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[PRELIMINARY OPEN MEETING]
THE EXCEPTION OF COUNCIL MEMBER WILLIAMS AND COUNCIL MEMBER RICCIARDELLI.OH. HI, ANTHONY. HEY THERE. MAYOR. COUNCIL MEMBER RICCIARDELLI IS ON ZOOM.
THE COUNCIL WILL NOW RECESS INTO EXECUTIVE SESSION AND TRAINING ROOM A, AND TO HOLD A CLOSED EXECUTIVE MEETING PURSUANT TO THE PROVISIONS OF VERNON'S TEXAS CODES ANNOTATED GOVERNMENT CODE, CHAPTER 551. THE OPEN MEETINGS ACT IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE AUTHORITY CONTAINED IN SECTION 551.071, TO CONSULT WITH THE ATTORNEY TO RECEIVE LEGAL ADVICE AND DISCUSS LITIGATION.
THANK YOU. I NOW DECLARE THAT THE PLANO CITY COUNCIL PRELIMINARY OPEN MEETING IS RECONVENED IN OPEN SESSION, THAT ALL COUNCIL MEMBERS ARE PRESENT. COUNCIL MEMBER RICCIARDELLI WILL BE ON ZOOM.
NEXT ITEM IS DISCUSSION AND DIRECTION REGARDING THE REQUEST FOR EXTENSION OF LINE OF DUTY LEAVE.
WHICH SIDE ARE YOU ON, BRIAN? ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU.
THIS IS BRIAN, FIREFIGHTER BRIAN SHELTON, AND ON JANUARY THE 30TH, 2024, HE WAS CARRYING A BUNDLE OF HOSE UPSTAIRS AND THE HOSE GOT HUNG UP, WOUND UP INJURING HIS SHOULDER AS A RESULT OF THAT.
WENT THROUGH THE NORMAL REHAB PROCESS, AND IT SHOULDER WASN'T RIGHT.
SO HE WOUND UP HAVING A SECOND SHOULDER SURGERY.
OR HAD HIS FIRST SHOULDER SURGERY WAS ON MARCH 22ND, 2024.
HE HAD A SECOND ONE ON SEPTEMBER 25TH. 2024. SAME THING AGAIN.
AND THAT WAS ON FEBRUARY 5TH, 2025. AND SO COMING UP ON IN ON MARCH 22ND, THAT WILL BE ONE YEAR SINCE THE ORIGINAL SURGERY. AND SO ACCORDING TO CIVIL SERVICE.
143 073 WE'VE GIVEN HIM FULL, FULL PAY FOR THAT INITIAL YEAR THERE IN OUR REQUEST IS THAT WE EXTEND THAT A SECOND YEAR AND THE SAME. SO, I MEAN LOCAL GOVERNMENT CODE.
143 073B IT SAYS THAT, THAT YOU HAVE THE ABILITY TO EXTEND THAT FOR, FOR ONE YEAR, WHICH WOULD BE THE EQUIVALENT OF MAKING UP THE 30% DIFFERENCE BETWEEN WHAT WORKER'S COMP WAS ALREADY GOING TO GIVE HIM FOR THIS COMING YEAR AND AND WHAT IT WOULD NEED, WHAT WE'D NEED TO MAKE IT 100%. I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT IT.
ANY QUESTIONS? RYAN, I HOPE YOU HEAL UP AND DO WELL, SORRY IT'S BEEN SO LONG, BUT WE WISH YOU THE BEST. THANK YOU.
MOTION TO APPROVE THE EXTENSION. OKAY, I'LL SECOND THAT.
WE'RE GOING TO DO A HAND VOTE. IS THAT OKAY? [INAUDIBLE] .
OH, HERE WE GO. OKAY. THERE WE GO. SO I HAVE A MOTION TO SECOND TO EXTEND THE LINE OF DUTY FOR.
THANK YOU. THANK YOU. GOOD LUCK. THE.
NEXT ITEM IS THE COMPREHENSIVE MONTHLY FINANCIAL REPORT.
[INAUDIBLE]. GOOD EVENING. IT SEEMS LIKE I WAS JUST HERE GIVING YOU SEPTEMBER'S REPORT.
OKAY. [INAUDIBLE]. YOU MOVE THEM FOR ME? OKAY.
THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT. THIS SLIDE REPRESENTS REVENUES COMPARED TO THE BUDGET BY FUND.
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THE GENERAL FUND HAS REVENUES OF 103.4 MILLION FOR THE FIRST QUARTER OF THE FISCAL YEAR.THIS REPRESENTS 29.4% OF THE TOTAL ANNUAL BUDGET.
THIS SLIDE REPRESENTS OUR EXPENDITURES COMPARED TO BUDGET BY FUND.
THE GENERAL FUND HAS EXPENDITURES OF 81.9 MILLION FOR THE FIRST QUARTER OF THE FISCAL YEAR.
THAT REPRESENTS 23.4% OF THE TOTAL ANNUAL BUDGET.
THIS SLIDE REPRESENTS OUR NET CHANGE IN FUND BALANCE FOR THE PAST THREE YEARS IN THE GENERAL FUND.
FOR THE FIRST QUARTER OF THE FISCAL YEAR, THE FUND BALANCE HAS INCREASED BY 17.1 MILLION.
AS YOU CAN SEE, THIS IS MORE THAN FAVORABLE THAN IT'S BEEN IN THE LAST COUPLE OF YEARS AND THEN THE WATER AND SEWER FUND BALANCE HAS INCREASED BY 8.4 MILLION AND THIS IS ALSO MORE FAVORABLE. SO WE'RE TRENDING PRETTY WELL IN BOTH OF THOSE FUNDS.
THERE WAS AN INCREASE IN PROPERTY TAX REVENUE OF 9 MILLION.
WE ALSO SAW AN INCREASE IN LICENSES AND PERMITS OVER THE PRIOR FIRST QUARTER BY 1.2 MILLION.
AND OUR GENERAL FUND EXPENDITURES ARE LOWER THAN THE FIRST QUARTER OF THE PRIOR YEAR BY 1.6 MILLION.
AND WE ALSO HAD MATERIALS AND SUPPLIES DECREASE BY $978,000.
AND IT'S BECAUSE OF THE COST CUTTING MEASURES THAT WE HAVE PUT IN PLACE.
THE HEALTH CLAIMS FUND HAD A DECREASE IN FUND BALANCE OF ABOUT 127,000.
OUR UNEMPLOYMENT RATES IN DECEMBER WERE AT 3.2%.
THIS IS DOWN FROM THE 3.6% THEY WERE IN SEPTEMBER.
AND OUR SALES TAX FOR THE MONTH OF NOVEMBER WERE UP COMPARED TO THE PRIOR YEAR.
YOU'RE GOOD. OUR SALES TAX FOR THE MONTH OF NOVEMBER WERE UP COMPARED TO THE PRIOR YEAR BY 3.38%.
ON OUR REAL ESTATE MARKET RECAP, WE SHOW THE NUMBER OF DAYS ON THE MARKET WAS 32 DAYS IN SEPTEMBER, WHICH ROSE TO 47 DAYS IN DECEMBER, SO PRETTY SUBSTANTIAL INCREASE FOR DAYS ON MARKET.
THE PERCENTAGE OF ASKING WAS 98.1% IN SEPTEMBER, AND THAT DECREASED IN DECEMBER TO 97%.
THE MEDIAN SELLING PRICE FOR A HOME IN PLANO WAS $537,000 IN DECEMBER.
THIS IS UP COMPARED TO THE 519,000 THAT WE HAD IN SEPTEMBER.
THE PRICE PER SQUARE FOOT IN DECEMBER WAS 225, WHICH IS THE SAME AS IT WAS IN SEPTEMBER.
HOTEL OCCUPANCY TAX IS UP BY 18,000 COMPARED TO THE PRIOR FISCAL YEAR.
AND THEN THIS IS OUR EQUITY AND TREASURY POOL.
OF COURSE THE LARGEST PORTION IS ALWAYS CAPITAL.
PROJECTS WILL BE SELLING, WILL BE ISSUING SOME MORE DEBT, AND SO THAT THAT WILL BECOME A GREATER PORTION, AS IN JUNE WHEN WE GET THE PROCEEDS FROM THE BONDS AND OUR PORTFOLIO MATURITIES.
AS YOU CAN SEE, WE HAVE A LOT OF LIQUIDITY AT 42.8% IN THE 0 TO 1 YEAR CATEGORY.
BUT WE NEED TO BE CAUTIOUS TO CONTINUE THE WAY THAT WE LADDER OUR CASH.
AND THEN THIS IS OUR PORTFOLIO DIVERSIFICATION.
THANK YOU. ANY QUESTIONS FOR DENISE. ALL RIGHT.
OUR NEXT ITEM IS SALES TAX SOURCING. DOUG.
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RELATED TO SALES TAX AND CURRENT LEGISLATION.AS YOU ALL REMEMBER, ABOUT TWO YEARS AGO, WE WORKED THROUGH A PROCESS TO ADOPT A NEW POLICY STATEMENT FOR ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT INCENTIVES. THE POLICY STATEMENT DOES NOT GET INTO THE SPECIFICS OF TOOLS THAT WE USE, BUT IT DOES GIVE US THAT FRAMEWORK FOR HOW WE UTILIZE THE INCENTIVE PROGRAM HERE IN THE CITY OF PLANO.
AS PART OF A SEPARATE PROCESS, WE'VE BEEN DOING THE FISCAL ROADMAP INITIATIVE. YOU ALL ARE VERY FAMILIAR WITH TO IDENTIFY NEW REVENUE SOURCES AND WE'VE IDENTIFIED TWO STAFF SOURCES FROM ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT STANDPOINT, INCENTIVE TOOLS THAT MAY BE ABLE TO BE USED FOR FUTURE PROJECTS.
WE DON'T NEED TO AMEND THE CURRENT POLICY TO ADD THESE IN THERE, BUT THIS IS SOMETHING WE CAN BE CONSIDERED ON A CASE BY CASE BASIS WHEN WE BRING PROJECTS BEFORE YOU DURING EXECUTIVE SESSION. THE TWO PROJECTS ARE TWO TOOLS WE WANT TO PRESENT TO YOU TONIGHT.
THE SECOND IS SALES TAX SOURCING FOR INDIVIDUAL BUSINESSES.
SO COUNCIL SEPARATED MATERIALS SALES TAX. SO KIND OF DESCRIBING THIS IS DURING THE CONSTRUCTION PROCESS, A COMPANY CAN CHOOSE TO WORK WITH THE TEXAS COMPTROLLER'S OFFICE AND THE CITY TO SOURCE THE SALES TAX FOR CONSTRUCTION MATERIALS TO A SPECIFIC CITY.
SO THROUGH A MATERIAL SALES TAX AGREEMENT THAT WE MAY HAVE WITH THE COMPANY, THE CITY CAN COLLECT SALES TAX REVENUE OFF THE CONSTRUCTION MATERIALS AS PART OF THIS ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT INCENTIVE. SO KIND OF HOW IT WORKS.
INSTEAD OF PAYING THE SALES TAX TO THE OUTSIDE ENTITY, THE CONTRACTOR PROVIDES A RESALE CERTIFICATE TO THE ENTITY WHICH ALLOWS IT TO BE TAX EXEMPT AT THAT POINT. THE CONTRACTOR IS REALLY TREATED AS A RETAILER, AND THEY THEN CHARGE, COLLECT AND REPORT THE SALES TAX AT THE JOB SITE HERE IN PLANO.
DESIGNATING PLANO AS THE SOURCE FOR THAT SALES TAX FOR THE CONSTRUCTION MATERIALS.
SO AGAIN, THIS IS A WAY FOR US SPECIFICALLY WITH NEW CONSTRUCTION PROJECTS THAT WE CAN COLLECT SALES TAX ON THE CONSTRUCTION MATERIALS THAT WE'RE NOT COLLECTING TODAY ON BIGGER PROJECTS. THIS IS KIND OF MORE OF A VISUAL SHOWING, KIND OF THE TRADITIONAL APPROACH.
WHAT WE UTILIZE PRIMARILY TODAY IS THE CONTRACTOR PROVIDING BUYING THE MATERIALS FROM A POINT OF SALE, SO SOME OTHER JURISDICTION. WITH THE MATERIALS SEPARATED APPROACH, THE CONTRACTOR WILL ISSUE THAT SALES CERTIFICATE TO THE POINT OF SALE SO THAT NO SALES TAX IS COLLECTED AT THAT JURISDICTION. THE CONTRACTOR THEN BRINGS THAT SALES TAX CERTIFICATE BACK HERE TO CITY OF PLANO.
TO BE ABLE TO COLLECT THAT HERE IN THE CITY OF PLANO.
WHAT THIS DOES, THOUGH, I TELL YOU, IS THE BURDEN REALLY THE BURDEN REALLY ON THIS APPROACH IS ON THE CONTRACTOR AND ON THE TEXAS COMPTROLLER'S OFFICE TO HANDLE THAT ADMINISTRATION OF THE PROCESS, HANDLE THE ADMINISTRATION OF THE SOURCING OF THE MATERIALS, THE HEAVY LIFT, BECAUSE IT'S ON THE CONTRACTOR.
BUT IF WE WERE TO BE ABLE TO COLLECT THOSE, TO BE ABLE TO KIND OF PROVIDE SOME RELIEF FOR THE ADMINISTRATION BURDEN OF THOSE, THE ADMINISTRATION SIDE OF THINGS. WE DO HAVE THE ABILITY AS PART OF OUR ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT IMPACTS THAT WE PROVIDE TO YOU ALL, TO TAKE A LOOK AT THIS SPECIFIC LINE ITEM TO SHOW YOU WHAT THE PROJECTED INCREASE IN SALES TAX COULD BE RELATED TO THE NEW CONSTRUCTION THAT YOU ALL COULD TAKE IN FOR CONSIDERATION.
COUNCIL MEMBER HORNE. THANK YOU. A COUPLE OF THINGS HERE.
JUST FOR CLARIFICATION, WHEN YOU SAY NEW CONSTRUCTION, DOES THAT ALSO SAY RECONSTRUCTION OF EXISTING FACILITIES LIKE NEW FIT OUT, ETC.? SO WHAT WE WOULD HAVE BEEN TOLD FROM CONTRACTORS AND FROM THE STATE IS THAT GENERALLY WHEN THERE'S A KIND OF RENOVATION, LIKE A SECOND GENERATION OF A USE, A LOT OF TIMES THAT IS REQUIRED BY THE STATE IS TO ACTUALLY SOURCE THAT LOCALLY.
SO WE DO COLLECT SOME OF THOSE SALES TAX. THIS IS REALLY FOR NEW CONSTRUCTION. NEW CONSTRUCTION.
LIKE, LET'S SAY, IF WE'RE BUILDING A NEW HOTEL OR A NEW OFFICE BUILDING, THAT'S WHEN THIS TOOL REALLY COMES INTO PLAY, BECAUSE THAT DOES NOT REQUIRE TO BE SOURCED THROUGH THE CITY OF PLANO. OKAY. THE SECOND ONE IS TIED TO THE NEW CONSTRUCTION, PARTICULARLY WHEN YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT MATERIALS AND A LOT OF TIMES THE MATERIALS THAT WE ARE THE CONSTRUCTOR IS ACQUIRING IS FROM OUT OF STATE.
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BECAUSE WE'RE BASICALLY PULLING THAT INTO OUR LITTLE CITY? THAT'S CORRECT. AND THAT'S SOME STATES WILL RECOGNIZE OUR SALES TAX, SOME WILL NOT. SO IT MAY NOT BE APPLICABLE FOR ALL STATES WHEREVER THEY'RE SOURCING THEIR MATERIALS. I'LL TELL YOU COUNCIL, THIS IS SOMETHING THAT COULD BE HAPPENING TO US THAT WE JUST AREN'T AWARE OF.THAT MATERIALS ARE BEING SOURCED OUT OF PLANO INTO OTHER JURISDICTIONS. SO IT IS SOMETHING TO TAKE CONSIDERATION THAT THE CITIES THERE COULD BE POTENTIAL LOSS OF REVENUE IN OTHER CITIES. BUT AGAIN, THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE'RE ALSO HAVING TO TAKE IN CONSIDERATION OF WHAT COULD BE POTENTIALLY LOST HERE IN PLANO. OKAY. SO AGAIN THE SAME EXAMPLE, BUT SAY WITHIN THE CITY OF OR IN THE STATE OF TEXAS, THAT WE PULL SOMETHING FROM A SMALL COMMUNITY THAT HAS A MANUFACTURING FACILITY THAT MAKES MECHANICAL SYSTEMS. OKAY, WE PULL THAT IN HERE.
THAT CITY IS RELIANT ON THE TAX REVENUE FROM THE SALE OF THAT AND IT'S A SMALL CITY.
DO YOU SEE THERE'S GOING TO BE SOME CONFLICT THERE BETWEEN, YOU KNOW, THAT PERCEPTION OF US PULLING IN THAT SALES TAX VERSUS THAT SMALL CITY REALIZING IT. YOU KNOW, CITY COUNCIL, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WHEN YOU'RE LOOKING AT THESE PROJECTS, THERE'S ALWAYS AN IMPACT ON PLANO AND THERE COULD BE ALSO A NEGATIVE IMPACT ON A NEIGHBORING CITY. WE LOOK AT THIS FROM JOB CREATION.
WE LOOK AT IT FROM CORPORATIONS MOVING AND COMING HERE TO PLANO.
I WILL SAY THIS IS A ONE OF THE THINGS WE LOOK AT IS IT'S A IT'S A PLANO PROJECT.
AND SO WE WANT TO TRY TO CAPTURE AS MUCH REVENUE AS POSSIBLE ON PLANO PROJECTS AND YOU ALL SEE THAT WHEN OUR IMPACT INVESTMENT ASSESSMENTS WE DO IT'S JUST ANOTHER PIECE THAT WE COULD TAKE A LOOK AT OF COLLECTING ADDITIONAL REVENUE. THAT'S NOT WE'RE NOT BEING COLLECTING TODAY.
COUNCILMEMBER WILLIAMS ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU, MAYOR.
THANK YOU. DOUG. FIRST QUESTION IS SO RECOGNIZING THAT SOME CONSTRUCTION MATERIALS ARE GOING TO BE SUBJECT TO SALES TAX OUTSIDE OUR JURISDICTION, NORMALLY, HOW MUCH OF CONSTRUCTION MATERIALS ARE ACTUALLY SUBJECT TO SALES TAX.
OKAY. THAT WOULD BE MATERIAL PUN FULLY INTENDED.
AND I GOT TO ASK WOULD THE SEPARATED MATERIALS SALES TAX BE SUBJECT TO THE DART PENNY? IT WOULD. SO WE WOULD ONLY HAVE THAT $0.01 PORTION OF IT.
WE DO WANT TO AT LEAST BE ABLE TO PUT IT ON THE TABLE.
IF THERE'S PROJECTS WE COULD TAKE A LOOK IN CONSIDERATION.
I KNOW THERE'S PROJECTS WE BRING TO YOU WHERE THEY'RE REALLY HEAVY ON THE IMPACT OF SALES TAX.
I THINK THIS IS WHERE WE COULD USE SOME OF THESE, THESE TOOLS TO BE ABLE TO MINIMIZE WHAT WE'RE HAVING ON OUR ED FUND AND USING A DIFFERENT TOOL THAT WE'RE THAT IS REBATING WHAT COULD BE COMING IN AS PART OF THE PROJECT.
THAT'S CORRECT. OKAY. THANK YOU. SO, MAYOR PRO TEM.
YES. SO ARE THERE ANY OTHER CITIES WHO ARE CURRENTLY USING THIS TOOL TO INCREASE THEIR SALES TAX REVENUE? YES, MA'AM. ARE THEY OUR NEIGHBORING CITIES? THEY. YES, MA'AM. THEY ARE AND THERE'S SEVERAL CITIES HERE IN NORTH TEXAS THAT UTILIZE THIS PROGRAM.
SO WE'RE NOT GOING TO BE THE FIRST ONE WHO'S UTILIZING THIS METHOD OF TRYING TO GENERATE MORE REVENUE FOR OUR CITY, IS THAT RIGHT? NO, MA'AM. THIS IS A TOOL THAT'S BEEN USED HERE IN NORTH TEXAS QUITE A BIT. THANK YOU. IN FACT, WE'RE A LITTLE BIT LATE TO THE GAME. WE'RE A LITTLE BIT LATE. IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE SAYING? YES. OKAY REAL QUICK, NEXT TOOL, A LITTLE BIT SIMPLER.
THIS IS LOOKING AT JUST INDIVIDUAL CELL SITE SOURCING FOR COMPANIES.
TO THE CITY, TO THE CITY OF PLANO. THIS IS SOMETHING WE COULD LOOK AT AS PART OF AN INCENTIVE IF WE'RE A PROJECT HERE IN PLANO, A COMPANY HERE IN PLANO IS LOOKING TO EXPAND OR TO INCREASE THEIR POTENTIAL SALES TAX.
AS YOU ALL KNOW, YOU WERE ABLE TO SEE THE CONTRIBUTIONS OF SALES TAX ON OUR IMPACT REPORTS THAT WE MAY BE ABLE TO SAY, HEY, WE'LL DO SOMETHING HERE IF WE CAN ENSURE THAT THE FULL SALES TAX OF ALL YOUR REMOTE AND ON SITE SALES ARE ACTUALLY COMING TO THE CITY OF PLANO AND NOT OTHER JURISDICTIONS AND SO THIS IS ONE THAT YOU KNOW, WE ARE TAKING A CLOSE LOOK AS WE REALLY ANDREW'S SIDE OF THINGS ON GOVERNMENT RELATIONS TO MAKE SURE THAT IF THIS RULE DOES CHANGE, BECAUSE THERE HAVE BEEN SEVERAL DIFFERENT ITERATIONS OF THIS RULE THAT WE'RE CONSIDERING IN MAKING SURE OUR AGREEMENTS ALIGN WITH THE CURRENT LAW ALLOWS US TO DO SO. AGAIN, THIS WOULD BE AN EXAMPLE OF A WAREHOUSE DISTRIBUTION CENTER IN PLANO HAVING BOTH THEIR
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POINT OF SALES FOR ON SITE AND REMOTE BUSINESSES COMING HERE TO THE CITY OF PLANO AND THEN COUNCIL.REALLY DIRECTION WE'RE SEEKING TONIGHT IS JUST YOUR INTEREST IN UTILIZING THESE TOOLS.
I KNOW I HAVE A FOLLOW UP QUESTION WITH COUNCILMEMBER WILLIAMS REGARDING THE, SEPARATED MATERIALS, BUT THESE ARE TWO TOOLS AGAIN THAT CAN CAPTURE NEW SALES TAX REVENUE.
THERE ARE TOOLS BEING USED BY OTHER NEIGHBORING CITIES. WE DO POTENTIALLY NEED A PARTNERSHIP WHEN WE DO IMPLEMENT THESE TOOLS TO ACTUALLY ENCOURAGE EITHER THE COMPANY OR THE CONTRACTOR TO ACTUALLY GO FOR THAT PROCESS.
WHEN WE DO UTILIZE THIS, WE WILL WORK REALLY CLOSELY WITH OUR FINANCE AND BUDGET DEPARTMENTS.
ESPECIALLY AS SALES TAX SOURCING, THAT COULD BE A ONE TIME IMPACT ON OUR BUDGET.
WE WANT TO MAKE SURE IT'S NOT CALCULATED IN A FUTURE ESTIMATES OF THAT POTENTIAL PROJECT.
WE ALSO MAY LOOK INTO AUDIT ASSISTANCE AS WELL TO HELP OUT WITH FINANCE DEPARTMENT. A LOT OF OUR NEIGHBORING CITIES UTILIZE AN OUTSOURCE ASSISTANT TO HELP OUT WITH THE AUDITING OF A LOT OF THESE RECEIPTS FOR THE CONTRACTOR. COUNCIL, I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY OTHER QUESTIONS YOU MAY HAVE.
OKAY. COUNCILMEMBER WILLIAMS. YEAH. ME AGAIN.
DOUG. THANK YOU. SO FOR THE SALES TAX SOURCING, WHAT QUALIFIES AS REMOTE BUSINESS AND HERE I'M THINKING OF HEADQUARTERS IN PLANO WITH RETAIL OPERATIONS THROUGHOUT THE STATE. YEAH AND I'M GONNA BRING ANDREW UP HERE.
I KNOW THERE'S BEEN QUITE A BIT OF CASE LAW ON THIS AND DISCUSSIONS PARTICULARLY WITH, YOU KNOW, DOES A SERVER IN A DATA CENTER COUNT OF COLLECTING SALES TAX COMPARED TO AN ON SITE PHYSICAL BUSINESS.
I'LL LET ANDREW REAL QUICK TO ANSWER THAT QUESTION.
SO THE CONTROLLER, IF YOU COULD IMAGINE, REALLY DOES NOT PREFER TO WORK THROUGH THESE ISSUES WHEN HE'S DOING THE ADMINISTRATION AND COLLECTION OF THE SALES TAX, HE SEES IT AS A CITY TO CITY ISSUE. I'M NOT A NET BENEFIT TO THE STATE CURRENTLY.
YOU WOULD HAVE A GREAT EXAMPLE WOULD BE A MEDICAL WAREHOUSE DISTRICT THAT SELLS MEDICAL SUPPLIES, AND THOSE ARE DISTRIBUTED OUT TO HOSPITALS ALL ACROSS THE STATE.
THAT FACILITY WOULD NEED TO MEET SEVERAL CRITERIA.
ONE MIGHT BE A CALL CENTER WHERE YOU HAVE EMPLOYEES THERE AT A DESK TAKING CALLS AND ORDERS.
ANOTHER MIGHT BE CONTRACTORS OR SALES REPS FROM HOSPITALS COULD WALK IN AND PLACE AN ORDER THERE.
A SIMPLE WAREHOUSE OR DISTRIBUTION CENTER ALONE WOULD NOT MAKE THE CUT.
THAT WE ESTABLISH WHAT THOSE LINES WERE. AND WITH ALL AGREEMENTS LIKE THAT, IF NO MONEY IS.
QUALIFIED TO COME IN, WE'RE NOT OUT ANY MONEY EITHER.
BUT TO ECHO HIS COMMENTS, YOU KNOW. IT'S SOMETHING THAT THE STATE HAS USED.
CITIES ACROSS THE STATE HAVE USED FOR DECADES.
IT'S REALLY AN INNOVATIVE TOOL. AND WHEN WE TALK ABOUT FISCAL ROADMAP AND WAYS THAT WE CAN BE MORE INNOVATIVE AS WE'RE BUILDING OUT, IT IS SOMETHING IT IS A LITTLE BIT OF A CITY AGAINST CITY DISCUSSION.
I KNOW DEPUTY MAYOR PRO TEM HOLMER AND I WERE AT A HTML MEETING WHERE WE DISCUSSED SOME OF THE EVOLUTION OF THIS, BUT IT HAS BEEN THE STATE OF PLAY AND HOW BUSINESS HAS MOVED IN THE STATE FOR A WHILE.
AND SO I STRONGLY RECOMMEND THAT THE COUNCIL CONSIDER APPROVING.
SO THIS WOULD BE SOMETHING THAT AGAIN COMES BACK AS PART OF THE CONSIDERATION THAT COUNCIL LOOKS AT.
AGAIN, SO THIS IS SOMETHING THAT IS WIDELY USED IN THE STATE FROM OTHER CITIES AND SO IT'S JUST ADDING THE TOOLS TO THE TOOLBOX AND IT STILL COMES BACK TO COUNCIL FOR THEIR ULTIMATE APPROVAL AS PART OF OUR NORMAL CONSIDERATION.
THANK YOU MARK. THANK YOU. IS EVERYBODY OKAY WITH ADDING THESE INCENTIVES INTO THE TOOLBOX? ALL RIGHT. THANKS, DOUG. ALL RIGHT. NEXT ITEM IS DISCUSSION AND REVIEW OF THE 25 THROUGH 2029 FIVE YEAR CONSOLIDATED PLAN PROPOSED PRIORITY GOALS.
CURTIS. ALL RIGHT. GOOD EVENING. MAYOR. COUNCIL.
PLEASE EXCUSE MY VOICE AS I'M TRYING TO GET OVER A LITTLE BUG HERE.
SO I'M HERE TONIGHT TO TO GO OVER AT LEAST TALK TO YOU ABOUT OUR DRAFT PROPOSAL FOR THE NEW CONSOLIDATION PLAN FOR THE NEXT FIVE YEARS. SO AS YOU'RE WELL AWARE OF, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE DO IS WE GET GRANT FUNDING FROM THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT, FROM HUD. WE ARE GOING ABOUT WITH THE ASSUMPTION THAT WE ARE GOING TO CONTINUE GETTING THAT FUNDING AND WE GET CDBG FUNDS APPROXIMATELY LAST YEAR AND ABOUT THE AMOUNT OF ABOUT 1.5 MILLION, AND ALSO HOME FUNDS IN THE AMOUNT OF ABOUT $600,000.
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ONE OF THREE HUD OBJECTIVES, AND THINGS LIKE DECENT HOUSING, SUITABLE LIVING ENVIRONMENT AND EXPAND ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT OPPORTUNITIES FOR LOW AND MODERATE INCOME PERSONS. JUST A LITTLE BIT ON HOW THIS WORKS IS CDBG FUNDS HAVE SPECIFIC USES.AS YOU CAN SEE, WE CAN USE APPROXIMATELY 20% OF IT FOR ADMINISTRATIVE COSTS, 15% FOR PUBLIC SERVICES AND THEN THE REMAINING 65% FOR NONPUBLIC SERVICES ON HOME FUNDS. A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT.
YOU CAN USE THE UP TO 10% FOR ADMINISTRATIVE COSTS, A MINIMUM OF 15% FOR A KYOTO AND THEN OTHER HOUSING ACTIVITIES. THAT WOULD BE UP TO 75%. SO THE PURPOSE OF THIS CONSOLIDATION PLAN. SO ONE OF THE THINGS WE'RE LOOKING AT IS THIS PROVIDES A FRAMEWORK BY HUD FOR CITIES WHO ARE GETTING THIS SORT OF MONEY TO KIND OF COME UP WITH AND ASSESS THEIR NEEDS.
IT ALSO PROVIDES THE ABILITY TO DO SOME STRATEGIC PLANNING.
THAT WAY YOU CAN USE, YOU KNOW, THE DATA THAT WE GET FROM HUD, BECAUSE THAT DATA COMES FROM HUD TO MAKE DATA DRIVEN DECISIONS ON HOW YOU'RE GOING TO USE FEDERAL FUNDS. COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT IS PART OF THIS PROCESS AND SO ONE OF THE THINGS THAT THE CITIES ARE ENCOURAGED TO DO IS TO REACH OUT AND MAKE SURE YOU GET INFORMATION AND INPUT FROM YOUR CITIZENS AS TO WHAT THEY NEED.
WHAT ARE THE NEEDS OF THE COMMUNITY? AND THEN ALSO COORDINATION OF RESOURCES, BECAUSE THESE ARE TWO DIFFERENT PROGRAMS AND THEY'VE GOT TWO DIFFERENT, YOU KNOW, RULES AND REGULATIONS ON HOW THEY WORK.
THIS IS A WAY OF OF PROVIDING A FRAMEWORK TO HOPEFULLY WORK THESE THESE FUNDS TOGETHER.
AND THEN FINALLY ACCOUNTABILITY. SO ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT IS EVERY YEAR WE COME UP WITH AN ACTION PLAN AND A CAPER TO TELL YOU WHAT OUR PLAN OR WHAT THE PLAN IS FOR. THESE FUNDS GET COUNCIL INPUT AND THEN ALSO COME BACK AT THE END AND LET YOU KNOW HOW WE SPENT THIS FUND, THE FUNDS. SO THE TIMELINE OF THIS PROCESS. SO AS TONIGHT, THIS IS GOING TO BE YOUR FIRST CHANCE TO GIVE INPUT ON WHAT YOU BELIEVE THAT THESE GOALS SHOULD BE BASED ON THE RECOMMENDATIONS BY STAFF HERE IN ABOUT SIX WEEKS, WE'LL COME BACK WITH THE FINAL VERSION FOR THE PUBLIC REQUIRED PUBLIC HEARING AND ADOPTION. IN JULY, WE'LL HAVE OUR FIRST ACTION PLAN FOR YEAR ONE.
AND THEN FINALLY, THE THE WHOLE PROCESS HAS TO BE AT LEAST RIGHT NOW, COMPLETED BY THE MIDDLE OF AUGUST AND SOME OF THE YOU KNOW, AS WE WENT THROUGH AND LOOKED AT THE DATA, YOU KNOW, THE NEEDS THAT PLANO HAS ARE, YOU KNOW, NOT NEW TO ANYBODY IN THIS ROOM, AS YOU SEE.
ONE OF COURSE, THE ISSUES THAT WE HAVE IS THE AGE OF OUR HOUSING STOCK.
SO WHAT WE HAVE HERE IS A THE BLUE REPRESENTS HOMES OR HOUSING STOCK IN PLANO THAT HAVE REACHED AT LEAST 25 YEARS. SO THERE'S AT LEAST BUILT BY 2000 AND THEN ON TOP OF THAT, WHAT WE'VE LAID OVER, THAT IS KIND OF A METRIC THERE TO DETERMINE IN THOSE NEIGHBORHOODS HOW MUCH OF THAT POPULATION IS LOW TO MODERATE INCOME AND IF YOU LOOK THE GREEN AREAS, YOU KNOW, 40, BASICALLY 41 TO 51% OF THE RESIDENTS IN THOSE AREAS ARE LOW TO MODERATE INCOME.
AS YOU HIT THAT YELLOW, THAT GOES UP TO 51 TO 69%, ALMOST 70% AND THEN THOSE THE VERY FEW AREAS THAT ARE GOLD, THEY'RE 70 TO 100% OF THOSE PEOPLE FALL WITHIN THAT CATEGORY OF LOW TO MODERATE INCOME AS DEFINED BY HUD.
SO IN ADDITION TO THE, YOU KNOW, AGING STOCK THAT WE HAVE, WE ALSO HAVE COST BURDEN.
SO THIS MAP KIND OF GIVES YOU AN IDEA OF THOSE HOUSEHOLDS THAT ARE PAYING AND THE WAY HUD DEFINES THAT IS AT LEAST 30% OF THEIR THEIR INCOME TO HOUSING, INCLUDING, YOU KNOW, WHETHER IT'S MORTGAGE TAXES, INSURANCE.
AND IF YOU AND IF YOU HIT AT LEAST THE 30% LEVEL, YOU'RE CONSIDERED COST BURDEN BY HUD.
SO THE LIGHTER SHADE AREAS, THEY ARE THOSE AREAS ARE PAYING AT LEAST OR LESS THAN 30%.
AND AS THE SCALE DARK GETS MORE DARK TO THE DARK BLUE, YOU SEE HOW MANY PEOPLE ARE PAYING A MUCH GREATER PORTION OF THEIR MONTHLY INCOME TOWARDS HOUSING COSTS AND THEN AFFORDABLE RENTAL SUPPLY.
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BELOW THE ANNUAL MEDIAN INCOME OF 50% OR LESSOR AREA MEDIAN INCOME.I'M SORRY. SO THOSE ARE SOME OF THE NEEDS THAT THE DATA IS SHOWING THAT WE GET FROM HUD AND LIKE I SAID, IN ADDITION TO THAT, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE DO IS WE REACH OUT TO THE CITIZENS AND GET COMMUNITY INPUT AS TO WHAT WE NEED. SO THE WAY WE'VE DONE THIS IS WE'VE HAD FOCUS GROUPS WITH SOME OF OUR NONPROFIT PARTNERS.
AS FAR AS THE LET ME GO BACK HERE AS FAR AS THE SOCIAL SERVICES ASPECT, YOU KNOW, WHAT WE'VE DONE IS WE'VE TALKED TO THE COLLIN COUNTY HOMELESS COALITION, GOT INPUT FROM THEM, OTHER GROUPS THAT INVOLVE OTHER SOCIAL SERVICE AREAS, SECTORS HERE IN PLANO AND THEN WE'RE IN THE PROCESS OF WORKING THROUGH CONNECT PLANO AND WITHIN THOSE GROUPS, WE'VE GOTTEN FEEDBACK AS TO WHAT WE NEED HERE IN PLANO.
AND IF YOU LOOK AT THE WHAT THE SERVICE PROVIDERS, WHAT THEIR EMPHASIS IS AFFORDABLE HOUSING, SHARED TYPE HOUSING, PERMANENT SUPPORTIVE HOUSING, INCOME BASED HOUSING, TAX CREDITS, THAT SORT OF THING.
AND WE'LL TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THAT. SPECIALIZED CASE MANAGEMENT, LOW BARRIER SYSTEMS. YOU KNOW, ONE OF THE PROBLEMS THAT THEY SEE IS FOR PEOPLE WHO ARE COMING OUT OF PRISON OR HAVE FELONIES OR CRIMINAL BACKGROUNDS THAT CAN'T GET INTO HOUSING OR HAVE OTHER HURDLES THAT THEY HAVE TO GET OVER. YOUTH SERVICES, AND THEN THAT PUBLIC FACILITIES AND INFRASTRUCTURE PORTION OR A RESOURCE CENTER, A HOMELESS SHELTER, SPECIAL NEEDS SHELTERS AND ALTERNATIVE SHELTERS ARE SOME OF THE SUGGESTIONS WE GOT.
SO GOING FROM THE SERVICE PROVIDERS OVER TO THE CITIZEN RESPONSES, YOU KNOW, WE HAD OVER ALMOST 1200 SURVEY RESPONSES AND OVER 100 ATTENDEES AT THE MEETINGS AND ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE HAD, WE HAD ABOUT A 54% INCREASE IN RESPONSES SINCE WE DID THIS ELECTRONICALLY AND YOU CAN SEE FROM THE DIAGRAM THERE WE GOT A FAIRLY DECENT REPRESENTATION THROUGHOUT THE CITY OF PLANO FROM PEOPLE WHO RESPONDED AND AS YOU CAN IMAGINE, THE THE RESPONSES FROM CITIZENS ARE MORE HOME CENTRIC.
SO REPAIR ASSISTANCE, AFFORDABLE RENTAL HOUSING, AFFORDABLE HOMEOWNERSHIP OPPORTUNITIES, AFFORDABLE HOUSING FOR SPECIAL NEEDS POPULATION, THE PUBLIC SERVICES THAT CAME UP, THE THEMES THAT CAME UP INCLUDED SENIOR CITIZENS, SENIOR SERVICES, TRANSPORTATION SERVICES, YOUTH AGAIN, YOUTH SERVICES COMBINATION IS ONE OF THE THINGS WE SAW IN BOTH GROUPS.
DOMESTIC VIOLENCE, MENTAL HEALTH CONTINUES TO BE A BIG ISSUE.
ALSO PUBLIC FACILITIES AND INFRASTRUCTURE, PARKS, PLAYGROUNDS, STREETS, INFRASTRUCTURE, SENIOR CENTERS, RESOURCE CENTERS AND THEN ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT, JOB TRAINING, SMALL BUSINESS LOANS, AND JOB CREATION AND RETENTION WERE THEMES THAT CAME OUT OF THAT SURVEY. SO ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE WANTED TO DO IS WE UNDERSTOOD THAT COUNCIL OVER THE PAST FEW YEARS HAS IN THE LAST FIVE YEAR PLAN, HAS HAD SOME ISSUES WITH SOME OF THE GOALS THAT WE HAD IMPLEMENTED TO BEGIN WITH THAT WE WERE NEVER ABLE TO OBTAIN.
YOU KNOW, TRANSPORTATION IS ONE OF THEM. JOB READINESS IS ANOTHER ONE.
SO WHAT WE TRIED TO DO IS REALIGN THE GOALS THAT WE ARE PROPOSING FOR THIS CONSOLIDATED PLAN TO, MAKE SURE THAT WE CAN WITH, YOU KNOW, MARKET, CURRENT MARKET CONDITIONS, THE HOUSING ISSUES THAT WE ARE SEEING HERE AND SOME OF THE OTHER THINGS THAT WE ARE FACING, THAT THESE GOALS ARE GOING TO BE ACHIEVABLE, THROUGH EITHER THE CITY OF PLANO AND OR ITS NONPROFIT PARTNERS.
SO AS YOU CAN SEE, WE CAN SHOW YOU THE GOALS THAT WE HAD LAST YEAR AND THE PROPOSED GOALS.
YOU KNOW, ONE OF THE PROBLEMS WITH OUR FIRST TIME HOMEBUYER PROGRAM, THAT PROGRAM PROVIDES CLASSES FOR PEOPLE WHO ARE LOOKING AT BUYING A HOUSE FOR THE FIRST TIME. GOT TO GIVE THEM AN UNDERSTANDING OF WHAT'S GOING ON WITH HOW TO DEAL WITH MORTGAGES AND CREDIT AND THAT SORT OF THING.
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SO, YOU KNOW, JUST JUST THE ECONOMICS IS NOT WORKING FOR THAT PROGRAM.BUT WE GOT SO WE GOT LIMITED DOWN TO THREE EIGHT 88 LOW INCOME HOUSEHOLDS TO PROVIDE AFFORDABLE RENTAL HOUSING WITH A TENANT BASED RENTAL ASSISTANCE AND THEN SUITABLE LIVING ENVIRONMENT, SO TO PROVIDE ASSISTANCE TO 350 INDIVIDUALS FOR HOMELESSNESS PREVENTION. 400 LOW AND MODERATE INCOME PERSONS TO BE PROVIDED WITH VARIOUS PUBLIC SERVICES.
THOSE SOCIAL SERVICES TO HELP. 220 PERSONS. 220 PERSONS EXPERIENCING HOMELESSNESS.
TO INCREASE OUR EMERGENCY SHELTER BEDS BY FIVE AND THEN WE ARE GOING TO NOT HAVE A GOAL WITH REGARDS TO TRANSPORTATION OR TO TO DEAL WITH JOB TRAINING. NOW, THAT BEING SAID, THAT DOESN'T MEAN THAT WE CAN'T AT SOME POINT REINSTITUTE THOSE GOALS.
YOU KNOW, WE'VE GOT THE CONNECT PLANO PROCESS THAT WE ARE GOING THROUGH AND WE ARE COMMUNICATING WITH NONPROFITS AND THAT MAY PRESENT OPPORTUNITIES IN THE FUTURE TO AT LEAST HELP US ASSIST IN SOME OF THESE NEEDS THAT WE HAVE AND SO WITH THAT I WILL TAKE ANY QUESTIONS YOU MAY HAVE.
COUNCIL. THANK YOU CURTIS. ANY QUESTIONS FOR CURTIS.
OH SORRY SHELBY. THERE WE GO. GO AHEAD JOE. THANK YOU, CURTIS.
YES, SIR. A COUPLE OF THINGS IN THE METRICS WE'RE LOOKING AT FOR 2025 TO 29, IT LOOKS LIKE THE TARGETS FOR EVERYTHING ARE LOWER, EXCEPT SPECIFICALLY FOR PEOPLE EXPERIENCING HOMELESSNESS RECEIVING OVERNIGHT SHELTER OR SUPPORT SERVICES.
IS THAT A RESULT OF INFLATION IMPACTING US IN 25 TO 29, INFLATION COSTS AND ALSO CAPACITY OF OUR NONPROFITS TO DO SOME OF THE THINGS THAT THAT WE'RE REQUESTING OF THEM.
SO PERSONALLY, I WOULD LIKE TO SEE AS MUCH OF THE FUNDS FOR BOTH CDGB AND HOME GOING TOWARD HOMELESSNESS PREVENTION. I'M NOT IN FAVOR OF CONSTRUCTION, RECONSTRUCTION, OR REHABILITATION, EXCEPT FOR CRITICAL REPAIRS, THINGS LIKE FOUNDATION, WHICH ARE KIND OF CATASTROPHIC EXPENSES FOR A HOME FOR PEOPLE WHO QUALIFY AS WELL AS LIKE PIPES, OLD PIPES THAT PRESENT A HAZARD AND SIGNIFICANT EXPENSES.
I WOULD LIKE TO WISELY CHOOSE THEM AND STRATEGICALLY CHOOSE THEM TO FOCUS ON WHAT THEY DO BEST, AND LIKEWISE PROVIDE THE COMMENSURATE ADMINISTRATIVE FEE FOR THAT AND MINIMIZE OUR OWN SHARE OF THE ADMINISTRATIVE COST.
I'M ALSO NOT IN FAVOR OF USING FUNDS FOR FIRST TIME HOME BUYERS JUST BECAUSE OF THE THE RIPPLES THAT HAS IN THE MARKET WHERE YOU'RE CUTTING SOMEBODY OUT WHO MIGHT BE A FIRST TIME HOME BUYER USING THEIR OWN FUNDS.
SAME DYNAMIC WITH PROVIDING THAT MONEY AND THEN BEING LIKEWISE HAVING IT TAKEN AWAY BY SOMEBODY WHO CAN PAY MORE IN THE CURRENT HOUSING MARKET. SO I WOULD PERSONALLY LIKE TO REMOVE FUNDS FOR FIRST TIME HOMEBUYERS, BUT I THINK IT IS WORTHWHILE TO USE SOME OF THESE FUNDS FOR EDUCATION FOR FIRST TIME HOMEBUYERS AND THAT I'D SEE THAT ALONG THE LINES OF HOMELESSNESS PREVENTION AS WELL, FOR PEOPLE WHO MAY NOT BE READY TO GET INTO A HOME YET.
RIGHT AND FOR THE EDUCATION COMPONENT. I MEAN, THAT'S PART OF OUR REGULAR BUDGET PROCESS.
SO WE WOULDN'T EXPEND ADDITIONAL FUNDING ON THAT.
BUT YEAH, IT'S BEEN A SUCCESSFUL PROGRAM. WELL, TO THE EXTENT THAT WE CAN USE THE HUD FUNDS, CDBG AND HOME FUNDS FOR THE EDUCATION I'D RATHER FREE THAT UP FROM THE GENERAL FUND.
OKAY. THANK YOU. AND I THINK WHAT I SAID IS WE DO USE SOME OF THE ADMINISTRATIVE COSTS, SOME OF THE ADMINISTRATIVE FUNDS FROM BOTH CDBG AND HOME FUNDING, AND THAT PAYS FOR THE PEOPLE WHO DO THE TO DO THE CLASS.
SO IT IS USED. SO YEP. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. YES, SIR.
OKAY. COUNCIL MEMBER PRINCE I'LL GET YOU ANTHONY.
OH THANK YOU. YEAH I NOTICED THAT YOU DID DECREASE A LOT OF THE GOALS AND THEN THERE WERE SOME THAT YOU JUST SAID WE'RE NOT GOING TO DO ANYTHING ON THAT. DID YOU CONSIDER REPLACING SOME OF THOSE WITH A NEW GOAL, GIVEN THAT BASED ON THE SURVEY, I SAW THAT THERE WERE SOME THINGS THAT LOOKED LIKE THEY WERE PRIORITIES TO OUR SERVICE PARTNERS OR TO OUR COMMUNITY THAT WE'RE NOT ADDRESSING AT ALL AND I THINK WHEN WE THESE GOALS ARE GOING TO BE OBTAINED EITHER THROUGH CITY STAFF FOR PART OF IT, BUT A LOT OF IT IS GOING TO COME THROUGH OUR NONPROFIT PARTNERS.
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SO YOU KNOW THAT WE CAN LOOK BACK AND SEE WHAT OUR NONPROFITS ARE DOING.WE ARE GOING THROUGH THE APPLICATION PROCESS RIGHT NOW FOR THOSE THAT ARE GOING TO BE COMING TO, YOU KNOW, TO BE REQUESTING FUNDING, AND WE CAN CERTAINLY SEE IF ANY OF THOSE ANY OF THOSE NONPROFITS HAVE THE CAPABILITY OR CAPACITY TO DO SOME OF THESE OTHER THINGS AND WE CAN BRING THAT TO YOU IN OUR NEXT MEETING IF WE'RE ABLE TO.
SO AND I HOPE I ANSWERED YOUR QUESTION BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, THE PART OF THE PROBLEM IS WE DON'T KNOW WHO'S GOING TO BE FUNDED YET BY THE CRC. SO. COUNCIL MEMBER RICCIARDELLI THANK YOU, MAYOR AND THANK YOU, CURTIS, FOR THAT EXCELLENT PRESENTATION AND FOR ALL OF THE ANSWERS YOU'VE ALREADY PROVIDED.
I DID HAVE SOME MORE QUESTIONS. AND YOU KNOW, THE I GUESS FIRST I'LL MAKE A STATEMENT.
SHOCKINGLY, I AGREE WITH WHAT COUNCILMEMBER WILLIAMS SAID.
I'D LIKE TO TAKE OUT THE DOWN PAYMENT ASSISTANCE.
I KNOW IN THE RESPONSES THAT YOU SENT TO MY EMAIL.
CURTIS, IT LOOKS LIKE WE HAD 66 INDIVIDUALS ATTEND OUR FIRST TIME HOMEBUYER CLASS, AND WE WERE ABLE TO APPROVE TWO HOUSEHOLDS FOR DOWN PAYMENT ASSISTANCE, BUT NEITHER ONE WAS ABLE TO ACTUALLY PURCHASE DUE TO MARKET CONDITIONS AND SO I THINK THAT MAY BE A PROGRAM THAT'S NOT ACTUALLY, YOU KNOW, ABLE TO HELP THE PEOPLE. IT'S DESIGNED TO HELP.
AND I THINK EVEN IF IT DOES, YOU KNOW, WHEN WE'RE LOOKING AT 66 INDIVIDUALS WHO SHOWED UP, YOU KNOW, CLEARLY HAVING A NEED. AND EVEN IF THE TWO HAD BEEN ABLE TO PURCHASE, IT'S ALMOST LIKE SOME PEOPLE WIN THE LOTTERY AND OTHER PEOPLE DON'T GET HELP AND I THINK SOMETHING WITH A MORE BROADLY DISPERSED POSITIVE IMPACT FOR A NUMBER OF PEOPLE WOULD BE A MORE POSITIVE USE OF THOSE FUNDS.
SO LIKE COUNCIL MEMBER WILLIAMS, I WOULD TAKE THAT OUT.
ALSO THE ACQUISITION, REHABILITATION AND RESALE.
I REMEMBER A FEW YEARS AGO THERE WAS AN ISSUE RAISED BY SOME RESIDENTS OF THE DOUGLAS COMMUNITY ABOUT AN ACQUISITION, REHABILITATION AND RESALE. THAT IMPACTED PROPERTY VALUATIONS AND PROPERTY TAXES IN THE DOUGLAS COMMUNITY.
AND I'D LIKE TO HELP AS MANY PEOPLE AS POSSIBLE.
SO LIKE COUNCILMEMBER WILLIAMS, I WOULD TAKE OUT THOSE TWO THINGS, THE DOWN PAYMENT ASSISTANCE AND THE THE PORTION OF THE HOUSING REHABILITATION THAT RELATES TO ACQUIRING, REHABILITATING AND RESELLING PROPERTIES.
I DID HAVE A QUESTION ABOUT A FOLLOW UP QUESTION, ACTUALLY, ABOUT THE HOMEOWNER REPAIR ASSISTANCE.
I SAW IN THE EMAIL THAT YOU SENT THAT DURING THE PREVIOUS FOUR YEARS, WE'VE HAD 96 HOME REPAIR PROJECTS, 64 WERE EMERGENCY REPAIRS LIKE HVAC, PLUMBING LEAK, HOT WATER HEATER AT AN AVERAGE COST OF 11,600.
BUT THERE WERE 30 THAT WERE THAT HAD THAT WERE NOT EMERGENCY REPAIRS AND HAD AN AVERAGE COST OF $79,300 EACH AND I WAS WONDERING, DOES THAT MEAN THAT IN THOSE 30 CASES, THE CITY PAID THE ENTIRE $79,300 TO REPAIR THAT HOUSE? SO I THINK THE THAT WAS THE CDBG OR HOME FUNDS THAT WERE USED TO COVER THE COSTS OF THOSE AND SO BASICALLY SO A HOMEOWNER WHO QUALIFIED BASED ON INCOME HAD CDBG OR HOME FUNDS PAID FOR THEIR REPAIRS AN AVERAGE OF $79,300. CORRECT. AND DO WE KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT THE VALUES OF THOSE HOMES? BECAUSE THAT JUST SEEMS LIKE A REALLY BIG NUMBER. IF, YOU KNOW, IF WE'RE TALKING ABOUT, YOU KNOW, ASSISTING WITH, YOU KNOW, NEEDED REPAIRS TO HELP FOLKS WHO DON'T HAVE VERY MUCH, YOU KNOW, MAKE ENDS MEET AND I DON'T HAVE THAT INFORMATION ABOUT THE VALUE OF THE HOMES, YOU KNOW, AND JUST SOME OF THE, AT LEAST THE ONES THAT I'VE BEEN AWARE OF, YOU KNOW, LOSS HAS TO DO WITH SOME OF THE CAST IRON PIPES BEING REPLACED, SOME OF THE PLUMBING UNDERNEATH THE FOUNDATION ISSUES, ROOF ISSUES, WINDOW ISSUES THAT THEY MET THE QUALIFICATIONS. SO BUT I DON'T HAVE AN OVERVIEW OF HOW MUCH THOSE THOSE HOMES WERE WORTH.
NO WORRIES. THANK YOU FOR THAT INFORMATION. AND THEN ALSO AS I THINK COUNCIL MEMBER PRINCE WAS ALLUDING TO, THERE WAS MENTION OF OTHER SERVICES PARKS AND SENIOR CENTERS WERE MENTIONED.
AND I UNDERSTAND FROM YOUR RESPONSES TO MY EMAIL THAT CDBG FUNDS, BUT NOT HOME FUNDS CAN BE USED ON INFRASTRUCTURE AND PUBLIC FACILITIES, BUT IT'S LIMITED TO AREAS THAT ARE INCOME QUALIFIED AND I WAS WONDERING TWO THINGS.
FIRST, DO WE HAVE AREAS IN PLANO THAT ARE INCOME QUALIFIED? I SAW THE MAP THAT YOU SHOWED EARLIER. IS THAT BASICALLY HOW THAT WOULD BE DETERMINED AND ALSO,
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WOULD A SENIOR CENTER QUALIFY BECAUSE SENIORS ARE CONSIDERED A SPECIAL POPULATION? SO I'M GOING TO ANSWER YOUR FIRST QUESTION. I THINK THAT IF I HAVE EVERYTHING CORRECT, THE COLORED AREAS EITHER GREEN, YELLOW OR GOLD WOULD QUALIFY IN THIS RESPECT AND I'M GOING TO CHECK AND SEE IF I GET A NOD FROM MY EXPERT BACK THERE AND THEN THE SECOND QUESTION, DOES A SENIOR CENTER QUALIFY AS A SPECIAL POPULATION? YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE TO COME DOWN. I'M GOING TO THROW A LIFELINE FOR THAT ANSWER JUST SO WE CAN GET YOU THE CORRECT INFORMATION.YOU GET A PHONE A FRIEND. SENIOR CENTERS QUALIFY.
AS LONG AS IT'S IN THOSE SAME COLORED AREAS, YOU'D HAVE TO INCOME QUALIFY THE AREA.
SO THEN YOU'RE NOT HAVING TO INDIVIDUALLY QUALIFY EVERYBODY THAT COMES TO THE SENIOR CENTER.
SO THOSE COLORED AREAS ARE THE SAME FOR BOTH SITUATIONS THAT YOU'VE ASKED.
OKAY. THANK YOU SO MUCH I REALLY APPRECIATE THAT INFORMATION.
SO THAT'S GOOD TO KNOW AND THEN JUST A COUPLE OTHER QUESTIONS.
I KNOW THAT YOU KNOW, SOMETIMES I HEAR PEOPLE SAYING YOU KNOW, ESPECIALLY PEOPLE WHO ARE AGING AND HAVE CHILDREN WITH COGNITIVE IMPAIRMENTS OR OTHER SPECIAL NEEDS YOU KNOW, THAT THEY'RE WORRIED ABOUT WHAT WILL HAPPEN TO THEIR ADULT CHILDREN WHO STILL NEED THAT LEVEL OF CARE WHEN THEY PASS, YOU KNOW, WHEN THE PARENTS PASS AND AS I UNDERSTAND IT, YOU KNOW, A GROUP HOME COULD BE A USE OF CDBG FUNDS THAT WOULD QUALIFY WOULD WE BE ABLE TO TRANSFER OWNERSHIP OF THAT TO A GROUP LIKE, SAY, MY POSSIBILITIES AND WOULD WE BE ABLE TO DO THAT WITHIN THE PLAN AS IT'S CURRENTLY WRITTEN? THAT WOULD BE ANOTHER ONE AS FAR AS SEEING IF THE TAX DOLLARS CAN CAN I'M SORRY TO KEEP PUTTING Y'ALL ON THE SPOT.
SORRY ABOUT THAT. THAT'S FINE. SO A PUBLIC FACILITY CAN BE FUNDED WITH CDBG FUNDS ONLY AND WHAT THAT WOULD MEAN IS THAT AN ORGANIZATION WOULD COME AND SAY, WE WANT TO OWN THAT PUBLIC FACILITY.
SO IT WOULD BE IT WOULD HAVE TO BE OPEN TO THAT POPULATION.
SO IT'S A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT. NORMALLY WHEN YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT GROUP HOMES, A SPECIFIC PEOPLE GO IN THERE, BUT THE TRANSFER OF OWNERSHIP, THE WAY IT WOULD WORK IS BECAUSE IT'S A PUBLIC FACILITY OWNED BY A NONPROFIT.
WE WOULD THEN ALLOW THEM TO BUILD IT. IF THAT'S THE CASE, WE WOULD LEAN THE PROPERTY FOR A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF YEARS, AND THEN IT'S OWNED BY THAT NONPROFIT, THE TRANSFER OF OWNERSHIP, BUT IT WOULD HAVE TO BE A PUBLIC FACILITY, WHICH IS A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT THAN WHEN WE START TALKING ABOUT GROUP HOMES.
OKAY, OKAY. GOTCHA. WELL, THANK YOU FOR THAT INFORMATION.
AND SO ANYWAY, WITH THAT OH, AND THE LAST THING I SAW, THE MENTIONS OF THE DAY RESOURCE CENTER IN THERE, WHICH I THINK IS A GREAT IDEA. I KNOW THAT'S SOMETHING THAT THE COLLIN COUNTY HOMELESS COALITION HAS TALKED ABOUT AND THAT IT'S ELIGIBLE FOR THOSE CDBG FUNDS.
I SAW ALL OF THE MENTIONS OF THE DAY RESOURCE CENTER IN THERE, AND I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT'S SOMETHING, IF IT COMES TO FRUITION DURING THIS FIVE YEAR PERIOD, WOULD THAT BE INCLUDED WITHIN THIS PLAN AS IT'S CURRENTLY WRITTEN? YEAH, THAT WOULD BE IF WE HAD SOMEBODY COME IN AND BUILD IT, WE COULD THIS MONEY COULD BE USED TO FUND IT.
OKAY. THAT'S GREAT TO HEAR THAT. THAT'S CURRENTLY INCLUDED. SO I WOULD SUPPORT WHAT COUNCILMEMBER WILLIAMS SAID ABOUT TAKING OUT THE, YOU KNOW, THE KIND OF ACQUIRING, REHABILITATING AND RESELLING HOUSES AND ALSO THE DOWN PAYMENT ASSISTANCE, JUST BECAUSE THOSE PROVIDE SUCH A LARGE BENEFIT FOR SUCH A SMALL NUMBER OF PEOPLE BUT DON'T PROVIDE, YOU KNOW, THE BROADLY DIFFUSED BENEFIT FOR THE LARGE POPULATION THAT NEEDS HELP.
YOU KNOW, I PREFER THINGS THAT THAT ARE BROADLY DISPERSED AMONG THOSE WHO, WHO, WHO NEED HELP IN OUR COMMUNITY AND HELP A GREATER NUMBER OF PEOPLE AND SO I THINK THAT WOULD BE GOOD AND THEN I'D ALSO LOVE TO SEE US MAKE SURE THAT OUR PLAN IS OPEN TO, YOU KNOW, A POTENTIAL SENIOR CENTER OR PARK IN THOSE AREAS THAT QUALIFY AND ALSO THE GROUP HOME IDEA, YOU KNOW, PERHAPS PARTNERING WITH A GROUP LIKE MY POSSIBILITIES TO OPERATE YOU KNOW, A FACILITY THAT I GUESS IT SOUNDS LIKE, WOULD BE OWNED BY THE CITY. I THINK ALL OF THOSE WOULD BE POSITIVE TO MAKE SURE OUR PLAN IS OPEN TO THAT.
THANK YOU FOR YOUR COMMENTS. I APPRECIATE IT. THANK YOU. THANK YOU ALL SO MUCH FOR YOUR WORK.
COUNCIL MEMBER SMITH. THANK YOU MAYOR. FIRST OFF I GUESS I'D LIKE TO ADD A THIRD VOICE TO THE IDEA THAT WE PROBABLY WANT TO CUT BACK OR DO AWAY WITH THE DOWN PAYMENT ASSISTANCE AND OTHERWISE THERE ONE THING I DIDN'T REALLY HEAR A LOT ABOUT,
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AND AND I KNOW IT'S PART OF IT. WE'VE ALWAYS HAD A STRONG EFFORT AT HOMELESSNESS PREVENTION AND INCLUDING UTILITY ASSISTANCE, THINGS LIKE THAT. WHAT'S HAPPENING TO THAT IN OUR FIVE YEAR PLAN? ARE WE INCREASING THOSE FUNDS AVAILABILITY? OR PERHAPS, YOU KNOW, IF WE DO AWAY WITH THE DOWN PAYMENT ASSISTANCE PROGRAM, THINGS LIKE THAT, WE COULD APPLY THAT MORE FOR HOMELESSNESS PREVENTION RATHER THAN DEALING WITH THOSE FOLKS WHO DO GET EVICTED THROUGH ISSUES THAT ARE BEYOND THEIR ABILITY TO HANDLE IT BY THEMSELVES.WHAT ARE WE DOING? WHAT'S OUR PLAN FOR THAT? SO, AND I THINK THAT SOME OF THE HOMELESS HOMELESSNESS PREVENTION STUFF, UTILITY PAYMENTS AND THAT SORT OF THING, WE HAVE USED OTHER FUNDING CDBG-CV, CORONAVIRUS FUNDS, SOME OF THOSE OTHER FUNDS FOR THAT SORT OF THING, AND ONE OF THE THINGS THAT, YOU KNOW, WE DO HAVE LIMITS ON WHAT WE CAN DO.
SO, YOU KNOW, BECAUSE YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT PUBLIC SERVICES.
SO PUBLIC SERVICES ARE THE SMALLER PORTION OF THIS AND SO WE DO USE SOME OF THIS FUNDS FOR THOSE SORTS OF THINGS WHEN WE CAN AND WE'LL CONTINUE TO DO SO. OKAY. DO WE HAVE AN IDEA OF WHAT PERCENTAGE OR DOLLAR AMOUNT WHAT HAVE WE DONE TO INCREASE THAT OR IS THERE A WAY TO DO WE EVEN KNOW THAT NOW WHAT OUR PLAN IS FOR THAT? YOU KNOW, AS FAR AS SO IN LOOKING AT, YOU KNOW, BECAUSE WE TALK ABOUT HOMELESSNESS PREVENTION.
RIGHT AND WHETHER THAT'S CHRONIC HOMELESSNESS, WHETHER THAT'S FOR SPECIAL POPULATIONS.
SO VICTIMS OF DOMESTIC VIOLENCE YOUTHFUL YOUTH, THAT SORT OF THING.
I DON'T HAVE THAT INFORMATION FOR YOU RIGHT OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD, BUT I CAN GET THAT FOR YOU.
GOTCHA. WELL, I APPRECIATE ALL YOUR [INAUDIBLE].
THE YOU KNOW, DOES FOR US [INAUDIBLE] AND I JUST WANTED TO BE SURE THAT SOME OF THESE THINGS DON'T GET, YOU KNOW, KIND OF DROPPED BY THE WAYSIDE. AND I THINK REAPPLYING FUNDS AS WE TALKED ABOUT COUNCILMAN WILLIAMS. COUNCILMAN RICCIARDELLI ABOUT DOING AWAY WITH THE DOWN PAYMENT THAT WE CAN REALLOCATE, HOPEFULLY SOME OF THE FUNDS TO BE SURE THAT WE CAN GIVE THE MAXIMUM ATTENTION TO THOSE AREAS TO KEEP PEOPLE FROM BECOMING HOMELESS IN THE FIRST PLACE. SO THANKS.
ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. APPRECIATE IT. SO, MAYOR AND COUNCIL, WE INTEND TO BRING THIS BACK IN APRIL.
I THINK IT'S THE 14TH. YES, SIR. SO BRINGING THIS BACK SO YOU ACTUALLY HAVE A LITTLE BIT OF TIME AS WELL? I KNOW THAT THERE'S A LOT OF COMMENTS THAT HAVE COME THROUGH TONIGHT, BUT IF THERE'S ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS, AGAIN, THE PROCESS IS TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE MAKING THAT INFORMED DECISION AND THAT WE'RE, YOU KNOW, CAPTURING THE SPIRIT OF THE COUNCIL DIRECTION WITHIN THE PLAN TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE FULFILLING THAT.
SO YOU HAVE A LITTLE BIT OF TIME ACTUALLY BETWEEN NOW AND THEN.
SO I'D ASK YOU, YOU KNOW, IF YOU DO CONSIDER THIS FURTHER IN THE COMING DAYS OR WEEKS, PLEASE MAKE SURE YOU FORWARD YOUR COMMENTS AND WE'LL TRY TO MAKE SURE WE INCLUDE AS MANY OF THOSE AS POSSIBLE IN THE PLAN. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU CURTIS.
GO AHEAD SHELBY. THANK YOU MAYOR. SINCE WE MOVED TO DAVIS LIBRARY, WE HAD A SIGNIFICANT SHAKEUP IN OUR COMMENTS OF PUBLIC INTEREST. WE'VE BEEN BACK IN THE COUNCIL CHAMBERS FOR A WHILE NOW.
WE HAD AT FIRST DETERMINED BEFORE WE MOVED BACK FROM DAVIS THAT WE WOULD GIVE IT SIX MONTHS.
BUT I THINK WE'VE PROBABLY ESTABLISHED EVERYTHING WE NEED TO ESTABLISH.
I THINK THERE'S SIGNIFICANT VALUE TO CITIZENS BEING ABLE TO HAVE US AS A CAPTIVE AUDIENCE DURING OUR TRADITIONAL COMMENTS OF PUBLIC INTEREST, AND I WOULD LIKE TO SEE IT RESTORED TO HOW IT USED TO BE.
OKAY. ANY OTHER COMMENTS? CASEY. SORRY. HOLD ON.
THERE WE GO. THANK YOU. I WAS THE ONE WHO BROUGHT THIS ON WITH COUNCIL MEMBER WILLIAMS, AND I AGREE.
I DO THINK THAT I DON'T THINK THAT WE HAVE A IN MY OPINION, A LEGITIMATE REASON TO WITHHOLD PEOPLE FROM COMING IN PERSON FOR COMMENTS OF PUBLIC INTEREST WHEN THEY'RE COMING IN FOR EVERY OTHER ITEM.
TO ME, IT SEEMS ODD, A LITTLE SILLY. SO I CAN'T PERSONALLY SAY TO SOMEBODY, IF THEY CAME AND ASKED ME WHY WE'RE DOING THAT, I WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO GIVE THEM A REASON THAT I FELT REALLY GOOD ABOUT.
SO TO ME, I THINK THERE'S SOME GOOD PARAMETERS THAT WE WOULD WE COULD DISCUSS ON HERE ABOUT PUTTING TIME LIMITS ON IT AND I WOULD SUGGEST THAT WE DO IT. I WOULD PREFER DOING IT AT THIS MEETING.
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BECAUSE IF I DO WANT TO COME BACK AND TALK TO YOU ALL, I JUST WANT TO DO IT AT THIS MEETING.I THINK IT'S ODD TO DO IT AT ANOTHER MEETING.
THAT WOULD BE MY SUGGESTION NOT TO HAVE A SEPARATE MEETING.
I WOULD DO IT AT THIS MEETING AND I, BUT I WOULD SUGGEST HAVING A TIME LIMIT SIMILAR TO THESE OTHERS WHERE THEY'RE ALLOWING CAPPING PEOPLE 3 MINUTES OR 5 MINUTES. I THINK THAT'S VERY REASONABLE FOR US TO NOT LET PEOPLE TALK FOREVER.
SO THOSE ARE MY THOUGHTS. I'M SORRY. I SHOULD ALSO MENTION THAT HAVING COMMENTS OF PUBLIC INTEREST AT THE END OF OUR MEETINGS, WHILE I UNDERSTAND THE INITIAL INTENT IT CAUSES A BURDEN ON A LOT OF OUR CITIZENS WHO HAVE LEGITIMATE CITY BUSINESS TO SAY BEFORE US WITH THE INDEFINITE NATURE OF OUR MEETINGS. MAYOR PRO TEM, SO I WHILE I AGREE WITH KAYCI THAT I THINK WE PROBABLY SHOULD GO BACK TO IN-PERSON PUBLIC COMMENTS, HOWEVER, I WOULD ASK THAT WE DELAY OR TABLE THE REMAINING LOGISTIC OF WHERE WE WANT THE PUBLIC COMMENTS TO BE AND HOW LONG AND WHAT WHAT NEEDS TO HAPPEN REGARDING ANY CHANGES TO A LATER DATE. SO I'M OKAY WITH, YOU KNOW, GOING BACK TO WHAT IT USED TO BE IN PERSON AT THIS POINT, AT THE END OF THE MEETING, BUT ALL THE OTHER CHANGES, I WOULD ASK THAT WE TABLE THAT.
SO YOU'RE YOU'RE WANTING TO WE'LL BRING COMMENTS OF PUBLIC INTEREST BACK.
EXACTLY. I THINK IT JUST IT'S COURTESY AND RESPECT FOR THE NEW COUNCIL.
COUNCILMEMBER HORNE. THANK YOU. I TOO AGREE THAT I'D LIKE TO SEE THE PUBLIC COMMENT RETURN BACK IN PERSON, WHETHER IT'S BEFORE OR AFTER THE MEETING. AGAIN, I AGREE WITH MAYOR PRO TEM TO LET THE NEW COUNCIL VOTE ON THAT, BUT IF I DO RECALL, WE ALREADY HAD GUARDRAILS IN PLACE SUCH AS TIME LIMITS.
BUT WE ALSO SAID THAT UNDER DEVELOPMENT OF THOSE GUARDRAILS THAT PRETTY MUCH HAD TO DEAL WITH CITY BUSINESS AND THAT'S KIND OF HELPED US WITH REGARDS TO MANAGING, IF YOU WILL, OR AT LEAST HAVING THOSE GUIDELINES READY FOR THE PEOPLE WHO WANT TO PRESENT PUBLIC COMMENTS THAT THIS IS WHAT WE WANT TO HEAR TO. SO I THINK WE HAVE TO BE REMINDED THAT WE DID THAT AND WE HAVE THOSE GUARDRAILS IN PLACE, BUT I'M IN FAVOR OF BRINGING IT BACK IN PERSON AND AGAIN, WHETHER IT'S BEFORE OR AFTER, WE COULD LEAVE THAT TO A VOTE WITH THE NEW COUNCIL.
THANK YOU. COUNCILMEMBER SCHMIDT. THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR. YEAH, I AGREE. I DO THINK IT'S TIME TO GET BACK TO HAVING THE COMMENTS OF PUBLIC INTEREST UP FRONT.
I AGREE WITH MAYOR PRO TEM THAT IT'S COURTESY.
LET'S WAIT TILL THE NEW COUNCIL IS SEATED. LET THE FULL COUNCIL THEN DECIDE.
YOU KNOW, I WOULD STILL LIKE TO BE SURE THAT THE PROTOCOLS THAT WE PUT IN PLACE TO READ BEFORE THE PUBLIC COMMENTS ARE KEPT IN PLACE AND THE RULES AND POLICIES ARE WRITTEN DOWN AS WE HAVE THEM PREVIOUSLY, TO BE SURE THAT EVERYBODY UNDERSTANDS WHAT WE WOULD EXPECT FROM A PROFESSIONAL STANDPOINT FOR ANYONE WHO DOES ADDRESS THE COUNCIL.
SO THAT'S MY THOUGHT. THE GO AHEAD, ANTHONY. YOU HAVE A COMMENT.
OH THANK YOU MAYOR. YES, I WAS JUST GOING TO REALLY QUICKLY JUST, YOU KNOW, SAY MY $0.02.
I ALSO AGREE THAT IT'S TIME FOR PUBLIC COMMENTS TO COME BACK IN PERSON.
AND, YOU KNOW, I PERSONALLY AGREE WITH WHAT COUNCIL MEMBER PRINCE SAID.
I THINK IT'S GOOD TO HAVE IT AT THE REGULAR MEETING.
AS FAR AS TIMING YOU KNOW, I'M FINE WITH DEFERRING THAT TO THE NEW COUNCIL BECAUSE OBVIOUSLY I WON'T BE HERE AND I RECOGNIZE THAT WHATEVER WE DO COULD BE CHANGED BY A MAJORITY OF THE NEXT COUNCIL ANYWAY. I WOULD, HOWEVER, ENCOURAGE THAT NEW COUNCIL TO CONSIDER PUTTING THE COMMENTS OF PUBLIC INTEREST AT THE BEGINNING, JUST BECAUSE WE KNOW THAT WE'RE GOING TO START THE MEETING AT SEVEN.
AND AS COUNCILMEMBER WILLIAMS ALLUDED TO YOU KNOW, WE DON'T KNOW WHEN THE MEETING IS GOING TO END.
SO A LOT OF PEOPLE, YOU KNOW, WHO HAVE JOBS AND MAYBE FAMILY RESPONSIBILITIES, IT CAN, YOU KNOW, THE UNPREDICTABILITY OF WHEN COMMENTS OF PUBLIC INTEREST MIGHT BE WHEN IT'S AT THE END, I THINK CAN BE A BURDEN TO THEM.
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BUT I AGREE, WE DON'T NECESSARILY NEED TO ADOPT A POLICY THAT, YOU KNOW, A NEW COUNCIL COULD JUST DO SOMETHING DIFFERENT ANYWAY.NO, I APPRECIATE THAT. I THINK I TOTALLY AGREE TO, TO HAVE IN PERSON COMMENTS OF PUBLIC INTEREST.
I THINK THE ONE THING THAT WE WERE TRYING TO AVOID WAS MOST OF THE TIME AT OUR REGULAR MEETING, WE HAVE YOUNG SCOUTS OR GIRL SCOUTS THAT ARE HERE AND HISTORICALLY WE'VE HAD SOME SOME ISSUES WITH THAT BEING BEING A PROBLEM FOR YOUNGER KIDS BEING HERE DURING SOME ANTICS THAT HAVE OCCURRED, SO I'LL BE MORE THAN HAPPY TO TO PLACE IT WHEREVER. WE'LL MAKE IT IN PERSON IMMEDIATELY AND WE CAN DECIDE ON WHEN TO PLACE IT AT THE REGULAR MEETING, WHEN THE NEW COUNCIL GETS ELECTED, IF THAT'S OKAY.
JUST MAKING SURE I'M CLEAR. COUNCIL. SO IT'S BACK IN PERSON.
IS IT STAYING AT THE END OF THE MEETING UNTIL THE NEW COUNCIL COMES IN TO DECIDE WHERE TO PLACE IT IS? I'M JUST CHECKING TO MAKE SURE. HOLD ON. SHELBY, YOU HAVE A COMMENT? YEAH. ON THAT. WHETHER IT'S AT THE BEGINNING OR THE END OF THE MEETING I STRONGLY FAVOR IT BEING AT THE BEGINNING OF THE MEETING, AND I DON'T NECESSARILY THINK IT'S A DISCOURTESY TO THE NEW COUNCIL BECAUSE WE'D BE RESTORING IT THE WAY WE FOUND IT AND THE NEW COUNCIL.
I MEAN, WE ALL UNDERSTAND THE HISTORY HERE. THE NEW COUNCIL ISN'T NECESSARILY.
AND IF IT'S AT THE END OF THE MEETING WHEN THEY COME IN.
NEW COUNCIL MEMBERS AREN'T NECESSARILY GOING TO UNDERSTAND THAT, WHY IT'S AT THE END OF THE MEETING, OR HAVE THE CONTEXT TO WANT TO MOVE IT BACK. I WOULD SEE THIS AS SIMPLY RESETTING IT TO THE WAY WE FOUND IT FOR THE NEW COUNCIL.
RIGHT. IF SOMEBODY SIGNED UP, I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THAT.
I WOULD PREFER FOR IT TO GO TO THE BEGINNING OF THE MEETING AND THEN IF IT NEEDS SOMEBODY, IF THERE'S A MAJORITY OF US THAT WANT TO DO THAT, WE MOVE IT TO THE BEGINNING BECAUSE WE THINK THAT'S BEST FOR OUR CITIZENS.
IF WE WANT TO BRING THAT BACK TO THE COUNCIL LATER, AND THAT'S NOT CONVENIENT FOR THE COUNCIL, THEN THE NEW COUNCIL CAN CHANGE IT. WE'VE CHANGED THIS LIKE 15 TIMES SINCE I'VE BEEN ON COUNCIL, SO I DON'T THINK IT'S A BIG DEAL WHEN THE NEW COUNCIL GETS HERE.
IF A COUNCIL MEMBER WANTS TO BRING IT UP AGAIN TO CHANGE IT AGAIN, I DON'T CARE EITHER WAY.
WHY ARE WE CHANGING IT AGAIN AND WE DON'T NEED TO DO THAT.
SO, LIKE I SAID, WITH RESPECT TO THE NEW COUNCIL COMING IN, AND THIS TIME WE'RE GOING TO HAVE, YOU KNOW, HALF OF THE COUNCIL MEMBERS WHO'S GOING TO BE NEWLY ELECTED.
I THINK IT'S JUST REALLY GOOD FOR EVERYBODY TO TO GATHER ALL THE COMMENTS AND ALL THE OPINIONS AND MAKE THE FINAL DECISION ON WHERE THE THE PUBLIC COMMENT SHOULD GO. I DON'T THINK IT'S A BIG DEAL, BUT YOU KNOW WHY? WHY CHANGE SOMETHING THAT WE'VE ALREADY PUT IN PLACE? TO ME, IT'S NOT A DECISION ABOUT THE THE COUNCIL WHETHER WE LIKE IT.
IS IT BEST FOR EVERYBODY IN THE AUDIENCE TO HEAR IF WE HAVE SOMETHING OR IT'S TO WHAT COUNCIL MEMBER RICCIARDELLI AND COUNCIL MEMBER WILLIAMS ARE SAYING? IS IT INCONVENIENT FOR THE PEOPLE WHO HAVE TO SIT TILL 10:30 AT NIGHT IF THEY WANT TO MAKE IT? AND SO TO ME, THAT'S HOW I'M MAKING THE DECISION BETWEEN THOSE TWO AND WHAT I'M SAYING IS THERE'S A REASON WHY IT WAS MOVED FROM THE BEGINNING OF THE MEETING TO THE END, AND THE REASON I BELIEVE IS VALID AND THAT'S THE REASON WHY IT'S AT THE END.
SO I DON'T WANT TO BE MOVING SOMETHING THAT HAS ALREADY ESTABLISHED AS THE RATIONALE FOR HAVING IT AT THE END OF THE MEETING UNTIL THERE'S A NEW COUNCIL AND THEY, YOU KNOW, IF THEY DECIDE.
THAT'S MY PERSONAL OPINION. SO THAT'S THE REASON WHY I'M ASKING FOR IT TO STAY.
BUT YOU KNOW, IF EVERYBODY WANTS TO CHANGE AND I'M THE MINORITY, I'M OKAY WITH THAT TOO.
OKAY. SO WE I THINK WE'RE ALL IN AGREEMENT TO TO BRING IT BACK IN PERSON.
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CAN WE JUST DO A VOTE OR IS THAT A HAND VOTE THAT EVERYBODY WANTS IT AT THE BEGINNING OF THE MEETING? RAISE YOUR HAND, PLEASE. OKAY. EVERYBODY THAT WANTS FIVE.OKAY. THEIR MOTION PASSES 5 TO 3. ONE LAST QUESTION.
ARE WE GOING TO ALLOW ZOOM ATTENDANCE OR IS IT JUST STRICTLY IN PERSON? BECAUSE ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE SHIFTED WAS THAT WE HAD WHEN IT WAS ON ZOOM, IT WAS EVERYBODY ON ZOOM AND NOW THAT WE'RE IN PERSON, ARE WE ALLOWING PEOPLE TO GO THE OTHER DIRECTION FOR THAT AS WELL.
SO JUST SEEKING CLARIFICATION. SHELBY, I'M OKAY WITH ALLOWING PEOPLE THE OPTION, BUT WITH ALMOST ZERO TOLERANCE FOR GETTING THE TECHNOLOGY WORKING.
WE CHEW UP A LOT OF TIME WITH THAT. YEAH, I WOULD ALLOW BOTH.
YEAH. THERE ARE THERE ARE CIRCUMSTANCES THAT THAT.
YEAH, THAT WE WOULD ALLOW IT. ANTHONY. OH I WAS JUST GOING TO SAY I WOULD ALLOW BOTH.
ABSOLUTELY. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. I THINK WITH THAT BEING SAID, I THINK WE'RE WE'RE GOOD TO MOVE ON.
CONSENT AND REGULAR AGENDAS. ANY ITEM COUNCILMEMBER WOULD LIKE TO REMOVE.
ANY ITEMS FOR DISCUSSION OR FUTURE AGENDAS. ALL RIGHT.
WE'LL TAKE A RECESS AND RETURN AT 7:00. THANK YOU.
* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.