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THE COUNCIL WILL NOW RECESS INTO EXECUTIVE SESSION IN TRAINING ROOM A TO HOLD A CLOSED EXECUTIVE MEETING PURSUANT TO THE PROVISIONS OF VERNON'S TEXAS CODES ANNOTATED GOVERNMENT CODE, CHAPTER 551. THE OPEN MEETINGS ACT IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE AUTHORITY CONTAINED IN SECTION 551.071, TO CONSULT WITH THE ATTORNEY TO RECEIVE LEGAL ADVICE AND DISCUSS LITIGATION. THANK YOU. I NOW DECLARE THAT THE PLANO CITY COUNCIL PRELIMINARY OPEN MEETING IS RECONVENED IN OPEN SESSION, THAT ALL COUNCIL MEMBERS ARE PRESENT. COUNCIL MEMBER PRINCE WILL BE ON ZOOM AS SOON AS YOU POP HER UP.OUR NEXT ITEM DISCUSSION AND DIRECTION REGARDING THE BOND REFERENDUM.
MAYOR AND COUNCIL JASON GREGORASH PINCH HITTING FOR KAREN RHODES THIS WEEK, BUT TONIGHT WE NEED TO GET DOWN TO A FINAL NUMBER, INCLUDING THE PROJECTS AS WELL AS THE PROPOSITIONS.
THE NUMBER OF PROPOSITIONS TO BE ABLE TO GO THROUGH THIS. SO, JASON, YOU WANT TO LEAD US OFF.
ASKING FOR A PASSWORD? SORRY. SO GOOD EVENING.
JASON GREGORASH, I'M THE BUDGET CIP MANAGER. AS MARK SAID, WE WERE LAST HERE ON THE 13TH, AND YOU HAD A PRESENTATION ON THE LIST OF PROJECTS THAT ARE PRELIMINARILY INCLUDED.
IN THE PROPOSED 2025 BOND PROGRAM, GROUPED INTO PROPOSITIONS.
TONIGHT WE'RE HERE SEEKING DIRECTION ON WHICH PROJECTS YOU WOULD LIKE TO HAVE INCLUDED AND HOW YOU WOULD LIKE THE PROPOSITIONS TO BE ORDERED AS IT GOES BEFORE THE VOTERS ON MAY THE 3RD. WE WILL THEN COME BACK ON FEBRUARY THE 10TH WITH A RESOLUTION TO CALL THE ELECTION.
HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU MAY HAVE. THANKS, JASON.
ANY QUESTIONS FOR JASON? YEAH. OKAY. GO AHEAD.
OH, SORRY. THERE YOU GO. SO, JASON, I HAVE A QUESTION ABOUT THE TRAFFIC IMPROVEMENTS PART.
SO THERE ARE IT'S BROKEN INTO 1234567, SEVEN SUBPARTS.
SO CAN YOU JUST GIVE ME A VERY, VERY, VERY SUMMARIZED AND MEANING FOR EACH ONE OF THESE.
I'D BE HAPPIER IF OUR DIRECTOR OF ENGINEERING WERE AVAILABLE TO ANSWER THAN ME.
YOU WERE. YOU WERE THERE THE OTHER NIGHT. I WAS.
SO AND SO WAS HE. HE WENT OVER ALL THOSE. SO ARE THESE THE ONES THAT WAS FROM THE TOUR? YEAH. RIGHT. AND THEY ARE, AS IT SAYS. THEY ARE TENTATIVE AT THIS POINT.
COUNCILMEMBER RICCIARDELLI, THANK YOU, MAYOR, AND THANK YOU, JASON.
I DON'T KNOW IF THIS IS A QUESTION FOR YOU OR MAYBE CHIEF BIGGERSTAFF, BUT I WAS JUST WONDERING IF WE COULD GO OVER AS I WAS REALLY DIGGING INTO THIS, ONE THING THAT STRUCK ME IS THAT IT LOOKS LIKE THE 20 MILLION FOR THE FIRE STATION EIGHT REMODEL IS ALMOST AS MUCH AS THE COST FOR THE FIRE STATION 14 NEW BUILD.
AND SO I WAS JUST TRYING TO YOU KNOW, FIGURE OUT WHAT'S DRIVING THE RENOVATION COST BEING, YOU KNOW, ALMOST COMPARABLE TO A NEW BUILD IN THAT REGARD, JUST FOR GREATER UNDERSTANDING.
THAT'S A GREAT QUESTION. SO THE WAY THAT WAS SET UP WAS DURING THE LAST BOND WE RECEIVED MONEY FOR A REMODEL. AND AS WE BEGAN TO WORK ON STATION FIVE AND ON STATION EIGHT, LOOKING AT THEM TOGETHER A LITTLE BIT OF A CHANGE IN WHAT WE NEEDED FOR STATION FIVE, AND A SIGNIFICANT INCREASE IN THE COST OF CONSTRUCTION CAUSED US TO MOVE SOME OF THE MONEY OVER TO FROM STATION EIGHT, OVER TO STATION FIVE. AND IF I DON'T KNOW IF YOU'VE HAD A CHANCE TO GO BY STATION FIVE AND LOOK AT IT, BUT IT'S CALLED A REMODEL. BUT FOR THE MOST PART, IT'S TRULY A REBUILD MORE THAN IT IS A REMODEL.
AT THAT STATION, WE'LL HAVE A TOTAL OF FIVE BAYS, INCREASE THE NUMBER OF BEDROOMS TO INCREASE THE SIZE OF THE LIVING SPACE, ALL THOSE THINGS. STATION EIGHT WOULD BE VERY SIMILAR TO THAT.
IT'S A REMODEL, BUT IT'S CLOSER TO A REBUILD BY THE TIME YOU ADD THE TWO ADDITIONAL BAYS THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT ADDING THAT WAY WE'D HAVE SPACE FOR AN AMBULANCE IF WE NEEDED IT. HAVE SPACE FOR RESERVE APPARATUS AS WELL THERE YOU WOULD ALSO HAVE TO ADD LIVING SPACE FOR ADDITIONAL FIREFIGHTERS THEIR
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LOCKERS, BATHROOMS, BEDROOMS, ALL OF THOSE THINGS.SO IN DOING THAT, ALONG WITH ALL THE MAJOR ITEMS THAT NEEDED TO BE DONE, WHICH WERE YOUR ROOF, YOUR AC, ALL THOSE MAJOR ITEMS IT WAS THE RECOMMENDATION AT THAT TIME, FACILITIES FOR US TO DO THIS SIGNIFICANT REMODEL.
OKAY. WELL, THANK YOU FOR THAT INFORMATION, CHIEF BIGGERSTAFF. SO THAT MAKES MORE SENSE. AND SO IT'S STILL YOUR OPINION THAT IT'S MORE COST EFFECTIVE TO DO KIND OF THE REMODEL THAT'S CLOSE TO A REBUILD FOR STATION EIGHT RATHER THAN DOING, SAY, WHAT WE'RE DOING WITH STATION THREE, WHERE, YOU KNOW, WHERE WE JUST KIND OF BUILD A NEW ONE AND MOVE INTO THAT.
I THINK SO, AND IT'S IN A GREAT PLACE WHERE IT IS RIGHT NOW.
IT'S GOT A LARGER LOT, WHICH GIVES US MORE OPTIONS THAN THAN WE HAD AT STATION THREE.
THEN I WOULD, I WOULD SAY, YEAH, THAT'S PROBABLY THE WAY TO GO.
OKAY. FANTASTIC. THANK YOU, CHIEF BICKERSTAFF. YOU BET. OKAY.
ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU JASON. APPRECIATE IT. SO MARK SENT US THIS SPREADSHEET THAT WAS I THOUGHT IT WAS REALLY EFFECTIVE. SO IT'S GOT ALL THE LIST OF ITEMS ON HERE AND TO TRY TO MOVE THIS THING ALONG.
I'M JUST GOING TO GO AROUND THE DAIS AND I'M GOING TO START WITH COUNCIL MEMBER SMITH.
AND ON THOSE THREE CATEGORIES YOU'VE GOT OKAY.
YOU'VE GOT REDUCE IF THAT'S SOMETHING YOU WANT TO TALK ABOUT OR IF WE WOULD SUGGEST MOVING IT TO FOUR YEARS FROM NOW. SO I'M HOPING THAT EVERYBODY'S KIND OF SPENT A LOT OF TIME ON THIS AND HAS SOME THOUGHTS REALLY PUT TOGETHER ON THIS SO THAT WE CAN KIND OF GET THROUGH THIS.
AT THE END OF THE DAY, THE VOTERS WILL DECIDE.
AND SO, COUNCILMAN SMITH, IF YOU DON'T MIND YOU'RE A VETERAN HERE.
YOU'RE ONE OF THE BIG VETERANS HERE. SO YOU CAN YOU'VE DONE THIS BEFORE.
YEAH. SO I'M GOING TO LET YOU START US OFF IF THERE'S ANY THOUGHTS, IF YOU WANT TO LEAVE EVERYTHING ALONE, DO YOU WANT TO LOOK AT, LOOK AT SOME ITEMS THAT MIGHT BE ABLE TO PUT INTO 29? I'LL GIVE YOU THE FLOOR. THANK YOU, MAYOR. IT'S WE'VE ALL SPENT A LOT OF TIME REVIEWING THIS AS OUR STAFF HAS DONE.
WHEN YOU ASK EVERYBODY JUST TO TELL US WHAT YOU NEED AND WHAT YOU WANT.
AND THEN STAFF DID A GOOD JOB. THEY CUT THAT DOWN IN HALF.
BUT THEN WE'RE LOOKING AT 700 MILLION, WHICH IS A HUGE, HUGE NUMBER.
BUT I THINK THE IMPORTANT THING FOR ME TO START WITH IS FOR CITIZENS TO REALIZE THAT WE'RE ALL DOING OUR JOBS, WE'RE TRYING TO LOOK AT THE NEEDS OF THE CITY, BUT ULTIMATELY WE'RE ONLY ASKING FOR THE AUTHORITY.
GOOD. GOOD POINT. AN EXAMPLE WOULD BE, I THINK OUR POLICE TRAINING FACILITY, WHICH I BELIEVE WE DEFINITELY NEED BECAUSE IT'S, NOT JUST A TRAINING FACILITY FOR THOSE OF, YOU KNOW, IT'S A FULL FLEDGED POLICE ACADEMY THAT TRAINS AND PUTS OUT PEACE OFFICERS FOR THE WHOLE AREA AROUND HERE. AND I THINK THAT'S THAT'S A GOOD THING TO HAVE.
SO THERE IS AN EXAMPLE THAT 51 MILLION THAT WE'RE ASKING FOR BECAUSE ALTHOUGH THEY'RE OUR PARTNER, THEY, YOU KNOW, WILL PUT THAT IN CONTRACTUALLY.
IT'S NOT SOMETHING WE CAN COUNT ON. SHOULD SOMETHING CHANGE ON THEIR SIDE, THEY MIGHT NOT DO IT.
SO WE HAVE TO ASK FOR THE FULL 51. BUT THAT'S A GREAT EXAMPLE OF THAT.
WE'RE ASKING FOR MORE THAN WE MAY ACTUALLY END UP YOU KNOW, END UP ISSUING.
THE OTHER THING IS WE'VE HAD MULTIPLE REVIEWS.
STAFF, COUNCIL LOOKING AT THIS THING AND TRYING TO PARE IT DOWN AS MOST WE CAN.
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REALLY, I USED TO SAY TWO THINGS. THERE'S ONLY TWO THINGS THAT THAT WE MUST PROVIDE.BUT WE PROVIDE FOR PUBLIC SAFETY FIRST AND FOREMOST, NO MATTER WHAT WE PROVIDE FOR PUBLIC SAFETY.
SECOND THING IS INFRASTRUCTURE. EVEN THOUGH WE GET YELLED AT A LOT BECAUSE OUR ROADS ARE UNDER CONSTRUCTION, THEY'RE UNDER CONSTRUCTION BECAUSE WE'RE NOT A NEW CITY ANYMORE, AND A MAJORITY OF OUR INFRASTRUCTURE IS 30 PLUS YEARS OLD.
WE'VE DONE A GOOD JOB MAINTAINING IT BECAUSE WE HAVE GOTTEN TO THIS POINT, AND WE ONLY NEED THE 300 SOMETHING MILLION OF INFRASTRUCTURE BECAUSE WE'VE GOT SO MUCH THAT NEEDS TO BE REPLACED. BUT THAT'S WHERE I CAME DOWN.
SO WHAT I DID IS I LOOKED AT ALL THE CATEGORIES THAT THEY WERE ASKING FOR, AND I THINK WE CAN PROBABLY GET IT DOWN CLOSER TO THE, YOU KNOW, YOU KNOW, DEPENDING ON HOW LIKE THINGS LIKE THE TRAINING CENTER ALL WORK OUT, WE CAN GET DOWN CLOSER TO THE 600, TO 630 MILLION, YOU KNOW, PLUS OR MINUS FAIRLY, I'LL SAY FAIRLY EASY SOME MAY NOT HAVE THAT SAME OPINION.
BUT FOR INSTANCE, I THINK WE MUST DO OUR PUBLIC SAFETY ON OUR INFRASTRUCTURE AND PUBLIC WORKS PROJECTS WITH EXCEPTION OF THAT IS SOME ITEMS IN THE STREETS SECTION. I BELIEVE WE COULD PULL OUT INDEPENDENTLY AND FUND THOSE OUT OF GENERAL FUND CAPITAL MAINTENANCE, YOU KNOW, OTHER AREAS ON A PAY AS YOU GO KIND OF BASIS.
AND THAT I LOOKED AT WOULD BE THE LET'S SEE WHERE'S MY NOTES HERE THAT WE WOULD BE THE DOWNTOWN RIGHT OF WAY BECAUSE I THINK WE CAN DO THAT CAPITAL MAINTENANCE. AND WE ALSO HAVE A TIF SET UP FOR THAT AREA THAT WE COULD POTENTIALLY SET IT UP AND PULL MONEY FROM TIF TO HAVE TIF FUND THAT.
SO THAT WOULD BE ONE THING THAT COULD COME OUT.
SCREENING WALLS AGAIN, BIG NECESSITY, BUT I THINK AGAIN, THAT'S SOMETHING THAT COULD BE PAID OUT OF GENERAL FUNDS, CAPITAL MAINTENANCE AS WE MOVE DOWN THE ROAD.
OTHER THAN THOSE THREE OR WELL, THERE'S FOUR, I GUESS THERE WAS TWO ITEMS IN THE PUBLIC WORKS BUT IF WE COMBINE THOSE AS ONE PUBLIC WORKS, THERE'S THOSE THREE THINGS MUST GET TAKEN CARE OF.
THE REST OF THE PROJECTS, LAND ACQUISITIONS, LIBRARY REPAIRS, ALL THESE THINGS YOU KNOW, I AGREE THAT THEY PROBABLY NEED TO BE DONE, BUT I JUST I DON'T THINK THAT WE NEED TO BORROW LONG TERM TO PAY FOR THOSE THINGS.
SO THAT'S PRETTY MUCH WHAT I SEE. AND THEN THE LAST THING IS, NO MATTER WHAT WE DO, IT'S IMPORTANT TO REMEMBER THAT THE PUBLIC, THE VOTERS ARE ULTIMATELY THE ONES THAT ARE GOING TO DECIDE.
ALL WE'RE DOING IS MAKING RECOMMENDATIONS. IT'S GOING TO BE PUT ON THE BALLOT.
OUR CITIZENS ARE THE ONES THAT ARE GOING TO DECIDE WHAT GETS DONE AND WHAT DOESN'T DO. SO ANYWAY, THAT'S MY THOUGHTS AND I'LL PASS IT ON TO COUNCILMAN WILLIAMS. THANK YOU. COUNCILMAN WILLIAMS. YES. THANK YOU.
OH, THERE WE GO. THERE YOU GO. OKAY. SORRY. THANK YOU, MAYOR.
MY CALCULUS COMBINED A COUPLE OF THINGS. FIRST, IT'S THE PERCEIVED CRITICALITY OF SEVERAL OF THESE ITEMS BASED ON THE B[INAUDIBLE]. THAT MAY BE THE LAST CHANCE I GET TO SAY THAT THE B[INAUDIBLE] RECOMMENDATIONS AND THEIR SENTIMENTS, AS WELL AS HOW WELL DEFINED SOME OF THESE WERE.
SO PRIORITIZING PUBLIC SAFETY AND INFRASTRUCTURE.
I THINK IT'S BEYOND DISPUTE FOR ANYBODY WHO'S BEEN IN IT THAT WE NEED A NEW POLICE STATION.
AND I HAVE BEEN ON THE FENCE ABOUT THE TRAINING CENTER, BUT I HAVE COME DOWN ON THE SIDE OF THE FENCE IN FAVOR OF JUST BUILDING A NEW ONE AND MAKING SURE IT LASTS US 50 YEARS. BUT THAT IS THAT IS AN INVESTMENT NOW.
BUT THEN THINGS SUCH AS ARTERIAL CONCRETE, STREET CONSTRUCTION AND OVERLAY NO DISPUTING THAT WE NEED IT, BUT IT'S $130 MILLION DOLLAR ITEM, WHICH IS A CONSPICUOUSLY ROUND NUMBER.
AND IT SUGGESTS THAT THE SPECIFIC NEEDS UNDER THAT CATEGORY HAVE NOT BEEN DEFINED.
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NOW, I HAVE NO DOUBT, AND I DID THE MATH SEVERAL YEARS AGO, IF YOU LAID OUT ALL OF PLANO'S STREETS AND ALLEYS END TO END, IT WOULD STRETCH FROM LOS ANGELES TO WASHINGTON, D.C., SO I HAVE NO DOUBT WE COULD SPEND THAT MONEY AND MORE.BUT WHEN WE'RE LOOKING AT AN HISTORIC SIZE FOR OUR BOND PACKAGE, $700 MILLION, WHICH, AS LAST MEETING WE DISCUSSED, WAS A BITTER PILL TO SWALLOW. IN LOOKING AT THE DESIRE TO GET THIS DOWN TO I KNOW JUST SHOOTING FROM THE HIP WHAT I FEEL IS A SEMI MORE PALATABLE NUMBER OF 600 MILLION. THERE ARE SEVERAL THINGS THAT THE B[INAUDIBLE] INDICATED WERE LOWER PRIORITY THAT I SAID, LET'S LOOK AT DEFERRING THOSE TO 2029 OR SEEK OTHER FUNDING.
BUT THEN FOR ARTERIAL CONCRETE STREET CONSTRUCTION AND OVERLAY, I MARKED THAT AS REDUCE OR NEEDS FURTHER DISCUSSION TO SEE HOW MUCH OF THAT IS CRITICAL TRULY IN THE NEXT FOUR YEARS AGAIN, RECOGNIZING WE COULD SPEND ALL OF THAT AND MORE IN THE NEXT FOUR YEARS AND PROBABLY INVEST QUITE A BIT IN ORANGE TRAFFIC CONES AT THE SAME TIME.
AND LIKEWISE WITH RESIDENTIAL AND COLLECTOR STREET RECONSTRUCTION, I WANTED TO SEE WHAT OPPORTUNITIES THERE WERE TO COMBINE THAT WITH RESIDENTIAL STREET AND ALLEY REPAIR, BECAUSE IN A RECENT IN A RECENT CONSENT ITEM, THERE WAS ALLEY RECONSTRUCTION DESIGNATED FOR A CERTAIN PART OF THE CITY. AND I DROVE IT BEFORE THE MEETING, AND THERE WERE CERTAINLY AREAS THAT ABSOLUTELY NEEDED REPAIR OR REPLACEMENT IN THE ALLEYS THAT I DROVE, BUT NOT ALL OF IT. SO IN THE BUDGETARY DISCUSSIONS WE'VE HAD OF LATE AND THE CHALLENGES WE'RE FACING IN OPERATING AS A BUILT OUT CITY RATHER THAN A GROWING CITY, AND SOME OF THE CHALLENGES THAT GO ALONG WITH THAT, I WANT TO SEE AGAIN WITH THE RESIDENTIAL CONSTRUCTION.
WHILE IT MIGHT BE MORE EFFICIENT OVERALL TO GO IN AND REDO EVERYTHING IN AN AREA ALL AT ONCE.
I WANT TO SEE IS THAT WORTH THE IMMEDIATE PRICE TAG, GIVEN OUR OTHER BUDGETARY CONSIDERATIONS? AND SO I'D LIKE TO AT LEAST HAVE MORE DISCUSSION WITH THE ITEMS THAT I SAID I WOULD LIKE TO SEE MOVED TO 2029 OR OTHER FUNDING.
THERE WAS ABOUT $50 MILLION THAT I SAID I WOULD LIKE TO DEFER.
AND WITH THE REMAINDER OUT OF ABOUT $250 MILLION WORTH OF STREET REPAIR.
OKAY. THANK YOU. IS CASEY ON. SHE'S NOT. OKAY, WE'LL COME BACK TO HER.
DEPUTY MAYOR PRO TEM . WELL, I AGREE WITH WHAT'S ALREADY BEEN.
GOSH, I'M REALLY FALLING APART HERE. THERE WE GO.
IT'S ALREADY BEEN SAID. I APPRECIATE AVAILABLE FOR US TO PUT OUT THERE. BUT IT'S NOT COUNCILMEMBER WILLIAMS WAS TALKING ABOUT THE DRIVING THE ALLEYWAYS AND SO BEFORE WE DO GET TO THE POINT OF MAKING THESE LARGE EXPENSES COUNT CITY MANAGER ISRAELSON CORRECT ME IF THIS IS CORRECT TO SAY THAT ANYTHING OVER $100,000 IS GOING TO COME TO COUNCIL IN ADVANCE? YES. SO SO I MEAN, IT SEEMS LIKE WE COULD GO THROUGH AND LINE ITEM, EVERYTHING.
BUT I KNOW WE'RE ON A TIME SCHEDULE HERE TO BE ABLE TO PUT THIS ON THE BALLOT.
THAT COMES OUT TO OUR TOP TWO PROPOSITION A AND B, ITEMS, 585 MILLION OF THE 700 MILLION.
SO A LARGE CHUNK OF THE MONEY WE'RE TALKING ABOUT DOES GO TOWARDS THAT.
APPRECIATE ALL THE HARD WORK THE COMMITTEE DID IN REVIEWING THE ITEMS. THERE WEREN'T A LOT THAT WERE RATED VERY LOW.
SOME OF THEM, SUCH AS SCREENING WALLS. I MEAN, MAYBE IT'S NOT A PRIORITY SAFETY WISE, BUT TO ME, THAT'S KIND OF THE FIRST IMPRESSION YOU SEE WHEN YOU DRIVE INTO OUR CITY. SO THAT I JUST REALLY HAD A HARD TIME WITH BEING ABLE TO MARK ANYTHING OFF THE LIST.
I ALSO DO RECOGNIZE THAT A LOT OF THESE PROJECTS WILL LEND THEMSELVES TO ADDITIONAL COST SAVINGS.
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MAINTENANCE BUILDING. IF THERE AREN'T ENOUGH BAYS THERE TO DO MAINTENANCE ON VEHICLES.SO WE'RE HAVING TO ACTUALLY OUTSOURCE SOME OF THE WORK THAT WE CAN'T DO IN-HOUSE.
AND QUITE FRANKLY, JUST THE LESS DISRUPTION TO OUR SERVICES TO NOT BE TRYING TO ADD ON AND PUT BAND-AIDS ON WHAT WE'VE ALREADY GOT TO EXTEND THE LIFE OF THE FACILITIES. I THINK IT WILL BE A LOT LESS DISRUPTIVE IN THE CASE OF THE POLICE HEADQUARTERS AND THE PUBLIC WORKS BUILDING, TO BE ABLE TO BUILD NEW FACILITIES AND THEN MOVE INTO THEM, AND THEN WE HAVE HAVE PLANS FOR THEM DOWN THE ROAD.
THE REALLY THE ONLY PUBLIC FEEDBACK THAT WE'VE RECEIVED THAT'S MISSING FROM THE PROPOSED ITEMS AT THIS POINT IN TIME IS THE ARTS. AND I HAVEN'T HEARD MUCH FEEDBACK FROM ANY OTHER COUNCIL MEMBERS IN THE DISCUSSIONS SO FAR OR FROM OTHERS ABOUT ABOUT HOW WE WILL ADDRESS THE ARTS.
I KNOW THIS IS VERY IMPORTANT TO A LOT OF PEOPLE.
I ALSO KNOW THAT IF WE ARE SUCCESSFUL IN PASSING THIS BOND AND BUILDING OUR NEW POLICE HEADQUARTERS AND MOVING THE EXISTING ONE OUT OF DOWNTOWN WE WILL HAVE SOME PROPERTIES THAT WILL BE AVAILABLE THAT WE CAN LOOK AT AND DECIDE HOW THEY MIGHT BE USED OR SOLD, AND GIVE US SOME ADDITIONAL MONEY. THE UNFORTUNATELY, THE TIMING OF THIS HASN'T WORKED OUT REALLY WELL WITH THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN FOR THE ARTS, WHICH IS GOING TO BE PRESENTED TO US BEGINNING OF MARCH, I BELIEVE IT IS.
SO WE REALLY CAN'T BE VERY THOUGHTFUL IN HOW WE WILL EXECUTE LONG TERM.
BUT ONE THING I DID NOTICE WHEN WE WERE VIEWING SOME OF THE FACILITIES, SOME OF THE NEEDS, SUCH AS AT THE POLICE HEADQUARTERS AND THE NEW TRAINING FACILITY WAS FOR A LARGER CLASSROOMS. AND ONE DESPERATE NEED FOR OUR COMMUNITY AND THE ARTS AND OTHER GROUPS IS TO HAVE HAVE SPACES TO MEET, TO REHEARSE THIS COMMUNITY SPACE. AND I KNOW OUR MISSION STATEMENT FOR PLANO POLICE INCLUDES IN PARTNERSHIP WITH THE COMMUNITY.
SO I WOULD JUST LIKE TO SEE THAT WE ENTERTAIN THE IDEA OF BEING INCREDIBLY THOUGHTFUL IF THE BONDS PASSED AND WE DO BUILD THESE NEW FACILITIES AND LOOKING FOR WAYS TO PARTNER WITH POLICE AND OTHER BUILDINGS SO THAT OR OTHER DEPARTMENTS, SO THAT WE CAN GET THE BEST MAXIMUM USE OUT OF ANY NEW FACILITIES. I THINK THAT WOULD BE BENEFICIAL TO EVERYBODY.
SO I, YOU KNOW, I'M OF THE OPINION THAT WE SHOULD LET THE VOTERS DECIDE WHAT THEY THINK WHAT THEY THINK WE SHOULD PASS. SO THAT'S WHERE I'M AT RIGHT NOW. THANK YOU.
MAYOR PRO TEM . THANK YOU FOR FOR ALL THE PREVIOUS COMMENTS AND STATEMENTS, BECAUSE THAT MAKES MY JOB SO MUCH EASIER. SO AFTER LOOKING AT ALL THESE NUMBERS, I FINALLY REALIZED WHY I'M A CRIMINAL LAWYER RATHER THAN AN ACCOUNTANT, BECAUSE I FRANKLY CANNOT LOOK AT THE NUMBERS AND TELL YOU EXACTLY WHERE I AM WITH, YOU KNOW, A MILLION DOLLARS HERE AND $1 MILLION THERE.
ALL I CAN DO IS LOOK AT IT FROM A STANDPOINT OF SOMEBODY WHO LIVES IN PLANO AND SOMEBODY WHO RAISED HER DAUGHTER AND RAISED A FAMILY HERE IN PLANO. AND I LOOK AT THE PROPOSITION AS IS PROPOSED.
AND CURRENTLY THERE ARE A THROUGH F AND LOOKING AT THE PROPOSITION IN THE PRIORITY THAT IS SET OUT I BELIEVE IT IS REALLY A GOOD IDEA FOR OUR RESIDENTS TO TELL US, TELL THE CITY OF PLANO WHAT IS IMPORTANT, WHAT IS THEIR PRIORITY? THE WAY IT'S LAID OUT RIGHT NOW, I BELIEVE IT'S DEFINITELY MY PRIORITY.
WE DEFINITELY WANT TO MAKE SURE OUR STREETS ARE IMPROVED.
WE DEFINITELY WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE HAVE STRONG POLICE PRESENCE.
WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WHEN WE HAVE ANY TYPE OF WEATHER TYPE STORMS OR ANY FIRES THAT, YOU KNOW, OUR FIRE DEPARTMENT IS RIGHT THERE. IF WE HAVE MEDICAL EMERGENCY.
WE WANT OUR MEDICAL 911 TO BE THERE. SO THOSE THREE ARE MY TOP PRIORITIES.
AS FOR THE THINGS THAT ARE RELATED TO TO OUR FUTURE, WHICH IS OUR CHILDREN, OUR FUTURE PLANO RESIDENTS WHO ARE GOING TO MAKE AN IMPACT I THINK THE LIBRARY AS WELL AS
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THE WHAT WAS THE OTHER ONE? YEAH, THE LIBRARIES AND THE PARKS.AND, YOU KNOW, THE RESIDENTS ARE GOING TO HAVE TO DECIDE WHETHER OR NOT THEY ARE WILLING TO INVEST NOW OR PUSH IT DOWN THE ROAD FOUR YEARS LATER AND THEN INVEST IN AN INFLATION TYPE AMOUNT LATER ON. SO I HAVE A LITTLE MARKINGS OF WHERE I BELIEVE MY PRIORITY IS BUT AFTER LOOKING AT THE PROPOSITION, I BELIEVE IT IS EXACTLY THE WAY THAT I WOULD HAVE PRESENTED THE PROPOSITION IN THE PRIORITY THAT IT IS, AND I WOULD JUST LEAVE IT. LIKE DEPUTY MAYOR PRO TEM , I WOULD LEAVE IT FOR THE RESIDENTS TO MAKE THAT DECISION.
AND I, BELIEVE THAT THE BOARD THAT PUT THAT PUT THIS PROPOSAL TOGETHER, THEY WORKED HARD AND YOU KNOW, IT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT THEY LIKE PRESENTING TO US AS A RECOMMENDATION FOR A BOND REFERENDUM JUST BECAUSE THEY TOO ARE RESIDENTS AND THEY DON'T WANT THEIR TAXES TO GO UP. BUT IT IS IT'S GOING TO, BECAUSE PLANO IS GETTING OLD.
WE NEED TO FIX IT IN ORDER TO BE COMPETITIVE.
YOU KNOW, SO THAT'S HOW I'M GOING TO END IT. OKAY.
COUNCIL MEMBER PRINCE. I DON'T KNOW IF YOU HEARD, BUT I JUST WANTED YOU TO KIND OF GIVE ME YOUR SYNOPSIS ON WHAT YOU'D LIKE TO SEE OUT OF THE DOLLAR AMOUNT AND ANY OTHER ITEM LISTED IN THE PROPS. SO, YEAH, I MISSED SOME OF THE EARLIER CONVERSATIONS, SO I DON'T KNOW HOW MUCH OF THIS HAS BEEN DISCUSSED, BUT ON THE POLICE HEADQUARTERS AND THE REPLACEMENT, I HAVE HEARD SOME CONCERNS FROM RESIDENTS JUST ABOUT THIS BEING USED FOR THAT LOCATION BECAUSE IT WAS INITIALLY SET ASIDE FOR PARK LAND.
SO I WOULD LIKE THERE TO BE SOME MORE DISCUSSION ABOUT THAT AS WELL AS JUST THE JUST THE THOUGHT ABOUT IS THIS LAND, YOU KNOW, FAR ENOUGH EAST BECAUSE I KNOW SOME OF THE RECOMMENDATIONS WHEN I READ THROUGH THE BOND INFORMATION WAS WE NEEDED MORE, WE NEEDED TO SERVE THE EAST SIDE AS WELL.
AND SO I JUST DIDN'T KNOW IF THIS WAS THE IDEAL LOCATION FOR THAT.
SAME THING WITH THE HALL PARK. THIS FEEDS INTO THAT.
SO I'D LIKE TO HAVE MORE DISCUSSION ABOUT THAT.
I WOULD LIKE TO REMOVE THE MISCELLANEOUS. THE $810,000 FOR MISCELLANEOUS UNDER TRAFFIC IMPROVEMENTS.
AND THEN ALSO I WOULD LIKE TO SEE US INSTEAD OF COMPLETELY REBUILD THE POLICE TRAINING CENTER.
I LIKE THAT AMOUNT TO GO DOWN AND SEE IF WE CAN REFURBISH INSTEAD OF REBUILD.
AND THEN I WOULD LIKE TO SEE POTENTIALLY US FOCUS ON FOR THE RESIDENTIAL AND COLLECTOR STREET RECONSTRUCTION THAT WAS LOWER ON THEIR PRIORITY LIST.
SO I'D LIKE TO FOCUS ON REPAIRS RATHER THAN OH, I'M SORRY, I'M TALKING ABOUT THE ALLEYS.
I'D RATHER SEE US ON THE ALLEY RECONSTRUCTION FOCUS ON REPAIRING ALLEYS AND NOT BUILDING NEW ALLEYS.
SO THOSE WERE THE MAIN, THINGS FOR ON MY LIST.
GOT IT. THANK YOU. COUNCILMAN HORNE. THANK YOU.
HOLD ON, LET ME GET YOU ON. THERE YOU GO. THANK YOU.
I SPENT A CONSIDERABLE AMOUNT OF TIME LOOKING OVER THESE PROJECTS.
LOOKING OVER THE DOLLAR AMOUNT. PLEASE UNDERSTAND THAT THE EMAILS THAT JUST MOST OF THE EMAILS WE GET ARE CONCERNED WITH OUR STREETS AND INFRASTRUCTURE.
EVERYBODY SAYS YOU'RE VOTING ON FIXING POTHOLES, AND THAT'S PRETTY MUCH WHAT WE'RE FACED WITH TODAY.
BUT ALSO PLANO'S FIRE AND RESCUE AND OUR POLICE ARE I WOULD PUT THEM IN THE BEST IN THE NATION.
SO PUBLIC SAFETY IS CERTAINLY HIGH ON OUR PRIORITIES.
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AWARDS WE'RE GETTING. AND THEN IT HASN'T BEEN UNTIL RECENTLY THAT I'VE SEEN OUR POPULATION REALLY I'VE WITNESSED PERSONALLY A POPULATION VISITING THE LIBRARY SYSTEM THAT WE HAVE.YOU GO IN THERE ANYTIME IN THE EVENINGS, ON THE WEEKENDS IT'S PACKED.
THERE'S ACTIVITIES GOING ON ALL THE TIME, BUT AN AREA THAT YOU PROBABLY NEVER SEE OR EVEN THINK ABOUT IS OUR MAINTENANCE FACILITY. WHO KEEPS OUR FIRE ENGINES RUNNING? WHO KEEPS THE POLICE STATION, OUR CARS RUNNING? WHO RETROFITS THE NEW CARS, THE NEW TAHOES THAT WE GET? IT'S OUR MAINTENANCE FACILITY. WHO MAINTAINS THE LAWNMOWERS? WHO MAINTAINS EVERY DAY, 24 OVER SEVEN, OUR TRASH TRUCKS.
IT'S THE MAINTENANCE FACILITY. AND WE WENT AND I TOURED IT.
AND IT IS CRAMPED. I MEAN, IT IS IT JUST HAS TO BE BIGGER.
IF THEY'RE GOING TO DO REPAIR ON OUR NEW ENGINES, THEY HAVE TO TAKE THE ENGINES OUTSIDE IF THEY'RE GOING TO DO THAT, BECAUSE THERE'S NOT ENOUGH BAY SPACE IN IT. SO WHEN WE LOOK AT ALL THESE PROJECTS, I WOULD LIKE TO SAY I'D LIKE TO HAVE THEM ALL AT THE SINGLE TIME, BUT I'M A TAXPAYER ALSO. AND WHEN I LOOKED AT THE DOLLAR AMOUNT, THERE'S STICKER SHOCK.
WHEN WE LOOK AT JUST THE STREET COMPONENT THAT'S ALMOST HIGHER THAN ALL THE BONDS THAT WE'VE HAD IN THE PREVIOUS 15, 16 YEARS, JUST ON THE STREET, IMPROVEMENTS AND INFRASTRUCTURE.
SO I FELT LIKE FROM A STICKER SHOCK PERSPECTIVE, SOMETHING HAD TO GIVE.
AND IN THAT I FELT LIKE THAT, THAT THERE WERE SEVERAL APPROACHES.
IT'S A MATTER OF TIMING. I LOOK AT HALL PARK.
THAT WAS TIED TO WHERE WE'RE GOING TO HAVE PLACEMENT OF FIRE STATION 14, OUR NEW STATION, WHICH, BY THE WAY, WE NEED BECAUSE OF THE RESPONSE TIME, WHAT WE'RE GOING TO IMPROVE ON WITH REGARDS TO COLLIN CREEK AND HERITAGE CREEKSIDE AND ALSO CENTRAL PLANO, BUT ALSO OUR NEW POLICE STATION, WHICH WE DESPERATELY NEED, AND THE PCS OR PSC COMPONENT OF IT. I THINK BECAUSE OF THE AMOUNT OF CONSTRUCTION THAT'S GOING ON WITH THOSE TWO FACILITIES, IF THIS THIS BOND GETS PASSED THAT WE CAN DELAY THE PROCUREMENT OF THE $10 MILLION FOR THE IMPROVEMENTS ON HALL PARK.
SO I SAID, OKAY, I'LL GIVE HIM SOME MISCELLANEOUS, BUT I ALSO REDUCED THE COST OF THAT.
I HAD ANOTHER NOVEL APPROACH. I WOULD LIKE TO PUSH THE POLICE TRAINING STATION TO THE NEXT BOND OR OTHER FUNDING SOURCE. AND THE REASON WHY THIS WAS A NOVEL APPROACH.
WE HAVE A NEW POLICE STATION IF THAT GETS BUILT.
WHAT DO WE DO WITH THE OLD POLICE STATION? WE CAN SELL IT.
I MEAN, WE HAVE WE AS A COUNCIL, WE CAN SELL IT.
IF WE SELL THAT PRIME REAL ESTATE DOWNTOWN, IT WILL PAY FOR THAT POLICE TRAINING FACILITY AND GIVE YOU TEMPERATURE CONTROL, FIRING RANGE, I GUARANTEE IT. BUT THAT'S JUST A NOVEL APPROACH THERE.
WE WOULDN'T HAVE TO ASK FOR BOND MONEY FOR THAT.
THE SCREENING WALL RECONSTRUCTION, ALLEY RECONSTRUCTION.
AND I ALSO HAD IN THERE I PUSHED OFF THE FACILITY MAINTENANCE FACILITY, THE LAND ACQUISITION.
SO THOSE WERE THE APPROACHES I TOOK WHEN I LOOKED AT THESE NUMBERS.
THANK YOU. COUNCILMAN HORNE. COUNCILMAN RICCIARDELLI.
THANK YOU MAYOR. SO I'LL START BY BRIEFLY ECHOING A LOT OF WHAT'S ALREADY BEEN SAID.
YOU KNOW, WE ALWAYS HEAR ABOUT PUBLIC SAFETY AND ROADS AS BEING PRIORITIES.
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YOU KNOW, FOR POLICE AND FIRE, THERE'S NOTHING I DO IN MY JOB WHERE IF I DON'T DO IT RIGHT IN FIVE MINUTES, SOMEBODY MIGHT DIE. YOU KNOW, SO THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE HAVE TO GET RIGHT.AND ROADS, AS COUNCIL MEMBER HORNE AND SO MANY OTHERS HAVE ALLUDED TO YOU KNOW IF CITIZENS DIDN'T EMAIL ABOUT ROADS, WE MIGHT ACTUALLY BE ABLE TO SAVE ON TECHNOLOGY SERVICES A LITTLE BIT. YOU KNOW, SOME OF OUR SERVERS MIGHT FREE UP.
BUT ANYWAY, SO THAT IS A CONSTANT PRIORITY. SO, I MEAN, WE HAVE TO PRIORITIZE THOSE.
I ALSO AGREE WITH WHAT I'VE HEARD ABOUT CHOICES.
I THINK THE MOST IMPORTANT CHANGE IS IN OUR VOTER INFORMATION MATERIALS.
I WOULD LIKE TO SEE US GIVE THE 20 YEAR CUMULATIVE IMPACT, BECAUSE HISTORICALLY, WHAT WE'VE DONE IS WE'VE GIVEN THE YEAR FOR ONE YEAR IMPACT. AND I THINK PEOPLE FREQUENTLY MISUNDERSTAND THAT AND THINK THAT'S THE ALL IN COST OF THIS BOND PACKAGE.
YOU KNOW, I'M IN FOR FOR $400, RIGHT, YOU KNOW, BUT ACTUALLY, IF WE LOOK AT THE OVERALL COST, IF WE WERE TO STAY AT 700 MILLION. STAFF HAS CALCULATED THAT THE PAYMENTS FOR THAT WOULD BE YOU KNOW, INCLUDING THE INTEREST ON THE DEBT WOULD BE 1 BILLION, 85 MILLION OVER 20 YEARS.
AND THEN IF YOU JUST DO SOME BACK OF THE ENVELOPE MATH, ABOUT 50% OF OUR TAX BASE IS RESIDENTIAL, SO THAT MEANS THAT MORE THAN 500 MILLION IS BEING PAID BY HOMEOWNERS THROUGH THEIR PROPERTY TAXES.
AND THEN WHEN YOU FURTHER BREAK THAT DOWN INTO THE FACT THAT WE'VE GOT ABOUT 72,000 SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENCES IN THE CITY, IF YOU DO THE MATH AGAIN, THIS IS, YOU KNOW, BACK OF THE ENVELOPE MATH, BUT IT'S MORE THAN $7,000 FOR THE MEAN AVERAGE HOMEOWNER.
I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S THE MEDIAN OVER. OVER 20 YEARS.
OVER 20 YEARS. I'M SORRY. THANK YOU FOR THAT CLARIFICATION, MAYOR. NOT IN ANY ONE YEAR, BUT I JUST WANT TO MAKE CLEAR THAT, YOU KNOW, IF WE APPROVE THIS BOND PACKAGE, THAT'S I WANT RESIDENTS TO UNDERSTAND THAT'S WHAT WE'RE SIGNING UP FOR.
IT MIGHT BE EVEN A LITTLE BIT MORE THAN THAT, BUT IT'S ON THAT ORDER OF MAGNITUDE.
SO THAT'S YOU KNOW, THAT IS THE.
ABSOLUTELY. AND THAT'S ANOTHER THING I HAD ASKED ABOUT. ALL THE SENIORS ARE FROZEN AND SO SO THAT'S A GREAT POINT, MAYOR. SO FOR THOSE OF US WHO HAVE NOT YET ATTAINED THE HONOR OF THE TAX FREEZE, YOU KNOW, THE ACTUAL IMPACT COULD BE QUITE A BIT MORE. YOU'RE RIGHT. FOR FOR THE SENIORS, IT COULD BE LESS.
ANYWAY YOU KNOW SO THAT THAT'S SO YOU'RE RIGHT.
SOME TAXPAYERS WON'T SEE THAT IMPACT. OTHER TAXPAYERS WILL SEE A GREATER IMPACT AS A RESULT OF THAT.
BUT THAT'S A GREAT POINT, MAYOR. AND SO THAT INFORMATION IS CRITICAL TO PROVIDE THOSE CHOICES.
AND ALSO COUNCIL MEMBER PRINCE AND I THINK I'VE HEARD SOME OTHERS SAY THIS, BREAKING OUT SOME OF THE BIG TICKET ITEMS IS REALLY CRITICAL FOR GIVING VOTERS MEANINGFUL CHOICES. SO I'D LIKE TO SEE US BREAK THIS OUT A LITTLE BIT MORE.
I THINK IT'S THAT SIGNIFICANT. WE ONLY HAVE A FEW OF THOSE ON THIS LIST.
SO I DON'T THINK WE WOULD HAVE TOO MANY THINGS ON HERE.
I WILL ALSO, YOU KNOW, ADDRESS KIND OF WHERE WE ARE AS A CITY.
WE'RE REACHING MATURITY, RIGHT IN TERMS OF BUILD OUT.
CERTAINLY REBUILDING EXISTING THINGS IS A MAINTENANCE MINDSET.
SO TAKING ALL OF THAT INTO ACCOUNT, GOING THROUGH THESE SPECIFIC ITEMS. ONE THING I LOOKED AT WAS HALL PARK, AS COUNCIL MEMBER HORNE MENTIONED, YOU KNOW, I ASKED ABOUT THAT HAVE CITIZENS BEEN ASKING FOR THAT? AND, YOU KNOW, THE RESPONSE FROM THE STAFF WAS, AT THIS POINT IN TIME, CITIZENS HAVE NOT DEMANDED THAT HALL PARK BE BUILT.
AND THEN THERE WAS MORE INFORMATION ABOUT IT NOT BEING WIDELY KNOWN THAT PDHQ COULD BE BUILT THERE, YOU KNOW, AS PART OF THIS BOND PACKAGE. BUT I WOULD DEFER THAT GIVEN THAT THERE ARE SO MANY PRESSING ISSUES, IF THERE'S NOT REALLY A CITIZEN DEMAND FOR THAT $10 MILLION PROJECT, I WOULD I WOULD DEFER HALL PARK.
I WOULD FURTHER GO THROUGH AND THE PARKS MAINTENANCE WEST FACILITY, WHICH I THINK DOES NEED TO BE REBUILT THAT'S PART OF THE PARKWAY SERVICES CENTER REBUILD. BUT, YOU KNOW, I LOOKED INTO THAT. IT'S GOT A $9 MILLION PRICE TAG FOR A 6,584 SQUARE FOOT BUILDING
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WITH RELATED FACILITIES ON ABOUT THREE ACRES.AND THE CONSTRUCTION COST PER SQUARE FOOT THE WAY THAT WE'VE GOT IT NOW IS $755 PER SQUARE FOOT.
YOU KNOW, I CHECKED WITH MY WIFE, WHO WORKS IN COMMERCIAL REAL ESTATE, AND RIGHT NOW IN UPTOWN DALLAS, INCLUDING LAND COSTS CLASS AA OFFICE IS BEING BUILT FOR AROUND $1,000 PER SQUARE FOOT.
HIGH END INDUSTRIAL IS BEING BUILT FOR ANYWHERE UP TO $180 A SQUARE FOOT.
SO I JUST I THINK WE'VE GOT A VALUE ENGINEER THAT A LITTLE BIT, I WOULD PROBABLY YOU KNOW, JUST CUT THAT NUMBER IN HALF AND SAY, LET'S VALUE ENGINEER THIS.
AND OBVIOUSLY WE HAVE TO BUILD IT. BUT THE PER SQUARE FOOT COST IS JUST HIGHER THAN I CAN SUPPORT.
MISCELLANEOUS A COUPLE COUNCIL MEMBERS HAVE MENTIONED THIS, BUT MISCELLANEOUS UNDER TRAFFIC IMPROVEMENTS. I JUST, YOU KNOW, I CAN'T GET BEHIND SENDING MISCELLANEOUS TO THE VOTERS. THE MISCELLANEOUS IN MY MIND HAS TO COME OUT.
THAT LENDS ITSELF PERFECTLY TO REMODELING ONE LIBRARY EVERY FOUR YEARS.
AND I WILL TELL YOU, THIS IS AGAINST MY OWN SELF-INTEREST.
I LIVE WALKING DISTANCE FROM PARR LIBRARY. I GO THERE ALL THE TIME.
BUT PARR LIBRARY IS ONLY 24 YEARS OLD. EVERY TIME I WALK IN THERE, I THINK, MAN, THIS LOOKS GREAT, YOU KNOW? AND SO IT JUST DOES NOT STRIKE ME AS SOMETHING THAT IS AN URGENT PRIORITY FOR BEING REMODELED AT THIS TIME.
HAGGARD LIBRARY I USED A LOT GROWING UP. YOU KNOW, AND IT'S BY WHERE MY PARENTS STILL LIVE.
BUT IT'S 35 YEARS OLD, AND SCHIMELPFENIG IS 43.
SO I WOULD DEFER HAGGARD TO 2029 AND PARR TO 2033 AND GET ON A CYCLE WHERE WE LOOK AT ONE OF OUR FIVE LIBRARIES EVERY FOUR YEARS, BECAUSE THE LIFE OF OUR BONDS IS 20 YEARS. SO OVER A 20 YEAR CYCLE, WE'LL DO ALL FIVE LIBRARIES.
SO ANYWAY, THAT WOULD BE MY SUGGESTION ON THAT AND THEN A FEW OTHER THINGS, LAND ACQUISITIONS FOR PARKS. YOU KNOW, THE STAFF HAS PUT A LOT OF WORK INTO FIGURING OUT WHAT THE COST OF GETTING THE ACREAGE THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT AT LAVON FARMS IS.
BUT I'D LIKE TO LOOK AT SEEING IF WE CAN EITHER NEGOTIATE WITH THE DEVELOPER OR REDUCE THAT ACREAGE.
BECAUSE WHEN I LOOK AT BRUCE GLASSCOCK PARK, WHICH IS, YOU KNOW, A PARK THAT'S DESIGNED TO BUILD A VERY DENSE OR TO SERVE A VERY DENSE AREA OF TOWN AND IN A VERY, YOU KNOW, HIGH COST, HIGH LAND COST AREA OF TOWN THAT BEING AT 10 MILLION AND LAVON FARMS BEING AT 15 MILLION, I CAN DEFINITELY SEE THAT THE LAND WOULD COST THAT FOR THAT MUCH LAND, BUT I JUST, I FEEL LIKE WHEN WE'RE FACED WITH, YOU KNOW, HAVING TO TRIM SOMEWHERE TO GET DOWN TO THE 600 MILLION NUMBER THAT SOME OF MY COLLEAGUES ARE TALKING ABOUT THAT I SUPPORT AS WELL. THAT'S AN AREA WHERE I THINK WE'VE GOT TO GO DOWN FROM 15 TO 10.
AND THEN ALSO THE 5 MILLION FOR UNIDENTIFIED LAND PURCHASES.
AND SO I WOULD DEFER THAT. AND THEN SHELL PARK I WOULD DEFER THAT AS WELL.
AND, YOU KNOW, IT'S DEFINITELY QUAINT. YOU KNOW, IT KIND OF REMINDS ME OF MY CHILDHOOD IN SOME WAYS, WHICH I ACTUALLY REALLY ENJOYED. BUT THERE WAS NOTHING WHEN I WAS THERE THAT I THOUGHT WAS NOT GOOD ENOUGH FOR MY OWN CHILDREN.
AND SO I THINK THAT ONE CAN WAIT FOUR YEARS, YOU KNOW, USING THAT STANDARD OF, YOU KNOW, I WOULD NOT SAY IT'S GOOD ENOUGH FOR ANYBODY ELSE'S KIDS UNLESS IT'S GOOD ENOUGH FOR MY KIDS, BUT IT IS GOOD ENOUGH FOR MY KIDS.
SPECIFICALLY TO INVEST IN DOWNTOWN THAT'S THE WHOLE POINT OF IT.
AND SO TO ME TO SAY WE'RE GOING TO TAKE ON CITYWIDE DEBT INSTEAD OF USING THE TIRZ ON THAT IS A LITTLE BIT OF DOUBLE DIPPING, YOU KNOW, BECAUSE THAT TIRZ IS SUPPOSED TO SUPPORT INFRASTRUCTURE IN THE TIRZ ZONE.
AND SO I WOULD SAY, LET'S DEDICATE THE NEXT TWO YEARS OF TIRZ REVENUE.
WE CAN DO THAT AS A COUNCIL. I KNOW THAT'S NOT THE NORMAL PROCESS, BUT WE CAN DO THAT.
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INTEREST, YOU KNOW, MORE DEBT FOR THE CITY. THEN ALSO THE FACILITIES MAINTENANCE FACILITY, LAND ACQUISITION, THAT 3.93 MILLION ACTUALLY IS NOT THE MONEY THAT WE'RE USING TO ACQUIRE THE LAND ITSELF.IT'S MONEY THAT WE'RE USING TO REPAY THE LAND BANK FOR ACQUIRING THAT LAND.
I AGREE THAT THAT REPAYMENT SHOULD HAPPEN AT SOME POINT, BUT IF WE TAKE OUT DEBT AND WE'RE PAYING INTEREST, YOU KNOW, THERE'S TICKING INTEREST ON THIS MONEY.
TO ME, WE'RE TAKING OUT A LOAN AND PAYING INTEREST JUST TO MOVE MONEY FROM ONE ACCOUNT TO ANOTHER.
AND, YOU KNOW, I THINK IF THE LAND BANK RUNS OUT OF MONEY, THAT MIGHT BE THE TIME WHERE, WHERE IF WE HAD TO TAKE OUT A LOAN, WE MIGHT. BUT I JUST DON'T THINK WE SHOULD BE TAKING PAYING INTEREST IN TAKING OUT DEBT TO MOVE MONEY FROM ONE ACCOUNT TO ANOTHER.
AND THEN SCREENING WALL RECONSTRUCTION AS COUNCIL MEMBER HORNE AND OTHERS HAVE MENTIONED I AGREE WITH COUNCIL MEMBER OR DEPUTY MAYOR PRO TEM HOLMER SCREENING WALLS ARE IMPORTANT, BUT THEY WERE RANKED PRETTY LOW BY THE BOND REVIEW CITIZEN ADVISORY COMMITTEE.
THEY WERE TOWARD THE VERY BOTTOM, AND ONLY ONE OUT OF EIGHT RANKED THAT A HIGH PRIORITY.
SO I WOULD SAY THAT'S SOMETHING WHERE WE CAN, AS OTHERS HAVE HAVE MENTIONED, MOVE THAT TO OUR CAPITAL MAINTENANCE FUND AND TRY TO FUND THE NEEDED SCREENING WALL WORK THROUGH THERE.
SO I WOULD EITHER REDUCE THAT OR TAKE THAT OUT AND THEN FINALLY ON THE 5 MILLION FOR THE UNIDENTIFIED PARK IMPROVEMENTS, YOU KNOW, I THINK WE NEED SOME OF THAT BECAUSE WE DO GET UNANTICIPATED REQUEST.
WE GOT A PETITION TODAY, YOU KNOW, ABOUT RASOR PARK.
BUT I WOULD REDUCE THAT TO 2 MILLION JUST BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, AGAIN, THINGS WHERE WE DON'T HAVE IDENTIFIED NEEDS YET, I THINK ARE THINGS THAT BY DEFINITION, WE DON'T KNOW YET WHAT WE WOULD SPEND THE MONEY ON THAT HAS A BETTER CHANCE OF BEING ABLE TO WAIT THAN YOU KNOW, THAN SOMETHING WHERE WE HAVEN'T IDENTIFIED A PRESSING NEED.
AND THEN FINALLY ON THE ON THE POLICE TRAINING CENTER LIKE COUNCIL MEMBERS WILLIAMS, PRINCE, AND HORNE I WAS ON THE FENCE ABOUT THAT ONE AS WELL, JUST BECAUSE IT'S, YOU KNOW, IT'S 34 YEARS OLD.
YOU KNOW, WAS WONDERING LAST MEETING. CAN WE GET MORE LIFE OUT OF IT? BUT I TOURED THAT FACILITY. IT'S YOU KNOW IN NEED OF VERY SIGNIFICANT WORK.
AND I HAVE QUESTIONS ABOUT WHETHER IT'S THE BEST USE OF MONEY TO SPEND 30 MILLION TO RENOVATE, RATHER THAN 50 MILLION FOR A NEW BUILD. AND SO I WOULD ECHO COMMENTS THAT I THINK COUNCIL MEMBER WILLIAMS MADE.
I THINK HORNE AND PRINCE MADE COMMENTS TO THIS EFFECT.
AND I ALSO THINK WE NEED TO PURSUE BETTER COST RECOVERY FROM OTHER DEPARTMENTS THAT ARE USING THAT FACILITY, BECAUSE THAT IS A BIG NUMBER. IT'S A BIG BURDEN ON OUR TAXPAYERS.
BUT A LOT OF THOSE ROADS EMAILS ARE MY GOODNESS, YOU'RE DOING TOO MUCH.
AT THE SAME TIME, I'M REALLY UPSET ABOUT ALL THE CLOSURES AND TRAFFIC.
AND SO I THINK IF WE WERE TO SCALE BACK THE PACE JUST SLIGHTLY, YOU KNOW, WITHOUT YOU KNOW, WITHOUT FALLING BEHIND ON MAINTENANCE, BUT, YOU KNOW, MAYBE, MAYBE, YOU KNOW, GIVE OUR ROADS JUST SLIGHTLY MORE BREATHING ROOM.
SO IF WE DO ALL OF THAT, I THINK WE CAN GET DOWN TOWARD THAT $600 MILLION MARK.
WELL, I MAY HAVE REGRETTED GOING THIS ROUTE. BUT LET ME BE REAL BRIEF, BECAUSE WE'RE GOING TO START OUR REGULAR MEETING IN JUST FIVE MINUTES.
I'M NOT SURE I GOT A WHOLE LOT OF CLARITY THERE.
BUT I DO AGREE WITH ALL OF YOU. I THINK WE ALL AGREE ON A, B, C, AND D ARE VERY IMPORTANT WITH SOME EXCEPTIONS THAT EVERYBODY SPOKE OF.
I'M IN FULLY SUPPORT OF THE TRAINING CENTER BEING BUILT.
IT'S CRITICAL. IT'S IMPORTANT. THERE ARE SOME, SOME AREAS THAT THAT COULD BE PUSHED ON TO 29.
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AND I THINK A LOT OF YOU MENTIONED THOSE. I THINK WHAT WE HAVE TO DO AND WE'LL COME BACK TO THAT AFTER WE START OUR MEETING.BUT WHAT WE HAVE TO REALLY ESTABLISH IS WHAT THAT NUMBER IS GOING TO BE.
AND THEN THE PROPOSITIONS AND WHETHER OR NOT WE WANT SIX OF THEM OR JUST FOUR OF THEM.
AND, I THINK THAT'S, SOMETHING THAT, WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO WORK THROUGH.
I DO UNDERSTAND A LOT OF YOUR LOGIC ON THE HALL PARK AND THE DOWNTOWN INFRASTRUCTURE, THOSE KIND OF THINGS I CERTAINLY AGREE WITH, BUT I DON'T WANT TO AND AS DEPUTY MAYOR PRO TEM SAID, AND MAYOR PRO TEM SAYS I DON'T WANT TO MICROMANAGE THE WORK THAT'S BEEN DONE BY CITY STAFF AND ALL THE WORK THAT THEY'VE PUT INTO OVER, OVER THE LAST YEAR.
BASED ON OUR QUITE FRANKLY, IT'S ARBITRARY WHAT WE THINK THAT NUMBER SHOULD BE.
AND AGAIN, I, KNOW IT'S A BIG NUMBER. WE'RE A BIG CITY.
WE'RE THE NINTH LARGEST CITY IN TEXAS. AND WE HAVE TO TAKE CARE OF OUR CITY, TO BE THIS CITY OF EXCELLENCE THAT WE ALWAYS TALK ABOUT.
AND COMPANIES AND OUR RESIDENTS MOVE HERE BECAUSE WE TAKE CARE OF IT.
WE'RE THE SAFEST CITY IN TEXAS AND ALL ACROSS THE UNITED STATES.
AND WE DO THAT BECAUSE WE MAKE SURE THAT THE POLICE ARE TRAINED PROPERLY, THAT THEY HAVE A GOOD DEPARTMENT TO WORK OUT OF GOOD FACILITIES, GOOD AUTOMOBILES, ALL THE TECHNOLOGY THEY NEED TO BE EFFECTIVE.
SAME WITH, OUR FIRE DEPARTMENT. AND THEN AS YOU ALL KNOW, AND WE HEAR IT EVERY DAY AND ALL OF YOU LET US KNOW THAT WE DO PRIORITIZE OUR INFRASTRUCTURE AND SO MANY OF OUR COMPANIES THAT HAVE MOVED TO PLANO APPRECIATE THE FACT THAT OUR INFRASTRUCTURE IS A HIGH PRIORITY TO US. AND IT'S OBVIOUSLY A BIG PRIORITY.
WE KNOCKED OUT ABOUT 25 MILES IN THE LAST FOUR YEARS.
AND WE HOPE TO WE HOPE TO OUTDO THAT OVER THE NEXT FOUR YEARS.
SO YOU SEE HOW EXPENSIVE IT IS TO NOT ONLY REPAIR THE CONCRETE UNDERNEATH, BUT THE OVERLAY JUST MAKES IT A SMOOTHER RIDE.
AND IT ALSO LASTS MUCH LONGER. AND WE HAVE GOTTEN SO MANY GOOD FEEDBACK, SO MUCH GOOD FEEDBACK IN REGARD TO WHAT WE'RE DOING IN OUR ROADS. AND WE REALLY DO FEEL LIKE THAT THEY'RE GOING TO LAST MUCH LONGER THAN THEY HAVE IN THE PAST.
OUR COMMITMENT IS STILL THERE. WE'RE GOING TO COMMIT TO DOING THAT.
AS WE MOVE ALONG. BUT WHEN WE START UP AGAIN HERE, AFTER WE START OUR REGULAR MEETING WE NEED TO KIND OF COME TO A CONSENSUS ON A NUMBER, A TOTAL NUMBER, AND THEN COME TO A CONSENSUS ON THE PROPOSITIONS, BECAUSE WE GOT TO DO THIS TONIGHT. SO WITH THAT BEING SAID, I'LL TAKE A RECESS AND WE'LL START THE MEETING RIGHT NOW. PRELIMINARY OPEN MEETING. I WILL WE'LL COME BACK TO ITEM NUMBER TWO.
BUT FOR THE SAKE OF TIME AND MAKING SURE OUR BOARD MEMBERS DON'T HATE ME FOR THIS, I WANT TO BRING LET'S MOVE ON TO ITEM NUMBER THREE DART PRESENTATION.
PAUL WAGEMAN AND NATHAN BARBERA ARE MEMBERS OF THE DART BOARD OF DIRECTORS FOR EVENING.
QUESTIONS FROM THE COUNCIL MEMBERS ? OKAY.
GO AHEAD. SO I GUESS I HAVE A WHOLE BUNCH OF QUESTIONS, BUT FIRST OF ALL, I WANTED TO THANK YOU.
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AS OTHERS THINK, WE'RE MORE PRIVILEGED. SO IT FEELS LIKE WE SHOULD CONTRIBUTE MORE TO SUBSIDIZE THE DART PROGRAM.AND SO I UNDERSTAND THAT THE TWO OF YOU ARE WORKING VERY HARD FOR THE BEST INTERESTS OF PLANO, AND I WANT TO RECOGNIZE THAT. SO THE SECOND QUESTION I HAVE IS ARE THERE ANY UPDATES? IS THERE ANY PROGRESS AS TO WHERE WE'RE AT WITH REGARD TO OUR DISCUSSIONS WITH DART? THAT'S A GOOD QUESTION WITH NOT AN EASY ANSWER.
UNFORTUNATELY, THAT DISCUSSION HAS FOCUSED MORE ON SERVICE THAN ON EXPENDITURES, WHICH I KNOW IS NOT NECESSARILY THE ANSWER THAT THIS COUNCIL OR THE CITY OR PAUL AND I ARE LOOKING FOR.
YEAH, I WOULD SAY COUNCILWOMAN DART IS FINALLY ENGAGED WITH THE CITY.
IT'S TAKEN WAY TOO LONG TO GET THE MEETINGS TO OCCUR.
THERE HAVE BEEN FRANK CONVERSATIONS HAD BY THE DART REPRESENTATIVES WITH THE CITY AND NATHAN AND I, BUT THE ANSWER IS THE BOARD. AND I DON'T BELIEVE THE SENIOR STAFF REALLY WANTS TO ADDRESS THE KEY ISSUES THAT MAYOR MUNS ARTICULATED IN THE LETTER HE SENT TO OUR BOARD CHAIR. YOU KNOW, WE JUST HAVE AN ISSUE ON THE BOARD WHERE THERE'S EITHER LACK OF CONFIDENCE IN THE REPORT THAT ERNST AND YOUNG PREPARED AND CIRCULATED TO ALL THE CITIES. YOU KNOW, SOME OF THEM JUST DON'T BELIEVE THAT PLANO IS SUBSIDIZING OR SUPPORTING THE OPERATIONS OF THE AGENCY.
SO YOU KNOW, EVEN ON THE SERVICE FRONT, THEY'RE TALKING ABOUT PROJECTS THAT THIS CITY HAS BEEN WISHING THE AGENCY TO DO FOR MULTIPLE YEARS. THESE ARE PROJECTS WE SHOULD HAVE AS A MATTER OF COURSE.
THEY ARE NOT TO AMELIORATE THE FACT THAT WE'RE SUBSIDIZING THE AGENCY TO THE DEGREE WE ARE.
AND SO, EVEN IN THE CASE OF THE SERVICE, THEY HAVEN'T IDENTIFIED FUNDING TO PROVIDE IT.
SO AS WE HEAD INTO A NEW BUDGET YEAR THE AGENCY WILL EITHER CONTINUE TO A STATUS QUO BUDGET, WHICH IS TO FUND EVERYTHING WE ALREADY ARE. PERHAPS THEY'LL CONSIDER FUNDING ADDITIONAL ITEMS FOR DART AND OTHER CITIES.
DART IS NOT THE ONLY CITY IN THIS SITUATION. THANK YOU, COUNCIL MEMBER WILLIAMS. YES. THANK YOU BOTH VERY MUCH FOR REPRESENTING THE CITY ON THE DART BOARD.
THREE QUESTIONS. SO YOU MENTIONED THAT WHILE DART IS ENGAGED, THE DISCUSSIONS HAVE REVOLVED AROUND SERVICE, NOT ACTUAL FUNDING. OR AT LEAST NOT MUCH ON FUNDING FOR THE DISCUSSIONS THAT YOU ALL HAVE BEEN INVOLVED IN AND WITNESSED REGARDING SERVICE.
DO YOU SEE WHAT'S BEEN PROPOSED FOR SERVICE ADJUSTMENTS OF ANY SIGNIFICANT VALUE TO PLANO, OR MAYBE JUST AN INCREMENTAL VALUE, OR CHARACTERIZE IT AS YOU WISH? I DON'T KNOW THAT I WOULD USE THE WORD SIGNIFICANT.
LIKE MR. WAGEMAN SAID, THEY ARE THINGS THAT WE HAVE BEEN ASKING FOR, FOR A LONG TIME, SUCH AS A CIRCULATOR AND THE LEGACY AND LEGACY WEST AREAS AND A PERHAPS AN EXPRESS SERVICE TO DFW FROM THAT SAME AREA.
SO I THINK THAT THEY ARE CERTAINLY THINGS THAT WILL BENEFIT THE CITY.
I DON'T KNOW THAT I WOULD CALL THOSE SIGNIFICANT.
WHAT I WOULD CALL SIGNIFICANT WOULD BE PERHAPS REMOVING THE, IF NOT ALL THE MAJORITY OF THE BUS SERVICES AND GOING ON TO A GOLINK ZONE FOR THE ENTIRE CITY. THAT WOULD BE SIGNIFICANT. HOWEVER, WE HAVE NOT.
HAVE THERE BEEN? SORRY, THIS IS A FOLLOW UP QUESTION TO THAT. HAVE THERE BEEN ANY APPRECIABLE DISCUSSIONS ABOUT CITYWIDE GOLINK ZONE? IS IT? YES. THERE HAVE BEEN THERE HAVE BEEN SUBSTANTIVE DISCUSSIONS ABOUT THAT WITHOUT A DOUBT.
I JUST DON'T KNOW THAT THE TEMPERATURE OF THE BOARD, WITH ITS MAKEUP AND WITH ITS DALLAS BEING ABLE, YOU KNOW, HAVING THE MAJORITY OF THE BOARD, I DON'T KNOW THAT I SEE THAT COMING TO FRUITION IN THIS CURRENT DISCUSSION.
OKAY. THANK YOU. AND WHILE I, OF COURSE, WANT DART TO BE ENGAGED IN MEANINGFUL DISCUSSIONS,
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I WANT THAT ENGAGEMENT TO BE ON A SUSTAINED BASIS.WHAT'S YOUR SENSE OF DART'S WILLINGNESS TO ENGAGE BEYOND THE END OF THIS LEGISLATIVE SESSION? WELL, THAT'S AN EXCELLENT QUESTION, COUNCIL MEMBER .
I WOULD JUST BE BE CONJECTURE ON MY PART. THE FACT THAT PLANO AND OTHER CITIES ARE CONSIDERING LEGISLATIVE ACTION TO TRY TO REMEDY SOME OF THESE ISSUES, I THINK HAS CERTAINLY AND FINALLY GOTTEN THE ATTENTION OF THE AGENCY.
AND AS WE'VE SEEN, WHEN THAT ACTION DOES NOT RESULT IN THE PASSAGE OF LEGISLATION THAT THE AGENCY SORT OF RETURNS TO ITS FORM IN THE INTERIM. SO YOU KNOW, WHERE I'M STANDING, THIS IS AN EXISTENTIAL ISSUE TO OUR CITY.
WE CANNOT SUSTAIN THE LEVEL OF SUBSIDY THAT WE PROVIDE DART.
WE JUST CAN'T WE'VE ARTICULATED THAT TO OUR STAFF AND TO OUR BOARD.
AND YOU SAY WIDESPREAD SUPPORT, DO YOU MEAN AMONGST THE DART BOARD? I'M SORRY. WHEN YOU SAY THERE'S NOT WIDESPREAD SUPPORT, DO YOU MEAN AMONGST THE DART BOARD? WELL, CERTAINLY THE BOARD, BUT I DON'T HONESTLY, THE STAFF DOESN'T SEEM TO EMBRACE IT EITHER.
AND SO YOU KNOW, WE'RE WE REALLY DON'T HAVE A COMMITMENT FROM THE STAFF OR OUR BOARD TO ADDRESS THE ISSUES THAT WERE IDENTIFIED IN THE LETTER FROM THE MAYOR OR BY THE ERNST AND YOUNG REPORT.
OKAY. THANK YOU. AND MY LAST QUESTION WITH RESPECT TO THE SILVER LINE I'VE HEARD A LOT OF PEOPLE TALKING UP AND TALKING DOWN THE BENEFIT OF THE SILVER LINE TO THE CITY. NOW, WE'RE STILL A WAYS FROM ACTUALLY HAVING IT.
OF COURSE. BASED ON WHAT YOU HAVE SEEN FROM DART'S PLANS AND ALL OF YOUR DISCUSSIONS.
WHAT KIND OF REAL BENEFIT WOULD THAT PRESENT TO THE CITY WHEN IT'S ONLINE, IN YOUR ESTIMATION, PARTICULARLY WITH RESPECT TO THE SUBSIDY? WELL, SO IT'LL BE A NEW ASSET IN OUR CITY.
IT'LL BE TWO STOPS. I THINK THERE'S A TOTAL OF APPROXIMATELY TEN STOPS.
IT'S ABOUT AN HOUR FROM PLANO TO THE AIRPORT ON THE SILVER LINE.
HONESTLY, I DON'T KNOW HOW MUCH USAGE YOU'LL GET WITH THAT KIND OF TIME.
YOU KNOW, CERTAINLY WE'VE EXPERIENCED SIGNIFICANT DEVELOPMENT AROUND RAIL STATIONS IN PLANO, AND SO THERE WILL BE THAT OPPORTUNITY. SO IT WILL INCREASE THE AMOUNT OF SERVICE OBVIOUSLY TO THE, TO THE CITY. BUT WILL IT ADDRESS THE FUNDING GAP IN A SIGNIFICANT WAY? YOU KNOW, IT WILL ADDRESS SOME OF IT, BUT CERTAINLY NOT THE MAJORITY OF IT.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH, GENTLEMEN. COUNCIL MEMBER PRINCE HAS HER HAND UP.
GO AHEAD. THANK YOU. SO EVEN IF THE DART STAFF AND THE LEADERSHIP THERE DISAGREES WITH THE ERNST AND YOUNG REPORT, WHAT WOULD YOU SAY THEIR VIEWS ARE ON THE AMOUNT OF MONEY THAT WE ARE SPENDING TO SUBSIDIZE CITIZENS FROM OUR NORTHERN CITIES TRAVELING DOWN TO THE SOUTH TO USE THE SYSTEM OR THE CURRENT LACK OF RIDERSHIP WE SEE AND THE AMOUNT WE'RE INVESTING FOR THE FEW AMOUNT OF PEOPLE THAT ARE CURRENTLY USING THE SYSTEM.
I THINK WITH REGARD TO THE REPORT, THERE IS SOME HESITANCY ON THE BOARD TO ADAPT IT.
I DON'T THINK IT MATTERS IF IT'S ADOPTED OR NOT.
THE REPORT IS WHAT IT IS. IT'S DONE BY ERNST AND YOUNG, ONE OF THE MOST RESPECTED CONSULTING FIRMS IN THE COUNTRY. SO WHETHER THE BOARD ADOPTS IT OR NOT IS IMMATERIAL. AND, YOU KNOW, THE NUMBERS ARE WHAT THE NUMBERS ARE.
AND EVEN IF YOU TOOK $20 MILLION OFF THE SUBSIDY, WE'RE STILL PAYING 45 MILLION MORE A YEAR THAN WE'RE GETTING OUT OF IT, BASED ON THE REPORT. AND THAT'S WHAT THE $20 MILLION REDUCTION, IF THE REPORT IS ASKEWED IN ANY FASHION. SO I DON'T THINK IT MATTERS IF THE REPORT IS ADOPTED. I THINK THE NUMBERS SPEAK FOR THEMSELVES, AND I DON'T THINK IT'S A SUSTAINABLE PATH FOR THE CITY TO KEEP GOING DOWN THIS PATH THAT WE'VE BEEN GOING YEAR AFTER YEAR AFTER YEAR IS PROVIDING THIS SUBSIDY.
I THINK ONE OF THE BENEFITS OF ADOPTING THE REPORT, AND THE INTENTION ALWAYS WAS, IS THAT THIS WOULD BE REPLICATED ON A FREQUENT BASIS, PERHAPS NOT EVERY FISCAL YEAR, BUT POSSIBLY EVERY OTHER YEAR.
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EACH YEAR. AND SO I DON'T VIEW THIS AS A ONE AND DONE.IT CERTAINLY IS A, A SNAPSHOT IN TIME. I THINK IT NEEDS TO BE DONE ON A REGULAR BASIS.
SO ALL THE CITIES UNDERSTAND WHAT THE BENEFIT IS OF THEIR MEMBERSHIP.
I'M SURE IT'S A THANKLESS JOB. GETTING BACK TO WHAT? COUNCILWOMAN PRINCE WAS TALKING ABOUT THE E REPORT.
AS YOU ALLUDED TO, MR. BARBERO, THE E IS A HIGHLY REPUTABLE FIRM.
THEY HAVE REAMS OR SCORES OF STAFF TO DO QUALITY CONTROL OF THEIR ACCOUNTING PRACTICES.
SHE DID NOT SHE WOULD NOT VALIDATE THE NUMBER THAT E WAS PRESENTING AS WHAT? AS FAR AS VALUE TO US, WHAT WE WERE LOSING. IT WAS AROUND $66 MILLION.
DO YOU PER YEAR, DO YOU SEE SOMEONE WITHIN THEIR STAFF COMING UP WITH ANOTHER METHODOLOGY TO COME UP WITH A REVISED NUMBER TO COUNTER WHAT E CAME UP WITH? DO YOU SEE SOMETHING LIKE THAT? I MEAN, BECAUSE IT SEEMED TO ME AFTER SHE LEFT HERE, I WAS LEFT WITH THE IMPRESSION THAT THEY WERE GOING TO.
COME UP WITH SOME TYPE OF NEW ACCOUNTING TO COME UP WITH A VALUE ADDED TO THE CITY OF PLANO.
DO YOU DO YOU SEE ANY EVIDENCE OF THAT COMING FROM THEIR DIRECTION OR.
SO OKAY, LET'S CHANGE IT. LET'S DROP 20 MILLION OFF.
WE'RE STILL PAYING 45 OR 46 MILLION A YEAR INTO THE SYSTEM, MORE THAN WE'RE GETTING OUT OF IT.
SO EVEN IF THERE WAS ANOTHER WAY TO LOOK AT IT, I DON'T THINK IT'S GOING TO CHANGE IT ENOUGH TO WHERE FOR PLANO SINCE IT CHANGES THE PROBLEM. IT JUST MAY PUT A DIFFERENT NUMBER ON IT, BUT IT'S STILL GOING TO BE A SIGNIFICANT FINANCIAL PROBLEM.
RIGHT. WELL, THANKS. THAT WAS JUST A QUESTION I GOT BECAUSE IF SHE WAS QUESTIONING THE WAY EY WAS COMING UP WITH HER METHODOLOGY AS FAR AS COMING UP WITH THAT NUMBER, THEN I DON'T KNOW HOW ELSE YOU'RE GOING TO COME UP WITH IT. YOU CAN ONLY MASSAGE THE NUMBERS SO MUCH.
RIGHT. THANK YOU. COUNCILMEMBER RICCIARDELLI.
THANK YOU, MAYOR. WELL, FIRST OF ALL PAUL AND NATHAN, THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR THE HARD WORK YOU DO.
I KNOW IT'S PROBABLY HARDER THESE DAYS THAN MOST ROLES.
AND THANK YOU FOR YOU KNOW, FOR SERVING IN SUCH A THANKLESS CAPACITY.
SO THANK YOU. I APPRECIATE YOU KNOW, DESCRIBING THIS AS AN EXISTENTIAL ISSUE.
OR MAYBE NATHAN, MAYBE YOU BOTH SAID THAT, BUT OBVIOUSLY WE CANNOT SUSTAIN THAT BIG OF A WORD. THAT WAS DEFINITELY PAUL, SO. WELL, THERE YOU GO. THERE YOU GO. BUT I THINK YOU BOTH SAID IT IN AS MANY WORDS THAT WE CANNOT SUSTAIN THIS SUBSIDY.
AND I REALLY THANK YOU FOR REPRESENTING NOT JUST PLANO'S INTEREST, THOUGH.
THANK YOU FOR THAT. BUT REPRESENTING WHAT'S GOOD FOR REGIONAL TRANSIT, WHAT'S GOOD FOR CITIES PARTNERING TOGETHER THROUGH AN AGENCY LIKE DART AND ALL, YOU KNOW, HAVING A, YOU KNOW, A FAIR SEAT AT THE TABLE.
IT'S REALLY NOT AN EITHER OR. SO THANK YOU FOR THAT.
WITH THAT WHEN MISS LEE WAS HERE, I DID ASK HER ABOUT THE E REPORT.
AND AS YOU TALKED ABOUT NATHAN ERNST AND YOUNG IS, YOU KNOW, A BIG FOUR ACCOUNTING FIRM.
IT'S ONE OF THE MOST REPUTABLE CONSULTING FIRMS IN THE WORLD.
MISS LEE WOULD NOT COMMIT TO THE ERNST AND YOUNG REPORT.
SHE DID MENTION NOT HAVING HAD SUFFICIENT TIME TO REVIEW IT YET.
DOES DART LEADERSHIP ACCEPT THE EY REPORT AND IF NOT, HAVE ANY REASONS BEEN GIVEN FOR DOUBTING ITS CONCLUSIONS? YEAH, THEY DON'T ACCEPT IT. THEY VIEW IT AS A WORK PRODUCT THAT WAS REQUESTED BY THE 13 CITIES OR A SIGNIFICANT NUMBER OF THE 13 CITIES.
YOU KNOW, THE REALITY IS WE FINALLY OBTAINED THE SERVICES OF ERNST AND YOUNG BECAUSE PLAIN EXCUSE ME, DART PRODUCED A NUMBER OF REPORTS THAT DID NOT FIND MERIT WITH CERTAINLY THIS CITY.
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OTHER CITIES IN THE TEXAS LEGISLATURE. I BELIEVE THERE WAS ONE REPORT THAT ESSENTIALLY SAID WE GOT MORE IN SERVICE THAN WE PAID IN.WE WANT TO KNOW WHAT YOU PROVIDE US IN THE WAY OF SERVICE.
AND THIS EFFORT BY ERNST AND YOUNG WAS THERE THE RESULT OF THAT REQUEST? CERTAINLY YOU COULD DO OTHER MODELS AND YOU CAN PUT IN OTHER INPUTS AND YOU MIGHT GET A GET A DIFFERENT ANSWER.
WELL, AND THANK YOU FOR GETTING THAT NUMBER. I DO REMEMBER ONE REPORT WHERE IT WAS JUST BROKEN OUT BASED ON POPULATION OF MEMBERS CITIES, WHICH OF COURSE DOES NOT TELL HOW MUCH IS BEING SPENT IN EACH MEMBER CITY.
SO THANK YOU FOR YOUR PERSEVERANCE IN THAT REGARD.
HAVE YOU ALL NOTICED ANY DIFFERENCE IN HOW THE STAFF AT DART RELATES TO REPRESENTATIVES FROM THE CITY OF DALLAS VERSUS OTHER MEMBER CITIES? I WOULDN'T SAY THAT THERE'S A PREFERENCE TOWARD THE CITY OF DALLAS. I WOULD SAY THAT THEY WORK WITH ALL OF US.
I WOULD SAY THAT ON A TIME, ON OCCASION, IT SEEMS THAT WHATEVER THE DALLAS DECISION OR PREFERENCE IS, THAT TENDS TO BE THE SAME OPINION OF STAFF. BUT I WOULDN'T SAY THAT THEY THERE'S A PREFERENCE TOWARDS DALLAS OR THAT THEY WORK MORE CLOSELY WITH DALLAS.
I MIGHT ACTUALLY ARGUE THE OPPOSITE, BECAUSE I KNOW SOMETIMES WE HAVE TROUBLE GETTING MEETINGS WITH PEOPLE FROM THE CITY OF DALLAS ON TRANSPORTATION ISSUES, BUT THAT'S A WHOLE NOTHER STORY, A WHOLE NOTHER WORK. BUT NO, I DON'T FEEL THAT WAY. BUT I DO FEEL THAT AT TIMES AND IT'S BEEN DISCUSSED THAT THERE'S, YOU KNOW, YOU RARELY SEE IN A BOARD VOTE WHERE THE DALLAS MAJORITY CONTROLS THE VOTE BY ONE VOTE.
IT'S THE CONTROL OF THE DISCUSSION IN OUR COMMITTEE MEETINGS, AND IT'S IN OUR WORK SESSIONS THAT, IN MY OPINION, COULD BE A LITTLE PROBLEMATIC. OKAY.
THANK YOU FOR THAT ANSWER. AND THEN FINALLY, JUST TO TALK ABOUT EXPENDITURES VERSUS VALUE, BECAUSE THAT WAS A POINT MISS LEE HIGHLIGHTED WHEN SHE CAME HERE.
YOU KNOW, DRIVING EAST AND WEST ON, ON SPRING CREEK PARKWAY, TO GIVE ONE EXAMPLE.
DOES DART HAVE A SOLUTION FOR FIXED ROUTE BUS SERVICE THAT IS IN A IN A LOW RIDERSHIP POSITION? YEAH. THE AGENCY IS COMMITTED TO INCREASE HEADWAYS ON BUSSES IN AREAS WHERE IT MAKES SENSE.
THAT'S NOT OUR CITY. WE DON'T HAVE THE DENSITY OR THE RIDERSHIP TO REALLY JUSTIFY THAT.
SO WHAT WE'RE ASKING FOR IS REALLY ELIMINATE THE LOCAL BUS ROUTES.
I GUESS THERE ARE SOME REGIONAL OR MULTI-CITY ROUTES THAT EITHER EMANATE OR TERMINATE HERE IN PLANO THAT MIGHT STILL NEED TO BE UTILIZED OR OPERATED. WE'RE ASKING THAT WE HAVE MORE MICRO TRANSIT AND ON DEMAND SERVICE.
YES. AS NATHAN MENTIONED, YOU KNOW, IN FACT, MAKE THE CITY AN ENTIRE ZONE.
YES. PUSH BACK. CITYWIDE, GO LINK AND CIRCULATOR ROUTES AND THINGS OF THAT.
CORRECT. THE PUSHBACK WE GET IS IT'S EXPENSIVE, AND IT MAY WELL BE EXPENSIVE, BUT IT'S CERTAINLY LESS EXPENSIVE THAN OPERATING EMPTY BUSSES. I THINK THE PRIOR BUDGET YEAR, WE HAD A BUDGET FOR GO LINK OF $19 MILLION.
WE SPENT HUNDREDS OF MILLIONS OF DOLLARS ON BUSSES ALL OVER THE CITY.
THAT MOVES VERY FEW PEOPLE. SO BUT YOU HAVE BOARD MEMBERS THAT DO NOT WANT TO SEE ADDITIONAL GO LINK SERVICE BECAUSE THEY VIEW IT AS A CADILLAC SERVICE AND, YOU KNOW, THEY DON'T GET IT. AND SO THE REALITY IS THE AGENCY NEEDS TO CHANGE WHAT IT'S DOING.
AND IT'S NOT JUST FOR PLANO, IT'S REALLY FOR ALL 13 CITIES.
THANK YOU. AND MY LAST QUESTION REGARDING UNDERUTILIZED BUSSES.
DOES DART EVER UNDERTAKE ENVIRONMENTAL ANALYSIS OF THE IMPACT OF LARGE, UNDERUTILIZED BUSSES VERSUS MICRO TRANSIT, AND WHETHER IT MIGHT BE MORE ENVIRONMENTALLY FRIENDLY NOT TO BE, YOU KNOW, HAVING, YOU KNOW,
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HUGE FUEL CONSUMING BUSSES YOU KNOW, WHERE UTILIZATION IS LOW? AH TO BE HONEST WITH YOU, I DON'T KNOW THE ANSWER TO THAT QUESTION.I APPRECIATE Y'ALL DOING BOTH OF THOSE THINGS.
THANK YOU. YES. THANK YOU, MAYOR. BECAUSE MR. WAGEMAN SAID HE DIDN'T WANT TO SPEAK FOR ME. I'LL GO AHEAD AND SPEAK FOR MYSELF, BUT THAT'S CORRECT. GOING BACK TO 2019 WE'VE SOUGHT SIMPLE FISCAL TRANSPARENCY FROM DART, AND WE HAVE GONE THROUGH TWO LEGISLATIVE SESSIONS NOW BECAUSE WE'VE COME UP EMPTY EVERY TIME.
BUT JUST TO BE CLEAR AND SO I CAN NOT PUT PAUL IN THE POSITION OF SPEAKING FOR ME.
YES. THIS THIS IS COMING UP IN THE LEGISLATURE AGAIN, BECAUSE WE'VE MADE NO PROGRESS WITH ALL OF OUR ATTEMPTS TO WORK WITH DART FOR FISCAL TRANSPARENCY AND JUST A MODEL THAT MAKES SENSE FOR THE PLANO CITIZENS, WHO ARE PUTTING IN ABOUT AS MUCH INTO THE DART SYSTEM VIS A VIS THEIR SALES TAX AS THEY'RE PAYING IN PROPERTY TAX. SO. OKAY. I THINK WE HAVE SOME SPEAKERS.
ALL RIGHT. GO AHEAD. IF I COULD JUST ONE LAST POINT.
IT'S IMPORTANT. REGIONAL TRANSPORTATION IS INCREASINGLY IMPORTANT IN NORTH TEXAS.
IT'S IMPORTANT FOR PLANO TO BE INVOLVED IN THAT.
BUT THE SYSTEM THAT WE ARE CURRENTLY IN IS JUST NOT FINANCIALLY FEASIBLE.
AND FOR THE MONEY THAT WE'RE SPENDING WITH THIS, I FEEL LIKE WE COULD COME UP WITH OUR OWN SYSTEM OR PERHAPS PARTNER WITH SOME OF OUR NEIGHBORS IN COLLIN COUNTY TO HAVE A SYSTEM LIKE DENTON COUNTY HAS THAT MAKES MUCH MORE FINANCIAL SENSE AND OPERATES BETTER FOR THE CITIZENS.
THANKS, GENTLEMEN. APPRECIATE IT. THANK YOU, THANK YOU.
ALL RIGHT. WE DO HAVE NINE SPEAKERS. HOW MUCH TIME, MR. MAYOR? A MINUTE. EACH MINUTE. EACH. GOT IT. THE FIRST SPEAKER IS WILLIAM CRAVENS. YES.
MR. CRAVEN, DID YOU SIGN UP FOR THE WRONG? THAT'S OKAY.
THAT'S OKAY. WHEN I SAW YOUR NAME, I THOUGHT, BOY, YOU ARE INVOLVED IN EVERYTHING.
OKAY. THEN THE NEXT SPEAKER IS DANIEL RODRIGUEZ.
THANK YOU, PLANO. MY NAME IS DANIEL RODRIGUEZ.
I FEEL LIKE I HEARD THAT I'VE BEEN HEARING THAT THE GOLINK IF WE CHANGE THE GOLINK SERVICES TO LIKE ALL OF PLANO, I FELT LIKE IT WOULD, IT WOULD RESULT BUT AT THE SAME TIME I FEEL LIKE IT WOULDN'T BE INSUFFICIENT.
WE SHOULD KEEP THE FIXED BUS ROUTES THAT WE HAVE, USUALLY THAT WE HAVE AND KEEP THE AS IT IS.
THANK YOU. THANK YOU. THE NEXT SPEAKER IS SHYAM GANESHRAM.
HELLO. CAN YOU ALL HEAR ME? HOLD ON JUST ONE MOMENT.
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HELLO. HI. WE'LL NEED YOU TO TURN ON YOUR CAMERA.RAIL AND BUSSES ARE ON A FIXED SCHEDULE AND ARE MORE DEPENDABLE ON LIKE GOLINK, SO I BELIEVE THAT FOCUSING ON IMPROVING BUS AND RAIL SERVICE IS MORE IMPORTANT THAN TRYING TO IMPROVE GOLINK SERVICE IN PLANO. THANK YOU.
THANK YOU. THE NEXT SPEAKER IS TYLER WRIGHT.
NOT HERE. SHE'S NOT HERE. OKAY, WE'LL MOVE ON TO NATHANIEL ADAM.
OH, HE'S ON ZOOM. GO AHEAD. HELLO PLANO CITY COUNCIL.
MY NAME IS NATHANIEL ADAM AND I'M A RESIDENT OF PLANO AT 7128 LIBBY ROAD.
AS A REGULAR USER OF THE BUS ROUTES THAT WE HAVE IN PLANO, LIKE THE ONES THAT ARE ONLY IN PLANO, I THINK THAT THE PROPOSAL TO CHANGE IT TO A CITY WIDE GOLINK ZONE WILL BE BOTH SIGNIFICANTLY MORE EXPENSIVE AND ALSO SIGNIFICANTLY WORSE SERVICE, BECAUSE IT DOES, THAT'S A MISUNDERSTANDING OF HOW TRANSIT WORKS.
I ALSO THINK THAT YOU SHOULD NOT BE AS CONCERNED AS YOU ARE ABOUT THE FUNDING INEQUALITY PORTRAYED BY THE STUDY, BECAUSE I THINK THAT SINCE DALLAS IS SUCH A POWERHOUSE OF THIS REGION, I THINK IT DOES MAKE SENSE TO INVEST IN THEIR TRANSIT.
TWENTY SECONDS. TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY CAN STILL FUNCTION WELL AS A CITY.
THANK YOU. THANK YOU. AND MR. WRIGHT IS ON ZOOM.
SO, MR. WRIGHT, IF YOU'LL TURN ON YOUR CAMERA AND MICROPHONE.
OKAY. OF COURSE. GO AHEAD. THANK YOU FOR THE FLEXIBILITY.
GOOD EVENING, MAYOR AND COUNCIL. I APOLOGIZE, I COULDN'T MAKE IT IN PERSON AFTER ALL.
I THINK THE BIGGEST CONCERN WITH US IS GOLINK SERVICES AND OTHER KIND OF UBER LIKE MICRO TRANSIT.
DOES HAVE SERIOUS ISSUES ONCE THEY START TO SCALE WHEN IT COMES TO RELIABLY SERVICING PEOPLE.
TIMELY AS WELL AS THE MONEY AND SUBSIDY FOR PASSENGER.
SO IF SOMEBODY GOES FROM ONE END OF PLANO TO THE OTHER BECAUSE YOU ELIMINATED THE BUS ROUTE, THAT'S GOING TO BE MORE EXPENSIVE THAN JUST HAVING THE FIXED ROUTE SERVICE. I'VE RIDDEN DCTA GOZONE AS WELL AS OTHER SERVICES, OF COURSE. THE WAIT TIMES ARE VARIABLE, I STRONGLY RECOMMEND TRY IT YOURSELF.
GO TAKE GOZONE AND THEN REALIZE WHAT YOU'RE GOING TO SADDLE YOUR PEOPLE WITH.
I DO BELIEVE PLANO DESERVES MORE. I JUST ASK THAT WE'VE GOT TO CONSIDER THE CONTEXT OF THE REGION, AS WELL AS A COMMUTER TO PLANO. IF YOU CUT BUS SERVICE, I'M GOING TO FIND A NEW JOB.
THANK YOU. THANK YOU. THE NEXT SPEAKER IS DARIEL SOLIS.
HELLO. MY NAME IS AURORA HERRERA, AND I'M FROM DALLAS.
BUT I GO TO UTD, WHICH IS NEAR PLANO. I THINK WE SHOULD KEEP OUR FIXED BUS ROUTES SO THAT PEOPLE FROM UTD CAN COMMUTE TO SCHOOL IN A PREDICTABLE WAY WITHOUT HAVING TO WORRY ABOUT SOME OFTEN LONG WAIT TIMES, WHICH I OFTEN HEAR FROM MANY PEOPLE.
I THINK THE BUSSES OFFER A MORE PREDICTABLE SCHEDULE AND THE TRAINS TO THEN GOLINK AND ALSO THE [INAUDIBLE] AND RUNNING THE BUSSES IS CHEAPER THAN AND THEN GOLINK, AS MANY STUDIES HAVE SHOWN.
AND THANK YOU. THANK YOU. COREY RINIKER.
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GOOD EVENING, MAYOR AND COUNCIL. MY NAME IS COREY RINIKER.I MOVED TO DOWNTOWN PLANO 15 YEARS AGO AFTER FINISHING COLLEGE IN OHIO.
ARRIVING IN TEXAS, I WAS AMAZED TO FIND IN CAR CENTRIC DALLAS, OF ALL PLACES, A BUILT OUT RAIL LIGHT RAIL NETWORK COMPLETE WITH WALKABLE URBAN STATION AREAS. I FOUND EMPLOYMENT ACCESSIBLE BY RAIL.
I WORRY THAT CLAWING BACK FUNDS WILL IMPERIL THE SUBSTANTIAL IMPROVEMENTS THAT HAVE BEEN MADE TO SECURITY AND CLEANLINESS ON DART, AND I WORRY ABOUT THE PRECEDENT THAT THIS SETS FOR THE RELATIONSHIP BETWEEN DART AND ITS MEMBER CITIES.
I HAVE NOT HEARD ANY CLEAR, CONSISTENT VISION FOR THE GOALS OBJECTIVES FROM OUR LEADERS.
WITH PLANO AS A MATURE CITY AND THE POPULATION OF COLLIN COUNTY UNDERGOING TREMENDOUS GROWTH, THOUGHTFULLY IMPLEMENTED REGIONAL TRANSIT IS AS IMPORTANT AS EVER.
THANK YOU. THANK YOU. AND OUR LAST SPEAKER IS DAVID YACOUBIAN BIAN. HE WAS SUPPOSED TO BE ON ZOOM AND IS NOT.
AND SO THAT WILL FINISH IT OUT. OKAY. THANK YOU.
THIS PRESENTATION WAS FOR INFORMATION ONLY. AND SO WE'RE JUST HERE TO HEAR FROM OUR BOARD MEMBERS.
THE NEXT ITEM IS OH. I'M SORRY, MARK. GO AHEAD.
SORRY, MAYOR. JUST WANTED TO ADD A FEW QUICK ELEMENTS IN.
YOU KNOW, I SEE A LOT OF THE EMAIL COMING ACROSS TO THE CITY COUNCIL, AND I WOULD STRONGLY ENCOURAGE FOLKS TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY ARE GOING IN AND LOOKING AT THE RESOURCES THAT ARE AVAILABLE TO THE COMMUNITY.
SPECIFICALLY DART SYSTEM MAPS. AND REALLY LOOKING AT WHEN WE TALK ABOUT FIXED ROUTE SERVICE AND WE'RE TALKING ABOUT SOME OF THOSE ELEMENTS THAT THAT PEOPLE ARE SPEAKING PASSIONATELY ABOUT MAKE SURE YOU GO LOOK AND LOOK AT HOW MANY ROUTES ARE REALLY IN PLANO, AND THEN LOOK AT SOME OTHER CITIES.
A FEW QUICK STATISTICS. AND THESE ARE FROM DART'S REPORTS FROM FISCAL YEAR 2022.
THE CITY OF GARLAND HAD 718 BUS STOPS AND TWO LIGHT RAIL STOPS FOR $38 MILLION.
RICHARDSON HAS 355 BUS STOPS FOR LIGHT RAIL SERVICE STOPS FOR $52 MILLION.
IRVING HAS 457 BUS STOPS, SEVEN LIGHT RAIL STOPS FOR 94 MILLION.
PLANO HAS 289 BUS STOPS, TWO LIGHT RAIL SERVICES FOR $104 MILLION.
PART OF THE FIDUCIARY DUTY THAT THE COUNCIL AND THE STAFF FACE HERE IS MAKING SURE THAT FOR THE MONEY THAT WE'RE GETTING AS A PARTNER THAT PLANO HAS THE SAME LEVEL OF QUALITY OF SERVICE AND THE SAME EQUITY AS OTHER CITIES.
WE ARE AN EARLY USER OF GO LINK. IT'S ACTUALLY BEEN ABSORBED FAIRLY WELL IN PLANO, WHICH IS ONE OF THE REASONS WHY THE SUGGESTION OF LOOKING AT GOLINK FOR CITYWIDE SERVICE SO THAT PEOPLE, REGARDLESS OF WHERE THEY ARE IN PLANO, CAN GET TO THE HOSPITAL, CAN GET TO THE GROCERY STORE, CAN GET TO THEIR FAMILY, OR CAN GET FROM WEST PLANO OVER TO THE RAIL LINES IN IN EAST PLANO.
SO I WOULD ASK THAT FOLKS THAT ARE LOOKING FOR MORE INFORMATION ON THIS, PLEASE STUDY THE SERVICE MAPS AND STUDY SOME OF THE DATA, BECAUSE I THINK IT'S REALLY IMPORTANT THAT AS WE'RE TALKING ABOUT SERVICES IN PLANO AND WE ARE TALKING ABOUT PEOPLE IN PLANO WHO NEED SERVICE, THAT WE ARE TALKING ABOUT EQUITY, WE ARE TALKING ABOUT FAIRNESS, AND WE ARE TALKING ABOUT PLANO GETTING THE VALUE THAT WE'VE REQUESTED.
SO WITH THAT MAYOR, TURN IT BACK OVER. ALL RIGHT.
THANK YOU. MARK. NEXT ITEM IS SILVER LINE STATIONS AREA PLAN.
GOOD EVENING COUNCIL, I'M DREW BRAUNER, COMPREHENSIVE PLANNING MANAGER WITH THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT. AND I'LL BE PRESENTING AN OVERVIEW OF THE SILVER LINE STATIONS AREA PLAN, WHICH WILL BE PRESENTED FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION ON THE REGULAR AGENDA.
THIS IS A TRANSIT ORIENTED SMALL AREA PLAN, WHICH WILL ESTABLISH THE LONG TERM VISION FOR THE AREAS AROUND PLANO'S TWO FUTURE SILVER LINE STATIONS AT 12TH STREET AND SHILOH ROAD, AND TOPICS I WILL COVER INCLUDE THE PROJECT TIMELINE.
OVERVIEW. THIS DOCUMENT IS THE CULMINATION OF MANY YEARS OF PLANNING EFFORT, INCLUDING TWO PRIOR ANALYSIS REPORTS, THE PUBLIC INPUT AND OUTREACH PROCESS. ROBUST PUBLIC INPUT WAS CRITICAL TO DEVELOPING THE PLAN'S GOALS AND VISION.
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DEVELOPMENT DECISIONS AND PROJECT IMPLEMENTATION.THIS IS A VISUAL TIMELINE OF OUR PLANNING EFFORTS.
THEN AN EXISTING CONDITIONS REPORT. THIS LOOKED AT THE PLANNING HISTORY IN THESE AREAS, TOD BEST PRACTICES, BUILT ENVIRONMENT INVENTORY AND A ZONING ANALYSIS.
THE PLANNING PROCESS BEGAN IN SPRING 2023, STARTING WITH STATION AREA GOAL DEVELOPMENT.
ADDITIONALLY, BROAD COMMUNITY INPUT WAS SOUGHT VIA IN-PERSON AND ONLINE OUTREACH.
THIS SLIDE PROVIDES AN OVERVIEW OF THE PUBLIC ENGAGEMENT PROCESS.
PUBLIC INPUT EVENTS ARE COLOR CODED BY TYPE OF ENGAGEMENT.
THE PLAN STARTED WITH A SERIES OF ADVISORY GROUP EVENTS IN GREEN.
THIS INCLUDED A VIRTUAL VISIONING WORKSHOP TO DISCUSS PLAN, GOALS AND OPPORTUNITIES, AND A THREE DAY DESIGN CHARRETTE TO DEVELOP THE INITIAL PLAN VISIONS. OPPORTUNITIES FOR BROADER COMMUNITY INPUT FOLLOWED, FIRST WITH A PUBLIC OPEN HOUSE NUMBER ONE AT THE CONCLUSION OF THAT THREE DAY DESIGN CHARRETTE. A COMMUNITY SURVEY WHICH RECEIVED OVER 250 RESPONSES.
AND A VIRTUAL OPEN HOUSE TO ENGAGE WITH PEOPLE ONLINE.
RECOMMENDATIONS WERE REFINED THROUGH ANOTHER ROUND OF IN-PERSON EVENTS, WITH THE ADVISORY GROUP AND A PUBLIC OPEN HOUSE NUMBER TWO, AND THE DRAFT PLAN WAS PRESENTED TO PNC AS A SERIES OF DISCUSSION ITEMS, CONCLUDING WITH THE APPROVAL HEARING IN JANUARY OF THIS YEAR.
A PUBLIC ENGAGEMENT SUMMARY REPORT IS INCLUDED AS A PLAN APPENDIX.
THIS INCLUDES EVENT DETAILS, ONLINE OUTREACH METHODS WHICH INCLUDED A PROJECT WEBSITE AND SOCIAL MEDIA POSTS, AND KEY TAKEAWAYS FROM THE INPUT. NEXT, THIS IS AN OVERVIEW OF THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN POLICIES THAT GUIDE STATION AREA PLANNING.
TOD ACTION TWO PROVIDES DIRECTION TO PREPARE PLANS WITHIN HALF A MILE OF STATIONS, WITH CONSIDERATION OF MARKET POTENTIAL AND TOD ACTION THREE ENCOURAGES THE ENCOURAGES THE CITY TO PROACTIVELY WORK WITH PROPERTY OWNERS TO ALIGN ZONING WITH ADOPTED AREA PLANS, AND THIS IS IDENTIFIED AS A NEAR-TERM IMPLEMENTATION STEP IN THE PLAN.
UPON APPROVAL, THE STATION AREAS PLAN WILL BE USED WHEN REVIEWING FUTURE ZONING REQUESTS BASED ON THE GREATER SPECIFICITY OF THE LAND USE, VISION, AND DEVELOPMENT TYPE RECOMMENDATIONS.
IN SUMMARY, THE PLAN IS INTENDED TO BE USED FOR ZONING CHANGE AND DEVELOPMENT REQUEST EVALUATIONS TO CONSIDER NECESSARY FUTURE SERVICES, PROGRAMS AND STUDIES FOR THESE AREAS, AND GUIDANCE FOR ANALYZING AND IMPLEMENTING INFRASTRUCTURE PROJECTS.
THE MAIN COMPONENTS OF THE PLAN INCLUDE PLAN GOALS GROUPED INTO THREE THEMES LAND USE, TRANSPORTATION, AND OPEN SPACE AND CHARACTER. THESE SET THE OVERARCHING DIRECTION FOR THE FUTURE OF THE STATION AREAS.
THESE GOALS ARE REPRESENTED THROUGH VISION MAPS. FOR EACH OF THESE THEMES, THE LAND USE VISION MAPS IDENTIFY THE LOCATIONS OF DEVELOPMENT TYPES, EACH WITH A RECOMMENDED SET OF CHARACTER DEFINING ELEMENTS SUCH AS BUILDING HEIGHTS.
BLOCK PATTERN AND PARKING ORIENTATION. TRANSPORTATION AND OPEN SPACE.
VISION MAPS IDENTIFY IMPROVEMENTS AND PROJECT OPPORTUNITIES TO SUPPORT THE LAND USE.
LAND USE VISIONS. A RECOMMENDATIONS AND STRATEGIES CHAPTER IS INCLUDED THAT PROVIDES DETAIL ON PLAN PRIORITIES AND HOW TO IMPLEMENT THE IDENTIFIED PLAN VISION ELEMENTS. AND FINALLY, AN IMPLEMENTATION ACTIONS CHAPTER PROVIDES AN ACTIONABLE CHECKLIST TO TRACK PLAN PROGRESS.
NEXT, I'LL WALK THROUGH EXAMPLES OF THE LAND USE AND DEVELOPMENT GUIDANCE PROVIDED BY THE STATION AREAS PLAN. THIS SLIDE SHOWS THE FUTURE LAND USE MAP IN RELATION TO THE RAIL STATIONS. THIS MAP GIVES GUIDANCE FOR APPROPRIATE USES AND DEVELOPMENT CHARACTERISTICS ACROSS LARGE AREAS OF THE CITY.
IN COMPARISON, THIS IS THE LAND USE VISION MAP FOR THE 12TH STREET STATION AREA.
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THE APPROPRIATE LOCATIONS OF USES AND BUILDING FORM.THE FUTURE LAND USE MAP ON THE LEFT GIVES BROAD GUIDANCE THAT BUILDINGS IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD'S CATEGORY SHOULD BE 1 TO 2 STORIES AND THE DOWNTOWN QUARTERS CATEGORY UP TO FIVE STORIES. WHEREAS THE PROPOSED LAND USE VISION MAP FOR 12TH STREET PROVIDES MORE SPECIFIC GUIDANCE FOR APPROPRIATE MAXIMUM HEIGHTS.
THIS SLIDE SHOWS THE RESULTING MIX OF USES GUIDANCE COMPARED TO THE CURRENT FUTURE LAND USE MAP.
THE 12TH STREET STATION LAND USE VISION PROVIDES MORE TARGETED DIRECTION FOR WHERE MIXED USE DEVELOPMENT WOULD BE APPROPRIATE, RESULTING IN 39% OF THE STATION AREA RECOMMENDED FOR MIXED USE DEVELOPMENT.
NEXT, THE SHILOH ROAD STATION AREA LAND USE VISION MAP.
THE RECOMMENDED MIX OF USES AND HEIGHTS IS LARGELY UNCHANGED.
NEAREST THE STATION AND THE RESULT OF THIS ADDITION IS 5% OF THE STATION AREAS WOULD SUPPORT MIXED USE DEVELOPMENT, WITH THE AREA SOUTH OF 14TH REMAINING PRIMARILY NONRESIDENTIAL AND PRIMARILY RESIDENTIAL TO THE NORTH.
FOR 12TH STREET STATION. THIS INCLUDES A THREE STORY HEIGHT MAXIMUM. ADJACENT TO THE DOUGLAS COMMUNITY AND THE ADDITION OF THE EVOLVING INDUSTRY DEVELOPMENT TYPE, WHICH SERVES AS A LAND USE INTENSITY TRANSITION, AND THESE TRANSITION AREAS ARE IDENTIFIED HERE ON THE MAP WITH THE THREE STORY HEIGHT TRANSITION AREA FOR THE DOUGLAS COMMUNITY, WITH THE HATCH BLUE AREA, AND THEN THE EVOLVING INDUSTRY IN THE RED AREA, WHICH PROVIDES A USE TRANSITION BETWEEN RESIDENTIAL AREAS NEAREST THE STATION AND THE HEAVIER USES IN THE LIGHT INDUSTRIAL DISTRICT.
SIMILARLY, FOR THE SHILOH ROAD AREA, A RESIDENTIAL HEIGHT TRANSITION IS RECOMMENDED TO PRESERVE EXISTING SINGLE FAMILY NEIGHBORHOOD CHARACTER WITH A TWO STORY HEIGHT MAXIMUM NEAR EXISTING SINGLE FAMILY AND UP TO FOUR STORIES CLOSER TO THE STATION.
AND THEN FINALLY, THE PLAN INCLUDES A DENSITY BONUS RECOMMENDATION FOR THE 12TH STREET STATION AREA.
THIS BONUS WOULD PROVIDE AN OPPORTUNITY FOR UP TO THREE ADDITIONAL STORIES IF DEVELOPMENT PROVIDES COMMUNITY BENEFITS, AND EXAMPLES IDENTIFIED IN THE PLAN INCLUDE INCLUDING PUBLIC OPEN SPACE, PUBLIC PARKING, OR A PERCENTAGE OF AFFORDABLE HOUSING.
AND IN THE CASE OF DEVELOPMENT, DOES NOT QUALIFY FOR THE BONUS, THEN THE FIVE STORY MAXIMUM WOULD APPLY. DEVELOPMENT OF A ZONING TOOL TO IMPLEMENT THIS BONUS IS RECOMMENDED AS A NEAR-TERM ACTION. AND THE TRANSIT CENTER MIXED USE DEVELOPMENT TYPE IN BLUE IN THE 12TH STREET AREA IS THE ONLY AREA WHERE THE BONUS WOULD BE SUPPORTED. AND THIS CONCLUDES THE PLAN OVERVIEW AND I'M AVAILABLE FOR ANY QUESTIONS.
APPRECIATE IT. ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? TERRIFIC.
THANKS FOR YOUR WORK ON THIS. THIS IS REALLY WELL DONE.
MOVING ON TO CONSENT AND REGULAR AGENDAS. ANY ITEM COUNCIL MEMBER WOULD LIKE TO REMOVE.
I THINK THERE IS ONE REQUESTED TO REMOVE. WHICH ONE CAME? A CITIZEN REQUESTED K AND MR. WILLIAMS, DID YOU REQUEST D? LET ME MAKE SURE. YES, OKAY K AND B. D LIKE. OKAY.
LIKE I SAID, WHEN WE FINISHED, I THINK I THINK DEPUTY MAYOR PRO TEM MAYOR PRO TEM AND I ARE SATISFIED WITH THE NUMBER, BUT WE'D CERTAINLY BE GLAD TO COMPROMISE ON THAT NUMBER.
I KNOW COUNCIL MEMBER SMITH HAD SOME ITEMS THAT WOULD, WOULD, WOULD DEFINITELY I THINK WOULD WORK AS FAR AS I THINK YOU, YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT DOWNTOWN, THE PERIMETER WALLS, SIDEWALKS AND WHAT ELSE RICK? SORRY.
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ANYTHING ELSE? WELL, YEAH, THE ONLY. HERE, LET ME TURN YOU ON.I'M SORRY. THERE YOU GO. THE MAIN THREE ITEMS THAT THAT I WAS LET ME START, I GUESS GENERALLY BY SAYING I THINK MOST OF US, A LOT OF US, I HEARD WERE KIND OF HITTING AROUND THAT 600 MILLION NUMBER.
AND I THINK AFTER A NICE DISCUSSION, I THINK MARK AND EVERYBODY LOOKED AT IT, WE'LL PROBABLY BE ABLE TO GET SOMEWHERE CLOSE, CLOSE TO THAT NUMBER THAN THE 700 MILLION NUMBER.
I DID FIND IT INTERESTING. I THINK, YOU KNOW, COUNCIL MEMBER RICCIARDELLI.
I LOVE THE WAY HE HAS SUCH AN ANALYTICAL MIND AND COUNCIL MEMBER WILLIAMS ALSO WHEN IT COMES TO, YOU KNOW, THE MATHEMATICAL ANALYSIS. BUT I FOUND IT INTERESTING THAT THAT IF YOU BREAK IT OUT TO THE 20 YEAR FIGURE, THAT ON OUR FOR OUR RESIDENTIAL TAXPAYERS IS ABOUT SEVEN, ABOUT $7,000 OVER THAT TIME FRAME.
SO ESSENTIALLY WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT, IF YOU REALLY WANT TO BREAK IT DOWN INTO SOMETHING THAT'S UNDERSTANDABLE, YOU'RE BASICALLY TALKING ABOUT A NETFLIX PREMIUM SUBSCRIPTION THAT YOU'RE PAYING FOR, YOU KNOW, EVERY MONTH.
SO I FOUND THAT, YOU KNOW, THAT VERY HELPFUL.
BUT I WOULD SAY, AGAIN, PUBLIC SAFETY, I'M GOOD WITH EVERYTHING THAT'S IN PUBLIC SAFETY, THE, THE STREETS, EVERYTHING, EXCEPT FOR THE, THE THREE ITEMS THAT THEY MENTIONED THERE.
I WOULD SUGGEST BLENDING THOSE INTO ONE ITEM AND STILL PROVIDING THOSE.
AND THEN EVERYTHING ELSE COULD BE COVERED ON A PAY AS YOU GO BASIS, EITHER CAPITAL MAINTENANCE TIF FUNDS OR, YOU KNOW YOU KNOW, GENERAL FUNDS. SO SOMEWHERE ALONG THAT LINE, IT GETS DOWN TO IT.
OKAY. I, I THINK I'VE GOT IT. WOULD IT BE BETTER IF WE JUST LOOKED AT AND VOTED ON STREET IMPROVEMENTS AS PROPOSITION A AND WHETHER OR NOT EVERYBODY IS SATISFIED WITH THAT? WOULD THAT WORK BETTER? ANTHONY, I KNOW, I KNOW WHERE YOU STAND, BUT WE WE'VE GOT TO WE'VE GOT TO LET SOMEHOW WE HAVE WE HAVE TO GET A MAJORITY OF THE PEOPLE TO, TO AGREE ON ALL OF THESE ITEMS. AND WE AND WE CAN CERTAINLY CONSOLIDATE THOSE THAT THAT WE FEEL LIKE NEED.
NEED TO BE MR. MAYOR, IF I COULD JUST INTERJECT, I THINK ON THE STREETS IF I'M NOT MISTAKEN.
IN PROPOSITION A IS WHERE THE DOWNTOWN RIGHT OF WAY WAS THAT.
I THINK I'VE HEARD A MAJORITY OF COUNCIL. TALK ABOUT. AND ALSO THE SCREENING WALLS THAT COUNCIL MEMBER SMITH WAS, WAS TALKING ABOUT THAT, I THINK SO SEVERAL COUNCIL MEMBERS. WOULD EVERYBODY BE OKAY IF WE TOOK DOWNTOWN SCREENING WALLS? SIDEWALKS AND MISCELLANEOUS IS MISCELLANEOUS IN.
YEAH, I THINK THAT'S IN STREETS. IF WE TOOK THOSE OUT OF STREET IMPROVEMENTS.
DEFINITELY. OKAY. IS THAT OKAY? YES. THANK YOU.
GOSH THIS IS GREAT OKAY. PROPOSITION B, PUBLIC SAFETY FACILITIES.
LET ME SEE WHERE WAS I? WE I THINK WE HAVE. IS EVERYBODY OKAY WITH PUBLIC SAFETY FACILITIES? YES. OKAY.
INCLUDING THE TRAINING FACILITY. YES I THINK I THINK THERE'S VOTES FOR THE TRAINING AGAIN.
EXCUSE ME. GO AHEAD. HOLD ON. LET ME GET YOU.
LET ME GET YOU UP. AGAIN. I'M ALL FOR THE NEW TRAINING FACILITY.
DON'T GET ME WRONG WITH THAT. BUT I THINK ONCE WE HAVE THE NEW HEADQUARTERS BUILT, WE'LL HAVE A SURPLUS BUILDING IN DOWNTOWN THAT'LL BE WORTH A SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF MONEY. CORRECT. AND I'M THINKING, BECAUSE OF THE TIMING OF WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT HERE, THAT WITH THE TRANSITION AND I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE ECONOMICS ARE GOING TO LOOK LIKE IN FOUR YEARS.
I MEAN, IF I HAD THAT CRYSTAL BALL, I'D BE WOULDN'T BE IN PLANO.
AND THAT'S WHAT I WAS TRYING TO AGAIN PUSH THAT FORWARD.
YEAH. TO THE OR LOOK AT ANOTHER AVENUE ON HOW TO PAY FOR THAT.
WELL AND THAT WAS THE ONLY REASON I WAS HOPING TO DO THAT.
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IT IT WE'D BE THRILLED IF IT GOT BUILT BY THE END OF THIS BOND ISSUE.IT'S GOING TO BE A PUT THAT ONE AS A SEPARATE LINE ITEM IF WE'RE GOING TO HAVE THAT.
YEAH, I, I WOULD SUPPORT ANYTHING OVER 50 MILLION BEING A SEPARATE LINE ITEM.
WELL I THINK THAT'S YOU'RE GOING TO YOU YOU'RE REALLY TRYING TO EDUCATE THE VOTER.
BUT THAT IS REALLY GOING TO CONFUSE YOU. PUT THAT'S GOING TO BE 15 LINE ITEMS. AND I THINK I GUESS. YEAH. SORRY. I MEAN, I'M OKAY IF YOU WANT TO SEPARATE THAT, BUT I'M SAYING THE LESS PROPOSITIONS WE HAVE AND AGAIN, I'M NOT TRYING TO CONSOLIDATE. I'M JUST SAYING THE LESS WE HAVE, I THINK THE VOTERS ARE GOING TO UNDERSTAND WHAT THEY'RE VOTING FOR.
SO HERE'S MY THING. I JUST FEEL LIKE THE MORE ALL OF US ARE ON THE SAME PAGE AND SUPPORTIVE OF ALL OF THIS AND THAT, WE CAN GET BEHIND THAT. WE ALL FEEL LIKE THE THINGS ON THIS WE FEEL STRONGLY ABOUT GOING TO.
THE MORE THAT THERE'S GOING TO BE SUPPORT FOR THE COMMUNITY TO GO OUT AND GET BEHIND THESE.
SO I FEEL LIKE IF YOU KNOW, THE THOUGHT THAT WE'RE GOING TO REDUCE THIS SOME AND COME WITH A MORE REASONABLE NUMBER, I THINK IS A PLUS, BUT I STILL DO. I WOULD RATHER US GET SOME OF THESE PASSED THEN TO COME AND SAY, OH, PEOPLE THOUGHT PUBLIC SAFETY FACILITIES WAS WAY TOO HIGH AT 243 MILLION, SO IT DIDN'T PASS AT ALL. THAT'S WHAT I'M CONCERNED ABOUT.
OKAY. BUT SO YOU LIKE THE POLICE HEADQUARTERS BY ITSELF? IF WE COULD. I JUST DON'T UNDERSTAND. HAVING CITY MAINTENANCE FACILITY.
I JUST, I'M CONCERNED THAT WE RISK NOT GETTING SOME OF THESE PASSED WITH THESE MASSIVE NUMBERS FOR PEOPLE WHO JUST SEE A MASSIVE NUMBER AND ARE LIKE, NOPE, WHEN THEY HAVEN'T BEEN EDUCATED.
OKAY. ALL RIGHT, HOLD ON. COUNCILMEMBER WILLIAMS. I AGREE WITH WHAT COUNCILWOMAN PRINCE JUST SAID, AND I THINK I'LL SPEAK FOR MYSELF AT LEAST.
BUT I THINK WHERE COUNCILMAN RICCIARDELLI WAS COMING FROM WAS ANY INDIVIDUAL PROJECT IN EXCESS OF 50 MILLION, MEANING THE POLICE STATION OR THE OR THE TRAINING CENTER. NOT A CATEGORY LIKE RESIDENTIAL STREET AND ALLEY REPAIR SEPARATE FROM ARTERIAL CONCRETE.
LIKE I'D RATHER HAVE JUST ONE STREETS AND ALLEYS ITEM.
I'D LIKE TO WHITTLE IT DOWN TO 300 MILLION, BUT STILL ONE STREETS AND ALLEYS ITEM.
BUT FOR ANY INDIVIDUAL PROJECT THAT IS OVER 50 MILLION, LIKE A POLICE HEADQUARTERS TRAINING CENTER AND THEN ALL THE FIRE STATION WORK, I'M GOOD WITH THE TOTAL AMOUNTS AND I'M GOOD GOING WITH THE BONDS FOR THEM NOW, BUT I AGREE WITH BREAKING THOSE LARGE ITEMS OUT.
OKAY. ALL RIGHT. AND IF I MEAN IF EVERYBODY WAS ALSO THAT WAS BETTER STATED THAN I STATED IT.
THOSE FOUR STAND OUT AS INDIVIDUAL ITEMS THAT YOU WOULD LIKE TO SEE AS INDIVIDUAL PROPOSITIONS.
BECAUSE AS I UNDERSTAND IT, THAT'S ALL ON THAT SAME TRACT OF LAND. IT'S CORRECT, BUT YOU CAN'T MOVE THE FLEET WITHOUT THE PARK SIDE OF THINGS BECAUSE YOU HAVE NO PLACE TO PUT IT. CORRECT. SO I WOULD I WOULD SAY THAT'S ONE PROJECT.
YEAH. THAT'S I WAS VIEWING THAT AS ONE PROJECT.
SO WE HAVE FOUR OF THOSE THAT ARE 50 MILLION AND ABOVE.
CORRECT. OKAY I THINK SO. JUST MAKING SURE I'M TRACKING ALONG HERE.
JUST. YEAH. OKAY. THANK YOU. OKAY. THANK YOU.
MARIA. I'M SORRY. DID YOU HAVE SOMETHING? WELL, SORRY, RICK, I GUESS INSTEAD OF GOING LINE ITEM.
MR. MAYOR, I THINK. WELL, NOW THAT I'VE HEARD, EVERYBODY'S STARTING TO TALK, I'M GETTING IT.
IT'S. BUT WHAT I WAS GOING TO SUGGEST IS THAT INSTEAD OF GOING LINE BY LINE WITH WHAT WE ARE AGREEING TO REDUCE OR MOVE OVER TO FUTURE IS MAYBE JUST AGREE TO LIKE, YOU KNOW, HAVE THE STAFF GO BACK AND REDUCE IT TO THE AMOUNT THAT WE'RE COMFORTABLE IN PRESENTING TO THE BOND REFERENDUM. THAT THAT'S ALL I WOULD I APPRECIATE YOU SAYING THAT, BUT I'M NOT SURE I CAN GET THERE JUST BUT I THINK WE'RE MAKING SOME HEADWAY. I THINK WE'RE REALLY WE'VE KNOCKED OFF THE MAJORITY OF THE, THE BONDS RIGHT NOW.
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SO ALL THAT'S RICK. I'M SORRY. I WAS GOING TO LET YOU.YOU HAD SOMETHING TO SAY. OH. THAT'S OKAY, I THINK.
I THINK WE PASSED THAT. I WAS GOING TO SAY COUNCIL MEMBER HORNE.
I REALLY APPRECIATE THE STATEMENT HE MADE WHERE HE'S COMING FROM.
SO REMEMBER, ALL WE'RE ASKING FOR IS THE AUTHORITY TO ISSUE THOSE BONDS.
SO THE FACT THAT WE HAVE THAT AUTHORITY, IF THE POLICE STATION SELLS AND WE GET A GREAT THING THAT WE COULD ALWAYS STILL DO THAT AND NEVER ISSUE THE 51 MILLION, THAT'S ALL I'M SAYING. I JUST THINK IT'S VERY IMPORTANT THAT WE DO THAT PROJECT OR WE HAVE THE CAPABILITY TO DO THAT PROJECT, HOWEVER THAT THAT COMES ABOUT AND, AND NOT HAVE THE CAPABILITY TO DO IT.
I WAS JUST TRYING TO HELP US GET TO A POINT WHERE WE DIDN'T HAVE THAT STICKER SHOCK TO THE VOTER, WHO'S NOT GOING TO COME TO OUR MEETINGS, YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN? WHO'S NOT GOING TO TAKE THE ENERGY IN TIME TO SEE THE WORK THAT OUR STAFF HAS DONE THAT DIDN'T TAKE THE TIME TO SEE THE NEEDS ANALYSIS.
I'M JUST TRYING TO HELP US GET TO THAT AREA THERE.
OKAY. AND SO REALLY, THAT'S WHERE MY POSITION WAS.
ALL RIGHT, SO WE'RE AT PARKS AND REC. PROPOSITION C.
I WILL TELL YOU ONE THING, MR. RICCIARDELLI. I PLAYED PONY BASEBALL ON SHELL PARK.
SO, YES, IT HAS BEEN THERE A LONG TIME. SO I, I CAN UNDERSTAND YOUR LOGIC, BUT I CAN ALSO TELL YOU IT'S VERY OLD. SO IT COULD DEFINITELY USE AN UPGRADE, BUT AGAIN THESE ARE, THESE ARE AREAS THAT, YOU KNOW, I'M WILLING TO, TO HERE.
IF THE RE'S A CONSENSUS ON COUNCIL TO DO ANYTHING OR GO WITH THE 60 MILLION BRICK AGAIN. MR. MAYOR AGAIN WHEN I MADE MY ORIGINAL STATEMENT PARTICULARLY HALL PARK IF WE'RE FORTUNATE IN THE VOTERS VOTE FOR BOTH THE HEADQUARTERS AND THE POLICE STATION, WE'RE LOOKING AT A FOUR YEAR TIMELINE THAT THAT WHOLE AREA IS JUST GOING TO BE TORN UP FROM AN INFRASTRUCTURE PERSPECTIVE. OKAY.
AND I WOULD LIKE TO PUSH TO HALL PARK, FINISH OUT, IF YOU WILL, TO THE NEXT BOND, BECAUSE THAT'S WHEN WE'LL PROBABLY NEED AND START LOOKING AT THE WORK. OKAY. BUT THAT WAS MY ONLY REASONING FOR THAT.
I COULD I SUPPORT I SUPPORT THAT AND I WOULD ALSO SUPPORT COUNCILMAN RICCIARDELLI OF REMOVING AND REMOVING OR REDUCING THE LAND ACQUISITIONS UNDER PARKS TO HELP US GET TO THE 600 NUMBER.
COUNCILMAN CAN YOU REITERATE YOUR LAND ACQUISITION NUMBERS THAT YOU PROPOSED? YES, I WAS GOING TO DECREASE THAT. IF IT'S OKAY WITH THE COUNCIL FROM 20 TO 10.
BECAUSE WHAT WE'VE GOT CURRENTLY IS 15 FOR LAVON FARMS. YOU KNOW, WE ABSOLUTELY NEED A PARK THERE BECAUSE OF WHAT'S GOING ON IN THE OAK POINT AREA.
I THINK I THINK THAT'S ALREADY A VERY HIGH END PARK.
WINDHAVEN MEADOWS WAS 10 MILLION FOR, FOR YOU KNOW OR I GUESS THAT WAS THE FINISH OUT.
BUT ANYWAY YOU KNOW, SO I THINK WE CAN DO A GREAT PARK, NEGOTIATE WITH THE DEVELOPER FOR 10 MILLION, AND THEN THERE'S 5 MILLION, YOU KNOW, IN THERE FOR KIND OF UNIDENTIFIED POSSIBLE FUTURE LAND.
AND I THINK SOMETHING WHERE WE DON'T EVEN HAVE AN IDENTIFIED USE FOR IT YET, WHERE WE DON'T KNOW HOW WE WOULD SPEND IT, IS SOMETHING THAT, YOU KNOW, WE MIGHT BE ABLE TO LOOK AT, LOOK AT THAT AND MAYBE LOOK AT IT AGAIN IN 2029.
NO, I THINK THAT'S DOWN TO 50 AT THE 50, BECAUSE I THINK IT LAYS OUT A HALL PARK.
RIGHT. AND THEN AND THEN TEN OUT OF THE CORRECT.
YES. SO YOU'RE YES. SO IT'D BE GOT IT. IT'D BE 40.
YEAH. YEP. OKAY. FLEET OPERATIONS. IS EVERYBODY OKAY WITH THAT? I'M SORRY. EXCUSE ME. ALL RIGHT. WELL, I WAS PARK AND REC, BID 40.
YEAH. AND THEN FLEET OPERATIONS. WE I MEAN, SHALL WE GO AHEAD?
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OH, EVERYTHING COUNCILMAN RICCIARDELLI JUST SAID.WELL, AND RICK, YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT YOU VISITED THAT AND THAT, IT'S CRITICAL.
AND I'VE SEEN IT SEVERAL TIMES, AND MOST OF OUR FIRE TRUCKS DON'T FIT INTO THE BASE.
AND THEY DON'T. THEY'RE TOO BIG. YEAH. SO THAT'S A THAT'S A REAL CRITICAL PUBLIC FACILITY.
BUT I THINK SOMEBODY WAS TALKING ABOUT THE FACILITIES MAINTENANCE LAND ACQUISITION.
WAS THAT YOU THAT? THAT WAS ME. I GUESS I WAS I WAS SEVERAL OF THESE THINGS.
BUT SO HERE'S THE THING ABOUT THE THIS IS PROPOSITION F, BUT THE FACILITIES MAINTENANCE ACQUISITION IS BASICALLY WE'RE MOVING MONEY FROM ONE ACCOUNT TO ANOTHER. WE'RE BUYING THE WE'RE ALREADY BUYING THIS LAND WITH THE LAND BANK MONEY.
THE POINT I WAS MAKING IS THAT WE HAVE MONEY IN THE LAND BANK.
AND IF WE IF WE SELL BONDS AND PAY INTEREST, WE INCUR DEBT JUST TO REPAY THE LAND BANK.
THEN WE'VE GOT MONEY SITTING IN THE LAND BANK THAT WE DON'T HAVE A USE FOR YET.
BUT ALL THE WHILE, WE'RE PAYING INTEREST BECAUSE WE WANTED TO MOVE IT FROM ONE ACCOUNT TO ANOTHER.
AND I THINK RATHER THAN PAY INTEREST ON MONEY THAT WE DON'T HAVE AN IDENTIFIED USE FOR YET, YOU KNOW, THIS KIND OF GOES BACK TO THE 5 MILLION OF PARK'S LAND THAT DIDN'T HAVE AN IDENTIFIED USE YET.
I THINK IT WOULD BE IT WOULD BE BETTER TO JUST, YOU KNOW, REPAY THE LAND BANK AT SOME FUTURE DATE WHEN WE HAVE AN IDENTIFIED USE FOR THOSE FUNDS IN THE LAND BANK, RATHER THAN PAYING INTEREST BEFORE WE DO.
AND COUNCILMAN AND I DID HAVE A DISCUSSION. AND WHAT HE SAYS IS ACCURATE.
WE ARE CLOSE TO THE TOP OF THE USE OF THE LAND BANK.
SO IT'S JUST AGAIN IT'S, IT'S HOWEVER COUNCIL PREFERS TO MOVE FORWARD.
AND I THINK PART OF THE PURPOSE FOR THE LAND BANK WAS DISCUSSION OF REPLENISHING IT THROUGH THE REPAYMENT OF, OF THAT LAND. WE'RE TALKING ABOUT D. I THINK THIS IS I THINK THIS MIGHT BE F ON THE.
WELL, YEAH. I'M SORRY THAT BOTH. YEAH. IT'S BOTH QUITE FRANKLY.
C AND D? NO D AND F. D AND F. AND IF WE TAKE THE 3.9 OUT. THEN THAT'S ALL THAT F IS. THAT'S RIGHT.
AND THEN WE WOULD ALSO HAVE ONE FEWER PROPOSITION.
SO AS WE SPLIT A COUPLE OTHER THINGS OUT, AS WE MENTIONED, WE WOULD NOT BE HAVING, YOU KNOW, SO MANY BOND PROPOSITIONS ON THERE. I KNOW I'M OKAY WITH TAKING THAT ONE OUT.
WHERE ARE WE AT? WE'RE HOW DO YOU STAND ON THAT ON F SHELBY? YEAH, I'M GOOD ON F. W E'LL TAKING IT OUT. YEAH, YEAH.
OKAY. RICK. THAT'S AGAIN, I SEE THAT AS A PUBLIC WORKS.
IF I'LL LEAVE THAT TO MARK'S FOLKS. IF IT'S NOT ABSOLUTELY NECESSARY AT THIS MOMENT, AND WE CAN COVER IT ANOTHER WAY, I'M GOOD WITH TAKING IT OUT. BUT AS EVERYBODY WAS TALKING ABOUT, I MEAN, BEING ABLE TO MAINTAIN OUR EQUIPMENT, AND EVERYTHING THAT WE HAVE IN THIS CITY THAT PROVIDES THE SERVICE IS CRITICAL.
SO AS LONG AS WE'RE NOT AFFECTING THAT, I'M OKAY WITH IT.
MR. MAYOR, IF I COULD JUST OFFER A QUICK CLARIFICATION, COUNCIL MEMBER SMITH SAID AS I UNDERSTAND FROM CITY MANAGER ISRAELSON, WE ARE DOING THAT. WE'RE ALREADY DOING IT WITH ACQUIRING THAT LAND WITH LAND BANK FUNDS.
IT'S JUST A QUESTION OF WHETHER WE WOULD ISSUE DEBT TO PAY BACK THE LAND BANK.
AND MY CONCERN WAS, WHILE I DO SUPPORT REPLENISHING THE LAND BANK AND HAVING THAT MONEY AVAILABLE FOR AN OPPORTUNITY, I DON'T KNOW THAT WE WANT TO BE PAYING INTEREST ON THE MONEY THAT'S SITTING IN THE LAND BANK AND ACTUALLY TAKE OUT DEBT TO DO THAT.
BUT AS I UNDERSTAND IT, WE'RE GOING TO DO THIS FACILITY, WE NEED IT FOR SURE. MARIA.
SO I GUESS I DON'T UNDERSTAND. I MEAN, WHY CAN'T WE LET THE VOTERS DECIDE? I MEAN, THIS IS A SEPARATE ITEM. IS AT THE LAST OF THE PROPOSITION IS $3.9 MILLION VERSUS ALL THE ALL THE OTHER ONES.
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AND WE'RE TALKING ABOUT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT CRITICAL ITEMS THAT, YOU KNOW, I THINK THE RESIDENTS SHOULD MAKE THAT DECISION.I MEAN, IT'S ALREADY SEPARATE. SO BUT THE PROBLEM WITH THE WAY THIS IS CREATED, IT MAKES IT SOUND LIKE THAT 3.9 MILLION IS GOING TO BE FOR THE CITY MAINTENANCE FACILITY, NOT FOR THE PURCHASE OF THE LAND.
SO LIKE TO THE POINT THAT COUNCIL MEMBER HORNE HAS MADE, IF YOU'RE JUST GOING TO THE VOTER AND THE VOTER IS JUST SEEING THIS ON THE BALLOT, AND THEY'RE NOT ACTUALLY DOING ALL THEIR RESEARCH BEFOREHAND.
THIS DOESN'T THIS LOOKS LIKE PROPOSITION F IS TO BUILD THE FACILITY.
AND WHAT IF I'M UNDERSTANDING OUR CONVERSATION.
RIGHT. THAT IS NOT WHAT THIS 3.9 MILLION IS FOR.
I MEAN, THIS IS I MEAN, EVERYTHING THAT'S BEEN PROPOSED WAS WENT THROUGH THE ADVISORY BOARD OF OUR, YOU KNOW, THE CITIZENS WHO, YOU KNOW, WHO PUT THIS TOGETHER AND MADE THE RECOMMENDATION.
I JUST DON'T THINK WE COULD JUST GO IN AND IF AND THAT ON IT, I DON'T MIND IF WE WANT TO TRY TO GET TO A CERTAIN DOLLAR AMOUNT, FOR EXAMPLE. BUT IT WAS IF YOU LOOK AT WHAT THEY DID, IT WAS LISTED AS FACILITIES MAINTENANCE FACILITY LAND ACQUISITION 3.9, AND IT WAS ONE OF THE LOWEST RANKED. I LIKE I SAID, IF WE WANT TO TRY TO GET TO A CERTAIN NUMBER, I'M FINE. AND, YOU KNOW, HAVING, YOU KNOW, GO THROUGH LINE ITEM FOR THE STAFF TO GET TO, TO WHATEVER.
BUT I MEAN, ONE AREA OF PROPOSITION F, I MEAN, THIS IS THIS IS ALL BY ITSELF.
I MEAN, I THINK THE RESIDENTS SHOULD HAVE THE, THE, THE CHOICE OF DECIDING WHETHER OR NOT THEY WANT IT OR NOT, YOU KNOW, INSTEAD OF OUR OWN PERSONAL OPINION, WHETHER OR NOT WE SHOULD PUT IT ON THERE. I GET IT, I JUST THINK IT LOOKS MISLEADING THIS WAY TO PEOPLE.
WELL, I JUST DON'T LIKE. OKAY. SHELBY. YES, I AGREE WITH COUNCIL MEMBER PRINCE.
THE WAY IT APPEARS ON THE BOND ITEM, IT SAYS THE FACILITY RESIDENTS WILL BE LED TO BELIEVE THAT IT'S A FACILITY THAT'S BEING CONSTRUCTED, LEADING THEM TO THINK THAT THERE'S A NEED FOR SUCH A FACILITY.
THANK YOU. DID NOT PRESENT US A WHITTLED DOWN LIST.
THEY TOOK THE ENTIRE LIST THAT WAS PRESENTED BY STAFF AND SIMPLY PRIORITIZED IT.
SO I UNDERSTAND THAT THE 600 MILLION WE'RE TRYING TO GET TO COLLECTIVELY IS A SOMEWHAT ARBITRARY NUMBER, BUT SO WAS THE 700 MILLION THAT WAS GIVEN TO THE COMMITTEE.
OKAY. COME ON. SO QUICKLY. MAYOR AND COUNCIL AND KIND OF WORKING THROUGH THAT, ONE OF THE THINGS I AM LOOKING AT IS, IS TO WHAT Y'ALL ARE TALKING ABOUT AS FAR AS FACILITIES AND WHAT WE MIGHT BE ABLE TO GROUP TOGETHER, WE CAN GO BACK AND TALK WITH BOB DRANSFELD ABOUT TRYING TO PUT SOME OF THESE TOGETHER, WITH THE UNDERSTANDING THAT THOSE OVER $50 MILLION WOULD BE THEIR OWN STANDALONE FACILITY.
SO WE CAN LOOK TO SEE IF SOME OF THESE SMALLER ONES.
BUT IF YOU'D RATHER NOT HAVE THESE EMBEDDED IN THERE JUST BECAUSE THE PURPOSE OF IT DOESN'T MATCH WITH WHAT YOU'RE TRYING TO DO, AND IT NEEDS TO BE PUSHED OUT FOR FUTURE YEARS OR, YOU KNOW, LOOK FOR OTHER OPPORTUNITIES.
I MEAN, CANDIDLY COUNCIL, THERE'S NOT FUNDS JUST SITTING AROUND THAT WE'RE LOOKING TO DO THIS.
WE WOULD HAVE ALREADY DONE IT HAD HAD WE HAD THAT.
BUT I THINK WE CAN GO BACK TO OUR BOND ATTORNEY AND TALK TO HIM ABOUT SOME OF THESE GROUPS AND SEE IF WE CAN'T COLLAPSE SOME OF THESE TOGETHER AND THEN LOOK AT THOSE OTHER INDIVIDUAL ITEMS. SO IF YOU'RE CONCERNED ABOUT THAT, I THINK WE CAN WORK ON THAT.
ALL RIGHT. SO FINALLY IS THE LIBRARY FACILITIES.
I THINK OUTSIDE OF THAT, WE WE WE KIND OF AGREED ON EVERYTHING.
ARE WE OKAY WITH THAT? I THINK ANTHONY. ANTHONY, YOU HAD I THINK PARR WAS WAS ONE THAT YOU WANTED TO. YES, MAYOR. THANK YOU.
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SO, YOU KNOW, I HOPE HOPE THE STAFF WILL NOT BE MAD AT ME NEXT TIME I GO IN THERE, AS I FREQUENTLY DO.I USE PA LIBRARY VERY FREQUENTLY, AND I LOVE IT.
THAT'S ACTUALLY WHY I THINK IT COULD WAIT, BECAUSE I WAS CANDIDLY SURPRISED TO SEE IT ON HERE, BECAUSE I THINK IT'S IN SUCH EXCELLENT SHAPE. AND SO, I MEAN, IT'S IT'S CONSISTENTLY MET MY NEEDS, MY KIDS NEEDS, YOU KNOW, MY WIFE'S NEEDS, YOU KNOW.
SO ANYWAY, AND I WOULD SAY, YOU KNOW, WHILE CERTAINLY IT HAS MORE NEEDS THAN PA, WE COULD LOOK AT TAKING HAGGARD OFF AS WELL BECAUSE AGAIN, WE'VE GOT 20 THESE ARE 20 YEAR BONDS. WE'VE GOT FIVE LIBRARIES.
SO IF YOU DIVIDE 20 BY FIVE, THAT'S FOUR. SO IF EVERY FOUR YEARS DURING EVERY BOND CYCLE WE TACKLE ONE LIBRARY, THEN, YOU KNOW, OVER EVERY 20 YEAR BOND CYCLE WILL REFRESH EVERY LIBRARY.
SO THAT, YOU KNOW, EVERY BOND CYCLE, WE REFRESH ONE OF OUR FIVE LIBRARIES.
OKAY, SHELBY, I REALLY LIKE COUNCILMAN SUGGESTION, BUT ONE OF MY QUESTIONS AS WELL, REGARDING THE BOND ITEM FOR LIBRARIES RELATES TO THE CONSENT ITEM THAT I ASKED TO BE PULLED FOR INDIVIDUAL CONSIDERATION TONIGHT, WHICH WAS. SO THIS BOND ITEM FOR THE SCHIMELPFENIG RENOVATION IS ALMOST $2 MILLION.
BUT ON THE CONSENT AGENDA TONIGHT, WE HAD ALMOST $400,000 FOR SHELF REPLACEMENT AT SCHIMELPFENIG.
AND I'M WONDERING, WELL, I WENT TO SCHIMELPFENIG ON THE WAY HERE TO LOOK AT THE SHELVES.
LIBBY, WOULD YOU MIND? THANK YOU.
SORRY YOU HAD TO COME DOWN EARLY, LIBBY. AM I ALLOWED TO TOUCH THIS? OKAY, SURE. JUST DON'T SCREAM INTO IT. I'M SHORT. GOOD EVENING.
BUT THEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE BOND ITEM TO REMODEL SCHIMELPFENIG.
MAYBE WHAT WAS THE WORD YOU USED? YEAH. REMODEL SCHIMELPFENIG.
SO IF I CAN SPEAK TO JUST THE SHELVING PIECE FIRST.
SO EVERY BUDGET YEAR, WE SHARE WHAT OUR PROJECTED COUPLE OF YEARS.
WHAT YEARS. WHAT ARE WE LOOKING AT IN NEEDS FOR OUR BUILDINGS OR RESOURCES? AND SCHIMELPFENIG CAME UP A FEW YEARS AGO IN OUR BOND DISCUSSIONS AND IN OUR BUDGET DISCUSSIONS.
SO WE'VE WAITED A COUPLE YEARS AND NOW THE TWO HAVE KIND OF WE HAVE THE FUNDING AND THE CAPACITY.
THAT'S WHY WE'RE ASKING FOR THE SHELVING RIGHT NOW.
I SEE FOR THE BOND FOR SCHIMELPFENIG, IT'S MORE THE PAINT AND THE PAINT, THE CARPET AND SOME FURNITURE TYPE OF THINGS. IT'S NOT SHELVING. OKAY.
THANK YOU FOR THAT, THAT HELPS. AND IT ACTUALLY EMPHASIZES THE NOTION OF DOING A HOLISTIC REMODEL ONCE EVERY FOUR YEARS FOR EACH OF THE LIBRARIES SO THAT WE'RE NOT KIND OF PATCHWORKING THE WORK THAT ULTIMATELY NEEDS TO BE DONE AT ALL OF THEM.
A LITTLE SHELVING HERE, A LITTLE PAINT THERE, BUT DOING A FULL, PROPER REMODEL PERIODICALLY? SURE. OKAY. THANK YOU. LIBBY. OKAY. MY PLEASURE.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? NO. THANK YOU. OKAY. SO IF CAN I PROVIDE AN UPDATE REAL QUICK? YEAH. I'VE BEEN TRYING TO TRACK THIS COUNCIL TO MAKE SURE THAT I'M GETTING IT RIGHT.
AND I HOPE TO READ IT OFF TO YOU TO MAKE SURE THAT, AGAIN, THINGS ARE BEING EXPLICIT.
SO LET ME LET ME SEE IF I CAN GET THIS CORRECT.
AND I'M JUST GOING DOWN THE LIST SO THAT YOU ALL SEE AND TALKING ABOUT ADJUSTMENTS.
SO THE FIRST ADJUSTMENT IS HALL PARK AND HALL PARK, WE'RE GOING TO PUSH OUT TO 2029.
SO THAT'S COMPLETELY COMING OFF THE LIST. NEXT IS MISCELLANEOUS.
AND WE ARE COMPLETELY TAKING THAT OUT FROM THE TRAFFIC IMPROVEMENTS.
THE NEXT ITEM IS THE HAGGARD LIBRARY REMODEL.
IT IS COMING OFF AND GOING TO A FUTURE YEAR. IF I'M GOING TOO FAST, Y'ALL TELL ME TO SLOW DOWN.
THE NEXT THING COMING DOWN IS LAND ACQUISITIONS AND LAND ACQUISITIONS.
WE ARE SHIFTING TO $10 MILLION IN TOTAL. REGARDLESS OF WHETHER IT'S LAVON OR ANYTHING ELSE.
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IT'S JUST $10 MILLION. SO IT BASICALLY TOOK THAT 20 AND CUT IT IN HALF.AND SO WE'RE JUST GOING TO SAY IT'S $10 MILLION FOR LAND ACQUISITIONS.
SO FAR I'M GETTING NODS FROM A FEW FOLKS. SO FAR WE'RE DOING OKAY.
WE'RE GOING TO LOOK TOWARDS TIF FUNDS TO SEE IF THAT IS POSSIBLE TO PROGRAM THAT SIDEWALKS.
WE ARE GOING TO LOOK TO CAPITAL MAINTENANCE TO SEE WHAT WE CAN FUND IN FOR SIDEWALKS, FACILITIES MAINTENANCE, FACILITY LAND ACQUISITION. WE ARE GOING TO BUMP OUT FOR THOSE FOUR YEARS.
SCREEN WALL. WE'RE GOING TO LOOK AT CAPITAL MAINTENANCE RECONSTRUCTION.
WE'RE LOOKING AT CAPITAL MAINTENANCE. AND GET WHAT'S THE TOTAL? I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE I'M LOOKING AROUND EVERYBODY. DID I GET EVERYTHING RIGHT? ANYBODY MISSING ANYTHING MATERIAL? COUNCILMAN HORNE. YEAH. GO AHEAD. HOLD ON, I GOT YOU.
BRETT, GO. THANKS. I HAVE A QUESTION. IF WE'RE GOING TO BE DOING A LIBRARY EVERY FOUR YEARS NOW REQUESTING BONDING FUNDS TO REMODEL THAT, THEN WHEN I LOOK AT THE LIBRARY, I MEAN, WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT NOW, WHAT LIBBY WAS PRESENTING WAS BASICALLY PAINT AND CARPET AND TILE AND FURNITURE AND STUFF.
IF WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT TO REMODEL AN ENTIRE LIBRARY, DO WE NEED TO LOOK AT MORE FROM THE MECHANICAL SYSTEMS, THE PLUMBING, THE ENGINEERING ON THAT SORT OF SORT OF THING BECAUSE I'M, LOOKING HERE THAT WE HAD, YOU KNOW, 2 MILLION HERE, A MILLION HERE, ANOTHER MILLION AND A HALF HERE.
SHOULD WE LOOK AT THAT? IF WE'RE GOING TO KEEP THAT LIBRARY? AND THAT'S THE ONLY ONE WE'RE GOING TO DO IN FOUR YEARS. SHOULD WE CONSIDER BUMPING THAT VALUE UP? I KNOW WE'RE TRYING TO REDUCE THE NUMBER, BUT YOU KNOW WHAT ARE WE GOING TO LOOK.
WHAT'S THAT GOING TO LOOK LIKE IN ANOTHER FOUR YEARS.
THAT'S WHAT I'M GETTING AT ON THAT TYPE. SO GO AHEAD, COUNCILMAN.
HOLD ON. LET ME GET YOU. ALL RIGHT. GO. WE'RE AT YOUR MERCY, MAYOR.
MAYBE BUMP UP THE SCHIMELPFENIG BOND BUDGET HERE TO ENCOMPASS A MORE PROPER REMODEL.
I THINK THAT'S WHAT YOU WERE REFERENCING. COUNCILMAN HORNE, RIGHT.
ELECTRONICS TO HIGH SPEED INTERNET. EVERYTHING THAT'S ASSOCIATED.
THIS IS JUST BEYOND WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT WITH REGARDS JUST TO PAINT AND CARPET.
SO COUNCILMAN, LET ME, IF YOU DON'T MIND. NO, GO AHEAD REAL QUICK.
SO, COUNCILMAN, I HEAR WHERE YOU'RE COMING FROM.
AND I THINK THAT THAT'S PART OF WHAT WE LOOK TO DO, AND THIS BECOMES A LITTLE BIT OF A BLEND BETWEEN OUR, OUR BOND DOLLARS AND OUR CAPITAL MAINTENANCE DOLLARS AND REPLACING SOME OF THOSE MECHANICAL THAT WE HAVE ON A SCHEDULED PROGRAM.
SO WE HAVE ROOFS ON A TEN YEAR CYCLE. WE HAVE SOME OF THESE ELEMENTS ON, ON YOU KNOW, REPLACEMENT CYCLES THAT WE WORK THROUGH TO, TO YOUR POINT. SO AS FAR AS WHAT'S INCLUDED IN THIS PARTICULAR ASPECT, PAUL, DO YOU HAVE A I KNOW THAT THERE YOU HAVE THE LIST, BUT AS FAR AS THE MAYBE MORE ENHANCED OR MORE COMPREHENSIVE UPDATE, IS THERE ANYTHING THAT YOU CAN ADD TO ADD COLOR TO THAT? SURE. GOOD EVENING. PAUL KUNZE, THE FACILITIES DIVISION MANAGER.
FOR ALL THREE LIBRARIES, WE HAVE THREE LARGE STUDY PODS AND THREE SMALL PODS.
THAT'S THE FURNITURE PART OF THIS THAT YOU SEE.
IN SUPPORT OF THAT, WE HAVE THE ELECTRICAL CONNECTIONS TO ALL THOSE STUDY PODS.
ALL OF THE LIBRARIES HAVE RESTROOMS THAT, LET'S JUST SAY, NEED A LOT OF HELP.
THEY ALL NEED REMODELING. THEY'RE ALL VERY OLD.
AND SO FOR ME, SCHIMELPFENIG, WE HAVE FOUR LARGE LIBRARY RESTROOMS AND THREE SMALL RESTROOMS THAT WE'RE GOING TO GET A COMPLETE BASICALLY GUTTED DOWN TO STUDS, REFRESH THE PLUMBING, EVERYTHING PAINT THROUGHOUT SCHIMELPFENIG AND ALL NEW CARPET.
WE HAVE TECHNOLOGY THAT WE CAN LIFT THE SHELVING UP AND REPLACE THE CARPET. SO DEPENDING THEY DON'T NECESSARILY HAVE TO MATCH THE TIMING OF EACH OTHER, SO WE DO THAT QUITE OFTEN. DID YOU GUYS WANT TO HEAR WHAT'S ALSO IN HAGGARD AND IN PARR AS WELL? I THINK THE FOCUS IS ON A SINGLE LIBRARY TODAY.
PAUL. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? OKAY.
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BOND PACKAGE, I WOULD BE SUPPORTIVE OF ADDING THAT INTO THIS BOND PACKAGE.YOU KNOW, OBVIOUSLY NOT MAKING THE NUMBER BIGGER THAN IT PREVIOUSLY WAS WITH THREE LIBRARIES IN THERE, BUT WITH THE IDEA OF KIND OF, YOU KNOW, A COMPREHENSIVE REFRESH, BUT, YOU KNOW, FOCUSING ON LONG TERM ITEMS LIKE THE ONES YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT, BECAUSE AS YOU TALKED ABOUT CITY MANAGER ISRAELSON, WE HAVE THE CAPITAL MAINTENANCE FUND ALREADY FOR ROUTINE MAINTENANCE.
AND BOND FUNDS ARE TYPICALLY FOR THINGS THAT LAST 20 YEARS OR LONGER THAT ARE GOING TO, YOU KNOW, KIND OF BE, YOU KNOW, A REAL SORT OF CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT TO THE LIBRARY.
SO BUT I MEAN, IF THERE ARE OTHER THINGS THAT WERE ANTICIPATED FOR 29 OR 33 FOR SCHIMELPFENIG, LET'S DO IT ALL NOW. ITS ROOF IS LESS THAN FIVE YEARS OLD.
SO WE DON'T NEED THEM THERE. SO I THINK WE'RE OKAY.
PERFECT. ALL RIGHT. SO IS EVERYBODY OKAY WITH.
WITH WHAT MARK JUST RAN THROUGH? OKAY. ARE YOU OKAY, RICK? SORRY. GO AHEAD. WE'RE TALKING 52 MILLION BUCKS THAT WE'VE REDUCED, SO.
YEAH, THAT'S EXACTLY RIGHT. ALRIGHT, SO DO Y'ALL WANT TO KNOW THE TOTAL? YEAH. RICK ALREADY TOLD ME. WHAT DID HE SAY? 50.
I T IS. YES. SO IT'S $647,911,000. OKAY. SO. ALL RIGHT. NOT QUITE. BUT WE WILL WORK WITH OUR BOND COUNSEL TO MAKE SURE THAT WE, WE WORK ON BREAKING THOSE OUT, SEE WHAT WE CAN CONSOLIDATE. WE'LL BRING BACK THE FINAL LANGUAGE.
THE FINAL PROJECT LIST. BUT. COUNCIL. THANK YOU.
THIS IS. THIS IS HUGE TO BE ABLE TO TAKE TO THE COMMUNITY.
IT IS VERY MEANINGFUL. I KNOW THIS IS NOT EASY.
BUT APPRECIATE ALL YOUR WORK TOWARDS THIS. THANK YOU.
THANK YOU ALL. THANK YOU, STAFF, FOR ALL THE WORK YOU PUT INTO THIS.
YEAH. OH, I'M SO SORRY, MARIA.
YEAH, OKAY. MY APOLOGIES. I MEANT TO DO THIS AT PROCLAMATION TIME.
MARIA? YES? I THINK YOU HAVE SOMETHING TO SAY.
YES. HAPPY CHINESE NEW YEAR. YAY! SO I HAVE A STATEMENT FOR EVERY YEAR I DO THIS.
AND I FIGURED THIS IS A REALLY GOOD INSERT FOR SOMETHING HAPPY? YEAH. SO CHINESE NEW YEAR OR LUNAR NEW YEAR IS GOING TO BE THIS WEDNESDAY IS JANUARY 29TH.
IT WILL BE THE NEW YEAR FOR THE YEAR OF THE WOODEN GREEN SNAKE.
WOOD GREEN SNAKE. SO IN MANY PARTS OF TAIWAN, WE CALL THOSE BORN IN THE YEAR THE SNAKE AS QUOTE UNQUOTE, LITTLE DRAGONS. WHY? IT'S BECAUSE MANY MOTHERS TRY TO GET PREGNANT DURING THE YEAR OF THE DRAGON, AND THEY MISSED THE DAY, SO THEY END UP HAVING LITTLE DRAGONS, WHICH IS BORN IN THE YEAR OF THE SNAKE.
THEY'RE CALLED THAT LITERALLY THEIR NICKNAME IS LITTLE DRAGON.
SO ALSO ANOTHER INTERESTING TIDBIT. MANY PEOPLE HAVE ASKED ME WHY CHINESE NEW YEAR IS ALWAYS, YOU KNOW, NOW POLITICALLY CORRECT TO SAY LUNAR NEW YEAR.
BUT WHY IS IT ALWAYS LATER THAN JANUARY 1ST? WELL, LET ME JUST TELL YOU, THE CHINESE NEW YEAR HAS ALWAYS BEEN AROUND, AND IT'S ALWAYS BEEN IN EXISTENCE SINCE 1912.
IT WASN'T UNTIL AFTER 1912 THAT THE INSERTION OR THE INCORPORATION OF JANUARY 1ST BEING THE NEW YEAR CAME INTO EXISTENCE IN, IN THE ASIAN COUNTRIES. SO WHY IS IT CHINESE NEW YEAR RATHER THAN JUST A REGULAR LUNAR NEW YEAR? BECAUSE IT'S TECHNICALLY NOT. IT'S NOT LUNAR CALENDAR.
IT'S THE STRICT BASIS FOR LUNAR CALENDARS ACTUALLY PRACTICE IN ISLAM.
SO THEY DO A LITTLE BIT OF ADJUSTMENT EACH YEAR IN ORDER TO INCORPORATE ALL THE CALENDARS, TO MAKE SURE THAT IT SORT OF REFLECTS THE AGRICULTURAL CONDITIONS, REFLECT THE SEASONS AS WELL AS WHAT IS NECESSARY.
ALL RIGHT. SO THE LUNAR NEW YEAR IS THE I GUESS, BASED ON THE MOON IS ACTUALLY ONLY 29.5 DAYS. SO THE SUN CALENDAR IS 30.2 DAYS. THAT'S WHY WHEN WE WHEN WE USE THE SUN CALENDAR EVERY FOUR
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YEARS, THEY HAVE LIKE A LEAP YEAR. THEY ADD ONE MORE DAY.SO THEY ACTUALLY ADD A MONTH, AN ENTIRE MONTH, EVERY 2 OR 3 MONTHS, EVERY 2 OR 3 YEARS.
SO THAT'S THE REASON WHY, WHEN YOU LOOK AT IT, THE CHINESE, THE CHINESE NEW YEAR IS ALWAYS ABOUT 15 DAYS TO 30 DAYS AFTER THE JANUARY 1ST NEW YEAR. ALL RIGHT. SO MANY OF US KNOW THAT THE CHINESE HAS A TRADITION OF GIVING OUT RED ENVELOPES WITH MONEY TO CHILDREN. LOOKS LIKE THE ONES THAT WE HAVE HERE.
AND SO A LITTLE LEGEND. THE LEGEND SAYS THAT THERE'S A MONSTER THAT'S CALLED YEAR.
SO THE MONSTER IS AFRAID OF BRIGHT COLORS, BRIGHT LIGHTS AND LOUD NOISES.
SO IT IS CUSTOMARY FOR PEOPLE TO STAY AWAKE TO GUARD AGAINST THE ATTACK OF THE MONSTER YEAR ON THE EVE OF THE NEW YEAR, TO KEEP THEMSELVES AWAKE. THE PEOPLE GATHERED THEIR FRIENDS AND FAMILIES TO PLAY MUSIC, EAT, DRINK AND TALK TOGETHER INSIDE THE HOUSE. OUTSIDE THE HOUSE THEY SET OFF FIRECRACKERS, BANG THE GONG, LAUGH AND YELL TO KEEP THE ENERGY OF THE HOUSE HIGH.
WELL, UNFORTUNATELY, IT IS VERY DIFFICULT TO KEEP CHILDREN AWAKE.
WELL, THE CHILDREN TRIED. THEY PLAYED WITH THE COINS AND THEN THEY GOT TIRED.
AND THEN THEY SPLASHED THE COINS ON TOP OF THEIR PILLOW.
AND THEN THEY WENT TO BED. WELL, THE MONSTER CAME AND LOOKED AT THE COINS AND IT WAS REALLY BRIGHT.
SO YOU KNOW, THEY GOT SCARED AND THE MONSTER WENT AWAY.
SO THEREIN LIES THE REASON WHY CHILDREN START GETTING MONEY DURING CHINESE NEW YEAR.
BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, THEY GIVE THEM TWO COINS TO PUT UNDER THEIR PILLOW TO MAKE SURE THEY'RE SAFE.
ALL RIGHT, SO THAT'S HOW IT CAME ABOUT. WE WANT TO KEEP THE CHILDREN SAFE.
WE WANT TO KEEP THE ELDERS SAFE, KEEP THE WARD OFF THE EVIL SPIRITS BEFORE THE END OF THE NEW YEAR.
RED ENVELOPES BECAME A PART OF TRADITION. BECAUSE CHINESE PEOPLE LOVE THE COLOR RED.
THE COLOR RED STANDS SECOND TO THE IMPORTANCE OF THE IMPERIAL YELLOW THAT THE EMPERORS WEAR.
SO RED SIGNIFIES SUCCESS, PROSPERITY, AND LUCK.
SO IF YOU'RE WEARING RED, THAT MEANS YOU'RE GOING SOMEWHERE IN LIFE.
GIVING RED ENVELOPES FILLED WITH MONEY ARE A SYMBOL OF GIVING GOOD WISHES TO THOSE WHO RECEIVE IT.
SO THE CHINESE NEW YEAR IS 15 DAYS. SO STARTING FROM JANUARY 29TH, THAT'S WHERE YOU COUNT 15 DAYS.
NOT BEFORE. SO IT IS NOT SAFE UNTIL THE 15 DAYS IS OVER.
SO LOOK INTO YOUR ELDERLY PARENTS AND YOUR NEIGHBORS.
HAPPY CHINESE NEW YEAR, Y'ALL! YAY! THANK YOU.
WELL DONE MARIA. THANK YOU. OKAY, WE'RE GOING TO STAY WHERE YOU'RE AT, LISA.
BUT WE'RE GOING TO GO BACK AND JUST CONFIRM WITH EVERYBODY THE PROPOSITIONS AND MAKE SURE EVERYBODY'S IN AGREEMENT ON HOW THEY'RE CATEGORIZED. SO WE'VE GOT STREETS AT 342.
WE GOT B AS POLICE HEADQUARTERS 155. WE HAVE C, A PD TRAINING FACILITY 51.
WE HAVE D, PUBLIC SAFETY FACILITIES, 37. WE HAVE E THE PARKWAY SERVICES AND FLEET 54. F MUNICIPAL FACILITIES.
SORRY. THAT'S OKAY. I'M GETTING AHEAD. I'M READING FAST.
CAN YOU DO THEM? OKAY. THAT'S IT. NO. WE GOT.
WE KNOW THE. YEAH. A COUPLE MORE, PLEASE. THAT WAS IT, C.
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WHERE I'M AT? F. MUNICIPAL FACILITIES.YEAH. SO WE GOT. TO THE POINT. I THINK IT'S JUST.
OKAY. SO F WOULD BE LIBRARIES 1.8 AND THEN PARKS, IS THAT WHAT YOU GOT? PARKS. YEAH. P ARKS AT 40. YEAH. WE CAN PUT. YOU WANT TO SWAP PARKS AND LIBRARIES? LIBRARIES. YEAH. SCHIMELPFENIG. OKAY.
AND SO WOULD BE A THROUGH G. A THROUGH G IS WHAT IT'LL END UP BEING OR SOMETHING IN THAT.
I HEARD 342 ON STREETS, WHICH I THOUGHT, I THOUGHT THAT WAS THE NUMBER WE STARTED WITH TONIGHT.
AND THEN WE TOOK OUT DOWNTOWN RIGHT OF WAY. AND I THOUGHT SCREENING WALLS. AND YOU'RE CORRECT.
YOU DID. WE, WE'RE JUST TRYING TO CATEGORIZE.
OH, OKAY. I THOUGHT WE WERE SAYING THAT WAS THE NUMBER WE WERE STICKING WITH. YOU'RE RIGHT. SO WE'LL GET WE'LL GET THE RIGHT THE NUMBER. YOU'RE RIGHT. BUT BASICALLY THE PROPOSITION. SO WE'LL GET THE NUMBERS CORRECT.
BUT THE PROPOSITIONS WILL BE A IS STREETS, B IS THE POLICE HEADQUARTERS AND PUBLIC SAFETY COMMUNICATIONS C IS THE POLICE TRAINING CENTER, D IS PUBLIC SAFETY OTHER PUBLIC SAFETY FACILITIES.
SO IT'S GOING TO BE OKAY. YEAH E WOULD BE THE PARKWAY FLEET BUILDING, F WOULD BE SCHIMELPFENIG LIBRARY AND THEN G WOULD BE PARKS. AND I THINK WE HAVE EVERYTHING COVERED AT THAT POINT.
AND WE CAN BE MORE DESCRIPTIVE IF NEED BE. WE'LL GET BOB'S RECOMMENDATION ON THAT.
WE'LL GET IT OUT TO YOU ALL AHEAD OF TIME. OKAY. ARE YOU ALL COMFORTABLE WITH THAT,
Y'ALL COMFORTABLE WITH THAT ORDER? OKAY, GOOD. THANK YOU. OKAY.
* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.