER COMMENT ON THAT ISSUE.
I'M TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHERE YOUR IS TRASH COLLECTION.
IF YOU GO LOOK AT THE SITE THERE, WHERE WOULD THAT BE? I WAS TRYING TO LOOK AT IT ON A CONCEPT PLAN, BUT I COULDN'T QUITE PICK IT OUT.
>> TRASH COLLECTION IS ALONG THE ALLEY, THERE'S THOSE BUMP OUTS.
>> THOSE ARE FOR RESIDENTIAL CART SERVICE.
>> THAT'S FOR RESIDENTIAL CART SERVICE.
>> THE BUMP OUTS ARE IN BETWEEN THE GARAGES.
>> IS THERE A CONCERN THAT PUTS TRASH COLLECTION CLOSER TO THE SINGLE-FAMILY DETACHED?
>> THE REQUIREMENT FOR THE CART SERVICE BUMP OUTS WERE PER CITY'S COMMENTS SO THAT THERE WAS ENOUGH ROOM TO HAVE CART SERVICE PROVIDED POTENTIALLY IN THE FUTURE.
HOWEVER, THE PROPERTY HAS INDICATED THAT THEY ARE ELECTING TO DO THEIR OWN PRIVATE TRASH COLLECTION AS RELATED TO THE ADJACENT PROPERTY TO THE WEST.
MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT THEY DO NOT PLAN ON UTILIZING THOSE BUMP OUTS.
HOWEVER, WE ARE REQUIRING THEM SO THAT THERE IS ENOUGH ROOM TO HAVE CARTS NOT BLOCK THE DRIVEWAYS.
>> IF THERE'S A SITUATION WHERE ITS CITY PROVIDED TRASH COLLECTION, ARE WE CONFIDENT THAT THE ALLEYWAY HAS ENOUGH SPACE TO GO IN AND OUT TO DO ALL THAT?
>> YES, THIS DESIGN WAS EVALUATED BY OUR ENVIRONMENTAL HEALTH DEPARTMENT AND GIVEN THE GREEN LIGHT.
>> THANK YOU. ARE ALL THESE UNITS GOING TO BE TWO BEDROOM UNITS?
>> NO THERE ARE 10 TWO-BEDROOM UNITS AND 5 THREE-BEDROOM UNITS.
>> I'M LOOKING AT THE CONCEPT PLAN AND IT SHOWS THE DETACHED GARAGES.
HOW MANY PARKING SPACES IN THE GARAGE ARE YOU ALLOWING FOR EACH UNIT?
>> THERE ARE TWO SPACES PER UNIT ALL THE UNITS ALLOW FOR TANDEM PARKING.
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YOU CAN SEE IT ON THE SITE PLAN AND THAT'S COVERED IN THE GARAGE.COVERED PARKING IN THE GARAGE?
>> YES. BUILDING 3, IT LOOKS LIKE THE BUILDINGS ARE OR RATHER THE INDIVIDUAL UNITS IN THAT BUILDING ARE A LITTLE NARROWER, BUT LONGER COMPARED TO THE UNITS IN BUILDINGS ONE AND TWO, IS THAT CORRECT?
>> YES. THOSE ARE WHERE THE THREE STORY.
>> THOSE ARE WHERE THE THREE BEDROOM UNITS ARE, WHICH IS THE REASON THAT YOU HAVE A DIFFERENT FLOOR PLAN THERE.
>> DO YOU HAVE A HANDLE ON WHAT THE RENT STRUCTURE IS GOING TO BE?
>> YES. I DON'T HAVE IT IN FRONT OF ME, BUT AT THE TIME, THE HOA HAD REQUESTED WHAT THE RENT WAS, WHAT THE OCCUPANCY WAS, WHAT THE TURNOVER WAS, AND WE GAVE THEM ALL THE INFORMATION.
ESSENTIALLY, THESE UNITS, THERE ARE NOT A LOT OF THESE UNITS AROUND SO WHEN THEY RENT, THEY DON'T HAVE A LOT OF TURNOVER.
THE RESIDENTS TEND TO STAY THERE IT'S A PRETTY STABLE.
THERE WAS A LOT OF CONCERN OF YOU COULD GET A LOT OF ROOMMATES MOVING IN AND CREATE A TRAFFIC PROBLEM.
WE GAVE THEM ALL THE NUMBERS OF WHAT WE ARE SEEING IN TERMS OF THE OCCUPIED UNITS, AND THAT IS NOT THE CASE.
OUR INTENT IS THAT THESE WOULD PROBABLY BE RENTING AT ABOUT CALL IT 225 A SQUARE FOOT SO YOU WOULD HAVE TO HAVE A FAIRLY HIGH INCOME IN ORDER TO RENT IN ONE OF THESE TOWN HOMES.
>> WHAT IS THE SQUARE FOOTAGE OF THE TWO BEDROOM IN THE THREE BEDROOM UNITS?
>> DO YOU REMIND ME WHAT I KNOW OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD.
>> IF YOU WANT TO COME DOWN AND ADD TO THE PRESENTATION, THAT WOULD BE GREAT.
>> IF YOU'D STATE YOUR NAME AS WELL, PLEASE.
>> GOOD EVENING. JUAN TORRES, 2152 SPRING WOOD IN CARLTON, TEXAS 75006.
TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION, THE TWO BEDROOM UNIT HAS A NET RENTABLE SQUARE FOOTAGE OF 1355 SQUARE FEET.
THE THREE BEDROOM TOWNHOME UNITS ARE 1,701 SQUARE FEET NET.
THAT'S USUALLY WHAT WE USE AS AN INDICATOR FOR AGAINST RENT.
>> THESE ARE MORE THAN $3,000 A UNIT?
>> 3,894 FOR THE THREE BEDROOMS.
>> IF YOU'D LIKE TO STEP FORWARD, MISS BILLINGSLEY AND INTRODUCE YOURSELF, PLEASE.
>> I HATE TO BE LEFT OUT OF THE CROWD.
LUCY BILLINGSLEY, 1722 ROTH STREET AND IT'S TYPICAL IN STUDYING THE COST OF RENT TO SAY, WHAT IS THAT RELATIVE TO SOMEONE'S INCOME AND THE STRIKE POINT IS USUALLY 28%.
I JUST LOST IT THREE TIMES 2.25 EQUALS TIMES 12 THAT'S $36,000 A YEAR IN RENT.
SOMEONE'S SALARY SHOULD BE ABOUT $130,000 FOR THE TWO BEDROOM.
>> WHILE I'M AT THE MIC, MIGHT I SAY THAT WE APPRECIATE AND RESPECT AND AGREE WITH MANY OF THE COMMENTS THAT YOU ALL HAVE BEEN MAKING ABOUT LANDSCAPING AND THE ROAD AND THE CIRCULATION.
WE'VE COME TO THE CONCLUSIONS WHERE WE ARE, FIRST OFF, TO RESPECT NO ACCESS TO RED WOLF AND SECOND, EVERYTHING ELSE IS DRIVEN BY THE CITY, WHAT THE CITY'S STANDARDS ARE.
WE'RE DOING ALL THESE STEPS STRICTLY TO BE IN COMPLIANCE. THANK YOU.
>> GREAT. MR. BRUNOV, DO YOU HAVE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? COMMISSION, ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OF THE APPLICANT? MR. BRONSKI?
>> SOME OF THE CONCERNS ABOUT THESE PROPERTIES ARE THE LONG-TERM YOU'RE A LONG TERM PLAYER IN THE CITY, IS THAT FAIR TO SAY? IS IT MY UNDERSTANDING THAT THIS IS NOT SOMETHING YOU PLAN ON TURNING OVER IT'S SOMETHING YOU PLAN ON MAINTAINING.
WE BOUGHT THIS PROPERTY OVER PROBABLY 40 YEARS AGO NOW, AND THE PROPERTY IS ACTUALLY OWNED BY OUR CHILDREN WHO ARE IN THE BUSINESS, SO WE ARE MULTI GENERATIONAL LONG-TERM PLAYERS AND HAVE OWNED THE DEVELOPMENT NEXT DOOR SINCE WE BUILT IT?
>> THANK YOU VERY MUCH I JUST WANTED TO GET THAT.
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>> ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OF THE APPLICANT? NOT SEEING ANY. THANK Y'ALL VERY MUCH.
>> WE HAVE OTHER SPEAKERS REGISTERED?
>> WE DO HAVE TWO MORE REGISTERED SPEAKERS.
THE FIRST IS BIANCA MARTINEZ OF MIDWAY PARK HOMEOWNERS ASSOCIATION, FOLLOWED BY TATIANA RAMIREZ.
PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS.
>> FIRST TIMER, SO GO EASY ON ME HERE.
THIS IS VERY INTERESTING TO WATCH UNFOLD, AND I HAVE A LOT OF RESPECT FOR WHAT YOU GUYS DO.
MY NAME IS BIANCA MARTINEZ, 6009 MADERA COURT. LET'S SEE.
ACTUALLY NOW THAT I KNOW THERE'S TECHNOLOGY INVOLVED, TO GIVE YOU A LITTLE BIT OF PERSPECTIVE.
LET'S SEE, THAT WAS A REALLY GOOD ONE HERE A SECOND AGO.
WHEN YOU'RE LOOKING AT THIS DIAGRAM, AND HERE I AM GOING ROGUE, I BROUGHT THE PAPER I TRIED.
BUT SO BASICALLY, I'M THE PRESIDENT OF THE HOA THAT YOU WILL SEE IN THIS DIAGRAM THAT IT'S ALMOST MY BACKYARD, UPPER LEFT QUADRANT THERE.
OUR PERSPECTIVE IS VERY DIFFERENT FROM EVERYONE ELSE YOU'RE GOING TO HEAR TONIGHT.
ESSENTIALLY, WE ARE PROBABLY THE LEAST AFFECTED BY ANY OF THIS REDEVELOPMENT, REDZONING.
BUT I WILL SAY, I THINK THAT GIVES US A UNIQUE PERSPECTIVE TO LOOK AT THIS OBJECTIVELY AND SAY, HEY, WE'VE ALL LOOKED AT THIS PLOT OF LAND FOR QUITE A WHILE NOW AND SAID WHAT'S GOING TO COME WITH THAT? AS I'VE LEARNED MORE, I'VE SPOKEN WITH MOLLY AND CHAD AND EVERYONE REALLY AND GOTTEN TO KNOW, THE BILLINGSLEYS.
IT'S APPARENT NOW THAT IT'S ALMOST IN OUR BEST INTEREST TO LOCK THIS IN WITH PEOPLE THAT ARE WILLING TO WORK WITH US.
YOU'LL SEE TOO THAT OUR NEIGHBORHOOD, WE DON'T HAVE ACCESS.
WE HAVE AN ALTERNATIVE ENTRANCE AND EXIT INTO OUR NEIGHBORHOOD ON MIDWAY SO WE DON'T EVEN NEED TO GO THROUGH THE CRAZINESS OF AUSTIN RANCH, FORGIVE ME FOR SAYING THAT, BUT WE'RE A LITTLE BIT LESS AFFECTED ON THE DAY TO DAY.
WHEN WE LOOK AT POINT WEST AND EVERYONE, THEY ARE ALWAYS MAKING THAT LEFT HAND TURN OVER WINDHAVEN.
IF I'M BEING QUITE HONEST, THIS ISN'T A PROBLEM REGARDING THIS LITTLE PLOT OF LAND.
THIS IS MORE SO JUST THE AUSTIN RANCH, JUST GROWING AND GROWING, AND WE ARE THE MAIN THOROUGHFARE TO GET TO THE TOLLWAY.
ARE THESE 15 UNITS GOING TO REALLY AFFECT THAT? NO. IN MY OPINION I THINK I FOUGHT CHAD ON THAT INITIALLY. I WAS LIKE, WHAT DO YOU MEAN? OF COURSE, IS GOING TO OPEN UP A WHOLE ARTERY FROM THE BACKSIDE. BUT YOU KNOW WHAT? I THINK THE BIGGEST THING HERE IS COMPROMISE AND LUCIO, EVERYONE THEY WERE WILLING TO WORK WITH US AND JUST SAY, HEY, WHAT DO YOU GUYS WANT? WHAT WOULD MAKE YOU SUPPORT THIS COMING TO YOUR COMMUNITY.
IN THAT REGARD, I WAS LIKE IF I LIVED IN THE FOX HOLLOW NEIGHBORHOOD, I WOULD NOT WANT THE ACCESS POINT FROM THE BACK ARTERY OF AUSTIN RANCH TO END UP IN THIS NEIGHBORHOOD.
THEY WERE MORE THAN WILLING TO CLOSE THAT OFF ENTIRELY, WHICH WAS HUGE, BECAUSE AS I CAME TO FIND OUT, IF THAT DIDN'T HAPPEN AT THIS MEETING, THAT WAS NEVER GOING TO HAPPEN.
ONCE THAT WAS THERE IN THE SIDEWALK, AND YOU HAVE AN EGRESS OUT INTO RED WOLF LANE, THAT WAS ALWAYS GOING TO BE THERE UNLESS FILLINGS CAME BACK AND SAID, NO, NOW, WE WANT TO CLOSE IT.
>> THAT'S NOT GOING TO HAPPEN AND SO I WAS LIKE WHAT DO WE DO TO GET THIS TO THE POINT WHERE IT'S AN AWKWARD PIECE OF LAND.
IT'S NOT GOING TO UNLESS ANYONE HERE WANTS TO BUY IT AND TURN IT INTO A PARK, WHICH WE'D ALL LOVE.
I WOULDN'T EXPECT, PLANO TO DO THAT WE'RE SURROUNDED BY ARBOR HILLS AND SUNSET PARK.
I WOULD NEVER ASK PLANO TO BUY THE LAND AND TURN INTO A PARK EITHER.
WHAT ARE WE GOING TO DO WITH ANOTHER ONE? WHEN YOU LOOK AT IT FROM THE GRAND SCHEME OF THINGS, I WOULD RATHER SEE A CONTROLLED SET OF TOWN HOMES THAT MATCH THE ONES THAT ARE ALREADY BUILT NEXT DOOR, THAN HAVE SOME URGENCY WHERE EVERYONE'S TRYING TO BUILD MORE MULTIFAMILY.
NOW, WE'RE FIGHTING A THREE STORY, SOMETHING OR OTHER.
THAT'S AN ENTIRELY [OVERLAPPING].
LONG STORY SHORT, HONESTLY, I FEEL LIKE THIS IS A GREAT COMPROMISE TO WHAT WAS INITIALLY PROPOSED.
I THINK IT WOULD FIT INTO OUR NEIGHBORHOOD THESE KIDS WILL GO TO SCHOOL WITH OUR KIDS THAT ARE TENANTS HERE, AND WE WELCOME MORE PEOPLE COMING INTO OUR ELEMENTARY SCHOOLS AND EVERYTHING.
LONG STORY SHORT I SUPPORT THIS AS PROPOSED, CURRENTLY, THEIR REVISED PLAN.
>> NEXT SPEAKER IS TATIANA RAMIREZ,
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PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS.>> YES. THANK YOU. GOOD AFTERNOON, CHAIR AND MEMBERS OF THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION.
MY NAME IS TATIANA RAMIREZ WE HAVE LIVED IN OUR CURRENT HOME FOR 11 YEARS AND IN PLANO FOR 22 YEARS.
OUR HOME DIRECTLY FACES THE EXISTING TOWN HOMES.
GIVEN THIS, I'D LIKE TO SHARE MY EXPERIENCES WITH THEM THEIR ALLEY AND OUR BACKYARD ARE SEPARATED BY A BRICK WALL.
SINCE THEIR LANDSCAPE ONLY INCLUDES TWO RETAINED TREES AND 12 HOLY SHRUBS.
WE HAVE HAD TO DEDICATE SIGNIFICANT TIME AND RESOURCES TO MAKING UP FOR THE LACK OF AN EFFECTIVE BUFFER.
ON OUR SIDE, WE NOW HAVE 13 LARGE EVERGREEN TREES.
UNFORTUNATELY, EVEN THESE HAVE NOT PROVIDED ENOUGH PRIVACY TO REDUCE THE NOISE FROM THE BARKING DOGS, PEOPLE LINGERING IT AT NIGHT OR CARS PLAYING LOUD MUSIC.
THEY HAVE ALSO BEEN UNABLE TO BLOCK PEOPLE FROM REPEATEDLY THROWING STUFF OVER THE WALL, SUCH AS TRASH, TOYS, CANS, AND FIRECRACKERS, WITH THE LATTER BEING A MAJOR SAFETY CONCERN.
WE ARE ALSO CONSTANTLY FIGHTING AGAINST INVASIVE VINES AND SUFFOCATING WEEDS COMING THROUGH THE WALL, WHICH CURL UP AROUND OUR TREE TRUNKS AND WEAKEN THEM.
WE ARE TIRED OF BRINGING IT UP TO THEIR GROUNDS KEEPING TO NO AVAIL.
DESPITE OUR EXTENSIVE LANDSCAPING EFFORTS, THESE PROBLEMS STILL REMAINED AND ARE CHALLENGING FOR US.
IN CLOSING, WE RESPECTFULLY URGE YOU TO CONSIDER THESE ISSUES AND THE CONSEQUENCES THAT FURTHER REZONING WOULD HAVE IN OUR COMMUNITIES.
THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME AND CONSIDERATION.
>> THANK YOU VERY MUCH. ANY OTHER REGISTERED SPEAKERS?
>> THERE ARE NO MORE REGISTERED SPEAKERS.
>> WE DID HAVE IS IT FOUR OTHER PEOPLE REGISTER IN OPPOSITION? JUST WANT TO ACKNOWLEDGE THAT WE DID GET YOUR REGISTRATION SO THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
NO OTHER SPEAKERS REGISTERED I'LL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING.
>> I'M SORRY, AM MISUNDERSTOOD AM I REGISTERED TO SPEAK?
>> LET ME REOPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING HANG ON. REOPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING.
WE HAD FOUR PEOPLE REGISTERED AS OPINIONS ONLY WHO DID NOT WANT TO SPEAK.
IF YOU'D LIKE TO, WE CAN CALL YOUR NAME, AND IF YOU'D LIKE TO COME UP, YOU'RE CERTAINLY WELCOME TO SO, HENRY, IF YOU'D READ THEIR NAMES OUT LOUD, AND IF THEY'D LIKE TO COME UP, WE'LL CERTAINLY LET THEM SPEAK.
>> OF COURSE WE HAVE MARY HELEN NOLAN FROM POINT WEST HOA, AND KRISTY DAVIDSON FOLLOWED BY SHIVANI META AND BOBBY C KOLAR.
>> SORRY IF THERE WAS CONFUSION, YOU CAN REGISTER TO SPEAK OR NOT TO SPEAK AND JUST REGISTER YOUR OPINION, BUT IF YOU'D LIKE TO SPEAK, IT IS A PUBLIC HEARING.
IF YOU JUST INTRODUCE YOURSELF AND YOUR ADDRESS, PLEASE.
>> MY NAME IS MARY HELEN NOLAN, AND I'M THE HOA PRESIDENT OF POINT WEST NEIGHBORHOOD, WHICH IS WOULD BE DIRECTLY NORTH OF THE PROPOSED PROJECT.
THE 2.5 ACRES UNDER REZONING CONSIDERATION, WE FEEL SHOULD BE CONSISTENT WITH THE SURROUNDING PLANO, NOT THE COLONY NEIGHBORHOODS.
I E, RED WOLF, POINT WEST, FOX HOLLOW, AND MIDWAY PARK, WHICH ARE ALL SINGLE FAMILY HOMES, NOT APARTMENT OR TOWN HOME COMPLEXES.
ADDITIONALLY, WE WOULD ASK THAT THERE BE A TRAFFIC ANALYSIS REGARDING TRAFFIC LOAD ON WINDHAVEN AS HAS BEEN ARTICULATED EARLIER.
WINDHAVEN CARRIES A HEAVY TRAFFIC LOAD, AND THIS ROAD HAS BECOME A RACE TRACK FOR THE MULTIPLE APARTMENT COMPLEXES AND PUTS US AT RISK DAILY.
I'VE LIVED IN PLANO 15 YEARS IN THIS SAME HOME THAT WE BUILT, AND I'VE HAD A MAJOR ACCIDENT WHICH NEARLY TOOK MY LIFE.
I'M CONCERNED THAT DAILY, AS WE TRY TO CROSS THAT ROAD COMING OUT OF POINT WEST AND MAKE OUR WAY EAST ON MIDWAY, IT'S GOING TO BE CONTINUOUSLY HARDER AND MORE DIFFICULT.
AT AGE 77, I'M A I'M A GOOD DRIVER, BUT I FEEL I'M TAKING MY LIFE AND MY HANDS WITH THE SITUATION AS IT IS.
THE LAST POINT IS THAT WE BACK UP TO THE BILLINGSLEY APARTMENT TOWN HOMES NEAR US, AND THE TRASH CONTAINERS ARE FOREVER, FLOODING OVER.
THERE'S NOT REGULAR REMOVAL OF THE TRASH, AND THERE'S BEEN A RODENT PROBLEM FAIRLY CONSISTENTLY SO I THANK YOU FOR BEING
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OUR ADVOCATE AND DEFENDING US TOWARD THE PETITION TO DENY THE BILLINGSLEY PROJECT. THANK YOU.>> THANK YOU. NEXT UP IS KRISTY DAVIDSON FOLLOWED BY SHIVANI META.
>> MY NAME IS KRISTY DAVIDSON.
I LIVE AT 60505 TIMBERWOLF TRAIL.
I'VE LIVED IN RED WOLF ESTATES FOR 24 YEARS, ONE OF THE ORIGINAL HOMES IN RED WOLF.
WHEN WE BOUGHT OUR HOUSE, WE ALWAYS KNEW THE FIELD BEHIND US WITH THE LONGHORN CATTLE WOULD NOT STAY.
WE KNEW ONE DAY IT WOULD PROBABLY BE DEVELOPED, BUT WE NATURALLY ASSUMED IT WOULD BE SINGLE FAMILY HOMES LIKE THE ONES THAT SURROUND THE PROPERTY NOW, NEVER THOUGHT IT WOULD BE AN EXTENSION OF AUSTIN RANCH.
IN ADDITION TO THE ADDED TRAFFIC THAT WE'LL HAVE TO DEAL WITH, BECAUSE IT WILL BE USED AS A CUT THROUGH.
WINDHAVEN COMES TO A COMPLETE STOP IN THE MORNING SO IT'LL BE A CUT THROUGH.
WE HAVE TO CONTEND WITH THE 30 TRASH BINS THAT'LL BE BEHIND US, AND WE'LL ADD TO THE RODENT PROBLEM THAT WE DO HAVE AT THIS TIME.
BUT MOSTLY AESTHETICALLY, IT DOESN'T FIT ON THAT CORNER.
IT DOESN'T FIT WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
ONCE THEY CUT DOWN THE TREES THAT BORDER THE PROPERTY THAT WOULD GIVE US A BUFFER, WE'RE LEFT WITH VIEWS FROM OUR BACKYARD OF 25'' BUILDINGS NOT WHAT WE SIGNED UP FOR.
AGAIN, WE HAVE MET WITH THEM, THE REPRESENTATIVES IN GOOD FAITH IN HOPES OF MAYBE HAVING SOME INPUT.
OUR TAKEAWAY WAS QUITE DIFFERENT, NOT TOO NEIGHBORLY.
I DO APPRECIATE THE SHRUBBERY THEY WANT TO USE AS A BUFFER, BUT WE ALL KNOW WHAT SHRUBS DO IN AUGUST IN TEXAS. THEY'LL BE DEAD.
OUR FEAR IS IF THIS ZONING IS CHANGED, WE DON'T HAVE ANY ASSURANCES OF ANYTHING.
WHAT WILL ACTUALLY GO THERE? IT SCARES US. I MEAN, THIS IS OUR HOME.
THIS IS WHERE WE LIVE, AND WE JUST WANT THE BEST FOR OUR FAMILIES. ANYWAY, THANK YOU.
>> NEXT UP IS SHIVANI META FOLLOWED BY BOBBY KOLAR.
>> GOOD EVENING AND THANK YOU FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK.
MY NAME IS SHIVANI META, AND MY FAMILY AND I LIVE ON 6513 TIMBERWOLF LANE.
UNLIKE MANY SPEAKERS, WE ARE NEW TRANSPLANTS TO CITY OF PLANO, BUT WE COME COMMITTED.
WE UPROOTED OUR KIDS, 10 AND 8-YEAR-OLD DAUGHTERS FROM ORLANDO, VERY HAPPY PLACE FOR THEM, TO THE CITY OF PLANO, AND WE ARE HERE BECAUSE MY HUSBAND IS ADDING 150 JOBS TO THE CITY OF PLANO.
ALL HIGH PAYING SIX FIGURE JOBS AND BUILDING OFFICE IN GRANITE PARK.
I AM HERE TO OPPOSE THIS DEVELOPMENT SITE.
I WANT TO START BY FIRST ACKNOWLEDGING THE BUILDERS EFFORT TO BRING NEW HOUSING OPPORTUNITIES TO PLANO, AND TO EXPRESS THAT WE AS NEIGHBORING HOMEOWNERS ARE NOT OPPOSED TO RESPONSIBLE DEVELOPMENT.
OUR GOAL IS TO SIMPLY ENSURE THAT ANY PROJECT APPROVED ALIGNS WITH THE PLANO ZONING PRINCIPLES, PARTICULARLY THOSE RELATED TO COMPATIBILITY, PRIVACY, AESTHETICS, AND NEIGHBORHOOD CHARACTER.
AGAIN, CITY OF PLANO, NOT THE COLONY.
SEVERAL ASPECTS OF THIS PROPOSAL CONFLICTS WITH THOSE OBJECTIVES.
THE INCREASED IN HEIGHT AND DENSITY WILL CREATE SIGNIFICANT SIGHTLINE AND PRIVACY INTRUSIONS, PARTICULARLY BECAUSE OUR BACKYARD, WHERE OUR TWO YOUNG DAUGHTERS PLAY IS DIRECTLY ADJACENT TO THE DEVELOPMENT.
ADDITIONALLY, THE PROPOSED REMOVAL OF MATURE TREES THAT SERVE AS A NATURAL PRIVACY AND SOUND BUFFER CONTRADICTS TO THE CITY'S TREE PRESERVATION AND LANDSCAPE BUFFER POLICIES UNDER ARTICLE 17 OF PLANO ZONING ORDINANCE.
WHICH ENCOURAGE MAINTAINING SCREENING AND CANOPY BUFFERS BETWEEN RESIDENTIAL USES.
FURTHERMORE PLANO CITY'S ZONING ORDINANCES AND THE CITY'S COMPREHENSIVE PLAN TOGETHER RESTRICT THE DEVELOPMENT OF MULTIFAMILY UNITS IN AREAS THAT ARE SURROUNDED BY SINGLE FAMILY HOMES.
SPECIFICALLY, THE ZONING CODE REMOVES MULTIFAMILY HOUSING AS AN ALLOWED USE IN DESIGNATED RESIDENTIAL COMMUNITY DISTRICTS, MEANING THAT THESE AREAS ARE RESERVED FOR SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENCES AND NOT PERMITTED FOR MULTIFAMILY DEVELOPMENT.
THE PLANO COMPREHENSIVE PLAN REINFORCES THIS POLICY BY STATING THAT SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL SHOULD REMAIN THE PRIMARY USE WITHIN NEIGHBORHOODS THAT ENCOURAGING THE PRESERVATION AND ENHANCEMENT OF THESE USES.
ANY NEW RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT, INCLUDING MULTIFAMILY MUST BE APPROPRIATE FOR THE AREA BASED ON
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THE FUTURE LAND USE MAP AND SITE SPECIFIC CONSIDERATION.THE PLAN EXPRESSLY REMITS SMALL SCALE. SORRY.
>> I THINK YOU GET THE POINT WE ARE OPPOSED.
I RESPECTFULLY REQUEST THAT THE COMMISSION REJECT THE REZONING EFFORT.
THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME AND FOR UPHOLDING THE PLANNING STANDARDS. I APPRECIATE.
>> THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR YOUR COMMENTS.
>> NEXT SPEAKER IS BOBBY KOLAR.
>> GOOD EVENING. MY NAME IS BOBBY KOLAR, 6528 TIMBERWOLF TRAIL PLANO.
WE HAVE LIVED IN PLANO FOR 20 YEARS.
I'VE BEEN A RESIDENT OF RED FALL ESTATES FOR THE LAST 14.
I AM THAT SOMEONE THAT THE GENTLEMAN BEHIND ME REFERRED TO EARLIER AS HAVING BUILT A 12' FENCE FOR WHICH WE HAVE A VARIANCE REQUEST INTO THE CITY OF PLANO.
WE HAVE A HEARING SCHEDULED FOR NOVEMBER 11 FOR IT AS WELL.
THE NEIGHBORS NEXT TO ME WHO HAVE BEEN THERE FOR 30 PLUS YEARS HAVE A 10-12' CONCRETE FENCE.
I'M SURPRISED THAT THEY NEVER BROUGHT THAT UP BEFORE.
MY HOME ACTUALLY SITS BEHIND THE THREE STORY BUILDINGS THAT WERE BUILT.
I HAVE 178 WINDOWS AND DOORS LOOKING STRAIGHT INTO MY HOUSE, INTO MY SWIMMING POOL, MY MASTER BATHROOM, MY MASTER BEDROOM, FROM MY FAMILY ROOM, I CAN SEE A SIX STORY GARAGE BUILDING THAT'S BEEN THERE.
I DIDN'T BRING IT UP WHEN THAT DEVELOPMENT WAS GOING ON, BUT WHAT MY NEIGHBORS ARE ABOUT TO EXPERIENCE IS EXACTLY WHAT WE'VE BEEN LIVING WITH.
THE REASON THIS 12' FENCE ISSUE WAS BROUGHT UP BY THE GENTLEMAN BEHIND ME, 2014, THEIR TREES FELL ON MY FENCE.
WE REACHED OUT, AT THAT TIME, THERE WAS NO DEVELOPMENT THERE.
IN 2024, THEIR TREES FELL AGAIN ON OUR FENCE.
THIS TIME, I REACHED OUT TO THEM, AND I WAS TOLD TO SETTLE FOR 10% OF THE PORTION OF WHERE THE TREES FELL.
WE HAD REPEATEDLY REQUESTED THEM, PLEASE PRUNE THE TREES.
THIS IS A CONSTANT ISSUE, WHAT THESE GUYS ARE FACING AS WELL BEHIND ME.
WHEN THEY CAME BACK WITH A RIDICULOUS OFFER OF FIXING PART OF THE FENCE, I HAVE SEEK LEGAL COUNSEL.
WE ARE IN A LAWSUIT WITH THESE FOLKS BEHIND ME AND THEIR LEGAL COUNSEL THREATENED ME TO GO TO CITY OF PLANO AND SAY, WELL, YOU BUILT A 12' FENCE.
IT'LL BE INTERESTING IF CITY OF PLANO FINDS OUT ABOUT IT.
SURE ENOUGH, TWO DAYS LATER, THERE WAS AN INSPECTOR AT MY DOOR.
BUT LIKE I SAID, WE HAVE FOLLOWED THE PROCESS, WE HAVE A VARIANCE REQUEST IN, AND WE HAVE A BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT HEARING SCHEDULED FOR THAT AS WELL.
THEIR FUTURE IS WHAT WE ARE LIVING CURRENTLY.
THE THREE STORY BUILDINGS, 200 PLUS WINDOWS LOOKING AT US.
YES, I HAD THE TRASH BINS RIGHT BEHIND MY FENCE.
RODENTS, ALL OF THAT STUFF IS REAL.
ANYBODY ON THIS BOARD IS MORE THAN WELCOME TO COME TO THE FACILITY. THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME.
>> THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR YOUR COMMENTS.
DO WE HAVE ANY OTHER SPEAKERS?
>> THERE ARE NO FURTHER SPEAKERS OR REGISTERED OPINIONS FOR THIS ITEM, BUT FOR ITEM 1B, THERE IS ONE REGISTERED OPINION.
>> WHY DON'T WE GO AHEAD AND LET THAT PERSON SPEAK IF THEY'D LIKE TO.
>> AARON, IF YOU'D LIKE TO SPEAK.
>> PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS.
I'M FROM 800 ELK MOUNTAIN TRAIL FROM MCKINNEY.
I'M NOT REALLY, LIKE, A MEMBER OF PLANO.
THE REASON WHY I'M HERE WAS TO HEAR YOU GUYS DISCUSS ABOUT THE VARIOUS URBAN PROJECTS AROUND THIS AREA.
WHY I FIND IT INTERESTING IS THAT THE COMPANY WHO PLANS TO BUILD THE MULTI FAMILY AND ZONING UNITS, THEY'RE TRYING TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY MEET ALL THE SAFETY STANDARDS AND REGULATIONS, IS THAT CORRECT?
>> YES. THEY HAVE TO MEET ALL THE CITY CODES.
>> WHAT I ALSO UNDERSTAND IS THAT A LOT OF RESIDENTS ARE COMPLAINING ABOUT IT BECAUSE THEY'RE SAID TO BE A LOT OF TRASH, A LOT OF RODENT PROBLEMS HAPPENING AROUND HERE.
>> I BELIEVE THAT'S WHAT THE COMMENTS HAVE GENERALLY REFLECTED THIS EVENING.
>> THE REASON WHY I'M ASKING IS THAT I'M NOT REALLY SURE IF THERE'S ANY CONSTRUCTION GOING ON NEXT OF THESE FAMILY PLACES, AND WHETHER PEOPLE OUT THERE ARE FIGHTING AGAINST AND ABLE TO WIN OR NOT.
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I'M NOT REALLY AN EXPERT ON IT.I JUST WANT TO KNOW WHAT'S ACTUALLY GOING ON.
>> YEAH, SO I THINK THAT'S THE PURPOSE OF THE HEARING TONIGHT JUST TO MAKE SURE EVERYBODY'S AWARE OF WHAT'S BEING PROPOSED IN THEIR NEIGHBORHOOD.
IN THIS PARTICULAR CASE, WE'RE JUST TALKING ABOUT THIS ONE TRACT, BUT YOU'RE CERTAINLY WELCOME TO FOLLOW ALONG WITH WHAT WE DO ON OTHER PROJECTS AS WELL.
IS THIS THE FIRST TIME THAT WHENEVER SOMEONE OR SOME CONTRACTOR DECIDES TO BUILD, LIKE A TWO STORY TOWN HOME OR ANY OTHER ADJACENT SINGLE FAMILY HOMES THAT PEOPLE HAVE COMPLAINTS ABOUT THAT?
>> IT VARIES BY TRACT BY TRACT.
WE HAVE REQUIREMENTS UNDER OUR ORDINANCE AND ALSO UNDER STATE LAW TO HAVE PUBLIC HEARINGS FOR DIFFERENT CASES.
IT DEPENDS ON IT'S VERY SITE SPECIFIC, BUT IT WAS NOT THE FIRST TIME.
WE'VE HAD PUBLIC HEARINGS REGARDING DEVELOPMENT.
>> THERE HAVE BEEN ARGUMENTS ABOUT WHETHER IT MEETS THE SUBDIVISION ORGANIZATION AND THE SUBSTANDARD SAFETY STANDARDS.
THEN IF ANYTHING ELSE, THEN I DON'T REALLY HAVE ANYTHING ELSE TO SAY. THANK YOU.
>> NOW I'LL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING.
AND RESERVE COMMENTS TO THE COMMISSION.
DOES THE COMMISSION HAVE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS BEFORE WE GET INTO OUR COMMENTS FOR STAFF? I THINK THERE WERE A LOT OF QUESTIONS ABOUT TRAFFIC.
WHY DON'T WE DEAL WITH THAT FIRST? COMMISSIONER LALLY.
>> I DID HAVE A QUESTION TO STAFF.
IS THE NOW WE'RE VOTING FOR CHANGING FROM AGRICULTURE TO SINGLE FAMILY ATTACHED, NOT MULTI FAMILY LIKE THREE OR FOUR STORY RESIDENCE, RIGHT?
>> FOR THE ZONING, THESE ARE SINGLE FAMILY ATTACHED.
>> YES. SINGLE FAMILY ATTACHED, WHICH IS DIFFERENT FROM MULTI FAMILY.
>> THERE'S A LIMIT TO THE HEIGHT, LIKE YOU SAID, AND THEN THE APPLICANT ALSO CONFIRM THAT IT'S GOT TO BE 25'.
>> YES. THE ARTICLE 9.1000 OF THE ZONING ORDINANCE IS WHAT DICTATES THE ZONING REQUIREMENTS FOR THE SINGLE FAMILY ATTACHED DISTRICT.
THE APPLICANT'S REQUEST TO DEVELOP SINGLE FAMILY TOWN HOMES ON ONE LOT IS PERMITTED PER THE SINGLE FAMILY ATTACHED ZONING DISTRICT.
>> I DO HAVE ANOTHER QUESTION BECAUSE YOU LIKE OF THE FLAT ROOF, ARE THEY GOING TO THE RESIDENTS HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO USE THOSE FLAT ROOFS OR IS IT GOING TO BE A ROOFING SYSTEM THAT THEY CAN NOT USE? LIKE, IS THERE A LIMIT OR LIKE A REGULATION PROHIBITS THE USE OF ROOFS?
>> JUST TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION.
NO, THOSE ROOFS WILL NOT BE USED UNDER ANY CIRCUMSTANCES.
ROOFS THAT ARE USED FOR TERRACES OR ANYTHING ELSE ARE VERY, VERY EXPENSIVE, AND IT'S A COMPLETELY DIFFERENT TYPE OF CONSTRUCTION.
THERE'S NO WAY THAT THESE WOULD BE USED IN ANY WAY.
>> JUST REGULAR FLAT ROOF, TPO OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT?
THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT IT WOULD BE.
>> THANK YOU. DOES THAT ANSWER YOUR QUESTIONS?
>> I JUST WANTED TO MAKE A QUICK CLARIFICATION.
I JUST WANT TO LET THE COMMISSION KNOW THAT THAT IS NOT A RESTRICTION THAT CAN BE PLACED ON THIS.
IT'S A STRAIGHT REZONING, SO IT WOULD FOLLOW THE MAXIMUM HEIGHT OF THE ZONING DISTRICT, WHICH IS TWO STORY 35 FEET.
>> CAN I CLARIFY THAT JUST TO MAKE SURE, SO THAT THE 35' WOULD BE TO THE TOP ARCHITECTURAL ELEMENT, IS THAT CORRECT?
>> IT VARIES BY ROOF TYPE, BUT THE HIGHEST POINT ON THE AVERAGE OF THE FOUR POINTS FOR A FLAT ROOF.
>> FOR FLAT ROOF, BUT IT'S STILL BE RESTRICTED TO TWO STORIES, CORRECT.
I'M SORRY. COMMISSIONER BRONSKI. I TOOK SOME OF YOUR TIME.
>> NO. LET'S TALK TRAFFIC ON WIND HAVING HEADING EAST.
FROM MY UNDERSTANDING, IT'S MILE MILE AND A HALF FROM RED WOLF TO MIDWAY?
>> CHAIR, PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME IN TITLE.
>> YES. MY NAME IS CHAD OSTRANDER.
I'M A SENIOR TRAFFIC ENGINEER WITH THE CITY OF PLANO.
>> WHAT'S THE APPROXIMATE DISTANCE THEN BALL PARK?
>> FIFTEEN HUNDRED FEET. IS IT FAIR TO SAY THAT TRAFFIC BACKS UP ON WINDHAVEN TO THE WEST OF WHAT THIS PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT IS GOING TO BE?
>> YES. IT DOES NOT BACK UP ALL THE WAY TO STAGS REAP, BUT IN THE AM PEAK WHEN PEOPLE ARE HEADING TOWARDS DALLAS NORTH TOY, IT DOES BACK UP INTO THIS SECTION.
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>> MY CONCERN IS THAT ESPECIALLY EVEN MS. MARTINEZ MENTIONED THAT THIS BACKUP THAT THE SLIP ROAD BE USED TO CUT OUT I DON'T KNOW, HOW MANY CARS ARE THE LENGTH OF THAT SLIP ROAD TO GET AROUND TO THE FRONT OF.
THEN WITH ONLY BEING 52' TO RED WOLF, THAT THAT COULD REALLY CAUSE SOME TRAFFIC PROBLEMS, IF NOT, ACCIDENTS OR ANGRY PEOPLE WATCHING THIS TRANSPIRE OR EVEN BACKING TRAFFIC UP ONTO THE SLIP ROAD, WHILE SEVERAL PEOPLE TRY TO MAKE THAT LOOP.
>> THE 50' SEPARATION FROM THE DRIVEWAY TO A RESIDENTIAL LOCAL STREET IS COMPLIANT WITH THE STREET DESIGN STANDARDS.
REQUIREMENT IS 50' TANGENT, AND THEY'RE JUST OVER THAT.
THEY DO MEET THAT IN REGARDS TO USING IT AS A POTENTIAL CUT AROUND TO SKIP MAYBE 20 CARS.
THAT COULD HAPPEN WITH ANY OF OUR CROSS ACCESS TYPE FACILITIES THAT OCCUR THROUGHOUT PLANO.
AS A DRIVER I DON'T SEE THAT THAT WOULD SAVE SIGNIFICANT TIME.
>> I'M NOT SUGGESTING THAT IT SAVES TIME BECAUSE I'VE READ SOME OF THE STUDIES THAT TALK ABOUT EVEN WHEN YOU'RE WEAVING BACK AND FORTH, YOU'RE SAVING LESS THAN TWO OR THREE MINUTES ON AN HOUR DRIVE.
MY THING IS I COULD SEE THIS ROAD BACKING UP AND THEN TRYING TO GET BACK OUT.
TO ME, IT'S JUST FROM A TRAFFIC ENGINEERING STANDPOINT, IT JUST SEEMS TO ME TO BE VERY DIFFICULT, ESPECIALLY WITH THAT DISTANCE TO RED WOLF.
>> WHEN WE WERE WORKING WITH THE BILLING LEASE AND THE LAND DEVELOPER, WE REQUESTED TO PUT THIS DRIVEWAY WHERE IT IS TO BE IN RELATION TO THE HOODED LEFT THAT'S THERE.
>> THERE'S A HOODED LEFT JUST TO THE WEST OF REDWOOD LANE TO ACCESS THAT NEIGHBORHOOD THAT'S TO THE NORTH, AND WE DIDN'T WANT TRAFFIC CONFLICTS WITH THAT AND PEOPLE TRYING TO CUT ACROSS WINDHAVEN TO USE THAT TURN LANE TO GO WEST.
WE WOULD RATHER HAVE THEM GO TO THE DRIVEWAY TO THE WEST OF THEM AND USE THE FULL MEDIAN OPENING.
THAT'S WHY WE CHOSE TO PUT THE DRIVEWAY WHERE IT'S AT, TO MINIMIZE PEOPLE TRYING TO CUT ACROSS AND USE THAT.
I AGREE THAT PEOPLE COULD USE THAT SLIP LANE AS A CUT AROUND.
IN WHAT WE SEE IN TERMS OF SAFETY AROUND THE CITY, THAT IS NOT A SIGNIFICANT SOURCE OF WRECKS AT OTHER DRIVEWAYS.
IT'S MORE OFTEN WHEN PEOPLE ARE MOVING AT SPEED AND TRYING TO TURN INTO A DRIVEWAY, AND THEY EITHER DON'T GET FULLY INTO THE RIGHT TURN LANE.
THERE'S NO RIGHT TURN LANE, OR THEY DON'T USE THEIR BLINKER, AND THAT YOU GET THE REAR ENDS.
IT'S NOT OFTEN THAT WHEN TRAFFIC IS MOVING SLOWLY, AND IN THESE HIGH TRAFFIC TIMES, AND PEOPLE ARE TRYING TO GET AROUND AND JUST CUT IN FRONT OF SOMEBODY, PEOPLE ARE DRIVING SLOW ENOUGH THAT THOSE ACCIDENTS DON'T OCCUR AS OFTEN.
>> FRANKLY, I DRIVE UP CUSTER, AND I WATCH PEOPLE CUT THROUGH THE PARKING LOTS TO GET AROUND TWO OR THREE CARS, SO THAT'S MY CONCERN.
MY SECOND CONCERN IS THE EXIT 52 FEET FROM WOLF LANE.
IF SOMEBODY IS EXITING THERE AND HAPPENS TO WANT TO GO WEST ON WINDHAVEN.
THEY'RE GOING TO CROSS OVER THREE LANES.
WHAT'S THE DISTANCE THERE TO GET TO THAT? CAN THEY MAKE A U-TURN THERE?
>> WE HAVE SIGNED THAT AS NO U-TURN.
IF THEY DID THAT, IT WOULD BE IN VIOLATION OF OUR CITY ORDINANCES, AND PD COULD STOP THEM AND PULL THEM OVER, AND GIVE THEM A TICKET.
>> I'M LOOKING AT IT RIGHT NOW, AND THERE IS NO U-TURN SIGNED THERE.
IN SPEAKING WITH THE NEIGHBORHOODS, ONCE THIS GOES INTO EFFECT,
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WE HAVE WORK ORDERS IN PLACE TO PUT A NO U-TURN SIGN HERE, AND A NO U-TURN SIGN AT THE NEXT MEDIAN OPENING TO THE WEST TO TRY AND MINIMIZE THAT.IN TALKING WITH SOME OF THE HOAS, THAT WAS ONE OF THEIR CONCERNS IS PEOPLE TRYING TO MAKE THAT MOVEMENT.
WE PREEMPTIVELY HAVE THAT PLAN TO GO AHEAD.
WE'RE NOT GOING TO DO THAT UNTIL THAT GOES TO CONSTRUCTION.
TO ME, THAT'S ALL I HAVE FOR RIGHT NOW, BUT THANK YOU VERY MUCH, CHAD, FOR YOUR INPUT AND FOR YOUR WORK ON THIS PROJECT.
>> JUST ONE FROM A TRAFFIC PERSPECTIVE.
RIGHT NOW WIND HAVEN HAS A TRAFFIC PROBLEM.
WE HAVE 15 FAMILIES UNITS, WHAT HAVE YOU PROPOSED HERE.
HOW MUCH MORE VOLUME OR ADDITIONAL TRAFFIC CONGESTION DO WE THINK THIS WOULD CAUSE.
IF WE HAVE 100 CARS BUMPER TO BUMPER, I'M MAKING STUFF UP, DOES THIS ADD TWO MORE CARS? FIVE MORE CARS, 20 MORE CARS.
>> RESIDENTIAL UNITS ARE THE LOWEST TRIP GENERATION.
IN GENERAL, IT'S ABOUT 0.6 TRIPS PER UNIT IN THE PEAK HOUR. THEY'RE.
>> IF THAT. WE CALCULATED, I THINK, EIGHT IN THE WORST OF THE TWO PEAK HOURS.
THIS IS NOT GOING TO ADD HARDLY ANYTHING TO WHAT'S ALREADY OUT THERE.
>> TO COMMISSIONER BRONSKI CONCERN ABOUT USING THE SLIP ROAD TO FOR SOME REASON, GET IN FRONT OF A COUPLE OF CARS.
IS THERE ANYTHING WE CAN DO AT THOSE ENTRIES INTO THE SLIP ROAD THAT FOR LACK OF A BETTER WORD, DISSUADES, PUT A SPEED BUMP GOING IN OR SOMETHING?
>> WE COULD REQUEST THEM TO PUT SPEED BUMPS ALONG THAT SLIP LANE THAT COULD DISSUADE TRAFFIC FROM USING THAT AS A BYPASS.
THAT ALSO WE'D ALSO HAVE TO TALK WITH THE FIRE DEPARTMENT.
BECAUSE OUR TRADITIONAL SPEED BUMP PROGRAM NOW USES THE RUBBER SPEED BUMPS FOR THESE WIDER SECTIONS THAT ALLOW THE FIRE TRUCK TO GO PAST WITHOUT HAVING TO SLOW DOWN.
WITH THIS SMALLER SECTION, I DON'T THINK WE HAVE A TRADITIONAL LAYOUT FOR THE SPEED BUMPS ON THIS SMALLER SECTION.
I THINK WE WOULD HAVE TO GO IN WITH SOMETHING THAT WOULDN'T QUITE COMPLY WITH THE TRADITIONAL FIRE RATED SPEED BUMPS.
WE WOULD HAVE TO RUN THAT BY THEM.
THIS MIGHT BE COMING OFF OF THE CONGRESS'S RECENT SESSION, SB I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE NUMBER IS.
IS IT 15? IS THERE ANY IMPACT FROM LEGISLATURE THAT ALMOST TIES OUR HANDS IN ANY WAY IN THIS?
>> NO. THIS IS NOT QUALIFIED RSP 15 BECAUSE IT'S UNDER FIVE ACRES.
>> THANK YOU. COMMISSIONER LINGENFELTER.
>> THANK YOU. I ACTUALLY I WAS TRYING TO DETERMINE IF IT WAS UNDER SB 15, AS WELL.
THAT WAS GOING TO BE ONE OF MY QUESTIONS.
BUT FROM A TRAFFIC STANDPOINT, I THINK YOU'VE ADDRESSED A LOT OF WHAT COMMISSIONER BRONSKI HAD ALLUDED TO SOME OF MY CONCERNS.
I KNOW THE SPEED BUMP THING PROBABLY ISN'T AN ISSUE BECAUSE IT'S NOT ACTUALLY GOING TO BE A FIRE LANE BECAUSE THEY'RE GOING TO BE ACCESSING FROM WINDHAVEN AND SOUNDS LIKE ANYWAY, SO A FIRE TRUCK IS NOT GOING TO BE USING THAT.
JUST WHAT I'VE DEDUCTED FROM WHAT WE'VE ALREADY TALKED ABOUT.
HOWEVER, WHAT HAPPENS, AND THIS MAY BE JUST A SCENARIO.
WHAT HAPPENS IF SOMEBODY COMES IN THE OUT THAT'S NEXT TO RED WOLF AND [LAUGHTER] HOW DO PEOPLE GET OUT OF THAT OOPS FOR SAY AND THERE'S PEOPLE COMING AT THEM, AND THEY'VE GOT TO NOW BACK UP INTO WINDHAVEN TO GET OUT OF THE WAY.
>> I BELIEVE THE SLIP ROAD OFF OF WINDHAVEN IS WAS GOING TO BE TWO-WAY,
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AND JUST THE ALLEY WAS ONE WAY. IS THAT CORRECT, MOLLY?>> IT'S ONE WAY, THE WHOLE THING [OVERLAPPING].
I THINK THE BEST DESIGN, AND THIS CAN BE WORKED OUT AT A PRELIMINARY SITE PLAN AND SITE PLAN PHASES.
THE BEST DESIGN WOULD BE TO CHANNELIZE THAT, TO FORCE IT TO BE OUT AND USE A MORE 45 DEGREE TYPE DRIVEWAY OR MAYBE NOT QUITE 45 DEGREE BECAUSE THAT WOULD ENCOURAGE PEOPLE TO COME OUT AT SPEED, BUT SOMETHING THAT DISCOURAGES PEOPLE FROM GOING IN THAT ROUTE.
>> IT'S GOING TO BE TOO HARD FOR THEM TO MAKE THAT TURN.
I WAS CONCERNED ABOUT THAT BECAUSE I CAN SEE SOMEBODY JUST UNKNOWINGLY TURN IN THERE, AND THEN THEY'RE STUCK AND NOW THEY'RE PULLING BACKING UP INTO WINDHAVEN.
I HAD THE SB 15 QUESTION THAT'S BEEN CLEARED UP.
ANOTHER QUESTION, NOW, IT'S NOT TRAFFIC RELATED. THIS IS FOR THE CITY.
>> YOU'VE GOT OTHER QUESTIONS FOR STAFF.
WHAT OTHER OPTIONS, WHAT OTHER THINGS HAVE BEEN TALKED ABOUT WITH THE DEVELOPER AS FAR AS SCREENING GOES, BECAUSE IT SOUNDS LIKE THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF BACK AND FORTH AND A LOT OF UNWILLINGNESS TO FULLY SCREEN THINGS THE WAY MAYBE THE RESIDENTS MIGHT BE ACCEPTABLE TO.
I'M JUST TRYING TO SEE WHAT ALL WE TALKED ABOUT.
THEY BROUGHT UP A 12 FOOT FENCE ATTACK ON THE RESIDENT THING.
I DIDN'T TAKE NOTE TO THAT VERY WELL.
BUT AS FAR AS SCREENING, IT SOUNDS LIKE THAT'S GOING TO BE A BIG DEAL, HAVING A NICE FENCE, HAVING A GOOD TREE LINE.
MAKE IT SO THAT YOU DON'T HAVE SUCH VISIBILITY FOR SAY, NOISE, TRASH, ALL STUFF.
WHAT ALL HAS BEEN EXPLORED THERE?
>> IN TALKS WITH THE CITY AND THE DEVELOPER, SCREENING BETWEEN RESIDENTIAL USES IS TYPICALLY NOT REQUIRED.
IN OUR PRE APPLICATION MEETING, WE DISCUSSED THAT THERE IS A GOOD INVENTORY OF MATURE TREES ON SITE, AND SO PRESERVING AS MANY TREES AS POSSIBLE ALONG THE SOUTHERN AND NOW EASTERN PROPERTY LINE WOULD BE PREFERRED FOR THEIR DESIGN AS WELL AS TO BE AN APPROPRIATE BUFFER.
SOME OF THROUGHOUT THE ZONING CASE IN THE ZONING PROCESS, SOME OF THE SURROUNDING NEIGHBORS BROUGHT UP A DESIRE TO HAVE A 10 OR 12 FOOT HIGH SCREENING WALL.
HOWEVER, OUR ORDINANCES ONLY ALLOW A MAXIMUM HEIGHT OF EIGHT FEET.
THAT WAS NOT AN OPTION THAT WE COULD PRESENT TO THE APPLICANT.
BASED ON THE RE ROUTING OF THE ALLEY, WE DO NOT REQUIRE SCREENING WHEN THE REAR OF RESIDENCES ARE NOT BACKED UP TO THE ALLEY.
FOR RE ROUTING IT, TO THE SLIP ROAD ALONG RED WOLF LANE.
IT'S PARALLEL, WE DO NOT REQUIRE A SCREENING WALL BETWEEN THE ALLEY AND RED WOLF LANE.
HOWEVER, WITH THE ASSOCIATED PRIVATE STREET SUBDIVISION, SUP, WE ARE REQUIRING THAT A SIX FOOT MINIMUM HEIGHT LANDSCAPE SCREENING WALL BE MAINTAINED BETWEEN THAT ALLEY AND RED WOLF LANE TO ALLOW FOR ADDITIONAL SCREENING AND TO HELP PRESERVE THE EXISTING INVENTORY.
>> NO. IT'S A LANDSCAPE SCREENING.
>> YES. WE DO NOT REQUIRE MASONRY SCREENING WALL WHEN THE REAR OF RESIDENCES IS NOT BACKED UP BETWEEN AN ALLEY.
BUT THE EXISTING LANDSCAPING IN THAT ALONG THE EASTERN AND SOUTHERN PROPERTY LINE IS PRETTY AMPLE, SO THE GOAL IS TO IRRIGATE IT.
>> IF I COULD ADD, MISS CORIO.
ORIGINAL DESIGNS HAD THIS AS A PUBLIC ALLEYWAY, AND STAFFS COMMENTS WERE ACTUALLY TO PULL THE ALLEY CLOSER TO THE SOUTH TO AVOID CREATING AN ORPHAN LOT BETWEEN THE ALLEY AND THE HOMES TO THE SOUTH, AND THE APPLICANT WAS CONCERNED ABOUT REMOVING THOSE TREES, AND SO THE SOLUTION WAS THEN TO MAKE IT A PRIVATE STREET SO THEY CAN MAINTAIN THAT ALL ON ONE LOT AND PRESERVE THOSE EXISTING TREES.
>> THEN THAT DRIVE TO THE WEST, THAT'S TOTALLY CUT OFF, OR ARE THERE'S STILL A DRIVE CONCRETE GOING TO BE MAINTAINED THERE, AND THEY'RE JUST FENCING IT OFF OR SOMETHING.
>> PARDON ME. COMMISSIONER LINGENFELTER, YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THE CONNECTION BETWEEN THE SUBJECT PROPERTY AND THE WESTERN PROPERTY.
ONE OF THE STIPULATIONS FOR APPROVAL IS THAT IT BE GATED.
HOWEVER, THE APPLICANT HAS INDICATED THAT THAT POINT WILL BE USED FOR MAINTENANCE, TRASH PICKUP, CONCIERGE, SERVICE BETWEEN THE EXISTING PROPERTY MANAGEMENT AND THE SUBJECT PROPERTY.
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>> BECAUSE I WAS TRYING TO FIGURE OUT THE POINT TO EVEN LEAVING THAT ACCESS POINT.
>> IT'LL BE USED FOR MAINTENANCE SERVICES.
>> BUT THAT MAINTENANCE TRUCK WOULD THEN HAVE TO LOOP ALL THE WAY AROUND TO GET TO THE RECYCLE BINS.
>> IF THERE WASN'T THAT CONNECTION POINT, THEN YES, THEY WOULD HAVE TO.
>> THEY'RE GOING TO GO AGAINST TRAFFIC FLOW IF THEY TURN RIGHT FROM THERE.
>> THEY GOT TO MAKE THE CLOCK GO CLOCKWISE. [INAUDIBLE]
>> THE ALLEY WILL TEND TO BE ONE WAY BASED ON THE NATURAL FLOW OF TRAFFIC FOR CARS, BUT I BELIEVE GOLF CARTS ARE TYPICALLY THE MAINTENANCE VEHICLES USED.
I THINK JUST A GOLF CART USING THE GATE, GOING IN, PICKING UP TRASH AND THEN MAKING THEIR WAY BACK THROUGH THE GATE.
PROBABLY WON'T BE TOO MUCH OF A DISTURBANCE.
>> I WAS PICTURING LIKE THE DUMP TRUCK THAT COMES OUR HOUSE AND PICKS UP THE BROWN BIN THING.
>> I THINK GOLF CARTS HAVE BEEN WHAT HAS BEEN COMMUNICATED, YES.
>> MR. BRONSKI, DO YOU HAVE A FOLLOW UP QUESTION?
>> I DO. SHE MENTIONED THE ENTRANCE TO THE WEST, THE GATED ENTRANCE.
IS THAT REQUIRED TO STAY LOCKED OTHER THAN WHENEVER IT'S BEING USED BY MAINTENANCE?
>> THE REQUIREMENT IS THAT THE CONNECTION POINT BE GATED.
THAT IS WHAT THE STIPULATION SAYS.
>> MY QUESTION IS, WE REQUIRE DUMPSTER DOORS ON ALL OF OUR DUMPSTERS IN THE CITY.
THESE WILL NOT BE SERVICED BY A DUMPSTER.
THESE WILL BE SERVICED BY CART SERVICE.
>> NO, I UNDERSTAND. MY QUESTION IS, WE REQUIRE DOORS ON DUMPSTERS.
WE DON'T REQUIRE THEM TO BE CLOSED.
IF YOU DRIVE THROUGH THE CITY, YOU WILL FIND A LOT OF DUMPSTERS THAT HAVE DOORS SITTING WIDE OPEN.
MY CONCERN IS, IS THIS JUST REQUIRED TO HAVE A GATE, OR IS IT ACTUALLY REQUIRED TO USE THE GATE, SO THAT THE GATE STAYS LOCKED OTHER THAN WHEN THEIR MAINTENANCE IS USING IT?
>> THE REQUIREMENT IS THAT IT BE GATED. THAT'S IT.
THE IMPLICATION IS THAT IT WILL REMAIN GATED UNLESS NEEDED, BUT IF WE NEED MORE SPECIFICITY IN THE LANGUAGE, YOU'RE WELCOME TO ADD THOSE TO THE SPECIFIC USE PERMIT STIPULATIONS?
>> COULD I JUST ASK SOMEONE FROM THE BILLINGSLEY IF THAT'S SOMETHING THEY WOULD CONSIDER?
>> IF THEY CAN KEEP THEIR ANSWER REAL SHORT.
>> I APPRECIATE YOUR DESIRE TO MAKE SURE THAT THAT DOESN'T HAVE CUT THROUGH, BUT I JUST WANT IT FOR CLARITY'S SAKE?
>> THAT WAS REAL SHORT. THANK YOU. THE QUESTIONS?
A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS FOR STAFF.
JUST TO MAKE SURE THAT IT'S REALLY CRYSTAL CLEAR.
I THINK BECAUSE THIS IS SHOWN AS NEIGHBORHOOD, IN THE MASTER PLAN, THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, A LOT OF PEOPLE MAY HAVE ASSUMED IT WAS GOING TO BE SINGLE FAMILY.
I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT I MAKE SURE THIS IS CRYSTAL CLEAR FOR EVERYBODY INVOLVED.
THE MASSING, THE HEIGHT OF THE BUILDINGS, THE WINDOWS, ALL THOSE THINGS, THE REQUIREMENTS ARE NO DIFFERENT THAN WHAT IT WOULD BE IF SOMEBODY WAS BUILDING A SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENCE ON THIS SAME PARCEL, CORRECT?
>> THE SCREENING, THE TRAFFIC, THE NOISE, THE TRASH, ALL OF THOSE SAME REQUIREMENTS WOULD APPLY AS WHETHER IT'S SINGLE FAMILY DETACHED OR SINGLE FAMILY ATTACHED.
>> IF, FOR EXAMPLE, SOMEBODY DECIDED THEY WANTED TO BUILD SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENCES ON HERE, AND THEY WANTED TO PUT AN ALLEY IN THE EXACT SAME PLACE AND THEY WANTED TO HAVE THEIR GARAGES OPEN TO THE EXACT SAME LOCATION, AND THEY WANTED TO HAVE THEIR BUILDING BE TWO STORIES TALL WITH WINDOWS ON THE BACK AS A DETACHED PRODUCT, THAT WOULD BE ALLOWED AS WELL.
>> IF THE ZONING WERE APPROVED, YES.
>> IF IT WAS ZONED AS SINGLE FAMILY.
>> FOR THE PURPOSES OF THE RESIDENCE, I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE CLEAR.
I UNDERSTAND THERE'S A LOT OF CONCERN ABOUT THE THREE-STORY MULTI-FAMILY AROUND THE CORNER.
BUT AS FAR AS NEIGHBORS ARE CONCERNED, IF IT WAS A SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENCE, YOU WOULD HAVE THE EXACT SAME POTENTIAL QUESTIONS ABOUT GARAGES, ABOUT ALLEYS, ABOUT WINDOWS AS YOU HAVE TODAY.
WE OBVIOUSLY HAVE TO LOOK AT THAT AS A CITY ABOUT WHAT'S THE BEST LAND USE, BUT WE ALSO ARE LISTENING OR HEARING WHAT YOU'RE SAYING.
BUT I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT YOU'LL UNDERSTAND THAT IF WE LOOKED AT A DIFFERENT CASE, I'M NOT SURE IT WOULD ANSWER THOSE QUESTIONS ANY DIFFERENTLY THAN THE ANSWERS YOU'RE HEARING TONIGHT.
I'LL BE HAPPY TO TALK TO YOU ALL AFTER THE MEETING.
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I'M LOOKING AT IT, AND I THINK I WANT TO MAKE SURE WE WERE CLEAR ABOUT THE BOUNDARIES OF WHAT WE'RE CONSIDERING.SO WITH THAT SAID, I DO HAVE A ONE LAST TRAFFIC QUESTION.
THE CURRENT LOOP ROAD ALLEY IS 10 FOOT?
>> THE ACTUAL PAVEMENT IS 10 FOOT.
HOWEVER, THE TYPICAL RIGHT OF-WAY WIDTH IS 15 FEET WITH 10 OF THAT BEING PAVEMENT.
IT IS MEETING THE ALLEY REQUIREMENTS PER THE STREET DESIGN STANDARDS.
>> TURNING RADIUS AND EVERYTHING, WE'RE OKAY WITH ONE DAY IF THERE HAD TO BE A TRASH TRUCK THAT WENT THROUGH HERE THAT WE HAVE ADEQUATE PAVEMENT WITH AND TURNING RADIUSES, ETC, FOR TRASH SERVICE, SHOULD IT EVER BE NEEDED IN THE FUTURE?
>> OUR DEVELOPMENT ENGINEERS WOULD LOOK AT THAT.
I BELIEVE THEY HAVE REVIEWED THAT.
>> I KNOW YOU'LL GET TO A DETAILED ENGINEERING PLAN. ULTIMATELY.
>> DURING THE CIVILS, WE'LL LOOK AT ALL OF THAT, YES.
I KNOW YOU'LL LOOK AT THAT AS PART OF OUR DEAL, IT HAS TO PASS ENGINEERING REVIEW, BUT JUST WANTED TO GET ON THE RECORD.
THAT WAS ONE OF MY CONCERNS ABOUT MAKING SURE WE DIDN'T HAVE TRASH TRUCKS RUNNING OFF IN THE DIRT ONE DAY SHOULD THAT EVER HAPPEN?
>> I THINK THOSE WERE ALL OF MY QUESTIONS.
COMMISSION, ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR STAFF OR ANY OTHER COMMENTS AT THIS TIME.
DOES ANYBODY PREPARED TO MAKE A MOTION? COMMISSIONER BROUMATT.
>> I JUST WANT TO MAKE A COMMENT.
THE FACTORS TO ME THAT ARE MOST IMPORTANT IN LOOKING AT THIS CASE ARE THAT THIS PROPOSAL IS COMPLETELY CONSISTENT WITH THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
IT IS COMPLETELY CONSISTENT WITH THE FUTURE LAND USE MAP.
THE DEVELOPER HAS APPARENTLY GONE OUT OF HIS WAY TO COMPROMISE TO THE EXTENT THAT HE REASONABLY CAN WITH THE NEIGHBORS TO TRY TO ALLAY SOME OF THEIR CONCERNS.
I WAS IMPRESSED THAT WITH MISS MARTINEZ'S ATTITUDE, RECOGNIZING THE GOOD FAITH THAT THE DEVELOPER HAS SHOWN IN TRYING TO SATISFY THEIR CONCERNS FROM THE NEIGHBORS.
THE CONCERNS THAT WERE RAISED, I THINK, HAVE BEEN ADEQUATELY ADDRESSED.
FROM THE STANDPOINT OF TRAFFIC, 15 UNITS ARE NOT GOING TO GENERATE A SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF ADDITIONAL TRAFFIC.
THERE JUST AREN'T ENOUGH CARS THERE.
FROM THE STANDPOINT OF BUFFERING THE DEVELOPER HAS GONE OUT OF HIS WAY TO PROVIDE TO VOLUNTARILY RESTRICT THE HEIGHT TO 25 FEET WITH A FLAT ROOF INSTEAD OF A PITCHED ROOF.
HE HAS GONE OUT OF HIS WAY TO PROVIDE DETACHED GARAGES, WHICH WILL PROTECT LINE OF SIGHT TO A CERTAIN DEGREE BETWEEN THE SECOND STORY OF THE MAIN BUILDING AND THE HOUSES TO THE SOUTH.
HE'S PROVIDING A 15 FOOT SEPARATION BETWEEN THE SOUTHERN BOUNDARY OF THE DRIVEWAY AND THE SOUTHERN PROPERTY LINE, 10 FEET OF WHICH WILL BE A LANDSCAPE SCREEN.
MENTION WAS MADE A LITTLE A MINUTE OR TWO AGO ABOUT PRESERVING AS MUCH OF THE EXISTING VEGETATION IN THAT STRIP AS POSSIBLE.
WHEN I DROVE DOWN THERE YESTERDAY, I NOTICED THAT I COULD NOT SEE THROUGH THAT EXISTING LANDSCAPE.
IT IS ALREADY AN EXISTING LANDSCAPE SCREEN, AND IT IS IMPERMEABLE TO SIGHT.
THE DEVELOPER HAS ELIMINATED ANY CONNECTION WITH RED WOLF LANE.
IN DRIVING BY THE PROPERTY, I WENT AHEAD TO THE NEXT DOOR, TWO UNITS, AND I LOOKED THEM OVER AND I EVEN DROVE AROUND THE BACK SIDE OF THEM.
I NOTICED THAT THE FRONT AND THE BACK, FIRST OF ALL THE BUILDINGS ARE VERY HANDSOME.
THEY ARE A BROWN MASONRY, BRICK, SIMILAR TO WHAT THE SAME DEVELOPER PUT IN THE BEACON SQUARE DEVELOPMENT ON COIT ROAD, WHICH IS QUITE HANDSOME, AND HAS TOLD US THAT THEY'RE PROPOSING A SIMILAR DESIGN AND TREATMENT FOR THIS PROJECT.
WE'VE JUST BEEN THROUGH AUGUST AND THE LANDSCAPING WAS GREEN.
IT WAS NOT BROWN, IT WASN'T DEAD.
IT WAS WELL TRIMMED AND WATERED BOTH IN FRONT AND IN BACK.
I DID NOT SEE A SINGLE PIECE OF TRASH INSIGHT ANYWHERE.
I DIDN'T HEAR ANY NOISE ANYWHERE.
I DIDN'T SEE ANY BROKEN DOWN CARS, BROKEN DOWN WASHING MACHINES, REFRIGERATORS, CHAIRS, OR ANYTHING, ANY OTHER FORM OF TRASH OUT IN PUBLIC.
I SAW ONE CAR LEAVE THE DEVELOPMENT AND ONE MOTORCYCLE LEAVE THE DEVELOPMENT WHILE I WAS THERE, BUT IT WAS BASICALLY AN ATTRACTIVE PROJECT TO LOOK AT AND TO DRIVE THROUGH.
I ALSO DROVE THROUGH TIMBERWOLF TRAIL.
I FOUND THE HOMES THERE TO BE EXCEEDINGLY ATTRACTIVE AND DESIRABLE.
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NOTWITHSTANDING THAT THEY BACK UP ON THE WESTERN SIDE TO THE THREE-STORY APARTMENT COMPLEX IN THE COLONY.I ALSO DROVE THROUGH THE NEIGHBORHOOD ON THE EASTERN SIDE OF RED WOLF LANE, AND ALTHOUGH THE HOUSES ARE SMALLER, THEY ARE STILL VERY ATTRACTIVE AND A VERY DESIRABLE NEIGHBORHOOD TO LIVE IN.
NOTWITHSTANDING THAT THERE IS AN MF3 APARTMENT, MULTI FAMILY COMPLEX, CADDY CORNERED ACROSS THE INTERSECTION OF MIDWAY ROAD AND WINDHAVEN PARKWAY.
I HAVE NOT SEEN ANY VISIBLE EVIDENCE OF NEGATIVE IMPACTS FROM MULTIFAMILY OR SINGLE FAMILY ATTACHED AFFECTING THIS NEIGHBORHOOD.
I THINK THE APPLICANT HAS PROPOSED TO DO EVERYTHING HE POSSIBLY CAN TO TRY TO MAKE THIS A COMPATIBLE DEVELOPMENT.
AS THE STAFF HAS POINTED OUT, THIS DEVELOPMENT WILL PROVIDE A TRANSITION FROM THE MULTI-FAMILY OVER IN THE COLONY TO THE SINGLE FAMILY TO THE EAST.
FROM A PLANNING STANDPOINT, I THINK THAT'S A GOOD THING.
I THINK CONSIDERING IT'S A SMALL PLOT OF LAND, AND THEY'VE PROPOSED A VIABLE USE FOR IT, I THINK IT'S A GOOD THING.
>> THANK YOU. COMMISSIONER ALI.
>> I'LL ECHO A LOT OF WHAT COMMISSIONER BROUMATT JUST SAID.
THE THREE THINGS I WANTED TO HEAR THAT WE ARE CONCERNED WERE TRAFFIC MITIGATION.
ENOUGH OF A BUFFER SCREENING FROM A PRIVACY PERSPECTIVE TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD BEHIND, AND ALSO JUST GENERAL CARE AND CONCERN FOR THE AREA.
ALSO HOLDING INTENTION, THE FACT THAT THE ALREADY DEVELOPED, I FORGET, THE BUILDINGS TO DECIDE ON THE COLONY, THAT'S NOT PLANO.
PERHAPS IF THAT PATCH OF LAND WAS OURS, WE WOULD HAVE FORCED A SIMILAR 25 FOOT TO RESPECT THE INTEGRITY OF THAT NEIGHBORHOOD CORNER, BUT THAT IS THE COLONY.
THE PRICE POINT THAT WILL BE BROUGHT INTO THIS AREA, ESPECIALLY GIVEN THE PRICE POINT OF THE EXISTING HOUSING STOCK AROUND IT, IN MY VIEW, WILL FORCE THE BEHAVIOR.
>> LET ME INTERRUPT YOU A LITTLE BIT.
WE REALLY SHOULDN'T BE TALKING ABOUT PRICE POINT.
>> THAT'S FAIR. ALL THAT TO SAY, FROM A COMPREHENSIVE PLAN PERSPECTIVE, DIVERSIFICATION OF HOUSING STOCK COMING INTO THE AREA IS SOMETHING THAT WE HAVE TRY TO DRIVE, HAS RE-CRAFTED A COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AND THE GUIDING PRINCIPLES AND DESIGNATING THIS A NEIGHBORHOOD CORNER.
AT THE END OF THE DAY, IF I CAN THINK OF A BETTER USE, WOULD YOU WANT SINGLE FAMILY DETACHED IF YOU COULD GET IT.
BUT AGAIN, THAT WILL BRING, LIKE YOU ADROITLY POINTED OUT, A SIMILAR TRAFFIC, IF ANY, EXTRA GARBAGE CANS AND WHAT HAVE YOU THAT WOULD BE NEEDED BY THOSE RESIDENTS.
I AM IN FAVOR OF APPROVAL OF THIS.
I COULD MAKE A MOTION IF YOU'RE READY OR LEAVE OPEN FOR MORE COMMENTS.
>> I DON'T SEE ANY OTHER COMMENTS.
WE JUST HAD ONE. HANG ON JUST A SECOND. COMMISSIONER LALLY.
>> YES. I JUST DID A ROUGH CALCULATION, LET'S SAY.
IT'S ABOUT LIKE 8,500 SQUARE FOOT PER UNIT NOW, WHICH IS LIKE WE HAVE A SINGLE FAMILY 6.
IT'S GOING TO BE THE SAME SIMILAR DENSITY OF THE NEIGHBORING.
I KNOW THAT IT'S GOING TO BE DIFFERENT FROM THE SF 20 TO THE SOUTH, BUT IT'S SIMILAR TO THE DENSITY OF THE SURROUNDING PROPERTIES AS WELL.
IT'S NOT GOING TO BE DIFFERENT. I KNOW THAT THE RESIDENTS ARE.
THEY HAVE A LOT OF CONCERNS, BUT IF THEY LOOK AT IT, IT'S NOT GOING TO ADD A LOT OF DENSITY TO THIS AREA. THANK YOU.
>> THANK YOU. COMMISSIONER ALI, BACK TO YOU. THERE YOU GO.
>> I MOVE WE APPROVE AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 1A ZONING CASE, 2025-006 AS RECOMMENDED BY STAFF.
>> CAN I JUST ASK IF WE HAVE SOME ADDED LANGUAGE AS IT RELATES TO THE GATE AS MISS BILLINGSLEY AGREED?
>> I THINK THAT WOULD BE MORE WITH 1B IF WE [OVERLAPPING]
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>> IF YOU PREPARED TO SECOND THAT OR YOU WANT TO.
>> THIS WILL BE WITH THE SPECIFIC USE PERMIT.
THE GATED STIPULATION IS FOR 1A.
>> GIVE ME THE LANGUAGE. MR. BRONSKI, WOULD YOU LIKE TO SUGGEST LANGUAGE TO BE A MOTION?
>> I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THE GATE BEING THERE, BUT THE RESIDENTS ULTIMATELY HAVING SOMEBODY CUT THROUGH THAT BECAUSE THE GATES OPEN.
I'M NOT SURE THE LANGUAGE[OVERLAPPING]
>> CAN I SUGGEST, COMMISSIONER ALI, THAT YOU MODIFY YOUR MOTION TO SAY THAT THIS SHOULD BE AMENDED TO INCLUDE CONTROLLED ACCESS GATE?
>> I WILL GLADLY DO THAT, I MOVED THAT WE APPROVE AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 1A WITH THE STIPULATION OF A CONTROLLED ACCESS GATE TO THE WEST OF THE PROPERTY.
>> I AM PREPARED TO MAKE A SECOND WITH JUST THE COMMENT THAT I DO HAVE SOME CONCERNS AS IT RELATES TO THE TRAFFIC, AND THE THINGS I'VE MENTIONED, AND I HOPE THE CITY TRAFFIC ENGINEERING STAYS ON TOP OF THIS, INCLUDING THE U-TURN.
IF WE DO LOOK AT SOME WAY OF DISCOURAGING PEOPLE CUTTING ACROSS THAT WITH SOME BUMPERS ON THE GROUND OR SOMETHING, I FORGOT WHAT IT'S CALLED. I SECOND THE MOTION.
>> I THINK SOME OF THOSE COMMENTS WOULD BE RELATED TO 1B, BUT DULY NOTED.
>> YES. THANK YOU. I JUST WANT TO CLARIFY SO THAT WE'RE CLEAR ON THE MOTION BECAUSE STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION IS A TWO PARTER.
WE HAVE THE RECOMMENDATION ON THE ZONING CHANGE, WHICH WAS APPROVAL AS SUBMITTED.
THEN APPROVAL OF THE SPECIFIC USE PERMIT FOR THE PRIVATE SEAT SUBDIVISION, WHICH INCLUDED THE THREE STIPULATIONS OF WHICH YOU'RE REQUESTING TO ADD THE CONTROLLED ACCESS GATE?
>> FOR THE SUP PORTION OF THAT?
>> I THINK THAT WAS THE INTENT, IS THAT CORRECT FROM THE PERSON WHO MADE THE MOTION?
>> THE SECOND. WE WILL LEAVE IT UP TO THE STAFF, I PRESUME, TO DEFINE HOW TO DO THE CONTROLLED ACCESS.
ANY OTHER COMMENTS BY COMMISSIONERS? SEEING NONE. COMMISSIONER LINGENFELTER?
>> I KNOW IT'S PROBABLY SOMETHING WE CAN'T DO, BUT I AM CONCERNED ABOUT STILL.
I KNOW THAT THE TREES ARE VERY SCREENED AT THE MOMENT, BUT THEN IT DOES LOOK QUITE A BIT, WE'LL BE COMING DOWN.
THERE WILL BE HOLES THROUGHOUT THE SITE THAT'S COMMON TO THE SINGLE FAMILY.
I PERSONALLY WOULD LIKE TO SEE BETTER SCREENING THERE.
THAT'S BETWEEN THE ALLEY AND THE TRASH BINS AND THE RESIDENTS.
I WOULD HAVE LIKED TO HAVE SEEN A LITTLE MORE SCREENING THERE.
I THINK IT WOULD HAVE BEEN PROPER FOR THE EXISTING RESIDENTS TO AT LEAST DO SOMETHING THERE.
>> AS I LOOK AT THE PROPERTY LINE TO THE SOUTH THERE.
I DON'T NOTICE ANY OF THOSE TREES COMING OUT, AT LEAST ACCORDING TO THE MAP THAT I'M LOOKING AT ON 1B.
IT APPEARS LIKE THEY MADE A REAL CONSCIOUS EFFORT TO MAINTAIN AS MANY TREES AS THEY COULD. SORRY.
>> HANG ON. YOUR MIC'S OFF. LET ME TURN YOU BACK ON HERE. THERE YOU GO.
>> I AGREE. THEY KEPT A LOT OF THEM.
I THINK IT WOULD HAVE BEEN A GOOD EFFORT, I GUESS TO JUST TO SCREEN OUT A LITTLE BETTER.
>> ANY OTHER COMMENTS PRIOR TO THE VOTE? WE HAVE A MOTION IN A SECOND. EVERYBODY PLEASE VOTE.
ITEM 1B. WHICH WOULD BE THE CONCEPT PLAN FOR THIS SAME CASE. COMMISSIONER ALI.
>> I MOVE WE APPROVE AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 1B, SUBJECT TO CITY COUNCIL APPROVAL OF ZONING CASE 2025-006 WITH OUR STATED STIPULATIONS AND APPROVAL OF ANY VARIANCES TO THE INTERNATIONAL FIRE CODE BY PLAINTIFF FIRE RESCUE PRIOR TO SITE PLAN APPROVAL.
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>> WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND.
ANY COMMENTS REGARDING ITEM 1B BEFORE WE VOTE.
THANK YOU TO EVERYBODY WHO CAME OUT TONIGHT.
WE DO APPRECIATE YOUR INPUT AND YOUR TIME WITH US THIS EVENING.
A PRESENTATION AND DISCUSSION ON THE CITY OF PLANO HOUSING STUDY.
[2. (DB) Discussion – City of Plano Housing Study: Presentation and discussion on the City of Plano Housing Study. Project #DI2025-015. Applicant: City of Plano. (No action required)]
THE APPLICANT IS THE CITY OF PLANO.>> GOOD EVENING, COMMISSIONERS. I'M DREW BRONER, COMPREHENSIVE PLANNING MANAGER OF THE CITY OF PLANO.
THE PURPOSE OF THIS ITEM IS TO INTRODUCE THE RECENTLY COMPLETED HOUSING STUDY PREPARED BY THE NEIGHBORHOOD SERVICES DEPARTMENT.
I'LL PROVIDE A BRIEF BACKGROUND OF HOW THIS STUDY RELATES TO THE COMP PLAN AND THE WORK THAT THE COMMISSION DOES.
THEN WE HAVE SHANETTE EATON FROM THE NEIGHBORHOOD SERVICES DEPARTMENT TO SPEAK ON THE DETAILS OF THE HOUSING STUDY.
THE 2025 HOUSING STUDY PROVIDES AN UPDATED ASSESSMENT OF PLANO'S CURRENT HOUSING NEEDS AND GAPS AND REPLACES THE 2018 HOUSING TRENDS ANALYSIS.
THE DATED STUDY WILL NOW BE REFERENCED TO SUPPORT THE COMMISSION'S ROLE IN REVIEWING RESIDENTIAL ZONING CASES FOR CONFORMANCE TO THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
THE HOUSING STUDY DIRECTLY SUPPORTS THE CITY'S PLANNING OBJECTIVES AND ALIGNS WITH THE COMPREHENSIVE PLANS HOUSING POLICIES AND ACTIONS.
THE STUDY PROVIDES DATA AND MAJOR FINDINGS THAT HELP INFORM ADJUSTMENTS TO CITY PROGRAMS AND STRATEGIES, AND WILL SERVE AS A KEY REFERENCE FOR FUTURE ZONING AND POLICY IMPLEMENTATION.
IN ADDITION, THE CITY'S ANNUAL MARKET STUDY WILL SUPPLEMENT THIS WORK BY PROVIDING UPDATED DATA TO TRACK HOUSING DEMAND TRENDS OVER TIME.
SEVERAL COMPREHENSIVE PLAN POLICIES AND ACTIONS ARE RELATED TO THE OBJECTIVES OF THIS ANALYSIS, INCLUDING THE NEIGHBORHOOD CONSERVATION POLICY, WHICH FOCUSES ON CONSERVING AND ENHANCING PLANO'S ESTABLISHED NEIGHBORHOODS THROUGH PROGRAMS AND REGULATIONS THAT SUPPORT NEIGHBORHOOD IDENTITY AND OVERALL LIVABILITY.
NEIGHBORHOOD CONSERVATION ACTION NC4 PROVIDES GUIDANCE FOR IMPLEMENTING HOUSING STUDY STRATEGIES TO ADDRESS IDENTIFIED HOUSING GAPS IN COORDINATION WITH COMPREHENSIVE PLAN POLICIES.
AS PART OF THE 2025 COMPREHENSIVE PLAN MAINTENANCE REVIEW, THE COMMISSION APPROVED AN UPDATE TO ACTION NC4 TO FORMALLY INCORPORATE THE NEW HOUSING STUDY AS A GUIDING DOCUMENT FOR ONGOING HOUSING POLICY IMPLEMENTATION.
ALSO, THE SPECIAL HOUSING NEEDS POLICY EMPHASIZES SUPPORT FOR HOUSING OPTIONS THAT MEET THE NEEDS OF SENIORS, PEOPLE WITH DISABILITIES, AND LOW TO MODERATE INCOME HOUSEHOLDS.
FINALLY, THE HOUSING STUDY PROVIDES IMPORTANT CONTEXT FOR THE COMMISSION'S REVIEW OF RESIDENTIAL ZONING CASES.
WHEN EVALUATING CONFORMANCE TO THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, THE COMMISSION CONSIDERS BOTH THE FUTURE LAND USE MAP AND DASHBOARDS, WHICH GUIDE THE APPROPRIATE MIX OF LAND USES, HOUSING TYPES, AND THE DESIRED CHARACTER OF DEVELOPMENT, SUCH AS HEIGHT DENSITY AND FORM.
ALSO THE CITY'S HOUSING POLICIES AND DATA, INCLUDING THE UPDATED HOUSING STUDY, WHICH HELP DETERMINE WHETHER A PROPOSED ZONING CHANGE ADDRESSES AN IDENTIFIED HOUSING GAP OR NEED.
WITH THAT, I'LL TURN IT OVER TO SHANETTE EATON WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD SERVICES DEPARTMENT TO PROVIDE MORE DETAILS ON THE HOUSING STUDY.
>> WELL, HELLO. HOW ARE Y'ALL DOING? I'M SHANETTE EATON. I AM THE CITY'S HOUSING AND COMMUNITY SERVICES MANAGER.
IT'S REALLY NICE TO SEE ALL OF YOU ALL TONIGHT.
I'M GOING TO TRY TO NOT HOLD YOU TOO LONG AND LEAVE YOU SOME TIME TO ANSWER QUESTIONS.
THE CITY BEGAN THIS STUDY BACK IN JUNE OF 2023.
I'LL GET TO A ACTUAL SLIDE THAT SHOWS IT.
BUT THE PURPOSE IS, AS DREW JUST STATED, WE HADN'T DONE A HOUSING STUDY SINCE 2018.
WE TYPICALLY DO ONE ABOUT EVERY FIVE YEARS. IT WAS TIME.
YOU ALL WILL SEE I'M NOT GOING TO SIT HERE AND READ ALL THE SLIDES.
I KNOW YOU HAD 100+ PAGE REPORT TO REVIEW.
I'M GOING TO TRY TO HIT ON THESE HIGHLIGHTS TODAY AND BE HERE TO ANSWER ALL YOUR QUESTIONS.
BUT IT WAS TIME FOR US TO HIRE A NEW CONSULTANT TO ANALYZE WHERE WE'RE AT AS FAR AS HOUSING HERE IN PLANO, AND JUST LOOK AT MAYBE SOME SUGGESTIONS OR RECOMMENDATIONS REGARDING WHAT WE SHOULD DO GOING FORWARD OR WHAT WE COULD THINK ABOUT.
AS WELL AS IN RELATIONSHIP TO OUR EXISTING COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, WHICH IS WHAT DREW MENTIONED.
WE ALWAYS WANT TO MAKE SURE WE'RE IN TUNE WITH OUR SISTER DEPARTMENT, AS WELL AS HOW DEVELOPMENT GROWS THROUGHOUT THE CITY.
I STARTED DOWN THIS MAP THAT YOU CAN SEE.
A LOT OF THINGS HAPPENED DURING THIS PROCESS.
BUT OUR CONSULTANT SPOKE TO A LOT OF PEOPLE, OUR CITY COUNCIL, A LOT OF DEVELOPERS THAT THE CITY HAS WORKED WITH BEFORE.
THEY MET WITH KEY STAFF, THEY MET WITH DEPARTMENT HEADS FROM A LOT OF DIFFERENT DEPARTMENTS THAT YOU ALL ARE USED TO HEARING FROM.
YOU CAN SEE THE REST OF THE CHART HERE.
THEN WE WENT TO COUNCIL IN JULY.
JULY OF 2023, YES, TWO YEARS AFTER THIS STARTED, WE FINALLY WENT TO COUNCIL WITH IT.
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THAT WAS IN JULY.THESE MAJOR DEVELOPMENTS, THANKS MIKE TO NICK WHO UPDATED IT, BECAUSE THIS NEEDED TO BE UPDATED.
YOU ALL KNOW ABOUT THESE DEVELOPMENTS THAT ARE COMING HERE.
THEY'VE COME BEFORE YOU ALREADY.
I'M NOT GOING TO GO THROUGH THIS LENGTHY LIST, BUT EVERYTHING THAT'S UP HERE IN THIS NEXT PAGE YOU ALL HAVE SEEN.
LET'S GET TO THE MEAT OF THE STUDY FIRST.
THE STUDY ALSO FIRST LOOKED AT EXACTLY WHAT WE HAVE HERE IN PLANO WITH REGARDS TO WHAT WE'RE CALLING AFFORDABLE.
WHEN WE TALK ABOUT AFFORDABLE HERE IN THIS REALM, WE'RE SPEAKING ON THIS SLIDE TO SOMETHING THAT'S VERY SPECIFIC.
WE'RE TALKING ABOUT WHAT WOULD THE STATE OF TEXAS CONSIDER AFFORDABLE FROM A US DEPARTMENT IN HOUSING AND URBAN DEVELOPMENT STANDS.
WHEN YOU LOOK AT THESE, YOU'RE GOING TO SAY, SHANETTE, THOSE ARE ALL APARTMENTS AND I'M GOING TO SAY I KNOW THAT THEY ARE BECAUSE THE STATE LOOKS AT OUR HOUSING TAX CREDIT PROPERTIES AS AFFORDABLE, BECAUSE THOSE ARE THE PROPERTIES THAT THE CITY AND THE STATE, IN ESSENCE, BECAUSE THEY ARE THE ONES THAT MAKE SURE THAT THOSE PROPERTIES ARE ACTUALLY MEET THE REGULATIONS THAT THEY FIT.
ALL OF THOSE APARTMENTS FIT WITHIN IT.
HOUSING TAX CREDITS ARE FOR MULTI FAMILY.
WE DON'T HAVE AS MANY AS SOME OTHER SISTER CITIES, BUT THESE ARE THE ONES.
THE MAJORITY OF OURS, THAT'S SAY ELDERLY IN GENERAL, THEY ARE FOR ANYONE THAT IS 60% OR BELOW OF THE AREA MEDIAN INCOME.
THE HOUSING TAX CREDIT PROCESS, WHICH IS SOMETHING THAT I'M NOT HERE TO TALK TO YOU ALL ABOUT.
AS I LOOK AT MIKE, I WANT THEM TO GIVE ME THE EYE TO KEEP GOING AND NOT STAY TOO FAR IN THIS.
BUT THE IDEA HERE IS THAT THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT HAS HOUSED TAX CREDIT INCENTIVES FOR PRIVATE DEVELOPMENT OF HOUSING MULTI FAMILY SPECIFICALLY FOR THAT AGE PERCENTAGE.
OTHER THAN THAT, WE HAVE SOME PUBLIC FACILITY APARTMENT COMPLEXES THAT ARE UP HERE THAT ARE LISTED.
LET'S MOVE ON FROM APARTMENTS.
LET'S GO INTO EXISTING PROGRAMS. I'M JUST TRYING TO LAY THE GROUNDWORK.
THE CITY OF PLANO AND ALL THESE PROGRAMS ARE RUN OUT OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD SERVICES DEPARTMENT.
WE HAVE A NUMBER OF PROGRAMS THAT WE USE FEDERAL, AS WELL AS CITY FUNDED MONIES TO ENSURE THAT OUR HOMEOWNERS CAN STAY IN THEIR PLACE.
THEY CAN AGE IN PLACE, BUT NOT ONLY THAT SO THAT WE CAN HELP THOSE THAT NEED HOMES AND SOME OTHER PROGRAMS AND I'M NOT GOING TO MENTION.
I WILL QUICKLY HIGHLIGHT GREAT UPDATE REBATE BECAUSE THAT IS SOMETHING THAT'S HIGHLY USED HERE.
IF YOU ALL DO NOT KNOW ABOUT THE PROGRAM, CHECK IT OUT IN OUR CITE.
THANK YOU, VICE CHAIR, FOR SHAKING YOUR HEAD UP AND DOWN.
IT'S GLAD THAT THAT YOU KNOW ABOUT IT.
THAT PROGRAM INCENTIVIZES OUR EXISTING HOMEOWNERS TO IMPROVE THEIR HOMES.
FLAT OUT, WE GIVE A 5,000 REBATE ON THE BACK END.
IT'S CITY MONEY. I'M GOING TO MOVE ON.
WHEN WE GET TO HOUSING AFFORDABILITY, IT'S IMPORTANT FOR ME TO STATE THIS, ESPECIALLY BECAUSE A LOT OF TIMES I WEAR MY US DEPARTMENT OF HOUSING AND URBAN DEVELOPMENT HAT.
THAT'S NOT THE HAT I'M WEARING RIGHT NOW.
THE HAT I'M WEARING IS JUST GENERAL HOUSING MANAGER.
AS A GENERAL HOUSING MANAGER FOR THE CITY, WHEN I'M UP HERE TALKING ABOUT HOUSING AFFORDABILITY, EVERYBODY HAS AN AFFORDABILITY INDEX.
I DON'T CARE WHAT YOUR INCOME IS.
YOU KNOW HOW MUCH YOU CAN AFFORD BASED ON WHAT YOU ARE MAKING.
WHAT THE STUDIES SHOWED IN THERE AND WHAT I'M HERE TO HIGHLIGHT.
MIND YOU, THESE ARE 2023 NUMBERS, THEY ARE CONSISTENT STILL TODAY, A LITTLE BIT HIGHER IN RANGE.
BUT WHAT'S IMPORTANT WHEN YOU'RE LOOKING AT IT IS SOMEWHAT 120% OF THE AREA MEDIAN INCOME.
THAT'S A HOUSEHOLD BACK IN 2023 THAT MADE $105,241 COULD AFFORD A HOUSE ABOUT 305,000.
IF YOU SAY SHANETTE, OKAY, SO WHAT? THAT WAS 2023, LET ME GIVE YOU A SNIPPET AND HOPE THAT MY MATH WAS RIGHT.
IF WE WERE LOOKING AT IT RIGHT NOW, 120% OF THE AREA MEDIAN INCOME WOULD BE ABOUT $140,000, 14760, SOMETHING AROUND THERE, THE HOUSE THAT THEY COULD AFFORD TODAY WOULD BE 497,620.
I WANT Y'ALL TO REMEMBER THAT AS I KEEP MOVING FORWARD.
NOW WE'RE GOING TO LOOK AT THE RENTAL MARKET, BECAUSE WE DO HAVE RENTAL PROPERTIES HERE.
WHEN PEOPLE DON'T HAVE ENOUGH HOUSING OR HOUSING THAT THEY CAN ACTUALLY AFFORD TO BUY, THE ONLY THEIR ONLY THING LEFT TO DO IS TO ACTUALLY RENT.
SO WHEN YOU'RE LOOKING AT THIS, THE RENT MARKET.
THE ORANGE, OBVIOUSLY, IT SAYS HERE, WHAT'S IN PLANO, BUT I WANT YOU TO PAY ATTENTION TO THE LEVELS BY WORKER.
WE'RE GOING TO GO INTO WHEN YOU'RE LOOKING AT, WHAT IS IT? THE AFFORDABLE RENT FOR WORKER IN THE HEALTHCARE AND SOCIAL ASSISTANCE INDUSTRY.
THAT AREA RIGHT THERE, WHEN WE'RE LOOKING AT, THAT'S A MID RANGE ON HOW MUCH THEY'RE GOING TO MAKE THE AVERAGE AMOUNT THEY'RE GOING TO MAKE A YEAR.
THEY'RE HAVING A HARD TIME PAYING FOR THEIR RENT.
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WE SEE IN THE REPORT GOES INTO IT IN MORE DETAIL, I WILL GIVE YOU A BROAD SWATH, A LOT OF OUR WORKFORCE HOUSING, AND WHEN I SAY WORKFORCE, I MEAN OUR TEACHERS, I MEAN OUR SOCIAL WORKERS.I MEAN, OUR POLICE, OUR FIRE, OUR CITY EMPLOYEES, YOU NAME IT.
I CAN KEEP GOING ON IN THAT MID RANGE ARE SPENDING MORE THAN 30% OF THEIR INCOME TO LIVE HERE.
WHY AM I TALKING ABOUT THAT? BECAUSE WHEN I PUT BACK ON MY HOOD HAT, THE HOOD SAYS THAT IF YOU'RE SPENDING MORE THAN 30% OF YOUR INCOME TO LIVE SOMEWHERE, YOU ARE HOUSE BURDENED. YOU COST BURDEN.
LET'S LOOK AT THE FOR SALE PROPERTIES.
MIND YOU, THIS IS A LITTLE BIT MORE RECENT WITH THE 2023.
IT'S ACTUALLY A LITTLE HIGHER NOW.
WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE HOUSING THAT'S AVAILABLE IN EXISTING, NOT NECESSARILY THE NEW BUILDS, EITHER.
YOU ALL HEAR A LOT ABOUT NEW DEVELOPMENT.
IT'S IMPORTANT TO REMEMBER, I JUST GAVE YOU AN UPDATED NUMBER ABOUT THAT 497, WHAT HOUSEHOLD THAT MAKES 120% OF THE AREA MEDIAN INCOME COULD BUY.
THEY COULDN'T AFFORD TO BUY A HOUSE HERE IN PLANO, WITH THE MEDIAN SALES PRICE BEING $530,905 HERE IN PLANO BACK IN 2023.
THAT HASN'T GOTTEN ANY BETTER NOW.
MEDIAN SALES PRICES OF THE NEW UNITS OVER THE LAST DECADE IS 33% GREATER THAN THE EXISTING UNITS.
THE PRICE OF HOUSING CONTINUES TO GO UP.
THE CITY MIDWAY THROUGH OUR CONSULTANT IN THE PROCESS OF DOING THE HOUSING STUDY, ASKED THEM TO COME BACK AND DO A JOBS HOUSING ANALYSIS.
WHAT WE ASKED THE CONSULTANT TO DO, WE SAID, HEY, HOUSING IS A REGIONAL PROBLEM SO LET'S LOOK AT WHAT'S GOING ON IN THE REGION, AS FAR AS WE CAN, AT LEAST, FROM WHO'S GOING TO SHARE THE DATA.
LET'S LOOK AND SEE WHAT KIND OF JOBS ARE BEING BROUGHT TO THEM, AND WHAT KIND OF HOUSING GAPS ARE GOING TO EXIST. THEY LOOKED AT IT.
WHEN YOU'RE LOOKING AT THIS, THE DEMAND FLAT OUT IS EXCEEDING THE SUPPLY.
THERE ARE MORE PEOPLE IN NEED OF HOUSING ACROSS ALL INCOME RANGES.
NOT LOW INCOME, NOT HIGH, BUT ACROSS ALL INCOME RANGES THAT ARE IN NEED OF HOUSING.
HOUSING DEMAND, THE ONLY WAY THAT CAN GET BETTER IS FOR SUPPLY TO INCREASE.
LET'S TALK ABOUT KEY FINDINGS SO THAT YOU ALL CAN GET TO ASKING YOUR QUESTIONS.
THE FIRST THING IS WIDESPREAD HOUSING COST BURDEN, WHICH I BELIEVE THAT I MENTIONED THAT ALREADY.
OUR CONSULTANT LOOKED AT THE PROJECTED JOBS THAT ARE COMING HERE TO PLANO OVER THE NEXT FEW YEARS.
OVER 40% OF THOSE JOBS ARE PROJECTED TO HAVE INCOMES THAT ARE AROUND $80,000 A YEAR. GUESS WHAT? THAT MEANS THEY CAN'T BUY THAT HOUSE THAT I WAS JUST TALKING ABOUT.
THAT MEANS THAT THEY'RE GOING TO BE COST BURDEN.
IF THEY'RE GOING TO BUY IT, THEY'RE GOING TO BE GIVING UP SOMETHING EXTRA, BUT FOR AN EMERGENCY EXPENSE OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT, THEY'RE PROBABLY NOT GOING TO BE ABLE TO STAY THERE.
NOW, MIKE, I HAVE TO REMEMBER THAT I'M TALKING TO PLANNING AND ZONING AND NOT THE COMMUNITY RELATIONS COMMISSION.
LET'S KEEP MOVING. THE MISMATCH.
THE REPORT TALKS ABOUT THERE'S A MISMATCH IN HOUSING AND WORKFORCE.
THEN THE LIMITED AFFORDABLE HOUSING FOR LARGER HOMES.
THIS MEANS THAT WE DON'T HAVE ENOUGH HOUSING EITHER FOR RENT OR FOR SALE THAT IS IN A RANGE AFFORDABLE TO A LOT OF OUR RESIDENTS THAT NEED A THREE BEDROOM HOME OR RESIDENTS THAT WANT TO MOVE IN, THAT COULD BE A NEW FAMILY THAT WANTS TO COME AND BE HOME AND HAVE THEIR KIDS COME TO PISD.
THERE'S NOT HOUSING FOR THOSE.
AGING POPULATION THE NEXT ONE IS THE AGING POPULATION IS CONSTRAINING SUPPLY.
NOW, WHEN MY PARENTS SAW THIS, THEY HAD AN ISSUE WITH THAT.
THEY'RE 75, 76, MOVED TO PLANO IN 1982, AND THEY'VE BEEN LIVING IN THEIR HOUSE.
BUT THE REALITY IS IS THEY ARE AGING IN PLACE.
IT'S A BEAUTIFUL THING THAT WE HAVE PROGRAMS FOR OUR HOMEOWNERS TO AGE IN PLACE.
HOWEVER, IF THEY COULD FIND ANOTHER PLACE TO MOVE, THAT IS AFFORDABLE TO THEIR INCOME NOW, IF THEY MOVED, THEN YOU COULD HAVE MAYBE A YOUNGER FAMILY COME IN AND HELP THE SCHOOLS AND GO AHEAD AND BUILD UP OUR NEIGHBORHOODS AGAIN.
LET'S KEEP MOVING ON FROM THERE.
NEXT, THE HOUSING STUDY SHOWS THE MARKET ISN'T GOING TO FIX IT.
THE JOB HOUSING ANALYSIS THAT THEY DID FOR US LITERALLY SAID, HEY, PLANO, YOUR JOBS THAT YOU'RE BRINGING HERE, IF YOU DON'T BUILD MORE HOUSING,
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AND IT'S A DIVERSIFIED TYPE OF HOUSING.I'M TALKING ABOUT YOUR SINGLE FAMILY HOMES THAT MAY BE THAT PATIO HOME.
THE ONES THAT MAY BE SF6, THANK YOU, MIKE, FOR TEACHING ME WHAT THAT WAS, AND THE SQUARE FOOTAGE.
THOSE SMALLER HOMES, NOT JUST BIG HOMES, BUT A RANGE OF STILL OWNER.
IT COULD STILL BE OWNER OCCUPIED HOUSING.
THE MARKET ISN'T GOING TO FIX IT IF WE DON'T HAVE IT HERE.
NEXT, OBVIOUSLY, I'VE MENTIONED THIS.
THE REGIONAL HOUSING DEVELOPMENT JUST ISN'T KEEPING PACE.
THAT'S ON ONE OF THE OTHER SLIDES FROM THE DATA THAT WAS PROVIDED BY OTHER CITIES.
AND SO THE IDEA IS THAT WE WILL TRY TO DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT.
NEXT STEPS, I PUT THIS ON HERE.
I ALWAYS HAVE TO MENTION HOUSING TAX CREDITS BECAUSE THAT'S SOMETHING THAT HAS BEEN PUT ON HOLD SINCE 2022.
OUR CITY ACTUALLY HAD A HOUSING TAX CREDIT CONSULTANT TO LOOK AT WHAT EXACTLY SHOULD THE CITY BE DOING REGARDING HOUSING TAX CREDITS.
WE'RE GOING TO BRING THAT BACK TO COUNCIL NEXT WEEK ON MONDAY.
WE WORK WITH THEM A LOT, JUST ON SIGNIFICANT LAND USE POLICIES THAT THEY'RE BRINGING BEFORE YOU.
WE THANK YOU ALL FOR THAT. THANK YOU, DREW.
OTHER THAN THAT, WE'RE JUST GOING TO CONTINUE TO USE THE INFORMATION IN THE STUDY TO HOPEFULLY GUIDE DEVELOPMENT AND CHOICES THAT THE CITY MAKES.
I AM HERE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS, AND I JUST THANK YOU FOR HAVING ME.
>> COMMISSIONER ALI. THANK YOU FOR YOUR WORK.
YOUR PASSION IS EVIDENT, AND IT'S ALWAYS HEARTENING TO SEE FOLKS WHO WORK FOR THE CITY.
THAT IT'S NOT JUST A JOB, IT'S ACTUALLY SOMETHING YOU ARE PASSIONATE ABOUT.
CAN YOU GO BACK A COUPLE OF SLIDES, THE ONE THAT HAD THE BARS THAT SHOWED THE DIFFERENT METRO AREAS? I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE I'M READING THAT CORRECTLY.
IS THIS RIGHT, READING THAT OUTSIDE OF ALAN GARLAND, MESQUITE, AND PROSPER, EVERYBODY ELSE AROUND US, AND THE COLONY, EVERYBODY ELSE AROUND US IS IN A HOUSING DEFICIT?
>> THAT IS TRUE. AND WHEN YOU LOOK AT ALAN IN THE COLONY, OUR CONSULTANT WAS UNABLE TO GET THEIR DATA.
SO THEY LITERALLY HAD TO USE JUST ACS DATA AND KIND OF PROJECT FORWARD.
BUT YES, THAT IS EXACTLY WHAT THIS IS SAYING.
>> GOT YOU. EVEN WITH THE JOBS THAT WE'RE BRINGING INTO PLANO, OUR NEIGHBORING CITIES CANNOT EVEN TAKE, IT DOESN'T SOUND LIKE THEY CAN TAKE THE OVERFLOW.
>> THEY CAN'T ASSUME THE OVERFLOW.
THAT'S EXACTLY. THAT'S WHAT OUR CONSULTANT.
YOU HAVE ME TONIGHT, BUT OUR CONSULTANT WAS HERE IN JULY.
THAT IS EXACTLY WHAT THE CONSULTANT TOLD OUR CITY COUNCIL.
BACK TO DEFINITIONS, AFFORDABLE HOUSING, IS IT PEGGED TO A NATIONAL DEFINITION OF INCOME THRESHOLD, IS IT PEGGED TO THE SURROUNDING AREA? HOW DO I GAUGE?
>> WHAT HUD SAYS IS ANYBODY, REGARDLESS OF YOUR INCOME, SHOULD NOT BE SPENDING MORE THAN 30% OF YOUR INCOME ON HOUSING.
WHAT THAT MEANS IS THAT THERE ISN'T, IT MEANS THAT REGARDLESS OF WHETHER YOU'RE ON THE LOW END OF THE TOTAL POLE OR THE HIGH, IT IS AN AFFORDABILITY CONCERN.
US CENSUS BUREAU USES IT AS WELL.
THAT MEANS THEY WERE TRYING TO FIND A DEFINITION THAT'S BEEN AROUND FOR A LONG TIME, THAT REGARDLESS OF WHERE YOU FALL ON THAT INCOME RANGE, IT DOESN'T MATTER.
I'LL GIVE YOU AN EXAMPLE, A FAMILY OF FOUR IN PLANO MAKING $93,850 A MONTH.
A FAMILY OF FOUR IS CONSIDERED LOW INCOME.
I JUST WANT [INAUDIBLE] TO SIT, LET THAT SIT.
A LOT OF OUR FAMILIES ARE MAKING THAT AND QUALIFY FOR SOME OF OUR FEDERAL HOUSING REHAB PROGRAMS BECAUSE OF THAT.
BUT THE DEFINITION THEY'RE USING IS TO WHERE IT CAN BE APPLIED TO ANYWHERE.
THE PERSON MAKING $1 MILLION A YEAR, IF THEY'RE SPENDING MORE THAN 30% OF THEIR INCOME ON THEIR HOUSING, HUD IS GOING TO SAY YOU ARE COST-BURDENED.
>> UNDERSTOOD. BUT I'M LOOKING AT THE LIST THAT HAD MOSTLY MULTI-FAMILY AND WHAT HAVE YOU, THAT WAS CLASSIFIED, AFFORDABLE.
MY GUESS, CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, IS THAT THAT TAKES EITHER SOME KIND OF MEDIAN OR AVERAGE OF INCOMES AROUND THE SURROUNDING AREA AND
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DETERMINES IF THE RENT FOR THOSE STRUCTURES IS LESS THAN 30%, IPSO FACTO, THEY'RE AFFORDABLE.>> YOU ARE CORRECT. OKAY, WITH THE LIST THAT'S HERE, THEY'RE USING AFFORDABILITY BASED ON HUD.
WHAT HUD SAYS TODAY, 100% OF THE AREA OF MEDIAN INCOME TODAY, IN 2025, IF YOU LOOK AT HUD, THEY SAY FOR COLLIN COUNTY, BECAUSE THEY DON'T JUST LOOK AT PLANO, THEY'RE INCLUDING US IN COLLIN COUNTY, IS $117,000.
>> THEY'RE SAYING FOR THESE, IN ORDER TO LIVE IN ONE OF THOSE THAT SAY ELDERLY OR GENERAL, YOUR INCOME HAS TO BE 60% OF THAT.
IN ORDER TO BE CONSIDERED TO LIVE IN.
YOU SEE HOW THEY HAVE TOTAL UNITS AND THEN AFFORDABLE UNITS?
>> THAT'S WHAT YOUR INCOME HAS TO MEET.
WHO MONITORS THAT, AND WHO ESTABLISHES THE RENT, THE STATE DOES. THE STATE OF TEXAS.
TEXAS DEPARTMENT OF HOUSING AND COMMUNITY AFFAIRS.
THEY'RE THE ONES THAT MONITOR IT.
EVEN WHEN YOU'RE LOOKING AT THOSE PUBLIC FACILITY CORPORATIONS. THE SAME THING.
FOR THOSE 51% OF THE UNITS IN THOSE PFCS HAVE TO BE FOR PEOPLE AT 80% OR BELOW.
THAT'S MORE OF LIKE THAT FAMILY THAT I TOLD YOU, THAT'S A FAMILY OF FOUR MAKING THAT $93,850.
BUT EITHER WAY, IT GOES WHEN YOU'RE LOOKING AT THOSE, THAT IS SOMETHING THAT THE STATE DOES. THE CITY.
I'M NOT EVEN GOING TO SPEND A WHOLE LOT OF TIME ON THAT.
IT IS A STATE LAW, AND WE ABIDE.
>> WELL, IT'S A KNOWN THORNY ISSUE, AND THE FRUSTRATING THING IS IT FEELS LIKE THERE'S VERY LITTLE LEVERS TO PULL TO MAINTAIN THAT BALANCE OF AFFORDABILITY THAT KEEPS OUR FIREFIGHTERS, OUR POLICE OFFICERS, OUR TEACHERS AS PART OF THE COMMUNITY THAT THEY SERVE VERY WELL.
I DON'T HAVE ANY ANSWERS TO THE CASE.
I'LL BE VERY, VERY LOOKING FORWARD TO ANYTHING, STUDY, WHATEVER THE CASE MAY BE, BUT PAST STUDY, SOMETHING THAT WE CAN ACTUALLY GO PULL A LEVER ON AND PERHAPS DRIVE EVEN A LITTLE BIT OF A SOLUTION.
>> YOU ALL HEAR A LOT OF HOUSING CASES.
AS I LOOK AT MIKE TO SEE IF HE'S GOING TO GIVE ME THAT'S ENOUGH TALKING, CHINET.
BUT YOU ALL HAVE A LOT OF HOUSING CASES.
AND I JUST, IF I MAY, WITH MY HOUSING AND COMMUNITY SERVICES MANAGER HAT ON, SAY, WHEN YOU HAVE A CONSULTANT THAT TELLS YOU THAT THE CITY NEEDS A DIVERSITY IN HOUSING TYPOLOGIES, I AM ENCOURAGED THAT YOU ALL ARE GOING TO CONTINUE TO LISTEN TO THAT, AS WELL AS KNOWING THAT IT WOULD BE IN ALLIANCE WITH THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
>> THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN. WELL, CONGRATULATIONS ON THE STUDY, AND FOR, I THINK, PRESENTING THE PROBLEM TO US IN VERY DETAILED AND STARK TERMS. I GUESS, THIS BEGINS WITH UNDERSTANDING THE PROBLEM, AND THEN WE HAVE TO GO FROM THERE.
I WAS WONDERING IF ANY EFFORT HAS BEEN, YOU KNOW, WE TEND TO THINK IN CONVENIENT AND TRADITIONAL THOUGHT PATTERNS.
WITHOUT NECESSARILY THINKING THAT IT'S TIME TO THINK OUTSIDE THE BOX.
SO WHEN IT COMES TO DEVELOPING HOUSING, WE TEND TO THINK OF THE TRADITIONAL SINGLE-FAMILY DETACHED HOUSE ON A 6000 OR 7,000-SQUARE-FOOT LOT, OR AN APARTMENT COMPLEX CONTAINING AT LEAST TWO DIGITS WORTH OF UNITS OR THREE DIGITS WORTH OF UNITS, WITH THE SWIMMING POOL IN THE MIDDLE AND ALL THAT GOES WITH IT.
AND I'M WONDERING IF ANY THOUGHT HAS BEEN GIVEN TO CORRELATING AFFORDABILITY WITH SOME OF THE OTHER HOUSING TYPES THAT ARE OUT THERE THAT WE JUST DON'T SEE VERY OFTEN, SUCH AS DUPLEXES, TRIPLEXES, FOURPLEXES, MANOR HOUSES, STACKED FLATS, SINGLE-FAMILY ATTACHED TOWN HOMES, AND EVEN SINGLE-FAMILY DETACHED PATIO HOMES.
I KNOW THERE IS A DEVELOPMENT OF PATIO HOMES SOUTHWEST FROM THE INTERSECTION OF ALMA DRIVE AND PLANO PARKWAY.
FOR EXAMPLE, OF A STARTER-TYPE PATIO HOME, WHICH IT'S SMALLER.
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IT MIGHT APPEAL TO YOUNG COUPLES STARTING OUT.I DON'T KNOW HOW AFFORDABLE THEY ARE OR AREN'T, BUT THEY WOULD BE, I THINK, MORE AFFORDABLE THAN THE TYPICAL FOUR-BEDROOM 2.5 BATH BRICK HOME ON THE 7,000-FOOT LOT.
SO HAS ANY EFFORT BEEN MADE TO CORRELATING OR INVESTIGATING AFFORDABILITY IN TERMS OF THESE ALTERNATE HOUSING TYPES?
>> WELL, I KNOW THAT WE WORK WITH PLANNING A LOT.
I WOULD BE REMISS IN SAYING THAT THEY DON'T THINK ABOUT THIS.
THE PLANNING DIRECTOR WAS MY PREDECESSOR IN THIS JOB, WHICH IS GREAT.
I THINK STAFF, PLANNING, AND NEIGHBORHOOD SERVICES STAFF, AND OTHER DEPARTMENTS, WE DO LOOK AT THAT.
I THINK ULTIMATELY WE WORK TOGETHER.
THEY'RE FAMILIAR WITH IT, WE'RE FAMILIAR WITH IT.
AND THEN WE GO THROUGH THE REGULAR PROCESS, AS FAR AS DEVELOPMENT THAT COMES THROUGH TO YOU ALL, AND THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
I DON'T KNOW IF THAT REALLY ANSWERED YOUR QUESTION, BUT I DO WANT YOU TO KNOW THOSE SUGGESTIONS THAT YOU MADE.
IT'S JUST THOSE THINGS HAVEN'T COME THROUGH YET.
>> YES, I THINK WE'RE WORKING WITH THE ASSUMPTION THAT THAT IS TRUE WITHOUT EVEN HAVING DONE THE CORRELATION, AND WE HAVE, OVER THE YEARS, TAKEN MANY STEPS IN THE ZONING TO CREATE THE TOOLS TO ALLOW THAT TO HAPPEN.
I THINK THE CHALLENGE HAS BEEN THAT THE MARKET, THE DEVELOPERS, WHO DO NOT TYPICALLY GET OUT OF THEIR COMFORT ZONE OF WHAT THEY'RE USED TO BUILDING.
AND SO WE HAVEN'T SEEN A LOT OF REALLY EXPERIMENTAL, CREATIVE OPPORTUNITIES USE THE TOOLS THAT WE'VE PUT IN PLACE JUST YET.
>> WELL, FIRST OF ALL, I WANT TO THANK YOU FOR BRINGING THOSE HOUSING TYPES TO OUR ATTENTION, WHICH YOU DID, LIKE, A COUPLE OF YEARS AGO, AND IT JUST STUCK IN MY MIND.
AND I THOUGHT, OH. THAT'S WHY THEY TOLD US ABOUT IT.
WAY BACK THEN. DO YOU THINK THERE'S A POSSIBILITY THAT A SOLUTION TO THE AFFORDABLE HOUSING SHORTAGE MIGHT LIE ON A REGIONAL BASIS RATHER THAN WITHIN EACH INDIVIDUAL CITY? PLANO, ALAN MCKINNEY, FRISCO, THE COLONY.
>> IT'S KIND OF WHAT SHOWS US WHAT'S GOING ON.
IF EVERY CITY WOULD BUILD TO WHAT THEY KNOW IS COMING, AND POSSIBLY INCENTIVIZE AS NEEDED.
THE FURTHER NORTH PEOPLE GO, THEY'RE JUST TRADING TRANSPORTATION COSTS FOR HOUSING COSTS, AND IT STILL WON'T FIX THE REAL ISSUE.
AND THAT LITERALLY IS WHY, MIDWAY THROUGH THE STUDY, OUR CONSULTANT WAS DIRECTED TO DO A JOBS HOUSING ANALYSIS TO SEE IF MAYBE THE REGION, PLANO IS, I MEAN, WE'RE PRETTY MUCH BUILT OUT.
MAYBE THERE'S OTHER PLACES IN THE REGION THAT COULD TAKE CARE OF THIS.
THE PROBLEM IS IT'S HAPPENING EVERYWHERE.
>> YEAH, I JUST ADDED THE COMMENT THAT THE TRAVELING COSTS ASSUME THAT THE JOBS ARE NOT LOCATED WHERE THEY LIVE.
PLANO HAS THE LUXURY OF BEING A NET IMPORTER OF WORKERS.
ACCORDING TO THE HOUSING STUDY, IT POINTED OUT THAT TWICE AS MANY PEOPLE COMMUTE TO PLANO TO WORK RATHER THAN COMMUTE OUT OF PLANO.
>> COMMISSION BRONSKI. I HAVE SOME NERDY QUESTIONS.
BUT I WANT TO START OUT BY SAYING, THANK YOU FOR THE PRESENTATION AND THANK YOU FOR ALL THE WORK THAT YOU'VE PUT INTO THIS.
SO MY FIRST QUESTION IS, WHEN I LOOK AT IT, DO YOU THINK PLANO IS A SPECIAL PLACE TO LIVE?
>> WELL, MY PARENTS MOVED HERE IN 1982. I'M ONE OF FIVE.
I LIVED DOWN THE ALLEY FROM THEM.
IT IS MORE THAN SPECIAL TO ME, SIR.
I'VE LIVED IN PLANO FOR ALMOST 30 YEARS.
AND I DO THINK THERE'S SOMETHING SPECIAL ABOUT IT.
AND I HAVE A HESITATION TO SAY THAT BUILD TO WHAT'S COMING.
DO YOU SUGGEST THAT WE BUILD TO EVERY LAST PERSON WHO WANTS TO LIVE IN PLANO CAN LIVE HERE?
>> NO. THAT'S NOT WHAT I'M SUGGESTING.
I AM SUGGESTING THAT YOU ALREADY HAVE PEOPLE HERE, AND I USED A PERSONAL EXAMPLE, WHICH I DON'T ALWAYS DO THAT.
IF WE WERE IN FRONT OF THE COUNCIL, I PROBABLY WOULDN'T DO THAT.
BUT I USE MY PARENTS AS A PERSONAL EXAMPLE BECAUSE THEY ARE THE EXAMPLE OF WHAT'S GROWING.
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OUR COMMUNITY HAS A LOT OF 55 AND PLUS STAYING HERE, AND THAT IS WONDERFUL.AND THAT'S A BEAUTIFUL THING IN THEIR TWO-STOREY HOUSES THAT NOW THEY'RE LIVING ON THEIR FIXED INCOMES.
AND SO THEY'RE USING A GREAT UPDATE REBATE OR COMING THROUGH A HOUSING REHAB PROGRAM JUST TO STAY THERE.
AND WHEN YOU SAY TO MY PARENTS, I'M GOING TO USE THAT EXAMPLE, HEY, MOM AND DAD, Y'ALL SHOULD DOWNSIZE.
MY PARENTS HAVEN'T PAID A MORTGAGE IN FOREVER.
WE LIVE BY HENDRICK MIDDLE SCHOOL.
AND SO THEY'RE LIKE, WELL, CAN WE BUY SOMETHING THAT'S AFFORDABLE? WHERE IS THAT? WELL, THERE ISN'T THAT.
AND SO THAT'S WHAT WE'RE GETTING INTO, THE TYPES OF HOUSING THAT WE HAVE.
I'M NOT SAYING BUILD FOR WHAT'S TO COME.
I'M SAYING, LET'S LOOK AT DIVERSIFIED HOUSING TYPES REGARDING WHO'S HERE.
SOMETIMES YOU ALL HEAR PEOPLE TALKING ABOUT SCHOOLS CLOSING, AND THEY COME TO THE CITY.
BUT IF THERE'S NO PLACE FOR A FAMILY WITH YOUNG KIDS TO COME, LIKE MY PARENTS DID, THEN THEY MIGHT BE IN A HOUSE THAT COULD BE FOR THAT YOUNGER FAMILY.
BUT THEY SAY, WELL, WHERE CAN WE LIVE? AND SO THAT'S WHY I SAY IT'S A HOUSING CONCERN FOR THE WHOLE AND THE REPORT, NOT ME.
THE REPORT SAYS IT ACROSS ALL INCOMES.
IF WE DON'T HAVE ENOUGH HIGH-INCOME HOUSING.
AND THE REPORT MENTIONS THIS, THIS IS THE LAYMAN'S VERSION.
WE DON'T HAVE ENOUGH HIGH-INCOME HOUSING FOR THAT 150% OF THE AREA MEDIAN INCOME TO BUY.
THEY'RE GOING TO BUY THE HOUSING THAT IS FOR 100%.
THOSE PEOPLE ARE GOING TO BUY THE HOUSING THAT COULD BE AFFORDABLE TO THE 80% WHO WANT TO BUY, AND THEY DON'T WANT TO RENT ANYMORE.
EVERYBODY'S TAKING SOMEBODY ELSE'S HOUSING.
SO I'M GOING TO END IT LIKE THAT.
BUT I DO AGREE WE ARE A SPECIAL PLACE.
>> AND I AGREE. YOU USE THE $93,800.
MY FAMILY IS ABOUT 70, WE MAKE ABOUT 70% OF THAT.
OKAY. BUT I DID WANT TO GO BACK A COUPLE OF SLIDES TO, I THINK, SLIDE 50.
I THINK IT'S TWO SLIDES BACK? NO.
>> YOU SAID 50. KEEP GOING BACK. IT WAS A COUPLE.
IT WAS THE ONE THAT TALKED ABOUT THE AVERAGE INCOMES THAT ARE COMING TO THE AREA.
IT WAS $80,000 YOU SHOWED ON THE SCREEN.
>> NO. YOU TALKED ABOUT THE AVERAGE INCOMES FOR THE OCCUPATIONS THAT ARE COMING MOVING TO PLANO?
I MIGHT HAVE BEEN TELLING YOU THAT.
DID I ACTUALLY HAVE A SLIDE FOR IT?
>> THERE WAS A SLIDE THAT SAID $80,000, I THOUGHT.
>> I THINK I MAY HAVE TOLD YOU. HOLD ON.
>> MAYBE I WROTE IT DOWN AS 51.
IT WAS SOMETHING ABOUT LOCATION.
THE BOTTOM RIGHT CORNER SAID 51 WAS THE NUMBER.
>> OH, IT WAS IN KEY FINDINGS.
>> I'M SORRY. I WAS LOOKING FOR A CHART.
>> DOES THIS REPRESENT A TWO-INCOME FAMILY OR A ONE?
>> IT DEPENDS. THAT'S NOT A GOOD ANSWER FOR YOU ALL.
THIS IS BASED OFF OF, WHEN THEY LOOKED AT THIS IN THE REPORT, AND I HOPE I'M NOT ABOUT TO GET THAT WRONG.
IT'S DIFFERENT FOR EVERY INCOME.
A TWO-INCOME FAMILY MAKING $75,100 IS CONSIDERED LOW INCOME.
WHEN THEY'RE TALKING ABOUT 80%, I'M ALMOST CERTAIN IN THE REPORT WE BREAK IT DOWN, AND WE SHOW YOU LIKE, 80, 60 OR 80, 30, 50, WE BREAK IT DOWN FURTHER THAN THAT.
WHEN THEY'RE MAKING THIS GENERALIZATION, IT IS LOOKING AT THE AMOUNT ACROSS ALL OF THE HOUSEHOLDS TOGETHER THAT FIT THE 80% COLUMN, SO THAT'S LIKE THE ONE HOUSEHOLD, THE TWO HOUSEHOLD, THE THREE, THE FOUR.
>> I HEAR YOU TALKING ABOUT TEACHERS AND POLICE, AND I KNOW THAT THOSE POSITIONS TOGETHER WOULD PAY SIGNIFICANTLY MORE THAN $80,000.
IT SEEMS TO ME THAT IF WE'RE TALKING ABOUT PEOPLE THAT YOU'RE DESCRIBING, AND YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT SMALL FAMILIES, FAMILIES OF FOUR, WHEN I LOOK AT THE ACTUAL MEDIAN NUMBER THAT YOU'RE DESCRIBING, THEY'RE THEN WELL ABOVE WHAT THE MEDIAN $530,000 HOME IS, CORRECT?
>> I DON'T KNOW THOSE NUMBERS.
I DON'T WANT TO EVEN GIVE INTO THAT ONE.
>> I WANTED TO GO BACK TO THAT SCREEN AS WELL.
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>> I CAN'T TELL YOU IF EVERY TEACHER IS MARRIED TO A FIREFIGHTER.
>> I WAS JUST CONSIDERING A TWO-INCOME FAMILIES WHEN I WAS ASKING THAT.
>> THEN ONE MORE QUESTION AND THEN I'M DONE.
>> HERE'S WHERE I'M REALLY GOING TO NERD OUT, THOUGH.
WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT THE MEDIAN NUMBERS ON THE HOUSING CHART, SO THAT'S THE NUMBER IN THE MIDDLE, CORRECT? THAT MEANS THAT WHEN I'M LOOKING AT THE 530,000, THAT'S THE ACTUAL CENTER POINT NUMBER. RIGHT THERE.
>> THAT'S THE ACTUAL CENTER POINT NUMBER.
THAT MEANS THERE'S AN EQUAL NUMBER OF HOUSES SOUTH OF THAT AS WELL AS AN EQUAL NUMBER OF HOUSES NORTH OF THAT, CORRECT?
>> YES, THERE IS. THAT IS WHAT MEDIAN IS.
YEAH, YOU'RE RIGHT ABOUT THAT.
I WILL TELL YOU, WE WATCH THIS EVERY MONTH HERE IN OUR DEPARTMENT BECAUSE WE'RE ALWAYS HAVING PEOPLE WHEN WE USED TO HAVE A FIRST TIME HOME BUYER PROGRAM TRYING TO BUY HOUSES.
THERE ARE MONTHS WHEN YOU CAN GO ONLINE.
ACTUALLY, WE HAVE SOMEONE WITH A REAL ESTATE LICENSE ON THE TEAM.
YOU CAN GO ONLINE AND SEE THAT THEY'RE NOT AVAILABLE A LOT OF TIMES.
THAT'S WHY WE'RE HAVING TO USE THIS MEDIAN.
FINDING A HOUSE THAT DOESN'T NEED A LOT OF WORK, THAT'S 360,000 OR 400,000 IS HARD HERE IN PLANO.
I HAVEN'T LOOKED AT IT FOR THIS MONTH, SO I DON'T WANT TO TELL YOU THAT IT'S A HARD THING.
>> WHERE I WAS GOING WAS, YOU USED THE TERM RANGE.
I WAS CURIOUS, BEYOND MEDIAN, DO YOU HAVE THE MEAN AND THE MODE NUMBERS AS WELL?
>> I DON'T HAVE THAT HERE, NO, BUT THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE COULD GET.
>> IT JUST SEEMED TO ME THAT WE WOULD HAVE A FULLER PERSPECTIVE IF WE WERE LOOKING AT ALL OF THOSE NUMBERS.
THE IDEA OF DIVERSIFIED HOUSING, MY WIFE AND I LIVE ON A HOME THAT'S PAID OFF.
I WOULD MOVE INTO A PATIO HOME TOMORROW IF I COULD FIND SOMETHING THAT WAS REASONABLE THAT WE COULD SELL OUR HOME AND BE ABLE TO BUY ANOTHER ONE.
DIVERSIFIED HOUSING, I THINK IS VERY IMPORTANT.
I SERVED ON THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN COMMISSION, AND IT WAS A PRIORITY TO ME THAT WE HAVE THE DIVERSIFIED HOUSING LANGUAGE THAT WE DO CONSIDER PATIO HOMES.
AS MR. BRUNOV MENTIONED, CREATIVE, OUT OF THE BOX THINKING WHEN IT COMES TO THE AGING POPULATION THAT WE HAVE.
I'VE GOT A 22-YEAR-OLD DAUGHTER AND A 30-YEAR-OLD SON, BOTH OF WHOM ARE TALKING ABOUT HOUSING AND WHETHER THEY WILL EVER BE ABLE TO BUY A HOUSE.
MY DAUGHTER WANTS TO BECOME A LIBRARIAN, AND THAT'S $60,000 A YEAR, AND SO IF IT'S JUST HER, SHE'S GOING TO BE VERY HARD-PRESSED TO STAY IN A COMMUNITY THAT SHE'S GROWN UP IN.
I'M NOT BEING NEGATIVE ABOUT ANY OF THIS, BUT I DON'T WANT US TO JUST OPEN PLANO UP SO THAT IT NO LONGER BECOMES THE PLACE THAT YOU WANT TO LIVE VERSUS THE PLACE THAT EVERYBODY CAN LIVE TO BUILD WHAT IS TO COME.
I DO WANT TO MAINTAIN THAT SPECIALNESS, BUT I DO THINK IT'S VERY IMPORTANT THAT WE FIND PEOPLE LIKE YOUR PARENTS AND LIKE MY WIFE AND I A PLACE SO THAT WE CAN MOVE OUT OF A FOUR-BEDROOM HOUSE AND ALLOW ANOTHER FAMILY TO COME IN.
NOW, I WILL SAY, WHEN MY WIFE AND I BOUGHT THIS HOUSE, IT WAS A HOUSE THAT NEEDED WORK, AND WE MOVED INTO IT, AND WE TOOK OVER THE COURSE OF TIME THE VALUE OF BEING ABLE TO DO THE WORK SO THAT WE COULD BUY IT AT A LOWER PRICE POINT, SO I DO THINK THERE ARE A LOT OF FAMILIES OUT THERE DOING THAT.
I TEACH, AS WELL. I'M A TEACHER.
WHEN I HEAR YOU USE 30%, I TEACH MY KIDS 25%, BECAUSE THE DOLLARS WHEN YOU START GETTING TO 30 AND 40, AND SOME OF THE NUMBERS YOU USED, I THINK, 48%, WHEN WE WERE LOOKING.
I SAID, IF I GOT TO THOSE NUMBERS, MY WIFE WOULDN'T HAVE A THING TO EAT.
MY CHILDREN AND MY WIFE HAVE THIS THING ABOUT WANTING TO EAT.
WE HAD TO BUY A HOUSE SOMETHING THAT NEEDED SOME WORK SO THAT WE COULD GET INTO WHERE WE WANTED TO LIVE, TO BE ABLE TO HAVE THAT.
BUT TO BE ABLE TO DIVERSIFY THE HOUSING STOCK, I'M ALL ABOUT IT.
BUT I DO THINK WE NEED TO CONSIDER WHEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE MEDIAN THAT THERE ARE A LOT OF THOSE NUMBERS AT THAT 120%, THAT THESE FAMILIES ARE ABLE TO HAVE BECAUSE OF THE WAY THE NUMBERS ARE DIVIDED IN THE MEDIAN, AND THAT'S WHY THE MEAN AND THE MODE, I THINK, WOULD ALSO TELL US A LOT OF OTHER ADDITIONAL VALUABLE INFORMATION.
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>> THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR YOUR TIME TODAY AND LISTENING TO ME BLA BARON.
>> THANK YOU FOR YOUR COMMENTS.
>> I'M GOING TO JUMP IN LINE IN FRONT BECAUSE I DON'T HAVE A NUMBER BY MY NAME.
I'VE GOT JUST A COUPLE OF COMMENTS, AND I'LL DUCK IF YOU WANT TO THROW ROCKS AT ME BECAUSE I'M ONE OF THOSE 55 PLUSES THAT MOVED INTO PLANO, AND DIDN'T BRING KIDS.
IT'S NOT JUST PEOPLE THAT LIVE HERE THAT ARE AGING IN PLACE.
THERE ARE SOME OF US THAT ARE MOVING HERE FOR THE QUALITY OF LIFE THAT ARE ALSO ABSORBING SOME OF THAT HOUSING STOCK THAT IS SO VALUABLE FOR OUR YOUNG FAMILIES AS WELL, SO IF YOU WANT TO THROW SOMETHING AT ME, I UNDERSTAND.
>> OUR SITUATION IS NOT UNIQUE BECAUSE OF THE PRICE OF HOUSING IN PLANO.
IT'S VERY HARD FOR A PEOPLE RIGHT OUT OF SCHOOL OR PEOPLE WITH YOUNG FAMILIES OR PEOPLE THAT WANT TO MOVE HERE FOR THE SCHOOLS TO AFFORD TO BE HERE.
I'M GOING TO GUESS THAT YOU'RE SEEING AN OLDER DEMOGRAPHIC, EVEN THE PEOPLE THAT ARE PURCHASING HOMES JUST BECAUSE OF THE AFFORDABILITY INDEX.
>> THAT IS FAIR. YES. WHAT YOU'RE JUST SAYING. BACK THAT UP.
>> I'M SEEING A LOT OF 22 YEAR OLDS BUYING HOUSES IN PLANO, I WOULDN'T IMAGINE.
>> IF THEY'RE HERE, THEY'RE RENTING.
>> BUT THEY'RE LIVING WITH THEIR PARENTS, AND I'M NOT KNOCKING THAT AT ALL.
>> I DIDN'T SEE AND MAYBE I MISSED IT, BECAUSE I BE HONEST, I SCANNED THE REPORT. I DIDN'T READ EVERY WORD.
YOU TALKED ABOUT PEOPLE WHO ARE TRADING HOUSING COSTS FOR COMMUTING.
BUT YOU'RE SEEING ALL THIS INCREDIBLE GROWTH.
IT'S BEEN GOING ON FOR GENERATIONS THAT SUBURBS GROW, THE EXURBS HAVE BECOME THE FARMLAND OUT BETWEEN HERE AND OKLAHOMA.
NOW YOU'RE SEEING PROSPEROUS SALINA, ANNA POINTS WAY NORTH, THAT IS WHERE THE NEW HOUSES ARE BEING BUILT.
WHAT IS THE CONSULTANT IN YOUR OPINION ABOUT, IS THAT GOING TO HELP US WITH SOME OF THIS, OR IS THAT JUST SOLVING THE PROBLEMS FOR PEOPLE THAT ARE FURTHER OUT OF TOWN THAN WE ARE OR PEOPLE COMMUTING IN FROM THERE? I GUESS IT'D BE MY QUESTION.
>> THE CONSULTANT OVERALL GOES BACK TO THAT CHART DOESN'T THINK THAT THERE'S ENOUGH BUILDING TO BUILD US OUT OF IT.
I DON'T KNOW IF Y'ALL EVER DRIVE DOWN 380.
THE FURTHER YOU GO DOWN, IT GETS WORSE AND WORSE.
THOSE COMMUNITIES ARE STILL HAVING TO CATCH UP.
>> PEOPLE ARE CHOOSING TO LIVE OUT THERE AND COMMUTE TO PLANO, BUT IT CAN'T BE A PLEASANT COMMUTE.
>> BUT THAT'S WHERE THE HOUSING IS MORE AFFORDABLE THAN HERE.
>> JUST MY OBSERVATIONS OF THAT. THANK YOU.
THIS IS DESPERATELY NEEDED, AND IT'S A PROBLEM WITHOUT A SOLUTION.
I'M AFRAID, BUT WE CAN KEEP WORKING TOWARDS IT.
COMMISSIONER ALI, YOU'RE NEXT.
>> I'M GOING TO TRY AND PROPOSE A SOLUTION.
ONE, I THINK ONE OF THE THINGS THAT EXACERBATES THIS PROBLEM IS PLANO IS DOING ITS OWN STUDY, ALLEN IS DOING ITS OWN STUDY, MCKINNEY IS DOING ITS OWN STUDY.
EVERYBODY IS DOING ITS OWN STUDY IN A SMALL PACE, VERSUS WHERE WE SHOULD BE LOOKING AT ALMOST LIKE A REGIONAL TOGETHER.
WHAT IS THE HOUSING DIVERSIFICATION ACROSS NORTH TEXAS, DFW, COLLIN COUNTY.
EACH PLANNING DEPARTMENTS NEED TO HAVE A KUMBAYA POWER AND WHAT HAVE YOU.
SECONDLY, THE SOLUTION, I THINK, TO HOUSING DIVERSIFICATION, IT'S NOT NECESSARILY HOUSING.
I THINK IT'S OUR TRANSPORTATION GRID AND THE ABILITY TO GO IN AND OUT TO BE A BIT BETTER CONNECTED.
BECAUSE THE SALINAS AND THE BUILDERS AND WHAT HAVE YOU.
I HAVE A FRIEND WHO LITERALLY JUST BUILT A NEW HOUSE IN SALINA. IT'S NOT CHEAPER.
IT'S ACTUALLY ALMOST EXPENSIVE, IF IF NOT MORE, EVEN THOUGH THE COMMUTE IS GREATER.
SECONDLY, AND IT'S SOMETHING WE ADDRESSED WHEN WE'RE LOOKING AT THE JC PENNEY BUILD, IS ESSENTIALLY TRYING TO BRING IN A DIVERSIFICATION OF HOUSING STOCK, HIGHER QUALITY, ALTHOUGH IT WAS MULTIFAMILY AND WHAT HAVE YOU, THAT ALMOST RELEASES THE LOG JAM IN THAT FLOW.
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BUT I WILL TRADE MOWING MY LAWN FOR A BELLMAN AND SOMEBODY WHO CAN MAINTAIN WHATEVER IN A NICELY KEPT HIGH RISE AND THINGS OF THAT NATURE.PART OF THE PROBLEM IS WE'RE LOOKING AT EVERYTHING IN ISOLATION.
IF WE LOOK AT IT FROM A MORE LARGER TAPESTRY, PERHAPS WE CAN START MOVING THIS.
NOW, GOOD LUCK GETTING ALL THE CITIES TO TALK TO EACH OTHER.
I'LL LEAVE THAT TO THE PROFESSIONALS TO DO.
BUT JUST A SUGGESTION, A WIDER LENS AND APERTURE.
>> I THINK WE HAVE A CHALLENGE, MIKE.
>> WE USUALLY LINK AFFORDABILITY WITH LOWER STANDARD.
I'M THINKING, PROBABLY, WE HAVE TO WORK IN OUR PLANNING DEPARTMENT.
MAYBE WE HAVE TO WORK ON OUR STANDARDS A LITTLE BIT, BECAUSE A NEW DEVELOPMENT, LIKE THE ONE THAT YOU MENTIONED AND JC PENNEY, EVEN IF IT'S FOR 55 AND OLDER, THEY BUILD IT AT A VERY HIGH STANDARD, AND WE DON'T WANT A LOW STANDARD BUILT, MAYBE THE DIVERSITY TO DIVERSIFY WITHIN THE SAME COMPLEX.
WE KEEP THE STANDARD, BUT WE MAKE THE BUILD SOMEHOW AFFORDABLE, BECAUSE WE ALWAYS SEE THOSE APARTMENTS.
OH, IT'S GOING TO BE LOW STANDARD, VERY CHEAP STANDARD BUILT. WE DON'T WANT THAT.
EVEN IF IT DOESN'T PUT ALL THESE HIGH END MATERIALS OR FINISHES OR SOMETHING, BUT IT'S STILL THE COMMUNITY AS A WHOLE, CAN BE THROUGH LANDSCAPING, THROUGH MAYBE THE EXTERIOR MATERIAL, OR SOMEHOW, WE CAN WORK IT OUT.
IT'S NOT A BURDEN TO THE COMMUNITY OR IT'S NOT AN EYESORE IN THE COMMUNITY.
WE KEEP IT BEAUTIFUL, BUT AT THE SAME TIME, WE DON'T HAVE TO PUT THOSE VERY EXPENSIVE EVEN FOR PEOPLE LIKE 4,500 OR 3,500 PER MONTH RENT.
THIS IS ONE. I HAVE ANOTHER QUESTION.
DO WE MIND IF WE ENCOURAGE OUR BUSINESS PART AND HAVE THE PEOPLE LIVE SOMEWHERE AND THEY COME AND SPEND THEIR MONEY IN OUR CITY? THIS IS JUST A QUESTION.
WE KNOW THAT WE HAVE A SHORTAGE IN HOUSING.
BUT IF WE STRENGTHEN OUR RETAIL, BUSINESS, OFFICES, AND HOW THE PEOPLE COMMUTE TO US WHEREVER THEY LIVE, WOULD THAT BE A BAD THING OR A GOOD THING TO THE CITY?
>> I'LL ANSWER THAT ONE BECAUSE I THINK THE CHALLENGE IS THAT EMPLOYERS NEED EMPLOYEES.
IT'S NOT JUST ABOUT COMING HERE FOR RETAIL AND RESTAURANT.
IT'S ABOUT COMING HERE TO WORK, AND SO FOR OUR CORPORATE PARTNERS TO BE ABLE TO THRIVE, THEY NEED AN EMPLOYEE BASE.
THOSE ARE THE PEOPLE THAT COME EVERY DAY.
NOT JUST ON FRIDAY NIGHTS OR SATURDAY AFTERNOONS.
I THINK THAT'S THE DRIVING FORCE IS TO HAVE GOOD QUALITY EMPLOYMENT BASE.
WE'VE GOT TO HAVE HOUSING FOR THOSE EMPLOYEES.
BUT HOPEFULLY THEY SPEND MONEY WHILE THEY'RE HERE, TOO.
>> THEY SHOULD. FOR LUNCHES AND DINNERS.
>> LET ME ADD TO THAT. GETTING NEW BLOOD INTO PLANO IS WHAT REVITALIZES THE HOUSING STOCK.
I RENTED FIRST IN PLANO FOR THREE YEARS WHILE WE FIGURED OUT WHAT SCHOOL WOULD BEST SERVE OUR KIDS.
THEN WHEN WE BOUGHT, WE'VE THROWN A COUPLE OF $100,000 INTO THE HOUSE TO MAKE IT UP TO WHAT WE DO.
WHAT TENDS TO HAPPEN IN THE OLDER RUNDOWN SINGLE FAMILY HOMES IN PLANO, I'M GOING TO GENERALIZE.
IF THEY ARE COMING INTO PLANO RIGHT NOW CANNOT AFFORD IT, BUT THEY'VE BEEN HERE FOR A WHILE AND WHAT HAVE YOU.
ACTUALLY, TO YOUR POINT ABOUT RUNDOWN MULTIFAMILY AND WHAT HAVE YOU, I THINK THERE'S AN EQUAL PROBLEM ON RUNDOWN LOOKING SINGLE FAMILY.
DETACHED. THE SYSTEM IS GUNKED UP, AND THERE'S NOT BLOOD FLOWING THROUGH THE SYSTEM.
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IT LIFTS THE WHOLE VIBE OF THE COMMUNITY, AND IT'S NOT JUST A SOLVE FOR AFFORDABILITY, IT'S OVERALL TO REVITALIZE PLANO.WE HAVE TO GET THE SYSTEM MOVING AGAIN.
>> YOU'RE SUGGESTING WE NEED A HIGHER TURN RATE, WHICH BECOMES A CHICKEN AND EGG PROBLEM.
>> ANY OTHER COMMENTS? NOBODY? THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
THIS HAS BEEN VERY INFORMATIVE.
I HAVE TO REPEAT WHAT COMMISSIONER ALI LED WITH.
IT'S OBVIOUS THAT YOU ENJOY YOUR JOB.
YOU'RE STILL SMILING AT EIGHT, WHATEVER IT IS AT NIGHT AND ENJOYING WHAT YOU DO.
>> WE APPRECIATE IT. DO WE HAVE ANY OTHER BUSINESS BEFORE THE COMMISSION THIS EVENING?
>> ALL RIGHT, WE'LL STAND ADJOURNED AT 8:30 P.M.
* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.