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WELCOME TO THE NOVEMBER 18TH, 2024 PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION.
I'LL CALL THE MEETING TO ORDER AT 7:00 PM.
IF EVERYBODY WOULD PLEASE RISE AND JOIN ME IN THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE.
[CONSENT AGENDA]
CONSENT AGENDA WILL BE ACTED UPON IN ONE MOTION AND CONTAINS ITEMS THAT ARE ROUTINE AND TYPICALLY NONCONTROVERSIAL.ITEMS MAY BE REMOVED FROM THIS AGENDA FOR INDIVIDUAL CONSIDERATION BY COMMISSIONERS OR STAFF.
IS THERE ANY COMMISSIONER THAT WOULD LIKE TO PULL AN ITEM FROM THE CONSENT AGENDA? SEEING NONE, IS THERE A MOTION? MR. CHAIRMAN? YES.
I MOVE THAT WE APPROVE THE CONSENT AGENDA AS PRESENTED BY STAFF.
I SECOND. MOTION BY COMMISSIONER BROUNOFF, SECONDED BY COMMISSIONER LINGENFELTER.
ALL IN FAVOR, PLEASE RAISE YOUR HANDS.
WHAT ARE WE EIGHT TO NOTHING TONIGHT? EIGHT TO NOTHING, ALL RIGHT.
ITEMS FOR INDIVIDUAL CONSIDERATION.
ITEMS FOR INDIVIDUAL CONSIDERATION.
THE PRESIDING OFFICER MAY MODIFY THESE TIMES AS DEEMED NECESSARY.
ADMINISTRATIVE CONSIDERATION ITEMS MUST BE APPROVED IF THEY MEET CITY DEVELOPMENT REGULATIONS.
[1. (DW) Public Hearing – Preliminary Replat: Plano East Senior High School Addition, Block 1, Lot 1R – Public school on one lot on 67.1 acres located at the northeast corner of Los Rios Boulevard and Merriman Drive. Zoned Estate Development. Project #PR2024- 031. Applicant: Plano Independent School District. (Request to withdraw)]
PRELIMINARY REPLAT.PLANO EAST SENIOR HIGH SCHOOL EDITION, BLOCK ONE, LOT ONE R.
ZONED ESTATE DEVELOPMENT, APPLICANT IS PLANO INDEPENDENT SCHOOL DISTRICT.
MY NAME IS MOLLY CORYELL, SENIOR PLANNER WITH THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT.
THIS IS A PRELIMINARY REPLAT FOR THE PLANO EAST SENIOR HIGH EDITION BLOCK ONE, LOT ONE.
ARE THE VARIANCES NECESSARY TO CONSTRUCT THE TENNIS COURTS WERE DENIED BY THE BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT.
SO THEREFORE THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING TO WITHDRAW THE PRELIMINARY REPLAT REQUEST.
STAFF RECOMMENDS TO ACCEPT THE APPLICANT'S REQUEST TO WITHDRAW.
I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.
HAVE ANY TECHNICAL QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? COMMISSIONER OLLEY. JUST TO REMIND US HOW MANY VARIANCES DID THEY HAVE BEFORE THE BOARD? AND COULD YOU REMIND US WHAT THOSE WERE? THERE WERE THREE VARIANCES.
ONE FOR THE REDUCING THE REQUIRED SETBACK FOR THE BLEACHERS.
THE OTHER WAS A PARKING REDUCTION.
AND THEN THE THIRD ONE, COULD YOU REMIND ME, MIKE? THE FENCES. THAT'S CORRECT.
FENCES. AND THE BOARD DENIED ALL THREE.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? ALL RIGHT. I'M BEING TOLD THAT BECAUSE IT'S BEING WITHDRAWN, I DO NOT HAVE TO HOLD THE PUBLIC HEARING.
SO DOES ANYBODY CARE TO MAKE A MOTION? COMMISSIONER, I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE APPLICANT'S REQUEST FOR WITHDRAWAL.
SECOND. SECOND BY THE MOTION BY COMMISSIONER ALALI.
SECOND BY COMMISSIONER BINDER.
ALL IN FAVOR, PLEASE RAISE YOUR HAND.
ANY OPPOSED? MOTION PASSES 8 TO 0.
[Items 2A & 2B]
AGENDA ITEM NUMBER TWO A AND 2B2, A PUBLIC HEARING.REQUEST FOR A SPECIFIC USE PERMIT FOR ELECTRICAL SUBSTATION ON 0.2 ACRE.
LOCATED 101,370FT EAST OF JUPITER ROAD AND 1065FT SOUTH OF PLANO PARKWAY.
PETITIONER IS ONCOR ELECTRIC DELIVERY COMPANY.
THIS ITEM IS FOR LEGISLATIVE CONSIDERATION.
AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 2B, PUBLIC HEARING PRELIMINARY SITE PLAN.
ONCOR CLOUD STATION, BLOCK A LOT.
ONE ELECTRICAL SUBSTATION ON ONE LOT ON 9.7 ACRES, LOCATED ON THE EAST SIDE OF JUPITER ROAD, 215FT NORTH OF STATE HIGHWAY 190.
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APPLICANT IS ONCOR ELECTRIC DELIVERY COMPANY.THIS ITEM IS FOR ADMINISTRATIVE CONSIDERATION PENDING.
AGENDA ITEM NUMBER TWO A THANK YOU.
MOLLY CORYELL, SENIOR PLANNER WITH THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT.
HERE IS THE ZONING EXHIBIT SHOWING THE SCP AREA, WHICH IS 0.2 ACRES.
AND HERE IS THE PRELIMINARY SITE PLAN SHOWING THE ENTIRETY OF THE SUBJECT PROPERTY.
TWO CONSIDERATIONS WITH THIS REQUEST INCLUDE THE ASSOCIATED DATA CENTER USE, WHICH HAS A PRIVATE SUBSTATION THAT IS ALLOWED BY A SPECIFIC USE PERMIT, WHICH WAS APPROVED IN SEPTEMBER 2024 OF THIS YEAR.
THE PROPOSED SUBSTATION WILL HELP PROVIDE A PERMANENT POWER ROUTE TO THE DATA CENTER, WHICH YOU CAN SEE ON THIS GRAPHIC SHOWN IN YELLOW, AND REPLACING THE TEMPORARY POWER ROUTE SHOWN ON THE GRAPHIC IN PURPLE, WHICH IS NORTH EAST TO THE SPECIFIC USE PERMIT. 75 DATA CENTER.
THE SUBJECT PROPERTY IS DESIGNATED EMPLOYMENT CENTERS ON THE FUTURE LAND USE MAP, AND A SUBSTATION COULD SUPPORT A VARIETY OF NONRESIDENTIAL USES, INCLUDING CORPORATE OFFICE CAMPUSES, MEDICAL CENTERS AND TECHNOLOGY CENTERS.
THE ASSOCIATED PLAN SHOWS THE SUBSTATION IS INTENDED TO SUPPORT A DATA CENTER.
OTHERWISE, NO RESPONSES WERE RECEIVED AS YOU CAN SEE ON THE CITY-WIDE MAP.
STAFF IS RECOMMENDING APPROVAL AS SUBMITTED WITH THE FOLLOWING STEP STIPULATION FOR ITEM TWO A, AND THAT WOULD BE FOR THE MASONRY SCREENING WALL AT LEAST EIGHT FEET IN HEIGHT, TO BE PROVIDED TO SCREEN THE ELECTRICAL SUBSTATION AREA.
AND THEN IN THE FUTURE, THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION APPROVAL OF A SUBDIVISION ORDINANCE VARIANCE FOR NO DIRECT POINT OF ACCESS AT THE TIME OF PLAT WHEN IT IS HEARD AT A FUTURE DATE AND THEN THE BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT GRANTING A VARIANCE.
BASICALLY SO THAT IN NO SOLID WASTE CONTAINER ENCLOSURE NEED TO BE PROVIDED ON THE SITE.
I'D BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.
ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE STAFF? COMMISSIONER OLLEY.
OKAY. THE RESPONSE WITHIN 200FT.
THAT MUST HAVE BEEN A BUSINESS, RIGHT? YES. OKAY JUST A QUESTION ON THE MASONRY WALL.
I PRESUME THAT'S GOING TO GO AROUND THE FULL SUBSTATION.
IT'S KIND OF LIKE THE DOTTED LINE AROUND THE PERIMETER AND THE PRIMARY REASON FOR THE WALL.
BUT BECAUSE THIS IS FAR FROM ANY RESIDENTIAL, IT IS MORE SECURITY BASED.
SO, THERE IS AN ESTHETIC REASON FOR SCREENING THE ELECTRICAL SUBSTATION FROM SURROUNDING BUSINESSES.
OTHER QUESTIONS FROM THE COMMISSION? YES, COMMISSIONER. LOLLY.
SO ON THIS SITE PLAN, IT SHOWS THAT THERE IS A FIRE LANE GOING TO THE SUBSTATION.
RIGHT. BUT A OH FIRE LANE? NO, IT'S JUST A DRIVEWAY.
JUST A DRIVEWAY. SO YOU'RE LIKE, WHAT IF SOMETHING HAPPENS? LIKE, IS THERE LIKE A REQUIREMENT AT LEAST YOU'D LIKE TO ACCESS THIS SUBSTATION? SO FORGIVE ME FOR NOT KNOWING ALL THE DETAILS, BUT IN MY LIMITED KNOWLEDGE, I THINK THEY HAVE THEIR OWN SYSTEMS TO FIGHT FIRES.
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PREVENTION. OKAY.AND CAN I HAVE ANOTHER QUESTION ALSO IS THIS SUBSTATION IS GOING TO SERVICE ONLY THE DATA CENTER THAT WE APPROVED LIKE A COUPLE MEETINGS AGO? OR IS IT LIKE GOING TO SERVICE A LOT OF OTHER BUSINESSES BASICALLY.
I MEAN, LIKE BECAUSE WHEN WE APPROVED IT THEY WERE GOING TO CONNECT TO THE MAIN WITHOUT HAVING TO DO THE SUBSTATION, RIGHT? I THINK THE APPLICANT CAN ANSWER THAT QUESTION.
TO OUR KNOWLEDGE, THIS IS ONLY SERVING THE SUBSTATION.
THANK YOU. I'LL OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING.
DO WE HAVE ANY SPEAKERS? WE HAVE THREE REGISTERED SPEAKERS FOR BOTH TWO A AND TWO B.
THERE, ALL THREE APPLICANTS AVAILABLE FOR QUESTIONS.
AND WE ALSO RECEIVED FOR TWO A AND 2 B3.
OKAY. DOES ANYBODY HAVE QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT.
YEAH I HAD A COUPLE I GUESS THE SITE PLAN IS GREAT.
I WISH WE HAD THAT IN OUR PACKET ORIGINALLY, BUT HANG ON, LET ME SEE IF ONE OF THE APPLICANTS WANT TO COME FORWARD AND INTRODUCE THEMSELVES SO WE CAN ANSWER SOME QUESTIONS FOR US. GOOD EVENING. COMMISSION. MY NAME IS ASHTON MILLER.
I'M WITH SIDING SPECIALIST WITH ONCOR, 777 MAIN STREET IN FORT WORTH, TEXAS.
HOWEVER, IT DOES CONNECT INTO THE OVERALL GRID, SO IT PROVIDES RELIABILITY FOR THE OVERALL SYSTEM AS WELL AS SERVING THE DATA CENTER. OKAY THEN.
SO YEAH, THAT'S WHAT I WAS WANTING TO FIND OUT IS IF THERE WAS A I WAS I HAD THE SAME COUPLE OF QUESTIONS COMMISSIONER OLLEY HAD WITH, WITH THE SCREENING. IS IT I ASSUME IT IS JUST SIMPLY ESTHETICS.
BUT DO YOU DO YOU GUYS HAPPEN TO HAVE AN ELEVATION OR WHAT IT MIGHT LOOK LIKE OR SOME EXAMPLES? YEAH, WE CAN PROVIDE A ELEVATION OF THAT MASONRY SCREENING WALL, BUT IT'LL BE JUST YOUR STANDARD BRICK SCREENING WALL THAT'S EIGHT FEET TALL. OKAY.
OKAY. AND THEN THE OTHER WAS I JUST CURIOSITY IF IT WAS JUST SIMPLY DESIGNED FOR THE ONE DATA CENTER, OR YOU ACTUALLY PUT IN SOME EXPANDABILITY TO IT.
YEAH. SO IT DOES CONNECT INTO THE OVERALL GRID AS WELL AS SERVE AND PROVIDE ELECTRICITY AND EVERYTHING THAT THEY NEED FOR THE DATA CENTER. OKAY.
OTHER QUESTIONS? MR. BRONSKY. SO I WAS WONDERING IF YOU COULD TALK A LITTLE BIT TO US ABOUT WHAT COMMISSIONER OLLEY BROUGHT UP RELATED TO FIRE SUPPRESSION AND THE RESPONSES OR THE EXPECTATIONS OF RESPONSES FROM OUR FIRE DEPARTMENT? SURE. YEAH. SO IF THE SUBSTATION WERE TO CATCH ON FIRE, WHAT WE WOULD DO AT THAT POINT IS WE WOULD DE-ENERGIZE THE STATION AND WE OBVIOUSLY WE WOULDN'T FIGHT AN ELECTRICAL SUBSTATION WITH WATER.
SO THOSE ESSENTIALLY WOULD JUST BURN OUT AFTER WE DE-ENERGIZE THE STATION AND THEN WE WOULD.
IF THERE WERE A FIRE AS WELL AND SOMEBODY WAS AT THE STATION, YOU KNOW THOSE.
THE ACCESS ROAD WILL BE GATED.
AND SO AT THAT POINT, ONCE ENCORE PERSONNEL COMES.
COMES ON SITE, THEN WE WILL ALLOW THE EMERGENCY RESPONSE TEAM TO ALSO COME INTO THE STATION.
SO ARE YOU EXPECTING OUR FIRE DEPARTMENT TO FIGHT THE FIRE IF THE FIRE OCCURS AND THEY'RE SHOWING UP, OR ARE YOU JUST EXPECTING THEM TO CARE FOR THE PEOPLE THAT ARE THERE? IT'S PRIMARILY TO CARE FOR IF ANYBODY IS THERE ON SITE.
OKAY. YEAH, THAT'S I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE I UNDERSTOOD THAT VERY CLEARLY I DIDN'T.
THANK YOU. YES, SIR. YOU'RE WELCOME.
YES, WE DO. WE CAN DE-ENERGIZE IT REMOTELY.
ALL RIGHT. OTHER QUESTIONS OF THE APPLICANT.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THANK YOU ALL FOR YOUR TIME.
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THERE ARE NONE. OKAY.WE'LL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING.
ANY CONSIDERATION BY THE COMMISSION PREPARED TO MAKE A MOTION.
GO AHEAD. I KNOW, COMMISSIONER OLLEY, DID YOU HAVE SOMETHING TO SAY? I MOVE, WE APPROVE AGENDA ITEM NUMBER TWO.
AGENDA ITEM NUMBER TWO A, AS RECOMMENDED BY STAFF.
SECOND. SECOND BY COMMISSIONER TONG.
ALL RIGHT. MOTION BY COMMISSIONER OLLEY.
SECOND BY COMMISSIONER TONG IS FOR TWO A, FOR TWO A.
I MOVE, WE APPROVE AGENDA ITEM NUMBER TWO B.
SUBJECT TO APPROVAL OF TWO A BY CITY COUNCIL, AS RECOMMENDED BY STAFF.
SECOND. MOTION BY COMMISSIONER OLLEY.
SECOND BY COMMISSIONER BRONSKY.
ANY OPPOSED? MOTION PASSES 8 TO 0.
[3. (RP) Replat: 544 Golf Training Facility Addition, Block A, Lots 1R & 2 – Health/fitness center and transportation and utility structures/facilities on two lots on 35.5 acres located on the north side of 14th Street, 500 feet east of Los Rios Boulevard. Zoned Planned Development-82-Neighborhood Office with Specific Use Permit No. 375 for Private Club. Project #R2024-039. Applicant: North Texas Municipal Water District and 4401 PIT, LLC. (Legislative consideration of subdivision ordinance variances)]
ITEMS FOR INDIVIDUAL CONSIDERATION.NON PUBLIC HEARING ITEMS. THE PRESIDING OFFICER WILL PERMIT LIMITED PUBLIC COMMENT FOR ITEMS ON THE AGENDA NOT POSTED FOR A PUBLIC HEARING.
THE PRESIDING OFFICER WILL ESTABLISH TIME LIMITS BASED UPON THE NUMBER OF SPEAKER REQUESTS, LENGTH OF THE AGENDA AND TO ENSURE MEETING EFFICIENCY, AND MAY INCLUDE A TOTAL TIME LIMIT. AGENDA ITEM NUMBER THREE, REPLAT 544 GOLF TRAINING FACILITY ADDITIONS BLOCK A, LOTS ONE R AND TWO HEALTH FITNESS CENTER AND TRANSPORTATION AND UTILITY STRUCTURES.
ZONED PLANNED DEVELOPMENT, 82 NEIGHBORHOOD OFFICE WITH SPECIFIC USE PERMIT NUMBER 375 FOR PRIVATE CLUB APPLICANTS, NORTH TEXAS MUNICIPAL WATER DISTRICT AND 4401 PIT, LLC.
THIS ITEM IS FOR LEGISLATIVE CONSIDERATION OF SUBDIVISION ORDINANCE VARIANCES.
THANK YOU. THIS IS A REPLAT FOR THE 544 GOLF TRAINING FACILITY EDITION.
THE PURPOSE OF THIS REPLAT IS TO SUBDIVIDE THE PROPERTY INTO TWO LOTS.
LOT ONE R IS DEVELOPED WITH A HEALTH FITNESS CENTER WHICH WILL REMAIN ON THE SITE.
THE FIRST IS A VARIANCE WITH NO DIRECT FRONTAGE ON A PUBLIC STREET.
THESE VARIANCES WILL NO LONGER BE REQUIRED.
THE CRITERIA FOR CONSIDERING A VARIANCE FROM ACCESS ARE SHOWN HERE.
BECAUSE THE VARIANCES ARE INTENDED TO BE TEMPORARY AND WILL NO LONGER BE REQUIRED WITH STEP TWO, STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL WITH THIS REQUEST SUBJECT TO SUBSECTION 5.2.C.4A TO ALLOW FOR A SINGLE POINT OF ACCESS FOR A NONRESIDENTIAL LOT, AND SUBSECTION 5.2.C.
3A TO WAIVE THE FRONTAGE REQUIREMENT ALONG A TYPE D OR LOWER STREET.
THANK YOU, AND I'D BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.
COMMISSION, ANY TECHNICAL QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? COMMISSIONER TONG.
MY QUESTION. I'M NOT SAYING THEY WOULD.
I'M JUST SAYING IF THERE'S ANY PROCEDURE THAT OUR CITY HAS.
WHAT IF THEY DON'T COMBINE THE LOTS AND DO OTHER THINGS? WE HAVE GRANTED THE VARIANCE.
WHAT WOULD THEY DO WITH THE LOT IN THE FUTURE? IS THERE ANY REQUIREMENTS FROM THE CITY SIDE SAYING THAT YOU HAVE TO DO THAT?
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IF YOU DON'T DO THIS, WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN? YES. SO THERE'S STILL A SITE PLAN AND PERMITTING PHASES THEY'VE GOT TO GO THROUGH.SO THEY'RE PLANNING TO BUILD AN OFFICE ON THIS LOT.
BUT IF THAT REST OF THAT PROCESS DOESN'T PLAY OUT, THIS LAND STILL MAINTAINS THAT.
AND SO I GUESS MY QUESTION IS, IS THERE ANY WAY THAT WE HAVE AND THIS IS PROBABLY LEGAL OR SOMETHING THAT WE HAVE THE RIGHT TO GRANT A TEMPORARY STATUS FOR THIS VARIANCE, OR TO HAVE SOME SORT OF LINKAGE TO SAY THAT WE'RE GOING TO SEE THIS THROUGH TO COMPLETION TIME LIMIT.
YEAH. I WAS THINKING LIKE A TIME LIMIT BETWEEN STEP ONE AND STEP TWO.
AND SO THERE IS NO WAY TO MAKE IT TEMPORARY.
SO THIS, WHILE NOT IDEAL WE DO BELIEVE THAT IN THE LONG RUN THAT THE ULTIMATE LOT DESIGN THAT YOU SEE IN YELLOW WILL NOT REQUIRE THE VARIANCES AND ULTIMATELY WILL NULLIFY THE VARIANCES IF APPROVED TONIGHT.
SO I REALLY DO APPRECIATE THAT.
BUT I THINK WE DO NEED TO BE SERIOUS ABOUT UNDERSTANDING EXACTLY AS YOU SAID, IF THEY FOR SOME REASON DON'T GO THROUGH WITH IT, THEN WE ARE STUCK WITH THIS PIECE OF PARCEL THAT HAS ALL THESE VARIANCES ON IT.
SO, MR. BELL, DO THEY WILL THEY HAVE TO BRING A SITE PLAN BACK THROUGH PLANNING AND ZONING? THAT'S CORRECT. OKAY.
SO IF IT COMES BACK, IF IT COMES BACK, SO IT WON'T, IT CAN'T BE BUILT WITHOUT COMING BACK TO US.
IS THAT CORRECT? THAT'S CORRECT.
I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE WE WERE VERY CLEAR ON WHAT WE WERE DOING AND THE STEPS.
I REALLY WISH THERE WAS A WAY THAT WE WOULD HAVE BEEN ABLE TO MAKE IT A LITTLE CLEANER.
BUT I APPRECIATE THE CITY'S EFFORT IN MAKING IT AS EASY AND CLEAN AS POSSIBLE.
I ALSO JUST WANT TO CLARIFY IF, WORST CASE SCENARIO, THERE IS PROVISIONS IN THE SUBDIVISION ORDINANCE TO VACATE A PLAT WITHOUT THE, YOU KNOW, ON THE COMMISSION'S OWN ACTION. SO WORST CASE SCENARIO, THERE IS A PROCEDURE AT LEAST TO DO THAT.
MR. BELLE, WHEN I, WHEN A CLIENT LIKE THIS COMES TO THE CITY, WHEN A CLIENT LIKE THIS COMES TO THE CITY AND THEY'RE DISCUSSING THIS WITH STAFF, STAFF MANY TIMES WILL RECOMMEND AN AVENUE THAT THEY PURSUE.
HOWEVER, THE WATER DISTRICT HAS ITS OWN METHODS OF ACQUIRING PROPERTY.
AND SO THE PROPERTY HAS ALREADY BEEN PURCHASED.
SO WE HAVE TWO DIFFERENT OWNERS.
WE HAVE THE PARCELS AS THEY ARE NOW.
I HAVE A QUESTION. IT SAYS CONVEYANCE PLAT.
SO THEY ARE THEY HAVEN'T PURCHASED IT RIGHT.
OR DID THEY PURCHASE IT ALREADY, SO IT'S THEIRS.
THEY HAVE PURCHASED WHAT IS SHOWN AS LOT TWO ON THE MAP ON THE LEFT.
THAT IS WHAT THEY. AND THEN THEY ALREADY OWN THE PROPERTY ALONG LOS RIOS SHOWN IN YELLOW.
SO WHAT THEY'RE GOING TO BE DOING IS, IS SPLITTING OFF LOT TWO FROM THE GOLF FACILITY AND THEN RECONFIGURING THE LOT LINES BETWEEN WHAT THEY DO OWN ALONG LOS RIOS, SO THAT THAT LITTLE FLAG LOT WITH THE POLE, THEY WILL HAVE DIRECT ACCESS ALONG 14TH STREET IN THE ULTIMATE CONFIGURATION.
BUT THE ONLY, SO THEY DO OWN THE LAND NOW, THEY DO.
ANYBODY? OKAY. THIS IS NOT A PUBLIC HEARING, BUT DO WE HAVE ANY SPEAKERS OR THE APPLICANT? THERE ARE NONE.
COMMISSION, PREPARE TO MAKE A MOTION, MR. CHAIRMAN, THAT WE APPROVE.
ITEM THREE AS SUBMITTED BY STAFF.
ALL RIGHT. COMMISSIONER BENDER SECONDS.
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EVERYBODY, SECONDS.WE HAVE A MOTION BY COMMISSIONER BROUNOFF AND A SECOND BY COMMISSIONER BENDER.
ALL IN FAVOR, RAISE YOUR HAND.
ANY OPPOSED? MOTION PASSES 8 TO 0.
[4. (JA) Discussion and Action – Work Session & Call for Public Hearing: Request to provide direction and call a public hearing to consider adopting the Silver Line Station Areas Plan, a long-range planning policy for the 12th Street and Shiloh Road station areas. Project #CPH2024-010. Applicant: City of Plano. (Legislative consideration)]
AGENDA ITEM NUMBER FOUR, DISCUSSION AND ACTION.WORK SESSION AND CALL FOR PUBLIC HEARING.
REQUEST TO PROVIDE DIRECTION AND A CALL A PUBLIC HEARING TO CONSIDER ADOPTING THE SILVER LINE STATION AREAS PLAN, A LONG RANGE PLANNING POLICY FOR THE 12TH STREET AND SHILOH ROAD STATION AREAS.
THIS ITEM IS FOR LEGISLATIVE CONSIDERATION.
GOOD EVENING. MY NAME IS JASON APRILL, SENIOR MOBILITY PLANNER.
THE SILVER LINE STATION AREAS PLAN WAS LAST DISCUSSED WITH THE COMMISSION IN MARCH.
THE DRAFT PLAN IS AVAILABLE FOR PUBLIC REVIEW ON THE PROJECT WEBSITE.
MAJOR OUTREACH EFFORTS INCLUDED A THREE DAY DESIGN CHARRETTE, AN ONLINE PUBLIC SURVEY TO GATHER COMMUNITY INPUT, AND A COMMUNITY OPEN HOUSE TO REVIEW DRAFT STRATEGIES BEFORE DEVELOPING THE FINAL PLAN DOCUMENT.
AND FINALLY, THE PLAN SERVES AS A SPECIAL AREA PLAN IN LINE WITH LAND USE POLICY ACTION SIX.
SMALL AREA PLANS ARE CONSIDERED AN EXTENSION OF THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, AND MAY BE USED TO FURTHER REFINE THE COMMUNITY'S VISION FOR SPECIFIC LOCATIONS WITHIN THE CITY OF PLANO.
SIMILARLY, SIMILAR TO HOW ENVISION OAK POINT PROVIDES A MORE DETAILED VISION FOR ITS PLAN AREA, THIS PLAN WILL PROVIDE MORE SPECIFIC DIRECTION COMPARED TO THE CURRENT FUTURE LAND USE CATEGORIES.
THE PLAN WILL BE USED IN THREE MAIN WAYS.
FIRST, TO EVALUATE PROPOSED ZONING CHANGE AND DEVELOPMENT REQUESTS, INCLUDING UPDATES TO THE ZONING ORDINANCE AND THEIR ALIGNMENT WITH THE LONG TERM GOALS FOR THE STATION AREAS. SECOND, TO CONSIDER SERVICES, PROGRAMS, OR FURTHER STUDIES THAT MAY BE NEEDED TO ADVANCE THE VISION FOR THE STATION AREAS.
PLAN GOALS ARE BROAD GOALS FOR EACH STATION AREA THAT EMERGE FROM A SERIES OF STAKEHOLDER VISITING SESSIONS, PUBLIC SURVEY RESPONSES, AND ASSESSMENTS OF MARKET AND ECONOMIC TRENDS.
THE PLAN GOALS THEMSELVES PROVIDE A SORT OF NORTH STAR FOR HOW THE STATION AREA SHOULD DEVELOP.
THE VISION MAPS GUIDE THE PHYSICAL TRANSFORMATION OF THE STATION AREAS.
FUTURE LAND USE, TRANSPORTATION AND OPEN SPACE AND CHARACTER IMPROVEMENTS ARE INCLUDED ON THE MAPS.
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THE RECOMMENDATIONS AND STRATEGIES COMPONENT PROVIDES ACHIEVABLE PRIORITIES THAT SUPPORT THE VISION, MAPS AND PLAN GOALS FOR EACH STATION AREA.STAFF HAS IDENTIFIED THREE POLICY TOPICS FOR WHICH WE ASK DIRECTION TODAY FROM THE COMMISSION.
ON THE NEXT FEW SLIDES, I'LL PROVIDE MORE DETAILS ON THESE POINTS THAT WE SEEK.
DIRECTION. THE FIRST PLAN TOPIC TO HIGHLIGHT TONIGHT IS THE MORE DETAILED LAND USE GUIDANCE FOUND WITHIN THE PLAN, AS COMPARED TO THE FUTURE LAND USE CATEGORIES OF THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
THE FUTURE LAND USE MAP DETERMINES APPROPRIATE LOCATIONS FOR FUTURE LAND USES.
THE CATEGORIES ADDRESS LARGE PORTIONS OF THE CITY AND PROVIDE GUIDANCE FOR NEW DEVELOPMENT AND REDEVELOPMENT, AND OUTLINE THE TYPICAL MIX OF LAND USES AND DESIGN CHARACTERISTICS TO CREATE DISTINCT AREAS IN THE CITY.
SMALL AREAS PROVIDE AN OPPORTUNITY TO REFINE THE COMMUNITY'S VISION FOR SPECIFIC LOCATIONS WITHIN THE CITY, BASED ON FOCUSED PUBLIC OUTREACH AND CONSIDERATION OF LOCAL DEVELOPMENT CONDITIONS.
RECOMMENDATIONS IN THE PLAN ARE TAILORED TO THE UNIQUE OPPORTUNITIES AND GOALS OF THE STATION AREAS.
THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, SPECIFICALLY THE DOWNTOWN CORRIDORS CATEGORY, PROVIDES BROAD GUIDANCE FOR UP TO FIVE STORIES THROUGHOUT THE CORRIDOR, WHEREAS THE 12TH STREET STATION AREA LAND USE VISION, WHICH IS IN THE IMAGE ON THE RIGHT, TAKES A MORE PRECISE APPROACH BY ESTABLISHING DISTINCT HEIGHT GUIDANCE FOR EACH OF THE SEVEN DEVELOPMENT TYPES THAT ARE WITHIN THE 12TH STREET STATION AREA.
ADDITIONALLY, THE LAND USE VISION AND EXCUSE ME, INTRODUCES A TARGETED HEIGHT BONUS, ALLOWING FOR AN ADDITIONAL THREE STORIES, BUT ONLY IN THE TRANSIT CENTER. MIXED USE, AND I'LL TOUCH ON THIS PIECE FURTHER LATER IN THE PRESENTATION.
ANOTHER EXAMPLE IS THE GUIDANCE FOR THE PROPERTIES IMMEDIATELY NORTH OF THE SHILOH ROAD STATION.
SO NOW WE'RE CENTERED ON THE SHILOH ROAD STATION AREA.
HOWEVER, THE PLAN THE SILVER LINE STATION AREAS PLAN RECOGNIZES THE OPPORTUNITY FOR MORE TRANSIT ORIENTED DEVELOPMENT PATTERN CLOSER TO THE STATION, AND RECOMMENDS A TARGET AREA OF MIXED USE DEVELOPMENT THAT THE PLAN IS CALLING THE MIXED USE ACTIVITY HUB.
AND AGAIN, THAT'S ON THE IMAGE ON THE RIGHT.
THE SECOND PLAN TOPIC TO HIGHLIGHT INCLUDES RESIDENTIAL ADJACENCY TRANSITIONS.
THE SILVER LINE STATION AREA PLAN PRIORITIZES APPROPRIATE TRANSITIONS BETWEEN ESTABLISHED RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOODS, BETWEEN NEW MIXED USE AREAS, AND BETWEEN HIGHER INTENSITY COMMERCIAL AREAS.
THIS TRANSITION CONCEPT IS DIRECTLY IN RESPONSE TO PUBLIC COMMENTS THAT WE HEARD DURING COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT TO BUFFER ESTABLISHED NEIGHBORHOODS, WHILE SUPPORTING GROWTH OVERALL TO BUFFER THE DOUGLAS COMMUNITY FOR EXAMPLE, A THREE STORY MAXIMUM HEIGHT TRANSITION AREA IS RECOMMENDED TO THE ADJACENT MIXED JUICE.
AND THEN IN ADDITION, THE TRANSITIONAL MIXED USE DEVELOPMENT TYPE IS RECOMMENDED TO CREATE A COMPATIBLE DEVELOPMENT TRANSITION FOR MIXED USE AREAS THAT ARE FURTHER OR FARTHER FROM THE TRANSIT STATION CORE.
SO YOU CAN SEE THE EVOLVING INDUSTRY IS IN THAT REDDISH PURPLE COLOR.
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IN THE SHILOH ROAD STATION AREA.THE RESIDENTIAL TRANSITION TWO STORY.
THE TOP IMAGE AND THE RESIDENTIAL TRANSITION FOUR STORY.
THE BOTTOM IMAGE ARE RECOMMENDED TO PROVIDE HEIGHT GRADATIONS, SUPPORT TALLER BUILDINGS NEARER THE STATION, WHILE PRESERVING THE CHARACTER OF ADJACENT RESIDENTIAL AREAS WITH A TWO STORY RESIDENTIAL BUFFER.
THE TRANSIT CENTER MIXED USE DEVELOPMENT TYPE ENCOURAGES A MID-RISE SCALE UP TO FIVE STORIES, WITH A DENSITY BONUS OPTION TO EXTEND UP TO EIGHT STORIES. THIS DENSITY BONUS IS INTENDED TO INCENTIVIZE PROJECTS THAT CAN PROVIDE A SIGNIFICANT COMMUNITY BENEFIT, SUCH AS AFFORDABLE HOUSING UNITS, PUBLIC PARKING STRUCTURES, OR OTHER ENHANCED DESIGN FEATURES THAT ELEVATE THE STATION AREA.
THIS EIGHT STORY HEIGHT RECOMMENDATION DOES DIVERGE FROM THE CURRENT COMPREHENSIVE PLAN DOWNTOWN CORRIDOR'S HEIGHT MAXIMUM, WHICH HAS A HEIGHT MAXIMUM RECOMMENDATION OF FIVE STORIES. HOWEVER, THE DOWNTOWN CORRIDOR'S DESIGNATION ALSO ENCOURAGES AND SUPPORTS A HIGHER MAXIMUM DENSITY IN TOD AREAS WITHIN A QUARTER MILE OF A STATION, SO THAT WOULD BE THE TRANSIT CENTER MIXED USE AS WELL.
THE TRANSIT CENTER MIXED USE IS SHOWN IN LIGHT BLUE.
THE PLAN IS THE CULMINATION OF SEVERAL EXCUSE ME YEARS OF RESEARCH, ANALYSIS, AND PUBLIC INPUT TO CREATE A DOCUMENT THAT WILL SERVE THE COMMUNITY IN THESE AREAS AND PROVIDE GUIDANCE FOR FUTURE DEVELOPMENT.
AFTER RECEIVING FEEDBACK FROM THE COMMISSION TONIGHT, STAFF PLANS TO MAKE RECOMMENDED CHANGES AND, IF APPLICABLE, BRING THE PLAN BACK TO THE COMMISSION FOR CONSIDERATION IN A PUBLIC HEARING.
SO STAFF RECOMMENDS THAT THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION FIRST PROVIDE DIRECTION REGARDING THE PRESENTED TOPICS, AND SECOND, CALL A PUBLIC HEARING TO CONSIDER THE ADOPTION OF THE SILVER LINE STATION AREAS PLAN.
SO IN CLOSING, THE THREE TOPICS, THE THREE TOPIC QUESTIONS THAT WE HAVE ARE PRESENTED ON THIS SLIDE.
SO I'D BE HAPPY TO TAKE YOUR COMMENTS AND YOUR QUESTIONS.
I'M GOING TO LEAD OFF ON THIS ONE JUST BECAUSE I HAD THE OPPORTUNITY, ALONG WITH FORMER COMMISSIONER CARY, TO SERVE ON THIS TASK FORCE AND ATTEND WHAT FELT LIKE A LOT OF MEETINGS. BUT I WILL TELL YOU THAT THE STAFF AND THE CONSULTANTS DID AN INCREDIBLE JOB OF REACHING OUT TO STAKEHOLDERS, LISTENING TO STAKEHOLDERS.
A LOT OF THE MODIFICATIONS THAT YOU SEE WERE AS A RESULT OF INPUT.
SPECIFICALLY THE ONES RELATED TO THE DOUGLAS COMMUNITY.
THERE WAS A LOT OF A LOT OF GIVE AND TAKE WITH THE DOUGLAS COMMUNITY.
AND SO THE COMMITTEE WORKED A LOT OF HOURS WITH STAKEHOLDERS FROM ALL SECTORS LOOKING AT HOW THIS WOULD BENEFIT DOWNTOWN, HOW IT WOULD EXTEND THE TRANSIT ORIENTED AREA.
AND, AND KUDOS TO THE STAFF AND THE CONSULTING TEAM.
THEY BROUGHT A PLAN TOGETHER THAT I THINK ADDRESSED ALL OF THE CONCERNS OF THE TASK FORCE AND, AND A DOCUMENT THAT THE TASK FORCE BELIEVED WAS A GOOD PLAN FOR DOWNTOWN. SO NOT TO SAY WE DON'T HAVE SOME COMMENTS FOR YOU, BUT FROM MY PERSPECTIVE, IT'S A WELL DONE DOCUMENT AND VERY WELL THOUGHT OUT.
SO THANK YOU ALL FOR THAT EFFORT.
SO I'LL OPEN IT UP TO THE COMMISSION.
ANYBODY QUESTIONS. COMMISSIONER TONG.
THANK YOU, CHAIRMAN. I WANT TO ECHO THAT IT LOOKS LIKE A GREAT PLAN.
LOTS OF WORK PUT INTO IT OBVIOUSLY.
A COUPLE QUESTIONS I HAVE IS ONE THAT I SEE A LOT OF DENSITY CHANGES, AND WHICH IS PROBABLY NECESSARY. BUT HAVE YOU EVER, HAVE YOU? I'M PRETTY SURE, YOU PROBABLY HAVE.
HAS ANY OF THESE TRANSITIONS IN USE HIGH DENSITY? I WAS GOING TO SAY, ARE THESE GOING TO BE HAVE ARE THERE ANY CONFLICTS WITH THESE CHANGES WITH THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN? BECAUSE I FEEL LIKE IF THIS PLAN IS IN PLACE AND WHEN PROJECTS COME IN TO BASED ON THIS PLAN, ARE WE GOING TO WHEN WE APPROVE THE PROJECT BASED ON THIS PLAN, ARE WE GOING TO FILE THE FINDINGS FOR EVERY PROJECT BECAUSE IT'S AGAINST THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN? SO WOULD THERE BE ANY CONFLICTS BETWEEN THE PLAN BETWEEN THIS PLAN AND THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN?
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SO I BELIEVE YOU'RE REFERRING SPECIFICALLY TO 12TH STREET STATION AREA.SO THAT'S THE DOWNTOWN CORRIDOR'S FUTURE LAND USE CATEGORY THAT ALLOWS UP TO FIVE STORIES.
MOST OF THE 12TH STREET STATION AREA IS IN THAT FIVE STORIES.
BUT WITH THE DENSITY BONUS, THERE IS THAT POSSIBILITY TO GO HIGHER.
AND THAT WAS TO MEET PUBLIC COMMENTS THAT WE HEARD FOR MORE OPTIONS FOR HOUSING AND ALSO BEST PRACTICES FOR TOD, KIND OF HAVING THE GREATEST INTENSITY USES RIGHT BY THE TRANSIT STATION. RIGHT.
SOUNDS GOOD. WOULD THAT BE LIKE CONTRARY TO OUR COMPREHENSIVE PLAN? THAT'S SOMETHING THAT'S A VERY IMPORTANT POINT I WANT TO MAKE SURE COMES ACROSS VERY CLEARLY.
THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN ACTUALLY SPEAKS ABOUT SMALL AREA PLANS.
AND IT SAYS THAT SMALL AREA PLANS ARE CONSIDERED AN EXTENSION OF THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN MAY BE USED TO FURTHER REFINE THE COMMUNITY'S VISION FOR SPECIFIC LOCATIONS WITHIN THE CITY. IF THERE ARE CONFLICTS WITH THE DASHBOARDS, THE EXISTING SMALL AREA PLAN CONTROLS DUE TO THE EXTENSIVE PUBLIC OUTREACH AND ADDITIONAL DETAIL WITHIN THESE PLANS.
THANK YOU. SO THAT WAS AN IMPORTANT QUESTION.
AND THANK YOU. AND I HAD A SECOND QUESTION I CAN'T REMEMBER.
NOW. WE'LL COME BACK TO YOU IF YOU THINK OF IT.
I JUST HAD MR. BINDER. YEAH, I JUST HAD I JUST HAD A COMMENT JUST TO PIGGYBACK ON THE ON SHERRY'S COMMENTS.
I HAD A CHANCE TO REVIEW THIS, AND I CAN SEE THE AMOUNT OF WORK THAT WENT INTO THIS.
AND I THINK YOU GUYS DID A REALLY GOOD JOB OF DOING THAT AND TAKING THE PUBLIC INPUT.
AND ANYTIME SOMETHING LIKE THIS OCCURS AT THIS POINT IN TIME, EVERYTHING'S BEING DEVELOPED NEXT TO SOMETHING, RIGHT? SO WE HAVE A BUILT ENVIRONMENT, SO CARE IS NEEDED.
AND SO I THINK THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF EFFORT PUT INTO THAT.
ALSO IN DOING A LITTLE RESEARCH, WASN'T THERE A TIFF ZONE THREE WAS THAT WAS THAT PASSED TO SUPPORT THIS DEVELOPMENT? ERIC, YOU MIGHT HAVE TO GET THAT ONE.
I DON'T KNOW. I SAW SOME REFERENCES TO TIFF ZONE THREE.
AND AS COMMISSIONER RATLIFF SAID, IT'S MORE THE DOWNTOWN A LITTLE BIT NORTH.
THAT MAY HAVE BEEN WHAT I WAS READING, SO THANK YOU.
COMMISSIONER BENDER, THERE IS A TIF THAT WAS CREATED JUST TO FUND ONE ASPECT OF DART EXPANSION.
SO THAT MAY BE THE ONE YOU'RE THINKING OF.
COMMISSIONER TONG, DID YOU THINK OF YOUR OTHER QUESTION? YES. THEY CAME BACK TO ME AND I WROTE IT DOWN NOW.
SO I FEEL LIKE WE HAVE THIS GREAT STATION BUILDING ON THE EAST SIDE OF PLANO.
AND IS THERE ANY PLAN THAT KIND OF GOES ALONG WITH THIS NEW PLAN TO DO MORE PUBLIC TRANSPORTATION BETWEEN THE WEST SIDE AND EAST SIDE OF THE PLANO, JUST BECAUSE OF THIS NEW SILVER LINE DEVELOPMENT? SO I WILL SAY, I THINK I HEARD YOUR QUESTION AND YOU WERE SAYING, ARE THERE OPPORTUNITIES FOR INCREASED TRANSIT OUTSIDE OF THE SILVER LINE WITHIN PLANO? SO SOME OF OUR IMPLEMENTATION ACTIONS TAKE THAT INTO ACCOUNT, WANTING TO MAKE SURE WE'RE IMPROVING FIRST MILE, LAST MILE CONNECTIONS POSSIBLE SHUTTLE CONNECTIONS TO THE COLLIN CREEK DEVELOPMENT, DIFFERENT THINGS TO HELP BRING MORE RIDERS TO THE STATIONS AND HELP EMPLOYERS AND EMPLOYEES AND THE LIGHT INDUSTRIAL OR RESEARCH AND TECHNOLOGY AREA POSSIBLE SHUTTLES FOR THE BUSINESSES.
BUT DEFINITELY THE IMPLEMENTATION SPECIFICALLY POINTS TO FURTHER STUDY IN THAT AREA.
THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER ALALI.
SO HOW ARE WE GOING TO ADDRESS IT? LIKE IF WE APPROVE THIS ONE, IS IT GOING TO BE LIKE HOW ARE THEY GOING TO HOW ARE WE GOING TO ADDRESS.
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WHAT'S EXISTING.AND SOME OF THOSE LIKE DEVELOPMENTS ARE NEWER KIND OF NEWER.
ALSO WHAT'S THE PROJECTION OF THIS LIKE THE IMPLEMENTATION OF THE NEW ZONING.
ARE YOU SPECIFICALLY REFERRING TO BUSINESSES ALONG 14TH STREET AND THE 12TH STREET STATION AREA? SO RIGHT NOW WITH HOW THE LAND USES ARE SET, IT'S KIND OF A STEP DOWN.
SO THERE ARE RECOMMENDATIONS TO ADDRESS ZONING CHANGES IN THE FUTURE IF THAT MEETS THE VISION.
SO LIKE SO FOR THE NEWER LIKE FOR THE NEW DEVELOPMENT.
RIGHT. THAT'S COMING BUT NOT THE EXISTING NOW THAT ARE DEVELOPING NOW, RIGHT? SO TODAY THE DEVELOPMENT WOULD ACT UNDERNEATH THE EXISTING ZONING, BUT IN THE FUTURE WE WOULD WANT TO USE THE STATION AREAS, PLAN TO POSSIBLY REVISIT THE ZONING FOR WHICHEVER LOCATION YOU HAVE SPECIFICALLY IN YOUR MIND.
NO, IT'S JUST GENERALLY BECAUSE LIKE, I SEE A LOT OF DEVELOPMENT NOW, YOU KNOW, LIKE ALONG 14TH STREET, RIGHT, WITH THE LIKE THE HOUSES THAT WE APPROVED, YOU KNOW, LIKE, AND YOU KNOW, LIKE THERE ARE SOME OTHER DEVELOPMENTS IN THAT AREA.
SO I WAS THINKING IS, YOU KNOW, LIKE IF WE APPROVE THEM NOW AND THEY ARE GOING TO BE IN PLACE AND THEY A LITTLE BIT CONTRADICT WITH THE LIKE THE WALKABILITY, WITH THE PARKING LIKE STRUCTURES AND LIKE AH THE OPEN SPACE.
SO HOW ARE WE GOING TO ADDRESS IT? I KNOW THAT WE'RE GOING TO ADDRESS IT.
YOU KNOW LIKE IN THE FUTURE IF ANY NEWER DEVELOPMENT IS GOING TO GO UNDER THIS PLAN.
BUT WHAT ABOUT THE ARE THEY GOING TO BE LIKE AN EYESORE.
KIND OF SO UNTIL THEY GET REDEVELOPED.
SO IT MEETS AREAS THAT MIGHT NOT FIT BUT ARE KIND OF EVOLVING OVER TIME.
AND SO WE DO HAVE A TRANSITIONAL MIXED USE ALONG 14TH STREET.
IF I COULD YES, THAT'S KIND OF THE.
THAT'S UNFORTUNATELY THAT IS SOMEWHAT THE REDEVELOPMENT GAME IS IT'S DRIVEN BY PROPERTY OWNERS INVESTING INTO THEIR PROPERTY AND SO WHAT THE CITY CAN DO IS PUT VARIOUS TYPES OF INCENTIVES, WHETHER THAT BE ZONING OR TIFS OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT, TO ENCOURAGE THEM TO REDEVELOP THE PROPERTY IN A WAY THAT MEETS THE CITY'S VISION.
YEAH, THAT'S MY OTHER QUESTION IS LIKE, ARE THERE INCENTIVES THAT, LIKE THE CITY IS, YOU KNOW, LIKE LOOKING INTO TO ENCOURAGE PEOPLE TO, YOU KNOW, LIKE REDEVELOP EVEN IF THEY DON'T LIKE.
SO WE DO HAVE IMPLEMENTATION ACTIONS THAT CALL FOR INVESTIGATING AND INITIATING ECONOMIC INCENTIVES OR OTHER TYPES OF INCENTIVES TO KIND OF SPUR REDEVELOPMENT. BUT WE ALSO HAVE CONCEPTS, AND THIS IS A LITTLE OFF TO THE SIDE.
THAT'S AN AREA THAT'S COULD AFFECT SOME OF THAT DEVELOPMENT ALONG 14TH STREET.
THEY WERE WANTING TO KIND OF TRANSITION INTO THE SILVER LINE GOALS.
I WAS JUST GOING TO ADD A COMMENT THAT, YOU KNOW, ONE OF THE CHALLENGES IS THERE ARE MULTIPLE LANDOWNERS, RIGHT, THAT DON'T ALL ACT TOGETHER. AND SO IN MANY CASES, AS THESE PROJECTS COME ALONG, IT MAY BE ONE DEVELOPER WORKING WITH ANOTHER DEVELOPER TO CONFIGURE PROPERTIES AND SO FORTH, SO IT CAN BE REDEVELOPED.
LET ME PICK A LITTLE BIT ON WHERE I THOUGHT COMMISSIONER ALALI WAS GOING.
THERE'S A COMMENT IN THE PACKET THAT TALKS ABOUT THERE MIGHT BE A RECOMMENDATION TO CHANGE THE UNDERLYING ZONING FROM LIGHT INDUSTRIAL ONE TO I THINK IT WAS LIGHT COMMERCIAL, WHICH OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD WILL CAUSE THOSE EXISTING DEVELOPMENTS TO BE NON-CONFORMANT.
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TO THAT NONCONFORMANCE OR GRANDFATHER THEM IN SOME WAY INTO COMPLIANCE.YOU'RE CORRECT. THERE MAY BE SOME PROPERTIES WHERE THE UNDERLYING ZONING WOULD CHANGE.
WE WOULD NEED TO LOOK AT THE USES AT THAT TIME.
IF IT WAS SOMETHING THAT WE THE CHANGE WOULD NOT CONFORM A USE, WE WOULD DEFINITELY CONSIDER THAT PRIOR TO, YOU KNOW, MOVING FORWARD, WE COULD CREATE A PLAN DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT THAT MAINTAINED THAT USE GOING FORWARD.
I WANT TO SAY THAT WE CHANGED A LOT OF THE PROPERTY TO LIGHT COMMERCIAL ZONING, I BELIEVE, AND SOME PROPERTIES WERE GRANTED SPECIFIC USE PERMITS JUST TO ENSURE THAT THEIR USES WERE STILL VALID.
SO WE'RE ALSO GOING THROUGH, AGAIN, A CHANGE IN OUR ORDINANCE.
THERE MAY BE SOME ORDINANCE ADJUSTMENTS THROUGH THE ZONING ORDINANCE UPDATE THAT MAY RELATE TO THIS, BUT THE GOAL ULTIMATELY, HOPEFULLY, IS TO GET DEVELOPMENT TO REALLY OCCUR IN AND AROUND THE STATIONS AND JUST HAVE A VALID PLAN THAT CAN ACCOMMODATE LOTS OF DIFFERENT TYPES OF DEVELOPMENT.
SO WE'RE NOT LOOKING TO, YOU KNOW, REALLY REMOVE HEAVIER INDUSTRIAL USES OR COMMERCIAL USES.
THAT'S RIGHT. I DID WANT TO MENTION REAL FAST.
I DID LOOK AT THE INFORMATION FOR TIF THREE.
FOR THE DENSITY BONUS, HOW DOES THAT WORK? IS THERE A WAITING STRUCTURE TO, FOR LACK OF A BETTER WORD, ALMOST GUIDE WHAT WE WANT TO SEE. YOU KNOW, YOU GET CULTURAL USES, GETS A HIGHER WEIGHT IN CRITERIA OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
SO THE PLAN RIGHT NOW RECOMMENDS A FEW OF THE CRITERIA THAT WOULD BE FAVORABLE.
SO LET'S SAY THIS FIVE STORY BUILDING THEY WANT TO ADD THREE MORE STORIES.
IF THEY'RE BEATING ENOUGH OF THE CRITERIA THAT WE WOULD LAY OUT OF, MAYBE IT'S AFFORDABLE HOUSING, ADDING MORE PARKING, MAYBE SOME MORE MIXED USE ELEMENTS ON STREET PARKING, THAT TYPE OF THING.
THOSE COULD BE CRITERIA THAT WOULD ALLOW THE DENSITY BONUS.
SO WOULD THE COMMISSION HAVE SOME DISCRETION OR LATITUDE AS TO, QUOTE UNQUOTE, WHAT WE FAVOR OVER THE OTHERS? OR IT WOULD DEPEND ON HOW THE FINAL LANGUAGE OF THE DENSITY BONUS AND THE TRANSIT CENTER MIXED USE WAS WRITTEN.
OKAY. IF I COULD CLARIFY THIS, THIS PLAN ITSELF, ADOPTING IT WOULD NOT GIVE A DENSITY BONUS.
THE ZONING HAS TO COME AFTER THAT TO THEN ALLOW IT.
SO TO CLARIFY IS THAT ARE WE THINKING THAT THAT ZONING WILL BE PART OF THE ZONING REWRITE, OR WOULD WE BE DOING SOMETHING PRIOR TO THAT? ANY THOUGHTS? I DON'T THINK WE'RE GOING TO PROACTIVELY REZONE TO ALLOW FOR THE DENSITY BONUS.
NO, I MEAN, AS FAR AS WRITING THE ZONING CRITERIA, NOT NECESSARILY THE REZONING ITSELF, BUT WRITING THE NEW ZONING DISTRICTS AND THE CRITERIA FOR THE ZONING, THE BONUS. IS THAT GOING TO BE PART OF THE ZONING ORDINANCE REWRITE SO THAT WE HAVE THOSE DESIGNATIONS IN THERE? WE I DON'T THINK WE'VE AND CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, I DON'T THINK WE'VE GOTTEN TO THE POINT OF WE'RE LOOKING AT NEW ZONING DISTRICTS AT THIS POINT.
I THINK THE ZONING ORDINANCE REWRITE THAT PROJECT IS GOING TO CONSIDER OUR DISTRICTS.
THE PLAN IS REALLY LOOKING AT, I THINK WHAT WE WERE THINKING IS MORE OF THE BG DISTRICT WOULD APPLY, AND THEN FOLKS COULD COME IN AND DO A PLANNED DEVELOPMENT WITH THE BG, OUR EXISTING ZONING DISTRICTS, AND PROPOSE ADDITIONAL HEIGHT UNDER THOSE EXISTING DISTRICTS.
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AND PRIOR TO.THAT'S WHAT I WAS HOPING THE ANSWER WAS.
OTHER QUESTIONS, COMMISSIONER BROUNOFF.
I SEE THIS PLAN AS A GENERAL GUIDELINE THAT AT MOST POINTS OUT THE NEED FOR FURTHER DEVELOPMENT OF THE SPECIFICS OF IMPLEMENTATION BUT DOES NOT BY ITSELF SEEK TO PROVIDE THOSE SPECIFIC GUIDELINES FOR IMPLEMENTATION.
I DON'T THINK A GENERAL PLAN CAN DO THAT.
SO I'M NOT DISTURBED BY THE FACT THAT THE SPECIFICS OF HOW WE DO THE DENSITY BONUS AND HOW WE DO THE REZONING ARE RESOLVED TONIGHT.
I THINK THAT'S THE ANSWER TO THE QUESTIONS THAT HAVE BEEN RAISED HERE.
AND I ALALI YOU GOT YOUR MICROPHONE ON.
YOU HAD ANOTHER QUESTION. DIDN'T WANT TO MISS YOU.
I THINK YOU DID A FANTASTIC JOB.
IT LOOKS LIKE A LOT OF THOUGHT I WASN'T.
I WASN'T PART OF PART OF ALL THAT.
LIKE MR. RATLIFF WAS IN THE SO I DON'T KNOW WHAT ALL WAS CONSIDERED, BUT I DO KNOW THROUGH HISTORY WITH DART RAILS AND OTHER THINGS THAT UNFORTUNATELY, IN OLDER STUFF, YOU'LL SEE A HOMELESS ELEMENT COME ABOUT AROUND THOSE AREAS.
AND I WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT THAT TYPE OF STUFF WAS CONSIDERED IN THIS ON HOW WE WOULD PREVENT THAT FROM OCCURRING HERE WITH THIS, WITH THESE SUBSTATIONS IN THESE AREAS, BECAUSE OBVIOUSLY WE DON'T WANT EVERY CITY IS HAVING THAT ISSUE NOW.
WE DON'T NEED TO CREATE MORE HUBS HERE IN PLANO.
AND SO THAT WAS TARGETED AT THAT EXACT CONCERN.
YEAH. AND THAT WAS LIKE ALSO LIKE A CONCERN WHEN I WAS THINKING ABOUT, YOU KNOW, LIKE, IF WE WANT TO IMPLEMENT THE PLAN WITH THE EXISTING ZONING, THERE WOULD BE, YOU KNOW, LIKE BECAUSE THE PLAN IS VERY BEAUTIFUL AND, YOU KNOW LIKE IN THE IMAGE AND THE VISION IS VERY NICE, BUT YOU LIKE IF WE HAVE THOSE POCKETS, IT'S NOT GOING TO BE COMPLETE. SO IT'S PROBABLY THIS WAY.
IT'S GOING TO ENCOURAGE YOU LIKE IT'S NOT GOING TO BE COMPLETE.
SO IT'S GOING TO ENCOURAGE ALL THESE, YOU KNOW, LIKE YOU KNOW I THINK ONE THING I'D LIKE TO ADD ABOUT THE PLAN IS I THINK ONE OF THE NORTH STARS IS ALWAYS MAKING IT, MAKING THE AREA A PLACE WHERE PEOPLE WANT TO GATHER, WHERE PEOPLE WANT TO WALK.
AND PART OF THAT IS MAKING THEM FEEL SAFE.
IF YOU HAVE THIS VISION AND THEN YOU LIKE, CAN YOU START WITH SOME AREAS WHICH HAS LIKE VERY BEAUTIFUL STREETS, VERY BEAUTIFUL LANDSCAPE LIGHTING, AND THEN YOU HAVE LIKE THIS POCKET WITH, YOU KNOW LIKE A SURFACE PARKING AND YOU'RE LIKE AN INDUSTRIAL BUILDING THAT NOBODY IS GOING TO BE USING AT NIGHT AT LEAST YOU KNOW.
SO THESE POCKETS, IT'LL PROBABLY DO LIKE A TAKE AWAY FROM THE, YOU KNOW, LIKE THE VISION.
SO I DON'T KNOW HOW WE'RE GOING TO ADDRESS IT.
MAYBE WE HAVE TO LIKE HAVE THE PEOPLE THE, LIKE THE EXISTING PROBABLY ZONING.
IT'S JUST LIKE, ADD SOME LANDSCAPE OR.
I DON'T KNOW IF WE CAN DO THAT.
I DON'T KNOW. I THINK IF I MAY, I'LL, I'LL ANSWER THAT A LITTLE BIT.
THERE WILL BE A PERIOD OF TIME HOPEFULLY SHORTER THAN THAT, WHERE THERE WILL BE SOME MIX AND MATCH GOING ON REDEVELOPMENT, JUST LIKE THERE IS NOW IN IN THE DOWNTOWN BG DISTRICT, WHERE THERE'S SOME OLDER BUSINESSES AND SOME BRAND NEW CONSTRUCTION AS WELL.
SO AND IT'S COMING TOGETHER, BUT IT'S A WORK IN PROCESS OBVIOUSLY.
SO. AND THE PLAN GIVES GUIDANCE FOR AREAS WHERE THERE MIGHT NEED TO BE FUTURE STUDY AND OR ALSO MAYBE AS DEVELOPMENT IS OCCURRING, A NEED FOR A CITY INITIATED INFRASTRUCTURE IMPROVEMENT PROJECT TO KIND OF BRIDGE SOME OF THOSE GAPS THAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT.
SO, THE PLAN WAS WRITTEN WITHIN THOSE PARAMETERS OF HOW IT WILL BE USED.
THAT'S GOOD. DOES THAT ANSWER ALL YOUR CONCERNS? YEAH. OKAY. COMMISSIONER OLLEY.
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ANYTIME CASE BY CASE COMES INTO PLAY TO UNDERSTAND HOW THE PIECES OF THE PUZZLE NEED TO COME TOGETHER IN ORDER TO MAKE SURE THE PICTURE ITSELF IS NOT RUINED AT THE END OF THE DAY.SO WE HAVE A I NEED TO READ IT A COUPLE MORE TIMES, BECAUSE EVERY TIME I READ IT, SOMETHING ELSE JUMPS OUT AND I'LL PROBABLY EMAIL YOU GUYS, BUT I THINK IT'S A IT'S A VERY GOOD START.
YEAH. SO I DO HAVE A COUPLE OF THINGS I'D LIKE TO SAY.
ONE. AS SOMEBODY WHO SERVED ON THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN COMMISSION, I WANT TO SAY YOUR PHRASE, QUOTE, ACTIVELY SOUGHT PUBLIC INPUT.
THAT WAS REALLY AT A BIG CORE OF A LOT THAT WAS CONFUSING, RELATED TO OUR PLAN.
AND AS SOMEBODY WHO SERVED ON THAT PLAN I FEEL LIKE YOU GUYS DID A TREMENDOUS JOB UNDERSTANDING WHAT WE WERE LOOKING FOR AND DESIRED AND THE WAY THAT YOU BROUGHT OUT IN YOUR MAPS AND IN TRYING TO STAY TRUE TO THE GUIDANCE FOR THE CITY AND THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN BOTH FOR PLANO TODAY AND PLANO IN 2050, SO THAT WE CAN GET THERE IN PLANO TOGETHER.
I THINK YOUR FIDELITY TO THAT WAS TREMENDOUS.
AND I WANT TO SAY THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR DOING THAT.
YOUR QUOTE, THAT IT WAS ASPIRATIONAL.
SO I REALLY APPRECIATE THE ASPIRATIONAL OF THE PLAN.
YOU GUYS DID A TREMENDOUS JOB ON KNITTING THINGS TOGETHER.
I REALLY I REALLY APPRECIATED THE RESIDENTIAL ADJACENCY TRANSITIONS, AND I DO HAVE A QUESTION SPECIFIC TO THE TRANSITIONS WHEN SOMETHING QUALIFIES FOR A BONUS SO THAT WE DON'T HAVE, YOU KNOW, A ONE STORY NEXT TO AN EIGHT STORY BUILDING TO IS THERE SOME KIND OF UNDERSTANDING AS IT RELATES TO TRANSITIONS IN THOSE AREAS THAT THE BONUSES DO OCCUR? SO THERE ARE WITHIN THE TRANSIT CENTER MIXED USE WHERE THE DENSITY BONUS WOULD BE ALLOWED.
THERE IS THAT IT'S A 500 FOOT BUFFER BETWEEN THE DOUGLAS NEIGHBORHOOD.
SO AND THAT'S AN AREA WHERE THAT DENSITY BONUS BECAUSE OF THAT BUFFER, THAT TRANSITIONAL BUFFER, WOULDN'T IT BE ALLOWED WITH HEIGHTS WITH SURROUNDING AREAS.
SO LIKE THE MAIN STREET, MIXED USE, TRANSITIONAL MIXED USE AND THE TRANSIT CENTER THAT I FEEL LIKE THAT THAT COULD BE SET OUT IN HOW THE DENSITY BONUS STANDARDS ARE PUT TOGETHER.
THAT COULD BE ONE OF THE FACTORS.
SO I GUESS MY KEY HERE IS I WANT TO I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT IT MAKES SENSE THAT THAT EVERYTHING FITS TOGETHER NICELY.
AND MY NEXT POINT IS THE CALCULATION.
YES, THIS IS WHY WE GAVE THE TRANSPARENCY BONUS OR THIS IS WHY IT DIDN'T QUALIFY.
SO I WANT TO HAVE THAT AS A KEY.
IS THAT CORRECT? THAT'S CORRECT.
AGAIN, THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR ALL THE WORK THAT WAS DONE ON THIS.
I THINK YOU REALLY DID HONOR THE PLAN.
AND I THINK THAT IT'S VERY COMPLEMENTARY TO THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AND WILL WORK VERY NICELY.
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AND I APPRECIATE THE EFFORT.YEAH. THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN.
I'D LIKE TO ADD MY CONGRATULATIONS TO THE STAFF AND TO EVERYONE WHO WORKED ON THIS PLAN.
IT OBVIOUSLY INVOLVED A LOT OF WORK BY A LOT OF PEOPLE, INCLUDING MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC.
THIS IS NOT THIS WAS NOT THROWN TOGETHER ON A CASUAL BASIS.
THE ONLY OTHER COMMENT I'D ADD IS THAT THE PLAN SHOULD NOT FORGET THAT THIS IS A DIRECT LINE FROM PLANO TO THE DFW AIRPORT, AND THEREFORE CONSIDERATION SHOULD BE INCLUDED FOR TRAVELING USERS.
FOR EXAMPLE, HOTELS, RESTAURANTS, LONG TERM PARKING, WHICH CAN BE FOR PAY BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, LONG TERM PARKING IS GENERALLY FOR PAY WITH APPROPRIATE SECURITY PROVISIONS ATTACHED.
NOW, I UNDERSTAND THE PLAN CALLS FOR A PARKING STUDY TO BE DONE LATER, AND I THINK THAT'S FINE.
BUT GENERALLY, I THINK THIS IS A FINE PLAN.
BUT IS THAT IS THAT A MOTION COMMISSIONER? YEAH. OKAY. I'LL MAKE A MOTION THAT WE WE PROVIDE GUIDANCE TO THE STAFF TO PROCEED WITH POINTS A, B AND C AS PROVIDED IN OUR PACKET, AND THAT WE CALL A PUBLIC HEARING TO CONSIDER ADOPTION OF THE PLAN.
BUT I'LL SECOND IT. ALL RIGHT.
STAFF, I'M GOING TO ASK YOU ALL, DO YOU ALL FEEL LIKE YOU'VE GOTTEN ADEQUATE INPUT THIS EVENING? ALL GOOD. YES.
COMMISSIONERS, ANY OTHER COMMENTS BEFORE WE VOTE? NOBODY. WE HAVE A MOTION BY COMMISSIONER BROUNOFF, SECONDED BY COMMISSIONER BRONSKY TO CALL A PUBLIC HEARING TO THE ADOPTION OF THE SILVER LINE STATION AREA PLAN AT A DATE TO BE DETERMINED. ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE OR RAISE YOUR HAND.
ANY OPPOSED? MOTION PASSES 8 TO 0.
ALL RIGHT. THAT'S THE LAST OF OUR ACTION ITEMS. COMMENTS OF PUBLIC INTEREST.
THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION MAY CHOOSE TO PLACE THE ITEM ON A FUTURE AGENDA.
THE PRESIDING OFFICER MAY MODIFY THESE TIMES AS DEEMED NECESSARY.
THERE ARE NO REGISTERED SPEAKERS FOR PUBLIC COMMENTS.
SO WITH THAT SAID, I'LL ADJOURN OUR MEETING AT EIGHT NINE.
OH, WHAT TIME IS IT? 08:08 P.M..
GET HOME IN TIME FOR THE SECOND HALF.
* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.