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>> IT IS 7:00 PM, THANK YOU ALL FOR JOINING US THIS EVENING AT OUR JULY 15TH PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION MEETING.
IT'S 7:00, IF YOU WOULD, PLEASE RISE AND JOIN ME IN THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE.
>> I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS.
ONE UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE, WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE.
WE'LL START WITH CONSENT BEFORE WE TAKE ACTION ON IT,
[CONSENT AGENDA]
THOUGH, WE HAVE ONE PERSON WISHING TO SPEAK.IF YOU WANT TO GO AHEAD AND READ THE CONSENT AGENDA, AND THEN WE'LL CALL THE SPEAKER.
>> CONSENT AGENDA. THE CONSENT AGENDA WILL BE ACTED UPON IN ONE MOTION AND CONTAINS ITEMS WHICH ARE ROUTINE AND TYPICALLY NON CONTROVERSIAL.
ITEMS MAY BE REMOVED FROM THIS AGENDA FOR INDIVIDUAL CONSIDERATION BY COMMISSIONERS OR STAFF.
>> WE HAVE MR. LYLE WISHES TO SPEAK ON AN ITEM, IF YOU WANT TO.
>> THERE'S A PURPOSE STATEMENT AT THE BOTTOM OF THE REVISED SITE PLAN THAT'S PART OF ITEM 8 TONIGHT.
IT SAYS THAT THE REVISED SITE PLAN IS FOR THE DEMOLITION AND REPLACEMENT OF THE EXISTING BALLFIELD RESTROOM BUILDING, ADDITIONAL 3,581 SQUARE FEET OF OPEN STORAGE AREAS, ADDING THE PROPOSED FIVE FOOT SIDEWALK ALONG ALMA ROAD, ADDING THE FUELING STATION AT THE MAINTENANCE FACILITY, AND OTHER RELATED IMPROVEMENTS.
IF YOU LOOK AT THE DATA SUMMARY TABLE THAT'S ALSO ON THE SITE PLAN, IT SAYS THAT THE PROPOSED OPEN STORAGE IS 16,510 SQUARE FEET, NOT THE 3,581 THAT'S LISTED IN THE PURPOSE STATEMENT.
IT SAYS THAT THERE'S EXISTING 6,120 SQUARE FEET.
I BELIEVE THAT YOU ALL SHOULD HAVE ACCURATE DATA ON THIS PLAN BEFORE YOU APPROVE THE SITE PLAN.
IF YOU LOOK AT PD 329 COMMUNITY CENTER, THAT'S WHAT IT'S TITLED IN THE PD LANGUAGE, IT SAYS, WHAT YOU DO, YOU GET A LIST OF WHAT'S ALLOWED THERE, AND THE SITE PLAN DATA SUMMARY TABLE SAYS, PARK, PLAYGROUND, AND PUBLIC SERVICE YARD, SERVICE CENTER PER THE PD.
WE DON'T KNOW WHAT A SERVICE CENTER IS BECAUSE SERVICE CENTER IS NOT DEFINED IN OUR ZONING ORDINANCE AT ALL.
IT'S ALSO NOT LISTED AS A USE IN ARTICLE 14.
THIS PLAN, MOVING TO A DIFFERENT TOPIC NOW SHOWS A BELOW GROUND FUEL STORAGE TANK WITHIN 100 YEAR FLOODPLAIN? PUTTING FUEL TANKS BELOW GROUND AND 100 YEAR FLOODPLAIN DOES NOT SEEM WISE TO ME.
THIS PLAN, LIKE MOST OTHERS THAT YOU'LL APPROVE, DOESN'T MEET THE LANDSCAPE ORDINANCE.
STAFF WILL LIKELY TELL YOU THAT THIS WILL BE ADDRESSED IN THE REWRITE THAT THE CITY IS SPENDING A MILLION DOLLARS ON.
I BRING THIS UP NOT BECAUSE THE ORDINANCE DOESN'T NEED HELP, BUT BECAUSE IF WE DON'T FOLLOW THE CURRENT ORDINANCE AND WE DON'T HAVE A SITE PLAN INSPECTION POSITION, WHY SPEND ANY MONEY REWRITING IT? IN ADDITION TO THE OPEN STORAGE APPARENT MISCALCULATION, THERE ARE 17 PARKING SPOTS CALLED OUT AS 12 FEET BY 60 FEET AND 21 PARKING SPACES THAT ARE 12 FEET BY 30 FEET.
YOU DON'T NEED PARKING SPACES THAT BIG UNLESS YOU'RE USING PARKING, I'M SORRY, TRUCK TRAILER AND EQUIPMENT COMBINATION, WHICH WOULD BE ADDITIONAL OPEN STORAGE PER THE DEFINITION OF OPEN STORAGE.
LET'S PRETEND FOR A MOMENT THAT SOME OF YOU BELIEVE THAT A SERVICE CENTER AND A PUBLIC SERVICE YARD ARE INTENDED TO BE THE SAME THING.
IN THIS HYPOTHETICAL SITUATION, YOU ALL WOULD HAVE FOUND THAT YOU CAN HAVE A PUBLIC SERVICE YARD IN ALMOST EVERY ZONING DISTRICT.
BUT IF WE ASSUME THAT, I WOULD ALSO ASSUME THAT YOU FOUND WHERE NOTE 50 EXISTS IN EVERY AREA ON THE USE TABLE CHART IN ARTICLE 14.
>> NOTE 50 SAYS ALLOWED BY RIGHT AS AN ACCESSORY USE TO A PARK OR PLAYGROUND, IF LOCATED, A MINIMUM OF 150 FEET FROM A RESIDENTIAL PROPERTY LINE AND SCREENED FROM VIEW FROM ADJACENT PROPERTIES.
IT'S NOT SCREENED FROM ADJACENT PROPERTIES.
LASTLY, IN ARTICLE 8, ACCESSORY USE SAYS THAT IT'S CLEARLY SUBORDINATE TO AND FUNCTIONALLY RELATED TO.
I DON'T KNOW IF A SIX ACRE SERVICE YARD FACILITY WITH UNDERGROUND STORAGE FACILITIES AND APPROXIMATELY 20,000 SQUARE FEET OF SPACE IS SUBORDINATE TO A COUPLE OF BASEBALL FIELDS. THANK YOU.
>> THANK YOU, MR. LYLE. I'M HAPPY TO ENTERTAIN A MOTION ON THE CONSENT AGENDA.
OR IF WE HAVE QUESTIONS OR ANYTHING, THE STAFF WOULD BE AVAILABLE TO ANSWER.
>> MAKE A MOTION. WE APPROVE THE CONSENT AGENDA AS PRESENTED.
>> I HAVE A MOTION BY COMMISSIONER [INAUDIBLE] FOR THE SECOND BY COMMISSIONER [INAUDIBLE] TO APPROVE
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THE CONSENT AGENDA AS PRESENTED. PLEASE VOTE.ONE, TWO, THREE, FOUR, FOUR IN FAVOR.
[1. (MB) Public Hearing – Preliminary Replat and Revised Site Plan: Bob Woodruff Park Addition, Block A, Lots 1R & 2 – Park/playground on two lots on 187.1 acres located at the northeast corner of Park Boulevard and Spring Creek Parkway. Zoned Agricultural, Estate Development, Single-Family Residence-9, and Single-Family Residence Attached and located within the Parkway Overlay District. Projects #PR2024-011 & #RSP2024-020. Applicant: City of Plano. (Administrative consideration)]
>> PUBLIC HEARING ITEMS. UNLESS INSTRUCTED OTHERWISE BY THE CHAIR, SPEAKERS WILL BE CALLED IN ORDER REGISTRATIONS ARE RECEIVED.
APPLICANTS ARE LIMITED TO A TOTAL OF 15 MINUTES OF PRESERVATION TIME WITH A FIVE MINUTE REBUTTAL IF NEEDED.
REMAINING SPEAKERS ARE LIMITED TO 30 TOTAL MINUTES OF TESTIMONY TIME WITH 3 MINUTES ASSIGNED PER SPEAKER.
THE PRESIDING OFFICER MAY MODIFY THESE TIMES AS DEEMED NECESSARY.
ADMINISTRATIVE CONSIDERATION ITEMS MUST BE APPROVED IF THEY MEET CITY DEVELOPMENT REGULATIONS, LEGISLATIVE CONSIDERATION ITEMS ARE MORE DISCRETIONARY EXCEPT AS CONSTRAINED BY LEGAL CONSIDERATIONS.
AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 1, PUBLIC HEARING, PRELIMINARY REPLAT AND REVISED SITE PLAN.
BOB [INAUDIBLE] PARK ADDITION, BLOCK A LOTS 1R AND 2, PARK/PLAYGROUND ON TWO LOTS ON 187.1 ACRES LOCATED AT THE NORTHEAST CORNER OF PARK BOULEVARD AND SPRING CREEK PARKWAY.
ZONED AGRICULTURAL ESTATE DEVELOPMENT, SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENT -9, AND SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENT ATTACHED AND LOCATED WITHIN THE PARK OVERLAY DISTRICT.
THE APPLICANT IS CITY OF PLANO, AND THIS IS FOR ADMINISTRATIVE CONSIDERATION.
>> GOOD EVENING, COMMISSIONERS. MY NAME IS DONNA SPOLDO, LEAD PLANNER WITH THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT.
THE PRELIMINARY REPLOT IS RECOMMENDED FOR APPROVAL, SUBJECT TO ADDITIONS AND OR ALTERATIONS TO THE ENGINEERING PLANS AS REQUIRED BY THE ENGINEERING DEPARTMENT, AND THE REVISED SITE PLAN IS RECOMMENDED FOR APPROVAL AS SUBMITTED.
HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.
>> THANK YOU. ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF ON THIS ITEM.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH. I'LL OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING.
WE HAVE ANY SPEAKERS ON THIS ITEM?
>> THERE ARE NO REGISTERED SPEAKERS.
>> THANK YOU. I'LL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING.
CONFINED DISCUSSION TO THE COMMISSION.
>> I MOVE WE APPROVE AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 1, AS RECOMMENDED BY STAFF.
>> HAVE A MOTION BY COMMISSIONER BRONSKY, WITH THE SECOND BY COMMISSIONER TONG TO APPROVE ITEM 1 AS RECOMMENDED BY STAFF, PLEASE VOTE.
OH, WAIT A MINUTE. I JUST REALIZED SOMETHING, 1,2,3,4,5,6,7.
ARE YOU VOTING OVER THERE? YES. THAT VOTE CARRIES 7-0.
JUST CONFIRMING THAT TONIGHT WE DON'T HAVE COMMISSIONER ALI WITH US.
HE'S CURRENTLY ON A PLANE SOMEWHERE.
>> [INAUDIBLE] CONSENT AGENDA?
>> I SAID FOUR, BUT I THINK IT WAS FIVE.
JUST TO CORRECT THE VOTE, IT WOULD BE FIVE IN FAVOR AND TWO ABSTENTIONS.
[2. (JK) Public Hearing – Preliminary Replat and Revised Site Plan: Parker Road Early Childhood School, Block A, Lot 1R. Public school on one lot on 13.0 acres located at the northeast corner of Parker Road and San Gabriel Drive. Zoned Planned Development-320-Estate Development. Projects #PR2024-017 & #RSP2024-019. Applicant: Plano Independent School District. (Administrative consideration)]
>> PUBLIC HEARING, PRELIMINARY REPLAT AND REVISED SITE PLAN.
PARKER ROAD EARLY CHILDHOOD SCHOOL, BLOCK A, LOT 1R, PUBLIC SCHOOL, ON ONE LOT ON 13.0 ACRES LOCATED AT THE NORTHEAST CORNER OF PARKER ROAD AND SAN GABRIEL DRIVE.
SO IN PLAN DEVELOPMENT 320 ESTATE DEVELOPMENT.
THE APPLICANT IS PLANO INDEPENDENT SCHOOL DISTRICT, AND THIS IS FOR ADMINISTRATIVE CONSIDERATION.
>> GOOD EVENING, COMMISSIONERS. MY NAME IS JOHN KIM, PLANNER WITH THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT.
HERE'S A LOCATOR, AND THEN HERE'S A PRELIMINARY REPLOT.
PRELIMINARY REPLOT IS RECOMMENDED FOR APPROVAL, SUBJECT TO ADDITIONS AND OR ALTERATIONS TO THE ENGINEERING PLANS, AS REQUIRED BY THE ENGINEERING DEPARTMENT, AND THEIR REVISED SITE PLAN IS RECOMMENDED FOR APPROVAL.
>> THANK YOU. ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF ON THIS ITEM, MR. KERRY?
>> THAT IT? MY FIRST QUESTION IS THE ADDITIONAL KITCHEN AND CAFETERIA SPACE.
DO YOU KNOW THE REASON THAT THEY'RE NEEDING TO ADD THAT?
>> I WASN'T TOLD THE EXACT REASON BUT I JUST WAS TOLD THAT THEY NEEDED MORE SPACE.
>> MY MORE IMPORTANT QUESTION MIGHT BE IS, WHAT EFFECT WE THINK THAT THIS IS GOING TO HAVE ON TRAFFIC FLOW IN THAT AREA?
>> I DON'T THINK THAT IT WOULD NECESSARILY IMPACT IT BECAUSE IT'S NOT ADDING ADDITIONAL CLASSROOMS. SO WITH ADDITIONAL CLASSROOMS, IT MIGHT ENCOURAGE MORE STUDENTS TO BE ENROLLED AT THE SCHOOL, BUT I THINK WITH JUST THE ADDITIONAL KITCHEN AND CAFETERIA SPACE, I THINK IT MAY NOT BE AS A BIG OF AN IMPACT.
>> YEAH, I GUESS, MY ASSUMPTION WAS THAT THE ADDITIONAL KITCHEN MIGHT BE USED TO SERVE ADDITIONAL STUDENTS AND NECESSARY THEREFORE AND THEN MY FOLLOW UP QUESTION TO THE TRAFFIC ISSUES, BUT WE HAVE NO REASON TO BELIEVE THEY'RE ADDING STUDENTS, IS THAT TRUE?
>> I CAN'T CONFIRM THAT AT THIS TIME.
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>> YEAH. WHAT'S THE NAME? IT ESCAPES ME.
I'M JUST WONDERING IF THIS WAS TO YOUR POINT, MR. KERRY WITH THE PROPOSED REALIGNMENT, I'M SURE THE SCHOOL IF IT'S BELOW CAPACITY, IT WOULD JUST BRING IT TO CAPACITY, WHICH WOULD'VE BEEN ORIGINALLY APPROVED BASED ON STUDENT COUNT.
>> VERY GOOD. OTHER QUESTIONS FOR STAFF ON THIS ITEM? THANK YOU VERY MUCH. I'LL OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING.
WE HAVE ANY SPEAKERS ON THIS ITEM?
>> THERE ARE NO REGISTERED SPEAKERS.
>> ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. I WILL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING, FINE DISCUSSION TO THE COMMISSION.
>> I MOVE WE APPROVE AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 2 AS RECOMMENDED BY STAFF.
>> THANK YOU. I HAVE A MOTION BY COMMISSIONER BRONSKY.
IT'S GOOD TO HAVE YOU BACK AT THE MIC, SIR AND SECOND BY COMMISSIONER BERNOFF.
THAT VOTE CARRIES SEVEN TO ZERO. ITEM 3.
[3A. (JR) Public Hearing – Replat: Hinckley Addition, Block A, Lot 2R. Day care center on one lot on 1.8 acres located on the south side of Los Rios Boulevard, 700 feet east of Flintstone Drive. Zoned Planned Development-320-Estate Development with Specific Use Permit No. 598 for Day Care Center. Project #R2024-020. Applicant: VK Smith Realty, LLC. (Request to table to August 5, 2024)]
REPLAT HINKLEY ADDITION, BLOCK A LOT 2R.
DAYCARE CENTER ON ONE LOT ON 1.8 ACRES LOCATED ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF LOS RIOS BOULEVARD, 700 FEET EAST OF FLINTSTONE DRIVE.
ZONE PLAN DEVELOPMENT 320 ESTATE DEVELOPMENT WITH SPECIFIC USE PERMIT NUMBER 598 FOR DAYCARE CENTER.
THE APPLICANT IS VK SMITH REAL T LLC.
>> MY NAME IS JORDAN ROGERBY, SENIOR PLANNER IN THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT.
THIS IS A REPLOT REQUEST FOR A PROPERTY ON LOS RIOS.
THE PURPOSE OF THE REPLOT WOULD BE TO ABANDON A UTILITY EASEMENT.
THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING TO TABLE THIS REPLAT TO THE AUGUST 5 MEETING.
THE PURPOSE OF THAT TABLE IS TO ALLOW ADDITIONAL TIME TO WORK ON A REVISED CONCEPT PLAN FOR THAT PROPERTY TO THE NORTH.
THAT PROPERTY WOULD BE ACCEPTING THE RELOCATED EASEMENT SO ABANDONING THE EASEMENT ON THIS PROPERTY, AND MOVING IT TO THE PROPERTY TO THE NORTH SO BOTH OF THOSE PLANS WOULD BE ON THE AUGUST 5TH MEETING IF THIS ONE IS TABLED.
>> THANK YOU. QUESTIONS FOR STAFF ON THIS ITEM, MR. BRONSKY?
>> DO YOU BELIEVE THE TABLING TO THE AUGUST 5 MEETING WILL GIVE YOU ENOUGH TIME TO ACCOMPLISH THAT?
>> YES. WE HAVE COMMUNICATED TO THE APPLICANT THAT WE WOULD EXPECT THAT THAT REVISED CONTENT PLAN BE FINISHED PER OUR SUBMITTAL DEADLINES FOR THAT MEETING, THEY SELECTED THE AUGUST 5TH MEETING THEMSELVES.
>> ANY OTHER QUESTIONS, MR. BERNOFF?
>> THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN. WOULD TABLING ITEM 3A REQUIRE US TO ALSO TABLE 3B?
>> NO, 3B CAN BE MOVED FORWARD INDEPENDENTLY.
>> DO THE TWO PROPERTIES, THIS ONE, 3A AND THE PROPERTY NORTH OF IT BELONG TO THE SAME OWNER? DO YOU KNOW? BECAUSE YOU'RE MOVING THE UTILITY EASEMENT TO THE NORTH PROPERTY, RIGHT?
>> IF YOU REMEMBER LAST YEAR, THERE WAS A ZONING CASE FOR THAT PROPERTY TO THE NORTH TO REZONE IT TO SINGLE FAMILY HOMES AND PART OF THAT WAS THEY WERE TAKING PART OF THE PROPERTY THAT WAS ORIGINALLY THE DAYCARE.
I BELIEVE THEY ARE SEPARATE OWNERS AT THIS POINT OR THEY'RE IN CONTRACT, ONE OF THE TWO, BUT IT'LL EVENTUALLY BE TWO SEPARATE OWNERS.
>> THEY ALREADY IN THE AGREEMENT TO.
>> YES, THEY'RE COOPERATING TOGETHER ON THIS.
>> THANK YOU. GOOD QUESTION. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? THANK YOU. I WILL OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING.
I SEE THAT WE HAVE APPLICANTS HERE.
I DON'T KNOW IF THEY WANT TO MAKE A PRESENTATION OR JUST CONFIRM THE REQUEST TO TABLE.
>> SURE, 21 SOUTH MAIN STREET, HOUSE, TEXAS.
I'M HERE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS, WE ARE CONFIRMING ONE, THEY ARE SEPARATE OWNERSHIPS, AND TWO, WE ARE REQUESTING TO TABLE TO THE NEXT MEETING.
WON'T BE ABLE TO MEET THEIR DEADLINES.
>> THANK YOU. I'M ASSUMING NO QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT? I'LL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING, COMMISSION.
>> I MOVE WE TABLE AGENDA ITEM 3A TO THE AUGUST 5TH, 2024 P AND Z MEETING AS RECOMMENDED BY STAFF.
>> THANK YOU. MOTION BY COMMISSIONER BRONSKY, SECOND BY COMMISSIONER TONG TO TABLE ITEM 3A TO AUGUST 5TH, PLEASE VOTE.
[3B. (JR) Public Hearing – Revised Site Plan: Hinckley Addition, Block A, Lot 2R. Day care center on one lot on 1.8 acres located on the south side of Los Rios Boulevard, 700 feet east of Flintstone Drive. Zoned Planned Development-320-Estate Development with Specific Use Permit No. 598 for Day Care Center. Project #RSP2024-022. Applicant: VK Smith Realty, LLC. (Administrative consideration)]
BEFORE WE GO TO 3B, IS IT STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION TO CONSIDER THEM SEPARATELY? YES. VERY GOOD. LET'S GO TO 3B.[00:15:03]
>> AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 3B, PUBLIC HEARING REVISED SITE PLAN.
HINKLEY ADDITION, BLOCK A LOT 2R DAYCARE CENTER ON ONE LOT ON 1.8 ACRES LOCATED ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF LOS RIOS BOULEVARD, 700 FEET EAST OF FLINTSTONE DRIVE.
ZONE PLAN DEVELOPMENT 320, EAST STATE DEVELOPMENT WITH SPECIFIC USE PERMIT NUMBER 598 FOR DAYCARE CENTER.
THE APPLICANT IS VK SMITH REALTY, AND THIS IS FOR ADMINISTRATIVE CONSIDERATION.
>> THIS IS THAT SAME PROPERTY AGAIN, BUT A REVISED SITE PLAN.
THE PURPOSE OF THE REVISED SITE PLAN IS TO SHOW THE LOCATION OF SEVERAL DETACHED ACCESSORY BUILDINGS AND TO NOTE VARIANCE REQUESTS.
APPROVAL OF THE SITE PLAN IS REQUIRED BEFORE THE BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT CAN TAKE ACTION ON THE REQUESTED VARIANCES.
STAFF RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF THE SITE PLAN SUBJECT TO THE BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT GRANTING FIVE VARIANCES AS LISTED ON THE SCREEN AND IN YOUR PACKET.
>> THANK YOU. ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF, MR. RALOFF.
>> JUST TO CLARIFY THE DETACHED ACCESSORY, YOU SAID BUILDINGS.
WE'RE TALKING ABOUT SHADE CANOPIES, RIGHT?
>> THERE IS ONE SHADE CANOPY ON THE NORTH SIDE OF THE PROPERTY, THERE IS A COVERED PATIO ON THE SOUTH SIDE THAT IS NOT ATTACHED TO THE BUILDING AND THERE IS A SHED BEHIND THE BUILDING.
THAT'S A SHED, SO THAT ONE'S FULLY ENCLOSED, AND IT'S ACCESSORY BUILDING.
>> I WANT TO MAKE SURE I KNEW WHAT WE WERE APPROVING.
TWO OF THEM WERE JUST SHADE STRUCTURES AND THE THIRD ONE IS?
>> THE THIRD ONE IS A SHED, CORRECT.
>> AN ACTUAL FOUR-WALL BUILDING.
>> FOUR-WALL ON A SLAB FOUNDATION.
>> OTHER QUESTIONS? MISS TONA.
>> QUESTION ON WHAT WE'RE DOING HERE.
I'M JUST TRYING TO UNDERSTAND THE PROCESS BETWEEN OUR APPROVAL AND THE BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT APPROVAL, BECAUSE WE'RE APPROVING THE SITE PLAN SUBJECT TO THE APPROVAL BY THE BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT ON ALL THE VARIANCES, RIGHT? WHAT IF THEY DO NOT APPROVE THE VARIANCE, IS OUR APPROVAL ON THE SITE PLAN BASICALLY VOIDED OR WHAT'S THE PROCESS ON THAT?
>> THAT'S CORRECT. IF THE BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT DOES NOT GRANT THE VARIANCE REQUESTS, THEN IF THE MOTION MADE TONIGHT IS TO APPROVE THE SITE PLAN SUBJECT TO THE BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT, IF IT DOESN'T MEET THAT CONDITION OF SUBJECT TO, THEN THE APPROVAL IS VOID.
THE APPLICANTS WILL BE ABLE TO COME BACK TO THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION WITH A NEW REVISED SITE PLAN FOR APPROVAL WITHOUT THE VARIANCE REQUESTS.
>> WOULD THERE BE A PROCESS FOR THEM TO GO TO THE BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT FIRST BEFORE WE DO THE SITE PLAN APPROVAL?
>> UNFORTUNATELY, IN OUR ZONING ORDINANCE AND I BELIEVE IN THE BY LAWS OF THE BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT THE PROCESS LAID OUT IS THEY NEED TO HAVE A PLAN APPROVED FIRST BY PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION BEFORE WE CAN BRING THE PETITION FORWARD TO THE BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT.
>> THAT'S ALSO STATE CASE LAW, SO WE HAVE TO DO THAT.
>> THANK YOU. IF THE DAYCARE CENTER HAD NOT CEDED SOME LAND TO THE SINGLE FAMILY HOME DEVELOPMENT TO THE NORTH, WOULD APPROVAL OF VARIANCES HAVE BEEN NECESSARY?
>> THERE'S A SLIGHT HISTORY ON THIS PROPERTY.
WHEN THIS CONCEPT PLAN ORIGINALLY CAME THROUGH, THE STRUCTURES THERE DID NOT EXIST THAT ARE IN QUESTION THAT NEED THE VARIANCES.
THE APPLICANT OF THE DAYCARE CENTER EXPRESSED WILLINGNESS TO ALLOW THE SEWER LINE AND UTILITIES TO GO THROUGH THEIR PROPERTY.
IT WAS ONLY AFTER THAT THAT THE STRUCTURES WERE BUILT AND WERE MADE THIS NON-COMPLIANT.
NOW THE PROPERTY OWNERS ARE COOPERATING TO RELOCATE THE LINE ONTO THE SINGLE FAMILY PROPERTY, IF THAT HELPS.
>> ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT A UTILITY LINE OR ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT SHEDS AND CANOPIES?
>> THE STRUCTURES ARE LOCATED BOTH IN THE SETBACK AND ON TOP OF A UTILITY EASEMENT, SO THE VARIANCES ARE FROM THE SETBACKS, THE REPLAT IS TO RELOCATE THE EASEMENT.
>> THE ITEMS THAT ARE IN THE SETBACK WERE BUILT AFTER THE PROPERTY WAS CEDED TO THE DEVELOPMENT ON THE NORTH?
>> AFTER THE PLANS WERE APPROVED, YES.
>> JUST FOR THE STRUCTURE ON THE NORTH SIDE OF THE PROPERTY, THE STRUCTURE ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF THE PROPERTY WAS CONSTRUCTED BY THE PREVIOUS OWNERS PRIOR TO THE SUBDIVISION THAT WAS APPROVED LAST YEAR.
>> I'M SORRY. WERE THESE ITEMS THAT HAD BEEN IN EXISTENCE IN ANOTHER LOCATION ON
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THE PROPERTY THAT HAD TO BE MOVED BECAUSE OF THE SINGLE FAMILY DEVELOPMENT TO THE NORTH?>> TO QUOTE, COMMISSIONER RATLIFF, JUST TO MAKE SURE I KNOW WHAT I'M VOTING FOR.
THIS SHOWS FROM 30 FEET TO ZERO FEET FOR A DETACHED ACCESSORY STRUCTURE ON THE SOUTH SIDE.
HOW WILL THAT AFFECT THE ADJACENT PROPERTY AT ZERO FEET? I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE I UNDERSTAND WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT.
IT'S NOT OBVIOUS TO ME, MAYBE IT SHOULD BE.
>> I THINK THAT CONSIDERATION IS THE PURVIEW OF THE BOARD OF ADJUSTMENTS, AND THAT'S WHAT THEY WILL BE CONSIDERING WITH WHETHER OR NOT TO GRANT THAT VARIANCE.
WHAT YOU'RE BEING ASKED TO APPROVE IS ONLY IF THE BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT SAYS IT'S OKAY WILL THIS PLAN BE COMPLIANT.
>> BUT WHAT DOES THAT MEAN WHEN IT SAYS ZERO FEET? WHAT WILL IT BE UP AGAINST THERE?
>> RIGHT UP ALONG THE PROPERTY LINE.
>> WE DON'T KNOW WHAT'S GOING TO BE TO THE SOUTH YET, IS THAT ACCURATE?
>> THE SOUTH HAS ALREADY BEEN DEVELOPED AT A CHURCH.
THE ED DISTRICT THAT THE SCHOOL IS LOCATED IN DOESN'T ALLOW SOLID FENCING, SO CURRENTLY THE PATIO IS UP AGAINST A WROUGHT IRON FENCE.
>> THIS ALREADY EXISTS, RIGHT?
>> THE CHURCH IS IN CONCERT WITH THIS? THEY'RE OKAY WITH IT. DO WE KNOW?
>> THE CHURCH HAS NOT BEEN DIRECTLY CONTACTED.
THEY WOULD HAVE RECEIVED THE NOTICE FOR THE REPLAT.
WHEN WE NOTICED FOR THE BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT LAST WEEK, THEY WILL HAVE RECEIVED THE NOTICE OF THE BOA MEETING WITH A LIST OF THE VARIANCES BEING REQUESTED.
>> I WANTED TO MAKE SURE I UNDERSTOOD.
I THOUGHT YOU SAID THAT THE VARIANCES, THERE WERE THREE OF THEM OR FIVE.
>> THERE'S FIVE. THEY ARE CONDENSED ON THIS SLIDE BECAUSE THREE OF THE VARIANCES ARE AND POSSIBLY IN YOUR PACKET AS WELL.
THREE OF THE VARIANCES ARE TO THE SAME SUBSECTION OF THE ORDINANCE, BUT FOR THREE DIFFERENT STRUCTURES ON THE PROPERTY THAT ALL REQUIRE A DIFFERENT VARIANCE TO THAT SUBSECTION.
ONE FOR THE MAIN BUILDING, ONE FOR A DETACHED SHADE STRUCTURE ON THE NORTH SIDE, AND ONE FOR A DETACHED COVERED PATIO ON THE SOUTH SIDE.
>> ALTHOUGH THEY'RE ONLY LISTED AS THREE, THERE ARE FIVE PUT TOGETHER.
>> YES. THE FIRST HAS THREE WITHIN IT.
>> I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE WE WERE HAVING ALL THAT LABELED CORRECTLY.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH, MR. ROCKERBY.
>> ANYONE ELSE? NO? [LAUGHTER] EVERYONE ELSE HAD A TURN. VERY GOOD.
I WILL OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING.
I GUESS IF THE APPLICANT WANTS TO COME FORWARD, WE CAN SEE IF THEY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS THAT WE WANT TO ASK DIRECTLY TO THE APPLICANT OR DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING YOU'D LIKE TO ADD BASED ON THE CONVERSATION YOU JUST HEARD? THERE YOU GO.
>> AGAIN, T ROBERSON 21 SOUTH MAIN STREET, DALLAS, TEXAS.
THIS ALL DATES BACK, THERE'S VARIOUS THINGS GOING ON WITH THE PROPERTY.
THAT EASEMENT THAT WE'RE PROPOSING TO CHANGE TO GO TO NORTH PROPERTY, MY CLIENT WHO OWNS THAT RESIDENTIAL PROPERTY, THEY'RE WILLING TO HAVE THE ENTIRE EASEMENT ON THEIR PROPERTY TO MAKE IT WORK.
ONE OF THE ISSUES THAT THE SCHOOL HAS A MONTESSORI SCHOOL WITH THAT SHADE STRUCTURE ON THE SITE, PART OF THAT IS GOING TO BE ABUTTING THE SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL IS DUE TO THE CHILDREN LOCATED IN THE SCHOOL, THE AGE GROUP WHERE THEY'RE AT IN THE SCHOOL.
THAT IS SO FAR AWAY FROM THE PLAYGROUND EQUIPMENT.
THE PLAYGROUND EQUIPMENT HAS TO BE SHADED.
THERE'S NOWHERE ELSE ON SITE TO PUT THIS EQUIPMENT.
FROM MY UNDERSTANDING, THE SCHOOL IS UNDER THE IMPRESSION THAT EVERYTHING WAS PERMITTED AS PART OF THE ORIGINAL BUILDING PERMIT.
I DON'T BELIEVE THE PERSON WHO BUILT THE STRUCTURE KNEW THERE WAS AN EASEMENT THERE.
NOW WE'RE COMING BACK AND HAVING TO ADDRESS THIS AND FIX IT.
ONE OF THE SOLUTIONS WORKING WITH STAFF QUITE VERDANTLY, IS MOVING THAT EASEMENT ONTO THE SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL, WHICH THEY CAN GO AHEAD AND DO AND TAKE CARE OF.
THERE'S NO EXISTING LINES IN THERE, UTILITY LINES RIGHT NOW.
THE SHADE STRUCTURE IN THE VERY REAR OF THE PROPERTY ONCE AGAIN WAS BUILT BEFORE THE MONTESSORI SCHOOL WAS IN PLACE.
IT'S AGAINST THE CHURCH OF CHRIST OF LATTER-DAY SAINTS PROPERTY RIGHT THERE.
THAT'S THE CHURCH THAT'S NEXT TO THE MONTESSORI SCHOOL.
IT WON'T HAVE ANY NEGATIVE IMPACT ON THE SURROUNDING PROPERTIES.
ADDITIONALLY, THE DUMP ENCLOSURE, WE DIDN'T FIND THAT OUT UNTIL LATER ON.
WE DIDN'T KNOW THERE WAS AN ENCLOSURE, WHICH, I UNDERSTAND THERE'S NO EXCUSE FOR THAT.
WE'RE TRYING TO COME INTO COMPLIANCE.
WE'RE TRYING TO DO WHAT'S RIGHT.
THERE ARE CERTAIN STANDARDS FOR THE PLAYGROUND EQUIPMENT, THE SHADE STRUCTURES THAT WE HAVE TO FOLLOW PER STANDARDS FOR THESE CHILDREN AND DUE TO THE CLASSROOM SIZE, THEIR CLASSROOM LOCATIONS AND HOW FAR THEY HAVE TO WALK TO THE PLAYGROUND EQUIPMENT.
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AND WE'RE TRYING TO RESOLVE THAT THROUGH OTHER MATTERS.ONCE AGAIN, THE SINGLE FAMILY PROPERTIES, THAT DEVELOPER AND THE SCHOOL ARE IN CONSENSUS WITH TRYING TO MAKE THIS WORK AND MAKE THIS POSSIBLE.
I CAN ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS AT THIS TIME.
>> THANK YOU. QUESTIONS, MR. KERRY.
>> YOU MENTIONED BUILDING PERMITS.
THESE BUILDINGS THAT ARE THERE, THEY HAVE BEEN PERMITTED?
>> NO. ONCE I CAME ON THE PROJECT AFTER ALL THIS, WE FOUND OUT THAT THE SHED JUST RECENTLY WAS NEVER PERMITTED.
WHEN WE SUBMITTED THE APPLICATION, WE FOUND OUT ABOUT THE SHED, AND I BELIEVE IT WAS THE SHADE STRUCTURE BACK WERE NEVER PERMITTED ORIGINALLY.
WE'LL OBTAIN ALL THE PERMITS NECESSARY TO MAKE SURE THEY ARE UP TO CODE.
>> YOU'RE IN THE PROCESS OF THAT NOW?
>> WE CAN'T DO ANYTHING UNTIL THIS PROCESS IS DONE, BUT THAT WILL BE OUR NEXT STEP BECAUSE WE CAN'T APPLY FOR A BUILDING PERMIT UNTIL THE SITE PLAN IS APPROVED, UNTIL THE VARIANCES ARE APPROVED.
>> THE BUILDINGS THAT HAVEN'T BEEN PERMITTED THAT THEY'RE NOT BEING USED CURRENTLY?
I WOULD ASSUME THE CHILDREN ARE PLAYING UNDER THE SHADE STRUCTURES AND PLAYING ON THE PLAYGROUNDS THE SCHOOL IS UP IN.
CURRENTLY NOT RIGHT NOW, BUT DURING THE SCHOOL YEAR.
>> THE FACILITIES THAT HAVEN'T GONE THROUGH THE PERMITTING PROCESS, THEY ARE BEING OCCUPIED WITHOUT AN OCCUPANCY PERMIT?
>> FROM MY UNDERSTANDING THEY ARE, CORRECT.
THAT SHED WAS DONE PREVIOUS TO THIS PROPERTY OWNER.
I DON'T THINK THE CURRENT PROPERTY OWNER EVEN KNEW ABOUT THE SHED NOT BEING PERMITTED.
>> QUICK QUESTION OF THE AGE OF THE STRUCTURES.
DO YOU KNOW HOW LONG HAVE THEY BEEN THERE?
>> THE ONE THAT'S ABUTTING THE SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL ON THE NORTH SIDE OF THE PROPERTY, I BELIEVE IT'S A COUPLE OF MONTHS OF A YEAR OLD.
>> I'M TRYING TO ASK ABOUT THE ACCESSORY BUILDING THERE.
>> I DON'T HAVE THE ANSWER TO THAT.
I DON'T KNOW HOW OLD THAT SHED IS THAT'S ON THE VERY BACK THE PART THAT'S ABUTTING THE CHURCH.
BUT I BELIEVE IT WAS BEFORE THE MONTESSORI SCHOOL OWNED THE PROPERTY.
SORRY, I DON'T HAVE THAT INFORMATION ABOUT THE SHED.
>> NO. NOT FROM WHAT STAFF HAS FOUND AND REVIEWED.
WE'LL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING, MR. KERRY.
>> MAYBE THIS ISN'T THE PURVIEW OF WHAT WE'RE DOING RIGHT NOW, BUT BASED ON WHAT I JUST HEARD, IT APPEARS WE HAVE CHILDREN OCCUPYING UNPERMITTED BUILDINGS, I GUESS.
WHAT CAN OR SHOULD WE DO THERE? MAYBE THAT'S NOT FOR THIS COMMISSION RIGHT HERE, BUT IT'S A LITTLE BIT DISTURBING TO ME POTENTIALLY OF WHAT COULD HAPPEN.
NOW THAT WE'RE AWARE OF IT, WHAT OUR RESPONSIBILITY MIGHT BE UNTIL THIS GETS FIXED.
>> UNFORTUNATELY, THE PURVIEW OF THAT DOESN'T FOLLOW THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT, BUT WE CAN GET IN CONTACT WITH BUILDING INSPECTIONS AND PROPERTY STANDARDS AND SEE IF THERE ARE ACTION THAT NEEDS TO BE TAKEN TEMPORARILY UNTIL APPROVALS GO THROUGH.
UNFORTUNATELY, I DON'T HAVE THE TECHNICAL ANSWERS TO HOW THAT WOULD WORK.
>> I UNDERSTAND. I'M SURE THE APPLICANT, AS WELL AS ALL OF US WILL HAVE THE SAME CONCERN THAT THESE CHILDREN ESPECIALLY, ARE IN A SAFE PLACE.
>> I THINK THEIR ONLY PATH FORWARD IS THROUGH US AND THEN THE BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT AND THEN TO BUILDING IN ORDER TO GET PERMITS SO THAT THEY CAN ACTUALLY GET AN INSPECTION OF THE PROPERTY TO GET AN OCCUPANCY.
>> I UNDERSTAND. I WONDER IF THERE'S A WAY THAT THESE BUILDINGS COULD NOT BE USED UNTIL WE AT LEAST DEEM THEM SAFE SOMEHOW BY THE CITY OF PLANO.
I KNOW THAT'S NOT FOR US HERE, BUT I FEEL A RESPONSIBILITY SINCE I NOW KNOW.
>> UNDERSTOOD. I THINK TO MR. BELL'S POINT ABOUT ALL WE CAN DO IS MAKE THEM AWARE OF IT AND THEN LET THEM UTILIZE THEIR POLICIES AND PROCEDURES.
>> ALTHOUGH I'M NOT THRILLED ABOUT THE IDEA OF THIS BEING USED WHILE IT DOESN'T HAVE AN OCCUPANCY PERMIT, I'M HOPEFUL THAT STAFF IS GOING TO BE ABLE TO ADDRESS THAT.
WITH THAT SAID, I MOVE THAT WE APPROVE AGENDA ITEM 3B, SUBJECT TO THE BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT GRANTING VARIANCES FOR THE THREE LISTED HERE, BUT TOTAL OF FIVE SUBSECTION OF THE ZONING ORDINANCE.
>> I HAVE A MOTION BY COMMISSIONER BRONSKY WITH THE SECOND BY COMMISSIONER RATLIFF TO APPROVE ITEM 3B AS STAFF RECOMMENDED. PLEASE VOTE.
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THAT ITEM CARRIES 7-0. GOOD LUCK.WE'LL GET IT ORGANIZED, PULLED TOGETHER AND WE MOVE FORWARD.
[Items 4A & 4B]
WE'RE GOING TO DO A AND B TOGETHER ON THIS ONE, SO IT'LL BE 4A AND B TOGETHER.ZONING CASE 2024-011, REQUEST TO AMEND PLAN DEVELOPMENT 124 NEIGHBORHOOD OFFICE TO MODIFY THE ALLOWED USES AND DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS ON 7.1 ACRES LOCATED AT THE NORTHEAST CORNER OF INDEPENDENCE PARKWAY IN REGAL ROAD.
THIS WAS TABLED JUNE 17TH, 2024.
THE APPLICANT IS ABBEYGATE CORPORATION AND THIS IS FOR LEGISLATIVE CONSIDERATION.
>> PLEASE READ ITEM 4B AS WELL, PLEASE.
>> AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 4B, PRELIMINARY SITE PLAN.
ROYAL CENTER BLOCK C, LOT 3 HEALTH/FITNESS CENTER ON ONE LOT ON 0.9 ACRE LOCATED AT THE NORTHWEST CORNER OF DORCHESTER DRIVE AND MILL VALLEY ROAD.
SITE PLAN DEVELOPMENT 124 NEIGHBORHOOD OFFICE.
THE APPLICANT IS ABBEYGATE CORPORATION, AND THIS IS FOR ADMINISTRATIVE CONSIDERATION, PENDING AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 4A.
>> GOOD EVENING. THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING TO AMEND PLAN DEVELOPMENT 124 TO ALLOW FOR A HEALTH AND FITNESS CENTER.
THE AERIAL IMAGE ON THE RIGHT SHOWS THE BOUNDARIES OF THE PLAN AND DEVELOPMENT, AND THE VACANT PARCEL ON THE EAST SIDE IS THE REQUESTED LOCATION FOR THE HEALTH AND FITNESS CENTER.
A PRELIMINARY SITE PLAN WAS SUBMITTED WITH THE ZONING CASE TO SHOW THE PROPOSED HEALTH FITNESS CENTER IMPROVEMENTS INCLUDING FENCING, A BATHROOM AND PAVING.
PLAN DEVELOPMENT 124 NEIGHBORHOOD OFFICE WAS ESTABLISHED IN 1977, LIMITING THE USES TO BANKS, OFFICE, AND RESEARCH AND DEVELOPMENT LABORATORIES.
IT ALSO LIMITED THE HEIGHT TO ONE STORIES AND INCLUDED ARCHITECTURAL, LANDSCAPING AND LIGHTING STANDARDS.
THE AREA WAS DEVELOPED IN 1980 AS THE ROYAL CENTER EDITION.
IN THE LATE '90S, EARLY 2000S, THE BUILDING AT 16:01 DORCHESTER DRIVE WAS DEMOLISHED, LEAVING ONLY THE BUILDING, SLAB, PARKING LOT AND TREES.
YOU CAN SEE THIS CONDITION IN THE AERIAL PHOTOGRAPH FROM 2003.
IT STAYED IN THIS CONDITION UNTIL JUST RECENTLY WHEN THE APPLICANT BEGAN MAKING IMPROVEMENTS TO THE SITE.
IN 2023, THE APPLICANT HAD PLANS FOR AN INDOOR HEALTH AND FITNESS CENTER BUILDING, BUT ENDED UP WITHDRAWING THE REQUEST.
STAFF CONTINUED WITH THE ZONING CASE TO ADDRESS LOT COVERAGE ISSUES WITHIN THE PLAN DEVELOPMENT.
THE APPLICANT THEN SUBMITTED A SITE PLAN FOR MINOR IMPROVEMENTS, INCLUDING A RETAINING WALL, REPAIR, AND FENCING.
AT THE TIME, THE APPLICANT INTENDED TO USE THE PROPERTY FOR PERSONAL USE WITH NO COMMERCIAL OPERATIONS.
THE APPLICANT IS NOW REQUESTING TO USE THE PROPERTY FOR AN OUTDOOR HEALTH AND FITNESS CENTER.
THE PLANS NOW INCLUDE TURF FIELDS, FENCING, A BATHROOM BUILDING, A STORAGE SHED AND DUGOUTS.
>> SOME IMPROVEMENTS HAVE ALREADY BEEN INSTALLED WITHOUT APPROVAL, INCLUDING NETTED FENCING, POLES, SIGNAGE, AND SLABS FOR THE BATHROOM BUILDINGS.
A RETAINING WALL WAS CONSTRUCTED, BUT WAS NOT IN COMPLIANCE WITH THE APPROVED SITE PLAN, REQUIRING THE WALL TO BE A BRICK-LIKE DESIGN.
NEXT I'LL SHARE A FEW PHOTOS OF THE SITE AS IT CURRENTLY IS TODAY.
THIS SLIDE SHOWS THE EIGHT-FOOT FENCE IN ORANGE, AND BEHIND IT IS THE TALLER 16-FOOT FENCE IN BLUE.
THIS SLIDE ALSO SHOWS THE EIGHT-FOOT FENCE AND 16-FOOT FENCE FROM A DIFFERENT ANGLE.
THIS SLIDE SHOWS THE RETAINING WALL, EIGHT-FOOT FENCE, AND POLES FOR THE 12-FOOT FENCE IN THE BACK.
THIS IS A DIFFERENT ANGLE TO SHOW THE ADJACENCY TO THE EXISTING HOMES.
THIS PHOTO WAS TAKEN FROM THE ALLEY.
THIS PHOTO SHOWS THE EIGHT-FOOT GATE IN ORANGE INTO THE PARKING LOT.
LASTLY, THIS PHOTO IS LOOKING THROUGH THE GATE INTO THE PROPERTY.
NEXT I WILL DISCUSS THE PROPOSED AMENDMENTS TO THE PLAN DEVELOPMENT STIPULATIONS.
THE APPLICANT IS UPDATING THE USES WITHIN THE STIPULATIONS TO MATCH THE TERMS IN THE ZONING ORDINANCE.
THE APPLICANT IS CLARIFYING THAT MEDICAL OFFICE IS A PERMITTED USE WHEN THE PLAN DEVELOPMENT WAS FIRST ESTABLISHED,
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MEDICAL OFFICE AND PROFESSIONAL OFFICE WERE NOT SPLIT OUT INTO DIFFERENT USES.NEXT, RELIGIOUS FACILITIES ARE CURRENTLY ALLOWED ON ONE LOT WITHIN THE PD, BUT THE APPLICANT IS UPDATING THIS TO ALLOW RELIGIOUS FACILITIES WITHIN THE ENTIRE PLAN DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT.
LASTLY, THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING THAT THE HEALTH AND FITNESS CENTER BE ADDED AS A PERMITTED USE.
THE APPLICANT IS ALSO PROPOSING STANDARDS SPECIFIC TO THE HEALTH AND FITNESS CENTER RELATING TO NETTING, LIGHTING, AND OCCUPANCY.
STAFF IS GENERALLY SUPPORTIVE OF ALLOWING THE HEALTH AND FITNESS CENTER USE AT THIS LOCATION AS AN INDOOR FACILITY, BUT IS CONCERNED ABOUT THE IMPACT OF AN OUTDOOR FACILITY ON A SMALL LOT LOCATED DIRECTLY ADJACENT TO RESIDENTIAL AREAS.
NOISE FROM WHISTLES, YELLING, AND CHEERING, AS WELL AS LIGHTING AND VISUAL AESTHETICS OF FENCING IMPACT THE SURROUNDING RESIDENTIAL USES.
THESE TYPES OF ACTIVITIES AND FACILITIES CAN SOMETIMES BE EXPECTED IN RESIDENTS LIVING NEXT TO PUBLIC PARKS OR NEIGHBORHOOD AMENITY CENTERS, HOWEVER, THE ZONING ORDINANCE RESTRICTS BLEACHERS AND BACKSTOPS WITHIN 150 FEET OF RESIDENTIAL HOMES RESPECTIVELY TO MITIGATE POTENTIAL NUISANCES FROM OUTDOOR RECREATION FACILITIES.
WHILE NO BLEACHERS OR BACKSTOPS ARE PROPOSED, ALLOWING A SIMILAR DEVELOPMENT IN PROXIMITY TO SINGLE FAMILY RAISES CONCERNS.
NEXT, THE REQUEST WAS REVIEWED AGAINST OUR COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, THIS IS LOCATED WITHIN THE COMMUNITY CORNERS DESIGNATION ON THE FUTURE LAND USE MAP.
THE LAND USE POLICY STATES REDEVELOPMENT AREAS SHALL RESPECT THE VIABILITY AND QUALITY OF LIFE FOR EXISTING NEIGHBORHOODS.
STAFF DOES NOT BELIEVE THAT THIS REQUEST IS IN COMPLIANCE WITH THE LAND USE POLICY.
THIS SLIDE SHOWS THE SUMMARY OF OUR COMPREHENSIVE PLAN REVIEW.
AS PREVIOUSLY MENTIONED, A PRELIMINARY SITE PLAN WAS SUBMITTED WITH THIS REQUEST.
THERE ARE A FEW MINOR OUTSTANDING COMMENTS RELATING TO BUILDING SEPARATION, LOT COVERAGE AND LABELING THAT NEEDS TO BE ADDRESSED IF THE COMMISSION DECIDES TO APPROVE THE PLAN.
IF APPROVED, STAFF RECOMMENDS A LIST OF REQUIRED CHANGES TO BE CONDITIONED WITH THE APPROVAL.
FOR RESPONSES, WE DID RECEIVE ONE RESPONSE IN SUPPORT WITHIN THE SUBJECT PROPERTY, AND SEVEN RESPONSES WITHIN THE 200-FOOT BUFFER, THREE IN SUPPORT, AND FOUR IN OPPOSITION.
WE DID RECEIVE 36 UNIQUE RESPONSES CITYWIDE, 17 IN SUPPORT, AND 19 IN OPPOSITION.
WE DID RECEIVE FOUR DUPLICATES FOR A TOTAL OF 40 RESPONSES, AND THREE OF THE RESPONSES WERE OUTSIDE OF THE CITY OF PLANO.
TO SUMMARIZE, THIS IS A REQUEST TO AMEND PLAN DEVELOPMENT 124 TO ALLOW FOR AN OUTDOOR HEALTH AND FITNESS CENTER AND OTHER CLEANUP CHANGES TO THE PLAN DEVELOPMENT.
STAFF IS RECOMMENDING DENIAL OF THE PRELIMINARY SITE PLAN AND ZONING CASE, AND I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.
>> THANK YOU. QUESTIONS FOR STAFF ON THIS ITEM. MR. KERRY.
>> DO YOU KNOW WHY THEY'RE REQUESTING RELIGIOUS AND HEALTH-ORIENTED USES? DO WE KNOW THAT?
>> YEAH, I CAN SPEAK TO THAT. CURRENTLY THE PD RESTRICTS ONE LOT WITHIN THE ROYAL CENTER FOR CHURCH.
FIRST OF ALL, OUR ZONING ORDINANCE HAS BEEN UPDATED TO RELIGIOUS FACILITIES, NOT THAT TERM.
SECONDLY WE HAVE A FEDERAL LAW, RELIGIOUS LAND USE AND INSTITUTIONALIZED PERSONS ACT THAT PROVIDES A LOT MORE PROTECTIONS FOR LAND USE FOR RELIGIOUS PURPOSES, SO THEREFORE THE CHURCH WOULD BE PERMITTED THERE UNDER THAT LAW. WE'RE JUST MAKING THAT CLEAR.
>> THE HEALTH-ORIENTED ELEMENT?
>> THE HEALTH IS FOR THE SOCCER FIELD THAT THEY'RE PROPOSING, THAT'S THE USE THAT I WOULD BE CLASSIFIED UNDER.
>> AS FAR AS USES, IF YOU WERE LOOKING AT THE USE TABLE, DOES THAT FALL UNDER AMUSEMENT, OR WHAT CATEGORY WOULD THAT FALL UNDER AS FAR AS THE USES IN THE LAND USE TABLE?
>> IT'S HEALTH FITNESS CENTER.
>> THE ZONING ORDINANCE DOES NOT DISTINGUISH BETWEEN INDOOR AND OUTDOOR HEALTH FITNESS CENTER, IT DOESN'T.
>> BUT EVEN IF YOU LOOK AT HEALTH FITNESS CENTER, CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, THAT'S NOT AN ALLOWED USE IN 01.
>> OTHER QUESTIONS? I WILL OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING, AND PLEASE CALL OUR SPEAKERS.
>> IT LOOKS LIKE FIRST WE HAVE MARK MARGISON-ALLEN,
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HE'S OUR FIRST REGISTERED SPEAKER.IF YOU GUYS AREN'T SITTING UP FRONT, MOVE UP FRONT, PLEASE.
>> WE'RE GOOD? AWESOME. I'M SORRY, SLIDE, PERFECT.
I WANT TO START OFF BY SAYING, THANK YOU.
ACTUALLY I'M REALLY EXCITED TO BE HERE.
I WANT TO START BY THANKING THE CITY OF PLANO, ESPECIALLY YOU, MIKE, WE'VE WORKED PRETTY CLOSELY ON THIS PROJECT HERE FOR QUITE SOME TIME.
I'VE NEVER DONE ANY COMMERCIAL LAND DEVELOPMENT BEFORE.
I'M NOT A LAND DEVELOPER, THIS IS A PASSIONATE PROJECT OF MY WIFE AND MY FAMILY, AND SO THIS HAS BEEN A LEARNING PROCESS FOR US.
THANK YOU FOR ALL YOUR HELP AND YOUR SUPPORT THROUGH THIS, AND I APPRECIATE THE COMMITTEE GIVING ME A CHANCE TO SPEAK ON THIS TONIGHT.
HERE'S JUST SOME BASIC POINTS ON OUR BUSINESS MODEL.
I THINK THAT THIS IS REALLY IMPORTANT TO CLARIFY AND UNDERSTAND BECAUSE THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF, I THINK, MISINFORMATION ABOUT THIS PROJECT AND WHAT IT IS AND WHAT WE ENVISION AND WHAT WE'RE GOING TO USE THE SPACE FOR, AND SO I WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE VERY CLEAR ON THIS.
THE FIRST THING I WANT TO ADDRESS IS PAY TO PLAY.
MY NAME IS MARK, I'M AN AVID SOCCER PLAYER, BEEN A SOCCER PLAYER IN MY ENTIRE LIFE.
I'M PASSIONATE ABOUT IT, I LOVE IT, AND AS I'VE GOTTEN OLDER, I'VE COME TO REALIZE WHAT THE GAME HAS GIVEN TO ME.
I MET MY WIFE AT A SOCCER PUB, SHE'S A SOCCER PLAYER.
WE LITERALLY HAVE TRAVELED THE WORLD, MADE FRIENDS THAT HAVE ESSENTIALLY BECOME FAMILY BECAUSE OF THIS BEAUTIFUL GAME.
I'VE SPENT SEVEN YEARS IN THE AIR FORCE AS A FIGHTER PILOT, AND SPENT THREE YEARS OF THAT STATIONED IN ENGLAND, AND LIVING IN ENGLAND AND GETTING TO SEE WHAT FOOTBALL CULTURE, SOCCER CULTURE IS ALL ABOUT THERE.
YOU HAVE FIELDS THAT ARE IN NEIGHBORHOODS.
THE COMMUNITIES RALLY AROUND THEIR YOUTH AND AROUND THEIR LOCAL CLUBS AND THEY SUPPORT THEM NO MATTER WHAT, WHETHER IT'S TIER 5, OR IT'S MANCHESTER UNITED, THE COMMUNITIES LOVE THEIR FIELDS AND THEIR GAME.
WHEN WE LIVED THERE, WE GOT TO SEE THAT, AND WE'RE LIKE, MAN, THAT WOULD BE SO AWESOME IF WE COULD EVER HAVE SOMETHING LIKE THAT IN THE STATES.
WHEN WE MOVED BACK TO DALLAS AND LANDED HERE, AND DALLAS BECAME OUR HOME, WE SAID, WELL, HEY, HERE'S A CHANCE FOR US TO DO SOMETHING LIKE THIS, AND TO BREAK THE PLAY-TO-PAY MODEL THAT DID EXIST IN THE US, ESPECIALLY WITH SOCCER.
I'M SURE A LOT OF YOU HAVE CHILDREN, AND I'M SURE OTHER SPORTS ARE LIKE SOCCER, THAT IF YOU'RE GOING TO PLAY AT HIGH LEVEL, IT'S EXPENSIVE, IF YOU WANT TO TRAIN, IF YOU WANT TO PLAY ON A TRAVEL TEAM, IT'S REALLY EXPENSIVE, AND SO WE WANT TO HAVE A SPACE WHERE KIDS CAN COME AND TRAIN AND PLAY AND NOT HAVE TO PAY FOR IT IF THEY CAN'T AFFORD IT, AND THAT'S OUR VISION HERE.
THIS IS A TRAINING FIELD, NOT A SOCCER FIELD, IT'S A TRAINING FIELD.
THIS SPACE IS NOT MUCH BIGGER THAN A BASKETBALL COURT, SO IT'S NOT A 11 V. 11, WHISTLES, COACHES, FANS, CHEERING, NONE OF THAT EXISTS, THIS IS A PRIVATE TRAINING FACILITY, SO THE NOISE AND THE HOOPLA THAT IS BEING ATTACHED TO THIS DOESN'T EXIST.
IT'S A PRIVATE TRAINING FACILITY THAT WE'RE GOING TO USE FOR THAT PURPOSE, FOR INDIVIDUAL AND SMALL GROUP TRAINING SESSIONS.
IT'S A PLACE WHERE KIDS CAN COME AND SAFELY TRAIN.
TRAINERS HAVE GUARANTEED SPACE.
AGAIN, TRAINING IN DALLAS IS A HUGE THING, AND TRAINERS USE PUBLIC SPACE, THEY GET PUSHED AROUND, THEY GET ASKED TO LEAVE SOMETIMES IN THE MIDDLE OF SESSIONS, AND WE WANT TO CREATE A SPACE, AGAIN, WHERE THESE GUYS CAN COME, THEY CAN TRAIN THEIR CHILDREN, TRAIN THEIR KIDS, GIVE THEM GOOD TRAINING, BUILD THAT PASSION, BUILD THAT LOVE FOR THE GAME, AND GIVE THEM A SAFE SPACE TO BE ABLE TO DO THAT.
ONE OF THE PEOPLE THAT HE COULDN'T BE HERE TONIGHT, YOU MAY OR MAY NOT KNOW HIM, HIS NAME IS NOLAN NORRIS.
HE'S A HOMEGROWN FC DALLAS SOCCER PLAYER.
HE'S ACTUALLY IN MEXICO RIGHT NOW AT THE U-20 NATIONAL TEAM, SO HE COULDN'T BE HERE TONIGHT, BUT HE DID SEND ME A VIDEO THAT I'D LIKE TO PLAY FOR YOU JUST OVER THE MICROPHONE, SO HOPEFULLY THIS WILL WORK.
IT DIDN'T COME IN TIME FOR ME TO BE TO PUT IT INTO THE SLIDE SHOW, SO I'M GOING TO GIVE THIS A GO, AND HOPEFULLY YOU GUYS CAN HEAR THIS BECAUSE I THINK IT'S REALLY IMPORTANT.
>> HEY, GUYS. NOLAN NORRIS HERE, HOMEGROWN PLAYER FOR FC DALLAS AND THE U-20 MEN'S YOUTH US NATIONAL TEAM.
I'M FRIENDS WITH MARK, AND I JUST WANTED TO COME ON HERE AND SAY, REALLY JUST BOOST THE IMPORTANCE OF THE SOCCER FIELD THAT HE'S TRYING TO BUILD.
AS YOU KNOW, SOCCER IS GROWING A LOT HERE IN AMERICA.
I KNOW MYSELF WHEN I WAS A BIT YOUNGER, UP AND COMING, TO HAVE FIELDS LIKE WHAT HE'S PLANNING FOR WOULD REALLY HAVE BEEN A BIG BLESSING, AND I THINK A LOT OF PEOPLE ARE GOING TO PROSPER WITH THIS.
JUST WANTED TO COME ON HERE, AND AGAIN, JUST SHOW MY SUPPORT FOR HIM IN THE FIELD AND REALLY JUST REPEAT THAT IT HAS A LOT OF MEETING.
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HE'LL AFFECT A LOT OF PEOPLE POSITIVELY.I KNOW HIS YOUNGER SON SEBAS, WHO I COACH SOME TRAININGS, WE'RE PRETTY CLOSE, SO I KNOW A LOT OF HIS FRIENDS WILL FLOURISH WITH THIS FIELD.
AGAIN, JUST SOCCER'S GROWING HERE, AND I THINK WHAT HE'S PLANNING IS REALLY JUST A POSITIVE THING FOR THE COMMUNITY, FOR THE CITY, AND FOR EVERYBODY THAT'S GOING TO BE INVOLVED.
I TOLD MARK THAT I'D COME ON HERE AND JUST GIVE A COUPLE WORDS.
I WOULD HAVE LOVED TO HAVE A FIELD LIKE THAT WHENEVER I WAS YOUNGER, AND I KNOW A LOT OF KIDS ARE REALLY GOING TO ENJOY IT IF WE CAN GET THAT DONE.
THANK YOU, EVERYBODY. AGAIN, NOLAN NORRIS HERE.
>> HE'S ONE OF THE TRAINERS. HE DOES THAT ON THE SIDE, HE TRAINS KIDS.
EVEN AS A PROFESSIONAL PLAYER FOR FC DALLAS, HE CAN'T GET A FIELD TO TRAIN ON, LIKE HE JUST FINDS RANDOM SPACE TO GO TRAIN KIDS.
THE SHORTAGE OF FIELDS, ESPECIALLY IN DALLAS IS ASTRONOMICAL.
STORM SOCCER, THEY'RE A HOMESCHOOL-BASED CHRISTIAN SOCCER CLUB.
FELT THE CALLING FOR OUR MINISTRY AND OVERLAPPING WITH THEIRS.
AGAIN, NON-PROFIT, KIDS DON'T PAY VERY MUCH MONEY AT ALL, THE COACHES DON'T GET PAID, THEY STRUGGLE TO FIND SPACES TO USE, AND WE'VE PARTNERED WITH THEM BECAUSE WE FEEL LIKE OUR VALUES AND EVERYTHING OVERLAP IDEALISTICALLY, AND IF THE CITY GRANTS US THE PERMISSION TO DO THAT, WE'RE GOING TO ALLOW THEM TO USE THE SPACE FOR FREE ON FRIDAYS.
PYSA, I'VE ALSO REACHED OUT TO PLANO YOUTH SOCCER.
AGAIN, FIELD SHORTAGE, MASSIVE PROBLEM, ESPECIALLY FOR THEIR REC TEAMS. THEY TRAIN IN SPACES, IT'S A FIRST COME FIRST SERVE BASIS, AND THE COACHES TELL ME SOMETIMES THEY SHOW UP, AND THEY HAVE A SPACE, SOMETIMES THEY SHOW UP, SOMEBODY'S THERE, AND THEY DON'T.
WE WANT TO MAKE THE SPACE AVAILABLE AGAIN FOR THE LITTLES, THE 5, 6, 7, 8-YEAR-OLDS THAT FIT OUR SMALL SPACE AGAIN.
THIS IS NOT A BIG FIELD, THIS IS NOT A BIG STADIUM, BUT THE LITTLES CAN COME IN THERE, THEY CAN TRAIN, THEY CAN GET A CHANCE TO KICK A BALL AROUND, AND AGAIN, JUST BUILD THAT JOY AND THAT LOVE FOR THE GAME OF SOCCER IN A SAFE PLACE.
GOOD NEIGHBOR. WE'RE ALL PART OF THE COMMUNITY.
HERE'S THE PICTURES OF WHAT THE SPACE LOOKED LIKE WHEN WE GOT THE LAND.
YOU CAN SEE, IT'S OVERGROWN, THERE'S TRASH THERE, THERE'S JUNK THERE.
THE LOT HAS BEEN VACANT FOR 20 YEARS, THE BUILDING BURNED DOWN, IT'S BEEN DEMOLISHED.
IT'S BEEN LOCAL FIGHT CLUB FOR VINES HIGH SCHOOL, WHICH IS CATTY CORNER TO THE LOT BY ABOUT 20 YARDS.
IT'S BEEN AN EYESORE, IT'S BEEN NOTHING THAT GIVES BACK TO THE COMMUNITY FOR MANY YEARS.
AS I STARTED TO SHOW UP TO THE PROPERTY BEFORE WE PUT THE FENCE AND ALL THAT UP, AT LEAST THREE TIMES, I HAD TO CALL THE POLICE AND HAVE THEM REMOVE SOMEONE THAT'S IN A HOMELESS SITUATION FROM THE PROPERTY.
THIS HAS JUST BEEN A DILAPIDATED PROPERTY THAT'S DONE NOTHING.
IT'S BEEN AN EYESORE, AND AGAIN, POTENTIALLY A DANGEROUS PLACE FOR A LONG TIME.
WE WANT TO GIVE THAT LOT NEW LIFE, AND NEW LIFE TO THE COMMUNITY, AND YOUTH DOES THAT.
WE WANT TO BRING KIDS INTO THE COMMUNITY.
KIDS PLAYING IN THE STREET, THAT'S NOT NOISE, THAT'S LIFE, THAT'S JOY. THAT'S NOT A PROBLEM.
WE'RE NOT, AGAIN, HAVING GAMES HERE, WE'RE NOT HAVING MATCHES, THERE'S NOT GOING TO BE WHISTLES, IT'S GOING TO BE KIDS TRAINING, GETTING BETTER AT THEIR SKILLS, GETTING BETTER AT THEIR CRAFT, LEARNING TO LOVE THE GAME, AND WE'RE TAKING A SPOT THAT'S BEEN NOTHING FOR MANY, MANY YEARS, AND WE'RE GIVING BACK TO THE COMMUNITY IN MULTIPLE WAYS.
THERE'S LOCAL RESTAURANTS AROUND, PEOPLE WHO ARE GOING TO BE ABLE TO USE THE SPACE, LOCAL YOUTH.
YOU'LL HAVE TAXES COMING IN ON THE CITY LEVEL.
SO IT'S NOTHING BUT A POSITIVE.
>> AS I MENTIONED BEFORE, THIS IS A VERY UNIQUE SPACE.
ANYBODY THAT KNOWS ANYTHING ABOUT SOCCER, AND IF YOU DON'T IN DALLAS, I'LL TELL YOU, THIS IS A UNIQUE SPACE.
THERE'S 100S OF SOCCER CLUBS. THEY'RE BIG.
IT'S GENERATE KIDS, PUSH THEM THROUGH.
HOW DO WE MAKE MONEY? THAT'S NOT WHAT WE WANT TO DO.
SMALL SPACE, INDIVIDUAL TRAININGS, SMALL GROUPS, TAILORED TO CUSTOMIZED PLAYERS, TO MAKE PLAYERS BETTER, TO MAKE THEM INTO THE PLAYERS, TO MAKE THEM INTO THE NOLAN NORRIS, THAT CAN BE A HOMEGROWN PLAYER AND THEY CAN GO UP THROUGH THE COMMUNITY AND BECOME A LOCAL PRO POTENTIALLY.
WITH THAT IN MIND, AS PART OF THE COMMUNITY IN THIS UNIQUE SPACE, WE WANT TO HAVE A GOOD WORKING RELATIONSHIP WITH THE COMMUNITY.
AT THE LAST P&Z MEETING WHEN THIS WAS TABLED, ONE OF THE LOCAL RESIDENTS ADDRESSED SOME CONCERNS.
HONESTLY, I WAS ACTUALLY REALLY GLAD THAT I GOT TO HEAR THAT BECAUSE I GOT TO HEAR THE FEEDBACK FROM THEM AND SAY, HEY, WHAT ARE THE CONCERNS? WHAT ARE THEY WORRIED ABOUT? WE WERE ABLE TO ADDRESS THOSE IN OUR SITE PLAN AND ADDRESS SOME OF THOSE CONCERNS.
ONE OF THEM, FOR EXAMPLE, I'LL PASS THIS AROUND.
WE'RE GOING TO HAVE RULES POSTED AT OUR FIELD,
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IN ADDITION TO THE ZONING AND STIPULATIONS THAT THE CITY PUTS THERE.THAT'S GOING TO RESTRICT THE NOISE, THAT'S GOING TO MAKE US GOOD NEIGHBORS FOR THE LOCAL COMMUNITY.
I REALLY DO THINK THAT IT'S GOING TO BE SOMETHING THAT BENEFITS THE PARTIES INVOLVED, AND IT'S NOT GOING TO IMPACT NEGATIVELY THE NEIGHBORHOOD THAT WE'RE IN.
IN FACT, IT'S GOING TO AGAIN, BRING LIFE AND ENJOY TO THAT AREA IN THAT SPACE.
IF YOU DON'T KNOW WHO PELE IS, YOU'RE PROBABLY LIVING UNDER A ROCK SOMEWHERE, BUT PROBABLY THE GREATEST SOCCER PLAYER OF ALL TIME.
FOOTBALL IS THE ONLY SPORT WHERE YOU PUT PEOPLE TOGETHER.
IT DOESN'T MATTER IF YOU'RE RICH OR POOR OR BLACK OR WHITE.
IT'S ONE NATION. THIS IS THE BEAUTY OF FOOTBALL.
THAT'S WHAT WE WANT TO DO. WE WANT TO BRING PEOPLE INTO A SPACE WHERE THEY CAN ENJOY THE GAME.
THEY DON'T HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT. I DON'T HAVE THE MONEY TO BE ABLE TO PLAY.
I DON'T HAVE THE MONEY TO BE ABLE TO TRAIN.
WE WANT TO GIVE THAT OPPORTUNITY TO PEOPLE BY GRANTING SCHOLARSHIPS AND GIVING THEM A SPACE WHERE THEY CAN DO THIS.
AGAIN, IT'S NOTHING BUT A BENEFIT TO GET BACK TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
I'M A FIRM BELIEVER IN PROVERBS 27:17, IRON SHARPENS IRON.
WHICH IS WHY WE WANT TO BUILD A SMALL PRIVATE TRAINING SESSION WHERE WE CAN TAKE KIDS, PUT THEM TOGETHER, LET THEM TRAIN AGAINST THE LIKE MINDED SKILLS AND ALLOW THEM TO IMPROVE AND GET BETTER.
THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR YOUR TIME THIS EVENING.
I DON'T KNOW IF I STAY UP HERE FOR QUESTIONS NOW OR HOW THAT WOULD WORK.
>> TYPICALLY, WE HAVE YOU SET AND THEN WE'LL LISTEN TO THE REST OF THE SPEAKERS, AND THEN YOU HAVE SOME TIME AT THE END TO COME BACK AND ANYTHING'S MENTIONED THAT YOU WANT TO CLARIFY, AND AT THAT TIME, TAKE QUESTIONS FROM FROM THE COMMISSION.
>> THANK YOU. LET'S MOVE ON TO SPEAKER 2 AND 3.
>> SPEAKER 2 IS GOING TO BE FRED LAVEY.
>> YES. GOOD EVENING. MY NAME IS FRED LAVEY.
I AM RIGHT ACROSS THE STREET FROM THIS FACILITY.
MY THREE KIDS WENT THROUGH PISD FROM KINDERGARTEN THROUGH HIGH SCHOOL, GRADUATED HIGH SCHOOL HERE.
IT'S BEEN A SAFE, PEACEFUL, AND QUIET NEIGHBORHOOD.
THE APPLICANT, HOWEVER, LIVES 20 MILES AWAY IN KAPPELLE IN $1 MILLION MANSION.
HE DOES NOT LIVE IN PLANO, HAS NEVER LIVED IN PLANO.
HIS BUSINESS PLAN WHERE HE TALKS ABOUT, WE'RE GOING TO BE QUIET, WE'RE ONLY GOING TO DO A FEW AT A TIME.
THERE'S NO ACCOUNTABILITY TO THAT.
I THINK IF HE GETS PELE OR MESSY OR SOME OF THESE FAMOUS FC DALLAS PEOPLE IN THERE, THERE ARE GOING TO BE 100S OF KIDS OVER THERE.
THERE'S NO REGULATION TO THAT TO SAY, WELL, YOU SAID YOU'RE ONLY GOING TO HAVE FIVE.
I'M CONCERNED ABOUT THAT. OUR NEIGHBORS ARE.
WE'RE CONCERNED ABOUT THE FLOODLIGHTS THAT HE PUT IN A 200 AMP POWER BOX, 200 AMPS THAT'S BIGGER THAN MY HOUSE.
I'M AFRAID THAT IT'S GOING TO DO THE FLOOD LIGHTS.
HE'S TALKED ABOUT FLOOD LIGHTS, THEY'RE NOT UP THERE YET.
HE'S DONE A LOT ALREADY, BUT HE HASN'T PUT THE FLOOD LIGHTS IN.
BUT I'M WONDERING IF HE'S GOING TO PUT A PUBLIC ADDRESS SYSTEM IN SO WHEN HE GETS THESE FAMOUS PLAYERS IN, THEY CAN ADDRESS THE CROWD.
I'M VERY CONCERNED ABOUT THAT.
THERE'S NO STIPULATION TO THAT.
PARKING IS GOING TO BE A PROBLEM.
HE'S GOT SOME PARKING ON HIS PLAN, BUT THE TWO STREETS THAT THIS PARALLEL MILL VALLEY, AND DORCHESTER ARE NO PARKING, NO STANDING.
IT IS A FIRE TRUCK RIGHT AWAY FOR THE PLANO FIRE DEPARTMENT THAT'S ACROSS THE STREET ON 15TH.
THEY CAN'T PARK ON THAT STREET, SO THEY'RE GOING TO BE PARKING ON OUR STREETS.
WE'RE GOING TO HAVE A LOT OF FOOT TRAFFIC.
WE'RE GOING TO HAVE A LOT OF PARKING ISSUES.
THE NOISE, OF COURSE, IS VERY CONCERNED.
HE'S TALKING ABOUT BEING AFFILIATED WITH THE TORO GROUP OUT OF SAN ANTONIO IS WHAT MY RESEARCH SHOWS.
THEY HAVE CLINICS, AND THEY'RE A BIG OUTFIT.
THEY HAVE A LOT OF PULL, AND THEY'RE GOING TO GET THESE FAMOUS PLAYERS IN THERE AND GET A LOT OF PEOPLE.
THIS IS NOT AN INDOOR OFFICE BUILDING, AND WE HAVE BIG CONCERNS THAT THE NOISE IS GOING TO BE A MAJOR PROBLEM.
I HAVE SOME CONCERNS IF WE APPROVE THIS EVEN ON A SITE PLAN, IT SETS A PRECEDENCE FOR THE WHOLE SEVEN ACRES.
ONCE YOU'VE AGREED TO SAY, I'M GOING TO DO THIS ONE, BUT WE ARE NOT GOING TO DO THE OTHER ONES, YOU CAN'T SAY NO TO THEM IF THEY COME BACK AND SAY, WELL, WE WANT TO PUT A FOOTBALL TRAINING FIELD IN FOR THE HIGH SCHOOL, OR WE WANT TO DO FOOTBALL TRAINING FOR OUR KIDS BECAUSE IT'S SUCH A POPULAR SPORT.
>> THANK YOU. HE'S DONE A LOT OF UNAUTHORIZED AND UNREGISTERED WORK, HIS CONCRETE WORK THAT HE'S DONE.
I'M VERY CONCERNED THAT HE'S BEEN DEFIANT FOR THE CITY PROCEDURES.
I'M JUST REAL CONCERNED ABOUT HIS TRUSTWORTHINESS MOVING FORWARD.
MY HOPES IS THAT YOU'LL DECLINE HIS REQUEST AND WOULD YOU WANT THIS NEXT TO YOUR HOUSE? THANK YOU.
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>> HELLO, I'M BRIAN BERG, AND I'LL BE BRIEF.
I LOOKED OVER THE ZONING ORDINANCE.
>> BIGGER PARK. WHAT'S YOUR ADDRESS? MY ADDRESS 5765 YURI IN PLANO, 75093.
>> ANYWAY, 10,200.1 IT JUST SAYS THE 01 DISTRICT, WHICH THIS IS, IS INTENDED TO PROVIDE FOR LOW RISE GARDEN TYPE OFFICE DEVELOPMENT, PROVIDING PROFESSIONAL, MEDICAL AND OTHER OFFICE SERVICES TO RESIDENTS IN ADJACENT NEIGHBORHOODS.
WHAT'S GOING IN THERE CERTAINLY DOESN'T QUALIFY AS THAT.
THIS IS A THING WITH NO EXTERIOR WALLS, NO ROOF.
THE OTHER THING, WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE PERMITTED USES IN THE 01 ZONING CLASSIFICATION ON YOUR SCHEDULE 14,200 IN ARTICLE 14.
EVERY OTHER USE LISTED OR EVERY OTHER ZONING CHARACTERIZATION THAT'S LISTED CAN BE A HEALTH AND FITNESS CENTER, BUT NOT 01.
THAT'S THE ONLY ONE THAT'S EXCLUDED.
THIS TO ME, JUST LOOKS LIKE SOMETHING THAT REALLY JUST CAN'T BE DONE IN THE EXISTING FRAMEWORK.
I OPPOSE THE STRUCTURE. THAT'S IT. THANK YOU.
>> THANK YOU. WE HAVE SOME FOLKS ON ZOOM. IT LOOKS LIKE.
WE HAVE ONE MORE PERSON THOUGH IN PERSON.
>> THEN WE'LL GO TO ZOOM RATHER THAN BOUNCE BACK AND FORTH.
>> GOOD EVENING, COMMISSIONERS.
>> GIVE US YOUR NAME AND YOUR ADDRESS.
I STAY AT PLANO, 7200 PRISTON ROAD, 75024.
>> I'M HERE TO SPEAK IN SUPPORT OF THE TORO SOCCER TRAINING FACILITY.
AS SOMEONE WHO HAS SEEN FIRSTHAND THE INCREDIBLE IMPACT THIS FACILITY CAN HAVE IN OUR COMMUNITY.
I BELIEVE THIS PROJECT IS NOT ONLY BENEFICIAL, BUT ESSENTIAL FOR IT.
I'M A SOCCER MOM, SO I KNOW THAT.
FIRSTLY, LET ME HIGHLIGHT THE IMPORTANCE OF SOCCER IN THE LIFE OF KIDS.
SOCCER IS MORE THAN JUST A GAME.
IT TEACHES TEAMWORK, DISCIPLINE, AND PERSEVERANCE.
IT PROVIDES A HEALTHY OUTLET FOR PHYSICAL ACTIVITY, WHICH IS INCREASINGLY IMPORTANT IN A TIME WHEN INACTIVE LIFESTYLES ARE BECOMING A NOM.
TORO FACILITY WILL OFFER A SAFE AND STRUCTURED ENVIRONMENT FOR KIDS TO DEVELOP THEIR SKILLS.
THIS FACILITY WILL PROVIDE PROFESSIONAL GRADE AMENITIES ENSURING THAT YOUNG ATHLETES HAVE THE BEST RESOURCES AVAILABLE TO REFINE THEIR TALENT.
MOREOVER, THE PRESENCE OF EXPERIENCED COACHES AND MENTORS WILL FOSTER NOT ONLY ATHLETIC DEVELOPMENT, BUT ALSO PERSONAL GROWTH AND CONFIDENCE IN THE KIDS.
BUT BEYOND THE IMMEDIATE BENEFITS TO THE CHILDREN, THIS PROJECT ALSO AIMS TO GIVE BACK TO OUR COMMUNITY.
TORO TRAINING FACILITY HAS PLANS TO OFFER SCHOLARSHIP AND ORGANIZE FREE CLINICS FOR UNDERPRIVILEGED YOUTH, ENSURING THAT ALL CHILDREN, REGARDLESS OF THEIR FINANCIAL SITUATION, HAVE ACCESS TO QUALITY TRAINING.
ADDITIONALLY, THE FACILITY WILL HOST COMMUNITY EVENTS, WHICH WILL NOT ONLY BRING US TOGETHER, BUT ALSO WILL ATTRACT PEOPLE TO THE AREA WHO WILL PATRONIZE LOCAL BUSINESSES THEREBY BOOSTING THE LOCAL ECONOMY.
IN CONCLUSION, THE APPROVAL OF THIS REZONING APPLICATION IS MORE THAN JUST A CHANGE OF LAND USE.
IT IS AN INVESTMENT TO OUR COMMUNITY FUTURE.
IT WILL PROVIDE OUR CHILDREN WITH THE OPPORTUNITY TO GROW, LEARN, AND THRIVE IN A SUPPORTIVE ENVIRONMENT.
I URGE YOU TO PLEASE CONSIDER THE LONG TERM POSITIVE IMPACT, THIS FACILITY TO HAVE ON OUR YOUTH AND OUR TOWN AS A WHOLE.
THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME AND CONSIDERATION.
[APPLAUSE] [LAUGHTER] IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING WE HAVE SOME FOLKS ON ZOOM?
>> YES, WE DO. WE HAVE PAUL RAMLO.
>> WE NEED TO SEE THEM ON THE SCREEN.
>> HI GOOD EVENING. CAN YOU GUYS HEAR ME?
>> WE CAN HEAR YOU, BUT WE CANNOT SEE YOU.
WE NEED TO BE ABLE TO SEE YOU IN ORDER FOR YOU TO SPEAK.
>> I ONLY SEE ONE SCREEN UP HERE ON THE ZOOM.
I DON'T SEE ANOTHER PERSON IN.
>> THE ONLY OPTION I HAVE IS TO UNMUTE MYSELF OR TO MUTE MYSELF.
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I CAN STILL SEE THE PRESENTATION BUT I DON'T SEE THAT CAMERA BUTTON THAT USUALLY POPS UP ON ZOOM.DO YOU HAVE ANY IDEA HOW TO TURN MY CAMERA ON BECAUSE I'M NOT ABLE TO DO THAT ON MY END HERE.
>> WHERE'S OUR TECH GURUS? BECAUSE I AM SEEING A VIDEO FEED THAT SHOWS US, AND I'M SEEING THE PRESENTATION.
USUALLY, WE HAVE ANOTHER ZOOM WINDOW THAT POPS UP.
WE'RE CHECKING ON IT. BE PATIENT WITH US FOR A MOMENT.
I SEE SOMEBODY POPPING UP HERE.
>> HEY, GUYS. CAN YOU GUYS SEE ME NOW? I CAN SEE MYSELF.
>> SORRY ABOUT THAT. [LAUGHTER]
>> YES. MY NAME IS PAUL RAMLO.
I'M THE FOUND OWNER OF PAULINO ACADEMY.
IT'S A PRIVATE TRAINING COMPANY/SERVICE.
WE BASICALLY TRAIN YOUNG AND OLDER KIDS AND SMALL GROUPS AND ONE ON ONE TRAINING AS WELL.
I'VE BEEN FRIENDS WITH MARK AND I SUPPORT TO GROUND, THE TRAINING FACILITY BECAUSE OF SEVERAL REASONS.
YOU CAN PROBABLY HEAR MY ACCENT, AND I USED TO PLAY ON A VERY HIGH LEVEL THERE.
I CAME TO THE STATES ON A FULL RIDE, PLAYED IN SAN DIEGO FOR FOUR YEARS.
NOW I TRAIN KIDS BECAUSE OF THE SAME REASONS LIKE MARK, OUT OF PASSION.
WE LOVE THE GAME. THE KIDS LOVE THE GAME.
DALLAS HAS A HUGE POPULATION THAT IS INTO SOCCER.
BUT ONE THING IS CLEARLY MISSING. IT'S SAFE SPACE.
IT'S ALSO UM PRIVATE SPACE WHERE, THE PARENTS CAN DROP OFF THE KIDS, AND THEY CAN FOCUS THERE, THERE'S BARELY ANY NOISE.
YOU HAVE SEVERAL PARKS AND SEVERAL FACILITIES IN DALLAS.
BUT THE PROBLEM IS, YOU HAVE LOUD MUSIC GOING ON.
YOU HAVE OTHER RAG ACTIVITIES OUT THERE.
THIS FACILITY IS NOT INTENDED TO HAVE, HUGE EVENTS OR GAMES OUT THERE.
IT'S MORE TO GIVE THE KIDS A SAFE AND PRIVATE SPACE.
THEY CAN FOCUS ON THE GAME AND ON THE DRILLS.
THEY'RE NOT GOING TO BE 100 KIDS OUT.
FOR ME, MY PHILOSOPHY IS BECAUSE I GREW UP IN GERMANY, I PLAYED THERE.
YOU GOT TO HAVE THE CONDITIONS.
IF YOU TRAIN ON GRASS AND THE WEATHER IS NOT NICE, IT'S RAINING.
THE SESSIONS ARE GETTING CANCELED, THIS IS A TURF FIELD.
TURF FIELDS ARE NOT THERE IN DALLAS.
I ALWAYS GET FRUSTRATED, IF I HAVE MY SESSIONS AT THE DIFFERENT FACILITY, AND THEN ALL OF A SUDDEN, THE GRASS IS ALL MUDDY, AND THE SESSION HAS TO BE CANCELED.
THE TURF IS HUGE ADVANTAGE IS ALSO PRIVATE.
THE END OF TODAY, I'M IN FAVOR OF IT BECAUSE I KNOW FIELD QUALITY COMES ALSO A HIGH QUALITY SESSION.
I WOULD REALLY APPRECIATE IF THAT PROJECT GETS APPROVED.
>> THANK YOU. I'M GLAD WE GOT THE ZOOM WORKED OUT.
NOW WE GET TO TRY IT AGAIN. GO AHEAD.
>> I DID NOT HEAR THAT. WHEN HE REGISTERED, THOUGH, WE PUT IN HIS INFORMATION. DOES IT SHOW.
ARE YOU STILL THERE? HANG ON ONE SECOND.
[OVERLAPPING] LET'S GO BACK TO MR. RAMLO.
CAN YOU GIVE US WHERE YOU LIVE, PLEASE? IF HE'S STILL HERE.
I LIVE AT 17708 AGAVE LANE, DALLAS 75252.
>> GREAT. THANKS. GOOD EVENING.
THANK YOU FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK TODAY.
>> I'VE BEEN A RESIDENT IN PLANO FOR THE PAST 20 YEARS.
I LIVE AT 7012 EBONY COURT, PLANO, TEXAS 75024.
I'M HERE TO PROPOSE AND ADVOCATE FOR THIS SOCCER FIELD IN OUR COMMUNITY, SPECIFICALLY DESIGNED TO SERVE HOME SCHOOL CHILDREN AND TO PROVIDE SPACE FOR PRIVATE AND SMALL GROUP SOCCER TRAININGS.
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THE SOCCER FIELD WILL BRING MANY BENEFITS TO THE COMMUNITY, INCLUDING PROVIDING INCLUSIVE PHYSICAL EDUCATION.HOME SCHOOL CHILDREN OFTEN LACK ACCESS TO TRADITIONAL PHYSICAL EDUCATION FACILITIES.
THE SOCCER FIELD WOULD PROVIDE A DEDICATED SPACE FOR THESE STUDENTS TO ENGAGE IN PHYSICAL ACTIVITY, PROMOTING HEALTH AND WELL BEING.
WILL ALSO HELP SOCIAL INTERACTION, IN WHICH THE FIELD WOULD SERVE AS A GATHERING PLACE FOR HOME SCHOOL FAMILIES, FOSTERING SOCIAL CONNECTIONS, AND COMMUNITY BUILDING AMONG A GROUP THAT CAN SOMETIMES FEEL ISOLATED.
IT WILL ALSO PROVIDE SKILL DEVELOPMENT FOR CHILDREN, WHICH PRIVATE AND SMALL GROUP TRAININGS WOULD OFFER OPPORTUNITIES FOR CHILDREN TO DEVELOP SOCCER SKILLS, TEAMWORK, AND DISCIPLINE, REGARDLESS OF THEIR EDUCATION BACKGROUND.
THERE ARE ALSO ECONOMIC IMPACTS IT WILL HAVE, INCLUDING CREATING OPPORTUNITIES FOR LOCAL COACHES AND TRAINERS TO OFFER THEIR SERVICES, STIMULATING SMALL BUSINESS GROWTH IN OUR COMMUNITY.
IT WILL HELP WITH PROPERTY VALUES, AS WELL AS MAINTAIN RECREATIONAL FACILITIES HAVE BEEN SHOWN TO POSITIVELY IMPACT PROPERTY VALUES AND SURROUNDING AREAS.
LASTLY, IT WILL PROVIDE COMMUNITY INTEGRATION.
WHILE PRIMARILY SERVING HOME SCHOOL CHILDREN, THE FIELD COULD BE MADE AVAILABLE TO THE WIDER COMMUNITY DURING SPECIFIC HOURS PROMOTING INTEGRATION AND EFFICIENT USE OF RESOURCES.
IN CONCLUSION, THE SOCCER FIELD REPRESENTS AN INVESTMENT IN OUR COMMUNITY'S YOUTH, HEALTH, AND SOCIAL COHESION.
IT ADDRESSES A SPECIFIC NEED FOR HOME SCHOOL FAMILIES WHILE OFFERING BENEFITS TO THE BROADER COMMUNITY.
WE RESPECTFULLY ASK FOR YOUR SUPPORT IN IMPROVING THIS PROJECT.
THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME AND CONSIDERATION.
>> THANK YOU. DOES THAT HIT ALL OF OUR SPEAKERS?
>> FOR 4A, WE HAVE REGISTERED SPEAKERS FOR 4B.
>> I SEE THAT. I'M WONDERING, JUST SO THAT THE SPEAKERS UNDERSTAND, WE READ 4A AND 4B, SO YOU'RE SPEAKING ON THE SAME ITEMS. IT'S ALL ONE ITEM, YOU'RE NOT SPEAKING TWICE IF THAT HELPS ANYBODY.
I SEE ONE DIFFERENT PERSON, PERHAPS.
>> HELLO, EVERYONE. CAN HE STAND WITH ME? HE'S THE ONE?
>> YES, ABSOLUTELY. I THOUGHT HE WAS THE SPEAKER.
>> HE'S GOING TO BE THE SPEAKER.
I'M GOING TO INTRODUCE MYSELF.
>> SORRY. I LIVE IN LITTLE ELM. I'M HOMEGROWN.
I WENT TO SCHOOL HERE IN PLANO.
MY DAD ACTUALLY COACHES AT PLANO EAST, WHERE THEY WON THE BASKETBALL STATE CHAMPIONSHIP.
>> PART OF MY CHILDHOOD WAS GROWING UP IN PLANO, AND THEIR CHILDHOOD IS PRETTY MUCH IN PLANO BECAUSE THEY SPENT A LOT OF TIME IN PLANO.
THERE YOU GO, BUDDY. THIS IS FOR YOU.
>> SHE KICKED IT OFF. NOW, IT'S ALL ON YOU.
>> HELLO. MY NAME IS KAIDEN, AND I'D LIKE TO SUPPORT THIS SOCCER FIELD SO WE COULD HAVE OUR TRAINING.
SOCCER IS NOT JUST A SPORT, IT'S JUST TO HELP US TO LEARN LIFE LESSONS, AND ANOTHER REASON IS I HATE GETTING KICKED OFF FIELD.
>> GOOD JOB. [APPLAUSE] GETTING KICKED OFF THE FIELD IS NO FUN.
THAT'S ALL OF OUR UNIQUE SPEAKERS?
>> MR. ALLEN, DO YOU WANT TO COME UP, ANY LAST-MINUTE COMMENTS, AND THEN WE'LL SEE IF ANY OF THE COMMISSIONERS HAVE QUESTIONS?
>> YES. I WOULD. AGAIN, THANK YOU FOR GIVING ME A CHANCE TO SPEAK AGAIN.
I JUST JOTTED A COUPLE OF NOTES DOWN HERE FROM SOME COMMENTS THAT WERE MADE.
I HAVE NO AFFILIATION WITH TORO WHATSOEVER.
I DON'T KNOW WHERE YOU GOT THAT FROM.
WELL, TORO MEANS BULL IN SPANISH, AND MY WIFE IS SPANISH, SO THAT'S WHERE THAT COMES FROM.
YOU MADE AN ASSUMPTION THAT I'M ASSOCIATED WITH TORO. I'M NOT.
>> ADDRESS THE QUESTIONS HERE.
>> I HAVE NO ASSOCIATION WITH TORO.
THERE'S ABSOLUTELY NO PA SYSTEM THAT IS GOING INTO THIS FIELD.
WE HAVE AMPLE PARKING INSIDE THE GATE, WHICH WE PROPOSED IN THE PD, SO THAT WILL HOLD ANYONE THAT IS AT THE FIELD TO TRAIN, WILL BE TO PARK ON THE NORTH END OF OUR LOT, HENCE THE PAVEMENT THAT WE PUT IN THERE SO THAT WE COULD FIX THE DEAD END PARKING THAT MIKE COULD WORK WITH US ON.
WE HAVE THE PAVEMENT IN THERE.
ALL THE PARKING WOULD BE INSIDE THE LOT,
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IN ADDITION TO THE RULES THAT I POSTED WITH YOU GUYS THERE.THE LIGHTS. WE'RE WORKING WITH THE WISCONSIN LIGHTING LAB.
LED LIGHTS, YOU CAN RESTRICT THEM GREATLY AND THEY'RE ABLE TO GIVE US ZERO BLEED OVER, ESPECIALLY ON THE EAST SIDE OF THE PROPERTY, WHERE MR. LEVEE'S HOUSE IS.
THERE IS THE FENCE WITH THE WIND MESH ON IT, THERE'S A ROW OF TREES, THEN THERE'S A ROAD, THEN HIS EIGHT-FOOT-TALL WOODEN FENCE THAT ALL ACTS AS A BARRIER.
WE HAVE THE LIGHTING COMPANY THAT IS WORKING ON HAVING ZERO BLEED OVER ONTO THE OUTSIDE OF OUR PROPERTY LINES, SO THAT WILL BE TAKEN CARE OF AS WELL. THE NOISE.
I WENT OUT TO THE LOT WITH A DECIBEL METER.
AMBIENT NOISE ON THE FIELD IS RIGHT AROUND 45 OR SO DECIBELS.
WHEN YOU'RE OUT THERE TALKING, NORMAL, LIKE NOW, IT GOES UP TO 60.
THAT'S IT. SOCCER BALL BEING KICKED, 65-70.
IN ADDITION TO THE BARRIERS THAT ARE THERE, WE'RE ADDING, IT'S CALLED DUCT V-MAX VIBRATION DAMPENER.
IT'S GOING TO GO ON THE BACK OF THE BOARDS THAT ARE THERE TO HELP KEEP THE BALL IN THE FIELDS.
WE'RE ADDING THAT TO THE BACK WHEN MR. LEVEE BROUGHT THAT CONCERN, AND SAID, "OKAY, HOW CAN WE GO DAMPEN THIS NOISE, ADDRESS THAT CONCERN, RIGHT?" BASICALLY, IT'S AN INSULATION TAPE THAT'S GOING TO GO ON THE BACK OF THE BOARDS THAT'S GOING TO HELP KEEP THAT NOISE DOWN AND DAMPEN THAT NOISE.
WHEN WE TOOK THE DECIBEL METER AND STOOD OVER NEXT TO MR. LEVEE'S PROPERTY, THERE WAS NO CHANGE IN THE DECIBEL NOISE.
YES, YOU CAN HEAR THE LIGHT THUD OF THE BALL WHEN IT HITS THE BOARD, BUT THERE IS NO NOTABLE CHANGE ON THE DECIBEL METER.
IF YOU GO TO THE STREET, WHICH IS ON THE OTHER SIDE OF HIS PROPERTY, THE AMBIENT NOISE IS 65 DECIBELS PLUS, AND WHEN A CAR COMES BY, YOU'RE AT 80 DECIBELS, SO HE HAS WAY MORE NOISE COMING FROM THE STREET THAN ANYTHING THAT'S GOING TO COME FROM THE LOT AND ANY OF OUR KIDS THAT ARE GOING TO BE THERE.
IT WILL NOT BE A GRANDSTAND, IT WILL NOT BE A BIG FACILITY.
WE'RE NOT BRINGING PROS IN, WE'RE NOT DOING THAT.
THAT'S NOT THE PURPOSE OF THIS.
I'M REALLY TRYING TO STRESS THAT WITH THIS BUSINESS MODEL, THAT IT IS A SMALL PRIVATE TRAINING FACILITY THAT WE WANT TO GIVE ELITE TRAINING TO KIDS, AND WE DO WANT TO GIVE TRAINING TO KIDS THAT CAN'T AFFORD IT REGARDLESS OF WHERE I LIVE.
WE ARE PART OF THE COMMUNITY BECAUSE PART OF THE COMMUNITY IS DALLAS, THAT'S PLANO, THAT'S COPPELL.
SOCCER IS THROUGHOUT DALLAS, AND THIS IS THE SOCCER COMMUNITY, AND THAT GOES INTO PLANO. THANK YOU.
>> OKAY. BEFORE YOU WALK AWAY.
>> LET'S SEE IF WE'VE GOT SOME QUESTIONS.
I WANT TO CLARIFY SOMETHING TOO.
>> BECAUSE I DID SEE THE PICTURE.
IT SAYS TORO TRAINING GROUNDS.
I THINK SOMEBODY ELSE HAD MENTIONED TORO, LIKE THEY'RE A PART OF IT OR SOMETHING.
JUST TO BE CLEAR, YOU'RE NOT INVOLVED WITH TORO GROUP?
>> THERE IS NO TORO AFFILIATION.
LIKE I SAID, MY WIFE IS SPANISH AND BRITISH.
WE ARE MY WIFE AND I, AND THAT IS IT.
THIS IS NO CLUB, THERE'S NO ACADEMY.
IT IS A FEW TRAINERS AND MYSELF, AND WE'RE GOING TO USE THE SPACE FOR SMALL PRIVATE TRAINING.
THERE'S NO AFFILIATION WITH ANY CLUB, PRO-AMATEUR, ANYTHING OUTSIDE OF MYSELF AND MY WIFE.
>> OKAY. I APPRECIATE THE RULES THAT YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE POSTED AND STUFF.
BUT IT WAS MENTIONED TWO OR THREE TIMES THAT YOU'RE GOING TO OPEN IT UP TO OTHER PEOPLE TO USE.
I'M ASSUMING YOU'RE NOT GOING TO BE THERE THE ENTIRE TIME.
>> WE HAVE TO ALSO LOOK AT THIS AS HOW POWERFUL IS YOUR INFLUENCE ON OTHER PEOPLE THAT MIGHT BE USING THE FACILITY BECAUSE IT'S YOURS, AND YOU'RE GIVING THE KEY TO SOMEBODY ELSE, YOU'RE RESPONSIBLE FOR WHATEVER HAPPENS ON THAT LOT.
>> ABSOLUTELY, AND THAT'S WHERE THAT POWER COMES IN.
WE'RE GOING TO BE VERY SELECTIVE ABOUT WHO WE USE.
IT'S NOT GOING TO BE OPENED UP TO JUST ANYBODY.
AGAIN, WE'RE GOING TO KEEP THE GROUPS SMALL.
THERE'S NO MORE THAN HONESTLY, EIGHT KIDS AT THE MAX ON THE FIELD AT ONE TIME BECAUSE WE WANT IT TO BE SMALL PRIVATE TRAINING GROUPS.
PEOPLE LIKE NOLAN, PEOPLE THAT WE KNOW AND THAT WE TRUST ARE GOING TO BE THE ONES THAT ARE GOING TO BE ABLE TO USE THE FIELD.
IT'S NOT GOING TO BE JUST, HEY, WELL, ANYBODY CAN JUST COME IN AND USE IT OR SIGN UP AND USE IT, WE'RE GOING TO BE SELECTIVE ABOUT WHO WE USE.
TO YOUR POINT, I UNDERSTAND, I'LL BE FULLY ACCOUNTABLE FOR THAT.
>> YES. COMMISSIONERS, ANYONE ELSE WITH QUESTIONS? MR. BRONSKY.
>> CAN I SEE THE FIRST SLIDE ON YOUR PRESENTATION?
>> YEAH, I'M ABLE TO GO BACK? THAT ONE?
>> THAT'S I THINK WHERE SOME OF THE CONFUSION CAME IN WITH THE LOGO SITTING THERE.
I WONDERED THE SAME THING ABOUT YOUR CONNECTION TO TORO.
I THINK THAT COULD BE WHERE THE MISCONCEPTIONS CAME FROM. I GOT A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS.
>> YOU JUST MENTIONED A MAXIMUM OF EIGHT KIDS ON THE FIELD.
I GUESS THIS QUESTIONS FOR YOU AND CITY STAFF, IS THERE AN OCCUPANCY NUMBER FOR THIS LOCATION AS A WHOLE?
>> THE PLAN DEVELOPMENT STIPULATIONS WOULD RESTRICT IT TO 20.
THAT'S WHAT CONVERSATIONS WITH THE APPLICANT ABOUT,
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IN THE WORST-CASE SCENARIO, HOW MANY CHILDREN WOULD BE THERE? IT WAS 20.>> OKAY. YOU FEEL THE 25 PARKING SPOTS WOULD BE MORE THAN ENOUGH TO ENSURE THAT YOU HAVE ALL THE PARKING YOU NEED?
>> YES, ABSOLUTELY. BECAUSE LIKE I SAID, IT'S GOING TO BE SMALL TRAINING SESSIONS. THAT'S ALL WE'RE DOING.
>> I HAVE A QUESTION FOR YOU, BUT FOR THE CITY STAFF AS WELL, THE APPLICATION FOR THE NOISE ORDINANCE, WHAT'S GOING TO BE THE NOISE ORDINANCE NUMBERS FOR THEM AND THEIR REQUIREMENTS?
>> YOU HAVE TO GIVE US A MOMENT TO LOOK THAT UP.
>> OKAY. ANOTHER QUESTION, WHAT YOU CAN LOOK UP AS WELL IS MY UNDERSTANDING IS TO HAVE A PUBLIC ADDRESS SYSTEM, YOU ACTUALLY HAVE TO HAVE THAT ALREADY INTO THE PLAN, IS THAT CORRECT? THEY CAN'T JUST PUT ONE IN LATER. IS THAT CORRECT?
>> NO, I DON'T BELIEVE A PUBLIC ADDRESS SYSTEM IS REQUIRED ON THE SITE PLAN.
>> IT'S POSSIBLE IT COULD BE ADDED LATER? ALTHOUGH I'M NOT SAYING YOU ARE, I'M JUST ASKING THE QUESTION.
>> LAST QUESTION, I THINK, IS HAVE YOU DONE CONCRETE WORK AND THINGS LIKE THAT WITHOUT PERMITS?
>> TO BE COMPLETELY HONEST, YES, WE DID.
GOING BACK TO, I GUESS, CALL IT THE NATURE OF THE DAY JOB, RIGHT, BEING A FIGHTER PILOT AND TRY TO LEAD TURN EVERYTHING.
WHEN WE WERE INTENDING THIS FOR THE PRIVATE USE, WE WERE TOLD BY CITY THAT REGARDLESS OF PRIVATE USE OR PUBLIC USE THAT WE HAD TO PUT BATHROOMS IN, SO WE SAID, OKAY, WELL, IF WE HAVE TO PUT BATHROOMS IN, AND WE NEED TO HAVE TURNAROUND FOR THE PARKING, WE WENT AHEAD AND PUT THAT CONCRETE IN THERE.
AGAIN, AS I SAID, NOT EXPERIENCED WITH COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT, WE PUT CONCRETE IN AT MY HOUSE, AND THE CONTRACTOR DIDN'T PULL A PERMIT, WE DIDN'T NEED A PERMIT, SO WE DIDN'T THINK THAT IT WAS SOMETHING THAT WE NEEDED TO ADDRESS WITH A PERMIT.
THE OTHER ITEMS SUCH AS THE FENCE, THE RETAINING WALL, THOSE HAVE ALL BEEN PERMITTED.
PERMITS HAVE BEEN SIGNED OFF AND INSPECTED BY BUILDING INSPECTIONS, AND HAVE BEEN CLOSED OUT AND GOOD.
>> HAVE YOU LOOKED INTO THE NOISE ORDINANCES AT ALL? WHAT'S ACTUALLY GOING TO BE REQUIRED OF YOU AS IT RELATES TO NOISE?
TRAFFIC, WHAT KIND OF TRIP COUNTS ARE YOU EXPECTING TO HAVE THROUGH YOUR?
>> MOST OF THE SESSIONS, THE TRAINING SESSIONS ARE ABOUT AN HOUR.
IF YOU'VE GOT MAXIMUM OF, AGAIN, FOUR TO EVEN IF YOU SAID EIGHT KIDS, YOU'D HAVE EIGHT CARS COMING IN, EIGHT CARS COMING OUT ON THE HOUR-ISH.
>> YOU NEED 25 SPOTS PARKING SPOTS FOR THAT?
>> WELL, THE PARKING SPACES ARE WHAT'S ALREADY THERE, SO THAT WAS THE EXISTING SPACE THAT WAS ALREADY THERE FROM THE PREVIOUS BUILDING.
BASICALLY, WE'RE JUST STRIPING IT AND THEN ADDING THE TURNAROUND SPACE THERE.
I GUESS THE ISSUE WAS THAT WE ARE WIDENING THE FIRE LANE ON THE WEST SIDE OF THE PROPERTY TO BRING IT TO CODE.
THE PERPENDICULAR PARKING THAT WAS THERE RIGHT NOW IS NOW GOING TO BE GONE.
THERE'LL BE SEVERAL PARALLEL PARKING SPACES THERE TO WIDEN THE FIRE LANE AND BRING IT TO CODE.
BUT [INAUDIBLE] YOU CAN COLLECT ME IF I'M WRONG, THERE IS A, WHAT DO YOU CALL IT? A SHARED PARKING AGREEMENT THERE AS WELL, BUT WE WON'T NEED IT.
ALL THE SPACES THAT WE'LL NEED WILL BE INSIDE THAT FENCE.
>> OKAY. YOU FEEL GOOD ABOUT THE 20 TOTAL PEOPLE AS YOUR TOTAL OCCUPANCY FOR THIS AREA?
>> I BELIEVE AN ANSWER TO THE NOISE QUESTION, IF YOU'D LIKE THAT.
>> IT'S GOING TO VARY BY TIME OF DAY, BUT ALONG THE PROPERTY LINE WITH THE RESIDENTIAL, FROM 7:00-10:00.
DURING THE DAYTIME, IT'LL BE 65 DECIBELS OR 10 DECIBELS ABOVE THE BACKGROUND NOISE LEVEL, WHICHEVER IS LOWER.
AT NIGHTTIME FROM 10:01-6:59, IT IS 55 DECIBELS OR FIVE DECIBELS ABOVE THE BACKGROUND NOISE LEVEL, WHICHEVER IS LOWER.
>> YOU FEEL LIKE THOSE NUMBERS ARE?
>> ABSOLUTELY. AGAIN, I HAVE THE DATA AND THE VIDEOS ON MY PHONE TO PROVE IT THAT WITH ME SPEAKING RIGHT NEXT TO THE DECIBEL METER, WE HIT 60 DECIBELS WHEN WE WERE STANDING THERE TALKING.
AGAIN, THERE'S NOT GOING TO BE CHEERING, SCREAMING, WHISTLES, NONE OF THAT GOING ON THERE.
FOR THE DAYLIGHT HOURS, WE ARE TOTALLY GOOD, AND AT 10:01, THE LIGHTS ARE TO BE OFF, SO OUR PLAN IS TO NOT WORK PAST NINE O'CLOCK. THAT'S THE LATEST.
>> SO I CAN APPRECIATE THIS IS FIRST EXPERIENCE WITH SOME OF THIS? ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE FIND THAT IS OFTEN VERY HELPFUL FOR DEVELOPMENT IS HAVING SOME COMMUNITY MEETINGS BEFORE YOU MOVE TO OUR CONVERSATIONS, AND SOMETIMES YOU CAN WORK OUT SOME OF THESE THINGS IN THAT PROCESS.
>> SURE. WE DID DO DOOR-TO-DOOR CANVASSING THROUGH THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
I SPOKE WITH AT LEAST HALF A DOZEN PEOPLE.
IT WAS INTERESTING AS I WENT THROUGH THERE.
SOMEONE ELSE HAD COME THROUGH,
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ESSENTIALLY CAMPAIGNING AGAINST ME, SAYING A LOT OF THINGS THAT WERE SAID HERE, ALL, THEY'RE PUTTING IN STADIUM LIGHTS, THEY ARE PUTTING IN A PA SYSTEM, IT'S GOING TO BE LOUD, IT'S GOING TO BE ALL THIS, IT'S GO TO WHISTLE, IT'S GOING TO BE CHEERING, AND I'M LIKE, I DON'T KNOW WHERE THAT'S COMING FROM.BUT WE DID DO THE DOOR-TO-DOOR AND GO THROUGH AND SPEAK TO PEOPLE.
>> THANK YOU. IT'S 7.1 ACRES IS THE TOTAL SIZE OF THIS PROPERTY, IS THAT CORRECT?
>> I BELIEVE SO. THE WHOLE PD, YES.
>> HOW BIG ARE THE FIELDS THAT YOU'RE PROPOSING TO BUILD? YOU SAID A BASKETBALL COURT.
DOES THAT MEAN THERE IS GOING TO BE ONE FIELD THERE?
>> CORRECT. THAT'S IT. THERE'S ONE FIELD THERE THAT'S, AGAIN, SLIGHTLY LARGER THAN A BASKETBALL COURT.
>> YOU TALK ABOUT, YOU KNOW, FOUR V FOUR OR WHATEVER YOU GUYS ARE GOING TO PLAY THERE.
BUT I THINK YOU'D PROBABLY AGREE WHENEVER YOU SHOW UP WITH FOUR V FOUR, YOU MIGHT HAVE EIGHT KIDS, BUT YOU ALSO HAVE WHO KNOWS HOW MANY PARENTS AND OTHER PEOPLE, CORRECT? IT'S LIKELY TO BE MORE THAN POSSIBLY THE FIRST IMPRESSION, WOULD YOU AGREE?
>> YEAH, YOU ARE GOING TO HAVE PARENTS THAT WILL BE THERE TO WATCH. SURE.
>> YOU SAID SOMETHING I JUST DON'T AGREE WITH.
YOU SAID THERE WON'T BE ANY CHEERING OR ANYTHING.
I'VE BEEN AROUND YOUTH SOCCER A LOT.
AS A MATTER OF FACT, MY DAUGHTER WAS A STATE CHAMPION.
ANYWAY, SO THERE WILL BE CHEERING, THERE WILL BE SCREAMING, ALL OF THAT WILL HAPPEN.
YOU HAVE CHILDREN, AND IT WILL HAPPEN.
I'M NOT SURE THAT'S COMPLETELY ACCURATE.
HOW MUCH THAT AFFECTS THE SURROUNDING NEIGHBORS, I THINK IS DEBATE.
WHY DID YOU PICK THIS SITE IN THE MIDDLE OF THIS NEIGHBORHOOD? DID YOU LOOK AT OTHER SITES? WHY DID YOU FIND THIS SITE TO BE IDEAL? I UNDERSTAND THAT IT WAS AVAILABLE, BUT WHY DID YOU FEEL THIS WAS THE RIGHT SITE?
>> WELL, GOING BACK TO MY EXPERIENCE GROWING UP BEING IN EUROPE, THAT HAVING A FIELD IN THE COMMUNITY THAT'S CLOSE BY, THAT KIDS CAN WALK TO.
WE DRIVE EVERYWHERE IN AMERICA, ESPECIALLY IN DALLAS.
THIRTY-MINUTE COMMUTE IS STANDARD ACROSS THE BOARD.
TO HAVE A SPACE THAT'S IN A NEIGHBORHOOD THAT KIDS CAN WALK TO, THAT KIDS CAN GO AND USE, IN MY OPINION, IN OUR VISION OF WHAT IT WAS WAS IDEAL.
THAT ALLOWED KIDS TO JUST GO THERE AND TRAIN AND PLAY AND JUST KICK THE BALL ABOUT AND NOT HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT, HEY, MOM, DAD, CAN YOU TAKE ME TO THE PARK TO GO PLAY?
>> NO, I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE DOING.
MY GUESS IS A LOT OF YOUR KIDS ARE GOING TO BE DRIVING HERE ANYWAY.
THE PREPONDERANCE OF KIDS PROBABLY ISN'T GOING TO BE WALKING THERE FROM THE NEIGHBORHOOD IN MY OPINION.
MY GUESS IS THAT WON'T TURN OUT TO BE COMPLETELY ACCURATE.
WHILE IT IS A EUROPEAN MODEL, WE'RE NOT IN EUROPE RIGHT NOW, AND SO THERE IS A LITTLE DIFFERENT MODEL HERE IN TERMS OF PEOPLE AND THE HOMES THEY BUY AND WHAT THEY EXPECT BASED ON THE EXISTING ZONING AROUND THEM.
THAT LEADS TO MY QUESTION OF WHY YOU CONSIDER THAT.
YOU'RE CONVINCED THAT THESE LIGHTS WILL NOT AT ALL AFFECT THE NEXT-DOOR NEIGHBORS? HOW HIGH WILL THE LIGHTS BE, SIR?
>> THE INITIAL POLL HEIGHTS FROM THE LIGHTING COMPANY ARE SHOWING AROUND 18 FEET.
>> THE FINAL THING IS, MAYBE NOT FOR YOU, BUT WE'VE GOT A PARKS DEPARTMENT HERE, AND WE'RE KNOWN FOR OUR PARKS, AND IT'S A LITTLE SURPRISING TO ME TO HEAR THAT KIDS CAN'T FIND A PLACE TO PLAY SOCCER.
ON A DIFFERENT NOTE, MAYBE WE SHOULD LOOK AT THAT, BUT THAT'S NOT FOR YOU THAT'S FOR US HERE, MAYBE.
>> CAN I ADDRESS ANY OF THOSE ANYTHING THAT YOU SAID? BEFORE BEFORE, WE'RE NOT PLAYING GAMES THERE, SO THERE WON'T BE THE CHEERING AND SO ON. IT'S TRAINING.
THE PARENTS CAN WATCH THE TRAINING, AND IF YOU'RE GOING TO CHEER YOUR KID ON THROUGH A DRILL OR A TRAINING SESSION.
AGAIN, AS A PARENT, I I DON'T GO TO MY KIDS' TRAININGS AND CHEER THEM ON TRAINING.
WE'RE NOT PLAYING MATCHES THERE.
AGAIN, I WANT TO BE REALLY CLEAR ABOUT THAT.
>> MR. RATLIF. TO MAXIMIZE OUR TIME AND HIS JUST, ASK SPECIFIC QUESTIONS IF POSSIBLE.
>> I'VE GOT A QUESTION FOR STAFF BEFORE I ASK THE APPLICANT.
WHAT IS THE PARKING REQUIREMENT FOR EXERCISE WHATEVER THIS IS FACILITIES?
>> HEALTH FITNESS CENTER BREAKS DOWN DEPENDING ON WHAT KIND IF IT'S A GYM OR TRACK OR THINGS LIKE THAT.
BUT FOR THIS PARTICULAR OUTDOOR FIELD, IT WOULD BE ONE SPACE PER 1,000 SQUARE FEET, WHICH EQUATES TO 12 SPACES BASED ON THEIR SIZE.
BUT THEY HAVE ONE OF THE COMMENTS THAT WE'VE MADE ABOUT, THERE'S A FEW OUTSTANDING COMMENTS.
ONE IS TO INCLUDE THE ADDITIONAL SMALLER FIELD THAT WAS PUT ON THEIR SITE PLAN, AND THAT WOULD INCREASE IT TO 15 SPACES, ROUGHLY 15,000 SQUARE FEET.
>> BUT THEY HAVE MORE THAN THAT.
>> THEY HAVE MORE THAN THAT. YES.
>> WELL, I DIDN'T SEE THAT IN THE REPORT ANYWHERE, AND I GUESS I OVERLOOKED IT.
YES. I APPLAUD WHAT YOU'RE DOING.
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I REALLY DO. I THINK YOU'VE GOT A GOOD MISSION.I'M JUST NOT SURE YOU HAVE THE RIGHT LOCATION.
MY QUESTION IS, HAVE YOU LOOKED AT OTHER LOCATIONS IN PLANO? WE HAVE LOTS OF PROPERTY IN PLANO THAT'S DYING FOR REDEVELOPMENT THAT INDOOR AND OUTDOOR.
WE'VE SEEN GROCERY STORES REUSED FOR PICKLEBALL COURTS.
HAVE YOU LOOKED AT ANY OF THOSE FACILITIES TO SERVE YOUR PURPOSE THAT WOULD BE MORE APPROPRIATELY LOCATED?
>> I WAS HOPING YOUR ANSWER WOULD BE YES.
>> WELL, AND TO THAT POINT, LIKE I SAID, I'M NOT A LAND DEVELOPER.
I DON'T HAVE MILLIONS OF DOLLARS, I DON'T.
WE FELT THAT IT WAS A GREAT SPACE GIVEN THE SIZE OF IT FOR WHAT WE WANTED TO DO.
AGAIN, WE'RE NOT LOOKING. YOU TAKE A GROCERY STORE AND NOW YOU'RE 10 TIMES WHAT WE ARE NOW. WE DON'T WANT THAT.
WE WANT IT TO BE SMALL, WE WANT IT TO BE INTIMATE.
THAT'S WHY WE FELT THAT THE LOCATION WAS PERFECT.
AGAIN, GIVEN THE MODEL OF WHAT WE'RE GOING TO DO, I STILL FIRMLY BELIEVE THAT WE'RE TAKING A LOT THAT NEEDS TO BE REDEVELOPED.
WE'RE BRINGING NEW LIFE TO IT.
I SINCERELY DON'T THINK THAT WE'RE GOING TO NEGATIVELY IMPACT THE AREA AROUND IT WITH WHAT WE'RE DOING WITH OUR BUSINESS MODEL.
>> DO YOU OR WOULD YOU THINK YOU WOULD EVER HAVE PLANS TO ENCLOSE THIS AND MAKE IT AN INDOOR FACILITY?
>> POTENTIALLY, YEAH. DOWN THE ROAD, IF I HAD THE FUNDS TO DO SOMETHING LIKE THAT, THAT COULD BE AN OPTION FOR SURE, BECAUSE OBVIOUSLY TO BEAT THE HEAT AND HAVE AC WOULD BE IDEAL.
>> THE REASON I ASKED THAT IS ORIGINALLY, IT WAS CONSIDERED A YEAR OR TWO AGO AS AN INDOOR FACILITY, I THINK WAS MUCH BETTER RECEIVED.
I THINK THAT THE OUTSIDE COMPONENT IS WHAT'S CERTAINLY GIVING ME A PROBLEM WITH THE LIGHTS AND, THE TRAFFIC CAN BE MITIGATED, BUT THE LIGHTS AND THE NOISE ARE A LOT HARDER TO MITIGATE ON AN OUTSIDE FACILITY, LIGHTS SPECIFICALLY.
THAT'S IN THE MIDDLE OF A NEIGHBORHOOD, THAT'S WHAT'S GIVEN ME PROBLEMS. I'LL RESERVE THE REST OF MY COMMENTS FOR SOMETHING CLOSE.
>> I WILL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND CAN FIND DISCUSSIONS TO THE COMMISSION.
I REALLY THINK I CAN ENVISION WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT IN TERMS OF BEING A SMALL NEIGHBORHOOD, PARTICULARLY IN THE UK OR SOME PLACE WHERE I MEAN, THAT'S THEIR LIVES.
AS AN INDOOR FACILITY, I THINK YOU ERASE A WHOLE BUNCH OF THE ISSUES THAT WE'RE DISCUSSING.
I'VE ALWAYS LOOKED AT ZONING CASES AND REQUESTS TO CHANGE THEM WITH AN EYE TOWARD, IS IT SUPPORTED BY THE LOCAL NEIGHBORS OR NOT? BECAUSE IF IT WAS ALREADY ZONED THIS AND THEY MOVED IN, AND THEN YOU BUILT IT, WELL, YOU WERE THERE FIRST KIND OF THING.
BUT IN THIS CASE, YOU'RE ASKING TO CREATE A USE SURROUNDED BY PEOPLE WHO HAVE BEEN THERE FOR A WHILE, KNOW WHAT IS SUPPOSED TO BE THERE.
IT'S UNFORTUNATE TIMING WISE, PERHAPS FOR YOU THAT WE HAVE A LOT OF FOLKS AGING IN PLACE IN PLANO.
WE BOUGHT OUR HOUSES, AND THIS IS WHERE WE WANT TO LIVE.
TEN YEARS FROM NOW, THESE GUYS MAY HAVE MOVED ON AND THE OTHER NEIGHBORS THAT ARE OLDER AND THEN YOU HAVE YOUNG FAMILIES IN WITH YOUNG KIDS, AND THEY MAY BE GOING, OH, MY GOD, WE'RE GOING TO GET A SOCCER FIELD RIGHT NEXT TO OUR HOUSE.
I'M NOT IN A POSITION, I THINK WHERE I COULD PROBABLY SUPPORT THIS.
IF IT WAS AN INDOOR FACILITY, I WOULD HAVE A LOT LESS ISSUES WITH IT.
I THINK IT WOULD THEN RESPECT THE NEIGHBORS.
I DON'T THINK IT WOULD BE NEARLY AS BAD AS THEY ENVISION, BUT IT WOULD BE AN IMPACT.
ANYONE ELSE WANT TO MR. RATLIF.
>> YEAH, I'M IN THE SAME PLACE, BUT I WANT TO GO ONE STEP FURTHER.
IT'S CURRENTLY ZONED 01, AND PER THE STAFF REPORT, 01 IS INTENDED TO SERVE AS AN AREA OF TRANSITION BETWEEN RESIDENTIAL AND HIGHER INTENSITY NON RESIDENTIAL USES.
AS MUCH AS I LIKE THE IDEA AND THE CONCEPT OF WHAT YOU'RE WANTING TO ACHIEVE, AND I APPLAUD IT.
I DO BELIEVE THIS FALLS UNDER A HIGHER INTENSITY NON RESIDENTIAL USE, WHICH IS INTENDED TO BE BUFFERED BY AN 01 DISTRICT, NOT BE PART OF AN 01 DISTRICT.
IF YOU WERE ONE ZONING CATEGORY AWAY IN 02, I'D HAVE NO PROBLEM WITH IT AT ALL.
IF YOU WERE INDOORS, I'D PROBABLY HAVE NO PROBLEM WITH IT AT ALL.
BUT IN AN 01, IS INTENDED TO BE A BUFFER.
THAT'S WHY IT'S A GARDEN OFFICE QUIET,
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ESPECIALLY AT NIGHTS AND WEEKENDS, IT'S INTENDED TO BE SILENT.A GARDEN OFFICE IS AS QUIET AS YOU CAN GET ON NIGHTS AND WEEKENDS, AND THIS WILL BE EXACTLY THE OPPOSITE.
THAT'S WHAT GIVES ME PROBLEMS. AS A RESULT, I CAN'T SUPPORT IT AS AN OUTDOOR FACILITY.
>> I THINK THE CHAIR AND COMMISSIONER RATLIFF HAVE REPRESENTED MY THOUGHTS A LOT.
AS I SAID, I THINK IT'S A NOBLE IDEA. I LIKE THE IDEA.
I THINK THAT WE'RE HERE TO TALK ABOUT LAND USE.
IN MY OPINION, REGRETFULLY, THIS ISN'T THE RIGHT LAND USE HERE.
IT'S CHALLENGING FOR ME TO SUPPORT THIS.
I WOULD LOVE TO SEE THIS GENTLEMAN POSSIBLY LOOK FOR ANOTHER SITE, BUT IT'LL BE HARD FOR ME TO SUPPORT THIS PARTICULAR ONE.
>> THANK YOU. FIRST, I WANT TO SAY THAT I DON'T REQUIRE ANY PERSUASION AS TO THE BENEFITS OF GETTING KIDS INVOLVED IN ORGANIZED SOCCER.
WHEN I WAS A TEENAGER, MY FAMILY, INCLUDING MYSELF, LIVED IN ITALY FOR THREE YEARS, AND WE WERE EXPOSED TO EUROPEAN SOCCER IN A BIG WAY.
I STILL FOLLOW THE ITALIAN SOCCER LEAGUE.
I LOOK AT THE HIGHLIGHTS ON YOUTUBE.
I HAVE A FAVORITE TEAM IN THE ITALIAN LEAGUE.
I PLAYED A LITTLE SOCCER MYSELF IN MY YOUTH.
BUT I'M ALSO A PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSIONER, AND I HAVE TO LOOK AT THIS CASE FROM THE STANDPOINT OF, IS THIS A GOOD USE FOR THIS LAND? WHAT I'M SEEING IS A NOBLE IDEA THAT, UNFORTUNATELY, BECAUSE OF ITS LOCATION, THREATENS TO ADVERSELY IMPACT ADJACENT RESIDENTIAL PROPERTIES.
IN TERMS OF POTENTIAL FOR LIGHT, THE NOISE IS UNAVOIDABLE, LET'S FACE IT.
PARKING. I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THIS PROJECT SUCCEED, BUT I THINK IT BELONGS SOMEWHERE ELSE. THANK YOU.
>> YOU WANT TO ADD ANYTHING OR MAKE A MOTION OR WHERE YOU AT?
>> IF EVERYBODY ELSE IS WHERE WE'RE SOUNDING LIKE WE'RE GOING TO BE, I'VE GOT TO SAY, AS WELL, I AGREE WITH EVERYTHING THAT ALL OF THE COMMISSIONERS HAVE SAID, AND IT'S DISAPPOINTING TO ME THAT, WE'RE NOT ABLE TO DO SOMETHING BETTER FOR THIS CURRENT LAND, BUT I DON'T THINK IT'S FAIR TO OUR CITIZENRY TO MAKE ANY OTHER DECISIONS.
I MOVE THAT AGENDA ITEM 4A THAT WE DECLINE OR WE FOLLOW THE RECOMMENDATION OF STAFF AND DECLINE TO MOVE THIS FORWARD.
I HAVE A MOTION BY COMMISSIONER BRONSKY WITH A SECOND BY COMMISSIONER KERRY TO DENY THE PETITION FOR ITEM 4A.
PLEASE VOTE. THAT CARRIES 7-0. ITEM 4B.
>> I'M SORRY. I MOVE THAT WE DENY ITEM 4B AS RECOMMENDED BY STAFF AS WELL.
>>I HAVE A MOTION BY COMMISSIONER BRONSKY WITH THE SECOND BY COMMISSIONER RATLIFF TO DENY THE APPLICATE ON ITEM 4B.
FOR STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION, PLEASE VOTE.
PERHAPS YOU MIGHT FIND A WAY TO ENCLOSE THIS AND MIGHT HAVE A DIFFERENT OUTCOME.
[Items 5A & 5B]
LET'S MOVE ON TO ITEM 5A.>> AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 5A, PUBLIC HEARING, ZONING CASE CC 2024-002, REQUEST TO REZONE FROM CORRIDOR COMMERCIAL AND PLANNED DEVELOPMENT 1,2,3 DOWNTOWN BUSINESS/GOVERNMENT TO PLAN DEVELOPMENT 1,2,3 DOWNTOWN BUSINESS/GOVERNMENT ON 8.6 ACRES LOCATED ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF 14TH STREET, 330 FEET EAST OF US HIGHWAY 75.
PETITIONER IS REGENCY PROPERTY INVESTORS LP, MICHAEL AND PAMELA WALKER, PLANO FAMILY 001 LP, AND TEXAS STATE AFFORDABLE HOUSING CORPORATION, AND THIS IS FOR LEGISLATIVE CONSIDERATION.
>> SHOULD WE READ 5B? THEY'RE CONNECTED. PLEASE READ 5B AS WELL.
>> AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 5B, REVISED PRELIMINARY SITE PLAN, PATRIOT PARK, BLOCK A LOT 2R-129 MULTIFAMILY RESIDENT UNITS ON ONE LOT ON 2.4 ACRES LOCATED ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF 14TH STREET, 330 FEET EAST OF US HIGHWAY 75,
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ZONE PLAN DEVELOPMENT 123-DOWNTOWN BUSINESS, DOWNTOWN/ BUSINESS GOVERNMENT AND CORRIDOR COMMERCIAL.APPLICANT IS REGENCY PROPERTY INVESTORS, LP, MICHAEL AND PAMELA WALKER.
THIS IS FOR ADMINISTRATIVE CONSIDERATION PENDING ITEM NUMBER 5A.
>> GOOD EVENING. THE REQUEST IS TO EXPAND PD-123 AND PG TO INCLUDE A 0.2 ACRE PROPERTY AT THE SOUTHWEST CORNER OF 14TH AND F AVENUE.
THE APPLICANT IS ALSO PROPOSING STIPULATIONS TO BUILD A MULTI FAMILY RESIDENCE.
THE 0.2 ACRE PROPERTY IS CURRENTLY ZONED CORRIDOR COMMERCIAL.
ON THE SCREEN, YOU'LL SEE HIGHLIGHTED IN BLUE IS THE CORRIDOR COMMERCIAL PROPERTY THEY ARE PROPOSING TO REZONE.
THE PROPERTIES TO THE NORTH OF 14TH STREET ARE ZONED CORRIDOR COMMERCIAL AND DOWNTOWN BUSINESS GOVERNMENT, ALSO KNOWN AS BG, AND DEVELOPED WITH A BANK, OFFICE, RETAIL, MULTI FAMILY, AND SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENCES.
THE PROPERTIES TO THE EAST OF G AVENUE AND NORTH OF 13TH AND 14TH CONNECTOR IS DEVELOPED WITH A PAWNSHOP AND OFFICES IN ZONE BG.
THE PROPERTIES TO THE SOUTH OF 13TH AND 14TH COLLECTOR IS DEVELOPED WITH SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENCES IN RETAIL AND IS ZONE GENERAL RESIDENCE AND CORRIDOR COMMERCIAL.
THE PROPERTIES TO THE WEST ARE ZONED CORRIDOR COMMERCIAL AND DEVELOPED WITH A MEDICAL OFFICE AND RESTAURANTS.
ALONG WITH THE ZONING CASE, THERE IS THE REVISED PRELIMINARY SITE PLAN THAT IS ITEM 5B.
THE PLAN IS PROPOSING A 129 MULTI FAMILY UNIT RESIDENCE, INCLUDING THE 0.2 ACRE PROPERTY.
THE UNIT COUNT HAS NOT CHANGED FROM THE PREVIOUSLY APPROVED PLAN.
THEY ARE JUST ADDING THE 0.2 ACRE PROPERTY IN ORDER TO HAVE MORE DEVELOPABLE AREA AS PART OF THEIR PROJECT.
THERE ARE TWO APARTMENT BUILDINGS ON THE SITE.
THERE IS ONE BUILDING ON THE WEST SIDE.
THOSE WILL CONTAIN ALL THE GARAGE SPACES.
THEN THE BUILDING ON THE EAST SIDE WILL CONTAIN SOME OF THE STANDARD PARKING TUCK UNDER PODIUM PARKING.
FOR THE HISTORY OF THE SITE, YOU'LL SEE ON THE SCREEN, THERE IS A PORTION OF THE SITE THAT IS COLORED IN BLUE.
IN 2002, PD-123 WAS CREATED AND APPROVED ON THAT 1.5 ACRES, AND IT WAS INTENDED TO ALLOW THE BUILDING OF AN INDEPENDENT LIVING FACILITY.
THAT INDEPENDENT LIVING FACILITY WAS NEVER CONSTRUCTED.
IN 2012, THE PROPERTY WAS REZONED A PD-123 OF BG.
THAT WAS TO ALLOW MULTI FAMILY.
THAT'S WHERE STIPULATIONS 1 AND 2 WERE FIRST PROVIDED.
THEN IN 2023, THE SITE PLANS FOR PARK ON 14TH APARTMENTS WAS APPROVED FOR 62 MULTIFAMILY UNITS, AND IT IS UNDER CONSTRUCTION TODAY.
IN 2016, THERE WAS A ZONING CASE TO EXPAND PD-123-BG, TO INCLUDE THE ADJACENT 5.6 ACRE PROPERTIES, AND THOSE ARE SHOWN IN RED AND YELLOW.
THE RED WAS PLAN TO BE A FIRST PHASE, AND THE YELLOWS WAS PLANED TO BE A SECOND PHASE.
IN 2016, THIS CONCEPT WAS CALLED THE ARTIST LOSS.
THEN IN 2018, THE SITE PLAN FOR THE PATRIOT PARK PHASE 1 APARTMENTS WAS APPROVED FOR 139 UNITS.
THEN IN 2022, THE PRELIMINARY SITE PLAN FOR PATRIOT PARK PHASE 2 WAS APPROVED FOR 129 MULTIFAMILY UNITS.
THE REVISED PRELIMINARY SITE PLAN TODAY IS FOR THAT 2022 PRELIMINARY SITE PLAN, AND THAT IS WHAT THEY'RE SEEKING TO REVISE.
THERE ARE CURRENTLY FOUR EXISTING PD-123 STIPULATIONS, AND THOSE ARE THE ONES CURRENTLY GUIDING THE SITE TODAY.
THERE ARE NO PLANS TO MODIFY ANY OF THE EXISTING STIPULATIONS ON THE PROPERTY.
I JUST WANT TO NOTE, THERE IS A PROPERTY ON THE SOUTHERN BOUNDARY OF THE SITE.
IT'S LOCATED AT 608 13TH STREET.
ACCORDING TO PD STIPULATION NUMBER 4, THERE IS A REQUIRED 15-FOOT LANDSCAPE BUFFER AND A SIX-FOOT FENCE.
THE SIX-FOOT FENCE HAS SINCE BEEN BUILT AND INSTALLED IN THAT AREA.
BUT AS OF TODAY, THERE'S NO LANDSCAPE BUFFER PLANTINGS.
YOU CAN SEE ON THE FIRST PICTURE ON THE TOP, THAT IS CURRENTLY THAT PROPERTY TO THE WEST SIDE TODAY SO THERE'S NO LANDSCAPING THERE, BUT YOU CAN SEE THE FENCE.
THEN ON THE EAST SIDE, THERE IS THE ABOVE-GROUND UTILITY THAT MUST ALSO BE REMOVED AS PART OF THAT LANDSCAPE BUFFER.
THE APPLICANT HAS COMMITTED TO REMOVING IT AS PART OF THEIR PROJECT.
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THE RELOCATION SITE HAS NOT BEEN DETERMINED AS OF THE PRELIMINARY SITE PLAN, BUT WE WILL REVIEW THAT.THE APPLICANT IS ALSO PROPOSING ADDITIONAL AMENDMENTS TO PD-123 IN ORDER TO BUILD THEIR MULTI-FAMILY RESIDENCE.
THE FIRST ONE IS ALIGN 330 UNITS WITHIN THE PD-123 IN BG.
ADDITIONAL STIPULATIONS ARE GARAGE AND TANDEM PARKING SPACES WILL COUNT TOWARDS MEETING PARKING MINIMUMS AND COMPACT SPACE PERCENTAGE REQUIREMENTS.
THEN THEY ARE ALSO ADDRESSING NOISE MITIGATION AND POLLUTION MITIGATION, AND THOSE ARE PRETTY STANDARD LANGUAGE THAT WE HAVE USED FOR OTHER PLAN DEVELOPMENTS, AND I'LL GO THROUGH THEM NOW.
JUST TO COVER THE FIRST ONE, THIS IS FOR THE WHOLE SITE.
THE MAXIMUM NUMBER OF UNITS FOR THE WHOLE PD IS 330 MULTIFAMILY UNITS.
ON THE SCREEN, YOU CAN SEE THE BLUE, RED AND YELLOW AGAIN.
IN THAT WHOLE AREA, THERE'S GOING TO BE 330 UNITS.
THERE'S NO INCREASE FROM THE PREVIOUS PLAN AS STATED, AND THEY WERE JUST EXPANDING THE AREA FOR THE 129 FAMILY UNITS.
HERE IS THEIR FIRST AMENDMENT OR SECOND.
THIS IS REGARDING THE GARAGE ENCLOSURES.
TYPICALLY, GARAGES ARE NOT CONSIDERED AS PART OF THE PARKING REQUIREMENT, BUT THE APPLICANT IS WANTING TO COUNT GARAGES AS PART OF THE PARKING COUNT MINIMUM.
THE CURRENT CONCERNS WE HAVE FOR THAT IS GARAGES CAN OFTEN BE USED AS STORAGE, AND SO THE APPLICANT IS PROPOSING TO HAVE REQUIREMENTS TO NOT BE USED FOR STORAGE OR UNRELATED USES ON THE PROPERTY, AND SO THAT IS GOING TO BE A SELF REGULATED POLICY.
BUT IT WILL BE DICTATED BY THE PD.
[NOISE] THEN THE SECOND ONE IS TANDEM PARKING SPACES WILL ALSO BE ALLOWED TO BE PERMITTED FOR THE REQUIRED PARKING MINIMUMS. THERE ARE 10 SPACES IN FRONT OF THE GARAGES ON THE WEST SIDE THAT THERE IS ENOUGH ROOM FOR A PARKING SPACE, AND THE APPLICANT IS PROPOSING TO USE THOSE SPACES TO COUNT AS PARKING.
TANDEM PARKING IS ALSO NOT TYPICALLY REQUIRED OR COUNTED TOWARDS THE REQUIRED PARKING. LET'S SEE.
ONE OF THE REASONS FOR THE DIFFICULTY IS, IT'S DIFFICULT TO ENFORCE THE GARAGE AND TANDEM PARKING SPACES TO COUNT.
FOR EXAMPLE, IF A HOUSEHOLD WITH, ONE DRIVER HAS A GARAGE AND TANDEM SPACE, AND THEY PARK OUTSIDE THE TANDEM SPACE, THEY CAN USE THE GARAGE AS STORAGE, AND IT WOULD BE VERY DIFFICULT TO GO INSPECT THAT EVERY TIME.
IT IS HARD AND VERY HARD TO ENFORCE.
THE PREVIOUS PLAN REQUIRED NO MODIFIED DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS TO MEET PARKING REQUIREMENTS.
IT WAS PREVIOUSLY DOABLE, AND EVEN WITH THE ADDITIONAL AREA, THEY ARE REQUESTING THESE MODIFIED STANDARDS.
THE RESTRICTIVE PARKING THAT IS CAUSED BY THE TANDEM AND GARAGE PARKING MAY CAUSE PEOPLE TO PARK ON NEARBY STREETS, IMPACTING SURROUNDING NEIGHBORS AND STREET NETWORKS.
THAT IS ONE OF OUR LARGER CONCERNS.
ALSO ON PARKING, OVER THAN 50% OF THE TOTAL PARKING SPACES IN THE BG DISTRICTS ARE ALLOWED TO BE COMPACT.
THAT IS BY OUR ZONING ORDINANCE, BUT WE ARE ALSO JUST STATING IT HERE IN THE PD BECAUSE CURRENTLY IN THEIR MIX, WITHOUT STIPULATIONS, COMPACT PARKING WOULD COUNT FOR 63% OF THE SPACES ON SITE.
THAT IS BECAUSE GARAGES AND TANDEM SPACES DO NOT COUNT IN NORMAL SITUATIONS BY CITYWIDE.
DOWNTOWN BUSINESS GOVERNMENT ALREADY HAS RESTRICTED PARKING STANDARDS COMPARED TO THE REST OF THE CITY, AND I THINK IT WOULD JUST CREATE ADDITIONAL CHALLENGES FOR THE SITE AND NEARBY PROPERTIES.
ONE OF THE CONCERNS ALSO WAS ONLY 28% OF PARKING SPACES ARE CONSIDERED STANDARD SPACES ON THE SITE.
UNDER BUILDING 2, SO THE EASTERN BUILDING, THERE ARE PLANS FOR PODIUM PARKING WITH A NUMBER OF SPACES UNDERNEATH.
CURRENTLY ON THE PRELIMINARY SITE PLAN, THE APPLICANT DOES SHOW POSSIBLE LOCATIONS FOR STRUCTURAL PODIUM PILLARS, BUT WE DON'T KNOW THE COMPLETE SIZE YET AS IT MAY CHANGE IN THE PLANS, AND SO IF THE PILLARS CHANGE SIZE IN THE PLANS, THEN THAT MAY OVERALL AFFECT THE NUMBER OF SPACES THAT CAN PROVIDE UNDER THE BUILDING.
THEY'RE CURRENTLY AT THE REQUIRED PARKING AT 142, AND THEY HAVE 142 OUT OF 142.
IF THEY LOSE ANY SPACES, THEN THAT IS GOING TO CREATE DEFICIENCY IN THEIR PARKING.
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IN THE CURRENT LOCATION OF THE PROPERTY, IT IS LOCATED IN THE ENVIRONMENTAL HEALTH AREA ONE, AND MULTI FAMILY IS CONSIDERED A SENSITIVE LAND USE.THE APPLICANT DID PROVIDE A NOISE STUDY, AND IN THE NOISE STUDY, IT FOUND THE PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT IS NOT CONSISTENT WITH THE EHA GUIDELINES.
BUT THE APPLICANT WITH THIS INFORMATION IS PROPOSING NOISE AND POLLUTION MITIGATION STANDARDS, AND THAT INCLUDES HAVING NO BALCONIES ON THE WEST SIDE, AND THEN MEETING INTERNAL NOISE REQUIREMENTS THROUGH ARCHITECTS AND ENGINEERS TO KEEP IT BELOW 45 DECIBELS.
YOU CAN SEE WHERE IT'S LOCATED.
THERE'S LIKE THE LIGHT BLUE PORTION.
IT'S HARD TO SEE, BUT THAT'S WHERE THE SUBJECT PROPERTY IS LOCATED.
THEN HERE THE POLLUTION MITIGATION MEASURES.
IT LOOKS LIKE THE NOISE ONE IS OUT.
BUT AS MENTIONED, THEY ARE STANDARD STIPULATIONS FOR NOISE POLLUTION MITIGATION.
THE NOISE MITIGATION ISN'T ON THE SLIDES, BUT THEY ARE IN THE REPORT.
IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO REVIEW IT, IT IS ON THERE. THERE WE GO.
AS FAR AS CONFORMANCE TO THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, IT IS LOCATED IN THE DOWNTOWN CORRIDORS CATEGORY OF THE FUTURE LAND USE MAP.
OVERALL, THE SITE IS CONSISTENT WITH A LOT OF THE ELEMENTS OF THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
THE EXPRESSWAY CORRIDOR, ENVIRONMENTAL HEALTH AREA MUST BE DETERMINED BY THE COMMISSION.
FOR RESPONSES WITHIN THE SUBJECT PROPERTY, WE RECEIVED ONE IN SUPPORT.
FOR PROPERTIES WITHIN 200 FEET.
WE RECEIVED FOUR TOTAL LETTERS, ONE IN SUPPORT, AND THREE IN OPPOSITION.
YOU CAN SEE THE PROPERTY IN THE VERY TOP RIGHT CORNER.
WE RECEIVED TWO LETTERS BECAUSE IT AS AN APARTMENT UNIT.
WE RECEIVED ANOTHER LETTER THAT DID NOT STATE WHETHER THEY WERE IN SUPPORT OR AGAINST OR NEUTRAL TO THIS CASE.
THEY WERE NOT INCLUDED AS PART OF THE SUPER MAJORITY LETTERS.
TOTAL RESPONSES FOR THE SITE RECEIVED ARE SEVEN, THREE IN SUPPORT, FOUR AGAINST, AND THEN THAT ONE EXTRA LETTER.
IN SUMMARY, THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING TO REZONE THAT 0.2 ACRE PROPERTY FROM CARTER COMMERCIAL TO PD-123-BG, TO INCLUDE IN THE PATRIOT PARK PHASE 2 MULTIFAMILY APARTMENT.
THERE IS NO INCREASE IN THE PROPOSED MULTIFAMILY UNITS.
STAFF HAS CONCERNS OF THE ABILITY TO MEET PARKING REQUIREMENTS AND RESTRICTIVE PARKING MAY IMPACT NEIGHBORS AND NEARBY STREETS.
THE ZONING CASE AND THE PRELIMINARY SITE PLAN ARE RECOMMENDED FOR DENIAL.
I'M AVAILABLE FOR ANY QUESTIONS.
>> CAN I? [NOISE] THE EXISTING PD IS ALREADY APPROVED FOR THE NUMBER OF UNITS THEY'RE WANTING TO BUILD.
>> WELL, SO THE NUMBER OF UNITS ARE WANTING TO BUILD WAS APPROVED ON THE PRELIMINARY SITE PLAN IN 2022?
>> WE'RE JUST CODIFYING IT IN THIS PD THAT 330 WILL BE THE ALLOWED LIMIT FOR THE PD.
WHAT I'M CURIOUS ABOUT IS THAT IT WAS APPROVED IN 2022, YOU SAID, I THINK? PARKING WOULD HAVE BEEN SOMETHING THAT WAS ADDRESSED THEN.
IT SOUNDS TO ME LIKE IT WAS APPROVED IN 2022.
ALL WE'VE DONE IS WE'RE ADDING 0.2 OF AN ACRE TO THE PD AREA.
THE PARKING WAS SOMETHING THAT WOULD HAVE BEEN DISCUSSED AND EVALUATED BACK IN 2022.
IT SEEMS TO ME ALL WE'RE DOING REALLY IS SAYING, WE'LL ADD 0.2 OF AN ACRE TO THE PROJECT IN GENERAL.
THAT SOUNDS LIKE WHAT WE'RE DOING.
THEN BRINGING SOME OF IT UP TO DATE ON THE PD LANGUAGE BASED ON THE NOISE AND POLLUTION REQUIREMENTS THAT WE'VE NOW PUT IN PLACE.
>> IN THE DESIGNS FROM THE 2022 PROJECT AND THEN THE CURRENT PROPOSAL, THERE'S A REASON DOWN ON THE PARKING.
ON THE 22 PLANS, THERE WAS PLANS FOR PODIUM PARKING ON THE GROUND FLOOR FOR THE WHOLE SITE, AND SO THAT WAS ABLE TO ACCOMMODATE A LOT OF THE PARKING ON THE SITE.
BUT NOW IN THIS PROPOSAL, THERE IS MORE SURFACE PARKING AROUND THE BUILDINGS.
ALTHOUGH THERE IS A FEW TUCK IN PARKINGS UNDER THE EAST SIDE BUILDING, MOST OF THEM ARE GOING TO BE SURFACE PARKING LOTS, AND A LOT OF THEM ARE COMPACT SPACES AS WELL.
THAT'S THE REASON WHY WE HAD TO ADDRESS IT THROUGH PD STIPULATIONS.
>> IS THIS ALREADY SUBJECT TO YOU SAID DECREASED PARKING REQUIREMENTS BECAUSE IT'S DOWNTOWN BG, RIGHT?
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>> I JUST WANT TO CLARIFY THAT THE 2022 PLAN WAS A SINGLE BUILDING WITH ALL THE PARKING UNDERNEATH.
THERE WERE NO MODIFICATIONS TO PARKING STANDARDS REQUESTED.
IT MET THE STANDARD BG PARKING SPACES. [NOISE].
>> PART OF THIS REQUEST IS TO ALLOW THOSE DEVIATIONS FROM STANDARD PARKING REQUIREMENTS IN ORDER TO PROVIDE MORE GARAGE, MORE TANDEM, AND MORE COMPACT THAT WOULD TYPICALLY BE ALLOWED.
>> OKAY. YES. MICROPHONE, LEAN IN. THERE YOU GO.
>> WHAT'S THE RATIO OF THE PARKING PER UNIT?
>> IT IS FOR EFFICIENCY AND ONE BEDROOM UNITS ARE ONE PARKING SPACE.
FOR TWO BEDROOMS, IT'S 1.5, AND THEN FOR THREE BEDROOMS OR MORE, IT'S TWO SPACES. THAT'S IN BG.
>> OKAY. NOW, IT'S 147 FOR THE 129, RIGHT? THE 147.
>> [OVERLAPPING] 142 FOR THE 129?
>> YES, FOR THE 129 UNITS THAT THEY'RE ADDING, RIGHT? IT'S LIKE ONE POINT SOMETHING, RIGHT?
>> ALMOST 23% OF THOSE ARE GOING TO BE LIKE NON COMPLIANT, BASICALLY, BECAUSE THEY'RE GOING TO BE THE TANDEM AND THE GARAGES?
>> YES. BECAUSE THEY WILL BE ASSIGNED TO THE SAME UNIT, IT MAY END UP DECREASING THE RATE FOR SOME OF THE OTHER UNITS THAT WON'T HAVE THE, SO IT WON'T BE THE 1.5 THAT THEY MIGHT NORMALLY GET.
>> A COUPLE OF TECHNICAL QUESTIONS.
IF THE GARAGES WEREN'T ENCLOSED, WOULD YOU ALLOW TANDEM PARKING? IS THAT ALLOWED?
>> NO, BECAUSE THE PARKING SPACE WOULD HAVE TO HAVE OPEN ACCESS IN AND OUT.
IF THERE WAS A PARKING SPACE BEHIND THE GARAGE, THEN THE PERSON INSIDE THE GARAGE, I GUESS, IN THIS CASE, WOULD NOT HAVE OPEN ACCESS.
WE WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO CONSIDER A PARKING SPACE.
>> OKAY. EVEN IF THE GARAGE DIDN'T HAVE A DOOR, ONE OF THOSE STILL WOULDN'T COUNT UNDER CURRENT PARKING CODE?
>> I THINK WE WOULD ALLOW ONE SPACE TO COUNT, BUT NOT BOTH.
>> RIGHT. THAT'S MY POINT. THE TANDEM, YOU DON'T GET IT EITHER WAY UNDER CURRENT, WHETHER IT'S ENCLOSED OR NOT ENCLOSED.
UNDER CURRENT CODE, YOU DON'T GET TO COUNT BOTH OF THEM EITHER WAY. YOU COUNT ONE.
>> OKAY. SECOND, DO YOU KNOW AND I CAN ASK THIS THE APPLICANT IN A MINUTE, OF THE 29 SPACES THAT ARE UNDER THE OVERHANG, ARE THOSE GOING TO BE ASSIGNED LIKE THE GARAGE UNITS TO DIFFERENT APARTMENTS?
>> I AM NOT SURE. YOU CAN ADDRESS THE APPLICANT WITH THAT QUESTION.
>> I'M GOING TO ASSUME THAT THEY WILL AND BECAUSE HERE'S MY QUESTION.
IF WE ASSUME THAT THOSE ARE ASSIGNED TO DIFFERENT UNITS, THAT ONLY LEAVES 11 STANDARD SIZE SURFACE PARKING SPACES, AND 69 COMPACT SPACES FOR VISITORS AND NON ASSIGNED TENANTS, WHICH MEANS 90% OF THE REMAINING SPACES ARE COMPACT.
I'VE BEEN IN TEXAS A LONG TIME. THAT DON'T WORK.
THERE'S GOING TO BE A LOT OF PICKUP TRUCKS AND JEEPS AND SUVS AND 80% OF YOUR PARKING SPACES, NON ASSIGNED BEING COMPACT DOESN'T WORK.
I REALIZE THAT MIGHT MEET THE RATIO IF WE COUNT ALL THE TANDEM AND GARAGE AND ASSIGNED AND ALL THAT.
BUT PRACTICALLY SPEAKING, IN MY OPINION, IT DOESN'T WORK.
IS THERE ANYTHING IN THE CODE THAT ADDRESSES THE PERCENTAGE OF NON ASSIGNED SPACES THAT CAN BE COMPACT VISITOR SPACES BECAUSE THAT SEEMS LIKE A HUGE ISSUE.
>> NO, THE BG ZONING JUST ALLOWS UP TO 50% TO BE COMPACT SPACES OF THOSE PROVIDED ON SITE.
THEN JUST ONE OTHER THING FOR CONSIDERATION IS THE BG ALLOWS THE COMPACT SPACES TO BE ONE FEET NARROWER THAN IN OTHER PARTS OF THE CITY, SO THERE'S THAT ALLOWANCE AS WELL.
THEY'RE ACTUALLY SMALLER THAN WHERE THEY WOULD BE ELSEWHERE IN THE CITY.
>> [LAUGHTER] NOT ONLY ARE THEY THEY'RE ULTRA COMPACT SPACES.
>> WELL, WOW. THAT'S A BIGGER PROBLEM.
THAT'S MY QUESTION FOR NOW. THANK YOU.
>> THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN. WILL YOU JUST ANSWERED MY FIRST QUESTION, WHICH WAS, WHAT ARE THE STANDARDS FOR A COMPACT PARKING SPACE?
>> IF HYPOTHETICALLY SPEAKING, WE WERE TO DENY THIS APPLICATION, WOULD THE PREVIOUS APPROVAL OF THE 2022 CASE THAT WAS APPROVED,
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WOULD THAT STILL REMAIN IN EFFECT?>> I BELIEVE THE PLAN WOULD EXPIRE IF THIS IS REJECTED.
>> I DON'T BELIEVE SO. IF THIS IS APPROVED, IT WOULD SUPERSEDE THE PERSONAL.
BUT IF THIS IS DENIED, I THINK THE OTHER ONE IS STILL VALID.
>> THE OTHER ONE IS STILL VALID. WHAT DOES THE PREVIOUSLY APPROVED PLAN PROVIDE? WHAT WOULD THEY BE LEFT WITH IN THAT SITUATION UNDER THE PREVIOUSLY APPROVED PLAN?
>> AS PART OF THEIR MULTIFAMILY DEVELOPMENT?
>> THEY WOULD BE ABLE TO BUILD A MULTIFAMILY WITH 129 UNITS.
>> ON A PODIUM PLATFORM WITH TUCK UNDER PARKING.
>> NOW, WHAT DOES THE CURRENT PLAN PROVIDE THAT IS DIFFERENT FROM OR IN ADDITION TO WHAT HAS ALREADY BEEN APPROVED?
>> THERE IS THAT ADDITIONAL 0.2 ACRE PARKING OR 0.2 ACRE LOT THAT WOULD BE HELPFUL TO PROVIDING MORE SURFACE PARKING.
AND SO IT JUST ACCOMMODATES THEIR REDESIGN OF THE SITE.
>> THANK YOU. I'LL HAVE SOME COMMENTS LATER, ESPECIALLY ABOUT COMPACT PARKING BUT I'LL RESERVE THOSE.
>> I THINK THOUGH YOU BRING UP A GOOD POINT.
AS THEY'RE ADDING ACREAGE, SOMEHOW THE PARKING NOW IS MORE OF A PROBLEM AND IT'S BECAUSE THEY'RE MOVING FROM A PODIUM CONSTRUCTION TO MORE SURFACE.
IS THAT WHAT'S GOING ON BASICALLY?
>> I DEFINITELY SHARE THE CONCERN ABOUT PARKING.
I HAVE A QUESTION ABOUT THE EHA AS WELL.
UNDER THE PREVIOUS PLAN IN 2022, WAS THE EHA ADDRESSED AT THAT TIME AND SO THERE'S NO DIFFERENCE OR IS THERE A DIFFERENCE?
>> PART OF THE PLAN DEVELOPMENT, I THINK CREATION, I THINK SOME OF THE STIPULATIONS ADDRESS THE EHA CONCERNS, SO THAT'S WHY THERE IS THAT LANDSCAPE BEING ON THE WEST SIDE.
ALONG THE WEST SIDE, THERE IS A REQUIRED 10 FOOT LANDSCAPE BUFFER AND SO IT WAS PARTIALLY ADDRESSED THEN.
BUT WITH BRINGING IN THE NEW PART OF THE NEW PROPERTY TO THE SITE, IT REQUIRES THE SITE TO MEET THE EHA GUIDELINES.
THAT'S WHY WE HAD TO READDRESS THE EHA GUIDELINES THIS TIME AND TO GET A NEW NOISE STUDY IN TO MAKE SURE THAT THE WHOLE SITE WOULD BE IN COMPLIANCE.
>> THE PREVIOUS SITE PLAN WAS APPROVED UNDER THE ZONING THAT WAS APPROVED IN 2016, WHICH PREDATES THE EXPRESSWAY CORRIDOR MAP.
IT'S THE FACT THAT THEY'RE OPENING UP THE ZONING NOW THAT MAKES THEM SUBJECT TO THOSE REQUIREMENTS.
>> HOLD ON, I HAD A SECOND QUESTION, BUT I LOST MY COMPUTER.
>> I DO WANT TO ADD ONE NOTE ABOUT THE NOISE MITIGATION.
IT WASN'T ON THE SLIDES, BUT THERE IS ALSO A PROPOSED SIX FOOT MASONRY OR METAL WALL FOR ANY USABLE OPEN SPACE.
THAT'S TO HELP ANY NOISE MITIGATIONS ON THE PROPERTY.
>> I'M SORRY, [OVERLAPPING] MY IPAD LOST ME..
WE WILL OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING AND WE'LL LET THE APPLICANT.
>> GOOD EVENING. MY NAME IS MARK LEON WITH CROSS ARCHITECTS.
MY ADDRESS IS 879 JUNCTION DRIVE ALLEN, TEXAS.
FIRST, I JUST WANT TO START OFF BY SAYING, THANK YOU ALL FOR SPENDING YOUR MONDAY NIGHTS WITH US.
WE REALLY APPRECIATE IT. THANKS FOR YOUR TIME.
LET'S TALK ABOUT THE ELEPHANT IN THE ROOM.
WHY ARE WE COMING BACK TO YOU WITH THE SAME UNIT COUNT ON A DIFFERENT PIECE OF LAND WHEN WE'VE ALREADY BEEN APPROVED? THE ANSWER IS UNFORTUNATELY FINANCIAL.
IF YOU HAVE GONE AND TRIED TO BUY A HOUSE RECENTLY, A CAR, REFINANCE, ANYTHING IN THE LAST TWO YEARS, I'M SURE YOU'VE NOTICED INTEREST RATES HAVE RISEN QUITE A BIT IN THE LAST TWO YEARS.
BECAUSE OF THAT, THE SITE PLAN THAT WAS PREVIOUSLY APPROVED BY THE SAME COMMISSION IS NO LONGER FINANCIALLY FEASIBLE.
WE FEEL THAT THE CITY AND THAT SURROUNDING PD WITH THE PATRIOT PARK, AS WELL AS WITH THE TSAHC LOT THAT'S IN THE NORTHEAST CORNER, THEY HAVE BROUGHT THE NECESSARY AND NEEDED AFFORDABLE HOUSING COMPONENT TO THAT AREA.
OUR GOAL IS TO BRING A LUXURY MARKET RATE PRODUCT.
WHEN OUR OWNER, PIONEER DEVELOPMENT, CAME TO OUR OFFICE, CROSS ARCHITECTS, STRUGGLING WITH TRYING TO MAKE THIS SITE BE FINANCIALLY FEASIBLE.
IN TODAY'S MARKET, THAT WAS THE TASK THAT WE WERE GIVEN.
HOW DO WE STILL GET THE SAME 129 UNITS ON THERE? HOW DO WE PARK IT APPROPRIATELY? HOW DO WE BRING A LUXURY APARTMENT PROJECT TO THE CITY? THAT'S WHAT WE'RE PRESENTING FOR YOU TODAY.
IN ORDER TO DO THAT, DO WE HAVE MY PRESENTATION, IF YOU DON'T MIND PULLING THAT UP? I BELIEVE I SHARED THAT WITH STAFF. THANK YOU, JOHN.
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WHILE JOHN IS DOING THAT, I DID WANT TO SAY THAT WE'VE BEEN WORKING WITH CITY STAFF SINCE NOVEMBER ON THIS SITE WITH JOHN KIM, [INAUDIBLE], MIKE BELL, CITY STAFF, JUST GOING THROUGH THIS PROJECT.THEY HAVE BEEN IMMENSELY HELPFUL IN GUIDING US THROUGH THIS VERY DETAILED PD.
THERE ARE A LOT OF LAYERS TO THIS THAT HAVE COMPLICATED IT.
BUT WITH THEIR GUIDANCE, WE'VE COME TO THIS POINT AND HAVE SOMETHING THAT WE'RE READY TO PRESENT, WE'RE PROUD OF, AND WE'RE HOPING THAT YOU'LL SUPPORT.
WE DID PUT TOGETHER JUST A REAL QUICK COLOR SITE PLAN.
ALL THE ZONING SITE PLANS THAT WE SUBMITTED PREVIOUSLY JUST HAD A MILLION NOTES ON THEM AND WE WANTED TO PUT SOMETHING TOGETHER THAT WAS EASILY LEGIBLE FOR US ALL TO LOOK AT.
LIKE WE'VE BEEN DESCRIBING, ORIGINALLY ON THE SITE PLAN WAS ONE LARGE PODIUM BUILDING THAT COVERED THE ENTIRE SITE.
THERE WAS NO ROADWAY CUTTING NORTH AND SOUTH THROUGH THE PROJECT AT ALL.
IT WAS A SINGLE BUILDING PODIUM STYLE, MEANING GARAGE PARKING UNDERNEATH, THREE STORIES OF RESIDENTIAL ABOVE.
WHAT WE'RE NOW PROPOSING IS TO SPLIT THE BUILDING INTO TWO ESSENTIALLY.
WE'LL HAVE A BUILDING ON THE WEST SIDE, ORIENTED NORTH AND SOUTH.
WE'LL HAVE ANOTHER BUILDING OVER ON THE EAST SIDE, AGAIN, ORIENTED NORTH AND SOUTH.
BECAUSE WE'RE NOT QUITE AS EFFICIENT SQUARE FOOTAGE-WISE, BECAUSE WE'RE NOT ONE SINGLE BUILDING, WE DID GO TO MR. WALKER, WHO OWNS THAT CURRENTLY LANDLOCKED SINGLE FAMILY LOT ON THE NORTH SIDE FACING ON THE 14TH STREET.
WE ARE CURRENTLY IN LAND AGREEMENTS WITH HIM TO PURCHASE HIS LAND IF THIS IS ALL APPROVED.
WE USED HIS LOT IN ORDER TO GET THE PARKING THAT WE NEEDED TO SUPPORT THE SAME UNIT COUNT.
JUST TO WALK THROUGH SOME OF THOSE ITEMS. LIKE I SAID, I KNOW THAT WHAT'S BEEN TALKED ABOUT HERE A LOT HAS BEEN PARKING CONCERNS AND WE ARE WELL AWARE OF THE FACT THAT WE'RE REQUIRED TO HAVE 142 PARKING STALLS, AND WE HAVE EXACTLY 142 PARKING STALLS.
IF YOU DON'T MIND, LET'S SEE, I WILL. HERE WE GO.
THERE WERE A COUPLE AREAS, ITEMS THAT WERE BROUGHT UP ABOUT PARKING THAT I WANT TO DISCUSS IN PARTICULAR.
ONE OF THE THINGS THAT MADE THE SITE A LITTLE BIT MORE DIFFICULT THAN THE FIRST ROUND WHEN THE PREVIOUS ARCHITECT WENT THROUGH, THIS IS IN 2022, WAS A FEW REVISIONS HAVE BEEN MADE OR DIFFERENT INTERPRETATIONS ARE OCCURRING.
WE HAVE BEEN REQUIRED TO INSTALL A FIRE LANE GOING THROUGH THE SITE RIGHT NOW AS YOU CAN SEE.
LET ME FLIP FORWARD REAL QUICK.
THIS IS A CITY EXHIBIT RIGHT HERE.
THIS WAS DONE THAT APPROVED ALL THE JOINT USE ACCESS AGREEMENT IN THE ENTIRE PD.
YOU CAN SEE THE STIPLED FIRE LANE AREA IS THE APPROVED FIRE LANE AS GRANTED BY THE CITY OF PLANO.
LET ME GO BACK TO OUR SITE PLAN NOW.
YOU WILL SEE THAT WE HAVE NOW BEEN REQUIRED TO PROVIDE A 26 FOOT WIDE FIRE LANE RUNNING NORTH AND SOUTH THROUGH THE SITE THAT WAS NOT REQUIRED PREVIOUSLY.
THAT'S ONE OF THE AREAS WE'RE WORKING AROUND.
ANOTHER ONE OF THE AREAS THAT I'LL POINT OUT IS IF YOU LOOK ON THIS EXHIBIT RIGHT HERE, THIS IS A BLOW UP OF 14TH STREET TO THE NORTHEAST OF OUR PROJECT.
THERE'S CURRENTLY A PROJECT UNDER CONSTRUCTION RIGHT NOW, AS WELL AS ANOTHER PROJECT THAT'S ACROSS ON THE NORTH SIDE OF 14TH STREET.
THE AREAS THAT I'VE HIGHLIGHTED IN RED IS WHERE PARKING HAS BEEN APPROVED AND ALLOWED BY THE CITY.
CURRENTLY, IT'S EITHER EXISTING RIGHT NOW OR IT'S UNDER CONSTRUCTION TO BE INSTALLED.
WE ARE NOT BEING AFFORDED THE SAME ALLOWANCES ON OUR PROJECT JUST FEET AWAY WITHIN THE SAME EXACT PD, JUST TO BE CLEAR.
THE PARKING ON THE RIGHT SIDE THAT'S ANGLED, THE SOUTH SIDE OF 14TH STREET, YOU CAN SEE IT'S ANGLED IN THERE, AND THEN AS WELL AS THE PARALLEL STALL THAT'S RIGHT THERE IN FRONT OF MR. WALKER'S SITE, THAT IS NOT BEING ALLOWED ON OUR PROJECT, WHICH WE UNDERSTAND WE'RE IN FULL COMPLIANCE WITH, WE WORKED WITH CITY STAFF TO WORK THROUGH THOSE.
IF WE WERE TO BE ALLOWED TO DO THE SAME PARKING THAT IS BEING ALLOWED WITHIN THE SAME BD IMMEDIATELY NEXT TO US UNDER CONSTRUCTION TODAY, WE COULD GO TO THIS EXHIBIT THAT I'M SHOWING HERE, WHERE WE COULD POTENTIALLY ADD ABOUT 10 MORE PARKING STALLS.
IT WOULD BE STANDARD PARKING STALLS, FULL SIZE PARKING STALLS, IN ORDER TO GROW OUR PARKING FROM THAT BARE MINIMUM 142, GROWING IT UP TO, POSSIBLY ABOUT 150-155.
IT'S THE RANGE WHERE WE'RE THINKING.
I ALSO WANT TO TALK ABOUT TWO AREAS THAT WERE ALSO BROUGHT UP.
YOU SEE THE RED CIRCLED AREA THAT SAYS, REFER TO P5 ON THE LEFT OF THE WESTERN BUILDING.
ONE OF THE CONCERNS WAS THE GARAGE STALLS AND THOSE NOT COUNTING TOWARDS PARKING BECAUSE OF CONCERNS OF THEM BEING USED AS STORAGE AND THE FACT THAT THEY'RE JUST NOT ALLOWED IN THE CITY OF PLANO TO COUNT AS PARKING.
WE'VE BEEN IN THE MULTIFAMILY BUSINESS SINCE 2003.
WE'VE BUILT PROJECTS ALL OVER THE STATE OF TEXAS FOR THOSE 20 YEARS.
I TOTALLY UNDERSTAND THAT SOME PEOPLE WILL USE THESE AS STORAGE.
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TO PREVENT THAT FROM HAPPENING, THIS IS THE SMALLEST GARAGE THAT THE PROJECT WILL SUPPORT.EVERY OTHER GARAGE IS THIS SIZE OR BIGGER.
WHAT WE'RE PROPOSING IS TO INTENTIONALLY PUT A STORAGE CLOSET IN THE GARAGE STALLS IN ORDER TO PREVENT PEOPLE FROM USING THIS AS JUST STORAGE.
WE'RE PUTTING A DOOR ON IT, MAKE SURE THE DOOR IS ACCESSIBLE FROM ONLY WITHIN THE GARAGE AND ALSO TO MAKE IT MORE APPEALING, MAKE IT USED FOR PARKING AND NOT FOR STORAGE IS WE'RE ADDING AN EV CHARGING STALL WITHIN EVERY SINGLE GARAGE STALL AS WELL.
JUST SO THAT WAY, AGAIN, IT'S AN AMENITY THAT WE'RE OFFERING FOR THE TENANTS, IT'S A RENTABLE ITEM, AND WE'RE TRYING TO ENCOURAGE PEOPLE TO USE THESE AS GARAGE PARKING AND JUST TO MAKE THE CITY BE COMFORTABLE WITH THE FACT THAT IT'S GOING TO BE USED FOR PARKING.
ONE OF THE OTHER ITEMS THAT WAS BROUGHT UP, I'LL GO BACK TO THIS EXHIBIT HERE, THE EASTERN BUILDING.
IF YOU SEE THE RED CIRCLED AREA ON THE EASTERN BUILDING, SAYS, REFER TO THE PAGE NUMBER 4. IT WAS BROUGHT UP.
THERE WERE CONCERNS ABOUT THE COLUMNS THAT WOULD SUPPORT THE PODIUM PARKING ON THE EASTERN BUILDING.
HERE IS A BLOWN UP EXHIBIT OF THAT PARKING, AS WELL AS A LETTER FROM OUR STRUCTURAL ENGINEER.
THIS IS AN ENGINEER THAT WE'VE WORKED WITH FOR ABOUT 15 YEARS NOW IN OUR OFFICE.
HE HAS BEEN BROUGHT ON BOARD PRELIMINARILY FOR THIS PROJECT.
OBVIOUSLY, WE HAVE NOT GONE THROUGH ZONING COMPLETELY, SO HE HASN'T BEEN FULLY RELEASED.
BUT WE'VE GIVEN HIM LAYOUTS FOR THE BUILDING, SPACES FOR THE BUILDING.
WE'VE ASSIGNED FOUR INCHES OF SPACE FOR THE PAINT STRIPE ITSELF.
WE HAVE SPOKEN WITH THE STRUCTURAL ENGINEER WHO'S LICENSED IN THE STATE OF TEXAS AND HE SAYS A EIGHT INCH DIAMETER POST SPACED AT 27 FEET ON CENTER.
EVERY THREE PARKING STALLS, ESSENTIALLY, YOU'LL HAVE AN EIGHT INCH DIAMETER POST.
THAT EIGHT INCH DIAMETER POST WILL SIT ON THE FOUR INCH PARKING STRIPE, WHICH MEANS IT'LL EXTEND TWO INCHES ON EITHER SIDE SO YOU HAVE AN EIGHT INCH SPACE.
WE HAVE SUFFICIENT SPACE UNDER OUR BUILDING IN ORDER TO ACCOMMODATE ALL THE PARKING THAT WE'RE SHOWING WITHOUT THOSE COLUMNS GOING INTO ANY PARKING BY ANY MEASURABLE AMOUNT.
ALL THE PARKING UNDER THE EASTERN BUILDING, IT IS STANDARD PARKING, IT WOULD NOT FALL UNDER THE COMPACT.
WE HAVE, LIKE YOU CAN SEE RIGHT HERE, A LETTER STAMPED AND SEALED FROM AN ENGINEER LICENSED IN THE STATE OF TEXAS VERIFYING THAT FOR US, AS FAR AS THE SIZE OF THE POST THAT IS TO BE VERY PARTICULAR IS WHAT HE'S APPROVING.
IN SUMMARY, AGAIN, OUR GOAL IS WE'RE STILL WANTING TO BRING THAT LUXURY HIGH END PROJECT TO THE CITY AND WE'RE TRYING TO WORK WITHIN ALL THE GUIDELINES THAT THE CITY HAS.
AS WE'VE TALKED ABOUT, THERE HAVE BEEN NOISE STUDIES THAT'S BEEN REQUIRED.
THERE WAS ORIGINALLY A NOISE STUDY ON THE PREVIOUSLY APPROVED SITE PLAN.
APPARENTLY, THAT NOISE STUDY EXPIRED, SO WE WENT AHEAD AND SPENT THAT DOLLAR AMOUNT, HIRED A THIRD-PARTY NOISE STUDY CONSULTANT.
THEY WERE OUT ON SITE, THEY MEASURED THE NOISE, AND WE ARE IN FULL COMPLIANCE WITH WHAT THEY'RE PROPOSING.
CITY STAFF ALSO SHARED WITH US THEIR TYPICAL NOISE MITIGATIONS.
WE HAVE NO PROBLEMS WITH THAT AND WE'LL COMPLY WITH ALL THE THINGS REQUIRED BY THAT AS WELL.
ADDITIONALLY, THERE IS A SINGLE FAMILY LOT THAT'S LANDLOCKED TO OUR SOUTH FACING ON, I GUESS THAT'D BE THE 14TH STREET CONNECTOR, THE OTHER SIDE OF 14TH STREET.
WE HAVE APPROACHED THAT LADY WHO OWNS THAT PROPERTY.
SHE IS VERY NOT WILLING TO SELL.
I THINK THE STATEMENT THAT SHE MADE TO OUR CLIENT WAS THAT SHE WAS GOING TO DIE IN THAT HOME.
WE ARE SUPPORTING WHAT SHE WANTS.
WE HAVE PROVIDED THE FENCE AROUND HER.
THERE'S ALSO A LANDSCAPE BUFFER THAT WE ARE GOING TO BE MORE THAN HAPPY TO PROVIDE.
ADDITIONALLY, TODAY, CURRENTLY AS WHAT HAS BEEN ALLOWED BY THE CITY, THERE IS CURRENTLY A TRANSFORMER IN HER 10 FOOT SETBACK THAT IS EXISTING THAT HAS BEEN ALLOWED AND WE ARE MORE THAN HAPPY TO RELOCATE THAT TO GET THAT OUT OF HER 10 FOOT BUFFER, AS WELL AS PROVIDE THE LANDSCAPING THAT'S REQUIRED.
THEN TO JUST TALK A LITTLE BIT BIG PICTURE ABOUT THE PROJECT.
THESE ARE JUST ONE AND TWO BEDROOM UNITS.
LIKE WE TALKED ABOUT BRIEFLY A MOMENT BEFORE, WHEN WE WERE TALKING ABOUT THE PARKING REQUIREMENT AND WHAT WAS REQUIRED, WE ARE PROPOSING 103 ONE-BEDROOM UNITS AND THEN 26 TWO-BEDROOM UNITS.
WE ARE DOING THAT 80-20% RATIO.
20% WOULD BE TWOS, 80% WOULD BE ONES.
YOU CAN SEE UP IN THE TOP LEFT CORNER, THAT WESTERN BUILDING, THE PINK AREA AT THE TOP.
THAT'S OUR CLUBHOUSE AMENITY AREA, WHERE LEASING WILL OCCUR.
WE'RE GOING TO HAVE A HIGH END FINISHED FITNESS CENTER IN THERE.
THEN THAT BLUE AREA THAT'S JUST SOUTH OF IT IN THE MIDDLE, WE ARE NOTCHING INTO THE BUILDING AND CREATING A LUXURY RESORT STYLE POOL.
AS JOHN KIM MENTIONED EARLIER, BECAUSE OF THE NOISE STUDY, WE'RE ALSO PROVIDING THAT SOLID MASONRY WALL WITH THE LIVING GREEN SCREEN RUNNING THE ENTIRE WESTERN LENGTH OF OUR PROPERTY,
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SCREENING US FROM THE EXISTING COMMERCIAL TO OUR WEST.I THINK THAT SUMMARIZES SOME OF THE PARKING ISSUES WE'VE BEEN STRUGGLING WITH THAT WE'VE BEEN WORKING THROUGH, PRESENTING OUR PROJECT.
IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS FOR ME, PLEASE LET ME KNOW.
I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY PARTICULARS, BIG OR SMALL.
>> THEN I DON'T SEE THAT WE'VE GOT ANY OTHER SPEAKERS ON THIS ITEM, RIGHT?
>> WELL, THEN WE'LL TAKE OUR TURNS, I GUESS.
BUT ARE YOU DISPUTING THE NUMBER OF COMPACT SPACES THEN? WHEN YOU WALK THROUGH THE GARAGE OR UNDERNEATH PARKING WITH THE EIGHT-INCH POSTS, IT SOUNDED LIKE YOU WERE SAYING THOSE WERE STANDARD, NOT COMPACT.
IS THERE A DISPUTE BETWEEN YOU AND STAFF ON WHAT'S COMPACT AND WHAT STANDARD?
>> YES, THERE WAS A SMALL DISPUTE.
WE CLAIMED THAT THEY WERE GOING TO BE STANDARD, AND THEN STAFF HAD CONCERNS BECAUSE OF THE POSTS THAT WOULD BE NEEDED TO SUPPORT THE BUILDING THAT THOSE POSTS WOULD INTERFERE WITH THE STANDARD PARKING STALL AND REVERT IT TO A COMPACT BECAUSE OF THE POST.
HENCE, MY OVER-DETAILED EXHIBIT SHOWING THAT WE WOULD HAVE THE FOUR-INCH PAINT STRIPE, THE EIGHT-INCH POST, AND THAT THAT WOULD NOT INTERFERE WITH THE REQUIRED CLEARANCE FOR THE PARKING STALL.
>> THOSE WOULD BE YOUR STANDARD NINE-FOOT-WIDE PARKING STALLS. FULL SIZE.
>> BUT IN THE COUNT, THEY'RE BEING COUNTED AS COMPACT.
>> WE ARE COUNTING THEM AS STANDARD.
>> BUT IS STAFF COUNTING THEM AS STANDARD OR COMPACT?
>> I THINK IT WAS STANDARD, CORRECT, JUDGE.
>> THAT IS CORRECT. STUFF WAS CONCERNED [OVERLAPPING].
>> THE RATIO IS STILL THOUGH 63% COMPACT.
>> NO, WE'RE AT 49% MAX COMPACT CURRENTLY.
>> IF YOU COUNT THE GARAGE AND THE TANDEM, THEY'RE AT 49.
>> IF YOU DO NOT UNDERSTAND STANDARD THE REGULATIONS, THEY ARE AT 63.
>> WE'RE AT 142 PARKING STALLS, AND IF YOU COUNT THE 23 GARAGES AND THE 10 TANDEMS, THAT'S 33 TOTAL.
IF YOU COUNT THOSE INTO THE 142, WE ARE AT 49% COMPACT.
IF YOU DON'T COUNT THOSE AS PARKING STALLS, THOSE 33, THEN YES, OBVIOUSLY, THE RATIO WOULD INCREASE, AND THE 49% WOULD GO UP AND WE WOULD BASICALLY SAY THOSE 33 PARKING STALLS ARE JUST SPACE.
>> YOU MENTIONED ALSO THAT, LET'S SAY, THE VARYING TREATMENT THAT THE OTHER DEVELOPMENT IS RECEIVING WITH THAT PARKING THAT'S BEING PROVIDED BY THE CITY, I GUESS, OR I'M NOT SURE.
THE RED BLOCKS THAT YOU POINTED OUT RIGHT THERE.
>> ARE THOSE PROVIDED BY THE CITY OR BY THE OTHER DEVELOPER, OR WHERE ARE THOSE COMING FROM?
>> I AM UNDER THE IMPRESSION, AND PLEASE CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, BUT I BELIEVE THAT'S PART OF THAT DEVELOPMENT THAT'S BEING BUILT.
IT WAS APPROVED ON THEIR SITE PLAN.
>> SOME OF THOSE ALONG THE NORTH HAVE BEEN THERE FOR A LONG TIME, THOSE PERPENDICULAR SPACES.
THOSE ARE WITH EXISTING MULTIFAMILY FROM THE '80S, PROBABLY.
THE REST HAVE BEEN BUILT BY THOSE DEVELOPMENTS AS PUBLIC PARKING.
THE REASON THOSE ARE ALLOWED WHERE THEY ARE, THEY MEET THE VISIBILITY REQUIREMENTS.
ON THIS SIDE, WHERE YOU SEE THEM HERE, THE ROAD IS STRAIGHT, BUT ON THE SUBJECT PROPERTY, THE ROAD CURVES, AND SO THEY DON'T MEET THE VISIBILITY REQUIREMENTS TO HAVE STREET PARKING WEST OF THE DRIVEWAY.
>> YOU'LL SEE RIGHT THERE THAT VERY FIRST PARALLEL STALL ON THE BOTTOM LEFT-HAND CORNER THAT'S RIGHT THERE ON F AVENUE.
IF YOU WERE TO MIRROR THAT STALL ON THE OTHER SIDE OF F AVENUE, WE ATTEMPTED TO PUT A PARKING STALL THERE AND WE WERE TOLD IT'S NOT IN COMPLIANCE.
HOWEVER, THERE IS ONE THAT'S BEING ALLOWED ON THE PROPERTY IMMEDIATELY NEXT TO US WITH THE SAME VISIBILITY ON THE SAME F AVENUE ON A STRAIGHT ROAD.
>> THE SAME THING WITH THAT ANGLED PARKING.
I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S CITY PUBLIC PARKING OR NOT.
I JUST KNOW IT'S UNDER CONSTRUCTION ON 14TH STREET, LITERALLY 50-FEET DOWN THE ROAD FROM OUR PROJECT WITHIN THE SAME PD.
WE ARE NOT DOING PARKING LIKE THAT, WHEREAS IF WE'D HAVE BEEN ALLOWED TO, WE COULD HAVE INCREASED OUR PARKING ABOVE THE 142.
>> I THINK THE ISSUE IS THE TRAFFIC MOVING EASTBOUND.
THOSE SPACES ARE ADJACENT TO THE STOP SIGN VERSUS MOVING FURTHER EAST OF THE INTERSECTION, THOSE ARE NOT IN CONFLICT WITH THE INTERSECTION.
>> OKAY. OTHER QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT? MR. RATLIFF.
>> GOING BACK TO MY QUESTION THAT I ASKED STAFF, THE 29 SPACES THAT ARE UNDERNEATH, THE STANDARD SPACES, IS THAT YOUR INTENT THOSE WOULD BE ASSIGNED TO THOSE UNITS, THAT THOSE WOULD BE RESERVED SPACES FOR THOSE UNITS?
>> THE ONLY PARKING STALLS THAT WILL BE RESERVED WOULD BE THE GARAGES AND THE TANDEMS, OF COURSE.
THOSE TANDEMS WOULD BE LINKED TO, AND I APOLOGIZE FOR NOT SPEAKING TO THAT EARLIER.
THERE ARE 10 TANDEM STALLS, THERE ARE 26 TWO-BEDROOMS ON SITE.
WE WOULD LEASE THE GARAGES TO TWO-BEDROOM UNITS AND THAT TANDEM STALL WOULD COME ALONG WITH IT WOULD BE THE INTENTION.
THEN THE PARKING THAT YOU'RE SPEAKING ABOUT UNDER THAT EASTERN BUILDING WOULD BE FIRST COME FIRST SERVE.
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>> YOU HEARD MY COMMENT ABOUT COMPACT PARKING, ESPECIALLY SEVEN-AND-A-HALF-FOOT SPACES.
YOU'RE A DESIGNER, I DON'T KNOW WHAT KIND OF CAR YOU DRIVE, BUT HOW DO YOU ADDRESS MY CONCERN ABOUT HAVING THE OVERWHELMING MAJORITY OF WHAT I WOULD CONSIDER VISITOR SPACES BE COMPACT?
>> I WOULD SAY WE'RE IN CONFORMANCE WITH WHAT THE PD IS ALLOWING, WHICH SAYS 50%, SO WE ARE IN COMPLIANCE WITH WHAT THE CITY HAS ALLOWED FOR THAT 50% WITHIN THE PD 123, AS IT'S OUTLINED.
I AGREE THAT IT'S NOT THE BEST DESIGN IN THE STATE OF TEXAS.
WE ALL KNOW PROBABLY HALF THE CARS IN THE PARKING LOT OUT HERE ARE BIG OLD F-150S THAT HAVE TOW HITCHES ON THE BACK OF THEM.
IF SOME OF THE VARIANCES THAT I'M SUGGESTING IN THIS EXHIBIT THAT'S IN RED ARE ALLOWED, WE'D BE MORE THAN HAPPY TO ADD ADDITIONAL PARKING IN ORDER TO REMEDY THE PROBLEM THAT WE KNOW EXISTS, BUT WE ARE IN CONFORMANCE WITH WHAT THE CITY HAS ALLOWED WITH THAT 49%.
>> THEN ON YOUR GARAGE SPACES, I THINK ONE OF THE STAFF'S CONCERNS IS IT'S IMPOSSIBLE FOR THE CODE ENFORCEMENT TO POLICE THE USE OF GARAGES? THEY'RE GOING TO BE CLOSED. NO WAY TO KNOW WHETHER PEOPLE ARE USING THEM FOR PARKING OR STORAGE.
NO WAY FOR YOU TO KNOW, FRANKLY, OR NO WAY FOR THE LANDLORD TO KNOW IF THEY'RE BEING USED FOR PARKING OR STORAGE, PROBABLY.
HOW DOES THE LANDLORD INTEND TO POLICE THAT SO IT DOESN'T CREATE A PARKING PROBLEM?
>> I'D IMAGINE THAT CAN BE SOLVED SIMPLY BY PUTTING LANGUAGE INTO THE LEASE, WHAT IS AND ISN'T ALLOWED IN THE USE OF THOSE GARAGES.
I KNOW WHEN I WAS A YOUNGER MAN AND LIVING IN APARTMENTS, BEFORE I HAD KIDS AND A WIFE, I'VE SIGNED MANY LEASES AND HAD MANY GARAGES, AND I KNOW A LOT OF THE APARTMENTS I LIVED IN DIDN'T ALLOW MINI-FRIDGES OR YOU COULDN'T PUT GRILLS IN THERE, OR YOU COULDN'T DO THINGS LIKE THAT.
I'M SURE WE COULD EASILY PUT LANGUAGE INTO THE LEASE AGREEMENT THAT STIPULATED WHAT COULD AND COULDN'T OCCUR IN THOSE GARAGES, IF THAT WAS A CONCERN, AND I COULD SPEAK TO MY CLIENT TO VERIFY THAT'S ACCURATE, BUT I DON'T SEE WHY THAT WOULD BE AN ISSUE BECAUSE WE DON'T WANT STORAGE OCCURRING IN THERE.
>> YEAH. MY QUESTION IS, THE CITY STAFF MENTIONS THE LANDSCAPING, ALTHOUGH THE FENCE IS INSTALLED, ON THE SITE, NO ADDITIONAL LANDSCAPING IS PROVIDED, AND IT SOUNDS LIKE THERE'S GOING TO BE ADDITIONAL LANDSCAPING REQUIREMENTS.
IT SAYS THE APPLICANT HAS DESIGNATED WHERE THE UTILITY BOX WILL BE, THEY'RE TALKING ABOUT THE RELOCATION OF THE UTILITY BOXES.
IS THAT GOING TO BE SOMETHING THAT'S GOING TO BE REQUIRED TO COME BACK LATER TO US?
>> THAT WOULD BE REQUIRED ON THE SITE PLAN, WHICH IS THE NEXT STAGE, AND IT WOULD BE STAFF-LEVEL APPROVAL.
>> OKAY. THAT'S THE ONLY QUESTION I HAD.
>> THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR YOUR TIME.
>> I'M GOING TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING. MR. BRONOV.
>> I DID HAVE A QUESTION FOR STAFF.
IS THE SEVEN-AND-A-HALF-FOOT WIDTH FOR A COMPACT PARKING SPACE A PROVISION JUST OF THE PD, OR IS IT A PROVISION OF CITY ORDINANCE?
>> CITY ORDINANCE ONLY WITHIN THE BG DISTRICT.
>> ONLY WITHIN THE BG DISTRICT.
>> IT'S EIGHT AND A HALF FEET ELSEWHERE IN THE CITY.
>> I GET THAT THE NUMBER OF UNITS IS NOT BEING INCREASED, AND I GET THAT ADDING 2/10 OF AN ACRE TO THE PD WILL MARGINALLY REDUCE THE DENSITY.
I THINK ALSO THAT'S A MINOR CONSIDERATION.
I AM COMFORTABLE WITH THE MEDIATION WITH RESPECT TO THE EHA DISTRICT.
THE INTERIOR OF THE BUILDINGS ARE TO BE MITIGATED DOWN TO 45 DECIBELS.
I THINK THAT'S WHAT'S REQUIRED AND THAT'S ADEQUATE.
WITH RESPECT TO EXTERIOR NOISE LEVELS, OUR ORDINANCE ESTABLISHES AN EHA 1 DISTRICT WHERE EXTERIOR NOISE LEVELS ARE 65-74 DECIBELS, LESS THAN 75.
BUT IT PROVIDES THAT SENSITIVE USES CAN BE ESTABLISHED WITH SUFFICIENT MITIGATION.
LOOKING AT THEIR SITE PLAN, THE ONLY USABLE OPEN SPACE USABLE FOR ACTIVITIES IN THE EHA 1 AREA IS THE POOL AREA WHICH IS TO BE MITIGATED BY A WALL THAT ACCORDING TO THEIR NOISE STUDY, WILL REDUCE THE NOISE LEVEL BELOW 65 DECIBELS, SO THAT'S MITIGATED.
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EVERYTHING ELSE ON THE WEST SIDE IS JUST PARKING SPACES, AND AS FAR AS I'M CONCERNED, THAT'S NOT A USABLE EXTERIOR SPACE.ALSO, BALCONIES ARE TO BE ELIMINATED ON THE WESTERN SIDE OF THE WESTERN BUILDING FACING THE HIGHWAY, SO I'M SATISFIED AS FAR AS THE NOISE IS CONCERNED.
AS YOU ALL KNOW, I'VE SERVED ON PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSIONS IN TWO CITIES, AND I'VE SEEN ANY NUMBER OF PLANS COME FORWARD WITH A CERTAIN NUMBER OF SPACES DESIGNATED FOR COMPACT PARKING.
I REMEMBER THE DIRECTOR OF PUBLIC WORKS IN IRVING TELLING US ON ONE OF THOSE CASES THAT, IT'S NOT JUST COMPACT CARS THAT ARE PARKING IN THERE, PEOPLE WITH BIG CARS PARK IN THOSE COMPACT SPACES, INCLUDING MY BUICK, AND THAT WAS BACK WHEN BUICKS BUILT BIG CARS.
IN THAT CASE, WE WERE DEALING WITH EIGHT-FOOT-WIDE COMPACT SPACES.
NOW, WE'RE DEALING WITH, HERE, SEVEN-AND-A-HALF-FEET-WIDE, AND I FORESEE PEOPLE EVEN IN A COMPACT CAR HAVING DIFFICULTY JUST GETTING IN AND OUT OF THEIR CARS IF THERE'S A CAR PARKED NEXT TO THEM IN A SEVEN-AND-A-HALF-FOOT WIDE SPACE.
OR AT THE VERY LEAST, THEY'RE GOING TO BE BUMPING THEIR CAR DOOR AGAINST THE SIDE OF THE ADJACENT CAR.
IF ANY CAR DOES NOT PARK DIRECTLY IN THE DEAD CENTER OF THAT COMPACT PARKING SPACE, AND EDGES OVER TO ONE SIDE OR THE OTHER OR EVEN ENCROACHES ACROSS THE LINE, IT COULD WELL RENDER THE ADJACENT SPACE UNUSABLE, EVEN BY COMPACT CARS.
I HAVE VISIONS OF PEOPLE GOING THROUGH ALL KINDS OF BODILY CONTORTIONS JUST GETTING INTO AND OUT OF THEIR CARS, PEOPLE OF MORE THAN SLENDER PHYSIQUE ESPECIALLY.
THE IMPRESSION THAT I HAVE FORMED OVER THE YEARS IS THAT A LARGE NUMBER OF SO-CALLED COMPACT PARKING SPACES IS AN INDICATION OF TRYING TO BUILD TOO MUCH BUILDING ON A LOT THAT'S TOO SMALL, OR TO PUT IT FIGURATIVELY, TRYING TO STUFF A 10-POUND SAUSAGE INTO A FIVE-POUND CASING, AND THAT'S WHAT I THINK WE HAVE HERE BECAUSE OF THE LARGE NUMBER OF COMPACT SPACES.
I THINK SEVEN AND A HALF, IT MAY BE IN THE ORDINANCE, BUT I THINK IT'S PRACTICALLY UNWORKABLE. WHAT CAN THEY DO? THEY COULD EITHER MAKE THEIR BUILDING SMALLER AND CREATE MORE SPACE FOR PARKING SPACES, THEY COULD HAVE A GREATER PERCENTAGE OF ONE-BEDROOM APARTMENTS REQUIRING FEWER SPACES AS OPPOSED TO TWO-BEDROOM UNITS.
I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THEM EXPLORE THEIR OPTIONS TO TRY TO REDUCE THE NUMBER OF SO-CALLED COMPACT PARKING SPACES.
I DON'T SEE SOMEONE DRIVING A COMPACT CAR LOOKING FOR A COMPACT PARKING SPACE TO PUT IT IN.
IF I'M DRIVING A COMPACT CAR AND I SEE A SEVEN-AND-A-HALF-FOOT SPACE AND I SEE A NINE-FOOT SPACE, I'M HEADING FOR THAT NINE-FOOT SPACE.
NOW, IF THE APPLICANT THINKS HE CAN ADDRESS THESE ISSUES AND WOULD LIKE SOME TIME TO DO IT, I COULD SUPPORT A POSTPONEMENT FOR THAT PURPOSE.
BUT I DON'T THINK I CAN SUPPORT THIS CASE IN ITS PRESENT FORM.
>> THANK YOU. COMMISSIONER TONG.
>> I HAVE A QUESTION FOR THE STAFF REGARDING THAT SOLUTION OF HAVING ACTUAL SPACE ON 14TH STREET.
I UNDERSTAND THAT WE HAVE REQUIREMENTS ON WHERE THEY CAN HAVE THAT ON-STREET PARKING OR WHERE THEY CANNOT.
IS THERE ANY CHANCE OR ANY POSSIBILITY THAT WE CAN WORK WITH THE APPLICANTS TO JUST ALLOW MAYBE A FEW MORE PARKING SPACES THERE BECAUSE I CAN SEE WHERE THE APPLICANTS ARE COMING FROM? I TOTALLY UNDERSTAND WHERE COMMISSIONER BRONOV AND COMMISSIONER RATLIFF CAME FROM REGARDING THE SIZE OF THE COMPACT SPACE.
HOWEVER, I ALSO UNDERSTAND THAT'S OUR ORDINANCE, WE CAN'T BLAME THE APPLICANTS TO FOLLOW OUR ORDINANCE TO DO THAT.
I'M THINKING, IF WE WANT TO COME WITH A SOLUTION FOR THE APPLICANTS, MAYBE WE CAN CONSIDER SOMEHOW WORK WITH THE ON-STREET PARKING, IF THERE'S ANY POSSIBILITY.
>> I THINK THE CONCERN WITH THE ON-STREET PARKING IS IT DOESN'T MEET OUR ENGINEERING STANDARDS, AND THE POWER TO APPROVE VARIATIONS TO THAT IS WITH THE DIRECTOR OF ENGINEERING.
IF WE WERE GOING TO DO THAT, WE WOULD NEED TO BRING THE DIRECTOR OF ENGINEERING TO SEE WHAT MIGHT BE A FEASIBLE ALTERNATIVE.
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I WASN'T PREPARED TO RESPOND TO THAT TONIGHT.>> WELL, I'M GOING TO PUT FORTH A SUGGESTION THAT WE CONSIDER TABLING THIS.
I DON'T KNOW WHAT THEIR TIMELINE IS, AND IF THEY'RE UP AGAINST SOMETHING, AND THIS IS GOING TO RUN OUT NEXT MONTH OR SOMETHING, BUT I DON'T REALLY HAVE ANY ISSUES OF THE PROJECT OTHER THAN I AGREE, AND TO THE EXTENT THAT YES, WE DESIGNED COMPACT SPACES TO BE SEVEN-AND-A-HALF-FOOT.
THAT'S GREAT. IF YOU CAN RESTRICT COMPACT CAR OWNERS TO ONLY THOSE SPACES, WHICH YOU'RE NOT GOING TO BE ABLE TO DO.
THEY'RE GOING TO PARK WHEREVER THEY SEE AN OPENING.
THERE'S NO WIGGLE ROOM. WE HAVE APPROVED TANDEM SPACES AT CHASE OAKS, BUT THEY HAD EXCESS PARKING, AND SO THERE WASN'T GOING TO BE AN ISSUE.
BUT IN THIS CASE, YOU ALMOST ARE REQUIRING THOSE TANDEM SPACES TO MEET THE REQUIREMENTS, AND I FEEL LIKE WITH A LITTLE MORE WORK, WE CAN PROBABLY GET THIS DONE. COMMISSIONER KERRY.
>> I'M REALLY CONFLICTED ON THIS WHOLE THING.
I THINK ALL THE COMMENTS HAVE BEEN GOOD, INCLUDING THE FACT THAT WE HAVE AN ORDINANCE.
BUT REGARDLESS OF WHERE WE THINK EVERYBODY'S GOING TO PARK, WE HAVE AN ORDINANCE.
GOSH, I HAVE CONCERNS THAT PLANO CONTINUES TO TURN INTO A RENTAL TOWN AS WE INCREASE THAT VERSUS SINGLE-FAMILY HOMES.
WITH THAT SAID, I THINK IF THERE'S A PLACE FOR APARTMENTS, I BELIEVE OUR DOWNTOWN CAN BENEFIT FROM MORE DENSITY.
I'M NOT EXACTLY SURE WHERE I STAND, BUT I THINK SOME OF THE SUGGESTIONS THAT HAVE BEEN MADE, IS THERE A WAY FOR US TO FIND A WORKAROUND TO MAYBE MAKE THIS PALATABLE FOR OUR CITY SEEMS TO BE THE RIGHT IDEA TO ME DEPENDING ON THEIR TIMELINES.
I LIKE THE FACT THAT THEY'RE GOING TO BRING US SOME MORE DENSITY TO OUR DOWNTOWN, AND I THINK THAT'S A GOOD THING.
>> MR. RATLIFF. SORRY, SHOULD I GO LADIES FIRST? YES. GO AHEAD.
>> WELL, MY QUESTION TO STAFF, IS THERE A PROVISION FOR REMOTE PARKING?
>> THERE ARE. THEY CAN FIND OFFSITE PARKING TO SECURE IT THROUGH AN EASEMENT, WHICH IS TYPICALLY THE CHALLENGE.
A LOT OF PEOPLE AREN'T WILLING TO GIVE UP THAT.
THAT PARKING IS SO VALUABLE DOWNTOWN, BUT IT'S POSSIBLE.
>> IF THERE'S A PUBLIC PARKING OR SOMETHING THAT THEY CAN USE.
ONE IS TO GET CREDIT FOR AVAILABLE PUBLIC PARKING.
I DON'T THINK THERE'S ANY AVAILABLE IN THE IMMEDIATE LOCATION HERE.
THE SECOND IS TO PROVIDE TO ACQUIRE AN EASEMENT ON SOMEONE ELSE'S PROPERTY FOR THEIR EXCESS PARKING SPACES IF THEY COULD SECURE IT.
THERE'S A DISTANCE REQUIREMENT, I BELIEVE, IT'S 300 FEET.
IT HAS TO BE WITHIN 300 FEET OF THE PROPERTY.
IS THAT CORRECT, DONNA? YES, 300 FEET.
YOU SAW SHE WAS GOING TO TAKE A DRILL.
>> YEAH, THAT'S AN OPTION ALSO THEY CAN EXPLORE.
>> AGAIN, I THINK THERE'S OTHER OPTIONS AND WE CAN GET THERE.
I THINK WE NEED TO GIVE THEM AN OPPORTUNITY TO WORK THROUGH THAT.
>> I LIKE THE IDEA. I AGREE WITH ALL COMMISSIONERS.
WE NEED MORE DENSITY IN DOWNTOWN AND I THINK IT'S [INAUDIBLE] ESPECIALLY THE LOCATION OF THOSE NEXT TO A LOT OF AMENITIES.
CONCEPTUALLY, I HAVE NO PROBLEM WITH THE PROJECT.
I HAVE NO PROBLEM WITH THE REZONING AND ADDING THAT CHART PARCEL TO THE PD.
I HAVE NO PROBLEM WITH THE ADDITIONAL UNITS.
OBVIOUSLY, WE'VE APPROVED THOSE BEFORE.
MY ONLY ISSUE IS THE PARKING, AND I THINK WE'VE GOT TO MAKE SURE THAT IT WORKS.
THE CHALLENGE IN THAT PARTICULAR PART OF TOWN IS THERE'S NOT ANY REALLY OVERFLOW OF OPPORTUNITY.
IF YOU HAVEN'T BEEN THERE ON A FRIDAY NIGHT, FISH N' TAILS IS OVERFLOWING AND PARKING EVERYWHERE, AND THERE'S NO EXTRA SPACE. THERE'S JUST NOT.
THE ONLY OTHER PLACE THAT WOULD OVERFLOW WOULD BE OVER INTO PATRIOT PARK, AND ON A WEEKEND, THAT LOT'S FULL, WHICH TELLS ME THEY'D BE PARKING OVER AT THE BANK.
I'M WILLING TO BET FROST WOULDN'T BE REAL CRAZY ABOUT THAT.
THAT'S MY BIGGEST CONCERN IS FIGURING OUT HOW TO MAKE THE PARKING WORK.
NO OFFENSE, BUT I'M NOT CONVINCED THAT THE TENANTS WON'T USE THE GARAGES FOR STORAGE.
I'VE SEEN IT AND YOU'VE SEEN IT.
YOU KNOW IT'LL HAPPEN IN HALF THE UNITS OR MORE, OR AT LEAST THERE WILL BE ENOUGH STUFF IN THE GARAGES THAT THEY WON'T BE ABLE TO USE THEM FOR PARKING.
IT MAY NOT BE COMPLETELY FULL, BUT THERE WILL BE ENOUGH IN IT THAT THE CAR DOESN'T FIT.
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I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH TANDEM PARKING IF THEY'RE ASSIGNED TO THE SAME UNIT, BUT I DO HAVE A PROBLEM WITH TANDEM PARKING IN GARAGES.I THINK THERE'S GOT TO BE A PLACE TO WORK THIS OUT.
BUT I GUESS MY QUESTION WOULD BE TO STAFF IS IF WE GIVE THEM ANOTHER COUPLE OF WEEKS OR ANOTHER MONTH, DO WE THINK WE CAN FIND A SOLUTION? DO YOU THINK THAT Y'ALL CAN WORK WITH THE APPLICANT AND FIND AN ANSWER? MAYBE THAT'S A QUESTION FOR THE APPLICANT, BUT I KNOW WE CLOSED THE PUBLIC HEARING.
I HATE TO DENY IT BECAUSE THEN WE'RE BACK TO WHAT'S ALREADY BEEN APPROVED, WHICH THEY SAY ISN'T FEASIBLE.
I'D LIKE TO GIVE THEM THE OPPORTUNITY TO WORK ON IT A LITTLE BIT MORE IF THERE'S TIME.
I THINK WHAT SPECIFICALLY IS THE DIRECTION ON THE PARKING? IS IT NOT PROVIDING GARAGE? IS IT NOT PROVIDING TANDEM? IS IT A CERTAIN PERCENTAGE OF ON STREET THAT YOU'RE TRYING TO GET TO THAT YOU'D FEEL COMFORTABLE? THAT'S THE KIND OF INFORMATION WE WOULD NEED TO KNOW.
IF THE APPLICANT IS WILLING, STAFF IS ALWAYS WILLING TO WORK WITH APPLICANTS TO GET THEIR PROJECTS OVER THE FINISH LINE.
WE'RE CERTAINLY WILLING TO DO THAT HERE IF THERE'S WILLINGNESS ON THEIR PART.
>> I'LL SPEAK FOR MYSELF. I DON'T KNOW ABOUT THE REST OF THE COMMISSION.
I'M NOT COMFORTABLE COUNTING ENCLOSED GARAGE SPACES, AND I DON'T THINK THE STAFF IS EITHER, BUT I AM COMFORTABLE COUNTING TANDEM SPACES IF THEY'RE BOTH ASSIGNED TO THE SAME UNIT AND NEITHER ONE OF THEM IS ENCLOSED. THAT'S MY PERSONAL OPINION.
>> HE'S TAKEN NOTES, BUT WE DID.
[NOISE] ASSUMING YOU'RE STILL WILLING TO CONTINUE WORKING WITH STAFF TO RESOLVE THE PARKING.
>> ABSOLUTELY. WE'RE NOT RESTRICT.
OBVIOUSLY, THE SOONER, THE BETTER.
CONSTRUCTION ALWAYS WORKS ON A TIGHT TIMELINE, BUT MY CLIENT OWNS THE PROPERTY.
>> HE'S OWNED IT FOR QUITE A WHILE NOW.
IT'S BEEN AN UNDEVELOPED PIECE OF LAND FOR LONGER THAN WE'VE ALL BEEN AROUND.
WE'RE MORE THAN HAPPY TO COME BACK WITH A MORE SHARPENED PENCIL.
TRY TO SOLVE THIS PARKING ISSUE.
I'M HEARING THAT WE'RE KIND OF HAPPY WITH THE PRODUCT, BUT THE PARKING IS A CONCERN, AND I'M IN 100% AGREEMENT WITH YOU.
I HAVE SOME POTENTIAL SOLUTIONS.
WE COULD TALK ABOUT THEM HERE.
IF THIS IS IN THE APPROPRIATE FORUM, I CAN SPEAK WITH CITY STAFF.
>> I WOULD WORK THROUGH STAFF.
>> ABSOLUTELY. YES. SHORT ANSWER TO YOUR QUESTION. YES, ABSOLUTELY.
>> I MIGHT ASK HIM HOW MUCH TIME WOULD HE LIKE TO HAVE.
>> WELL, HE WOULD LIKE IT TO BE TONIGHT.
>> POSTPONEMENT FOR WHAT? TWO WEEKS, FOUR WEEKS? WHAT?
>> WHEN IS YOUR NEXT P&Z MEETING? WE'LL BE READY.
>> THERE YOU GO. WE'LL BE READY.
>> BUT STAFF HAS TO HAVE TIME.
HONESTLY, I THINK SEPTEMBER IS AN ACCURATE TIMELINE.
>> SEPTEMBER 3RD IS WHAT I'M HEARING, 9/3/24.
NO WAY WE CAN DO ANYTHING IN AUGUST.
>> IT'S THE DAY AFTER LABOR DAY.
PARDON? EVERYONE'S CHECKING CALENDAR, BUT YEAH. THANK YOU.
>> I'M NOT REALLY CONVINCED THAT THIS CAN BE DONE, BUT I'M WILLING TO GIVE HIM A SHOT.
I MOVE WE TABLE AGENDA ITEM 5A TO OUR SEPTEMBER 3, 2024, PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION MEETING.
>> I HAVE A MOTION BY COMMISSIONER BRONSKY WITH A SECOND BY COMMISSIONER ALALI. IS THAT RIGHT, ALALI? DID I GET THAT RIGHT? TO TABLE ITEM 5A UNTIL SEPTEMBER 3, 2024, PLEASE VOTE.
>> SORRY. I MOVE WE TABLE ITEM 5B TO THE SEPTEMBER 3, 2024, PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION MEETING AS WE DID WITH 5A.
>> I HAVE A MOTION BY COMMISSIONER BRONSKY, SECONDED BY COMMISSIONER ALALI TO TABLE ITEM 5B TO SEPTEMBER 3, 2024, PLEASE VOTE.
THAT ITEM ALSO CARRIES 7-0. THANK YOU.
I HAVE EVERY CONFIDENCE YOU GUYS WILL WORK IT OUT.
IT'S A GOOD PROJECT. YOU JUST GOT TO FIND A LITTLE MORE WIGGLE ROOM.
[6. (DS) Revised Site Plan: Crosspoint Plaza, Block A, Lot 3 – Restaurant on one lot on 0.7 acre located on the north side of Spring Creek Parkway, 490 feet east of Custer Road. Zoned Retail with Specific Use Permit No. 630 for Private Club. Applicant: Manuel R. & Maria Del Carmen Sanchez. Project #RSP2024-023. (Legislative consideration of parking reduction)]
>> NON-PUBLIC HEARING ITEMS. THE PRECEDING OFFICER WILL PERMIT LIMITED PUBLIC COMMENT FOR ITEMS ON THE AGENDA NOT POSTED FOR PUBLIC HEARING.
THE PRECEDING OFFICER MAY ESTABLISH TIME LIMITS BASED UPON THE NUMBER OF SPEAKER REQUESTS, LENGTH OF AGENDA.
TO ENSURE MEETING EFFICIENCY, IT MAY INCLUDE A TOTAL TIME LIMIT.
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REVISED SITE PLAN.CROSSPOINT PLAZA, BLOCK A, LOT 3 RESTAURANT ON ONE LOT ON 0.7 ACRE LOCATED ON THE NORTH SIDE OF SPRING CREEK PARKWAY, 490 FEET EAST OF CUSTER ROAD, ZONED RETAIL WITH SPECIFIC USE PERMIT NUMBER 630 FOR PRIVATE CLUB.
APPLICANT IS MANUEL R AND MARIA DEL CARMEN SANCHEZ.
THIS IS FOR LEGISLATIVE CONSIDERATION OF PARKING REDUCTION.
>> THE PURPOSE FOR THE REVISED SITE PLAN IS TO PROPOSE A 294-SQUARE-FOOT ADDITION TO THE EXISTING RESTAURANT ALONG WITH A NEW DUMPSTER AND PARKING.
THE APPLICANT IS ALSO REQUESTING A 20% PARKING REDUCTION FROM THE COMMISSION.
FORTY-SIX PARKING SPACES ARE REQUIRED BASED ON THE BUILDING AND PATIO SQUARE FOOTAGE OF THE RESTAURANT.
THE APPLICANT HAS ADDED 12 SPACES THROUGH RESTRIPING AND REMOVAL OF A DRIVE-THROUGH LANE, BUT A 20% REDUCTION IS STILL NEEDING PER THE LETTER IN THE PACKET FROM THE APPLICANT.
THE COMMISSION IS ABLE TO GRANT A 20% REDUCTION UNDER THE FOLLOWING CONDITIONS.
ONE, THE REDUCTION IS NOT ANTICIPATED TO CREATE PARKING ISSUES.
TWO, THE REDUCTION IS NOT ANTICIPATED TO RESULT IN PARKING SPILLOVER INTO ANY ADJACENT NEIGHBORHOODS.
THREE, AVAILABLE PARKING HAS NOT BEEN IMPACTED BY VEHICLE STORAGE OR OTHER SITE MODIFICATIONS.
FOUR, THE SITE IS NOT UNDER CONDOMINIUM OWNERSHIP UNLESS ALL OWNER PARTICIPATION IS VERIFIED AND THE SITE PLAN DOES COMPLY WITH THESE CONDITIONS.
I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.
>> THANK YOU. QUESTIONS FOR STAFF. YEAH, COMMISSIONER TONG.
>> DO YOU KNOW THE CAPACITY OF THE BUILDING?
>> WE CAN GET THE SQUARE FOOTAGE FOR YOU.
I DON'T KNOW THE TOTAL OCCUPANCY, BUT WE COULD GET THE BUILDING SQUARE FOOTAGE.
>> THAT'S THE SQUARE FEET OF THE BUILDING.
>> THAT MIGHT BE THE LOT AREA.
>> WELL, I'M JUST WONDERING IF THE CAPACITY ALLOWS.
I CAN TELL YOU EXACTLY HOW BIG THE RESTAURANT IS IF IT ALLOWS 200 PEOPLE TO SIT AND YOU HAVE ONLY 46 PARKING SPOTS.
THAT DOESN'T MAKE SENSE. HOWEVER, I'M JUST SPECULATING.
>> I THINK THE ZONING ORDINANCE USES SQUARE FOOTAGE FOR ITS PARKING RATIO IS ONE FOR 100 SQUARE FEET ASSUMING THAT'S ADEQUATE TO SEAT EVERYONE.
>> THERE'S THE TOTAL BUILDING PLUS THE PATIO AREA IS 4,500 SQUARE FEET.
BUT A PORTION OF THE BUILDING IS TAKEN UP BY KITCHEN AND RESTROOMS AND EVERYTHING ELSE.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? THANK YOU.
WE HAVE, I GUESS, AVAILABLE TO ANSWER QUESTIONS, AND THEN WE HAVE SOMEBODY.
>> SO IT'S A NON-PUBLIC HEARING ITEM.
>> THAT'S TRUE. IT IS A NON-PUBLIC HEARING ITEM.
BUT WE STILL ALLOW PEOPLE TO SPEAK.
>> I DON'T HAVE TO OPEN THE HEARING, BUT DON'T GET ME STARTED.
IT'S A NON-PUBLIC HEARING ITEM, BUT WE'RE GOING TO HEAR YOU SPEAK.
>> ARE YOU A MEMBER OF THE PUBLIC?
>> THEN IT IS A PUBLIC HEARING. SORRY.
>> AM I? I DON'T KNOW. I'M KENDALL FINSETH.
I'M WITH SPIARS ENGINEERING, SO WE'RE THE ENGINEER WITH THE APPLICANT WHO'S DOING THE SITE.
I SENT DONNA A COUPLE OF SLIDES.
PERFECT. WITH THE SITE RIGHT NOW IN EXISTING CONDITIONS, YOU CAN KIND OF SEE ON HERE THAT THERE ARE 24 SPACES PROVIDED, AND THE REQUIRED WITH THE 1-100 SQUARE FEET BEFORE CONDITIONS WILL BE 43 SPACES UP THERE AS YOU CAN SEE.
IN THE CONDITIONS THAT WE'RE PROPOSING, IN ADDITION TO GETTING THE FIRE LANE AND THE DUMPSTERS UP TO CODE, WE ARE ADDING 13 ADDITIONAL SPACES TO THE SITE SO THAT THERE WILL BE 37 SPACES TOTAL INSTEAD OF THE EXISTING 23.
WE'VE COORDINATED EXTENSIVELY WITH STAFF.
FOR THE BEST LAYOUT AND TO FIT IN AS MUCH PARKING AS POSSIBLE.
THAT INCLUDED GETTING RID OF THE DRIVE-THROUGH TO ADD PARKING SPACES.
[NOISE] THE ADDITIONAL 300 SQUARE FEET THAT WE'RE ADDING, REALLY, THAT'S ONLY ADDITION TO THE BUILDING WOULD REQUIRE IF YOU'RE DOING THE 1-100 RATIO THREE SPACES, BUT WE'RE ADDING 13 TO TRY AND GET IT AS CLOSE TO THAT 100% AS POSSIBLE, AND IT WILL MEET THAT 80%.
>> A QUICK QUESTION TO THE APPLICANTS.
I SEE THE PARKING SPACES TO THE NORTHEAST CORNER OF YOUR LOT.
>> DO YOU KNOW IF THEY ARE SOMETIMES CAN BE USED BY YOUR CUSTOMERS?
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IS THERE ANY AGREEMENTS BETWEEN YOUR LOT AND THE NEIGHBOR?>> NOT THAT I'M AWARE OF, BUT I DON'T KNOW IF DO YOU KNOW MORE ON THAT.
[NOISE] BUT OUR LOT SHOULD MEET THAT 80% REDUCTION THAT WE'RE REQUESTING.
>> THERE'S NO FORMAL SHARED PARKING AGREEMENT WITH THE ADJACENT LOT.
>> THEY'RE REQUIRED TO HAVE THEIR OWN, BUT I'VE LIVED NEXT TO THERE FOR 10 YEARS, AND THAT PARKING LOT IS ALWAYS EMPTY.
>> THEY'RE NOT GOING TO HAVE ANY TROUBLE FINDING PARKING.
I DON'T THINK, BUT [OVERLAPPING] UNDERSTAND.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS, MR. KERRY?
>> WHAT IS IT BEING PROPOSED AS?
>> ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? NO. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU.
>> THUS ENDS OUR NON-PUBLIC HEARING. MR. BRONSKY.
>> I'M REALLY EXCITED. I LIVE PROBABLY LESS THAN A QUARTER MILE FROM HERE AND HAVE HAD CONVERSATIONS WITH SEVERAL PEOPLE IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD WANTING TO KNOW WHAT EXACTLY WAS GOING ON HERE.
I'M REALLY EXCITED TO SAY THAT I MOVE THAT FOR ITEM 6 THAT WE APPROVE IT AS RECOMMENDED BY STAFF FOR THE REDUCTION.
>> WE HAVE A MOTION BY COMMISSIONER BRONSKY WITH A SECOND BY COMMISSIONER ALALI TO APPROVE ITEM 6.
GO MAKE SOME GOOD FOOD. NOW WE'RE ONTO ITEM 7.
WAS THE REPORT RELATED TO WHERE MY THING GO?
>> AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 7, DISCUSSION.
INTRODUCTION TO THE ZONING AND SUBDIVISION ORDINANCE RE-WRITE PROJECT.
PRESENTATION AND DISCUSSION OF THE ZONING ORDINANCE AND SUBDIVISION ORDINANCE RE-WRITE PROJECT, WHICH WILL UPDATE AND ALIGN REGULATIONS WITH CITY POLICY AND ADOPTED DOCUMENTS.
>> MR. CHAIRMAN, WOULD THIS BE A GOOD TIME FOR A QUICK BREAK?
JUST GET BACK ASAP BECAUSE WE'RE ALMOST DONE.
>> THEY'VE HAD LOTS OF PRACTICE WITH LONG NIGHTS AT CPRC, SO THEY'RE GOOD.
>> WE WERE IN RECESS UNTIL 9:45-ISH.
[7. (JR) Discussion: Introduction to the Zoning and Subdivision Ordinance Rewrite Project – Presentation and discussion of the Zoning Ordinance and Subdivision Ordinance Rewrite Project, which will update and align regulations with city policies and adopted documents. Project #DI2024-011.]
IT'S FOR ITEM NUMBER 7.>> DISCUSSION. INTRODUCTION TO THE ZONING AND SUBDIVISION ORDINANCE REWRITE PROJECT.
PRESENTATION AND DISCUSSION OF THE ZONING ORDINANCE AND SUBDIVISION ORDINANCE REWRITE PROJECT, WHICH WILL UPDATE AND ALIGN REGULATIONS WITH THE CITY POLICY AND ADOPTED DOCUMENTS.
>> GOOD EVENING AGAIN. THIS IS A QUICK UPDATE ON THE ZONING ORDINANCE AND SUBDIVISION ORDINANCE REWRITE PROJECT.
YOU'LL HAVE BEEN HEARING ABOUT THIS FOR QUITE SOME TIME.
IT'S BEEN ON THE P&Z WORK PROGRAM FOR A WHILE.
THERE HAVE BEEN PERIODIC UPDATES AND REVISIONS TO INDIVIDUAL SECTIONS OF THE ZONING AND SUBDIVISION ORDINANCES OVER THE YEARS, SUCH AS THE RECENT STREET DESIGN STANDARDS.
BUT THE LAST SIGNIFICANT UPDATE AND REORGANIZATION OF THE ORDINANCES WAS BACK IN 2015, AND CERTAIN SECTIONS CAN BE DATED BACK TO THE 1986 ORDINANCE.
THIS REWRITE IS AN OPPORTUNITY TO MODERNIZE OUR DEVELOPMENT REGULATIONS AND ALSO ENSURE CONSISTENCY WITH OTHER RECENTLY ADOPTED PLANS AND POLICIES, SUCH AS THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN 2021.
SO NINE GOALS OF THE PROJECT WERE IDENTIFIED.
THOSE ARE ALL LISTED IN YOUR PACKET.
SOME OF THE HIGHLIGHTS ARE TO INCENTIVIZE DEVELOPMENT, SIMPLIFY THE DEVELOPMENT PROCESS, MAKE THE ORDINANCE MORE USER FRIENDLY, AND AGAIN, TO ALIGN OUR REGULATIONS WITH THE POLICIES OF THE COMP PLAN.
AS IT IS A LARGE PROJECT, WE DO HAVE SOME CONSULTANTS INVOLVED IN THE REWRITE.
THE PRIMARY CONSULTANT IS FREESE AND NICHOLS.
THEY'RE AN ENGINEERING AND PLANNING FIRM LOCATED IN DALLAS.
THEY WERE ALSO OUR CONSULTANT ON THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
WE HAVE TWO REPRESENTATIVES FROM F&I HERE TONIGHT, DAN SEFKO AND DANIEL HARRISON.
THEY WILL BE AVAILABLE FOR ANY QUESTIONS AFTER MY PRESENTATION SHOULD YOU HAVE ANY.
THE CITY ATTORNEY WILL ALSO BE SUPPORTED BY OUTSIDE COUNSEL.
THEY WILL PROVIDE PEER REVIEW OF THE NEW DEVELOPMENT REGULATIONS AND HELP OUR CITY SOLICITORS MAINTAIN THEIR EXISTING WORKLOAD.
SEPARATELY, THERE WILL BE A CONTRACT RELATED TO TECHNOLOGY.
THIS IS GOING TO BE A LATER PHASE OF THE PROJECT.
THE CITY COUNCIL RECENTLY APPOINTED AN 11 MEMBER ADVISORY COMMITTEE.
THEY'RE GOING TO BE PUT IN PLACE TO PROVIDE EXPERT FEEDBACK TO THE CONSULTANT AND TO STAFF.
THIS 11 MEMBER COMMITTEE IS COMPOSED OF ALL PLANO RESIDENTS WITH TECHNICAL EXPERTISE IN ZONING AND DEVELOPMENT, AND IT DOES INCLUDE TWO PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSIONERS.
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THE PROJECT ITSELF CONSISTS OF THREE DISTINCT PHASES.THE FIRST PHASE IS A DIAGNOSTIC REVIEW AND ANALYSIS OF OUR EXISTING REGULATIONS.
THE SECOND PHASE IS A MODULE DEVELOPMENT.
WE HAVE DIVIDED THE TWO ORDINANCES INTO FOUR MODULES THAT WE WILL TACKLE IN CHUNKS.
THE THIRD PHASE IS ADOPTION OF THE NEW DEVELOPMENT REGULATIONS.
THE COMMISSION WILL BE INVOLVED THROUGHOUT THIS REWRITE PROJECT.
THERE'S THE QUICK INTRODUCTION TONIGHT, AND WE WILL HAVE ADDITIONAL DISCUSSION ITEMS PLANNED FOR REGULAR COMMISSION AGENDAS.
THERE WILL BE TWO FOR THE DIAGNOSTIC REPORT.
ONE WILL BE A BRIEFING ON THE REPORT, AND THEN ONE WILL BE AFTER THE REPORT HAS BEEN FINISHED.
WE WILL HAVE ONE DISCUSSION ITEM FOR EACH OF THE FOUR MODULES AFTER THEY HAVE BEEN VETTED BY OUR ADVISORY COMMITTEE.
WE DO HAVE ONE ADDITIONAL BRIEFING THAT WERE AVAILABLE TO SCHEDULE AS NEEDED.
ALL OF THE COMMISSIONERS HAVE ALSO BEEN INVITED TO PARTICIPATE IN THE STAKEHOLDER INTERVIEWS AS PART OF THE DIAGNOSTIC PHASE.
THOSE ARE BEING CONDUCTED BY FREESE AND NICHOLS.
ONCE WE GET INTO THE ADOPTION PHASE, THERE WILL BE A JOINT WORKSHOP WITH CITY COUNCIL ON THE COMPLETE DEVELOPMENT REGULATIONS OF BOTH THE ZONING AND THE SUBDIVISION ORDINANCES.
FINALLY, THERE WILL BE A PUBLIC HEARING FOR THE ADOPTION OF THOSE ORDINANCES.
ONE WILL BE WITH P&Z AND THE SECOND WITH THE CITY COUNCIL.
PUBLIC INVOLVEMENT WILL BE SOMEWHAT LIMITED COMPARED TO WHAT WE'VE SEEN IN THE PAST WITH THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
THIS IS BECAUSE THE ZONING ORDINANCE AND THE SUBDIVISION ORDINANCE ARE ROOTED IN THE POLICIES OF THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN THAT HAVE ALREADY BEEN VETTED AND ENDORSED BY THE COMMUNITY.
THESE TWO DOCUMENTS ARE VERY TECHNICAL IN NATURE, WHICH IS WHY WE HAVE THAT ADVISORY COMMITTEE.
HOWEVER, THERE ARE STILL OUTREACH AND INVOLVEMENT OPPORTUNITIES.
WE HAVE IDENTIFIED SOME KEY STAKEHOLDERS IN THE PUBLIC THAT WE WILL BE HOLDING THOSE INTERVIEWS WITH.
THERE WILL BE A PROJECT WEB PAGE LAUNCHING WITH KEY INFORMATION AND STAFF CONTACT.
AGAIN, THERE WILL BE DISCUSSION ITEMS PLACED ON THE REGULAR P&Z AGENDAS WHERE PEOPLE CAN SEE WHAT'S HAPPENING AND SPEAK TO ANY OF THOSE ITEMS. STAFF WILL BE PROVIDING UPDATES TO THE CITY COUNCIL AS WE REACH VARIOUS MILESTONES, SO THERE WILL BE ITEMS ON COUNCIL AGENDAS.
ONCE WE GET TO THE PUBLIC HEARING PHASE, THERE ARE THE ASSOCIATED NOTICES REQUIRED FOR PUBLIC HEARINGS, AND WE WILL ALSO BE MAILING A CITYWIDE NOTICE TO ALL THE ADDRESSES IN PLANO.
SO WE HAVE CONSIDERED SOME OUT OF SCOPE ITEMS. WE DO HAVE THE ABILITY TO ADD ADDITIONAL MEETINGS WITH STAFF WITH THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION AND WITH COUNCIL, AND THE CONSULTANT HAS PLACED SOME COSTS ON THOSE ITEMS SHOULD WE NEED TO ADD THEM.
WE'RE ALSO NOT CONSIDERING ANY CHANGES TO THE ZONING MAP, BUT IF THOSE ARE NEEDED, THOSE WILL BE COMPLETED BY STAFF, NOT THE CONSULTANT.
THIS IS A NEXT STEP, BUT THE PROJECT KICKOFF WAS LAST WEEK ON FRIDAY.
THAT WAS A MEETING BETWEEN THE CONSULTANT AND STAFF, AS WELL AS A BUS TOUR OF THE CITY.
THE FIRST MEETING WITH OUR REWRITE ADVISORY COMMITTEE WILL BE THIS WEEK ON WEDNESDAY, JULY 17.
WE'LL BE STARTING THOSE FOCUS GROUP STAKEHOLDER INTERVIEWS THIS WEEK AND RUNNING THROUGH NEXT WEEK AND WE ANTICIPATE COMING BACK TO THE COMMISSION SOMETIME IN SEPTEMBER OF THIS YEAR WITH THAT FIRST DIAGNOSTIC REPORT BRIEFING.
I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS, AND AGAIN, WE DO HAVE TWO REPRESENTATIVES FROM THE CONSULTANT HERE TONIGHT.
LOOKING FORWARD TO GETTING IT KICKED OFF.
I TIME MY EXIT JUST ABOUT RIGHT AT THE END OF OCTOBER, SO GOOD LUCK, GUYS, AND ENJOY YOURSELVES.
DO YOU WANT TO COME UP AND SPEAK JUST QUICKLY FOR A COUPLE OF MINUTES?
>> THANK YOU VERY MUCH. MY NAME IS DAN SEFKO.
AS I MENTIONED IN THE PRE-MEETING, WE APPRECIATE BEING INVITED BACK.
WE THINK WE HAVE A GOOD BACKGROUND AND A LOT OF HISTORY THAT WE CAN APPLY TO THIS EFFORT.
I ALSO MENTIONED THAT WE'RE HOPING TO SET THE TABLE FOR ALL THE REDEVELOPMENT THAT'S GOING TO OCCUR IN PLANO.
I THINK WE SAW THREE CASES TONIGHT. IT WAS VERY HELPFUL.
THE SOCCER CASE, THE APARTMENT CASE, AND THE LAST ONE, ARE ALL EXAMPLES OF PEOPLE WANTING TO USE THESE PIECES OF INFILL PROPERTY IN THE MOST EFFICIENT WAY POSSIBLE.
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WE OUGHT TO HAVE A BETTER WAY TO HOPEFULLY DEAL WITH THOSE THAT MAYBE STAFF CAN APPLY THE POLICIES IN THE PLAN A LITTLE MORE SPECIFICALLY AND THEN LEAVE POLICY DECISIONS UP TO YOU ALL WHERE THEY SHOULD BE.WITH ALL THAT SAID, WE APPRECIATE HAVING A CHANCE TO DO THIS.
IT'S GOING TO BE A LONG PROCESS.
WE HAVE A SCHEDULE IT'S OVER A YEAR.
I KNOW YOU WERE AS MR. KERRY WAS AVAILABLE DURING THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN PROCESS, BUT WE'RE SORRY YOU'RE NOT GOING TO BE ABLE TO HELP STEER.
>> THAT'S ALL I HAVE TO SAY. I'D BE GLAD TO ASK ANY QUESTIONS OR ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU MAY HAVE, ANY THOUGHTS OR COMMENTS.
>> I THINK IT WAS A GREAT DECISION TO INVITE FREESE AND NICHOLS BACK.
THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN WENT VERY WELL, AND I FEEL LIKE THEY HAVE A VERY STRONG UNDERSTANDING OF WHAT OUR COMMUNITY IS LOOKING FOR AND WORKING WITH THEM ON THE REWRITE.
I VERY MUCH LOOK FORWARD TO THE SAME TYPE OF EFFORT THAT THEY PUT FORWARD BEFORE, SO I'M EXCITED TO HAVE THEM WORKING WITH US.
>> WE ARE FORTUNATE TO HAVE MR. BRONSKY AND MR. RATLIFF ON THE REWRITE COMMITTEE.
YOU'LL HAVE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION WILL BE WELL REPRESENTED, AND MR. BRONSKY WAS ON THE COMMITTEE WHEN WE WORKED THROUGH THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
SO HE HAS AS MUCH HISTORY AS WE DO ON THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
HE'LL BE VERY VALUABLE THROUGHOUT THE PROCESS.
>> THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR BEING HERE AND YOUR PATIENTS FOR HANGING OUT THIS EVENING.
>> GLAD TO DO IT. THANK YOU ALL, AND WE'LL SEE ALL OF YOU SOON.
[8. (MZ) Discussion and Direction: 2024 Comprehensive Plan Maintenance Review – Regionalism Pillar & Other Miscellaneous Actions – Discussion and direction of recommended updates of the Regionalism Pillar and other miscellaneous actions of the Comprehensive Plan associated with the 2024 Comprehensive Plan Maintenance Review. Project #DI2024-012.]
2024 COMPREHENSIVE PLAN MAINTENANCE REVIEW, REGIONALISM PILLAR AND OTHER MISCELLANEOUS ACTIONS.
DISCUSSION AND DIRECTION OF RECOMMENDED UPDATES OF REGIONALISM PILLAR AND OTHER MISCELLANEOUS ACTIONS OF THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN ASSOCIATED WITH THE 2024 COMPREHENSIVE PLAN MAINTENANCE REVIEW.
>> GOOD EVENING, COMMISSION. MY NAME IS MARYAM ZER, PLANNER WITH THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT.
>> CAN YOU PULL THE MIC DOWN A LITTLE CLOSER TO YOU? NOT SO MUCH FOR US, BUT FOR ANYBODY AT HOME.
>> AS TOLIA MENTIONED, THIS IS A DISCUSSION AND DIRECTION ITEM REGARDING THE REGIONALISM PILLAR, AS WELL AS OTHER COMPREHENSIVE PLAN ACTIONS.
WE'VE ALREADY COVERED THIS, BUT WE'VE BROKEN THIS UP OVER A 10 YEAR REVIEW CYCLE.
THIS YEAR, WE'RE LOOKING AT THE ECONOMIC ENVIRONMENT PILLAR, WHICH WE'VE ALREADY BROUGHT FORWARD TO THIS COMMISSION TO REVIEW.
THIS EVENING, WE'RE LOOKING AT THE REGIONALISM PILLAR, AS WELL AS OTHER ACTIONS.
THE REGIONALISM PILLAR IS ONE COMPONENT, SIX POLICIES, AND 31 ACTIONS.
YOU CAN SEE THOSE ON THE SLIDE AND THEIR CORRESPONDING NUMBER OF ACTIONS.
AS PREVIOUSLY MENTIONED, THERE ARE TWO DIFFERENT SETS OF UPDATES, ADMINISTRATIVE UPDATES, AND THOSE REQUIRING A PLAN AMENDMENT.
THEN JUST A BRIEF OVERVIEW, WE HAVE BEEN WORKING WITH CITY DEPARTMENTS, VARIOUS DEPARTMENTS WHO HAVE A RELATED ROLE IN REVIEWING AND PROPOSING UPDATES.
ADMINISTRATIVE UPDATES INCLUDE MINOR STATISTICAL UPDATES BASED ON CURRENT DATA AVAILABLE, IN FACT, BASED INFORMATION.
WE HAVE SOME SOURCES OF DATA THAT WE'RE USING FOR THESE UPDATES AND THERE'S ALSO SOME INFORMATIONAL UPDATES.
HERE'S AN EXAMPLE ON THE SCREEN BASED ON 2022 AMERICAN COMMUNITY SURVEY DATA AND ALSO THE ENGINEERING DEPARTMENT TRANSPORTATION DIVISION'S PROJECT PRIORITIES.
SO THE POPULATION GROWTH POLICY.
WE'RE NOT PROPOSING ANY UPDATES TO THE POLICY STATEMENT, AND NO CHANGES ARE PROPOSED TO THE ACTIONS AS WELL.
THE REGIONAL TRANSPORTATION POLICY.
WE ARE PROPOSING A MINOR UPDATE TO THE STATEMENT ITSELF BY INCLUDING IMPROVING SAFETY.
THIS ALIGNS WITH A COMPREHENSIVE PLAN 2021 UPDATE, WHICH ADDED IMPROVING SAFETY TO THE REGIONAL TRANSPORTATION BACKGROUND.
THEN THERE ARE THREE CHANGES PROPOSED TO THE ACTIONS TO RT1, RT2, AND RT4.
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FOR RT1, THE ACTION CHANGE INCORPORATES THE WAY THAT THE CITY CONSIDERS DIFFERENT CRITERIA AND BEST PRACTICES APPROPRIATE FOR EACH PROJECT, RATHER THAN CREATING A SINGLE SET OF CRITERIA USED TO EVALUATE ALL PROJECTS.RT2, THIS ACTION CHANGE REFLECTS THAT ALTHOUGH THE CITY AIMS TO COMPLETE TRAIL CONNECTIONS WITH NEIGHBORING CITIES, THEIR TIMELINE DUE TO FUNDING OR CONSTRUCTION MAY NOT ALWAYS ALIGN WITH PLANO'S.
RT4, THE ACTION CHANGE REFLECTS THE NATURE OF REGIONAL TRANSPORTATION PLANS AND THAT THEY ARE REVIEWED ON AN AS NEEDED BASIS RATHER THAN ANNUALLY.
THERE ARE NO CHANGES PROPOSED TO THE POLICY STATEMENT.
THERE ARE FOUR ACTIONS AS SHOWN ON THE SCREEN THAT ARE PROPOSED TO BE UPDATED.
AIR QUALITY 1, THE ACTION UPDATE ACKNOWLEDGES THE CITY'S ANTI IDLING ORDINANCE, WHICH WAS ADOPTED IN 2017, AND THAT IT'D BE REEVALUATED ON AN AS NEEDED BASIS.
AIR QUALITY 2, THIS ACTION CHANGE CLARIFIES THE INTENT OF THE ACTION AND PLACES THE EMPHASIS ON IMPLEMENTING NEW TECHNOLOGIES TO ASSIST WITH REDUCING AIR POLLUTANTS RATHER THAN IDLING DETECTION FOR CITY VEHICLES, WHICH IS JUST ONE EXAMPLE.
AIR QUALITY 5, THE ACTION CHANGE ACKNOWLEDGES THE CITY'S ROADWAY CONSTRUCTION POLICY IN PLACE AND THAT IT'D BE REEVALUATED ON AN AS NEEDED BASIS.
LASTLY, AIR QUALITY 6, THIS ACTION CHANGE REFLECTS PLANO'S COLLABORATION THROUGH REGIONAL TRANSPORTATION AGENCIES TO IMPLEMENT TRAVEL DEMAND MANAGEMENT POLICIES.
ADDITIONALLY, THE ACTION IS REWORDED HERE AS WELL TO INCLUDE ALL TRAVEL DEMAND POLICIES AND STRATEGIES WITH HOV AXIS AND CONGESTION PRICING IS ONE EXAMPLE.
THE REGIONAL WATER CONSERVATION POLICY.
THERE IS NO UPDATE PROPOSED TO THE POLICY STATEMENT.
HOWEVER, FIVE OF THE SIX ACTIONS ARE PROPOSED TO BE UPDATED.
I JUST WANT TO TOUCH THAT THIS IS COVERED BY THE REGIONAL WATER CONSERVATION OR THE CITY'S WATER MANAGEMENT PLAN THAT WAS ADOPTED IN 2019.
WE REALLY RELIED ON THAT TO GUIDE THESE UPDATES.
RWC1, THIS ACTION CHANGE IDENTIFIES THE CITY'S WATER MANAGEMENT PLAN, WHICH WAS DEVELOPED IN CONCERT WITH THE NORTH TEXAS MUNICIPAL WATER DISTRICT'S REGIONAL WATER CONSERVATION PLAN.
RWC3, AND THIS REALLY TOUCHES ON THE PARKS AND RECREATION DEPARTMENT'S RESPONSIBILITY RELATED TO CONSERVING WATER AND REDUCING COSTS IN REGARD TO IRRIGATION OF PUBLIC PROPERTY.
>> ACTION FOUR OR RWC4 CLARIFIES THAT WATERING GUIDELINES OCCUR UNDER NORMAL CONDITIONS, WHEREAS WATERING RESTRICTIONS ARE ENFORCED BY THE PUBLIC WORKS DEPARTMENT DURING DROUGHT AND EMERGENCY WATER CONDITIONS.
RWC5 REFLECTS THAT A RECOMMENDED DROUGHT RESISTANT AND NATIVE PLANT LIST IS ANTICIPATED TO BE INCLUDED IN THE UPCOMING ZONING ORDINANCE REWRITE.
IN RWC6, THE ACTION CHANGE INCORPORATES THE RESPONSIBILITY OF THE PUBLIC WORKS DEPARTMENT REGARDING WATER CONSERVATION AND IS IN LINE WITH THE CITY'S WATER MANAGEMENT PLAN.
THE CONSISTENCY WITH NEIGHBORING CITIES POLICY.
NO UPDATES ARE PROPOSED TO THE STATEMENT.
HOWEVER, AS SEEN ON THE SCREEN, WE ARE PROPOSING UPDATES TO ALL FOUR ACTIONS.
CNC1 REFLECTS THAT COORDINATION REGARDING LAND USE AND TRANSPORTATION OCCURS ON AN AS DEEDED BASIS RATHER THAN ON A FIXED TWO YEAR SCHEDULE.
CNC2, THE CHANGE ADDS THAT THE CITY ALSO MAKES AN EFFORT TO SHARE PROGRAMS AND INFORMATION WITH NEIGHBORING CITIES.
CNC3, THE ACTION CHANGE CLARIFIES THAT VECTOR CONTROL APPLIES TO INSECTS, WHILE ANIMAL CONTROL IS A DIFFERENT METHOD.
ADDITIONALLY, INFORMATION IS SHARED WITH COLLIN COUNTY AND IS REFLECTED IN THE ACTION CHANGE.
IN CNC4, THE ACTION CHANGE CLARIFIES THE INFORMATION THAT IS REVIEWED WITH NEIGHBORING CITIES TO DETERMINE PARKS AND RECREATION PROGRAMMING AND FACILITIES.
NO UPDATES ARE PROPOSED TO THE REGIONAL EDUCATION POLICY STATEMENT OR ITS ACTIONS.
AND JUST WANTED TO NOTE THAT THIS WAS HEAVILY REVIEWED AND UPDATED DURING THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN 2021 REVIEW.
THERE ARE FOUR OTHER MINOR UPDATES PROPOSED, AND THEY ARE NOT IN LINE WITH THE TENURE REVIEW CYCLE.
HOWEVER, THEY'RE A RESULT OF THE ACTION UPDATES WE RECEIVE ON A YEARLY BASIS FROM DEPARTMENTS WHO HAVE A RESPONSIBILITY TO IMPLEMENT THOSE ACTIONS.
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THESE ACTIONS ARE EITHER COMPLETE OR OBSOLETE, AND SO THE UPDATES REFLECT THAT.FOR EXAMPLE, RS8, THE TRAFFIC IMPACT ASSESSMENT WAS UPDATED IN 2023.
SO WE'VE UPDATED THAT ACTION TO NOTATE THAT IT WOULD BE ROUTINELY RE EVALUATED.
PPS4, THE PLACEMAKING AND PUBLIC SPACES POLICY, WE'RE PROPOSING FOR THAT TO BE REMOVED AS AS FOOD TRUCK EVENTS ARE NO LONGER A CURRENT OR FUTURE PRIORITY OF THE PARKS AND RECREATION DEPARTMENT.
HOWEVER, WE DO WANT TO NOTE THAT THE GOAL OF THAT CERTAIN ACTION WAS TO ACTIVATE PUBLIC SPACES, AND THAT'S STILL ADDRESSED BY PPS3 JUST NOT SPECIFICALLY ADDRESSED AS IT IS BY PPS4.
THE PLACEMAKING AND PUBLIC SPACES POLICY ACTION 8.
THAT UPDATE REFLECTS THE DISSOLVING OF THE HISTORIC DOWNTOWN PLANO ASSOCIATION, AND NOW THEY COORDINATE DIRECTLY WITH DOWNTOWN BUSINESSES AND STAKEHOLDERS WHO SUPPORT PROGRAMMING FOR MCCALL PLAZA.
AND LASTLY, ARTS AND CULTURE POLICY ACTION 1 AND THE UPDATE INCLUDES A CULTURAL ARTS MASTER PLAN AS THAT EFFORT IS RELATED TO THE CITY'S SUPPORT OF INSTALLATION OF PUBLIC ART.
THOSE ARE ALL THE PROPOSED UPDATES.
QUICKLY COVERING WHERE WE ARE WE'RE HERE DISCUSSING THE REGIONALISM PILLAR.
WE ARE TENTATIVELY PLANNING A SEPTEMBER 5TH, PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION PUBLIC HEARING.
BUT PRIOR TO THAT, WE DO PLAN TO PUBLISH THE PROPOSED UPDATES ONLINE FOR PUBLIC REVIEW.
THAT CONCLUDES MY PRESENTATION, I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS OR RECEIVE ANY INPUT.
>> COMMENTS, WOW, LIGHTS ARE ON HANDS ARE UP.
I GUESS WE'LL GO AROUND, MR. BRONOV.
>> WE APPRECIATE ALL YOUR WORK ON THIS SUBJECT, WHICH IS A COMPLEX SUBJECT.
THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN IS A LIVING DOCUMENT, AND IT REQUIRES REVIEW AND UPDATING AND CHANGE AND ADAPTABILITY IN ORDER FOR IT TO REMAIN RELEVANT.
WITH RESPECT TO REGIONAL TRANSPORTATION, I NOTICED THERE WAS VERY LITTLE REFERENCE IN YOUR PROPOSAL TO DALLAS AREA RAPID TRANSIT.
AND I WOULD HOPE THAT ANY AMENDMENTS WOULD INCLUDE LANGUAGE RECOGNIZING THE IMPORTANCE OF DALLAS AREA RAPID TRANSIT IN PROVIDING REGIONAL MASS TRANSIT MOBILITY BENEFITING PLANO AND ALL OF THE OTHER MEMBER CITIES IN DART.
AND IN PROVIDING A STIMULUS FOR ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT, INCLUDING BUT NOT LIMITED TO TRANSIT ORIENTED DEVELOPMENT AROUND LIGHT RAIL STATIONS.
SO I WOULD LIKE TO SEE LANGUAGE THAT WHERE THE CITY UNDERTAKES TO COMMUNICATE AND COOPERATE WITH DART AND OUR FELLOW DART MEMBER CITIES TO MAXIMIZE THE BENEFIT TO THE CITY FROM OUR PARTICIPATION AS A DART MEMBER CITY.
>> CAN YOU GO BACK TO A SLIDE THAT REFERS TO THE POPULATION POLICY? I KNOW THAT THERE'S NO CHANGES OR ANYTHING RELATED TO IT, BUT I FELT LIKE THERE MIGHT BE SOMETHING THAT WE COULD DO WITH THE POPULATION BECAUSE I FEEL LIKE OUR CITY HAS UNDERGONE A LOT OF CHANGES IN OUR POPULATION DEMOGRAPHIC AND AGES.
MAYBE I'M JUST NOT UNDERSTANDING WHAT THIS POLICY IS ABOUT.
IS THERE ANYTHING WE NEED TO DO REGARDING WHAT OUR CURRENT POPULATION THAT IS VASTLY DIFFERENT FROM 20 YEARS AGO OR 40 YEARS AGO? I FEEL LIKE WE'RE GETTING OLDER AND PROBABLY THERE'S A SHIFT OF THE DEMOGRAPHIC INFORMATION.
I'M NOT SURE WHAT POLICY WE COULD DO HERE.
>> I THINK YOU WE NEED TO LOOK AT IT THROUGH THE LENS OF REGIONALISM VERSUS JUST PLANO.
>> I THINK THAT'S WHAT THIS AREA IS JUST FOCUSED, THIS PILLARS, THE REGIONALISM.
AND I THINK THAT'S WHY PERHAPS I DON'T KNOW,
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MIKE, I THINK YOU WERE GOING TO SAY SOMETHING OR.>> IT'S JUST MY QUESTION, I DON'T KNOW IF WE NEED TO DO SOMETHING ABOUT THIS OR NOT OR THIS IS THE RIGHT PLACE OR NOT.
>> I WAS JUST GOING TO SAY, I THINK IN 2021, THIS WAS LOOKED AT AND SO WE UPDATED POPULATION FIGURES AND ALL THOSE TRENDS WERE REALLY SIMILAR AS THEY ARE NOW.
SO I THINK WE'VE HOPEFULLY ACCOUNTED FOR THAT, BUT IF YOU SEE SOMETHING, OBVIOUSLY, WE CAN ALWAYS ADDRESS IT.
AGAIN, I'M NOT SURE IF IT'S RELATED TO THE REGIONAL PILLAR THING.
IT JUST CAME TO MY MIND AND I JUST GOING TO THROW IT OUT THERE, MAYBE A DIFFERENT TIME WE CAN TALK ABOUT IT.
I KNOW WE HAVE A LOT OF ORDINANCE AROUND PUTTING UP NEW SIGNS, BUT DO WE HAVE ANY ORDINANCE ABOUT TAKING OFF THE OLD SIGNS BECAUSE I KNOW SOME OF OUR COMMERCIAL RETAIL CENTERS ARE LOSING TENANTS, AND BUILDINGS ARE BEING ABANDONED, BUT THE SIGNS ARE STILL THERE FOR A LONG TIME, ESPECIALLY SOME ROAD SIGNS AND, JACK IN THE BOX GOING HERE, BUT THE JACKS IN THE BOX BUILDING IS NOT THERE ANYMORE.
SO I'M NOT SURE WHERE WE CAN PUT THAT INTO MANDATE THE OWNERS TO UPDATE THEIR SIGNS WHEN THE BUILDING IS GONE OR THE BUSINESS IS GONE.
I DON'T KNOW IF IT'D FALL UNDER SIGN ORDINANCE, I GUESS.
>> IT'S ACTUALLY ONE OF THE THINGS WE'RE LOOKING AT WITH THE SIGN ORDINANCE NOW.
>> COUPLE OF THINGS. FIRST OF ALL, I'D LIKE TO ADDRESS COMMISSIONER TONGS COMMENT ABOUT GROWING OLDER, ONLY SOME OF US ARE GROWING OLDER. I'D LIKE TO START WITH.
SO A SERIOUS COMMENT, THERE AREN'T A LOT OF CHANGES IN HERE, AND I THINK THAT REALLY SPEAKS TO HOW WELL THIS THING GOT CRAFTED TO BEGIN WITH.
SO TIP OF THE HAT TO EVERYBODY THERE, I DON'T SEE A LOT OF CHANGES THERE THAT'S MY OPINION.
I SEE SOME FOCUS ON WATER AND TRAFFIC, AND I THINK THAT'S WISE.
I THINK THOSE THINGS WILL CONTINUE TO BE CHALLENGING FOR ALL NORTH TEXAS COMMUNITIES AND SO THAT'S GREAT.
JUST ONE COMMENT WAS, WE CITE A NUMBER OF DIFFERENT THINGS AND I GUESS I'D LIKE TO AS WE GO FORWARD, LOOK AT EXACTLY NOT THIS SECOND, BUT HOW ARE WE GOING TO MEASURE THESE THINGS TO REALLY SEE IF WE'RE MAKING PROGRESS.
AND WE USE THE WORD REGULARLY, WHICH ISN'T VERY SPECIFIC, AND SO I MIGHT CHALLENGE THAT WORD AS WE LOOK FOR IT BECAUSE I DON'T KNOW WHAT IT MEANS.
AND THEN FINALLY, COMMISSIONER BRONOV TALKED ABOUT DART, AND I ACTUALLY DO KNOW A FEW THINGS ABOUT THIS ONE THAT I CAN SHARE, AND I AGREE WITH HIM.
WE NEED TO LOOK AT MAXIMIZING OUR INVESTMENT AND I KNOW THAT THERE'S COUNCIL MEMBERS THAT ARE DIGGING INTO THIS DEEPLY BECAUSE THE OVERRIDING BELIEF, I THINK, IN A LOT OF PEOPLE, IS THAT WE'RE NOT GETTING ANYWHERE NEAR THE RETURN ON OUR INVESTMENT ON THIS.
I THINK WE'RE SPENDING $117 MILLION A YEAR, AND THE RIDERSHIP NEEDS TO INCREASE.
AND SO WHILE MAYBE LOOKING FORWARD, IT'S OPTIMISTIC, BUT RIGHT NOW I THINK A LOT OF PEOPLE BELIEVE WE'RE NOT GETTING OR NEAR WHAT WE'RE INVESTING AS A CITY IN HERE, WE'RE SPENDING, I THINK, I DON'T KNOW, $350,000 ALMOST A DAY ON DART.
SO I THINK THOSE ARE ACCURATE FACTS.
AND SO I AGREE WITH YOU WE NEED TO LOOK HOW WE'RE GOING TO MAXIMIZE THAT WITH OUR SURROUNDING COMMUNITIES AS WELL.
SO ANYWAY, THOSE WOULD BE MY COMMENTS.
>> I THINK ALL THOSE COMMENTS I AGREE WITH ALL THOSE.
ONE THAT I WOULD LIKE TO HIGHLIGHT IS THE CONSISTENCY WITH NEIGHBORING CITIES POLICIES.
I'VE HAD SOME QUESTIONS OVER THE YEARS ABOUT HOW WE DEAL WITH ZONING AT THE CITY LIMIT LINE.
AND SO QUESTION AND ALL THESE ARE GREAT, AND I THINK THEY'RE ALL ON TARGET.
DO WE HAVE A PROCESS PROCEDURE, COMMUNICATION PROTOCOL.
WHEN WE'RE CONSIDERING A ZONING CHANGE WITHIN I DON'T KNOW, 200 FEET, 500 FEET THOUSAND FEET OF A CITY LIMIT LINE OR WHEN ONE OF OUR NEIGHBORING CITIES IS DOING THE SAME SO THAT WE CAN COMPARE NOTES WITH THEIR PLANNERS.
IS THERE ANY FORMAL MECHANISM IN PLACE TO DO THAT, OR IS IT MORE OF A AD HOC ARRANGEMENT?
>> NOTHING FORMAL, I THINK THE DIRECTORS SPEAK OFTEN, BUT THERE'S NOTHING FORMALIZED.
>> OKAY. WHEN YOU ALL HAVE ONE THAT DO YOU THINK IS CONTROVERSIAL, THEY REACH OUT, OR IS THERE JUST A LITTLE MORE CLARITY ON THAT?
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>> UNFORTUNATELY, I DON'T HAVE A GOOD EXAMPLE TO GIVE YOU.
I THINK IF THERE WAS SOMETHING ON A PROPERTY LINE WHERE WE THOUGHT IT WOULD HAVE AN IMPACT THE RESIDENTS IN THE JASON COMMUNITY, WE WOULD CERTAINLY REACH OUT.
I THINK A LOT OF TIMES THOUGH WE'RE RIGHT ACROSS FREEWAYS FROM THE OTHER CITIES, SO IT DOESN'T COME UP QUITE AS MUCH AS YOU MIGHT THINK, BUT I THINK WE WOULD CERTAINLY REACH OUT TO DO THAT.
THERE'S JUST NO FORMAL PROCESS TO DO THAT.
SO LIKE YOU SAID, IT'S AD HOC, IF WE SEE A CONCERN WE DO THAT.
>> I HAVE A QUESTION, BUT I COULDN'T FIND WHAT I WAS LOOKING FOR.
MY QUESTION WAS RELATED TO THE POPULATION THAT COMMISSIONER TONGS WAS TALKING ABOUT.
WHEN WE WENT THROUGH THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, WE WERE LOOKING AT A STUDY, I THINK IT WAS OUT OF THE UNIVERSITY OF TEXAS AND ABOUT THE EXPECTED POPULATION GROWTH FOR THE REGION.
AND THEY USED THREE DIFFERENT METRICS IN ORDER TO PROJECT WHICH OF THE THREE THAT THEY WERE EXPECTING US TO HAVE.
AND THE ONE THAT WAS PROJECTING THE LARGEST NUMBERS WAS THE ONE THAT WHEN YOU READ THE ACTUAL TEXT OF THE STUDY WAS SAYING THAT THIS IS THE LEAST POSSIBLE OPTION.
ARE WE STILL USING THAT PARTICULAR STUDY IN THE POPULATION OR ARE WE CHOSEN A DIFFERENT ONE, OR HAVE WE SEEN THAT STUDY UPDATED OR CHANGED?
>> WE'RE USING THE NORTH CENTRAL TEXAS COUNCIL OF GOVERNMENT'S DEMOGRAPHIC STUDY THAT THEY PAID TO HAVE DONE.
SO I DON'T KNOW IF THEY DREW ON UT STUDY OR THEY DID THEIR OWN FORECAST USING ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT GROUPS AND STUFF.
BUT THE NUMBER THAT THEY'RE SHOWING IS IN THE NEXT 21 YEARS, AN ADDITIONAL 3.8 MILLION PEOPLE IN DFW, STARTING FROM 7.7 MILLION.
SO IMAGINE US BEING A CLOSE TO 12 MILLION PEOPLE AREA, IT'S PRETTY ASTOUNDING WHEN YOU THINK ABOUT IT.
>> AND I THINK THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN HAS A LOW AND A HIGH SCENARIO AS PART OF IT.
WE CAN PROJECT HOW MUCH WE'RE GOING TO HAVE BASED ON EXISTING ZONING.
BUT AT THIS POINT, MOST OF THE GROWTH BEYOND THAT IS GOING TO BE THROUGH REZONING AND REDEVELOPMENT THAT IT'S REALLY HARD TO PREDICT.
SO WE HAVE SOME EXEMPTIONS BUILT INTO THAT AND WE LOOK AT THOSE ANNUALLY AS PART OF OUR ANNUAL STUDY OF HOUSING THAT GOES INTO OUR ANNUAL REPORT.
>> I COULDN'T REMEMBER BECAUSE IT CAME FROM COG, BUT IT ACTUALLY COG HAD GOT IT SOMEWHERE ELSE.
I COULDN'T REMEMBER IF THAT WAS WHAT WE USED AND IF WE WERE SEEING IT TRACKING THAT LAYER, WE WERE SEEING A DIFFERENCE IN THAT BUT AS I SAID I COULDN'T REMEMBER.
>> IN OTHER WORDS, HOW ACCURATE WERE THE FORECASTS FIVE YEARS AGO.
>> COMMISSIONER ALI, ANYTHING TO ADD? THAT'S GOOD.
SHE'S READY TO MAKE A MOTION TO ADJOURN, THAT'LL BE HER FIRST MOTION ON THE COMMISSION.
SO REALLY NO NEED FOR ACTION TONIGHT, BUT EVERYTHING I SEE LOOKS GOOD.
EVERYTHING HAS BEEN SAID, THANK YOU FOR THE HARD WORK.
I DO LIKE THAT COMMISSIONER BRONOV BROUGHT IT UP, AND I THINK COMMISSIONER BRONSKY, AND I'VE HAD THIS DISCUSSION BEFORE AND WHEN I WAS SITTING HERE LOOKING AT IT, I WENT.
IT'S NICE TO SEE A PLAN THAT'S ALIVE, SO WELL DONE TO THE STAFF FOR THIS.
SO ANYTHING ELSE? ANYBODY? WE ARE ADJOURNED AT 10:19.
* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.