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THAT ALL COUNCIL MEMBERS ARE PRESENT.
[Executive Session ]
THE COUNCIL AND PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION WILL NOW RECESS INTO EXECUTIVE SESSION TO HOLD A CLOSED EXECUTIVE MEETING PURSUANT TO THE PROVISIONS OF VERNON'S TEXAS CODES ANNOTATED GOVERNMENT CODE, CHAPTER 551. THE OPEN MEETINGS ACT, IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE AUTHORITY CONTAINED IN SECTION FIVE, 51071, TO CONSULT WITH THE ATTORNEY TO RECEIVE LEGAL ADVICE AND DISCUSS LITIGATION.SECTION 5 5171 TO CONSULT WITH THE ATTORNEY TO RECEIVE LEGAL ADVICE.
AND I'M REPEATING MYSELF. THAT'S OKAY. AND RESPOND TO QUESTIONS AND RECEIVE LEGAL ADVICE ON AGENDA ITEMS. OH, SO I'M DONE? OKAY. WE DON'T DO THIS VERY OFTEN.
OKAY. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. I NOW DECLARE THAT THE PLANO CITY COUNCIL JOINT SESSION WITH THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION IS RECONVENED IN OPEN SESSION, THAT ALL COUNCIL MEMBERS ARE PRESENT. AND I NOW DECLARE THAT THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION JOINT SESSION WITH THE PLANO CITY COUNCIL IS RECONVENED IN OPEN SESSION, AND THAT ALL COMMISSION MEMBERS ARE PRESENT. ALL RIGHT.
[I. Discussion and direction on changes to zoning, subdivision, fees, building codes, and related proposed regulatory changes.]
WE'LL MOVE ON TO ITEM 1. THIS IS REGARDING DISCUSSION AND DIRECTION ON CHANGES TO ZONING, SUBDIVISION FEES, BUILDING CODES, AND RELATED PROPOSED REGULATORY CHANGES.ALL RIGHT. GOOD AFTERNOON, COUNCIL AND COMMISSIONERS.
MISS DAY. DO YOU HAVE SOMETHING ELSE THAT YOU NEED TO SAY? I DO. ALL RIGHT. I DO. I HAVE ONE SPEAKER ON THIS PARTICULAR PRELIMINARY MEETING, AND IF I COULD GO AHEAD AND GET THAT SPEAKER DONE, THEN WE CAN GO IN THE PRESENTATION.
OKAY. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. OUR SPEAKER THIS AFTERNOON IS BILL LISLE.
SO I THINK I NEED TO READ ITEM 82, RIGHT? SO THE PRESENTATION DISCUSSION REGARDING SENATE BILL 840 AND SENATE BILL 15 AND SENATE BILL 2477, INCLUDING THE NEW TEXAS STATUTORY LIMITATIONS ON CITY REGULATION OF MULTIFAMILY AND SINGLE-FAMILY DEVELOPMENT.
WELCOME. ALL RIGHT. WITH THAT, I WILL GET STARTED ON MY PRESENTATION.
I'M CHRISTINA DAY, THE DIRECTOR OF PLANNING. HERE TO INTRODUCE YOU TO THIS TOPIC.
THEN I'LL REVIEW THE QUESTIONS THAT WERE IN THE PACKET, GO THROUGH THAT.
AFTER WHICH THEN I'VE TEED UP THE QUESTIONS AGAIN FOR EASE OF DISCUSSION.
IT DOES ALLOW THAT IN CERTAIN AREAS THAT ARE FAIRLY LIMITED, THERE'S A MAP THAT WAS PROVIDED IN THE BACKUP MATERIALS THAT SHOWS YOU IT HAS TO BE FIVE ACRES OR MORE UNPLATTED. SO AGAIN, DOESN'T APPLY TO A LARGE PERCENTAGE OF THE CITY, BUT IT WILL BE IMPACTFUL TO THOSE PLACES THAT IT DOES APPLY.
SENATE BILL 840 ALLOWS MULTIFAMILY ALSO MIXED USE DEVELOPMENT IN ALL THE NONRESIDENTIAL ZONING DISTRICTS IN THE CITY, BY RIGHT. SO THIS IS A BIG CHANGE TO OUR LAND USE PATTERN.
IT ALSO DISCUSSES CONVERSION OF NONRESIDENTIAL BUILDINGS TO MULTIFAMILY OR MIXED USE.
THERE WAS A COMPANION SENATE BILL 2477 THAT ADDS SOME RESTRICTIONS, BUT BECAUSE THOSE AREN'T REALLY RELATED TO SOME OF THE DISCUSSION TODAY, YOU WON'T HEAR MORE ABOUT THAT, BUT WE JUST WANTED TO ANNOUNCE THAT WE DID READ THROUGH THAT AND WE'LL ADAPT IT IN THE ORDINANCE AS NEEDED WHEN THAT'S PRESENTED TO THE COMMISSION
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ON AUGUST 6TH. SO A COUPLE OF THINGS TO NOTE ABOUT THESE BILLS.SO THAT IS SOMETHING THAT'S A LITTLE UNUSUAL ABOUT THIS LEGISLATION.
SO WE'VE MAPPED THAT FOR YOU. SO YOU CAN SEE A REAL CLUSTER OF COMMUNITIES THAT ARE IMPACTED BY THIS IN THE NORTH TEXAS AREA WITH SOME NEIGHBORING COMMUNITIES HERE BEING FRISCO, MCKINNEY, GARLAND THAT ARE IN PROXIMITY TO PLANO. SO WHAT'S THE TIMELINE ON THIS? THE COMMISSION HELD A WORK SESSION ON THE 21ST.
YOU HAVE THE RESULTS OF THAT IN YOUR PACKET. WE'RE HOLDING THIS JOINT WORK SESSION TODAY TO GET ADDITIONAL FEEDBACK, SO THAT WE CAN TURN AROUND PRETTY QUICKLY THIS WEEK AND PREPARE ORDINANCES FOR THE CONSIDERATION AT A SPECIAL CALLED MEETING ON AUGUST 6TH.
THE COMMISSION WILL BE DISCUSSING THE CIP PROGRAM AT THEIR AUGUST 4TH MEETING.
THEN THAT WILL BE SCHEDULED IF IT MOVES OUT OF COMMISSION ON AUGUST 6TH TO THE COUNCIL MEETING ON AUGUST 25TH IN ADVANCE OF THE SEPTEMBER 1ST BILL EFFECTIVE DATES. SO I KNOW THAT I GET A LOT OF INTEREST FROM THE COUNCIL TRADITIONALLY ON OUTREACH, SO WE WANTED TO MAKE SURE WE POINTED OUT THE TYPE OF OUTREACH WE'RE DOING BECAUSE THESE ARE SUCH SIGNIFICANT CHANGES TO THE COMMUNITY.
SO WE'VE SENT EMAIL, WEBSITES, SOCIAL MEDIA. WE'VE BEEN WORKING WITH THE COMMUNICATIONS TEAM TO MAKE SURE THAT WE ARE REALLY WORKING TO GET THE WORD OUT SO PEOPLE HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO PARTICIPATE IN THIS PROCESS. ALL RIGHT.
SECONDLY, TO PRESERVE OUR NEIGHBORHOOD COMPATIBILITY INTEGRITY.
THIRD, TO ENSURE ADEQUATE INFRASTRUCTURE WITH THE INTENSITY OF NEW DEVELOPMENT THAT'S ALLOWED.
AND FINALLY, TO CONTINUE TO REQUIRE WELL-BUILT DEVELOPMENT IN THE COMMUNITY.
SO INITIALLY, SENATE BILL 15. THESE ARE THE PARCELS IMPACTED, I MENTIONED THIS MAP EARLIER.
THE GRAY PARCELS ARE OWNED BY THE CITY. SO WHILE THE CITY COULD POTENTIALLY SELL SOME OF THOSE FOR DEVELOPMENT, WE FEEL LIKE MOST OF THOSE ARE PARKS AND THEY'RE UNLIKELY TO BE DEVELOPED AT ANY POINT IN TIME.
WE ARE PLANNING TO CREATE A USE SPECIFIC STANDARD FOR SMALL LOT SINGLE FAMILY THAT WOULD ALIGN WITH THE BILL AND THAT WOULD ALLOW PROPERTIES THAT MEET THAT THRESHOLD TO DEVELOP UNDER THIS OPTION THAT'S BEEN AUTHORIZED BY THE LEGISLATURE AT THE TIME OF PLATTING.
SO WE'VE LOOKED AT ALLEYS, REQUIRING ALLEYS FOR LOTS THAT ARE 50FT WIDE OR LESS.
AND THEN REQUIRING NOTATION ON THE PLAT THAT NOTES THEY'RE DEVELOPING UNDER THESE STANDARDS, SINCE THE ZONING WOULDN'T CHANGE BECAUSE WE HAVE TO HAVE AN ADMINISTRATIVE APPROVAL PROCESS, WE CAN'T DO ANYTHING LEGISLATIVE. SO MOVING ON TO SENATE BILL 840.
THESE ARE THE AREAS OF THE CITY THAT ARE IMPACTED.
THIS IS 30% OF THE CITY'S LAND AREA. SO THAT'S WHY WE BELIEVE THIS HAS A SIGNIFICANT LONG TERM IMPACT ON THE COMMUNITY'S DEVELOPMENT. YOU SEE, WE'VE ADDED 1000 FOOT BUFFER AREA AROUND THOSE PARCELS THAT COMPLY WITH THE DEFINITION OF HEAVY INDUSTRIAL USE THAT IS ESTABLISHED UNDER THE BILL. ALSO, THERE IS A 3000 FOOT BUFFER AROUND AIR PARK-DALLAS THAT WE HAVE INCORPORATED, BUT OTHER AREAS WE'VE SEPARATED HERE INTO A 45 FOOT HEIGHT LIMIT.
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THAT'S THE MINIMUM ALLOWED UNDER THE BILL. AND THEN THOSE THAT WOULD HAVE A HIGHER HEIGHT LIMIT BASED ON THE EXISTING ZONING.SO WHAT CAN WE REGULATE OR WHAT CAN'T WE REGULATE? THE BILL IMPACTS THE WAY WE LOOK AT DENSITY. WE SOME OF THESE THINGS ARE CITYWIDE AND SOME OF THESE THINGS ARE ON THE INDIVIDUAL SITE.
SO THAT'S WHY I LOVE THIS TABLE AS A REFERENCE, BECAUSE IT'S KIND OF HARD TO KEEP STRAIGHT.
SO DENSITY IS ABOUT THE CITY. SO WE'RE LOOKING CITYWIDE.
WHATEVER THE HIGHEST DENSITY IS ANYWHERE IN PLANO IS WHAT'S ALLOWED.
SO IN OUR DOWNTOWN AREA, IN THE LEGACY MIXED USE AREA.
MAXIMUM HEIGHT IS THE HIGHEST HEIGHT THAT WOULD APPLY TO ANY BUILDING ON THAT SITE.
SO THAT'S WHY YOU HAVE TO LOOK AT THE SITE SPECIFIC REGULATIONS, OR 45FT, AND YOU'LL SEE THERE'S SOME ADJUSTMENTS TO CERTAIN ZONING DISTRICTS BASED ON THIS STANDARD. THE SETBACK AGAIN, THE SAME SETBACK THAT WOULD APPLY TO OTHER USES ON THE SITE OR 25FT, WHICH AGAIN, WE HAVE SOME LANDSCAPE EDGES THAT ARE DISTRICTS THAT ARE UNDER OVERLAYS THAT ARE 30FT.
SO THIS WILL BE AGAIN A MEANINGFUL CHANGE TO MANY LOCATIONS.
STANDARD COMMERCIAL SETBACK IS 50FT IN THE CITY.
AGAIN, FOR MULTIFAMILY, THIS ISN'T THAT BIG OF A CHANGE FOR THE ONE SPACE PER DWELLING UNIT.
BUT AGAIN, STILL, OVERALL A MEANINGFUL CHANGE.
SO OUR SIGNIFICANT INTEREST IN THIS ONE IS HOW DO WE MEET THE OPEN SPACE STANDARDS THAT PEOPLE NEED FOR A GOOD QUALITY OF LIFE, CONSISTENT WITH THE WAY THE COMMUNITY HAS DEVELOPED AND OUR COMMUNITY STANDARDS.
AND FINALLY, AGAIN, WE HAVE TO APPROVE EVERYTHING ADMINISTRATIVELY.
SO IN RESPONSE, AGAIN, FIRST PRIORITY BRING THINGS INTO COMPLIANCE WITH THE LAW.
WE'RE LOOKING AT REGULATING DENSITY THROUGH MINIMUM HEIGHTS, MAXIMUM HEIGHTS, AND MINIMUM DWELLING UNIT SIZES, RATHER THAN ESTABLISHING A CITYWIDE DENSITY BECAUSE WE DIDN'T THINK THAT WOULD WORK.
THERE'S JUST TOO MUCH VARIETY IN OUR LAND USE PATTERN.
AND THEN A FINAL NOTE IS LOOKING AT REQUIRING NOTICING AND SIGNAGE FOR DEVELOPMENT.
UNDER THE BILL, WE KNOW THE COMMUNITY HAS EXPRESSED INTEREST TO BOTH OF THE BOARD AND THE AND THE COUNCIL WHEN THERE IS UNEXPECTED DEVELOPMENT THAT OCCURS IN THEIR AREA.
AND SO JUST COMMUNICATING THAT UP FRONT SO THEY KNOW THAT THE CITY CANNOT CHANGE OR MEET THEIR NEEDS IF THEY'RE CONCERNED, AND DIRECTING THEM TO THE CORRECT INDIVIDUALS.
FIRST, THESE ARE THE CHANGES THAT THE COMMISSION FOUND ACCEPTABLE AND RECOMMENDED ESTABLISHING NEW HEIGHT MAXIMUM AND MINIMUMS, ENHANCED LANDSCAPING, REMOVING MULTIFAMILIES, AND ALLOWED USE IN THE RESIDENTIAL COMMUNITY DESIGN ZONING DISTRICT, ENSURING ADEQUATE INFRASTRUCTURE CAPACITY AND ENHANCING OUR ABILITY TO CONTROL FUNDING, AS WELL AS ESTABLISHING THE MINIMUM UNIT SIZES.
SO WE WANTED TO PROVIDE THIS TO THESE BODIES AND TO THE COMMUNITY.
SO THE IMPACT IS GETTING MORE REFINED. AND PEOPLE CAN SEE A LITTLE BIT MORE ABOUT THE CHANGES THAT MIGHT HAPPEN UNDER THE LAW AND AS PROPOSED WITH OUR ORDINANCE AMENDMENTS.
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THEN WE HAVE ONE ITEM THAT WAS NOT RECOMMENDED, THAT WAS USING CARPORTS TO COVER PARKING.SO UNLESS THERE'S A CHANGE TONIGHT, WE WILL NOT BE INCLUDING THAT IN THE ORDINANCE MOVING FORWARD.
THEN THERE WERE SIX ITEMS, I BELIEVE, THAT HAD A NUMBER OF CHANGES OR NEEDED MORE DISCUSSION.
SO I'LL RUN THROUGH THOSE AS JUST BRIEFLY TO KIND OF LAY OUT SOME OF THE DECISION POINTS.
SO WHEN WE ADOPT ZONING, WE REQUIRE NOTICE WHEN WE ADOPT NEW CODES.
THERE'S ALSO A 30 DAY DELAY IN THEIR EFFECTIVENESS UNDER THE LAW.
SO WHILE THE INTERNATIONAL CODE'S GREEN BUILDING PROVISIONS ARE A POSSIBILITY, THOSE WON'T BE ADOPTED BY SEPTEMBER 1ST. SO AN OPTION WE THOUGHT WAS TO USE LEED CERTIFICATION, WHICH IS THE BASELINE THEY HAVE FOR LEVELS OF SILVER, GOLD AND PLATINUM ABOVE THE CERTIFICATION LEVEL.
SO THAT WOULD BE THE MINIMUM STANDARD FOR LEED.
WE COULD ADOPT A LEED CERTIFICATION AND THEN WAIT UNTIL FURTHER RECOMMENDATIONS COME OUT OF THE REWRITE ADVISORY COMMITTEE AND GO THROUGH BOTH OF THESE BODIES TO REFINE OUR FUTURE PLANS. WE COULD ADOPT NO CHANGES, NEITHER LEED NOR THE GREEN CODE.
AND THEN ANOTHER DECISION THAT WE NEED TO MAKE TONIGHT IS REALLY, DOES THIS APPLY TO ALL BUILDINGS OR ONLY THE BUILDINGS THAT ARE ALLOWED UNDER SB 840? SO THE SECOND ITEM ON DESIGN STANDARDS, THE BUILDING OFFICIAL IS HERE TO TALK A LITTLE BIT MORE ABOUT LEED.
AND THEN I'LL COME BACK AND DISCUSS MORE ABOUT THE HEIGHT VARIATIONS FOR DEVELOPMENT.
SO WITH THAT, I WILL TURN IT OVER TO THE CHIEF BUILDING OFFICIAL, SELSO MATA.
GOOD AFTERNOON, COUNCIL AND COMMISSION. SELSO MATA, BUILDING OFFICIAL.
SO A LOT OF THAT WAS RESEARCH ON MY PART. AS YOU KNOW, PLANO ENFORCES NEITHER ONE.
SO LOOKING AT SOME OF THE PROS AND CONS, OF COURSE, LEED HAS AN ESTABLISHED BRAND MARKETABILITY.
IT'S GLOBALLY RECOGNIZED, AND IT'S BEEN IN PLACE FOR OVER 25 YEARS.
THERE'S A FLEXIBLE CREDIT SYSTEM THAT ALLOWS DEVELOPERS TO TAILOR LEED TOWARDS THEIR BUILDING GOALS.
MAINTENANCE IS STILL INCLUDED IN LEED. THERE ARE ALSO CERTIFICATION LEVELS.
SEVERAL CERTIFICATION LEVELS IN LEED, THERE IS A CERTIFIED SILVER, GOLD AND PLATINUM IN EACH LEVEL, RISING HIGHER AS YOU DEVELOP YOUR CERTIFICATION LEVELS AND ENHANCE YOUR BUILDING ARE SUPPORTED BY THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN THAT WAS ADDED AS A PRO. CERTAINLY A LIMITATION ARE THE COSTS. LEED IS EXPENSIVE AS I UNDERSTAND.
IT'S A VOLUNTARY PROCESS, BUT IF WE ADOPTED IT, IT WOULD NO LONGER BE VOLUNTARY.
THERE IS SOME CERTIFICATION REQUIREMENTS THAT IS EVALUATING THE ONGOING PERFORMANCE OF THE BUILDING.
AND SO THAT CAN OR CANNOT BE DONE. AND THE DOCUMENTATION.
THERE'S A LOT OF DOCUMENTATION REQUIRED FOR LEED AS I UNDERSTAND IT.
THE GREEN CONSTRUCTION CODE. WELL, IF ADOPTED, LEGALLY ENFORCEABLE.
AND IT IS A MEMBER OF THE INTERNATIONAL CODE COUNCIL FAMILY.
SO EVERYTHING WOULD BE INTEGRATED WITH THE CODES.
CERTAINLY A PUBLIC HEALTH FOCUS, AS IT DOES ALIGN WITH LOOKING AT THE REVIEW OF THE HEALTH AND WATER QUALITY ASPECTS AND ENVIRONMENTAL REQUIREMENTS FOR BUILDING. IT IS PRESCRIPTIVE AND PERFORMANCE.
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BASICALLY YOU DO WHAT THE CODE SAYS. AND THEN PERFORMANCE WOULD BE, YOU WOULD STILL DO CERTAIN PARTS OF WHAT THE CODE SAID, AND THEN YOU WOULD EXCEED THEM AND MODEL WHAT YOU HAVE AS A BUILDING ON A COMPUTER BASED PROGRAM, WHICH WOULD EVALUATE YOUR BUILDING FOR COMPLIANCE.SUPPORTED BY COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AGAIN. LIMITATIONS ON THE GREEN CODE IS LIMITED AWARENESS, ESPECIALLY IN OUR AREA IN THE DFW AREA. THERE ARE NO INCENTIVES.
STAFF INEXPERIENCE. OBVIOUSLY WE ARE NOT EXPERIENCED WITH THE GREEN CONSTRUCTION CODE.
JURISDICTIONAL VARIABILITY, MEANING THAT WE DON'T HAVE ANY CITIES IN THE AREA EXCEPT FOR DALLAS, WHICH I LEARNED HAS HAD IT IN PLACE SINCE 2012.
AND WE DO VIEW OUR CODES THROUGH COG. IT IS NOT REVIEWED THROUGH COG.
I DON'T KNOW IF THERE'S ANY QUESTIONS. I THINK THE BUILDING OFFICIAL WILL STILL BE HERE AS WE GET INTO THE DISCUSSION SESSION, IF YOU HAVE MORE QUESTIONS FOR HIM.
SO THE COMMISSION ASKED US TO LOOK AT HOW WE COULD MITIGATE IN ANY WAY THE KIND OF IMPACT FOR RESIDENTIAL ADJACENCY, ESSENTIALLY, BECAUSE THESE HEIGHT STANDARDS ARE SO DIFFERENT THAN WHAT WE HAVE TODAY.
AND SO WE DO HAVE A HEIGHT RELATED RESTRICTION, MAYBE IRONICALLY, IN OUR YARD REGULATIONS.
EVERYONE'S LOOKING FOR IT UNDER OUR HEIGHT STANDARDS IN 600, BUT IT'S LIVING IN 500.
AND SO WE THOUGHT, HEY, THIS IS A RATIONAL THING TO MOVE INTO THE HEIGHT STANDARDS.
IT'S FORMULATED RIGHT NOW. THE FORMULA TALKS TOWARD YARDS.
BUT IF WE REWORK IT TO ADAPT IT TO HEIGHT AND SPEAK TO HEIGHT, WHICH IT IS EFFECTIVELY REGULATING, WE COULD UTILIZE THIS STANDARD THAT WE FEEL LIKE AND COMPLY WITH THE LAW.
SO WE GAVE YOU A COUPLE OF KIND OF EXAMPLES HERE OF WHAT THAT IMPACT MIGHT BE.
AND WE CHOSE THE STANDARDS OF THOSE MINIMUM HEIGHTS THAT WE'VE PROPOSED.
OF THE 45FT BEING CONSISTENT WITH THE LAW, 75FT AS A STANDARD FOR CERTAIN ZONING DISTRICTS AND 120 FOR OTHERS TO SHOW YOU THE IMPACT IT WOULD HAVE IN THOSE AREAS. SO WHERE THERE IS A ZERO ON THE MY LEFT, I GUESS YOU'RE LEFT AS WELL.
THERE IS A 25 FOOT WHERE THERE'S A 25 FOOT SETBACK, WHICH IS THE MAXIMUM ALLOWED.
YOU CAN SEE THAT WOULD BE 45FT HIGH. AND THEN AS YOU GET GET BACK TO 85FT, YOU CAN BUILD A 75 FOOT BUILDING AND 175, YOU CAN GO UP TO THE 120 FOOT BUILDING. THEN WHERE THERE'S A ZERO SETBACK, YOU CAN SEE THAT IT'S LESS IMPACTFUL 45FT. AT THE PROPERTY LINE, 60FT BACK, YOU CAN GO UP TO 75FT AND 150FT BACK.
THINGS LIKE URBAN MIXED USE DISTRICTS, DOWNTOWN DEVELOPMENT WOULD NOT HAVE THESE SETBACKS.
THEY'RE EXEMPT BECAUSE OF THE NATURE OF THE DEVELOPMENT THERE.
SO, SECOND ITEM EXPRESSWAY CORRIDOR OVERLAY. WE'VE SUMMARIZED FOR YOU WHAT WE THINK.
THERE WAS A LOT OF DISCUSSION WITH THE COMMISSION ON THIS ITEM.
AND SO WE HOPE WE GOT IT RIGHT. BUT ALSO WE'RE LOOKING FOR FEEDBACK AS TO REMOVING THE STANDARDS THAT CAN NO LONGER BE REQUIRED, PROHIBITING BALCONIES FACING EXPRESSWAYS, REQUIRING 15 FOOT LANDSCAPED EDGE ON PROPERTY LINES CLOSEST TO EXPRESSWAYS WITHIN THE OVERLAY DISTRICT, AND THEN MAINTAINING THESE STANDARDS FOR INSTITUTIONAL, MULTIFAMILY AND MIXED USE DWELLINGS FOR FILTRATION, AIR QUALITY AND NOISE. SO THE THIRD TOPIC IS ABOUT SINGLE FAMILY USES IN NON RESIDENTIAL DISTRICTS.
AGAIN A LOT OF DISCUSSION ON THIS TOPIC AND WE CAME AWAY WITH THERE IS INTEREST IN LOOKING AT OUR TIER TWO WHICH IS THE MORE INTENSE HOUSING IN OUR RESIDENTIAL COMMUNITY DESIGN DISTRICT, AND HOW THAT MIGHT BE APPLIED TO AS AN ALTERNATIVE TO MULTIFAMILY IN THE COMMERCIAL AREAS.
SIGNAGE. WE HAD SOME GOOD DISCUSSION ABOUT SIGN.
WE TOOK THAT FEEDBACK AND HAVE TRIED TO MAKE THESE SIGNS LOOK MORE DIFFERENT.
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IF THE SIGNS JUST ADDRESS 840, WE HAVE A MULTIFAMILY COMMENT.STAFF ACTUALLY PREFERS THE BROADER NOTICE ADDRESSING BOTH SB 840 AND SB 15 BECAUSE OF THE IMPACT OF THE COMMUNITY AND THE CHANGE THAT AGAIN, THEY'RE NOT ANTICIPATING, SO THAT MORE BROAD HOUSING CONSTRUCTED ON THIS SITE IS AUTHORIZED UNDER THE LAWS OF THE STATE OF TEXAS. THEN, THE FIFTH ITEM IS SIMILARLY ABOUT TRANSPARENCY, SENDING NOTICES.
THE IDEA IS WITHIN 500FT. THAT'S ALREADY A DEVELOPED PROCESS WE'VE GOT FOR ZONING.
SO THAT'S, AGAIN, A PROCESS THAT WE DON'T HAVE TO DEVELOP.
THE IDEA HERE IS THAT WE WOULD SEND THESE FOR THE FORESEEABLE FUTURE UNTIL THE COMMUNITY ADAPTED TO UNDERSTANDING, AND THEN WE WOULD SUNSET THIS PROCESS WHEN IT WAS NO LONGER NECESSARY.
THEN FINALLY, WE HAVE STREET AND OFF-STREET PARKING STANDARDS.
SO WE'VE GIVEN YOU A CLIP HERE TO SHOW YOU, THERE IS DESIGNATED ON STREET PARKING, STREET TREES, WIDER SIDEWALKS. BECAUSE OF THE INTENSITY OF THE DEVELOPMENT, IT'S GOT THAT MORE URBAN STREET SECTION THAT PROVIDES ON-STREET PARKING AND MORE WALKABILITY. SO THAT, WE HOPE, ADDRESSES THE CONCERNS THAT THE COMMISSION EXPRESSED AS WELL AS OFF-STREET PARKING ON SITE, WHICH WE WILL LOOK AT ADDING DIMENSIONS, SETBACK AND SURFACE TO MAKE SURE THOSE ARE ALL MET. IF THEY'RE NOT CLEAR IN THE CURRENT ORDINANCE, WE'RE GOING TO DOUBLE CHECK AND MAKE SURE THOSE ARE REQUIRED.
SO AGAIN, WE WILL BE PREPARING AN ORDINANCE BASED ON YOUR FEEDBACK TODAY TO BRING BACK TO THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION ON WEDNESDAY, AUGUST 6TH. WE'VE ALREADY HAD OUR PUBLIC COMMENTS.
AND SO NOW I WILL TURN IT BACK TO THE MAYOR FOR DISCUSSION OF THESE ITEMS. OKAY, SO PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION AND CITY COUNCIL, THESE ARE RECOMMENDATIONS THAT THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION HAS WORKED THROUGH LAST WEEK.
THIS IS PROBABLY THE FIRST TIME COUNCIL HAS SEEN THESE RECOMMENDATIONS IN PERSON.
SO IF THERE'S ANY QUESTIONS REGARDING THE RECOMMENDATIONS, THIS IS YOUR TIME.
I'VE TEED THEM UP TO WHERE WE HAVE EACH OF THE SLIDES THAT I PRESENTED TO YOU.
ALRIGHT. THAT'S HELPFUL TO DIGESTIBLE PIECES. OKAY. THERE YOU GO. COUNCIL MEMBER HORNE.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH. REALLY I GOT TWO POINTS I WANT TO ADDRESS.
ONE HAS TO DEAL WITH THE LEED CERTIFICATION ON THE BUILDINGS.
THANK YOU, MR. MATA, FOR THE PRESENTATION ON THAT.
THE WHOLE PURPOSE OF THE LEED REALLY WAS TO IMPROVE THE SUSTAINABILITY OF BUILDINGS, YOU KNOW, AND MAKE SURE THAT THEY MANAGE WASTE WHEN THEY DO THE CONSTRUCTION, BUT ALSO LOOK AT ENERGY, WEATHER AND WATER CONSERVATION OF THOSE. THE LOWEST LEVEL THAT I THINK YOU CAN ACHIEVE IS LEED CERTIFIED, CORRECT? AND THE HARDEST PART OF THAT OUTSIDE OF THE DESIGN ELEMENT, AS YOU SAID EARLIER, IS THE DOCUMENTATION TRACKING. IT TAKES A LOT OF PAPERWORK AND A TYPICAL COMMERCIAL CONTRACTOR, HE DOESN'T HAVE THAT PERSON ON SITE TO RECORD THAT.
YOU'LL SEE IT IN A LOT OF THE MUNICIPAL CONSTRUCTION.
YOU'LL SEE IT A LOT IN FEDERAL CONSTRUCTION. BUT ON THE COMMERCIAL SIDE, UNLESS THEY REALLY ARE TRYING TO GET THAT LEED CERTIFICATION AND FULLY UNDERSTAND THE REQUIREMENT FOR THAT. I THINK THAT IT'S SOMETHING THAT'S DOABLE.
AGAIN, IT'S IN MY OPINION, AND I THINK WE NEED TO STILL LOOK AT OUR NEW CONSTRUCTION AND OR CONVERSION AND MAINTAIN THE FACT THAT WE, YOU KNOW, WE'RE GOING TO GET 320,000 PEOPLE IN PLANO FAIRLY QUICKLY.
COLLIN COUNTY IS GROWING BY WHAT, ONE PERSON EVERY THREE SECONDS.
WE NEED TO BE MORE CONSCIOUS OF ENERGY EFFICIENCY, WATER EFFICIENCY AND SUSTAINABILITY.
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SO MY POSITION IS THAT WE NEED TO LOOK AT WHAT WE CAN TO MAKE SURE THAT WE.THE SECOND POINT I WANT TO BRING UP IS THE BALCONY ON EXPRESSWAY CORRIDOR.
OF COURSE, YOU KNOW, FROM LONG TIME WE DIDN'T WANT TO HAVE ANY CONSTRUCTION IN THE EXPRESSWAY OVERLAY DISTRICT FOR RESIDENTIAL PROPERTY. BUT I DON'T THINK IT'S UP TO US TO TELL A DEVELOPER ON HOW TO DESIGN AND CONSTRUCT THIS BUILDING.
IF HE WANTS TO PUT A BUILDING AND HAVE A BALCONY THAT'S OVERLOOKING NORTH DALLAS TOLLWAY OR 75. WHO ARE WE TO PRESENT TO TELL HIM NOT TO DO THAT? GRANTED, ON THE BUILDINGS THEMSELVES, WHERE A PERSON WAS GOING TO SPEND A SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF TIME.
INDOORS, YES, ON A PUBLIC HEALTH PERSPECTIVE, WE CAN DO THAT.
BUT YOU WILL SEE THAT MOST PEOPLE DO NOT SPEND AN EXTRAORDINARY AMOUNT OF TIME ON THEIR BALCONIES.
THEY WON'T BE OUT THERE FACING WEST AT 1:00 IN THE AFTERNOON.
I DON'T THINK THAT'S PART OF WHAT A CITY SHOULD BE ABLE TO DO.
BUT AGAIN, FROM THE INTERNAL PERSPECTIVE, WITH THE PROPER MERV, THE STC RATINGS FOR NOISE ABATEMENT, I THINK YES, INDEED, THOSE ARE THE THINGS THAT WE SHOULD BE CONCERNED ABOUT.
MR. MAYOR, THOSE WERE MY OPINIONS. THANK YOU.
CHAIR, DID YOU HAVE? I JUST HAD ONE COMMENT, IF YOU WOULDN'T MIND JUST A SECOND.
FIRST OF ALL, THANKS TO THE STAFF. VERY GREAT NOTES.
LOOKS LIKE YOU'VE INCORPORATED ALL BUT ONE ITEM I THINK WE'RE MISSING.
SO I'M GOING TO TELL YOU FROM A PERSONAL PERSPECTIVE.
THE TYPE G ADOPTION FOR THE SMALL RESIDENTIAL.
THAT'S THE PERFECT SOLUTION. WE TALKED ABOUT THAT THE OTHER NIGHT, SO THANK YOU. THE ONE I THINK WE MISSED WAS, WE TALKED ABOUT, GIVEN THAT WE ONLY HAVE A ONE PARKING SPACE REQUIREMENT NOW FOR MULTIFAMILY, THAT THAT COULD NOT BE COMPACT. IT HAD TO BE FULL SIZE PARKING SPACE.
YOU'RE CORRECT. WE WILL NOTE THAT. THANK YOU.
THAT WAS. MY COMMISSIONERS MAY HAVE SOME OTHER ONES, BUT THOSE WERE THE ONLY ONES I NOTICED.
BUT THANK YOU. THE VERY THOROUGH JOB. MR. LINGENFELTER? SORRY, YES. ONE OF THE THINGS I WANTED TO ASK STAFF WAS, I AGREE THAT THE HIGHER DENSITY OF RESIDENTIAL TYPE UNITS DO EFFECTIVELY LOOK SIMILAR TO MULTIFAMILY AND STUFF.
MY CONCERN STILL GOES TO, IF WE OPEN IT TO A SINGLE FAMILY TYPE ZONING, WHAT DOES THAT DO TO US WITH AS FAR AS COMPOUNDING NOW SB 15 INTO THE MIX? WOULD THAT OPEN DOORS TO SB 15 NOW REGULATING THAT SAME TRACKED IF WE OPEN THAT UP? ONCE IT´S DEVELOPED, IT´S PLATTED, SB 15 WOULD NOT APPLY.
SO I DON'T THINK WE'RE AT RISK OF THAT HAPPENING.
SO ONE OF THE CONS IS TALKING ABOUT THE LEED, SOME OF THE REQUIREMENTS ACTUALLY IS IN VIOLATION OF THE CODE OR NOT MEETING OUR CODE OR BUILDING CODE.
SO MY QUESTION IS, IF WE HAVE TO MEET THE CODE, WOULD IT VIOLATE OR WOULD IT NEGATE OR AVOID THE CERTIFICATION IF WE WANT TO PUT LEED INTO OUR PROCESSING, ADOPT THE LEED CERTIFICATION, THEN ONCE WE ADOPT THAT IN ONE BUILDING, GET THE LEED CERTIFICATION BUT DOESN'T MEET THE CODE, WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN? LEED IS A SERIES OF POINTS.
SO THIS CERTIFICATION, THE KIND OF MINIMUM CERTIFICATION, WOULD BE SOMETHING WHERE IF IT DOESN'T MEET THE CODE, THEY WOULD HAVE TO JUST CHOOSE SOMETHING ELSE ON THE LIST. IT'S THE BOTTOM LINE WHERE THEY HAVE TO GET THOSE 40 POINTS.
THEY CLEARLY COULDN'T DO SOMETHING THAT MEETS THAT VIOLATES OUR BUILDING CODE, BUT I BELIEVE WE KNOW WE HAVE CERTIFIED BUILDINGS IN THE COMMUNITY, SO IT IS POSSIBLE TO MEET THE MINIMUM STANDARDS AND MEET OUR BUILDING CODES.
OKAY, THANK YOU. YOU'RE WELCOME. COUNCIL MEMBER QUINTANILLA.
THANK YOU, MAYOR. KIND OF ADDING ON TO THAT QUESTION.
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SLIDE 21 MENTIONED SOMETHING ABOUT CODES, BUT WHAT ARE.CAN YOU GO TO SLIDE 21 REAL QUICK, CHRISTINA? SURE. ABSOLUTELY. I DIDN'T WRITE THAT PART. SLIDE 21.
I JUST GOT THE SLIDE NUMBER. THAT'S OKAY.
THIS IS NOT ALWAYS ALIGNED WITH CODES. DO YOU HAPPEN TO KNOW SOME EXAMPLES OF THAT? WHAT SPECIFICALLY CODE IS LIKE SAFETY? UNDER THE CONS.
I THINK THAT THE COMMENT ON THE CONS OF NOT ALIGNED WITH CODES IS THAT LEED ISN'T ALWAYS.
AS WE ADOPT CODES EVERY THREE YEARS. RIGHT. THEY CHANGE.
AND I THINK LEED IS EVERY 5 TO 6 YEARS. SO THAT WOULD BE PART OF THAT NOT ALIGNED WITH CODES.
OKAY. SO IT'S NOT IN TUNE WITH EVERYTHING THAT'S WRITTEN EVERY THREE YEARS.
OKAY. THERE'S NOTHING REGARDING SAFETY. OH NO, NOT SAFETY.
AND THE GREEN AND LEED CODES ARE NOTHING ABOUT SAFETY, REALLY.
IT'S NOT A. THANK YOU FOR CONFIRMING THAT. THANK YOU.
COUNCILMEMBER KEHR. YES. THANK YOU. I'M JUST I'M THINKING ABOUT THE THE MINIMUM HEIGHT REQUIREMENTS.
ONE OF THE REASONS THAT OUR CITIZENS HAVE LOOKED TO THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN IS LESS APARTMENTS.
IF WE PUT A MINIMUM STANDARD IN, DOES THAT AUTOMATICALLY MEAN THAT THE DENSITY IS GOING TO BE HIGHER THAN PERHAPS OUR CITIZENS ARE EXPECTING? IT COULD DRIVE A MORE ABSOLUTELY MORE INTENSIVE PRODUCT, BUT NOT NECESSARILY.
I THINK IF YOU LOOK AT OUR OUR HEIGHT AND DENSITY EXAMPLES, WE LIKE TO LOOK AT LEVEL 29 AND LEGACY.
THAT'S RIGHT NEXT TO THE WIND ROSE TOWER. VERY DIFFERENT DENSITIES.
SAME HEIGHT BUILDING. SO IT'S BECAUSE ONE IS A CONDOMINIUM PRODUCT.
THE FLOOR PLATES ARE THE FOOTPRINTS OF THE UNITS ARE JUST MUCH LARGER.
AND SO I DON'T THINK IT'S NECESSARILY A CONCLUSION, BUT IT'S A LIKELY, IT'S LIKELY THAT IF YOU'RE HAVING TO BUILD A 120 FOOT BUILDING, THAT YOU ARE GOING TO HAVE A HIGHER DENSITY.
OKAY. THANK YOU. COMMISSIONER BRONSKY. YEAH. I HAVE A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS FOR THE BUILDING OFFICIAL AS IT RELATES TO THE RELATIONSHIP BETWEEN LEEDS AND THE GREEN CODE. SO UNDERSTANDING THAT THE LEEDS OFFERS US A GREAT DEAL MORE FLEXIBILITY, BUT THE GREEN CODES ARE MORE PRESCRIPTIVE. DO WE FEEL LIKE THE USAGE OF THE POINT SYSTEM VERSUS THE MINIMUM REQUIREMENTS? HOW WOULD THAT WHICH ONE WOULD BE A BETTER FROM A CITY PERSPECTIVE, AS WELL AS A DEVELOPMENTAL PERSPECTIVE OF GOING DOWN ONE ROAD AS OPPOSED TO THE OTHER? OKAY, I'M PROBABLY GOING TO SEND EVERYTHING IN A TAILSPIN BECAUSE I THOUGHT ABOUT THAT QUESTION. BUT WE WOULD LIKE YOUR RECOMMENDATIONS.
SO IT'S IT'S A BLEND. OKAY. AND WE'VE JUST BEEN TALKING.
LET'S GO THIS WAY. AND OR. EITHER OR. SO A BLEND WOULD BE TAKING SOME OF THE BEST CONCEPTS THAT WE CAN ENFORCE FROM THE GREEN CONSTRUCTION CODE RIGHT IN OUR OWN CODE.
BECAUSE IF YOU TAKE THE INTERNATIONAL GREEN CONSTRUCTION CODE, IT APPLIES TO EVERYTHING.
SO IF YOU ARE JUST GOING TO APPLY IT TO MULTIFAMILY, YOU'RE GOING TO TAKE THAT BOOK AND AMEND IT, EDIT THE HECK OUT OF IT SO THAT YOU GET IT BACK DOWN TO MULTIFAMILY.
WELL, IF YOU'RE GOING TO DO THAT, WHY DON'T YOU JUST WRITE YOUR OWN GREEN CODE? AND THEN ALONG WITH THAT, IF YOU WANT TO SAY OPTIONS, YOU CAN HAVE LEED AS AN OPTION, OKAY.
AND YOU CAN HAVE THE GREEN CONSTRUCTION CODE, WHICH WE COULD CREATE AS AN OPTION.
WHICH ONE ARE YOU GOING TO DO? THAT'S UP TO YOU.
I CALLED DALLAS AND ASKED THEM HOW THAT WAS GOING.
SINCE IT'S BEEN SINCE 2010, 2012, THEY'RE UNDER THE 2015 MEAN GREEN CONSTRUCTION CODE.
I THINK THEY'RE MOVING TO THE 2018. WE'RE UNDER THE 2024.
THAT TOLD ME A LOT ABOUT THE GREEN CONSTRUCTION CODE.
I'M NOT GOING TO SAY ANY MORE ABOUT THAT. I'M JUST GOING TO SAY THAT.
SO I THINK A BLEND IS IS A IS AN IDEA THAT, YOU KNOW, IF YOU WERE ASKING ME WHAT I WOULD DO, THAT'S WHAT I WOULD DO. BECAUSE IT WOULD HELP US WITH THE UNDERSTANDING OF WHICH WAY TO INCORPORATE THE BEST CONCEPTS AND HAVE THE BEST OF ALL WORLDS. SO WITH THE IDEA THAT THAT DIRECTION WILL WE WILL WE HAVE ENOUGH TIME TO GET THAT DONE BEFORE SEPTEMBER 1ST? NO, SIR. SO WHAT WOULD BE YOUR ADVICE FOR US AS WE MOVE THIS FORWARD PRIOR TO SEPTEMBER 1ST? I THINK WHAT THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT PROPOSES WOULD BE THE WAY TO MOVE FORWARD WOULD LEED, AND THEN AFTER SEPTEMBER 1ST,
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AND WE'D BE WORKING ON IT TO GET THAT BLEND. THERE'S ALSO BECAUSE THE HOUSE BILL 738 WE HAVE TO STAY 30 DAYS AFTER WE ADOPT IT FOR ITS EFFECTIVE DATE. SO WE STILL HAVE TO WAIT SOME TIME.WE'RE JUST THE TIMETABLE JUST DOESN'T WORK TO GET IT IN TIME BEFORE SEPTEMBER 1ST.
SURE. AND I'D JUST LIKE TO SAY THANK YOU TO YOU AND YOUR STAFF FOR ALL THE TIME AND EFFORT YOU GUYS HAVE PUT INTO THIS ESPECIALLY IN THE RUSHED AND CONDENSED TIME PERIODS WE HAVE. SO THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR. COMMISSIONER BROUNOFF. THANK YOU, MAYOR.
AND OF COURSE, I AGREE WITH EVERY ONE OF THOSE.
THERE'S, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE CERTAINLY APPROPRIATE.
I WOULD SUGGEST A FIFTH GOAL. OKAY. THE FIFTH GOAL IS TO PRESERVE THE DESIRABILITY AND ATTRACTIVENESS OF PLANO AS A PLACE WHERE PEOPLE CAN LIVE AND WORK.
PLANO DID NOT GET TO BE ONE OF THE MOST LIVABLE CITIES IN THE UNITED STATES BY BEING UGLY.
OKAY I UNDERSTAND THE STANDPOINT OF A DEVELOPER.
HE WANTS TO BUILD A PROJECT THAT IS ECONOMICALLY SUCCESSFUL AND VIABLE.
AND AND THAT'S WELL AND GOOD, AND THAT'S CERTAINLY UNDERSTANDABLE.
OUR PERSPECTIVE IS THE CITY AS A WHOLE. AND THEREFORE I THINK THERE IS A PLACE.
YOU CAN CERTAINLY GO TOO FAR WITH THAT, BUT NOT DOING ANY, I THINK, WOULD BE A MISTAKE.
I'LL JUST SAY THERE IS ONE OUT THERE THAT I HAVE IN MIND.
OKAY. WE DON'T WANT A LOT OF THAT, OKAY? DESIGN STANDARDS CAN GO, YOU KNOW, TO A CERTAIN POINT TO TRY TO MAKE THESE DEVELOPMENTS ATTRACTIVE AND STILL BE VIABLE FOR, YOU KNOW, THE DEVELOPERS THAT BUILD THEM.
SO I WOULD RECOMMEND, YOU KNOW, KEEPING SOME REASONABLE DESIGN STANDARDS.
FOR EXAMPLE FACADE ARTICULATION WOULD BE ONE A MIX.
I DON'T KNOW HOW HOW DETAILED WE WANT TO GET IN SPECIFYING WHAT MIX, BUT A MIX OF TEXTURES AND TREATMENTS PORCHES, OVERHANGS THAT SORT OF THING. WE ALREADY WE'VE BEEN REGULATING THIS FOR SOME TIME.
SO YOU DON'T JUST HAVE AN ENDLESS, YOU KNOW, BOX OF A BUILDING.
SO THAT'S MY COMMENT. I THINK WE NEED TO PAY SOME ATTENTION TO ATTRACTIVENESS AND DESIRABILITY.
THANK YOU. THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR. ALL RIGHT, CLOSE OFF. TURN MINE ON, COMMISSIONER. JUST TO ECHO COMMISSIONER BROUNOFF, ONE OF THE THE LEEDING QUESTIONS TO THE DESIGN STANDARDS WAS, TO, QUOTE, ENSURE THAT NEW MULTI-FAMILY DEVELOPMENT FITS THE COMMUNITY.
AND THE REASON WHY WE PROPOSE THE LEED, ESSENTIALLY, IF I'M NOT, IF MY MEMORY SERVES ME RIGHT, WAS SO THAT WE ARE NOT LEFT HANGING WITH NOTHING IN PLACE FROM A GUIDANCE PERSPECTIVE.
I DO APPRECIATE THE THE BLEND RECOMMENDATION.
BUT I STILL THINK THAT WE NEED SOMETHING TO GUIDE ANYONE WHO COMES IN IN THE NEXT 30, 60, 90 DAYS UNTIL WE GET OUR OWN PROPERLY DEVELOPED CODE ALONG THE SAME LINES.
AND CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG. ONE OF THE REASONS WHY FOR THE ECA DISTRICTS, WHY WE PROHIBITED BALCONIES FACING THE DOORWAY PARTLY WAS A LIVING STANDARDS, YOU KNOW, PARTICULATE MATTER AND WHAT HAVE YOU.
BUT THERE WAS ALSO A DESIGN ELEMENT TO IT THAT WHEN YOU'RE DRIVING PAST PLANO, YOU DID NOT WANT TO SEE BALCONIES THAT COULD ESSENTIALLY HAVE THINGS HANGING OFF OF THEM. AS ONE OF THE CRITERIA.
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IF WE REVERSE THAT, ESPECIALLY IF THOSE WERE THINGS THAT WE WOULD NOT HAVE REVERSED IF NOT FOR THIS LEGISLATION, AND THE LEGISLATION STILL PERMITS US TO KEEP THOSE CERTAIN ELEMENTS THAT FITS THE OVERALL CHARACTER AND BUILDING OF THE COMMUNITY.COUNCILMEMBER KEHR. WELL, SINCE WE'RE LOOKING AT GOALS, I THINK ONE OF THE GOALS THAT I HAVE IS TO HAVE MORE DIVERSE HOUSING STOCK. MAYBE THAT DOESN'T APPLY TO OUR DISCUSSION HERE, BUT I THINK WHEN WE'RE LOOKING AT OVERALL PLANS, THAT'S SOMETHING WE ABSOLUTELY SHOULD LOOK AT. I HAVE ANOTHER QUESTION, AND COMMISSIONER OLLEY, MAYBE YOU COULD ADDRESS IT. IS THERE URGENCY IN US DEFINING WHETHER IT'S LEEDS OR GOLD OR ANY OF THOSE SORTS OF THINGS? DO WE NEED TO DEFINE THAT RIGHT NOW? OR DO WE HAVE SOME TIME, BECAUSE IT TAKES TIME FOR THESE PLANS TO GET TO US OR TO BE ADMINISTRATIVELY APPLIED. [INAUDIBLE]. HERE WE GO.
TECHNICALLY, I DON'T THINK THERE IS URGENCY UNLESS SOMEBODY HAS ALREADY PICKED OUT A SITE AND IS GOING TO SUBMIT A PLAN IN THE NEXT 30 TO 60 DAYS. I DOUBT DEVELOPERS MOVE THAT FAST.
BUT IN GENERAL, IN PLANNING, I'M ALWAYS. ESPECIALLY IF IT DOESN'T COST US ANYTHING, QUITE FRANKLY, I WILL ALWAYS BIAS TO GIVING PEOPLE THE RULES OF THE ROAD.
SO THAT WITH AN INDICATION THAT WE INTEND TO WRITE OUR OWN RULES OF THE ROAD IN COMPLIANCE WITH THE LEGISLATION, SO THAT IT'S NOT A, YOU KNOW, YOU'RE NOT DEVELOPING AND PLANNING INTO A VACUUM.
IT'S JUST, I THINK, FAIR TO THE DEVELOPMENT COMMUNITY TO KNOW WHAT THEY ARE PLAYING BY.
AND MY RESPONSE TO THAT WOULD BE THAT THERE IS SUCH A THING AS INVESTING IN THE DEVELOPMENT WORLD, WHERE ONCE YOU BRING IN A DEVELOPMENT PLAN, YOU ARE VESTED UNDER THE CODES AT THE TIME THAT PLAN IS ADOPTED.
SO WE'RE LOOKING AT SEPTEMBER 1ST WHEN THINGS CHANGE.
IF WE DON'T HAVE THE LEED STANDARDS OR SOMETHING ELSE, IF THAT'S DESIRABLE, IF IT'S NOT ADOPTED, THE INDIVIDUALS WHO COME AND MEET WITH US WILL VEST UNDER THE OLD STANDARDS, OR THE STANDARDS OF THE TIME.
SO WE'RE LOOKING TO MAKE SURE THAT IF THEY WANT.
OKAY, DOUG? THANK YOU, MAYOR. I JUST WANTED TO EMPHASIZE.
AND DEVELOPERS VIEW THAT AS VERY DESIRABLE BECAUSE EVERYONE, WHETHER IT'S MULTIFAMILY OR COMMERCIAL OFFICE SPACE, THEY'RE ALL PART OF [INAUDIBLE]. AND SO THEY WERE ALL EVENTUALLY RESOLD.
AND THAT ADDS VALUE TO THE ASSET BECAUSE IT DEFINES THE QUALITY OF THE ASSET.
SO I THINK IN THE SHORT TERM OR NEAR TERM ADOPT [INAUDIBLE].
AND THEN I THINK OVER THE COURSE OF TIME WHEN THE BUILDING OFFICIAL HAS A CHANCE TO DEVELOP OUR OWN STANDARDS, IS THE WAY TO GO. OKAY. DEPUTY MAYOR PRO TEM? I DON'T KNOW IF THIS IS THE RIGHT TIME TO BRING THIS UP, BUT AS THE COMMISSIONER STATED EARLIER ABOUT GIVING A ROADMAP AND LETTING DEVELOPERS KNOW WHAT TO EXPECT. I MEAN, HISTORICALLY, OUR COMPREHENSIVE PLAN OR ZONING.
A LOT OF THAT'S BEEN TAKEN OUT OF OUR HANDS NOW.
AND SO WITH THAT IN MIND TO GIVE CREDIT TO COMMISSIONER BENDER FOR BRINGING UP THE IDEA OF BEING PROACTIVE AND MAKING SURE THAT WE ARE ARE TRYING TO ENTICE THOSE THAT ARE BUILDING IN OUR COMMUNITY TO CREATE SOMETHING THAT OUR THAT WE WANT, THAT OUR COMMUNITY WANTS. WHILE I KNOW THERE AREN'T THINGS THAT WE CAN NECESSARILY HAVE IN PLACE BY SEPTEMBER 1ST AND WHATEVER IS IN PLACE, IF SOMEONE WANTED TO START THE PROCESS, THEY'LL BE VESTED, THEN I THINK IT MIGHT BE USEFUL FOR PEOPLE TO KNOW THAT MAYBE WE ARE LOOKING AT OPPORTUNITIES AND WAYS TO INCENTIVIZE DEVELOPERS TO CREATE THINGS IN THE COMMUNITY THAT WE DO WANT.
AND I DON'T KNOW EXACTLY HOW WE INCENTIVIZE. OF COURSE WE WANT TO FOLLOW THE RULES AND NOT DO ANYTHING OUT OF COMPLIANCE, BUT I WOULD BE LOOKING TO OUR ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT DEPARTMENT FOR SOME DIRECTION ON THINGS THAT WE WOULD LIKE TO MAKE AVAILABLE AS AN
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INCENTIVE TO ENCOURAGE BOTH BUSINESSES TO COME IN AND CREATE JOBS AND HOUSING THAT CATERS TO THEM AND CREATES THAT, MAYBE THAT LIVE, WORK, FEEL WALKABILITY, THINGS LIKE THAT.SO WHILE I KNOW THAT'S A LONGER DISCUSSION TO BE HAD AND NOT THINGS THAT WE CAN NECESSARILY PUT IN PLACE, AND I UNDERSTAND IT'S IMPORTANT TO GO AHEAD AND PROTECT THOSE THINGS THAT WE DO WANT TO HAVE IN PLACE AND MAKE THOSE DECISIONS TODAY.
I CERTAINLY WOULD HATE FOR SOMEONE, A BUSINESS DEVELOPER, TO MISS OUT ON AN OPPORTUNITY TO WORK WITH THE CITY TOGETHER, TO PARTNER AND CREATE SOMETHING REALLY FANTASTIC.
COMMISSIONER TONG. THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR. SO I WANT TO GO BACK TO THAT LEED VERSUS GREEN CODE ISSUE, BECAUSE I KNOW THAT STAFF IS LOOKING FOR, I GUESS ANSWERS FROM THE COMMISSION AND THE COUNCIL ABOUT WHETHER WE WOULD DO, LIKE THE OPTIONS, RIGHT, WHETHER WE ADOPT LEED OR YOU KNOW, THIS TEMPORARY AND JUST DO THE OTHER LATER.
MY QUESTION IS, I AGREE WITH COMMISSIONER OLLEY THAT WE DON'T WANT TO CREATE A VACUUM THAT WHEN THE DEVELOPER COMPANY DON'T KNOW WHAT TO DO, RIGHT? BUT ON THE OTHER SIDE, I ALSO WANT THAT STAFF MAYBE HELP US EVALUATE IF WE ADOPTED THE LEED CERTIFICATION RIGHT NOW AND CHANGE IT TO THE GREEN CODE IN, MAYBE THREE MONTHS, SIX MONTHS DOWN THE ROAD.
WOULD THAT CREATE A LOT OF I GUESS, COST-RELATED CHANGES TO THE DEVELOPERS? I MEAN, WE'RE CITY FRIENDLY TO THE DEVELOPERS, TO THE COMMUNITIES, AND WE DON'T WANT TO SAY, HEY, WE WANT YOU TO DO ALL THESE DOCUMENTATION TO MEET THE LEED CERTIFICATION RIGHT NOW.
BUT SIX MONTHS LATER, YOU HAVE TO DO ALL DIFFERENT PROCESSES FOR ANOTHER SET OF THINGS.
SO I'M NOT FAMILIAR WITH THE DIFFERENCES BETWEEN THESE TWO.
SO MAYBE THE STAFF CAN HELP US EVALUATE THAT.
I ALSO THINK THAT MR. MATA'S RECOMMENDATION WAS TO GIVE PEOPLE FLEXIBILITY.
SO I DON'T KNOW THAT IT WOULD BE, IN MY OPINION, TOO MUCH DISRUPTION TO ALLOW LEED NOW AND THEN GIVE THE OPTION OF LEED OR GREEN CODE IN THE FUTURE BECAUSE THE GREEN CODE, THEY WOULD STILL HAVE THE OPTION TO STAY WITH LEED.
OKAY. THANK YOU. CHAIRMAN. THANK YOU, MAYOR. JUST TO KIND OF TRY TO GET SOME CONCLUSION FOR THE STAFF, I THINK AT LEAST WHAT I'M THINKING AND WHAT I BELIEVE I'M HEARING FROM THE COMMISSION IS THAT WE WOULD LIKE, THE COMMISSION WOULD LIKE TO SEE A STANDARD PUT IN PLACE BEFORE SEPTEMBER 1ST.
AND OBVIOUSLY THE ONLY STANDARD THAT REALLY CAN BE IMPLEMENTED THAT QUICKLY WOULD BE LEED.
I PRESUME THAT WOULD APPLY TO ALL MULTIFAMILY DEVELOPMENT, NOT JUST THE ONES THAT ARE SUBJECT TO SENATE BILL 840, BUT THAT WOULD BE ACROSS THE BOARD STANDARD FOR ANY NEW MULTIFAMILY DEVELOPMENT COMING INTO PLANO WHILE WE STUDY AN ADDITIONAL OPTION.
TO FOLLOW THROUGH WITH THAT, A LITTLE PRIDE OF AUTHORSHIP, I BELIEVE THE REWRITE COMMITTEE IS ALREADY IN PLACE TO REVIEW THESE KIND OF TECHNICAL ISSUES THAT WE HAVE COMING IN FRONT OF US TO REWRITE THE ZONING ORDINANCE, AND I GUESS MY RECOMMENDATION TO THE COUNCIL WOULD BE, IF WE COULD PUT THAT ON THE AGENDA OR ON THE ADDITIONAL CHARGE FOR THE REWRITE COMMITTEE, AND SEE IF MY CO-CHAIR DOWN AT THE END OF THE DAIS AGREES WITH ME, BECAUSE IT WILL BE MORE WORK FOR US, BUT I THINK THAT'S THE APPROPRIATE FORUM FOR THAT, IF THAT'S AGREEABLE.
THANK YOU, I APPRECIATE IT. COMMISSIONER BRONSKY, I'LL LET YOU GO AHEAD, AND.
SO YES, I DO. I COMPLETELY AGREE WITH THAT. I DEFINITELY THINK THAT THAT SHOULD MOVE FORWARD.
ONE THING I'D LIKE US TO THINK ABOUT IS, WE'RE LOOKING AT LEEDS IS, I HAVE A SMALL CONCERN AS IT RELATES TO THE GATHERING THE DATA FOR MULTIFAMILY IN POSSIBLY HINDERING SOME OF THE ACCURACY OF THE ASSESSMENTS FOR REAL WORLD PERFORMANCE IN MULTIFAMILY VERSUS WHAT WE WOULD NORMALLY SEE A LEED STANDARD BEING APPLIED IN OTHER AREAS.
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AND ONE OF THE THINGS THAT. SO I'M IN FAVOR OF MOVING FORWARD WITH LEEDS AS WE HAVE IT HERE, BUT I WANT US TO KEEP IN MIND, AS WE LOOK AT BRINGING THIS FULL LEEDS AND GREEN TOGETHER, THAT FROM A LITTLE BIT OF RESEARCH I WAS DOING, THE LEED SOMETIMES DOESN'T PRIORITIZE BUILDING RESILIENCY.AND IN AREAS LIKE WE LIVE IN, I DON'T WANT THEM TO POSSIBLY UNDERMINE ANY SUSTAINABILITY FOR THE MULTIFAMILY HOUSING AS A WHOLE. AND SO I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE LOOK AT SOME OF THOSE STUDIES AS WE INCORPORATE THAT ACROSS THE MULTIFAMILY DEVELOPMENTS.
THAT'S ALL. MR. MAYOR, THANK YOU. THANK YOU. COMMISSIONER ALALI.
I THINK THERE IS A CODE, BUT I'M SORRY I DIDN'T HAVE THE TIME TO RESEARCH IT.
IT'S THE GREENBELT TEXAS, AND IT IS GEARED FOR MULTIFAMILY.
IT'S LIKE, IT TALKS ABOUT LIKE THE ENERGY AND ALSO THE CONSTRUCTION.
MISS ALALI. I'M SORRY. YOUR MIC IS CLOSED. SORRY.
YEAH. I'M SO SORRY ABOUT THAT. YEAH. SO, YOU KNOW, LIKE SO I THINK IT'S THE GREENBELT TEXAS.
YOU KNOW, LIKE IT IS GEARED FOR SPECIFICALLY MULTIFAMILY.
SO WE CAN LOOK AT THAT AND MAYBE I CAN DO A RESEARCH AND LIKE SEND IT OVER TO YOU TO LOOK AT IT BECAUSE IT'S LIKE TACKLE THE CONSTRUCTION OF MULTIFAMILY BECAUSE LIKE, ESPECIALLY LIKE THE WOOD.
I KNOW THAT THERE ARE DIFFERENT SYSTEMS, LIKE CONSTRUCTION SYSTEMS, BUT BASICALLY LIKE HOW TO CONSERVE IN THE WOOD AND YOU'RE LIKE AN ENERGY WATER AND ALL THESE. SO MAYBE I CAN LIKE RESEARCH IT A LITTLE BIT MORE AND I CAN SEND YOU AND I APOLOGIZE.
I DIDN'T HAVE THE TIME TO. YEAH. THANK YOU. OKAY.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? TOSAN? CAN YOU GO BACK TO THAT CHART THAT SHOWED THE STEP BACKS? IT MIGHT BE READING THIS WRONG, BUT GIVEN 840 REMOVES OUR ABILITY TO REQUIRE A SETBACK, AND WE AUTOMATICALLY. IF WE'RE GOING TO LOOK AT STEP BACKS AND WE AUTOMATICALLY KIND OF HANDCUFFED TO THE ZERO 61050? IT DOES ALLOW UP TO A 25 FOOT SETBACK.
THAT'S THE MINIMUM SETBACK YOU CAN HAVE UNDER 840.
GOTCHA. OKAY. THANK YOU SIR. CERTAINLY. COUNCIL MEMBER KEHR?.
I THINK WE CAN TURN THIS INTO AN OPPORTUNITY, AND THIS IS A GREAT WAY FOR US TO GET OUT IN FRONT OF IT AND HAVE THE KIND OF DEVELOPERS AND DEVELOPMENTS COME INTO THE CITY. I THINK THIS MAY BE OPENING SOME GREAT DOORS FOR US, AND I JUST WANT TO DRIVE THAT HOME THAT THIS COULD BE AN OPPORTUNITY FOR US.
APPRECIATE IT. ALL RIGHT. WE APPRECIATE ALL THE COMMENTS.
I KNOW CHRISTINA AND SELSO WILL WORK ON THAT AND WE'LL SEE IT AT OUR NEXT MEETING.
SO WITH THAT, NO FURTHER BUSINESS. PLANNING AND ZONING AND THE CITY COUNCIL ARE ADJOURNED.
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