I NOW DECLARE THAT THE PLANO CITY COUNCIL'S RECORDING IN PROGRESS IN OPEN SESSION, AND THAT ALL COUNCIL MEMBERS ARE PRESENT WITH THE EXCEPTION OF COUNCIL MEMBER [PRELIMINARY OPEN MEETING] [00:00:09] SHELBY WILLIAMS AND COUNCIL MEMBER ANTHONY RICCIARDELLI. YEAH. THE COUNCIL WILL NOW RECESS INTO EXECUTIVE SESSION IN TRAINING ROOM A TO HOLD A CLOSED EXECUTIVE MEETING PURSUANT TO THE PROVISIONS OF VERNON'S TEXAS CODES ANNOTATED GOVERNMENT CODE, CHAPTER 551. THE OPEN MEETINGS ACT IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE AUTHORITY CONTAINED IN SECTION 551.071, TO CONSULT WITH THE ATTORNEY TO RECEIVE LEGAL ADVICE AND DISCUSS LITIGATION. SECTION 551.087 TO DISCUSS ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT MATTERS. SECTION 551.072 TO DISCUSS REAL ESTATE MATTERS, AND SECTION 551.074 TO DISCUSS PERSONNEL MATTERS. THANK YOU. SHELBY IS HERE. ALL RIGHT. I NOW DECLARE THE PLANO CITY COUNCIL PRELIMINARY OPEN MEETING IS RECONVENED IN OPEN SESSION THAT ALL COUNCIL MEMBERS ARE PRESENT. OUR FIRST ITEM ON PRELIMINARY AGENDA IS CONSIDERATION AND ACTION RESULTING FROM THE EXECUTIVE SESSION. PERSONNEL. APPOINTMENT. REAPPOINTMENT. BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT. MR. RICCIARDELLI. THANK YOU MAYOR. COUNCIL MEMBER SMITH AND I HAVE CONFERRED ABOUT THIS, AND WE WOULD LIKE TO SUGGEST THE ELEVATION OF JANET PLOTKIN FROM ALTERNATE TO THE INTERIM MEMBER SPOT AND THEN APPOINT MICHAEL PIERIK TO THE ALTERNATE SPOT THAT THAT CREATES AND ALSO MOVE. OKAY. AND SECOND. ALL RIGHT. I HAVE A MOTION, A SECOND TO APPROVE THE BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT APPOINTMENTS. ALL IN FAVOR, PLEASE RAISE YOUR HAND. HOW ABOUT YOU, SHELBY? CAN YOU HEAR ME? YES. ALL RIGHT, THANK YOU. MOTION PASSES 8 TO 0. THE NEXT ITEM IS PLANNING AND ZONING. COMMISSION INTERIM MEMBER. GO AHEAD. JUST. WE WOULD LIKE TO TABLE THIS APPOINTMENT UNTIL A FUTURE MEETING. OKAY. THAT'S A SECOND. OKAY. I HAVE A MOTION AND SECOND TO TABLE THE INTERIM APPOINTMENT OF THE P&Z COMMISSION. ALL IN FAVOR? RAISE YOUR HAND, PLEASE. YES. THANK YOU SHELBY. OKAY. MOTION PASSES 8 TO 0. OUR NEXT ITEM IS PERSONNEL APPOINTMENTS, WHICH WOULD BE THE TAX INCREMENT FINANCING REINVESTMENT ZONE NUMBER FOUR BOARD CHAIR. ANTHONY, YOU KNOW THAT ONE. NUMBER FOUR, YOU KNOW THE NUMBER. YOU KNOW I DON'T THINK WE DO HAVE THAT ONE. I WILL IF IT WORKS OR IS THAT IS THAT OH NO SORRY. THAT THAT'S THE ONE WE. YEAH WE TALKED ABOUT THAT ONE. MY MY APOLOGIES. THERE ARE SO MANY. I'M GLAD YOU GUYS MADE IT SO SPECIAL FOR THIS PERSON. AND AND YOU SEE, WE GOT OUR WORK DONE SO FAR AHEAD OF TIME THAT WE FORGOT THAT WE DID THIS. BUT LET ME YOU DIDN'T YOU DIDN'T TAKE NOTES. NO, IT'S IT'S IT'S IN WRITING ON HERE. MY MY APOLOGIES. OKAY. HERE WE GO. WE'LL START PUTTING OUT ODDS. AND Y'ALL, Y'ALL CAN GUESS, BUT. NO. I'M SO SORRY. THIS YEAH. AS WE SAID BY EMAIL ALL THE WAY BACK ON APRIL 30TH. SEE, WE'RE SO FAR AHEAD. DEPUTY MAYOR PRO TEM TWO AND I WOULD LIKE TO APPOINT BRIAN DUCETTE AS THE CHAIR OF TIRZ NUMBER FOUR BOARD. AND I WILL SO MOVE. OKAY. SECOND. THANK YOU. I HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND TO APPOINT BRIAN DUCETTE. IS THAT HOW YOU SAY IT? YES, MAYOR. I THINK THAT'S HOW YOU SAY IT. OKAY. AND TO THE TAX INCREMENT FINANCING REINVESTMENT ZONE NUMBER FOUR. ALL IN FAVOR, RAISE YOUR HAND. MOTION. YES. THANK YOU. MOTION PASSES 8 TO 0. AND THE NEXT ITEM IS TAX INCREMENT FINANCING REINVESTMENT ZONE NUMBER FIVE BOARD MEMBER, CHAIR AND VICE CHAIR. THAT WOULD BE THE TWO RICKS. THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR. THE CHAIR THAT WE HAD PROPOSED DECIDED TO TURN DOWN THE OPPORTUNITY. HE IS MOVING AWAY FROM THE CITY. SO WHAT WE WOULD LIKE TO PROPOSE IS JANINE CADENA BE PROMOTED TO CHAIR, AND WE WOULD LIKE TO BRING ON DOUG REESE AS THE VICE CHAIR. WE HAD [00:05:05] DIDN'T WE? CHAIR AND AND DOUG BENDER AS THE VICE CHAIR. YEAH. OH, OKAY. AND THEN ADDING DOUG REESE. ADDING DOUG REESE. THAT'S CORRECT. DOES EVERYBODY UNDERSTAND THAT OKAY. DID YOU SECOND THAT, RICK. YES. OKAY. THANK YOU. SO I HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND TO APPOINT THE MEMBER, THE CHAIR AND THE VICE CHAIR UP TO THE REINVESTMENT ZONE NUMBER FIVE BOARD. ALL IN FAVOR, RAISE YOUR HAND. YES. SEE WHAT YOU'RE MISSING, SHELBY. I HAVE TO GO BACK TO MY TEXT. MOTION PASSES, 8 TO 0. WILD TIMES? YES. GOOD TIMES. ALL RIGHT. ITEM THREE, THE HOT TAX FUNDING FOR GRANTS. HELLO, KAREN. OKAY. KAREN RHONDES-WHITLEY, BUDGET DIRECTOR FOR THE CITY OF PLANO. THIS IS THE FIRST TIME I'VE BEEN UP HERE. THERE IT GOES. OKAY, SO I AM HERE TONIGHT TO TALK TO YOU ABOUT THE HOTEL OCCUPANCY TAX AND THE AMOUNT THAT WE GIVE TO THE ARTS AND HERITAGE PRESERVATION AGENCIES. THIS WAS REQUESTED BY THE CITY COUNCIL AT THE APRIL 8TH MEETING. ALSO AT THAT APRIL 8TH MEETING, I KNOW CHRISTINA DAY AND ERIC HILL HAD COME BEFORE Y'ALL REQUESTING THAT WE PROVIDE MORE FUNDING FOR THE HISTORIC PRESERVATION OR HERITAGE PRESERVATION COMMITTEE. WHAT WAS ASKED AT THAT TIME IS, GIVEN INFLATION AND HOT TAX REVENUE HAS MORE THAN TRIPLED FROM $4 MILLION IN 2009-10 TO ABOUT $14 MILLION IN 23-24. IS THERE A REASON THAT HISTORIC PRESERVATION FUNDING CANNOT BE INCREASED MORE THAN THE $1 MILLION THEY HAD ASKED FOR IN THAT EVENING. NUMBER TWO. WHAT OTHER AGENCIES, GROUPS OR EVENTS ARE RECEIVING HOT TAX FUNDING AND PROVIDE THE FINANCIAL IMPACT OF INCREASING THE HOT TAX GRANT ALLOCATION TO BOTH ARTS AND HISTORIC PRESERVATION ON THE CONVENTION AND TOURISM FUND IN THE FUTURE. JUST WANTED TO GO OVER TAX CODE CHAPTER 351 IS THE ONE THAT SAYS WHAT WE CAN DO WITH MUNICIPAL HOTEL OCCUPANCY TAXES. IT'S A 15% MAXIMUM EXPENDITURE FOR BOTH ARTS AND THE HISTORIC PRESERVATION 35.1014 TALKS ABOUT THE ENCOURAGEMENT, PROMOTION, IMPROVEMENT AND APPLICATION OF THE ARTS IF YOU WERE TO GO OUT THERE AND LOOK, THERE'S ALL KINDS OF LONG PARAGRAPHS ON WHAT YOU CAN SPEND THE FUNDING FOR. AND 35.1015 TALKS ABOUT THE HISTORIC PRESERVATION AND RESTORATION AND PRESERVATION PROJECTS AND ACTIVITIES. NOW, THIS IS A HISTORY OF HOW WE HAVE GUIDED THE HOT TAX FUNDING FOR THE ARTS AND HERITAGE PRESERVATION UP UNTIL FISCAL YEAR 2013-14. WE DID PROVIDE 15% TAX ALLOCATION TO BOTH ARTS AND HERITAGE PRESERVATION. I DID GO BACK AND LOOK, AS YOU KNOW, I HAVE BEEN HERE FOR YEARS. EVEN BACK, THE OLDEST BUDGET DOCUMENT THAT I HAVE IN MY OFFICE DATES BACK TO 86-87. EVEN AT THAT TIME, THEY WERE GIVING THE 15%. SO WE DID NOT STOP UNTIL 14-15 AND AT THAT TIME IT WAS CAPPED AT $800,000 FOR ARTS, $800,000 FOR HERITAGE PRESERVATION. IN 2016-17 THE ALLOCATION FOR THE ARTS WAS INCREASED TO $900. HOWEVER, HERITAGE PRESERVATION REMAINED CAPPED AT $800. I REMEMBER DISTINCTLY THEY JUST DIDN'T NEED THE EXTRA HUNDRED THOUSAND. IN 19-20 WE HAD A BUNCH OF OTHER AGENCIES THAT CAME IN AND WERE ASKING FOR CULTURAL ARTS GRANTS. AT THAT TIME, THE CITY COUNCIL INCREASED IT TO A MILLION, AND IT HAS STAYED THERE EVER SINCE. [00:10:04] IN 23-24, HERITAGE PRESERVATION DID REQUEST ON APRIL 8TH, AND IT WAS GRANTED BY THE CITY COUNCIL TO INCREASE TO $1 MILLION FOR 24-25. NOW Y'ALL ARE CORRECT, THE IT HAS MORE THAN TRIPLED. ALSO, OUR HOTEL ROOMS HAS MORE THAN DOUBLED DURING THIS TIME. THIS SLIDE I AM SHOWING YOU HERE IN THE CITY COUNCIL FINANCIAL FORECASTS WE PRESENTED TO Y'ALL IN MARCH. IN OUR FINANCIAL FORECASTS, WE HAD PROJECTED THAT WE WERE GOING TO COLLECT $14.5 MILLION FOR NEXT YEAR FOR HOT REVENUE. NOW THAT WAS DONE IN FEBRUARY. I'M HERE TO TELL YOU RIGHT NOW IT'S GOING TO GO UP. WE ARE INCREASING THAT TO $15 MILLION. BUT IF YOU GO BY WHAT WE HAD PROJECTED IN THE FINANCIAL FORECASTS, THE ACTUAL 15% FOR ARTS WOULD BE $2.2 MILLION AND FOR HERITAGE PRESERVATION IT CAN BE $2.2 MILLION. ONE OF THE QUESTIONS THAT WAS ASKED, WHAT ARE YOU USING THE OTHER HOT TAX FOR? SO IN ADDITION TO HERITAGE PRESERVATION AND THE ARTS, WE HAVE SPECIAL EVENTS THAT WE ARE FUNDING FOR. WE HAVE THE ASIA FEST, THE PLANO INTERNATIONAL FESTIVAL, THE PLANO BALLOON FESTIVAL. WE HAVE SEVERAL DIFFERENT FESTIVALS THAT WE ALLOCATE THE FUNDING TO. ALSO, THE LIGHTS OF LEGACY DOES COME OUT OF THIS FUNDING. THE DOWNTOWN CHRISTMAS LIGHTS COMES OUT OF THE GENERAL FUND JUST TO LET YOU ALL KNOW. THE TEXAS FOREVER FESTIVAL AND THE RIP FESTIVAL, WHICH IS THE HALLOWEEN FESTIVAL, ALSO COMES OUT OF THIS FUNDING. SO AT THE END OF THE DAY, WE WERE ASKED THE QUESTION, WHAT PERCENTAGE OF REVENUE IS BEING USED ON THE ART SIDE? IT'S 12%. WE FEEL CONFIDENT TO COME INTO THAT $2.2 MILLION IF WE WERE TO INCREASE FOR THE ARTS TO $1.5 MILLION. GIVE HERITAGE PRESERVATION $1.5 MILLION. WE CAN STILL FUND PLANO BALLOON FESTIVAL, THE RIP FESTIVAL, THE ASIA FESTIVAL, ALL THAT WITHIN AND THAT WOULD GET YOU UP TO THE 15%. NOW LET ME SHOW YOU WHAT WOULD HAPPEN IN THE FUTURE FOR THIS. AS YOU CAN SEE, WE REQUIRE A 30 DAY FUND BALANCE IN THE CONVENTION AND TOURISM FUND. IN HERE FOR 24-25 WE HAVE THE $14.5 MILLION THAT WE ARE PROJECTING FOR REVENUES. OF COURSE, THAT'S GOING TO GO UP IN 25-26. WE HAVE A COUPLE OF HOTELS COMING ON, SO WE ARE GOING TO BE COLLECTING MORE REVENUE AND THEN 26-27. WHAT I PROVIDED TO YOU IN THE SLIDE, IF YOU WERE TO GO UP TO THE 1.5 FOR BOTH OF THOSE AGENCIES, STILL KEEP THE CULTURAL EVENTS FUNDED OUT OF HOTEL MOTEL TAX, YOUR DAYS OF WORKING CAPITAL IS WAY OVER THE 30 DAYS OF WORKING CAPITAL. SO NOW OUR DISCUSSION TONIGHT SHOULD BE IF Y'ALL WANT TO GO IN THIS DIRECTION AND THE REASON WHY THE AGENCIES AND THE COMMITTEES RIGHT NOW ARE PUTTING THE PACKAGES TOGETHER, THEY'RE DOING THE SCORING ON WHAT THEY ARE GOING TO ALLOCATE THE $1.5, OR IF YOU'RE GOING TO KEEP THE MILLION WHERE THE MILLION IS GOING TO GO OR THE $1.5. OH DID YOU WANT TO SAY SOMETHING? NO, ACTUALLY I DIDN'T. OH, OKAY, I SAW YOU. I SAW YOU MOVE YOUR MICROPHONE DOWN. SO JUST MOVING IT DOWN FOR ONCE. I HAVE NOTHING TO ADD. OKAY. VERY GOOD. SO ANYWAY, THAT'S THE DISCUSSION. OKAY. YES. SO WHY IS THE DICKENS DOWNTOWN FESTIVAL NOT COMING OUT OF THIS FUND IF WE HAVE SO MUCH WORKING CAPITAL? THE DICKENS DOWNTOWN COMES OUT OF THE GENERAL FUND, AND THAT'S IN THE PARKS AND REC. THAT'S IN THE PARKS AND REC DEPARTMENT. SO ALSO ON THE GENERAL FUND SIDE IS THE PLANO FLAGS OF HONOR, ALL THE ROTARY PARADES, THE MLK CELEBRATION, SUNSET DICKENS, THE JULY 4TH CELEBRATION, HOLIDAY LIGHTS DOWNTOWN, MCCALL PLAZA. SO ALL OF THOSE WERE DEEMED TO BE CITY EVENTS. THIS WAS A NUMBER OF YEARS AGO BY THE CITY COUNCIL AT THAT TIME, AND THEY HAVE BEEN FUNDED IN THE GENERAL FUND. [00:15:05] IF YOU WERE TO MOVE THEM BACK OVER THERE, I MEAN, THAT'S FINE WITH ME. HOWEVER, THIS IS THE WAY THAT CITY COUNCIL WENT, AND THAT WAS A NUMBER OF YEARS AGO. THEY SAID, WE DON'T WANT THESE WE CONSIDER THESE CITY OF PLANO EVENTS. WE WANT PARKS AND REC TO BE OVER THEM. WE WANT THEM FUNDED OUT OF THE GENERAL FUND, SO THEY ARE NOT LOOKED AFTER BY THE ARTS COMMITTEE OR THE ARTS COMMISSION. I WAS JUST GOING TO THANK YOU. I WANTED TO MAKE SURE I WASN'T INTERRUPTING, BUT I JUST. I THINK THAT'S AN EXCELLENT CATCH, MAYOR PRO TEM. AND I THINK TO THE EXTENT THAT WE HAVE AVAILABLE FUNDS, IT WOULD MAKE SENSE TO MOVE ALL OF THOSE OVER TO HOTEL OCCUPANCY TAX, BECAUSE THOSE ARE REALLY THINGS THAT, YOU KNOW, THAT ARE THE SAME TYPES OF EVENTS THAT PUT HEADS IN BEDS THAT BRING TOURISM TO PLANO. AND I DON'T KNOW ABOUT YOU GUYS, BUT I RECENTLY HEARD FROM A COUPLE OF RESIDENTS WHO WERE CONCERNED ABOUT COMMUNITY GROUPS NO LONGER PUTTING TOGETHER A 4TH OF JULY PARADE. AND, YOU KNOW, TO THE EXTENT WE HAVE FUNDS, YOU KNOW, HOTEL OCCUPANCY TAX FUNDS AVAILABLE, THAT MIGHT BE SOMETHING TO LOOK AT. NOT FOR THIS 4TH OF JULY, BECAUSE I UNDERSTAND LOGISTICALLY WE JUST COULDN'T GET IT DONE. BUT FOR JULY 4TH, 2026, WHILE STILL INCREASING CULTURAL ARTS AND HISTORIC PRESERVATION, I WILL LET YOU KNOW THE THE TOTAL THAT COMES OUT OF 164 SPECIAL EVENTS TOTALED $650,000. SO THAT'S THE TOTAL AMOUNT THAT ARE IN THE GENERAL FUND. THEY ARE CONSIDERED CITY OF PLANO EVENTS. THAT'S NOT THAT'S RIGHT. KAREN. YES, I UNDERSTAND THE RATIONALE OF WANTING PARKS TO MANAGE THESE EVENTS. IS THERE ANY REASON PARKS SHOULD NOT MANAGE THEM IF THEY'RE FUNDED THROUGH HOT? NO, NO, THERE'S THERE'S COUNCILMAN THERE'S NO, THERE'S NO REASON THAT IT COULD NOT CONTINUE TO BE MANAGED BY PARKS. I THINK ONE ONE THING THAT I WOULD WANT CLARIFICATION, THOUGH, IF COUNCIL IS DESIRING TO PUT THOSE THAT HAVE BEEN FUNDED IN THE GENERAL FUND IN HOTEL MOTEL FUNDING, ONE OF THE CHALLENGES THAT WE HAVE IS THE CITY APPLYING TO THE CITY FOR FUNDS. SO ARE WE COMPETING WITH THESE OTHER NONPROFIT AGENCIES, OR ARE YOU GOING TO JUST CONSIDER THEM FUNDED AND THEN WHATEVER'S LEFT, BECAUSE I THINK YOU'LL FACE SOME CRITICISM EITHER WAY FOR THOSE DECISIONS, BECAUSE IF WE'RE IF WE'RE APPLYING TO OURSELVES FOR FUNDS, THEY MIGHT THINK THAT WE HAVE A VESTED INTEREST IN SEEING THAT THOSE THINGS GET FUNDED. AND LIKEWISE, IF THEY'RE THE FIRST AT THE THE FUNDING LEVEL, THEN IT BECOMES THIS ASPECT OF FAIRNESS AND PARITY FOR HOW THOSE THINGS GET DONE. SO JUST PUTTING THAT OUT THERE THAT YOU THOSE ARE SOME OF THE REASONS WHY I THINK IT WENT TO THE PARKS DEPARTMENT IN THE FIRST PLACE. MARK. YEAH, I JUST PERSONALLY, I THINK THAT MOVING INTO HOT MAKES MAKES A LOT OF SENSE. I'M NOT TOO CONCERNED ABOUT PEOPLE WORRYING THAT, YOU KNOW, WE'RE GIVING PRESIDENTIAL PREFERENTIAL TREATMENT TO THE CITY BECAUSE, I MEAN, WE'RE JUST BASICALLY GOING TO BE PAYING IT FROM SOMETHING THAT WE CAN ONLY USE FOR SPECIFIC PURPOSES, RATHER THAN USING GENERAL FUNDS THAT WE CAN USE FOR OTHER THINGS, WHETHER IT BE FIRE, POLICE OR PARKS AND REC, NEW LAWN MOWERS. SO I THINK IT'S A GREAT IDEA. AND THEN IF IT BECOMES CONTROVERSIAL, WE'LL WE'LL DEAL WITH IT. OKAY. WELL, I WILL TELL Y'ALL THIS BEFORE WE EVEN GO ANY FURTHER. THIS IS $650,000, SO I CANNOT FIT IF IF YOU'RE GOING TO EVEN IF YOU DON'T INCREASE THE ARTS COMMISSION UP TO THAT $1.5, YOU'RE NOT GOING TO BE ABLE TO FIT THIS IN. YOU WILL HAVE TO GO AND REDUCE THE FUNDING FOR THE ARTS COMMISSION'S THE GRANTS. SO JUST A QUESTION ON THAT, BECAUSE I THOUGHT THE PROJECTION WE WERE LOOKING AT HAD BOTH CULTURAL ARTS AND HERITAGE PRESERVATION MOVING UP TO $1.5. SO THAT WOULD BE A $500,000 INCREASE EACH FOR A TOTAL OF A MILLION. AND SO THEN I WAS THINKING, IF WE TAKE THE $650,000 OUT OF THAT, WE STILL HAVE A SURPLUS OF $350,000. NO. WE CAN CAN YOU PUT THAT SLIDE BACK UP? OKAY. I THINK THAT WOULD BE HELPFUL. SORRY. I THINK YOU'RE OKAY, COUNCILMAN, BECAUSE THERE'S A CAP FOR EACH SIDE. YEAH, THERE'S A CAP FOR EACH SIDE. SO THE $1.5 IS PER SIDE. YOU CAN'T BEND OVER BACK AND FORTH. SO YOU CAN'T. AS FAR AS I KNOW, YOU CANNOT FUND THE YEAH, YOU COULD PROBABLY DO THE FLAGS OF HONOR. ANYWAY, SOME OF THESE EVENTS, LIKE THEY'RE NOT GOING TO LET YOU FUND THE HOLIDAY PARADE OUT OF THE HERITAGE PRESERVATION. OKAY, SO YOU DON'T REALLY HAVE ANY WIGGLE ROOM ON THE ART SIDE BECAUSE YOU GOT THE PLANO FESTIVAL, PLANO BALLOON FESTIVAL. YOU'VE GOT A LOT OF BIG ITEMS IN HERE THAT ARE ALREADY BEING FUNDED OUT OF THE HOT TAX. [00:20:04] I SUGGEST THAT WE POSSIBLY TALK ABOUT WHAT WE BELIEVE ARE PLANO'S I GUESS CENTRAL PROJECTS THAT WE WANT TO PUT IN CERTAIN FUNDS. I MEAN, I, I GET IT THAT LONG TIME AGO, WE WE, WE FELT LIKE THE, THE ONES THAT ARE IN THE, I THINK IN THE THE PARK AND RECREATION FUNDING. THOSE ARE THE ONES FOR. YEAH. THOSE ARE THE ONES THAT REPRESENT CITY OF PLANO. BUT CITY OF PLANO HAS GROWN AND IT HAS BECOME VERY DIVERSIFIED. SO I THINK MAYBE A REEVALUATION OF WHAT GOES INTO WHERE WOULD BE GOOD. I DON'T HAVE ANY COMMENTS OR ANY FEELINGS OPINION WITH REGARD TO, YOU KNOW, HOW MUCH WE NEED TO SPEND ON THE HOT TAX VERSUS THE, THE PARK AND RECREATION. BUT I DO THINK THAT PRIORITY NEEDS TO BE SET SO THAT YOU KNOW, WE USE THE MONEY EFFICIENTLY. I WILL TELL YOU THIS. AND I HAD IT ON THAT SLIDE. WE HAVE SEVERAL NEW HOTELS THAT ARE GOING TO BE COMING ON. SO YOU'RE GOING TO RECEIVE A LOT MORE HOT TAX STARTING IN 25-26, WHICH MEANS, YOU KNOW, 25-26, 26-27 YOU'LL HAVE MORE GOING INTO THAT BUCKET AND THAT MIGHT BE A BETTER TIME TO MOVE THOSE AFTER Y'ALL DECIDE DURING YOUR RETREATS AND STUFF. SO BUT FOR RIGHT NOW, FOR ME STANDING RIGHT HERE TODAY, YOU WOULD HAVE TO REDUCE THE ART SPENDING. SO MAYOR AND COUNCIL, LET ME MAKE SURE WE WE GET THIS RIGHT REAL QUICK. AND LET'S TRY TO SIMPLIFY THIS A LITTLE BIT. Y'ALL ARE OKAY WITH MOVING IT UP TO THE MAXIMUM DOLLAR AMOUNT OF $1.5 FOR BOTH HERITAGE AND ARTS AND EVENTS, IS THAT CORRECT? SEEING NODS. OKAY, SO MOVE IT TO $1.5. AND THEN WHAT I'M HEARING RIGHT NOW IS MOVE AS MANY OF THOSE CITY EVENTS OVER TO HOTEL MOTEL AS WE CAN WITHIN THAT CAP. SO WILL YOU ALLOW US TO GO BACK AND SEE HOW MANY WE CAN FIT, UNDERSTANDING THAT WE ALLOCATED $1 MILLION ALREADY, AND I FEEL LIKE THE PROCESS IS ALREADY UNDERWAY FOR THAT. I WOULDN'T WANT TO MESS WITH THAT FOR THE OTHER ARTS GROUPS, ESPECIALLY THIS YEAR. BUT THE AMOUNT ABOVE THAT, THAT $500,000 WE COULD TAKE AND FIT AS MANY PROJECTS IN AS THAT AS POSSIBLE, AND THEN MAYBE TAKE THE REST AND CONTINUE THAT IN GENERAL FUND THIS YEAR. BUT WORK ON THIS YEAR OVER YEAR TO TRY TO FIND A WAY TO GET ALL THOSE PROJECTS INTO HOTEL MOTEL. IS THAT. YEAH. YEAH, I THINK THAT'S RIGHT. YEAH. MARK, LET LET ME JUST ASK YOU A QUESTION. I MEAN, IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING. MAYBE I'M WRONG ABOUT IT, BUT, YOU KNOW, ANYTHING THAT PROMOTES TOURISM, IT CAN CAN, CAN BE COVERED. I MEAN, LIKE TEXAS RIVER FESTIVAL, THINGS LIKE THAT. I MEAN, THAT'S OBVIOUSLY THAT PROMOTES TOURISM. IT DOESN'T NECESSARILY HAVE TO COME OUT OF THE CULTURAL ARTS. CAN WE CREATE A SEPARATE CATEGORY? SO YOU'RE STILL CAPPED AT THAT $1.5 MILLION REGARDLESS OF THAT. SO THE, THE OTHER ELEMENTS OF THAT OF THE MARKETING AND ADVERTISING AND THINGS LIKE THAT, THAT PLANO OR VISIT PLANO DOES IS KIND OF SEPARATED FROM THAT. SO I DON'T I THINK WE WOULD HAVE A HARD TIME CAPTURING THAT AND TRYING TO PUT THAT INTO ANOTHER CATEGORY OTHER THAN THE, THE AND ANOTHER THING IN PAGE, I CAN ONLY YEAH, GO AHEAD. IN THE STATUTE AND IT HAS TO PROMOTE TOURISM OR WHAT THEY CALL PUT HEADS IN BEDS. SO IT HAS TO BE ON THE LIST IN THE STATUTE AND IT ALSO HAS TO PROMOTE TOURISM. YEAH, I JUST THOUGHT OF THAT. LIKE PLANO FLAGS OF HONOR ARE THEY REALLY GOING TO BRING IN HOTEL MOTEL BEDS? THAT'S ONE OF THE OTHER REASONS THESE WERE MOVED OVER TO THE GENERAL FUND, RIGHT. YEAH. I GUESS JUST MY CONCERN IS I KNOW I'VE HEARD FROM OTHER COUNCIL. IS THAT TYPICALLY KAREN, YOU'RE SAYING NOT ONLY DO WE HAVE EXCESS FUNDS NOW, WE'RE GOING TO BE HAVING MORE FUNDS COMING INTO THE TO THAT IN THE FUTURE. WE HAVE TROUBLE SPENDING IT. YOU KNOW, SO IF WE COULD SOMEHOW HOWEVER WE NEED TO TO DO IT THIS LEGAL AND PUT IT AND COVER IT IN THIS FUND. THAT'S BETTER THAN SPENDING GENERAL FUND MONEY THAT CAN BE USED FOR ANYTHING. YOU KNOW, THAT'S THAT'S MY ONLY POINT. SURE. AND I THINK WE GET THAT. AND I THINK I THINK WE WILL MAXIMIZE THAT. AND EVEN WITH THAT GROWTH YEAR OVER YEAR WHERE WE CAN ADD MORE TO THAT, WE WILL LOOK TO DO THAT. BUT I THINK AS IT STANDS RIGHT NOW, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT THAT I WANT TO ALSO MAKE SURE IS Y'ALL ARE COMFORTABLE WITH STICKING WITH THE MILLION DOLLARS FOR THE COMMUNITY GROUPS ON THE ART STUFF AND THE ADDITIONAL AMOUNT OVER THAT WOULD BE OKAY TO FUND THOSE CITY THOSE CITY EVENTS THAT WE HAVE IN THE GENERAL FUND, IS THAT CORRECT? OH, WAIT, I THOUGHT WE WERE GOING UP TO $1.5. WE ARE, WE ARE. OH, THAT $500,000, I'M MAKING SURE IS THE IS THE CITY EVENTS, OKAY. RATHER THAN GOING BACK TO THE TO THE COMMUNITY GROUPS I DON'T THINK THAT'S WHAT [INAUDIBLE] IS SAYING. GOOD. THAT'S WHY I'M ASKING YOU DON'T YOU DON'T WANT TO RAISE IT $1.5. NO WE DO. BUT I THINK THAT'S WHERE THE DISCREPANCY IS, THAT $1.5 THE THAT $500,000 SHOULDN'T GO TO CITY EVENTS. [00:25:09] I THINK WE'RE SAYING THAT THERE'S OTHER. SEE HOW IT SAYS CULTURAL ARTS AND THEN IT SAYS COMMS AND CULTURAL EVENTS. WE'RE SAYING THERE SHOULD BE OTHER PLACES THAT YOU CAN PUT THOSE OTHER EVENTS. AND PAIGE IS SAYING, NO, BUT I DON'T WHAT GOES UNDER COMMS AND CULTURAL EVENTS. WELL, THE PROBLEM IS THE, YOU KNOW, THAT'S A LEGISLATIVE EVENT TO I MEAN, THAT WE'D HAVE TO RAISE THAT UP. AND THAT'S THE PROBLEM IS WE WE WE CAN'T DO THAT OURSELVES SO. WELL THEN WHAT GOES UNDER COMMS AND CULTURAL EVENTS THEN? WELL, THAT'S THE PLANO BALLOON FESTIVAL. IT'S THE ASIAN FESTIVAL, THE PLANO INTERNATIONAL FESTIVAL, THAT'S WHAT THAT SIX, SIX, EIGHT RIGHT THERE. THOSE ARE THE FESTIVALS THAT ARE CONSIDERED THEY'RE BRINGING HEADS AND BEDS IN. OKAY. AND THEY'RE FUNDED OUT OF HOT TAX. SO THOSE ARE THOSE ARE THE FESTIVALS. SO WE COULD INCREASE THAT CATEGORY THEN. WELL, WE CAN INCREASE IT RIGHT NOW BECAUSE YOU'VE GOT TO COME IN WITH THAT 15%. SO IF YOU'RE GOING TO ALLOCATE THE $1.5 TO THE ARTS AND $1.5 TO HISTORIC, THAT'S THE MAX YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE THIS YEAR, CORRECT? OKAY. WELL, WELL, I THINK THE CONFUSION IS, KAREN, YOUR LIST THERE IS BUT YOUR BUDGET CATEGORIES AND NOT THE STATUTE CATEGORIES. THAT'S CORRECT. YEAH. YEAH I DON'T HAVE THOSE OTHER THIS IS CONVENTION AND TOURISM FUND. YES. SO EVERYTHING ELSE IS ON THE GENERAL FUND SIDE. MAYOR COUNCIL, LET US WORK UP A WORKSHEET THAT'S NOT A FUN SUMMARY AND BRING THAT BACK TO YOU, SHOW YOU WHERE THE FUNDING IS AND SHOW YOU WHERE WE CAN MOVE SOME THINGS OVER. WE'LL BRING THAT BACK IN THE NEXT MEETING OR TWO AND ALLOW HOPEFULLY SOME CLARITY TO THAT. WE ALREADY HAVE IT SO I CAN BRING IT TO THE NEXT MEETING IF YOU WANT. PERFECT. THROW IT UP THERE. THANK YOU KAREN. OKAY. SO WE'RE MARK WE'RE GOING TO GO WITH THE $1.5 AND THE $1.5. THANK YOU. APPRECIATE IT. NEXT ITEM IS DISCUSSION DIRECTION OF SERVE DENTON STRATEGIC PLAN, MARK. MAYOR AND COUNCIL BACK EARLIER IN ACTUALLY LAST FALL IN 2023 SAM GREIF AND I STARTED VISITING SERVE DENTON, WHICH IS A A HUB FOR NONPROFITS IN THE DENTON COMMUNITY. THEY ACTUALLY PROVIDE THE FACILITY AND THEIR FOCUS IS STRICTLY ON THE FACILITY. NO OTHER ELEMENTS ARE REALLY YOU KNOW, INCORPORATED INTO THAT OTHER THAN WHAT HAPPENS WITH THEIR, THEIR COORDINATION IN PROVIDING THAT SPACE. AS WE BEGAN VISITING THEM AND SEEING KIND OF HOW THEY RUN THEIR OPERATIONS, WE DECIDED IT WAS IMPORTANT TO EXPAND THE GROUP AND THE KNOWLEDGE WITHIN THE COMMUNITY TO WITH THE CITY OF PLANO SPECIFICALLY TO TO UNDERSTAND THIS AND SEE IF THIS WAS A GOOD IDEA FOR, FOR THE CITY OF PLANO. SO ON APRIL 1ST, WE ACTUALLY HAD A TOUR WITH THE COMMUNITY RELATIONS COMMISSION'S CHAIR, VICE CHAIR, THE COUNCIL LIAISONS TO THE CRC, AND WE ACTUALLY HAD COUNCILWOMAN HOLMER JOIN US AS WELL, ALONG WITH A LOT OF OUR EXECUTIVE STAFF, ABOUT 30 PEOPLE THAT THAT WENT TO DENTON TO GO TOUR THIS. IT'S A VERY UNIQUE FACILITY AND IT'S BASICALLY WHAT I WOULD CALL A ONE STOP SHOP OR A HUB FOR NONPROFITS. IT PROVIDES A RENT STABLE ENVIRONMENT FOR NONPROFITS TO OPERATE. IT PROVIDES THEM WITH AN OPPORTUNITY TO REALLY HAVE SOME CO-LOCATION SO THAT PEOPLE CAN ACTUALLY STOP IN ONE PLACE TO, TO FIND ANSWERS TO SOME OF THEIR NEEDS. AND THE THE GROUP THAT'S ACTUALLY PUT THIS TOGETHER HAS EXPANDED NOT ONLY FROM SERVE DENTON, THEY'VE ACTUALLY IMPLEMENTED SERVE LEWISVILLE AND THEY'RE CONSULTING WITH GARLAND TO DO SERVE GARLAND. WE HAVE MET WITH THEM A COUPLE OF TIMES TO TALK ABOUT DOING A STRATEGIC PLAN FOR THE CITY THAT WE THINK WOULD BE WISE FOR THE CITY TO HAVE THEM DO AN ENVIRONMENTAL ASSESSMENT NOT ONLY OF THE NONPROFITS, BUT OF THE COMMUNITIES AND THE PROPERTIES. AND SO I'VE ACTUALLY PASSED OUT A MAP THAT THEY HAVE A FLOW CHART FOR HOW THIS WOULD ACTUALLY WORK. SO IT'S OVER THE COURSE OF OF A FEW MONTHS, ESSENTIALLY, THEY SAID IT WOULD TAKE UP TO A YEAR TO COMPLETE AND BRING BACK TO THE CITY. AGAIN, IT WOULD JUST BE THE STRATEGIC PLAN ITSELF. SO IT'S WELL WITHIN MY SIGNATURE AUTHORITY. BUT BECAUSE THIS IS SUCH A BIG THING THAT IS GOING TO INVOLVE THE COMMUNITY, SOME OF OUR NONPROFITS AND OTHER ELEMENTS, I THOUGHT IT WAS IMPORTANT TO BRING TO COUNCIL AND MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE ANNOUNCING THIS PUBLICLY, THAT WE WOULD GO FORWARD WITH THIS. BUT WE HAD SEVERAL COUNCIL MEMBERS THERE, AND I HAVE SOLICITED THE FEEDBACK OF THE PEOPLE THAT VISITED. I WOULD SAY IT WAS UNANIMOUS THAT THAT FOLKS WANTED TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THIS AND SEE THE POSSIBILITIES. BUT THE DISCOVERY PHASE AND THE ENVISION PHASE IS GOING TO BE TAKE A LOT OF PUBLIC INPUT. SO KIND OF PUTTING IT OUT THERE THAT WE WOULD NEED THE PUBLIC TO PARTICIPATE. BUT UNLESS DIRECTED OTHERWISE, MY INTENT WAS TO GO AHEAD AND EXECUTE THE CONTRACT ONCE IT'S APPROVED BY LEGAL AND AND MOVE FORWARD WITH THE STRATEGIC PLAN. [00:30:02] SO I'D BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS. ANY ANY QUESTIONS RICK. WELL, WASN'T REALLY ANY QUESTIONS, BUT WE DID JULIE COUNCILMAN HOLMER AND COUNCILMAN RICCIARDELLI ALONG WITH THE CITY MANAGER AND SAM GREIF AND A FEW OTHER FOLKS WE DID GO VISIT SERVE DENTON. I WAS STRUCK BY A COUPLE OF ITEMS THERE. ONE, IT WAS A SINGLE LOCATION THAT SERVED MANY NEEDS OF THE UNDERSERVED. THERE WAS A MEDICAL CLINIC, AND ATTACHED TO THE CLINIC WAS A PHARMACY SO THEY COULD GO STRAIGHT THERE. THERE WAS A FOOD DISTRIBUTION CENTER THAT DELIVERED FRESH FOOD. SO MEATS AND EGGS AND MILKS OR THOSE TYPE OF ELEMENTS THAT WERE THERE, THERE WAS FACILITIES FOR BATTERED WOMEN. THERE WERE FACILITIES FOR THE CHILDREN THAT THAT NEEDED HELP. AND THE ONE THING I FOUND WAS THAT FROM THIS ONE LOCATION, ONE, THE RENT FOR THE NONPROFITS WAS SIGNIFICANTLY LOWER THAN WHAT YOU WOULD HAVE FOUND OUTSIDE OF THE BUILDING. AND THE SECOND POINT WAS COLLABORATION. THERE WAS A LOT THERE WAS STRONG COLLABORATION BETWEEN THE VARIOUS NONPROFITS THERE TO SUPPORT EACH OTHER. SO THIS SERVED AS A SINGLE POINT OF CONTACT OR SINGLE PLACE WHERE IF THE POLICE OR FIRE OR ANY OF CITY SERVICES, OR EVEN IF US RUN ACROSS PEOPLE WHO NEED HELP, WE CAN POINT TO THAT SINGLE PLACE. RIGHT NOW WE HAVE VARIOUS FOOD BANKS. WE DON'T KNOW WHICH ONE WHO TO SEND THEM TO. WE HAVE VARIOUS PLACES FOR HOMELESS HOMELESS PEOPLE. AGAIN, JUST TRY TO HELP THEM OUT WHERE YOU CAN. SO I FELT THAT THIS WAS REALLY KIND OF WAS THE BEGINNING TO ANSWERING THE NEED OF THE UNDERSERVED HERE. AND I JUST THOUGHT IT WAS A FANTASTIC FACILITY. AND THEY'VE SHOWN SUCCESS IN DENTON. THEY'RE SHOWING SUCCESS IN LEWISVILLE. AND I THINK THEY'RE STARTING IN GARLAND. IS THAT CORRECT? SO THIS WOULD BE, I THINK A WISE MOVE TO MOVE FORWARD THAT AGAIN, AS A CITY, WE CAN SERVE THE ENTIRE POPULATION. THAT WAS JUST MY OBSERVATIONS. OKAY. ANY OTHER THOUGHTS? SOUNDS SOUNDS LIKE EVERYBODY'S OKAY TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THIS. OKAY. ANTHONY. MAYOR THE ONLY OTHER THING I WAS GOING TO MENTION, I WAS ALSO BLESSED TO BE ON THAT VISIT WITH COUNCIL MEMBER HORNE AND COUNCIL MEMBER HOLMER CITY MANAGER ISRAELSON SENDING SO MANY MEMBERS OF THE CITY STAFF, IT WAS A FANTASTIC VISIT. IT'S A FANTASTIC FACILITY AND I'M EXCITED TO SEE US MOVE FORWARD WITH EXPLORING HOW THIS COULD WORK IN PLANO AS A SERVE PLANO. WE DID ALL GET, I ASSUME WE ALL GOT BECAUSE I GOT AND I'M GUESSING I WAS NOT THE ONLY ONE. AN EMAIL FROM FORMER COUNCIL MEMBER GRADY. AND YOU KNOW WHO SAID THAT THE COLLIN COUNTY HOMELESS COALITION AND OTHER COMMUNITY PARTNERS ARE ALREADY WORKING ON A SIMILAR CONCEPT. I'M SURE WE WOULD DO THIS ANYWAY, BUT I JUST WANTED TO PUT OUT THERE THAT OBVIOUSLY AS WE SEEK FEEDBACK FROM THE COMMUNITY DURING THE DISCOVER AND ENVISION PHASES, IT'LL BE GOOD TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE COORDINATING EFFORTS WITH NONPROFIT COMMUNITY PARTNERS SO THAT WE CAN MAXIMIZE IMPACT AND NOT DUPLICATE EFFORTS. AND YOU KNOW, SEE HOW WE CAN DOVETAIL WHAT THEY'RE DOING WITH WITH THE CITY'S DOING. AND OF COURSE. OKAY. I JUST WAS GOING TO ADD THAT WHEN I HAD APPROACHED MARK AFTER WE HAD GONE THROUGH OUR FEMA TRAINING ABOUT HAVING AN EMERGENCY OPERATION CENTER FOR ALL THE NEEDS FOR IN AN EMERGENCY. AND, AND HE WAS ALREADY ON IT AND HAD ALREADY SET UP THIS THIS OPPORTUNITY TO TOUR SERVE DENTON. AND IT IT WAS A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT THAN WHAT I ENVISIONED. I THOUGHT IT WAS GOING TO BE MORE OF A ONE PLACE THAT'S OVERSEEING ALL OF THESE NONPROFITS. AND SO I HEARD SOMEONE DESCRIBE IT. I THOUGHT REALLY WELL AND CALLING IT A BENEVOLENT LANDLORD, THAT THAT WAS REALLY MORE OF PROVIDING A FACILITY SO THAT WE CAN REDUCE THE OVERHEAD EXPENSES TO OUR NONPROFITS THAT ARE DOING GREAT WORK IN OUR COMMUNITY SO THEY CAN FOCUS THEIR DOLLARS ON PROGRAMING AND ASSISTING PEOPLE IN NEED. SO THAT WAS ONE JUST ONE THING THAT WAS NOT EXACTLY WHAT I EXPECTED, AND I JUST WANTED TO PUT THAT OUT THERE FOR ANYONE THAT THINKS THEY UNDERSTAND WHAT IT IS, IT WAS A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT THAN THAN WHAT I ORIGINALLY HAD IN MY HEAD. AND I, I COMMEND OUR OUR CITY MANAGER FOR DOING SUCH A GREAT JOB IN BRINGING ALL OF THE KEY PEOPLE TO THE TOUR SO THAT WE COULD REALLY GET BUY IN AND AND MAKE SURE WE THOUGHT THIS WAS A GOOD MOVE ON OUR PART, EVEN THOUGH HE THIS IS SOMETHING THAT HE COULD HAVE DONE ON HIS OWN WITHOUT BRINGING BEFORE US. BUT IT WAS A BRILLIANT IDEA, AND I'M I'M GLAD TO SEE THAT WE'RE MOVING FORWARD WITH IT. ALL RIGHT. GOT IT. LOOK FORWARD TO IT. ITEM FIVE DISCUSSION DIRECTION OF THE GREAT UPDATE REBATE PROGRAM, CURTIS. [00:35:27] OH, THERE WE GO. THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT, SO JUST A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE HISTORY OF THIS. THIS WAS A PROGRAM THAT WAS INITIATED BACK IN 2014. IT WAS INTENDED TO ENCOURAGE REINVESTMENT IN, IN THOSE OLDER, MODERATELY PRICED HOUSE HOUSES. APPARENTLY IT'S KIND OF A BABY OF THE THE THE PROBLEM WE HAD WITH THE HOUSING CRISIS THAT OCCURRED AT THE END OF THE PREVIOUS DECADE THERE. SO THE KIND OF THE THE CRITERIA FOR IT, IT'S FOUR HOUSES THAT ARE 35 YEARS OR OLDER, WHAT THEY LOOKED AT IS TRYING TO FIGURE OUT KIND OF THE, THE PROPERTY VALUE MAXIMUM. AND THEY USED THE FHA SINGLE FAMILY MORTGAGE LIMIT BACK IN 2014, IT WAS 70% AND THEN BACK IN 2017 THAT WAS INCREASED TO 85% SO WE NOW ALLOWED MORE HOUSES THAT WOULD BECOME ELIGIBLE FOR THIS PROGRAM. MANDATORY HOMEOWNER INVESTMENT. WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THAT HOMEOWNERS IN THIS PROGRAM HAVE SOME SKIN IN THE GAME. SO IN 2014, THE HOMEOWNER INVESTMENT WAS 10% OF THE APPRAISED VALUE. AND NOW WE'RE LOOKING IN 2017 WHEN IT WAS MODIFIED, THE LESSER OF 10% OF THE APPRAISED VALUE OR $20,000, WHICHEVER IS IS LESS. AND THERE'S A $5,000 MAXIMUM REBATE THERE. SO ELIGIBILITY PROPERTY VALUE IS 85% OF THE FHA MORTGAGE LIMIT AND 35 YEARS OR OLDER. SO THAT'S THE EXISTING ELIGIBILITY REQUIREMENTS. WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT HERE BASICALLY IS WE'VE GOT TWO CATEGORIES, EITHER EXTERIOR OR INTERIOR. IF YOU ARE DOING EXTERIOR WORK, THEN YOU'RE GOING TO GET A 25% REBATE. IF YOU'RE DOING INTERIOR WORK, THEN YOU'LL GET A 10% REBATE. AND AND A LOT OF THIS STUFF AND WE'LL TALK ABOUT IN JUST A MINUTE. IT'S KIND OF A COMBINATION OF THE BOTH BOTH OF BOTH. SO JUST GENERAL CATEGORIES ROOF FENCE, FOUNDATION, THAT SORT OF STUFF, WINDOWS SEWER PIPES, THAT SORT OF STUFF IS GOING TO BE EXTERIOR WHERE YOU GET THE MAXIMUM REBATE. INTERIOR STUFF IS GOING TO BE MORE LIKE THAT REMODEL FLOORING, HVAC, BECAUSE THAT HAS TO DO WITH THE INTERNAL OF THE COMFORT LEVEL IN THERE. ELECTRICITY WORK, ELECTRICAL WORK WOULD BE THE INTERNAL INSULATION. SO YOU WOULD BE ELIGIBLE THEN FOR THE 10% REBATE. SO THE COMPLETED THE NUMBER OF COMPLETED PROJECT PROJECTS IS 1200. I THINK THAT'S IS 28 RIGHT THERE. SO OVER THE 11 YEAR PERIOD WE HAVE DONE WORK ON OVER 1200 PROJECTS. JUST LOOKING AT THE MAP OF PLANO FOR THOSE FOR 2024, HERE ARE THE ELIGIBLE PROPERTIES. AND WE'LL LOOK AT THIS AND WE'LL LOOK AT THIS IN A BIT AFTER SOME RECOMMENDATIONS. BUT IF YOU LOOK WE HAVE 26,235 ELIGIBLE PROPERTIES IN 2024. YOU CAN SEE THEY'RE CENTRALLY LOCATED OR ON THE EAST SIDE OF PLANO. AS FAR AS PROJECT COMPLETE COMPLETIONS OVER THE PAST 11 YEARS, WE'VE LOOKED AT ARE WE AVERAGE ABOUT 116 PROJECTS PER YEAR. YOU CAN SEE BACK IN 2013, 2013-2014, THE FIRST YEAR OF THE PROGRAM WE STARTED OFF WITH, WITH 30 OF THEM. AT THE END OF MARCH, WE WERE AT 66. I THINK WE'VE GOT 88 RIGHT NOW FOR THIS FISCAL YEAR WITH A NUMBER THE NUMBER THAT WE WILL COMPLETE WILL BE APPROXIMATELY 151 FOR THIS YEAR'S GUR PROGRAM. SO WE'VE ALSO BREAK IT OUT BY EXTERIOR, INTERIOR AND COMBO WORK THAT WE'VE DONE. AND YOU CAN SEE OVER THE, THE YEARS, YOU KNOW, MOST OF THE PROJECTS THAT WE DO CERTAINLY ARE MOST OF THE PROJECTS THAT WE FUND ARE CERTAINLY EXTERIOR, BUT WE DO HAVE SOME INTERIOR AND, AND SOME COMBO. AND THIS KIND OF GIVES YOU A BETTER OVERVIEW. SO 59% OF THE WORK THAT'S BEEN DONE OVER THE PAST 11 YEARS ARE EXTERIOR, 12% ARE INTERIOR, AND THEN 29% FALL INTO THAT CATEGORY OF BOTH. SO WHAT HAPPENS IS SOMETIMES IN THESE PROJECTS, RIGHT? IF YOU'VE GOT SOME FOUNDATION ISSUES, THEN YOU MAY ALSO HAVE FLOORING ISSUES THAT YOU HAVE TO DO. SO THAT THAT ALLOWS US TO TAKE CARE OF OF SOME OF THOSE PROBLEMS THAT WE SEE FROM SOME, SOME OF THESE ISSUES THAT THESE HOUSES ARE DEALING WITH HERE IN PLANO. IF YOU LOOK OVER THE PERIOD OF YEARS, WE'VE, WE'VE KIND OF ROUGHLY BROKEN THESE DOWN INTO CATEGORY GENERAL CATEGORIES, WHAT WE SEE. [00:40:02] SO REMODELS BEDROOM AND LIVING ROOM CLADDING WHICH IS GOING TO BE THE OUTSIDE BRICK SIDING THAT SORT OF THING, CONCRETE. YOU CAN SEE DOORS AND WINDOWS CERTAINLY ARE THE, THE MOST IN WHICH THAT WE'VE SPENT OUR, THE REBATE MONEY ON ALSO ROOFS ARE ALSO BIG AND FROM THOSE ADMINISTRATORS, THOSE, THOSE STAFF MEMBERS THAT ARE WORKING WITH THIS, WHAT THEY'RE SAYING IS RIGHT NOW, WHAT WE'RE SEEING IS WE'RE SEEING KIND OF A CHANGE FROM A LOT OF THAT INTERIOR TYPE STUFF THAT THAT YOU MIGHT SEE TO MORE UTILITARIAN TYPE WORK, WHICH IS GOING TO BE PIPES, WHICH IS A BIG ISSUE RIGHT NOW, ROOFS, WHICH IS A BIG ISSUE, SOME FOUNDATION STUFF. SO WE'RE KIND OF SEEING THAT, THAT, THAT MOVEMENT, JUST BECAUSE OF SOME OF THE PROBLEMS THAT WE'RE SEEING IN THIS HOUSING STOCK. AND, YOU KNOW, GOING BACK AND JUST ONE OF THE THINGS SOLAR PANELS, I GUESS SOLAR PANELS APPARENTLY USED TO BE KIND OF A BIGGER, A BIGGER PROJECT. DON'T SEE THAT VERY MUCH ANYMORE WITH SOME OF THE PROBLEMS THAT WE'VE SEEN WITH SOLAR PANELS AND HOW THEY IMPACT HOMEOWNERS. SOME OF THE METRICS, JUST THIS FISCAL YEAR TO DATE, 2023 THE AMOUNT OF MONEY THAT IS FUNDED FOR THAT WE USE FOR FUNDING, THE GREAT UPDATE REBATE PROGRAM IS $497,000 PER YEAR. WE HAVE ABOUT $280,000 ADDITIONAL FUNDS FOR OTHER TYPES OF UPDATE PROGRAMS THAT IF WE DON'T SPEND IT ALL, SOMETIMES WE CAN APPLY IT TO THE GREAT UPDATE REBATE THIS YEAR. WE WILL NOT BE ABLE TO DO THAT. BUT SO WE'RE GOING TO BE CAPPED AT $497,000. THE HOMEOWNER INVESTMENT THIS YEAR IS ALMOST $2 MILLION. WE FUND IT WITH A RATIO OF 1 TO 4, 4 TO 1. PROJECT AVERAGE. BOTH THIS YEAR AND JUST OVER, THE LIFE OF THE PROGRAM IS ABOUT $29,000 PER PROJECT. AND THE REBATE AVERAGE RIGHT THERE, YOU CAN SEE, IS SOMEWHERE BETWEEN $4,600 AND $4,800. AND JUST SOME PICTURES SO, YOU KNOW, WHEN WE LOOK AT SOME OF THESE HOUSES THAT WE SEE IN THOSE CENTRAL LOCATIONS OR EAST PLANO, YOU KNOW, WE GOT CERTAINLY WINDOWS FENCING THAT WE GET A LOT OF REQUESTS FOR. POOLS. WE DO NOT REBATE FOR POOL OR PUTTING IN POOLS, SPAS, THAT SORT OF THING. WHAT WE WILL DO IS REBATE FOR DOING SOME POOL WORK, REMODELING THAT OR FILLING IN POOLS, WHICH IS WHICH DOES HAPPEN HERE IN PLANO OCCASIONALLY. ALSO SOME LANDSCAPING IMPROVEMENTS TO THESE HOUSES AND THEN SOME INTERNAL AGAIN, SOME INTERIOR DESIGN WORK. AND IN THIS CASE, I KNOW IT'S HARD TO SEE, BUT THEY TOOK OUT A WALL KIND OF OPENING UP THAT AREA. AND SO CERTAINLY MAKING IT LOOK A LOT NICER. JUST A LITTLE BIT ON THE FEEDBACK, WE HAVE 73% OF PARTICIPANTS SAYING, HEY, THE ABILITY FOR THEM TO GET A REBATE BASED ON SOME OF THIS WORK HAS, HAS ALLOWED THEM TO INCREASE THE THE WORK THAT THEY'VE DONE ON HOME REPAIRS. SO JUST SOME FOR JUST FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION IN THE DISCUSSION THAT WE THAT THAT YOU HAVE ON THIS PROGRAM ON WHAT TO DO WITH IT. ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE DID JUST LAST YEAR IN TRYING TO GET FEEDBACK FOR SOME OF OUR PROGRAMS, WE DID TALK WITH PROGRAM PARTICIPANTS AND ALSO REALTORS HERE. JUST ASKING, HEY, WHAT DO THEY THINK? WHAT HELPS THEM OUT? AND SO SOME OF THE RECOMMENDATIONS THAT CAME BACK TO US WAS TO, TO DIFFERENTIATE BETWEEN ELDERLY AND AND NON ELDERLY, ELDERLY UNDER THE HUD DEFINITION IS 62 PLUS. AND SO LOOK AT REBATING 30% BOTH INTERIOR AND EXTERIOR. AND ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT RIGHT NOW IS IS YOU KNOW ORIGINALLY THIS PROGRAM WAS DESIGNED TO REALLY KIND OF COMPETE AT THAT TIME WITH SOME OF THESE OUTER AREAS THAT, YOU KNOW, WE HAD YOUNG FAMILIES GOING TO THE FRISCO, THE MCKINNEY, THAT SORT OF THING. THIS WOULD BE A WAY OF COMPETING WITH THOSE WITH WITH THOSE CITIES. I THINK MAYBE THAT WHAT WE'VE DONE IS WE'VE PROBABLY GOTTEN AWAY A LITTLE BIT AWAY FROM THAT. AND NOW WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT IS AS OUR POPULATION IS GROWING OLDER AND AND THEY WANT TO THEY WANT TO AGE IN PLACE. THIS PROGRAM NOW ALLOWS THEM TO DO SOME OF THOSE RENOVATIONS TO DEAL WITH SOME OF THE PROBLEMS THAT THEY MAY HAVE AS THEY, AS THEY AGE IN PLACE. SO LIKE I SAID, ONE OF THE RECOMMENDATIONS IS TO NOW FUND INCREASE UP TO 30% FOR ELDERLY HOMEOWNERS AND THE NON ELDERLY, INCREASE IT TO 15% FOR INTERIOR, 30% TO EXTERIOR. THE MAXIMUM REBATE WOULD BE $6,500. PROPERTY AGE WE THE RECOMMENDATION WAS DROP IT DOWN FROM 35 TO 30 YEARS. NO CHANGE ON THE FHA LIMIT. THAT JUST ALLOWS US AS AS THOSE LIMITS INCREASE, WE DON'T HAVE TO KEEP COMING BACK TO COUNCIL FOR PERMISSION TO CHANGE THOSE. AND THEN ALSO THE MINIMUM PROJECT COSTS, MAKE SURE THAT THAT THAT MAINTAINS AT $20,000. [00:45:02] SO AND IF WE DO THAT, JUST ONE OF THE THINGS THAT THAT WE LOOK AT IS WHAT THAT WOULD DO IS THAT WOULD INCREASE THE NUMBER OF HOUSING UNITS IN PLANO BY ABOUT 2700 UNITS. SO WE'D GO UP TO ALMOST I THINK IT'S $29,000. I CAN'T SEE IT FROM HERE. BUT SO WE JUST HAVE AN INCREASE OF ALMOST 2700 UNITS HERE IN PLANO. AND SO WITH THAT, IF I MAY ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU HAVE. OKAY. I THOUGHT WHAT WE DO BECAUSE SINCE WE'RE, WE'RE REALLY GIVING SOME RECOMMENDATIONS TO CURTIS AND STAFF TO, TO COME BACK WITH VET SOME OF THESE RECOMMENDATIONS OUT TO SEE WHETHER THEY, YOU KNOW, WORK OR NOT. SO I THOUGHT I'D JUST GO AROUND THE HORN HERE. AND IF ANYBODY HAS SOME THOUGHTS ABOUT THE PRESENTATION OR RECOMMENDATIONS CHANGES OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT, WE WE CAN GIVE THOSE TO CURTIS AND HIS STAFF TO FIND OUT WHAT, WHAT THAT EFFECT WOULD ACTUALLY MEAN TO TO THE CITY OF PLANO. SO, SHELBY, YOU WANT TO START. SURE. AND CAN YOU PLEASE PUT THE SUMMARY OF RECOMMENDATIONS BACK UP ON THE SCREEN? YEAH. YES, SIR. SO AS I'VE SAID FOR SOME TIME I STRUGGLE FUNDAMENTALLY WITH THIS PROGRAM, PARTICULARLY IN THE NATURE OF INTERIOR PROJECTS, THINGS LIKE UPDATING COUNTERTOPS, FLOORING. I'M PHILOSOPHICALLY OKAY WITH IT, I THINK FOR EXTERIOR PROJECTS WHERE IT'S ACTUALLY GOING TO RESULT IN AN INCREASE IN THE TAXABLE VALUE OF A HOME. THIS GOES ALONG THE LINES OF WE'RE GOING TO PROVIDE SOME SORT OF A TAX PROPERTY TAX REBATE. SO AS NOT TO PENALIZE THEM FOR IMPROVING THE VALUE OF THEIR PROPERTY. HOWEVER, IMPROVEMENTS TO THE INTERIOR DON'T GET REFLECTED IN THE CENTRAL APPRAISAL DISTRICT'S VALUATION, AND IT'S JUST FREE MONEY. I HAVE PARTICULAR CONCERNS WHEN IT COMES TO THE CUT OFFS. SO 62 PLUS IS THE ELDERLY OCCUPIED CUT OFF ABOUT FOR 61 FOR, YOU KNOW, SIGNIFICANT REPAIRS THAT ARE NEEDED. WHILE I BELIEVE THIS PROGRAM WAS WELL INTENTIONED I THINK THERE ARE THERE ARE ISSUES WITH IT THAT CREATE JUST A, A REALLY AN UNFAIR LANDSCAPE FOR PLANO CITIZENS. AS I'VE SAID BEFORE, I WOULD LIKE TO SEE A PROGRAM WHERE EVERYBODY SMALL BUSINESSES AND HOMEOWNERS ALIKE COULD BENEFIT FROM SOMETHING LIKE A PROPERTY TAX ABATEMENT. YOU KNOW, I KNOW WE'RE WORKING ON A POTENTIAL GRANT FUND TO ADDRESS SOME OF THAT IN A MORE STREAMLINED MANNER, BUT THAT'S THAT'S THE SAME PHILOSOPHICAL CONCEPT HERE, AND I'D LOVE TO SEE WHERE WE COULD APPROPRIATELY INCENTIVIZE PEOPLE TO IMPROVE THEIR PROPERTY. OR AT LEAST DISINCENTIVIZE OR REMOVE THE DISINCENTIVE FOR THEM TO IMPROVE THEIR PROPERTY BECAUSE THEIR PROPERTY TAXES ARE GOING TO INCREASE AS A RESULT. OKAY. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. RICK? THANK YOU, MAYOR. I'LL TAKE A LITTLE DIFFERENT VIEW. I DO THINK THE PROGRAM IS A GOOD PROGRAM. AND AND WHILE COUNCILMAN WILLIAMS STATEMENT ABOUT THAT, YOU KNOW, INTERIOR TYPICALLY MIGHT NOT UP THE THE APPRAISED VALUE IF IT IS A REQUIREMENT TO GET A BUILDING PERMIT, SOMETHING THAT WOULD BE, I WOULD ASSUME, AS MOST THINGS THAT WOULD BE AVAILABLE, THAT WOULD BE SEEN, IT WOULD BE ADDED TO INCREASE THE, THE TAXABLE VALUE. SO NOT NOT ALL INTERIORS WOULD NOT BE ELIGIBLE TO, YOU KNOW, TO INCREASE THAT TAXABLE VALUE. I LIKE THE PROPOSAL THAT WE HAVE HERE, THE THE CHANGES INCREASING IT. I'M KIND OF WOULD LEAN. I WOULD LIKE TO SEE US TALK A LITTLE BIT MORE ABOUT RESTRICTING THIS TO OWNER OCCUPIED FACILITIES AND NOT REALLY, YOU KNOW, NON-OWNER OCCUPIED RENTAL TYPE FACILITIES BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, IF YOU'RE A BUSINESS, YOU'RE IN BUSINESS. I MEAN, YOU MAKE YOUR INVESTMENTS, THE BUSINESS PAYS FOR THE INVESTMENTS AND SO FORTH. ONE ADDITION THAT I'D LIKE TO TO CONSIDER, AND I DON'T KNOW HOW WE WOULD DO THAT, BUT THERE I WAS, READING AN ARTICLE, I THINK, OVER THE WEEKEND THAT YOU KNOW, MORE PEOPLE ARE UPDATING THEIR HOUSE TO BE ABLE TO ACCOMMODATE THE OLDER, YOU KNOW OCCUPANTS OF THOSE HOMES. SO PERHAPS WE ADD SOMETHING THAT IF YOU'RE DOING INTERIOR, ALTHOUGH, YOU KNOW, I UNDERSTAND WHY, LIKE SHELBY SAID, WE'RE, YOU KNOW, WE WANT TO LIMIT THE INTERIOR AND [00:50:02] REALLY CONCENTRATE MORE ON THE EXTERIOR. BUT IF IF THEY'RE GOING TO BE DOING ADA OR OTHER, YOU KNOW, LIVABILITY, YOU KNOW, HANDICAP TYPE OR AGE RELATED LIVABILITY IMPROVEMENTS TO THEIR HOME, I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THAT QUALIFY FOR MAYBE THE SAME AS THE EXTERIOR YOU KNOW, REIMBURSEMENTS, YOU KNOW, TO ENCOURAGE THAT BECAUSE IF PEOPLE DECIDE THEY DO WANT TO STAY IN THEIR, IN THEIR HOMES LONGER, THIS PERHAPS WOULD HELP THEM TO DO THAT. SO THAT'S, THAT'S THE ONLY OBSERVATION THAT I HAVE ON IT. BUT REAL QUICK FOR CLARIFICATION, I THINK IF THERE ARE 62 AND OVER, THE INTERIOR OR EXTERIOR WOULD BOTH BE AT THAT 30%, I THINK. IS THAT IS THAT CORRECT? YES. THAT'S CORRECT. SO IF THEY'RE OVER 62 AND THEY'RE MAKING THOSE MODIFICATIONS TO THE HOME, WHETHER IT'S INTERIOR, OKAY, I SAW ONLY IF IT'S BOTH INTERIOR AND EXTERIOR, I'M TALKING ABOUT IF THEY JUST NO IT'S EITHER INTERIOR. IT'S IF IT'S JUST INTERIOR BUT THEY'RE 62 OR OLDER RIGHT NOW OR DOES IT HAVE TO BE BOTH. IT WOULD BE IT WOULD BE BOTH 30%. IF YOU'RE 62 PLUS EITHER INTERIOR OR EXTERIOR OKAY. THAT WOULD BE REBATED AT 30%. YEP. OKAY. GOOD. SO YOU'RE A MIND READER. YES. YES, SIR. THOUGHT ABOUT IT. THAT'S PRETTY SCARY. BUT BUT AGAIN, I THINK THAT WOULD BE GOOD. THAT WOULD, MIGHT ENCOURAGE AGAIN TO SAY THE, YOU KNOW, THE LIVING IN FOR OLDER PEOPLE TO HAVE IT BE MORE ACCOMMODATING FOR THEM AS THEY AGE IN PLACE. AND I THINK ONE OF THE THINGS WE TALKED ABOUT IS, YOU KNOW, BECAUSE BECAUSE TRYING TO FIGURE THAT OUT, THESE ARE NOT NECESSARILY ADA STANDARDS. RIGHT? THESE ARE LIVABILITY STANDARDS. EXACTLY. AND SO THINGS LIKE COUNTERTOPS, HIGHER COUNTERTOPS, REMOVING WALLS TO ALLOW ACCESS FOR PEOPLE WHO MIGHT BE USING A WALKER OR A CANE OR A WHEELCHAIR. SO IT DOES. IT WOULD GET A LITTLE FUZZY ON THAT. BUT THOSE ARE CERTAINLY ISSUES. YEP. YEAH. ALL THAT TYPE OF THING. WE CAN CERTAINLY LOOK AT THAT. YES, SIR. I'VE ALSO ALWAYS FELT THAT WE SHOULD NOT INCLUDE INTERIOR BEAUTIFICATION EFFORTS IN THIS, THAT'S MY PERSONAL OPINION. I, I FEEL LIKE AS OUR HOMES ARE AGING, THAT WE NEED TO BE FOCUSED MORE ON THE ABSOLUTE NECESSARY REPAIRS THAT HAVE TO HAPPEN. AND I THINK THAT I'D LIKE TO SEE US INCREASE THE ASSESSED VALUE OF THE HOME FOR REPAIRS, LIKE CAST IRON PIPE REPLACEMENTS, THAT, I MEAN, LET'S BE HONEST, NOBODY REPLACES THAT JUST FOR FUN. I MEAN, IT'S A IT'S A NECESSITY. AND SO THAT'S BASED MORE ON THE, THE AGE OF THE HOME OR JUST THE FACT THAT THEY'VE GOT THE CAST IRON PIPE. SO I WOULD LIKE TO SEE YOU KNOW, ELIMINATION OF BEAUTIFICATION FOR INTERNAL SO THAT THOSE DOLLARS COULD GO MORE TOWARDS THINGS THAT ARE ABSOLUTELY NECESSARY. ADA COMPLIANCE COULD BE AN EXCEPTION. BUT THAT BRINGS UP AN INTERESTING POINT. IS, ARE YOU MAKING THESE IMPROVEMENTS SO THAT YOU CAN STAY IN THE HOME? AND IF THAT'S THE CASE, THEN PERHAPS WE SHOULD CONSIDER THE REBATE BEING PAID BACK OVER A COUPLE OF YEARS INSTEAD OF IMMEDIATELY TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT LONG TERM. AND THAT FREES UP SOME SOME DOLLARS AS WELL TO, TO SUPPORT THE PROGRAM A LITTLE BIT LONGER. I THINK THE. THE OTHER ISSUE WAS THERE WAS A SPEAKER BROUGHT UP BEFORE THE FACT THAT WE HAVE A LIMIT, OR WE HAVE TO SPEND A CERTAIN AMOUNT BEFORE IT CAN BE REBATED. I DON'T REALLY UNDERSTAND THE POINT OF THAT IF PEOPLE ARE SPENDING MORE MONEY AND THEN WE'RE REIMBURSING MORE MONEY, THAT'S NOT REALLY WHAT'S WANTED OR NEEDED. SO I'D LIKE TO LOOK AT MAYBE ELIMINATING THAT UNLESS THERE'S A REASON FOR IT. I DON'T KNOW IF WE'RE TRYING TO ELIMINATE LIMIT THE NUMBER OF APPLICATIONS AND THE ADMINISTRATIVE BURDEN THAT MAY GO ALONG WITH WITH THE PROGRAM. I DEFINITELY WOULD LIKE TO ONLY ALLOW HOMESTEADED PROPERTIES TO BE ELIGIBLE FOR THIS B ECAUSE I THINK THAT'S REALLY THE GOAL IS THAT WE'RE TRYING TO, YOU KNOW, TAKE CARE OF OUR PEOPLE THAT HAVE LIVED HERE AND WANT TO BE ABLE TO STAY IN THEIR PROPERTIES, AND MIGHT ALSO BE A REASON TO ENTERTAIN LOOKING AT HOW LONG HAVE THE PEOPLE BEEN IN THEIR PROPERTIES AS A CRITERIA FOR BEING ELIGIBLE? IF SOMEONE JUST MOVED IN AND NOW THEY'RE APPLYING FOR MONEY, MAYBE, YOU KNOW, IT WOULD BE MORE FAIR TO LEAVE THAT THOSE DOLLARS AVAILABLE TO SOMEONE THAT'S ALREADY BEEN IN THE HOME FOR A WHILE. I THINK THOSE ARE ALL MY COMMENTS. REAL QUICK CLARIFICATION, CURTIS, THE REBATE IS NOT PAID BACK. THIS IS A GRANT. THIS THIS IS A GRANT, RIGHT? BASED ON IT'S NEVER REPAID BY THEM. WHILE THERE'S AN INVESTMENT THAT BASICALLY GETS PAID BACK IN A FORM OF VALUE, THAT IT'S REVENUE COMING BACK TO THE CITY, THERE'S NOT A REPAYMENT NECESSARILY FROM THE OWNER DIRECTLY TO THE TO WELL, IT IS KIND OF DIRECTLY FOR THE CITY, BUT IT'S NOT FOR IT'S NOT FOR THAT GRANT PURPOSE, IF THAT MAKES SENSE. SO IT'S NOT IT'S NOT A LOAN. IT IS TRULY A GRANT THAT WE ARE REBATING BACK A CERTAIN PORTION OF THE PROJECT AMOUNT. SO MECHANICALLY, THAT'S HOW THAT WORKS. AND THEN THE ONLY OTHER THING I WAS GOING TO TO MENTION ON ON THAT ELEMENT IS THE MINIMUM AMOUNT, I THINK THE COMMENT FROM ONE OF OUR CITIZENS MAYBE LAST MEETING [00:55:05] WAS THAT THEY GOT CLOSE TO THE MINIMUM AMOUNT, BUT THEY WEREN'T QUITE THERE. AND SO THEY HAD TO ADD ON SOME PROJECT COST IN ORDER TO REACH THE MINIMUM AMOUNT. I THINK THAT'S WHAT THE DESCRIPTION. PALM TREES. CORRECT. BUT HE DIDN'T REALLY WANT BUT HE NEEDED THEM TO GET IT TO BECOME ELIGIBLE. BUT I THINK THE MINIMUM PROJECT COST, THAT'S ONE OF THE THINGS THAT'S ELIGIBLE IF COUNCIL WANTS TO LOWER THAT OR ADJUST THAT, YOU'RE WELCOME TO DO THAT. BUT I THINK WHEN YOU'RE WHEN YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THOSE ELEMENTS AGAIN, IT BECOMES HOW MANY HOW MANY PROJECTS WOULD BE ELIGIBLE AND HOW QUICKLY THOSE DOLLARS WOULD MOVE. OKAY. DEPUTY MAYOR. YES. SO I THINK IT'S BEEN BROUGHT UP IN A WHOLE BUNCH OF DIFFERENT TIMES, EVEN IN, I THINK COUNCILMAN RICCIARDELLI LITTLE I GUESS. SUMMARY. AND ALSO COUNCILMAN HOLMER ALSO BROUGHT UP IS THE QUESTION IS WHAT IS THE GOAL AND OBJECTIVE OF THIS PROGRAM? AND AND DO WE HAVE ONE? WHAT IS THE MISSION STATEMENT? WHAT IS THE GOAL THAT WE'RE TRYING TO ACCOMPLISH WITH GUR? AND I THINK THAT'S REALLY IMPORTANT BECAUSE THEN IT IT WOULD DEFINE WHERE THE MONEY NEEDS TO GO. SO IF THE IF THE PROGRAM IS GOING TO BE DESIGNED TO HELP THOSE PEOPLE WHO WANT TO STAY IN PLACE, WELL THEN INTERIOR BEAUTIFICATION, ACCESS, ADA ACCESS, THOSE ARE ALL BECOME IMPORTANT BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT IS NECESSARY FOR THOSE ELDERLY WHO WANTS TO STAY IN PLACE. AND THAT'S THE GOAL AND OBJECTIVE OF THIS PROGRAM. IF THE PROGRAM IS TO INCREASE THE VALUE OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND BEAUTIFICATION OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD FOR THE BEST INTERESTS OF PLANO, THEN I THINK THE INTERIOR BEAUTIFICATION PROBABLY NEEDS TO TAKE A BACK SEAT TO WHAT'S GOING TO BEAUTIFY THE NEIGHBORHOOD, YOU KNOW, THE ENTIRE STREET. AND YOU KNOW, WHETHER OR NOT IT'S THE CAST IRON PIPES, WHETHER OR NOT IT'S THE STREET CROSSWALKS, THE LAWNS THE FENCE, I MEAN, THOSE THINGS BECOME MORE, MORE MORE IMPORTANT. SO I THINK THAT'S WHERE I THINK WE'RE HAVING THIS DUAL PROBLEM WHERE WE'RE HAVING, YOU KNOW WE'RE SORT OF SPLIT BECAUSE OF, WELL, WHERE DO WE PUT THE GOAL AND OBJECTIVE? WHAT IS OUR GOAL AND OBJECTIVE? SO IF YOU ASK ME PERSONALLY, I OBVIOUSLY BELIEVE THAT ALL THOSE STAY IN PLACE IS VERY IMPORTANT. I THINK AS PART OF CITY OF PLANO, THE BEST INTEREST OF PLANO IS TO IS TO ENSURE THE VALUE OF ALL PROPERTIES IN IN PLANO TO MAINTAIN A CERTAIN STANDARD. AND SO FOR ME THEN THE EXTERIOR IMPROVEMENT BECOMES MORE IMPORTANT FOR ME. SO THAT'S WHAT I'M TRYING TO GET AT. MAYBE THAT IS SOMETHING THAT YOUR DEPARTMENT NEEDS TO FIGURE OUT WHETHER OR NOT THIS IS SOMETHING THAT YOU GUYS NEED TO HAVE A MISSION STATEMENT TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHERE EXACTLY ARE YOU GUYS GOING? BECAUSE ONCE WE'RE WE'RE CLEAR AS TO WHERE WE'RE GOING, THEN THE MONEY BECOMES CLEAR AS TO WHERE IT NEEDS TO BE FUNDED. THAT'S WHERE THAT'S ALL I'M SAYING. AND I CAN TELL YOU SO. SO ORIGINALLY, THE GOAL OF THE PROGRAM WAS TO MAKE HOUSES AND NEIGHBORHOODS MORE ATTRACTIVE TO NEW BUYERS, PRESERVING AFFORDABLE HOUSING AND SUPPORTING THE CITY'S TAX BASE. SO THAT WAS THE ORIGINAL GOAL BACK, YOU KNOW, AGAIN, 11 YEARS AGO NOW, AS THINGS HAVE CHANGED, CERTAINLY YOU KNOW, THERE'S THERE'S PROBABLY, YOU KNOW, WHETHER OR NOT THAT GOAL IS EXPANDED, WHETHER OR NOT YOU KNOW, THAT IS THAT IS THE ONLY THING THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT. I THINK THAT MAYBE AS WE GO FORWARD, THAT'S WHERE YOU COME IN, IS TO TELL US WHAT WOULD YOU LIKE TO IF YOU WANT TO CONTINUE WITH THIS PROGRAM, WHAT WOULD YOU LIKE THE GOAL TO BE? WELL, I THINK IT'S REALLY IMPORTANT THAT THE RESIDENTS HAVE AN INPUT, CERTAINLY. ALSO TO ALSO LOOK AT THE COUNCIL'S IDEA OF WHAT, YOU KNOW, WE WANT, HOW WE WANT THESE FUNDS TO BE EXPENDED. OBVIOUSLY, IF WE, WE IF WE SPLIT IT UP HALF AND HALF, NOBODY'S GOING TO BE HAPPY. BUT IF WE FOCUS THE THE MONEY THAT WE HAVE IN DOING SPECIFIC, YOU KNOW, SPECIFIC TYPE PROJECTS, I THINK WE COULD GET, YOU KNOW, WE CAN GET SOMEWHERE SO THAT THAT'S ALL I'M SAYING. I THINK IT WOULD BE REALLY INTERESTING. I'LL BE REALLY INTERESTED IN HEARING WHAT OTHER MEMBERS THINK THE GOAL AND OBJECTIVE IS FOR THE GUR I DON'T LIKE. I SAID I ALREADY GAVE MY OPINION WHAT I THINK IT SHOULD BE USED FOR SO. MAYOR PRO TEM. WELL, I THINK GREAT MINDS THINK ALIKE BECAUSE MARIA SAID A LOT OF THINGS THAT I WAS GOING TO SAY SO, BUT I WAS JUST GOING TO MENTION THAT SINCE I'VE BEEN ON COUNCIL FOR A VERY LONG TIME NOW, THAT I FEEL LIKE THIS HAS CHANGED A LITTLE BIT. RIGHT. AND TO YOUR POINT, I REMEMBERED IT TO BE A PURPOSE OF TRYING TO IMPROVE HOUSING STOCK AND DRAW PEOPLE TO PLANO. [01:00:06] AND NOW IT FEELS LIKE WE'RE TALKING A LOT ABOUT THINGS TO TRY TO KEEP PEOPLE IN THEIR HOMES, SAFETY ISSUES, MORE MITIGATING ISSUES. AND SO I WAS GOING TO BRING UP SIMILAR COMMENTS. IT'S HARD FOR ME TO MAKE COMMENTS ABOUT IF I LIKE ALL OF THESE CHANGES, IF WE'RE NOT SOLIDIFIED ON WHAT PROBLEM WE'RE TRYING TO SOLVE OR WHAT THE PURPOSE OF IT IS. SO I DO THINK WE ALL NEED TO ALIGN ON THAT. AND MAYBE IT IS, YOU KNOW, SEPARATE, SEPARATE PROGRAMS. BUT FOR ME, I WOULD PREFER TO TAKE A LONG TERM VIEW OF, YOU KNOW, WE ARE COMPETING WITH CITIES TO GET RESIDENTS WITH NEWER, SHINIER HOMES. AND I THINK WE HAVE TO TAKE THAT INTO CONSIDERATION THAT WE NEED TO HAVE WE, WE SEE ALL THE STATISTICS ABOUT WITH PLANO ISD AND CLOSING SCHOOLS BECAUSE THEY HAVE DECREASING ENROLLMENT. AND WE NEED LONG TERM WE NEED YOUNG FAMILIES TO COME. AND THEY WANT HOUSES THAT ARE NEW AND SHINY. SO I THINK THAT PURPOSE IS IMPORTANT FOR US TO KEEP IN MIND. WE HAVE A LOT OF PROGRAMS ALREADY IN PLACE THAT WILL KEEP THAT ARE ENTICING TO KEEP SENIORS HERE. AND SO I THINK THAT IF WE DON'T KEEP IN MIND THINGS TO DRAW YOUNG FAMILIES HERE, THERE'S A LOT OF PEOPLE AROUND US THAT ARE DOING THAT, AND SO WE CAN'T LOSE SIGHT OF THAT. SO BUT I THINK WE NEED TO REALLY ALIGN ON WHAT THE PURPOSE IS. OTHERWISE WE'RE GOING TO HAVE 500 DIFFERENT IDEAS. AND TO MARIA'S POINT, WE'RE NOT REALLY GOING TO ACCOMPLISH ANYTHING. OKAY. COUNCIL MEMBER HORNE. THANK YOU. FIRST OF ALL, I WANT TO THE GUR PROGRAM SEEMS TO BE A SUCCESS. OKAY? AND I LIKE WHERE IT'S GOING, BUT I THINK THERE'S CERTAINLY LOOKS AT CHANGES AS OUR POPULATION IS CHANGING. FIRST, I THINK WE NEED TO BE CONSISTENT AND MAKE SURE THAT THE HOMEOWNERS ARE THERE. WE HAVE A HOMESTEAD EXEMPTION. SO HAVE IT SO IT'S NOT SOME INVESTOR COMING IN AND TAKING ADVANTAGE OF US ON THAT. BUT I THINK ALSO WE NEED TO TIE IT TO THE BEAUTIFICATION AS PRO TEM AND DEPUTY MAYOR PRO TEM AND MAYOR PRO TEM ALLUDED TO, IT IS THE BEAUTIFICATION. I MEAN, WE GO THROUGH SOME OF OUR NEIGHBORHOODS I SAID, THAT HOUSE CAN USE IT. THAT HOUSE CAN USE IT. SO I THINK THAT'S SOMETHING WE NEED TO LOOK AT. BUT WHAT I'D LIKE TO SEE ALSO TIED TO THAT IS THAT IF WE'RE GOING TO BE DOING EXTERIOR WORK LOOK AT ENERGY EFFICIENCIES. IF WE'RE GOING TO BE CONCENTRATING ON WINDOWS AND OPENING DOORS, MAKE SURE THAT WE MAYBE PRIORITIZE THAT TO WHERE IF WE DO HELP THEM INSTALL NEW WINDOWS AND DOORS, THAT THERE'S GOING TO BE SOMEWHAT A RETURN ON INVESTMENT FROM THE ENERGY SAVINGS THERE. THE INTERIORS I GOT MIXED FEELINGS WITH THAT. I JUST DON'T WANT IT TO BE JUST A BEAUTIFICATION. BUT I DO THINK WITH OUR AGING CITIZENS THAT WE NEED TO BE COGNIZANT OF THE ADA, ABA REQUIREMENTS. THINGS LIKE WIDENING DOORS, CHANGING DOOR HANDLES LOWERING CABINETS CHANGING PLUMBING FIXTURES. THOSE ARE HUGE COST EXPENSE AND I THINK THAT'S WHERE WE'RE LOOKING AT IF SOMEONE IS AGING IN PLACE, WE'VE GOT TO BE MINDFUL OF THEM TO HAVE A TRIP FALL MITIGATION AVOIDANCE, IF YOU WILL. SO THOSE ARE ELEMENTS THAT I THINK THAT WE IF WE'RE LOOKING AT INTERIOR WORK, WE OUGHT TO FOCUS MORE ON THAT. AND [INAUDIBLE] I THINK IT WAS PRETTY MUCH THE MAIN ELEMENTS I WAS LOOKING AT WITH THE BEAUTIFICATION, BUT TIE IT TO ENERGY EFFICIENCY HOMESTEAD AND THEN ALSO THE ABA ADA COMPLIANCE ON THE INTERIOR. OKAY, ANTHONY. THANK YOU MAYOR. THREE MINUTES. YOU GOT IT. ALL RIGHT. SO I'D LIKE TO TO START BY BRINGING UP SOMETHING THAT HASN'T BEEN DISCUSSED YET TONIGHT, WHICH IS THAT THE GREAT UPDATE REBATE PROGRAM IS SUCH A HIGHLY ATTRACTIVE PROGRAM TO PLANO HOMEOWNERS THAT WE HAVE ACTUALLY HAVE MORE APPLICANTS THAN WE HAVE FUNDING EVERY YEAR. INFORMATION PROVIDED BY THE STAFF SHOWS THAT WE TYPICALLY RUN OUT OF FUNDS IN JUNE OF EVERY YEAR AND OF COURSE, OUR FISCAL YEAR GOES THROUGH THE END OF SEPTEMBER. LAST FISCAL YEAR, THERE WERE 152 PROJECTS FUNDED, BUT THERE WERE ANOTHER 28 POTENTIAL PROJECTS THAT WERE NOT FUNDED. SO ANYTHING THAT WE ALLOW IS CROWDING OUT SOMEBODY ELSE WHO'S NOT GOING TO HAVE FUNDS REMAINING FOR THEM. I AGREE THAT HAVING A CLEAR MISSION IS IS REALLY CRITICAL. THE RESPONSE PROVIDED BY THE STAFF ABOUT THE ORIGINAL FROM 2014 PURPOSE OF THE GREAT UPDATE REBATE, WHICH I THINK IS THE ONLY ONE THAT REALLY ALIGNS WITH A PUBLIC BENEFIT THAT MERITS USING TAXPAYER FUNDS IN TALKS ABOUT REVITALIZING NEIGHBORHOODS AND PROMOTING ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT. SO IF WE'RE TALKING ABOUT REVITALIZING NEIGHBORHOODS, WE'RE REALLY FOCUSED ON THE EXTERIOR. WE'RE NOT FOCUSED ON THE INTERIOR, WHICH PROVIDES A PRIVATE BENEFIT. [01:05:04] AND SO, YOU KNOW, I'M LIKE COUNCIL MEMBERS WILLIAMS HOLMER HORNE. I WOULD TAKE OUT THE INTERIOR BEAUTIFICATION. I AM OKAY WITH ADA ACCESSIBILITY TYPE THINGS. I THINK, YOU KNOW, IF WE'RE TALKING A CHAIR LIFT FOR THE STAIRS, WIDENING A DOORWAY, SOMETHING LIKE THAT. I MEAN, I THINK THAT'S OKAY FOR THE CITY TO HELP OUT WITH THAT. BUT IF SOMEBODY'S PUTTING IN GRANITE COUNTERTOPS, YOU KNOW, I THINK THEY CAN DO THAT ON THEIR OWN DIME. AND GOOD FOR THEM IF THEY DO. SO I THINK THAT THAT'S ONE THING THAT'S CRITICAL TO LOOK AT. ANOTHER THING YOU KNOW, THAT I'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT FOR AT LEAST SINCE THE AUGUST 2022 BUDGET WORKSHOP, BUT IT SOUNDS LIKE WE HAVE CONSENSUS ON THIS. THIS REALLY NEEDS TO BE OWNER OCCUPIED, BECAUSE OTHERWISE HOUSE FLIPPERS CAN USE THIS TO PAD THEIR PROFIT MARGIN. YOU KNOW, PRIVATE EQUITY FIRMS THAT OWN PORTFOLIOS OF RENTAL HOMES CAN USE THIS TO PAD THEIR PROFIT MARGIN. AND THE WHOLE POINT OF HAVING A MAXIMUM VALUE IS TO BE A PROXY FOR MEANS TESTING. SO, YOU KNOW, I THINK WE AND IT SOUNDS LIKE EVERYONE'S ON BOARD WITH THAT. ABSOLUTELY. WE NEED TO TAKE OUT THE 6 TO 7% THAT'S NOT OWNER OCCUPIED. BUT BUT I THINK REALLY THE ISSUE THAT HAS BEEN EXTENSIVELY DISCUSSED IS WHAT DO WE DO WITH THESE INTERIOR IMPROVEMENTS, AT LEAST WHEN THEY'RE NOT ADA WHEN THEY'RE NOT ACCESSIBILITY. AND I JUST THINK WE HAVE TO TAKE THOSE OUT BECAUSE WHEN WE'RE FUNDING THOSE, THAT MEANS THAT THERE ARE EXTERIOR IMPROVEMENTS THAT WOULD KEEP AGING NEIGHBORHOODS UP, THAT WOULD, YOU KNOW, MAKE SURE THAT PLANO REMAINS A NICE LOOKING CITY AND THAT IMPACTS EVERYBODY'S PROPERTY VALUES, THEREBY PROVIDING A PUBLIC BENEFIT. AND THERE ARE PROJECTS OF THAT TYPE THAT ARE UNFORTUNATELY NOT GETTING FUNDED. SO AND I ALSO JUST WANT TO ADDRESS A COUPLE OF ADDITIONAL POINTS THAT I THINK ARE REALLY IMPORTANT BECAUSE WE DO FUND INTERNAL, YOU KNOW, TENANT IMPROVEMENTS IN OUR ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT PROGRAM. BUT THE STAFF HAS LOOKED INTO THIS AND THERE'S NO DATA TO SUPPORT. CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, DIRECTOR HOWARD, BUT THERE'S NO DATA TO SUPPORT THE IDEA THAT WE ACTUALLY GET MORE PROPERTY TAX REVENUE AS A RESULT OF THE GREAT UPDATE REBATE. IT JUST DOESN'T TYPICALLY INCREASE PROPERTY VALUES. THAT'S NOT REALLY THE PURPOSE OF THE PROGRAM. SO IT'S VERY DIFFERENT FROM THAT OTHER PROGRAM. AND FINALLY ACTUALLY TWO QUICK LAST POINTS, ONE REASON THAT WAS GIVEN FOR INTERIOR IMPROVEMENTS IN KIND OF THE FOCUS GROUP THAT THE STAFF PROVIDED INFORMATION ABOUT WAS THAT PROVIDING REBATES FOR INTERIOR IMPROVEMENTS COULD BE USED TO ENCOURAGE POTENTIAL HOME BUYERS TO PURCHASE OLDER HOMES IN PLANO. BUT WE'RE ALWAYS TALKING ABOUT A HOUSING SHORTAGE, AND ESPECIALLY A SHORTAGE OF MORE ATTAINABLE AFFORDABLE HOUSING, WHICH OFTEN IS THIS OLDER HOUSING STOCK. SO ACTUALLY, THE PROBLEM IS NOT THAT WE CAN'T CONVINCE PEOPLE TO BUY IT, IT'S THAT WE DON'T HAVE ENOUGH. AND SO I THINK THAT WHEN YOU WHEN YOU LOOK AT IT THROUGH THAT FRAMEWORK, WE DON'T REALLY NEED A GOVERNMENT PROGRAM USING TAXPAYER FUNDS TO INCENTIVIZE PEOPLE TO BUY OLDER HOMES IN PLANO. IF WE HAD MORE OF THEM, MORE OF THEM COULD BE SOLD. THERE'S ACTUALLY A SHORTAGE. SO WE DON'T WE DON'T NEED GOVERNMENT HELP WITH THAT. AND THEN FINALLY ON THE $5,000 REBATE INCREASING TO $6,500 CONCEPTUALLY, I LOVE THAT BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, THERE ARE BIG PROJECTS THAT MIGHT, YOU KNOW, BENEFIT FROM A BIGGER REBATE. BUT IF WE WE ALREADY WEREN'T ABLE TO FUND 28 OF THE 180 PROJECTS LAST YEAR, IF WE INCREASE IT TO $6,500, THE PEOPLE WHO DO GET FUNDED WILL GET MORE, BUT FEWER PEOPLE WILL GET FUNDED BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, WHEN WHEN THAT AVERAGE INCREASES FROM $4,600 OR $4,800 TO $6,000, YOU KNOW, ALL OF A SUDDEN THAT MONEY'S NOT GOING TO GO AS FAR. AND I DON'T THINK WE CAN SIGNIFICANTLY INCREASE FUNDING TO THE PROGRAM BECAUSE WE'D BE TAKING FROM ROADS, PUBLIC SAFETY, YOU KNOW, THINGS LIKE THAT. SO I WOULD KEEP IT AT $5,000 I WOULD TAKE OUT THE INTERIOR IMPROVEMENTS EXCEPT FOR ADA AND ACCESSIBILITY, AND I WOULD MAKE IT OWNER OCCUPIED ONLY. SO THANK YOU ALL. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU, NOW I THINK EVERYBODY COVERED IT I IS THIS GOING TO TAKE YOU FIVE YEARS TO TO DO THE RESEARCH. IT WILL NOT. NO SIR. GO AHEAD. A COUPLE THINGS I WANT TO MAKE SURE OWNER OCCUPIED FOR SURE FOCUSING ON THE EXTERIOR, HAVING SOME PROVISION FOR ADA AND INTERIOR IMPROVEMENTS FOR PEOPLE THAT ARE GOING THERE AND PLUMBING, PLUMBING AND ELECTRICAL AND SLAB LEAKS AND THINGS LIKE THAT. SO WE THE ENERGY EFFICIENCY ELEMENTS OF THOSE SO I'M JUST GOING TO SAY THE EFFICIENCY SIDE OF THINGS. AND THEN LAST BUT VERY IMPORTANTLY, REDEFINE AND COME BACK WITH A RESTATED PURPOSE TO MAKE IT EASIER TO TO TRACK. SO ARE THOSE IF WE COME BACK WITH THOSE FOUR ELEMENTS AND WE'LL, WE'LL LOOK THROUGH SOME OF THESE OTHER ELEMENTS. BUT THOSE ARE KIND OF THE FOUR MAIN THEMES THAT I TOOK FROM EVERYBODY. I'M SEEING SOME HEAD NODS, SO MAKING SURE I'M NOT SEEING ANY VEHEMENTLY HEAD. BUT SHAKING. NO. SO I THINK THE ONLY THING WAS, DO WE WANT ANY CRITERIA ON HOW LONG PEOPLE HAVE TO BE IN THEIR HOMES? SO THIS IS AN INVESTMENT IN THEIR EXISTING HOME. I DON'T FEEL STRONGLY ONE WAY OR ANOTHER, BUT THAT WAS ONE EXTRA POINT. IF YOU IF YOU JUST LOOK INTO IT AND JUST LOOK AT THE OPTIONS THAT THAT MIGHT BE FEASIBLE. YEP. OKAY. I'LL DO SO. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU EVERYBODY. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. NEXT ITEM IS ITEM SIX CONSENT AND REGULAR AGENDAS. [01:10:05] ANY ITEM COUNCIL MEMBER WOULD LIKE TO REMOVE. MR. MAYOR, I'D LIKE TO PULL ITEM F THE LAND PURCHASE. OKAY. AND ANY OTHER ITEM N AS IN N AS IN NANCY. OKAY. ITEMS FOR DISCUSSION FOR FUTURE AGENDA ITEMS. OKAY. WELL, WE'RE RECESSED AT 7:00. * This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.