GOOD EVENING, EVERYONE. THANK YOU FOR JOINING US.
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I WILL CALL THE REGULARLY SCHEDULED MEETING OF THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION INTO ORDER AT 7:00.IF YOU WOULD PLEASE RISE AND JOIN ME IN THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE.
I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE, WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL.
[CONSENT AGENDA]
THE CONSENT AGENDA WILL BE ACTED UPON IN ONE MOTION AND CONTAINS ITEMS WHICH ARE ROUTINE AND TYPICALLY NONCONTROVERSIAL.ITEMS MAY BE REMOVED FROM THIS AGENDA FOR INDIVIDUAL CONSIDERATION BY COMMISSIONERS OR STAFF.
WOULD ANYONE LIKE TO PULL ANY OTHER ITEM FROM THE CONSENT AGENDA? SEEING NONE.
I MOVE, WE APPROVE THE CONSENT AGENDA MINUS ITEM B AS SUBMITTED.
AND THAT CARRIES BY A VOTE OF 5 TO 0.
[b. Site Plan: Turner Heritage Addition, Block 1, Lot 1R – Vehicle parking lot on one lot on 3.0 acres located at the southeast corner of Spring Creek Parkway and Baywater Drive. Zoned Planned Development-447-Retail/Multifamily Residence-2 and located within the Preston Road Overlay District. Project #SP2024-007. Applicant: HEB Grocery Company, LP (Administrative consideration)]
WHO'S GOING TO PRESENT ON ITEM B? HANG ON A SECOND. WE'RE GOING TO HAVE ANYBODY FROM STAFF READ THE CONSENT ITEM B SITE PLAN, TURNER HERITAGE ADDITION BLOCK ONE, LOT ONE R VEHICLE PARKING LOT ON ONE LOT 3.0 ACRES.LOCATED AT THE SOUTHEAST CORNER OF SPRING CREEK PARKWAY AND BAY WATER DRIVE.
ZONED PLANNED DEVELOPMENT 447 RETAIL, MULTIFAMILY RESIDENCE TWO AND LOCATED WITHIN PRESTON ROAD OVERLAY DISTRICT APPLICANT HEB GROCERY COMPANY LP AND THIS IS FOR ADMINISTRATIVE CONSIDERATION.
THANK YOU. STAFF, YOU WANT TO GIVE US A BRIEF? SURE. THIS IS A SITE PLAN TO CONSTRUCT A PERMANENT PARKING LOT FOR THE HEB AT SPRING CREEK AND PRESTON.
HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU MAY HAVE.
IS THIS AN EXPANSION OF THEIR EXISTING PARKING BECAUSE OR DID THEY EXPAND THIS? WHY WOULD THEY NEED AN EXPANSION NOW? SO THERE IS CURRENTLY A TEMPORARY PARKING LOT IN THAT LOCATION NOW THAT WAS FOR CONSTRUCTION PURPOSES.
MR. LISLE. YOU WISH TO SPEAK ON THIS? YES. GOT A LITTLE PACKET FOR YOU.
MY QUESTIONS ARE GOING TO BE DIRECTED TO YOU.
I SAVED THE PAPER AND DIDN'T MAKE ONE FOR EVERYBODY.
DO I NEED TO TURN THIS ON? IT'S ON, IT'S ON.
OKAY, SO THE FIRST PAGE, MIKE, IS JUST THE CONSENT AGENDA.
SO WE'RE LOOKING AT ITEM B, WHICH IS THE TOP THING.
AND IF YOU GO TO THE NEXT PAGE IT'S THE PAGE THAT WAS IN THE PACKET.
AND HERE WE SEE THE BLUE AREA UP AT THE TOP.
AND THEN WE SEE THREE AREAS THAT ARE ALL LABELED PD 447 RMF TWO.
YOU SEE THAT? YEAH, IF YOU GO TO THE NEXT PAGE.
DO YOU SEE THAT? IS THIS THE PAGE THAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT RIGHT HERE? THAT PAGE. RIGHT. OKAY.
SEE THE DARK LINE THAT'S AROUND ALL OF THE PDF OR I'M SORRY, THE PD, NOT THE PDF.
AND THEN WITHIN THAT PD THERE'S THREE SUPS, WHICH IS WHAT THE S631 S567 AND S423 ARE. IF YOU GO TO THE NEXT PAGE.
I WENT TO THE LIST OF PDS THAT ARE ON THE ZONING WEBSITE, AND I WENT TO PD 447RMF2. AND AS I CAME DOWN, I FOUND NUMBER FOUR.
JUST FOR CONTEXT, THREE IS PDMF2.
SO IT APPEARS UNLESS YOU CORRECT ME MIKE, THAT A, B AND C UNDER PDMF2 ARE FOR THE MULTIFAMILY.
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AND THEN IT APPEARS THAT NUMBER 4PDR IS THE PARAMETERS OR THE RESTRICTIONS THAT WERE WRITTEN INTO THE PD FOR THE RESIDENTIAL OR THE RETAIL AREA.DOES THAT MAKE SENSE? YES. AS A RESTRICTION IS A MAXIMUM OF 500,000FT² OF DEVELOPMENT SHALL BE ALLOWED.
SO THEN I STARTED ASKING MYSELF, WELL, WHAT IS DEVELOPMENT? SO I WENT TO ARTICLE EIGHT FOR OUR DEFINITIONS, WHICH IS WHAT THE NEXT PAGE IS.
AND THEN IT LISTS THE ORDINANCE.
SO THE NEXT PAGE IS THE SUBDIVISION ORDINANCE IN 2.2 WHERE IT DEFINES WHAT DEVELOPMENT IS.
IT DEFINES IT AS ANY HUMAN INITIATED CHANGE TO IMPROVED OR UNIMPROVED REAL ESTATE, INCLUDING BUT NOT LIMITED TO, THE NEW CONSTRUCTION OR THE ENLARGEMENT OF ANY EXTERIOR DIMENSION OF A BUILDING OR OTHER STRUCTURE, AND THE INSTALLATION OF ANY TYPE OF SITE IMPROVEMENT.
BUT WHAT DOES NOT INCLUDE BONA FIDE AGRICULTURAL ACTIVITIES.
SO TO SUMMARIZE THAT WHAT I'M READING IS ANY EXPANSION OR BUILDING AND THEN ANY SITE IMPROVEMENT IS QUALIFIED AS DEVELOPMENT, WHICH IS RESTRICTED BY THE PD TO 500,000FT².
AND IF YOU GO TO THE LAST PAGE, THE SITE DATA SUMMARY TABLE, THIS IS THE SUMMARY TABLE OFF OF THE SITE PLAN THAT WAS INCLUDED IN THIS CONSENT AGENDA B ITEM.
AND WHAT'S MISSING HERE? IT GIVES US A LOT OF NUMBERS ONE DOWN AT THE BOTTOM AREA OF SIDEWALK, PAVEMENT AND OTHER IMPERVIOUS FLAT WORK SQUARE FEET.
BUT WHAT THIS DOESN'T GIVE THE COMMISSION.
CAN I JUST FINISH THAT SENTENCE? NO, WE'RE GOING TO HAVE WE HAVE TO STOP IT.
AND THERE'S SOME REASONS WHY I CAN CHAT WITH YOU ABOUT IT LATER.
ONE IS MY ROLE IS TO ANSWER THE QUESTIONS FROM PUBLIC OR ANYBODY THERE AT THAT DAIS.
SO. I KIND OF FOLLOW WHERE YOU'RE YOU'RE HEADING WITH THIS.
BUT I HAVE SOME QUESTIONS AROUND CONTEXT.
AND SO WHAT I'M GOING TO RECOMMEND THAT WE DO IS YOU CAN SUBMIT THE QUESTIONS IF YOU WANT.
OR IF YOU WANT TO SAY IF YOU WANT.
I GUESS I WOULD RATHER YOU EMAILED US THE EXACT QUESTION YOU'RE TRYING TO GET TO.
I'M FOLLOWING YOUR PATH HERE, BUT I'M NOT SURE BECAUSE AGAIN, I DON'T HAVE THE CONTEXT ON ALL OF IT THAT I CAN SAY THAT I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOUR QUESTION REALLY IS RIGHT NOW. THAT'S WHAT I WAS GOING TO FINISH WITH. AS IT RELATES TO THIS, THIS CASE SO SPECIFIC TO THIS CASE, IF YOU WOULD PLEASE WRITE THAT OUT.
SO ARE YOU GOING TO TABLE THIS? I DON'T KNOW THAT WE WOULD TABLE IT.
OR WHAT DIFFERENCE DOES IT MAKE IF YOU ANSWER THE QUESTION AFTER THE FACT? IT MIGHT GIVE SOME CONTEXT AROUND WHY IT IS WHAT WE'RE DOING.
SO BUT WHAT YOU'RE SAYING IS I CAN'T JUST LIKE ASK THE QUESTION NOW.
WHAT'S THE QUESTION? HOW MANY SQUARE FEET HAVE ALREADY BEEN DEVELOPED IN THIS PD? AND HAVEN'T WE ALREADY EXCEEDED THE 500,000 SQUARE FOOT MAXIMUM? AND WHY IS THE COMMISSION NOT GIVEN THAT TOTAL AS PART OF THIS? OKAY. THAT'S YOUR QUESTION? YES, THAT'S IT. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU.
THANK YOU. THERE'S A LOT TO UNPACK WITH THAT.
I'M NOT PREPARED TO GIVE A FULL ANALYSIS BASED ON THE INFORMATION.
SO THAT SEEMS TO BE AN ILLOGICAL INTERPRETATION OF THIS REQUEST.
AGAIN, THIS IS PARKING SPACE IN ASSOCIATION WITH THE HEB.
HAD IT BEEN ON A SINGLE LOT, IT WOULD BE TREATED NO DIFFERENTLY.
IT'S JUST SIMPLY SUBDIVIDED FROM THE REMAINDER OF THE GROCERY STORE.
SO HAPPY TO PROVIDE MORE INFORMATION, BUT I WOULD ENCOURAGE MR. LISLE TO DIRECT HIS COMMENTS TO DEPUTY CITY MANAGER JACK CARR.
IT WAS TEMPORARY TO BEGIN WITH.
AND THAT WAS APPROVED BY US AND ORIGINALLY BY COUNCIL.
I THINK THIS WAS GIVEN TO YOU, SO YOU CAN HANG ON TO THAT IN CASE IT NEEDS TO BE FORWARDED TO MR. CARR. ANY OTHER COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS AROUND ITEM B?
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SEEING NONE.SORRY. OKAY, I MOVE, WE APPROVE CONSENT AGENDA ITEM B AS SUBMITTED BY STAFF.
YEAH. SO WE HAVE A VOTE OF FOUR OUT OF SIX OF US.
RIGHT. ONE, TWO OR OUT OF FIVE.
12345. YEAH, WE'RE REALLY SHORT TONIGHT.
OKAY, SO WE HAVE FOUR OUT OF FIVE MOTION CARRIES.
THANK YOU. LET'S MOVE TO ITEM ONE.
SO NOT POSSIBLE FOR ME TO VOTE FOR IT.
NOT NECESSARILY VOTING AGAINST IT.
[1. Public Hearing – Replat & Revised Site Plan: Willow Bend Polo Estates Phase B, Block B, Lot 9R – One Patio Home lot on 0.2 acre located at the southeast corner of Castle Gate Drive and Shaddock Boulevard. Zoned Planned Development-423-Patio Home. Projects #R2024-019 and #RSP2024-021. Applicant: First Federal Benefits, LLC. (Administrative consideration)]
ITEM ONE. PUBLIC HEARING ITEMS UNLESS INSTRUCTED OTHERWISE BY THE CHAIR SPEAKERS WILL BE CALLED IN ORDER REGISTRATIONS ARE RECEIVED.THE PRESIDING OFFICER MAY MODIFY THESE TIMES AS DEEMED NECESSARY.
ADMINISTRATIVE CONSIDERATION ITEMS MUST BE APPROVED IF THEY MEET CITY DEVELOPMENT REGULATIONS.
LEGISLATIVE CONSIDERATION ITEMS ARE MORE DISCRETIONARY EXCEPT AS CONSTRAINED BY LEGAL CONSIDERATION.
AGENDA NUMBER, ITEM NUMBER ONE PUBLIC HEARING REPLAT AND REVISED SITE PLAN WILLOW BEND POLO ESTATES.
PHASE B, BLOCK B, LOT 9R 1 PATIO HOME LOT ON 0.2 ACRE, LOCATED AT THE SOUTHEAST CORNER OF CASTLE GATE DRIVE AND SHADDOCK BOULEVARD, SO IN PLANNED DEVELOPMENT 423 PATIO HOME.
APPLICANT IS FIRST FEDERAL BENEFITS LLC AND THIS IS FOR ADMINISTRATIVE CONSIDERATION.
THANK YOU. GOOD EVENING COMMISSIONERS.
MY NAME IS DONNA SEPULVEDA, LEAD PLANNER WITH THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT.
THESE ITEMS ARE RECOMMENDED FOR APPROVAL AS SUBMITTED AND I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.
THANK YOU. ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF ON THIS ITEM? OKAY. SEEING NONE, I WILL OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING.
DO WE HAVE ANY SPEAKERS ON THIS ITEM? WE DO NOT HAVE ANY REGISTERED SPEAKERS ON THIS ITEM.
THANK YOU. I WILL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING CONFINE DISCUSSION TO THE COMMISSION.
DO YOU LIKE TO? NO, I WAS GOING TO MAKE THE SAME MOTION.
CHAIRMAN, I MOVE THAT WE APPROVE ITEM ONE AS SUBMITTED BY STAFF.
PLEASE VOTE. THAT ITEM CARRIES 5 TO 0.
[2. Public Hearing: Zoning Case 2024-011 – Request to amend Planned Development124-Neighborhood Office to modify the allowed uses and development standards on 7.1 acres located at the northeast corner of Independence Parkway and Regal Road. Project #ZC2024-011. Petitioner: Abbeygate Corporation. (Request to table to July 15, 2024)]
AGENDA ITEM NUMBER TWO.PUBLIC HEARING. ZONING CASE 2024-011.
REQUEST TO AMEND PLANNED DEVELOPMENT ONE TWO FOR NEIGHBORHOOD OFFICE TO MODIFY THE ALLOWED USES AND DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS ON 7.1 ACRES LOCATED AT THE NORTHEAST CORNER OF INDEPENDENCE PARKWAY AND REGAL ROAD.
APPLICANT IS ABBEYGATE CORPORATION.
HELLO, MY NAME IS DESTINY WOODS.
I'M A PLANNER WITH THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT.
THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING TO TABLE THIS ITEM TO THE JULY 15TH, 2024 MEETING.
AND THEY ARE WANTING TO TABLE THIS TO CONTINUE THEIR REVISIONS ON THE SITE PLAN.
IF YOU HAVE ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS, I'M HAPPY TO HELP.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH AND THANKS FOR LEANING INTO THE MICROPHONE.
THAT WORKED WELL. ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF ON THIS ITEM? MR. OLLEY.
ANY PARTICULAR REQUIREMENTS? I'M JUST TRYING TO GET A SENSE OF WHAT TO LOOK OUT FOR IN WHEN THEY RESUBMIT IN JULY 15TH.
IS THERE ANY PARTICULAR REQUIREMENTS THAT IS THE HANG UP? SO THERE WERE SOME IMPROVEMENTS MADE TO THE SITE THAT WERE NOT SHOWN ON THE SITE PLAN THAT CAME TO STAFF'S ATTENTION.
SO IT'S NOT THAT THEY'RE NOT ALLOWED, THEY JUST NEED TO BE SHOWN ON THE PLAN.
AND SO WE REQUIRED REVISIONS TO THE SITE PLAN TO GET THAT ALL ACCOUNTED FOR.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? ALL RIGHT. I'LL OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING.
DO WE HAVE ANY SPEAKERS ON THIS ITEM? THE APPLICANT IS HERE TO ADDRESS ANY QUESTIONS.
AND THEN WE HAVE ONE REGISTERED SPEAKER ON IT.
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YES, SIR. YOU'RE HERE FOR QUESTIONS? OKAY. AND THEN WE HAVE THE OTHER SPEAKER.WOULD YOU CALL THAT PERSON, PLEASE? YES. FRED LEAVITT.
I WANT TO THANK YOU ALL FOR YOUR TIME.
I LIVE AT 2633 KIMBERLY COURT.
I'M ADJACENT TO THIS PROJECT THAT'S BEEN GOING ON FOR MONTHS.
IT'S A ZONED O-1, WHICH IS A SINGLE STORY OFFICE COMPLEX.
AND THAT'S WHAT THERE WERE TEN OF THEM THERE.
THIS ONE BURNED DOWN ABOUT 20 YEARS AGO, LEAVING JUST THE FOUNDATION AND THE PARKING LOT.
THIS APPLICANT OR THIS ABBEYGATE HAS ALREADY DEVELOPED THIS PROPERTY.
THEY HAVE COVERED THE FOUNDATION, WHICH IS LEVEL WITH ASTROTURF.
THEY HAVE PUT A EIGHT FOOT IRON FENCE AROUND THE ENTIRE PROPERTY.
THERE'S ONLY ONE ENTRANCE INTO THE PROPERTY.
OUR CONCERNS ARE THAT, FIRST OF ALL, IT'S NOT A BUILDING.
AND THEY HAVE NO CITY WATER AND NO CITY SEWER.
THEIR PROPOSAL THAT I SAW SHOWS THEM TO HAVE A PORTA POTTY.
THE CITY CERTAINLY DOES NOT ALLOW PORTA POTTIES AS A PERMANENT STRUCTURE.
THE NOISE NUISANCE IS ALSO A BIG CONCERN OF OUR NEIGHBORHOOD.
IN THAT TEN DECIBELS, ANYTHING OVER TEN DECIBELS OVER NORMAL ENVIRONMENTAL IS A VIOLATION.
WELL, WHEN YOU HAVE COACHES WHISTLES AND PARTICIPANTS YELLING AND KICKING BALLS AGAINST THIS KICKER BOARD THAT THEY'VE GOT INSTALLED, THERE IS A BOARD ABOUT PLASTIC ABOUT THIS HIGH THAT ENCIRCLES THE ENTIRE FIELD.
THAT THEY'RE GOING TO BE KICKING AGAINST.
AND THAT'S GOING TO BE LIKE A BIG DRUM BEAT.
THE OTHER IS TRAFFIC AND PARKING.
THEIR INTENT IS TO TALK ABOUT HAVING PROFESSIONAL SOCCER PLAYERS DO THE TRAINING.
IT'S GOING TO HAVE A PRETTY BIG DRAW.
CERTAINLY IT'S A FOR PROFIT BUSINESS.
SO THEY'RE HOPING FOR A BIG DRAW.
THEY HAVE ONLY ONE ENTRANCE INTO THE PROPERTY, DORCHESTER AND MILL VALLEY, WHICH IS THE TWO STREETS THAT ADJOIN THIS HAVE NO PARKING AND NO STANDING. IT IS A FIRE TRUCK RIDE OF WAY.
THERE IS A HEALTH HAZARD CONCERN THAT WE HAVE THAT WITH THE ASTROTURF ON A LEVEL SURFACE.
AND THIS BOARDS AROUND THE OUTSIDE WILL CONTAIN ANY STANDING WATER.
OKAY. AND THE LIKE I SAID, ODOR WITH THE PORTAGE ON THERE, IT'S PROHIBITED UNDER ARTICLE 21, SECTION 6-7 14 A SO I ASK THAT YOU PLEASE DECLINE THEIR REQUEST.
IT IS NOT A ONE STORY OFFICE BUILDING FOR A QUIET NEIGHBORHOOD.
THIS IS SURROUNDED BY RESIDENTIAL.
THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR YOUR TIME.
DO WE HAVE ANY OTHER SPEAKERS ON THIS ITEM? NO. OKAY.
SO I'M GOING TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND CONFINE DISCUSSION OF THE COMMISSION.
OH. MR. CHAIRMAN, I THINK IN ALL FAIRNESS, WE SHOULD GIVE THE APPLICANT THE OPPORTUNITY TO COME BEFORE US AND ADDRESS THE MERITS OF THE APPLICATION, WHICH ARE NOT BEFORE US TONIGHT.
THE ONLY THING THAT'S BEFORE US TONIGHT IS THE POSTPONEMENT.
CORRECT. SO I WOULD BE IN FAVOR OF A POSTPONEMENT.
PLEASE VOTE. THAT ITEM CARRIES 5 TO 0.
CAN I HAVE A QUESTION, MR. CHAIRMAN? YES. SO I UNDERSTAND THAT WE'RE POSTPONING THIS CASE TO THE NEXT MEETING.
BUT I HEAR A VALID CONCERN FROM OUR CITIZENS.
I WONDER IF THIS CONCERN THAT'S EXPRESSED TODAY, WOULD IT BE CONSIDERED, OR CAN WE CONSIDER THIS WHEN WE REVIEW IT? OF COURSE. ABSOLUTELY.
WHETHER THOSE IN OPPOSITION SPEAK OR NOT, WE NOW HAVE THAT FEEDBACK.
SO YES, WE CAN ALWAYS TAKE THAT INTO CONSIDERATION.
MR. COMMISSIONER I AGAIN I DON'T I'M NEW TO THIS PROCESS AND SO I'M THE APPLICANT.
I UNDERSTAND. AND SO SO HANG ON, HANG ON.
THAT'S FINE. HANG ON, HANG ON, HANG ON, HANG ON.
FIRST, IF YOU WERE GOING TO SPEAK, YOU NEED TO BE UP THERE.
BUT I THINK IN ALL, FOR ALL OF OUR BENEFITS, IT'S BETTER TO ACTUALLY WAIT UNTIL WE HEAR.
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AND YOU HAVE THE CHANCE TO ALSO WRAP UP SOME OF THE CHANGES THAT NEED TO BE MADE SO THAT WHEN WE'RE GETTING IT, IT'S A CLEAN PRESENTATION.[3. Public Hearing: Zoning Case 2024-010 – Request to amend Specific Use Permits No. 550 for Day Care Center and No. 551 for Private School on 7.5 acres located at the southeast corner of Legacy Drive and Ohio Drive. Zoned Single-Family Residence-7. Project #ZC2024-010. Petitioner: Montessori New Beginnings Academy, Inc. (Legislative consideration)]
AGENDA. ITEM NUMBER THREE.PUBLIC HEARING ZONING CASE 2024-010.
LOCATED AT THE SOUTHEAST CORNER OF LEGACY DRIVE AND OHIO DRIVE ZONED SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENCE 7 PETITIONER IS MONTESSORI NEW BEGINNINGS ACADEMY, INCORPORATED AND THIS IS FOR ADMINISTRATIVE CONSIDERATION.
YOU CAN RAISE THAT UP SO YOU DON'T HAVE TO SQUAT DOWN.
JUST DON'T DO A DROP THE MIC MOMENT FOR US, RIGHT? RIGHT. ALL RIGHT.
MY NAME IS JOHN KIM, PLANNER WITH THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT.
THIS REQUEST IS TO AMEND SPECIFIC USE PERMITS S550 FOR DAYCARE AND S551 FOR PRIVATE SCHOOL.
THE PROPERTIES TO THE SOUTH AND EAST ARE ZONED SF7, WITH SCP 99 FOR DAYCARE CENTER AND DEVELOPMENT SINGLE FAMILY AND PROPERTIES TO THE NORTH ARE ZONED PD 281 AND SF7 AND SF9 DEVELOPED WITH SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENCE AND THEN PROPERTIES NORTH OF LEGACY AND WEST OF OHIO DRIVE ARE ZONED S468 FOR HEALTH AND FITNESS CENTER AND 02 AND DEVELOPED WITH A HEALTH AND FITNESS CENTER, HOTEL AND MEDICAL OFFICES.
S550 FOR A DAYCARE WAS INITIALLY APPROVED IN 2004 AND BEGAN OPERATIONS IN 2006.
IN 2018, THE DAYCARE CENTER WAS APPROVED FOR A TWO STORY EXPANSION.
AND IN 2019 S551 FOR PRIVATE SCHOOL WAS TEMPORARILY APPROVED.
THERE WAS A LIMIT ON THE NUMBER OF PRIVATE SCHOOL STUDENTS AT THE TIME IN 2020.
THE EXPIRATION OF S551 FOR PRIVATE SCHOOL WAS REMOVED.
AND NOW THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING TO AMEND S550 AND S551.
THIS CHANGE WILL HELP WITH GREATER FLEXIBILITY WITHIN THEIR PROGRAMS IF CHANGE BECOMES NECESSARY.
EXCUSE ME. THE LICENSE FOR CHILD CARE FROM THE STATE OF TEXAS RATES THE APPLICANT'S CAPACITY AT 629 STUDENTS, AND THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING TO ENROLL 60% OF THE ALLOWED CAPACITY TO ASSUAGE CONCERNS ABOUT NOISE, TRAFFIC AND DISTURBANCES.
S551 IS FOR THE PRIVATE SCHOOL, AND THEY'RE PROPOSING TO AMEND THE MAXIMUM NUMBER OF STUDENTS FROM 80 TO 360 AND THE TOTAL NUMBER FOR S550 AND S551.
THE COMBINED NUMBER OF DAYCARE CHILDREN AND PRIVATE SCHOOL STUDENTS MUST BE 360.
WHEN THE ADDITION OF 56 ALLOWED STUDENTS FOR THE SCHOOL, THERE IS AN ESTIMATED INCREASE OF 18%, OR 230 GENERATED DAILY TRIPS ENTERING AND EXITING THE SITE.
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TO HELP MITIGATE THE IMPACT ON THE TRAFFIC IN THE AREA, A DROP OFF AND PICKUP TIMES ARE STAGGERED TO REDUCE OR PREVENT TRAFFIC BACK UP ONTO LEGACY DRIVE OR OHIO DRIVE. OH, AND HERE ARE THE DROP OFF ROUTES HERE.AND THEN HERE ARE THE PICKUP ROUTES.
AND SO ONLY THE AFTERNOON PICKUP ROUTES USES THE BACK OF THE SCHOOL.
IN THE MORNING IT IS JUST THE FRONT ALONG LEGACY.
AND I WENT IN THE MORNING AND IN THE AFTERNOON DURING THE DROP OFF AND PICK UP WINDOWS.
AND SO THESE ARE PHOTOS FROM THE AFTERNOON WINDOW ON JUNE 12TH.
AND SO 3:00 IS ABOUT WHEN THEIR PICKUP TIME STARTS.
AND THEN IT GOES UNTIL ROUGHLY 3:25.
AND SO. AND ALL THE CARS PICTURED WERE THE TOTAL AMOUNT IN THE QUEUE AT THE TIME.
AND THEN BY 3:35 THERE WERE NO CARS IN THE QUEUE.
AND THEN I ALSO WENT TO THE BACK OF THE SCHOOL, AND 3:25 WAS WHENEVER THE BACK OF THE SCHOOL PICKUP STARTED, AND THREE BY 3:30 THERE WAS ONLY ONE CAR AT A TIME. AND THEN I WENT BACK TO THE FRONT.
AND THE APPLICANT DOES HAVE ADDITIONAL SLIDES WITH ADDITIONAL INFORMATION ON PICKUP AND DROP OFF.
THE SUBJECT PROPERTY IS DESIGNATED NEIGHBORHOODS ON THE FUTURE LAND USE MAP.
STAFF FINDS THE REQUEST CONSISTENT WITH THE DESCRIPTION OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD CATEGORY.
STAFF FINDS THE AMENDMENT CHANGES TO BE CONSISTENT WITH THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
WE RECEIVED ONE RESPONSE FOR THE PROPOSAL WITHIN THE SITE PROPERTY.
WITHIN 200FT, WE RECEIVED A TOTAL OF THREE SIGNED LETTERS ONE IN SUPPORT, TWO AGAINST.
AND IN TOTAL WE RECEIVED 92 UNIQUE RESPONSES.
THE PROPERTY OWNER IS REQUESTING TO AMEND SPECIFIC USE FOR SPECIFIC USE PERMITS 550 FOR DAYCARE CENTER AND 551 FOR PRIVATE SCHOOL, TO INCREASE THE ALLOWED MAXIMUM NUMBER OF CHILDREN AND STUDENTS ON SITE FROM 304 TO 360.
THE REQUEST IS CONFORMING WITH THE RECOMMENDATIONS OF THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
STAFF IS IN SUPPORT OF THE PROPOSED AMENDMENTS.
I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS AND BRIAN SHEWSKI FROM TRAFFIC IS ALSO AVAILABLE.
USUALLY I'M LOUD ENOUGH. IT DOESN'T MATTER.
SO AT LEAST I'VE BEEN TOLD THAT SO YOU TOOK THE PICTURES AT SUMMER SCHOOL? I THINK DURING THE SUMMER CORRECT? CORRECT. DO YOU ANTICIPATE THE TRAFFIC TO BE THE SAME DURING THE SCHOOL YEAR, OR DO YOU KNOW.
AND SO THE CURRENT ENROLLMENT RIGHT NOW IS 161 DURING THE SUMMER.
AND THEY DO HAVE ADDITIONAL PICTURES FROM THAT AS WELL.
SO YOU REFERENCED 161 STUDENTS.
WE'RE TALKING ABOUT 360 STUDENTS.
SEEMS LIKE THERE'D BE, YOU KNOW, OBVIOUSLY TWICE AS MANY CARS THERE.
ONE OF ONE OF MY QUESTIONS IS THIS.
HELP ME UNDERSTAND HOW YOU GET TO 4.1 TRIPS PER STUDENT.
IS THAT DAILY? SO THAT IS ESTIMATED BY THE INTERNATIONAL TRANSPORTATION ENGINEERS IT'S ITE THAT MIGHT NOT BE THE CORRECT ABBREVIATION, BUT THAT IS THEIR ESTIMATE BASED ON THE USE.
AND SO FOR THE DAYCARE, IT'S AT 4.10 ESTIMATED DAILY TRIPS CREATED.
AND THEN FOR PRIVATE SCHOOL K THROUGH EIGHT IS 4.11.
AND SO THAT'S WHAT THE ESTIMATES ARE BASED OFF OF.
I'M TRYING TO UNDERSTAND THE MATH BECAUSE IT'S NOT LOGICAL TO ME.
SO SO DOES ANYBODY MAYBE THE APPLICANT WOULD BE BETTER TO ASK THIS, BUT IT SEEMS. PARDON I APOLOGIZE TO INTERRUPT EACH TRIP IS A TRIP IS TO THE LOCATION.
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ANOTHER TRIP IS OUT.YES. WELL, YEAH, THAT'S STILL THOUGH.
WELL, I GUESS 740 ENTERING OR EXITING.
IF YOU HAD ONE VEHICLE PER STUDENT, THAT'S 720 TRIPS.
UNLESS SOMEBODY'S MAKING MORE THAN ONE TRIP TO DROP OFF AND MORE THAN ONE TRIP TO PICK UP, WHICH COULD BE POSSIBLE, I GUESS IF THEY HAD ONE CHILD IN DAYCARE AND ANOTHER IN ELEMENTARY, THAT COULD HAVE DIFFERENT DROP OFF AND PICK UP TIMES.
STAFF. I DIDN'T THINK ABOUT THAT.
OKAY. WELL, THANK YOU VERY MUCH, JOHN.
OF COURSE. OTHER QUESTIONS FOR STAFF ON THIS.
MR. OLLEY. I REMEMBERED HIS MIKE.
YEAH. THE 629 STUDENT CAPACITY BY THE TEXAS DEPARTMENT.
HOW IS THAT CALCULATED? IS THAT PRICE PER SQUARE FOOT RATE RATIO, OR HOW DO THEY GET TO 629? SO THAT MAY BE A BETTER QUESTION FOR THE APPLICANT.
I KNOW THAT IS WHAT THEY WERE RATED.
BUT I CAN CERTAINLY FIGURE OUT AS WELL.
OKAY. YEAH. BECAUSE THAT LEADS TO MY NEXT QUESTION.
THERE'S A DAYCARE SUP IN ONE OF THE ZONES IN NEXT DOOR.
DO WE KNOW WHAT THE CAPACITY OF THAT DAYCARE IS? I THINK RIGHT NOW, AS I UNDERSTAND THAT THAT DAYCARE ISN'T OPEN CURRENTLY.
SO I DON'T THINK THERE IS A CAPACITY FOR THAT AT THE MOMENT.
SO IT'S NOT GENERATING TRAFFIC.
WELL, THE APPLICANT MAY SPEAK TO THIS LATER, BUT I WAS ON P&Z WHEN THEY FIRST CAME THROUGH FOR THIS, AND THE ORIGINAL PLAN OR DISCUSSION WAS AROUND 480 TOTAL STUDENTS, BECAUSE IN THEIR PLAN WAS THE ACQUISITION OF THAT PROPERTY NEXT DOOR, WHICH COULD HOLD UP TO 120.
AND SO NOW THEY'RE ASKING FOR 360 HERE, PLUS THE POTENTIAL 120 THERE IS THE 480, WHICH WAS AGAIN THEIR ORIGINAL PLAN BACK WHEN THEY FIRST OPENED THE SCHOOL.
WHICH IS A PERFECT TEE UP FOR MY LAST QUESTION, WHICH MIGHT BE EITHER TO MIKE OR MICHELLE.
IT ALMOST FEELS LIKE WE'RE PUTTING A STIPULATION ON OPERATIONS, AND I'M NOT SURE I'M A LITTLE BIT CONFUSED IF THAT'S SOMETHING WE ARE ABLE TO DO IN WITHIN OUR PURVIEW.
I THINK IN THIS PARTICULAR SITUATION, BECAUSE THE NUMBER OF STUDENTS COMING IN AFFECTS THE NUMBERS OF TRIPS GENERATED, AND THAT'S VERY MUCH A LAND USE CONSIDERATION.
IT SOUNDS LIKE OPERATIONS, BUT I THINK IT REALLY IS JUST A LAND USE CONTROL STATED IN A WAY THAT'S EASY FOR PEOPLE TO UNDERSTAND AND FOLLOW.
OKAY, SO THAT'S GOOD CONTEXT BECAUSE THEN I CAN USE THE GUARDRAILS OF TRAFFIC, UTILITY CAPACITY, WHAT HAVE YOU TO ALMOST PUT THE BAND AROUND THE STIPULATIONS EVEN THOUGH IT AFFECTS OPERATIONS.
THANK YOU. WE WILL OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING AND THE APPLICANT WOULD LIKE TO ADDRESS THIS.
DIFFERENT APPLICANT THAN WE'VE HAD BEFORE.
DIFFERENT REPRESENTATIVE. ANYWAY.
I AM A VOLUNTEER ON THE BOARD FOR ARCHGATE, ALSO KNOWN AS MONTESSORI NEW BEGINNINGS.
WOW. I HAVE TWO STUDENTS THERE RIGHT NOW, ONE GOING INTO FIRST GRADE, ONE GOING INTO FIFTH GRADE.
SO WE HAVE REALLY DEEP TIES WITH THE SCHOOL AND WE CARE A LOT ABOUT IT.
WE ALSO CARE ABOUT THE NEIGHBORHOOD, AND I UNDERSTAND THE QUESTIONS AROUND THE TRAFFIC.
AND WE WANT TO BE A GOOD NEIGHBOR.
AND SO WE BROUGHT A DECK TO KIND OF CONVEY A LITTLE BIT MORE DETAIL AROUND THE TRAFFIC PATTERNS, THE STACKING, AND HOW WE MITIGATE THE VOLUME OF FAMILIES COMING IN AND OUT OF THE SCHOOL TO NOT BE A BURDEN TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
I DON'T KNOW HOW TO CONTROL THE SLIDES, THOUGH.
CAN SOMEONE DO THAT FOR US OR.
OH, THERE'S A CLICKER RIGHT THERE.
I JUST OKAY, WE'LL SEE HOW IT GOES.
THERE WE GO. OKAY, SO HERE'S A LITTLE INFORMATION ABOUT US.
WE ARE CURRENTLY SERVING STUDENTS 16 MONTHS TO 14 YEARS, AND WE ARE A NONPROFIT ORGANIZATION.
SO WHAT IT BOILS DOWN TO FOR US IS THAT WE HAVE 15 CLASSROOMS IN OUR BUILDINGS, RIGHT?
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THE 629 THAT YOU REFERRED TO EARLIER, THAT ONLY INCLUDES THE FIRST FLOOR OF THE NEW BUILDING AND THE FIRST FLOOR OF THE OLD BUILDING, WHICH IS ONLY ONE STORY.WE ALSO HAVE ADDITIONAL CLASSROOMS THAT ARE ON THE TOP FLOOR, WHICH CAN ONLY HAVE OLDER CHILDREN.
SO RIGHT NOW, BECAUSE WE ONLY HAVE 15 CLASSROOMS AND WE HAVE DIFFERENT RATIOS FOR EACH OF OUR PROGRAMS, IT'S RESTRICTIVE TO HAVE THE CAP ON THE PRIVATE SCHOOL AND THE TOTAL NUMBER OF STUDENTS WHEN THEY DON'T REALLY ALIGN WITH OUR PROGRAM COUNTS.
SO, FOR EXAMPLE, OUR TODDLER PROGRAM IS FROM 16 MONTHS TO THREE YEARS OLD.
THOSE ARE OUR BIGGEST CLASSROOMS. SO THOSE WOULD SOMETIMES BE CONSIDERED DAYCARE.
THAT WOULD BE YOUR THREE YEAR OLDS TO YOUR KINDERGARTEN.
AND WE TYPICALLY ALLOW 22 TO 24 STUDENTS IN THOSE CLASSROOMS. THEN IN OUR LOWER ELEMENTARY, FIRST THROUGH THIRD GRADE, THOSE ARE 20 TO 22 STUDENTS PER CLASSROOM.
AND THEN WE START GETTING BACK TO SMALLER RATIOS IN OUR UPPER PROGRAMS. SO UPPER ELEMENTARY, FOURTH THROUGH SIXTH GRADE IS ONLY 18 TO 20 PER CLASSROOM.
AND MIDDLE SCHOOL IS ONLY 15 TO 18 PER CLASSROOM.
SO THE PROBLEM WITH OUR CURRENT ACCOMMODATIONS THAT WE MADE IN ORDER TO BE A GOOD NEIGHBOR IS THAT WE DON'T HAVE A LOT OF FLEXIBILITY ON WHAT WE CAN USE OUR CLASSROOMS FOR.
FOR EXAMPLE, IF WE HAD ALL PRIMARY CLASSROOMS, WE COULD HAVE 360 STUDENTS AND WE WOULD HAVE THE APPROPRIATE RATIOS PER CLASSROOM AND WE WOULD HAVE THE MOST VOLUME OF TRAFFIC. RIGHT.
SO BY DIVERSIFYING THOSE CLASSROOMS AND GIVING US A LITTLE BIT MORE FLEXIBILITY AND SOME OF THOSE PROGRAMS THAT HAVE LOWER RATIOS, WE'RE SOLVING THE PROBLEM FOR THE NEIGHBORHOOD. BUT WE NEED TO HAVE THE FLEXIBILITY TO RUN OUR PROGRAMS IN THE WAY THAT SUITS OUR STUDENT POPULATION AND OUR FAMILIES.
I KNOW EARLIER WE REFERENCED, YOU KNOW, ONE CAR PER STUDENT.
THAT'S NOT THE CASE AT OUR SCHOOL.
I MEAN, ONE OF OUR PARENTS HERE HAS THREE CHILDREN THERE.
I HAVE TWO CHILDREN THERE. SO WE REALLY DON'T HAVE ONE CAR PER STUDENT.
SO CAN YOU MOVE THAT FORWARD FOR.
THERE WE GO. SO THESE ARE PHOTOS FROM DURING THE SCHOOL YEAR.
SO THIS IS OUR MAX CAPACITY LINE IN THE FRONT.
THIS LINE WOULD BE THE DROP OFF FOR OUR PRIMARY PROGRAM WHICH HAS THE HIGHEST VOLUME OF STUDENTS.
THIS WOULD BE IN THE MORNING AND AT THE EVENING OR I'M SORRY, IN THE AFTERNOON AT LIKE 3:00 TO 3:25.
AND OUR LINE NEVER BACKS UP ONTO LEGACY.
THIS IS THE SUMMER PROGRAM AGAIN.
WE HAVE LIMITED ATTENDANCE DURING OUR SUMMER PROGRAM, BUT YOU CAN SEE IN THE PICTURES THAT JOHN TOOK AND THE PICTURES THAT WE TOOK, THERE'S LITERALLY ONE CAR DURING SOME OF THE DROP OFF TIMES.
SO AT HALF CAPACITY THERE'S NO LINE AT ALL.
SO TRAFFIC MANAGEMENT, LET'S GET INTO THESE DETAILS BECAUSE I KNOW THEY'RE IMPORTANT.
THERE ARE THREE DIFFERENT TRAFFIC PATHS AND THERE ARE STAGGERED DROP OFF AND PICKUP WINDOWS.
SO THE DROP OFF WINDOW IS FROM 7 A.M.
SO WE HAVE A CHUNK OF FAMILIES THAT DO THAT.
THEN YOU HAVE YOUR UPPER SCHOOL PROGRAM.
SO THAT WOULD BE LOWER ELEMENTARY, UPPER ELEMENTARY AND MIDDLE SCHOOL.
AND THOSE DROP OFFS ARE FROM 8:00 UNTIL 8:25.
THAT LINE, THE BLUE LINE IS WHERE THE DROP OFF IS FOR THAT ELEMENTARY PROGRAM.
SO IT'S ALL THE WAY TOWARDS THE FRONT OF THE NEW BUILDING.
THEN WE HAVE THE PRIMARY SCHOOL AND TODDLER DROP OFF.
THAT WOULD BE THE YELLOW LINE IN THIS GRAPH, AND THAT'S A LITTLE BIT FURTHER BACK.
AGAIN, WE ENCOURAGE FAMILY DROP OFFS.
SO THIS IS AGAIN THE PRIVATE SCHOOL DROP OFF.
YOU CAN SEE THE DIFFERENT POINTS ON THE QUEUE.
THOSE ARE SEVEN CAR ACTIVE QUEUE MANNED DROP OFF COORDINATORS.
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AND SO THAT EXPEDITES THAT QUEUE.SO WE HAVE 1081FT COMING ALONG THAT LINE.
AND SO IT ALLOWS FOR A MAXIMUM CAPACITY OF 54 CARS AT ANY GIVEN TIME.
BUT AGAIN, THAT LINE IS CONSTANTLY MOVING.
TODDLER AND PRIMARY DROP OFF IS FROM 8:30 TO 8:45.
SO THEN WE GET INTO THE PICKUP SCHEDULE.
WE DO HAVE A HANDFUL OF STUDENTS THAT ARE PICKED UP AROUND NOON.
BUT THE MAJORITY OF THEM ARE PICKED UP BETWEEN 3:00 AND 3:20 OR DURING OUR AFTERCARE WINDOW.
WE HAVE ANOTHER EIGHT CAR ACTIVE QUEUE, AND WE HAVE THE 929FT FOR 46 CARS.
AND WE HAVE BELOW THAT AT THIS POINT.
PRIVATE SCHOOL PICKUP HAS A REALLY LONG ROUTE.
IT GOES ALL THE WAY AROUND THE BUILDING AND ALONG THE BACK.
SO THE 1464FT ALLOWS FOR 73 CARS AT ANY GIVEN TIME.
WE HAVE NOWHERE NEAR THAT FOR THIS WINDOW.
OKAY. SO THEN WE HAVE OUR STACKED PICKUP MAP.
WE DO HAVE A LITTLE BIT OF OVERLAP.
ALL OF THOSE ARE 24 TO 33FT WIDE.
SO IT ALLOWS FOR TWO LANES AT ANY POINT.
SO YOU HAVE TWO LANES AT THE TOP AND DOWN AT THE BOTTOM.
YOU HAVE ROOM FOR INGRESS AND EGRESS.
AND THEN THIS IS OUR BIGGEST WINDOW OUR AFTERCARE PICKUP.
SO THIS ONE IS A 2.5 HOUR WINDOW.
IT'S THAT SAME ONE AS THE PRIMARY DROP OFF AND PICKUP.
AND 50 OF OUR 153 TOTAL PICKUPS OCCUR DURING THIS 2.5 HOUR WINDOW.
SO HOPEFULLY THAT WAS HELPFUL.
AND IF YOU HAVE ANY OTHER TRAFFIC QUESTIONS, FEEL FREE TO ASK.
I CAN KEEP GOING THROUGH OUR DECK.
WE KNOW IT'S VERY IMPORTANT TO BE A GOOD NEIGHBOR TO THEM.
SO WE'VE HOSTED SEVERAL OPEN HOUSE MEETINGS AND INVITED THEM TO WE HAVE SENT OUT OUTBOUND EMAILS, WE HAVE MAILED LETTERS, AND WE'VE HAD COMMUNICATIONS WITH THE HOMEOWNERS ASSOCIATION.
WE HAVE DATES OF ALL OF THOSE AND DETAILS OF ALL OF THE OUTREACH ATTEMPTS HERE.
WE ARE A CERTIFIED GREEN BUSINESS.
ON EARTH DAY. WE CLEAN UP THAT WHOLE CREEK.
OUR KIDS LOVE IT. THE FAMILIES LOVE IT.
WE PULL UP DOZENS AND DOZENS OF BAGS OF TRASH THAT HAS COME DOWN FROM UPSTREAM.
SO WE WANT TO GIVE BACK TO THAT NEIGHBORHOOD.
WE'RE A REGISTERED MONARCH WAY STATION.
IF YOU'VE BEEN THERE, IT'S BEAUTIFUL.
THE OUTDOOR LEARNING SPACE IS UNPARALLELED.
WE HOST SEVERAL PHILANTHROPIC ACTIVITIES DURING THE YEAR.
WE HOST CLOTHING AND BOOK SWAPS TO TRY TO REDUCE WASTE AND ENCOURAGE REUSE.
WE WANT TO BE A VALUED PARTNER TO OUR NEIGHBORHOOD AND TO THE CITY OF PLANO.
WE HAVE A LOT OF CREDENTIALS AT THE SCHOOL.
WE'VE BEEN AROUND SINCE 1986 AND WE HAVE SEVERAL CERTIFICATIONS.
WE'RE A TEXAS RISING STAR CERTIFIED SCHOOL.
WE HAVE 26 AMS AND AMI CERTIFIED INSTRUCTORS.
WE HAVE TWO MASTER GARDENER MASTER NATURALISTS, WE HAVE FOUR [INAUDIBLE] CERTIFIED INSTRUCTORS, AND WE HAVE ONE TEXAS SPECIAL EDUCATION CERTIFIED INSTRUCTOR. WE HAVE OUR STAFF ON COMMITTEES ALL OVER THE AMERICAN MONTESSORI BOARDS.
WE INCLUDED SOME TESTIMONIALS.
I WON'T READ THROUGH THEM, BUT THEY ARE REALLY GREAT.
AND ONE OF THEM FROM ONE OF OUR FAMILIES, THEY FOUND OUR SCHOOL FIRST, AND THEN THEY BOUGHT THEIR HOUSE IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD AFTER BECAUSE THEY WANTED TO BE CLOSE TO THE SCHOOL AND THEY WERE MOVING HERE INTERNATIONALLY.
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AND IT'S REALLY SWEET.SO THIS ONE BY HAYDAR OVER ON THE RIGHT IS IT'S MY FAVORITE TESTIMONIAL.
IT'S JUST AN EMAIL THAT HE SENT.
BUT WHEN THEY MOVED TO THE US, ARCHGATE BECAME THEIR SECOND HOME.
AND WE'RE JUST, THERE ARE A LOT OF STORIES LIKE THAT.
AND WE WANT TO KEEP PROVIDING THAT KIND OF RELATIONSHIP TO OUR FAMILIES.
YOU'RE WELCOME. [LAUGHTER] THANK YOU.
SO THE PROCESS NOW IS WE'RE GOING TO HAVE ANY OTHER SPEAKERS THAT ARE REGISTERED COME UP.
AND THEN IF THERE ARE QUESTIONS THAT COME OUT OF THAT, WE CAN HAVE YOU COME BACK.
ALL RIGHT. DO WE HAVE OTHER SPEAKERS ON THIS ITEM? YES WE DO. REBECCA BERNARD IS REGISTERED.
IF THAT'S OKAY. THERE ARE NO OTHER REGISTERED SPEAKERS.
WELL, THEN, LET ME ASK, DOES ANYONE HAVE A QUESTION FOR THE APPLICANT? MR. CARY AND MR. OLLEY DO SO..
ALL RIGHT. WE'LL START WITH COMMISSIONER OLLEY.
CAN YOU GO BACK TO THE SLIDE THAT SHOWED THE CARS OR WHAT HAVE YOU? I JUST WANT TO ORIENT MYSELF.
HOLD ON HERE. WERE THOSE CARS AS YOU'RE GOING BACK? WAS THAT THE PRIVATE SCHOOL ENTRANCE? WAS THAT. SO YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THE ACTUAL IMAGES OF THE DROPOFFS.
THAT WOULD ALSO BE THE AFTERCARE PICKUP.
AND SO THAT IS THE ENTRANCE TO THE FIRST BUILDING ON THE SITE.
AND WHERE YOU SEE THAT TRIANGLE THAT'S THE MAIN DOOR.
OKAY. CAN YOU GO BACK ONE MORE? THERE WAS ONE THAT SEEMED TO SHOW THE CARS WRAP AROUND.
OKAY, OKAY. SO WHERE THAT YOU DON'T KNOW? YEAH. THIS ONE, THIS IS OKAY.
SO, YES, THAT IS THE QUEUE FOR THE PRIMARY AND TODDLER DROP OFF.
SO MY I GUESS MY QUESTION IS, THIS IS AUGUST 29TH.
OH. NO, NO, THIS IS DURING THE SCHOOL YEAR.
YEAH. IF WE YOU'RE ASKING FOR AN INCREASED CAPACITY OF ABOUT 20% OR 18, IF I WANT TO BE EXACT.
HOW MUCH MORE ROOM DO WE HAVE IF WE ADD JUST ROUGH MATH? ANOTHER 20% OF THE CARS THAT I CAN SEE RIGHT NOW.
HOW MUCH MORE ROOM DO WE HAVE BEFORE WE ARE IN LEGACY? FAST FORWARD TO THE MAP AND I'LL SHOW YOU WHERE THAT LINE ENDS IN THE PICTURE ON THE LEFT.
ALL RIGHT. DO YOU SEE IN THIS MAP AT THE TOP LEFT CORNER, THERE'S THE RIGHT ANGLE.
AND THEN YOU GO BACK AND THERE'S A LITTLE PIECE OF CONCRETE THAT'S KIND OF LIKE A SQUARE AT THE TOP.
YEP. THAT'S WHERE THAT CAR IS.
SO, OKAY, I WOULD SAY IT'S MORE THAN 20% LEFT.
THE. THERE WAS A COMMENT MADE THAT THE SUP FOR DAYCARE ON THE ADJOINING.
DO YOU OWN THAT? IS THERE A PLAN FOR THAT OR.
THIS IS SEPARATE AND WE DO NOT OWN IT.
IT'S JUST A VACANT BUILDING THAT HAPPENS TO USED TO BE A MONTESSORI SCHOOL.
YOU REFERENCED 153 PICKUPS, AND I THINK THE NUMBER WAS 50 HAPPEN IN THE KIND OF LATER HOURS.
RIGHT. BUT MY QUESTION IS THIS HOW MANY STUDENTS DOES 153 PICKUPS REPRESENT, ROUGHLY I BELIEVE.
254. I KNEW SHE'D KNOW THE EXACT NUMBER.
OKAY. AND SO AT CAPACITY, THEN YOU'RE GOING TO BE ADDING ROUGHLY 30% TO THAT, RIGHT? NOT 20%. POTENTIALLY.
DO YOU ALLOW ANY OUTSIDE USE OF YOUR FACILITY? YOU HAVE A GREAT FACILITY HERE.
DO YOU RENT IT OUT? DOES ANY DO ANY OUTSIDE GROUPS USE IT AT ALL? WE DO HAVE A GREAT FACILITY.
WE WOULDN'T WANT TO BE DISRUPTIVE TO THE PEOPLE THAT LIVE ADJACENT TO US.
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OKAY. GREAT. THANK YOU.AND SO I WANT TO GIVE YOU AN OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK TO THOSE NEIGHBORS THAT SAY THAT THIS ISN'T WHAT WAS AGREED TO, AND THEY FEEL LIKE YOU'RE CHANGING THE DEAL THAT THEY AGREED TO BEFORE.
AND I'M CURIOUS HOW YOU WOULD RESPOND TO THAT.
SO WHEN WE TALK ABOUT WHAT THE ORIGINAL AGREEMENT WE MADE WAS, IS IT THE 1 IN 2004 THAT THEY'RE REFERRING TO, OR THE 1 IN 2020? THERE HAVE BEEN MULTIPLE AGREEMENTS.
PERFECT. THANK YOU. OF COURSE.
THANK YOU FOR LETTING ME SPEAK, REBECCA BERNARD.
I AM A RESIDENT OF PLANO FOR 24 YEARS, AND I'M THE HEAD OF SCHOOL AT ARCHGATE MONTESSORI ACADEMY.
IN 2004, OUR NEIGHBORS MET WITH MNBA AND SUPPORTED A BUILDING THAT WOULD EVENTUALLY BE BUILT TO 48,500FT² AND HAVE UP TO 550 STUDENTS IN DAYCARE, WHICH IS AGES 0 TO 14.
OUR BUILDINGS ARE LESS, THEY'RE 47, A LITTLE BIT LESS THAN 47,000FT², AND WE PROPOSE 360 STUDENTS UP TO AGE 14. AT THE TIME, 2004.
THE LETTERS. THE STATEMENTS THAT ARE INCLUDED IN THE SUP RECORDS WITH THE CITY OF PLANO.
THE DAY CARE LANGUAGE WAS STATED AS A FACILITY PROVIDING CARE, TRAINING, EDUCATION, CUSTODY, TREATMENT OR SUPERVISION FOR 13 OR MORE CHILDREN FOR LESS THAN 24 HOURS A DAY.
THERE ARE THREE LETTERS OF NON-SUPPORT THAT ARE INCLUDED IN THAT 2004 PACKET.
A PRIVATE SCHOOL IS CONSIDERED UNDER THE SPONSORSHIP OF A PRIVATE PRIVATE AGENCY OR CORPORATION OTHER THAN PUBLIC OR RELIGIOUS AGENCY, HAVING A CURRICULUM GENERAL EQUIVALENT TO PUBLIC ELEMENTARY OR SECONDARY CURRICULUM.
SCHOOL. AS A DAYCARE, THOUGH WE ARE LICENSED FOR STUDENTS FROM INFANCY THROUGH AGE 14.
FOR EVERY MOMENT OF THEIR TIME WITH US, WHEN THEY ARRIVE IN THE MORNING AND THEY WALK DOWN THE HALLWAY WITH THEIR TEACHERS, SOME OF THEM ARE HERE TODAY, MOSTLY WEARING WHITE. IT'S AN ENGAGING LEARNING ENVIRONMENT FOR THEM FROM THE MOMENT THEY ARRIVE THROUGH RECESS, THROUGH THEIR LESSONS IN THE CLASSROOM. THE AGES OF LICENSED DAYCARE IN TEXAS INCLUDE UP TO 14 YEARS.
OKAY. SO SO IT WAS THE 550 STUDENTS.
OKAY. I JUST WANT TO GET MAKE SURE WE'RE GETTING TO THE THE ANSWER TO HIS SPECIFIC QUESTION.
AND IS SHE GETTING THERE BECAUSE IT'S MORE ABOUT WHAT THE SCHOOL IS DOING VERSUS HOW DID WE GET FROM A, EVIDENTLY AN AGREEMENT TO SITUATIONS WHERE THE NEIGHBORS GO, NO, THEY'RE ABSOLUTELY VIOLATING OUR AGREEMENT.
AND THAT'S WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO GET TO.
AND I HAVE THE BENEFIT OF HAVING SAT THROUGH THE ORIGINAL.
DISCUSSIONS WHEN THERE WAS THIS ROOM WOULD HAVE BEEN FULL OF PEOPLE, NEIGHBORS AND SUPPORTERS.
SO BUT I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE YOU'RE GETTING YOUR QUESTION ANSWERED.
YEAH, I THINK WE'RE GETTING CLOSE.
AND I THINK THERE'S SOME MISUNDERSTANDINGS.
AND WHEN THAT WAS DISCOVERED, THAT BROKE THAT BOND OF TRUST.
THAT WAS WHAT CAME OUT OF ALL OF THE DIALOG THAT TOOK PLACE IN 2018.
AND SO, I MEAN, I THINK IT'S INTERESTING TO ME THAT WE WIND UP HERE TODAY AND WE HAVE SOME LETTERS.
WE DON'T HAVE 15 OR 20 NEIGHBORS HERE SPEAKING ABOUT, YOU KNOW, YEAH, I AGREE WITH YOU, DAVID.
AND, YOU KNOW, THOSE PEOPLE THAT DID WRITE TOOK THE TIME TO WRITE LETTERS.
I WANTED TO GIVE A CHANCE TO RESPOND TO THEM.
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BUT REGARDLESS, I WANTED TO GIVE A CHANCE TO TALK TO THAT.SO I THINK, YOU KNOW, YOU LARGELY HAVE ANSWERED KIND OF WHAT I'M AFTER.
SO THANK YOU VERY MUCH, LADIES.
SO YOU MENTIONED THE OUTREACH YOU DID IN THIS IN PREPARATION FOR THIS CURRENT APPLICATION.
WHAT WERE THE RESULTS OF THAT? HOW MANY PEOPLE WILL ATTEND IT? SURE. WE HAD VERY LITTLE RESPONSE.
THERE WERE SOME IMMEDIATE EMAIL RESPONSES AND ONE PHONE CALL.
SO ANY TIME A NEIGHBOR HAS BROUGHT ANYTHING TO US, WE HAVE RESPONDED, FOUND A SOLUTION TO MITIGATE WHATEVER THE PROBLEM WAS THAT THEY WERE HAVING AND FIX THAT AND CORRECT IT.
THE REASON WE ARE BACK HERE IS WE AGREED FIVE YEARS AGO THAT WE WOULD PUT WE WOULD AGREE TO THESE RESTRICTIONS ON OUR BUSINESS PLAN AND PROVE OURSELVES RIGHT, THAT THE TRAFFIC WOULDN'T GO ON TO LEGACY AND WOULDN'T GO ON TO OHIO, AND THAT WE WOULDN'T BE NOISY AND WE WOULDN'T HAVE LIGHTS THAT EXTENDED BEYOND OUR PROPERTY LINE. THOSE WERE THE MAIN CONCERNS NOISE, LIGHTS, TRAFFIC.
AND SO WE SET A FIVE YEAR PLAN.
AND HERE WE ARE FIVE YEARS LATER TO SAY, I THINK WE'VE BEEN A GOOD NEIGHBOR.
I RECEIVED TWO EMAILS THAT SAID WE DO NOT SUPPORT THE ASK, BUT THANK YOU FOR TELLING US AHEAD OF TIME, WHICH DID STATE ANY REASON WHY THEY DIDN'T GIVE A REASON WHY.
ONE NEIGHBOR RESPONDED AGAIN THAT SHE FELT LIKE LIGHTS WERE ON TOO LATE.
SO THE ORIGINAL AGREEMENT WAS 9 P.M..
WE WOULD NOT HAVE ANY LIGHTS ON THE EASTERN SIDE OF OUR BUILDING.
AND AND NOW SHE'S UPSET THAT BETWEEN 6 AND 9, MORE FREQUENTLY THAN SHE HAD EXPECTED, THERE ARE LIGHTS ON IN THAT ROOM.
SO THAT WAS INSTALLED THIS SUMMER AND HOPEFULLY THAT THAT FIXES THAT FOR HER.
THAT'S [INAUDIBLE]. THANK YOU.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU SO MUCH.
ALL RIGHT, I'M GOING TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING.
YES. JUST FROM MY OWN EXPERIENCE.
AND WE HAD ALL THE DISCUSSIONS AGAIN.
AND WHAT'S, YOU KNOW, IT'S UNFORTUNATE THAT WHAT TOOK PLACE BROKE THE TRUST.
AND I WAS HOPEFUL THAT SOMEHOW THAT WOULD GET.
YOU KNOW, AMELIORATED OVER SOME TIME.
BUT EVIDENTLY THERE'S, THERE'S 2 OR 3 THAT IT HASN'T.
BUT WHAT STRUCK ME WITH THIS REQUEST IS THAT IT'S EXACTLY CONSISTENT WITH WHAT THEY SHOWED US AS THEIR PLAN IN ALL THE WAY BACK TO 2004, IN TERMS OF NUMBERS OF STUDENTS, WHICH WAS EVEN LESS THAN WHAT COULD HAVE BEEN ALLOWED UNDER LAW AND UNDER LAND USE.
AND SO THERE WAS IT WAS A LITTLE BIT INTERESTING THAT I REMEMBER ON P&Z THAT WHEN WE LEARNED THAT DAYCARE WAS ALL THE WAY UP TO AGE 14, YOU WON'T YOU DON'T THINK OF DAYCARE AS BEING ALL THE WAY TO AGE 14.
SO IT WAS KIND OF LIKE, WHY WOULD YOU SAY YOU CAN HAVE THEM IN A DAYCARE AT AGE 14, BUT YOU CAN'T EDUCATE THEM TO AGE 14? IT JUST DIDN'T MAKE A LOT OF SENSE.
AND THAT WOULD HAVE HELD 120, WHICH WAS 480 TOTAL STUDENTS, INCLUDING DAYCARE.
SO ANYWAY, AGAIN, I THINK THEY'VE BEEN A GOOD NEIGHBOR.
AND I'VE HEARD SOME COMMENTS ANCILLARY ABOUT, YOU KNOW, THE QUALITY OF EDUCATION.
SO I HAVE NO ISSUES WITH THAT.
MR. CARY. ALL GOOD COMMENTS FROM EVERYTHING I KNOW.
DAVID. YOU KNOW, THE FACT THAT THEY THEIR DEMAND IS INCREASING TO ME JUMPS OUT BECAUSE WE SIT HERE ON THIS COMMISSION AND FREQUENTLY WE'VE TALKED ABOUT DECLINING ENROLLMENT IN OUR PLANO ISD SCHOOLS AND POSSIBLY, THESE GUYS ARE RESPONSIBLE FOR SOME OF THAT, BUT PROBABLY.
I HAVE A COMMENT LARGELY ECHOING COMMISSIONER CARY.
AND THIS FITS WITH WHAT WE TRY AND DO, ESPECIALLY WITH THE GUIDING PRINCIPLES AS PLANO MOVES.
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IF YOU THINK OF THE FUTURE GROWTH WE'RE TRYING TO ACCOMMODATE FROM AN INFRASTRUCTURE CAPACITY PERSPECTIVE, CHILD CARE IS FOUNDATIONAL TO MAKING THIS A LIVABLE, WORKABLE, WORKABLE COMMUNITY.NOW, IF YOU PULL BACK TO THE GUARDRAILS THAT I WAS TRYING TO UNDERSTAND, ALL OF THE LAND USE GUARDRAILS ACTUALLY GIVES THEM ROOM FOR A LOT MORE CAPACITY THAN THIS. AND I WOULD TRUST THE ENGINEERING AND TRAFFIC STAFF WHO HAVE BASICALLY SIGNED OFF ON THIS.
YOU'RE GOING TO. IS THAT A SECOND THE MOTION? I WILL SECOND THAT GLADLY.
ANY OTHER DISCUSSION, MR. BROUNOFF? THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN. FIRST OF ALL, I AGREE WITH ALL THE COMMENTS THAT HAVE BEEN MADE SO FAR.
IT'S OBVIOUS TO ME THAT THEY HAVE THEY HAVE EFFECTIVELY DEALT WITH THE TRAFFIC ISSUE.
THEY HAVE EFFECTIVELY DEALT WITH THE LIGHT ISSUE.
WE HAVE SCHOOLS LOCATED IN RESIDENTIAL DISTRICTS ALL OVER THE CITY.
THE ELEMENTARY SCHOOLS IN PARTICULAR ARE ALMOST ALL IN IN RESIDENTIAL DISTRICTS.
WE ALSO HAVE SCHOOLS LOCATED ON MAJOR STREETS.
THERE ARE HIGH SCHOOLS LOCATED ON LEGACY ON SPRING CREEK ON 15TH STREET.
THE TWO SENIOR HIGH SCHOOLS, THREE SENIOR HIGH SCHOOLS ARE ALL LOCATED ON MAJOR STREETS.
IRVING'S... EXCUSE ME? PAST LIFE. [LAUGHTER] PLANO SENIOR HIGH SCHOOL HAS AN ELEMENTARY SCHOOL ADJACENT TO IT.
RIGHT. THIS AFTERNOON, I DROVE THROUGH THE RESIDENTIAL AREA IMMEDIATELY SOUTH OF THIS PROPERTY JUST TO SEE IF THERE WAS ANY EVIDENCE OF ANY DECLINE OR DEGENERATION OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD AS A RESULT OF BEING LOCATED IN, YOU KNOW, ADJACENT TO A SCHOOL.
AND THERE WASN'T ANY. IT'S A PERFECTLY DESIRABLE NEIGHBORHOOD.
SO I DON'T SEE WHY WE SHOULD NOT APPROVE THIS.
ARE YOU GOOD? ALL IN FAVOR? ITEM CARRIES 5 TO 0.
WELL, YOU GOT TO GET PAST COUNCIL FIRST, BUT WE'VE DONE OUR JOB.
SO BEFORE WE MOVE ON TO THE NON-PUBLIC HEARING ITEMS WE HAVE GATHERED SOME INFORMATION THAT I'D LIKE FOR COUNCIL TO TO HEAR REGARDING THE 500,000 SQUARE FOOT DEVELOPMENT QUESTION THAT WAS BROUGHT UP EARLIER.
THERE WERE TWO ASSERTIONS THAT I WANT TO RESPOND TO.
ONE WAS THAT PERHAPS IMPLYING THAT THE PLAN DID NOT MEET THE ORDINANCE? AND THE SECOND, THAT THE INFORMATION WAS NOT PROVIDED TO THE COMMISSION? SOME SOME FACTS TO RESPOND TO THOSE.
THIS PLAN DEVELOPMENT WAS ESTABLISHED IN 1989.
THE PROVISION CALLED OUT AND IT'S ALMOST EXACT SAME FORM REFERENCED 300,000FT² OF RETAIL IN 1995 THAT WAS AMENDED TO STATE 500,000FT² OF DEVELOPMENT.
SECONDLY, THE HEB SITE PLAN THAT WAS PROVIDED TO THE COMMISSION WHEN THAT WAS APPROVED INCLUDED A NOTE WITH THE PLAN DEVELOPMENT STIPULATION IN IT, AND CALCULATING UP THE TOTAL SQUARE FOOTAGE, NOTING AT THE TIME 451,830FT² OF BUILDING AREA.
THANK YOU. JUST A LITTLE CLARIFICATIONS, OKAY.
WE'RE GOING TO MOVE ON TO SOME NON-PUBLIC HEARING ITEMS. YOU GUYS ARE WELCOME TO STAY AND LISTEN.
BUT MY GUESS IS YOU'D PROBABLY RATHER BE HOME WITH YOUR KIDS AND STUFF.
OKAY. NON PUBLIC HEARING ITEMS.
[4. Discussion and Action – Extension of Approval Request – Site Plan: Plano Original Donation, Block 9, Lot 14R – Request to extend approval of a site plan for major vehicle repair and open vehicle storage on one lot on 0.5 acre located at the northeast corner of K Avenue and 12th Place. Zoned Light Commercial. Project #SP2024-015. Applicant: Lima Investments Group LLC. (Legislative consideration)]
NON PUBLIC HEARING ITEMS. THE PRESIDING OFFICER WILL PERMIT LIMITED PUBLIC COMMENT FOR ITEMS ON THE AGENDA NOT POSTED FOR A PUBLIC HEARING.THE PRESIDING OFFICER WILL ESTABLISH TIME LIMITS BASED UPON THE NUMBER OF SPEAKER REQUESTS, LENGTH OF AGENDA AND TO ENSURE MEETING EFFICIENCY, AND MAY INCLUDE A TOTAL TIME LIMIT. AGENDA.
ITEM NUMBER FOUR DISCUSSION AND ACTION.
EXTENSION OF APPROVAL REQUEST SITE PLAN PLANO ORIGINAL DONATION BLOCK 9, LOT 14R.
REQUEST TO EXTEND APPROVAL OF SITE PLAN FOR MAJOR VEHICLE REPAIR AND OPEN VEHICLE STORAGE ON ONE LOT ON 0.5 ACRE, LOCATED AT THE NORTHEAST CORNER OF K AVENUE AND 12TH PLACE.
APPLICANT IS LIMA INVESTMENT GROUPS, LLC, AND THIS IS FOR LEGISLATIVE CONSIDERATION.
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THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING AN EXTENSION OF A SITE PLAN TO ADDRESS PROPERTY STANDARDS, VIOLATIONS FOR OPEN STORAGE AND NO CERTIFICATE OF OCCUPANCY.THE SITE PLAN WAS ORIGINALLY APPROVED IN MARCH 21ST, 2022.
AND HERE ARE SOME PHOTOS OF APRIL 5TH, 2024, SHOWING THAT THERE ARE STILL VEHICLES ON THE PROPERTY THAT NEEDED TO BE REMOVED, AND THIS WAS AFTER THE ORIGINAL SITE PLAN HAS EXPIRED.
IF NEEDED, THE APPLICANT CAN COME BACK AND REQUEST FUTURE EXTENSIONS IF NEEDED.
WE ALSO HAVE MISS BRYANT HERE FROM PROPERTY STANDARDS WHO IS AVAILABLE FOR QUESTIONS AS WELL.
SO 30 DAY ESSENTIALLY EXTENSION.
AND HE'S HAD ALREADY TWO YEARS.
THANK YOU. OTHER QUESTIONS FIRST.
WELL, WE'VE GOT LOTS OF LOTS OF HANDS ALL AT ONCE HERE.
EVERYBODY JUST GIVE YOUR QUESTIONS TO COMMISSIONER TONG AND SHE'LL ASK THEM.
I'M SORRY. GO AHEAD, COMMISSIONER TONG.
WE'RE GOING TO LET LADIES GO FIRST.
ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN. MY QUESTION IS, IF WE DON'T APPROVE OR IF WE DIDN'T APPROVE THE EXTENSION, FOR EXAMPLE, EITHER TODAY OR ON JULY 15TH, AND IF WE SAY, OKAY, YOU HAVE TO DO IT NOW, WHAT WOULD HAPPEN TO THEM? WOULD THEY BE. LIKE WHAT KIND OF VIOLATION OR WHAT KIND OF CONSEQUENCES WOULD THEY FACE? PROPERTY STANDARDS WOULD CONTINUE THEIR ENFORCEMENT THROUGH THE APPROPRIATE MEANS.
THANK YOU, MR. BROUNOFF. WHAT IS THE NATURE OF THE BUSINESS? VEHICLE REPAIR.
THAT'S. THOSE PICTURES LOOK LIKE A LOT OF VEHICLES WAITING TO BE REPAIRED.
I'M WONDERING, IT'S LIMITED TO A CERTAIN AREA OF THEIR PROPERTY, AND IT ALSO HAS TO BE SCREENED.
OKAY. IS THERE ANOTHER ANCILLARY BUSINESS ALSO GOING ON, SUCH AS THE SALE OF VEHICLES, WHOLESALING VEHICLES AUCTIONS SALVAGE SPARE PARTS? OTHER THAN JUST THE VEHICLE REPAIR, BECAUSE THAT LOOKS LIKE A LOT OF VEHICLES FOR FOR ONE TINY PLACE TO BE WORKING ON.
STAFF IS NOT AWARE OF THAT UNLESS.
MISS BRYANT, DO YOU HAVE ANY INFORMATION TO THAT? ARE YOU AWARE OF ANY OTHER BUSINESSES BEYOND THE VEHICLE REPAIR? NO, HE WAS JUST IT WAS CAR PARKED ON THE PROPERTY AS WELL.
WE'RE NOT AWARE OF SOME OF THE CARS WEREN'T BEING REPAIRED.
THE APPLICANT IS HERE THIS EVENING AS WELL TO ANSWER QUESTIONS.
OKAY. MR. CARY I WANT TO MAKE SURE I UNDERSTAND SPECIFICALLY WHAT THE ISSUE WAS AND WHAT THE REMEDY WAS SUPPOSED TO BE.
LOOKS LIKE WE'VE HAD A LOT OF TIME TO REMEDY THINGS.
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SO WHAT WAS THE ORIGINAL ISSUE? WHAT WAS HE SUPPOSED TO DO? AND I GUESS HE HASN'T DONE THAT OR THEY HAVEN'T DONE IT.SO WHAT WAS THE ISSUE? THE SITE PLAN I'VE PUT BACK ON THE SCREEN HERE, IT'S KIND OF HARD TO SEE.
AND TO THE RIGHT OF THOSE CIRCLES IS WHERE THE VEHICLE REPAIR NEEDS TO BE PARKED.
SO THE ISSUES WERE CONFINED TO THAT AREA.
IS THAT IS THAT CORRECT? THAT'S WHERE THE CHALLENGE WAS, THAT AREA RIGHT THERE.
MY UNDERSTANDING IS THE WHOLE SITE RIGHT NOW, IT WAS BEING OCCUPIED.
THEY'RE LIMITED TO 900FT² OF VEHICLE STORAGE ESSENTIALLY.
YEAH. AND SO AS IT LOOKS LIKE THIS WAS ORIGINALLY SITED ON JULY 9TH, 2021.
AND THEN THE PLAN WAS APPROVED ON MARCH 20TH, SOMETHING 2022, WHICH IS OVER TWO YEARS AGO.
AND SO IN IN TWO YEARS, WE HAVEN'T BEEN ABLE TO SOLVE THIS, RIGHT.
BUT NOW WE'RE GOING TO SOLVE IT IN 30 DAYS.
AND IS THE ISSUE JUST REMOVING THESE CARS? I MEAN, I'M FRANKLY LOST BY THIS.
HEY THIS YOU HAVE A VIOLATION HERE.
THEY DON'T NECESSARILY GO INTO ENFORCEMENT MODE JUST YET.
THEY GIVE THEM AN OPPORTUNITY TO COMPLY.
SO THE SITE PLAN SHOWS THAT AREA AND THE SCREENING, THEY'RE REQUIRED TO CONSTRUCT THAT SCREENING AND REMOVE THE CARS THAT ARE OUTSIDE OF THE 900,000FT² OVER THE LAST TWO YEARS. THE SITE PLAN APPROVAL PER THE ZONING ORDINANCE IS FOR TWO YEARS.
THANK YOU. I GET THAT. I GUESS I WOULD SAY THIS, YOU KNOW, I THINK ONE OF THE THINGS MAYBE A LOT OF US KNOW IN THEIR DEFENSE HERE AND MAYBE THEY WILL TALK TO IT, BUT IS THAT THAT PARTS CAN BE CHALLENGING IN THIS INDUSTRY OVER THE LAST COUPLE OF YEARS.
SO, YOU KNOW, MAYBE MAYBE THEY'LL LEAN INTO THAT.
BUT ANYWAY, THANK YOU. THAT ANSWERS MY QUESTION, MR. OLLEY. CLARIFYING QUESTION TO WHAT YOU JUST SAID, MIKE.
SO THEY HAD, IF I'M HEARING THIS CORRECTLY, TWO WAYS TO REMEDIATE SCREEN OR MOVE THE CARS.
THEY NEEDED TO DO BOTH, OH THEY NEEDED TO DO BOTH.
OKAY. DID THEY DO EITHER? WAS A SCREEN BUILT ANYWAY AND CARS ONLY STARTED BEING REMOVED? IT SOUNDS LIKE RECENTLY.
CORRECT. THERE WAS A LINE ABOUT MY NOTES THAT THEY WERE OPERATING WITHOUT A CERTIFICATE OF OCCUPANCY WERE THERE RAMIFICATIONS TO DOING THAT OVER THE LAST TWO YEARS OPERATING WITHOUT A CO.
DID THEY RECEIVE LETTERS, WARNINGS? FINES? WHAT? MISS BRYANT, CAN YOU SPEAK TO THE AMOUNT OF NOTIFICATION? GWENDOLYN BRYANT, NEIGHBORHOOD SERVICES SENIOR PROPERTY STANDARDS SPECIALIST.
I DID ISSUE NOTICE FOR HIM TO OBTAIN A SITE PLAN AND A CO.
WHEN HE DID NOT, I WROTE I ISSUED A NUMBER OF PROBABLE CAUSE AFFIDAVITS.
WE HAVE BEEN THROUGH THE COURT PROCESS.
WE'RE STILL IN THE COURT PROCESS.
SO DID THAT ANSWER YOUR QUESTION? IT DOES. I WAS JUST TRYING TO MAKE SURE THIS WASN'T, LIKE, A SURPRISE, LIKE.
OH, YEAH. NO, NO, I DIDN'T THINK SO.
YEAH. AND IT'S SOMEWHAT DIFFICULT FOR US TO.
SO THERE'S A GOOD REASON FOR IT.
MR. BROUNOFF. THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN. DO YOU WANT TO SPEAK TO THIS. OH, HERE WE ARE AGAIN.
GO AHEAD. SORRY, MR. BROUNOFF. GO AHEAD. YEAH.
BUT I THINK THAT THE GREATER INTEREST OF THE CITY WOULD BE SERVED BY HAVING A VIABLE BUSINESS IN
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COMPLIANCE WITH THE APPLICABLE REQUIREMENTS.AND IN ORDER TO ACCOMPLISH THAT I THINK WE NEED TO FIND SOME WAY OF PROVIDING MOTIVATION AND INCENTIVE TO THE PROPERTY OWNER TO, YOU KNOW, GET BUSY AND DO WHAT HE SHOULD HAVE BEEN DOING ALL ALONG.
AND I THINK THE STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION OF A ONE OR MORE SHORT EXTENSIONS, WHICH WE DO NOT HAVE TO APPROVE IN THE FUTURE, RIGHT, YOU KNOW WOULD CONVEY THE MESSAGE THAT YOU'VE GOT 30 DAYS TO GET STARTED.
AND I BASED ON THAT, I THINK THAT'S, THAT'S A VIABLE COURSE FOR US TO TAKE.
I'M GOING TO MY PROBLEM SOLVING MODE RIGHT NOW BECAUSE I SEE THE PROBLEM IS NOT ABOUT TIMING.
IT'S ABOUT THEY DON'T HAVE ENOUGH SPACE TO PARK THESE CARS.
THE REASON, AT LEAST FROM MY UNDERSTANDING, WE CAN PROBABLY TALK TO THE APPLICANTS.
I SEE THAT THEY PROBABLY NEED MORE SPACE THAN 900FT² TO PARK THEIR CARS.
AND THAT'S ANOTHER REASON, BECAUSE THEY PARKED ALL THE CARS THERE.
THEY CAN'T BUILD THE SCREENS BECAUSE THE SPACE, THE REAL ESTATE IS BEING USED FOR PARKING CARS.
SO I WAS WONDERING IF THERE'S ANY HELP, MAYBE FROM OUR CITY'S ENGINEER OR PLANNING OR OUR SITE PLANNER OR WHATEVER THAT WE CAN PROVIDE, HELP THEM SEE IF THEY COULD HAVE MORE THAN 900FT² OF PARKING.
CAN WE APPLY THE PARKING REQUIREMENTS REDUCTION THAT WE HAVE RECENTLY PUT IN FOR RETAIL BUILDINGS, SOMETHING LIKE THAT, THAT WOULD REDUCE THE AMOUNT OF REQUIRED PARKING FOR EMPLOYEES AND STAFF, BUT IT WOULD NOT INCREASE THE AMOUNT OF STORAGE THAT WOULD BE ALLOWED.
WENT THROUGH THE PROCESS. GOT A SITE PLAN APPROVED.
HE HAD TO MAKE CERTAIN MODIFICATIONS.
HE'S NOW GONE PAST THAT TWO YEARS, AND WE'RE TRYING TO GIVE HIM AN EXTENSION.
HE'S STARTED THE PROCESS AND MAYBE WHO KNOWS, IN 30 DAYS HE'LL BE THERE.
BUT I'M IN FAVOR OF LET'S GIVE HIM 30 DAYS, SEE WHERE WE'RE AT.
AND THEN, YOU KNOW, AT LEAST AT THAT POINT, HE'S CERTAINLY IS KIND OF ON NOTICE THAT, YOU KNOW, BAD THINGS CAN HAPPEN AFTER THIS.
I LARGELY ALIGN WITH YOU, BUT I'M IT'S DUBIOUS TO ME THAT WE'RE GOING TO HAVE A 30 DAY MIRACLE HERE.
WELL, AND SO TO THAT END, I WONDER, I WONDER, I'M WITH YOU UP UNTIL 30 DAYS.
SHOULD WE GIVE THIS GUY A LITTLE BIT MORE TIME? HE I DON'T KNOW. DOES HE GET TO TALK TONIGHT? YES. HE CAN TALK. YEAH. SO I MEAN, I DON'T THINK, YOU KNOW, I GUESS TO EVERYBODY HERE, I'M NOT SURE THAT WE SHOULD GIVE A GREATLY EXTENDED PERIOD OF TIME.
AND I THINK, YOU KNOW, TO COMMISSIONER BROUNOFF'S POINT OF VIEW, I THINK WE NEED TO SAY, WE'RE PROBABLY NOT GOING TO COME BACK IN HERE EVERY MONTH AND DO THIS, BUT MY GUESS IS IN 30 DAYS, WE'RE NOT GOING TO BE SUCCESSFUL.
IF THE GOAL IS TO ALLOW THIS GENTLEMAN TO FIX HIS BUSINESS.
RIGHT. AND I THINK THE 30 DAYS CAME FROM THAT'S WHAT HE REQUESTED, RIGHT.
OH, I THOUGHT THAT WAS IN THE LETTER.
MY APOLOGIES. AND WHEN I READ THE LETTER, I THOUGHT IT.
AND THEN BUT YOU SAID YOU WERE OUT THERE TODAY AND TOOK PICTURES AND THAT THE SITE'S NOW CLEAN OR CLEAR? YES.
THE INTENT OF 30 DAYS WAS THAT THEY COULD PULL UP BUILDING PERMIT FOR THE FENCE AND THE SCREENING TO DEMONSTRATE THAT THEY'RE MAKING EFFORTS WHEN THAT THAT PERMIT HAS A CERTAIN EXPIRATION DATE.
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SO SHOULD THEY COME BACK AGAIN AND THEY HAVE A PERMIT IN HAND, THEY COULD REQUEST ADDITIONAL TIME TO COMPLETE THE PERMITTING PROCESS AND COME INTO COMPLIANCE.OKAY, SO THE THING WOULD BE 30 DAYS.
HE'S GOING TO SHOW BACK UP WITH A PERMIT? AND THAT MEANS HE'S MAKING PROGRESS.
IF WE GIVE HIM 60 DAYS, HE MIGHT TAKE 60 DAYS TO GET THE PERMIT.
I'M OPEN MR. OLLEY TO THAT POINT WHERE WHAT CAN WE DO TO.
NEIGHBORHOOD AND PROPERTY STANDARDS WAS IGNORED.
IGNORED. THEN IT CAME BEFORE P&Z AND IT'S LIKE, OH CRAP, THIS IS A BIG DEAL.
[LAUGHTER] THAT'S BAD. RIGHT? WHICH. YOU CAN'T CHOOSE WHICH CITY STAFF TO IGNORE AND WHICH ONES TO FALL IN LINE WITH.
SO IS THERE SOMETHING WE CAN? I DON'T MIND THE 30 DAYS, BUT IF IN 30 DAYS IT COMES BACK WITH QUOTE UNQUOTE PROGRESS, RIGHT? THERE HAS TO BE AN END TO THIS.
OKAY, I'LL TELL YOU WHAT THEN.
I WOULD LIKE AT LEAST SIX MONTH EXTENSION IF POSSIBLE.
THE REASON BEING IS I'M NOT A CONTRACTOR.
I RELY ON OTHER PEOPLE TO DO THE WORK, AND THE FACT THAT THEY'VE BEEN SO BEHIND AND THEY DON'T GET THINGS DONE AS FAST AS THEY SHOULD. I DON'T WANT TO COME BACK EVERY 30 DAYS AND ASK FOR MORE TIME.
I THINK SIX MONTHS IS GOING TO BE MORE THAN ENOUGH FOR ME TO GET THAT WORK DONE.
I WAS ONLY WORKING ME AND ONE PERSON AND LACK OF PARTS NOT BEING AVAILABLE.
IN ORDER TO DO SO, I HAD TO MOVE ALL THESE CARS.
NOW, WHAT TOOK ME SO LONG TO MOVE? I COULDN'T FIND ANOTHER PLACE THAT THEY CAN DO A SHORT TERM LEASE FOR ME TO MOVE MY CARS AND ALL MY EQUIPMENT AND STUFF TO MOVE, AND ABLE TO GET WORKING ON THE SITE PLAN APPROVED.
NOW THAT I'M ABLE TO FIND A PLACE OR TO FIND A PLACE, I ALREADY MOVED OUT.
OKAY, SO HE'S GOT TO REPAVE THE SITE.
IS THAT CORRECT? THERE'S A PORTION ON THE NORTH SIDE WHERE PAVING IS PROPOSED, PROPOSED OR REQUIRED TO COMPLY WITH THE SITE PLAN.
THEY WOULD NEED TO BE CONSTRUCTED.
OKAY, AS FAR AS I KNOW IS REQUIRED.
OKAY. AND THAT WAS SOMETHING THAT WAS AGREED TO TWO YEARS PLUS AGO.
MR. BROUNOFF. I THINK SIX MONTHS IS TOO LONG.
I MIGHT GO 60 DAYS, BUT I WILL NOT GO SIX MONTHS.
OKAY. WHAT DO YOU THINK? YOU'RE THE ONE WHO WANTS MORE TIME, MR. CARY. CAN YOU FINISH THIS IN SIX MONTHS? YES, SIR. MIKE, I HAVE A QUESTION.
WHAT IF WE HAD A FEW STEPS IN HERE FOR THIS GENTLEMAN WHERE WE NEED TO SEE SOME PROGRESS? TO YOUR POINT ABOUT WHAT? THE PERMIT, THE THINGS THAT WE NEED.
AND IF WE DON'T GET THAT ACCOMPLISHED, THEN WE DON'T GIVE ANY MORE TIME.
BUT IF WE DO, THEN MAYBE WE GIVE SOMETHING LONGER THAN EVEN 60 DAYS.
AS LONG AS WE'RE SEEING PROGRESS HERE.
AND I THINK IT'S A VERY CHALLENGING ENVIRONMENT OUT THERE.
HOWEVER, I DON'T THINK WE SHOULD HAVE SOME OPEN ENDED THING TO COMMISSIONER BROUNOFF.
SO I WONDER, IS THERE A WAY THAT WE COULD PUT A COUPLE STEPS IN WITHOUT, YOU KNOW, TOO MUCH EFFORT ON OUR PART HERE SO THAT HE'S MOVING THROUGH THIS IN A WAY THAT WE CAN SEE HE'S MAKING PROGRESS.
AND I GUESS I'D TOSS THAT TO YOU, MIKE, TO SEE WHAT YOUR SUGGESTION MIGHT BE.
WELL, I THINK THAT WAS THE IDEA BEHIND THE 30 DAYS.
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ACCOMPLISHES THAT, COULD THAT IMMEDIATELY THEN TRIGGER THE EXTENSION SO THAT WE'RE NOT BACK IN HERE? THAT'S THAT'S MY SUGGESTION.NOT. WELL, I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE SAYING NOW.
CAN WE DO THAT? GIVE ME ONE, ONE SECOND TO REVIEW THE ORDINANCE, IF YOU DON'T MIND.
OKAY. ANYONE KNOW HOW TO WHISTLE? WHAT'S THE THEME FROM? YEAH. JEOPARDY.
WE'RE CERTAINLY BEATING THIS AROUND A BUNCH, BUT IT'S UNFORTUNATE, AND I.
I UNDERSTAND NOW, WHAT YOU'RE SAYING IS, YOU KNOW, WE TAKE ACTION TONIGHT, BUT IF HE MEETS TRIGGERS, IT GRANTS AUTOMATIC EXTENSIONS INSTEAD OF HIM HAVING TO COME BACK TO US EVERY TIME. YEAH, WE DON'T WANT TO.
WE DON'T WANT TO BE STANDING OVER HIM WITH THE STICK OR SOMETHING.
BUT UNLESS MS. D'ANDREA HAS ANYTHING FOR ME, I DON'T THINK IT ALLOWS KIND OF THOSE TRIGGERS OF AUTOMATIC EXTENSIONS.
I WOULD RECOMMEND IF JUST SO YOU'RE AWARE OF WHAT COMPLIANCE MEANS, IT MEANS CONSTRUCTING THE IMPROVEMENTS SHOWN ON THE SITE PLAN, GETTING THOSE INSPECTED AND APPROVED, GETTING A CERTIFICATE OF OCCUPANCY ISSUED ONCE THE CERTIFICATE OF OCCUPANCY IS ISSUED.
SO MY RECOMMENDATION WOULD BE SIMPLY JUST TO ESTABLISH A TIME THAT YOU'RE COMFORTABLE WITH, AND WE'LL BRING IT BACK AND SHOW IF EVERYTHING'S IN COMPLIANCE, YOU WON'T NEED AN EXTENSION. RIGHT.
BECAUSE THE SITE PLAN WILL BE.
SO YOU STILL THINK 30 DAYS IS SOMETHING HE CAN GET ALL THIS DONE IN? I DON'T THINK HE CAN GET IT DONE IN THAT TIME, BUT I THINK THAT PROGRESS CAN BE DEMONSTRATED THROUGH APPLICATION AND PERHAPS RECEIPT OF A BUILDING PERMIT TO SHOW SINCERE PROGRESS TOWARDS ACHIEVING COMPLIANCE.
QUESTION. ARE YOU ABLE TO WORK AT ALL RIGHT NOW? I MEAN, RIGHT NOW I HAVE I LEASED ANOTHER PLACE.
I WAS ABLE TO FIND ANOTHER PLACE FOR A SHORT TERM LEASE.
SO YOU'RE ABLE TO WORK ON YOUR VEHICLES IN ANOTHER PLACE WHILE YOU'RE WORKING ON THIS? YES. MY ONLY ISSUE HERE IS JUST I'M DEPENDING ON CONTRACTORS TO GET THE WORK DONE.
UNDERSTOOD. I MEAN, MY HOUSE, I LIVE IN PLANO.
COULD WE TAKE JUST A FIVE MINUTE RECESS? I WOULD LIKE TO. OKAY.
WE'RE RESEARCHING SOME OPPORTUNITIES.
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OKAY. WE WILL RECONVENE INTO SESSION AFTER CONSULTATION TO MAKE SURE THAT WE WERE EXPLORING WHAT THE OPTIONS WERE.I'M GOING TO RESTATE MY OPINION THAT WHAT WE SHOULD DO IS GRANT A 90 DAY EXTENSION TO SEPTEMBER THE 16TH, WHICH WOULD BE THE ROUGHLY 90 DAYS FROM NOW P&Z MEETING.
AND HONESTLY, IN 90 DAYS, I THINK HE CAN PROBABLY GET IT DONE.
I DECIDED 3 OR 4 WEEKS AGO I WANTED TO GET MY DRIVEWAY REDONE, AND IT WAS DONE IN THREE WEEKS.
IF HE COMES BACK 90 DAYS AND IT'S NOT DONE, WE CAN DECIDE.
WE'VE GIVEN THEM ALL THE LEASH THAT WE WANT OR, YOU KNOW, WE CAN SEE WHAT THE OPTIONS ARE.
BUT I THINK IN 90 DAYS HE SHOULD BE ABLE TO GET IT COMPLETED.
SO I'M WILLING TO GO 90 DAYS IS THERE.
I WANTED TO SPEAK I HAVE A RESERVATION.
I GUESS THAT I THINK 90 DAYS IS FINE, BUT I JUST FEEL LIKE WE HAVE A LOT OF CITIZENS IN THIS CITY.
AND I HEARD YOUR STORY TOO, PERSONALLY, AND I HAVE HAD CLIENTS AND FRIENDS PERSONALLY THAT I KNOW THAT BECAUSE THEY WERE IN COMPLIANCE AND THEY HAD TO COMPLY WITH THE CITY CODE OR CITY REQUIREMENTS THEY HAVE, THEY HAD TO LITERALLY COUGH UP OR DIP INTO THEIR SAVINGS ACCOUNT SO THAT THEY CAN PAVE THAT DRIVEWAY OR PAVE THAT PARKING SPACE SO THAT THEY CAN IN COMPLIANCE WITH THE CITY.
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THEN MAYBE EVEN IN THE PAST THREE YEARS.I THINK THIS ISSUE STARTED IN 2021.
IT'S BEEN MORE THAN THREE YEARS, IF WE COUNT FROM THE VERY BEGINNING.
UNDERSTOOD. I'M A SMALL BUSINESS OWNER MYSELF, AND I HAVE LOTS OF SYMPATHY TO SMALL BUSINESS OWNERS, BUT THERE'S A LINE SOMEWHERE WE HAVE TO DRAW. AND I FEEL LIKE A LOT OF OTHER CITIZENS WHO ABIDE TO OUR STANDARDS AND OUR COMPLIANCES, WE OWE TO THEM TO HOLD OUR STANDARDS TO MAKE OTHER CITIZENS TO COMPLY TO THE SAME STANDARDS THAT HAVE BEEN APPLIED TO THEM.
OKAY, SO MY THOUGHT THERE IS 30 DAYS.
THAT'S WHY I WAS THINKING, AND MR. BROUNOFF, I THINK ORIGINALLY SUGGESTED THREE MONTHS OR 90 DAYS.
LET'S SAY I SAID 30 OR 60 DAYS.
BUT 90 IS FINE I CAN GO WITH 90.
I JUST WANT TO SAY THAT IF WE DON'T GRANT THE EXTENSION, WHAT HAPPENS TO THE PROPERTY? I MEAN, HE MAY BE FORCED TO VACATE THE PROPERTY BECAUSE HE HASN'T BROUGHT IT INTO COMPLIANCE.
AND THEN WE'RE STUCK WITH AN EYESORE AND A PART OF TOWN THAT WE ARE TRYING TO UPGRADE.
RIGHT. WELL, HE WOULD ALWAYS HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY.
IT WOULD BE A FINANCIAL BURDEN, BUT TO REAPPLY AND GO THROUGH THE ENTIRE PROCESS AGAIN IS TO.
AND IF HE'S NOT THEN HE'S EITHER GOING TO HAVE TO GO THROUGH THE PROCESS AGAIN OR ANYWAY.
HE'S SITTING RIGHT THERE AND WE'RE JUST DEBATING HIS FATE.
YOU KNOW, IT'S KIND OF WEIRD BEING ON A COURT ALMOST.
YOU WERE ON JURY DUTY ONCE TODAY.
WHOOPS. FINE WITH THE 90 DAYS.
BUT I HOPE HE GETS FROM THIS CONVERSATION THAT THE LINE HAS BEEN DRAWN.
OKAY. MR. CARY. I THINK COMMISSIONER TONG MAKES SOME EXCELLENT POINTS, AND THAT IS, IF WE DON'T ENFORCE OUR STANDARDS, THEN WE ACTUALLY DON'T HAVE ANY.
AND I THINK SHE FEELS THAT THIS GENTLEMAN, RIGHT OR WRONG, HAS UNFAIRLY TAKEN ADVANTAGE OF THE CITY.
AND, I THINK IT'S AN EXCELLENT POINT AND MY GUESS IS I'M NOT I'M GOING TO TRY NOT TO SPEAK FOR HER, BUT I THINK IF SHE HAD THE VOTE, SHE WOULD SAY, NO, WE'RE NOT GRANTING ANY EXTENSION. IT'S MY GUESS.
AND I UNDERSTAND THIS SENTIMENT, I REALLY DO.
AND IF OTHER PEOPLE HAVEN'T TAKEN ADVANTAGE OF IT, I MEAN, I DON'T KNOW WHAT TO SAY ABOUT THAT, BUT IN THIS INSTANCE, I DO SUPPORT WHAT YOU'RE SAYING, ALTHOUGH I COMPLETELY UNDERSTAND HER POINT, AND I THINK THE CITY DOES NEED TO THINK ABOUT THAT.
WELL, AND TO BE HONEST, I MEAN, BEYOND THE 90 DAYS, I DON'T HAVE MUCH INTEREST IN PURSUING THIS.
SO ACCIDENTAL, COINCIDENTAL OR PURPOSEFUL, I DON'T KNOW.
ALL RIGHT. CAN WE DO 90 DAYS AND THEN HOPEFULLY WE'RE NOT GOING TO OKAY, I GO AHEAD.
I WILL SECOND THAT. IS THAT CLEAR ENOUGH MOTION? YES. AND WE HAVE A SECOND.
IN FAVOR. WE HAVE FOUR IN FAVOR.
COMMISSIONER TONG, IT'S PERFECTLY FINE.
SO. OKAY, SO THANK YOU, STAFF, FOR BEING VERY PATIENT BECAUSE NOW WE'RE ON TO JUST SOME REPORTS.
SO THEY'VE SAT HERE ALL EVENING WAITING ON US TO.
ITEM FIVE. AGENDA ITEM NUMBER FIVE.
[5. Discussion and Direction: Comprehensive Plan Maintenance Review – Economic Environment Pillar – Discussion and direction of recommended updates to the Economic Environment Pillar of the Comprehensive Plan associated with the 2024 Comprehensive Plan Maintenance Review. Project #DI2024-009.]
DISCUSSION AND DIRECTION.COMPREHENSIVE PLAN MAINTENANCE REVIEW.
ECONOMIC ENVIRONMENT PILLAR DISCUSSION AND DIRECTION OF RECOMMENDED UPDATES TO THE ECONOMIC ENVIRONMENT PILLAR OF THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN ASSOCIATED WITH THE 2024 COMPREHENSIVE PLAN MAINTENANCE REVIEW.
I'M DREW BRAWNER, LEAD PLANNER WITH THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT.
THIS IS A DISCUSSION AND DIRECTION ITEM OF RECOMMENDED UPDATES OF THE ECONOMIC ENVIRONMENT PILLAR OF THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, AS PART OF THIS YEAR'S COMPREHENSIVE PLAN MAINTENANCE REVIEW.
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I'D FIRST LIKE TO ACKNOWLEDGE MARIAM ZAHIR, PLANNER ON OUR LONG RANGE TEAM WHO HAS BEEN WORKING ON THIS ITEM.SHE WAS UNABLE TO ATTEND TONIGHT AND I'M PRESENTING ON HER BEHALF.
SO FOR BACKGROUND, THE REDEVELOPMENT AND GROWTH MANAGEMENT POLICY ACTION SEVEN DIRECT STAFF TO REVIEW THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN EVERY TWO YEARS TO DETERMINE IF ROUTINE UPDATES ARE WARRANTED, TO ENSURE CONSISTENCY WITH CITYWIDE GOALS, AND RESPOND TO DEVELOPMENT TRENDS AND CHANGING CONDITIONS.
THE LAND USE, TRANSPORTATION, AND HOUSING AS PART OF THE BUILT ENVIRONMENT PILLAR ARE TO BE REVIEWED EVERY TWO YEARS, AND THE REMAINING PLAN PILLARS AND POLICIES WILL BE REVIEWED AS MID CYCLE REVIEWS IN BETWEEN.
THIS YEAR IS A MID CYCLE REVIEW WITH A FOCUS ON THE ECONOMIC ENVIRONMENT AND REGIONALISM PILLARS.
SO THE ECONOMIC ENVIRONMENT PILLAR INCLUDES TWO COMPONENTS THE ECONOMY COMPONENT, WHICH INCLUDES ONE POLICY AND SIX ACTIONS, AND THE WORKFORCE DEVELOPMENT COMPONENT, WHICH INCLUDES ONE POLICY AND FIVE ACTIONS.
THE VISION STATEMENT FOR THIS PILLAR STATES PLANO HAS A DIVERSE AND RESILIENT ECONOMIC BASE WITH A VARIETY OF BUSINESSES AND EMPLOYMENT OPPORTUNITIES FOR A WELL-EDUCATED AND HIGHLY SKILLED RESIDENT POPULATION.
OUR REVIEW AND UPDATE PROCESS INCLUDES TWO TYPES OF UPDATES.
TECHNICAL UPDATES TO FACTS, FIGURES, INVENTORIES, AND DESCRIPTIONS OF EXISTING CONDITIONS, AND THESE ARE CONSIDERED ADMINISTRATIVE UPDATES AND DO NOT REQUIRE A PLAN AMENDMENT. AND THEN WE ALSO HAVE RECOMMENDED UPDATES TO POLICIES, ACTIONS, VISION STATEMENTS OR OTHER POLICY BASED COMPONENTS OF THE PLAN, AND THESE DO REQUIRE A PLAN AMENDMENT APPROVAL BY THE P&Z COMMISSION AND CITY COUNCIL.
IN ORDER TO DETERMINE NECESSARY UPDATES, WE'VE GATHERED INPUT FROM VARIOUS CITY DEPARTMENTS WHO LEAD THE IMPLEMENTATION OF ACTIONS WITHIN THIS YEAR'S SET OF REVIEW POLICIES. THE GOAL OF THE MAINTENANCE REVIEW IS NOT TO CHANGE PLAN, VISION OR POLICY DIRECTION, BUT TO ENSURE POLICIES AND ACTIONS ACCURATELY REFLECT CURRENT OBJECTIVES AND INITIATIVES TO PROVIDE BETTER DIRECTION TO CITY STAFF, AND SO THAT WE CAN ACCURATELY SHOW THE PROGRESS BEING MADE TOWARDS THE PLAN'S POLICIES.
SO STARTING WITH AN OVERVIEW OF ADMINISTRATIVE UPDATES, THIS IS LIMITED TO THE BACKGROUND INFORMATION THAT DESCRIBES THE CONTEXT AND EXISTING CONDITIONS FOR EACH OF THE PLAN'S PILLARS AND POLICIES.
THESE UPDATES INCLUDE STATISTICAL AND FACT BASED INFORMATION SUCH AS NEW CENSUS PLANO ISD AND DALLAS REGIONAL CHAMBER DATA, MUCH OF WHICH HASN'T BEEN UPDATED SINCE THE 2015 VERSION OF THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
AND THIS SLIDE HIGHLIGHTS AN EXAMPLE UPDATE TO THE WORKFORCE DEVELOPMENT COMPONENT STATEMENT, UPDATING THE BACHELOR'S DEGREE ATTAINMENT RATE TO THE LATEST AVAILABLE INFORMATION FROM THE AMERICAN COMMUNITY SURVEY, WHICH IS NOW 58% UP FROM THE, UP FROM 57% DURING THE PREVIOUS PLAN UPDATE.
SO MOVING TO THE POLICY AND ACTION UPDATE RECOMMENDATIONS, WE FIRST WANT TO ACKNOWLEDGE THAT THE MAJORITY OF THE ECONOMIC ENVIRONMENT ACTIONS ARE LED BY THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT DEPARTMENT. THEY HAVE POLICY STATEMENTS ON BUSINESS ATTRACTION AND RETENTION INITIATIVES THAT WERE RECENTLY UPDATED AND APPROVED BY CITY COUNCIL WITHIN THE LAST YEAR, AND WERE INFORMATIVE FOR RECOMMENDED UPDATES TO OUR COMPREHENSIVE PLAN ACTIONS.
THESE INITIATIVES ACKNOWLEDGE CHANGES TO WORKFORCE NEEDS AND REAL ESTATE MARKET TRENDS, AND THE RANGE OF BUSINESS TYPES AND SITES WHERE BUSINESSES ARE ATTRACTED TO HAVE EXPANDED BEYOND JUST THE TRADITIONAL BUSINESS PARK AREAS, AND THIS EXPANDED FOCUS ALLOWS THE CITY TO MAINTAIN ITS COMPETITIVE POSITION.
YOU'LL SEE THESE THEMES REFLECTED IN THE RECOMMENDED UPDATES TO THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
SO FIRST, THE ECONOMY COMPONENT STATEMENT.
STAFF RECOMMENDS ADDING TO THE STATEMENT THAT PLANO WILL ADAPT TO A CHANGING EMPLOYMENT AND MARKET TRENDS, AND THIS IS IN ALIGNMENT WITH THE GOALS OF THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT INCENTIVES PROGRAM.
NEXT IS THE DIVERSE AND RESILIENT ECONOMY, BACKGROUND INFORMATION.
AND THERE IS A LOT OF TEXT ON THIS SLIDE HERE, BUT I'LL JUST HIGHLIGHT THE RECOMMENDED UPDATES.
THE INFORMATION IN THE BACKGROUND STATEMENT CURRENTLY STATES THAT CORPORATE HEADQUARTERS AND TECHNOLOGY COMPANIES PRESENTLY SERVE AS THE CITY'S PRIMARY FOCUS FOR BUSINESS ATTRACTION, AND THAT CORPORATE CAMPUSES ARE STILL A DESIRABLE LAYOUT FOR MANY COMPANIES WITH OPPORTUNITIES FOR RELOCATION WITHIN ONE OF THE FOUR MAJOR BUSINESS PARKS.
THE RECOMMENDED UPDATE IS TO ACKNOWLEDGE THAT WHILE OUR BUSINESS CAMPUS LOCATIONS ARE STILL A PRIORITY FOR THE CITY, THERE ARE ALSO RELOCATION AND RETENTION OPPORTUNITIES BEYOND THE TYPICAL BUSINESS PARKS.
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BETTER SUIT CURRENT EMPLOYMENT PREFERENCES.SO NEXT IS THE DIVERSE AND RESILIENT ECONOMY POLICY.
A MINOR ADDITION IS RECOMMENDED TO THE POLICY STATEMENT.
PLANO WILL FOCUS EFFORTS TO RETAIN EXISTING BUSINESSES AND TARGET OUTREACH TO A BROAD SET OF INNOVATIVE, KNOWLEDGE BASED COMPANIES TO ENSURE A DIVERSE AND RESILIENT ECONOMIC BASE, AND IN PARTICULAR, THAT PHRASE, A BROAD SET IS RECOMMENDED TO FURTHER EMPHASIZE TARGETING A VARIETY OF BUSINESSES TO STAY COMPETITIVE.
AND THE RECOMMENDED UPDATE IS TO INCLUDE THE DEVELOPMENT OF AN ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT STRATEGIC PLAN.
THIS ACTION IS ABOUT ANTICIPATING INFRASTRUCTURE NEEDS TO SUPPORT ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT.
AND THERE ARE TWO MINOR CHANGES HERE.
AND THIS RECOGNIZES THAT AS OUR CITY BECOMES MORE AND MORE BUILT OUT, BUSINESS ATTRACTION IS NOT JUST OCCURRING IN COMPLETELY UNDEVELOPED AREAS, AND THAT WE ALSO HAVE REDEVELOPMENT SITES THAT WILL NEED TO BE REVIEWED FOR NECESSARY INFRASTRUCTURE IMPROVEMENTS.
AND THEN SECOND, WE RECOMMEND REVISING THE ACTION TO IDENTIFY ANTICIPATED INFRASTRUCTURE NEEDS.
AND THIS IS TO EMPHASIZE THE PROACTIVE NATURE OF THIS ACTION THAT WE NOT ONLY NEED TO RECOGNIZE THE AREAS WHERE INFRASTRUCTURE IS NEEDED, BUT THAT WE SHOULD PROACTIVELY IDENTIFY THOSE NEEDS TO PRIORITIZE THEM AS DEVELOPMENT OCCURS.
AND SO NEXT WE MOVE TO THE WORKFORCE DEVELOPMENT COMPONENT.
THIS UPDATE I PREVIOUSLY HIGHLIGHTED AS AN EXAMPLE OF A MINOR STATISTICAL UPDATE.
AND IN THIS CASE WE'RE UPDATING TO THE LATEST DATA ON BACHELOR'S DEGREE ATTAINMENT.
THEN THE JOB, JOBS AND WORKFORCE DEVELOPMENT POLICY IS THE ONE POLICY IN THIS COMPONENT.
THE POLICY STATEMENT INCLUDES A MINOR UPDATE TO CHANGE ASSIST TO PARTNER WITH THIS IS TO ACKNOWLEDGE THAT THE CITY NOW TAKES MORE OF A PROACTIVE ROLE WHEN IT COMES TO WORKFORCE DEVELOPMENT, RATHER THAN JUST SUPPORTING THE EDUCATION AND BUSINESS COMMUNITIES.
THEREFORE, WE RECOMMEND UPDATING IT TO REGULARLY ASSESS AND REPORT.
AND THEN THAT COVERS THE RECOMMENDED UPDATES FOR THE ECONOMIC ENVIRONMENT PILLAR.
THIS SLIDE SHOWS OUR ANTICIPATED TIMELINE FOR THIS YEAR'S COMPREHENSIVE PLAN MAINTENANCE REVIEW.
WE ANTICIPATE PRESENTING THE RECOMMENDATIONS FOR THE REGIONALISM PILLAR AND OTHER MISCELLANEOUS ACTIONS AT THE JULY P&Z MEETING, THAT WE WILL THEN POST THESE RECOMMENDATIONS ON OUR WEBSITE FOR PUBLIC REVIEW AHEAD OF THE PLAN AMENDMENT, PUBLIC HEARINGS AND THEN THE PUBLIC HEARING PROCESS IS ANTICIPATED TO BEGIN THIS LATE SUMMER.
STAFF IS AVAILABLE FOR ANY QUESTIONS.
SINCE MR. MCDONALD VOLUNTEERED TO BE HERE SO LATE THIS EVENING I'M GOING TO ASK HIM TO COME UP HERE, BECAUSE I KNOW I HAVE ONE QUESTION SOMEWHAT RELATED TO THE PLAN AND PERHAPS THE ROLE OF HIS DEPARTMENT IN IT.
SO WAS IT DRE TWO, WHERE WE NOW HAVE DEVELOPED AN ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT.
WHAT WAS THE LANGUAGE? STRATEGIC PLAN? YEAH, I THINK THERE'S TWO DEVELOPMENTS THERE AND THAT ARE DEVELOP AND DEVELOPMENT AND THAT KIND OF.
THAT'S YOUR JOB, RIGHT? THAT'S MY JOB. YES, SIR.
ALL RIGHT. CAN YOU GIVE US BRIEFLY JUST YOUR ROLE? AND WHAT DOES THAT LOOK LIKE? WHAT DOES THAT MEAN TO YOU IN TERMS OF IMPACT TO THE CITY?
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AND FROM OUR STANDPOINT, ANYTHING WE SHOULD BE AWARE OF, OF HOW THE DECISIONS WE MAKE IMPACT THAT ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT ASPECT? NO, I APPRECIATE IT. CHAIR I'M DOUG MCDONALD, DIRECTOR OF ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT.PRIORITIES FOR THE CITIES IN TERMS OF REDEVELOPMENT OR RECRUITMENT OF COMPANIES.
TO MY KNOWLEDGE, I'VE BEEN BACK HERE, THE CITY OF PLANO, FOR TWO YEARS.
WE DO NOT HAVE A STRATEGIC PLAN FOR THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT DEPARTMENT.
SO IT'S ONE OF THE THINGS I WOULD LIKE TO DO IS BE ABLE TO DO AN ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT STRATEGIC PLAN THAT GIVES US A FIVE YEAR OUTLOOK OF WHERE WE'RE GOING IN OUR ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT INITIATIVES AND ACTIONS.
THERE'S A NUMBER OF WIDE RANGE ACTIVITIES OUR ORGANIZATION IN THE DEPARTMENT IS DOING IN TERMS OF MOVING THE NEEDLE IN ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT PERSPECTIVE AND INITIATIVES THAT WE WANT TO START LOOKING AT IN FORMS, IN TERMS OF A STRATEGIC PLAN THAT GIVES US KIND OF SOME MEASURABLE OUTCOMES THE NEXT FIVE YEARS, TEN YEARS AND MOVING FORWARD.
AND WE REALLY SEE THIS SEAMLESSLY INTEGRATING INTO THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN WITH THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN IS REALLY THE UMBRELLA, GIVING BROADER DIRECTION TO OUR ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT STRATEGIC PLAN, WHICH GETS REALLY INTO THE WEEDS OF DOING SOME IMPACT ON WORKFORCE NEEDS, JOB NEEDS, COMPANY NEEDS AND SO FORTH.
SO APPRECIATE THE OPPORTUNITY TO BE HERE.
APPRECIATE THE OPPORTUNITY TO WORK WITH YOU ALL ON THIS.
AND HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.
CAN YOU ELABORATE JUST A BIT ON THE HISTORY OF THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT GROUP? BECAUSE AT ONE TIME THEY WERE SEPARATE FROM THE CITY, NOW THEY'RE INTEGRATED WITH IT.
OTHER LOCAL COMMUNITIES, I THINK, INTEGRATE THE CHAMBER WITH ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT.
CAN YOU GIVE US, AGAIN, JUST A BRIEF KIND OF THE DIFFERENT STRUCTURES THAT YOU MIGHT FIND, AND WHY IS IT BENEFICIAL THAT THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT GROUP IS PART OF THE CITY? SURE. SO THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT DEPARTMENT WAS CREATED IN 2006.
IT WAS ACTING FUNCTIONING PRIOR TO THAT AS AN ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT CORPORATION.
SO A LOT OF TIMES YOU'LL HEAR AN ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT DEPARTMENTS, YOU'LL HEAR CORPORATIONS.
AND THOSE ARE ESSENTIALLY KIND OF THE NON DART MEMBER CITIES.
SO FRISCO ALLEN MCKINNEY THEY PUT THEIR $0.01 THEIR SALES TAX TOWARDS ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT.
AND IT'S KIND OF A SEPARATE CORPORATION FROM THE CITY.
THEY HAVE A SEPARATE BOARD AND GROUP THAT MAKES RECOMMENDATIONS AND APPROVALS ON DEALS.
AND SO THAT'S ONE STRUCTURE IS THE CORPORATION SIDE OF THINGS.
AND MOST TIME YOU'LL SEE CORPORATIONS ARE NOT PART OF THE DART SYSTEM.
AND SO YOU'LL SEE KIND OF SOME DIFFERENCES THERE.
THERE IS A STRUCTURE SIMILAR RICHARDSON ONCE HAD ONE.
THEY JUST THEY HAVE JUST KIND OF DISSOLVED AND RESTRUCTURED, SIMILAR TO WHAT PLANO HAS.
AND SO THEY PROVIDE FUNDING TO THE CHAMBER OF COMMERCE.
IT'S A LARGE, MUCH BROADER ORGANIZATION AND STRUCTURE.
BUT THAT IS WHAT IRVING HAS DONE WITH THEIR KIND OF STRUCTURE OF IT.
DALLAS AND FORT WORTH HAVE JUST NOW DONE THOSE KIND OF BREAK UPS.
SO SOME OF THE TIMES, SOME OF THE YOU'LL SEE SOME OF THE ORGANIZATIONS THAT WILL BREAK APART AND ACTUALLY HAVE BOTH AN EDC AND A DEPARTMENT THAT ARE KIND OF DOING SOME SIMILAR ROLES, BUT HAVE BROKEN OFF FOR CERTAIN INSTANCES FOR ACQUISITION AND ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT PURPOSES.
WE ARE A TRADITIONAL DEPARTMENT OF THE CITY.
WE ARE FUNDED THROUGH A PORTION OF OUR PROPERTY TAX THAT COUNCIL ALLOCATED BACK IN 2006.
THERE'S A CAP NOW ON THAT IN TERMS OF THAT PROPERTY GROWTH, SINCE OUR $0.01 OF OUR SALES TAX CONTRIBUTION GOES TO DART COUNCIL WAS VERY FORWARD THINKING BACK IN 06 AND CREATED A FUND FOR US TO BE ABLE TO DIP INTO FOR ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT INITIATIVES.
SO WE'RE A UNIQUE SITUATION IN TERMS OF WE ACTUALLY HAVE FUNDING COMING IN FOR ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT PURPOSES, BUT WE FUNCTION AS A DEPARTMENT OF THE CITY AND SO WE ARE NOT A SEPARATE ENTITY LIKE A CORPORATION.
A BIG DIFFERENCE IS THAT IS THAT ALL OF OUR ITEMS GO TO CITY COUNCIL FOR APPROVAL.
THEY ALL GO THROUGH CITY COUNCIL.
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AND SO IN THAT INSTANCE, THINGS DO GO COUNCIL IS VERY MUCH AWARE OF ALL THE PROJECTS THAT ARE COMING BEFORE THEM, UNLIKE AN EDC WHERE THERE IS A SEPARATION OF THOSE, SOME OF THOSE POWERS. THANK YOU.ONE SUGGESTION ON THE PHRASING.
DEVELOP AND ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT THAT DEVELOP AND ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT TO ME IS PLUS STRONGER WOULD BE CREATE AND IMPLEMENT AN ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT STRATEGIC PLAN.
SO JUST A RECOMMENDATION ON THE ON THE VERBIAGE THERE.
MR. OLLEY. I DON'T KNOW IF THIS IS A QUESTION OR A COMMENT.
THE COMMON THEME, AND I'M NOT SPEAKING FOR MY CURRENT EMPLOYER.
THE COMMON THREAD I HAVE HEARD IS THAT NORTH TEXAS IN GENERAL DOES NOT HAVE THE DEPTH OF SKILL SET THAT WILL ATTRACT THE CORPORATE AND TECHNOLOGY COMPANIES THAT WE ARE AIMING FOR.
I WONDER IF I'M LOOKING AT THE JWD TWO ACTION ON REGULARLY ASSESS AND REPORT ON THE CITY'S WORKFORCE STRENGTHS AND CHALLENGES.
IF THERE'S SOME OKRS THAT WE ARE DEVELOPING THAT WE CAN START ALMOST MARKETING THE CITY THAT SHOWS THAT PLANO PERHAPS STANDS OUT FROM THE BROADER NORTH TEXAS CONVERSATION.
OUR ABILITY IN PARTNERSHIP WITH COLLIN COUNTY AND OTHER EDUCATIONAL SYSTEMS TO SIGNAL THAT WE HAVE THE DEPTH OF THE TALENT POOL THAT WILL DRAW THOSE COMPANIES HERE.
THANK YOU. AND I'LL JUST MAKE A QUICK COMMENT ON THAT.
THAT WE DO. THAT IS SOMETHING WE TAKE A LOOK AT.
ACTUALLY, IT BROUGHT YOU ALL SOME OF OUR MARKETING MATERIALS.
THOSE ARE OUR THREE LARGEST EMPLOYERS HERE IN THE CITY OF PLANO.
RIGHT NOW, WE'RE USING THINGS THAT WE CAN GET FROM APPLICATIONS AND FROM SOFTWARE THAT'S OUT THERE.
THE WORKFORCE HERE IN NORTH TEXAS IS WHAT'S REALLY DRIVING SOME OF THAT, THOSE DECISIONS.
YEAH. JUST A FEW COMMENTS AND THEN JUST A COUPLE REAL QUICK QUESTIONS.
FIRST OF ALL, REALLY IMPRESSED WITH YOUR YOUR PRESENTATION THERE.
YOU REALLY HELPED ME UNDERSTAND.
TO COMMISSIONER OLLEY'S POINT, I JUST WAS LOOKING THROUGH THE DECK HERE, AND IT SHOWS THAT WE HAD WENT FROM IN 2014, 98 TO 94% COMPLETION FOR THE CLASS OF 2023 IN PISD.
SO KIND OF TO WHAT YOU'RE SAYING THAT WE'RE STUMBLING A LITTLE BIT, BUT SOMETHING ELSE THAT JUMPED OUT OF THIS DECK THAT WAS CONCERNING TO ME, I THINK, IS THAT IN TERMS OF COLLEGE, WE WENT FROM 95% TO 70% OF PEOPLE ATTENDING COLLEGE.
IS THERE ANY STRONG SIGNIFICANCE TO THAT? IS THAT JUST WITH TEDX? YEAH, YEAH. SO THAT'S IN REFERENCE TO THE TEDX PROGRAM TED TALK THAT WE HOST HERE AT THE CITY OF PLANO.
SO THAT WAS AN INITIATIVE THAT WAS CREATED BY LEADERSHIP PLANO.
IT HAS KIND OF EVOLVED AND NOW IS FULLY FUNDED BY THE CITY.
OKAY. NOW WE DO WORK WITH KELLY AND HER TEAM, ESPECIALLY ON POTENTIAL SPEAKERS.
WE'RE TRYING MATTER OF FACT, AS THE CHAIR, I WANT TO SIT DOWN AND CHAT WITH YOU A LITTLE BIT.
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SURE. BECAUSE I THINK YOU COULD ADD CHAMBER IN THERE ALONG BUSINESSES AND STUFF ANYWAY.SO I'LL ASK MY QUESTION FOR ME.
WHAT'S A BUSINESS CLUSTER FROM YOUR PERSPECTIVE.
SURE. SO FOR EXAMPLE, I MEAN CAPITAL ONE COMING HERE BRINGING ALL THE TALENT IN FINANCIAL SERVICES, THAT WAS SOME OF THE RECRUITMENT THAT YOU SEE IN TERMS OF JP MORGAN COMING BEHIND IT. WE ALSO HAVE SOME FINTECH COMPANIES THAT ARE COMING IN BEHIND IT, SOME FINANCIAL SERVICES FINANCIAL TECHNOLOGY COMPANIES THAT ARE WANTING TO BE LOCATED NEAR THESE BIG CLUSTERING OF FINANCIAL SERVICES JOBS.
SUPPORT IT. THAT WANT TO BE AROUND THEM.
THEY CAN DRIVE OVER THERE AND TALK TO THEM.
AND SO WHEN WE SEE INTERNATIONAL COMPANIES COME HERE AND LAND HERE, YOU'LL SEE A FLURRY OF OTHER COMPANIES THAT COME AROUND THAT BECAUSE THEY WANT TO BE NEAR THE BIG HEADQUARTERS THAT ARE SUPPORTING THEM.
OKAY. YEAH. GREAT. FINAL QUESTION.
AND I'M JUST CURIOUS WHY I DON'T KNOW HOW MATERIAL IT IS, BUT IT JUMPED OUT AT ME THAT WE HAD 6% OF OUR ADULT CITIZENS YOU KNOW, INVOLVED IN CONTINUING ED.
AND THAT SEEMED TO BE CROSSED OUT OF THE NEW SUGGESTION.
YES. SO THAT PARTICULAR STATISTIC WE ACTUALLY JUST DON'T HAVE UPDATED INFORMATION ON.
I DON'T THINK THAT NUMBER REFLECTS TRADE SCHOOLS EITHER RIGHT.
SO WE LUMP THAT ALL TOGETHER AS 70%.
YEAH. OKAY. THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER TONG.
FIRST OF ALL, THERE WAS A SLIDE THAT REGARDING REDEVELOPMENT AND I OFFER REDEVELOPMENT.
I FEEL LIKE WE HAVE A LOT OF REAL ESTATE THAT PROBABLY NEED REDEVELOPMENT.
BUT WHAT DOES IT REALLY MEAN IN THIS DOCUMENT? DOES REDEVELOPMENT INCLUDE ANY OF RE NOT TEARING IT DOWN AND REBUILD FROM THE GROUND UP, BUT JUST DO MAYBE SOME FACE-LIFTING.
IS THAT CONSIDERED ALSO A PART OF REDEVELOPMENT? CERTAINLY. YEAH.
SO I THINK TYPICALLY WE CONSIDER REDEVELOPMENT AREAS LIKE A COLLIN CREEK OR AN ASSEMBLY PARK WHERE IT'S KIND OF A MAJOR OVERHAUL OF A SITE, BUT WE DEFINITELY HAVE INITIATIVES TOWARDS JUST REVITALIZATION OF EXISTING RETAIL CORNERS, COMMERCIAL CENTERS JUST TO HELP FILL IN SOME MAYBE VACANCY OF SPACES.
RIGHT. SO I WOULD PROBABLY BE MORE COMFORTABLE IF YOU PUT THAT REVITALIZATION WORD IN THERE, BECAUSE A LOT OF TIME REDEVELOPMENT MEANS LIKE WHAT YOU SAID, LIKE A OVERHAUL PROJECT, BUT REVITALIZATION WOULD PUT MORE ELEMENTS TO IT.
DID THEY JUST WANT TO MAYBE DO A FACELIFT, OR MAYBE THEY WANT TO, THE CITY TO BE ON THEIR PART TO HELP THEM WITH THE FACELIFT, REVITALIZATION AND TO COMPETE? BASICALLY, WE'RE SURROUNDED BY, YOU KNOW, FRISCO AND ALLEN AND MCKINNEY.
THEY HAD MORE LAND THAN WE TO DEVELOP.
SO THEY HAD NEWER BUILDINGS AND NEWER RETAIL CENTERS.
THE FOOD MAY NOT BE BETTER, BUT BECAUSE THE BUILDING LOOKS NEWER AND THE YOUNG PEOPLE WILL GO THERE.
YOUNG PEOPLE GO THERE JUST BECAUSE IT LOOKS PRETTIER.
YOU'RE GETTING TO USING LANGUAGE WITH POSITIVE CONNOTATION.
CORRECT. REVITALIZATION IS TAKE SOMETHING THAT'S DECENT AND MAKE IT BETTER.
CORRECT? CORRECT. SO I WOULD SUGGEST IF YOU CAN USE THAT, THAT WAS MY FIRST QUESTION.
THE SECOND QUESTION OR KIND OF A COMMENT IS REGARDING ABOUT THAT ACTUALLY MR. CARY COMMISSIONER CARY COMMENTED ABOUT THE CLUSTERING.
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SO WE WANT TO BRING MORE BUSINESS REGARDING TO RELATED TO CERTAIN SECTORS OF THE ECONOMY INTO OUR CITY.AND I WANTED TO ENCOURAGE OUR PROBABLY OUR PLANNER OR ECONOMIC.
I'M SORRY, WHAT'S YOUR NAME AGAIN? I'M DOUG. DOUG.
OKAY. WE PROBABLY NEED TO SIT DOWN AND TALK TOO.
BUT WE DO NOT HAVE THE ENVIRONMENT FOR LIKE FOR A LOT OF THE HIGH TECH COMPANIES LIKE THE SILICON VALLEY PROVIDES, BECAUSE I THINK THEY HAVE SOME KIND OF SYSTEM TO PROVIDE OR PROMOTE START UP COMPANIES.
THEY PROMOTE TECHNOLOGY COMPANIES OR PEOPLE TO COME THERE TO HAVE A START UP.
INCUBATOR. SO LIKE MAYBE AN INCUBATOR PROGRAM THAT WE CAN HAVE AS A CITY THAT WE CAN ENCOURAGE STARTUP COMPANIES SO THAT THEY WORK LITERALLY OUT OF THEIR GARAGES. RIGHT? THEY START TO START UP.
MAYBE WE CAN ATTRACT THEM TO COME HERE TO START THEIR COMPANY.
THEY DON'T HAVE TO STAY IN SILICON VALLEY.
I THINK WE CAN PROBABLY USE SOME OF THAT AND TO PUT INTO OUR PROGRAM.
MR. BROUNOFF. THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN. THANK YOU FOR YOUR PRESENTATION.
I'M OBVIOUSLY YOU'VE BEEN LOOKING INTO THIS IN A GREAT DEAL OF DETAIL, AND I GATHER THE OVERALL IMPETUS OF YOUR REPORT IS THE CITY WANTS TO BECOME MORE PROACTIVE IN ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT THAN IT HAS BEEN IN THE PAST, WHICH I APPLAUD.
WITH REGARD TO YOUR COMMENT THAT CITIES WHO ARE NOT MEMBERS OF DART, INCLUDING ALLEN AND MCKINNEY AND FRISCO, USE THEIR EXTRA 1% SALES TAX FOR ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT? I JUST WANT TO POINT OUT THAT, YOU KNOW, PLANO AS A DART MEMBER CITY COLLECTS THE EXTRA 1% SALES TAX SPECIFICALLY FOR MASS TRANSIT. WHICH ITSELF IS, I THINK, AN ENGINE FOR ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT.
OKAY. AND THEREFORE I THINK THAT THE REPORT SHOULD INCLUDE A REFERENCE TO FINDING WAYS TO CAPITALIZE AND BUILD ON THE PRESENCE OF MASS TRANSIT IN THE CITY OF PLANO FOR ITS POSITIVE EFFECT ON STIMULATING ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT.
OKAY. BECAUSE I THINK, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE THE RED LINE.
WE HAVE THE ORANGE LINE. THE SILVER LINE IS ON THE WAY.
MORE PEOPLE COMMUTE INTO PLANO NOW TO WORK THAN COMMUTE OUT OF PLANO TO GO TO WORK.
THAT'S SOMETHING WE SHOULD BUILD ON.
AND I THINK THE REPORT SHOULD REFERENCE THAT.
AND STIMULATE ACTION IN THAT DIRECTION.
THANK YOU. YOU GOT LOTS OF FEEDBACK, MORE THAN YOU WANTED, PROBABLY.
PARDON? I'LL SEE YOU TOMORROW MORNING.
THAT'S RIGHT. IT'S VIRTUAL NOW.
BUT. YES, I'LL SEE YOU TOMORROW MORNING.
OKAY. ITEM SIX, HERITAGE COMMISSION.
[6. Discussion: 2024 Heritage Preservation Plan – Receive a presentation on the 2024 Heritage Preservation Plan. Project #DI2024-010.]
THANK YOU FOR YOUR PATIENCE.DISCUSSION 2024 HERITAGE PRESERVATION PLAN.
RECEIVE A PRESENTATION ON THE 2024 HERITAGE PRESERVATION PLAN.
GOOD EVENING, CHAIR AND COMMISSION MEMBERS.
MY NAME IS BHAVESH MITTAL, HERITAGE PRESERVATION OFFICER.
ANYWAYS, I'LL MAKE IT REAL QUICK.
I'M HERE TONIGHT TO JUST GIVE YOU AN UPDATE OF A RECENT HERITAGE PRESERVATION PLAN THAT WAS APPROVED BY THE CITY COUNCIL.
UNANIMOUS APPROVAL. SO HERITAGE PRESERVATION PLAN IS SOMETHING THAT YOU GUYS ARE FAMILIAR WITH.
SO, AGAIN, THE FIRST PLAN WAS ADOPTED IN 1981.
THE LAST PLAN THAT YOU SEE QUITE FAMILIAR, PROBABLY YOU ALL ARE WAS ADOPTED IN 2018.
WE CALL THIS PRESERVATION PLANO 150, CELEBRATING THE 150 PLANO 150 BIRTHDAY THAT HAPPENED LAST YEAR.
SO NOW IT'S TIME TO UPDATE THE PRESERVATION PLAN.
AS THE COMP PLAN SAYS, THIS PLAN NEEDS TO BE UPDATED EVERY FIVE YEARS.
AND THAT'S WHAT WE HAVE DONE THIS YEAR.
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PLACE. SO IT WAS DONE BY CONSULTANT, LOTS OF EFFORT AND TIME PUT IN.SO THIS YEAR AROUND, WE DID THE UPDATE IN-HOUSE AND USED EXISTING 2018 PLAN STRUCTURE TO MAKE THE UPDATES BECAUSE MOST OF THE UPDATES WERE ADMINISTRATIVE UPDATES APART FROM ONE PARTICULAR CHAPTER THAT'S ASSOCIATED WITH THE SURVEY OF THE PROPERTIES THAT I'M GOING TO TALK ABOUT IN DETAIL IN THE SLIDE.
AGAIN, VERY ADMINISTRATIVE UPDATES.
YOU KNOW HOW MANY PEOPLE ATTENDED THE PUBLIC MEETINGS ASSOCIATED WITH THIS PLAN DEVELOPMENT MEETING AND SOME OF THE ACCOMPLISHMENTS THAT THE HERITAGE PRESERVATION PLAN HAS DONE IN THE LAST FIVE YEARS.
IT JUST ACKNOWLEDGES THOSE THINGS IN CHAPTER ONE CHAPTER TWO, NOT MUCH UPDATES.
IN FACT, THE CITY COUNCIL DID A VIDEO USING THIS TIMELINE TO CELEBRATE THE 150 BIRTHDAY LAST YEAR.
SO WE UPDATED THIS TIMELINE TO JUST ADD WHAT HAPPENED IN THE LAST FIVE YEARS.
AGAIN, JUST PICKING UP SOME MAJOR THINGS, LIKE COLLIN REDEVELOPMENT, YOU KNOW, OF COURSE, WE WENT THROUGH THE PANDEMIC 150 BIRTHDAY CELEBRATION, SILVER LINE WORK STARTING AND THINGS LIKE THAT.
CHAPTER FOUR TALKS ABOUT THE CURRENT PRESERVATION PROGRAM IN PLANO AGAIN, GIVES YOU AN OVERVIEW OF WHAT'S BEEN HAPPENING OR WHAT ARE THE INCENTIVES THAT WE OFFER.
WHAT ARE THE PROGRAMS? SO ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE HIGHLIGHT OVER HERE IS, YOU KNOW, ANY NEW DESIGNATIONS THAT HAVE HAPPENED IN THE PAST.
SO THIS CAME TO YOU ALL LAST YEAR.
IT'S OFFICIALLY A DESIGNATED HERITAGE RESOURCE.
THE LAST PLAN. SO WE AGAIN JUST UPDATE NEW DESIGNATIONS IN THIS CHAPTER.
CHAPTER FIVE. SO THIS IS THE CHAPTER THAT HAS THE MOST SUBSTANTIAL UPDATE IN THE PLAN, BECAUSE ONE OF THE MAIN REQUIREMENTS OF WHEN YOU UPDATE THE PRESERVATION PLAN IS TO GO BACK AND SURVEY THE PROPERTIES THAT ARE GETTING 50 YEARS OF AGE.
SO 50 YEARS IS THE NATIONAL NORM FOR ANY PROPERTY TO BE HISTORIC.
SO WE FOLLOW HERE IN PLANO, FOLLOW THE NATIONAL NORM.
THE 50 ANY PROPERTY HAS TO BE AT LEAST 50 YEARS OF AGE.
IN ADDITION TO THE ADDITIONAL CRITERIA'S WE HAVE IN PLACE.
SO THIS TIME AROUND, WE SURVEYED THE PROPERTIES THAT WERE BUILT BETWEEN 70 AND 75.
NOW, SURELY WE STAFF CANNOT DO IT.
SO WE HIRED A CONSULTANT TO DO THIS INCORPORATED FROM AUSTIN THE SAME CONSULTANT WHO DID THE SAME SURVEY FIVE YEARS BACK IN 2018. SO BASED ON THOSE SURVEY RESULTS AND PUBLIC MEETINGS THIS CHAPTER UPDATES WHAT WE CALL AS A POTENTIAL HERITAGE RESOURCES. MEANING IT POPULATES A LIST OF PROPERTIES OR DISTRICTS THAT ARE OR THAT COULD BE ELIGIBLE TO BECOMING HISTORIC IN FUTURE. NOW IT'S STRICTLY A LIST.
THIS DOES NOT, YOU KNOW, IMPOSE ANY REGULATIONS.
IT DOES NOT CALL THEM HISTORIC.
THAT'S WHY WE USE THE POTENTIAL.
SO BASED ON THE SURVEY FINDINGS THERE WERE TEN NEW PROPERTIES THAT WERE IDENTIFIED WHICH HAD THE POTENTIAL TO BECOME HERITAGE PROPERTY IN FUTURE IF THE OWNER CHOOSES TO APPLY.
SO THAT MADE A TOTAL OF 24 INDIVIDUAL PHRS.
IT ALSO IDENTIFIED FOUR NEW DISTRICTS THAT I'M GOING TO SHOW YOU IN A MINUTE.
FOUR NEW NEIGHBORHOODS THAT ARE ELIGIBLE TO BECOME A HISTORIC DISTRICT.
PLANO HAS TWO HISTORIC DISTRICTS, THE DOWNTOWN AND THE HAGGARD PARK.
SO THIS PLAN IDENTIFIED FOUR NEW AREAS THAT COULD POTENTIALLY BECOME A HISTORIC DISTRICT.
OF COURSE, WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD, YOU KNOW, APPLYING AND GOING THROUGH THE DESIGNATION PROCESS, WHICH GOES THROUGH A FORMAL APPLICATION THROUGH HERITAGE COMMISSION P&Z, AND THEN THE CITY COUNCIL. A NEW COMPONENT IN THIS PLAN IS A NEIGHBORHOOD CONSERVATION DISTRICT.
SO THIS IS A NEW TOOL THAT PLANO ADOPTED BACK IN 2020.
AGAIN, IT WENT THROUGH YOU ALL TO IT'S A ZONING TOOL IN PLACE.
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DISTRICT. I'M GOING TO TALK ABOUT IN A MINUTE.SO AGAIN, THESE ARE SOME OF THE DISTRICTS THAT WERE FOUND ELIGIBLE FOR POTENTIAL HISTORIC DISTRICTS LIKE THE SOUTHWOOD HAGGARD ADDITION, PARK FOREST NEIGHBORHOOD, BRIARWOOD THAT WAS IDENTIFIED LAST TIME GOT EXPANDED.
THE AREA CIRCLED IN THAT BLUE DASH SQUARE IS THE PROPOSED ADDITION TO THE BRIARWOOD DISTRICT.
THERE ARE THE NEIGHBORHOODS THAT ARE ELIGIBLE FOR POTENTIAL HISTORIC DISTRICT DESIGNATION.
THE GREEN AREAS ARE SOME OF THE AREAS THAT REQUIRE MORE RESEARCH.
SO, YOU KNOW, WE NEED TO GO BACK AND ACCESS THESE AREAS AND DO RESEARCH.
SO WE HAVE IDENTIFIED AS MORE RESEARCH REQUIRED.
SO NEXT TIME AROUND, WHEN WE DO THE UPDATE AGAIN, WE'LL GO BACK AND LOOK AT THESE AREAS.
SO I'M GOING TO TALK ABOUT THE NEIGHBOR CONSERVATION DISTRICT, THE NEW TOOL, WHICH I THINK IS SOMETHING THAT PROBABLY YOU GUYS WILL BE INVOLVED IF AND WHEN WE GET A NEW APPLICATION OR IF SOME NEIGHBORHOOD WANTS TO GO FOR THIS PARTICULAR DESIGNATION.
SO WHAT IS A NEIGHBORHOOD CONSERVATION DISTRICT? IT'S KIND OF A IN GENERAL, YOU CAN CALL IT AS A LIGHT HISTORIC DISTRICT MEANING IT'S MORE ABOUT THE NEIGHBORHOOD THAN INDIVIDUAL PROPERTIES.
IT PRESERVES THE GENERAL CHARACTER AND VISUAL APPEARANCE OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
SO THE FOCUS IS MORE ON THE NEIGHBORHOOD CHARACTERISTICS RATHER THAN INDIVIDUAL BUILDINGS.
IT STRAIGHTAWAY GOES TO BUILDING INSPECTIONS.
IF THERE'S AN ARCHITECTURAL MODEL, YES, IT REQUIRES HERITAGE COMMISSION REVIEW APPROVAL.
ANOTHER UNIQUE THING ABOUT THESE, THIS TOOL IS IT DOES NOT RESTRICT DEMOLITION.
AND THERE ARE CERTAIN CRITERIAS THAT THEY NEED TO MEET AND THINGS LIKE THAT.
UNFORTUNATELY, WE DON'T HAVE ANY FINANCIAL INCENTIVES.
SO AS YOU SEE, WE HAVE TWO EXISTING HISTORIC DISTRICTS AS OF NOW.
BUT WE DON'T HAVE ANY NEIGHBORHOOD CONSERVATION DISTRICTS YET.
BUT THIS PLAN AT LEAST TELLS THE NEIGHBORHOODS THAT, YOU KNOW, THESE NEIGHBORHOODS ARE ELIGIBLE.
SO, YOU KNOW, THE NEIGHBORS CAN COME TOGETHER AND, YOU KNOW, AGAIN, PREVENT THIS FROM HAPPENING BY KIND OF A GOING FOR THE NEIGHBORHOOD CONSERVATION DISTRICT AND KIND OF A, YOU KNOW, LOOK AT THESE ASPECTS.
AND AGAIN, THE WAYS ENCLOSED LOOKS VERY, VERY INCOMPATIBLE.
SO WHEN YOU START TO SEE THIS HAPPENING IN YOUR NEIGHBORHOOD AGAIN, YOU KNOW, TO PREVENT THESE KIND OF INCOMPATIBLE ALTERATIONS, THEY COULD ESSENTIALLY LOOK TO THIS ZONING TOOL AND BECOME A NEIGHBORHOOD CONSERVATION DISTRICT, WHICH, YOU KNOW, THEY CAN CONTROL THESE KIND OF THINGS RATHER THAN, YOU KNOW, BECOMING A HISTORIC DISTRICT WHERE YOU REQUIRE MORE REGULATIONS, MORE REVIEW AND THINGS LIKE THAT.
SO BASED ON THE SURVEY FINDINGS ALL THESE AREAS THAT WERE IDENTIFIED, THESE KIND OF BLUE AREAS WERE FOUND ELIGIBLE FOR A NEIGHBOR CONSERVATION DISTRICT. THERE WERE TOTAL 34 DISTRICTS THAT WERE FOUND ELIGIBLE FOR POTENTIAL NEIGHBOR CONSERVATION DISTRICTS LISTINGS, LARGELY BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, AGAIN, BACK IN
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70-75, PLANO WAS KNOWN FOR FOLLOWING SET OF DEVELOPMENT REGULATIONS THAT WE HAVE IN PLACE CONSISTENT SETBACKS, CONSISTENT HEIGHTS AND THINGS LIKE THAT.SO THE WAY WE HAVE THE NEIGHBORHOOD CONSERVATION DISTRICT CRITERIA IN PLACE, AGAIN, SINCE IT WAS A NEW TOOL, WE HAVE A VERY KIND OF A NOT STRINGENT CRITERIA TO BEGIN WITH.
SO THAT'S ONE OF THE RECOMMENDATIONS THE CONSULTANT SAID IS MOVING FORWARD.
SO WE JUST WANT ONE NEIGHBOR TO COME FORWARD AND GO WITH THIS DESIGNATION.
SO WE CAN SHOW AN EXAMPLE HOW THIS CAN BE SUCCESSFUL TOOL FOR THE NEIGHBORS TO USE.
AGAIN, THE PLAN KIND OF GIVES ALSO A LIST LIKE THIS.
IT IDENTIFIES UNDER WHAT CRITERIA THEY MEET, WHAT CRITERIA, WHAT MODEL.
AND KIND OF GIVES THE NUMBER OF SUBDIVISIONS IN EACH OF THE DISTRICTS.
THEN THE CHAPTER SIX IS THE KIND OF A CRUX OF THE DOCUMENT WHICH TALKS ABOUT THE ISSUES AND RECOMMENDATIONS, SETS THE GOALS AND POLICIES, AGAIN, BASED ON WHAT WE HAD LAST TIME, THERE'S NOT ANY SIGNIFICANT CHANGES.
I THINK A LOT OF POLICY SURVEY POLICIES AND ACTION ITEMS ARE IN GOOD SHAPE OVERALL.
WE KIND OF JUST ADDED FIVE NEW ACTIONS TO THIS OVERALL CHAPTER.
AGAIN, THEY WERE COMING OUT DIRECTLY FROM THE SURVEY RECOMMENDATIONS THAT THE CONSULTANT DID.
THEN WE TAKE THIS RECOMMENDATIONS AND PUT IT IN THE FORM OF A MATRIX.
SO THIS GIVES YOU AN IDEA OF, YOU KNOW, WHAT ACTION ITEMS NEED TO BE COMPLETED IN, LIKE, LET'S SAY, NEXT COUPLE OF YEARS OR THREE YEARS TIME FRAME, IN FIVE YEARS.
AND FIVE NEW ACTION ITEMS HAVE BEEN ADDED TO THE SEVEN COMPONENTS OF THE PLAN.
APPENDIX B AGAIN TALKS ABOUT IS THE SURVEY REPORT, THE CONSULTANTS REPORT THAT GIVES YOU ALL THE BACKGROUND INFORMATION LEADING UP TO THEIR RECOMMENDATIONS OF THE POTENTIAL HISTORIC DISTRICT OR POTENTIAL HERITAGE RESOURCES AND NEIGHBORHOOD CONSERVATION DISTRICTS.
SO, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE SURVEYED THE PROPERTIES BETWEEN 1945 AND 75.
AND, AGAIN, IT REQUIRES TO UPDATE THIS PLAN EVERY FIVE YEARS.
AND THIS NEW NCD LISTINGS WILL HOPEFULLY ASSIST IN IDENTIFYING AND EDUCATING PROPERTY OWNERS TO KIND OF EXPLORE THIS TOOL AND COME FORWARD WITH USING THIS TOOL TO GET IT DESIGNATED.
AGAIN, IT PROVIDES THE SUPPORT FOR THE CITY'S HERITAGE PRESERVATION PROGRAM FOR YEARS TO COME.
AND THAT WRAPS UP MY PRESENTATION.
I'LL BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.
I'M GOING TO LAST TIME I STARTED THAT DIRECTION.
SO I'M GOING TO START THIS DIRECTION.
COME AROUND. WELL MR. BROUNOFF. WELL, THANK YOU FOR YOUR PRESENTATION AGAIN.
THE STAFF HAS BEEN HARD AT WORK, AND WE APPRECIATE THAT.
SO IT'S NOT LIKE WE'RE BEING ASKED TO TO ALTER IT OR PASS ON IT.
THE ONLY THOUGHT I HAD WAS WITH YOUR PROPOSAL FOR A NEIGHBORHOOD CONSERVATION AREAS.
SO, YES, IT HAD BEEN SURVEYED IN THE PAST.
SO I THINK IT IS CURRENTLY NOT ON ANY OF THE LIST.
AND THE REASON BEING THERE HAVE BEEN A LOT OF RECONSTRUCTIONS THAT HAVE HAPPENED.
SO ONE OF THE THINGS THAT YOU LOOK FOR THINGS THAT ARE ELIGIBLE THAT MEETS THE CRITERIA IS, YOU KNOW, ARE THE ORIGINAL STRUCTURES INTACT? SO A LOT OF STRUCTURES IN DOUGLAS NEIGHBORHOOD HAVE BEEN, YOU KNOW, DEMOLISHED AND RECONSTRUCTED.
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THAT WE DO IN THE LAST YEAR.SO AS OF NOW, IT'S NOT ON THE PHR LIST.
OKAY. AND I'LL ADD TO THAT THAT THERE IS A SPECIFIC SPECIAL ZONING DISTRICT CALLED GENERAL RESIDENTIAL THAT APPLIES ONLY TO THE DOUGLAS NEIGHBORHOOD AND HAS SPECIFIC STANDARDS IN IT THAT ARE SOMEWHAT PRESERVED THE CHARACTER OF THAT NEIGHBORHOOD PORCHES, THINGS LIKE THAT.
IT'S A NEIGHBORHOOD EMPOWERMENT ZONE AS WELL.
THANK YOU, CHAIRMAN. AND ALSO THANK YOU FOR THE PRESENTATION.
I THOUGHT IT WAS VERY HELPFUL, VERY INFORMATIONAL.
AND ALSO SEEM TO BE A LOT OF WORK.
THANK YOU. AGAIN, I FEEL LIKE IF IT'S ALREADY BEEN PASSED.
WE NOT WE DON'T HAVE A SAY TO IT.
I GUESS WE DON'T GET TO PUT ANY INPUT IN THERE.
MY COMMENTS IS I WAS SURPRISED TO SEE THAT ALL THE BUILDINGS ARE SOME OF THEM MAYBE LESS THAN 50 YEAR OLD ALREADY PUT INTO THE PRESERVE THE HERITAGE LIST, WHATEVER THAT IS.
I FEEL LIKE WE'RE PROBABLY ALL OLDER THAN THAT.
AND WE SHOULD BE ON THE PRESERVE LIST TOO.
I'M SORRY. IT'S JUST BECAUSE I'M FROM CHINA.
IN CHINA, IF YOU'RE NOT MORE THAN 500 YEARS OLD, YOU'RE NOT CONSIDERED OLD.
I THINK THAT'S VERY YOUNG TO BE PRESERVED.
ANYWAY, SO THE NEXT COMMENT I WANT TO SAY IS THAT I DON'T SEE THE REASONS WHY.
AND I'VE SEEN CITIES LIKE HIGHLAND PARK, YOU KNOW PRESTON HOLLOW.
YOU KNOW, ALL THESE OLD CITIES SURROUND DALLAS IN THE PAST 50 YEARS, THEY ALL GOT MANSIONIZED BECAUSE THE SCARCITY OF THE REAL ESTATE TO BUILD.
AND EVENTUALLY, IF THEY GET TO BE, YOU KNOW, VALUABLE, THE ONLY WAY PEOPLE CAN DO IS TURN THEIR TINY LITTLE 1500 SQUARE FEET HOUSE AND BUILD TWO STORIES, BECOME MAYBE 2800 AND MAYBE 500, MAYBE 400.
THEIR YARD IS GETTING SMALLER AND SMALLER.
BUT WHAT THEY HAD, YOU KNOW, BIG YARDS 50 YEARS AGO.
SO I THINK EVENTUALLY THAT MIGHT BE HELPFUL TO THE CITY TO DEVELOP OR TO HAVE FAMILIES WITH CHILDREN TO LIVE IN, BECAUSE RIGHT NOW WE'RE ALL THE SMALL HOUSES IN THE OLDER NEIGHBORHOOD.
THEY ALL LIVE WITH, YOU KNOW, MAYBE OLDER FAMILIES.
AND WHEN THEY MOVE OUT, THEY HAVE YOUNG FAMILIES COME IN.
THEY MAY NEED MORE ROOMS, THEY MAY NEED TO BE MANSIONIZED.
I MEAN, I'M NOT SURE WHAT MANSIONIZED REALLY MEANS.
MAYBE IT'S JUST MORE SQUARE FOOTAGE.
MAYBE THEY NEED A SECOND STORY.
I REALLY DON'T SEE WHY WE HAVE TO PREVENT IT FROM HAPPENING.
BUT THERE'S NO SAYING TO IT FROM US, I GUESS.
YOU KNOW, IT'S ALREADY APPROVED.
I JUST DON'T SEE WHY WE HAVE TO PREVENT IT FROM HAPPENING.
THANK YOU, MR. CARY. I DO HAVE SOME COMMENTS.
I GUESS I'LL START JUST BY KIND OF PIGGYBACKING ON WHAT COMMISSIONER TONG SAID.
I CERTAINLY UNDERSTAND THE HERITAGE PART OF IT.
I'M A LITTLE SURPRISED BY THE NCD.
AND WHEN I LOOKED AT THE MAP, I MIGHT HAVE BEEN EVEN MORE SURPRISED.
DO YOU KNOW WHAT PERCENT OF THE CITY IS TARGETED FOR NCD, POTENTIALLY? BECAUSE IT LOOKED LIKE A LOT.
SO UNLIKE THE HERITAGE CRITERIA WHERE WE HAVE 50 YEARS OR OLDER.
BUT DO YOU KNOW WHAT PERCENTAGE OF THE CITY WAS ON YOUR MAP UP THERE? JUST ROUGHLY. I MEAN I DON'T KNOW THE EXACT PERCENTAGE, BUT I KNOW YOU KNOW, THE AMOUNT OF NEIGHBORHOODS WE SURVEYED WAS ALMOST 50.
AND SO, YOU KNOW, I GUESS WE'D HAVE TO DEFINE THAT.
BUT IT SEEMS TO ME THE NCD MIGHT BE STEPPING ON THE TOES OF HOAS, AND I LOOK AT PROPERTY RIGHTS.
I KNOW YOU'RE GOING TO AGREE WITH ME ON PROPERTY RIGHTS.
[LAUGHTER] AND SO I START LOOKING AND I BUY A HOUSE, AND THEN SOMEHOW THIS NEW DEFINITION COMES IN, AND THERE SEEMS TO BE NOW A LOT OF CRITERIA AROUND WHAT I MAY OR MAY NOT BE ABLE TO DO WITH MY PROPERTY AFTER THE FACT.
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AND SO THAT'S A LITTLE CONFUSING TO ME.I WONDER HOW IT ALL GETS ENFORCED.
AND SO I GUESS THIS NCD IS APPROVED BY THE COUNCIL, BUT IT SEEMS SOMEWHAT AMORPHOUS TO ME.
AND THEN, YOU KNOW, THE EXAMPLE YOU GAVE FOR A CLOSED IN GARAGE.
I MEAN, CAN I JUST CLOSE IN MY GARAGE WITHOUT ANY PERMIT ANYWAY? I MEAN, I CAN'T DO THAT, CAN I? I HONESTLY DON'T KNOW THE ANSWER TO THAT.
I'D HAVE TO GET BACK TO YOU. [LAUGHTER] YOU KNOW WHAT I WAS GOING TO I HAVE TO SAY SOMETHING.
AND SO I FEEL SO GOOD THAT I STUMPED YOU.
ERIC, YOU DO NEED A BUILDING PERMIT FOR YOUR GARAGE TO ENCLOSE THAT.
I JUST WANT TO PROVIDE A LITTLE COUPLE COMMENTS.
I APPRECIATE BOTH OF YOUR COMMENTS ON THIS.
I THINK, YOU KNOW, THE NCD PROGRAM THAT THE CITY HAS CREATED, IT'S A PROPERTY OWNER.
IT'S A NEIGHBORHOOD LED PROGRAM, RIGHT? IT'S AN OPTION FOR THEIR NEIGHBORHOOD IF THERE ARE CHARACTERISTICS, THINGS THAT THEY WANT TO PROTECT IN THEIR NEIGHBORHOOD, THEN THEY CAN REQUEST THIS DISTRICT.
AND WE'RE NOT GOING TO REQUEST THESE.
IT'S AT THE NEIGHBORHOOD HAS THINGS THAT THEY LOVE ABOUT IT, SUCH AS THE SIZES OF THEIR HOUSES IF THEY WANT TO PREVENT THINGS LIKE OUT OF SCALE ADDITIONS, WHICH SOME PEOPLE WANT TO PREVENT THAT IN THEIR NEIGHBORHOOD, THEN THEY COULD COME IN AND, YOU KNOW, ADOPT AN NCD, WHICH WOULD CREATE A RESTRICTION.
IT REQUIRES A CERTAIN NUMBER OF PROPERTY OWNERS TO AGREE TO THAT IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
SO IT'S REALLY A NEIGHBORHOOD PROPERTY OWNER LED INITIATIVE.
THE CITY IS NOT COMING IN AND DOING THIS FOR THEM.
WE'RE NOT INITIATING WHAT WE'RE DOING IS REALLY JUST GIVING THEM A TOOL TO USE IF THEY TELLING THEM THEY'RE ELIGIBLE.
YEAH, BUT WHAT YOU GUYS SAID IS YOU'RE LOOKING FOR PEOPLE TO STEP UP TO THIS PROGRAM.
SO SO YOU ARE AND YOU'RE LOOKING FOR THIS.
BUT WHAT I WANT TO SAY IS THIS I'M SUPER UNCOMFORTABLE WITH THIS.
IT SEEMS TO ME, YOU KNOW, OKAY, WE GET IF YOU WILL, I'M GOING TO USE INFLAMMATORY LANGUAGE HERE, BUT YOU GET A MOB INSIDE A NEIGHBORHOOD, AND NOW A COUPLE GUYS CAN'T DO THINGS WITH THEIR HOUSE. I DON'T KNOW, I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE TRYING TO ACCOMPLISH.
I THINK HOA'S AND KEEPING IT OUT OF THE CITY PURVIEW I WOULD BE MORE COMFORTABLE WITH.
SO THAT'S ALL I'LL SAY. I MADE MY COMMENTS AND I JUST WANT TO CLARIFY ONE THING.
SO IT'S NOT AGAINST CITY, YOU KNOW, IF THE NEIGHBORHOOD WOULD JUST WANT TO REGULATE THE HEIGHT TO MAKE SURE NOBODY IS, YOU KNOW, IF THERE IS A LIKE, PARK FOREST NEIGHBORHOOD, MOST OF THE STRUCTURES ARE 1 OR 2 STORIES, YOU KNOW, SO THE NEIGHBORHOOD WOULD WANT TO COME BACK AND BECOME AN NCD AND PUT DOWN IN THERE THINGS, NOBODY CAN BUILD A FOUR STORY BUILDING OVER THERE.
SO THESE ARE THE THINGS THAT THE NEIGHBORHOOD, YOU KNOW, DICTATES WHAT THEY WANT TO PUT DOWN FOR PROPERTY OWNERS OR DEVELOPERS TO BE ABLE TO DO OR NOT TO DO AND KIND OF GO FROM THERE.
SO AGAIN, YOU KNOW, WE ARE NOT KIND OF COMING UP WITH THESE, SO TO SAY, DESIGN STANDARDS.
THE NEIGHBORHOOD COMES BACK AND PREPARES THEIR OWN NEIGHBORHOOD CONSERVATION PLAN.
AND THEN WE KIND OF TAKE IT THERE AND HELP THEM GO THROUGH THE PROCESS.
I TOTALLY UNDERSTAND, I JUST I LIED.
I HAVE TWO MORE COMMENTS. SO ONE THING IS WHO ENFORCES THIS ULTIMATELY.
AND MY UNCOMFORTABLENESS WITH THIS IS IF I MOVE INTO A NEIGHBORHOOD AND I SIGN UP FOR AN HOA OR AN NCD OR ANY OF THAT, AND I SIGN UP FOR THAT AND I MOVE IN, SO BE IT.
I THINK YOU'RE GOING TO FIND A COMMON THREAD.
THE NCD FEELS LIKE A BACKDOOR HOA.
I PAINTED MY HOUSE RECENTLY A DISTINCT COLOR.
THE MARKET WILL JUDGE IF I'M OUT OF WHACK WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD, BUT GIVEN AN AVENUE TO AFTER THE FACT, IMPOSE POWER WITHIN A MAJORITY OR A COLLECTION OF SOME SORTS ON WHAT I CAN DO WITH MY HOUSE DOES NOT SOUND LIKE THE RIGHT WAY TO GO.
ONE, TWO. IT SEEMS TO GO CONTRARY TO WHAT I THINK OF THE GUIDING PRINCIPLE FOR PLANO 2050 IS WHICH ALMOST HANDCUFFS ESTABLISHED NEIGHBORHOODS FROM THE ABILITY TO MORPH TO ACCOMMODATE WHAT HOUSING NEEDS WOULD LOOK LIKE IN THE FUTURE.
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FORWARD A DEVELOPMENT PLAN.I DON'T THINK THAT'S THE RIGHT WAY TO GO.
BUT A REVISIT AND AN UPDATE IN FIVE YEARS TO REMOVE THAT PROBABLY IS MADE ABOUT THE HISTORIC DISTRICTS THAT WE HAVE TODAY.
HOMES IN HAGGARD PARK MAY HAVE BEEN DEMOLISHED IF WE DIDN'T HAVE HISTORIC DISTRICTS.
THIS IS NOT WHAT WE'RE SAYING HERE.
THIS IS NOT A HISTORIC DISTRICT.
THIS IS AN OPTION FOR NEIGHBORHOODS.
IF ALL THEY LIKE IS THEY ALL HAVE BAY WINDOWS.
THAT'S THE CHARACTER OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
MAYBE 35 YEARS, AS THE NEIGHBORHOOD IS NOT QUITE A HISTORIC LEVEL, BUT IT HAS A LOT OF HOMES THAT YOU CAN TELL ARE GOING TO BE A THE CHARACTER OF THIS NEIGHBORHOOD IS GOING TO BE IMPORTANT TO THE FUTURE OF THAT CITY SOMEDAY.
HELPS THEM BRIDGE THE GAP FROM HAVING TOO MANY DEMOLITIONS WHERE YOU SEE.
RIGHT NOW IN PLANO, IF YOU LOOK AT THE NEIGHBORHOODS CLOSEST TO THE DOWNTOWN AREA, THOSE THAT ARE BUILT IN THE 50S OR 60S, THEY'RE GOING THROUGH THIS RIGHT NOW WHERE THEY'RE GETTING SCRAPED AND STARTING OVER, AND YOU'RE SEEING HOMES THAT ARE INCOMPATIBLE FROM ONE LOT TO THE NEXT.
WE'VE LIVED HERE FOR A LONG TIME.
WE DON'T THINK THIS IS A GOOD DIRECTION FOR OUR NEIGHBORHOOD.
THIS GIVES THEM A TOOL TO PREVENT THAT IF THEY WANT TO WHAT YOU MIGHT SEE IN THE NEIGHBORHOODS THAT ARE 70S AND 80S RIGHT NOW IS FLIPS, RIGHT? WE'RE HAVING LOTS OF FLIPPED HOUSES.
THE NEXT STEP BEYOND THAT IT'S COMING IS SCRAPE AND START OVER.
AND SO THAT HISTORIC BEDROOM COMMUNITY OF PLANO, THE 50, 60S, 70S ERA OF PLANO IS WHAT'S COMING INTO THIS UMBRELLA OF NEIGHBORHOOD CONSERVATION DISTRICT.
AND THAT MARKET PRESSURE, LIKE YOU'RE SAYING, MIGHT FLIP THESE HOMES.
I DON'T THINK THE CITY IS TARGETING NEIGHBORHOOD CONSERVATION DISTRICTS FOR ANY OF THESE, BUT THERE MIGHT BE A FEW REALLY JEWEL NEIGHBORHOODS IN THE CITY THAT MEET THESE QUALIFICATIONS AND ALLOW THEM TO MAKE THAT CLOSE, THAT GAP SO THEY MAY COULD BECOME A HISTORIC DISTRICT.
THE HISTORIC DISTRICT I READ AS CITY LED.
RIGHT. THE CITY IS SAYING I WANT TO PRESERVE X THIS NEIGHBORHOOD CONSERVATIVE DISTRICT IS NEIGHBORHOOD LED AND THAT'S MY DISCOMFORT, RIGHT? IF THE CITY WANTS TO PRESERVE CHARACTER IN CERTAIN DISTRICTS AND THE CITY WANTS TO COME AND ESSENTIALLY FOR TOURISM, FOR WHATEVER THE CASE MAY BE, GO, WE ARE NOT GOING TO CHANGE THE FUNDAMENTAL CHARACTERISTICS OF X NEIGHBORHOOD.
THAT'S THE CITY'S PURVIEW, RIGHT? RIGHT. BUT THERE THE CITY HAS NOT DESIGNATED ANY HISTORIC DISTRICTS.
BOTH OF THOSE WERE DRIVEN BY THE PROPERTY OWNERS IN THE DISTRICTS.
WE'VE NEVER DESIGNATED A LANDMARK.
THOSE HAVE BEEN DRIVEN BY THE PROPERTY OWNERS THEMSELVES.
THE CITY HAS NEVER TARGETED OR INITIATED A HISTORIC DISTRICT ON A PROPERTY.
WE MAY HAVE HELPED SUPPORT THEM IN THAT EFFORT.
BUT THEN THE OTHER THING IS THAT THIS REQUIRES A ZONING CHANGE.
SO THERE ARE PROTECTIONS THROUGH THAT IN THE PUBLIC HEARING PROCESS WHERE IF IT SEEMS LIKE A MOB LEADING THE EFFORT, THAT KIND OF DIALOG, THAT KIND OF UNCOMFORT FROM THE NEIGHBORHOOD CAN COME OUT THROUGH THE PUBLIC HEARING PROCESS, AND THIS COMMISSION AND COUNCIL CAN SAY, OKAY, THIS IS CLEARLY THERE'S NOT OVER THERE'S NOT NEIGHBORHOOD SUPPORT FOR THIS. MAYBE WE DON'T THINK IT'S A GOOD IDEA RIGHT NOW.
BUT ALL RIGHT, LET'S A COUPLE OF JUST WRAP IT UP BECAUSE IT'S GETTING LATER.
AND AGAIN THIS IS SOMETHING THAT'S ALREADY BEEN YOU KNOW, APPROVED BY COUNCIL.
YOU KNOW, MY NEIGHBORHOOD IS ONE OF THOSE DISTRICTS UP THERE, NUMBER 26.
AND THE ONLY THING I CAN THINK THAT THEY MIGHT WANT IS WINGWALLS.
I MEAN, EVERY HOUSE IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD HAS WING WALLS.
SOME PEOPLE HAVE TORN THEM DOWN, I KEPT MINE, I JUST KIND OF RESHAPED THEM A LITTLE BIT.
WELL, BUT WHY WOULD THEY WANT ME TO TEAR IT DOWN? IT'S PART OF THE STRUCTURE OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
I MEAN, ALL THE HOUSES HAVE THE WING WALLS.
SOME OF THEM ARE FALLING DOWN.
THEY NEED SOME MAINTENANCE. BUT ANYWAY YOU KNOW, THE REAL CHALLENGE IS IN PLANO 2050, WHEN 50% OF THE RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOODS IN THE CITY, OR 75%, ARE NOW ELIGIBLE.
BUT TO HIS POINT ABOUT IT BEING NEIGHBOR LED AND, YOU KNOW, WHAT DO WE DEAL WITH ON A DAILY BASIS HERE WHEN WE'RE MEETING IS SOMETIMES OFTEN KIND OF A BIT OF A MOB MENTALITY WHERE A SMALL GROUP IS VERY UNHAPPY ABOUT SOMETHING AND THEY DON'T WANT CHANGE OR THEY WANT CHANGE.
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SO WE DEAL WITH IT ALL THE TIME, BUT IT HAS TO COME HERE.THERE'S A GROUP OF PEOPLE THAT HEAR IT, THEN IT HAS TO GO TO COUNCIL.
SO HOPEFULLY, YOU KNOW, THE PROCESS HERE WILL TAKE ANYTHING LIKE THAT THROUGH THESE SAME STEPS AND COOLER HEADS CAN PREVAIL PERHAPS. OKAY.
A QUESTION RELATED TO? TO THE NCR, NCD SORRY, WAS IT NCD? WHAT'S THE PERCENTAGE THAT REQUIRED THE NEIGHBORS TO HAVE THE I GUESS.
SO IF YOU WERE IN ONE OF THESE NEIGHBORHOODS, MINE WAS 26.
I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY HOMES THERE ARE.
HOW MANY HOMEOWNERS WOULD HAVE TO COME TOGETHER IN ORDER TO APPLY FOR AND ACHIEVE SOME TYPE OF RESTRICTIONS ON DEVELOPMENT, OR? SO THE APPLICATION REQUIRES AT LEAST 60% OF THE OF THE LAND OWNERS CONSENT TO ACTUALLY HAVE AN APPLICATION.
SO YOU YOU CAN. 60% OF THE HOMEOWNERS IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD HAVE TO SIGN TO MAKE A CHANGE.
SUBMIT THE APPLICATION. SUBMIT THE APPLICATION.
AND THEN YOU CAN CARVE OUT LIKE.
YOU COULD CARVE OUT JUST ONE BLOCK OUT OF IT.
I THINK THE CRITERIA SAYS IT NEEDS TO BE HAVE FOUR CONTIGUOUS PROPERTIES MINIMUM.
AND 60% OF THE PROPERTY OWNERS IN THAT PARTICULAR BLOCK ARE IN AGREEMENT TO MOVE THAT THEY COULD JUST FILL IN AN APPLICATION TO JUST MAKE THEIR BLOCK WITHIN THAT ENTIRE NEIGHBORHOOD AS AN NCD.
SO IT DOESN'T REQUIRE TO BE THE ENTIRE NEIGHBORHOOD.
I CAN SEE THE PLUSES AND MINUSES OF THAT.
IS THAT REALLY GOING TO HAPPEN, THOUGH? I MEAN, THAT'S ANYWAY, AGAIN, WE'RE ARGUING THINGS THAT ARE OUT OF OUR HANDS AT THIS POINT.
THANK YOU, THANK YOU, THANK YOU GUYS FOR YOUR PATIENCE.
I ONLY SAW ONE OF YOU FALL ASLEEP FOR LIKE, THREE MINUTES.
WE UNDERSTAND, ALL RIGHT? IT IS 9:42, AND WE ARE ADJOURNED.
* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.