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I NOW DECLARE THE PLANO CITY COUNCIL PRELIMINARY OPEN MEETING IS RECONVENED IN OPEN SESSION THAT ALL COUNCIL MEMBERS ARE PRESENT.

COUNCIL. THERE HE IS. OKAY. OUR FIRST ITEM ON THE PRELIMINARY AGENDA IS CONSIDERATION AND ACTION RESULTING FROM THE EXECUTIVE SESSION.

[PRELIMINARY OPEN MEETING]

SO ON THAT ITEM, I NEED A MOTION TO AUTHORIZE THE SETTLEMENT OF THE CHRISTINE PARK CLAIM IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE DIRECTION GIVEN IN EXECUTIVE SESSION.

I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO AUTHORIZE THE SETTLEMENT, AS DISCUSSED.

CHRIS. OH, SORRY. I THOUGHT I HAD YOU UP. GO AHEAD.

I'LL SECOND THE MOTION. THANK YOU. WE'LL DO A HAND VOTE.

MOTION AND A SECOND. OH, NO. OH, HERE WE ARE.

LOOK AT YOU, TECHNOLOGY. I HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND TO APPROVE THE CONSIDERATION AND ACTION RESULTING FROM THE EXECUTIVE SESSION DISCUSSION.

PLEASE VOTE. MOTION PASSES 8 TO 0. THANK YOU.

OUR NEXT ITEM IS THE DART UPDATE, ANDREW FORTUNE.

GOOD EVENING, MAYOR AND COUNCIL, ANDREW FORTUNE, DIRECTOR OF POLICY AND GOVERNMENT RELATIONS. I WANTED TO PROVIDE A BRIEF UPDATE NOW THAT THE LEGISLATIVE SESSION HAS CONCLUDED ON OUR EFFORTS RELATED TO DART.

SEE IF THE SLIDES WILL ADVANCE. LISA. NO.

SO WHILE WE WAIT ON THE SLIDES. OH, THERE WE ARE.

I THINK IT'S MOVING, ONE MORE. THERE WE ARE. SOME BRIEF BACKGROUND. THE CITY COUNCIL IN PLANO, FIRST IN 2020, REQUESTED AN ROI RETURN ON INVESTMENT ANALYSIS FROM DART ON THE $0.01 SALES TAX THAT PLANO TAXPAYERS HAD DEDICATED TO THE AGENCY.

UNFORTUNATELY, IT TOOK GOING TO THE LEGISLATURE IN 2021.

AND DURING THE HEARING IN THE HOUSE IT WAS AGREED UPON BETWEEN DART AND THE CITY THAT IF THE CITY WERE TO PULL DOWN THE LEGISLATION, THAT DART WOULD PROVIDE THAT INFORMATION. UNFORTUNATELY, DART PROVIDED FAILED TO PROVIDE A QUANTITATIVE ANALYSIS, INSTEAD PROVIDING A LARGELY QUALITATIVE DOCUMENT THAT HIGHLIGHTED THE BENEFITS OF TRANSIT, BUT DIDN'T REALLY GET TO THE CORE OF HER QUESTION, WHICH WAS WHERE ARE THE TAX DOLLARS GOING AND HOW IS THAT BENEFITING OUR RESIDENTS? SO WE WENT LAST LEGISLATIVE SESSION AND FILED SENATE BILL 1370, WHICH PASSED THROUGH THE SENATE, BUT LATER DIED IN THE HOUSE WITH THE SAME PROMISE THAT WE WOULD GO HOME AND WOULD HAVE A QUANTITATIVE ANALYSIS PRODUCED DURING THAT SAME TIME.

IMMEDIATELY FOLLOWING THE SESSION, THE MAYOR AND OTHER MAYORS IN THE REGION REQUESTED A MORE BROAD LOOK AT TRANSIT FOR THE FUTURE.

AND THAT'S TRANSIT 2.0, WHICH MANY OF YOU HAVE HEARD ABOUT AND HAVE HAD BRIEFINGS ON.

AND AT THAT TIME, DART ALSO ENGAGED ERNST AND YOUNG EY ASSOCIATES TO CONDUCT THIS VALUE ANALYSIS.

OF THE 13 DART MEMBER CITIES IN 2024 SIX, INCLUDING PLANO, PASSED RESOLUTIONS TO RETURN FUNDS FROM THE AGENCY TO THE CITY.

I'M CONCERNED AGAIN THAT WE WERE NOT RECEIVING THE VALUE OF THE $0.01 IN SERVICES, AND WE WERE ABLE TO OBTAIN FINALLY THE EY RESULTS. AS YOU CAN SEE THERE, PLANO WAS BY FAR THE MOST UNDERWATER IN TERMS OF WHAT WE PUT IN AS AN INVESTMENT VERSUS WHAT WE RECEIVED IN SPENDING.

WITH 65 MILLION BEING SPENT IN OTHER COMMUNITIES NOT EVEN RECEIVING $0.50 ON THE DOLLAR.

THAT PROMPTED US TO MOVE TOWARDS THE LEGISLATIVE SESSION.

I WILL ALSO ADD, THOUGH, OUR FIRST STOP WAS NOT THE LEGISLATIVE SESSION.

SO WE DID MEET AND WITH DART LEADERSHIP, WE ACTUALLY HOSTED THEM HERE.

WE HAD DISCUSSIONS ABOUT SERVICE ENHANCEMENTS, THINGS THAT WOULD ULTIMATELY KEEP US OUT OF AUSTIN.

UNFORTUNATELY THE MOBILITY FUNDS THAT WE HAD REQUESTED WERE DENIED AT THAT POINT.

AND SO WE CONTINUED MOVING FORWARD FOR A MORE STRUCTURAL CHANGE LATER THROUGH THAT PROCESS AS LEGISLATION ADVANCED, DART DID PROVIDE A PROPOSAL THAT WAS VERY SIMILAR TO WHAT WE HAD ASKED FOR AT THE TIME, BUT HAD AT THAT POINT, WE HAD ALREADY GOTTEN INTO THE LEGISLATIVE PROCESS AND WERE COMMITTED TO A STRUCTURAL CHANGE. SO A BRIEF OVERVIEW OF LAST LEGISLATIVE SESSION.

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THE SIX CITIES LISTED THERE SUPPORTED THE EFFORTS FOR A STRUCTURAL FUNDING CHANGE OF THE AGENCY THAT WOULD HAVE PROVIDED 25% BACK TO CITIES THAT WERE IN A SITUATION THAT WE FOUND OURSELVES IN IN 2023. DART ACTIVELY OPPOSED THOSE EFFORTS.

DESPITE THAT, WE DID HAVE A BIPARTISAN SUPPORT PASSING THAT BILL OUT OF THE HOUSE TRANSPORTATION COMMITTEE, BUT UNFORTUNATELY, IT DIED IN THE CALENDARS COMMITTEE.

ON THE SENATE SIDE, THE SENATE, ALTHOUGH WE HAD STRONG AUTHORS SUPPORTING THE EFFORT, THE SENATE ELECTED NOT TO HOLD A HEARING ON THAT BILL.

SO THE DART PROPOSAL THAT WAS PUT FORWARD, THEY DID PASS A RESOLUTION ENSHRINING THAT PROPOSAL, THOUGH YOU HAVE PROBABLY HEARD ABOUT PUBLIC HEARINGS THAT ARE COMING UP ABOUT SERVICE CHANGES AND REDUCTIONS TO FUND THAT PROPOSAL.

IT DOES INCLUDE, IN FUTURE YEARS A CHANGE TO THE METHODOLOGY THAT WE SAW IN THE EY STUDY.

AND SO THAT IS AN ELEMENT OF CONCERN FOR STAFF.

AND TO DATE, NO FUNDING HAS BEEN ALLOCATED BY DART FOR THIS PROPOSAL.

AND SO WE ARE ACTIVELY MONITORING THAT. FOR US, FROM A STAFF PERSPECTIVE, WE WOULD PROPOSE FROM THE COUNCIL THAT WE WOULD CONTINUE TO MONITOR THE PROPOSAL COORDINATE WITH OUR OTHER CONCERNED CITIES AND CONTINUE RESEARCHING THE BEST TRANSIT OPTIONS THAT WOULD BEST SERVE PLANO.

WE HOPE THAT IT IS OUR TRANSIT PARTNER, BUT IF WE NEED TO SEEK OTHER PARTNERS ELSEWHERE THAT'S GOING TO BE PART OF THE INFORMATION THAT'S BROUGHT FORWARD TO YOU.

BUT WE WILL BE BRINGING FORWARD ALL OPTIONS IN THE COMING MONTHS FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION.

SO WITH THAT, I'M HAPPY TO TAKE ANY QUESTIONS, ANY DIRECTION FOR STAFF.

MAYOR PRO TEM ANDREW, I WANT TO THANK YOU. YOU WORKED REALLY HARD IN TRYING TO GET OUR GET DIRECTION FROM THE COUNCIL TO THE LEGISLATURE. AND I KNOW THAT YOU WERE WORKING DAY AND NIGHT ON THIS.

WE REALLY APPRECIATE THAT, AND I REALLY APPRECIATE THAT.

BUT I DO HAVE A QUESTION ABOUT THE EY CHART, IF YOU COULD PUT THAT BACK ON.

CERTAINLY. SO NOW SORT OF WALK ME THROUGH THIS.

AND THE ONLY THING THAT I'M ACTUALLY INTERESTED IN IS PLANO.

SO IT LOOKS LIKE THIS IS A ONE YEAR EXPENSE AND CHART.

AM I CORRECT ABOUT. YES. AND SOME OF THE RHETORIC WE HEARD FROM THE AGENCY WAS THIS IS A SNAPSHOT IN TIME.

AND WE WOULD AGREE IT IS A SNAPSHOT. AND THAT'S WHAT'S MOST CONCERNING IS THAT THIS IS ONLY FOR YEAR 2023, THAT THE STUDY WAS DONE. AND WE'RE CONCERNED.

AND WE VISITED WITH THE CONSULTANTS AND THEY SHARED OUR CONCERNS THAT THIS IS INDICATIVE OF A PATTERN.

AND WITHOUT SIGNIFICANT STRUCTURAL CHANGE, WE HAVE NO REASON TO BELIEVE THIS PATTERN IS GOING TO CHANGE IN THE NEAR FUTURE. SO THE $0.01 THAT WE SALES TAX THAT WE GIVE TO FUND DART IN ONE YEAR, HOW MUCH DOES THAT EQUATE TO? NOW WE'RE CLOSER TO 115, 117 MILLION A YEAR. AT THE TIME IT WAS 109,000,109 MILLION.

SO WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT THE OPERATING EXPENSES FOR PLANO, IS THAT 35% OF THE $109 MILLION IS COMING, GOING TO PLANO. IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE SAYING, ROUGHLY? YEAH. WE WERE NOT RECEIVING EVEN $0.50 ON THE DOLLAR.

IT ENDED UP BEING 44, 44 MILLION, 44 MILLION, 44.6 MILLION WAS SPENT IN PLANO OF THE $109 MILLION THAT WE FUNDED THE DART IN THAT ONE YEAR, ONE YEAR ALONE.

YES, MA'AM. AND IF YOU LOOK ELSEWHERE ON THE CHART, YOU CAN SEE THERE ARE OTHER CITIES THAT ARE RECIPIENTS OF THOSE WE WERE LARGELY TERMED A DONOR CITY. AND SO WE DONATED THAT $65 MILLION IN THAT ONE YEAR THAT WENT TO OTHER CITIES.

WHERE DO YOU SEE, THE 65 MILLION, IS THAT FROM THE TOTAL? FROM THE TOTAL. RIGHT. SO IF YOU WERE TO SUBTRACT THE 109 THAT WE PUT IN VERSUS THE 44 WE RECEIVED BACK THAT WOULD BE 65.

AND THERE WERE OTHER CITIES OTHER THAN PLANO WHO WERE DONORS TO THE SYSTEM.

YOU CAN SEE, OF COURSE, DALLAS BEING THE LARGEST RECIPIENT OF THE DOLLAR IN, DOLLAR OUT MODEL.

OTHERS WERE ON PAR. AND AS WE'VE SAID IN THE PAST, WE'RE NOT WE REALIZE WE'RE PART OF A SYSTEM.

IT WON'T ALWAYS BE DOLLAR FOR DOLLAR, BUT NOT EVEN RECEIVING $0.50 ON THE DOLLAR IS VERY DIFFICULT TO DEFEND.

THAT'S RIGHT. SO BASICALLY THAT'S THE REASON ONCE THIS REPORT CAME OUT, WE DID TALK TO DART ABOUT THIS AND OUR CONCERNS.

WE DID WE VOICED THOSE CONCERNS. UNFORTUNATELY IT WAS NOT UNTIL DECEMBER, I BELIEVE THIS REPORT CAME OUT IN THE LATE SUMMER, EARLY FALL, AND IT WAS NOT UNTIL DECEMBER THAT THE DART BOARD ACTUALLY TOOK THIS UP AS AN ISSUE.

BY THAT POINT, LEGISLATION HAD ALREADY BEEN DISCUSSED AND IT WAS IN FACT STATED.

WE WERE TOLD THAT HAD WE NOT PURSUED THE LEGISLATION, WE WOULD NOT HAVE A PROPOSAL ON THE TABLE TODAY FROM DART.

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AND WE WE'VE TRIED TO COMMUNICATE WITH THEM FOR MANY YEARS BEFORE WE EVEN EXPLORED THE OPTION OF GOING THE LEGISLATION ROUTE.

AM I CORRECT? THAT IS CORRECT. THANK YOU VERY MUCH, ANDREW, I APPRECIATE YOU.

YES, MA'AM. THANK YOU. ANDREW. I THINK WE HAVE A SPEAKER LISA.

WE DO? SHELBY WILLIAMS, AND HE'LL BE SPEAKING ON THIS ITEM AND THE NEXT ONE.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH. MAYOR AND COUNCIL, SHELBY WILLIAMS, HUMBLE PLANO CITIZEN.

I KICKED THIS OFF MORE THAN FIVE YEARS AGO SEEKING DART REFORM AND MODERNIZATION.

AND FOR AS MANY OF YOU KNOW WHO HAVE BEEN ON COUNCIL FOR SOME TIME, AND I'LL SHARE WITH THE NEWER MEMBERS OF COUNCIL THROUGH THREE LEGISLATIVE SESSIONS IN A ROW NOW WE HAVE GONE TO BAT TRYING TO HAVE MEANINGFUL DIALOG, GET SOME MEANINGFUL CHANGE ON BEHALF OF THE CITY OF PLANO AND OUR CITIZENS. AND FOR THREE LEGISLATIVE SESSIONS IN A ROW WE HAVE BASICALLY BEEN PLAYING CHARLIE BROWN AND LUCY WITH THE FOOTBALL.

PROMISES ARE MADE THEN AS SOON AS THE LEGISLATIVE SESSION IS OVER IT EVAPORATES.

WE HAVE NOT BEEN ABLE TO HAVE ANY REAL, MEANINGFUL CONSIDERATION OF CHANGE.

AND THE FACT REMAINS THAT THE CITY OF PLANO PAYS MORE INTO THE DART SYSTEM THAN IT DOES THE PLANO POLICE DEPARTMENT.

THE CITY OF PLANO PAYS MORE INTO THE DART SYSTEM THAN OUR RESIDENTS PAY IN PROPERTY TAXES.

AND THIS IS A DRAMATIC IMBALANCE. AND EVEN OUT OF THE $44 MILLION DOLLARS THAT WAS SPENT IN PLANO.

BY NO MEASURE CAN IT BE CONSIDERED TO BE SPENT WELL AND PROVIDE $44 MILLION WORTH OF VALUE.

WHAT I'VE BEEN ADVOCATING FOR A LONG TIME IS THAT DART MAKES SENSE FOR EVERYBODY INVOLVED.

THE FACT THAT NO OTHER CITIES HAVE WANTED TO JOIN THE DART SYSTEM IN 40 YEARS IS A MARKETPLACE STATEMENT.

BECAUSE THEY KNOW THE VALUE PROPOSITION IS UPSIDE DOWN.

THE FACT THAT VERY FEW PEOPLE CHOOSE TO RIDE DART WHEN IT IS AVAILABLE AND HOW IT'S AVAILABLE IS, AGAIN, A MARKETPLACE RESPONSE. AND AS STAFF BRINGS BEFORE YOU THE OPTIONS TO CONSIDER, I URGE YOU TO THINK ABOUT JUST HOW UPSIDE DOWN THE CITY OF PLANO IS AND THE FACT THAT IN MY OBSERVATION OVER THE PAST FIVE YEARS, DART NO LONGER EXISTS PRIMARILY TO SERVE THE PEOPLE FOR WHICH THE SYSTEM WAS CREATED, BUT PRIMARILY EXISTS TO SERVE ITSELF.

AS WE'VE SEEN THROUGH THREE LEGISLATIVE SESSIONS NOW, I WOULD LIKE TO SPEND A MOMENT AND RECOGNIZE ANDREW FORTUNE AND STEVEN TANNER FOR THEIR YEOMAN'S WORK IN THE LEGISLATURE THIS YEAR. THEY, AS MAYOR PRO TEM TU SAID.

WE'RE WORKING NIGHT AND DAY, LITERALLY. AND SO I WANT TO APPLAUD THEIR EFFORTS.

SO SWITCHING GEARS FROM DART OR SWITCHING TRACKS FROM DART I'D LIKE TO THANK YOU FOR YOUR INDULGENCE MAYOR, IN ALLOWING ME TO SPEAK ON STREAM BANK STABILIZATION. IN BRIEF, THIS IS AN ISSUE I'VE BEEN FOLLOWING FOR SEVERAL YEARS AS WELL.

AND AS YOU GET THE UPDATE TONIGHT I BELIEVE THAT OUR STREAM BANKS SHOULD BE TREATED LIKE WE TREAT CITY INFRASTRUCTURE.

BACK WHEN THESE AGREEMENTS WERE MADE WITH AND IT WAS DETERMINED THAT HOAS SHOULD BE THIS HOA OR THAT HOA SHOULD BE RESPONSIBLE FOR STREAM BANK UPKEEP.

I THINK THEY WERE THINKING ABOUT DEAD TREES AND DEADFALL AND TRASH, NOT RETAINING WALLS FOR SHIFTING STREAM BANKS AND EROSION.

SO I THINK THE FAIR THING TO DO WOULD BE TO TREAT THOSE AS INFRASTRUCTURE, THE WAY WE DO OUR ROADS AND ALLEYS.

AND SOME PEOPLE HAVE RAISED THE POINT THAT THE HOAS SHOULD TAKE CARE OF THOSE OR THE PROPERTY OWNERS BECAUSE THEY CHOSE TO LIVE NEXT TO A CREEK, AND SO THEY SHOULD BE PAYING MORE FOR THAT. THEY ALREADY DO THROUGH THEIR ELEVATED PROPERTY TAXES.

SO JUST AS WE COLLECT PROPERTY AND HALF OF OUR SALES TAX TO TAKE CARE OF OUR INFRASTRUCTURE, I BELIEVE WE SHOULD TREAT STREAM BANKS THE SAME WAY FOR PURPOSES OF EROSION.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THANK YOU. APPRECIATE IT.

OKAY. OUR NEXT ITEM IS STREAMBANK STABILIZATION.

CALEB.

ALL RIGHT. GOOD EVENING. MY NAME IS CALEB THORNHILL.

I'M THE DIRECTOR OF ENGINEERING FOR THE CITY OF PLANO. AND AS YOU JUST HEARD, THIS IS WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT IS STREAMBANK STABILIZATION, DRAINAGE UPDATE. THERE WE GO. SO THIS IS GOING TO BE A VERY SIMILAR PRESENTATION THAT WE GAVE IN APRIL.

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WE'VE GOT A FEW SLIDES THAT WERE UPDATED BASED ON THE OUTGOING COUNCIL'S FEEDBACK.

SO FOR HALF OF YOU THIS WILL BE A REFRESHER. AND THE OTHER HALF, HOPEFULLY YOU'LL LEARN SOMETHING NEW TODAY.

BUT HERE'S A LITTLE BIT OF THE HISTORY OF THE PROGRAM.

WE BROUGHT THIS TO COUNCIL BACK IN THE SUMMER OF 2022.

WE RECEIVED DIRECTION FROM COUNCIL TO PROCEED FORWARD.

SO WE'VE DONE A STUDY ON ALL OF OUR STREAMS THROUGHOUT THE ENTIRE CITY.

IT'S 127 MILES. WE COMPLETED THAT OVER THE SPRING OF 23.

AND THEN THE FALL OF 23. IN THE SPRING OF 24, WE DID THAT BECAUSE THE VEGETATION IS LOWER, SO WE DO IT OVER THE WINTER MONTHS. WE'VE WALKED ALL 127 MILES THE FIRST 30 IN THAT FIRST SPRING AND THEN THE 97 AFTER THAT.

WE'VE SPENT THE LAST 8 TO 12 MONTHS COMPILING THE DATA.

WE'VE BUILT A DATABASE. AND I'LL SHOW YOU THAT HERE IN A MINUTE. AND THEN, LIKE I SAID, WE PRESENTED THIS TO COUNCIL BACK IN APRIL.

SO HERE IS A PICTURE OF THAT. THE BLUE WAS THE FIRST 30 MILES THAT WE DID IN THE REDDISH ORANGE IS THE SECOND 97 THAT WE DID.

SO JUST AN IDEA OF WHAT WE'RE KIND OF LOOKING AT WHEN THEY GO OUT AND DO THESE EROSION CONTROL EVALUATIONS, THEY LOOK AT SEVERAL COMPONENTS OF THREAT TO A STRUCTURE THAT COULD BE A HOUSE, IT COULD BE A GARAGE, THAT COULD BE A POOL, THAT COULD EVEN BE A PRIVATE FENCE, OR THAT'S GOING TO BE ALONG THE CHANNEL FOR THE CREEK.

THE LOOK, THE CHANNEL ORIENTATION. IS IT SUSCEPTIBLE TO EROSION? IS IT ON THE OUTSIDE OF A BIN WHERE THE WATER HAS A HIGHER VELOCITY? IS IT ON THE INSIDE WHERE THE WATER HAS A LOWER VELOCITY? THEY'LL ALSO LOOK AT THE CHANCE OF FAILURE. IS THE STREAM BANK EXTREMELY HIGH? WHAT'S THE SOIL MADE OF? THE NEXT ONE IS THE BANK HEIGHT.

IS IT VERY TALL? IS IT VERY SHORT? SO THEY LOOK AT ALL OF THESE COMPONENTS.

IS IT IN AN EROSION HAZARD ZONE? AND THIS IS AN AREA BASED ON THE BANK HEIGHT AND BASED ON THE BANK MATERIAL.

IS THIS AREA LIKELY TO ERODE IN THE NEXT ONE YEAR, NEXT TWO YEARS, NEXT THREE YEARS, AND SO ON AND SO FORTH.

SO THESE ARE ALL THE COMPONENTS THAT THEY'LL LOOK AT AND STABILITY I MENTIONED. IS IT EROSION.

IS IT ROCK. WHEN THEY PUT TOGETHER THE SCORES FOR THE STREAM BANK STABILIZATION AND THEN OBVIOUSLY THE TREES AS WELL.

SO THIS IS THE DATABASE THAT WE HAVE. WE HAVE DATA ON THE ENTIRE CITY.

THE ORANGE IS AREAS WHERE THEY HAVE IDENTIFIED EROSIVE AREAS, AND THEY CALL THOSE LOCATIONS ALONG THEIR REACHES OR THE CREEKS.

THE GREEN IS LET ME MAKE SURE I GET THIS RIGHT.

IS THE, THE GREEN LINES ARE AERIAL CROSSINGS, AND THEN THE RED IS GOING TO BE EXISTING STRUCTURES.

SO IN THE AREA THAT I'VE BLOWN UP THERE, THE ORANGE IS AREAS THEY'VE IDENTIFIED FOR THAT HAVE EROSION.

THE RED IS AN EXISTING STRUCTURE THAT MAY BE A GABION WALL.

AND THEN THE GREEN THERE AT THE BOTTOM OF THAT IS GOING TO BE AN AERIAL CROSSING, ONE OF OUR UTILITIES.

SO WHEN THEY WENT OUT AND DID THE 127 MILES, THEY IDENTIFIED 3000 LOCATIONS THAT HAD EROSION OCCURRING.

AND I'LL GET INTO A LITTLE BIT OF THE DETAILS ON THE SEVERITY OF THAT.

70% OF THAT IS THE RESPONSIBILITY OF THE CITY OF PLANO.

24% OF THAT IS PRIVATE PROPERTY, AND THAT'S RESIDENTIAL AND COMMERCIAL.

AND THEN 6% IS THE HOA. NOW THE 3000, THAT IS LOCATIONS THAT THEY HAVE IDENTIFIED THAT IS NOT PROPERTIES.

SOME OF THE LOCATIONS MAY EXTEND BEYOND MULTIPLE PROPERTIES.

SO WHEN WE BROKE DOWN THE SCORING WE HAD TO HAVE A BREAKPOINT AT SOME POINT.

SO WE DID A 0 TO 20 AS A CRITICAL AREA WHERE WE FELT LIKE SOMETHING NEEDED TO OCCUR IN THE NEXT YEAR OR TWO FOR THAT.

AND THEN THE HIGH IS A 21 TO A 40, AND THAT'S IN THE NEXT TWO YEARS.

AND THEN THE MEDIAN, THE LOW AND THE VERY LOW.

BUT WE NEEDED TO SOMEHOW SEPARATE THESE SO WE COULD ADDRESS WHAT PROJECTS NEEDED TO OCCUR FIRST.

SO WHEN YOU BREAK THAT DOWN, OVER THE 3000 LOCATIONS THAT WE IDENTIFIED, 1% FALL IN THAT 0 TO 20, WHICH IS THE CRITICAL WE'RE CALLING THE CRITICAL.

THE MAJORITY OF THOSE FALL WITHIN THE 61 TO 80 WHICH WE CALL THE LOW WHICH IS A LOT BETTER PROBABLY THAN WE EXPECTED.

AND I WILL SAY THAT WE ONLY APPLIED DOLLARS TO 0 TO 60.

WE DID NOT LOOK AT DOLLARS OF IMPROVEMENTS FROM THE 61 UP TO 100.

SO JUST TO GIVE YOU AN EXAMPLE OF A FEW CRITICAL PROJECTS, THE ONE ON THE LEFT SCORED A SEVEN AND A HALF.

SO AGAIN, BACK TO THAT ANIMATION OR THAT COLORED SLIDE.

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YOU CAN SEE A VERY STEEP SLOPE. YOU SEE A STRUCTURE THAT HAS ALREADY FAILED.

YOU SEE A TREE THAT'S NEARLY FALLING. YOU SEE A SOIL, NOT VERY MUCH VEGETATION.

THAT'S WHY IT'S GOING TO RECEIVE SUCH A LOW SCORE.

AND JUST REMEMBER, ZERO IS REALLY BAD. 100 WOULD BE A PERFECT SIMILAR TO THE ONE ON THE LEFT.

NINE AND A HALF. YOU HAVE A STEEP SLOPE, BUT THE AREA THAT'S CIRCLED THERE ON THE LEFT, THAT IS A EXISTING UTILITY THAT IS NOW EXPOSED.

SO ANYTIME IT RAINS OR WE GET HEAVY FLOW IN THAT AREA, IT'S SUSCEPTIBLE TO DAMAGE.

AND THEN YOU HAVE A CONCRETE RIP RAP THAT IS UNDERCUT AND IT'S POTENTIALLY GOING TO FAIL VERY SOON.

THAT'S PROBABLY CONCRETE RIP RAP THAT'S ALREADY WASHED OUT DOWNSTREAM OF IT.

AND THEN FOR HIGH, IT'S GOING TO BE VERY SIMILAR.

YOU'VE GOT A STRUCTURE THAT'S FAILING ON YOUR RIGHT.

YOU'VE GOT VERY STEEP EARTHEN SLOPES ON YOUR LEFT.

THE ONLY DIFFERENCE MAY BE IS THIS IS CLOSER TO A TRAIL AND NOT NECESSARILY A HOUSE OR A STRUCTURE.

A MEDIUM STEEP SLOPES. WE'VE GOT SOME VEGETATION.

IT'S NOT QUITE TO A STRUCTURE YET. IT'S NEAR A FENCE ON THE LEFT, BUT IT'S NOT IN THE EROSION ZONE FOR THE HOUSE YET.

AND THEN LOW. THIS IS, LIKE I SAID, WHERE THE MAJORITY OF OUR PROPERTIES FALL IN.

YOU'VE GOT AN EXISTING STRUCTURE ON YOUR LEFT THAT NEEDS SOME MAINTENANCE.

YOU'VE GOT AN AREA ON THE RIGHT THAT'S GOING TO HAVE SOME VEGETATION ALREADY.

TREES APPEAR TO BE OKAY. YOU'VE GOT SOME DISTANCE BETWEEN THE FENCE.

AND THEN THE LAST EXAMPLE. WE'VE GOT SOME DEVICES HERE ALREADY.

NOT A WHOLE LOT OF THINGS. PROBABLY JUST SOME MINOR MAINTENANCE, BUT THEY SCORED REALLY HIGH.

I MENTIONED THE AERIAL CROSSINGS. WE DID EVALUATE THOSE AS WELL.

THE ONE ON YOUR LEFT IS JUST BEYOND THE BRIDGE.

IS THAT PIPE STRUCTURE? THAT'S AN AERIAL. WE'VE GOT SOME MINOR EROSION.

OH EXCUSE ME. NEAR THE BOTTOM OF THE PIERS THAT ARE HOLDING UP THE SEWER CROSSING.

THE ONE ON YOUR LEFT. THE AREA THAT YOU SEE KIND OF IN THE YELLOW COLOR THAT USED TO BE COVERED WITH DIRT AND NOW IS FULLY EXPOSED.

SO ALWAYS THAT THAT'S A CRITICAL ONE THAT NEEDS TO BE ADDRESSED VERY SOON.

JUST SOME PROJECTS THAT WE HAVE ALREADY DONE.

HERE'S SOME BEFORE AND AFTERS. YOU CAN SEE THAT HOW CLOSE THE HOUSES WERE TO THIS.

SO THAT'S A GABION WALL STRUCTURE THAT WE PUT IN.

THOSE GABION WALLS ARE ABOUT THREE FEET TALL EACH LAYER.

SO YOU CAN SEE THAT GETS UP TO NEARLY 15, 16FT TALL.

AND THAT WAS ABOUT $1 MILLION FOR THAT STRETCH.

ANOTHER ONE. SO WE DO HAVE SOME ROCK HERE, BUT WE HAVE A VERY STEEP SLOPE.

AND IT'S HARD TO TELL FROM THIS PICTURE, BUT IT'S THE AREA IS ACTUALLY CANTILEVERED WHERE THE DIRT IS ON TOP OF IT, AND YOU'VE KIND OF GOT IT HOLLOWED OUT. SO AGAIN, THIS IS ANOTHER GABION STRUCTURE THAT WE PUT IN.

THIS WAS ADJACENT TO A PARKING LOT. SO THIS ONE COST JUST OVER 1.6 MILLION.

SO ONE OF THE FEEDBACKS THAT WE RECEIVED FROM COUNCIL BACK IN APRIL WAS WHAT ARE SOME OF THE OTHER CITIES DOING? AND MORE IMPORTANTLY, IS THERE ANY PARTICIPATION GOING ON.

SO THIS IS A SLIDE THAT WE'VE SHOWN A COUPLE OF TIMES.

WHAT I ASK STAFF TO DO IS TO KIND OF HIGHLIGHT THE AREAS THAT THERE IS PARTICIPATION.

SO RICHARDSON HAS A $5,000 FEE TO DO IMPROVEMENTS ON PRIVATE PROPERTY AND THEN COMMERCIAL.

IT'S A 50/50 SPLIT. AND THESE ARE AS OF THE LAST TIME THAT WE'D SEEN THEM, GARLAND HAD A BASICALLY A ONE THIRD, TWO THIRD FOR RESIDENTIAL AND THEN A 50 OVER 50 FOR COMMERCIAL.

YOU'LL SEE FROM THE OTHER DALLAS HAS USED BOND FUNDING.

I'M NOT SURE HOW THEY DID THAT SINCE IT'S ON PRIVATE PROPERTY.

FRISCO AND ARLINGTON DO NOT. AND THEN MCKINNEY HAS LANGUAGE IN THERE THAT SAYS IF THERE'S A SAFETY CONCERN.

THE CONCERN THAT I HAVE WITH THAT STATEMENT IS SAFETY BECOMES VERY GRAY.

AND WHO DEFINES SAFETY? SO THAT'S WHAT THE OPTION THAT THEY HAVE, BUT THE PARTICIPATION IS WHAT THE LAST OR OUTGOING COUNCIL HAD TALKED TO US ABOUT.

SO FROM A NUMBERS STANDPOINT, I MENTIONED WE DID NOT DO ANY CONSTRUCTION DOLLARS FOR ANYTHING THAT SCORED OVER A 61 OR ABOVE.

SO WE'VE BROKEN THIS DOWN INTO THE CRITICAL. YOU CAN SEE THAT SUMMER IS JUST AROUND 10 MILLION OR JUST OVER 10 MILLION.

AND THEN THE MEDIUM OR THE HIGH TO MEDIUM. SO 21 TO 60 IS ABOUT 150 MILLION.

AND SO FOR, FOR THIS MEETING, WHAT I'VE TRIED TO DO IS PUT TOGETHER A PROPOSAL JUST OR AN ESTIMATE JUST TO DO THE 10.3 MILLION JUST THE CRITICAL LOCATIONS. NOW, YOU CAN SEE THAT SOME OF THOSE ARE PRIVATELY OWNED BY RESIDENTIAL COMMERCIAL HOA'S.

YOU CAN SEE THE DOLLAR AMOUNTS FOR THOSE. SO THERE WOULD BE SOME EXCUSE ME, SOME STEPS THAT WE WOULD HAVE TO TAKE IN ORDER TO DO THAT.

YOU CAN SEE THE CITY AND THE PARKS. IF YOU LUMP THOSE TOGETHER, IT'S ABOUT 70% OF THAT TOTAL.

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SO I MENTIONED THE PRIVATE PROPERTY. SO A COUPLE OF CHALLENGES WE'LL HAVE IS DOING WORK ON PRIVATE PROPERTY.

WHEN THE PLAT CLEARLY STATES THAT IT'S A RESPONSIBILITY OF THE PROPERTY OWNER, THE HOA OR WHAT HAVE YOU.

SO WE HAVE HAD SOME DISCUSSIONS WITH LEGAL. I MENTIONED THE COST SHARING COULD BE A POTENTIAL OPTION.

WE'VE TALKED ABOUT PLAT REVISIONS, BUT THERE'S QUESTIONS.

DO WE REVISE THE PLAT FOR ONE PROPERTY FOR THE ENTIRE NEIGHBORHOOD? DO WE REQUIRE SOME SORT OF MAINTENANCE EASEMENT FOR THAT? THE LOCATION YOU SEE HERE, THERE'S EROSION CONTROL MEASURES THAT ARE NEEDED VERY CLOSE TO THE HOUSE.

SO DO WE ACQUIRE THAT OTHER HALF OF THAT PARCEL? SO THOSE ARE ALL DISCUSSIONS THAT WE'VE HAD. AND WHAT WE'VE REALIZED IS IT'S REALLY GOING TO BE A CASE BY CASE BASIS, DEPENDING ON THE PROPERTY, DEPENDING ON IF THERE'S OBSTRUCTIONS.

DO THEY HAVE A POOL IN THE AREA THAT WE NEED TO PUT SOME KIND OF A MEASURE? DO THEY HAVE A FENCE? WHAT THE ISSUE MAY BE, YOU KNOW, IS THERE GOING TO BE IMPACT TO THE ZONING ORDINANCE BECAUSE NOW THE LOT IS TOO SHALLOW? SO THOSE ARE ALL THINGS THAT WE WOULD HAVE TO EVALUATE PER PROPERTY DEPENDING ON HOW WE MOVE FORWARD.

SO I MENTIONED I USED THAT CRITICAL DOLLAR AMOUNT.

SO THE 10 MILLION AND WHAT WE WOULD NEED TO DO AND WHAT WE HAVE ESTIMATED.

WE NEED ABOUT $3 MILLION A YEAR IN ORDER TO ADDRESS THE $10 MILLION WORTH OF CRITICAL PROJECTS THAT WOULD HAVE US FINISH THOSE IN THE NEXT 2 TO 3 YEARS.

SO IN THAT TIME FRAME OF CRITICALITY, IF WE NEEDED ADDITIONAL $3 MILLION, THAT'S ABOUT A 30% INCREASE OF OUR DRAINAGE FEE.

AND YOU CAN SEE ON THE FAR RIGHT IN RED IS INCREASING OUR DRAINAGE RATE BY 30%.

CURRENTLY AS OF NOVEMBER 2020, THAT'S THE LAST TIME WE HAD A CHANGE.

IT SITS AT $5.40 NOW. THAT'S AN AVERAGE WE HAVE FOUR TIERS.

WE'LL GO INTO THE DETAILS OF THAT, BUT THAT WOULD BE A 30% INCREASE TO DO JUST THE CRITICAL PROJECT LOCATIONS.

AND THIS IS FOR RESIDENTIAL AND THIS WOULD BE FOR COMMERCIAL.

SO AGAIN A 30% INCREASE FOR COMMERCIAL PROPERTIES.

SO NEXT STEPS OBVIOUSLY WE'RE HERE TONIGHT TO GIVE AN UPDATE.

EXCUSE ME. AND WE'LL BE THE PLAN IS TO RECEIVE FEEDBACK TONIGHT.

I KNOW THERE'S SOME CITIZENS THAT ARE GOING TO BE SPEAKING ON THIS, BUT TO TAKE YOUR FEEDBACK, COME UP WITH A PROPOSAL OR SOLUTION, BRING BACK THOSE RECOMMENDATIONS.

THIS SEPTEMBER WE'LL WORK WITH KAREN AND BUDGET TO DETERMINE WHAT THE IMPACTS MAY BE TO THE DRAINAGE RATES.

BRING THAT BACK THIS FALL. AND THEN ONCE WE DO THAT, WE WOULD MOVE FORWARD WITH DESIGN CONTRACTS FOR INDIVIDUAL LOCATIONS AND THEN START CONSTRUCTION ON THAT AFTER THAT. SO THAT WOULD BE THE STEPS THAT WE WOULD FOLLOW.

TO WITH THAT AND I'M SORRY I SKIPPED RIGHT OVER ALISON AND RUSSELL HERE.

ALISON SMITH AND RUSSELL ERSKINE ARE TWO OF OUR ENGINEERS AND BEEN REALLY HEADING UP AND DOING THE HEAVY LIFTING FOR THIS, SO I APOLOGIZE. BUT WITH THAT, OPEN IT UP FOR ANY QUESTIONS.

RICK. THANK YOU, CALEB. THAT WAS A GREAT PRESENTATION, AS BEFORE.

I DO HAVE A QUESTION WITH REGARDS TO YOUR ESTIMATED COST.

WAS THAT BASED ON PLACEMENT OF GABION WALLS? STRICTLY.

IT REALLY DEPENDS ON THE LOCATION. BUT GABION WALLS IS GOING TO BE OUR PRIMARY USE, ESPECIALLY WITH THE STEEP BANK.

NOW, THERE MAY BE A GABION MATTRESS. THERE MAY BE SOME OTHER.

SO IT WAS REALLY DEPENDENT ON THE LOCATION. AND THAT'S WHAT I WOULD I GUESS I WOULD ADVISE WE GO BACK AND DO AN ENGINEERING EVALUATION.

WHEN WE LOOK AT THESE, PARTICULARLY THE CRITICAL ONES. I MEAN, THE GABION WALL MAKES SENSE WHEN IT'S A VERY STEEP BANK AND YOU GOT A LOT OF HIGH ENERGY ERODING INTO THAT. BUT SOME OF THE OTHER ONES, AS WE GET LOWER DOWN, IT MAY BE, YOU KNOW, WE CAN LOOK AT SOMETHING ALONG LIKE THE CONCRETE BAGS THAT WE'VE SEEN PLACED.

I'VE SEEN PLACEMENTS OF D SIZE BOULDERS WITH WILLOWS.

THAT SEEMS TO BE ESTHETICALLY A NICE NATURAL LOOK, BUT THOSE ARE THINGS I WOULD ADVISE AS WE MOVE FORWARD WITH TRYING TO ADDRESS THESE, THAT WE LOOK AT EACH INDIVIDUAL SITES AND COME UP WITH A REALLY ENGINEERING EVALUATION TO COME UP WITH THE BEST COST PER LINEAR FOOT TO MITIGATE THE EROSION.

BECAUSE AGAIN, WHEN WE'RE SITTING THERE LOOKING AT 1.5 MILLION FOR A LENGTH OF WALL, THAT'S A SIGNIFICANT LENGTH OF WALL THERE.

PLUS IT LOOKED LIKE IT WAS FAIRLY HIGH, 15, 15FT.

THAT'S NOT COUNTING THE FOUNDATION WORK THAT YOU HAVE TO PLACE BEFORE YOU PUT THE GABION WALL IN.

SO THAT'S ALL I'M ADVISING. I'M JUST I KNOW THIS IS AN EARLY ON ENGINEERING ESTIMATE, BUT AGAIN, AS WE MOVE THROUGH THIS, THERE'S OTHER ALTERNATIVES TO THAT.

BUT SURE. THANK YOU. YEP. BOB. HEY GOOD AFTERNOON CALEB.

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FIRST QUESTION I HAVE IS HOW MUCH LIFE DO WE GET OUT OF THAT WORK? WHEN YOU PUT IT IN, PUT IN THE WALLS OR THE MATTRESS OR WHATEVER IT IS YOU DECIDE TO DO, AND THEN ARE YOU ACCOUNTING FOR ALL THE PAVING THAT'S GOING ON UPSTREAM AND ALL THE EXTRA FLOW THAT WE'RE EXPECTING TO COME OVER THE NEXT 20, 30 YEARS? YEAH. SO LET ME TRY TO ANSWER THE FIRST ONE. SO THE LIFE OF THAT IS REALLY SIMILAR TO A ROAD, AS FAR AS IT DEPENDS ON HOW WELL IT'S MAINTAINED AND HOW MUCH TRAFFIC OR WHATEVER IT GETS.

SO IF WE PUT IN A GABION BASKET AND WE DO IT CORRECTLY, CONTRACTOR PUTS IT IN, WE SHOULD GET 30 YEARS OF LIFE FROM IT SIMILAR TO A CONCRETE ROAD.

NOW IF SOMETHING CHANGES, IF IT HAS A POTHOLE OR ONE OF THE BASKETS STARTS TO FAIL, THE SOONER WE CAN ADDRESS THAT, THE BETTER BECAUSE WE'RE GOING TO RESTABILIZE THAT.

SO IT'S VERY SIMILAR TO ROAD, BUT WE EXPECT TO GET 30 YEARS OF LIFE OUT OF THOSE.

AS FAR AS THE DRAINAGE, ALL OF OUR DRAINAGE CALCULATIONS ARE BASED ON FULLY DEVELOPED.

SO WHILE THE FLOWS MAY HAVE SEEMED TO INCREASE OVER THE YEARS AS AREAS HAVE DEVELOPED AND WE'VE ADDED CONCRETE.

WHEN THE CREEKS WERE DESIGNED IN THESE AREAS, THEY WERE DEVELOPED AS IF ALL THAT WOULD BE TURNING INTO CONCRETE AND REDEVELOPED.

SO HOPE THAT ANSWERS YOUR QUESTION ON THAT. YES IT DOES.

THANK YOU. STEVE. I'M A BELIEVER IN SOME DEGREE OF ONGOING MAINTENANCE.

AND I'M WONDERING IF BY CONCENTRATING ONLY ON THE CRITICAL, WHICH ISN'T OF ITSELF A HUGE TASK.

ARE WE MAKING THIS FAR MORE EXPENSIVE FOR OURSELVES BY IGNORING THE ONES IN THE MIDDLE? THAT IF WE TOOK STEPS NOW, WE COULD PREVENT HAVING TO HAVE YOU KNOW, MUCH MORE EXPENSIVE FIXES DOWN THE ROAD. YEAH. SO IT'S A REALLY GOOD POINT.

AND WE WE'VE HAD THE SAME DISCUSSION OF HOW MUCH DO WE MAINTAIN AND HOW MUCH DO WE GO ACTUALLY GO IN AND DO A REPLACEMENT.

WHAT WE DON'T HAVE AT THIS POINT IS A BASELINE AS FAR AS WE'VE DONE THE STUDY INITIALLY, BUT WE DO NOT KNOW HOW MUCH THIS AREA IS GOING TO CONTINUE TO ERODE. SOME OF THESE PROJECTS MAY NOT BE CRITICAL, OR THEY IF THEY'RE IN CRITICAL, THEY'RE OBVIOUSLY GOING TO STAY THERE.

BUT SOME OF THE ONES ON THE BORDER, DEPENDING ON ALL THESE CONDITIONS THAT I MENTIONED EARLIER, WE DON'T KNOW HOW MANY OF THOSE ARE GOING TO MOVE TO CRITICAL.

THE PLAN RIGHT NOW IS IN 2027. SO ABOUT FIVE YEARS AFTER INITIAL STUDY, WE WOULD COME BACK AND REWALK THE CREEKS TO SEE WHAT THE DEGRADATION RATE IS, TO SEE HOW MUCH IS CRITICAL AT THAT POINT. IF WE ADDRESS OVER THE NEXT 2 OR 3 YEARS, GET THE CRITICAL.

WE WOULD THEN HAVE FUNDING TO POTENTIALLY MOVE INTO MORE OF THE MAINTENANCE TYPE PROJECTS.

IN 2027, WE WOULD WALK THE CREEKS AGAIN AND THEN SEE WHAT OUR EROSION RATE LOOKS LIKE AND SEE IF THAT'S AN APPROPRIATE RATE TO CONTINUE.

OR DID WE ADDRESS ALL THE CRITICAL AND THEY ARE NO LONGER THERE AND THERE'S NOT AN ISSUE.

AND WE'VE GOT GREAT STREAMS. I DON'T THINK THAT'S THE CASE, BUT WE JUST DON'T KNOW HOW MUCH WE'RE GOING TO SEE FROM AN EROSION OVER THE NEXT FIVE YEARS. THANK YOU ALL. THANK YOU. MAYOR. TO GET UP TO THE 30 YEAR LIFE EXPECTANCY FOR THESE PROJECTS.

WHO'S RESPONSIBLE FOR MAINTAINING THESE? WOULD IT BE THE PRIVATE PROPERTY OWNER OR WOULD IT BE THE CITY? SO RIGHT NOW, IF WE PUT IT IN, WE ARE MAINTAINING IT. OKAY.

AND THEN DO WE HAVE ANY COST PROJECTIONS OF HOW MUCH IT IS TO MAINTAIN THOSE OVER THE YEARS? IS IT LIKE LABORERS? IS IT PATCHWORK? IT REALLY DEPENDS ON WHAT THE ISSUE IS.

IF WE HAVE A BASKET COME LOOSE, IT COULD BE AS CHEAP AS A 10 OR $15,000 FIX.

IF WE HAVE A WALL FALL DOWN, IT COULD BE A FULL REPLACEMENT.

YOU KNOW, YOU SAW SOME OF THOSE PICTURES WHERE WE HAVE PIPE EXPOSED, RIGHT? YOU KNOW, WE MAY HAVE TO GO BACK IN THERE WITH THE GABION STRUCTURE OR SOME SORT OF OTHER CONCRETE PROTECTION AROUND IT.

SO IT REALLY JUST DEPENDS ON IT'S HARD TO SAY WHAT THAT NUMBER MIGHT BE, BUT ARE WE ALLOCATING ANY BUDGET FOR THAT IN THE EVENT? BECAUSE OBVIOUSLY SOMETHING'S GOING TO BE NEED TO BE. SO WE DO PARTNER WITH PUBLIC WORKS. THEY WILL GO OUT AND DO SOME OF THAT, BUT IT'S LIMITED.

AND WE ACTUALLY DO SOME PROJECTS ON OUR END, BUT IT REALLY JUST DEPENDS ON THE LOCATION.

AND, YOU KNOW, IS THERE, IS THERE A STRUCTURE THAT'S PRESENT THAT'S IN DANGER OR WE HAVE A CONCERN ABOUT THAT.

WE NEED TO DO THIS LOCATION. RIGHT. IT JUST REALLY THERE'S SEVERAL FACTORS THAT COME INTO IT.

OKAY. AND THEN I NOTICED THERE'S A SLIDE, I THINK IT WAS 17 OR 18 THAT IT HAD THE LIST OF PROJECTS.

IF YOU CAN GO BACK THERE PLEASE. DO WE KNOW HOW MANY FROM THOSE LISTS MIGHT GO TO THE CRITICAL? ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT THIS ONE? NO. IT WAS LIKE A GRAPH CHART.

BUT MY QUESTION TO THAT SLIDE WAS, DO WE KNOW HOW MANY OF THOSE ARE GOING TO JUMP TO THE CRITICAL. WE DON'T.

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AND THAT'S WHERE UNTIL WE DO AN ADDITIONAL EVALUATION WE WON'T KNOW WHAT THAT EROSION RATE IS.

OKAY. AND THEN ANOTHER YEAR. SORRY. AND SOME OF YOUR EXAMPLES, IT SHOWED A COST OF AN ESTIMATE OF 150, AND IT SHOWED 160, 120. WHAT'S THE DISTANCE OR LENGTH OF THAT? BECAUSE THESE EXAMPLES DOESN'T REALLY SHOW TO ME HOW MUCH FOR 325,000, HOW MUCH DO WE MAINTAIN SQUARE FOOTAGE WISE.

SO I'D HAVE TO PULL THEM UP [INAUDIBLE] TO TELL YOU EACH LOCATION.

LIKE I SAID, SOME OF THESE LOCATIONS, YOU CAN SEE THE ONE ON THE LEFT THERE. THAT'S GOING TO BE A LOCATION THAT'S PROBABLY GOING TO STRETCH ACROSS MULTIPLE PROPERTIES. YOU CAN SEE BASED ON HEIGHT, BECAUSE YOU ALSO MENTIONED THERE'S 3000, BUT THOSE ARE MULTIPLE PROPERTIES WITHIN THOSE 3000. SO JUST THOSE DETAILS IS MAKING ME WANT TO REALIZE AND DRILL DOWN ON THE NUMBERS A LITTLE BIT MORE. BUT I'LL ASK QUESTIONS. MORE ON THAT.

OKAY. THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT. THANKS, CALEB. ALL RIGHT.

WE'RE GOING TO OPEN THE REGULAR MEETING, AND THEN WE'LL GET TO THE SPEAKERS.

AS SOON AS WE'LL COME RIGHT BACK TO IT. OKAY.

* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.