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          [Call to Order]
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          I NOW DECLARE THAT THE PLANO CITY COUNCIL HAS CONVENED AN OPEN SESSION THAT ALL COUNCIL MEMBERS ARE PRESENT RECORDING IN PROGRESS. 
          THE COUNCIL WILL NOW RECESS 
          [Executive Session]
INTO EXECUTIVE SESSION AND TRAINING ROOM MAY TO HOLD A CLOSED EXECUTIVE MEETING PURSUANT TO THE PROVISIONS OF VERNON'S TEXAS CODES ANNOTATED GOVERNMENT CODE CHAPTER 5 51. 
          THE OPEN MEETINGS ACT IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE AUTHORITY CONTAINED IN SECTION 5 51 0 71 TO CONSULT WITH THE ATTORNEY, RECEIVE LEGAL ADVICE AND DISCUSS LITIGATION AND SECTION 5 51 0 74 TO DISCUSS PERSONNEL MATTERS. 
          THANK YOU. 
          AN ADDED CLEAR THAT THE PLAINTIFF CITY COUNCIL IS CONVENED IN OPEN SESSION THAT ALL COUNCIL MEMBERS ARE PRESENT. 
          I'LL START WITH, UH, ITEM NUMBER ONE, 
          [I. Overview of 2024-25 Budget & Community Investment Program (CIP) ]
OVERVIEW OF THE 24 25 BUDGET AND COMMUNITY INVESTMENT PROGRAM. 
          MARK. 
          THANK YOU MAYOR. 
          UH, MAYOR AND COUNCIL. 
          I AM PLEASED TO PRESENT YOU WITH THE 2020 5 26 CITY MANAGER'S RECOMMENDED BUDGET. 
          THIS RECOMMENDED BUDGET, UH, FUNDS ORGANIZATIONAL AND COMMUNITY PRIORITIES THAT WILL KEEP PLANO AS THE PREMIER CITY IN NORTH TEXAS. 
          I'D LIKE TO BEGIN WITH THANKING TEAM PLANO, UH, OUR EXECUTIVE STAFF, OUR BUDGET STAFF FOR ALL THEIR WORK. 
          UH, TO COMPILE THIS BUDGET, OUR EMPLOYEES CONTINUE TO BE OUR GREATEST ASSET AND KEEP US THE CITY OF EXCELLENCE. 
          AND THIS WOULD NOT HAVE BEEN ABLE TO BE COMPLETED WITHOUT THEIR ASSISTANCE. 
          LAST YEAR, THE CITY WAS PRESENTED WITH A FINANCIAL FORECAST INDICATING THE NEED FOR THE CITY TO IMPLEMENT OUR BUDGET CONTINGENCY PLAN, INCLUDING A HIRING FREEZE, AND MAKE SOME STRATEGIC CHANGES TO OUR BUDGET PHILOSOPHY. 
          THE CITY ACCELERATED THE IMPLEMENTATION OF OUR FIVE-YEAR FISCAL ROADMAP, UH, PROJECT THAT PROVIDES THE FRAMEWORK FOR A COMPREHENSIVE REVIEW OF FINANCIAL POLICIES AND PRACTICES TO ADAPT TO FLATTENING REVENUES AND CONTINUED REDUCTION IN DEVELOPABLE LAND. 
          ADDITIONALLY, THE CITY STUDIED SEVERAL HIGH PERFORMING CITIES, UH, TO UNDERSTAND INDUSTRY BEST PRACTICES, WHICH RESULTED IN THE CITY ADOPTING POLICY CHANGES FOR FUND BALANCES AND COST RECOVERY OF FEES TO ENSURE PLANO STAYS FINANCIALLY STRONG IN THE FUTURE AND REMAINS THE CITY OF EXCELLENCE. 
          THOSE ACTIONS TOWARDS REDUCING COSTS, CHANGING POLICIES AND ADAPTING NEW PRACTICES HAVE PLACED THE CITY ON SOLID FINANCIAL FOUNDATION FOR THE UPCOMING FISCAL YEAR. 
          AS A REMINDER, THE CITY IS A SERVICE INDUSTRY, AND WE ARE IMPACTED BY THE SAME ECONOMIC CONDITIONS AFFECTING THE REST OF THE BUSINESS COMMUNITY, INCLUDING LABOR SCARCITY, WAGE, WAGE ESCALATION, AND INFLATION. 
          THE CITY MUST ADAPT TO THE NEEDS OF THE PLANO COMMUNITY, INCLUDING AGING, INFRASTRUCTURE, CHANGING POPULATIONS, TECHNOLOGY DISRUPTION, AND NEW DEVELOPMENT. 
          SHIFTING TO REDEVELOPMENT REVENUE GROWTH HAS TO MATCH THE INCREASED COST FOR PROGRAMS AND SERVICES EXPECTED BY OUR BUSINESSES AND CITIZENS, AND THE CITY MUST OR THE CITY MUST CONSIDER SERVICE REDUCTIONS. 
          WHILE THE 25 26 BUDGET BEING PRESENTED IS BASED ON LAST YEAR'S TAX RATE, I BELIEVE THE CITY SHOULD CONSIDER A TAX RATE, WHICH PROVIDES AN INCREASE IN REVENUE TO KEEP UP WITH SERVICE DEMANDS, THE NEW BOND AUTHORITY, AND TO REMAIN COMPETITIVE FOR STAFF IN THE METROPLEX. 
          THE CITY OF PLANO REMAINS THE BEST OVERALL VALUE AMONG ANY CITY AND DFW AND POSSIBLY ACROSS THE STATE OF TEXAS. 
          WE DO THIS THROUGH THE BALANCING OF THE SAME FIVE GOALS THAT WE'VE HAD SINCE I'VE BECOME CITY MANAGER. 
          THE FIRST IS OUR FINANCIAL POLICIES. 
          THE CITY MAINTAINS THESE FINANCIAL POLICIES TO ENSURE THAT WE MAINTAIN OUR AAA BOND RATING, AND THESE POLICIES HELP US TO WEATHER ECONOMIC CYCLES THAT CAN DRAMATICALLY AFFECT SERVICE LEVELS FOR CITIZENS AND BUSINESSES. 
          THE CITY, AGAIN, ON THE POLICY SIDE, IS MOVING TO YEAR TWO OF THE FIVE-YEAR FINANCIAL ROADMAP THAT CREATES REVISED POLICIES AND PRACTICES, AND WE WILL HAVE ADDITIONAL DECISIONS FOR THE COUNCIL TO MAKE IN THE UPCOMING YEAR FOR PERSONNEL. 
          WE ARE CONTINUE TO LOOK FOR WAYS TO ATTRACT AND RETAIN OUR GREATEST ASSETS. 
          THE CITY HAS EVALUATED OUR COMPENSATION PHILOSOPHY, WHICH SHOWS THE ORGANIZATION REMAINS HIGHLY COMPETITIVE FOR PERSONNEL. 
          THE 25 26 RECOMMENDED BUDGET INCLUDES STEP INCREASES FOR PUBLIC SAFETY AND ACROSS THE BOARD BA PAY INCREASES AND THE NET EDITION OF TWO POSITIONS. 
          QUALITY INFRASTRUCTURE, AS YOU KNOW, IS A PRIORITY FOR THE CITY. 
          THE CITIZENS, UH, GRANTED THE AUTHORITY FOR THE, UH, CITY TO ISSUE $648 MILLION IN NEW AUTHORITY FOR CAPITAL PROJECTS. 
          SO WE HAVE A LOT OF WORK TO DO, AND OUR CIP IS REFLECTED WITH $321 MILLION WORTH OF PROJECTS IN 25 26, INCLUDING BRINGING ON ADDITIONAL OPERATIONS AND MAINTENANCE OF $93,000. 
          WELL, WE HAVE ALL THAT WORK TO DO. 
          WE ARE NOT CREATING ANY NEW PROGRAMS OR SERVICES. 
          WE ARE STICKING WITH WHAT WE HAVE AND TRYING TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY STAY AT EXTREMELY HIGH LEVEL. 
          AND THEN ON AFFORDABILITY, THE, THE CITY NOW HAS AN AVERAGE HOUSE VALUE OF $591,947. 
          THIS IS AN INCREASE OF 2.1% FROM THE PREVIOUS YEAR, BUT THE CITY IS GENEROUS IN OFFERING SAVINGS TO OUR CITIZENS OF THE MAXIMUM 20% HOMESTEAD EXEMPTION. 
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AND WE ALSO HAVE OUR SENIOR TAX FREEZE. 
          IN CONCLUSION, I AGAIN WANT TO THANK OUR EXECUTIVE TEAM, UH, THE DEPUTY CITY MANAGERS, THE THE BUDGET AND RESEARCH, UH, DEPARTMENT FOR THEIR TREMENDOUS EFFORTS IN PUTTING TOGETHER THE BUDGET IN THE COMMUNITY INVESTMENT PROGRAM. 
          AND WITH THAT, I'LL TURN IT OVER TO KAREN RHODES 
          [III. Budget Presentation]
WHITLEY TO PRESENT THE BUDGET. 
          THANK YOU, MARK. 
          WELCOME, KAREN. 
          THANK YOU. 
          I'M GONNA SKIP OVER THE PRIORITIES. 
          MARK JUST WENT THROUGH THOSE. 
          YES. 
          THE BUDGET THAT Y'ALL RECEIVED ON MONDAY TOTALS $928 MILLION. 
          THIS IS FOR ALL THE COMBINED BUDGET. 
          THIS IS THE REVENUE SIDE OF THE EQUATION. 
          THE TAXES, WHICH INCLUDE PROPERTY TAXES AND SALES TAX. 
          TOTALS, 388 MILLION CHARGES FOR SERVICES, TOTALS 333 MILLION. 
          THAT'S THE SECOND LARGEST REVENUE. 
          AND THAT ACCOUNTS FOR LIKE YOUR WATER AND SEWER PAYMENT, SOLID WASTE, UH, PARKS AND REC. 
          UH, THAT'S THE SECOND LARGEST. 
          OUR THIRD LARGEST IS THE FUND BALANCE, WHICH IS $137.8 MILLION. 
          THIS INCLUDES ALL THE FUND BALANCES ON OUR FINANCIAL POLICIES. 
          SINCE WE WANT TO HAVE STRUCTURALLY BALANCED BUDGETS, WE DO HAVE FINANCIAL POLICIES THAT STIPULATE THE DAYS OF WORKING CAPITAL THAT ARE REQUIRED TO BE KEPT IN THE FUND, AND THAT'S WHERE YOU WILL SEE THESE. 
          AS FAR AS THE EXPENDITURE SIDE, IT TOTALS $788 MILLION. 
          OUR NUMBER ONE EXPENDITURE IS WATER AND SEWER. 
          WATER AND SEWER TOOK OVER PUBLIC SAFETY ABOUT THREE OR FOUR YEARS AGO. 
          AND THIS IS DIRECTLY TIED TO THE PAYMENTS THAT WE MAKE TO THE NORTH TEXAS MUNICIPAL WATER DISTRICT. 
          PUBLIC SAFETY IS YOUR SECOND LARGEST. 
          IT TOTALS $206 MILLION OR 26% OF THE PIE. 
          AND OF COURSE, THAT INCLUDES POLICE, FIRE, E 9 1 1 AND THE HEALTH DEPARTMENT. 
          THE THIRD LARGEST IS DEBT SERVICE. 
          OF COURSE, WE DO ISSUE BONDS, SO WE ARE REQUIRED TO MAKE THE PRINCIPAL AND INTEREST PAYMENTS ON THE BONDS FOR OUR CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PROGRAM. 
          AND THEN THE FOURTH LARGEST IS FOR PARKS AND REC AT $58 MILLION. 
          ON THE GENERAL FUND SIDE, THIS IS YOUR EXPENDITURES FOR THE COMING UP YEAR TOTAL IS $409 MILLION. 
          THE LARGEST EXPENDITURE IS FOR PUBLIC SAFETY AND THE HEALTH DEPARTMENTS, IT, UH, IS CONSIDERED 50. 
          OVER 50% OF THE EXPENDITURES IN THE GENERAL FUND TOTALING $206.8 MILLION. 
          THE SECOND LARGEST IS NON-DEPARTMENTAL AND TRANSFERS NON-DEPARTMENTAL, WHERE WE HOUSE THE EXPENDITURES THAT AFFECT THE ENTIRE CITY. 
          ON THE EXPENDITURE SIDE, WE ALSO HOUSE THE TRANSFERS WITHIN NON-DEPARTMENTAL. 
          THE TRANSFERS ARE, WE GIVE TO THE CAPITAL MAINTENANCE FUND $25 MILLION. 
          WE ALSO GIVE $8.5 MILLION TO THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT FUND. 
          UH, THE RISK MANAGEMENT FUND IS PAID OUT OF THERE. 
          UH, TECHNOLOGY FUNDS ARE PAID OUT THERE, SO THE MAJORITY OF THAT IS GOING TO BE THE TRANSFERS THAT GO TO OTHER FUNDS. 
          OUR THIRD LARGEST IN HERE IS GENERAL ADMINISTRATION, WHICH ACCOUNTS FOR THE HR DEPARTMENT, BUDGET DEPARTMENT, FINANCE DEPARTMENT. 
          ANYTHING THAT OVERSEES THE CITY IS INCLUDED IN THAT PIECE. 
          LET'S TALK ABOUT THE PROPERTY TAXES AND ASSESS PROPERTY VALUES. 
          WE DID RECEIVE THE TAX ROLLS LAST FRIDAY ON JULY 25TH. 
          IT STIPULATES BY LAW THAT THE CENTRAL APPRAISAL DISTRICTS MUST TURN THEM OVER ON THAT DATE. 
          WE HAVE INCLUDED IN THIS BUDGET 41.76 CENTS FOR OUR TAX RATE. 
          WE'VE HAD THE SAME TAX RATE FOR THE LAST FOUR YEARS. 
          NOW ON THE O AND M SIDE, WE HAVE 30.26 CENTS GOING, AND THEN OUR DEBT SERVICE IS 11.50 CENTS. 
          SO YOU TOTAL THOSE UP AND IT'S 41.76 CENTS. 
          SINCE WE RECEIVED THE TAX ROLL THE OTHER DAY, WE ARE CURRENTLY WORKING ON THE TRUTH AND TAXATION, UH, TAX RATES. 
          THAT'S YOUR NO NEW REVENUE RATE AND YOUR VOTER APPROVAL RATE. 
          WE WILL HAVE MORE INFORMATION IN INCLUDING A DETAIL REGARDING THE RATES AND ALL THE ASSESSED PROPERTIES VALUES AT THE AUGUST 11TH, MONDAY, AUGUST 11TH, UH, CITY COUNCIL MEETING. 
          THE ADOPTION 
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OF THE TAX RATE IS SCHEDULED FOR SEPTEMBER 8TH. 
          I'M GONNA GO OVER TWO VALUES HERE. 
          THE AVERAGE MARKET VALUE IS GOING TO 591,947 UP FROM 579. 
          THIS IS THE 2.1% INCREASE THAT MARK MENTIONED A MINUTE AGO. 
          IT'S IMPORTANT TO REMEMBER THE MARKET VALUE CAN INCREASE AT ANY PERCENTAGE, WHEREBY YOUR AVERAGE TAXABLE VALUE IS THE VALUE THAT THE CITIZENS WILL BE PAYING ON IF THEY HAVE EXEMPTIONS ALREADY INCLUDED ANYWAY. 
          BY STATE LAW, THAT CAN GO UP 10% PER YEAR. 
          AND THEN IT'S CAPPED. 
          THIS YEAR. 
          OUR AVERAGE TAXABLE, UH, PROPERTY VALUE WENT FROM 417,000 TO 4 52. 
          IT'S AN 8.1% INCREASE. 
          SO IF YOU LOOK AT HERE, YOU GOT 41 7 6 CENTS IS THE PROPERTY TAX RATE. 
          ALL THE EXEMPTIONS HAVE ALREADY BEEN TAKE, TAKEN OUT THE 20% EXEMPTION THAT HE HAD MENTIONED ON OUR HOMESTEAD VALUE. 
          SO LAST YEAR, THE AVERAGE BILL WAS $1,744. 
          THIS YEAR, IT'D BE $1,888 OR $144 FOR THE WHOLE YEAR, WHICH EQUATES OUT TO ABOUT $12 A MONTH. 
          NOW, THIS IS THE AVERAGE TAX HOMEOWNER. 
          THE ASSESSED PROPERTY VALUES CAME IN AT 64.6 BILLION OF THAT, THE EXISTING PROPERTY VALUES WENT UP 1.7 BILLION, AND YOU HAD NEW PROPERTY COMING ONLINE OF 650. 
          THE WHOLE ROLL WENT UP 3.79%. 
          YOU CAN SEE WHAT HAD HAPPENED AFTER COID AND ALL THE, UH, HOME VALUES. 
          EVERYTHING STARTED REALLY RISING. 
          NOW THEY ARE STARTING TO STABILIZE OUT. 
          HERE'S A LOOK AT ALL THE EXEMPTIONS. 
          OF COURSE, WE GOT THE AVERAGE MARKET VALUE, YOUR TOTAL EXEMPTIONS. 
          THIS INCLUDES THE RESIDENTIAL SIDE PLUS COMMERCIAL SIDE. 
          SO THIS IS WHERE YOU WILL FIND YOUR 20% HOMESTEAD EXEMPTION. 
          WE OFFER A 40,000 UH, DOLLARS EXEMPTION FOR 65 AND OVER. 
          UH, WE ALSO HAVE LIKE, UH, WHAT IS IT, SOLAR PANELS. 
          WE HAVE ALL KINDS OF EXEMPTIONS. 
          THE CITY OF PLANO OFFERS PRACTICALLY EVERY EXEMPTION THERE IS. 
          IT TAKES OFF THE ROLL, $15.72 BILLION. 
          THAT EQUATES TO REVENUE SAVINGS OF $65.7 MILLION. 
          YOUR 65 AND OVER TAX FREEZE THIS YEAR TOTALS 13.7 MILLION OR 2.7 MILLION OVER WHAT, UH, WE GAVE BACK LAST YEAR. 
          THIS ALL IS REVENUE SAVINGS TO TAXPAYERS ON AN AVERAGE, UH, MARKET VALUE $591,000. 
          THIS IS THE ENTITIES THAT ARE CITIZENS ARE PAYING INTO, OR THE TAXPAYERS ARE PAYING INTO. 
          WE HAVE IN HERE WHAT THE PROJECTED RATE IS FOR THE CITY OF PLANO. 
          EVERYBODY ELSE, WE'RE STILL USING THEIR 24 25 ADOPTED RATE BECAUSE THEY'RE GOING THROUGH THE SAME PROCESS THAT WE'RE GOING THROUGH RIGHT NOW, AND THEIR FINAL RATES WILL NOT BE PASSED UNTIL SEPTEMBER. 
          I WILL TELL YOU THIS THOUGH, PISD UH, THIS LEGISLATURE, THEY WILL HAVE UP FOR A VOTE. 
          I WANT TO SAY IT'S LIKE NOVEMBER 5TH, RAISING THEIR HOMESTEAD EXEMPTION FROM A HUNDRED THOUSAND TO 140,000. 
          IT MOST LIKELY WILL PASS. 
          SO WE'VE ALREADY INCLUDED THIS IN HERE. 
          SO THE TOTAL TAXES FOR THE YEAR WOULD BE 1.73 CENTS. 
          THAT WOULD EQUATE TO $8,000 FOR THE AVERAGE HOMEOWNER SALES TAX. 
          WE'VE BEEN UNDER A SALES TAX CAP POLICY. 
          I KNOW Y'ALL HAVE HEARD ABOUT BEFORE. 
          WE DO A THREE YEAR AVERAGE. 
          NOW, THIS STARTED BACK IN 2008 DURING THE GREAT ECONOMIC RECESSION. 
          IT'S BEEN ONE OF THE BEST POLICIES THAT WE HAVE HAD HERE AT THE CITY IN 2023 WHEN WE CAME OUT OF COVID AND INFLATION ROSE SO MUCH. 
          THE CITY COUNCIL LET US GO AHEAD AND ADD IN AN INFLATIONARY FACTOR TO WHATEVER SALES TAX WAS COMING IN, AND WE'RE DOING THAT THIS YEAR TOO. 
          OH, JUST REAL 
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QUICK, OUR SALES TAX CAP POLICY HAS FUNDED MANY THINGS HERE AT THE CITY. 
          WE PROVIDED $25 MILLION TO THE CAPITAL MAINTENANCE FUND. 
          UH, WE STARTED THE RAINY DAY FUND WITH IT. 
          UH, WE ADDED 6.8 MILLION ON ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT INCENTIVE FUND, AS WELL AS, UH, PURCHASING SOME ONE-TIME EXPENDITURES THROUGHOUT THE YEARS, INCLUDING THE LAND THAT'S LOCATED AT MCDERMOT AND ROBINSON FOR THE FIRE TRAINING CENTER AND THE POLICE SUBSTATION 'CAUSE IT, IT'S BEEN A VERY GOOD POLICY FOR US. 
          SO THIS YEAR WE ENDED AT $118 MILLION FOR 2324. 
          FOR 24 25, IT LOOKS LIKE WE'RE GONNA END AROUND $124 MILLION. 
          WHEN WE DID THE THREE YEAR AVERAGE. 
          WE ALSO NET OUT ANY AUDIT ADJUSTMENTS. 
          WHEN WE DID THE THREE YEAR AVERAGE, WE ADDED 3% ON TOP OF THAT, AND THAT CAME UP WITH OUR NUMBER OF 122.6 FOR NEXT YEAR. 
          THIS KIND OF SHIELDS US IF WE HAVE SOME KIND OF GREAT ECONOMIC, UH, THING GO ON. 
          BUILDING AND DEVELOPMENT RELATED REVENUES. 
          WE ACTUALLY HAD PROJECTED FOR THIS YEAR A 15% DECLINE FROM LAST YEAR. 
          HOWEVER, BUILDING GROWTH HAS CONTINUED TO PICK UP THIS YEAR. 
          IN TALKING TO CELSO MATA, THE BUILDING OFFICIAL HE THINKS IS GOING TO STAY AROUND THAT SAME, UH, NUMBER FOR NEXT YEAR. 
          SO WE HAVE INCLUDED $8 MILLION IN HERE FOR ALL BUILDING AND DEVELOPMENT RELATED FEES. 
          JUST SOME BUDGET HIGHLIGHTS. 
          ON THE EXPENDITURE SIDE, WE HAVE NO NEW PROGRAMS OR SERVICES INCLUDED IN THIS BUDGET. 
          THE GENERAL FUND IS CURRENTLY AT 58 DAYS OF WORKING CAPITAL IN OUR PHYSICAL ROADMAP. 
          WHEN WE REDID THE FUND BALANCE POLICY, WE NOW HAVE A GOAL OF 60 DAYS OF WORKING CAPITAL. 
          WE ARE ABOUT $3 MILLION SHY FROM THAT, BUT I, I THINK A GREAT EFFORT HAS BEEN PUT INTO THIS AND IT'S REALLY GOOD. 
          UH, WE DID INCLUDE IN A 3% ACROSS THE BOARD'S SALARY INCREASE. 
          THIS IS ON TOP OF THE STEP INCREASES. 
          THIS IS A 3% FOR ALL EMPLOYEES, INCLUDING NON-CIVIL SERVICE AND CIVIL SERVICE. 
          WE HAVE $5.2 MILLION INCLUDED IN HERE TO IMPLEMENT A WAGE DETERMINATION TOOL. 
          I KNOW A COUPLE OF WEEKS AGO, VICTORIA WYNN, OUR HR DIRECTOR, WAS UP HERE TALKING ABOUT THAT. 
          WE ARE PLANNING ON PROVIDING MORE DETAILS TO Y'ALL REGARDING THIS DOLLAR AMOUNT AND WHERE IT CAME FROM. 
          AT THE AUGUST 14TH BUDGET WORK SESSION, PUBLIC SAFETY PROGRAMS. UH, WE HAVE AN ADDITIONAL 750,000 GOING TO THAT WE'RE, UH, TWO ADDITIONAL CRIME INFORMATION SPECIALISTS AND ENVIRONMENTAL HEALTH SPECIALISTS AND ONE OVERFILL FOR E 9 1 1 NORTH TEXAS MUNICIPAL WATER DISTRICT. 
          THEIR COSTS ARE, OUR CONTRACTED COSTS ARE GOING UP $12.8 MILLION IN A MINUTE. 
          I'M GONNA GO OVER, WE DO HAVE A RATE INCREASE PLANNED. 
          IT'S A PASS THROUGH RATE INCREASE TO COVER THIS $12 MILLION. 
          IT WILL BE 8% ON THE WATER SIDE AND 8% ON THE SEWER SIDE. 
          THE CAPITAL MAINTENANCE FUND TRANSFER, WE KEPT IT $25 MILLION. 
          THE FISCAL ROADMAP, WHEN WE WENT AND REDID THE FUND BALANCE POLICY, IT STATED ANYTHING OVER OUR GOAL COULD BE TRANSFERRED BACK INTO THE GENERAL FUND BECAUSE THAT'S BASICALLY WHERE THE MONEY CAME FROM. 
          SO THIS YEAR WE DO HAVE A PLAN TRANSFER OF $15 MILLION. 
          WE HAD 45 MILLION IN THERE. 
          OUR POLICY STATES WE GOTTA KEEP 20. 
          WE TRANSFERRED 15 MILLION BACK TO THE GENERAL FUND IN ORDER TO COME UP TO THAT 60 DAYS OF WORKING CAPITAL. 
          AND WE'RE GONNA HAVE MORE INFORMATION COMING TO Y'ALL ABOUT THAT. 
          WE DO HAVE LIBRARY BOOKS TO REMAIN AT $1.4 MILLION. 
          THIS INCLUDES BOOKS, DIGITAL MATERIALS, AND THE E-CONTENT. 
          WE DO HAVE CIP PROJECTS COMING ONLINE, TOTALING $93,000. 
          THIS IS THE O AND M SIDE OF THE PIECE, MEANING THE EQUIPMENT, MATERIALS AND SUPPLIES ADDED MAINTENANCE COSTS FOR NEW PROJECTS COMING ON. 
          AND THEN WE HAD SEVERAL MANDATED STATE MANDATED EXPENDITURES. 
          ALSO, INFLATIONARY, UH, FACTORS GOING IN HERE, AND THAT TOTALS $1.7 MILLION. 
          SO ALL THESE 
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ARE FUNDED WITHIN THE BUDGET I JUST MENTIONED. 
          WE HAVE A CONTRACT PAYMENT OF 12.8 MILLION MORE THAN LAST YEAR. 
          WE'VE GOT, UH, WHOLESALE WATERS GOING FROM 3.85 PER TH THOUSAND GALLONS TO 4.19 PER THOUSAND GALLONS. 
          SO OUR TAKE OR PAY HAS BEEN REVISED DOWN. 
          IT WAS 24.9, IT'S DOWN TO 24.7. 
          UH, BEFORE THEY DID THE CONTRACT RENEGOTIATION A COUPLE OF YEARS AGO, WE WERE PAYING ON 26.7 BILLION GALLONS OF WATER. 
          UH, TOMORROW ENDS THE, UH, WATER AND HOW MUCH WE'VE USED WITHIN THE RATE MODEL, THOUGH WE DO HAVE 22 TO 23 GALLONS THAT NORMALLY WE'RE COUNTING ON. 
          WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO FIND OUT WHAT WE END THE YEAR WITH. 
          AND THEN, OF COURSE, I MENTIONED BEFORE, WE DO HAVE AN 8% WATER INCREASE. 
          UPPER ESPORT INTERCEPTOR THAT IS GOING UP AND WASTEWATER IS GOING UP $7.6 MILLION. 
          WE'VE GOT 8% ON THIS. 
          SO THOSE ARE ALL TO BE IMPLEMENTED OCTOBER 1ST. 
          THE CITY OF PLAINTIFF'S BEEN ON THE PAY AS YOU GO SYSTEM FOR WATER AND SEWER SINCE 1993 WITH THE EXCLUSION OF SOME MAJOR INFRASTRUCTURE THAT WE HAVE TO GO AND ISSUE REVENUE BONDS. 
          WE DID ISSUE $45 MILLION IN REVENUE BONDS THIS PAST MAY. 
          SO WE HAVE THOSE INCLUDED IN THE BUDGET. 
          THE CITY COUNCIL LAST YEAR GAVE US AUTHORITY TO ISSUE 80 MILLION, BUT WE DIDN'T NEED THE OTHER 35. 
          WE WILL ISSUE THAT IN 2027. 
          WE ARE FUNDING WITH ACTUAL CASH, $22 MILLION. 
          WE ALSO HAVE A $5 MILLION TRANSFER TO A WATER AND SEWER RATE STABILIZATION FUND. 
          THE, WHEN WE DID THE RATE MODEL LAST YEAR, THE CITY COUNCIL AT THAT TIME REALLY WANTED US TO GO IN AND START IMPLEMENTING AND TRANSFER MONEY INTO THAT FUND. 
          SO WE DO HAVE PLANNED $5 MILLION ENVIRONMENTAL WASTE. 
          WE HAD A RATE MODEL THAT WAS DONE WITH US, UH, BY NEWGEN STRATEGIES AND SOLUTIONS. 
          THEY'RE THE SAME ONES THAT DO OUR WATER AND SEWER RATE MODEL WITHIN IT. 
          WE ARE GOING UP A DOLLAR AGAIN THIS YEAR. 
          SO THE 95 GALLON CONTAINER RATE'S GONNA INCREASE $24 AND 60 CENTS TO $25 AND 60 CENTS PER MONTH. 
          ON THE 68 GALLON CONTAINER. 
          IT'S GONNA GO FROM 17.61 TO 18.32 OR 71 CENTS PER MONTH. 
          UH, THE BACK BEFORE WE DID THE RATE MODEL, THE WA UH, THE SOLID WASTE FUND WAS RUNNING A DEFICIT FOR SEVERAL YEARS IN A ROW. 
          WE WERE MASSIVELY HIT WITH INFLATION EQUIPMENT COSTS REALLY WENT THROUGH THE ROOF AND WE WERE DEALING WITH STAFFING SHORTAGES. 
          SO A WATER AND SEWER LOAN WAS MADE. 
          IT WAS TOTALED $7 MILLION, I THINK. 
          ANYWAY, WE ARE PAYING THAT BACK OVER THE NEXT SEVEN YEARS AT A RATE OF $357,000 MUNICIPAL DRAINAGE FUND IN JUST A MINUTE. 
          CALEB'S GONNA COME UP AND HE'S GOING TO SPEAK REGARDING THE STREAM BANK EROSION PROCESS THAT WE'RE GOING THROUGH ANYWAY, INCLUDED WITHIN THE MUNICIPAL DRAINAGE FUND, WE HAVE IN YOUR BOOK HERE, WE HAVE INCLUDED A RATE INCREASE IN ORDER TO START PAYING FOR CRITICAL PROJECTS THAT CALEB'S GONNA TALK ABOUT HERE IN A MINUTE. 
          ANYWAY, WE HAVE $10 MILLION OF THOSE, AND WE'RE LOOKING AT FUNDING THOSE OVER THE NEXT THREE YEARS. 
          SO THE AVERAGE RESIDENT WILL PAY A DOLLAR 50 MORE ON THE COMMERCIAL SIDE. 
          IT WILL GO FROM 0.12 CENTS PER 100 SQUARE FEET OF IMPERVIOUS AREA TO 0.28 CENTS PER MONTH. 
          ANYWAY, UH, SO YOU'RE GONNA HEAR MORE ABOUT THAT FROM CALEB IN A MINUTE. 
          WE'RE GOING TO GO THROUGH THE ACTUAL RATE MODEL WITH Y'ALL AT THE AUGUST 14TH AGENDA. 
          ALSO, YOU WILL HEAR ABOUT WATER AND SEWER IN MORE DETAIL AND THE SOLID WASTE RATE INCREASE. 
          OKAY, YOUR CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PROGRAM, 319 MILLION. 
          THE MAJORITY OF THIS IS YOUR STREET IMPROVEMENTS. 
          91.5 
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WATER AND SEWER IS 57.8 MILLION. 
          PARKS AND REC IS 52. 
          AND THEN CAPITAL MAINTENANCE, 48 MILLION MUNICIPAL FACILITIES AND SO ON. 
          WE'RE GOING TO ISSUE OR WE ARE PROJECTING TO ISSUE $98 MILLION IN GEO DEBT NEXT YEAR TO START PAYING FOR PROJECTS THAT WERE INCLUDED IN THE BOND REFERENDUM. 
          SOME OF THE HIGHLIGHTS HERE ARE YOUR PUBLIC SAFETY FACILITIES. 
          WE'RE GOING TO START ON THE POLICE STATION HEADQUARTERS AND THE FIRE STATION 14 DESIGN, FIRE STATION NUMBER EIGHT, REMODELING, AND THEN HIGH POINT FUELING STATION AND CONSTRUCTION. 
          AND THEN OF COURSE, THE STREET PROJECTS THAT WERE INCLUDED WITHIN THE BOND REFERENDUM. 
          THE CAPITAL MAINTENANCE FUND, AS I MENTIONED EARLIER, WE DID CHANGE THE FINANCIAL POLICY ON THAT. 
          IT USED TO BE WE HAD A GOAL OF 75% ANNUAL DEPRECIATION. 
          WE WOULD CASH FUND BACK INTO THE FUND. 
          WE HAVE SINCE CHANGED THAT POLICY WHERE WE ARE HOLDING AT LEAST $20 MILLION IN THE FUND BALANCE. 
          AND WE HAVE GIVEN THE DIFFERENT DEPARTMENTS DEPARTMENTAL TARGETS OR FUNDING TARGETS STARTING THIS YEAR. 
          ONE OF THE REASONS WE DID THAT IS SEVERAL OF THEM DIDN'T HAVE THE CAPACITY, MEANING THE STAFFING TO GO OUT AND FULFILL ALL THE PROJECTS. 
          SO WE WEREN'T ABLE TO GET EVERYTHING DONE. 
          SO WE HAVE PUT THEM ON A THREE YEAR AVERAGE AS FAR AS FUNDING. 
          NOW, WHAT HAPPENS ON THAT THOUGH, JUST TO LET Y'ALL KNOW, WE USED TO HAVE THAT 75% ANNUAL DEPRECIATION GOING IN THERE. 
          THE LAST TWO YEARS, WE'VE BEEN FUNDING AROUND 50%. 
          THIS CURRENT COMING UP YEAR WE'RE FUNDING AT 28%, AND THEN IT JUMPS BACK UP TO 47%. 
          THAT 90%, THAT WAS DUE TO WHEN WE RECEIVED ARPA FUNDING OUT OF CID THAT WENT TO SEVERAL DIFFERENT PROJECTS. 
          SO, OKAY, MARK HAD MENTIONED THE PHYSICAL ROADMAP WE'RE ON YEAR TWO. 
          ONE OF THE PRIMARY, UH, FUNDING POLICIES THAT WE REDID WAS OUR FUND BALANCE POLICY. 
          IT WAS IMPLEMENTED IN FEBRUARY, ALONG WITH OUR CAPITAL MAINTENANCE NEW FUND AND NEW FUNDING POLICY IN THE COST RECOVERY POLICY. 
          WE'RE DOING QUITE WELL HERE BEFORE WE HAD A POLICY TARGET ON THE FUND BALANCE FOR THE GENERAL FUND AT 30 DAYS BEST PRACTICES, GOVERNMENT FINANCIAL OFFICERS ASSOCIATION, THEY ALL THINK YOU NEED AT LEAST 60 TO 90 DAYS, AND MOST CITIES AROUND US ARE AT 90 DAYS. 
          WE DECIDED ON A 60 DAY FUND BALANCE, AND WE RIGHT NOW ARE AT 58 DAYS. 
          THE RAINY DAY FUND CHOSE THE POLICY TARGET OF 20 MILLION. 
          WE'RE CURRENTLY AT 4.5 MILLION. 
          CAPITAL MAINTENANCE. 
          WE'VE GOT A FUND BALANCE OF 30 MILLION, SO WE'RE OVER THE REQUIRED 20 MILLION. 
          THE GO DEBT SERVICE, IT USED TO BE TWO AND A HALF PERCENT. 
          WE KEPT IN HERE. 
          MOST OF THE CITIES AROUND US ARE DOING FIVE TO 10%. 
          SO WE WENT WITH THAT TARGET. 
          RIGHT NOW, WE'RE AT 5.2% IN THAT FUND BALANCE. 
          YOUR ENTERPRISE FUNDS ARE DOING QUITE WELL HERE, WATER AND SEWER, 90 TO 120 DAYS. 
          WE'RE CURRENTLY AT 109 DAYS. 
          ONE OF THE REASONS WHY WE KEEP THE WATER AND SEWER FUND IS BECAUSE THE WEATHER DIRECTLY AFFECTS HOW MUCH WATER THAT PEOPLE ARE USING. 
          I MENTIONED BEFORE WE ADDED AN ADDITIONAL $5 MILLION INTO THE WATER AND SEWER RATE STABILIZATION FUND. 
          THAT'S GONNA BRING THAT TOTAL TO 10.8, UH, SOLID WASTE SUSTAINABILITY ENVIRONMENTAL SERVICES. 
          IT'S NOW AT 55 DAYS MUNICIPAL DRAINAGE 3 39. 
          THE REASON WHY THAT'S OVER 90 DAYS IS WHEN YOU GO OUT AND YOU ISSUE REVENUE BONDS, YOU HAVE TO MAKE SURE THAT YOU HAVE THE REVENUE COVERAGE. 
          SO YOU HAVE TO KEEP THAT FUNDING OR THE FUND BALANCE HIGH. 
          THE CONVENTION OF TOURISM FUND IS NOW AT 177 DAYS. 
          AND THEN TWO MORE FUNDS THAT WE MEASURE. 
          THE HEALTH CLAIMS FUND IS NOW AT 11 MILLION. 
          WE HAVE A FUNDING TARGET OF 19 AND THE RISK MANAGEMENT FUND, WE ARE CONTINUING TO WORK ON THAT FUND. 
          IT ACTUALLY ENDED 2324 IN A DEFICIT POSITION. 
          NOW WE HAVE BROUGHT THAT UP AND IT'S AT $1.3 MILLION. 
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OKAY, JUST ON THE BUDGET CALENDAR, OF COURSE, TONIGHT, THE CITY MANAGER PRESENTED THE RECOMMENDED BUDGET AND THE PROPOSED CIP AUGUST 11TH, A VERY BIG NIGHT. 
          WE'RE GOING TO HAVE THE PUBLIC HEARING ON BOTH THE BUDGET, THE OPERATING BUDGET, AND THE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PROGRAM. 
          ALSO, WE, YOU WILL BE REQUIRED TO DETERMINE THE TAX RATE THAT NEEDS TO GO INTO THE NEWSPAPER THE NEXT DAY. 
          NOW, THIS IS JUST A PROJECTION, SO Y'ALL ARE GONNA TELL ME WHATEVER NUMBER THAT YOU WANT. 
          RIGHT NOW. 
          WE GOT 41.76 THAT NIGHT. 
          I WILL BE BRINGING BACK ALL KINDS OF INFORMATION ON WHAT THE NO NEW REVENUE RATE IS, THE VOTER APPROVAL RATE. 
          ALL THAT INFORMATION WILL BE BROUGHT FORWARD. 
          AND THEN YOU WILL MAKE A DETERMINATION ON THE TAX RATE THAT'S GIVEN THAT NIGHT AND GOES INTO THE PAPER. 
          YOU CAN GO DOWN FROM THAT RATE. 
          YOU JUST CAN'T GO ABOVE THAT RATE. 
          OKAY. 
          ALSO, YOU ARE SCHEDULED TO APPROVE THE CERTIFIED TAX ROLE, AND THEY CAME IN FROM DENTON AND COLIN THE OTHER DAY, AUGUST 14TH. 
          WE HAVE PLANNED A COUNCIL WORK SESSION. 
          IT'S OUR BUDGET WORK SESSION. 
          ALSO. 
          THAT EVENING, YOU WILL BE HEARING FROM THE GRANTS, UH, THE SOCIAL SERVICES, UH, HERITAGE PRESERVATION AND THE ARTS COMMUNITY REGARDING THEIR GRANT REQUESTS FOR THIS NEXT YEAR, AUGUST 21ST, WE HAVE A TOWN HALL MEETING ON THE BUDGET AND CIP UH, SENATE BILL TWO CHANGED HOW MANY PUBLIC HEARINGS THAT WE ARE REQUIRED TO HAVE ON THE TAX RATE. 
          BUT SINCE THEN, THEY, THEY STATE THAT YOU ONLY NEED ONE. 
          WE'VE BEEN HOLDING TWO THE LAST COUPLE YEARS, AND I WOULD ASSUME THAT EVERYBODY WANTS TO DO THAT. 
          SO WE'LL DO THAT AUGUST 25TH AND THEN SEPTEMBER 8TH, YOU'RE SCHEDULED TO ADOPT THE BUDGET, THE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PROGRAM, AND YOU WILL SET THE TAX RATE, PLUS YOU WILL HAVE THE NORMAL PUBLIC HEARING ON THE TAX RATE. 
          AND THEN OCTOBER 1ST, WE BEGIN AGAIN, ALL THIS INFORMATION IS INCLUDED. 
          THE RECOMMENDED BUDGET, THE PROPOSED CIPS GOING TO BE AVAILABLE IN THE LIBRARIES. 
          IT IS SCHEDULED TO GO ONLINE TOMORROW ON OUR WEBPAGE. 
          AND ALSO WE HAVE AN UP OPEN BUDGET WEB PORTAL. 
          YOU WILL SEE THE WEBSITE HERE, DASHBOARD.PLANO.GOV, AND YOU CAN LOOK AT ALL THE DETAIL WITHIN THAT DASHBOARD TOO. 
          AND WITH THAT, I WILL TAKE ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU HAVE. 
          AND MARK'S GOT COMMENTS. 
          SO, MAYOR AND COUNCIL, THERE'S A LOT TO DIGEST IN THIS, AND I, I KNOW YOU'VE BEEN LOOKING OVER THIS. 
          I'VE ACTUALLY GOTTEN A COUPLE QUESTIONS, UH, AND, AND SOME, UH, SOME INPUT ALREADY FROM COUNCIL MEMBERS. 
          UH, WHAT I WANTED YOU TO, TO HAVE IS SOME TIME TO, TO REALLY DIGEST THIS, LOOK THROUGH IT, SEND US YOUR QUESTIONS. 
          WE'RE HAPPY TO, UH, ANSWER ALL THOSE AND, AND MAKE SURE THAT WHETHER IT TAKES FURTHER EXPLANATION, UM, IT'S A BIG BUDGET. 
          UH, AND FOR SOME IT'S THE FIRST TIME THROUGH. 
          SO WE WANNA MAKE SURE THAT YOU FEEL COMFORTABLE WITH THE INFORMATION THAT YOU HAVE. 
          SO IF YOU HAVE QUESTIONS, UH, PLEASE SUBMIT 'EM TO US. 
          WE'LL BE HAPPY TO, TO GET ALL OF THAT IN AS MUCH DETAIL AS YOU WANT TO MAKE SURE YOU HAVE EVERY ANSWER THAT YOU NEED. 
          UM, I WOULD ALSO SUGGEST THAT THERE, WHILE WE PRESENTED THE BUDGET, AND WE TALKED ABOUT THE TAX RATE, THERE ARE SOME THINGS THAT ARE NOT IN THIS, UH, IN THIS BUDGET. 
          AND I JUST NEED TO MAKE YOU AWARE THAT, YOU KNOW, Y'ALL ARE AWARE OF SOME LARGE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT PROJECTS THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT, NOT INCLUDED. 
          UH, THERE ARE SOME OTHER, UH, ELEMENTS THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT FROM THE LEGISLATURE THAT MAY BE REDUCING FUTURE, UH, ABILITY TO, TO INCREASE BUDGETS AND THINGS THAT WE HAVE, LIKE THE MEET AND CONFER IS NOT INCLUDED IN THIS. 
          SO THERE'S GOING TO BE SOME, SOME DECISIONS FOR COUNCIL TO LOOK AT, UM, AS WE MOVE FORWARD. 
          BUT I DID NOT WANNA SURPRISE Y'ALL WITH THAT, UH, OF WHAT'S NOT INCLUDED IN THIS. 
          SO WE WILL CONTINUE TO, TO WORK ON THIS. 
          WE WILL ANSWER THOSE, UH, QUESTIONS, BUT IF YOU SEND THEM, UH, THROUGH ME OR ANY OF MY TEAM, WE'LL BE HAPPY TO, TO COMPILE THOSE AND MAKE SURE THAT THOSE ANSWERS GET OUT THAT, SO THAT YOU CAN, UH, CONTINUE TO, UH, UH, ANALYZE AND, AND REVIEW THE BUDGET. 
          OKAY, BOB, I HAVE A FEW QUESTIONS AND I'M HAPPY TO TABLE IT IF IT'S NOT A GOOD TIME FOR THIS, BUT IT ALL RELATES TO THE TAX RATE CHANGES AND THINGS, THAT SORT OF THING. 
          SO KAREN, RIGHT NOW OUR TAX RATE IS 41.76 MM-HMM . 
          ARE THERE LIMITATIONS ON HOW MUCH IT CAN CHANGE AT ANY GIVEN YEAR? WELL, THE, WHEN WE GET TO THE, UH, UH, AUGUST 11TH, UH, WE WILL HAVE WHAT YOUR NO NEW REVENUE RATE IS AND WHAT YOUR VOTER APPROVAL RATE IS. 
          NOW, AS FAR AS I KNOW, IN THE STATE OF TEXAS, YOU CAN'T 
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HAVE OVER $2 AND 50 CENTS, BUT YOU HAVE LIMITATIONS REGARDING YOUR NO NEW REVENUE RATE AND YOUR VOTER APPROVAL RATE. 
          SO IF Y'ALL DECIDE FOR SOME REASON TO GO OVER THE VOTER APPROVAL RATE, THAT MEANS WE HAVE TO GO OUT FOR AN ELECTION IN NOVEMBER FOR THE CITIZENS TO APPROVE THAT. 
          OKAY. 
          AND CAN I JUST ADD, COUNCILMAN THAT THAT'S, YEAH. 
          WITH THAT, UH, THE VOTER APPROVAL RATE IS TYPICALLY, UH, THREE POINT HALF PERCENT, BUT THERE'S ALSO UNUSED INCREMENT FROM PREVIOUS YEARS. 
          IT'S KIND OF A COMPLICATED FORMULA. 
          THE THE STATE HAS A GIANT FORM THAT YOU HAVE TO FILL OUT TO BE ABLE TO DO THAT. 
          BUT AS FAR AS THE LIMITATION GOES, UH, I WOULD SAY EXACTLY WHAT KAREN SAID UNDER THE VOTER APPROVAL RATE, UH, IS JUST A DECISION BY COUNCIL ABOVE THAT REALLY BECOMES A DECISION THAT HAS TO GO TO THE CITIZENS FOR A VOTE. 
          YOU ALSO MENTIONED THAT THERE'S A 10 PER 10%, 10% MAX CHANGE THAT'S RELATED TO THE SAME THING, EVEN IF NO, THE 10%, WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT THERE IS THE ACTUAL TAXABLE PROPERTY VALUE THAT THE C TAXPAYERS PAY IS ALLOWED. 
          AND THIS IS STATE LEGISLATURES, STATE LAW CAN GO UP 10% PER YEAR. 
          OKAY. 
          YOUR MARKET VALUE, ESPECIALLY LIKE AFTER COVID WHEN, UH, APPRAISAL ROLLS REALLY, YOU KNOW, TOOK OFF, LIKE SOME OF THEM ARE UP 20%. 
          THE TAXABLE PART, MEANING THE TAXABLE PART ON YOUR HOME CAN GO ONLY GO UP 10%. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THAT'S CLEAR. 
          UH, THEN THE SALES TAX CAP, THAT'S JUST A CALCULATION THREE YEAR AVERAGE, AND YOU'RE GONNA ADD IN SOME INFLATION. 
          YEAH, AND THAT'S THE CITY OF PLANOS FINANCIAL POLICIES. 
          SO WE'VE DONE THAT EVER SINCE THE GREAT ECONOMIC RECESSION JUST TO SHIELD US FROM THAT OCCURRING AGAIN. 
          AND BACK IN 23 WHEN WE WERE GETTING OUT OF COVID AND INFLATION WAS SO HIGH, THE CITY COUNCIL AT THAT POINT SAID WE COULD GO UP BY AN INFLATIONARY FACTOR, AND WE'RE GOING TO DO THAT AGAIN THIS YEAR. 
          AND OUR INFLATIONARY FACTOR IS 3%. 
          OKAY. 
          AND COUNCILMAN COUNCILMAN, PART OF THE REASON FOR THAT CONSERVATIVE BUDGET PRACTICE ON THE SALES TAX IS SALES TAX IS MUCH MORE VOLATILE. 
          OH, YEAH. 
          SO WHEN YOU HAVE A AN ECONOMIC RECESSION, CORPORATIONS PULL BACK AND A SIGNIFICANT PORTION OF OUR SALES TAX IS ACTUALLY BUSINESS TO BUSINESS SALES TAX. 
          AND SO WHEN YOU HAVE THAT RETRACTION, THAT CAN HAPPEN LITERALLY OVERNIGHT. 
          IF THE FED MAKES A DECISION LIKE THEY DID TODAY, THERE COULD BE REACTION. 
          THAT STUFF PULLS BACK VERY QUICKLY. 
          SO WE TRY TO, WE TRY TO APPROACH THAT VERY CAREFULLY, UM, SO THAT WE DON'T END UP IN SERVICE REDUCTIONS, HIRING FREEZES, THINGS LIKE THAT. 
          SO WE, THAT'S ONE OF THE REASONS WHY WE HAVE THAT POLICY IN THERE, IS TO CREATE STABILITY IN, IN WHAT WE'RE ACTUALLY PROJECTING. 
          BUT USUALLY IT IS CONSERVATIVE IN THE WAY THAT WE'RE APPROACHING IT IF THERE'S ECONOMIC GROWTH, AND WE WILL HAVE MUCH MORE INFORMATION REGARDING SALES TAX AT THE AUGUST 14TH AGENDA. 
          BUT HE, MARK IS CORRECT. 
          THE, ON THE WHAT, 35% COMES FROM RETAIL, MEANING I'M GOING TO TARGET AND BUYING PRODUCTS, THE BUSINESS TO BUSINESS OR NON-RETAIL ACCOUNTS FOR 70, WHAT, NEARLY 70% OF OUR SELL STOCKS. 
          OKAY. 
          VERY GOOD. 
          THAT WAS VERY HELPFUL, THANK YOU. 
          OKAY. 
          YEAH. 
          THANK YOU, KAREN. 
          THANK YOU. 
          UM, ITEM FOUR IS STREAM 
          [IV. Streambank Stabilization Program ]
BANK STABILIZATION, PRO, UH, PROGRAM, CALEB. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          GOOD EVENING. 
          CALEB THORNHILL, DIRECTOR OF ENGINEERING. 
          AND, UH, WE'RE GONNA TALK ABOUT THE STREAM BANK STABILIZATION PROGRAM, BUT KAREN JUST TOUCHED A LITTLE BIT ON IT. 
          SO KIND OF WHERE WE'VE GOT OR BEEN AND HOW WE'VE GOTTEN TO TONIGHT. 
          UM, SOME OF THESE SLIDES ARE GONNA BE VERY SIMILAR TO WHAT I PRESENTED ON JUNE 9TH. 
          UH, SOME OF THEM WILL BE NEW. 
          UH, AND AT THE VERY END WE'LL BE LOOKING FOR SOME GUIDANCE AND SOME DIS UH, DISCUSSION ON SOME OF THESE ITEMS. UH, BUT THIS IS A SLIDE THAT WE HAD FROM LAST TIME, EXCEPT FOR, UH, THE, THERE TOWARDS THE BOTTOM, THE DISCUSSION AND RECOMMENDATIONS FOR THIS EVENING. 
          UH, AND THEN WE WILL DISCUSS THE RATES IMPACTS, UH, BASED ON THOSE, THAT FEEDBACK, UH, ON THE WORK SESSION ON THE 14TH. 
          THERE WE GO. 
          SO ONE THING I FAILED TO DO LAST TIME, UH, WITH, ESPECIALLY WITH, UH, SEVERAL NEW MEMBERS IS WHY ARE WE EVEN TALKING ABOUT THIS? AND SO I WANTED TO TOUCH JUST REAL QUICKLY ON THAT, WHY WE'RE TALKING ABOUT STREAM BANK STABILIZATION. 
          UH, THIS IS A STUDY THAT STARTED BACK IN 22, UH, AND WE'VE BEEN WORKING ON IT OVER THE LAST FEW YEARS. 
          AND I CAME TO THIS COUNCIL MEETING LAST TIME, HAVING GIVEN A SIMILAR, UH, PRESENTATION IN APRIL. 
          AND SO IT WAS, FOR ME, IT WAS A, HERE'S THE SAME THING THAT I TALKED ABOUT IN APRIL TO THE NEW COUNCIL, BUT FROM THE Y PERSPECTIVE, UH, IS REALLY THE SAFETY COMPONENT. 
          AND SAFETY HAS SEVERAL MEANINGS IN THIS SITUATION. 
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UH, AND THIS IS AN ACTUAL PICTURE OF, UH, STAFF OUT THERE DOING AN EVALUATION. 
          BUT THE SAFETY IS NOT ONLY FROM OUR CITIZENS, UH, THAT LIVE ALONG THE CREEKS, UH, BUT IT'S ALSO SAFETY FROM OUR INFRASTRUCTURE. 
          UH, WE HAVE UTILITIES THAT RUN ALONG THE CREEKS. 
          AND SO RIGHT NOW WE'RE REALLY RELYING ON, UM, CITIZENS OR OUR PUBLIC WORK STAFF THAT MAY BE OUT IN THE CREEKS TO DETERMINE IF THERE IS AN ISSUE. 
          AND SO IT'S A, A LOT MORE OF A REACTIVE APPROACH. 
          AND SO THIS STUDY WAS PUT IN PLACE TO SEE HOW CAN WE BECOME MORE PROACTIVE, AND WITH THAT PROACTIVE, HOW CAN WE DEFINE WHAT WE NEED TO BE ADDRESSING ON AN ANNUAL BASIS? UH, AND SO BEING MORE PROACTIVELY IDENTIFYING AND THEN PROTECTING NOT ONLY THE CITIZENS, BUT ALSO THE CITY'S INFRASTRUCTURE, AND THEN BEING ABLE TO ESTABLISH A BUDGET WITH THAT. 
          AND THEN THE LAST PART OF THAT IS THE POLICY. 
          UH, WE HAVE DONE THINGS DIFFERENTLY OVER THE YEARS. 
          UH, SOME OF THAT HAS BEEN VERY BY THE BOOK. 
          SOME OF THAT IS, UH, WE'VE DONE DIFFERENT SITUATIONS. 
          SO WHAT WE WANTED TO BE ABLE TO DO IS ESTABLISH A POLICY. 
          SO WHEN CITIZENS CALL US, EVERYBODY IS ON THE SAME PAGE. 
          AND WE'RE BEHAVING THE EXACT SAME WITH, UH, AT HOAA COMMERCIAL PROPERTY, UH, A PRIVATE CITIZEN. 
          SO THIS IS A SLIDE WE HAD FROM LAST TIME, JUST KINDA SHOWS THE AREAS THAT WE STUDIED 127 MILES. 
          WE DID THAT IN ESSENTIALLY TWO SEASONS. 
          WE DO THOSE DURING THE FALL AND THE SPRING WHEN ALL THE LEAVES ARE GONE. 
          UH, BUT WE DID BOTH OF THOSE, UM, OVER THE LAST, UH, COUPLE OF YEARS. 
          UH, THIS IS A SLIDE FROM LAST TIME. 
          JUST KINDA SHOW YOU, WHEN WE'RE DOING AN EVALUATION OF THESE STREAMS, WHAT ARE THE COMPONENTS THAT WE'RE LOOKING FOR? THE BANK, THE STABILITY, UH, THREAT TO THESE STRUCTURES. 
          THESE ARE ALL, UH, COMPONENTS THAT GO INTO THE EVALUATION THAT MAKE UP THE SCORES THAT WE HAVE NOW IN OUR DATABASE. 
          THIS IS NOT A SLIDE WE HAD LAST TIME. 
          THIS ONE IS BLANK , AND IT'S GONE. 
          ALL RIGHT, WE'LL SKIP THAT ONE. 
          UM, PIVOT. 
          ALRIGHT, UM, SO THIS IS THE DATABASE THAT WE'VE DEVELOPED. 
          SO THIS IS THE, ACTUALLY THE GIS MAP. 
          UH, BUT WHAT WE CAN DO IS WE CAN GO ON TO THIS MAP, CLICK ON ONE OF THESE LINES IN THE DIFFERENT COLORS, AND DETERMINE WHAT EXACTLY THAT STRUCTURE IS, UH, OR WHAT THAT LINE REPRESENTS. 
          UH, THE ORANGE LINES ARE GONNA BE AT SITES THAT WE IDENTIFIED THAT HAVE EROSION ISSUES THAT WE NEED TO ADDRESS. 
          UH, I TALKED ABOUT IT LAST TIME. 
          THE ORANGE LINE CAN ENCOMPASS MULTIPLE PROPERTIES. 
          UH, SO THE SLIDE THAT WAS MISSING, WHAT IT SHOWED IS WE HAD 3000 LOCATIONS OR OVER 3000, UH, THAT NEED EROSION THAT WE HAVE TO ADDRESS. 
          UH, 70% OF THAT IS OWNED BY THE CITY, BUT THAT'S 3000 LOCATIONS. 
          THAT'S NOT 3000 PROPERTIES. 
          I WANNA MAKE SURE YOU UNDERSTAND THAT. 
          AND I'VE GOT ANOTHER SLIDE THAT SHOWS THAT A LITTLE CLEARER. 
          UH, BUT WHAT WE DO IS WE CAN CLICK ON THESE PROPERTIES, UH, OR ON THESE LINES. 
          AND THE ORANGE, LIKE I SAID, WILL TELL US WE HAVE EROSION IN THAT AREA. 
          THE RED WILL TELL US THAT WE ALREADY HAVE A STRUCTURE THERE. 
          SO THAT MAY BE A GABON STRUCTURE. 
          AND THE GREEN MAY, UH, OR IS A AERIAL CROSSING, A SANITARY SEWER, AERIAL CROSSING. 
          UH, SO THAT TELLS US WHERE THESE LOCATIONS ARE AT. 
          SO YOU CAN SEE THERE AT THE BOTTOM, WE HAVE IDENTIFIED AN EROSION AREA NEXT TO A SANITARY SEWER CROSSING. 
          THERE WE GO. 
          I JUST GOT MINE OUTTA ORDER AND I GOT A BLANK SLIDE. 
          SO I TALKED ABOUT THIS, THE 3000 LOCATIONS, UH, 70%, AGAIN, OWNED BY THE CITY AS RE OR IS RESPONSIBLE FOR THAT. 
          UM, I MENTIONED THE SCORE EARLIER, AND I MENTIONED THAT LAST TIME. 
          SO WE'VE BROKEN THAT UP INTO CRITICAL, UH, FROM CRITICAL TO VERY LOW, UH, ZERO BEING THE WORST SCORE, UH, A HUNDRED BEING A PERFECT SCORE THAT WE DO NOT NEED TO DO ANYTHING. 
          AND THAT'S GIVEN US THE ABILITY TO KIND OF COMPARTMENTALIZE EACH OF THE LOCATIONS. 
          LOOKING AT THAT. 
          UH, SO THE MAJORITY OF OURS ARE ON THE UPPER END, WHICH IS GREAT NEWS. 
          UM, WE'VE ONLY GOT 1% OF THOSE 3000 LOCATIONS THAT FALL IN THAT CRITICAL RANGE, THE ZERO TO 20. 
          UM, BUT THE, WE'VE GOT OVER HALF THAT FALL, 61 TO 80, WHICH MEANS THERE'S PROBABLY SOME MAINTENANCE THERE THAT NEEDS TO BE DONE THERE. 
          UM, AND THEN, UH, 17%, THAT'S 81 TO A HUNDRED. 
          SO OVERARCHINGLY, I THINK WE ALL RECEIVED THIS AS GOOD NEWS, BUT OBVIOUSLY THERE ARE ISSUES THAT NEED TO BE ADDRESSED. 
          SHOWED THIS LAST TIME, UH, THIS IS A BEFORE AND AFTER WE HAD A STEEP BANK, UH, HUGE EROSION ISSUE. 
          IT WAS ACTUALLY THE SOIL AND THE TREES ABOVE IT WERE CANTILEVERED. 
          WE CAME IN WITH A, A GABON STRUCTURE, UH, THAT'S ABOUT 15 OR 18 FEET TALL. 
          SO, UH, THE COST OF THAT WAS AROUND 1.6 MILLION. 
          VERY EXPENSIVE. 
          UH, BUT HOPEFULLY WE WILL GET 40 OR 50 YEARS OUT OF THAT PRODUCT. 
          THIS IS ONE I TALKED ABOUT LAST TIME, AND WE'LL TALK ABOUT THIS IN A FUTURE SLIDE. 
          BUT WHAT SOME OF THE OTHER CITIES ARE DOING FOR ASSISTANCE, UH, FOR CITIZENS WHEN THE CITY IS NOT RESPONSIBLE FOR THAT. 
          YOU CAN SEE 
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PLANO RIGHT NOW, IT'S REALLY BASED ON THE PLAT LANGUAGE. 
          WHO'S THAT MAINTENANCE RESPONSIBILITY? UH, DALLAS IS KIND OF THIS GRAY AREA WHERE THEY SAY NO, BUT THEY'VE RAISED SOME MONEY, SO THEY'VE KIND OF GONE BACK AND FORTH. 
          RICHARDSON HAS A FLAT RATE, REGARDLESS OF THE COST, REGARDLESS OF THE VALUE OF THE PROPERTY. 
          IF THE OWNER PAYS 5,000, THEY WILL GO OUT AND SPEND 500, WHATEVER THE, THE COST MAY BE. 
          GARLAND ACTUALLY HAS A PERCENTAGE. 
          SO RESIDENTIAL 50, 50, 50% IS THE CITY, 50% IS THE, UH, RESIDENT. 
          UH, AND THEN COMMERCIAL, THEY HAVE A TWO THIRDS, ONE THIRD. 
          AND THEN YOU CAN SEE, UH, FRISCO, MCKINNEY IN ARLINGTON DO NOT DO ANYTHING. 
          UH, THIS SLIDE FROM LAST TIME. 
          SO THIS BREAKS DOWN. 
          THE CRITICAL IS WHAT, UH, WE PUT THERE ON THE LEFT. 
          THAT'S ZERO TO 20, UH, JUST OVER $10 MILLION. 
          THAT'S ALL PROPERTIES. 
          THAT'S CITY, THAT'S PRIVATE OWNER, RESIDENTIAL AND NON-RESIDENTIAL AS WELL AS HOA. 
          UM, AND THEN WE HAD THE CONSULTANT PROVIDE US COST ESTIMATES FOR 21 TO 60. 
          WE DID NOT HAVE HIM GO ABOVE AND BEYOND THAT. 
          UH, BUT YOU CAN SEE THERE'S ABOUT 150 MILLION FROM THAT 21 TO 60 RANGE. 
          SO DISCUSSION, UH, CRITICAL IS WHAT WE'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT. 
          THAT'S THE DIRECTION THAT WE'VE RECEIVED TO DATE. 
          UH, SO WHAT I'VE TRIED TO DO IS BREAK THAT DOWN, UH, IN WHAT THE, THE BUCKETS THAT WOULD BE CITY OWNED IS ABOUT 6.75 MILLION AS OUR ESTIMATE. 
          NOW, THESE ARE ESTIMATES BASED ON AN INITIAL SITE VISIT. 
          THESE ARE NOT DETAILED ESTIMATES. 
          THEY'VE LOOKED AT IT AND SAID, OKAY, WELL IF WE DID, UH, A GAB BIAN STRUCTURE, THAT MAY NOT BE THE FINAL OR FINISHED PRODUCT. 
          SO THESE MAY FLUCTUATE, BUT THEY HAD TO, UH, ASSESS A NUMBER TWO, IT, UM, PRIVATE OWNERSHIP, AGAIN, THAT'S RESIDENTIAL AND NON-RESIDENTIAL, WHICH INCLUDES COMMERCIAL, UH, NINE LOCATIONS, BUT 3.45 MILLION. 
          AND THEN WE'VE GOT ONE HOA PROPERTY THAT FELL WITHIN THAT CRITICAL, UH, LOCATION OF A HUNDRED AND ESTIMATES 150. 
          SO WHAT WE'LL BE LOOKING FORWARD TONIGHT IS GUIDANCE OR DIRECTION ON DO WE DO ALL, UH, OF THE PROPERTIES? DO WE JUST DO CITY? AND THERE YOU CAN GET AN IDEA OF WHAT THOSE COST IMPLICATIONS WOULD BE DEPENDING ON THAT DECISION. 
          UM, IF WE DO GO BEYOND THE CITY OWNERSHIP AND GO TO PRIVATE OWNERSHIP, SO THERE WILL BE AN ACQUISITION COMPONENT TO THIS, UM, WE, MOST OF THE PLATS WILL SPECIFICALLY STATE IN THERE THAT IT IS THE PROPERTY OWNER'S RESPONSIBILITY TO ADDRESS EROSION. 
          SO IF WE ARE GOING TO GO AND DO SOME KIND OF ASSISTANCE, WE'LL NEED TO, UH, ACQUIRE THE RIGHTS TO PUT SOME KIND OF STRUCTURE, UH, DO SOME SORT OF WORK ON PRIVATE PROPERTY. 
          WE ARE WORKING WITH LEGAL AND WHAT THAT WOULD LOOK LIKE. 
          UM, WHAT WE HAVE PROPOSED IS IF WE DO MOVE IN THAT DIRECTION AS WE WOULD REQUIRE THOSE RIGHTS TO BE DEDICATED TO THE CITY, WE WOULD NOT PURCHASE, UH, AN EASEMENT. 
          UH, WE'VE ALSO, UH, SAID THAT ANY ENCROACHMENTS THAT THE PROPERTY WE MAY HAVE IN THAT AREA, THE PROPERTY OWNER WOULD BE RESPONSIBLE FOR THOSE ENCROACHMENTS. 
          THAT COULD BE A FENCE, THAT COULD BE A, A DECK, IT COULD BE LANDSCAPING, IT MIGHT BE A POOL. 
          UH, SO THERE ARE, UH, BIG SPECTRUMS ON THAT, BUT THAT WOULD BE THE RESPONSIBILITY OF THE OWNER BEFORE THE CITY WOULD COME IN AND DO THAT. 
          UH, AND THEN IF WE ARE NOT SUCCESSFUL IN ACQUIRING THOSE RIGHTS, THE QUESTION WOULD BE WHAT DO WE DO? DO WE REDESIGN THE PROJECT TO LEAVE OUT A PROPERTY OWNER? AND SO THE EXAMPLE I'VE SHOWN THERE, YOU CAN SEE THE ORANGE LINE THAT'S FOLLOWING THE CHANNEL, THAT'S THE EROSION AREA. 
          AND SO YOU CAN SEE IT ENCOMPASSES ABOUT FOUR PROPERTIES, UH, TO THE LEFT. 
          IF FOR WHATEVER REASON, THE ONE IN THE ORANGE JUST MAKES THE DECISION, I AM NOT GIVING YOU MY RIGHTS. 
          WE ARE GONNA HAVE TO EVALUATE AND SEE WHAT WE DO WITH THAT PROJECT. 
          DO WE REDESIGN AROUND THAT PROPERTY? DO WE, UM, PUT THE PROJECT ON HOLD UNTIL THAT PROPERTY OWNER MAKES THAT DECISION? DO WE CONSIDER SOMETHING MORE AGGRESSIVE LIKE IMMINENT DOMAIN BECAUSE IT IS A CRITICAL PROJECT? THOSE WILL BE DECISIONS THAT WE'LL HAVE TO MAKE, UH, FOR PARTICIPATION. 
          SO WE'VE GOT THE 10, UH, PRIVATE OWNERS, AGAIN, RESIDENTIAL, NON-RESIDENTIAL, AND THEN THE HOA PROPERTY. 
          UH, SO I TOOK THE NUMBERS FROM RICHARDSON AND, UH, GARLAND AS JUST SOME GO BYS OR SOME EXAMPLES. 
          IF WE HAD A 50 50 PROGRAM, THE 50%, THOSE PROJECTS ARE ESTIMATED AROUND 3.6 MILLION. 
          SO THE CITY WOULD RECEIVE 1.8 MILLION IF WE DID ALL OF THOSE PROJECTS. 
          UH, IF WE DID A ONE THIRDS, TWO THIRDS, DEPENDING ON, YOU KNOW, IF WE ASSIGN THAT TO RESIDENTIAL OR COMMERCIAL, THAT WOULD BE CLOSER TO 1.2. 
          SO THE EXAMPLE WOULD BE CONSTRUCTION COST IS 400,000. 
          SAY FOR EXAMPLE, IT THIS PROJECT BEHIND IT. 
          AND WHAT WE WOULD DO IS JUST LIMIT THAT TO THE PROPERTIES IMPACT. 
          WE WOULD NOT ASSIGN IT TO THE ENTIRE PROJECT. 
          IF IT WAS 1.6 MILLION, 
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IT WOULD JUST BE THE IMPROVEMENTS ON THAT PROPERTY. 
          UH, BUT IN THIS CASE, IF THE IMPROVEMENTS WITHIN THEIR LIMITS ARE 400, IF WE DID A 50 50, IT WOULD BE 200,000, WHICH OBVIOUSLY IS SUBSTANTIAL. 
          THE OTHER OPTION IS A FLAT RATE, UH, WHETHER IT'S A 5,000, A 7,500, JUST GIVING YOU SOME EXAMPLES UP THERE. 
          SO REGARDLESS OF THE CONSTRUCTION COST, THERE'D BE A FLAT RATE. 
          UH, AND IF WE DID 7,500, OBVIOUSLY THAT WOULD BE THE RESULT. 
          UH, SO THOSE WOULD BE THINGS THAT WE WOULD BE LOOKING FOR GUIDANCE ON. 
          DO WE REQUIRE PARTICIPATION? UH, AND THEN, YOU KNOW, WHAT ARE THE NEXT STEPS? UH, THERE ARE SOME OTHER OPTIONS. 
          YOU KNOW, THE PROJECT COST COULD BE THE PERCENTAGE, THE PROPERTY VALUE COULD BE THE PERCENTAGE, DEPENDING ON THE RATIO OF THE IMPROVEMENTS. 
          UH, DO WE DO A FLAT RATE PER PROPERTY? UH, IS IT EQUAL BASED ON THE, THE SIZE OF THE PROPERTY? YOU KNOW, THERE'S ALL KINDS OF DIFFERENT SCENARIOS. 
          IS THERE A OTHER OR DO WE CONSIDER NO PARTICIPATION? THOSE ARE ALL THINGS THAT WE'LL BE LOOKING FOR. 
          GUIDANCE. 
          I'M GETTING AHEAD HERE. 
          SO FOR DISCUSSION, UH, I'VE KIND OF TALKED THROUGH THESE, UH, THE OWNERSHIP, LIKE I SAID, THE, THE DIRECTION WE'VE RECEIVED TO DATE IS THE CRITICAL ONES THAT WE SHOULD BE LOOKING AT. 
          WE'VE BEEN WORKING WITH KAREN FROM A BUDGET PERSPECTIVE. 
          THOSE ARE THE NUMBERS THAT SHE'S USING, UM, TO ADDRESS THOSE CRITICAL ONES. 
          UM, BUT OBVIOUSLY THAT CHANGES. 
          IF WE MAKE A DECISION HERE TONIGHT THAT SAYS WE JUST WANNA DO CITY OR WE WANT TO JUST DO CITY AND RESIDENTIAL. 
          UH, THOSE COULD ALL HAVE A, AN IMPACT ACQUISITION. 
          UH, DO WE WANT TO TAKE, UH, WHAT STEPS ARE WE WILLING TO TAKE TO DO ACQUISITION? ARE WE WILLING TO PLACE A PROJECT ON HOLD, UH, PARTICIPATION? WE TALKED ABOUT THAT. 
          AND THEN OUR PLAN WOULD BE TO DO AN EVALUATION EVERY FIVE YEARS. 
          AND SO RIGHT NOW WHAT WE DON'T HAVE IS THE DATA OF WHAT IS THE RATE OF THE EROSION, WHAT IS GONNA BE OUR NEXT, UH, SET OF CRITICAL PROJECTS. 
          UM, AND SO THAT'S WHAT WE WOULD ASSESS AND SEE WHETHER OR NOT THAT BUDGET NEEDS TO STAY THE SAME OR DOES IT NEED TO CHANGE? UH, AND THEN WE WOULD REASSESS THIS POLICY EVERY FIVE YEARS. 
          DID THIS WORK, UH, SINCE THIS IS THE FIRST TIME WE'RE DOING IT OR DO WE NEED TO CHANGE IT? SO WITH THAT, I THINK THAT'S MY LAST SLIDE. 
          YEP. 
          PRETTY PICTURE THERE. 
          SO MAY COUNSEL, UH, IT, THIS IS, UH, YOU KNOW, I THINK IF WE JUST GO DOWN THIS SLIDE AND, AND IF Y'ALL ARE COMFORTABLE WITH FOCUSING ON THE CRITICAL SCORING CRITERIA, THAT WOULD BE QUESTION ONE. 
          UM, QUESTION TWO WOULD BE THE ACQUISITION ARE, ARE Y'ALL COMFORTABLE WITH MOVING FORWARD WITH THE, THE EASEMENT ASPECT? UM, AND IF THE, IF WE CAN'T COME TO AGREEMENT ON THE EASEMENT, WHAT WOULD YOU WANT THAT NEXT REMEDY TO BE? IS IT ABANDONMENT? IS IT IMMINENT DOMAIN? WHAT, WHAT MIGHT THAT BE? AND THEN THE THIRD PIECE IS GONNA BE THAT PARTICIPATION. 
          UM, DO THE CITIZENS AND HOA AND AND PRIVATE PROPERTY OWNERS PARTICIPATE? IF SO, AT WHAT RATE? UM, ARE ARE THE THREE QUESTIONS? SO, UM, IF YOU CAN PROVIDE THAT, WE CAN ACTUALLY COME BACK WITH THE PROGRAM AND TELL YOU WHAT THE COSTS ARE GONNA LOOK LIKE AND, AND WHAT THAT PROGRAM IS GONNA LOOK LIKE. 
          JULIE, THANK YOU. 
          CAN I GET CLARIFICATION? WHEN YOU SAID THAT THERE'S 10 PRIVATE OWNERS, AND YOU SAID THE RESIDENTIAL AND COMMERCIAL. 
          DID YOU BREAK THAT DOWN? HOW MANY ARE RESIDENTIAL? HOW MANY ARE COMMERCIAL? IS THERE ANY REASON THAT WE HAVEN'T LOOKED AT THOSE SEPARATELY OR WE HAVEN'T? NO, BUT WE CAN GET THAT NUMBER FOR YOU. 
          WE JUST HAVE TO PULL THAT UP. 
          OKAY. 
          UM, AND WHEN YOU SAID THAT THE PROPERTY OWNERS WOULD BE RESPONSIBLE FOR ANY ENCROACHMENTS, THE, THAT WOULD NEED TO BE TAKEN CARE OF, LIKE THEY WOULD HAVE TO STABILIZE, FOR EXAMPLE, SWIMMING POOL BEFORE WE WOULD COME IN. 
          IS THAT WHAT YOU MEANT BY THAT? WHAT DO YOU MEAN? NO. 
          SO WHAT WE'VE SEEN IN SOME OF THE DISCUSSIONS WITH PROPERTY OWNERS IS THEIR FENCE EXTENDS TO, INTO THE AREA THAT WE WOULD HAVE TO PUT IN SOME SORT OF DEVICE OR STRUCTURE. 
          SO THEY WOULD ACTUALLY HAVE TO MOVE THEIR FENCE. 
          UH, THEY MAY HAVE TO MOVE A LANDSCAPE BED, DEPENDING ON THEIR SITUATION. 
          THEY MAY HAVE TO MOVE A POOL, IS WHAT I MEANT BY THAT. 
          SO IT COULD BE THAT ENCOMPASSING THAT THE EROSION HAS GOTTEN TO A POINT TO WHERE WE NEED TO DO THIS. 
          UH, AND IT MAY IMPACT THE POOL. 
          NOW THEY MAY NOT HAVE TO MOVE IT, BUT WE MAY NOT BE ABLE TO INSTALL A WALL RIGHT ON TOP OF, OR RIGHT NEXT TO A POOL. 
          THE POOL MAY BE IMPACTED BY THAT. 
          AND DO WE HAVE THAT INFORMATION OF HOW MANY PROPERTIES MIGHT I, I DON'T HAVE, HOW MANY ARE IMPACTED BY A POOL? OKAY. 
          I THINK THAT THOSE ARE ALL MY QUESTIONS FOR NOW. 
          THANKS MAYOR. 
          PROTO. 
          HI. 
          SO, UM, UH, UH, I'M A LITTLE BIT MORE IN THE BA BASIC SIDE. 
          SO AT THIS POINT WE'VE IDENTIFIED ALL THE CRITICAL, UM, STRUCTURES THAT NEEDS TO BE, UH, DEALT WITH. 
          AND SO MY QUESTION IS FOR EACH, FOR, I GUESS FOR EACH OF THE PROJECT, HOW LONG DO YOU THINK THIS'S GONNA TAKE FOR THESE 17% PROJECTS THAT WE 
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ARE, UM, WE, WE HAVE IDENTIFIED AS CRITICAL. 
          SO WE'VE IDENTIFIED 42 LOCATIONS IN THE CRITICAL, UM, WHAT WE'LL BE ABLE TO DO IS, UH, LUMP SOME OF THOSE LOCATIONS AS ONE PROJECT. 
          UH, SO LIKE KAREN MENTIONED EARLIER, OUR GOAL WOULD BE TO ADDRESS ALL THE CRITICAL PROJECTS OR LOCATIONS WITHIN THREE YEARS. 
          SO EACH DESIGN PROJECT MAY HAVE SOMEWHERE BETWEEN FIVE AND 10 DIFFERENT LOCATIONS IN THAT PROJECT. 
          AND THEN WE WOULD PUT OUT ONE LARGE CONSTRUCTION PROJECT THAT SAYS CONSTRUCT A GABON WALL AT THIS LOCATION AND AT THIS LOCATION. 
          AND AT THIS LOCATION, WE WOULD DO MULTIPLE PROJECTS. 
          WE'D HAVE THEM RUNNING CONCURRENTLY, UH, WITH DIFFERENT, UH, CONSULTANTS. 
          AND THEN THE GOAL WOULD BE TO HAVE THEM DESIGN, GO THROUGH THE ACQUISITION PROCESS, UH, AND HAVE THEM CONSTRUCTED WITHIN THREE YEARS. 
          OKAY. 
          SO, UM, BASICALLY I GUESS FOR EACH OF THE PROJECT, YOU ARE ESTIMATING ABOUT THREE YEARS PER PROJECT? YEAH. 
          YEAH, I WOULD SAY THAT'S PROBABLY A SAFE GUESS. 
          OKAY. 
          AND AT THIS POINT WE HAVE, UM, DO WE HAVE SUFFICIENT FUNDS FOR THOSE ARE, UM, I I I I'M PRETTY SURE THAT WE HAVE SUFFICIENT FUNDS FOR THE CITY OWNED PROPERTY. 
          RIGHT? SO RIGHT NOW THE, THE QUESTION IS WHETHER OR NOT WE HAVE SUFFICIENT FUNDS TO, UM, TO HELP WITH THE NON-CITY PROPERTY. 
          AM I RIGHT? YEAH. 
          AND I DON'T KNOW, KAREN, IF YOU HAVE ANY NUMBERS ON WHERE WE SIT TODAY WITH DRAINAGE? NO, BUT OKAY. 
          WHATEVER WE DO, EVEN IF I TAKE THESE OUT, WE STILL HAVE TO HAVE SOME KIND OF RATE INCREASE. 
          OKAY. 
          BUT WE DID INCLUDE THE 10 MILLION FOR ALL THE OKAY. 
          CRITICAL OVER THREE YEARS. 
          YEAH. 
          DID YOU HEAR THAT? SO THE 10 MIL, THE 10 MILLION CRITICAL, WE HAVE PUT THAT IN THE BUDGET. 
          WE'VE PROGRAMMED THAT OVER THE NEXT THREE YEARS, YES. 
          OKAY. 
          IT'LL BE IN THE, THE, SO THOSE ARE COVERED. 
          SO THE ONES THAT RIGHT, RIGHT NOW WE'RE NOT, WE'RE, WE HAVEN'T DECIDED YET AS THE ONES THAT ARE NOT OWNED BY THE CITY. 
          I'M SORRY. 
          CORRECT. 
          RIGHT. 
          OKAY. 
          THAT'S CORRECT. 
          THE ONES THAT ARE NOT OWNED BY THE CITY, WE HAVE NOT DECIDED BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE ACCESS AT THIS POINT. 
          WE DON'T HAVE NECESSARILY A RIGHT TO BE THERE AND WE DON'T HAVE THE POLICY DECISION ON, ON PARTICIPATION YET. 
          ALRIGHT. 
          THANK YOU VERY MUCH, RICK. 
          THANK YOU. 
          UH, CALEB, GREAT PRESENTATION AGAIN. 
          THANK YOU. 
          VERY INFORMATIVE. 
          UM, UH, A COUPLE OF THINGS I WANTED TO KIND OF TALK ABOUT REALLY WAS I KNOW WE'RE LOOKING AT THE CRITICAL, UH, THOSE, THOSE ELEMENTS THAT ARE CRITICAL. 
          UM, AND WE'RE LOOKING AT REASSESSING EVERY FIVE YEARS. 
          IS THAT CORRECT? CORRECT. 
          UM, THAT'S A SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF TIME BETWEEN THE START OF THE PROJECT. 
          AND I MEAN, GRANTED WE HAVE A LOT OF WORK TO DO BEFOREHAND. 
          THAT IS OF COURSE, YOU KNOW, GETTING THE, UH, ACCESS. 
          THEN WE HAVE THE ENCROACHMENT ISSUES 'CAUSE WE'VE SEEN THESE PROPERTIES. 
          THERE'S FENCES, THERE'S POOLS, THERE'S GARDENS, THERE'S A HOLDING. 
          SO, UM, MY ONLY CONCERN IS, IS WHEN WE LOOK AT THE, THE CRITICAL ASPECTS OF THEM, WE'RE NOT LOOKING AT THE, THE NEXT LEVEL, WHICH ARE LESS THAN CRITICAL, BUT I'M CONCERNED OVER THE FIVE YEAR PERIOD, I MEAN, WE, WE DON'T KNOW WHAT THE, WHAT'S HAPPENING WITH STORMWATER. 
          WE CAN'T PREDICT THAT. 
          RIGHT. 
          BUT ALL OF A SUDDEN THAT NUMBER INCREASES SIGNIFICANTLY. 
          RIGHT. 
          AND THROUGH VALUE ENGINEERING, WOULD THERE BE SOME MITIGATION THAT WE MIGHT BE ABLE TO IMPLEMENT TO, TO HELP KEEP THAT FROM TURNING CRITICAL AT A LOWER COST THAN SAY THE GAY BEYOND BASKETS? RIGHT. 
          I MEAN, IT'S GONNA BE SITE SPECIFIC, I UNDERSTAND THAT. 
          RIGHT. 
          BUT I'M KIND OF URGING THAT WE KIND OF KEEP THAT IN OUR HEADS BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, THESE BANKS ARE GOING TO CONTINUE TO ERODE AND AS WE PROGRESS THROUGH THE THREE YEARS, WE'RE GONNA SEE A, A LARGER POPULATION OF THE CRITICAL. 
          WE RECOGNIZE THAT. 
          YEAH. 
          OKAY. 
          SO I'M LOOKING AT THAT PART OF IT. 
          I'M, I'M THE OTHER PART. 
          UM, AND I'M MORE INCLINED IF WE HAVE THE PARTICIPATION OF THE HOMEOWNER, THEY ARE PAYING A DRAINAGE FEE AND WE'RE LOOKING AT INCREASING THE DRAINAGE FEE AND THAT'S GONNA HELP US ON SOME OF OUR CITY WORK. 
          BUT IS THAT GONNA HELP US ON THE PRIVATE WORK THIS, UH, THE CRITICAL WORK THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT HERE? IF WE INCLUDE THOSE TONIGHT OR MAKE THAT DECISION, THEN THE ANSWER WOULD BE YES. 
          OKAY. 
          WELL, UM, AND WE LOOKED AT, THERE WAS SOME DISCUSSION OF COST SHARING. 
          MM-HMM . 
          I'M MORE IN FAVOR FROM A PROPERTY OWNER BEING ABLE TO HAVE A FLAT FEE RATHER THAN A PERCENTAGE BECAUSE THE PERCENTAGE, THERE'S SOME GUESSWORK. 
          HOW MUCH OF THE FRONTAGE ARE WE LOOKING AT? RIGHT? HOW MUCH IS THE LOT, EVEN HOW MUCH IS THE, THE TALK? SO WHEN YOU, I KIND OF LOOK AT THIS FROM A REGULAR HOMEOWNERS THAT HAS TO REPLACE A ROOF, 
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YOU KNOW, FROM A HAILSTORM, YOU KNOW, 7,500 TO 10,000 IS NOT UNREASONABLE TO LOOK AT EVERY A ROOF REPLACEMENT. 
          THIS IS ALMOST ALONG THAT SAME LINE. 
          MM-HMM . 
          SO I WOULD, I WOULD ALMOST SAY INCREASE THE HOMEOWNER PARTICIPATION TO, TO $10,000 TO HELP MITIGATE SOME OF THAT COST. 
          'CAUSE THERE'S SOME OWNERSHIP PART OF THAT. 
          I GRANT YOU IF THEY HAVE TO MOVE A POOL, THAT'S A, A SIGNIFICANT COST BURDEN ON THE HOMEOWNER, BUT IT'S STILL SOMETHING THAT WE WOULD HAVE TO LOOK AT. 
          SO, UM, AGAIN, I'M JUST NOT, NOT TO REPEAT MYSELF AGAIN, BUT I THINK WE MAY, MAY NEED TO LOOK AT THE NEXT LEVEL OF CRITICAL PART YES. 
          ADDRESS THE CRITICAL COMPONENTS NOW FROM THE HOA AND HOMEOWNER'S PERSPECTIVE. 
          BUT I THINK IF WE, IF WE TAKE SOME MEASURES ON SOME OF THE ONES THAT SCORED JUST BELOW CRITICAL, RIGHT. 
          AND HAVE SOMETHING THAT MAY MITIGATE AND KEEP IT FROM BEING CRITICAL FIVE TO 10 YEARS, THAT MAY BE THE BEST INTEREST OF THE CITY. 
          AND, AND CALEB, JUST MAKE SURE I'M, I'M, WE'RE CONVEYING THIS THE RIGHT WAY. 
          WHILE WE HAVE FUNDING FOR THREE YEARS, WE WOULD NOT STOP WORK IN YEARS FOUR AND FIVE BEFORE THAT ASSESSMENT. 
          SO THERE, THERE WOULD BE SOME ADDITIONAL OPPORTUNITY FOR WORK IN THAT TIMEFRAME. 
          COUNCILMAN AS WELL. 
          I, I THINK WHAT WE'VE DONE IS WE'VE KIND OF DRAWN THAT LINE, UM, JUST BASED UPON THIS EVALUATION. 
          UM, BUT IT'S, IT, IT'S, CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, CALEB, IT'S A NUMERICAL RANKING IN KIND OF AN ORDINAL FASHION OF, OF WE KNOW WHAT'S WORSE. 
          SO WE COULD ACTUALLY REDRAW THAT LINE IN A, A PLACE THAT, YOU KNOW, DRAWS MORE IN. 
          BUT TO, TO THAT POINT, ONCE WE GET DONE WITH YEAR THREE, WE WOULD THEN MOVE ON TO WHATEVER IS NEXT ON THOSE LISTS IN YEAR FOUR AND FIVE SO THAT WE DON'T STOP WORKING IN THAT TIMEFRAME. 
          AND ONE LAST QUESTION, AND THIS IS, UH, HELP ME OUT HERE. 
          THE PLANT LANG, THE PLAT LANGUAGE THAT WE SEE HERE IS CLEAR AS WHO'S RESPONSIBLE? ARE WE GOING TO HAVE TO CHANGE OR MODIFY THOSE PLATS TO, TO HAVE THAT LANGUAGE, TO HAVE THAT TYPE OF WORK DONE BEFORE WE MOVE FORWARD? SO THAT'S WHERE MARK MENTIONED EARLIER THE EASEMENT. 
          WHAT, WHAT OUR PLAN AT THIS POINT WOULD BE TO, INSTEAD OF MODIFYING THE PLAT, IS TO, UH, PUT TOGETHER EASEMENT, UH, DOCUMENTS. 
          AND WE'RE WORKING THROUGH THAT AND WHAT IT SAYS AND HOW IT LOOKS, BUT WHETHER YOU CALL IT A STREAM BANK STABILIZATION EASEMENT, OR, YOU KNOW, AN EROSION CONTROLLED MAINTENANCE EASEMENT, EXCUSE ME. 
          BUT SOMETHING TO THAT EFFECT THAT WOULD ESSENTIALLY ALLOW US TO, UH, ENACT OR PUT IN THIS STRUCTURE, UH, INSTEAD OF REVISING THE PLAT FOR THIS PROPERTY AND THESE TWO NEXT TO IT, BUT THEN THE OTHER ONES, AND HAVING TO REPL. 
          AND, UH, SO WE'VE LOOKED AT DIFFERENT OPTIONS AS FAR AS, UH, EVEN FEE SIMPLE ACQUISITION. 
          THE CHALLENGE WITH THAT IS WHEN YOU DO THAT, YOU START IMPACTING THE ZONING ORDINANCE, SETBACKS, LOT DEPTHS AND STUFF LIKE THAT. 
          SO NOW YOU DO YOU CONSIDER A VARIANCE FOR THIS PROPERTY THAT'S CARRIED. 
          AND SO WE FEEL LIKE THE EASEMENT IS THE MOST APPROPRIATE AND, UH, THE, THE, THE EASIEST ESSENTIALLY TO ACCOMPLISH WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO HERE. 
          STEVE, SORRY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          UM, THANK YOU MAYOR. 
          UM, CALEB, COUPLE THINGS. 
          UM, ONE, JUST FOR CLARIFICATION, UM, YOU MENTIONED IMMINENT DOMAIN. 
          UM, CAN YOU GET, OR CAN WE DO, MAYBE THIS IS A PAGE QUESTION. 
          CAN YOU DO EMINENT DOMAIN JUST FOR THE RIGHTS AS OPPOSED TO THE PORTION OF THE PROPERTY? UM, I THINK WE CAN DO EMINENT DOMAINS JUST FOR EASEMENTS AND THINGS LIKE THAT, BUT I, IN THIS CASE, I PERSONALLY DON'T THINK WE SHOULD BE DOING THAT BECAUSE IT'S NOT GONNA TAKE CARE OF ANY ENCROACHMENT PROBLEMS. I JUST DON'T THINK WE SHOULD GO THERE. 
          EITHER PEOPLE WANNA PARTICIPATE AND HAVE US HELP FUND, OR I THINK WE SHOULD WALK AWAY. 
          OH, OKAY. 
          SO, UH, THAT JUST ANSWERS PART OF THAT QUESTION. 
          UM, IN SPEAKING TO SOME OF THE, UH, IMPACTED HOMEOWNERS, UM, THERE IS, UH, A FEELING THAT I SEE OUT THERE THAT THIS IS NOT MY FAULT. 
          UM, YOU KNOW, WHEN I MOVED IN HERE, YOU KNOW, WE DIDN'T HAVE THIS SHOPPING CENTER, OR WE DIDN'T HAVE THIS OTHER, UH, YOU KNOW, HOUSING DEVELOPMENT OR GOD KNOWS THE MALL OR SOMETHING THAT, YOU KNOW, IS NOW POURING THIS WASTEWATER, UH, PAST MY, UH, PROPERTY STORM WATER, EXCUSE, STORM WATER. 
          STORM WATER, NOT WASTEWATER, I APOLOGIZE. 
          STORM WATER, , STORM WATER. 
          LISA, CAN YOU WRITE THAT ONE? OKAY. 
          , I APOLOGIZE. 
          UM, AND SO I'M, I'M SYMPATHETIC TO THAT AND, UM, 
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I'M ALSO SYMPATHETIC TO THE FACT THAT, UM, WHILE IT'S BEEN MENTIONED THAT, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE WHO LIVE ALONG A CREEK SOMETIMES, UH, PAY MORE FOR THEIR LOT AND, YOU KNOW, THEY, THEY HAVE ALL THESE, YOU KNOW, UH, UH, EXPECTATIONS, UH, UH, AND SUCH. 
          BUT, UM, I HAVE A HARD TIME, UH, SEEING THIS BEING AN HOA, UH, PROBLEM. 
          UH, IT'S ONE THING TO CLEAN UP THE STORM BANK. 
          IT'S ANOTHER THING TO, UH, REHABILITATE IT. 
          UM, SO I, I WOULD FIND IT HARD TO, UH, SEE THAT, UH, BEING, UH, SOMETHING THAT THE HOA, UH, AND IN, IN MOST CASES, THE PROPERTY OWNER, I CAN SEE A SITUATION WHERE A PROPERTY OWNER MAY SAY, I, I JUST CAN'T ACCEPT THE, UM, UH, THE CIRCUMSTANCES THAT THE CITY IS, IS COMING THROUGH BECAUSE YEAH, IT DOES REQUIRE ME TO MOVE MY POOL AND, UM, I DON'T WANNA PAY FOR THAT. 
          I THINK THE CITY SHOULD PAY FOR THAT, OR WHOMEVER. 
          UM, SO I COULD SEE HOW THEY MIGHT NOT WANT TO PARTICIPATE WITHOUT SOME KIND OF FURTHER LEGAL, UH, SITUATION, WHICH IS WHY I ASKED ABOUT THE RIGHTS, UH, SITUATION. 
          UM, COUNCILMAN IF, IF YOU DON'T MIND, UH, ONE OF THE THINGS I THINK WE SHOULD ALSO RECOGNIZE THOUGH, IS THEY MAY NOT LOVE NECESSARILY THE DESIGN OR THE SOLUTION OR THE LOOK OF WHAT WE PUT IN FROM A CITY PERSPECTIVE AS WELL. 
          UM, THEY MAY HAVE PREFERENCE FOR AUSTIN STONE OR WHATEVER TO, TO COME IN VERSUS THE GIAN WALL WITH THE, THE, THE BASKETS THAT YOU SAW. 
          SO PART OF THAT ALSO BECOMES THAT THAT ASPECT, WHEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT COST AND PARTICIPATION, IS WHEN WE HAVE THAT EASEMENT, IT BECOMES THE STAFF AND, AND THE CITY'S DECISION AS FAR AS THE SOLUTION THAT GOES IN. 
          OKAY. 
          SO THAT MAY BE PART OF THE SITUATION AS WELL. 
          OKAY. 
          AND, AND, AND FINALLY, UM, I, I WANTED TO, UH, ECHO AND AND AGREE WITH, UH, COUNCILMAN HORNE BECAUSE, UM, AND I MENTIONED THIS IN OUR PREVIOUS DISCUSSION, I, I FEEL LIKE WE NEED TO DO SOMETHING TO MITIGATE, UM, THE, UH, THE LESS CRITICAL, UH, PROGRAMS, UH, WHILE WE ARE WORKING THROUGH THE CRITICAL PROGRAMS. AND, AND I DON'T KNOW WHERE ON THE LIST, YOU KNOW, THAT NUMBER SHOULD BE, BUT I, AND SOME IN, IN MY MIND, TO SOME EXTENT, IT'S LIKE, TAKE THE EASIEST ONES, UH, RATHER THAN THE ONES THAT ARE NEXT MOST CRITICAL. 
          'CAUSE WE KNOW WE'RE GONNA DO THOSE, UH, AFTER THREE YEARS OR WHATEVER, BUT, YOU KNOW, TO KEEP HOMEOWNERS FROM, UH, FURTHER DAMAGE OR WHATEVER, UH, IF THERE ARE THINGS THAT WE CAN DO NOW THAT DO NOT REQUIRE US TO BUILD A WALL OR WHATEVER, IT SEEMS LIKE IT'S PRUDENT FOR US TO DO THAT NOW. 
          YEAH. 
          AND WE'VE HAD THOSE DISCUSSIONS INTERNALLY ABOUT WHAT KIND OF MAINTENANCE PROGRAM WE COULD IMPLEMENT THAT WOULD, YOU KNOW, ADDRESS THE LOW HANGING FRUIT, ESSENTIALLY THE, THE 10,000, $15,000 REPAIR THAT COULD, UH, YOU KNOW, EXPAND TO HALF A MILLION DOLLARS IN FIVE OR 10 YEARS. 
          UM, I THINK AT THIS POINT, WITH THESE, THE SIZE AND THE NUMBER OF PROJECTS IN THE CRITICAL, UH, THAT'S WHAT WOULD BE OUR FIRST FOCUS. 
          UH, BUT THEN HOW CAN WE DEVELOP A PROGRAM AND WHAT WOULD BE THAT BREAK POINT? IS IT A SCORE OF 80 AND ABOVE? WE COULD DO MAINTENANCE ON, UH, THE CHALLENGE I THINK WOULD BE IS, IS 80, THE RIGHT NUMBER IS 60, THE RIGHT NUMBER IS 75 THE RIGHT NUMBER. 
          IF WE SET IT AT 75 AND YOU SCORE IS 74, I'M SORRY, YOU'VE GOTTA WAIT UNTIL YOU GET TO A 19 BEFORE. 
          SO WE'D LIKE TO COME UP WITH A PROGRAM, BUT I THINK IF FOR THIS MOMENT WE'RE TRYING TO ADDRESS THE CRITICAL, LET'S GET THOSE OFF. 
          WE'LL DO A REASSESSMENT AND SEE IF OUR NEXT ROUND OF CRITICAL IS 10 MILLION, IS IT 2 MILLION, IS IT 25 MILLION? UH, AND THEN DETERMINE, BECAUSE AT SOME POINT WE ALSO, WE HAVE THE, UH, THE STAFF CONCERN OF, YOU KNOW, DO WE NEED TO ASSIGN SPECIFIC STAFF TO JUST DO THE SMALLER REPAIRS WHILE WE'VE GOT STAFF DOING THE LARGER REPAIRS? SO THERE'S A WORKLOAD COMPONENT TO IT, BUT YOU'RE EXACTLY RIGHT. 
          AND I AGREE. 
          THANKS, JULIE. 
          WHEN GOING BACK TO MY EARLIER QUESTION, YOU SAID WE HAVE 10 PRIVATE OWNERS THAT ARE BOTH RESIDENTIAL AND COMMERCIAL. 
          WHEN YOU SAY RESIDENTIAL, DOES THAT MEAN THEY HAVE A HOMESTEAD EXEMPTION ON THE PROPERTY? I'D HAVE TO LOOK INDIVIDUALLY TO SEE WHAT KIND OF EXEMPTIONS THEY HAVE. 
          I DON'T KNOW. 
          SO I GUESS I WOULD BE CURIOUS TO HAVE A BETTER UNDERSTANDING OF WHAT DO WE MEAN WHEN WE SAY RESIDENTIAL VERSUS COMMERCIAL? BECAUSE MY INCLINATION IS TO WANT TO BE MORE EMPATHETIC TOWARDS SOMEONE WHO IT'S THEIR HOMESTEAD PROPERTY VERSUS AN INVESTMENT 
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PROPERTY OR COMMERCIAL PROPERTY. 
          UM, IF IT'S THEIR HOME, I, I TEND TO WANT TO BE A LITTLE BIT MORE EMPATHETIC. 
          I MEAN, UM, THAT'S, THAT'S, THAT'S THEIR HOME. 
          SO IT'S, IT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT THEY CAN EASILY UP AND MOVE OR WOULD WANT TO. 
          SO I JUST WANNA PUT THAT OUT THERE. 
          UM, SO BOB, DID YOU, DID YOU WANT TO SPEAK? YOU DISAPPEARED, BUT YOU'RE BACK. 
          OKAY, VERY GOOD. 
          THANKS. 
          THANKS FOR NOTICING THAT. 
          I APPRECIATE IT. 
          I'VE BEEN THINKING A LOT A A ABOUT THIS AND HAVING, YOU KNOW, VISITED A FEW OF THE STREAM BANKS AND SEEN WHAT'S GOING ON. 
          UM, I DO FEEL THAT WE DO USE THE STREAM BANKS AS PART OF OUR STORM WATER, YOU KNOW, MANAGEMENT. 
          SO I, I THINK THERE'S OWNERSHIP THERE FOR THE CITY. 
          OBVIOUS, IT'S VERY CLEAR ON THE PARTS THAT WE OWN. 
          UH, BUT WITH THAT IN MIND, I I, I'M ALIGNED WITH RICK AND OTHERS AND PARTICULARLY JULIE'S THOUGHTS AROUND, UH, PARTICIPATION, YOU KNOW, FROM THE HOMEOWNERS. 
          IF THEY, IF IT'S THEIR HOME AND THAT'S WHERE THEY'RE LIVING, THEN MAYBE IT'S NOT QUITE AS MUCH. 
          BUT I THINK A, A FLAT RATE IS PROBABLY, DOES MAKE THE MOST SENSE. 
          IT MAKES IT EASIER FOR EVERYONE TO PLAN, BUT IT'S ALSO PROBABLY THE RIGHT THING TO DO AS WELL WHEN IT COMES TO ACQUISITION. 
          YOU KNOW, IF WE'RE TAKING RESPONSIBILITY FOR THAT, THEN I THINK WE ALSO NEED TO TAKE THE OWNERSHIP FOR IT. 
          AND I'D BE OPEN TO GOING AS FAR AS EMINENT DOMAIN TO BE SURE WE CAN TAKE CARE OF THE ENTIRE STREAM BANK IN, IN ANY GIVEN AREA, RATHER THAN BEING, UM, YOU KNOW, HUMS, HAMSTRUNG A LITTLE BIT BY AN OWNER OR SOMEONE WHO'S NOT READY TO PART PARTICIPATE. 
          OKAY. 
          AL, THANK YOU, MAYOR. 
          UM, I DO HAVE TWO COMMENTS. 
          UM, FROM OUR PREVIOUS MEETING, I THINK YOU SAID SO FAR THERE'S BUDGET ON $10 MILLION, BUT DO WE HAVE ANYTHING BUDGETED ASIDE FOR MAINTENANCE OR UPKEEP IN ANY OF THAT ASPECT WHILE THESE PROJECTS ARE TAKING PLACE AS WELL TOO? YEAH, NOT WITH THIS PROPOSED INCREASE. 
          THIS IS ALL FOR JUST THE CRITICAL, BUT ARE WE PLANNING TO HAVE THAT IN THE FUTURE? SO THAT WOULD BE THE GOAL. 
          UM, BUT I THINK THAT'S WHAT WE WOULD REEVALUATE AND REASSESS BASED ON THE, THE FUTURE STUDY, HOPEFULLY. 
          AND COUNCILMAN, WE, WE ARE IN BUDGET SEASON. 
          I KNOW, THAT'S WHY I'M BRINGING UP. 
          SO IF WE'RE JUST, YES. 
          SO IF, IF YOU WOULD LIKE US TO BRING BACK OPTIONS OF WHAT, 'CAUSE AGAIN, WE'RE WE'LL RUN INTO DOLLARS AND THEN STAFF CAPACITY ARE GONNA BE THE CORRECT, THE, THE ELEMENTS. 
          SO, BUT WE'RE HAPPY TO BRING BACK WHAT IT WOULD LOOK LIKE TO, TO EVEN JUST GET STARTED ON THE MAINTENANCE SIDE OF THINGS. 
          WE CAN CONVERSE THAT, ESPECIALLY IF IT'S IN-HOUSE DONE WITH OUR OWN DEPARTMENTS OR WITH OUTSOURCED. 
          UM, THE OTHER ONE AS WELL TOO, I JUST WANNA MAKE A COMMENT, IS I DID TOUR A LOT OF THESE FACIL, UH, A LOT OF THESE AREAS AND I ATTENDED ALL THE ONES I GOT INVITED TO AS WELL TOO. 
          AND THE NUMBER ONE QUESTION I ASKED ALL THE RESIDENTS WAS WERE THEY THE PRIMARY OWNER OR IS THIS THE SECONDARY OR THIRD TIME OWNER? SO A LOT OF THEM WERE NOT, WELL ACTUALLY NONE OF THEM WAS THE PRIMARY OWNER. 
          SO WHEN THEY PURCHASED THEIR PROPERTY, THEY'RE AWARE OF THE SITUATION AND THE CIRCUMSTANCES. 
          SO I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE EVERYBODY WAS AWARE OF THAT. 
          BUT, UM, I AM IN AGREEMENT OF THE COST SHARING OR SOME SORT OF COST BETWEEN THE PRIVATE OWNER AND THE CITY AS WELL TOO, BUT NOT THE PRIVATE OWNER PAYING ALL OF IT. 
          THAT'S MY INPUT. 
          SO WHAT I'M HEARING, UM, IS FIRST AND FOREMOST, I, I THINK TO, TO, UH, CREATE AN EASEMENT, UH, WOULD BE OUR, OUR FIRST CHOICE. 
          AND THEN, UH, IF, IF WE, WE STRUGGLE WITH THAT, UH, THEN, YOU KNOW, WE, WE, WE CAN TAKE THAT NEXT STEP. 
          UM, BUT, UM, I WAS WONDERING MAYBE IF WE COULD KIND OF EVALUATE, UH, A FLAT FEE OF 75, 10 20 AND, AND LOOK AT WHAT THAT MIGHT DO IN REGARDS TO WHAT, WHAT WE'D HAVE TO CHARGE ON STORM WATER, UH, IN THIS FIRST PHASE. 
          UM, AND, AND JUST SEE WHAT THE RATES WOULD LOOK LIKE, BECAUSE I, I THINK I, I WANT TO, I WANT TO SOLVE THIS ISSUE, BUT YOU GUYS ALL SEE WHAT WE'RE, WHAT WE'RE PAYING FOR WATER THESE DAYS AND, UH, THAT THAT BECOMES, UH, YOU KNOW, UH, PRETTY DIFFICULT FOR, FOR SOME OF OUR RES RESIDENTS. 
          SO AGAIN, I, I THINK FOR US TO LOOK AT A FLAT RATE WOULD, WOULD, WOULD BE A GOOD IDEA, BUT JUST MAYBE EVALUATE WHAT, WHAT, YOU KNOW, THREE OR FOUR DIFFERENT NUMBERS WOULD LOOK LIKE AND, AND HOW THAT WOULD, UH, YOU KNOW, UH, LOOK, WHEN, WHEN WE ADDED IT TO, TO OUR, OUR COMMUNITY'S WATER BILL. 
          YEAH, AND I DON'T WANT TO SPEAK FOR KAREN, BUT 
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I MAY ASK FOR YOUR HELP. 
          SO THERE'S 10 PROPERTIES WITHIN THE CRITICAL AREA RIGHT NOW. 
          SO 10,000 FLAT RATE, IT'S GONNA BE A HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS. 
          AND WE'RE LOOKING AT JUST OVER 10 MILLION OVER THE NEXT THREE YEARS. 
          UHHUH FOR THAT RATE INCREASE, IT, IT'S, IT'S GONNA BE MINIMAL. 
          YEAH. 
          YEAH, IT'S GONNA BE VERY MINIMAL. 
          OH, RICK, AGAIN, UM, I JUST WANT TO, AGAIN, ONE OF THE THINGS I'M CONCERNED ABOUT ARE FOLKS, IF WE'RE LOOKING AT THE DRAINAGE FEE INCREASE AND INCREASES THE WATER BILL, YOU KNOW, WE ALL PAY THE WATER BILL AND THERE WILL BE SOME IN THE COMMUNITY WHO SAY, WHY AM I PAYING FOR THE INCREASE WHEN I DON'T LIVE ANYWHERE NEAR A CREEK? PLEASE UNDERSTAND, MR. AND MRS. CITIZEN, YOU DO CONTRIBUTE TO STORM WATER FROM YOUR YARD AND FROM YOUR STREETS AND FROM ET CETERA, AND IT HAS TO GO SOMEWHERE. 
          AND IN OUR CONVEYANCE SYSTEM, WE USE THE CREEKS FOR STORM WATER, AND IT'S, IT'S PART OF THE CITY. 
          IF, IF WE'RE GONNA BE A CITY OF EXCELLENCE AND WE'RE GONNA BE A COMMUNITY, WE ALL HAVE TO CONTRIBUTE OUR PART TO HELP MITIGATE THIS BECAUSE IT'S ONLY GONNA GET WORSE. 
          AND, UH, WATER ONLY HAS ONE WAY TO GO DOWNHILL AND IT'S HARD TO, HARD TO STOP. 
          SO WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO LOOK AT THAT AND REALLY BE COGNIZANT THAT THIS IS A COMMUNITY WIDE PROBLEM. 
          SO I JUST WANT TO JUST BRING THAT TO EVERYONE'S ATTENTION. 
          THANK YOU. 
          SO MAYOR AND COUNCIL, WE WILL BRING BACK, UM, ON THE ACQUISITION SIDE OF THINGS, UH, THE EASEMENT OPTION WITH A BACKUP OF EITHER WALKING AWAY OR OTHER ACTION IMMINENT DOMAIN AT, AT THE, THE LAST, YOU KNOW, WE'LL, WE'LL LOOK AT THAT. 
          SECOND THING IS WE'LL LOOK AT FLAT FEE PARTICIPATION. 
          WE'LL BRING BACK SOME COST NUMBERS ALONG THOSE LINES. 
          WE WILL TAKE A SECOND LOOK AT THE EVALUATION OF CRITERIA AS WHERE, AS FAR AS WHERE WE DREW THE LINE AND WHAT MIGHT BE A GOOD RANGE FOR US TO TALK ABOUT INTERVENTION NOW ON THE MAINTENANCE SIDE OF THINGS. 
          AND WE WILL BRING BACK A, A, A POTENTIAL, UM, BUDGET FOR, UH, INTERVENTION ON MAINTENANCE OVER THE, UH, AN ANNUAL, UH, NUMBER TO BRING BACK. 
          SO WE'LL BRING ALL OF THOSE BACK, UM, AS PART OF THAT DISCUSSION. 
          DOES THAT SOUND CORRECT? YEP. 
          AND NO HOMESTEADED VERSUS HOMESTEADED VERSUS NOT. 
          WE WILL DO THAT WORK ON THAT ON THE 10 SPECIFICALLY THAT, THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT. 
          BUT IF THAT'S THE GUIDANCE THAT COUNCIL HAS, UM, UH, AS FAR AS, UH, PARTICIPATION, UM, THAT'S STUFF SHE CAN PROVIDE ADDITIONAL CLARIFICATION ON AT THAT TIME AS WELL. 
          ALRIGHT. 
          ALRIGHT. 
          THANK YOU CALEB. 
          THANK YOU. 
          APPRECIATE IT. 
          ALRIGHT. 
          THANKS FOR, UH, INDULGING US, UH, IN THESE, UH, ISSUES. 
          I THINK WE'LL BE ABLE TO GET, UH, THROUGH THIS BUDGET, UH, SEASON, UH, MORE EFFICIENTLY KNOWING SOME OF THE ISSUES THAT WE'RE, UH, NEEDING TO ASK QUESTIONS ABOUT AND, UH, AND AT, AT THE END RESULT, UH, BEING ABLE TO PASS A BUDGET THAT, UH, CONTINUES TO MAKE THE CITY OF EXCELLENCE ONE THAT WE ARE ALL PROUD OF. 
          SO WITH THAT BEING SAID, THERE BEING NO FURTHER BUSINESS MEETING'S ADJOURNED.
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