[00:00:03] HOLD ON. [PRELIMINARY OPEN MEETING] I NOW DECLARE THE PLANO CITY COUNCIL'S CONVENED IN OPEN SESSION. THAT ALL COUNCILMEMBERS ARE PRESENT, WITH THE EXCEPTION OF COUNCILMEMBER WILLIAMS. COUNCILMEMBER SMITH. YEAH. OKAY. COUNCILMEMBER SMITH. THE COUNCIL WILL NOW RECESS INTO EXECUTIVE SESSION IN THE CHILDREN'S PROGRAM ROOM. ACTUALLY IN THE HARDY ROOM TO HOLD A CLOSED EXECUTIVE MEETING PURSUANT TO THE PROVISIONS OF VERNON'S TEXAS CODES ANNOTATED GOVERNMENT CODE, CHAPTER 551. THE OPEN MEETINGS ACT IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE AUTHORITY CONTAINED IN SECTION 551.071, TO CONSULT WITH THE ATTORNEY AND RECEIVE LEGAL ADVICE. SECTION 551.087 TO DISCUSS ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT AND SECTION 551.072 TO DISCUSS REAL ESTATE. THANK YOU, COUNCILMEMBER WILLIAMS IS HERE. LET THE MINUTES REFRESH. I NOW DECLARE THAT THE PLANO CITY COUNCIL PRELIMINARY OPEN MEETING IS RECONVENED IN OPEN SESSION, AND ALL COUNCILMEMBERS ARE PRESENT, WITH THE EXCEPTION OF COUNCILMEMBER RICK SMITH. OUR FIRST ITEM ON THE PRELIMINARY AGENDA IS CONSIDERATION AND ACTION RESULTING FROM THE EXECUTIVE SESSION. OKAY. NEXT ITEM IS PERSONNEL APPOINTMENTS. THE TAX INCREMENT FINANCING REINVESTMENT ZONE NUMBER FIVE. CHAIR. MR. MAYOR. YES, COUNCILMAN SMITH AND I HAD DISCUSSIONS ABOUT THIS, AND WE WANT TO NOMINATE OR RENOMINATE JEANINE CADENA TO CONTINUE AS THE CHAIR OF TAX INCREMENT ZONING NUMBER FIVE. OKAY, AND MR. COUNCILMAN SMITH WAS GOING TO SECOND THAT. I'M HERE. CAN ANYBODY HEAR ME? YEAH. THAT'S GOOD. OH, OKAY, WASN'T WORKING THERE; NOW IT IS. SO YES, I WILL SECOND. OKAY. I HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND TO APPROVE JEANINE CADENA AS THE CHAIR OF THE TAX INCREMENT FINANCING REINVESTMENT ZONE NUMBER FIVE. ALL IN FAVOR, RAISE YOUR HAND. MOTION PASSES 8 TO 0. OKAY. NEXT ITEM, ITEM THREE. DISCUSSION AND DIRECTION REGARDING EXTRA DUTY SOLUTIONS FOR THE POLICE DEPARTMENT. HELLO, CHIEF. OF OUR MEETING TODAY. GOOD. OKAY. SO THIS IS THE TIMELINE THAT WE TALKED ABOUT BEFORE. WE INITIALLY SIGNED THE CONTRACT WITH EDS LAST YEAR. SO IT'S BEEN OVER 12 MONTHS NOW. BACK IN JUNE, WE STARTED THE CALL IN ASSIGNMENTS WITH EDS IN APRIL, AND THERE WAS SOME DISCUSSION ABOUT WHETHER THE CITY SHOULD PAY, WHETHER WE SHOULD HAVE THE EMPLOYERS PAY, WHETHER WE SHOULD USE IT AT ALL. I AM A STRONG PROPONENT THAT WE SHOULD DEFINITELY HAVE SOMETHING LIKE EDS HERE, AND SO THE COUNCIL MADE A DECISION STARTING ON 1ST JULY TO START COVERING THE COST FOR THAT. THAT AND 1ST JULY DID NOT INCLUDE OUR PISD AT THAT TIME, AND THEY WERE PICKED UP ON 1ST OCTOBER OF THIS YEAR. SO AGAIN, SOME OF THE PROBLEMS THAT WE WERE HAVING BEFORE AND HOW THAT'S BEEN ADDRESSED, ALL OFFICERS WILLING TO WORK OFF-DUTY ASSIGNMENTS ARE NOT GIVEN AN OPPORTUNITY TO DO SO. THAT WAS ONE OF THE ISSUES THAT WE HAVE. THERE ARE CLIQUES WITHIN THE POLICE DEPARTMENT. THAT'S NOT SURPRISING. WHEN YOU HAVE AN ORGANIZATION OF OVER 600 PEOPLE, YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE THAT, AND YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE PEOPLE THAT ARE FRIENDS AND PEOPLE THAT DON'T KNOW EACH OTHER, AND THEY TYPICALLY WANT PEOPLE TO WORK FOR THEM WHO ARE FRIENDS, AND IN THIS ENVIRONMENT, I BELIEVE THAT WHEN THOSE JOBS COME IN, THEY SHOULD BE OPEN TO ALL OFFICERS THAT ARE WILLING TO, AND ARE QUALIFIED TO WORK THOSE JOBS. VERY LABOR INTENSIVE TO TRACK AND APPROVE LONG TERM ASSIGNMENTS AND LOCATIONS. WE WERE DOING THIS BY PAPER, SENDING UP A BUNCH OF PAPER UP THE CHAIN OF COMMAND. YOU KNOW, IT'S MONTHS AFTER THE FIRST OF THE YEAR BEFORE WE GET THAT DONE, ALL THAT'S TAKEN CARE OF. NOW WE'VE GOT THOSE LOCATIONS IN AND ALL THAT'S TRACKED BY US, BY OUR VENDOR THAT'S HANDLING THIS. CANNOT TRACK WHETHER POLICY IS BEING FOLLOWED OR ESTABLISHED ON LONG TERM ASSIGNMENTS? SOME OF THOSE PROBLEMS THAT WE SAW IS WE HAD SUPERVISORS ON THEIR REGULAR JOB THEY SUPERVISE THIS EMPLOYEE. IN SOME CASES, THEY WERE WORKING FOR THEIR EMPLOYEE BECAUSE THEIR EMPLOYEE WAS THE COORDINATORS OF THOSE JOBS. WE HAVE POLICIES RELATED TO IF YOU WORK AN EXTRA DUTY ASSIGNMENT, YOU HAVE TO BE CERTIFIED OR QUALIFIED IN SOMETHING CALLED STANDARDIZED FIELD SOBRIETY, WHICH IS THE ALCOHOL TEST THAT YOU SEE ON THE SIDE OF THE ROAD. [00:05:01] IF YOU'RE IN PATROL, YOU WILL BE QUALIFIED TO DO THAT AT ALL TIMES, BUT IF YOU'RE A DETECTIVE OR AN ADMINISTRATIVE POSITION, YOU MAY NOT HAVE TO DO THAT, BUT YOU MAY WANT TO GO WORK AN ASSIGNMENT WHERE THEY HAVE THAT. SO THERE WAS NO WAY WE COULD TRACK WHETHER THOSE THINGS WERE BEING MANAGED APPROPRIATELY AND WHETHER OUR SLEEP REQUIREMENTS WERE BEING MET. OFFICERS CAN WORK UP TO 16 HOURS A DAY WITH A COMBINATION OF BOTH THEIR REGULAR HOURS AND THEIR OFF DUTY EMPLOYMENT. IN SOME CASES, WE FOUND OFFICERS WHO WERE WORKING MORE THAN THAT IN ONE ASSIGNMENT. BIG LIABILITY ISSUE FOR US. NOW WE'RE ABLE TO TRACK THAT THROUGH EDS AS WELL. NEXT SLIDE IS YEAH. WE TALKED ABOUT THAT. NOT QUALIFIED TO WORK CERTAIN ASSIGNMENTS TOO MUCH ON DUTY TIME USED TO COORDINATE OFF DUTY EMPLOYMENT AND I DID NOT HAVE A RULE IN PLACE. NEITHER THE CHIEF RUSHIN THAT OFFICERS, WHEN THEY'RE ON THEIR REGULAR DUTY, THAT THEY CAN'T THE COORDINATORS CAN'T WORK ON THEIR SECONDARY EMPLOYMENT BECAUSE THERE'S NO WAY THEY HAVE TO BE ABLE TO DO IT AT WORK, OR WE MIGHT AS WELL NOT DO IT AT ALL. SO THAT'S TAKEN. SO NOW OUR COORDINATORS DON'T HAVE TO DO ANY OF THAT. WE GOT RID OF MOST OF THE COORDINATORS EXCEPT FOR OUR FAITH BASED ORGANIZATIONS AND OUR HOSPITALS. WE STILL HAVE COORDINATORS THERE, BUT WE NO LONGER NEED COORDINATORS TO DO THAT BECAUSE ALL THAT COORDINATION IS HANDLED BY EDS. NO CASH ASSIGNMENTS. WE WERE HAVING SOME JOBS WHERE OFFICERS WERE BEING PAID IN CASH. THE OPTICS OF THAT ARE OBVIOUS TO ME. ON WHY THAT DOESN'T LOOK GOOD. OFFICERS DRIVING TO A LOCATION, YOU KNOW, AFTER THEY'VE WORKED THAT ASSIGNMENT TO GET PAID ON A JOB IS NOT SOMETHING I THINK THAT PROFESSIONAL LAW ENFORCEMENT AGENCIES OUGHT TO BE INVOLVED IN. ADDITIONAL BENEFITS ADMIN SERGEANTS NO LONGER TAKING, THIS IS A HUGE ONE. SO WE HAVE THREE ADMIN SERGEANTS. TWO OF THOSE ARE WORKING DAY SHIFTS. ONE WAS WORKING ASSIGNMENT TO WORK EVENING SHIFT. THE TWO ON DAY SHIFT WERE PRIMARILY WORKING, TRACKING OUR CALL IN JOBS. THAT WAS THE BULK OF THEIR TIME. THEY WEREN'T ABLE TO ASSIST IN PATROL AND DO OTHER THINGS. SO NOW THAT WE HAVE THIS IN PLACE, WE'VE GOT ONE DAY SHIFT SERGEANT WHO ASSISTS PATROL OFFICERS OUT IN THE FIELD HANDLING BRIEFINGS. WE'VE GOT ONE WHO WORKS EVENING AND WE HAVE ONE NOW. WE WERE ABLE TO CREATE WHAT'S CALLED A FIELD TRAINING OFFICER SERGEANT, AND THAT IS A BIG DEAL FOR US BECAUSE WE HAVE OFFICERS THAT ARE, THAT ARE THAT ARE TRAINING ON DIFFERENT SHIFTS ON DIFFERENT PARTS OF TIME AROUND THE CLOCK, AND SO HOW WE'RE SET UP IS WE HAVE TWO PLATOONS ON DAY SHIFT, WE HAVE TWO PLATOONS ON THE EVENING SHIFT, AND SO WE HAD A COORDINATOR ON EACH ONE OF THOSE, THOSE SHIFTS REALLY NEVER SEE OR COORDINATE WITH EACH OTHER THE WAY WE HAVE OUR 12 HOURS. WE NEEDED TO GET THAT CENTRALIZED. NOW WE'RE ABLE TO DO THAT, TAKE ONE OF THOSE ADMINISTRATIVE SERGEANTS AND THEY ARE THE FULL TIME FTO SERGEANT, AND THEY CAN TRACK ALL THOSE RECORDS AND MAKE SURE THAT THE RECRUITS THAT ARE COMING THROUGH ARE GETTING THE APPROPRIATE TRAINING THAT THEY NEED. THEY'RE IN TRAINING FOR ABOUT 18 WEEKS, AND THEN THEY HAVE TO GO AND MOVE TO OTHER PARTS OF TOWN AND TRYING TO DO THAT WITH FOUR COORDINATORS WHO DON'T EVER WORK AT THE SAME TIME WAS A BIT MUCH FOR. SO THAT HAS SIMPLIFIED LIFE FROM A TRAINING PERSPECTIVE DRAMATICALLY. REDUCED JOB, EMAILS AND COVERAGE, AND SHORT NOTICE ITEMS. OFFICERS HAVE AN APP ON THEIR PHONE. THOSE CAN STILL COME INTO THEIR EMAIL IF THEY WANT TO, OR THEY CAN JUST BLOCK THOSE AND NOT HAVE THOSE COME IN VERSUS, YOU KNOW, YOU'VE GOT PEOPLE ALL OVER THE DEPARTMENT SENDING EMAILS, TRYING TO GET PEOPLE TO FILL POSITIONS THAT WE WERE DOING BEFORE. ALL THAT'S GONE AWAY. TRACKING, JOB TRACKING OF JOBS, ACCOUNTABILITY AND STATISTICS. SOME OF THE DATA THAT I'M GOING TO SHOW YOU TONIGHT, I WOULDN'T I WOULD NOT HAVE BEEN ABLE TO SHOW YOU THAT SIX MONTHS AGO BECAUSE WE DIDN'T HAVE THE CAPABILITY OF DOING THAT THE WAY WE WERE SET UP. SO, YEAH, THIS IS SOME OF THE STATISTICAL DATA THAT I WAS JUST TALKING ABOUT. SO THE TOTAL NUMBER OF OFFICERS THAT HAVE WORKED AT 587 SO FAR, AND WE ONLY HAVE WE ONLY AUTHORIZED 428 OFFICERS TOTAL, EVEN WITH THE OVER-HIRES. SO WITH SOME JOBS IN PARTICULAR PISD, THEY'VE GOT OF COURSE, FACILITIES AND OPERATIONS THAT ARE OUTSIDE OF OUR CITY, AND SO THEY'VE GOT SOME OF THOSE OFFICERS THAT ARE IN OUR SYSTEM, AND SO WE OKAYED THAT THE ONLY THING THOSE OFFICERS CAN DO, THOUGH, IS WORK PISD JOBS. WE'VE GOT A FEW OTHERS AT SOME OF THE HOSPITALS THAT ARE LIKE THAT AS WELL. SO THAT'S WHY THERE IS MORE OFFICERS UP THERE THAN WE HAVE AT THE DEPARTMENT. ACTIVE EMPLOYERS. THAT INCLUDES BOTH LONG TERM AND ONE TIME CALL INS, GRANDFATHERED EMPLOYERS, 37 AND THEN ONE TIME EMPLOYERS 100. SO SO JUST AGAIN, JUST MORE BASIC DATA THAT WE WERE ABLE TO COLLECT BY HAVING THIS SYSTEM IN PLACE. IN TOTAL PAID TO OFFICERS SO FAR AT THIS POINT, ABOUT $1.3 MILLION THROUGH THIS SYSTEM. IS THE BIG NUMBER UP THERE. WHAT QUESTIONS DO YOU HAVE? YES, SIR. CAN YOU DEFINE FOR ME WHAT THE GRANDFATHERED EMPLOYERS ARE? YEAH, THE GRANDFATHERED EMPLOYERS ARE THE ONES THAT WE ALREADY HAD A RELATIONSHIP WITH, WHERE WE HAD OFFICERS WORKING ON A HABITUAL BASIS, AND THEY TYPICALLY HAVE A CREW OR [00:10:08] SQUAD OF OFFICERS THAT WORK, MAYBE FIVE, MAYBE TEN THAT WERE WORKING AT THOSE EMPLOYERS BEFOREHAND. SO THOSE WERE THE GRANDFATHERED EMPLOYERS. SO THOSE WERE NOT THE ONES THAT WE INITIALLY STARTED WITH IN APRIL. WE ALSO HAVE EMPLOYERS WHO CALL IN, WHO MAY ONLY NEED OFFICERS FOR 1 OR 2 DAYS FOR SOMETHING. SO WE STARTED PUTTING THEM ON THIS SYSTEM IN APRIL, BUT THE ONES THAT WHERE THEY HAD A LONG TERM RELATIONSHIP WITH THE OFFICERS, WE GAVE THEM MORE TIME TO GET READY, AND WE STARTED IT IN JULY BECAUSE AT THE TIME WE WERE UNDER THE ASSUMPTION THAT THEY WOULD BE PAYING THE FEE FOR THE SERVICE, AND SO WE WANTED TO GIVE THEM TIME TO BE ABLE TO DO THAT, AND PISD WAS GIVEN MORE TIME EVEN BEYOND THAT, BECAUSE PISD'S OFF DUTY EMPLOYMENT SITUATION IS JUST SO COMPLEX, WITH ALL THE DIFFERENT FACILITIES AND THE NUMBER OF OFFICERS THEY USE, BY FAR THEY'RE OUR BIGGEST EMPLOYER EASILY. MAYOR PRO TEM FIRST. THIS IS A FOLLOW UP WITH COUNCILMAN HORNE'S QUESTION. SO I BELIEVE THIS ALL CAME TO THE COUNCIL BECAUSE THERE WAS SUCH A DRAMATIC INCREASE IN FEE TO THE PEOPLE WHO ARE BEING PROVIDED SERVICES. ONE SPECIFIC EXAMPLE IS ONE OF THE CHURCHES THAT HAD ALWAYS USED OFF DUTY OFFICERS TO ASSIST THEM, BUT ALL OF A SUDDEN THE FEES WENT UP. I THINK THAT WAS ALSO CORRELATED TO THE FACT THAT YOU GUYS ARE NOW USING A NEW SYSTEM, BUT THE NEW SYSTEM, WE'RE NOT WE WEREN'T PAYING FOR THAT NEW SYSTEM. AM I CORRECT ABOUT THAT? IS THAT HOW THIS ALL CAME ABOUT? WELL, HOW THIS CAME ABOUT IS THE REASON THIS CAME ABOUT IS BECAUSE OF THE PROBLEMS THAT I JUST TALKED ABOUT. SO WE NEEDED TO ADDRESS THIS. THIS IS GOING ON ACROSS LAW ENFORCEMENT AGENCIES ARE USING COMPANIES LIKE THIS TO HELP THEM MANAGE OFF-DUTY EMPLOYMENT. WHAT WE'RE DOING IN PLANO WITH OUR OFFICERS WORKING AT HOSPITALS AND SCHOOLS AND BANKS AND THINGS OF THAT NATURE, IS NOT UNIQUE. WE DON'T HAVE THE CAPABILITY TO DO THIS HERE. I MEAN, WE'RE HAVING TO WE'RE HAVING TO TAKE ON THAT COST INTERNALLY TO DO THIS, AND SO WE REACHED OUT TO THIS COMPANY, WHETHER 7%, 7.5% ACTUALLY, I THINK IS WHAT THEY'RE PAYING POTENTIALLY UP TO 8%. SO WHETHER THAT'S DRAMATICALLY EXPENSIVE OR NOT IS A MATTER OF OPINION, BUT THAT'S WHAT THE GOING RATE IS IN THE INDUSTRY FOR THIS TYPE OF A SERVICE, AND THAT'S WHAT WE WERE THAT'S WHAT WE WERE CHARGING. THERE ARE SOME WHO THOUGHT THAT WAS TOO HIGH, AND THEN THIS BODY AGREED TO COVER THE COST OF THAT IS HOW WE GOT HERE. THANK YOU, MAYOR, AND THANK YOU, CHIEF. SO JUST TO MAKE SURE THAT I'M REMEMBERING CORRECTLY. THIS IS 270,000 FOR SIX MONTHS, SO IT WOULD BE 540,000 ANNUALLY GOING FORWARD, CORRECT? YES, SIR. YEAH. THAT'S CORRECT, AND THE I REMEMBER THERE BEING A DISCUSSION ABOUT, YOU KNOW, OTHER VENDORS SAYING THAT THEY THOUGHT THAT THEY COULD DO THINGS LESS EXPENSIVELY, AND I KNOW THAT THERE WAS A TIME PERIOD WHERE ALL OF THOSE WERE LOOKED INTO, AND THEN THEN YOU KNOW, THERE WAS A DISCUSSION THAT MAYBE ONCE WE GOT INTO THIS, WE WOULD HAVE MORE DATA ABOUT WHAT OUR NEEDS WERE AND THAT MIGHT ENABLE US TO PUT OUT, YOU KNOW, A REQUEST FOR BID OF EXACTLY WHAT WE NEED. DO YOU THINK WE DO YOU THINK THE THREE MONTHS HAS GIVEN US ENOUGH EXPERIENCE THAT NOW WE COULD DEFINE? THESE ARE EXACTLY THE FEATURES WE NEED. THESE ARE, YOU KNOW, WHAT WE DON'T NEED OR I GUESS, DO WE HAVE A GOOD IDEA OF HOW WE'RE USING THIS AND WHAT WE NEED? YEAH, WE HAVE A GOOD IDEA OF HOW WE'RE USING THIS. WE HAVEN'T HAD I HAVEN'T HAD ANY COMPLAINTS FROM OFFICERS. YOU KNOW, WHEN WE INITIALLY STARTED, SOME OF THE OFFICERS WERE CONCERNED THAT THEY MAY LOSE CERTAIN JOBS. THAT'S BEEN OVERCOME, BUT NOW THAT WE'VE FULLY IMPLEMENTED THIS, I'M NOT HEARING OFFICERS SAYING THE SOFTWARE DOESN'T WORK. I'M NOT HEARING VENDORS COMPLAINING THAT OFFICERS ARE NOT SHOWING UP OR THINGS OF THAT NATURE, THAT THINGS ARE GETTING MISSED. SO THIS SYSTEM IS WORKING AS DESIGNED, AND IT'S NOT TAKING UP A LOT OF OUR STAFF TIME TO MANAGE THE SYSTEM. I HAVE ONE EMPLOYEE. WELL, I HAVE MORE THAN ONE THAT CAN GO IN AND SEE THE ADMINISTRATIVE DATA, BUT I'VE GOT ONE THAT'S DESIGNATED TO BE ABLE TO GO IN AND GO DO THAT AND BE THE LIAISON WITH THIS VENDOR, AND IT'S WORKING FINE. ONE OF THE, YOU KNOW, THERE ARE MAYBE THREE VENDORS IN THE COUNTRY THAT CAN DO THIS. I MEAN, WE, YOU KNOW, THAT'S IT, AND ON ONE OF THOSE, I'M NOT EVEN SURE IF THEY CAN MEET ONE OF OUR REQUIREMENTS, BECAUSE WE'RE FINDING OUT THAT HAVING TO CONTACT OUR VENDOR AFTER HOURS ON WEEKENDS, LATE AT NIGHT, IT'S JUST A REQUIREMENT SOMETIMES, AND WE'VE GOTTEN THESE PEOPLE ALWAYS ANSWER THE PHONE, AND ONE OF OUR VENDORS MAY NOT BE ABLE TO DO THAT WHICH IS GOING TO LEAVE US WITH TWO VENDORS, OURS AND ONE OTHER ONE. OKAY. GOTCHA. WELL, THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR THE INFORMATION ON THAT. SO AND BY THE WAY, SO I THINK WHAT WE SAID WAS THAT THE CITY IS GOING TO PAY THE COST FOR THE GRANDFATHERED EMPLOYERS. WHAT ABOUT THE NEW EMPLOYERS COMING ON? DO THEY PAY THE COST OF EDS, OR IS THE CITY PAYING THAT? THE 270 IS COVERING THE COST FOR EVERYBODY. OKAY. GOTCHA. AT THIS POINT. [00:15:01] OKAY. WELL, YOU KNOW, I DON'T KNOW IF THIS IS THE RIGHT TIME FOR A DISCUSSION OR I THINK, SHELBY HAS A QUESTION. OH, YEAH. SORRY, SORRY. GO AHEAD. SHELBY. THANK YOU, CHIEF. SO I'LL PREFACE BY SAYING I WAS ALWAYS IN FAVOR OF A TECHNOLOGICAL SOLUTION FOR THIS. THE CHALLENGE, AS MAYOR PRO TEM POINTED OUT, WAS IN THE SUDDEN INCREASE OF 10% TO A LOT OF THE COMMUNITY PARTNERS THAT HAVE BEEN PAYING FOR A WHILE, BUT WHEN WE HAD THIS DISCUSSION PREVIOUSLY AND RECOGNIZING THAT THERE WERE VERY FEW VENDORS WHO COULD PROVIDE THIS KIND OF SOLUTION WE HAD TALKED ABOUT EVALUATING THE ABILITY FOR THE ON DUTY SOLUTION, WHICH KIND OF CAME WITH THE PACKAGE WITH EDS TO DETERMINE WHETHER THAT WOULD MEET OUR NEEDS. IT WAS KIND OF THROWN IN, BUT WE DIDN'T KNOW WHETHER THAT WOULD MEET OUR NEEDS. SO WE HAD LOOKED AT THAT AND WE HEARD FROM ROLL CALL AS WELL, BUT HAVE WE DONE ANY KIND OF ANALYSIS IN THE PAST THREE MONTHS TO COMPARE THOSE SIDE BY SIDE? THAT'S WHERE I THINK WE HAD DISCUSSED HAVING AN ACTUAL RFP TO DETERMINE HOW THEY STACKED UP TO MEET OUR NEEDS FOR BOTH OFF DUTY AND ON DUTY. COUNCILMAN REAL QUICK, THE ON DUTY SIDE OF THINGS WE SHELVED DURING THIS PROCESS. SO I ASKED THE CHIEF NOT TO LOOK AT THAT AT THIS TIME UNTIL WE HAD AN OPPORTUNITY TO LOOK AT THE OFF DUTY SIDE OF THINGS, WHICH IS REALLY WHAT WE WERE FOCUSED ON WITH THAT PROJECT AND BRINGING IT FORWARD, AND DURING THAT DISCUSSION, THE TWO GOT KIND OF CONFLATED OR WIRED TOGETHER IN SOME WAYS, AND SO FOR THIS TRIAL PERIOD THAT WE WERE LOOKING AT, I ASK THAT WE NOT GO FORWARD WITH THE ON-DUTY ASPECT OF THINGS AT THIS TIME UNTIL WE KNEW FOR SURE KIND OF WHERE THE OFF DUTY. SIDE OF THINGS WERE. SO THE CHIEF CAN ANSWER FOR HIMSELF, BUT I WANTED TO LET YOU KNOW THAT I DID GIVE THAT DIRECTION SO THAT WE WEREN'T CONFLATING THE TWO AND WE WEREN'T BASICALLY, JUDGING THE EFFICACY OF THE OFF DUTY ASPECT BASED UPON THE ON DUTY SOLUTIONS. THAT'S WHAT I WAS GOING TO SAY, EXACTLY THAT. [CHUCKLING] THANK YOU. MAYOR. OH I'M SORRY, RICK. GO AHEAD. OH THAT'S OKAY. I WAS JUST LISTENING TO A VERY GOOD DISCUSSION SO FAR. CHIEF, JUST A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS FOR YOU. CONTRACTUALLY, WHAT ARE WE LOOKING AT HERE? IS THIS A MULTIYEAR CONTRACT THAT WE'RE BEING ASKED TO LOOK AT, OR IS IT A ONE YEAR CONTRACT WITH RIGHT OF EXTENSION AND THEN IF IT'S MULTI-YEAR, WHAT ARE OUR OPTIONS IF, FOR WHATEVER REASON, LET'S SAY AFTER YEAR ONE OR AFTER GETTING YEAR TWO, THEY DECIDE THEY NEEDED TO DOUBLE THEIR COST TO US FOR PROVIDING THE SERVICE. WHAT ARE OUR OPTIONS TO MAKE A CHANGE? WE'VE HAD A CONTRACT WITH EDS FOR MORE THAN A YEAR NOW, SO WE CAN AND I DON'T REMEMBER THE NUMBER OF DAYS, BUT THERE ARE SO MANY DAYS. WE JUST HAVE TO LET THEM KNOW. SAME WITH US. THEY NEED TO LET US KNOW THAT THEY DON'T WANT TO FULFILL THE CONTRACT AND WE'RE OUT OF IT. SO SO WHEN THIS SIX MONTH PERIOD IS UP, IF WE DON'T WANT TO GO FORWARD, WE JUST LET THE COMPANY KNOW, OKAY. SO IT'S BASICALLY IT'S A AT WILL TYPE OF A CONTRACT THAT WE HAVE. WE DON'T HAVE A PARTICULAR TERM THAT WE'RE COMMITTING TO. YEAH WE'RE PAST THAT POINT. YES. OKAY. GREAT. THANKS, CHIEF. SO I KNOW THEY'VE BEEN DOING IT LONGER, BUT THIS THREE MONTH PERIOD, I THINK I'D LIKE TO I'D LIKE TO SEE IT A LITTLE LONGER BEFORE WE, YOU KNOW, DECIDE AND MAKE SURE THINGS ARE PRETTY RELATIVE TO WHAT WE'VE HEARD TONIGHT AND BE ABLE TO, YOU KNOW, LOOK AT IT A WHILE LONGER TO MAKE SURE THAT THE DATA IS WHAT, WHAT WE WERE HOPING FOR, AND I THAT'S JUST MY SUGGESTION, BUT I THINK THREE MONTHS IS PRETTY SHORT TO, TO MAKE ANY, YOU KNOW, REAL CHANGE DECISIONS. SURE, AND IF I MAY, MAYOR, WHAT I WAS GOING TO SUGGEST IS THAT AND MAYBE WE NEED MORE TIME, MORE DATA. I THINK I THINK THAT'S FINE, BUT AT SOME POINT BEFORE WE GET AT THE END OF THIS SIX MONTHS DO YOU THINK IT'S STILL GOING TO BE THAT KIND OF AT WILL CONTRACT THAT COUNCILMEM BER SMITH WAS, WAS ASKING ABOUT, YOU KNOW, IS IT STILL GOING TO BE DO YOU THINK WE'RE GOING TO GET LOCKED IN AT THE END OF THIS SIX MONTHS, OR YOU MEAN LOCKED IN FOR ANOTHER SIX MONTHS, LOCKED IN FOR, YOU KNOW, ONE YEAR OR FIVE YEARS? OR IS IT STILL GOING TO BE THAT SAME KIND OF STRUCTURE, LIKE WE CAN JUST GIVE A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF NOTICE AND YEAH, NO. YEAH, WE CAN WE CAN EXTEND OUR CONTRACT AND JUST LIKE LIKE WE HAVE BEEN DOING. YEAH. WE WON'T BE LOCKED IN FOR ANY LONG TERM TERM DEAL. YEAH. NO, NOT AT ALL. GOTCHA. THEN I THINK IT WOULD MAKE SENSE TO GATHER A LITTLE MORE DATA, BUT I WOULD LIKE TO SEE US AT SOME POINT HAVE A FORMAL RFP OR RFP PROCESS, BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, I REMEMBER DURING THIS PROCESS, WE HAD, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE COMING IN LIKE, WE HAD A REPRESENTATIVE FROM ROLL CALL WHO CAME IN AND IT WASN'T THE TIME OR PLACE FOR THEM TO, YOU KNOW, MAKE THAT KIND OF A PITCH, BUT, YOU KNOW, I WOULD JUST LOVE TO SEE THEM AND ANYONE ELSE WHO'S INTERESTED TO BE ABLE TO COME IN AND SAY, HERE'S HOW WE COULD COMPETE, AND IF WE CAN CHECK THE SAME BOXES FOR LESS, YOU KNOW, THEN THAT'S GREAT. [00:20:01] YEAH. YEAH, AND SO I WILL TELL YOU, ROLL CALL HAD AN OPPORTUNITY TO DO THAT WITH US, AND WE SELECTED EDS FOR US TO GO THROUGH AN RFP PROCESS WITH THIS AND, AND NOT CONTINUE THIS PROCESS AFTER DECEMBER UNTIL THE NEW YEAR WOULD BE. I CANNOT DESCRIBE HOW DISRUPTIVE IT WOULD BE BECAUSE WE CAN'T GO BACK. I'VE ALREADY CHANGED MY SERGEANTS. WE CAN'T GO BACK. I MEAN, WE HAVE TO CONTINUE ON, AND THIS CAN'T BE SOMETHING LIKE, OKAY, WE'RE USING THIS CAMERA SYSTEM TODAY, AND NOW WE'RE GOING TO USE THIS ONE TOMORROW, AND THEN WE CAN CONTINUE TO USE THIS OTHER ONE, YOU KNOW, TO PULL A VIDEO. WE CAN'T DO THAT. WE WOULD HAVE TO STOP THE SERVICE, AND THEN NOW WE'VE GOT TO GO THROUGH ALL THAT PAIN AGAIN. IT TOOK US FROM JUNE UNTIL APRIL TO BE ABLE TO GET THIS SET UP. NOW, IT WOULDN'T TAKE US THAT LONG AGAIN, I THINK, BECAUSE NOW WE KNOW SOME THINGS. WE KNOW WHAT TO ASK FOR, BUT IT IS IT IS A VERY AND NOW AND WE'VE GOT TO GO THROUGH, WE'VE GOT TO SEND LETTERS TO ALL THESE DIFFERENT EMPLOYERS. AGAIN, IT WOULD BE A BEATDOWN TO HAVE TO CHANGE FOR YOU KNOW, AT MOST WE'RE GOING TO GET MAYBE, YOU KNOW YOU KNOW, FIVE, YOU KNOW, 50 BASIS POINTS, MAYBE DIFFERENT HALF OF A PERCENTAGE POINT DIFFERENCE OUT OF THIS BECAUSE ALL THE GUYS ARE DOING THE SAME. THEY HAVE, YOU KNOW, FOR THEM TO FRONT THE MONEY, THAT'S THE BIGGEST COST THAT THEY HAVE TO DO QUITE FRANKLY, AND WE NEED THEM TO FRONT THE MONEY BECAUSE WE NEED TO GET OUT OF THE CASH PAYING BUSINESS. WE NEED TO GET OUT OF OFFICERS GETTING PAID BY EMPLOYERS. SO I NEED THE COMPANIES TO DO THAT, AND THERE'S A CERTAIN AMOUNT THAT MONEY COSTS FOR THEM TO BE ABLE TO DO IT. OTHERWISE, THE TECHNOLOGY IS NOT VERY DRASTICALLY DIFFERENT BETWEEN THE COMPANIES, THE TWO BIGGEST COMPANIES OUT THERE ON A NATIONWIDE BASIS. WE HAVE ONE HERE NOW, AND I USE THE OTHER ONE AT MY PREVIOUS ASSIGNMENT, AND I'M VERY FAMILIAR WITH BOTH OF THEM, AND THEY'RE GOING TO COME IN AT ABOUT THE SAME AMOUNT OF MONEY FOR THE SAME SERVICE. OKAY, GOTCHA. WELL, AND BY THE WAY, I AM ABSOLUTELY CONVINCED THAT WE NEED THIS FOR THE REASONS THAT YOU'VE ARTICULATED. I MEAN, I THINK YOU'VE REALLY STUDIED THIS, CHIEF, AND I THINK WE NEED TO DO THIS. I JUST, YOU KNOW, THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF INFORMATION FLOATING AROUND. SO I THOUGHT AT SOME POINT I WOULD JUST LOVE TO PERSONALLY UNDERSTAND BETTER, YOU KNOW, WHAT ALL OF THE OPTIONS AND THE PROS AND CONS ARE. ONLY ONE VENDOR CAME IN AND ATTEMPTED TO MAKE A PITCH TO YOU GUYS. IF ALL OF THE VENDORS CAME IN, THEY WOULD ALL MAKE A VERY CONVINCING PITCH, I CAN ASSURE YOU, AND WE LISTENED TO THOSE PITCHES AND WE SELECTED EDS. WELL, THANK YOU SO MUCH, AND THERE WAS NO ONE THAT AND THERE WAS NO ONE AT THE TIME THAT HAD A LOWER FEE THAN EDS. OKAY. WELL, AND THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR THAT, CHIEF. I APPRECIATE YOUR DILIGENCE ON THAT. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU, CHIEF. YOU MENTIONED ONE JUST A MINUTE AGO. WAS IT MAYBE FIVE MINUTES AGO YOU SAID WE HAD THE ABILITY TO BACK AWAY FROM THIS CONTRACT, AND THEY ALSO HAD THE ABILITY TO BACK AWAY FROM THIS CONTRACT. YOU JUST I MEAN, YOU JUST SAID THAT A COUPLE OF MINUTES AGO. IF THEY BACKED AWAY FROM THIS CONTRACT, WHAT WOULD HAPPEN? HOW WOULD WE GO ABOUT SUPPLYING OFF DUTY OFFICERS TO OUR GRANDFATHERED INSTITUTIONS AND THE ONE TIME INSTITUTIONS? WILL WE GO BACK TO THE SYSTEM WE HAVE NOW? I THINK FOR THE OH, I'M SORRY. GO AHEAD SIR. OR WILL WE USE SOME TYPE OF USE THE SYSTEM THAT YOU'RE USING NOW, BUT SOMEHOW THE SOFTWARE MODIFY IT TO SERVE PLANO OR WOULD YOU GO OUT FOR ANOTHER PROCUREMENT? OH WELL, YEAH. ASSUMING THAT WELL, NUMBER ONE, IF WE'RE TALKING ABOUT WHETHER THE COUNCIL, WHETHER THE CITY IS GOING TO PAY VERSUS WE'RE GOING TO HAVE THE EMPLOYERS PAY WOULD BE ONE THING I'D HAVE TO TAKE INTO CONSIDERATION, BUT YES, I WOULD WANT TO GO OUT AND LOOK FOR ANOTHER VENDOR TO DO THIS FOR SURE, AND WE COULD SURVIVE. I MEAN, IT WOULD BE DISRUPTIVE, AS I SAID, BUT I THINK FOR OUR LONG TERM EMPLOYERS, IT WOULD BE LESS DISRUPTIVE. BECAUSE A LOT OF THOSE OFFICERS WHO ARE WORKING THERE NOW WERE ALREADY WORKING THAT JOB BEFORE WE STARTED. SO FOR THOSE EMPLOYERS, WE DIDN'T MAKE A WHOLE LOT OF CHANGES. THEY DON'T HAVE MOST OF THEM DON'T HAVE COORDINATORS NOW BECAUSE THEY DON'T NEED A COORDINATOR, BUT THE CHURCHES HAVE COORDINATORS. THOSE ARE A LITTLE BIT MORE COMPLEX BECAUSE OF THE TRAFFIC DIRECTION SITUATION AND JUST BECAUSE OF THE UNIQUE THINGS WITH OUR FAITH BASED COMMUNITY, AND OUR HOSPITALS ALSO HAVE A UNIQUE SITUATION. THEY'VE GOT AN INFRASTRUCTURE IN PLACE WITH THIS THAT WILL CONTINUE ON FINE. THE PIECE THAT WOULD BE MORE DIFFICULT ARE THE CALL IN JOBS WHERE THEY NEED I NEED SOMEBODY FOR MY WEDDING. I NEED, YOU KNOW, BECAUSE I'VE, YOU KNOW, GOT JUST IT'S A DIFFERENT CHARGE IS GOING TO BE TAKING THAT CALL EVERY DAY, AND THAT'S WHY THAT WOULD BE A LITTLE CONFUSING, BUT WE WOULD WORK IT OUT UNTIL WE GOT A NEW VENDOR. OKAY. I SPEAKING FROM THE EXPERIENCE THAT I HAVE WITH OUR CHURCHES, TYPICALLY THEY PAY OUT IN CHECKS WITH A 1099. THAT'S HOW THEY PROCESS IT. I'D LIKE TO GET A BIT OF UNDERSTANDING ABOUT THIS CASH PAYOUT. DOES THAT HAPPEN DURING THE ONE TIME EVENTS FOR LIKE A WEDDING OR WHAT IS WHAT IS THE CIRCUMSTANCE THAT WE HAVE THE ONE CUSTOMER THAT'S PAYING CASH. TYPICALLY THEY'RE FOR CALL-IN ASSIGNMENTS. TYPICALLY FOR CALL-IN ONE-TIME ASSIGNMENTS AND THE JOB WILL GO OUT AND THE SERGEANT WILL STAY ON THE JOB. YEAH, CASH AT THE END OF THE JOB. I MEAN, THAT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT'S UNIQUE THAT WE SAW OR AN OFFICER WHO WAS SCHEDULED TO WORK THE JOB. NOW THEY CAN'T THEY NEED SOMEONE TO TAKE THEIR PLACE. THEY'LL SEND A MASS EMAIL OUT, HEY, I NEED SOMEBODY TO WORK THIS CASH AT THE END OF THE JOB. THAT'S CERTAINLY NOT ALL JOBS, BUT IT'S NOT UNCOMMON TO GET PAID CASH AT THE END OF A JOB, AND OFFICERS SOME OFFICERS PREFER TO GET OR THEY PREFERRED TO GET PAID IN CASH AT THE [00:25:06] END OF JOBS. SO DOES THAT WHAT TYPE OF JOB IS THAT? TYPICALLY THE ONE TIME CALL-IN WHERE THEY PAY CASH. OH, IT COULD BE A WEDDING. IT COULD BE ANY KIND OF AN EVENT. YOU KNOW, THERE ARE SOME OF THE EVENTS AT THE EVENT CENTER, AT OUR EVENT CENTER, EVEN THOUGH THE EVENT CENTER IS A CITY FACILITY. WHOEVER IS RENTING THAT FACILITY ACTUALLY PAYS THOSE OFFICERS. THAT ONE DOESN'T COME ON THEIR CITY CHECK LIKE THEY DO FOR ONE OF OUR OFFICIAL SPECIAL EVENTS THAT WE DO, SOME OF THOSE JOBS ARE IN CASH. YES, ABSOLUTELY NOT UNCOMMON AT ALL. THANK YOU. YES, SIR. SO, MAYOR AND COUNCIL, COUNCILMAN WILLIAMS MENTIONED THE OTHER FEATURE THAT'S BEEN OPTIONED THAT WE HAVE NOT LOOKED AT. I THINK IF WE ARE GOING TO GIVE A LITTLE BIT MORE TIME OF GATHERING DATA, THIS WOULD BE AN APPROPRIATE TIME ALSO TO GIVE THE CHIEF THE GREEN LIGHT TO LOOK AT THE ON DUTY FEATURE THAT EXTRA DUTY SOLUTIONS HAS HAD. SO IF COUNCIL IS OKAY WITH THAT WAY WE'RE EVALUATING THE ENTIRETY OF THE OF THE TECHNOLOGY SOLUTION, AND MARK, I JUST WANTED TO SAY COUNCILMEMBER RICCIARDELLI, YOU MENTIONED THAT SOME OF THEM CAME IN AND THEY SAID THEY COULD DO IT AT A LOWER COST. AGAIN, WE HAVE TO DO EVERYTHING ON AN APPLES TO APPLES COMPARISON. THEY CAN'T SAY THEY'RE GOING TO DO IT ON A LOWER COST BUT THEY'RE NOT GOING TO DO THIS PIECE OVER HERE THAT WE THINK IS IMPORTANT, AND SO THAT'S AN ISSUE AS WELL. IT'S GOT TO BE ON AN APPLES TO APPLES COMPARISON FOR SURE. I COMPLETELY AGREE, IT'S GOT TO BE APPLES TO APPLES BECAUSE ANYBODY COULD, YOU KNOW, COULD DO IT CHEAPER BY DOING LESS. EXACTLY. I UNDERSTAND THAT, SO THANK YOU FOR MAKING THAT POINT, CHIEF. I WAS JUST GOING TO ASK ON THE POINT ABOUT EVALUATING EXTRA DUTY SOLUTIONS ON DUTY SOLUTION. IF WE START TO IMPLEMENT THAT AND TRY IT OUT. YOU MENTIONED THAT ON THE OFF DUTY SOLUTION IT TOOK, I THINK YOU SAID JUNE TO APRIL TO KIND OF RAMP UP TO IMPLEMENT THAT. IF WE START IMPLEMENTING THE ON DUTY SOLUTION FROM EXTRA DUTY SOLUTIONS, WILL WE HAVE A SIMILAR SITUATION WHERE WE'VE PUT A LOT OF WORK INTO THAT, AND IT WOULD BE VERY DISRUPTIVE TO THEN LOOK AT OTHER VENDORS FOR THAT SOLUTION OR. YEAH, ANY ON DUTY SOLUTION IS GOING TO BE VERY LABOR INTENSIVE, BECAUSE YOU'VE GOT TO GO IN AND TAKE ALL THOSE EMPLOYEES, AND YOU GOT TO MATCH UP WHO THEIR SUPERVISORS ARE AND THE PHONE NUMBERS AND MAKE SURE THAT'S RIGHT. THERE'S JUST A LOT OF DETAIL. ONCE YOU GET IT SET UP, THEN IT'S GOOD, BUT IT JUST TAKES A LOT OF TIME AND WE DON'T HAVE ANYBODY DESIGNATED TO DO THAT, AND SO YOU'VE GOT THE PRIMARILY THE ADMINISTRATIVE ASSISTANTS IN EACH ONE OF MY DIVISIONS WOULD PROBABLY BE THE PERSON, THE PEOPLE THAT WOULD BE WORKING ON THAT, AND THEY'VE GOT OTHER THINGS THEY'VE GOT TO DO JUST TO KIND OF DO IT WHEN THEY CAN, TO GET THE PEOPLE IN THEIR DIVISION AND THEIR UNIT IMPLEMENTED INTO THAT SYSTEM AND IT WOULD TAKE A WHILE, BUT YEAH, THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR THAT INFORMATION, CHIEF, AND THE REASON I ASKED IS BECAUSE I THINK IF WE'RE GOING TO, YOU KNOW, IF WE'RE ALMOST GOING TO GET LOCKED IN JUST BY EVALUATING, BY THE TIME WE'VE SET UP AND WE'VE STARTED USING THIS TO SEE IF IT WORKS WELL FOR US, THEN I THINK WE ACTUALLY HAVE TO DO THE RFP OR THE RFP ON THE FRONT END BEFORE BEFORE WE, YOU KNOW, PUT SO MUCH OF OUR OWN TIME INTO IMPLEMENTING A SOLUTION. I THINK THAT'S IMPLEMENTATION. I ASKED FOR EVALUATION. OKAY, WE'RE JUST WANTING TO EVALUATE. BY EVALUATION, I THOUGHT YOU MEANT TRY IT OUT AND SEE HOW IT WORKS. NOT NECESSARILY. OKAY, I SEE WHAT YOU'RE SAYING. SHELBY. YES. I THINK IT'S WORTH EVALUATING, NOT NECESSARILY IMPLEMENTING YET, BECAUSE WHEN WE FIRST EVALUATED THE OFF DUTY SOLUTION, THE FREEBIE OF THE ON DUTY WAS PRESENTED AS A BENEFIT, AND I THINK IT MAKES SENSE TO ISOLATE THE ON DUTY FROM THE OFF DUTY FOR EVALUATION OF THE OFF DUTY, AND BUT IT WASN'T SHELVED INDEFINITELY, AND SO I SEE THE POSSIBILITY THAT IN THE FUTURE, WHEN WE'RE READY FOR AN ON DUTY SOLUTION, WE SAY, OH, WELL, WE ALREADY HAVE THIS. SO THAT'S WHERE I THINK IT DOES MAKE SENSE TO GO AHEAD AND EVALUATE THAT AND THE PROSPECTIVE OPTIONS. NOW BEFORE WE GO TOO FAR DOWN THE RABBIT HOLE. ALL RIGHT, ALL RIGHT EVERYBODY OKAY WITH THAT. ALL RIGHT. THANKS, CHIEF. THANKS GUYS. APPRECIATE IT. OKAY. NEXT ITEM, ITEM FOUR. DART UPDATE AND DISCUSSION, ANDREW. GOOD EVENING. MAYOR AND COUNCIL, ANDREW FORTUNE, DIRECTOR OF POLICY AND GOVERNMENT RELATIONS. LET ME SEE IF I CAN GET THE SLIDE TO ADVANCE. ALL RIGHT. REAL QUICK, THIS EVENING I WANTED TO UPDATE YOU ALL COLLECTIVELY, THIS BODY ON A FEW MEETINGS THAT HAVE HAPPENED IN RELATION TO OUR DART PRIORITY IDENTIFIED FOR COUNCIL. THE RTC RECENTLY HAD A SPIRITED DISCUSSION RELATED TO THE DART ISSUE AND THEIR LEGISLATIVE AGENDA UPCOMING. AS A RESULT OF THAT, MICHAEL MORRIS WITH THE COG HAS ENCOURAGED THE MEMBER CITIES, THE SIX OF US WHO HAVE PASSED RESOLUTIONS TO GET TOGETHER WITH HIM AND TO COMMUNICATE SOME OF OUR CONCERNS. SO IN THAT SPIRIT, ALL OF THE MAYORS FROM THE SIX CITIES MET. MARK AND I JOINED MAYOR MUNS IN IRVING. IRVING HOSTED US WITH MICHAEL MORRIS AS WELL AS ADDISON, A SEVENTH CITY WHO HAS NOT PASSED A RESOLUTION BUT HAS BEEN INVOLVED IN THE CONVERSATION. AS AN ACTION ITEM OUT OF THAT MEETING, MICHAEL MORRIS HAS ASKED EACH CITY TO ADVANCE THROUGH THE FORM OF A LETTER, SOME OF OUR TOP PRIORITIES THAT WE WOULD LIKE TO SEE FROM [00:30:02] DART AND SO WE WANTED TO BRING THIS FORWARD WITH ALL THE DISCUSSIONS WE'VE HAD ON THIS TOPIC, SO THAT THE COUNCIL HAS EYES ON THIS BEFORE WE SEND THAT LETTER. OF THOSE THREE, WHAT I'LL CALL PRIORITY ITEMS. ONE IS THIS IDEA OF A GENERAL MOBILITY PROGRAM THAT WE'VE TALKED ABOUT IN THE FORM OF A REBATE OF 25% OF OUR SALES TAX CONTRIBUTIONS. FOR PLANO, THAT WOULD BE JUST UNDER $30 MILLION. AN A LA CARTE MODEL IS SOMETHING THAT WE CONSISTENTLY HAVE HEARD FROM THIS BODY, AND WE BELIEVE FROM A STAFF PERSPECTIVE WOULD WORK BEST 41 YEARS AFTER THE CREATION OF DART, AND THAT REALLY IS LOOKING AT A RESPONSIVE MODEL WHERE VIA UBER MICROTRANSIT SERVICES MAY WORK BETTER THAN A BUS OR VICE VERSA, THAT WE REALLY TAKE THAT APPROACH A LITTLE MORE PROACTIVELY IN CONCERT WITH DART, AND FINALLY, A LEGACY WEST CIRCULATOR OR SHUTTLE. GIVEN THE LARGE CONCENTRATION OF THE BUSINESS COMMUNITY AND THE WALKABILITY AND DRIVABILITY ISSUES THAT WE MAY ENCOUNTER OUT THERE WITH THAT MANY PEOPLE. WE WANTED TO HIGHLIGHT THOSE THREE AS OUR REQUEST ITEMS FROM DART IN THE IMMEDIATE FUTURE. THAT IS NOT TO SAY THAT OUR UNDERSTANDING ON DIRECTION OF MOVING FORWARD WITH OUR LEGISLATIVE PROGRAM HAS CHANGED, BUT IN THE IMMEDIATE FUTURE, WE DO BELIEVE, GIVEN THE EY STUDY, THAT PLANO SHOULD HAVE SOME OF THESE. CAN I ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS, ANY CONCERNS, ANYTHING THAT YOU'D LIKE AMENDED? YES, MA'AM. SO DON'T WE ALREADY HAVE NUMBER THREE? NO, MA'AM. NO, WE HAVE NO. GOLINK DOES NOT OPERATE AS A DEDICATED CIRCULATOR FOR THE LEGACY BUSINESS AREA. DART HAS ACTUALLY PARTNERED IN WEST DALLAS TO HAVE THINGS THAT ARE A LITTLE BIT LARGER THAN GOLF CARTS DEDICATED TO A SPECIFIC AREA TO GET PEOPLE IN AND AROUND THAT AREA. SO WHEN WE'RE TALKING WITH SOME OF THE PEOPLE MOVING IN, WHETHER IT IS GOING, YOU KNOW, A 10 TO 15 MINUTE WALK TO THE TO THE RETAIL AND THE RESTAURANTS, THE ISSUE THAT WE HAVE IS WE DON'T HAVE DEDICATED DEDICATED SHUTTLES ACTUALLY DEDICATED TO THE LEGACY BUSINESS PARK, AND THE IDEA IS, IS ONCE PEOPLE DRIVE INTO THE BUSINESS PARK, THEY SHOULD NOT HAVE TO GET BACK IN THEIR CAR TO GO HAVE LUNCH, TO GO TO A MEETING AT A DIFFERENT BUILDING, THAT IT SHOULD BE DEDICATED TO THAT SPECIFIC AREA. SO GO LINK BY ITSELF DOESN'T PROVIDE THE FREQUENCY OR THE ACCESS POINT TO BE ABLE TO OFFER THIS, IT NEEDS TO BE A MORE ROBUST SERVICE IS I THINK WHAT THE IDEA WAS AND I MIGHT ADD, I MIGHT ADD ON TO THAT GOLINK IN CONTRAST TO A SERVICE LIKE VIA THAT ARLINGTON AND GRAND PRAIRIE USE, GO LINK IS LIMITED TO SPECIFIC ZONES WITHIN OUR CITY, SO YOU'D HAVE TO GET OUT OF THE GOLINK VEHICLE, HOP INTO ANOTHER, AND THEN GO ON. YEAH, I JUST THOUGHT AT ONE POINT WHEN TOYOTA FIRST CAME, WE DID HAVE SOME SHUTTLES THAT WERE GOING FROM TOYOTA OVER TO LEGACY WEST. SO DID THAT STOP? I'D HAVE TO GO BACK BECAUSE RIGHT NOW WE DO NOT HAVE THAT CIRCULATOR. SO MAYBE IT WAS THERE AT A TIME AND IS NOT THERE, AND WE WOULD LIKE THAT BACK, BUT WE WOULD LIKE IT JUST PERFORMING LOOPS AND CIRCLES ON A, YOU KNOW, TEN MINUTE HEADWAYS IF YOU WILL, TO THAT AREA, BUT FOR US THERE'S A CRITICAL VALUE TO BE ABLE TO HAVE THAT. SO YOUR IDEA IS A GOOD ONE. WE REALLY LIKE THAT, AND SO THAT'S NUMBER THREE. SO WE THERE ARE LIKE LV 29. THE HIGH RISE HOUSING, THEY HAVE THEIR OWN SHUTTLE, AND SO THEY'LL MOVE SOME OF THEIR RESIDENTS OVER TO LEGACY WEST, AND SOME OF THE OTHERS WILL DO THAT. WE'RE TRYING TO MAKE THAT WHERE IT GOES ALL THE WAY INTO OUR BUSINESS AREA AND COMES INTO LEGACY WEST, SHOPS AT LEGACY. I KNOW THERE'S MORE THAN THESE, BUT MR. MORRIS IS IS ASKED US TO PRESENT THESE THINGS TO CARRY TO THE DART BOARD AND AS A REPRESENTATIVE OF RTC, NOT SO MUCH THE MEMBER CITIES, BUT THE MEMBER CITIES ARE LETTING MICHAEL TAKE THESE TO THE DART BOARD. SO WE'RE HOPING THIS ALTERNATIVE PROCEDURE WILL WILL HE HE THINKS HE CAN HELP. SO I'M ALL EARS. WELL, YES. OKAY. SO ALL I CARE ABOUT IS THAT WHATEVER OVERLY SUBSIDIZED MONEY THAT WE HAVE PROVIDED TO DART IN THE YEARS THAT WE'VE HAD HAD DART SERVICE IN WHICH ALMOST OVER 75% OF OUR FUNDS FROM THAT 1% SALES TAX IS REALLY SUBSIDIZING OTHER CITIES. I JUST WANT TO SEE SOME OF THAT BACK NOW, BECAUSE PLANO REALLY NEED THAT MONEY FOR OTHER COMPETITIONS THAT WE HAVE IN OUR OWN CITY, AND THAT'S THE ONLY POINT. YOU KNOW, WE COULD BE ALL FLOWERY AND SWEET AND TALKING ABOUT ALL THESE THINGS, BUT REALLY, DART REALLY NEED TO UNDERSTAND THAT WE NEED. WE, YOU KNOW, IF THEY'RE GOING TO SPEND OUR SALES TAX, THEY NEED TO PROVIDE THE SERVICES THAT'S REQUIRED FOR US TO FEEL LIKE THAT $0.01 SALES [00:35:06] TAX IS BEING USED PROPERLY BECAUSE THAT IS OUR RESIDENTS MONEY, AND IF WE'RE ONLY GETTING 25% OF THE BENEFIT OF THAT $0.01, THEN THE OTHER 75%, WHAT THEY SHOULD DEFINITELY THINK ABOUT HOW THEY SHOULD REFUND THAT TO US. ANTHONY. THANK YOU MAYOR. WELL, FIRST, MAYOR, I WANT TO THANK YOU FOR YOUR LEADERSHIP ON THIS ISSUE AND YOURS, MARK AND SHELBY AND ANDREW. THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR EVERYTHING YOU ALL ARE DOING. I THINK A COUPLE OTHER THINGS THAT ARE THAT ARE KIND OF, YOU KNOW, FRONT BURNER ITEMS LIKE THIS. ONE WOULD BE HOW DO WE GET TRANSIT CONNECTIONS, IF AT ALL POSSIBLE, TO OTHER COLLIN COUNTY CITIES, CITIES TO OUR NORTH? BECAUSE I THINK THAT, YOU KNOW, DART WAS FOUNDED IN 1983, THE YEAR THAT A COUPLE OF US ON THE COUNCIL WERE BORN AND SO--I DON'T KNOW IF I SHOULD HAVE SAID THAT. ANYWAY, I SAID IT SO BUT, YOU KNOW, SO IT'S BEEN AROUND FOR A WHILE AND NEEDS HAVE CHANGED OVER THAT TIME. I MEAN, DART WAS BASED ON KIND OF A HUB AND SPOKE MODEL, RIGHT? WHERE PEOPLE WENT TO OR FROM DALLAS, YOU KNOW, FOR WORK. MAYBE THEY LIVED IN PLANO BUT WORKED IN DALLAS. PLANO IS NOW A NET IMPORTER OF JOBS, YOU KNOW, DURING THE DAY. SO OUR NEEDS ARE VERY DIFFERENT THAN THEY WERE IN 1983, AND I THINK THAT, YOU KNOW, FOR DART TO BE USEFUL TO PLANO, DART NEEDS TO CATCH UP WITH THE TIMES AND THE CURRENT SITUATION THAT EXISTS ON THE GROUND. SO PART OF THAT IS, YOU KNOW, ADJUSTING TO PLANO'S NEW IDENTITY AS A NET IMPORTER OF JOBS DURING THE WORKDAY, NOT A BEDROOM COMMUNITY WHERE PEOPLE, YOU KNOW, LEAVE AND GO TO DALLAS TO WORK, BUT ALSO, YOU KNOW, THE REALITY OF GROWTH IN COLLIN COUNTY, WITH PROJECTIONS FOR COLLIN COUNTY TO BE 3 MILLION PEOPLE BY 2050, A LOT OF PEOPLE WHO LIVE IN PLANO MAY WORK TO THE NORTH OF US, OR PEOPLE WORK IN PLANO, BUT LIVE TO THE NORTH OF US, AND IF WE'RE GOING TO HAVE USEFUL PUBLIC TRANSIT, IT'S GOING TO HAVE TO SOMEHOW TAKE INTO ACCOUNT THE REST OF COLLIN COUNTY TO THE NORTH OF US AND SO I DON'T KNOW HOW DART CAN CHANGE ITS VALUE PROPOSITION TO BECOME, YOU KNOW, ATTRACTIVE TO CITIES TO THE NORTH OF US, BUT I THINK THAT'S A KEY PIECE OF IT, AND WITHOUT THAT, IT WILL BE IMPOSSIBLE FOR DART TO DELIVER ADEQUATE VALUE TO THE CITY OF PLANO. SHELBY. I THINK THAT'S BEEN PART OF THE THING WE'VE DISCUSSED CONSISTENTLY IS THAT THE MODEL AND I AGREE, NUMBER TWO HERE, WE NEED A BETTER MODEL, BUT NOT JUST FOR PLANO, BECAUSE IT'S NOT GOING TO WORK LONG TERM IF OTHER CITIES CONTINUE TO WANT TO NOT JOIN, BUT THE ENTIRE SYSTEM HAS TO REFORM AND CHANGE SO THAT OTHER CITIES ACTUALLY WANT TO JOIN, THE VALUE PROPOSITION HAS TO BE THERE, AND I FULLY AGREE WITH MAYOR PRO TEM ABOUT THE VALUE WE'RE GETTING, AND EVEN THOUGH WE'RE LOSING A LOT OF THE ACTUAL MONEY, WE'RE PUTTING IN A LOT OF THEM INTO THE DART SYSTEM, A LOT OF THE MONEY THAT IS ACTUALLY BEING SPENT IN PLANO IS BEING SPENT POORLY IN PLANO BECAUSE NOT ONLY DO OTHER CITIES NOT WANT TO BECOME MEMBERS, PEOPLE DON'T WANT TO RIDE IT EITHER. ALL RIGHT, WE HAVE OUR DIRECTION. OH. YES, SIR. JUST REAL QUICK. I WAS AROUND IN 83 WHEN THIS WAS VOTED AND I WAS AN ADULT, [CHUCKLING] AND I ALSO REMEMBER I ALSO REMEMBER ALLEN MCKINNEY, AND FRISCO NOT VOTING FOR DART. OKAY. THEY CHOSE NOT TO PLAY. THAT'S THEIR, SHAME ON THEM. IF THEY WANT TO PLAY NOW, THAT'S SOMETHING THAT HAS TO BE ADDRESSED. THE NORTH CENTRAL TEXAS COUNCIL OF GOVERNMENT FULLY UNDERSTANDS WE HAVE A MOBILITY PROBLEM IN THE 16 COUNTIES. OKAY. WE UNDERSTAND THAT RTC IS PART OF THAT. THE MAYOR, HIS CHARTER IS TO SERVE PLANO. OUR CHARTER IS TO SERVE PLANO. I LOVE ALLEN, LOVE MCKINNEY, BUT THAT'S NOT PART OF MY RESPONSIBILITY. IT'S NOT PART OF YOUR RESPONSIBILITY. OUR ISSUE HERE NOW IS WITH DART IS THAT WE NEED TO SEE MORE VALUE THAT THE CITY TAXPAYERS ARE PAYING TO HELP THE MOBILITY WITHIN THE CITY OF PLANO, AND IF THE BORDER STOPS AT 121, SO BE IT, BUT MY POINT BEING HERE IS WHAT WE'RE GOING WITH THIS LETTER HERE IS GOING TO HELP US WITH HELP. MR. MORRIS, PRESENT OUR CASE TO DART AND SAYING, LOOK, WE GOT TO HAVE ANOTHER ALTERNATIVE BESIDES EMPTY BUSSES, AND THAT'S WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO GET, AND THEN THE SECOND ASPECT TIED TO THIS, ESPECIALLY IF WE HAVE SOMETHING LIKE WHAT VIA IS DOING, IS IF FROM AN ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT PERSPECTIVE, IF WE'RE ABLE TO HAVE A CIRCULAR ROUTE BETWEEN EDS, THE RESEARCH CORRIDOR WHERE CANES IS GOING, WHERE WE'RE HOPING ADDITIONAL BUSINESSES ARE GOING TO DEVELOP AND MAKE IT EASY FOR THEM TO SHOP AND EAT IN SHOPS AT LEGACY AND LEGACY WEST, THAT IS A DRAW FOR ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT, SO [00:40:02] IT'S TIED HAND TO HAND. SO I HAVE TO REMIND YOU OF OUR CHARTER AND PROTECT THE CITIZENS, TAXPAYERS MONEY AND ALSO IMPROVE THE MOBILITY IN THIS AREA. PLEASE LET ME CLARIFY. I WAS POINTING TO THE LACK OF OTHER CITIES WANTING TO JOIN AS EVIDENCE OF A MODEL THAT DOESN'T WORK FOR THEM OR US. I DON'T THINK PLANO WOULD WANT TO OPT INTO THE SYSTEM RIGHT NOW EITHER UNDER THE CURRENT MODEL AND IF ALLEN, FRISCO, MCKINNEY, ANY OF THEM NEVER WANT TO JOIN, BUT IT WORKS FOR EVERYBODY ELSE. WELL, I DON'T THINK THAT WOULD BE THE CASE. IF IT DOES WORK FOR EVERYBODY ELSE, THEN MAYBE THEY WOULD WANT IN ON THE ACTION, BUT WE ACTUALLY ARE FOOTING THE BILL FOR MANY OF THEM WHO COME TO THE RED LINE AT THE PARKER ROAD STATION, AND IF I MAY BRIEFLY RESPOND ALSO JUST TO THE POINT ABOUT OTHER CITIES, BECAUSE I AGREE WITH YOU, OUR FIDUCIARY DUTY ON THIS COUNCIL IS TO THE CITY OF PLANO, AND THAT'S WHO I'M THINKING ABOUT HERE, YOU KNOW, WHILE ALSO THINKING ABOUT OUR REGIONAL PARTNERS AND REGIONAL TRANSPORTATION, BUT THE POINT I'M MAKING IS THAT RIGHT NOW, THE NUMBERS ARE PRETTY CLEAR THAT WE'RE GETTING SOMEWHERE BETWEEN 30 AND 40 CENTS ON OUR DOLLAR. YOU KNOW, FOR THAT $0.01 OF SALES TAX, OVER $100 MILLION A YEAR THAT WE'RE INVESTING INTO DART, AND ONE OF THE REASONS FOR THAT IS THAT IF YOU WANT TO GO CERTAIN DIRECTIONS FROM PLANO, YOU CANNOT DO THAT ON DART. IF YOU WANT TO GO ANY DIRECTION FROM DALLAS, YOU CAN DO THAT ON DART. I MEAN, THERE'S PROBABLY ONE CITY THAT BORDERS DALLAS THAT'S GOING TO COME UP, THAT'S GOING TO, YOU KNOW, SAY, WELL, YOU CAN'T GO THERE, BUT JUST ABOUT ANY BORDERING CITY YOU WANT TO GO TO FROM DALLAS, YOU CAN DO THAT ON DART. THAT'S ONE REASON DALLAS IS GETTING SUCH A GREAT VALUE OUT OF DART. IF YOU WANT TO GO NORTH FROM PLANO, YOU CANNOT DO THAT ON DART IF YOU WANT TO GO EAST FROM PLANO. I MEAN, YOU KNOW, OTHER THAN, YOU KNOW, RICHARDSON, WHICH IS PART OF THE EAST, YOU KNOW, BUT OTHER CITIES TO THE EAST OF US, YOU CAN'T DO THAT ON DART. YOU KNOW, CITIES TO THE WEST OF US ARE IN DCTA, DENTON COUNTY TRANSIT AUTHORITY, AND SO WE HAVE AN ISSUE WHERE BECAUSE OF CONNECTIVITY WITH SURROUNDING CITIES, THE USEFULNESS OF DART JUST TO THE CITY OF PLANO IS HAMPERED, AND SO IT MAY LOOK LIKE PARTNERING WITH, YOU KNOW, DCTA OR OTHER TRANSIT AGENCIES. YOU KNOW, I DON'T KNOW WHAT IT'S GOING TO LOOK LIKE, BUT AS LONG AS PLANO IS ON THE PERIPHERY OF DART SERVICE AREA, THAT'S GOING TO IMPEDE THE VALUE OF DART TO PLANO MAYOR AND COUNCIL. WE APPRECIATE THE FEEDBACK. THE A LA CARTE MODEL ALLOWS US TO PICK AND CHOOSE WHAT SERVICES WE WOULD WANT. THE GENERAL MOBILITY WOULD RETURN FUNDS, AND THEN THE CIRCULATOR OBVIOUSLY WOULD BE REINSTITUTED IN THAT AREA. WE ARE UNDER THE SAME DIRECTION THAT YOU ALL HAVE GIVEN BEFORE IS THAT A REGIONAL TRANSIT SYSTEM NEEDS TO BE MORE THAN 13 CITIES FUNDING IT AND WE NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE GETTING THE PROPER VALUE IN PLANO. SO I THINK WE HAVE THAT AND WE'RE HAPPY TO DRAFT THIS LETTER, BUT WE FELT IT WAS IMPORTANT WITH ALL THE COMMUNITY DISCUSSION ON DART, THAT WE ARE ON THE SAME PAGE AS FAR AS WHAT THAT LETTER WOULD ENTAIL. SO WE APPRECIATE THE SUPPORT AND GUIDANCE, AND ANDREW WILL BEGIN DRAFTING. THANK YOU. OKAY. ITEM FIVE IS DISCUSSION AND DIRECTION REGARDING COMMENTS OF PUBLIC INTEREST VIA ZOOM. MARK. MAYOR AND COUNCIL. BELIEVE IT OR NOT, DECEMBER IS RIGHT AROUND THE CORNER AND WE WILL BE MOVING BACK INTO THE COUNCIL CHAMBERS. JACK CARR HAS GIVEN ME HIS PERSONAL GUARANTEE THAT THERE IS NO DOUBT WE ARE GOING TO BE FULLY READY TO GO INTO THE COUNCIL CHAMBERS, AND ACTUALLY, IT LOOKS FANTASTIC IF YOU'VE SEEN THE PHOTOS. IT'S FANTASTIC. PART OF WHAT WE'RE SEEING, THOUGH, IS THERE'S A LOT OF NEW TECHNOLOGY IN THE COUNCIL CHAMBERS, A LOT OF MASSIVE MONITORS IN THE COUNCIL CHAMBERS. SO THE COUNCIL MADE THE DECISION TO MOVE COMMENTS OF PUBLIC INTEREST TO THE END OF THE COUNCIL AGENDA AND TO KEEP THEM VIA ZOOM. AS WE TRANSITION BACK INTO THE COUNCIL CHAMBERS, MY RECOMMENDATION WOULD BE TO CONTINUE THAT FOR THE FIRST YEAR THAT WE'RE BACK THERE TO ALLOW US TO BETA TEST AND STRESS TEST THE COUNCIL CHAMBERS ALL THE TECHNOLOGY AND KEEP THIS PROCESS THE SAME, WHICH SEEMS TO HAVE BEEN WORKING. SO MY RECOMMENDATION WOULD BE TO ALLOW THAT PROCESS AS WE MOVE BACK. I THINK WE MADE SOME OF THOSE ADJUSTMENTS AS WE CAME OVER, BUT ALLOW THAT PROCESS TO CONTINUE FOR THE FIRST YEAR WHILE WE'RE BACK IN THE COUNCIL CHAMBERS, AND I'D BE WELCOME. ANY QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? SHELBY. I LIKE GIVING CITIZENS THE OPTION TO JOIN COMMENTS OF PUBLIC INTEREST BY ZOOM, BUT IF WE'RE SUGGESTING THAT WE DISALLOW COMMENTS OF PUBLIC INTEREST IN PERSON WHEN WE MOVE BACK TO THE COUNCIL CHAMBERS, I WOULDN'T BE IN FAVOR OF THAT. I THINK CITIZENS SHOULD HAVE THE OPTION TO STAND BEFORE US AND LOOK US IN THE EYE, FACE TO FACE. OKAY. THANK YOU MAYOR. I WOULD LIKEWISE SAY THAT I THINK IT'S GOOD FOR CITIZENS TO HAVE AN IN-PERSON OR ZOOM OPTION, BUT I DO LIKE KEEPING THEM AT THE END OF THE MEETING, AND THE REASON IS THAT WE'VE HAD SOME ISSUES WITH OBSCENITY AND PROFANITY IN COMMENTS OF PUBLIC INTEREST, AND WE FREQUENTLY HAVE CHILDREN AT THE BEGINNING OF OUR COUNCIL MEETINGS, YOU KNOW, LEADING THE PLEDGE OR THERE FOR RECOGNITIONS OF COMMUNITY GROUPS AND THINGS OF THAT NATURE, AND SO I THINK JUST IN THE INTEREST OF PROTECTING CHILDREN FROM OBSCENITY AND PROFANITY, IT'S PROBABLY GOOD TO KEEP COMMENTS OF PUBLIC INTEREST AT THE END OF THE MEETING. [00:45:01] OKAY. APPRECIATE THAT. SHELBY, A QUESTION ALONG THOSE LINES, MAYBE FOR PAIGE. THE UNPREDICTABILITY OF WHEN COMMENTS OF PUBLIC INTEREST WILL COME HELPS WITH THE AFOREMENTIONED PROBLEM, BUT IT ALSO KEEPS CITIZENS WITH LEGITIMATE BUSINESS ON THE HOOK FOR AN INDETERMINATE AMOUNT OF TIME. IS THERE ANYTHING PREVENTING US FROM JUST RANDOMLY JUMPING TO COMMENTS OF PUBLIC INTEREST AFTER ANY GIVEN AGENDA ITEM, SO THAT WE'RE NOT MAKING CITIZENS STAY UNTIL THE VERY END OF A MEETING. I HAVE THE AUTHORITY TO MOVE THINGS UP. SO IF WE WANTED TO, WE COULD MOVE IT ANYWHERE IN THE MEETING. OKAY. SO IF SOME OF OUR FRIENDS WHO SIGN UP BUT AREN'T AROUND WHEN WE ULTIMATELY GET TO THEM FALL OFF, BOOHOO, BUT IF WE WANT TO BRING IT UP SO THAT SOME OF OUR CITIZENS WHO HAVE LEGITIMATE BUSINESS TO ADDRESS TO US, DON'T HAVE TO WAIT AROUND ALL NIGHT. I THINK THAT WOULD BE A BENEFIT. OKAY. I STRUGGLE WITH THE INCONSISTENCY OF IT. I FEEL LIKE THAT MIGHT CAUSE SOME CHALLENGES. I THINK WE PROBABLY JUST NEED TO KEEP IT CONSISTENT. PROGRESS. I AGREE WITH MY COLLEAGUES THAT YOU KNOW, I THINK ONE OF THE THINGS I LOVE ABOUT. I LOVE ABOUT LOCAL GOVERNMENT AND IT'S DIFFICULT ABOUT GOVERNMENT, IS HOW CLOSE YOU GET TO BE TO THE PEOPLE, BUT IT'S THE PLACE WHERE PEOPLE GET TO BE MOST INVOLVED AND CLOSEST TO THEIR GOVERNMENT LEADERS. SO I DON'T WANT TO COMPLETELY TAKE AWAY THAT OPPORTUNITY FROM PEOPLE. I THINK THAT'S AN IMPORTANT PART OF OF GOVERNMENT. SO I APPRECIATE THE OPPORTUNITY TO ALLOW PEOPLE TO COME FACE TO FACE, BUT I DO AGREE WITH KEEPING IT AT THE END. I STRUGGLE WITH NOT BEING CONSISTENT IN HOW WE DO IT, BECAUSE I THINK THAT COULD COME BACK TO US TO SAY, OH, WELL, YOU MADE ME WAIT TO THE END BECAUSE YOU DON'T LIKE ME, BUT YOU LIKE THESE PEOPLE. SO YOU MOVED IT UP, AND SO I THINK THAT COULD PUT THE MAYOR IN A VERY DIFFICULT POSITION THAT I WOULD NOT WANT TO BE IN PERSONALLY. MAYOR. YEAH. RICK. YEAH. LET ME CHIME IN. I'M AWAKE NOW. THANK YOU. I AGREE, I THINK THE TWO THINGS THAT WE NEED TO BE CONSISTENT SO THE END HAS BEEN WORKING, AND I SUGGEST WE, YOU KNOW, WE KEEP IT THAT WAY, BUT THE OTHER THING, TOO, I'D LIKE TO SUPPORT, I THINK MARK'S RIGHT, IS THAT, YOU KNOW, MOVING BACK INTO A NEW PLACE LOADED WITH NEW TECHNOLOGY. INTERESTING THINGS SOMETIMES HAPPEN. BELIEVE ME, I KNOW, AND I THINK IT WOULD BEHOOVE US TO YOU KNOW, WAIT A LITTLE WHILE BEFORE WE START CHANGING AND BRINGING, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE IN LIVE AGAIN. I DON'T THINK WE NEED TO PRECLUDE THAT INDEFINITELY, BUT I DO THINK THERE'S AN ADJUSTMENT PERIOD THAT WOULD BE GOOD FOR US TO WORK THROUGH. THANK YOU, RICK. SO I ACTUALLY AGREE WITH WHAT COUNCILMEMBER SMITH IS SAYING. I BELIEVE THAT WE NEED TO HAVE SOME PAUSE, PERIOD TO EVALUATE WHETHER OR NOT IN-PERSON IS A GOOD IDEA, CONSIDERING THE FACT THAT WE HAVE NEW TECHNOLOGY THAT IS BEING PUT INTO THE NEW COUNCIL CHAMBERS AS WELL AS WHAT WE HAVE SEEN BEFORE WE WENT TO THIS COMMENTS AND PUBLIC INTEREST AT THE END OF THE END OF THE MEETING AS WELL AS ZOOM IS BECAUSE WE DON'T BELIEVE THAT CITY RESOURCES SHOULD BE USED FOR PRIVATE ADVERTISEMENT AND PROMOTION OF THEIR OWN BUSINESSES. RATHER, IT NEEDS TO BE USED LEGITIMATELY FOR PUBLIC CONCERNS AND COMMENTS. SO I BELIEVE THAT THOSE TWEAKS NEEDS TO BE WORKED OUT BEFORE WE ACTUALLY START THE PROGRAM OF ACTUALLY ALLOWING MORE IN-PERSON PUBLIC COMMENTS. THAT ALSO HELPS US WITH OUR PUBLIC SAFETY, THAT HELPS US CONTROL WHAT ARE SOME OF THE POLICIES THAT NEEDS TO BE IN PLACE? SO I AM IN FAVOR, JUST LIKE COUNCILMEMBER SMITH SAYS, WE NEED SOME TIME TO GET USED TO AND GET ADJUSTED, AND THEN WE CAN COME BACK AND REVISIT THE ISSUE. CAN WE THEN COME TO A COMPROMISE OF MAYBE A SHORTER TIME PERIOD, MAYBE A MONTH OR TWO? BECAUSE I FEEL LIKE IT'S INCONSISTENT. IF WE'RE SAYING WE'RE GOING TO USE THIS SAME TECHNOLOGY TO LET PEOPLE SPEAK ON AGENDA ITEMS, BUT THAT SAME TECHNOLOGY, WE NEED A TRIAL PERIOD FOR PEOPLE TO SPEAK ON ONE SECTION OF OUR AGENDA. THAT FEELS A LITTLE ODD TO ME. LET'S HOW ABOUT HOW ABOUT THREE MONTHS? SO THE END OF FEBRUARY WE'D HAVE TIME TO BE ABLE TO DO ENOUGH TESTING TO BE ABLE TO MONITOR HOW EVERYTHING WORKS. SHELBY. I DON'T SEE THAT WE NEED ANY TESTING, BECAUSE WE'RE GOING TO HAVE PEOPLE SPEAKING IN PERSON ON AGENDA ITEMS FROM DAY ONE AND TO COUNCILMEMBER PRINCE'S POINT, I DON'T SEE HOW THERE'S ANY DIFFERENCE IN THE TECHNOLOGY BETWEEN ALLOWING PEOPLE TO SPEAK ON AN AGENDIZED ITEM VERSUS COMMENTS OF PUBLIC INTEREST. [00:50:07] WELL, THERE'S A WHOLE NEW PANEL THAT WILL BE WORKING WITH ABOUT MUTING AND ALL ALL THE THINGS THAT WE'RE WE HAVEN'T BEEN DOING FOR ALMOST A YEAR NOW, AND THIS IS ALL NEW TO ALL OF US, AND THERE'LL BE SPEAKERS THAT ARE QUEUED UP ALL THESE THINGS, AND I THINK IT'S JUST GOING TO TAKE US A LITTLE BIT OF TIME TO MAKE SURE WE KNOW HOW TO HANDLE SOMEONE THAT'S BEING DIFFICULT, AND I WANT TO SAY I AGREE WITH THE MAYOR. I MEAN, MY PREFERENCE WAS, YOU KNOW, LIKE I THINK COUNCILMEMBERS PRINCE AND WILLIAMS ARTICULATED THAT REALLY, YOU KNOW, IT DOES SEEM LIKE THE SAME THING TO SPEAK ON AN AGENDA ITEM VERSUS COMMENTS OF PUBLIC INTEREST, BUT I THINK YOU RAISE FAIR POINTS, MAYOR, AND IN ANY EVENT, I THINK THAT THE SOLUTION THAT EITHER YOU OR COUNCILMEMBER PRINCE CAME UP WITH THAT, YOU KNOW, WE CLEARLY HAVE A DIFFERENCE OF OPINION ON THE COUNCIL ABOUT THIS. SO, YOU KNOW, COMPROMISING ON THREE MONTHS AND SAYING WE'LL REVISIT IT AT THAT TIME IS PROBABLY A SENSIBLE WAY TO ALL GET ON THE SAME PAGE. SO I'M ON BOARD WITH THAT. SO DO WE HAVE CONSENSUS AROUND THREE MONTHS? OKAY. PERFECT. THANK YOU FOR YOUR GUIDANCE, COUNCIL. OKAY. DISCUSSION AND DIRECTION OF ARTS GRANTS. THIS IS FROM MAYOR PRO TEM TU AND DEPUTY MAYOR PRO TEM HOLMER, IN REGARD TO SOME OF THE ISSUES THAT ARE GOING TO BE COMING UP AND THEY NEED SOME DIRECTION OR WE ALL NEED DIRECTION AND DISCUSSION ON THESE ITEMS. OKAY. MAYOR PRO TEM TU AND I HAD DISCUSSED THIS A LITTLE BIT SINCE TO GIVE A LITTLE BIT OF HISTORY. FIRST OF ALL, MAYOR PRO TEM TU AND I ARE THE LIAISONS FOR THE CULTURAL ARTS COMMISSION, AND COUNCILMEMBER RICCIARDELLI BROUGHT UP THE IDEA OF INCREASING OUR GRANT FUNDING, BECAUSE WE'VE SEEN SUCH AN INCREASE IN OUR SALES TAX, HOTEL/MOTEL TAX DOLLARS, AND SO WE DID THAT AND THEN DECIDED AS A COUNCIL TO GIVE BACK TO OUR ARTS COMMISSION THE OPPORTUNITY TO DECIDE HOW TO DISTRIBUTE THOSE FUNDS. I SAT IN ON THEIR MEETING WHERE THEY DISCUSSED THIS, AND THEY HAD A GREAT CONVERSATION AND CAME UP WITH SOME WONDERFUL IDEAS ON SOME NEW INITIATIVES AND WAYS TO USE THE MONEY. HOWEVER, GIVEN THE SHORT NOTICE, THEY REALLY DIDN'T HAVE TIME THEY FELT TO EXECUTE OR SEE ANY OF THOSE COME TO FRUITION. SO THEY OPTED TO PUT THOSE FUNDS BACK INTO THE POOL OF MONEY AND ELECTED TO PUT A MAXIMUM AWARD ALLOWED AWARD, I BELIEVE, WAS THE WORDING THAT WAS USED. SO THERE'S A COUPLE OF THINGS THAT FIRST, I FEEL LIKE WE NEED TO DECIDE MOVING FORWARD. DO WE WANT TO KEEP THAT IN PLACE FOR NEXT YEAR, WHICH I BELIEVE MAYOR PRO TEM TU AND I ARE IN AGREEMENT THAT'S WHAT WE WOULD RECOMMEND. WE ALSO LIKE THE IDEA OF OF LETTING THEM FIND A WAY TO EXPLORE SOME OF THOSE OTHER INITIATIVES. HOWEVER, I THINK MAYBE SCHEDULING A WORK SESSION WOULD BE A GOOD WAY FOR US TO HAVE A BETTER DISCUSSION AND HAVE THE STAFF LIAISON AS WELL AS THE CHAIR PRESENT SO THEY COULD BRING UP ANY CONCERNS THEY MAY HAVE, ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS, AND IT MIGHT JUST BE A MORE EFFICIENT USE OF EVERYONE'S TIME TO MOVE FORWARD. SO IF WE COULD GET THAT ON THE AGENDA BEFORE THE END OF THE YEAR. I THINK THAT WOULD SERVE OUR TIMELINE. IS EVERYBODY OKAY WITH THAT? I DON'T THINK IT WOULD BE A LONG WORK SESSION. I THINK, YOU KNOW, WE COULD. WE CAN ALWAYS SET WE CAN ALWAYS SET THAT GOAL. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. NEXT ITEM CONSENT AND REGULAR AGENDAS. ANY ITEM COUNCILMEMBER WOULD LIKE TO REMOVE. OKAY, AND THEN COUNCIL ITEMS FOR FUTURE AGENDAS. ALL RIGHT. WELL, WE DID GOOD. WE'LL TAKE A RECESS AND RETURN AT 7:00. WE'LL TAKE A RECESS AND RETURN AT 7:00. THANK YOU. * This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.