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[CALL TO ORDER]
FULL HOUSE.EVERYBODY EXCITED TO BE HERE? SOME OF YOU'RE LAUGHING.
ALL RIGHT, WE'RE GOING TO, UH, START OUR MEETING AT 7 0 5.
WE HAD, UH, AN EXECUTIVE SESSION THAT TOOK A LITTLE BIT OF TIME.
UH, WE'RE GONNA START WITH THE PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE.
SO IF YOU WOULD PLEASE RISE AND JOIN ME IN THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE.
I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS, ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE, WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL, JUSTICE ALL.
SO I'M GONNA THROW A LITTLE BIT OF A CURVE BALL AT, UH, CHRISTIE, 'CAUSE I HAVEN'T EVEN TALKED TO HER ABOUT THIS YET.
ONE IS THE WE'RE DAVIS LIBRARY.
ITEM NUMBER SIX ON THE AGENDA, IF YOU WERE HERE FOR THAT.
UM, THEY'RE GONNA REMODEL THESE CHAMBERS, UH, WHICH IS GOOD.
THERE'S A LOT OF GOOD THAT'S GONNA COME FROM THAT, BUT IT MEANS WE GOTTA HOLD MEETINGS SOMEWHERE ELSE FOR ABOUT SEVEN MONTHS.
AND THAT'S AT THE DAVIS LIBRARY OVER ON INDEPENDENCE.
NOW WE'RE PUTTING THIS OUT EVERY WHICH WAY WE CAN.
IT'S ON THE WEBSITES, IT'S ON THE AGENDAS, IT'S ON EVERYTHING.
HEY, WE'RE MOVING TO DAVIS LIBRARY FOR OUR MEETINGS.
I THINK MOST IMPORTANT THOUGH, IS ONE OF THE CHANGES THAT'S GONNA TAKE PLACE BECAUSE OF THIS RELOCATION.
AND WE, WE TALKED ABOUT THIS THEN IT'S CRITICAL, CRITICAL, CRITICAL THAT, YOU KNOW, IF YOU'RE USED TO SHOWING UP HERE AND COMING DOWN FRONT AND FILLING OUT A SPEAKER'S CARD, YOU CAN'T DO THAT AT THE LIBRARY.
IT, UH, THE SYSTEMS, WITHOUT GETTING INTO ALL THE DETAILS, YOU'RE GONNA NEED TO GO ONLINE AND REGISTER TO SPEAK BY FOUR O'CLOCK ON THE DAY OF THE MEETING.
SO I JUST WANNA GIVE EVERYBODY THE NOTICE, AS MUCH NOTICE AS WE CAN GIVE YOU THAT THAT'S HOW THAT'S GONNA WORK.
OKAY? IT'S EASY TO DO, BUT I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE EVERYBODY KNOWS IT AND HOPEFULLY PTN EVERYONE THAT'S WATCHING CAN GET THIS INFORMATION OUT.
OKAY? WE WANT YOU TO SPEAK, WE DON'T WANT YOU TO SHOW UP AT THE LAST MINUTE AND YOU'RE TOLD YOU CAN'T FILL OUT A CARD.
SO NOW THAT THAT SAID, WE'RE GONNA GET STARTED, BUT FYI, WE'RE GONNA START WITH NUMBER FIVE ON THE AGENDA WHEN YOU GET THROUGH THE PUBLIC COMMENT, PLEASE.
THIS PORTION OF THE MEETING IS TO ALLOW UP TO THREE MINUTES PER SPEAKER WITH 30 TOTAL MINUTES ON ITEMS OF INTEREST OR CONCERN AND NOT ON ITEMS THAT ARE ON THE CURRENT AGENDA.
THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION MAY NOT DISCUSS THESE ITEMS, BUT MAY RESPOND WITH FACTUAL OR POLICY INFORMATION.
THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION MAY CHOOSE TO PLACE THE ITEM ON A FUTURE AGENDA.
THE PRESIDING OFFICER MAY MODIFY THESE TIMES AS DEEMED NECESSARY.
DO WE HAVE ANY SPEAKERS? THERE ARE NONE.
LET'S GO AHEAD AND MOVE TO CONSENT AND THEN WE'LL GO TO ITEM FIVE.
[CONSENT AGENDA]
CONSENT AGENDA.THE CONSENT AGENDA WILL BE ACTED UPON IN ONE MOTION AND CONTAINS ITEMS WHICH ARE ROUTINE AND TYPICALLY NON-CONTROVERSIAL ITEMS MAY BE REMOVED FROM THIS AGENDA FOR INDIVIDUAL CONSIDERATION BY COMMISSIONERS OR STAFF.
WOULD ANYONE LIKE PULL AN ITEM FROM CONSENT AGENDA? I MOVE.
I MOVE THAT WE APPROVE THE CONSENT AGENDA AS SUBMITTED.
SO I HAVE A MOTION BY COMMISSIONER BRONSKI WITH A SECOND BY COMMISSIONER ALI TO APPROVE THE CONSENT AGENDA, PLEASE VOTE.
WE'RE WAITING ON THE, AND THAT ITEM CARRIES EIGHT TO ZERO.
OKAY, LET'S GO TO ITEM FIVE FIRST.
[5. (DS) Discussion and Action: Call for Public Hearing – Request to call a public hearing to amend Planned Development-64-Central Business-1 to modify the location and development standards for mid-rise residential on 137.3 acres located at the northwest corner of Dallas North Tollway and He]
ITEM FIVE? LET'S GET IT OUTTA THE WAY ANYWAY, GO AHEAD.YEAH, MR. LAW WILL BE RECUSING HIMSELF FOR THIS ITEM.
REQUEST TO CALL A PUBLIC HEARING TO AMEND PLAN DEVELOPMENT 64 CENTRAL BUSINESS ONE TO MODIFY THE LOCATION AND DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS FOR MIDRISE RESIDENTIAL ON 137.3 ACRES LOCATED AT THE NORTHWEST CORNER OF DALLAS NORTH TOLLWAY AND HEADQUARTERS DRIVE.
APPLICANT IS COLUMBUS REALTY PARTNERS LIMITED.
I'M RAHA ARI, LEAD PLANNER WITH THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT.
STAFF RECOMMENDS THAT THE COMMISSION CALL A PUBLIC HEARING TO AMEND PLAN DEVELOPMENT 64 CENTRAL BUSINESS ONE.
I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU MIGHT HAVE.
DOES ANYONE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS ON THIS? I CAN'T SEE.
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OKAY.I THINK THAT'S WHY HE WANTED TO SPEAK ON THIS.
UM, ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR STAFF ON THIS ITEM? SEEING NONE.
THIS ISN'T A PUBLIC HEARING ITEM, BUT IS THERE ANYONE HERE THAT WANTS TO SPEAK ON ITEM FIVE? OKAY.
MR. BENNETT OR I MOVE, WE CALL A PUBLIC HEARING TO AMEND PLAN DEVELOPMENT.
SO HAVE A MOTION BY COMMISSIONER BROSKY WITH A SECOND BY COMMISSIONER RATLIFF TO CALL A PUBLIC HEARING PER STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION ON ITEM FIVE, PLEASE VOTE.
AND THAT ITEM CARRIES BY VOTE OF SEVEN TO ZERO.
OKAY, NOW WE CAN MOVE BACK TO ITEM ONE, A AND B.
PUBLIC HEARING ITEMS, UNLESS INSTRUCTED OTHERWISE BY THE CHAIR, SPEAKERS WILL BE CALLED IN THE ORDER REGISTRATIONS ARE RECEIVED.
APPLICANTS ARE LIMITED TO A LIMITED TO A TOTAL OF 15 MINUTES PER OF PRESENTATION TIME WITH A FIVE MINUTE REBUTTAL IF NEEDED.
REMAINING SPEAKERS ARE LIMITED.
30 TOTAL MINUTES OF TEST TESTIMONY TIME WITH THREE MINUTES ASSIGNED PER SPEAKER.
THE PRESIDING OFFICER MAY MODIFY THESE TIMES AS DEEMED NECESSARY.
ADMINISTRATIVE CONSIDERATION ITEMS MUST BE APPROVED IF THEY MEET CITY DEVELOPMENT REGULATIONS.
LEGISLATIVE CONSIDERATION ITEMS ARE MORE DISCRETIONARY EXCEPT AS CONSTRAINED BY LEGAL CONSIDERATIONS.
IF IT PLEASES THE CHAIR, I'LL READ ONE A AND ONE B TOGETHER.
[1A. (DS) Public Hearing: Zoning Case 2023-007 – Request to rezone 13.5 acres located at the northeast corner of Park Boulevard and Custer Road from Planned Development-225- Single-Family Residence Attached to Planned Development-225-Retail. Project #ZC2023- 007. Petitioner: Fairview Farm Land Company, Ltd. (Legislative consideration)]
[1B. (DS) Public Hearing – Concept Plan: Townhomes at West Park, Blocks A-C and The Shoppes of Plano, Block D, Lots 1-2 – Restaurant, shopping center, 33 single-family residence attached lots, and three common area lots on 11.5 acres located at the northeast corner of Park Boulevard and Custer Road. Zoned Planned Development-225-Single-Family Residence Attached. Project #CP2023-003. Applicant: Fairview Farm Land Company, Ltd. (Legislative consideration)]
IT PLEASES THE CHAIR, I'LL READ ONE A AND ONE B TOGETHER.AGENDA ITEM NUMBER ONE, A PUBLIC HEARING ZONING CASE 2 0 2 3 DASH 0 0 7.
REQUEST TO REZONE 13.5 ACRES LOCATED AT THE NORTHEAST CORNER OF PARK BOULEVARD AND CUSTER ROAD FROM PLAN DEVELOPMENT 2 25.
SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENT ATTACHED TO PLAN DEVELOPMENT 2 25 RETAIL PETITIONER IS FAIRVIEW FARM LAND COMPANY LIMITED.
THIS IS FOR LE LEGISLATIVE CONSIDERATION.
AGENDA ITEM NUMBER ONE B, PUBLIC HEARING CONCEPT PLAN.
TOWN HOMES AT WEST PARK BLOCKS A THROUGH C AND THE SHOPS OF PLANO BLOCK D LOTS, ONE THROUGH ONE AND TWO RESTAURANT SHOPPING CENTER, 33.
SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENCE ATTACHED LOTS AND THREE COMMON AREA LOTS ON 11.5 ACRES LOCATED AT THE NORTHEAST CORNER AT PARK BOULEVARD AND CUSTER ROAD ZONED PLAN DEVELOPMENT 2, 2 5.
SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENCE ATTACHED.
APPLICANT IS FAIRVIEW FARM LAND COMPANY LIMITED.
THIS IS FOR LEGISLATIVE CONSIDERATION.
THANK YOU MS. ALVERA, THE APPLICANT FOR THIS ZONING CASE, UH, WAS UNEXPECTEDLY UNABLE TO ATTEND TONIGHT'S MEETING AND THEY ARE REQUESTING TO TABLE THIS, UH, ZONING CASE TO THE MAY 6TH PLANNING AND ZONING AGENDA.
UM, STAFF RECOMMENDS THAT THE COMMISSION ACCEPTS APPLICANT'S REQUEST AND TABLE THIS ITEM TO MAY 6TH, 2020 FOR PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION MEETING.
I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU MIGHT HAVE.
QUESTIONS FOR STAFF ON ITEM ONE A OR ONE B? ALL RIGHT, THANK YOU.
I AM GONNA OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING.
I THINK WE HAD ONE PERSON THAT WAS HERE TO SPEAK ON ITEM ONE A.
WOULD YOU LIKE TO SPEAK ANYWAY, SIR, EVEN THOUGH WE DON'T HAVE AN APP OR A PRESENTATION, PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS, COUNCIL MEMBERS.
HELLO, MY NAME IS ERIC STETTLER.
I LIVE AT 20 23 12 BRISBANE LANE IN PLANO, TEXAS.
UH, COUNCIL MEMBERS, I'M HERE TO SPEAK AGAINST PROPOSITION 2023 DASH OH OH SEVEN IN OPPOSITION FOR, UH, THE ZONING CHANGE.
THERE ARE TWO PIECES OF INFORMATION I WOULD LIKE TO HIGHLIGHT TO THE COMMISSION.
ONE, THERE HAS BEEN A PUBLIC COMMENT PERIOD WHERE OVER 522 OF MY RESIDENTS HAVE, UH, COMMENTED AND ONLY 10 OUT OF THE 522 HAVE, UH, SPOKEN IN FAVOR OF THE CHANGE.
SO 98%, UH, ARE AGAINST OR NEUTRAL ON THE CHANGE.
I'VE ALSO DONE PERSONALLY A SURVEY OF THE NEARBY COMMERCIAL REAL ESTATE PROPERTIES.
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INTERSECTION OF PARKER AND CUSTER AND THERE IS ANOTHER, UH, WELL-DEVELOPED AREA OF COMMERCIAL REAL ESTATE AT THE INTERSECTION OF 15TH STREET AND CUSTER.SO NORTH AND SOUTH OF THIS PROPERTY CHANGE.
UH, I COUNTED ALL THE EMPTY COMMERCIAL REAL ESTATE LOCATIONS AT THESE AND THERE ARE 35 EMPTY SPACES.
SO WHAT THIS, UH, PROPOSED CHANGE IS GOING TO DO IS POTENTIALLY INTRODUCE ADDITIONAL COMMERCIAL REAL ESTATE IN AN AREA THAT DOES NOT NEED IT AND IN A COMMUNITY THAT DOES NOT WANT IT.
SO I WOULD CERTAINLY HOPE THAT, UH, THE COMMISSION WOULD DECIDE TO DISMISS THIS PROPOSED ZONING CHANGE.
UH, THANK YOU FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION.
DO WE HAVE ANY OTHER SPEAKERS ON THIS ITEM? NO OTHER SPEAKERS, BUT WE DO HAVE ONE REGISTERED OPINION IN OPPOSITION.
OKAY, I'LL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND FIND DISCUSSION TO THE COMMISSION.
BROSKY, UH, BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE THE, UH, APPLICANT HERE, I WOULD, UH, MAKE, I WOULD MOVE THAT WE TAKE THE RECOMMENDATION OF STAFF AND TABLE THIS, UH, ONE A TO.
CAN I DO BOTH AT ONCE OR SURE.
BOTH TO THE MAY 6TH, 2024 P AND Z MEETING.
SECOND, I HAVE A MOTION BY COMMISSIONER BROSKY WITH A SECOND BY COMMISSIONER ALI TO TABLE TABLE ITEMS ONE A AND ONE B TO THE MAY 6TH.
UH, MEETING, PLEASE VOTE THAT ITEM CARRIES BY A VOTE OF SEVEN TO ONE ITEM TWO
[2. (KC) Public Hearing: Zoning Case ZC2024-007 – Request to amend Planned Development489-Multifamily Residence-1 on 36.5 acres on the north side of Legacy Drive, 770 feet west of Chase Oaks Boulevard. Zoned Planned Development-489-Multifamily Residence-1. Project #ZC2024-007. Petitioner: 701 Legacy Drive, LLC, 701 Legacy Drive II, LLC, and 701 Legacy Drive IV, LLC (Request to table to April 1, 2024)]
AGENDA ITEM NUMBER TWO, PUBLIC HEARING ZONING CASE 2 0 2 4 DASH 0 0 7.REQUEST TO AMEND PLANNED DEVELOPMENT 4 89 MULTI-FAMILY RESIDENCE.
DASH ONE ON 3 36 0.5 ACRES ON THE NORTH SIDE OF LEGACY DRIVE 770 FEET WEST OF CHASE OAKS BOULEVARD.
ZONED PLANNED DEVELOPMENT FOR 89 MULTI-FAMILY RESIDENCE ONE, PETITIONER IS 7 0 1 LEGACY DRIVE LLC 7 0 1 LEGACY DRIVE TWO LLC AND 7 0 1 LEGACY DRIVE FOR LLC RA.
THIS ZONING CASE WAS NOTICED TO BE PLACED ON TONIGHT'S UH, PLANNING AND ZONING AGENDA.
HOWEVER, UM, THE REZONING NOTICE SIGNS WERE NOT INSTALLED, UH, ON THE SUBJECT PROPERTY, UH, TO COMPLY WITH THE DEADLINE ESTABLISHED ON THE ZONING ORDINANCE.
AS A RESULT, STAFF RECOMMENDS THAT THE COMMISSION ACCEPTS THE APPLICANT'S REQUEST TO TABLE THIS ITEM TO APRIL 1ST, 2024.
PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION MEETING.
I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTIONS IF YOU MIGHT.
OH, MR. BRUNO, NOW I'M SEEING THAT, OH, I WAS UNDER THE IMPRESSION THEY HAD CHANGED THEIR REQUEST TO POSTPONE APRIL UH, 15TH INSTEAD OF APRIL 1ST.
IS THAT CORRECT? I THINK I GOT SOMETHING FROM NO, THAT WAS THE APPLICANT FOR THE PREVIOUS ITEM.
SO THIS ONE IS FOR APRIL 1ST? YES, THAT'S RIGHT.
ALRIGHT, MR. BRONSKI, UH, I JUST WANNA MAKE A COMMENT IN GENERAL, I REALLY APPRECIATE, UH, THE WAY THAT YOU GUYS HAVE NOW STARTED TALKING ABOUT THE RATIONALE FOR THE TABLING.
I THINK THAT THAT'S VERY INFORMATIVE TO US AS WELL AS UH, THOSE THAT ARE WATCHING.
SO THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR THAT CHANGE.
I'M APPRECIATIVE THAT WE'RE PAYING ATTENTION TO THE POSTING REQUIREMENTS AND MAKING SURE THAT THEY'RE COMPLIED WITH, 'CAUSE THAT'S IMPORTANT FOR THE PUBLIC AS WELL.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? OKAY, THANK YOU.
DO WE HAVE ANY SPEAKERS ON THIS ITEM? THERE ARE NO SPEAKERS FOR THIS ITEM, BUT WE DO HAVE ONE REGISTERED OPINION IN OPPOSITION.
I'LL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING CONFINE DISCUSSION OF THE COMMISSION.
I MOVE WE TABLE AGENDA ITEM NUMBER TWO, ZONING CASE 20 24 0 0 7 TO THE APRIL 1ST, 2024 P AND Z MEETING.
SECOND, I HAVE A MOTION BY COMMISSIONER BRONSKI WITH A SECOND BY COMMISSIONER TONG TO TABLE ITEM VOTE.
COULD WE DELAY THIS TWO MORE WEEKS? I WOULD LIKE TO, YES.
SO LET'S, LET ME FINISH MY STATEMENT THERE, WHICH IS WE HAVE THE MOTION AND THE SECOND TO TABLE THIS ITEM TO APRIL 1ST.
PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION MEETING BEFORE WE VOTE.
MR. KERRY, I, I WOULD, I WOULD LIKE TO MOVE THIS TO THE 15TH.
UM, I'M PASSIONATE ABOUT THIS ONE.
I'D LIKE TO BE HERE WHEN IT'S DONE AND IT'S A GOOD CHANCE I WON'T BE HERE FOR THIS ONE.
AND SO FOR THAT REASON, I WOULD LIKE TO MOVE IT BACK IF WE COULD.
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CAN I ASK MS. ATE IF THAT'S, I BELIEVE THE APPLICANT IS HERE.I DON'T KNOW IF YOU WANT TO ASK THEIR OPINION SINCE THIS IS THEIR REQUESTED DATE.
LET'S FIRST, UH, ASK, IS THAT A, IS THERE AN ISSUE WITH STAFF WITH THIS DATE? WE DON'T WILL SIGN REQUIREMENT BE MET AT THAT POINT? YES, IT WILL.
UH, IF THE APPLICANT'S HERE, IF I, IF THEY COULD COME DOWN, WE CAN ASK QUICKLY IF THAT'S AN ISSUE FOR THEM.
THE 15TH WOULD BE ACCEPTABLE IF IT WORKS TO THE CONVENIENCE OF THE COMMISSION.
SO I WILL ACCEPT THE AMENDMENT AND ACCEPT THE DATE.
PLEASE, PLEASE MAKE YOUR AMENDED MOTION.
SO I MOVE THAT WE, UH, TABLE AGENDA ITEM NUMBER TWO, ZONING CASE 20 24 0 0 7 TILL THE APRIL 15TH PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION MEETING OF 2024.
OKAY, SO MR. BROSKY HAS MODIFIED HIS MOTION.
I SECOND AND WE STILL HAVE A SECOND BY COMMISSIONER TONG.
AND THAT ITEM CARRIES EIGHT TO ZERO NON-PUBLIC HEARING ITEMS. THE PRESIDING OFFICER WILL PERMIT LIMITED PUBLIC COMMENT FOR ITEMS ON THE AGENDA NOT POSTED FOR A PUBLIC HEARING.
THE PRESIDING OFFICER WILL ESTABLISH TIME LIMITS BASED UPON THE NUMBER OF SPEAKER REQUESTS, LENGTH OF THE AGENDA, AND TO ENSURE MEETING EFFICIENCY MAY INCLUDE A TOTAL TIME LIMIT
[3. (CS) Discussion and Direction: Short-term Rental Zoning Regulations – Work session regarding short-term rental zoning regulations. Project #DI2024-005. Applicant: City of Plano]
AGENDA.ITEM NUMBER THREE, DISCUSSION AND DIRECTION RENTAL ZONING REGULATIONS WORK SESSION REGARDING SHORT TERM RENTAL ZONING REGULATIONS, APPLICANT CITY OF PLANO, WE HAVE 27 REGISTERED OPINIONS ON THIS SIX IN SUPPORT, 16 IN OPPOSITION, AND FIVE THAT ARE REGISTERED NEUTRAL.
AND WE HAVE 23, UM, REGISTERED SPEAKERS.
WE'LL HERE'S STAFF'S REPORT AND THEN WHEN WE GET TIME FOR THE SPEAKERS, I WILL, UH, TALK.
I'M CHRISTINA SEBASTIAN, LAND RECORDS PLANNING MANAGER.
SO AS YOU KNOW, THE SHORT-TERM RENTAL STUDY STARTED IN NOVEMBER OF 2022.
UH, THE CITY COUNCIL ADOPTED AN INTERIM BAN OF NEW SHORT-TERM RENTALS LAST MAY.
AND THEN WE STARTED THE OUTREACH AND DATA COLLECTION PORTION OF THE PROJECT THAT INCLUDED APPOINTMENT OF A SHORT-TERM RENTAL TASK FORCE, A COMMUNITY SURVEY, AND TWO OPEN HOUSES.
WE ARE NOW AT THE END OF THE OUTREACH AND DATA COLLECTION PHASE AND STARTING OUR PERMANENT MEASURES FOR CONSIDERATION RIGHT THERE.
SO AS WE TRANSITION TO PERMANENT MEASURES, UM, WE HAVE A PROJECT WEBSITE AT PLANO.GOV/STR.
THERE ARE TWO OPPORTUNITIES FOR PUBLIC FEEDBACK ON THE PERMANENT MEASURES.
THE CASE THAT WE ARE DISCUSSING TONIGHT IS THE ZONING CASE, UH, 2024 DASH ZERO EIGHT.
IT IS THE ZONING ORDINANCE AMENDMENTS.
AND SO WE HAVE A ZONING CASE RESPONSE MAP WHERE USERS CAN SELECT THE ORDINANCE AMENDMENTS TAB TO ENTER RESPONSES THAT WILL BE PROVIDED TO YOU THE COMMISSION AND LATER CITY COUNCIL.
THERE'S ALSO A, A FEEDBACK OPPORTUNITY FOR THE SHORT-TERM RENTAL REGISTRATION PROGRAM THAT CITY COUNCIL WILL BE CONSIDERING, AS WELL AS A DEDICATED EMAIL ADDRESS AVAILABLE FOR QUESTIONS IF THE PUBLIC HAS THEM FOR STAFF.
WE ARE ALSO WORKING ON MAILED NOTIFICATIONS THIS WEEK OF UPCOMING PUBLIC HEARINGS, WHICH ARE SCHEDULED FOR APRIL 1ST WITH IN FRONT OF YOU AT THE COMMISSION AND APRIL 22ND, BOTH AT DAVIS LIBRARY.
SO AS YOU RECALL AT OUR LAST MEETING ON MARCH 4TH, YOU RECEIVED A PRESENTATION OF THE SHORT TERM RENTAL STUDY PHASE TWO REPORT, WHICH INCLUDED RECOMMENDATIONS OF THE SHORT-TERM RENTAL TASK FORCE.
YOU CALLED A PUBLIC HEARING TO INITIATE THE ZONING CASE.
AND THEN YOU RECEIVED A, A PRESENTATION OF OUR INITIAL DRAFT PROPOSAL.
IT WAS BASED ON THE TASK FORCE RECOMMENDATIONS, BUT IT WAS DEVELOPED BY STAFF AND IT WAS NOT CONSIDERED BY THE TASK FORCE AS IT WAS THERE.
THERE'S WAS TO PROVIDE BROAD RECOMMENDATIONS NOT TO DEVELOP ORDINANCE LANGUAGE.
THE TASK FORCE RECOMMENDATIONS THAT RELATE TO LAND USE AND ZONING ARE LISTED HERE.
THEY FOR, THEY'RE AVAILABLE FOR REFERENCE HERE, BUT THEY ARE ALSO ON THE LAST PAGE OF ATTACHMENT A IN YOUR STAFF REPORT.
SO A SUMMARY OF THE KEY POINTS OF THE PROPOSAL.
ALL SHORT-TERM RENTALS NEED TO BE REGISTERED.
ALL SHORT-TERM RENTALS THAT WERE OPERATING BEFORE THE INTERIM BAN ARE ALLOWED TO CONTINUE OPERATING AS GRANDFATHERED
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USES.THERE ARE THREE TYPES OF SHORT-TERM RENTALS PROPOSED BASED ON THE SCALE AND IMPACT OF THE RENTALS.
AND THERE'S A POSSIBILITY FOR A LIMITED OR SEASONAL RENTAL OF SHORT-TERM RENTALS, UM, IN RESIDENTIAL AREAS FOR ONE LIMITED PERIOD EACH YEAR, WHICH WE'LL TALK ABOUT FURTHER TONIGHT.
SO THE FIRST TYPE IS THE BED AND BREAKFAST ONE ROOM HERE.
THE HOST LIVES ON SITE AND THERE IS ONE INDIVIDUAL ROOM AVAILABLE AS A SHORT-TERM RENTAL.
WE FOUND THAT LIVE-IN MANAGEMENT COULD HELP RETAIN AND BUILD COMMUNITY FABRIC IN THIS, IN THIS TYPE OF RENTAL.
UM, THERE ARE ABOUT 11% OF OUR EXISTING SHORT-TERM RENTALS FALL IN THIS CATEGORY.
THEN WE HAVE BED AND BREAKFAST, TWO TO FIVE ROOMS HERE.
AGAIN, THE HOST LIVES ON SITE AND TWO TO FIVE INDIVIDUAL ROOMS ARE AVAILABLE AS STR WITH AGAIN, THAT LIVE IN MANAGEMENT.
UM, THIS IS A VERY SMALL PERCENTAGE OF THE EXISTING SHORT TERM RENTALS.
VERY SMALL MEANING, UH, LESS THAN 2%.
THEN WE HAVE VACATION RENTALS HERE.
THE FULL HOME IS GENERALLY AVAILABLE AS A SHORT, SHORT-TERM RENTAL.
IT'S THE MOST COMMON TYPE OF EXISTING SHORT-TERM RENTAL IN PLANO.
WE HAVE OVER 87% OF OUR EXISTING SHORT-TERM RENTALS FALL IN THIS CATEGORY.
SO THIS IS A SUMMARY OF THE THREE TYPES.
YOU CAN SEE FOR ALL THREE REGISTRATION WOULD BE REQUIRED.
THEY'RE ALL IN HOMES, THEY'RE ALL RESIDENCES.
AND THE LENGTH OF STAY IS ALL TWO TO 29 DAYS.
ONCE YOU GET ABOVE 30, IT'S A LONG-TERM RENTAL OR 30 OR ABOVE.
UM, BUT THEN THE MAIN DIFFERENCES ARE WHETHER THERE'S LIVE-IN OR OFFSITE MANAGEMENT.
AND THEN WHAT, WHAT THE NUMBER OF ROOMS AVAILABLE OR WHETHER THE FULL UNIT IS AVAILABLE.
SO THEN THE PROPOSAL TALKS ABOUT LOCATIONS.
SO THIS IS FOR YEAR ROUND RENTALS, SO THE BED AND BREAKFAST, ONE ROOM BEING AT THAT SCALE OF JUST BEING THE ONE ROOM AND HAVING THAT ONSITE MANAGEMENT.
THE, TO ALIGN WITH THE PROPOSAL, THERE'S UM, THESE WOULD BE ALLOWED IN ANY RESIDENCE CITYWIDE AND THERE WOULD BE NO NEED FOR A SPECIFIC USE PERMIT FOR THESE, BUT THEY WOULD BE REQUIRED TO REGISTER FOR THE TWO TO FIVE ROOM BED AND BREAKFAST.
THESE WOULD BE A PERMITTED IN ANY RESIDENCE WHERE BED AND BREAKFAST INN OR HOTELS ARE CURRENTLY PERMITTED OR IN A HERITAGE PROPERTY BY RIGHT.
IT WOULD ALSO BE ALLOWED BY SPECIFIC USE PERMIT IN OTHER RESIDENTIAL DISTRICTS.
ALL ALL BUT ONE, UM, WOULD REQUIRE A SPECIFIC USE PERMIT.
VACATION RENTALS ARE, AGAIN, THIS IS THE FULL UNIT BEING AVAILABLE FOR RENTAL.
THIS WOULD BE ALLOWED YEAR ROUND BY RIGHT IN ANY RESIDENCE WHERE HOTELS ARE CURRENTLY PERMITTED AND THERE WOULD BE NO SPECIFIC USE PERMIT OPTION.
SO THEN THIS IS ALL FOR YEAR ROUND.
NEXT AND SOMETHING WE'LL NEED TO SPEND SOME TIME TALKING ABOUT TONIGHT IS THE IDEA OF LIMITED OR SEASONAL RENTALS.
SO THE TASK FORCE TALKED ABOUT THAT THERE MAY BE SOME INSTANCES WHERE IT COULD BE APPROPRIATE FOR A RESIDENT TO RESIDENT TO OFFER THEIR HOME TEMPORARILY AS A SHORT TERM RENTAL.
SO PERHAPS FOR OVER THE SUMMER WHILE THEY'RE TRAVELING OR SOMEONE'S IN A HOSPITAL AND THEY NEED TO CREATE SOME EXTRA INCOME WHILE SOMEONE'S STAYING IN THE HOSPITAL OR LIVING WITH A SICK FAMILY MEMBER.
THOSE ARE THE TYPES OF EXAMPLES THAT WERE DISCUSSED.
UM, SO IF THESE ARE CONSIDERED APPROPRIATE IN PLANO, THEN WE, WE ARE ASKING THE COMMISSION TO THINK ABOUT WHAT TIME PERIOD IS REASONABLE TO OPERATE.
SO IS IT JUST A 30 DAY PERIOD WHERE THEY COULD HAVE AS A, AS MANY RENTALS AS THEY CAN FIT IN THAT 30 DAY PERIOD, A 60 DAY PERIOD, A 90 DAY PERIOD.
UM, I, AND THEN ALSO ON TOP OF THAT, WE'D LIKE TO CONSIDER WHETHER A LONGER MINIMUM STAY WOULD BE APPROPRIATE IN THESE CON SITUATIONS.
SO RIGHT NOW THE PROPOSAL IS TWO NIGHTS ACROSS THE BOARD AS A MINIMUM STAY, BUT IF WE ALLOW LIMITED OR SEASONAL RENTALS, SHOULD A LONGER LI LIMITED STAY BE BE REQUIRED.
THIS IS THE SAME CHART ADDING THAT ROW REGARDING LIMITED SEASONAL RENTALS.
SO THE BED AND BREAKFAST ONE ROOM, IT'S, IT'S NOT APPLICABLE BECAUSE THEY'RE ALREADY PERMITTED YEAR ROUND, BUT BED AND BREAKFAST, TWO TO FIVE ROOMS AND VACATION RENTALS COULD BE PERMITTED IN ANY RESIDENCE CITYWIDE FOR THIS LIMITED TIME PERIOD IF THAT IS THE DESIRE OF THE CITY.
SO THEN WE'RE GOING TO LOOK AT THESE LOCATIONS A LITTLE BIT OR THESE TYPES OF USES A LITTLE CLOSER TO SEE WHERE THEY WOULD BE PERMITTED.
UM, SO WE'RE GONNA START WITH THE BED AND BREAKFAST ONE ROOM.
AGAIN, IT'S ONSITE MANAGEMENT LIVE-IN MANAGEMENT.
THESE WOULD BE ALLOWED IN ANY RESIDENCE CITYWIDE.
SO WE'RE GOING TO LOOK AT AN A LOT OF MAPS TONIGHT AND AS WE REVIEW THE MAPS, I JUST WANNA NOTE TWO IMPORTANT THINGS ABOUT THEM.
UH, THE FIRST IS THAT PLAN DEVELOPMENTS MAY HAVE UNDERLYING PERMISSIONS OR RESTRICTIONS THAT ARE GOING TO CHANGE.
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WHAT, WHAT WOULD OTHERWISE BE SHOWING ON THAT MAP? SO, UM, IF SOMETHING IS ZONED IN A PLAN DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT, WE'D HAVE TO LOOK AT EACH OF THOSE INDIVIDUALLY TO CONFIRM.AND THEN THE OTHER IS THAT THESE MAPS ARE TRYING TO SHOW WHERE RESIDENTS RESIDENCES ARE CURRENTLY ALLOWED A NEW AS A NEW DEVELOPMENT IN PLANO.
SO EITHER ALLOWED BY RIGHT OR ALLOWED BY SPECIFIC USE PERMIT OR NOT ALLOWED AT ALL.
AND THAT'S THE RESIDENCES, THE THE SINGLE FAMILY MULTIFAMILY WHERE WE DIDN'T DISTINGUISH BETWEEN THEM BUT JUST HAVING HOUSING IN THESE AREAS AT ALL, IS THAT ALLOWED TO BEGIN WITH? THAT'S PART OF WHAT WE'RE SHOWING ON THESE MAPS.
SO IN THIS EXAMPLE HERE, THE DARK GREEN SHOWS AREAS WHERE THE ZONING ONLY ALLOWS HOUSING BY SPECIFIC USE PERMIT.
THE LIGHT GREEN IS AREAS WHERE HOUSING OF SOME SORT IS ALLOWED BY RIGHT? AND THEN THE WHITE AREA, NO HOUSING IS PERMITTED PER THE BASE ZONING.
ON TOP OF THAT, WE'RE ALSO SHOWING ON THESE MAPS FOR EACH TYPE OF SHORT-TERM RENTAL BED AND BREAKFAST.
ONE ROOM IN THIS CASE IS PERMITTED IN THIS CASE IN ALL OF THE GREEN AREAS, BOTH DARK AND LIGHT BY RIGHT NOW IT'S A LITTLE CONFUSING 'CAUSE THERE'S A LOT OF INFORMATION GOING ON ON THIS MAP.
SO AGAIN, THE TAKEAWAY ON THIS MAP IS THAT HOUSING IN AREAS THAT ARE IN ANY OF THE SHADED GREEN AREAS WOULD BE PERMITTED TO HAVE A ONE ROOM BED AND BREAKFAST BY, RIGHT? SO NEXT IS THE BED AND BREAKFAST.
TWO TO FIVE ROOMS. THIS IS PROPOSED TO BE ALLOWED AGAIN IN ANY RESIDENCE OR BED AND BREAKFAST IN OR HOTELS ARE CURRENTLY PERMITTED OR A HERITAGE PROPERTY OR ALLOWED BY SPECIFIC, SPECIFIC USE PERMIT IN ANY OTHER RESIDENCE IN THE CITY AND THEN POTENTIALLY ALLOWED ON A LIMITED SEASONAL PERIOD IN ANY RESIDENCE IN THE CITY.
ALRIGHT, SO ON THIS MAP, THE BEIGE COLORS SHOWS WHERE THE USE COULD BE PERMITTED BY SPECIFIC USE PERMIT OR AS A SEASONAL RENTAL.
AND, AND IN THESE AREAS, NEW HOUSING IS PERMITTED BY RIGHT AND THE DARK GREEN, WHICH IS LARGELY ALONG, UM, 1 21 AND THE DALLAS NORTH TOLLWAY.
THESE ARE AREAS WHERE THE USE COULD BE PERMITTED BY, RIGHT? UM, BUT NEW HOUSING IS ONLY PERMITTED BY SPECIFIC USE PERMIT.
AND THEN THE LIGHT GREEN SHOWS AREAS WHERE THE USE COULD BE PERMITTED BY RIGHT YEAR ROUND.
AND NEW HOUSING IS ALSO PERMITTED BY RIGHT, AND THE WHITE AREAS SHOW WHERE NEW HOUSING IS NOT PERMITTED BY.
RIGHT? UM, BECAUSE THIS PROPOSAL IS TO ALLOW THIS TYPE OF SHORT TERM RENTAL WHERE HOTELS ARE ALLOWED, WE ALSO SHOWED, UM, IN THE PINK COLORS AREAS WHERE THERE'S HOUSING AND THE UNDERLYING ZONING ALLOWS HOTELS.
SO THAT OVERLAPS BOTH WITH WHITE AND SOME OF THE SHADED AREAS WHERE WHERE IT'S OVERLAPPING WITH WHITE, IT'S LIKELY THAT THOSE ARE PLANNED DEVELOPMENT AREAS.
UM, BUT AGAIN, THERE COULD BE OTHER SITUATIONS HAPPENING.
SO LASTLY, WE HAVE VACATION RENTALS.
THESE ARE AGAIN, PROPOSED TO BE ALLOWED IN ANY RESIDENCE WHERE HOTELS ARE CURRENTLY PERMITTED WITH NO SEP OPTION WITH THE POSSIBILITY OF ALLOWING AS A LIMITED OR SEASON LIMITED OR SEASONAL SHORT-TERM RENTAL IN ANY RESIDENCE.
SO THIS MAP, THE, THE DARK BEIGE SHOWS AREAS WHERE VACATION RENTALS WOULD NOT BE PERMITTED YEAR ROUND, BUT THEY COULD POTENTIALLY BE ALLOWED AS SEASONAL RENTALS.
AND IN ALL OF THOSE DARK BEIGE AREAS, NEW HOUSING IS PERMITTED BY RIGHT, THE DARK GREEN.
AGAIN, THIS IS VERY SIMILAR TO THE LAST MAP.
IT SHOWS WHERE VACATION RENTALS COULD BE PERMITTED BY RIGHT, BUT NEW HOUSING ONLY BY SPECIFIC USE PERMIT.
THE LIGHT GREEN, THE USE IS PERMITTED BY RIGHT AND NEW HOUSING PERMITTED BY RIGHT AND WHITE WHERE NO NEW HOUSING IS PERMITTED.
AND WE HAVE THE SAME PINK AREAS, UM, WHERE THERE'S HOUSING WHERE HOTELS ARE PERMITTED.
SO THAT WAS LOOKING AT EACH USE INDIVIDUALLY IF YOU'RE INTERESTED IN SEEING WHAT MIGHT BE ALLOWED IN A SPECIFIC LOCATION.
WE ALSO HAVE SOME SUMMARY MAPS THAT KIND OF SHOW ALL THREE USES COMBINED.
SO THIS MAP HERE IS ALL THE PINK TAN.
THESE ARE AREAS WHERE BED AND BREAKFAST ONE ROOM WOULD BE ALLOWED BY RIGHT YEAR ROUND.
UH, BED AND BREAKFAST, TWO TO FIVE ROOMS WOULD BE ALLOWED ONLY BY SPECIFIC USE PERMIT.
YEAR ROUND POTENTIALLY COULD BE ALLOWED BY RIGHT AS A LIMITED OR SEASONAL RENTAL.
AND THEN VACATION RENTALS WOULD NOT BE PERMITTED YEAR ROUND, BUT COULD BE PERMITTED AS A LIMITED OR SEASONAL RENTAL.
AND AGAIN, THESE ARE ALL AREAS WHERE HOUSING IS PERMITTED BY RIGHT? THIS NEXT ONE JUST HAS A LITTLE BIT SHOWING IN ORANGE.
UH, SO THESE ARE AREAS WHERE BED
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AND BREAKFAST, ONE ROOM AND BED AND BREAKFAST TWO TO FIVE ROOMS WOULD BE PERMITTED BY WRIGHT.BUT VACATION RENTALS ARE AS WITH THE LAST MAP DISALLOWED YEAR ROUND, UH, BUT COULD BE ALLOWED ON A LIMITED OR SEASONAL BASIS.
AND HOUSING IS PERMITTED BY WRIGHT.
AND THEN WE HAVE, AGAIN, THE AREAS ALONG 1 21 AND DALLAS NORTH TOLLWAY WHERE NEW HOUSING DEVELOPMENT IS PERMITTED ONLY BY SPECIFIC USE PERMIT.
AND IN THESE AREAS, ALL THREE TYPES WOULD BE ALLOWED BY RIGHT YEAR ROUND.
AND THEN LASTLY, THE AREAS WHERE NEW HOUSING DEVELOPMENT IS PERMITTED BY, RIGHT? AND ALL THREE TYPES COULD BE PERMITTED BY WRIGHT YEAR ROUND.
WE ALSO HAVE A COMBINED MAP IN YOUR PACKET.
UM, I BELIEVE THAT'S ATTACHMENT D ONE.
SO AS I MENTIONED AT THE BEGINNING, ALL SHORT-TERM RENTALS EXISTING AT THE TIME OF THE INTERIM BAN ARE ALLOWED TO CONTINUE OPERATING.
AT THE TIME OF THE INTERIM BAN, WE HAD 464 SHORT-TERM RENTALS IDENTIFIED BY OUR CONTRACT WITH DECKER TECHNOLOGIES UNDER THE PROPOSAL 50.
THAT'S THE TOTAL NUMBER OF BED AND BREAKFAST.
ONE IN ONE ROOMS WOULD BE CONSIDERED CONFORMING IF THEY REGISTER AS A SHORT TERM RENTAL, UM, ZERO, THERE WOULD BE NO NEED TO HAVE NON-CONFORMING OR GRANDFATHERED BED AND BREAKFAST ONE ROOM UNDER THE PROPOSAL THERE WOULD BE ZERO BED AND BREAKFAST, TWO TO FIVE ROOMS THAT WOULD BE CONSIDERED CONFORMING.
THERE WOULD BE SEVEN BED AND BREAKFAST, TWO TO FIVE ROOMS THAT WOULD BE NON-CONFORMING.
UM, BUT THEY COULD BECOME CONFORMING IF THEY APPLY FOR A SPECIFIC USE PERMIT AND ARE GRANTED IT AND REGISTER.
UNDER THE PROPOSAL THERE ARE 79 IDENTIFIED VACATION RENTALS THAT WOULD BECOME CONFORMING, BUT THERE WOULD ARE 328 OF THE VACATION RENTALS THAT WOULD BE NON-CONFORMING IN, IN THEIR LOCATION, BUT THEY COULD BE CONSIDERED, THEY COULD BE PERMITTED SEASONALLY IF WE, UH, GO IN THAT DIRECTION.
THIS IS A MAP OF THOSE LOCATIONS.
I KNOW IT'S, IT'S VERY BUSY, HARD TO READ, BUT IT IS AVAILABLE IN YOUR PACKET IN ATTACHMENT D FIVE.
UM, BUT THE BLUE LOCATIONS ARE WHERE THE CONFORMING SHORT-TERM RENTALS ARE AND THE RED ARE NON-CONFORMING.
SO ADDITIONALLY, THE STANDARDS PROPOSED, UM, SOME PROHIBITED RENTALS.
SO RENTING OF SIX OR MORE INDIVIDUAL ROOMS IN A RESIDENCE BY SEPARATE CONTRACT WOULD, WOULD BE PROHIBITED AS WOULD BE RENTING A SHORT TERM RENTAL FOR ONLY ONE NIGHT TO AT LEAST A TWO NIGHT MINIMUM FOR ALL OF THEM.
AND THEN LAST TIME WE TALKED A LITTLE BIT ABOUT BACKYARD COTTAGES.
SO BACKYARD COTTAGES ARE SMALL RESIDENTIAL BUILDINGS THAT MAY BE BUILT IN THE BACKYARD OF A MAIN HOME IN SOME CONDITIONS.
UNDER THE PROPOSAL, A BACKYARD COTTAGE WILL BE CONSIDERED A SINGLE RESIDENCES A SINGLE RESIDENCE WITH THE MAIN HOME FOR THE PURPOSES OF DETERMINING WHAT TYPE OF SHORT-TERM RENTAL IT IS.
BUT THE COTTAGE AND THE BACK IN THE MAIN HOME COULD NOT BE RENTED AS TWO SEPARATE VACATION RENTALS.
SO WE HAVE SOME EXAMPLES ON THE SCREEN AND KIND OF DIFFERENT CONFIGURATIONS OF A BACKYARD COTTAGE.
SO THE HOST MAY LIVE IN THE MAIN HOME AND RENT OUT THE BACKYARD COTTAGE OR VICE VERSA.
AND THOSE WOULD BE CONSIDERED A BED AND BREAKFAST ONE ROOM IF THEY RENT OUT BY INDIVIDUAL ROOMS, MULTIPLE ROOMS, UM, THEY COULD HAVE DIFFERENT LIVE AGAIN, LIVE IN THE MAIN HOME OR LIVE IN THE BACKYARD COTTAGE.
THEY COULD ALSO RENT THE, THE BOTH THE VA BACKYARD COTTAGE AND THE MAIN HOME AS ONE SHORT-TERM RENTAL, BUT NOT AS TWO SEPARATE SHORT-TERM RENTALS OR VACATION RENTALS.
THERE'S ALSO SOME PROPOSED CHANGES TO THE DEFINITIONS OF ASSEMBLY HALL INDOOR COMMERCIAL AMUSEMENT AND BOARDING ROOMING HOUSE, AS WELL AS SOME MINOR AMENDMENTS TO PARKING, UM, WHICH IS PROPOSED TO BE ADDRESSED AS A, A MORE LONG-TERM COMPREHENSIVE STUDY, UM, BECAUSE WE SIMPLY DON'T HAVE THE TIME TO DO THAT BEFORE THE INTERIM BAN EXPIRES.
THERE'S ALSO INFORMATION IN THE PACKET FROM SOME PREVIOUS QUESTIONS FROM THE COMMISSION REGARDING LIVE-IN MANAGEMENT, UM, THE HOW FREQUENTLY THE LIMITED OR SEASONAL WOULD BE, WHETHER IT'S ANNUAL OR ON A ROLLING BASIS, HOW DO WE MANAGE SHORT-TERM RENTAL REQUIREMENTS AND THEN HOW OPERATORS ARE MADE AWARE OF THE STUDY.
WE CAN DISCUSS THOSE MORE IF YOU HAVE MORE QUESTIONS AND THEN NEXT STEPS.
SO TONIGHT WE'D LIKE TO GET SOME DIRECTION FROM YOU ON THE ORDINANCE LANGUAGE.
UM, AND THEN WE, AT OUR NEXT MEETING ON APRIL 1ST, WE'RE SCHEDULED FOR A PUBLIC HEARING.
AGAIN, THAT WILL BE AT DAVIS LIBRARY.
UM, AND THE APRIL 22ND COUNCIL MEETING WILL ALSO BE AT DAVIS LIBRARY.
ALL OF THIS IS TO COMPLETE THE PROCESS PRIOR TO THE EXPIRATION OF THE INTERIM BAN ON MAY 15TH,
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AND THERE'S MORE INFORMATION AT PLANO.GOV/SHORTTERM RENTALS.UM, WE'LL CONTINUE TO POST, UM, MEETING INFORMATION ON THAT WEBSITE AND DRAFTS OF BOTH THE ZONING AND OF REGISTRATION ORDINANCES.
SO TONIGHT WE ARE SEEKING DIRECTION ON THESE FOUR QUESTIONS HERE.
UM, LARGELY DID WE MEET THE INTENT OF THE SHORT-TERM RENTAL TASK FORCE? UH, WHAT TIME PERIODS FOR BOTH, UM, THE LENGTH AND THE MINIMUM STAY OF A LIMITED SEASONAL RENTAL? AND THEN DID WE, DID WE MISS ANY OF THE GOALS OF THE STUDY? UM, BUT I KNOW THERE ARE SOME SPEAKERS, BUT I'M HAPPY TO TAKE QUESTIONS AT THIS TIME IF YOU WOULD LIKE.
SO I THINK LET'S, LET'S, IF YOU GUYS ARE OKAY WITH IT, APPROACH IT THIS WAY, LET'S LISTEN TO THE SPEAKERS BECAUSE THEY MAY BRING UP POINTS THAT WE THEN WANT TO ASK STAFF ABOUT.
AND SO I JUST THINK IT'LL, IT'LL WORK BETTER FOR US IN TERMS OF THE FLOW FOR STAFF AND EVERYBODY ELSE.
UH, ALSO IN CASE THERE'S A LEGAL QUESTION, I WOULD RATHER EVERYONE HAVE HAD A CHANCE TO SPEAK VERSUS US HAVE TO GO INTO EXEC AND THEY HAVE TO WAIT AROUND ON THIS.
SO I THINK WE'RE GONNA APPROACH IT THAT DIRECTION.
UM, THIS IS NOT A PUBLIC HEARING, SO TECHNICALLY THERE'S NOT A BANG THE GAVEL, YOU KNOW, WHO'S OUR NEXT SPEAKER KIND OF THING.
THE REASON FOR THAT IS BECAUSE WE'RE JUST GETTING GUIDANCE.
WE'RE GIVING GUIDANCE TO STAFF TONIGHT.
SO THERE WILL BE A PUBLIC HEARING OR THERE WILL BE A GAVEL AND NOW'S YOUR CHANCE TO SPEAK AND THEN WE MAKE A DECISION THAT'S GONNA GO TO COUNCIL.
UM, SO WE HAVE 23 SPEAKERS THAT ARE SIGNED UP TO SPEAK HISTORICALLY, AND MANY OF YOU GUYS HAVE BEEN HERE BEFORE WHEN I'VE TALKED ABOUT THIS AND I SAID WE WANT TO HEAR YOU SPEAK, YOU'RE GONNA HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY AND YOU'VE HAD ONE BEFORE, I KNOW YOU'RE GONNA HAVE MORE.
UM, IF YOU'RE SPEAKING AND WHAT YOU'RE GONNA SAY IS THE SAME THING AS THE PERSON BEFORE YOU, OKAY? BUT IT, IT DOESN'T DO ANYTHING FOR US.
WE'RE LOOKING FOR WE UNIQUE NEW INFORMATION FROM EACH SPEAKER.
DOESN'T MEAN I'M NOT GONNA LET YOU SPEAK, BUT WITH 23 OF YOU, WE ARE GONNA KIND OF CUT THE TIME DOWN A LITTLE BIT JUST SO THAT WE CAN GET THROUGH THE PROCESS.
AGAIN, WE'RE NOT MAKING A DECISION TONIGHT, BUT WE DO WANT TO GET YOUR INFORMATION.
NOW IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING WE HAVE ONE PERSON HERE, IT'S KIND OF AN ENGLISH SECOND LANGUAGE.
SO I THINK I'D LIKE THAT PERSON TO GO FIRST AND WE'LL LET, LET HER SPEAK AND THEN, AND, AND RATHER THAN TWO MINUTES, LET'S LET HER DO WHAT SHE NEEDS TO DO.
OKAY? AND THEN EVERYONE ELSE, IF YOU COULD KEEP YOUR COMMENTS TO TWO MINUTES, IF YOU GIVE ME TIME BACK, UH, AND WAIT OUTSIDE, I MIGHT SLIP YOU SOME MONEY ON THE WAY OUT OR SOMETHING.
UM, WE ALL WANT TO HAVE DISCUSSION AROUND THIS, BUT WE ALL ALSO DON'T WANNA SIT HERE TILL 10 O'CLOCK TONIGHT, SO, ALRIGHT, VERY GOOD.
SO LET'S START WITH OUR, AND THEN RUN THROUGH THE REST AND KEEP YOUR COMMENTS TO A COUPLE OF MINUTES IF YOU WOULD PLEASE.
OKAY, I'M CALLING DOWN JANELLA SANTANA, LARA AND THEN IF BILL FRANCE AND BILL BAKER COULD COME DOWN AND BE READY TO SPEAK NEXT.
IF SHE CALLS YOUR NAME, COME DOWN FRONT, THERE'S LOTS OF EMPTY CHAIRS AND THAT WAY WE'RE NOT WAITING YOU, YOU'RE REAL CLOSE TO THE MIC.
I'M NOT GONNA BE UP HERE WITH A TIMER LOOKING AT YOUR, YOU KNOW,
THANK YOU FOR THE OPPORTUNITY.
THANK YOU FOR BEING THE FIRST ONE, BUT I GO TO DO MY BEST, OKAY? YES, PLEASE DO.
UM, IT'S IMPORTANT TO NOTE THAT, UH, RESPONSIBLE OWNERS OF THE MAJORITY OF THE 360 SHORT-TERM RENTERS IN PLANO, WE ALSO WANT TO REMOVE THE FEW, MAYBE I SAY MAYBE 10 SHORT-TERM RENTERS THAT DON'T MEET OUR STANDARDS.
IF THE REGISTRATION SYSTEM WAS ESTABLISHING BEFORE NOW ALL OF THE CONCERN WAS WE SOLVED AT THAT POINT BECAUSE THIS WILL BE HAVE ALLOWED NON COMPLAINTS, NO COMPLIANCE, SHORT RENTER TO GO OUT OF THEIR OWN TRACK.
I GO TO PARAPHRASE IN THAT POINT.
IF, IF THEY HAVING A SYSTEM REGULATOR, UH, AND THEY ARE NOT REALLY DOING GOOD, UM, EH, CARE OF THE SHORT-TERM RENTAL, THEY DISAPPEAR AND LEFT OFF THE PEOPLE THAT REALLY TAKE CARE OF, EH, OUR SHORT-TERM RENTAL CONTINUE TO, UH, PUT, UH, VALUE, UH, TO THE CITY AND TO OUR NEIGHBORS AND CONTINUE TO BE EXCELLENT.
SHORT-TERM RENTERS IN PLANO, LIKE, UH, PLANO IS THE CITY OF EXCELLENCE.
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WE ARE FACING DRASTIC AND UNFAIR REFORMS THAN SEEMS TO IMPACT GOOD SHORT-TERM RENTAL HOST MORE THAN THE THE HOST, MORE THE, UH, TO THE GOOD ONES THAN THE BAD ONES.UNLIKE NEIGHBORING CITIES LIKE A RICHARDSON ISLAND FRISCO THAT ESTABLISH RULE ON FRONT AND MAINTAIN CONSTANT OVERSIGHT TO ENSURE ALL RESIDENTS BENEFIT IN APPEARS OUR APPROACH WAS INVOLVED IN REVERSE.
SO I WILL START, THAT'S BAD, BUT IT IS WHAT IT IS.
WE CANNOT REVERSE THE TIME, BUT I WANT TO HIGHLIGHT TWO KEY POINTS REGARDING THE PROPOSAL FROM THE, FOR ME ON BALANCED TAX FORCE COMMISSION.
I SAY THAT BECAUSE FOR EIGHT TEAM MEMBERS REPRESENT, UH, THAT COMMISSION ONLY THREE.
NO, I DON'T THINK THAT MORE THAN THAT REPRESENT US.
MY FOCUS, UH, MUST BE ON THE CLASSIFICATION OF THE TYPE OF SHORT-TERM RENTER AND THE LIMITED OF THE SEASONS AND SEASON.
UH, IT IS A FUNDAMENTAL, UH, ASPECT THAT DEMAND A CLOSER LOOK.
UM, I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW THE, WHAT IS THE PRO PROPOSED OF CHANGING THE NAME OF SHORT-TERM RENTAL FOR ONE ROOM FOR A A B AND BREAKFAST? ONE ROOM.
I REPEAT IT'S A SINGLE ROOM SHORT-TERM RENTER WHERE REALLY THEY DON'T PROVIDE BREAKFAST.
WHY THEY CHANGE THE NAME OF, OF IN THAT, UM, UH, TASK OR PRESENTATION? NO, FOR ME IT IS, IS THERE ARE SOMETHING INCONSISTENT BETWEEN THE NAME AND THE ACTUAL PRODUCT THAT OFFER.
OKAY, GO TO THINK ABOUT THAT BEFORE DISCUSS MY OTHER TYPE OF SHORT-TERM RENTAL PLEASE.
I WANT TO CONSIDERATE THIS INFORMATION.
IN 2021 TO 2022, THAT YEAR IN PLANO HAD 3.5 MILLION OVERNIGHT VISITORS COMPARED TO ARLINGTON THAT WAS 40 MILLION VISITORS EACH YEAR.
WE SHOULD NOT CONSIDER PLANO AS A VACATION CITY.
IT'S A CITY THAT CAN BE VISIT BUT LACK THE TOURIST ATTRACTION TO BE LABELED A VACATION DESTINATION.
FOR EXAMPLE, WE DON'T HAVE BEACH MOUNTAINS, A SKI FACILITY OR EVEN, WE DON'T HAVE EVEN ENTER A BIG ENTERTAINMENT PARK LIKE ARLINGTON.
WE ARE TRULY A CITY OF EXCELLENCE IN THE SUPPORT OF DALLAS.
THAT IS THAT WE ARE HAVING CLASSIFIED THIS NOW I GO AGAIN FOR THE CLASSIFICATION OF THE SHORT TERM RENTAL.
THEY CHANGE THE SHORT TERM RENTAL ENTIRE HOME FOR A VACATION RENTAL AND AGAIN, GO TO THE SAME POINT.
EH, NOT HAVE ANY RELATION BETWEEN THE REAL NAME AND THE FUNCTION OF THAT, THINKING ABOUT THAT WE ARE IN PLAN.
UM, OKAY, UM, VACATION RENTAL DOESN'T MAKE SENSE, ALSO DOESN'T MAKE SENSE TO IMPOSE TIME AND SEASON LIMITATION IN PLANO WHERE THERE'S NO SPECIFIC SEASON THAT ATTRACT PEOPLE TO VISIT BECAUSE WE ARE NOT A VACATION HUB.
PEOPLE COME HERE YEAR ROUND WITH SOME MONTHS AND DAYS MORE VISIT THAN OTHERS, BUT WE CANNOT DEFINE A SPECIFIC BLOCK OR TIME THAT WE CAN SAY THIS IS THE TIME THAT WE WANT TO PICK FOR OUR SEASONAL SHORT TERM RENTAL THAT IS PART OF THE PROPOSED.
UM, WE ARE NOT ATTRACT, UH, VISITORS, UH, IN A SPECIFIC PERIOD OF TIME.
THIS IS JUST THE TIP OF THE, THE TIP OF THE ICEBERG AMONG MANY OTHER INCONSISTENCIES THAT I FOUND.
THIS TYPE OF SHORT TERM RENTALS AND THEIR TIME LIMITATION AND FUNDAMENTAL ASPECT THAT NEED CLARIFICATION IN THE ORDINANCE AND ZONING REGULATION FOR BOTH EXISTING AND FUTURE SHORT-TERM RENTAL TO PROGRESS FAIRLY FOR ALL THOSE APART INVOLVED.
THANK YOU FOR YOUR PATIENCE WITH MY ENGLISH AND HAVE A GREAT NIGHT.
ALL RIGHT, NEXT, UM, START MOVING.
OKAY, NEXT COUPLE OF MINUTES IS BILL FRANCE, FOLLOWED BY BILL BAKER AND STEVEN CAROS.
UH, DISTINGUISHED LEADERS OF OUR PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION.
MY NAME IS BILL FRANCE AND TONIGHT I'M HERE REPRESENTING THE PLANO TEXAS NEIGHBORHOOD COALITION TO PRESENT OUR PERSPECTIVE ON THE PROPOSED SHORT-TERM RENTAL ZONING ORDINANCE.
AT THIS TIME, I ASK ALL OF OUR
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SUPPORTERS TO PLEASE STAND A RIGOROUSLY ENGINEERED SURVEY BY THE, BY THE CITY HAS SHOWN THAT 74%, A SUPER MAJORITY OF OUR POPULATION WOULD BE UNCOMFORTABLE OR VERY UNCOMFORTABLE HAVING ONE STR ON THEIR BLOCK.THERE ARE LESS THAN 500 IN THE CITY RIGHT NOW.
HOW DO YOU THINK OUR RESIDENTS WILL FEEL WHEN THEY FOUND THAT? THEY FIND OUT THAT EVERY HOME ON THEIR BLOCK CAN BECOME A SHORT-TERM RENTAL INSTEAD OF KEEPING THE PEACE AND MAINTAINING THE SANCTITY OF A RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOOD, WHICH IS THE WHOLE PURPOSE.
WE'RE OPENING THE GATES FOR A COUNTLESS NUMBER OF NOT RESIDENTS, BUT TRANSIENT TO INVADE OUR NEIGHBORHOODS AND DISRUPT OUR COMMUNITIES, WHICH WE HAVE A COUNTLESS NUMBER OF EVIDENCE THAT HAS BEEN PRESENTED TO CITY COUNCIL.
LET'S NOT DOUBLE DOWN ON IRREVERSIBLE MISTAKE THAT WAS MADE IN THE PAST BY ALLOWING THESE TO CRACK THROUGH THE RULES THAT HAVE BEEN ESTABLISHED BY THE SENSIBLE PEOPLE WHO ARE SITTING UP ON THIS, ON THIS DAIS TONIGHT.
PLEASE REMOVE AT LEAST TWO PROVISIONS FROM THIS PROPOSAL.
THE ONES THAT WILL, THAT WILL ENABLE ANYONE TO HAVE BUYRIGHT A SHORT TERM RENTAL WITHOUT FIRST HAVING AN SAAA SPECIFIC USE PERMIT THAT WOULD COME BEFORE A BOARD LIKE YOURSELVES TO SAY, IS THAT REASONABLE AND ACCEPTABLE WITHOUT DESTROYING THE FABRIC OF OUR COMMUNITY, WHICH WE BELIEVE IS, IS THE SOLE PURPOSE OF BEING ABLE TO LIVE TOGETHER IN PEACE AND COMMUNITY.
IF IT'S AN ACCEPT, IF IT'S ACCEPTED BY THE NEIGHBORS, THEN BY ALL MEANS WE INVITE THIS.
BUT IF THE NEIGHBORS DON'T WANT THIS, WHAT IS A NEIGHBORHOOD? IF IT'S NOT THE NEIGHBORS? AND WE SEE THIS AS AN AS OUTSIDE OF INVESTORS AND IRRESPECTIVE OF MANY OF THE FINE, FINE PEOPLE IN THIS ROOM TONIGHT, THEY ARE ALL GRANDFATHERED.
SO, UH, WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT IS NEW SHORT-TERM RENTALS AND THE, AND THE LAW STATES THAT WE ARE ALLOWED TO SAY NO MORE NEW SHORT-TERM RENTALS.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR YOUR TIME AND CONSIDERATION, YOUR TIME AND CONSIDERATION.
AND DOES THE NEXT PERSON'S COMING UP, WHO IS AFTER THAT? NEXT IS BILL BAKER, FOLLOWED BY STEVEN CAROS AND ALINA BURKE, IF YOU WOULD COME ON DOWN, PLEASE.
GOOD MORNING OR GOOD AFTERNOON OR GOOD EVENING.
AND 40 YEARS AGO MY FAMILY MOVED TO PLANO.
KNOWING A LITTLE ABOUT NORTH TEXAS, OUR REALTOR TOLD US PLANO WAS A GREAT PLACE TO RAISE CHILDREN.
WE BOUGHT OUR FIRST HOUSE 20 YEARS AFTER THAT.
WE MOVED OUTTA STATE WITH A JOB.
WE RETURNED TO PLANO IN 19, IN 20, 21, 20 YEARS LATER.
WHY? THIS IS THE STORY I WANT TO TELL.
PLANO HAS NEIGHBORHOODS THAT OFFERED WHAT WE WANTED WHILE OTHERS DID NOT.
OUR NEIGHBORHOOD IS BEAUTIFUL, IT'S FULL OF MAGNIFICENT TREES.
OUR OWN PARK, A WINDING CREEK WITH AN ADJACENT WALKING PATH.
IT HAS AN ACTIVE WOMEN'S CLUB WITH MORE THAN A HUNDRED LADIES.
IT HAS AN ACTIVE HOA THAT SPONSORS THINGS LIKE EASTER IN THE PARK, A BARBECUE COOKOFF, A FALL, FLINGING A HOLIDAY IN THE PARK AND OTHERS.
OUR NEIGHBORHOOD IS QUIET, OUR NEIGHBORHOOD IS SAFE.
IT'S FULL OF FRIENDS WHO ENJOY CONNECTING.
SHORT-TERM RENTALS CAN DISRUPT A NEIGHBORHOOD.
THE ORDINANCES REGARDING SHORT-TERM RENTALS MUST PREVENT THAT FROM HAPPENING.
ALINA BURKE, FOLLOWED BY LAUREN D***S.
I LIVE IN 26 17 BARRINGTON DRIVE AND I'VE ENJOYED PLANO FOR 21 YEARS.
FIRST OF ALL, I'D LIKE TO THANK YOU FOR YOUR
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TIME AND PATIENCE IN WORKING WITH ALL OF THE CITIZENS IN PLANO AND THE SHORT TERM RENTAL TASK FORCE AND BRINGING THIS ISSUE TO RESOLUTION.THE LAST TIME I WAS IN FRONT OF YOU WAS MAY 8TH, 2023.
MY ASK IS OF THE SAME TODAY, FOLLOW THE ARLINGTON MODEL AND RECOMMEND TO CITY COUNCIL THAT BY YOUR DEFINITION, STR CANNOT LAWFULLY OPERATE IN SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOODS.
IN REVIEWING THE DRAFT ZONING ORDINANCE, TWO ITEMS ARE IN CONFLICT WITH THIS ASK.
ONE, DEFINING A ONE ROOM, BEDROOM, BED AND BREAKFAST RESIDENTIAL RENTAL AS AN STR AND TWO, ALLOWING SEASONAL RENTALS OF STR AND RESIDENTIAL AREAS.
THESE AMENDMENTS WOULD ALLOW EVERY HOUSE IN PLANO TO BECOME AN STR BY RIGHT, WHICH IS THE OPPOSITE OF WHAT WE'VE BEEN ASKING FOR THE PAST TWO YEARS.
I LIVE IN GLEN MEADOWS, RIGHT NEXT TO THE SHOPS AT WILLOW BEND.
I APPLAUD YOU IN GUIDING THE CITY COUNCIL TO APPROVE THE REZONING THAT PAVES THE WAY FOR THE REDEVELOPMENT OF THAT MALL, INCLUDING THE ADDITION OF HOTEL AND RENTAL PROPERTY.
LOOKING AT THAT PROJECT, YOU'VE ALREADY ENFORCED WHAT WE'RE ASKING SPECIFIC AREAS OF THE CITY DESIGNATED FOR RENTALS AND ENTERTAINMENT, SEPARATE FROM SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOODS, THE ARLINGTON MODEL.
LET'S TIGHTEN THE ZONING ORDINANCE TO DO THE SAME.
ELENA BURKE, LAUREN D***S, AND TATIANA RAMIREZ.
GOOD EVENING, MEMBERS OF THE PLANNING AND ZONING.
MY NAME IS ELENA BURKE AND I'VE LIVED IN MY PLANO NEIGHBORHOOD FOR 30 YEARS AND I DEARLY LOVE IT.
MY NEIGHBORS ARE WELCOMING AND FAMILIAR AND MOST IMPORTANTLY, WE KNOW EACH OTHER.
WE TRUST EACH OTHER, WE HELP EACH OTHER.
AS A MEMBER OF THE TEXAS NEIGHBORHOOD COALITION, I'M COMPLETELY OPPOSED TO SHORT-TERM RENTALS IN SINGLE FAMILY NEIGHBORHOODS.
WE HAVE NO ISSUE WITH LONG-TERM RENTALS, OF WHICH THERE ARE SEVERAL IN MY NEIGHBORHOOD.
AND THESE PEOPLE ACTUALLY BECOME PART OF THE FABRIC OF OUR COMMUNITY.
OVER 70% OF PLANO SURVEY RESPONDENTS, AS ALREADY STATED, DO NOT WANT AN STR ON THEIR BLOCK.
JUST 72 HOURS AGO, GOVERNOR GREG ABBOTT EXPRESSED GRAVE CONCERN OVER THE INVESTOR RUSH OF MONEY THAT HAS GONE INTO PURCHASING OVER 40% OF ALL SINGLE FAMILY HOMES IN THE US IN 2023.
THESE INCLUDE LLCS AND PRIVATE EQUITY COMPANIES, WHICH TURN THOSE HOMES INTO STR.
TEXAS LEADS THE NATION IN HOME PURCHASES BY INVESTORS CONTRIBUTING TO THE DEGRADATION OF THE COMMUNITY FABRIC OF OUR RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOOD.
ABBOTT WILL ADD THIS ISSUE TO THE NEXT STATE LEGISLATIVE SESSION.
THE ABSENCE OF A STRICT ORDINANCE THAT BANS SHORT-TERM RENTALS FROM SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOODS, COMPOUNDS THE PROBLEM BY REPLACING LONG-TERM RESIDENTS AND NEIGHBORS WITH TRANSIENT STRANGERS WHO HAVE NO STAKE IN OUR NEIGHBORHOODS.
I GUARANTEE NONE OF YOU WOULD WANT AN STR NEXT DOOR.
30 SECONDS TO YOUR HOME, NEITHER DO MOST OF US.
I'M FIGHTING FOR THE HEALTH AND THE WELFARE OF OUR NEIGHBORHOODS IN THE CITY OF PLANO, AND I HOPE TO SEE THIS BOARD DO THE SAME.
THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR YOUR TIME AND YOUR ATTENTION.
LAUREN D***S, TATIANA RAMIREZ, AND MARK P**N.
THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR YOUR TIME AND YOUR ATTENTION TONIGHT.
MY NAME IS LAUREN D***S AND I AM A PROUD RESIDENT OF OAKWOOD GLEN.
MORE SO CANS DRIVE 2013 CANS DRIVE, AND I'M A WIFE AND A MOTHER OF TWO GIRLS, REAGAN AGE SEVEN AND CHARLIE AGE FOUR.
UM, ON CANS DRIVE A LITTLE OVER A YEAR AGO FEBRUARY OF 2023, UM, WE HAD A VERY HORRIFIC EVENT HAPPEN WHERE OVER 20 GUNSHOTS RANG OUT ON OUR STREET AS A RESULT OF A PARTY THAT HAPPENED AT A SHORT-TERM RENTAL AND PREPARING FOR TONIGHT, I LOOKED AT THE STRATEGIC VISION FOR PLANO AND IT READS, PLANO IS A GLOBAL ECONOMIC LEADER, BONDED BY A SHARED SENSE OF COMMUNITY WHERE RESIDENTS EXPERIENCED UNPARALLELED QUALITY OF LIFE.
SHORT-TERM RENTALS IN OUR SINGLE FAMILY NEIGHBORHOODS DO NOT ACHIEVE THIS STRATEGIC VISION.
MOREOVER, ONE OF THE PILLARS IN THAT STRATEGIC VISION STATES THE IMPORTANCE OF SAFE, VIBRANT NEIGHBORHOODS.
SHORT-TERM RENTALS, AGAIN, ARE NOT PART OF CREATING NOR MAINTAINING SAFE, VIBRANT NEIGHBORHOODS.
THEY'RE NOT APPROPRIATE FOR SINGLE FAMILY HOME NEIGHBORHOODS.
AND I URGE YOU TO CONSIDER AN ORDINANCE THAT WOULD KEEP THE CHARACTER OF OAKWOOD GLEN AS WELL AS MANY OTHER NEIGHBORHOODS INTACT.
TATIANA RAMIREZ, MARK
I LIVE AT 6 5 2 1 TIMBERVILLE UH, TRAIL.
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RESIDENT FOR 20 YEARS.UM, OUR STREET HAS 14 HOUSES, TWO OF WHICH ARE SHORT TERM RENTALS.
I WILL TALK ABOUT THREE MAJOR PROBLEMS WITH THESE RENTALS IN OUR NEIGHBORHOOD.
OCCUPANCY IS IMPOSSIBLE TO CONTROL.
THESE TWO HOUSES COMBINED CAN TAKE UP TO 30 OVERNIGHT GUESTS IN ONE SINGLE DAY.
THEY CAN HAVE EXTRA PEOPLE AT ANY POINT DURING THEIR STAY.
IF THE EVENT IS POSTED ONLINE, THERE WILL BE AN OVERFLOW OF ADDITIONAL UNEXPECTED GUESTS.
PROPERTY USE GOES WELL BEYOND JUST BEING A HOTEL.
THESE PROPERTIES HAVE BEEN USED AS VENUES.
MANY OF THEIR ACTIVITIES HAVE NOTHING TO DO WITH HOTEL STAYS AND ARE HIGHLY QUESTIONABLE AND SKETCHY.
THESE GUESTS ARE SOMETIMES CLIENTS AND RUN SITE BUSINESSES.
THEIR ILLEGAL ACTIVITIES ARE HIDDEN IN PLAIN SIGHT.
THIRD, THE INVASION OF OUR PRIVACY AND THE CONSTANT DANGER BEFORE THE ACTUAL BOOKENDS HAPPEN.
THERE IS NEIGHBORHOOD SCOUTING AND CAN TAKE WEEKS, CARS COMING AND GOING, TAKING VIDEOS AND PICTURES OF EVERYTHING INCLUDING US.
PEOPLE IN PARK CARS ACTIVELY WATCH US FOR LONG PERIODS OF TIME.
LITERALLY HUNDREDS OF STRANGERS KNOW WHERE WE LIVE, OUR CARS, OUR DAILY ROUTINES, AND WHAT WE LOOK LIKE.
THE FEAR OF REVENGE FROM EITHER THE GUESTS OR THE OWNERS IS VERY REAL.
PLEASE DO NOT ALLOW SHORT TERM RENTALS IN SINGLE FAMILY NEIGHBORHOODS.
I LIVE AT 24 0 8 LONDON DRIVE IN PLANO.
I LIVE IN A SINGLE FAMILY NEIGHBORHOOD, UH, SF SIX, BUT THEY'RE LIKE 8,000 FOOT LOTS.
P AND Z HAS BEEN PRESENTED WITH THE WORK PRODUCT FROM THE SHORT-TERM RENTAL TASK FORCE, WHICH I WAS A MEMBER OF THE TASK FORCE FINDINGS THAT, THAT THE SUPER MAJORITY OF NOT EVERYONE AGREED WITH EVERYTHING.
SUPER MAJORITY OF THE TASK FORCE AGREED WITH THREE MAIN THINGS IN MY MIND.
NUMBER ONE, REGISTERING CURRENT SHORT-TERM RENTALS.
NUMBER TWO, LIMITING SHORT-TERM RENTALS TO COMMERCIAL OR ENTERTAINMENT DISTRICTS AND GIVING.
AND NUMBER THREE, GIVING THE CITY TOOLS TO GET RID OF BAD ACTORS.
UM, THESE FINDINGS WERE REPORTED AS THE PUBLIC HOU, AS THE PUBLIC OPEN HOUSES, AND WE ASKED FOR INFORMATION FROM THE PUBLIC ON IT, AND A SUPER MAJORITY OF THE PUBLIC ALSO AGREED WITH THAT.
SO, AND FINDING NUMBER TWO, WHICH WAS THE, UH, LIMITING SHORT-TERM RENTALS TO COMMERCIAL DISTRICTS IS IN YOUR PURVIEW.
AND I WOULD ARGUE THAT A PORTION OF NUMBER THREE IS, UH, GIVING THE CITY TOOLS IS PARTLY IN YOUR, IN YOUR BAILIWICK TOO.
SO, UH, WHERE WE ARE IS MOST OF THE PROPOSED AMENDMENTS THAT WERE PRESENTED BY STAFF.
I DON'T BELIEVE THEY REPRESENT THE, THE INTENT OF THE INTEREST OF THE PUBLIC AND THE INTENT OF THE, OF THE TASK FORCE RECOMMENDATIONS.
IT WAS ASKED UP THERE, DID THEY MEET THE RECOMMENDATIONS? THE ANSWER IS NO.
UH, THESE PROPOSALS WOULD ACTUALLY DO THE ACT OPPOSITE, UH, YOU KNOW, BY GIVING A RIGHT FOR BASICALLY ALL 73,000 RESIDENTIAL UNITS IN THE CITY TO BECOME AN STRI URGED THE COUNT, THE PLAN COMMISSION TO REJECT THE PROPOSED ZONING AMENDMENTS AS PRESENTED AND INSTRUCT THE STAFF TO REDRAFT THE AMENDMENTS TO REFLECT WHAT THE CITIZENS CLEARLY STATE THAT THEY WANT.
UH, A LIMITATION ON ANY NEW SHORT TERM RENTALS IN THE CITY, IN SINGLE FAMILY DISTRICTS.
I KNOW THERE'S PRESSURE TO GET THIS DONE, BUT YOU KNOW WHAT? THEY CAN, THEY CAN EXTEND THE INTERIM BAN FOR A PERIOD OF TIME.
LET'S DO IT RIGHT THE FIRST TIME INSTEAD OF TRYING TO BANDAID IT LATER AFTER YOU GIVE A 25 SECONDS A RIGHT TO EVERYONE.
CATHERINE PARKER, CHRISTIE LEWIS, ANNIE HILL.
GOOD EVENING COMMISSIONERS CITY STAFF.
I'M CATHERINE Q. PARKER, MY HUSBAND AND I LIVE AT 2 1 1 2 WILLOWBROOK WAY IN PLANO.
I'M A MEMBER OF THE PLANO CHAPTER OF THE TEXAS NEIGHBORHOOD COALITION, AND I'M HERE TONIGHT ASKING YOU TO BAN ALL SHORT-TERM RENTALS IN SINGLE FAMILY NEIGHBORHOODS.
IN PARTICULAR, I'M OPPOSED TO THE ONE ROOM AND SEASONAL SHORT-TERM RENTAL.
IN THIS PROPOSED ZONING ORDINANCE.
THESE TWO PROVISIONS WOULD ALLOW EVERY HOUSE IN PLANO TO BECOME A SHORT-TERM RENTAL BY RIGHT.
THIS IS EXACTLY THE OPPOSITE OF WHAT WE'VE BEEN ASKING
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THE CITY TO DO.FOR THE PAST TWO YEARS, MY HUSBAND AND I PURCHASED OUR, PURCHASED OUR HOME IN A SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOOD WITH THE EXPECTATION THAT WE WOULD LIVE WITH NEIGHBORS, NOT TRANSIENTS.
AS MENTIONED BEFORE, THE CITY SURVEYED ITS RESIDENTS AND FOUND THAT 74% OF THE RESPONDENTS WOULD BE MODERATELY OR VERY UNCOMFORTABLE HAVING JUST ONE SHORT-TERM RENTAL ON THEIR BLOCK.
PLEASE LISTEN TO YOUR RESIDENCE.
REMOVE FROM THIS ZONING ORDINANCE, ALL PROVISIONS THAT ALLOW SHORT-TERM RENTALS IN SINGLE FAMILY NEIGHBORHOODS.
CHRISTY LEWIS, ANNIE HILL, AND EDDIE LETTER.
I MAY HAVE SIGNED UP THE WRONG WAY
UM, I LIVE AT 2 1 0 9 BENGAL LANE IN PLANO.
UM, AND I WANNA MAKE IT CLEAR THAT THIS IS NOT MY FULL-TIME JOB.
THIS IS ACTUALLY A SIDE HUSTLE FOR ME IN ORDER TO MAKE MY MORTGAGE EVERY MONTH.
UM, I WANNA NOTE THAT THE 30 60 90 POLICY THAT'S BEEN PRESENTED WOULD ELIMINATE THAT POSSIBILITY FOR ME BEING ABLE TO MAKE MY MORTGAGE EVERY MONTH.
UM, I WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO, UH, SPAN THAT OUT OVER THE FULL YEAR IN ORDER TO MAKE UP THE DIFFERENCE IN WHAT I OWE.
UM, I WANNA ALSO MENTION THAT AS A HOST, I'M ABLE TO SCREEN EVERY SINGLE PERSON THAT I ALLOW TO STAY AT MY PLACE AS A GUEST.
UM, I CAN APPROVE THEM OR DENY THEM BASED ON THE QUESTIONS THAT I ASK THEM, AND I ASK THEM QUITE A BIT OF QUESTIONS BEFORE THEY, UM, ARE ALLOWED TO STAY.
USUALLY, UM, THEY'RE LARGE FAMILIES, SIX TO EIGHT PEOPLE.
UM, MOST OF THOSE FOLKS COULDN'T REALISTICALLY FIND A HOTEL TO STAY AT FOR 10 DAYS AT A TIME OR MORE.
UM, AS A FAMILY THAT SIZE, THERE ISN'T A ACCOMMODATION OUT THERE, UM, THAT WOULD WORK FOR THOSE TYPES OF PEOPLE.
PEOPLE WHO ARE IN TOWN FOR MEDICAL CARE.
UM, I'VE HAD FOUR OR FIVE FAMILIES COME IN FOR MEDICAL CARE, KIDS GOING THROUGH CHEMOTHERAPY, UM, AND THEIR WHOLE FAMILY HAS TO COME TO TOWN FOR THOSE SORTS OF THINGS.
UM, ALSO PEOPLE WHO ARE TRYING TO COME HERE AND ESTABLISH RESIDENCY.
PLANO RESIDENCE, NOT TRANSIENTS.
UM, I THINK THERE'S A WAY TO DO THIS FAIRLY.
UM, BUT I WANNA NOTE THAT I'VE BEEN DOING THIS FOR SIX YEARS.
I'VE NEVER HAD THE COPS CALLED ON ME ONE TIME, NO GUNSHOTS EVER, UH, CAME FROM MY HOME.
UH, WE'RE RESPONSIBLE HOSTS AND WE WANNA DO THIS RESPONSIBLY.
ANNIE HILL, EDDIE LETTERER, AND CINDY PATILLO.
GOOD EVENING CHAIR AND MEMBERS, AND THANK YOU FOR YOUR WORK ON THIS ISSUE.
I'M AN ATTORNEY LICENSED IN TEXAS AND I'VE BEEN A HOMEOWNER IN PLANO FOR 20 YEARS.
I SERVED ON THE CITY'S SHORT-TERM TASK, SHORT-TERM RENTAL TASK FORCE.
AND I'M PROUD OF THE DILIGENT AND THOROUGH WORK THAT THE CITY HAS BEEN DOING TO ADDRESS THE NEGATIVE IMPACT THAT SHORT-TERM RENTALS ARE HAVING ON OUR NEIGHBORHOODS.
LOOKING AT THE PHILOSOPHICAL BASIS OF PROPERTY LAW REALLY HELPS TO FRAME THE ISSUE AT HAND.
AT ITS CORE, PROPERTY IS NOTHING BUT A BASIS OF EXPECTATION.
THE EXPECTATION TO DERIVE CERTAIN ADVANTAGES FROM A THING THAT WE ARE SAID TO OWN.
ZONING LAWS ARE A CRITICAL PART OF LOCAL GOVERNMENT TO ENSURE THAT THESE EXPECTATIONS ARE CLEAR AND IMMUTABLE, THAT I KNOW WHAT I'M GETTING WHEN I BUY A PROPERTY, AND THAT MY NEIGHBOR KNOWS WHAT THEY'RE GETTING WHEN THEY PURCHASE THE PROPERTY NEXT TO MINE.
CITIES DISTINGUISH THEMSELVES BASED ON THEIR ZONING CHOICES, WHERE THEY PUT INFRASTRUCTURE PARKS, SCHOOLS, BUSINESSES, AND HOMES, HOW CLOSE THESE THINGS ARE TO ONE ANOTHER, HOW MANY THERE ARE, AND IT, AND IT GOES ON.
RESIDENTS MAKE LARGE INVESTMENTS, OFTEN THEIR LARGEST INVESTMENT BASED ON THESE CAREFULLY CREATED CITY DESIGNS.
PEOPLE BUY HOMES IN SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOODS BECAUSE THEY WANT TO BE SURROUNDED BY OTHER FAMILIES TO FORM A COMMUNITY, NOT TRANSIENTS AND NOT BUSINESSES.
I APPLAUD THE CITY AND COMMISSION'S ACTIONS TO ENSURE THE SPIRIT OF THE ORIGINAL ZONING LAWS THAT HOTELS BED AND BREAKFASTS AND BOARDING HOUSES ARE NOT ALLOWED IN SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOODS.
AND THAT THIS CONTINUES TO BE APPLIED.
I UNDERSTAND UNDER THE CURRENT STATE OF LAW THAT A DISTINCTION NEEDS TO BE MADE, ALLOWING THE GRANDFATHERING OF EXISTING SHORT-TERM RENTALS.
AS AN ATTORNEY, I ALSO UNDERSTAND THAT THE CITY IS WITHIN ITS LEGAL AUTHORITY TO BAN ALL NEW SHORT-TERM RENTALS IN AREAS THAT ARE
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CURRENTLY ZONED FOR SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL USE.CREATING ANY NEW RIGHTS TO USE HOMES AS SHORT TERM RENTALS CONTRADICTS CURRENT ZONING AND THE EXPECTATIONS OF SINGLE FAMILY HOMEOWNERS THAT BOUGHT THEIR HOMES HERE IN PLANO.
IT'S CRITICALLY IMPORTANT THAT THE COMMISSION DOES NOT CREATE NEW RIGHTS TO ALLOW SHORT-TERM RENTALS IN SINGLE FAMILY NEIGHBORHOODS.
TO THAT END, I AGREE WITH THE POSITION OF THE TEXAS NEIGHBORHOOD COALITION, THAT NEW ONE ROOM, ONE BEDROOM, SHORT-TERM RENTALS AND SEASONAL RENTALS SHOULD NOT BE ALLOWED IN SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOODS, BUT THAT THE PROPOSAL SHOULD OTHERWISE BE PUT INTO IMMEDIATE EFFECT.
EDDIE LETTERER, CINDY PATELLA, GINA MOREY.
I LIVE AT 1608 RI TRAIL IN PLANO.
UM, YOU KNOW, I, I SUPPORT THE REGISTRATION PROCESS.
YOU KNOW, THERE'S A SAYING, YOU KNOW, IF YOU TORTURE THE DATA ENOUGH, IT WILL CONFESS TO ANYTHING YOU LIKE.
AND, UH, I BELIEVE THE TASK FORCE DATA LACKED BALANCE.
AND IT DID NOT BRING FORTH THE PERSPECTIVES OF THE RESPONSIBLE STR OPERATORS.
THEY DID NOT HAVE AN ADEQUATE VOICE.
AND THE FACT OF THAT LACKED THE IMPARTIAL REPRESENTATION AND BROUGHT ABOUT SOME UNREALISTIC, AND, IN MY OPINION, UNFAIR PROPOSED REGULATIONS.
NOW, OBVIOUSLY WE TALKED ABOUT THIS NOT AFFECTING GRANDFATHERED PEOPLES.
I'M A GRANDFATHER IN MORE CASE THAN ONCE.
UM, BUT THIS WHOLE NOTION OF SEASONAL RENTALS HERE IN IN PLANO, UH, TO ME IT DOES.
DOESN'T H HOLD ANY WEIGHT? I DON'T, I DON'T.
I SEE NOBODY FROM AN INVESTMENT STANDPOINT COME INTO PLANO TO BUY UP ST IN COMMUNITIES SO THAT THEY CAN RENT IT FOR 90 DAYS.
THERE'S NO ECONOMIC, UH, CREDENCE TO THAT EVER HAPPENING.
UM, YOU KNOW, THIS WAS BASED ON AN ARLINGTON MODEL.
ARLINGTON IS A VACATION MODEL.
WHY DON'T WE BASE IT? WHY DON'T WE LOOK AT THE REGULATIONS? WHY DON'T WE LOOK AT THE SURROUNDING CITIES AROUND PLANO, PEOPLE THAT ARE MORE LIKE US, FRISCO, ALLEN RICHARDSON, SUCCESSFUL REGISTRATION PROCESSES WITH NO ISSUES AND LOWER CRIME RATES THAN WE HAVE RIGHT NOW, WHICH IS VERY INTERESTING.
SO WHY DON'T WE FOLLOW THEIR LEAD? WHY DON'T WE LOOK TO ESTABLISH FAIR AND BALANCED REGULATIONS? AND THEN THROUGH THAT, LET'S NATURALLY WEED OUT THE 10 BAD OPERATORS OUT THERE.
YOU KNOW, YOU TALK ABOUT THE PARTIES, 30 SECONDS, AIRBNB WILL SHUT DOWN ANYBODY THAT'S HAVING PARTIES BECAUSE IT'S AGAINST THEIR REGULATIONS.
I GOTTA, I GOTTA REQUEST REQUEST TODAY.
I'VE GOT A 2-YEAR-OLD, WE'D LIKE TO HAVE A PARTY.
MY RESPONSE, WE DON'T ALLOW PARTIES AT MY HOUSE.
SO WE'VE GOT A LOT OF GOOD OPERATORS, 99%, WE'VE GOT GREAT GUESTS THAT ARE COMING TO THIS COMMUNITY, AND I THINK WE'RE SENDING A MESSAGE TO THE COMMUNITY AND A CHANGE IN LANDSCAPE OUT THERE.
WE DON'T WANT YOU GO TO ARLINGTON, GO TO MESQUITE, GO SOMEPLACE ELSE.
CINDY PATELLO, GINA MURRAY, AND STACY MATTHEWS.
I LIVE AT 6 2 2 9 WESTCHESTER LANE, MY HOME FOR ALMOST 31 YEARS.
UM, I WILL CUT RIGHT TO THE CHASE.
I WANT TO ADDRESS THE LIMITED AND SEASONAL OPTION FOR THE BED AND BREAKFAST, TWO TO FIVE BEDROOM AND THE VACATION RENTALS.
UM, YOU'VE HEARD THE STATISTICS HERE THAT THE, THE SUPER MAJORITY OF PEOPLE DO NOT WANT THESE, UM, SHORT-TERM RENTALS ON THEIR BLOCK.
I SUPPORT THE PROPOSED ORDINANCE REGARDING WHERE THOSE PROPERTIES ARE ALLOWED TO OPERATE YEAR ROUND.
THE, UM, BED AND BREAKFAST TWO TO FIVE.
IT REQUIRES A, A SPECIFIC USE PERMIT TO BE IN A RESIDENTIAL AREA, AND THE VACATION RENTALS ARE NOT ALLOWED THERE AT ALL.
I AM FLUMMOXED BY THE IDEA THAT WE WOULD THEN ALLOW THEM ON A LIMITED BASIS OR A SEASONAL BASIS IN OUR SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOODS AFTER WORKING FOR TWO YEARS TO TRY TO GET ALL THE NEW SHORT-TERM RENTALS OUT OF OUR NEIGHBORHOODS.
I'M NOT EXCITED ABOUT A PROVISION THAT ALLOWS THEM BACK IN MY NEIGHBORHOOD RANDOMLY FOR ONE TO TWO TO THREE MONTHS EACH YEAR.
UM, I DON'T SEE HOW THAT FULFILLS, UM, OUR GOAL OF MAINTAINING AND STRENGTHENING OUR SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOODS.
I'M ASKING YOU TO REMOVE THAT SEASONAL SLASH LIMITED PROVISION FROM THE PROPOSED ORDINANCE AND TO RECOGNIZE THAT THE CITY GOT IT RIGHT WHEN IT SAID THAT BOARDING HOUSES AND UNMANNED, MANY HOTELS DO NOT BELONG IN OUR NEIGHBORHOODS.
THEY DON'T BELONG THERE YEAR ROUND, AND THEY REALLY DON'T BELONG THERE EVER.
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GINA MORAY, STACEY MATTHEWS, FOLLOWED BY MATT BINGHAM.HELLO, MY NAME IS GINA MOOREY.
I LIVE AT 48 25 BULL RUN DRIVE.
THANKS SO MUCH FOR YOUR TIME TONIGHT.
I'VE LIVED IN PLANO THE MAJORITY OF MY LIFE.
I'VE BEEN IN MY CURRENT HOME IN PLANO FOR 20 YEARS, AND I'VE BEEN A SHORT TERM RENTAL HOST AND AN AIRBNB SUPER HOST FOR A LITTLE OVER TWO YEARS NOW.
I'M NOT GONNA REPEAT EVERYTHING THAT HAS ALREADY BEEN SHARED WITH YOU GUYS, BUT THE ONE, UM, CONCERN THAT I DO HAVE IS THE REQUESTING OF A TWO NIGHT MINIMUM.
UM, I DON'T SEE HOW OR WHERE THAT WOULD BE BENEFICIAL.
UM, UM, FOR THE ISSUES THAT SO FEW OF US HAVE EXPERIENCED IN THE COMMUNITY.
NOT TO MENTION THE AVAILABILITY OF MY PROPERTY HAS ACTUALLY HELPED LOCAL PLANO RESIDENTS WHEN THEY'VE EXPERIENCED, UM, EMERGENCIES WITHIN THEIR OWN HOMES DUE TO FLOOD OR LOSS OF POWER THAT HAPPENS TO BE A PLANO ISD, UM, TEACHER AND WHATNOT.
SO THE SAME DAY IN LAST MINUTE BOOKINGS ARE A DEFINITE NEED AND USED IN A PROPER MANNER.
WE'VE ALREADY TOUCHED ON THAT.
ANYWAY, I THINK ALSO THE TASK FORCE IS MISLEADING ON, IT'S A DISRUPTION TO ALL OF OUR NEIGHBORS.
LITERALLY, I WAS OUT FRONT, UM, DISPERSING UP MY GARDEN AND MY NEXT DOOR NEIGHBOR CAME OUT AND I EXPLAINED TO HER WHAT WAS GOING ON WITH THE CITY, AND SHE SAID, JEAN, I DON'T SEE WHAT THE ISSUE IS.
SHE SAID, IT'S NOT LIKE YOU HAVE DROVES OF CARS OUT FRONT.
YOU KNOW, IT'S NEVER BEEN AN ISSUE.
MAYBE THOSE WE SHOULD ATTACK, BUT NOT THE ONES WHO ARE DOING IT RESPONSIBLY.
ANYWAY, I APPRECIATE YOUR TIME.
STACY MATTHEWS, MATT BINGHAM, FOLLOWED BY ADAM CHRISTENSEN, WHO'S ON ZOOM.
STACY MATTHEWS, 2300 BRENNAN DRIVE.
UM, I APPRECIATE THE OPPORTUNITY, UH, TO TAKE A MOMENT TODAY.
UM, I ACTUALLY BECAME A RESIDENT OF PLANO, 1981 WHEN I WAS FIVE YEARS OLD.
I BECAME AN AIRBNB SUPERHOST, UM, IN SEPTEMBER OF 2014.
UM, IT WAS ALSO THAT YEAR, UH, THAT MY MOTHER BECAME GRAVELY SICK AND NEEDED TO BE MOVED INTO ASSISTED LIVING.
INSTEAD OF SELLING OUR FAMILY HOME AT A TERRIBLE LOSS DUE IT'S DILAPIDATING CONDITION, I DECIDED TO COMPLETELY RENOVATE MY CHILDHOOD HOME.
I THEN LISTED IT ON AIRBNB, AND I CAN TELL YOU IT HAS TRULY BEEN A GODSEND.
LAST YEAR WE HAD 30 GUESTS AND CLEARED 30,000 IN INCOME, AND 4,100 OF INCOME HAS GONE TO MY MAID FOR HER CLEANING FEE DURING MY HOSTING TENURE.
THE INCOME OVER THE YEARS HAS OFFSET THE COST OF THE INITIAL RENOVATIONS, NUMEROUS UPGRADES AND REPAIRS TO THE HOME, INCLUDING 10,000 OF FOUNDATION REPAIR DONE JUST LAST WEEK THAT I SIMPLY WOULDN'T HAVE AFFORDED TO BE ABLE TO DO WITHOUT, NOT TO MENTION.
ON A PERSONAL NOTE, MY MOM'S CRITICAL CARE AND COST.
HAVING THE INCOME FROM AIRBNB KEPT HER OFF MEDICAID, THE SECOND LARGEST BUDGET EXPENSE FOR THIS GREAT STATE, AND AFFORDED US A LEVEL OF CARE FOR HER THAT OTHERWISE WOULD NOT HAVE BEEN POSSIBLE FOR THE AIRBNB INCOME.
I AM TRULY GRATEFUL DURING OUR TIME HOSTING, WE'VE HOSTED MANY GOOD PEOPLE, INCLUDING MEMBERS OF OUR OWN COMMUNITY.
AS MENTIONED RIGHT HERE IN PLANO, OUR GUESTS INCLUDES SOME OF THE 135,000 FOLKS RELOCATING JUST LAST YEAR TO THE DFW METROPLEX AND SEARCHING FOR THEIR NEW FOREVER HOME.
MANY NEIGHBORS THAT SIMPLY DID NOT WANT TO STAY AT A TINY STUDIO EFFICIENCY WITH THEIR FAMILIES AND PETS AS I DID DURING MY OWN RENOVATIONS AT THE RESIDENCE IN MARRIOTT FOR SIX MONTHS.
THEY WANT A HOME, A PLACE WHERE MEALS CAN BE COOKED AND SHARED TOGETHER AROUND A DINNER TABLE, ACCESS TO BACKYARDS AND COMFORT.
I REALIZE THERE HAVE BEEN BAD ACTORS AS AIRBNB GUESTS.
VERY FEW, HOWEVER, NOISE COMPLAINTS AND PARTIES AND EXCESS AT SOME AIR, AND B AIRBNBS, I BELIEVE IT IS THE RESPONSIBILITY OF THE HOST TO VET OUT THESE POTENTIAL OFFENDERS.
MY LISTING DESCRIPTION CLEARLY STATES IN ALL CAPITALS, NO PARTIES AND IS STRICTLY ENFORCED.
BOTH OF MY NEIGHBORS TO EACH SIDE OF ME ARE AWARE.
I AIRBNB MY HOME WHILE I TRAVEL EXTENSIVELY SIX MONTHS OUT OF THE YEAR FOR WORK, 30 SECONDS.
AND THEY ARE INSTRUCTED TO CONTACT ME AT ANY HOUR IF THERE IS ANY SUSPICIOUS ACTIVITIES, CARS OUT FRONT, ANY PARTIES.
LUCKILY, THIS HAS NOT ONCE BEEN THE CASE IN THE LAST NINE YEARS.
I'M ASKING THAT YOU CONSIDER KINDLY THAT THE EVERYDAY RESIDENTS WHO BENEFIT SO GREATLY FROM THIS PLATFORM AND THE INCOME IT PROVIDES TO THE HARDWORKING HOMEOWNER.
IF THE LAW CHANGES IN NEW RULE THAT WE CAN ONLY RENT FOR THIS PROPOSED LIMITED AMOUNT OF TIME, 30, 60 OR 90 DAYS, I WOULD NOT EVEN BE ABLE TO COVER MY MONTHLY OPERATING COST.
I ASK, I ASK THAT YOU PLEASE NOT ALLOW THIS TO HAPPEN.
LEADERS, PLEASE DO NOT PUNISH THE MANY TIME IS FOR THE MISTAKES OF THE FEW.
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MATT BINGHAM, ADAM CHRISTENSEN, AND LYNN MCCLEON.UH, I LIVE AT 34 13 MONTREAL DRIVE.
MY FAMILY MOVED HERE 48 YEARS AGO.
I WAS BORN AND RAISED HERE, AND I'VE LIVED IN MY HOUSE FOR 10 YEARS.
UM, PEOPLE AGAINST, UH, SRTS DON'T CARE ABOUT THE COMMUNITY.
THEY SAY THEY DO, BUT THEY THINK IT'S AN A NUISANCE TO GO TALK TO THEIR NEIGHBOR, TO ASK THEM TO QUIET DOWN THEIR PARTIES, HAVE THEIR HOUSES
THESE PEOPLE DON'T CARE ABOUT THE COMMUNITY.
REGISTERING STR IS AGAINST THE FREE MARKET.
THIS COUNTRY WAS FOUNDED ON PRINCIPLES OF PROPERTY RIGHTS.
THE GOVERNMENT DOESN'T GRANT, RIGHT? UH, THEY, THEY DO.
FORCING RIDICULOUS FEES TO PAY, INCREASE THE TAXES ON STR HOSTS TO OFFSET THE TAXES THAT YOU'RE GONNA LOSE WHEN THESE HOSTS CAN NO LONGER AFFORD THE COSTS TO HOST IS RIDICULOUS.
I'VE NEVER HEARD OF ANY PLACES FOR MEN TO GO WHEN THEY'RE HOMELESS.
THERE'S SHELTERS FOR WOMEN THAT WE'VE HEARD ABOUT IN THIS COMMITTEE PREVIOUS WEEKS, 30 SECONDS.
PLEASE DO NOT BAN OR ECOACH THE COSTS OF PEOPLE TRYING, STRUGGLING TO PAY THEIR BILLS AND PAY FOR THEIR HOUSES IN THIS NEIGHBORHOOD, IN THIS CITY.
UM, ESPECIALLY THOSE THAT AREN'T RENTING OUT THE ENTIRE HOME.
WE ARE JUST TRYING TO SURVIVE.
WE AREN'T CAUSING PROBLEMS IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
OUR GUESTS AREN'T THROWING, THROWING PARTIES.
THEY AREN'T TRAFFICKING HUMANS.
YOUR TIME IS, WE LIVE HERE IN OUR HOUSES.
WE CONTROL WHAT HAPPENS ON OUR HOUSES.
WE HAVE ADAM CHRISTENSEN VIA ZOOM, THEN FOLLOWED BY LYNN MCCLEON AND ANTONIO.
MR. CHRISTENSEN, ARE YOU WITH US? MR. CHRISTENSEN IS ONLINE.
UH, WE NEED TO HAVE HIS CAMERA ON TO BE ABLE TO HEAR HIS PRESENTATION.
AND WE'LL MOVE ON TO THE NEXT SPEAKER, PLEASE.
LYNN MCCLEON, FOLLOWED BY ANTONIO, MIGUEL MOLINA BENDECK, AND THEN GREG PATELLO.
I'M LYNN MCCLEON AND I LIVE AT 40 21 ELM HEALTH DRIVE IN PLANO FOR THE PAST 28 YEARS.
PLEASE DO NOT ALLOW ANY NEW SHORT-TERM RENTALS IN SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOODS.
THERE IS A SHORT-TERM RENTAL, JUST THREE HOUSES DOWN FROM ME.
PEOPLE STAYING IN A SHORT-TERM RENTAL DO NOT BECOME PART OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD OR ARE INVESTED IN THE UPKEEP OF THE PROPERTY OR THE COMMUNITY.
THEY ARE TRANSIENTS JUST LIKE SOMEONE STAYING AT A HOTEL.
SHORT TERM RENTAL OWNERS SAY THEY HAVE PROPERTY RIGHTS.
AS A RESIDENT AND HOMEOWNER IN PLANO, I BOUGHT INTO A SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOOD, SO I WOULDN'T HAVE STRANGERS COMING AND GOING EVERY FEW DAYS.
SHORT-TERM RENTAL OWNERS SAY TERM RENTALS ARE BENEFICIAL TO PLANO AND TO NEIGHBORHOODS.
WELL, THEY DEFINITELY ARE BENEFICIAL TO THE SHORT TERM RENTAL OWNERS BECAUSE THEY MAKE MONEY FROM THEM.
BUT IT IS AT A COST TO THE PEOPLE WHO LIVE NEXT TO THE SHORT TERM RENTAL AND TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD BECAUSE OF LOWER PROPERTY VALUES AND SAFETY CONCERNS.
NO ONE WANTS TO LIVE NEXT TO A SHORT TERM RENTAL WITH PEOPLE COMING AND GOING.
KEEP IN MIND, THE VAST MAJORITY OF SHORT-TERM RENTALS COULD EASILY BECOME LONG-TERM RENTALS OR BE SOLD.
BUT IN REALITY, THERE'S MORE MONEY TO BE MADE, UM, BY A SHORT-TERM RENTAL OWNER TO KEEP IT AS A SHORT-TERM RENTAL.
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A SHORT-TERM RENTAL IS JUST A HOUSE.IT'S NOT A HOME, IT'S A BUSINESS.
THEY ARE IN BUSINESS TO MAKE MONEY.
THEY ARE A BUSINESS JUST LIKE A HOTEL, AND THEY HAVE NO BUSINESS BEING IN SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOODS.
THAT'S WHY WE HAVE ZONING IN PLANO.
IN CONCLUSION, I RESPECTFULLY ASK EACH OF YOU, PLEASE DO NOT PUT THE INTEREST OF SHORT-TERM RENTAL OWNERS WHO SEE A HOUSE JUST AS AN INCOME STREAM AND MAY NOT EVEN LIVE IN PLANO OR EVEN IN TEXAS.
OVER THE INTERESTS OF YOUR PLANO RESIDENCE AND NEIGHBORHOODS, YOUR TIME AND COMMUNITY.
PLEASE DO NOT ALLOW ANY NEW SHORT-TERM RENTALS AND SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOODS.
MIGUEL MOLINA BENDECK, AND GREG PATELLO, FOLLOWED BY CHRISTIAN ROECKER.
UM, LAST TIME I CAME A LITTLE MORE PREPARED WITH A VERY PERSONAL TESTIMONY OF HOW MY AIRBNB IS, LIKE THE STANDARD THAT WE SHOULD FOLLOW REGARDING SECURITY CAMERAS AND MAINTENANCE, SOMETIMES EVEN BETTER THAN THE PEOPLE THAT LIVE IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
I CAME FROM HONDURAS AS AN INTERNATIONAL STUDENT, AND NOW I'M HERE WITH AN H ONE B VISA.
AND ONE OF THE INCOMES I CAN HAVE IS, UH, BE A LANDLORD AND GET THAT EXTRA INCOME.
AND I GREW UP IN AN AMERICAN SCHOOL IN HONDURAS, SO I SET THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE EVERY DAY, EVERY SCHOOL DAY.
AND I GREW UP WITH MORE AMERICAN VALUES THAN THE ONES YOU SEE NOWADAYS IN THIS COUNTRY.
UM, AND TO ME IT'S CRAZY TO SEE A LARGE GROUP OF OLDER PEOPLE BEGGING THE LOCAL GOVERNMENT TO TAKE THEIR RIGHTS AWAY.
'CAUSE I HAVE THE RIGHT TO RENT OUT MY PROPERTY.
THERE'S NO REASON WHY A BUNCH OF OLDER PEOPLE COMPLAIN ABOUT A NUISANCE NEIGHBOR.
IT'D BE A TREAT TO HAVE ANY ONE OF THESE FOLKS AS YOUR NEIGHBOR.
YOU CAN JUST IMAGINE WHAT THAT WOULD BE LIKE.
SO I I JUST COME TO YOU AS A PERSON WHO CARES ABOUT THE CITY, WHO CARES ABOUT OBVIOUSLY MY FAMILY, AND ABOUT THE INCOME THAT THE AIRBNB BUSINESS AND SHORT TERM RENTALS LEAVE TO US.
AND IT'S JUST RIDICULOUS TO ME THAT AMERICAN CITIZENS ARE BEGGING LOCAL GOVERNMENTS TO TAKE RIGHTS AWAY FROM OTHER CITIZENS.
AND I, LET'S SAY I'M GRANDFATHERED IN, BUT WHAT ABOUT THE GUY THAT WANTS TO RENT OUT A PLANO PROPERTY AND SHORT-TERM RENT IT? HE WON'T BE ABLE TO NOW OR IF WITH THE, WHATEVER, UM, THINGS THEY'RE DOING FOR THE, LIKE, CONTROL AND REGULATION, THEY COULD, BUT IT'S ALL COMPLICATED.
LAST TIME HE SPOKE A LITTLE BIT WITH US, AND I COMPLETELY DISAGREE WITH THE WAY THAT YOU'RE LOOKING AT THE SINGLE FAMILY ZONING AS A HOTEL 30 SECONDS.
AND THAT IS NOT, YOU KNOW, FAIR.
UM, AND THEN THE GRANDFATHERING, UM, IT CAN'T BE THE 30, 60, 90.
IT SHOULD BE THE WAY IT IS UNLIMITED.
UM, AND I GUARANTEE YOU, IF YOU TAKE THIS TO A PUBLIC VOTE AND WORD IT A CERTAIN WAY, THE PEOPLE WON'T VOTE IN FAVOR OF THE BAN.
'CAUSE YOU'RE BASICALLY BEGGING THE GOVERNMENT TO TAKE YOUR RIGHTS AWAY.
JUST A QUICK, A QUICK REMINDER TO KEEP IT RESPECTFUL.
GREG PATELLO, FOLLOWED BY KRISTEN REER AND THEN COREY REKER.
I'VE LIVED AT 62 29 WESTCHESTER LANE, 7 5 0 9 3 FOR MORE THAN 30 YEARS.
THERE'S AN INDEPENDENT STUDY LED BY THE SCHOOL OF PUBLIC POLICY AND URBAN AFFAIRS AT NORTHEASTERN UNIVERSITY IN BOSTON, MASSACHUSETTS.
THE STUDY EXAMINED THE CAUSAL LINKAGE BETWEEN THE CONVERSION OF RESIDENTIAL HOUSING TO SHORT-TERM RENTALS AND INCIDENTS OF WHAT THE STUDY CHARACTERIZED THAT THESE ARE PRIVATE CONFLICT, VANDALISM, PARKING ENCROACHMENT, SOCIAL DISORDER PARTIES, DRUNKENNESS, LEWDNESS AND VIOLENCE, ASSAULT, ARMED CONFLICT AND ROBBERY OVER A PERIOD OF MORE THAN TWO YEARS.
THE STUDY IS UNIQUE IN THAT IT'S SOLELY FOCUSED ON NEIGHBORHOODS AND INCLUDED WHAT IT TERMED USAGE OR THE NUMBER OF TRANSIENTS BASED ON THE NUMBER OF REVIEWS AS AN ADDITIONAL MEASURE OF AIRBNB PRESENCE.
I'VE BEEN RELUCTANT TO PRESENT STUDIES CONDUCTED USING DATA FROM OTHER CITIES, BUT I THINK THE RESULTS AND FINDINGS ARE RELEVANT.
UH, AND OFFER INSIGHT TO THE COMMENTS THAT YOU HAVE HEARD OR WOULD HEAR.
THE STUDY FOUND THAT AIRBNB PREVALENCE IN A NEIGHBORHOOD CAN BE ASSOCIATED WITH INCREASES IN VIOLENCE, BUT NOT WITH SOCIAL ORDER AND PRIVATE CONFLICT.
THE EFFECT OF AIRBNB PENETRATION ON VIOLENCE APPEARED TO STRENGTHEN OVER
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MULTIPLE YEARS.INTERESTINGLY, THE STUDY DID NOT FIND A SIGNIFICANT CORRELATION BETWEEN USAGE AND ANY OF THE CRIME CATEGORIES.
THE STUDY'S FINDINGS SUGGESTED THAT THE CRIMES WERE NOT BEING COMMITTED BY THE TRANSIENT, BUT THE CONVERSION OF HOUSING TO SHORT-TERM RENTAL UNDERMINES THE COMMUNITY FABRIC OF NEIGHBORHOODS, AND IN TURN, THEIR NATURAL ABILITY TO COUNTERACT AND DISCOURAGE CRIME.
THIS WOULD CONFIRM THE NOTION THAT MOST HOSTS ARE INDEED GREAT HOSTS AND MOST GUESTS ARE INDEED GREAT GUESTS.
HOWEVER, IN THE CASE OF VIOLENT CRIME, THAT'S IRRELEVANT.
FIVE STAR GUESTS ARE STILL STRANGERS THAT COME IN AND OUT OF OUR NEIGHBORHOODS AND HOMES OFFERING COVER.
FOR THOSE LOOKING TO COMMIT CRIMES, SEE SOMETHING, SAY SOMETHING IS ONLY EFFECTIVE IF YOU SEE SOMETHING THAT YOU OTHERWISE WOULD NOT EXPECT TO SEE.
THE FACT THAT IT IS NOT POSSIBLE TO ATTRIBUTE THESE CRIMES TO A SINGLE LISTING EXPOSES ANOTHER CRITICAL FLAW OF RELYING SOLELY ON CALLS FOR SERVICE DATA.
THE CONNECTION, UH, BETWEEN INCREASED CRIME IN NEIGHBORHOODS WITH A NUMBER OF SHORT TERM RENTALS IS CONSISTENT WITH OTHER STUDIES.
THE SUGGESTED REASONING IS CONSISTENT WITH DECADES OF DATA, KNOWLEDGE, AND EXPERIENCE IN NEIGHBORHOOD CRIME PREVENTION.
KNOWING YOUR NEIGHBORS ARE THE FOUNDATION OF BOTH THE NEIGHBORHOOD CRIME WATCH AND NATIONAL NIGHT OUT, BOTH OF WHICH ARE PROMOTED AND SUPPORTED BY PLANO PD D.
THE DATA AVAILABLE FROM THE PLANO SURVEY MIGHT BE USED TO HYPOTHESIZE THE LACK OF CORRELATION BETWEEN AIRBNB PREVALENCE AND THE INCREASE IN SOCIAL DISORDER OR PRIVATE CONFLICT.
GIVEN THAT DATA WAS LIMITED TO NINE ONE ONE CALL DISPATCHES PLANOS DATA SUGGESTS THAT FOR INCIDENTS OF THESE NATURE, THERE IS A CALCULUS IN THE DETERMINATION TO INVOLVE LAW, LAW ENFORCEMENT, OR TAKE ANY MEASURABLE ACTION.
I, MY MY FINAL CONCLUSION IS, LOOK, I DON'T BELIEVE THERE'S A SINGLE HOST OR OPERATOR THAT WANTS TO MAKE OUR NEIGHBORHOODS LESS SAFE, BUT UNINTENDED CONSEQUENCES ARE STILL CONSEQUENCES.
KRISTEN REINER, FOLLOWED BY CORY REKER AND THEN NEL CUEVAS.
HI, GOOD EVENING COMMISSIONERS.
I AM KRISTEN REKER, AND I LIVE IN OLD TOWN PLANO, JUST DOWN THE STREET FROM HERE.
AND I HAVE LIVED HERE SINCE I GRADUATED COLLEGE 14 YEARS AGO.
MY ENTIRE ADULT LIFE, I CHOSE TO COME TO PLANO.
SINCE 2017, MY HUSBAND AND I HAVE BEEN SHORT-TERM RENTAL HOSTS AND HAVE HOSTED HUNDREDS OF GUESTS.
OUR GUESTS ARE OFTEN COUPLES MOVING TO THE AREA, LOOKING FOR APARTMENTS OR HOMES.
ONE OF OUR RECENT GUESTS JUST BOUGHT A HOUSE DOWN THE STREET FROM US AND MOVED IN IN JANUARY.
AND OTHER GUESTS ARE IN TOWN FOR BUSINESS OR GRANDPARENTS VISITING GRANDKIDS.
NOT ONLY HAVE WE MET LIFELONG FRIENDS THROUGH THIS EXPERIENCE, HOSTING HAS PROVIDED US FLEXIBILITY, FINANCIAL STABILITY, AND HAS GIVEN US THE ABILITY TO REINVEST IN OUR HOME.
OUR NEIGHBORS HAVE FULLY SUPPORTED OUR SHORT-TERM RENTAL AND HAVE ENJOYED MEETING MANY OF OUR GUESTS.
I UNDERSTAND THE CONCERNS SOME RESIDENTS HAVE WITH POTENTIAL ISSUES AT SHORT-TERM RENTALS IN THEIR NEIGHBORHOODS.
BUT ALL PROPERTIES AND ALL TENANTS, LONG-TERM OR SHORT TERM, HAVE THE POTENTIAL TO CAUSE NUISANCES AND SHORT-TERM RENTAL HOSTS LIKE ME ARE OFTEN UNFAIRLY CONDEMNED.
I SUPPORT FAIR COMMON SENSE RULES THAT PROTECT NEIGHBORHOODS AND RESPONSIBLE HOSTS.
I THINK THAT NUISANCE ISSUES COULD BE BETTER MITIGATED ACROSS THE BOARD.
THIS CAN BE EASILY ACCOMPLISHED WITH THE ENFORCEMENT OF THE EXISTING NUISANCE ORDINANCES AND OCCUPANCY ORDINANCES, RATHER THAN STRIPPING THE RIGHTS OF RESPONSIBLE SHORT-TERM RENTAL OPERATORS.
AS YOU CONSIDER THIS DRAFT ORDINANCE, YOUR DECISION SHOULD BE BASED ON THE FACTS AND DATA, NOT THE ANECDOTES OF A ONE-SIDED TASK FORCE.
YOU SHOULD ALSO CONSIDER ALL THE SHORT TERM RENTALS.
BRING ALL THAT SHORT TERM RENTALS BRING TO PLANO AND ALL THE TOOLS THAT ALREADY EXIST.
I BELIEVE THAT SHORT TERM RENTALS DO BELONG IN PLANO NEIGHBORHOODS, AND THEY DO FILL A NICHE THAT TRADITIONAL HOTELS DO NOT MEET WHEN OPERATED THOUGHTFULLY WITH AN EYE TOWARDS BEING GOOD NEIGHBORS, THEY PRESENT A UNIQUE RESIDENTIAL HOUSING TYPE THAT FILLS IN NEEDS, SUPPORTS THEIR OWNERS, AND BENEFITS THE CITY AS A WHOLE.
COREY REINER, FOLLOWED BY HAAL CUEVA, AND THEN ADAM CABIN.
I'M A 14 YEAR RESIDENT OF PLANO, 12 YEAR HOMEOWNER AND SEVEN YEAR HOST ON AIRBNB.
AS KRISTEN SAID, WE'VE WELCOMED HUNDREDS OF GUESTS INTO OUR HOME AND SERVED AS AMBASSADORS TO THEM FOR THE CITY, ALL WHILE ENHANCING THE COMMUNITY FABRIC OF OUR NEIGHBORHOOD AND CONTRIBUTING TO WHAT MY NEIGHBORS WOULD AGREE IS ONE OF THE BEST STREETS IN PLANO.
I HAVE A FEW COMMENTS ON THE, THE TECHNICAL ASPECTS OF THE, UM, PROPOSED ZONING CHANGES.
THEIR MEANING AND INTENT SHOULD BE CLEAR AND UNAMBIGUOUS, ESPECIALLY WHEN IT COMES TO MATTERS OF LAW AND REGULATION.
AS AN ARCHITECT, I SPEND MORE TIME THAN I CARE TO ADMIT READING AND INTERPRETING ZONING CODES THROUGHOUT DFW.
THE DEFINITIONS USED IN THIS ORDINANCE, VACATION RENTAL AND BEND BREAKFAST FAIL.
VACATION RENTAL IMPLIES TO ME A BEACH HOUSE OR A SKI CHALET, NOT A RUN OF THE MILL TRACT HOUSE IN SUB TRACTED HOME IN
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SUBURBAN TEXAS.THE TASK FORCE HASN'T PRODUCED ANY DATA OR EVIDENCE THAT PLANO HAS BECOME A RESORT COMMUNITY.
THE TASK A MORE NEUTRAL, UH, AND EXPLANATORY WORD SHOULD BE USED.
LIKEWISE, BED AND BREAKFAST CONJURES IMAGES OF STUFFY VICTORIAN HOMES WITH CREAKY FLOORS AND DOILIES.
THE TERM DOES NOT FIT THE RENTING OF ROOMS IN SHARED HOMES THROUGH PEER-TO-PEER PLATFORMS. THAT IS, AS IT IS PRACTICED TODAY.
AGAIN, STAFF IN THE TASK FORCE HAVE NOT PRODUCED ANY DATA TO ILLUMINATE THIS TYPE OF RENTAL.
AND CHOSE INSTEAD TO REPURPOSE AN EXISTING DEFINITION, A BETTER TERM SHOULD BE USED.
LASTLY, I BELIEVE THE BANNING OF WHOLE HOME STRS IN SINGLE FAMILY ZONES IS NOT FULLY SUPPORTED BY THE DATA, AND IT IS SHORTSIGHTED.
STAFF HAVE TREATED ALL SINGLE FAMILY NEIGHBORHOODS UNIFORMLY WITHOUT REGARD TO THEIR UNIQUE CHARACTERISTICS.
I CAN SPEAK TO THE CHARACTERISTICS OF MY NEIGHBORHOOD IN EAST PLANO, WHICH HAS PREDOMINANTLY 30 OLDER HOUSING STOCK.
MUCH OF IT IN NEED OF REPAIR OR UPDATE.
AN OVERLOOKED AS FEATURE OF SDRS IS THAT THE PRACTICE INCENTIVIZES HIGHER LEVELS OF INVESTMENT IN RENTAL REAL ESTATE PROPERTIES THAT MIGHT OTHERWISE BE LEFT TO DETERIORATE, DETERIORATE AS LONG-TERM RENTALS OR BE POORLY FLIPPED RENOVATIONS WILL RECEIVE HIGHER QUALITY UPGRADES BECAUSE SDR GUESTS EXPECT SUCH AND WILL PUNISH THROUGH NEGATIVE REVIEWS.
RESEARCH HAS SHOWN THAT JURISDICTIONS THAT BAN SDR ACTIVITIES SUFFER DECREASED RESIDENTIAL REAL ESTATE RELATIVE TO NEIGHBORING INCOMES.
AND I HAVE OBSERVED THIS PHENOMENON OCCURRING IN OUR NEIGHBORHOOD.
NEL CUEVA, FOLLOWED BY ADAM CABINS AND THEN PHIL DYER.
HELLO CITY, UH, PEOPLE OF, UH, PLANO.
I WOULD LIKE TO, MY NAME IS HAEL CUEVAS.
I AM IN, UH, CARROLLTON 40 24 RANDALL LANE.
UM, I WOULD LIKE TO JUST, UH, BRING TO YOUR ATTENTION, UM, WE'VE BEEN THROWING AROUND A LOT OF DATA AND I'M GONNA TRY NOT TO OVERLAP ON ANYTHING THAT HAS BEEN SAID, BUT, UM, DATA CAN BE OBSCURED IN ONE WAY OR ANOTHER TO BE ABLE TO GET THE, UH, VOTE OR THE AGREEMENT ON A CERTAIN SUBJECT.
I'M SURE IF WE, UH, CHANGED A LITTLE BIT, AND I ASKED ANY ONE OF THESE PEOPLE ON THE RIGHT, IF THEY WOULD, UM, APPRECIATE IF WITHIN VISITING FRIENDS AND FAMILY, IF THEY'RE ABLE TO ACTUALLY RESIDE RIGHT BY THEIR FAMILIES WITHOUT HAVING TO GO TO A HOTEL.
I'M SURE ALL OF THEM WOULD AGREE THAT THAT WOULD BE, UH, SOMETHING VERY BENEFICIAL FOR THEM.
UM, WE, UH, HAVE ACTUALLY SIX PROPERTIES, UM, SOME IN PLANO, SOME IN OTHER CITIES.
AND INCLUDING THE ONE IN PLANO, WE ARE THE FAVORITE HOUSE ON THE BLOCK BECAUSE WE DO HELP THE COMMUNITY AS FAR AS INSURANCE CLAIMS. UM, AS FAR AS ANYTHING THAT GOES ON IN THE COMMUNITY, WE ARE AN ASSET TO BE ABLE TO PROVIDE THEIR FRIENDS AND FAMILY TO BE ABLE TO VISIT, UM, AND, AND, AND ACTUALLY, UH, BOND WITH THE FABRIC OF THE, OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
UH, THE LAST THING I WANTED TO BRING UP IS BRING TO YOUR ATTENTION ON YOU ARE NOT ONLY DEALING WITH HOMEOWNERS, UH, THERE HAS BEEN A TREND ON WHERE, UM, UH, INVESTORS ARE PUTTING, LIKE ME AND MY WIFE ARE, WE MANAGE PROPERTIES THAT ARE FROM INVESTORS AND, UH, THE FACT THAT, THAT THE BAN WOULD HAPPEN EITHER TEMP, UH, FULLY OR, YOU KNOW, 90 DAYS OR WHATEVER TIME, UH, SEASONAL, UH, WOULD OPEN THE CITY UP TO LI LITIGATIONS FOR 30 TO FIGHT FOR THEIR RIGHTS.
SO, AND I'M SURE THAT THAT WOULDN'T BE SOMETHING THAT, UH, THE CITY OF PLANO WOULD WANT TO OPEN THEMSELVES UP TO.
SO I WOULD JUST, UM, ASK THAT YOU CONSIDER THAT AS WELL AND SEE THAT, UM, WE ARE NOT, WE ARE JUST FIGHTING TO BE ABLE TO, FOR OUR RIGHTS AND, AND TO BE ABLE TO BENEFIT THE, THE CITY OF, OF WHERE WE ARE, UM, OPERATING.
ADAM CABINS, AND THEN PHIL DYER.
I'M AT 3 5 3 3 RUCKLE DRIVE PLANO.
UM, I HAVE A PHD IN INDUSTRIAL ORGANIZATIONAL PSYCHOLOGY, A FOCUS IN RESEARCH, AND I HAVE A SERIOUS CONCERN ABOUT A LOT OF THE DATA THAT'S BEEN THROWN AROUND WITH SPURIOUS CORRELATIONS, CONNECTIONS THAT MAY NOT ACTUALLY BE CAUSAL, BUT JUST COINCIDENCES THAT WE'RE ABLE TO FIND IN CERTAIN AREAS ON EITHER SIDE OF THE, IN EITHER SIDE OF THE TABLE USING THIS NEW REALITY OF AIRBNB AND THE PLATFORMS WE'VE GOT AVAILABLE TO US TODAY.
A LOT OF FOCUS, UM, FROM BOTH SIDES HAS BEEN ON THE BENEFITS OF SHORT-TERM RENTALS ON THE HOST, BUT THERE ARE TREMENDOUS AMOUNT OF ARGUMENTS THAT COULD BE MADE THAT MANY OF THOSE SAME ARGUMENTS COULD BE APPLIED TO EVEN LONG-TERM RENTALS AS WELL, WHEREBY WE'RE TURNING OUR HOMES INTO A REVENUE GENERATOR, WHICH I DON'T THINK ANYONE ANYONE WANTS TO DO EITHER.
UM, BUT I WOULD LIKE TO TALK JUST VERY BRIEFLY, UH, IN ADDITION TO THE THINGS THAT ER BEEN SAID ABOUT
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SOME OF THE BENEFITS OF SHORT-TERM RENTALS, I'D VENTURE A GUESS THAT THE VAST MAJORITY OF THE PEOPLE IN THIS ROOM HAVE BEEN AND STAYED AT A SHORT-TERM RENTAL.IT'S CONVENIENT AND IT'S NICE TO BE NEAR F FRIENDS AND FAMILY.
FAMILY THAT WE WANT TO BE NEARBY.
UM, WE OPEN OUR HOMES TO PEOPLE SUPPORTING PLANOS VISIT VISITORS AND SUPPORTS THE VISION OF PLANO BEING A CITY OF EXCELLENCE BY ALLOWING AND WELCOMING FRIENDS AND FAMILY TO COME TO OUR NEIGHBORHOODS AND ENJOY TIME TOGETHER.
UM, WE ALSO HAVE PARALLEL INTERESTS.
WE DON'T WANT PARTIES IN OUR HOMES.
WE WANT TO MAINTAIN THE SECURITY AND THE SAFETY OF NOT ONLY THE RESIDENTS IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD, BUT ALSO OUR HOMES.
AND SO WE HAVE THOSE SAME, SAME INTERESTS AND WE DON'T BELIEVE THROWING THE BABY OUT WITH THE BATH WATER WOULD BE, WOULD BE BENEFICIAL TO ANYONE.
UM, LASTLY, I WOULD LEAVE YOU WITH, UM, I'M AN ORTHODOX JEW AND WHEN WE MOVED FROM PLANO TO ANOTHER HOME, WE HAD THE CHOICE BETWEEN KEEPING OUR HOME AT SELLING OUR HOME, TURNING IT INTO A LONG-TERM RENTAL, OR KEEPING IT IN A SHORT-TERM RENTAL.
THE BIGGEST BENEFIT WE COULD PROVIDE TO OUR COMMUNITY WAS KEEPING IT AS A SHORT-TERM RENTAL, WHERE THERE ARE NO HOTELS AVAILABLE TO PEOPLE IN WALKING DISTANCE OF THE JEWISH SYNAGOGUES IN OUR NEIGHBORHOOD.
AS PLANO BEING A CITY SUPPORTING DIVERSITY, EQUITY, INCLUSION, I WOULD HOPE THAT THAT WOULD BE A CONSIDERATION WHERE THIS IS A NEW AVENUE FOR PEOPLE TO COME AND ENJOY OUR CITY, UM, WITHOUT HAVING TO STAY IN CERTAIN SPECIFIC LOCAL AREAS.
I I HAVE A QUESTION HERE BECAUSE WE HAD A LIST OF SPEAKERS AND YOU'VE HAD A LOT OF TIME, AND SUDDENLY WE HAVE A WHOLE BUNCH OF PEOPLE WANTING TO SPEAK UNLESS YOU HAVE SOMETHING DIFFERENT AND UNIQUE TO SAY, COMPLETELY DIFFERENT FROM ANYONE ELSE.
I I REALLY WANT TO CUT THIS OFF BECAUSE I WOULD'VE SET THE TIME MUCH SHORTER EARLIER.
SO ARE ALL THE PEOPLE THAT ARE FILLING OUT CARDS, YOU HAVE SOMETHING VERY DIFFERENT.
IT'S NOT STATISTICS, IT'S NOT, IT'S ALL RIGHT.
HOW MANY, HOW MANY NEW CARDS DO WE HAVE? FOUR.
UM, I WANNA LET 'EM SPEAK, BUT I GOT AT LEAST TWO COMMISSION MEMBERS GOING RESTROOM BREAK.
SO, UM, I'M GONNA, WE'RE GONNA TAKE A RECESS FOR FIVE MINUTES.
WE'LL RESUME AT 8 47 BEING SHORT.
THESE GUYS NOT YELLING AT ME FOR RUNNING LONG MEETINGS AND HERE COMES MR. CARE.
OKAY, SO WE HAVE FOUR SPEAKERS LEFT.
THE THREE SOUNDS LIKE WE'VE GOT FIVE.
I MIGHT EVEN ASK YOU, 'CAUSE YOU CERTAINLY PROBABLY DON'T HAVE A PREPARED SPEED.
WHO'S NEXT? LET'S, LET'S CALL HIM.
UM, NEXT IS ZOE REBEL, FOLLOWED BY JUSTIN ELLIOT.
THANK YOU FOR ALLOWING ME TO SPEAK.
MY NAME IS ZOE REVEAL, AND UNFORTUNATELY, I WAS THE HOUSE THAT THE BULLET WENT THROUGH, UM, A LITTLE BIT OVER A YEAR AGO.
IT SHATTERED OUR WINDOWS, OUR WALLS, AND FRANKLY ARE SAFETY IN THE COMMUNITY.
UM, AND AS A TEMPORARY BAN COMES TO AN END, I JUST WANTED TO REMIND YOU THAT THE CITY OF PLANOS, SHORT-TERM RENTAL ORDINANCE STANDS AS A CRUCIAL STEP TOWARDS ENSURING SUCH INCIDENTS.
OUR NEIGHBORHOODS ARE MEANT TO BE SAFE HAVENS PLACES WHERE FAMILIES CAN THRIVE WITHOUT FEAR.
OUR PLANNING AND ZONING REGULATIONS ARE NOT MERELY BUREAUCRATIC MEASURES.
THEY ARE SAFEGUARDS PUT IN PLACE TO PROTECT THE INTEGRITY OF OUR CITY AND THE WELLBEING OF ITS RESIDENTS.
LET US NOT PRIORITIZE PROFIT OVER THE SAFETY AND TRANQUILITY OF OUR COMMUNITIES.
AND I JUST WANNA SAY, I THOUGHT I WASN'T OLD, BUT I GUESS I AM.
AND I JUST WANNA SAY THAT ALL THE WONDERFUL OLD PEOPLE THAT ARE UP THERE, WE TAKE CARE OF EACH OTHER AND WE, I HAVE THE BEST NEIGHBORS.
THEY TAKE CARE OF MY DAUGHTER, MY PETS, THEY ALWAYS SHOW UP WHEN WE NEED THEM TO.
FRANKLY, I'M, I FEEL LIKE I'M A GREAT NEIGHBOR AND I HOPE THEY CAN SAY THE SAME.
SO PLEASE JUST CONSIDER THIS FROM US BECAUSE WE HAVE TO DEAL WITH THE REPERCUSSIONS OF THE BAD SHORT-TERM RENTALS.
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AND I WORK FOR DIFFERENT HOSPITALS, AND THAT'S HOW I MAKE MY MORTGAGE, YOU KNOW, EVERY MONTH.UM, AND I WOULD NEVER PUT THE SAFETY OF A NEIGHBORHOOD BEFORE THAT OVER, YOU KNOW, TO GET EXTRA CASH.
SO THANK YOU JUSTIN ELLIOT, JENNIFER ASHER, AND THEN ROY ZANG.
I OWN ONE HOME IN EAST PLANO NEAR, I NOW COMPLETELY RENTED OUT ALL YEAR ROUND AS A SHORT TERM RENTAL, WHAT WAS DEEMED EARLIER AS THE PROPOSAL AS A VACATION RENTAL.
UM, I BELIEVE THIS PROPOSED REZONING COMBINED WITH THE OTHER SUGGESTIONS FROM THE TASK FORCE SHOULD BETTER PROTECTIONS FOR THOSE WHO ARE GRANDFATHERED IN.
I DO AGREE WITH THE, I DO AGREE WITH THE REGISTRATION, ET CETERA, BUT I DO THINK THAT THERE HAVE BEEN MANY THINGS THAT HAVE HAPPENED TO ME OVER THE YEARS OF OWNING THIS HOME SINCE I'VE OWNED IT SINCE 2013, UH, LIVING IN IT FOR SIX YEARS.
I MOVE OUT OF IT LONG-TERM RENTAL.
THEN YOU HAVE COVID, YOU HAVE THE TEXAS FREEZE ON MANY OCCASIONS, LIFE EVENTS HAVE OCCURRED, AND THOSE TIMES OF THE LIFE EVENTS HAVE OCCURRED.
THEN IT HAS COMPLETELY CHANGED WHAT I HAD TO DO WITH THE HOME.
MY BIGGEST LARGEST ASSET, MY BIGGEST INVESTMENT ASSET THAT I, THAT IT'S THE ONLY ONE I HAVE.
SO EVERY SINGLE TIME ONE OF THESE HAPPEN, IT WOULD BE NICE TO KNOW THAT I'M STILL GONNA BE GRANDFATHERED IN IF SOMETHING HAPPENS, IF I HAD TO MOVE AWAY TO TAKE CARE OF MY, MY SICK MOTHER, WHATEVER IT MAY BE.
UM, MY, MY POINT IS, IS THAT HOW I'M USING THAT IS UP TO ME, UH, OVER THE LAST 10 YEARS.
AND THAT THERE ARE MANY LARGE EVENTS THAT CAN HAPPEN IN ONE'S LIFE, AND I JUST THINK THERE SHOULD BE BETTER PROTECTIONS FOR THOSE.
THIS WHEN, UH, MOST RECENT HISTORY, I'VE EVEN LOST MY, I I WAS LAID OFF UNEXPECTEDLY AND THE AIRBNB WAS MY SAVING GRACE.
UH, AS WELL, IT WAS MY, THE SAVING GRACE FOR MY MOTHER WHO HAD HER ONLY, THAT WAS HER ONLY HOME BUYING IT AT THE AGE OF, I THINK SHE WAS AROUND, YOU KNOW, 65 AT THAT POINT.
AND SO FOR HER TO, UH, BUY THAT HOUSE AND THEN TELL ME HER FIRST ASSET SHE EVER OWNED, THAT SHE WAS ABOUT TO SELL IT UNTIL I CONVINCED HER TO DO A SHORT-TERM RENTAL, AND NOW SHE'S OWNED IT SINCE.
SO I THINK THERE'S MANY BENEFITS THAT COME FROM THAT.
I DO SEE THE POINTS OF, YOU KNOW, THE, THE, THE NON STR GROUP AS WELL.
BUT I JUST DO THINK THAT THERE SHOULD BE A COMBINED EFFORT BETWEEN THE ZONING AND THE SUGGESTIONS OF WHAT WE ARE, HOW THE REGISTRATION OCCURRED, 30 SECONDS THAT IT SHOULD BE A LITTLE BIT MORE, SHOULD GIVE MORE TO THE GRANDFATHERED IN AND BE ABLE TO PROTECT THEM.
BECAUSE A LOT OF THINGS CAN HAPPEN IN LIFE, AND THAT'S WHAT I DON'T WANT TO GET RID OF MY HOME.
JENNIFER ASHER ROY ZANG, FOLLOWED BY EMILY CU.
HI, MY NAME IS JENNIFER ASHER.
UM, ONE THING THAT HASN'T REALLY BEEN ACKNOWLEDGED TONIGHT IS THAT WE'RE KIND OF LIVING IN A WHOLE NEW WORLD AND WE'VE ALL HAD TO PIVOT IN DIFFERENT WAYS IN THIS NEW WORLD.
AND THERE'S ALL DIFFERENT KINDS OF BUSINESSES THAT ARE BEING RUN OUT OF PEOPLE'S HOMES NOW.
PEOPLE ARE HAVING CLIENTS COME TO THEIR HOU HOMES, UM, WHO ARE THERAPISTS, WHO ARE PHOTOGRAPHERS, WHO ARE DIFFERENT KINDS OF PEOPLE WHO ARE BRINGING DIFFERENT TYPES OF PEOPLE TO THEIR HOMES AND THAT ARE RUNNING BUSINESSES OUT OF THEIR HOMES.
UM, THIS IS JUST ANOTHER EXAMPLE OF THAT.
UM, AND IT, DIFFERENT THINGS ARE HAPPENING IN RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOODS.
UM, ALSO ANOTHER THING I WANNA TALK ABOUT IS JUST KIND OF SOME ANECDOTAL, UM, EXPERIENCES WE'VE HAD WITH OUR SHORT TERM RENTALS THAT HAVE BEEN AMAZINGLY BENEFICIAL TO PLANO AND TO OUR NEIGHBORHOOD.
WE ACTUALLY, OUR FIRST SHORT TERM RENTAL WAS OUR HOME THAT WE HAD MOVED.
WE HAD BOUGHT A NEW HOUSE AND WE COULDN'T SELL OUR OLD HOUSE.
WE ACTUALLY PUT OUR HOUSE ON AIRBNB.
WE STARTED RENTING IT OUT AND WE ENDED UP SELLING OUR HOUSE TO ONE OF OUR AIRBNB RENTERS.
IT WAS SOMEONE WHO HAD COME TO LOOK FOR A NEW, WHO ACTUALLY WAS INTERVIEWING FOR A JOB.
THEY FELL IN LOVE WITH OUR HOUSE.
THEY FELL IN LOVE WITH THE, WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD, AND THEY ENDED UP BUYING OUR HOUSE.
I'M ALL FOR REGISTERING THE HOUSE.
I'M ALL FOR LIMITING THE NUMBER OF GUESTS.
UM, I ABSOLUTELY LIMIT THE NUMBER OF OF PEOPLE WHO CAN BE IN MY HOUSE.
MY NEIGHBORS LOVE THAT THEY HAVE A SHORT-TERM RENTAL ON THE HOUSE.
WELL, UH, ON THEIR BLOCK, 30 SECONDS, WE ACTUALLY HAD OUR RENTERS WHEN WE BOUGHT OUR HOUSE, COME AND SAY, OH MY GOD, ISN'T THIS AMAZING? NOW MY GRANDKIDS CAN COME AND STAY ON OUR BLOCK WITHOUT HAVING TO STAY IN OUR HOUSE.
THERE'S LOTS OF GREAT, UM, REASONS TO HAVE A SHORT TERM RENTAL.
UM, HOSPITALS IN PLANO AND WE'VE HAD SEVERAL PEOPLE COME WHO COULDN'T STAY IN HOTEL BECAUSE OF SANITARY REASONS WHO HAVE STAYED IN OUR HOUSE BECAUSE THEY HAD, UM, SOMEBODY AT THE HOSPITAL TIME.
WE JUST HAD A SUR UM, A FAMILY WHO THEY WERE HAVING A SURROGATE CHILD WHO WAS BORN PREMATURE AND THE BABY COULDN'T BE
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EXPOSED TO GERMS IN A, UH, IN A HOTEL, BUT COULDN'T TRAVEL FOR SEVERAL WEEKS.AND SO THEY STAYED IN OUR HOUSE WITH SEVERAL FAMILY MEMBERS WHO EACH HAD THEIR OWN BEDROOM WHO COULD HELP CARE FOR THE BABY.
SO ANYWAY, THERE'S JUST LOTS OF, AND, AND THERE ARE SHORT TERM RENTALS ALL OVER THE COUNTRY THAT SERVE THESE DIFFERENT PURPOSES THAN A HOTEL, AND PARTICULARLY WITHIN NUMBER OF HOSPITALS.
PLANO, MA'AM, PLEASE WRAP UP YOUR, YOUR PASTOR.
IT DOES, IT DOES SERVE A VERY SPECIFIC PURPOSE.
THAT IS A WONDERFUL BENEFIT TO PLANO.
THANKS ROY ZANG FOLLOWED LASTLY BY EMILY CUDOS.
UM, I'M THE LICENSED REAL, UH, REAL ESTATE AGENT AND ALSO I'M THE PROFESSIONAL PROPERTY MANAGERS.
SO I WOULD LIKE TO SHARE SOME OF MY EXPERIENCE REGARDING TO THE UH, STR.
SO I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY OF YOU HAVE BEEN USED A AIRBNB TO TRAVEL TO THE WORLD? IF YOU OPEN YOUR APP, IF YOU SEARCH FOR THE PLACE YOU WANT TO GO, I CAN TELL YOU SOME PLACES IS NOT ON THE LIST.
FOR EXAMPLE, CHINA, NORTH KOREA, IF YOU TYPE THOSE CITIES, THEY SHOWS ZERO.
I UNDERSTAND CITY OF THE PLANET HAVE THE VISION OF BE A GLOBAL ECONOMIC HUB.
I HAVE BEEN SUPER HOST OF AIRBNB IN THE PAST SEVEN YEARS.
I CAN ASSURE YOU 60% OF MY GUESTS IS FROM THE FAMILY.
AND THE REMAINING 40 IS FOR THE CORPORATIONS.
THOSE PEOPLE, THEY CAME TO THE TEXAS, TEXAS IS ONE OF THE BIGGEST STATE.
AND THE PLANO IS ONCE THE FIRST POPULATION GROWING CITIES, THEY COME HERE TO OPEN THE BUSINESS.
THEIR RELOCATIONS, CORPORATIONS SEND THEIR STAFFS.
PEOPLE COME TO OPEN THE BUSINESS, THEY NEED A PLACE TO STAY.
THINK ABOUT ONE OR TWO NIGHT AIRBNB.
I DUNNO IF YOU HAVE ANY EXPERIENCE TO STAY ONE OR TWO NIGHT FOR AIRBNB.
AVERAGE COST OF AIRBNB IS 150 TO $200 A NIGHT FOR ENTIRE HOUSE IN PLANO.
PLUS WE NEED TO CHARGE 180 TO 250 CLEANING FEES ON TOP OF THAT.
PLUS A AIRBNB CHARGES ANOTHER 50 TO $70 AS A SERVICE CHARGES.
IF YOU STAY ONE OR TWO NIGHT, YOU PROBABLY END ABOUT 400 TO $600, WHICH IS A DOUBLE OR TRIPLE THEN WHAT YOU PAY TO THE HOTEL.
WHY PEOPLE ARE PAYING THAT MONEY TO STAY IN THE ENTIRE HOUSE IN PLANO, IT'S ONLY BECAUSE THEY HAVE UNIQUE NEEDS.
MEDICALS, FAMILY VISITING CORPORATION, THEY'RE OPENING THE BUSINESS.
30 SECONDS, JUST LIKE THE TWO YEARS AGO WE HAD THIS CONVERSATION AGAINST THE UBER.
NOW, TODAY, EVERYBODY USING THE UBER.
TWO YEARS AGO, AIRBNB WENT TO IPO.
THAT IS ONE OF THE BIGGEST IPO IN TRAVEL INDUSTRY IN AMERICA, IN THE WHOLE WORLD.
FRISCO, CITY OF THE ROLL, CITY OF THE MUSK, THEY ALL GRANT LICENSE, THEY COLLECT THE TAX, THE ESTABLISH THE RULES.
WE CAN DO MANY THINGS TO HELP OUR NEIGHBOR STAY PEACE, QUIET, SAFE.
BUT THE BINDING THIS NEW, NEW TIME IS ENDED IS NOT THE CONCLUSION.
EMILY CUEVAS, LAST BUT NOT LEAST.
HI, MY NAME IS NO PRESSURE, JUST
I KNOW MY NAME IS EMILY CUEVAS AND I'LL TRY TO KEEP THIS SHORT AND SWEET.
WE OWN SIX PROPERTIES CURRENTLY ACROSS CFW AND THREE OF MY PROPERTIES CURRENTLY ARE PEOPLE STAYING FOR MEDICAL TREATMENT, NOT FOR VACATION.
NOT TRANSIENT PEOPLE, PEOPLE HERE STRICTLY FOR CHEMOTHERAPY AND DIFFERENT FORMS OF TREATMENT.
ANOTHER THING I WANNA POINT OUT IS THAT UM, WE ARE IN NEIGHBORHOODS THAT WE ALSO LIVE IN IN OUR NEIGHBORHOOD.
WE HAVE AN AIRBNB THAT WE OWN AND RUN AND THE NEIGHBORS COME TO US ALL THE TIME WANTING TO RENT OUR PROPERTIES AND USE 'EM FOR THEIR FAMILIES AND FRIENDS.
IF THEY WERE SUCH A BIG ISSUE TO THESE NEIGHBORS, THEY WOULD NOT WANT TO DO THAT.
UM, ANOTHER THING I WANNA BRING TO YOUR ATTENTION, AND I THINK WE COVERED EVERYTHING ELSE, IS PLEASE LOOK INTO WHAT'S GOING IN IN ON IN DALLAS RIGHT NOW.
DALLAS TRIED TO PUT A BAN ON SDR AND GOT SUED.
AND RIGHT NOW THERE'S AN INJUNCTION ON IT BECAUSE THE PEOPLE WHO OWN THESE STRS ARE WILLING TO FIGHT FOR THEIR RIGHT TO KEEP THEIR INCOME AND KEEP THEIR HOMES THAT, LIKE PEOPLE HAVE SAID, HAVE BEEN FAMILY HOMES FOR MANY, MANY YEARS.
AND I THINK I SPEAK FOR, UM, THE REST OF US HERE, THAT IF THIS IS SOMETHING THAT'S PUT IN PLACE WHERE WE'RE LOSING INCOME OR 30, 60 OR 90 OR COMPLETELY BANNED, I BELIEVE THAT ALL OF US WILL ALSO FIGHT FOR OUR RIGHT AND ARE WILLING TO COME WITH LITIGATION.
I'M ALMOST AFRAID TO ASK, ARE WE DONE? NO, SERIOUSLY.
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THANK YOU, ALL OF YOU FOR BEING HERE.AND, UH, JUST SHOUT OUT TO EVERYONE HOLDING THE SIGNS.
YOU GUYS MIGHT BE AT THE GYM LIKE EVERY DAY OR SOMETHING.
UM, HOW LONG DID THAT TAKE US? NOT TOO BAD.
WE TOOK A BREAK IN THE MIDDLE.
I WON'T LAY IT ALL ON YOU GUYS.
SO LET'S PROBABLY GET CHRISTINA BACK UP 'CAUSE I KNOW WE HAVE QUESTIONS AND I WOULD WANT TO DROP BACK TO THE SLIDE WHERE YOU SAY, HERE'S WHAT WE WANT GUIDANCE ON AND EVERYBODY PUSHED THEIR BUTTONS.
UM, ALRIGHT, SO THE, THE QUESTION WAS, AND I I THINK YOU GUYS ARE GOOD WITH THIS.
I MEAN, WE'VE HAD OTHER MEETINGS BEFORE.
I REMEMBER THE JOINT COUNCIL P AND Z MEETING AND EVERYBODY WAS RESPECTFUL.
THERE WASN'T A LOT OF BOOZE AND CAT CALLS AND STUFF, RIGHT? SO I'M NOT TOO CONCERNED ABOUT IT.
ALL RIGHT, BEFORE WE GET DIGGING INTO THIS, UH, I HAVE SOME QUESTIONS FOR YOU, BUT LET'S START WITH MR. RATLIFF.
UM, FIRST OF ALL, CHRISTINA, TO YOU AND YOUR TEAM, THANK YOU, UM, APPRECIATE GETTING THE, THE REPORT OUT A LITTLE EARLY.
FOR THOSE OF US THAT NEEDED TO READ IT A COUPLE OF TIMES, UH, THAT WAS VERY, VERY BENEFICIAL TO HAVE A COUPLE EXTRA DAYS TO DIGEST THAT.
SO I KNOW THAT WAS EXTRA EFFORT AND WANTED TO THANK YOU PUBLICLY FOR DOING THAT FOR US.
UM, AND A HUGE AMOUNT OF WORK ALSO.
A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS THAT JUST OCCURRED TO ME AS I READ THROUGH THE REPORT AND LISTENED TO THE TESTIMONIES OF, ON ONE OF YOUR S SLIDE, ONE OF THE PAGE 1 92 OF, OF THE PACKET, UH, JUST FOR THE P AND Z, IF THEY WANNA LOOK AT IT.
THE ONE I CIRCLED WAS IT RIGHT, BASED ON URINALYSIS, WE WOULD HAVE 328 VACATION RENTALS THAT WERE NONCONFORMING UNDER THIS PROPOSAL.
BUT WHAT I'M CURIOUS ABOUT IS HOW MANY OF THOSE WOULD FALL UNDER THE DEFINITION OF SEASONAL, OR DO WE HAVE ANY IDEA? UNFORTUNATELY WITH THE DATA WE HAVE, WE DON'T HAVE A, A WAY, AN EASY WAY TO PULL THAT DATA.
WE, WE BASICALLY HAVE TO LOOK AT EACH LISTING INDIVIDUALLY, UM, WHICH JUST TAKE A LOT OF MANUAL TIME TO, TO SEE IF ANYBODY FALLS UNDER THAT.
UM, WE, WE DO HEAR, UM, ANECDOTALLY THAT THE, SOME LISTINGS DO GET PULLED DOWN FOR A PERIOD OF TIME AND THEN GET, GET PUT UP AGAIN.
UM, BUT HOW MANY, UNFORTUNATELY WE, WE DON'T HAVE A GOOD IDEA.
AND THAT KINDA LEADS INTO MY NEXT QUESTION BECAUSE I'VE HEARD THE ANECDOTAL EVIDENCE THAT SOME PEOPLE DO GO TO FLORIDA FOR THE WINTER AND RENT THEIR HOUSE WHILE THEY'RE GONE OR GO TO ASPEN FOR THE SUMMER AND RENT THEIR HOUSE WHILE THEY'RE GONE.
DO WE, IS THAT, WAS THAT THE GENESIS OF THIS IS DRIVEN BY THE OWNERS THAT WANNA RENT OUT ON A 30, 60, 90 DAY PERIOD OR WAS IT DRIVEN BY THE MARKET LOOKING FOR, I'M TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHERE, WHAT THE GENESIS WAS OF THE SEASONAL RENTAL IDEA.
UM, AS I RECALL FROM THE TASK FORCE CONVERSATIONS, UH, SOME OF THE RESIDENTS WERE, AND NOT NECESSARILY OPERATORS, BUT UM, I'D SAY NON OPERATORS NOTED THAT THERE MIGHT BE TIMES THAT THEY, THEY MAY NOT BE AT HOME FOR A PERIOD OF TIME AND MAY IT MIGHT BE BENEFICIAL TO EITHER RENT THEIR HOME OR THEY IMAGINED THEIR NEIGHBORS BEING ABLE TO DO THAT.
UM, THE TIME PERIOD, I DON'T RECALL IF THEY, THEY SPECIFIED HOW LONG THAT MIGHT BE, BUT, UM, THE IDEA THAT IT WOULD BE RELATIVELY SHORT, UM, BUT I I BELIEVE THE, THE HOSPITAL STAY, UM, OR CARING FOR A FAMILY MEMBER WERE, WERE MENTIONED AT THAT TIME.
UM, JUST A COUPLE OF OTHER SORT OF UNRELATED QUESTIONS.
UM, AND THIS MAY BE FOR MR. BELL, WHAT IS THE PROCESS NOW FOR SOMEBODY THAT'S GRANDFATHERED EXISTING NON-CONFORMING USE? UM, WHAT IS THE DURATION OF WHEN THAT USE CEASES BEFORE THE GRANDFATHERING EXPIRES? SO WHEN THE USE IS NOT OPERATIONAL FOR A PERIOD OF SIX MONTHS, THEN IT, IT WOULD LOSE ITS NONCONFORMING STATUS.
SO IF SOMEBODY HAS AN SDR TODAY AND THEY DIDN'T RENT IT FOR FIVE MONTHS AND THEN CHOSE TO RENT IT AGAIN, THEY WOULD STILL HAVE THAT GRANDFATHER IN PLACE, IT WENT PAST SIX MONTHS, IS WHEN THEY'RE IN DANGER OF LOSING THEIR GRANDFATHER'S STATUS, IS THAT CORRECT? POTENTIALLY.
I THINK WHERE IT GETS COMPLICATED IS IF THEY ARE CONTINUING TO ADVERTISE IT, BUT THEY JUST SIMPLY ARE NOT RENTING IT.
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IF THEY'RE CONTINUING TO SHOW THAT THEY INTEND TO CONTINUE TO OPERATE IT, THEN I THINK THEY, THEY, WE WOULD ANALYZE EACH ONE INDIVIDUALLY, BUT THEY, THEY MAY CONTINUE TO BE CONSIDERED GRANDFATHERED.EVEN IF IT'S NOT ACTIVELY BEING RENTED, THE INTENT TO RENT IT AS OPPOSED TO THE ACTUAL RENTING OR EFFECTIVELY THE SAME THING FOR THE PURPOSES OF GRANDFATHERING? CORRECT.
THAT, THAT WAS GONNA BE ONE OF MY OTHER QUESTIONS, SO THANK YOU FOR CLARIFYING THAT.
AND THEN LAST BUT CERTAINLY NOT LEAST, UM, I DIDN'T SEE ANYTHING IN THE ORDINANCE EXCEPT FOR THE, THE MINOR CHANGES TO ASSEMBLY AND RECREATION.
ARE THOSE THE INTENDED, UM, ADJUSTMENTS TO OUR CURRENT ORDINANCE TO HELP US IN, UM, TRYING TO FIND THE RIGHT WORD HERE, UM, TO HELP ALLEVIATE THE BAD ACTORS? GENERALLY THE, THE MAJORITY OF, UM, IMPLEMENTATION OF THE, THE PARTY HOUSE KIND OF ISSUE, UM, WE INTEND TO ADDRESS AS PART OF THE REGISTRATION ORDINANCE.
UM, HOWEVER, WE, WE DID WANNA TAKE ADVANTAGE OF THIS OPPORTUNITY TO LOOK AT THOSE DEFINITIONS TO SEE IF THEY NEED REVISIONS.
SO IN THESE PARTICULAR CHANGES, UM, THEY, THE AMUSEMENT COMMERCIAL INDOOR NOTES THAT IT'S FOR A FEE.
SO THAT IS, THAT IS SOMETHING THAT WOULD HELP US IN, IN THOSE, UM, YOU KNOW, ADVERTISE PARTIES THAT CHARGE A FEE TO GET IN, UM, THAT, THAT CHANGE WOULD HELP WITH THAT.
BUT THE ASSEMBLY HALL IS, IS JUST TO, UM, BETTER DISTINGUISH IT FROM SOCIAL OR CIVIC ASSEMBLIES, UM, AND THE MA THE OTHER IMPLEMENTATION OF, OF THAT OTHERWISE WOULD FALL UNDER THE REGISTRATION ORDINANCE.
SO THEN HOW, WHAT IS THE PROCESS, I GUESS, IN OUR CURRENT ORDINANCE TO REVOKE THE REGISTRATION? SHOULD THE PARTY HOUSE HAVE REPEATED, UH, COMPLAINTS? UM, SO I, I CAN'T SPEAK TOO WELL TO THE REGISTRATION PROCESS, THE ORDINANCE AND, UM, COUNSEL WILL BE DISCUSSING IT HERE AT THE NEXT FEW MEETINGS.
BUT THE IDEA, UM, ONE OF THE RECOMMENDATIONS OF THE TASK FORCE WAS TO HAVE, UM, KIND OF TIERED, UM, STRIKES, SO TO SPEAK, UH, IF AS, AS VIOLATIONS OCCUR ON SITE.
SO THAT'S GONNA BE A SEPARATE ORDINANCE THAT WE ARE NOT REALLY RESPONSIBLE FOR HERE.
THAT, THAT'S REALLY WHAT I NEEDED TO LEARN.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH MR. BRUNO.
AND I JUST WANT TO QUICKLY ADD MY COMPLIMENTS TO EVERYONE HERE FOR THE MANNER IN WHICH YOU CONDUCTED THIS DISCUSSION.
EVERYONE WAS RESPECTFUL, EVERYONE WAS QUIET, EVERYONE LISTENED TO THE OTHER SIDE EVEN WHEN THEY DIDN'T AGREE WITH IT.
AND I THINK THAT'S THE WAY IT SHOULD BE.
UM, MS. SEBASTIAN, UH, THE, UH, I ALSO WANT TO ASK ABOUT THE LIMITED SEASONAL FEATURE OF THIS PROPOSED ORDINANCE THAT YOU'VE PUT TOGETHER.
IS THAT INTENDED TO BE A PERMANENT STATUS OR JUST A, A ONE-TIME THING? UH, IT'S REALLY UP TO THE COMMISSION'S DIRECTION.
SO, UM, THAT COULD BE SOMETHING THAT THEY REGISTER FOR AND CAN DO, UM, EVERY YEAR OR, YOU KNOW, EVERY TWO FIVE YEARS THAT IF THAT'S OPEN, IF THAT'S A DIRECTION Y'ALL ARE INTERESTED IN, UM, IT ALSO COULD BE A ONE-TIME THING.
UM, BUT THAT IT WAS WRITTEN AS AN ANNUAL OPTION EVERY YEAR.
BUT, UM, WE'RE OPEN TO DIRECTION ON WHAT THE COMMISSION FEELS IS APPROPRIATE.
WELL, WHICH LEADS TO MY NEXT QUESTION.
UNDER YOUR PROPOSAL, WOULD THE SEASONAL STR OPTION REQUIRE REGISTRATION? IT WOULD, WOULD IT REQUIRE SPECIFIC USE PERMIT? IT WOULD NOT.
WOULD IT REQUIRE, UM, RESIDENT MANAGEMENT? UH, NO, NOT NECESSARILY.
IT COULD BE VACATION RENTAL OR, UH, LIVE-IN MANAGEMENT.
NOW I'M GATHERING THAT THE PURPOSE FOR RESIDENT MANAGEMENT FOR THE ONE ROOM AND THE TWO TO FIVE ROOM OPTIONS WOULD BE THAT THE, THE PRESENCE OF A RESIDENT MANAGER WOULD TEND TO DISCOURAGE THE BAD ACTORS FROM ACTING BADLY.
ESSENTIALLY, ONE OF THE TASK FORCE RECOMMENDATIONS WAS THAT LIVE-IN MANAGEMENT MAY MEAN THAT THESE, THESE TYPES OF STRS COULD BE REGULATED DIFFERENTLY.
AND I'M ASSUMING ALSO, OR THAT, UH, THE REQUIREMENT WITH, WITH, FOR THE TWO TO FIVE ROOM GROUP FOR SPECIFIC USE PERMIT IS SO THAT THE APPLICATION CAN BE EXAMINED WITH RESPECT TO THINGS LIKE ITS EFFECT ON THE NEIGHBORHOOD FABRIC, UM,
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DENSITY NUMBER OF ST IN THE AREA AND SO FORTH, AGAIN, WITH A VIEW TO PROTECTING THE NEIGHBORHOOD.IS THAT CORRECT? WHEN AN SUP IS CONSIDERED, WE COULD, WE COULD LOOK AT ALL THOSE THINGS.
SO IF YOU'RE PROPOSING A SEASONAL USE THAT DOES NOT REQUIRE RESIDENT MANAGEMENT AND DOES NOT REQUIRE SPECIFIC USE PERMIT, HAVE YOU NOT JUST THROWN AWAY THE PROTECTIONS THAT APPLY TO THE OTHER GROUPS? WHAT IS THAT? WHAT IS TO PREVENT THAT FROM BECOMING KIND OF AN OPEN SEASON FOR PARTY HOUSES OR OTHER BAD CONSEQUENCES? I THINK THE IDEA OF THE LIMITED SEASONAL IS THAT WITH THE OWNER OR RESIDENT AT THE HOUSE THE REST OF THE YEAR, THEY, THEY CREATE THOSE RELATIONSHIPS WITH THEIR NEIGHBORS.
THEY HAVE THAT COMMUNITY FABRIC AND THEREFORE, UM, THE, THEY'RE LESS LIKELY TO HAVE BAD ACTORS AT THOSE SITES.
BUT IT'S UP TO THE COMMISSION.
I JUST WANT TO ADD, IF ANYBODY EVER ASKED ME MY AGE, I'M, I USUALLY SAY I'M A JUNIOR SENIOR CITIZEN AND I PLAN TO STAY THAT WAY.
A JUNIOR, SENIOR CITIZEN, I WOULD GO TRADEMARK THAT TERM PERSONALLY.
LET'S, LET'S FOCUS A LITTLE BIT HERE AND, UH, COMMISSIONER TONG, UH, YOU'RE NEXT.
AND I THINK THANKS CHAIRMAN QUESTIONS, UH, ARE GOOD IN PARTICULAR AS THEY RELATE TO THESE FOUR ITEMS. SO I APPRECIATE MR. BERNOFF, YOU'RE FOCUSING IN ON THE SEASONAL, UH, DEAL.
UM, I'M GONNA FOCUS ON THESE FOUR QUESTIONS.
DOES THE PROPOSAL METER SPUR INTENT OF THE
I MEAN, YOUR QUESTIONS ARE FINE, BUT I WOULD SAY OH, OKAY.
AND THE REGISTRATION PROCESS AND STUFF IS SOMETHING WHAT'LL BE COUNCIL'S, UH, ROLE SO TO SPEAK, VERSUS OURS.
SO WE'RE REALLY TRYING TO CRAFT SOMETHING THAT COUNCIL THEN CAN USE TO CREATE A REGULATION, UH, OR A REGISTRATION PROCESS, ET CETERA.
I HOPE THIS SOMETHING THAT'S ACTUALLY PERTAIN TO THIS FIRM.
UH, WILL THE GRANDFATHER PROPERTIES STILL NEED TO REGISTER? YES, THAT IS THE INTENTION THAT THE GRANDFATHER PROPERTIES WOULD CON WOULD NEED TO REGISTER.
THE SECOND QUESTION IS, UM, THE TWO TO FIVE ROOM, UH, CURRENTLY CALLED THE BACK BED BREAKFAST CATEGORY OR TYPE, IS IT THE SOP WHEN THEY NEED TO, WHEN THEY WANT TO DO THAT, THEY HAVE TO APPLY FOR SOP, IS THAT CORRECT? IF THEY'RE IN A LOCATION, UM, WHERE NOT IN THE HOTEL ZONE, YEAH, LIKE IN LIKE A RESIDENTIAL, UM, NEIGHBORHOOD, THEY WOULD APPLY FOR A RECIPE.
BUT IS THAT EVERY TIME THERE'S A RESERVATION OR IS IT LONG TERM? IT WOULD BE JUST ONCE AND THEN IF IT'S GRANTED IT WOULD APPLY.
UM, AS LONG AS THEY CONTINUE THE TO OPERATE AND THEY DON'T ABANDON FOR SIX MONTHS OR SOMETHING.
SO IF A FAMILY HAS LIKE FOUR BEDROOMS THERE, THEY, THE PER, THE OWNER LIVES IN ONE BEDROOM AND ONE DAY THEY WANT TO LEAVE ONE ROOM, SORRY, THEY WANNA RENT ONE ROOM OUT FOR MAYBE A COUPLE MONTHS, AND THEN THE NEXT TIME THEY GOT A RESERVATION FOR A FAMILY WITH THREE KIDS, THEY NEED THREE ROOMS. DO THEY NEED TO APPLY FOR SOP FOR THAT ONE INSTANCE OR THEY HAVE TO APPLY FOR SUP FOR THE ENTIRE LIFETIME OF THE PROPERTY? OH, THEY WOULD APPLY FOR THE SUP FOR HOWEVER MANY NUMBER OF ROOMS THEY HAVE AVAILABLE TO RENT.
UM, AND THEN THAT WOULD BE, THAT WOULD APPLY, UH, ESSENTIALLY FOREVER UNTIL THEY MIGHT RESCIND THAT.
SEP, AND I APOLOGIZE, I, I SPOKE, I MISSPOKE EARLIER.
UM, THE SIX MONTH NONCONFORMITY WOULD NOT APPLY IF THEY HAVE AN SEP.
THE SEP LIVES WITH THE LAND UNTIL IT'S RESCINDED.
AND THE SOP IS PER ROOM? NO, IT WOULD BE PER PROPERTY.
AND LIKELY I WOULD EXPECT THAT WHEN THEY APPLY, THEY SAY, THIS IS THE NUMBER OF ROOMS THAT I AM INTERESTED IN OPERATING, AND WE WOULD, WE WOULD KNOW THAT AT THE TIME, UM, S CAN HAVE RESTRICTIONS IN THEM, SO YOU COULD RESTRICT THEM TO THE NUMBER OF ROOMS THAT THEY'RE APPLYING FOR AT THAT TIME.
UM, AND THEN THAT WOULD BE THE NUMBER OF ROOMS, UM, FOR FOREVER, FOR EVERY, EVERY, UM, RENTAL THAT THEY HAVE.
AND THE REASON WHY WE'RE REQUIRING, UM, SOP ON THE TWO TO FIVE ROOMS VERSUS THE ONE ROOM,
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IS IT ASSUMING THAT THE TWO TO FIVE ROOMS WOULD BE COMING FROM DIFFERENT FAMILIES OR IS THAT THE SAME? IF IT'S FROM THE SAME FAMILY, IT STILL REQUIRES SOP EVEN IF IT IS THE SAME FAMILY, IF THE NUMBER OF INDIVIDUAL CONTRACTS THAT ARE MADE FOR EACH EACH ROOM IS, IS TWO OR FIVE, TWO TO FIVE, UM, THEN IT WOULD BE, IT WOULD BE A BED AND BREAKFAST, ONE ROOM, UM, SORRY, BED AND BREAKFAST TWO TO FIVE, AND THE, UM, THEY MIGHT BE THE SAME FAMILY, BUT THEY MIGHT BE, UM, TWO TO FIVE DIFFERENT FAMILIES, DIFFERENT, UM, PEOPLE LIVING ON SITE.AND THE REASON WHY WE'RE REQUIRING SAP IS BECAUSE WE THINK THE TWO TO FIVE ROOMS COULD BE RENTING TO DIFFERENT FAMILIES THAT THAT COULD, UH, IMPOSE INSECURITY TO THE, TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD THAT IT COULD HAVE MORE OF AN IMPACT TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
UM, ANOTHER QUESTION IS THAT DO WE ACTUALLY CONSIDER, OR HAVE WE CONSIDERED A RULE FOR A PERCENTAGE OF ALLOWANCE OVER THE ENTIRE CITY FOR SHORT TERM RENTAL? BECAUSE I'VE HEARD OTHER NEIGHBORHOODS LIKE HOAS MAY HAVE THAT FOR RENTAL PROPERTIES OR CITIES, THEY MAY HAVE PERCENTAGES LIKE, WE ONLY ALLOW 10% OR ALLOW 15% OF OUR PROPERTIES TO BE, UH, USED FOR RENTAL OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
HAVE WE CONSIDERED THAT OR IS DID THE TASK FORCE HAS ANY CONVERSATIONS REGARDING THAT KIND OF A RESTRICTION? SO ONE OF THE TASK FORCE RECOMMENDATIONS WAS TO LIMIT THE MAXIMUM DENSITY OF NEW SHORT-TERM RENTALS IN A SPECIFIED AREA AS A TOOL TO REFINE ZONING.
SO, UM, WHERE WE CURRENTLY PROPOSE TO IMPLEMENT THAT IS AT THE TIME OF THE SPECIFIC USE PERMIT, WE WOULD DO AN ANALYSIS OF OTHER SHORT-TERM RENTALS IN THE AREA, UM, AND PROVIDE THAT INFORMATION TO YOU.
SO THE, THE PROPOSAL DOES NOT HAVE A SPECIFIC THRESHOLD THAT, UM, IS BEING TARGETED, BUT JUST THAT, THAT INFORMATION WOULD BE AVAILABLE FOR WHEN THOSE S COME IN.
SO IF SOMEONE IS APPLYING FOR AN SOP, THAT'LL GIVE US A CHANCE TO EVALUATE WHETHER THERE ARE TOO MANY SOS ALREADY IN THIS AREA.
THEN WE CAN DECIDE WHETHER WE WILL APPLY A THRESHOLD TO IT OR NOT.
IS THAT WHERE THE INTENT IS, ESSENTIALLY THAT, THAT'S RIGHT.
I STILL THINK THE, EVEN THE SINGLE ROOM BED AND BREAKFAST AND THE TWO TO FIVE, UH, FAMILY BED AND BREAKFAST SHOULD HAVE THE SAME RULE FOR THAT.
I, BUT I DON'T KNOW WHETHER IT IT NEEDS AN SOP OR NOT, BUT IF WE ARE GOING TO USE THAT AS A THRESHOLD TO CONTROL THE PERCENTAGE OR THE DENSITY OF THE SORT, UH, SRT, I THINK THE, UM, SINGLE ROOM RENTAL SHOULD HAVE THE SAME, UH, TREATMENT AS THE OTHER.
UM, NEXT QUESTION I HAVE IS THE, THE NAMES I CAN, I'M NOT SAYING THAT I'M SUPPORTING EITHER SIDE, BUT I DO AGREE THAT THE NAMES OF BED AND BREAKFAST OR VACATION HOMES ARE NOT VERY, UM, UH, ACCURATE TO PRESCRIBE OR SUBSCRIBE.
UM, THE WORD
I THINK THE SHORT TERM RENTALS, I, UH, WHAT YOU HAVE EARLIER, LIKE A LIVING LIVING IN MANAGEMENT VERSUS NOT LIVING IN, OR, UM, MAYBE, UH, COMMISSIONER RUNOFF MENTIONED SOMETHING LIKE A, A RESIDENT, UH, MANAGEMENT, UM, RENTAL VERSUS BED.
BED AND BREAKFAST, I THINK, UM, IS BED AND BREAKFAST IS REALLY NOT A GOOD TERM, IN MY OPINION.
AND ALSO VACATION RENTALS IS NOT A, A GOOD WORD EITHER.
I DON'T REALLY CONSIDER, OUR CITY OF PLANO IS A VACATION TOWN.
YOU KNOW, WE DON'T HAVE LIKE A, UM, AT AND T CENTER OR SOMETHING.
WE, WE REALLY HAVE EXCELLENT HOSPITALS.
WE HAVE, YOU KNOW, UM, GREAT EMPLOYMENT CENTERS.
WE HAVE, YOU KNOW, BIG COMPANIES MOVING IN, BUT WE'RE NOT REALLY A VACATION TOWN, UH, IN MY OPINION.
BUT I DO, UH, APPRECIATE THAT A LOT OF PEOPLE COME IN HERE.
UM, TO SAY THAT WE ARE A CITY OF EXCELLENCE.
WE WANT TO KEEP OUR NEIGHBORHOOD TIGHT AND WE WANNA KEEP OUR NEIGHBORHOOD SAFE.
UM, I DO AGREE THAT HAVING A S UH, STR IN A HOUSE, UH, TURNS A HOME INTO A SORT OF A TRANSIENT HOTEL TYPE OF BUSINESS.
SO IT DOES CHANGE A LITTLE BIT, IN MY OPINION.
IT DOES CHANGE A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE USE,
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THE BASIC USE AND THE UNDERLYING ZONING ON THE PROPERTY.UM, HOWEVER, HOW WILL THAT INTERACT WITH, UM, THE, THE RISE OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT? WE WILL, WE'LL LEAVE IT UP TO, UM, GOOD DISCUSSION.
UM, ONE MORE QUESTION I HAVE IS ABOUT PARKING.
'CAUSE I HAVE, I CAN SEE A LOT OF THE, UH, SHORT TERM RENTAL BUSINESS CAN HAVE A LOT OF CARS IN, UH, FRONT OF THE HOUSE THAT MAY IMPACT THE SAFETY, THE TRAFFIC, AND THEY MAY BLOCK VIEWS FOR OTHER PEOPLE OR KIDS, UM, THAT COULD IMPACT THE, UM, THE FABRIC OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
SO DO WE HAVE ANY DISCUSSIONS OR COMING FROM OUR, UM, STAFF RECOMMENDATIONS THAT'LL HAVE ANY RESTRICTIONS ON PARKING AT THIS TIME? BECAUSE PARKING IS SUCH, IT'S A CITYWIDE ISSUE.
AND ANY STANDARDS THAT WOULD APPLY TO A SHORT-TERM RENTAL, WE WOULD APPLY TO ANY RESIDENCE CITYWIDE.
SO WE WANT TO TAKE THE TIME TO DO AN ANALYSIS OF, OF HOW THIS WOULD AFFECT THE, THE PARKING STANDARDS THROUGHOUT THE CITY.
SO, UM, IT WOULD ALSO BE A MULTI-DEPARTMENTAL ANALYSIS, UM, WITH NEIGHBORHOOD SERVICES, WITH ENGINEERING, UH, WITH OUR POLICE DEPARTMENT.
AND SO IT IS SOMETHING THAT THE TASK FORCE RECOMMENDED TO ANALYZE PARKING, UH, BUT AS A, AS A SEPARATE PROJECT SO THAT WE CAN, UM, GET SOME STANDARDS IN PLACE BEFORE THE INTERIM BAN EXPIRES AND THEN WORK ON THE PARKING STUDY.
UM, TO ECHO A COUPLE OF THINGS, UH, NAMING MATTERS, UM, I'LL THROW OUT, THROW ON OUR RESIDENT MANAGEMENT ONE, RESIDENT MANAGEMENT, TWO TO FIVE OFFSITE MANAGEMENT COULD POSSIBLY, I THINK, GET TO THE HEART OF WHAT WE ARE TRYING TO SIGNIFY WITHOUT SKEWING ONE WAY OR THE OTHER.
ON THE GRANDFATHERING, UM, THRESHOLD WOULD BE, UH, SHUT TERM RENTALS CORRECTLY IN EXISTENCE TO, THEY HAVE TO BE IN EXISTENCE FOR A PARTICULAR PERIOD OF TIME.
UH, YOU KNOW, YOU'VE, YOU'VE RENTED OUT FIVE YEARS PRIOR, SO YOU'RE GRANDFATHERED IN OR YOU HAVE TO HAVE BEEN ACTIVE WITHIN A PERIOD OF TIME.
WHAT ARE WE THINKING? SO IT WAS AT THE TIME THAT THE INTERIM BAN WAS ADOPTED BACK IN MAY, SO MAY 15TH, 2023.
IF THEY WERE EXISTING WITH A, YOU KNOW, LISTING OR IF THEY HAD, UM, INVESTMENT BACKED EXPECTATIONS THAT THEY WERE STARTING TO OPEN.
THEY, THEY'VE BEEN MAKING EFFORTS TO OPEN AS A SHORT-TERM RENTAL.
UM, THEY WOULD ALSO QUALIFY UNDER THE GRANDFATHERING.
AND THOSE EXPECTATIONS WOULD HAVE BEEN SIGNALED BY THEIR USE OF A PORTAL OF SOME KIND, AIRBNB VERBAL.
HOW DO WE CAPTURE EXPECTATIONS THAT FEELS, UM, DEANDRA MAY BE ABLE TO GIVE A LITTLE BIT MORE INSIGHT? SURE.
SO THERE'S A PROCESS THAT, UM, IS SET UP IN THE ORDINANCE NOW WHERE, UM, FIRST STAFF CAN GIVE KIND OF A PRELIMINARY, UM, JUDGMENT BASED ON THE DATA THAT THEY'VE BEEN ACQUIRING FROM THE PRIVATE CONSULTANT.
AND THEN, UM, IF THE PROPERTY OWNER DISAGREES WITH THAT ANALYSIS, THEY CAN, UM, APPEAL IT UP THROUGH THE, UM, THE DIRECTOR OF PLANNING AND, UM, THEY CAN PRODUCE WHATEVER EVIDENCE THEY HAVE THAT SIGNALS INTENT.
UM, OTHER QUESTION, I THOUGHT I UNDERSTOOD THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN WHAT I START CALLING RESIDENT MANAGEMENT ONE VERSUS RESIDENT MANAGEMENT TWO TO FIVE, BUT I'M NOW CONFUSED.
UM, IS THE DESIGNATION, HOW MANY ROOMS ARE AVAILABLE IN THE HOME? OR ARE I LISTING, SO I HAVE A FIVE BEDROOM HOME, RIGHT? AM I AUTOMATICALLY TWO TO FIVE IF I RENT TO ONE FAMILY WHO TAKES ALL OF THE TWO TO FIVE BEDROOMS? OR DO I HAVE TO HAVE TWO TO FIVE SEPARATE CONTRACTS? MEANING THERE ARE TWO TO FIVE SEPARATE FAMILIES COMING IN AT THE SAME TIME? UM, WHAT'S THE DESIGNATION TRIGGER? SO THE WAY WE WROTE IT WAS, UM, HAVING, UH, ONE SINGLE ROOM AVAILABLE BY SEPARATE CONTRACT, OR TWO TO FIVE SINGLE ROOMS AVAILABLE BY SEPARATE CONTRACT.
SO IF THEY HAVE FIVE ROOMS AVAILABLE, UN A SI UNDER SINGLE CONTRACT ONLY, UM, THAT MIGHT ACTUALLY BE SOMETHING THAT WE SHOULD CLARIFY IN OUR STANDARDS, PERHAPS.
UM, I THINK THE IDEA IS THAT I THINK THEY, THEY WOULD LIKELY FALL UNDER THE FIVE JUST BECAUSE OF THIS, THE IMPACT OF HAVING THAT MANY PEOPLE STAY AT THE HOUSE, UM, EVEN THOUGH IT IS ONE FAMILY.
BUT BE INTERESTED TO HEAR IF YOU YEAH, I,
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I THINK I WOULD MAYBE USE A, AND I DUNNO HOW WE'LL WORK THIS IN, UM, SOME KIND OF, WE HAVE OCCUPANCY CODES ON THE BOOKS FOR RESIDENTS, RIGHT.MAYBE USE THAT TO ENFORCE, RIGHT.
YOU KNOW, NO MORE THAN 30 PEOPLE CAN BE UNDER A ROOF.
I DON'T CARE HOW MANY ROOMS YOU HAVE OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
RIGHT? BUT THE TWO TO FIVE IS, FEELS A LITTLE BIT WONKY.
UM, WHICH LEADS TO MY, THERE'S THIS DIFFERENT DESIGNATION FOR A SIX BEDROOM HOUSEHOLD, UM, WHICH IS CLASSIFIED AS A MOTEL OR HOTEL STANDARDS.
AM I, DID I READ THAT RIGHT? SO IF THEY, IF THEY HAVE, YES, IF THEY HAVE SIX INDIVIDUAL ROOMS AVAILABLE UNDER SEPARATE CONTRACT, THEN UM, THEY WOULD NOT BE ALLOWED IN AT A TYPICAL RESIDENCE.
AND THEY SHOULD BE, THEY SHOULD MEET THE STANDARDS FOR THE HOTEL.
SO THE LANGUAGE THAT WILL, I WOULD NEED SOME CLARIFICATION ON IS THAT SEPARATE CONTRACTS.
UM, MY FAMILY WAS IN TOWN FOR MY MOM'S 78 AND WE RENTED A SIX BEDROOM HOUSE.
IS THAT SEPARATE CONTRACTS? YOU, YOU, YOU UNDERSTAND WHERE I'M LEADING WITH THIS ONE CONTRACT? IT'S THAT, THAT'S ONE CONTRACT.
UM, SO A SIX BEDROOM ON ONE CONTRACT WOULD NOT BE CLASSIFIED AS A MOTEL? THAT'S THAT'S RIGHT.
IF I MEAN, YES, THAT'S THE, UH, THE, THE SPIRIT OF IT.
UM, THE RIGHTS ARE GONNA BE ATTACHED TO THE LOT THE BACK YET COTTAGE, IS IT CONSIDERED ONE ROOM? RIGHT.
SO IF I HAVE A, AGAIN, GOING BACK TO THE WHOLE ROOM THING, I HAVE THE MAIN HOME IS A FOUR FIVE BEDROOM.
MY BACK AT COTTAGE, I DUNNO IF THEY EXIST, HAS TWO BEDROOMS. VOILA.
IS THAT A SIX BEDROOM LOT? SO IF IT'S RENTED AS A, AS A SINGLE RENTAL, SINGLE, SINGLE CONTRACT, THEN IT WOULD BE CONSIDERED ONE ROOM.
I THINK WE'RE, SO WE, WE PROBABLY NEED TO REDEFINE SOMETHING A LITTLE BIT.
RIGHT? GO TO B, B TWO TO FIVE.
AND I'M USING THOSE TERMS, BUT I HAPPEN TO AGREE WITH THEM THAT WE NEED TO WORK ON OUR TERMINOLOGY.
SO BB TWO TO FIVE, IF ON AIRBNB, VRVO, WHATEVER IT IS THEY'RE LISTING, THEY HAVE FIVE ROOMS AVAILABLE, THEN THEY'RE IN THE TWO TO FIVE RANGE, RIGHT? IF THEY LIVE ON SITE AND THEY SAY YOU CAN RENT TWO TO FIVE OF OUR ROOMS, YOU CAN RENT ANYWHERE BETWEEN TWO AND FIVE.
THAT WOULD STILL BE ONE CONTRACT, EVEN IF SOMEBODY TOOK ALL FIVE ROOMS, RIGHT? THAT'S ONE CONTRACT BECAUSE ONE GROUP TOOK ALL THE ROOMS. BUT IF THEY HAD SOMEONE COME IN THAT RENTED TWO OF THE ROOMS AND THEN ANOTHER FAMILY CAME IN AND RENTED THREE OF THEM, NOW YOU HAVE TWO CONTRACTS, RIGHT? MM-HMM.
SO IS THE DEFINITION BASED ON THE NUMBER OF ROOMS OR THE NUMBER OF CONTRACTS ARE AVAILABLE BY THE OWNER OF THE SDR? SO THE WAY IT IS WORDED RIGHT NOW, IT'S, IT'S THE NUMBER OF INDIVIDUAL ROOMS AVAILABLE BY SEPARATE CONTRACT.
SO I, I THINK BY SEPARATE CONTRACT, MM-HMM,
SO IF THEY HAVE A FIVE BEDROOM HOUSE AND THEY HAVE MAKE TWO ROOMS AVAILABLE AND THREE ROOMS AVAILABLE, AND THOSE ARE THE POSTINGS, YOU CAN RENT TWO ROOMS AND YOU CAN RENT THREE, YOU CAN RENT ONLY ONE, BUT YOU'RE GONNA PAY FOR BOTH ROOMS, SO TO SPEAK.
THAT'S A TWO CONTRACT SITUATION.
EVEN THOUGH IT'S A FIVE BEDROOM HOUSE, IT'S TWO UNDER THE OUR DEFINITION TERMS. YES.
AND I, I, I THINK, AND WE CAN DISCUSS FURTHER, UM, IN INTERNALLY, UM, BUT I THINK THAT THERE MAY BE SOME OPPORTUNITIES TO REFINE THIS A LITTLE BIT TO ADJUST THE, TO CLARIFY THE EXPECTATION IN THOSE SCENARIOS.
I DON'T KNOW IF, UM, AGAIN, I THINK IT GETS BACK TO TERMINOLOGY CONTINUE, MR. ALI.
UM, DO WE OR DO WE NOT HAVE FOR RESIDENCES, UM, PARKING CODES? UH, YOU KNOW, IS THERE A MAXIMUM AMOUNT OF CARS OR VEHICLES I'M ALLOWED ON MY LOT WRITTEN TO OUR ORDINANCE? I DON'T THINK I SAW THAT.
DO WE HAVE LANGUAGE SPECIFIC TO PARKING FOR, UM, RESIDENTIAL DISTRICTS WITHIN OUR ORDINANCE CURRENTLY? SO RESIDENCE RESIDENCES IN PLANO ARE REQUIRED TO HAVE A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF OFF STREET PARKING, UM, ON THEIR LOT.
AND, BUT IT'S A MINIMUM NOT, NOT A MAXIMUM.
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OH.AND THEN THE ON STREET PARKING IS, IS JUST IF IT, IF IT IS AVAILABLE, IT'S AVAILABLE TO EVERYONE.
THERE'S NO, UM, RESTRICTION ON HOW MANY SPACES A HOME CAN USE.
MAYBE, UM, THOUGHT PROCESS BEHIND THE MINIMUM THRESHOLD.
UH, HOW DID WE ARRIVE AT THAT? AND I'M SORRY, WHICH, WHICH THE MINIMUM THRESHOLD FOR STAY, UH, LIKE THE TWO NIGHT MINIMUM.
SO, UH, ANOTHER RECOMMENDATION WAS THAT IT MAY BE APPROPRIATE, LEMME PULL IT UP HERE, UM, TO, TO, SO IT SAID, ACTUALLY REQUIRED THAT STR STAYS MUST BE FOR A MINIMUM NUMBER OF NIGHTS.
IT DOES SAY IN CERTAIN AREAS OR DISTRICTS AS A TOOL TO REFINE ZONING.
SO, UM, IT WAS PROPOSED BY STAFF AS A TWO NIGHT MINIMUM JUST ACROSS THE BOARD.
'CAUSE THERE SEEMED TO BE, UM, SOME CONSENSUS THAT THAT MIGHT HELP WITH SOME OF THESE PARTY HOUSE TYPE RENTALS.
UM, AND THEN THE, THE REASON WE'RE ASKING ON UNLIMITED SEASONAL IS THAT SEEMED LIKE THAT COULD BE AN OPPORTUNITY TO, UM, REFINE THE ZONING MORE IN THAT SITUATION, BUT THERE MAY BE OTHERS AS WELL.
UM, SO YOU'RE ASKING FOR FEEDBACK.
SO THE FIRST THING I WANNA DO IS TALK ABOUT SOME OF THE THINGS THAT SOME PEOPLE HAVE SAID HERE THAT I'M IN SUPPORT OF.
UM, I THINK WE'RE TALKING ABOUT RELOOKING AT THESE NAMES, AND I, I THINK THAT'S, THAT'S WISE.
UM, I, I THINK THAT, UM, WHEN WE'RE LOOKING AT THE TWO TO FIVE, I PERSONALLY THINK THAT IN TERMS OF MANAGING IN THIS, IT NEEDS TO BE THE NUMBER OF ROOMS I HAVE TO RENT BECAUSE I PERSONALLY THINK IT'LL BE ALMOST IMPOSSIBLE TO MANAGE IT ANY OTHER WAY IN TERMS OF HOW MANY CONTRACTS ARE REALLY COMING THROUGH.
I DON'T, YOU KNOW, I THINK THE WHOLE ENFORCEMENT OF ALL OF THIS IS GONNA BE A CHALLENGE FOR, FOR OUR CITY, BUT I THINK THE MORE SIMPLE YOU MAKE IT, AND SO IF, AND, AND OH BY THE WAY, BECAUSE I HAVE TO APPLY FOR AN SUP FOR THIS, UM, I THINK IT BECOMES CHALLENGING.
THE SUPI APPLY FOR DEPENDING ON WHAT I'M DOING RIGHT NOW.
SO TO ME IT SEEMS TO BE LOGICAL THAT WE SAY IF YOU'RE GOING TO RENT OUT AT TIMES SOMEWHERE BETWEEN TWO AND FIVE ROOMS, THEN THAT'S WHAT YOU HAVE TWO TO FIVE ROOMS AND YOU NEED AN SUP.
UM, AGAIN, I THINK THE, THE, THE, UH, KNIGHTS NEED TO BE LOOKED AT.
WHY, AND MAYBE YOU JUST ADDRESSED THIS, BUT WHY DID WE STOP AT FIVE ROOMS FROM TWO TO FIVE? WHY WEREN'T MORE CONSIDERED OR WHY WEREN'T LESS CONSIDERED? WHY NOT FOUR? WHY SIX NINE, NOT SIX? WHY FIVE? SO THE, UH, CURRENT DEFINITION, UM, FOR BED AND BREAKFAST INN ALLOWS UP TO FIVE BEDROOMS AVAILABLE.
SO WE ALIGNED WITH, WITH THAT AND MADE THAT THE KIND OF STARTING POINT ON THE, ON THE HIGH END, UM, ON THE, THE ONE ROOM OR TWO ROOMS. AND THAT BEING THE DI DIVIDING LINE, THAT WAS A, A DEBATE THAT, UM, STAFF DISCUSSED AND FELT THAT ONE ROOM WAS LESS IMPACTFUL.
TWO, JUST STARTS TO, YOU COULD HAVE TWO DIFFERENT GROUPS OF PEOPLE STAYING AT THE HOUSE AND THE, IT MAY START TO CHANGE THE DYNAMIC MORE, BUT, UM, AGAIN, IT WAS, IT WAS SOMETHING THAT STAFF WENT BACK AND FORTH ON.
AND, AND SO IF SOMEONE HAS SIX ROOMS IN THEIR HOUSE, WHERE DO THEY FALL WITH ALL OF THIS THAT THEY WANNA RENT? WHAT, WHERE DO THEY FALL? SO IF THEY, UM, IF THEY'RE RENTING THEM INDIVIDUALLY, THEN THEY ARE NOT PERMITTED PERIOD TO DO, TO DO THAT.
IF THEY'RE, UM, IF THEY ARE RENTING AS A SINGLE HOME THAT MAY HAVE SIX ROOMS OR, OR MORE, UM, BUT THEY'RE, IT'S ALL ONE RENTAL, THEN THAT WOULD BE CONSIDERED A VACATION RENTAL.
I ALSO WANTED TO COMMENT ON SOMETHING COMMISSIONER TONG SAID, AND YOU KNOW, ONE OF THE THINGS IF YOU'RE LOOKING FOR FEEDBACK IS THERE'S NOT ANY GUIDANCE IN HERE IN TERMS OF DENSITY OF THESE, WHETHER IT'S BED AND BED AND BREAKFAST ONE OR WHATEVER IT IS.
AND, AND I, I THINK WE SHOULD TAKE A STRONG LOOK AT THAT IF, IF WE PASS ANY OF THIS.
UM, BUT IF WE DO, I THINK WE SHOULD TAKE A, A CLOSE LOOK AT THIS, UM, BECAUSE I JUST THINK IT'S GOOD MANAGEMENT FOR OUR CITY TO NOT BE INUNDATED WITH THESE IN CERTAIN AREAS.
AND I KNOW WE COULD DO THAT WITH THE TWO TO FIVE, BUT IF BNB AND B ONE PASSES, I THINK, I THINK THAT THAT NEEDS TO BE LOOKED AT AS WELL.
YOU KNOW, UM, IT'S, IT'S MY OPINION THAT THIS IS A REALLY CHALLENGING ISSUE PROBABLY FOR ALL THE CITIZENS AND, AND, UM, AND EVERYBODY UP HERE.
AND I DO THINK WE'RE TRYING TO SORT THROUGH IT IN A, IN A WISE MANNER.
AND I THINK WE'RE MOVING AHEAD AS A COMMUNITY, UM, BECAUSE I DO THINK IT'S CHALLENGING.
UM, YOU KNOW, I, I HAVE EMPATHY
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FOR THE PEOPLE WHO ARE SAYING THAT, HEY, THIS IS MY INCOME.UM, BUT ALL OF THOSE PEOPLE THAT ARE HERE NOW, THEY'RE ALL GRANDFATHERED IN.
AND SO, YOU KNOW, SO THEY'RE PROTECTED.
IT DOESN'T PROTECT MAYBE FUTURE PEOPLE.
BUT I THINK ONE OF THE THINGS WE'RE TRYING TO PROTECT AGAINST IS CORPORATIONS COMING IN AND COMPLETELY BUYING NEIGHBORHOODS AND TURNING THEM INTO A RENTAL.
AND BY THE WAY, THAT'S HAPPENING ANYWAY, WHERE THEY'RE ALL, THEY'RE CREATING RENTAL NEIGHBORHOODS.
SO I THINK, YOU KNOW, A LOT OF THE THINGS THAT WERE UNANTICIPATED FIVE YEARS AGO WE'RE NOW HAVING TO DEAL WITH.
UH, AND SO, YOU KNOW, ONE OF THE THINGS I THINK, AND SOMEBODY CAME IN HERE AND SAID IT IS WE NEED TO BE THOUGHTFUL AND NOT FEEL RUSHED.
AND SO ONE OF OUR DEADLINES IS THIS, THAT, THAT OUR ORDINANCE IS GOING TO EXPIRE.
AND I GUESS MY QUESTION'S PROBABLY FOR, FOR MIKE OR, OR MAYBE MICHELLE, IS HOW CHALLENGING WOULD IT BE IF, IF THE COMMISSION OR COUNCIL SAYS, HEY, WE NEED A LITTLE BIT MORE TIME TO EXTEND THIS ORDINANCE SOMEHOW, SO WE DON'T FEEL THE PRESSURE OF RUSHING.
I MEAN, IS THAT, IS THAT ONEROUS EXTENDING THE INTERIM BAN IS NOT ONEROUS FROM A PERSPECTIVE OF STAFF DRAFTING AN ORDINANCE AND PRESENTING IT? SO THAT COULD BE AN OPTION IF WE FEEL LIKE WE NEED A LITTLE MORE TIME.
MY ONLY COMMENT ON THAT IS I THINK WE HAVE A PRETTY CLEAR INSTRUCTION FROM COUNCIL TO, TO MOVE THIS ALONG AND SOME FROM MY SEAT HERE AND OUR SEAT, I THINK, YOU KNOW, IF NECESSARY WE COULD ASK COUNSEL FOR IF THEY HAVE ANY APPETITE FOR THAT.
BUT I'M HESITANT TO DO THAT WITHOUT GIVING IT AN EFFORT ON OUR SIDE TO TRY TO MEET THAT OBJECTIVE.
BUT I THINK YOU PROBABLY MIGHT ALSO AGREE IF WE'RE NOT THERE, IT'D BE WISE FOR US TO ASK FOR THAT.
I THINK YOU'D PROBABLY AGREE WITH THAT TOO.
IF WE STILL HAVE A LONG WAY TO GO.
BUT I THINK, UM, I, I DON'T WANNA SHORTCUT, THERE'S MORE QUESTIONS AND, AND DRAG THIS ON, BUT THE, THE, THE SHORT-TERM RENTAL TASK FORCE DID A LOT OF WORK.
AND THEN WITH STAFF'S HELP, I THINK THEY'VE GOT US FAIRLY CLOSE.
SOMEBODY MENTIONED, HEY, LET'S GET THIS RIGHT.
WELL,
WE DON'T WANNA, WHAT IS IT? LET PERFECTION GET IN THE WAY OF PROCE OF PROGRESS.
AND SO I THINK WE HAVE TO DO OUR JOB TO TRY TO GET IT TO THEM.
WHATEVER WE DO, THEY OBVIOUSLY HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO MODIFY.
AND SO I, I DON'T, LIKE YOU SAID, I, I DON'T APPRECIATE THE FACT THAT IT'S A SHORT WINDOW, BUT I THINK THAT A LOT OF THE HEAVY LIFTING'S BEEN DONE.
I'M JUST ASKING IN THE EVENT THAT EVEN IT'S A REASONABLE QUESTION.
YEAH, IF COUNCIL WANTS TO DO IT, IT, IT'S THERE.
'CAUSE I THINK THERE'S STILL A LOT OF ISSUES HERE.
YOU KNOW, AND ONE OF THE THINGS I KNOW IS THERE IS DEMAND FOR RENTAL, NOT JUST SHORT TERM RENTAL.
SO ONE OF THE QUESTIONS THAT'S, OR THINGS THAT'S BEEN CHALLENGED IS, HEY, I'M GONNA LOSE MY OPPORTUNITY FOR INCOME.
NOT NECESSARILY BECAUSE PLANO IS STILL A PLACE WHERE PEOPLE WANT TO RENT HOMES.
I LOOKED AT THE RENTALS THAT ARE AVAILABLE NOW.
THERE AREN'T A TON OF RENTALS WHEN YOU CONSIDER LONGER TERM RENTALS WHEN YOU CONSIDER THAT.
SO I THINK THAT'S AN INTERESTING THING.
AND IT DRIVES THE PRICES FOR RENTALS RIGHT NOW IS CRAZY SKY HIGH.
SO I GUESS I DON'T FEEL COMPELLED THAT WE'RE GONNA KEEP PEOPLE FROM, YOU KNOW, THEIR ECONOMIC NEEDS BY, BY WHAT WE DO HERE NECESSARILY, IS WHAT I'M SAYING.
I HAVE UM, TWO OTHER QUICK QUESTIONS.
UM, THE GRANDFATHERED ONE, IF WE GRANDFATHER THIS, AND I THINK EVERYBODY AGREES WITH REGISTRATION, IF WE GRANDFATHER ALL OF THESE, WELL THEY'RE ALREADY GRANDFATHERED, WILL THAT GO WITH THE PROPERTY AND IF SOMEBODY SELLS IT, WILL THE RIGHT TO CONTINUE TO USE IT AS AN STR DO? WILL THAT CONTINUE? I THINK THE ANSWER IS YES.
RIGHT? SO THEY HAVE THAT, RIGHT? SO WILL THESE GUYS MONETIZE THAT AND SELL IT? IT GOES WITH IT.
MY FINAL QUESTION'S SIMPLE, AND I THINK I KNOW THE ANSWER IN HERE IN, UM, IT'S UH, 8.2 ASSEMBLY HALL.
YOU STRIKE OUT POLITICAL AND RELIGIOUS ON THIS.
AND I THINK PROBABLY THE REASON IS BECAUSE YOU ARE GONNA SAY THAT CIVIC ALREADY IS CAPTURING THAT IS, OR IS THERE A DIFFERENT REASON? I WAS JUST CURIOUS WHY POLITICAL AND RELIGIOUS ARE STRUCK UNDER ASSEMBLY HALL.
YOU WANT TO TAKE THAT, MICHELLE? SO RELIGIOUS IS ALREADY ENCOMPASSED UNDER THE, THE, I DON'T KNOW EXACTLY OUR DEFINITION, BUT PLACES OF WORSHIP, RELIGIOUS FACILITY.
AND, UM, THE CIVIC AND, UM, JUST CIVIC AND THE POLITICAL OVERLAP.
SO YEAH, I JUST WANTED TO BE SURE.
HEY, WELL THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
I ACTUALLY JUST HAVE COMMENTS TO MAKE.
I DON'T HAVE QUESTIONS FOR STAFF, SO CAN WE FOCUS ON QUESTIONS? YES, THANK YOU.
I'LL KEEP, I'LL GET BACK TO YOU.
YOU'LL, YOU'LL HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY, I PROMISE MR. BRONSKI.
UM, SO FIRST OF ALL, I WANNA SAY THANK YOU FOR ALL THE WORK.
YOU GUYS DO A TREMENDOUS JOB AND
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I REALLY APPRECIATE IT.UH, I HAVE TO AGREE WITH, UH, MY FELLOW COMMISSIONERS ABOUT THE NAMING CONVENTION.
UM, IT DOES STRIKE ME AS SOMETHING THAT WE COULD PROBABLY DO A LITTLE BETTER ON.
UH, BED AND BREAKFAST DOES STRIKE AN IDEA IN, IN PEOPLE'S HEADS ABOUT WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE.
AND, UH, IT DOESN'T LOOK TO ME LIKE THAT'S WHAT THE INTENTION IS.
UH, AND ALTHOUGH I UNDERSTOOD THE DIRECTION THAT YOU CAME FROM FOR, UH, THE VACATION RENTALS, I THINK WHEN, UH, PEOPLE OUTSIDE OF THIS AREA LOOKS AT IT, THEY FIND IT DIFFERENT TERMINOLOGY AND I THINK WE COULD PROBABLY DO A LITTLE BETTER THERE.
UM, SO MY FIRST QUESTION WAS, IF THERE IS UNDER THE SEASONAL, SOMEBODY WHO'S, UH, GRANDFATHERED IN AND, UH, THEY ARE ONLY RENTING IT 30, 30 DAYS A YEAR, RIGHT? UH, UH, MAYBE THEY TRAVEL TO, YOU KNOW, KANSAS, UH, FOR CHRISTMAS AND THEY RENT THEIR HOME OUT, BUT THEY ONLY LIST IT IN DECEMBER, WILL THEY LOSE THEIR ABILITY TO RENT OR, UH, FOR THE SHORT TERM RENTAL IF THEY ONLY SHOW IT FOR THE MONTH BEFORE THEIR USING IT? THE QUESTION BECAUSE THEY, THEY WOULDN'T BE UP SHOWING IT FOR THOSE SIX MONTHS.
UM, AS LONG AS THEY CONTINUE TO KEEP UP THEIR REGISTRATION AND, UM, SHOW THAT INTENT THAT THEY CONTINUE TO, THEY WOULD LIKE TO CONTINUE TO DO IT FOR THAT 30 DAYS EACH YEAR, UM, THAT WOULD, THAT WOULD LIKELY QUALIFY THEM AS A CONFORMING SO THEY WOULDN'T ABANDON IT AFTER SIX MONTHS FOR THAT.
UM, YOU GOT, YOU HAD A LOT OF QUESTIONS, UH, A CONVERSATION ABOUT BEDROOMS AND IT STRUCK ME BECAUSE I THINK MOST OF US, AS WE'RE SITTING UP HERE AND WE'RE THINKING ABOUT BEDROOMS, UH, WE'RE THINKING ABOUT TRADITIONAL BEDROOMS, BUT I, I SPENT JUST A FEW MINUTES LOOKING THROUGH A COUPLE OF THE APPS THAT, UH, THERE ARE SOME PLACES THAT ARE SHOWING, UH, AS MANY AS FOUR OR FIVE BEDS PER ROOM.
AND WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT THE IMPACT OF THE NUMBER OF PEOPLE ON THE COMMUNITY, THAT CONCERNS ME, ESPECIALLY IF THEY'RE ABLE TO RENT OUT EACH ONE OF THOSE ROOMS. UH, I MEAN, YOU KNOW, BUNK BEDS, UH, DOUBLE BUNK BEDS, UH, AND THE NUMBERS GO 16 AND MORE PEOPLE.
UM, AND SO I, I'M NOT SURE THAT WE'RE THINKING ABOUT A BEDROOM AND WE'RE SEEING OUR MASTER BEDROOM OR MAYBE OUR KIDS' BEDROOM.
WE'RE NOT SEEING, UH, FOUR DOUBLE BEDS OR FOUR, UM, UH, FULL-SIZE BEDS, UH, PER ROOM.
AND SO THE LANGUAGE THAT IS AROUND THE CONTRACTS ON THAT, UH, WE STILL AREN'T NECESSARILY NOTING THAT SOME OF THESE ROOMS MAY BE LARGE ROOMS WITH A LOT OF EXTRA BEDS IN THEM.
UH, CURRENTLY IT DOES NOT TALK ABOUT THE NUMBER OF BEDROOMS IN THE ZONING PROPOSAL.
UM, AND THE OTHER QUESTION I HAD, UH, FOR, UM, MAYBE APARTMENTS THAT ARE RENTING OUT, UH, SHORT TERM RENTALS AND THEY EXCEED FIVE, UH, UNITS THAT ARE BEING RENTED, UH, IN A SHORT TERM CAPACITY, ARE THOSE THEN TURNING THE ENTIRE, IS THAT TURNED INTO A HOTEL OR HOW IS THAT HANDLED? SO IT'S, IT'S PER DWELLING UNIT ESSENTIALLY.
SO, UH, EACH INDIVIDUAL MULTI APARTMENT WOULD BE ABLE TO BE ITS OWN SHORT TERM RENTAL.
SO THE, THE BUILDING WOULD NOT BE LOOKED AT AS A WHOLE.
SO IT'S, YOU'RE NOT LOOKING AT THE ONE PROPERTY THAT IT'S SITTING ON, UH, IT'S ACTUALLY THE, THE UNITS THEMSELVES.
SO DOES THAT FIT IN OUR GRID THOUGH? BECAUSE I THINK THE ONLY ONE BEDROOM STYLE CLASSIFICATION WE HAVE IS FOR SOMEONE WHO LIVES THERE, RIGHT? OR WOULD IT BE CONSIDERED THE VACATION BECAUSE IT'S A SELF-CONTAINED UNIT WITH NO ONE ON SITE? I'M ACTUALLY TALKING ABOUT, UH, APARTMENTS THAT WANNA RENT.
BUT SHE'S TALKING ABOUT EACH UNIT
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WOULD BE CONSIDERED SEPARATELY.SO EACH, EACH APARTMENT UNIT COULD BE A, UM, BED AND BREAKFAST, ONE ROOM.
IT COULD BE A BED AND BREAKFAST, TWO TO FIVE ROOM.
IT COULD BE A VACATION RENTAL DEPENDING ON HOW, WHO, WHO LIVES ON SITE AND HOW THEY, HOW MANY ROOMS THEY, IF THEY RENT OUT THE FULL UNIT OR THE, SO IF, BUT MY QUESTION IS IF THERE'S SIX OR SEVEN UNITS THAT ARE ON ONE SINGLE PROPERTY, THOSE, EACH OF THOSE INDIVIDUAL UNITS COULD BE IT ITS OWN SHORT-TERM RENTAL.
SO IN THEORY YOU COULD HAVE THE, THE, ALL OF THOSE SIX UNITS OR HOWEVER MANY 10 UNITS OR YEAH.
UM, ALL BE SHORT TERM RENTALS.
UM, YOU KNOW, THE OTHER PART OF THIS IS THAT THE REGISTRATION WOULD REQUIRE THE OWNER TO, UM, BE AWARE OF, OF THIS.
AND SO WELL, THEY WOULD HAVE ON ONSITE PROPERTY MANAGEMENT IF IT WAS A APARTMENT COMPLEX APARTMENT.
PROBABLY THE, THE INTENT OF THE BED AND BREAKFAST IS THAT IT IS LIVE IN, UH, IN THE DWELLING UNIT.
SO THE ONSITE, UM, APARTMENT MANAGEMENT WOULD, WOULD NOT BE, WOULD NOT QUALIFY FOR THAT, EVEN THOUGH IT'S ON THE, ON THE SAME PROPERTY.
UM, WITH THE, THE EXPECTATION THAT THAT APARTMENT MANAGER IS, IS MANAGING THE, THE WHOLE APARTMENT COMPLEX, BUT THEY'RE NOT NECESSARILY MANAGING THE SHORT TERM RENTAL THAT'S HAPPENING IN EACH UNIT.
THEY COULD BE, BUT, OH, AND MY QUESTION WAS IS THEY WERE THAT THE OPERATION OF THE APARTMENTS, UH, THEY WANT SIX OR EIGHT OF THEM TO BE SHORT TERM RENTALS SO THAT, UH, PEOPLE COMING FROM OUTSIDE, UH, THE AREA SO THAT THEY CAN WORK OR WHAT HAVE YOU IN PLANO FOR PERIODS LESS THAN 29 DAYS.
TO ME, UH, THERE'S A LITTLE CONFUSION BETWEEN THE BACKYARD COTTAGE WHO, WHICH IS A SEPARATE BUT STILL IN CHARGE OF THE SAME PROPERTY WITH A PROPERTY MANAGER VERSUS AN APARTMENT COMPLEX THAT MAY HAVE SIX OR EIGHT WITH AN APARTMENT WITH A PROPERTY MANAGER ON THE APARTMENT AS WELL.
HOW DO YOU DIFFERENTIATE? YEAH, THAT'S EXACTLY MY QUESTION.
'CAUSE YOU, THEY'RE STILL ON THE SAME PARCEL OF PROPERTY, SO, YOU KNOW, IF THE COMMISSION WANTED TO CONSIDER THOSE DIFFERENTLY, WE, WE DEFINITELY COULD.
UM, I THINK THE, THE BACKYARD COTTAGE IS, IS JUST ONE, ONE LOT.
YOU KNOW, THERE'S, THERE'S TWO, TWO UNITS ON THE SITE.
THERE'S THE, THE MAIN HOME AND THE, THE BACKYARD COTTAGE.
WHEREAS AN APARTMENT COMPLEX COULD HAVE ANY NUMBER OF, OF RENTALS THAT THEY'D BE OPERATING.
UM, SO BE I, IT'S JUST A QUESTION FROM ME BECAUSE I, I HAPPEN TO THINK ABOUT THAT CONNECTION OF PROPERTY MANAGEMENT ONSITE ON THE SAME PARCEL, ON THE SAME PROPERTY, UH, AND HOW THAT, HOW THAT'S HANDLED BACK AND FORTH.
AND I, I'LL LEAVE THAT UP TO YOU GUYS TO FIGURE OUT, BUT I DO, I DO HAVE, UH, CONCERN, UH, ABOUT THE IMPACT TO COMMUNITY FABRIC THAT WE HAVE.
UH, THINKING A ONE BEDROOM IS A SINGLE BED VERSUS A ONE BED OR A, FOR EXAMPLE, A FOUR BEDROOM, UH, OR FIVE OR SIX BEDROOMS THAT LIST 11, 12 OR MORE BEDS, UH, THAT ARE IN THOSE UNITS.
THAT'S A SIGNIFICANT NUMBER OF PEOPLE COMING INTO SOME NEIGHBORHOODS.
AND THAT I DO BELIEVE THAT THAT COULD BE A SIGNIFICANT IMPACT TO THE FABRIC OF CERTAIN COMMUNITIES.
BUT THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR YOUR PATIENCE.
I, AGAIN, THANKS FOR ALL OF YOUR HARD WORK AND FOR TAKING ALL THE QUESTIONS.
SO LET, LET'S TAKE THE EXAMPLE THOUGH OF AN APARTMENT COMPLEX AND IT DOESN'T EVEN HAVE TO BE A 200 UNIT APARTMENT COMPLEX.
WHAT IF IT'S A SIX UNIT APARTMENT COMPLEX AND THE MANAGER LIVES ON SITE, RIGHT? AT WHAT POINT DOES IT SIMPLY BECOME A HOTEL? 'CAUSE A HOTEL HAS MANAGEMENT ON SITE WITH A WHOLE BUNCH OF ROOMS AND THEY'RE ALL PRIVATE WITH THEIR OWN BATHROOMS AND EVERYTHING ELSE.
SO THERE'S PROBABLY SOMEWHERE IN HERE A DEFINITION THAT COULD MANAGE THAT, THAT PROCESS.
LET'S KEEP MOVING AND, AND I'M PRETTY SOON, WE'RE, WE'RE ALMOST 10, UH, FROM A QUESTION STANDPOINT.
UM, WE'RE GONNA NEED TO START LOOKING AT THESE AND ADDRESSING THESE FOUR TOPICS PRETTY SOON.
'CAUSE I'M SURE STAFF'S TAKING GOOD NOTES.
WE'VE HAD SOME REALLY GOOD POINTS.
MR. IFF TWO REALLY QUICK, I PROMISE I'LL MAKE 'EM REALLY FAST.
UM, ON THE APARTMENT DEAL, IT, IT SEEMS LIKE RIGHT NOW WE'RE SAYING IF THEY'RE IN A DISTRICT ZONE FOR HOTELS, THAT COULD BE FAIRLY EASILY REMEDIED IF WE EXPANDED THAT TO MULTIFAMILY WITH NO MORE THAN A CERTAIN PERCENTAGE USED IS ST BUT THAT'S JUST A SUGGESTION.
BUT MY COMMENT, MY QUESTION REALLY IS ABOUT THE QUESTION ABOUT PARTY HOUSES.
THAT ONE OF THE REASONS THAT Y'ALL CHOSE THE TWO NIGHT MINIMUM WAS TO REDUCE THE OPTIONS FOR PARTY HOUSES.
WE KNOW WE'VE GOT, I CAN'T REMEMBER THE DATA RIGHT NOW, A DOZEN
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BAD PLAYERS OUT THERE.THAT IS ONE OF THE REASONS THAT'S DRIVING SOME OF THIS.
BASED ON THE DATA, DO WE KNOW IF ANY OF THE THOSE BAD ACTORS THAT WE HAVE IDENTIFIED ARE STR THAT HAVE ONSITE MANAGEMENT? UH, SO WE HAVE KIND OF, WE HAVE 15 THAT WE, UM, HAVE HAD, I'M SORRY, I I THINK IT'S THREE OR MORE CALLS FOR SERVICE.
UM, AND ALL OF THOSE WOULD, WOULD QUALIFY AS VACATION RENTALS.
THEY DO NOT HAVE LIVE-IN MANAGEMENT FOR THE DATA WE HAVE.
SO WE MANAGEMENT IS A SIGNIFICANT DETERRENT APPARENTLY BY THE DATA, WHICH TELLS ME THAT WE MIGHT CONSIDER A DIFFERENT MINIMUM STAY FOR ONSITE MANAGEMENT ONSITE FOR THE PROPERTIES THAT HAVE ON ONSITE MANAGEMENT IF WE HAVEN'T HAD A HISTORY OF ANY PROBLEMS. THANK YOU MR. ALI.
I'LL MAKE IT QUICK TO, UH, ONE CLARIFYING QUESTION BASED ON COMMISSIONER RATLIFF, UH, MULTIFAMILY HOUSING, AM I CORRECT TO ASSUME THAT THAT USUALLY IS DISTRICTED WHERE HOTELS ARE PERMITTED BY? RIGHT.
SO THERE ARE DEFINITELY SOME DISTRICTS WHERE, UM, HOTELS ARE PERMITTED BY RIGHT, AND MULTIFAMILY IS PERMITTED, BUT OUR TRADITIONAL MULTIFAMILY DISTRICTS, MF ONE, MF TWO, MF THREE DO NOT PERMIT HOTELS.
THINK I KNOW THE ANSWER, BUT I WANNA HAVE YOU SIT ON THE RECORD, UH, THOUGHT PROCESS BEHIND THE HERITAGE EXCEPTION.
AND I'M SORRY, COULD YOU REPEAT THAT? THE THOUGHT PROCESS BEHIND THE HERITAGE EXCEPTION? OH.
UM, AS WE WERE LOOKING AT THE, THE BED AND BREAKFAST, TWO TO FIVE ROOMS AS KIND OF THE TRADITIONAL BED AND BREAKFAST MODEL WAS NOTED THAT, UM, HERITAGE PROPERTIES ARE, MAY OFTEN BE USED AS BED AND BREAKFAST.
UM, THEY'RE NOT ALWAYS, UM, I DON'T KNOW THAT WE HAVE ANY RIGHT NOW.
UM, BUT THAT WAS, THAT WAS THE REASON.
WHETHER THAT IS APPROPRIATE UP TO COUNCIL, I THINK THAT'S FAIR.
I ACTUALLY WANTED TO BRING THAT UP JUST TO, IT SHOWS THE EXTENT OF RESEARCH YOU GUYS DID.
UM, HERITAGE IS PROBABLY ONE OF THE MANY REASONS WHY PEOPLE WILL VISIT PLANO AS A DESTINATION CITY.
SO APPRECIATE YOU CLARIFYING THAT FOR ME.
I DID COME UP WITH A QUICK QUESTION.
WHEN THINGS SEEM REALLY COMPLICATED, I TRY TO DUMB IT DOWN TO SIMPLICITY.
SO WHAT DOES THE WORD RESIDENTIAL MEAN? UM, WHERE PEOPLE LIVE.
UM, WHO WOULD BE NEXT? MR. BRONSKI WOULD BE NEXT.
I JUST HAD ONE OTHER THOUGHT IT JUST POPPED INTO MY HEAD AS I WAS LISTENING.
WE JUST RECENTLY, UM, APPROVED THE AGAPE HOUSE TO EXPAND HOUSE TO EXPAND AND THEY PROVIDE SERVICES THAT IN SOME CASES COULD BE VERY SHORT TERM, UH, BUT GENERALLY ARE LONGER TERM.
AND THEY'VE GOT FIVE AND SIX DWELLING UNITS ON A SINGLE PROPERTY.
UH, AND AS A MATTER OF FACT, TALKED ABOUT WANTING TO HAVE THE PROPERTY MANAGEMENT ON SITE.
WHAT IMPACT DO ORGANIZATIONS LIKE THAT WILL THEY HA WILL, WILL THESE DECISIONS HAVE ON THEM? SO AS A HOUSEHOLD CARE FACILITY, UM, THEY WOULD NOT, UM, THEY WOULD NOT BE CONSIDERED A SHORT-TERM RENTAL.
UM, SO THEY WOULD NOT BE IMPACTED BY THESE.
THAT, YEAH, I JUST HAPPEN TO THINK 'CAUSE I KNOW THEY DO RENT OUT THOSE UNITS AND I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT WE WERE COMING FULL CIRCLE CONSIDERING THAT.
MINE ARE, UH, AT YOUR DIRECTION HERE ON, ON WHERE WE'RE AT HERE.
SO MY COMMENTS ON THIS MM-HMM.
I GUESS THE MINIMUM NIGHTS SHOULD BE AT LEAST 30 NIGHTS IF WE'RE GONNA GO WITH SEASONAL.
I, I DON'T THINK THESE SHOULD BE CONSIDERED AS SHORT-TERM RENTALS PERIOD.
AND SO I THINK WE SHOULD MOVE THE SEASONAL VACATION, IF YOU WILL, COMPLETELY OUT OF THIS CATEGORY.
AND SO I, I THINK THAT A MINIMUM SHOULD BE AT LEAST 30 NIGHTS IF WE'RE GOING TO CONSIDER THAT.
AND, AND I WOULD SUGGEST THAT IT WOULD BE NO MORE THAN 90 NIGHTS IF IN BY THE THINGS THAT HAVE BEEN PRESENTED HERE.
UM, IF, IF WE APPROVE VACATION AT ALL.
AND, AND THE OTHER THING I, YOU KNOW, UH, COMMISSIONER TONG EARLIER WAS JUST TALKING ABOUT DENSITY.
AND I JUST WANNA COME BACK TO DENSITY AGAIN.
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NEEDS TO BE PUT THROUGH THE FILTER IN TERMS OF DOES THIS MEET THE SPIRIT OF WHAT WE'RE DOING AND, AND DOES IT MISS THE GOALS? AND IF WE'RE NOT CAREFUL, I THINK WE'LL MISS THE GOALS OF THE COMMUNITY.UM, AND, AND I THINK THAT ALL OF THIS NEEDS TO BE PUT THROUGH THAT FILTER AND REGARDLESS OF WHAT WE APPROVE, UM, AND SEND FORWARD TO COUNCIL, I, I THINK THERE NEEDS TO BE SOME DENSITY FILTER ON THIS SO THAT WE AREN'T SATURATED WITH, WITH, UM, SHORT TERM RENTALS.
BUT, UM, IF WE'RE, IF WE'RE EVEN GONNA CONSIDER VACATION, I THINK THE MINIMUM TIME THAT THAT SHOULD BE CONSIDERED IS, IS 30 NIGHTS.
YOU'VE BEEN, YOU'VE BEEN STANDING THERE FOR A WHILE.
DO WE HAVE A TALL STOOL? UH, I ACTUALLY HAVE A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS.
UM, AND CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, BUT AN HOA HAS THE POWER TO BAN SHORT TERM RENTALS.
IF THAT'S TRUE AND WE LOOK AT THE MAP THAT YOU PRESENTED TO US ON PAGE 1 0 8 AND IT SHOWS ALL THE SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL OR BASICALLY ANY PLACE WHERE, YOU KNOW, SOMETHING LIKE THAT, DOES THAT MAP EXCLUDE HOAS WHICH HAVE THE POWER SEPARATE FROM US TO BAN SHORT-TERM RENTALS? IT DOES NOT EXCLUDE THEM.
SO THE ACTUAL AREAS THAT SHORT-TERM RENTALS MIGHT BE AVAILABLE.
REALLY IT ISN'T ALL THAT GREEN AREA.
SO JUST SO THAT, JUST FROM THE STANDPOINT OF SOMEONE WHO DOESN'T WANT SHORT-TERM RENTALS AND YOU SEE THAT MAP AND YOU THINK ANYWHERE IN THE CITY THEY COULD SET UP ANYWHERE IN THESE GREEN AREAS? WELL THE TRUTH IS THAT'S NOT TRUE.
THOSE HOAS MAKE UP A GOOD PORTION OF THE RESIDENTIAL AREAS, PARTICULARLY ON THE WESTERN SIDE OF TOWN.
SO THEY HAVE POWER AND AUTHORITY BEYOND WHAT THE CITY HAS TO DO CERTAIN THINGS.
SO I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT THAT MAP WASN'T REFLECTING HOAS AND IT DOES NOT.
UM, THEY'VE ASKED A LOT OF, OH, OKAY.
UM, I'M A LITTLE CONCERNED, I JUST WANT TO CLARIFY THIS BECAUSE IF SOMEONE'S OPERATING A ONE BEDROOM, WE'RE NOT GONNA CALL IT A B AND B, WHATEVER WE'RE GONNA CALL IT.
RIGHT? AND AS WAS MENTIONED, AND AS I KNOW IS TRUE FROM IN MY NEIGHBORHOOD THIS HAPPENED, A FAMILY COMES TO STAY FOR MEDICAL REASONS AND THEY STAY THERE FOR SIX MONTHS WHILE THEY'RE GETTING TREATMENT FOR BURNS, A FAMILY MEMBER, WHATEVER IT MIGHT BE.
THAT PERSON WHO NORMALLY RENTS SHORTER TERM PERIODS BUT FOUND SOMEONE TO RENT THAT ROOM FOR SIX MONTHS, HAVE THEY NOW LOST THE ABILITY TO GO BACK TO DOING WHAT THEY DID BEFORE SIMPLY BECAUSE THEY DECIDED TO HELP A FAMILY IN NEED? I HAVE TROUBLES WITH THAT.
SO HOW DO WE RECTIFY THAT SITUATION? SO I THINK IT GOES BACK TO, UM, THEY'RE UM, BEING ABLE TO PROVE INTENT.
SO IF THEY'RE REGISTERED AS A SHORT-TERM RENTAL, THEY'RE STILL LISTING AS A SHORT-TERM RENTAL.
EVEN IF THEY'VE BLOCKED THAT TIME OFF AS UNAVAILABLE, BUT THEY'RE AVAILABLE AFTERWARDS, UM, THEN THEY WOULD, THEY, THEY WOULD LIKELY BE ABLE TO PRO PROVIDE DOCUMENTATION THAT THEY, THEY CONTIN OKAY.
THEIR INTENTION IS TO RENT IT.
IT'S JUST NOT, NOT AVAILABLE FOR RENT IF SOMEONE TRIED TO GO RENT IT.
SO I THINK THAT'S IMPORTANT FOR PARTICULARLY THOSE THAT ARE GRANDFATHERED TO KNOW SO THAT THEY UNDERSTAND, UNDERSTAND THAT SITUATION.
UM, CAN YOU TELL ME WHAT KIND OF BUSINESSES ARE ALLOWED OUT OF A SINGLE FAMILY HOME? SO WE BALLPARK JUST, WE ALLOW HOME OCCUPATIONS.
THERE ARE, UH, A NUMBER OF RESTRICTIONS ON THAT, UH, INCLUDING THE, UH, FLOOR AREA OF THE HOME THAT CAN BE USED.
UM, BUT THERE'S NO TRUE, UM, LIMITATION ON WHAT TYPES OF BUSINESSES THEY CAN BE.
UM, THERE ARE SOME RESTRICTIONS ON THE STORAGE OF THINGS OUTSIDE OR WORKING ON THINGS OUTSIDE.
UM, SO LIKE VEHICLE REPAIR WOULD BE PROBLEMATIC IN MOST CASES.
UM, BUT OFFICES, UM, PHYSICAL THERAPY OFFICE, UM, THOSE ARE THE KIND OF THE MAIN ONES I THINK THAT WE, WE MIGHT SEE AND HEAR ABOUT.
BUT I THINK THERE'S PLENTY OF OTHER, UM, YEAH.
SO THE IDEA THAT, YOU KNOW, SOMEONE'S RUNNING A BUSINESS AS AN AIRBNB OUT OF THEIR HOUSE, IT'S TOUGH TO SAY,
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YEAH, WELL WE'RE NOT GONNA ALLOW THAT, BUT WE'LL ALLOW THE NEIGHBOR NEXT TO 'EM WHO'S RUNNING A LAWN CARE SERVICE AND PARKS A TRUCK WITH A BIG TRAILER OUT FRONT ALL THE TIME.SO I, I STRUGGLE WITH THIS A LITTLE BIT.
NUMBER ONE, DOES THE PROPOSAL MEET THE SPIRIT INTENT OF THE LAND USE AND ZONING RECOMMENDATIONS PROVIDED BY THE SHORT TERM RENTAL TASK FORCE? NOW HERE'S WHAT I KNOW.
THE TASK FORCE WAS APPOINTED BY CITY COUNCIL AND I THINK A VERY, VERY WISE MOVE ON THEIR PART WAS TO CHOOSE FORMER MAYOR DYER TO LEAD THAT 'CAUSE I DON'T KNOW ANYONE THAT'S MORE CARING ABOUT THE CITY, BUT IS FANTASTIC AT LISTENING TO ALL TO SIDES OF AN ARGUMENT.
AND IT SOUNDS LIKE WHAT I'M SEEING HERE, I'VE HEARD FROM BOTH SIDES WE DON'T LIKE IT.
AND THAT TENDS TO MEAN THAT MAYBE WE'RE GETTING CLOSE TO WHERE WE'RE SUPPOSED TO BE BECAUSE YOU GUYS REPRESENT A PORTION OF THE CITY, MAYBE A LARGE PORTION OF THE CITY.
I'VE HEARD THE COMMENTS THAT IT WASN'T FAIR ON THE, ON THE TASK FORCE BECAUSE THERE WERE MORE PEOPLE OPPOSED TO SHORT-TERM RENTALS THAN IN FAVOR OF IT.
WRONGLY, RIGHTFULLY, WHATEVER IT IS.
THE MAJORITY, I'M NOT EVEN GONNA SAY 70%, BUT I'M GONNA SAY THE MAJORITY OF PEOPLE IN THIS CITY PROBABLY FEEL LIKE THEY, THEY'RE, THEY'RE HE UN HESITANT.
THEY'RE HESITANT, THEY'RE, THEY'RE UNCOMFORTABLE WITH THE IDEA OF SHORT-TERM RENTALS.
MAYBE THEN THEY CAN'T EVEN EXPLAIN WHY.
SO I DON'T REALLY TAKE ISSUE WITH THE FACT THAT THERE WAS IMBALANCE IN THE COMMITTEE BECAUSE IT'S A REPRESENTATION OF OUR CITY AS A WHOLE.
AND SO THAT'S, THAT'S HOW WE'RE GONNA APPROACH THIS.
SO FOR ME, DOES THE PROPOSAL MEET THE SPIRIT AND INTENT? I'M A, I'M THANKFUL TO THOSE THAT ARE OPPOSED TO SHORT-TERM RENTALS THAT WHAT CAME OUT OF THE COMMITTEE WAS AN ACCEPTANCE OF YES WE SHOULD GRANDFATHER THOSE THAT ARE ALREADY HERE.
YES, THERE COULD BE ROOM FOR ALLOWING THEM AND NOT EVERYBODY ON THE COMMITTEE AGREED WITH THIS, BUT THE MAJORITY ROOM FOR ALLOWING THEM IN CERTAIN AREAS.
SO FOR ME ANYWAY, MY FEEDBACK TO THE STAFF IS THAT I THINK THE SPIRIT AND INTENT IS ACCURATE.
WE'RE GONNA GET INTO NUMBER TWO, THREE, AND FOUR AND I THINK THAT'S WHERE WE'LL PROBABLY HAVE MORE DIVERSITY OF OPINIONS.
BUT I'M GONNA RUN AROUND REAL QUICK AND I'M GONNA ACTUALLY START WITH MR. LAW.
'CAUSE YOU STARTED OUT SAYING I HAVE COMMENTS.
SO WE'RE GONNA START WITH YOU APPROPRIATE TIME TO MAKE COMMENTS.
BUT CAN YOU START WITH NUMBER ONE? 'CAUSE WE'RE GONNA GET THE TWO, THREE AND FOUR.
NOT UN UNLESS YOUR COMMENTS ARE NOT RELATED TO ANY OF THOSE.
I DON'T THINK WE'RE ASKING THE RIGHT QUESTIONS IN 1, 2, 3 OR FOUR.
I THINK THE RIGHT QUESTION HERE IS WHAT IS A RESIDENTIAL USE? AND I ASKED THAT AND IT'S WHERE SOMEONE LIVES.
THAT'S WHAT CAME FROM THE PODIUM AND FROM HERE WHERE SOMEONE RESIDES.
AND SO I THINK IT'S REALLY IMPORTANT TO HONOR THE ZONING ORDINANCE THAT WE ALREADY HAVE.
AND WE ALREADY HAVE CHAPTER 14 THAT BREAKS, USES DOWN BETWEEN RESIDENTIAL AND WHAT'S APPROPRIATE AND RESIDENTIAL AND WHAT IS COMMERCIAL AND WHAT'S APPROPRIATE IN COMMERCIAL HOTELS AND MOTELS ARE APPROPRIATE IN COMMERCIAL AREAS.
THAT'S WHAT THE ZONING ORDINANCE CURRENTLY SAYS.
THEY'RE NOT APPROPRIATE OR ALLOWED IN RESIDENTIAL AREAS.
AS I WAS LOOKING AT THESE TERMS, RESIDENTIAL AND RESIDE, I WENT TO OUR ELECTIONS PAGE.
OUR ELECTION PAGE REQUIRES THAT PLACE TWO AND PLACE FOUR RESIDE IN A PER IN A SPECIFIC DISTRICT.
THERE'S NO QUESTION IN MY MIND THAT THAT MEANS THAT THOSE COUNCIL MEMBERS HAVE TO LIVE IN THOSE AREAS.
THAT'S WHAT IT MEANS TO RESIDE IN MY UM, SO AND SO THEN I LOOK TO OTHER THINGS.
IN ORDER TO RUN THE AIRBNB, YOU HAVE TO PAY A HOTEL AND MOTEL TAX.
YOU HAVE TO ADVERTISE ON A PLATFORM THAT'S AVAILABLE TO THE WORLD.
THESE ARE COMMERCIAL IN NATURE.
AND SO THEN I LOOK TO OTHER BUSINESSES LIKE YOU JUST BROUGHT UP.
AND I WOULD SAY THAT IF, IF YOU WANT TO CHANGE YOUR LAWNMOWER BLADE AND THE OIL ON YOUR LAWNMOWER, YOU CAN DO THAT.
IF YOU WANT TO HELP YOUR NEIGHBOR DO IT, YOU CAN DO THAT.
BUT ONCE YOU'RE ADVERTISING ON FACEBOOK MARKETPLACE OR SOME SERVICE PLATFORM THAT YOU'RE DOING THAT YOU CAN NO LONGER DO THAT OUT OF YOUR GARAGE.
AND SO WHEN DOES SLEEPING BECOME A COMMERCIAL USE? IS THE QUESTION THAT I THINK WE HAVE TO ASK.
WHEN DOES STAYING SOMEWHERE BECOME A COMMERCIAL USE? AND I THINK THAT IS WHEN YOU'RE PAYING TAXES ON IT AND YOU'RE ADVERTISING TO THE PUBLIC.
AND I DON'T THINK THAT BELONGS IN OUR NEIGHBORHOODS.
AND SO AGAIN, I DON'T THINK ANY OF THESE THINGS ARE THE RIGHT QUESTION TO ASK.
I THINK WE SHOULD STICK TO THE ORDINANCE THAT WE HAVE.
I'D LIKE TO, I MEAN, UNLESS I'M GONNA HAVE MORE COMMENTS, I'LL, I'LL WRAP 'EM ALL UP.
OKAY, MIKE, BUT HERE'S WHERE I WANT TO GO WITH THIS.
THIS IS WHAT WE'RE FOCUSED ON.
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IT SOUNDS LIKE YOU'RE WANTING TO SAY WE SHOULD RETHINK WHETHER THE CONTRACTOR WHO MOWS YARDS AND OPERATES OUT OF HIS HOUSE AND STORES HIS EQUIPMENT THERE THAT SHOULDN'T BE ALLOWED EITHER.'CAUSE THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE EQUATING IT TO.
AND I WANT US TO JUST FOCUS ON THIS BECAUSE WHAT YOU'RE GONNA DO IS TAKE US SOMEWHERE ELSE AND THIS IS WHAT WE'VE GOTTA DO TONIGHT.
WELL, TO THE DEGREE THAT I'M OFF TOPIC, I APOLOGIZE TO YOU AS THE CHAIR.
I DON'T BELIEVE THAT I AM OFF TOPIC THOUGH.
I BELIEVE THAT I'M AT THE HEART OF THE MATTER THAT WE SHOULD HAVE BEEN ON ALL ALONG.
AND SO AS FAR AS THESE QUESTIONS GO, I CAN'T, THIS SEEMS EXTREMELY COMPLICATED.
IT SEEMS VERY DIFFICULT TO IMPLEMENT OR ENFORCE.
IT'S GRANDFATHERING SOMETHING THAT WAS NEVER LEGAL IN MY OPINION.
AND SO, UM, I DON'T KNOW HOW YOU REGULATE ALL THESE DIFFERENT, HOW MANY NUMBER BEDROOMS SOMEBODY HAS.
HOW DO YOU, THEY'VE GOT ONE YOU JUST GRANDFATHERED EVERY, OR YOU JUST GAVE EVERY HOME IN THE CITY OF PLANO THE ABILITY TO BE A SHORT TERM RENTAL.
UM, I AM ALL FOR SMALL BUSINESS.
I'M ALL FOR COMING FROM OTHER COUNTRIES AND RUNNING SMALL BUSINESSES HERE.
WE, I MEAN I SPOKE TO YOU OUTSIDE.
YOU CALLED ME OUT AT THE PODIUM.
I RESPECT EVERYBODY THAT CAME HERE TONIGHT.
I'VE SAT THERE IN THOSE SEATS AND THERE'S BEEN TIMES THAT I WANTED TO BE DOWN HERE.
AND THERE'S BEEN OTHER TIMES THAT I'VE BEEN IN YOUR SEATS THAT I HAVEN'T WANTED BEEN DOWN HERE.
AND IF TONIGHT WAS ON THAT CHART, IT'S A NIGHT.
AND SO I HAVE TO LOOK AT THE ORDINANCE AND THE WAY IT'S WRITTEN AND THAT'S WHAT I'VE DONE WHOLEHEARTEDLY.
AND I'VE LISTENED TO BOTH SIDES.
AND I BELIEVE THAT RESIDENTIAL AREAS ARE MEANT FOR LIVING THERE FOR, FOR LIVING THERE LONG TERM.
NOW YOU CAN RENT AND LIVE THERE LONG TERM.
AND YOU KNOW, THERE'S THINGS THAT I'VE HEARD THAT REALLY PULL UP MY HEARTSTRINGS.
THE MEDICAL, THE MEDICAL SITUATION.
A LOT OF THOSE ARE NOT SHORT TERM RENTALS.
THOSE AREN'T EVEN PART OF THIS.
AND SO I'D LOVE TO SEE PEOPLE THAT HAVE RENTAL PROPERTIES HAVE SPECIFIC RELATIONSHIPS WITH HOSPITALS THAT ARE PROVIDING THIS SORT OF CARE.
YOU DON'T NEED TO BE ON AN AIRBNB PLATFORM.
IF, IF, IF THAT'S YOUR HEART AND THAT'S THE KIND OF CUSTOMER YOU'RE LOOKING FOR, THERE'S ANOTHER WAY TO COME ABOUT THOSE FOLKS.
AND SO FOR ME, OUR ORDINANCE MAKES IT CLEAR THAT HOTELS AND MOTELS, WHEN YOU'RE PAYING COMMERCIAL TAXES, THAT'S A COMMERCIAL USE.
I THINK WE STAND ON OUR ORDINANCE.
I STILL WOULD LIKE TO KNOW, DO YOU THINK THE PROPOSAL MEETS THE SPIRIT AND INTENT OF THE LAND USE ZONING RECOMMENDATIONS FOR
UM, AGAIN, THANK YOU TO THE, TO THE PLANNING, UM, PLANNING DEPARTMENT.
UM, I DON'T ENVY YOU
UM, DOES THE PROPOSAL MEET THE SPIRIT AND INTENT OF THE LAND USE AND ZONING RECOMMENDATIONS? UH, I THINK IT DOES.
OBVIOUSLY THERE'S, UH, HIGH INS AND TERM DEFINITIONS AND LEGALESE AND WHAT HAVE YOU TO MAKE SURE, UM, A WE IN COMPLIANCE WITH STATE LAW, UM, B WE ARE COMPLIANCE WITH QUITE FRANKLY SUPREME COURT LAW ON PROPERTY RIGHTS AND WHAT HAVE YOU.
AND I'LL LEAVE THAT TO PEOPLE WHO WENT TO SCHOOL FOR THAT TO FIGURE OUT.
UM, FOR QUESTION NUMBER TWO, UH, WHAT TIME PERIOD PER YEAR IS APPROPRIATE FOR SHORT TERM RE RENTAL SEASONAL? UM, I WILL PROBABLY BE ON THE SIDE TO SCRUB THE SEASONAL, UM, DEFINITION.
UM, AND, AND QUITE FRANKLY DOESN'T DO WHAT I THINK YOU GUYS WERE TRYING TO ACHIEVE, UM, WITH THE DEFINITION.
UM, THE MINIMUM NIGHT STAY, UM, FOR THE SHORT TERM RENTAL.
UM, AGAIN, IF I'M SCRUB SEASONAL, THEN PERHAPS THAT QUESTION IS MOOT.
UM, BUT AGAIN, FROM A APPLICABILITY PERSPECTIVE AND NOT THROWING OUT ORDINANCES OR REGULATIONS THAT MIGHT BE TRICKY TO NAVIGATE, UH, MAXIMUM THRESHOLD AS TO WHAT DEFINES A SHORT-TERM RENTAL, I THINK IN THIS CASE IS SUFFICIENT.
RIGHT? YOU CAN'T RENT UP TO OR PAST 30, WHETHER YOU RENT FIVE OR TWO TO 29, THAT'S
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YOUR PROBLEM.YOU KNOW, THE DEFINITION THAT BOXES YOU INTO WHAT IS THIS THORNY ISSUE IS YOU CANNOT GO PAST 30.
SO I THINK THE MAXIMUM IS APPROPRIATE.
I DO NOT BELIEVE THERE'S A NEED FOR A MINIMUM.
DOES THE PROPOSAL, IS ANY OF THE GOALS OF THE RENTAL STUDY? UM, IF I HAD TO VOICE OUT THE GOALS OF THE STUDY WHERE TO BRING FORWARD TO, UH, THE CITY COUNCIL AND THIS COMMISSION, UM, IDEAS, PROPOSALS, ORDINANCES THAT WE CAN PUT TOGETHER THAT SATISFY TO SOME DEGREE THE MAJORITY OF THE STAKEHOLDERS OF THIS COMMUNITY, WHICH ARE BOTH SHORT-TERM RENTAL OWNERS AND NON SHORT-TERM RENTAL OWNERS, THEN YES, THE PROPOSAL DOES THAT.
UM, THE PROPOSAL IS ALSO SUPPOSED TO GIVE CITY COUNCIL, UM, MEET TO CHEW ON AS THEY DETERMINE WHAT IS PROBABLY GONNA BE THE BIGGEST PART OF THIS, WHICH IS THE REGISTRATION ORDINANCE.
AND YES, THIS PROPOSAL DOES THAT BARRING, UH, WELL WITH A CAVEAT THAT WE CLEAN UP THE DEFINITIONS AND TERMS, UM, THE B AND B VERSUS VACATION VERSUS WHAT HAVE YOU.
REAL QUICK FOR STAFF, WHEN ARE YOU BRINGING THIS BACK TO US? THE FIRST PUBLIC HEARING'S APRIL 1ST, ISN'T IT? THAT'S CORRECT.
SO I THINK IT'S GONNA BE DIFFICULT FOR US TO COME TO AN AGREEMENT ON THE TERMS BETWEEN NOW AND APRIL 1ST BECAUSE WE'RE NOT GONNA HAVE A MEETING TO DIGEST WHAT THEY MIGHT RECOMMEND.
SO I THINK ON APRIL 1ST, IF YOU'VE GOT OTHER TERMS YOU WANNA THROW OUT THERE, GREAT.
IF WE HAVE TO USE THESE SHORT TERM BECAUSE THERE'S NO CONSENSUS, MAYBE WE CAN FIGURE SOMETHING OUT THAT NIGHT.
BUT I DON'T WANT US TO GET HUNG UP ON APRIL 1ST BECAUSE THE TERMS HAVEN'T CHANGED.
'CAUSE WE WON'T HAVE A TIME, HAVE A CHANCE TO RECOMMEND.
SO ANYWAY, BUT I THINK YOU'VE GOT THE MESSAGE CLEAR FROM ALMOST ALL OF US THAT THE TERMS CREATE CHALLENGES NOT ONLY FOR US, BUT FOR EVERYONE OUT HERE
SO, UH, LET'S GO AHEAD AND FOLLOW MR. OLLIE AND JUST RUN RIGHT THROUGH, IF YOU WOULD.
I, I LIVE IN TEXAS BECAUSE I BELIEVE VERY STRONGLY THAT, UH, WE ARE A STATE THAT, UH, HOLDS TIGHT TO OUR PROPERTY RIGHTS.
AND WHERE DOES PROPERTY RIGHTS AND NEIGHBORHOOD CONCERNS INTERSECT? UM, I THINK RIGHT IN THE MIDDLE OF A LOT OF THIS.
AND SO AS I LISTENED TO EVERYTHING AND I, AS I'VE DIGESTED EVERYTHING, WHEN I THINK ABOUT DOES THIS MEET THE SPIRIT AND THE INTENT OF WHAT I'VE READ FROM THE SHORT TERM, UH, TASK FORCE, UM, I'M NOT A HUNDRED PERCENT CERTAIN THAT IT DOES.
UH, AND WHAT I KEPT HEARING FROM, UH, THE SIDE THAT, UH, ALREADY HAS THINGS IS THAT THERE ARE CERTAIN PLACES THAT SHORT TERM RENTALS BELONG.
UH, AND THEN THERE ARE CERTAIN PLACES THAT THEY DON'T.
AND WHAT I HEAR FROM THE OTHER SIDE IS THERE ARE PLACES THAT THEY MIGHT BELONG AND THERE ARE PLACES THAT THEY DON'T.
UM, AND, UH, I UNDERSTAND THAT HOAS, UH, HAVE THE ABILITY TO, UH, CUT THOSE OUT.
WELL, I LIVE IN A NEIGHBORHOOD THAT DOESN'T HAVE AN HOA AND SO I HAVE CONCERNS AS IT RELATES TO THIS, THE IMPACT THAT A COMMUNITY IN PLANO THAT DOES HAVE IT, UH, HAS ABOVE MY COMMUNITY THAT DOESN'T HAVE IT.
SO I DON'T KNOW THAT WE'VE MET THAT.
AND WHEN I LOOK AT THE MAP, I DON'T SEE, UH, A LIMITATION, BUT I SEE AN EXPANSION.
AND THAT KIND OF BRINGS ME SOME CONCERN.
UH, I DO THINK THERE ARE PLACES THAT IT FIT, THAT IT DOES FIT AND THAT IT DOES BELONG.
BUT DO I THINK THAT EVERY HOUSEHOLD THAT DOESN'T HAVE AN HOA THAT CAN BAN IT SHOULD BE ALLOWED TO HAVE, UH, UH, AN STR, UH, DOWN THE ENTIRE STREET? UH, I DON'T, AND I DON'T THINK THAT WAS THE INTENTION OF THE, THE TASK FORCE STUDY.
UM, ADDITIONALLY, MY OTHER CONCERN ABOUT, UH, HOW APARTMENTS ARE BEING TREATED APPROPRIATELY AND FAIRLY, UH, AND THE, I I THINK MR. CAREY HIT A HOME RUN WHEN HE TALKED ABOUT A DENSITY FILTER.
UM, I, I DON'T THINK THAT PEOPLE THINK ABOUT BEDROOMS HAVING FOUR BEDS.
UM, WHEN IT COMES TO THE SECOND AND THIRD, UH,
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I THINK I AGREE WITH MR. ALI AND, UH, MR. CAREY.UH, I'M NOT SURE THAT THE TERMINOLOGY BELONGS THERE AT ALL.
I WOULD DO AWAY WITH IT IF IT WERE ME, UH, IF IT DID HAVE TO STAY.
I THINK MR. CAREY HAS A GREAT, UH, SELECTION OF 30 PLUS DAYS, UH, AND LESS THAN 90 DAYS.
UM, LASTLY, DOES IT MISS ANY OF THE GOALS? UH, AGAIN, I DO THINK IT, UH, DOESN'T HIT ALL OF THE GOALS THAT WERE INTENDED.
UM, THE I I'M HAVING, YEAH, I DON'T THINK IT HITS ALL THE GOALS THAT IT WAS INTENDED.
DO YOU HAVE ANY SPECIFIC, DO YOU HAVE ANY SPECIFIC GOALS THAT WERE MISSED? AGAIN, THIS IS, I THINK THE LIMIT, I THINK THE LIMITATION EFFECT THAT THE, THE SHORT-TERM RENTAL TASK FORCE TALKS ABOUT LIMITING THE NUMBER, UH, ACROSS EVERYWHERE AND THAT THERE WERE PLACES THAT BELONGED AND DIDN'T.
AND I THINK THAT WE'VE, AS OPPOSED TO LIMITING IT IN SOME AREAS, WE'VE EXPANDED IT.
ESPECIALLY THOSE THAT DON'T HAVE HOAS, LIKE OKAY.
AND I THINK THAT'S A VALID POINT.
IF, COULD I JUST ASK A QUICK QUESTION? SO, OR, OR MAKE A CLARIFICATION THAT IF LIMITED OR SEASONAL, UM, REQUIRED A MINIMUM NIGHTS STAY OF 30 NIGHTS, THEN IT WOULD NO LONGER BE A SHORT-TERM RENTAL.
IT WOULD JUST BE A LONG-TERM RENTAL.
SO YEAH, THAT'S STRIKE NUMBER OF DAYS PER YEAR ANNUALLY WOULD BE A MOOT POINT.
UM, I'M GONNA TRY NOT TO REPEAT ANYTHING, SO, BUT I WILL CONCUR WITH THE 30 PLUS DAYS ON SEASONAL.
I, I HAVE A LITANY OF ISSUES WITH THE SEASONAL AND I THINK THAT ADDRESSES ALL OF THEM.
SO I'LL LEAVE MY LITANY OF ISSUES UNSPOKEN AT THIS POINT.
UM, WHAT I, WHAT I DO BELIEVE THE PROPOSAL MEETS THE SPIRIT OF INTENT IS IN THE LIVE-IN MANAGEMENT ST AND THE REGULATIONS THERE, I DO HAVE SOME CONCERNS ABOUT BEDROOMS VERSUS BEDS.
AND I THINK WE NEED TO CLARIFY THAT BECAUSE I THINK THERE, THERE ARE SOME SDRS, PRIMARILY THE VACATION ONES, I THINK THAT OVER ADVERTISE THE NUMBER OF PEOPLE THAT THEY CAN SLEEP VERSUS HOW MANY PEOPLE WOULD NORMALLY STAY THERE IF IT WAS A FAMILY HOME.
BECAUSE IF I'VE GOT FOUR BEDROOMS, I'VE PROBABLY GOT NO MORE THAN FOUR TO SIX KIDS IN THOSE BEDROOMS. BUT I'M NOT GONNA HAVE LIKE 20 BEDS IN THERE IF IT'S AN SDR.
THAT'S JUST, I THINK WE NEED TO CLARIFY THAT A LITTLE BIT.
UM, BUT FOR THE LIVE-IN MANAGEMENT, SPECIFICALLY THE ONE BEDROOM, UM, IF THAT WAS A ZERO TO FOUR GUESTS KIND OF THING, I'D BE OKAY WITH THAT.
BUT I DON'T, BECAUSE I THINK THAT DOES PRESERVE THE FABRIC OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD WHEN YOU'VE GOT PEOPLE THAT LIVE IN THAT HOME, KNOW THEIR NEIGHBORS, YOU KNOW, WATCH THEIR NEIGHBOR'S DOG, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE YOUR NEIGHBORS.
MY KIDS RAN AND OUT OF A SPRING BREAK, MY NEIGHBORS DON'T KNOW MY KIDS.
THEY DON'T, THEY'RE FULL GROWN ADULTS.
THEY DON'T KNOW IF THEY'RE MY KIDS OR SOME STRANGER LIVING IN MY HOUSE, BUT THEY'RE MY KIDS.
BUT IF YOU DIDN'T KNOW 'EM, YOU MIGHT THINK I WAS RENTING MY HOUSE OUT BECAUSE THERE WERE A BUNCH OF THEM IN AND OUTTA MY HOUSE FOR SEVERAL WEEKS.
UM, BUT I'M STILL PART OF THE FABRIC OF MY NEIGHBORHOOD BECAUSE MY NEIGHBORS NOW KNOW MY KIDS BECAUSE I INTRODUCED 'EM TO 'EM.
BUT, UM, SO I THINK THE SINGLE BEDROOM, THE, THE LIVE-IN MANAGEMENT IS A, IS A COMPLETELY DIFFERENT SITUATION THAN A VACATION HOME TO ME BECAUSE THEY ARE PART OF THE FABRIC OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
UM, AND THEY'RE NO DIFFERENT THAN A HOME-BASED BUSINESS.
I MEAN, I RUN MY BUSINESS OUTTA MY HOME.
I HAVE CLIENTS, NOT CLIENTS, I HAVE VENDORS COME TO MY HOUSE PERIODICALLY.
NO DIFFERENT THAN SOMEBODY THAT MIGHT BE RENTING A ROOM COMING AND PARKING IN THE DRIVEWAY.
UM, SO I THINK WE HAVE TO LOOK AT THE ONSITE MANAGEMENT ST AS MUCH MORE LIKE A HOME-BASED BUSINESS THAN THE VACATION RENTALS.
AND I BELIEVE BY ALL THE DATA THAT WE'VE SEEN AND THE QUESTIONS I ASKED YOU, THAT IT'S THE, IT'S THE NON ONSITE MANAGEMENT ST THAT HAVE A ONE NIGHT OPPORTUNITY THAT ARE THE PROBLEM.
AND THAT'S WHERE OUR DOZEN OR MORE PROBLEM ISSUES ARE.
AND THAT'S WHY I THINK THOSE ARE THE ONES THAT WE NEED TO FOCUS OUR EFFORTS ON.
AND, AND THOSE I DO BELIEVE OUGHT TO HAVE A MINIMUM STAY.
AND I'M, I WOULD EVEN ADVOCATE THAT MAYBE TWO DAYS ISN'T ENOUGH.
UM, BUT I DON'T BELIEVE WE OUGHT TO HAVE A MINIMUM STAY IN THE ONSITE MANAGED ST.
RI THINK IF SOMEBODY WANTS TO COME STAY AT MY HOUSE FOR ONE NIGHT, GREAT.
COME STAY AT MY HOUSE FOR ONE NIGHT.
I, UM, UH, AND THEN I DO APPRECIATE THE WAY THAT YOU, YOU DID
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HAVE SPECIAL TREATMENT FOR THE HERITAGE PROPERTIES AND THE COTTAGES.I HAVE BOTH ON THE SAME PROPERTY.
WHAT YOU'VE DONE IS A FAIR WAY TO HANDLE HERITAGE PROPERTIES, ESPECIALLY THE ONES THAT HAVE COTTAGES BECAUSE WE, WE DO HAVE A DIFFERENT SITUATION IN HERE IN THE HERITAGE DISTRICT.
AND, AND SO I DO BELIEVE THAT WE MET THE SPIRIT AND INTENT OF THE LAND USE AND ZONING AND THE TASK FORCE IN DEALING WITH THE HERITAGE DISTRICT.
I THINK THOSE, THAT WAS VERY WELL DONE.
THE TWO PLACES I THINK YOU MISSED IN, IN, IN ADDITION TO THE BEDS VERSUS BEDROOMS IS ONE.
UM, THE OTHER IS HOW WE HANDLE THE SHORT-TERM RENTALS THAT ARE IN OUR APARTMENT COMPLEXES TODAY.
BECAUSE I KNOW MORE AND MORE APARTMENT COMPLEXES, AND I BROUGHT THIS UP IN A PREVIOUS MEETING, HAVE GUEST SUITES WHERE A FAMILY MEMBER COMES INTO TOWN, THEY CAN GO RENT ONE OF THE APARTMENTS FOR A WEEKEND OR A WEEK, AND THEN THEY MOVE ON.
AND THAT'S BECOMING A REGULAR FEATURE IN APARTMENT COMPLEXES NOW.
AND, AND I THINK WE'VE GOT TO ADDRESS THAT SOMEHOW, UM, AND HAVE A PERCENTAGE THEY CAN DO THAT IN OR SOMETHING.
UM, AND SO I THINK WE HAVE MISSED ON THAT.
SO I THINK WE NEED TO SHORE UP THAT COMPONENT OF HOW A LOT OF OUR APARTMENT OPERATORS ARE USING A SMALL NUMBER OF THEIR UNITS.
SO OTHER THAN THAT, HOME RUN, UH, I'LL GIVE YOU A TRIPLE.
I WAS GONNA START ON THAT END WORK THIS WAY, BUT WE'LL DO WHATEVER WITH YOU.
UM, I JUST THINK THERE'S BEEN SOME GREAT COMMENTS MADE HERE AND I WANNA CALL 'EM OUT BECAUSE I'M IN CONCERT WITH THEM.
UH, COMMISSIONER OLLIE TALKING ABOUT THE SPIRIT OF THIS.
AND THE GOAL ULTIMATELY IS FOR ALL OF US TO DELIVER SOMETHING FOR COUNCIL TO SORT THROUGH AND MAKE A DECISION ON.
AND SO ULTIMATELY THAT IS WHAT OUR CHARTER IS HERE AS IT IS FOR EVERYONE ELSE.
SO, YOU KNOW, IN THAT, IN THAT, IN THAT, UM, RESPECT, I THINK WE'RE MOVING THAT WAY.
UM, I ALSO DON'T THINK THAT WE'RE ALL THE WAY THERE.
AND SO AS I GO DOWN THROUGH THESE THINGS, AGAIN, I, I PERSONALLY, UM, WHOEVER SAID IT, I I'M AGAINST THE SEASONAL RENTER THING, AND IF WE MOVE IT TO 30 DAYS AS A MINIMUM, THEN WE'VE ELIMINATED THAT.
IT'S NO LONGER A SHORT-TERM RENTAL THAT'S GONE.
UM, I, I WILL REPEAT, I'M FOR SOME KIND OF DENSITY FILTER, WHETHER IT'S APARTMENTS OR WHATEVER.
I'M FOR WHERE WE DO ALLOW SHORT-TERM RENTALS IF WE CAN HAVE SOME KIND OF LIVE-IN ELEMENT.
I THINK THAT'S HELPFUL, ESPECIALLY WITH WHAT'S GOING ON IN THE COMMERCIAL, UH, UM, IN, IN INVESTMENTS BEING MADE THAT ARE SUCKING UP A LOT OF INVENTORY AND MAKING IT A, A COMMERCIAL ENTERPRISE AS OPPOSED TO A NEIGHBORHOOD.
AND SO WE LOSE OUR COMMUNITY FABRIC.
WE LOSE SOME OF THOSE THINGS, AND I THINK THAT'S UNDENIABLE WHEN WE HAVE SOMEBODY, UH, LIKE COMMISSIONER RATLIFF ON SITE, IT'S A DIFFERENT THING.
UM, AND SO I, I THINK THAT WHERE WE, WHERE WE MISSED THE GOALS IS WHOEVER SET IT OVER HERE, BUT WITH THE ONE BEDROOM, THE, UH, THE ONE BEDROOM, IT OPENS IT UP TO THE ENTIRE CITY.
I DON'T THINK THAT WAS ANYBODY'S GOAL.
I WOULD HOPE NOT, WHERE EVERY SINGLE, UM, RESIDENCE IN THIS CITY COULD BE A SHORT TERM RENTAL.
I, I DON'T, I DON'T THINK THAT WOULD BE ANYBODY'S GOAL.
SO I THINK WE WHIFFED ON THAT, BUT I, I DO THINK DIRECTIONALLY WE'RE GOING THE RIGHT WAY AND THERE'S COMPELLING ARGUMENTS TO BE MADE ON ALL SIDES OF THIS, AND I SEE US HEADING THE RIGHT WAY.
BUT I DO THINK THERE'S SOME REALLY IMPORTANT THINGS TO, TO GET DONE AND, YOU KNOW, UM, THE DEVIL IS IN THE DETAIL OF ALL THIS STUFF.
AND SO I THINK THAT'S KIND OF WHERE WE'RE AT.
AND FIRST OF ALL, I REALLY WANNA THANK YOU FOR STANDING THERE FOR SO LONG.
I REALLY DON'T THINK, AT LEAST WHEN I'M TALKING, YOU DON'T HAVE TO STAND THERE.
IF YOU WANNA WALK BACK TO YOUR SEAT, YOU'RE WELCOME TO DO SO.
THIS IS REALLY JUST, UH, ANSWERING YOUR QUESTIONS TO THE WHOLE, UM, KIND OF THE, THE PROPOSAL BEFORE I ANSWER THE FIRST QUESTION ABOUT LIKE, DOES THE PROPOSAL MEET BLAH, BLAH, BLAH, I WANNA KIND OF REFRESH MY MEMORY ABOUT WHAT THE PROPOSAL IS, RIGHT? SO IN MY MIND, THE PROPOSAL IS FIRST OF ALL, CLASSIFYING ALL THE RENTALS INTO THREE CATEGORIES, RIGHT? BMB ONE, BMB 2, 2, 5, AND VACATION.
WE'LL DEAL WITH THOSE TERMS LATER.
UM, AND THEIR BI GUESS BMB ONE IS ALLOWED, UH, AND BMB TWO AND FOUR NEEDS SOP AND THE BB, SORRY, VACATION RENTAL IS NOT ALLOWED, UH, UNLESS WE PASS THIS 30, 60, 90 DAY SEASONAL PERIOD.
IS THAT CORRECT? IN MOST, UM, RESIDENTIAL ZONING DISTRICTS? THAT IS
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CORRECT, CORRECT.WE'RE JUST TALKING ABOUT REASON.
THERE ARE TWO EXCEPTIONS, UM, UNDER THE PROPOSAL, CORRECT? YES.
SO I DIDN'T MENTION ABOUT THE HOTEL ZONE OR ANYTHING COMMERCIAL ZONE, THAT IT'S NOT THE MAIN CONCERN HERE.
I THINK EVERYBODY WOULD AGREE THAT WE'RE CONCERNING ABOUT THE RESIDENTIAL AREAS THAT THE, THE NEIGHBORHOOD, RIGHT.
SO BASED ON THAT, I THINK, UM, YES, UH, PROBABLY 50%.
I AGREE THAT IT DOES MEET THE INTENT OF THE LAND THAT THE LAND USE AND ZONING RECOMMENDATIONS PROVIDED BY THE, UM, TASK FORCE.
UM, THE OTHER PER PERCENT, I'M KIND OF RESERVING A LITTLE BIT OBSERVATION ON THE DIFF DIFFERENCES BETWEEN B AND B ONE AND BB TWO AND 2, 2 5.
UM, PERSONALLY, I REALLY DON'T THINK THERE IS A HUGE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN BB ONE AND BB 2 2 5.
UH, TO ME, THEY SHOULD BE TREATED, UH, THE SAME WAY.
UM, EITHER ALL SUP OR ALL AS THE SAME AS A VACATION RENTAL.
UH, HAVING ONE ROOM VERSUS TWO TO FIVE ROOM IS REALLY NOT THAT MUCH DIFFERENCE.
UH, PERSONAL OPINION AND SO ON THAT PART, I THINK IT'S, IT JUST, THAT'S BECAUSE THAT'S PART OF THE PROPOSAL THAT, THAT, THAT'S THE PART I, I DON'T AGREE.
UM, BUT I DO THINK YOU HAVE TRIED TO MAKE IT, UH, MEET THE EXPECTATION OF THE SPIRIT AND THE INTENT OF THE, UH, RENTAL TAX FORCE.
THE SECOND ONE, THE SECOND QUESTION IS, PERSONALLY, I DON'T THINK IT REALLY MATTERS.
IF WE WERE GOING TO ALLOW SHORT TERM RENTAL, I DON'T THINK WE SHOULD SET A LIMIT ON 30 DAYS, 60 OR 90 DAYS.
THAT TOTALLY JUST NEGATES THE PURPOSE OF HAVING A SHORT TERM RENTAL.
UM, I DON'T THINK EITHER SIDE IS, IS, UH, IN FAVOR OF THIS HAVING THIS LIMIT.
UM, EITHER WE DO, WE WON'T ALLOW SHORT TERM RENTAL OR WE WILL ALLOW, HAVING THAT SEASONAL IS MEANINGLESS IN MY OPINION.
SO I'M NOT GONNA SAY ANYTHING TO THAT.
THIRD, I REALLY DON'T THINK THERE SHOULD BE A MINIMAL 'CAUSE PERSONALLY, WE HAVE USED, UM, UH, THE AIRBNB SO MANY TIMES BECAUSE WE HAVE A LARGE FAMILY, WE HAVE, YOU KNOW, ME AND MY HUSBAND, WE HAVE FIVE KIDS.
EVERY TIME WE GO TO VISIT OUR FAMILY IN CHICAGO, WE HAVE TO RUN TO AIRBNB MAYBE JUST ONE NIGHT.
'CAUSE WE DON'T WANNA RUN, YOU KNOW, SIX DIFFERENT BEDROOMS OR FIVE DIFFERENT BEDROOM, UH, I MEAN HOTEL ROOMS BECAUSE WE HAVE ADULT KIDS, RIGHT? THEY CAN'T, ANYWAY, IT, TO US, I THINK WE, THERE'S DEFINITELY, DEFINITELY A LOT OF USES FOR A FULL FAMILY, A VERY QUALITY, UM, GOOD RESIDENTS AND TENANTS WILL, UH, RENT A, UH, AIRBNB HOME FOR ONE NIGHT.
SO I DON'T THINK LIMITED TO TWO NIGHTS MINIMUM TWO NIGHTS IS FAIR OR WILL ACTUALLY ELIMINATE THE PROBLEM THAT YOU'RE TRYING TO ELIMINATE.
THERE ARE A LOT OF PEOPLE WILL RENT FOR TWO NIGHTS.
THEY'LL STILL HAVE A ONE NIGHT FOR PARTYING.
I THINK HAVING THE CALL SERVICE RESTRICTIONS OR TO, UM, IF SOME, YOU KNOW, RE IRRESPONSIBLE, UM, HOSTS HAVE MAYBE, FOR EXAMPLE, MORE THAN THREE SERVICE CALLS AND THE REGISTRATION WILL BE REVOKED.
THAT'S FOR EXAMPLE, RIGHT? MAYBE WE WILL DO SOME, YOU KNOW, FORCE ON THAT, ENFORCEMENT ON THAT, OR MAYBE HAVING A PARKING.
UM, THAT'S A MULTI-DEPARTMENT EFFORT, BUT I, I THINK YOU'RE OVERTHINKING.
I MEAN, FOR, AS A REAL ESTATE PROFESSIONAL FOR OUR LEASES, EVERY LEASE HAS A RESTRICTION ON PARKING.
IF WE SIGN A LEASE, DOESN'T MATTER.
IT'S SIX MONTHS, FOUR MONTHS, THREE MONTHS, OR A YEAR, TWO YEARS.
WE HAVE A LINE SAYS NO MORE THAN THREE PARKING, WE ONLY ALLOW THREE PARKING SP IN YOUR THREE VEHICLES PARKED THERE, OR TWO VEHICLES PARKED THERE FOR EVERY RESIDENTIAL, UM, PROPERTY.
WE HAVE A NUMBER OF VEHICLES ALLOWED PARKED THERE.
I THINK WE CAN DO THAT BY LAND USE.
I WAS JUST SAYING THAT BECAUSE I THINK THAT WAS WHERE YOU'RE COMING FROM, WHY YOU'RE LIMITING THE MINUTE NI MINIMUM, UM, ALLOWED NIGHTS, TWO NIGHTS.
UH, I JUST DON'T THINK WE NEED A MINIMUM THERE.
UM, THERE'S A PROPOSED NUMBER FOUR.
I AGREE WITH A LOT OF OUR, UM, COLLEAGUES REGARDING, UM, THE, UM, DENSITY.
WE WANNA HAVE A DENSITY AND CONTROL OVERALL AND ALSO THE, UM, BED VERSUS
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BEDROOMS AND THE APARTMENT BUILDING, UH, ISSUES.UM, I THINK THE ONLY THING I WOULD ADD TO IT IS JUST, UH, UM, THE PARTY, THE PARKING THING, I, I, I FEEL STRONG WITH HAVING A PARKING, PARKING LIMIT.
WELL, YOU, YOU LIMIT A LOT OF THE, UH, PARTY ISSUES.
ALRIGHT, MR. BRUNO? IT'S 10 30
IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE SAYING?
I KNOW IT'S BEEN A, A, A MAJOR PROJECT FOR THEM.
UM, AND THEY DO IT IN ORDER TO SERVE THE PEOPLE OF, OF, OF, OF THIS CITY.
AND I APPRECIATE ALL OF THEIR EFFORTS.
UM, I THINK THAT THE GOALS OF THE SHORT TERM RENTAL STUDY AND THE SPIRIT AND INTENT OF THE RECOMMENDATIONS THAT CAME OUT OF THAT STUDY RECOGNIZED TWO DIFFERENT SETS OF INTERESTS ON THE ONE HAND.
AND THOSE TWO SETS ARE REPRESENTED BY THE TWO GROUPS OF PEOPLE HERE TONIGHT.
ON THE ONE HAND, YOU HAVE PEOPLE WHO ARE ADVOCATING THE PROTECTION OF THE INTEGRITY OF NEIGHBORHOODS.
ON THE OTHER HAND, YOU HAVE PEOPLE WHO ARE ADVOCATING THE RIGHT TO OWN AND EX AND USE THEIR PROPERTY FOR THEIR OWN PURPOSES IN A RESPONSIBLE MANNER.
I THINK BOTH OF THOSE ARE LEGITIMATE INTERESTS.
I THINK IT WOULD BE WRONG FOR US TO UPHOLD ONE OF THOSE INTERESTS AND DENY THE OTHER.
I ALSO THINK IT WOULD BE WRONG OF US TO INDULGE IN STEREOTYPING.
STEREOTYPING IS WHEN YOU PAINT ALL INDIVIDUALS WHO HAPPEN TO BELONG TO A GROUP WITH THE SAME BRUSH AND ASSUME THAT THEY ALL HAVE THE SAME CHARACTERISTICS AND THE SAME QUALITIES.
STEREOTYPING IS TOO OFTEN USED IN ORDER TO IMPUTE NEGATIVE CHARACTERISTICS TO A WHOLE GROUP OF PEOPLE, WHICH ACTUALLY DON'T APPLY.
I AM UNWILLING TO ASSUME THAT JUST BECAUSE SOMEONE IS A SHORT TERM TENANT, THAT PERSON IS UNDESIRABLE.
YES, I RECOGNIZE THAT PEOPLE ARE INDIVIDUALS.
SOME SHORT TERM TENANTS HAVE DONE UNDESIRABLE THINGS THAT HAVE DISRUPTED NEIGHBORHOODS.
OTHERS HAVE BEEN TOTALLY RESPONSIBLE.
UH, THE SAME GOES FOR SHORT-TERM RENTAL OPERATORS.
A FEW HAVE BEEN IRRESPONSIBLE, MANY HAVE BEEN TOTALLY IRRESPONSIBLE.
I REFUSE TO PAINT THEM ALL WITH THE SAME BRUSH.
AND I THINK WE SHOULD REFRAIN FROM THAT KIND OF STEREOTYPING.
SO THE APPROACH THAT I THINK THAT THE SHORT TERM RENTAL STUDY TOOK AND THAT THE RECOMMENDATIONS TAKE IS ONE OF BALANCE THAT RECOGNIZES THE LEGITIMACY OF BOTH INTERESTS AND TRIES TO FIND A FORMULA WHERE THEY CAN COEXIST IN THAT SPIRIT.
I THINK THAT THE STRONGEST PROTECTION FOR THE PRESERVATION OF NEIGHBORHOOD INTEGRITY IS THE RESIDENT MANAGER.
THE SECOND STRONGEST IS THE SPECIFIC USE PERMIT.
HOWEVER, THE PROPOSAL BEFORE US WOULD REQUIRE THE SPECIFIC USE PERMIT ONLY FOR PEOPLE RENTING TWO TO FIVE BEDROOMS, NOT ONE BEDROOM.
I THINK THERE IS, THERE IS LEGITIMATE REASON FOR THAT.
I THINK COMING TO THE CITY AND APPLYING FOR A SPECIFIC USE PERMIT IS BASICALLY APPLYING FOR A ZONING CHANGE THAT CAN BE A VERY INVOLVED IN A VERY EXPENSIVE PROPOSITION.
AND I THINK THAT IS MORE THAN WE CAN LEGITIMATELY ASK A HOMEOWNER WHO RENTS OUT ONE ROOM TO UNDERTAKE.
IT'S JUST TOO GREAT A BURDEN TO REASONABLY ASK OF SOMEBODY.
THE PROPERTIES THAT RENT TWO TO FIVE ROOMS GENERATE A GREATER AMOUNT OF IN OF INCOME.
THEY HAVE POTENTIALLY A GREATER IMPACT ON THE COMMUNITY BECAUSE OF THE GREATER NUMBER OF TENANTS.
AND IT IS MORE REASONABLE TO REQUIRE A SPECIFIC USE PERMIT OF THEM THAN OF THE ONE BEDROOM HOMEOWNER.
UM, I WOULD ADVOCATE DOING AWAY WITH THE LIMITED SEASONAL RENTAL SIMPLY BECAUSE IT DOESN'T HAVE THOSE, THOSE TWO PROTECTIONS.
UM, I DON'T WANT THAT TO BECOME A VEHICLE WHEREBY, YOU KNOW, SOMEONE RENTS A, A HOUSE FOR 29 DAYS AND IT TURNS INTO A PARTY HOUSE BECAUSE THE OWNER IS OFF ON VACATION SOMEWHERE.
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UH, I THINK THE, THE NEED TO BALANCE THE TWO INTERESTS HERE ARE ADEQUATELY SERVED BY THE THREE CATEGORIES WITHOUT HAVING A FOURTH CATEGORY OF THIS, OF THE, OF THE, UH, TEMPORARY SEASONAL RENTAL, A LIMITED SEASONAL RENTAL.WE CAN CLEAN UP THE TERMINOLOGY.
WE, UH, WE NEED TO LOOK AT THE NUMBER OF BEDS IN ADDITION TO THE NUMBER OF, OF ROOMS. I DON'T THINK WE NEED TO FIND TWO TO FIVE RENTALS IN TERMS OF CONTRACTS.
IT CAN BE TWO CONTRACTS, FIVE CONTRACTS OR ANYTHING IN THE MIDDLE.
IT'S THE NUMBER OF ROOMS AND THE NUMBER OF BEDS.
SO, UM, WITH THAT, I THINK THIS PROPOSAL GENERALLY MEETS THE GOALS OF A SHORT TERM RENTAL STUDY AND IS GENERALLY WITHIN THE SPIRIT AND INTENT OF THE RECOMMENDATIONS.
I'M THE ONLY ONE LEFT AND I GOT 1130.
UM, OH YEAH, WE DO STILL HAVE SILVER LINE.
SO CAN YOU GO TO PAGE 1 0 6 IN THE PRESENTATION? I DON'T HAVE PAGE NUMBERS UP HERE.
UM, THAT STARTS AT THE TOP WITH CAN I RENT MY BACKYARD? YEAH, ATTACHMENT C, SORRY.
OH, UM, DON'T HAVE THAT IN THE SAME FORM, BUT THIS, WELL, LET'S GO WITH THIS RIGHT HERE.
SO I'M JUST POINTING THIS OUT BECAUSE I THINK IT'S SOMETHING THAT NEEDS TO BE ADDRESSED AND, AND THEN I'LL GET INTO MY THOUGHTS.
ONE ROOM COTTAGE IN THE BACK, YOU HAVE THE OWNER ON SITE AND THEN YOU HAVE THE ENTIRE HOUSE RENTED OUT.
COULD BE EIGHT BEDROOMS AND IT'S CONSIDERED A BED AND BREAKFAST, ONE ROOM THAT SEEMS INCONGRUOUS CONGRESS WITH THE IDEA THAT ANOTHER HOUSE WITH FIVE BEDROOMS IS SOMEHOW BEDROOM, TWO TO FIVE BED BREAKFAST TWO TO FIVE.
SO I THINK WE NEED TO LOOK AT THAT.
UM, NOW GOING BACK TO THE FOUR ITEMS. ONE, YES, I DO BELIEVE THAT WHAT YOU'VE PRESENTED IS IN THE SPIRIT OF WHAT THE TASK FORCE, UH, WAS CONSIDERING IN TERMS OF LAND USE AND ZONING.
I THINK YOU DID, THEY DID A VERY EFFECTIVE JOB AND I THINK YOU GUYS HAVE DONE A GOOD JOB TRYING TO PORTRAY THAT.
UM, UM, WE CAN'T GET PERFECT HERE.
WE'RE NOT GOING TO, AND OUR JOB IS TO GET SOMETHING CLOSE SO THEN COUNCIL CAN DO WHAT THEY NEED TO DO WITH IT.
I TEND TO AGREE WITH THE LIMITED SEASONAL.
I, I, I THINK IT COMPLICATES THINGS AND, UM, IS IT POSSIBLE THAT THERE WILL BE SOMEBODY THAT'S GONNA BE DAMAGED BY THIS? MAYBE, BUT I LOOK AT THE NUMBERS OF THE PERCENTAGES AND I JUST DON'T THINK WE HAVE THAT MANY THAT WOULD FALL INTO THAT CATEGORY.
SO I WOULD, I WOULD SAY LET'S SIMPLIFY THINGS, MOVE THEM UP.
I, I AGREE THAT THE MINIMUM MIGHT STAY AND ON THE DEAL YOU SAY FOR SHORT-TERM RENTAL AND THEN IT SAYS LIMITED SEASONAL USE, BUT I THINK YOU MEANT FOR ALL CATEGORIES.
UM, I AGREE THAT I I DON'T THINK YOU SHOULD LIMIT IT.
I THINK ONE NIGHT'S FINE, UH, BECAUSE WE'RE GOING TO USE A SLEDGEHAMMER ON A GNAT BECAUSE THE PROBLEMS THAT WE HAVE ARE A VERY TINY PERCENTAGE OF THE OVERALL COMMUNITY THAT'S HERE.
I AGREE STRONGLY WITH ONSITE MANAGEMENT, CHANGING THE RULES, GIVING THEM MORE FREEDOM AND FLEXIBILITY.
I AGREE STRONGLY THAT IF YOU'RE RUNNING ONE ROOM, THIS SHOULD BE AS SIMPLE AS FILLING OUT A ONE PAGE FORM IF POSSIBLE, AGREEING TO THE, THE REGULATORY ENVIRONMENT.
I, I DON'T WANT TO OVERBURDEN SOMEBODY WHO'S A GOOD ACTOR AND HERE'S HOW THEY'RE ABLE TO AFFORD A HOUSE IN PLANO IS 'CAUSE THEY'RE ABLE TO RENT ONE OF THE ROOMS OUT, RIGHT? I THINK THEY PROVIDE A NECESSARY SERVICE, UH, TO THE COMMUNITY.
I DON'T KNOW THAT WE, THAT WE GOT ALL OF THE GOALS OF THE SHORT TERM RENTAL STUDY, BUT I THINK IT'S BECAUSE THERE'S STILL SOME QUESTIONS THAT, THAT PROBABLY HAVEN'T EVEN BEEN ASKED YET THAT WE DON'T KNOW.
AND SO I, I THINK THAT IS IT POSSIBLE THAT WE'RE GONNA NEED TO TWEAK THIS ORDINANCE DOWN THE ROAD? YES.
BUT I THINK, AGAIN, AS I SAID EARLIER, WE'RE CLOSE ENOUGH TO GETTING SOMETHING DONE, WHICH THE CITIZENS WANT.
THEY DON'T WANT THE GRAY AREA.
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YOU GUYS DON'T WANT IT GRAY.AND THIS IS CLOSE ENOUGH TO REALLY, REALLY GOOD THAT I THINK THAT WE, WE GET THIS IN PLACE.
SO IS THERE PARTICULAR QUESTIONS OR FEEDBACK THAT YOU WANT THAT YOU DID NOT GET FROM US TONIGHT? AND YES, GO AHEAD.
UM, I THINK, SO WE HEARD YOU ON BEDS, UH, THE APARTMENT COMPLEXES, UM, REMOVING THE LIMITED RIGHT OFF THE BAT, UM, SOUNDS LIKE POTENTIALLY GOING TO JUST ONE, ONE NIGHT MINIMUM, NOT TWO.
UM, I THINK THERE WAS SOME CONVERSATION ABOUT MAYBE A LONGER MINIMUM STAY IN VACATION RENTALS.
SO NOT SURE THAT, WELL, IF WE GO TO LONGER, WE'VE MOVED AWAY FROM SHORT TERM RENTALS.
AND SO THEN DOES IT FALL INTO THIS CATEGORY? WELL, IF IT'S MAYBE A FOUR OR FIVE NIGHT MINIMUM, UM, IF THERE'S AN APPETITE FOR THAT IN VACATION RENTALS.
OH, ON A VACATION? NO, I DON'T THINK THAT THAT'S, NO, NO, NOT SEASONAL.
JUST VACATION ROOMS. SO YEAH, WITH OFFSITE MANAGEMENT.
AND THEN DID YOU GET DENSITY IN THERE? 'CAUSE I WANNA MAKE A POINT ABOUT DENSITY FOR YOU GUYS TO HEAR AS WELL AS THE COMMISSION.
I THINK WE HAVE TO BE CAUTIOUS WITH THAT.
I THINK IF WE'RE GOING TO TRY TO DETERMINE SOME DENSITY CALCULATION, WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO EXCLUDE GRANDFATHERED PROPERTIES.
SO IN OTHER WORDS, IF THE PROPERTIES ARE ALREADY THERE AND WE SAY, HERE'S OUR DENSITY CALCULATION AND IT'S ALREADY MET BECAUSE OF EXISTING, I THINK WE COULD GET INTO TROUBLE THERE.
SO IF WE'RE GONNA TALK ABOUT DENSITY, ENCOURAGE YOU TO TALK WITH OUR LEGAL TEAM TO DETERMINE WHAT WE CAN AND CAN'T DO THERE, BECAUSE THERE ARE CERTAIN RESTRICTIONS THAT WOULD COME FROM IMPLEMENTING A, A RANDOM DENSITY AND, AND ON THAT DENSITY FILTER, DOES THE COMMISSION FEEL LIKE THAT SHOULD BE, SHOULD APPLY TO ONE ROOM BED AND BREAKFAST AS, AS WELL AS VACATION RENTALS? IS THERE? I THINK IT'S A VALID QUESTION IN MY MIND.
NO, I MEAN, WE CAN SAY, FOR EXAMPLE, THAT 40%, I WROTE IT DOWN, 40% OF OF PROPERTIES ARE BEING BOUGHT BY SHORT TERM RENTAL THING.
AND I, I THINK GOVERNOR ABBOTT WAS SAID TO DO THAT.
I REMEMBER READING THAT ARTICLE AND THE BACKGROUND TO IT WAS THAT THAT WAS CITED BY SOME COMPANY OR SOME PODCAST THAT THERE WASN'T A WAY TO VERIFY THAT.
AND IF WE APPLIED THAT TO HERE LAST YEAR IN PLANO, THERE WAS SOMETHING LIKE, OH, THERE WAS 2,366 HOMES SOLD.
WELL THAT WOULD MEAN THAT WE ADDED, IF IT'S 40% OF THEM WENT TO SHORT-TERM RENTALS, THAT MEAN WE ADDED OVER 900 SHORT-TERM RENTALS LAST YEAR.
THAT'S NOT HAPPENING IN PLANO.
SO I PERSONALLY BELIEVE THAT IF, IF IT'S A, IT'S A OWNER OF THE HOUSE THAT LIVES THERE AND THEY WANNA RENT OUT ONE BEDROOM, I'M NOT WORRIED THAT THE WHOLE STREET'S GONNA TURN INTO THAT.
ANYONE ELSE CONCERNED ABOUT THAT ISSUE? IT'S A CONCERN, BUT THAT SHOULD THAT BE, I'M NOT CONCERNED ABOUT IT.
I'M, I MEAN, I, OKAY, FROM A DENSITY STANDPOINT, DO WE WANT TO CONSIDER THE PERSON WHO LIVES IN A HOUSE AND RENTS OUT ONE OF THEIR BEDROOMS? DO WE WANT TO CONSIDER THAT IN TERMS OF WHETHER WE ALLOW OR PUT A DENSITY RESTRICTION ON IT, PART OF THAT COMMUNITY FABRIC BEING WITHIN THAT GEOGRAPHICAL LOCATION, THEN I WOULD APPLY THE DENSITY TO PREVENT THAT FOR THE OFFSITE MANAGEMENT VERSUS SOMEONE WHO IS YOUR NEIGHBOR WHO JUST HAPPENS TO RUN OUT THE ROOM.
UM, AND I DON'T WANNA GET TOO FAR HERE.
IS EVERYONE OKAY WITH THE IDEA OF SOME KIND OF DENSITY CALCULATION FOR VACATION RENTALS? YES.
I, I I WOULD SAY I'M AGAINST THE VACATION RENTALS RIGHT NOW FOR LESS THAN 30 DAYS.
I, I, I WOULD, I WOULD LIKE THAT STRUCK AND VACATION RENTALS WOULD BE ANYTHING LESS THAN 30 DAYS.
I WOULD LIKE TO NOT SEE BECAUSE IT OPENS OUR ENTIRE CITY UP TO NOW SHORT-TERM RENTALS.
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WELL, I THINK WE'RE ALREADY LIMITING THEM IN, IN TERMS OF LOCATION, RIGHT? NO, NO, WE'RE NOT.THE VACATION GET YOUR VOCABULARY RIGHT.
SO VACATION RENTALS, IF WE REMOVE THE LIMITED SEASONAL IN THIS MAP, THE, THE BEIGE AREA, OH, I'M SORRY.
THIS LEGEND IS, IS OUT OF, IS INCORRECT.
SO PLEASE IGNORE WHAT THE WORDS SAY.
UM, BUT THE, THE BEIGE COLOR IS, UM, WHERE VACATION RENTALS WOULD BE DISALLOWED, UM, ACROSS THE BOARD.
UM, THE GREEN COLOR AND BOTH, BOTH GREEN COLORS WOULD BE, UM, THE VACATION RENTALS WOULD BE ALLOWED BY RIGHT UNDER THE PURPOSE.
SO WE'VE ESSENTIALLY, WE'VE KIND OF, YEAH.
SO MOVING ON FROM THAT THEN LET'S, LET'S GO BACK TO HER QUESTION, WHICH WAS, DO WE WANT TO CONSIDER THAT ONE BEDROOM OWNER OCCUPIED FROM A DENSITY STANDPOINT? NO.
I CANNOT MAKE A DECISION BECAUSE I DON'T KNOW, THIS ONE ROOM HAS FOUR BEDS OR SIX BEDS OR EIGHT BEDS.
SO THAT'S A GOOD QUESTION IN TERMS OF LIMITATIONS ON THE NUMBER OF RESIDENTS PER OR NUMBER OF PEOPLE IN THAT ONE BEDROOM.
AND I, I, I SHARE THAT, UH, BUT I JUST THINK THERE'S THINGS WE DON'T KNOW.
AND SO IT'S THE UNINTENDED CONSEQUENCES I'M MOSTLY WORRIED ABOUT, WHICH IS WHY I WAS SUGGESTING DENSITY.
UM, BECAUSE AS WE MOVE INTO THIS, YOU KNOW, AS YOU SAID, THIS IS GONNA EVOLVE AND I, I WOULD, ONCE WE GIVE THINGS TO PEOPLE, IT'S IMPOSSIBLE TO TAKE BACK.
AND SO I WOULD ERR ON THE SIDE OF CAUTION IN THAT REGARD.
AND I WOULD REASONABLE, I AGREE COMPLETELY.
OKAY, LET'S NOT GET TOO FAR, WE WON'T GET TOO FAR.
IN MY MIND, I'M LOOKING AT DENSITY FROM TWO DIFFERENT, THERE'S FROM A LOT PERSPECTIVE, HOW MANY PEOPLE CAN BE IN THAT ONE BUILDING PROPERTY PLAT LOT.
THAT'S WHERE THE BEDS VERSUS BEDROOMS QUESTION COMES IN.
THERE'S FROM A, A GEOGRAPHICAL, HOW MANY HOMES DENSITY HAVE THAT, UH, SHORT TERM RENTAL AS A USE TO THAT HOME? THAT'S A DIFFERENT FILTER, RIGHT? SO FOR THE SECOND FILTER, ONSITE MANAGEMENT SHOULD BE TREATED DIFFERENT FROM OFFSITE MANAGEMENT.
AND I DON'T THINK YOU PUT A DENSITY FILTER ON THE SECOND CATEGORY FOR AN ONSITE MANAGER.
YOU PUT THAT ON AN OFFSITE MANAGER BECAUSE THAT GOES AGAINST WHAT WE ARE TRYING TO SOLVE FROM A COMMUNITY FABRIC PERSPECTIVE.
SO LET ME, LET ME APPROACH IT THIS WAY THEN.
CAN YOU, WHEN YOU BRING THIS BACK, MAYBE GIVE US A COUPLE OF OPTIONS REGARDING THE DENSITY, INCLUDING ONE THAT TAKES INTO CONSIDERATION ON ONSITE MANAGEMENT, ONE BEDROOM KIND OF THING.
SO YOU GUYS WERE PROBABLY GONNA DO THAT ANYWAY, BUT I'LL JUST ASK THAT WE DON'T HAVE TO MAKE THE DECISION TONIGHT.
SO, YOU KNOW, IF YOU LOOK AT DEFINITIONS MATTER, AND LIKE I SAID EARLIER, THE DEVIL'S IN THE DETAILS.
SO EXACTLY WHAT IS A BEDROOM? SO WHAT IF I BUILD MY HOUSE AND I BUILD A BEDROOM THAT ESSENTIALLY TURNS IT INTO A HOSTEL? OKAY.
AND NOW I HAVE 12 BEDS IN THERE THAT PEOPLE ARE COMING IN, IT'S ONE BEDROOM.
AND SO I JUST THINK WE HAVE TO SORT THROUGH THAT.
AND I THINK SHE TOOK AWAY THE, THE WHOLE NUMBER OF BEDS THING.
AND I THINK THAT'S ACCURATE BECAUSE TRUST ME, I'VE RENTED AIRBNBS WHERE THEY SAY SIX PEOPLE CAN STAY HERE AND IT'S LIKE 600 SQUARE FEET, YOU KNOW, SO THERE'S TWO OF 'EM THAT SLEEP STANDING UP IN THE CORNER.
BUT IT'S, BUT NOT ONLY THAT, I MEAN, IF YOU GO TO EUROPE, YOU DO SEE HOSTILE STYLE, UH, HOUSING AND RIGHT, UH, AS I SAID, MULTIPLE BEDS AND THOSE KIND OF THINGS.
I, I THINK WE DO WORK PAY ATTENTION TO THE UNINTENDED CONSEQUENCES EVEN ON A ONE BEDROOM UNIT.
BUT LET'S TALK IN TERMS OF REALITY OF WHAT'S PROBABLY OR POTENTIALLY GOING TO HAPPEN VERSUS HERE'S THE WORST CASE SCENARIO AND, AND LET'S GET CONCERNED ABOUT IT.
THEY'VE GOT FEEDBACK THAT WE'RE CONCERNED ABOUT BEDS, WE ARE CONCERNED ABOUT DENSITY IN PARTICULAR WITH NON-OWNER OCCUPIED, UH, SITUATIONS.
I JUST WANNA GO BACK TO KIND OF THE OVERALL GLOBAL VISION, I THINK, AND, AND LET THEM FIGURE OUT THE DEFINITIONS.
BECAUSE IN MY MIND, IF I'VE GOT A GUEST ROOM IN MY HOUSE AND MY KIDS COME TO STAY AND TWO OF 'EM SLEEP ON THE FLOOR, THAT'S FOUR PEOPLE.
IT'S MY GUEST ROOM PEOPLE, EVERYBODY'S GOT A, YOU KNOW, EVERY GRANDPARENTS GOT A GUEST ROOM.
UM, ONCE WE GET TO THE POINT WHERE I'VE GOT MULTIPLE ROOMS THAT ARE BEING OCCUPIED AT A DURATION, THAT CHANGES THE RULES TO ME.
BUT IF IT'S ONE BEDROOM, WHETHER IT'S TWO PEOPLE OR
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FOUR PEOPLE IN THAT BEDROOM, IF IT'S FOR A ONE NIGHT, THAT'S NOT, THAT'S NOT WHAT I'M WORRIED ABOUT.WHAT I'M WORRIED ABOUT IS THAT MULTI BEDROOM OR EMPTY HOUSE THAT'S BEING OCCUPIED BY 20 PEOPLE.
AND SO I JUST WANNA, AND THAT'S WHY FROM A DENSITY PERSPECTIVE, I'M NOT WORRIED ABOUT THE ONE BEDROOM UNITS.
AND MY POINT IS, IF IT'S A ONE BEDROOM THAT TURNS INTO FOUR CONTRACTS BECAUSE THEY'RE TREATING IT LIKE A HOSTILE, THEN THAT'S A PROBLEM.
BUT, AND THAT'S NOT, THAT'S NOT ADDRESSED IN A ONE BEDROOM.
IT'S ONE THING WHEN IT'S COMMERCIAL, NOW WE'RE TALKING ABOUT SOMETHING ELSE.
YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT YOUR KIDS.
THAT'S ONE THING I'M MAKING MONEY ON IT.
I KINDA AGREE WITH, UM, COMMISSIONER BRO, MR. LYLES HAD HIS BUTTON PUSHED OVER THERE FOR FUN ELSE USE THEIR BUTTONS.
JUST ONCE I WAS FOLLOWING THE RULE, YES, YOU WERE.
IT'S, WE'RE STARTING TO GET LOOPY HERE.
I I JUST WANNA FINISH THIS ONE THOUGHT BECAUSE I THINK THERE WILL BE UNINTENDED CONSEQUENCES IF WE WERE GONNA DIS DIFFERENTIATE BB ONE AND BB 2 2 5 AND BB 2 2 5 WILL REQUIRE A LOT OF WORK AND A LOT OF LIMITATIONS AND BB ONE WITHOUT ANYTHING, EVERYBODY WILL TURN INTO BB ONE AND THEY'LL TURN ONE BEDROOM INTO A WHOLE BEDROOM INTO A WHOLE HOUSE.
THAT WOULD ALSO REQUIRE THEM TO HAVE SOMEONE LIVING THERE THOUGH.
I'M JUST TALKING ABOUT BMB TWO AND 4, 2, 2 AND FIVE VERSUS B ONE.
SO LET'S, LET'S LISTEN TO OUR LEGAL COUNSEL.
UM, SO IF, IF YOU ALL ARE TALKING ABOUT RESTRICTING BY BEDROOM OR BED, UM, IF IT'S ONE ROOM AND THERE'S A BED IN IT, AND THEN CAN YOU HAVE TWO PEOPLE AND THEN AS MANY KIDS AS THEY BRING, OR I, I THINK WE NEED A LITTLE MORE GUIDANCE BECAUSE I FIND IT VERY DIFFICULT WHEN YOU SAY GO BY BEDROOM OR GO BY PEOPLE OR GO BY NUMBER OF BEDS.
I MEAN, SOMETIMES YOU PILE THE KIDS IN THE BED.
I MEAN, I THINK CAN YOU, CAN YOU GIVE US JUST A LITTLE MORE DIRECTION THERE SO THAT WE CAN, SO MY, WHENEVER IT COMES TO MULTIPLE CONTRACTS, ALRIGHT, HANG, HANG ON, HANG ON.
LET'S GO BACK TO USING THE BUTTONS.
'CAUSE WE'VE GOTTEN OUTTA CONTROL AND I THOUGHT WE WERE DONE FIVE MINUTES AGO AT LEAST.
ONE SIMPLE QUESTION ABOUT DENSITY.
MR. LYLE, I JUST WANNA MAKE TWO QUICK POINTS.
THIS IS GONNA BE CLOSE TO IMPOSSIBLE, BE CLOSE TO, IMPOSSIBLE TO ENFORCE.
AND IN A RESIDENTIAL DISTRICT, THERE SHOULD BE PEOPLE THAT RESIDE THERE AND LIVE THERE.
OKAY, MR. LAW, UH, TURN YOUR BUTTON OFF MR. BRONSKI.
SO MY CONCERN, UH, ISN'T NUMBER OF PEOPLE YOU CAN PILE INTO A BED, BUT IS THAT WE TURN INTO A EUROPEAN STYLE HOSTILE THAT IS IN OUR CITY THAT HAS FIVE, MAYBE EIGHT PEOPLE THAT ARE ALL UNRELATED INDIVIDUALS WITH ALL DIFFERENT CONTRACTS ALL IN THE SAME NEIGHBORHOOD.
ALL, UH, IN IN, SORRY, IN THE SAME HOUSE YOU MEAN? IN THE SAME HOUSE? UH, IN THE SAME, NO, WHAT I'M SAYING IS IN THE ONE BEDROOM THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT HERE, OWNER OCCUPIED, BUT THEY'VE GOT FOUR OR MAYBE SIX, UM, YOU KNOW, LET'S SAY THREE OR FOUR SETS OF BUNK BEDS AND THEY'VE RENTED OUT EACH ONE.
BUT THE OWNER CAN GO ON VACATION.
MY POINT IS THAT WE HAVE TO BE CAREFUL.
I'M SORRY THAT WE DON'T TURN IT INTO A HOSTILE.
MR. ATLAS, I THINK, AND I, SOMEBODY CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, BUT ON AIRBNB IT LISTS SLEEPS THREE, SLEEPS SIX.
IT SEEMS TO ME THAT'S THE TEST.
I THINK WE'RE, WE'RE TRYING TO MAKE THINGS EVEN MORE COMPLICATED.
HOW ARE THEY ADVERTISING THEIR ROOM IF IT SLEEPS ZERO TO FOUR.
IT'S A B AND B ONE IN ONE ROOM.
YEAH, IN ONE ROOM IT'S A ONE, IT'S A B AND B ONE.
AND THAT IN MY MIND THAT IT'S HOW THEY ADVERTISE IT.
THEY'RE GONNA CHOOSE HOW MANY IT SLEEPS.
I I'M GLAD WE HAVE SMART STAFF AND THEY CAN INTERPRET OUR RAMBLING SOMETIMES AND TURN IT INTO STUFF THAT WE CAN ACTUALLY, UH, COMMISSIONER TOM, WE REALLY NEED CHAIRMAN TO MOVE ON.
CHAIRMAN, I KNOW LAST COMMENT.
I UNDERSTAND THAT YOUR INTENTIONS, AND I AGREE THAT YOU'RE ALL VERY KIND AND GENEROUS AND I'M KIND OF SAME WAY.
HOWEVER, THERE WILL BE, AGAIN, I'M GONNA SAY THAT AGAIN.
THERE WILL BE UNINTENDED CONSEQUENCES IF YOU ALLOW THAT ONE BEDROOM TO BE SPECIAL, THEN FROM THE OTHER REGULATIONS, PEOPLE WILL ALL
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FLOOD INTO THAT ONE BEDROOM AND THEY'LL PUT EVERYTHING IN THERE.HOW DO YOU ENFORCE, DO YOU GO TO EVERY AIRBNB ADVERTISEMENT, LOOK FOR THAT ZERO TO FOUR BEDS VERSUS ONE BEDROOM? HOW DO YOU ENFORCE THAT? SO THAT'S A, THAT'S A, THAT'S A QUESTION FOR COUNSEL TO DEAL WITH, HONESTLY.
AND, AND THE TRUTH IS, THE WAY THE ENFORCEMENT WORKS IS, ARE THERE COMPLAINTS? IF THERE ARE ZERO COMPLAINTS, THE NEIGHBORS DON'T CARE.
BUT WHAT HAPPENS OTHER HAND? WHAT HAPPENS IF THERE'S A DOZEN COMPLAINTS? THEN WHAT DO YOU DO? THAT'S THE REGISTRATION ORDINANCE.
THAT'S WHY WE HAVE A REGISTRATION AND WE HAVE AN ENFORCEMENT ORDINANCE.
AND THAT'S COUNCIL'S ROLE, NOT OURS.
UM, SERIOUSLY, I'M AFRAID TO ASK THIS QUESTION.
WOULD YOU LIKE TO GO SIT DOWN? THAT WOULD BE WONDERFUL.
THAT WOULD BE, THANK YOU SO MUCH.
THAT SHOULD COUNT AS 5,000 STEPS AT LEAST.
I HOPEFULLY ISN'T ANYONE HERE FOR THE SILVER LINE STATION
WELL, BUT YOU WERE HERE FOR THE OTHER THING TOO.
THANK YOU ALL AGAIN FOR BEING HERE TONIGHT.
UM, OBVIOUSLY WE TAKE THIS SERIOUSLY DESPITE MY LIGHTHEARTED.
SOMETIMES THAT'S JUST AN ATTEMPT TO MAKE SURE THAT EVERYONE UNDERSTANDS, EVERYONE LAUGHS WE'RE ALL THE SAME.
WE ALL JUST CARE ABOUT THE CITY AND WE'RE LOOKING FOR A WAY TO GET THROUGH THIS.
UH, I REALLY APPRECIATE THE WAY MR. BRUNO PUT, IT'S SOME BALANCE, RIGHT? WE DON'T WANT PEOPLE GETTING THEIR HOUSE SHOT WITH A A, A BULLET.
WE DON'T WANT PARTIES GOING ON NEXT DOOR.
IT'S JUST GONNA TAKE SOME EFFORT BY ALL OF US.
AND, UH, SO ALL RIGHT, IT'S 10 58.
WE'LL TAKE FIVE MINUTES TOPS, BE BACK
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ASSOCIATED WITH THIS AREA, AND THANK YOU FOR TURNING MY MIC ON.UH, JASON, YOU WANNA WRAP US UP HERE? SURE.
[4. (JA) Discussion and Direction: Silver Line Station Areas Plan Update – Informational update on the progress of the Silver Line Station Areas Plan. Project #DI2024-004. Applicant: City of Plano]
UM, COMMISSION.MY NAME IS JASON APRIL, SENIOR MOBILITY PLANNER.
IN THE INTEREST OF TIME, I'M GOING TO CUT TO THE VERY END OF MY PRESENTATION.
UM, WE'VE PROVIDED A STAFF REPORT MARCH FOUR, MARCH 4TH, AND
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THEN THIS PREVIOUS STAFF REPORT.SO OBVIOUSLY IT'S A VERY EXCITING TIME FOR THE SILVER LINE STATION AREAS PLAN.
WE'RE MOVING, KIND OF FINISHING THE ENGAGEMENT THAT WE'VE HAD SINCE APRIL, 2023 WHEN WE ASSEMBLED THE PROJECT ADVISORY GROUP.
UM, AND NOW WE ARE BEGINNING TO TAKE THE INFORMATION THAT WE'VE HEARD.
WE HAVE DEVELOPED FRAMEWORKS THAT OUTLINE THE FUTURE VISION FOR LAND USE, TRANSPORTATION AND OPEN SPACE AND CHARACTER AROUND THE STATION AREAS.
AND THAT WAS ALL INCLUDED IN YOUR PACKET.
UM, AND SO WHAT WE'RE DOING NOW IS WE'RE MOVING INTO THE IMPLEMENTATION PHASE.
HOW DO WE CRAFT THE LANGUAGE TO MAKE THE FRAMEWORKS THAT WERE PRESENTED IN YOUR STAFF REPORTS A REALITY? SO FOLLOWING DIRECTION FROM THE COMMISSION, AND BASED UPON ANY PUBLIC INPUT THAT WE'VE RECEIVED, STAFF WILL DEVELOP THE FULL DOCUMENT.
THE IMPLEMENTATION PLAN WILL BE INCLUDED, WILL INCLUDE PROACTIVE STRATEGIES AND ACTIONS NEEDED TO ADVANCE DIVISIONS OUTLINED IN THE FRAMEWORK PLAN.
SO BASICALLY NO ACTION IS REQUIRED AS PART OF THIS ITEM, BUT WE ARE SEEKING DIRECTION.
AND SO I JUST NEED TO PICK YOUR BRAINS JUST A LITTLE BIT MORE ON ANYTHING THAT YOU SAW IN THE DRAFT FRAMEWORK PLANS IN THE STAFF REPORTS FROM MARCH 4TH OR MARCH 18TH.
UM, SPECIFICALLY DIRECTION ON THE PROPOSED LAND USE RECOMMENDATIONS, UH, TRANSPORTATION AND OPEN SPACE OR OTHER IDEAS.
AND AGAIN, WE'VE DISTILLED FEEDBACK THAT WE'VE HEARD SINCE APRIL 23.
WE'VE DEVELOPED FRAMEWORKS THAT OUTLINE THE VISION, AND NOW WE'RE GONNA MOVE INTO THE IMPLEMENTATION WHERE WE WRITE ABOUT AND PUT TOGETHER HOW, UH, THE FRAMEWORKS CAN BE DRAFTED.
WE WILL BE BACK, UH, TO THE COMMISSION WITH THE FULL PLAN.
SO WE WILL HAVE THE IMPLEMENTATION PLAN DRAFTED AND IT'LL COME FOR PUBLIC COMMENT AND THE COMMISSION WILL BE ABLE TO SEE THAT AGAIN.
SO THANK YOU
UM, I'M LOOKING 'CAUSE I'M, I'M SURE THERE'S SOME FEEDBACK AND COMMENTARY.
MR. RAT, I WAS JUST WAITING TO SEE IF YOU'RE READY.
UM, OVERALL, I I, I WAS PART OF THE PROCESS, SO I'M FAMILIAR WITH IT PROBABLY MORE THAN, UM, I NEED TO BE.
UM, BUT OVERALL IT'S A GREAT DOCUMENT.
I STILL HAVE SOME CONCERNS ABOUT, UM, THE, FOR LACK OF A BETTER TERM, PRECISION BY WHICH WE'VE DEFINED SOME TRANSPORTATION CORRIDORS AND SOME POTENTIAL PARK SITES.
AND, AND I, I WANT TO, AND I KNOW Y'ALL PUT SOME WORDS IN THIS REPORT, WHICH I APPRECIATE THAT SAID, WE'RE NOT DEFINING BOUNDARIES AND WE'RE NOT IDENTIFYING SPECIFIC PROPERTIES, WHICH IS GREAT.
UM, BUT I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT WE CONTINUE TO REPEAT THAT BECAUSE I THINK THERE IS SOME CONCERN SPECIFICALLY IN THE 12TH STREET AREA, UM, ABOUT SPECIFIC PROPERTIES THAT LOOK LIKE THEY'VE BEEN IDENTIFIED, UM, TO HAVE A ROAD CUT THROUGH 'EM OR HAVE A PARK BUILT THERE, HAVE A PARKING LOT BUILT THERE AND, AND, UH, I THINK THAT IS CREATING SOME ANGST IN THE COMMUNITY.
AND SO, UM, I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT WE ARE REALLY CLEAR IN THE FINAL PLAN THAT THIS IS A VISION, IT'S NOT INTENDING TO IDENTIFY CERTAIN TRACKS.
AND I AGREE WITH YOU AND THAT WOULD'VE BEEN EVIDENT THROUGH MY PRESENTATION.
SO YES, I'M GLAD YOU BROUGHT THAT UP.
OTHER THAN THAT, IT'S A GOOD, IT'S A GREAT DOCUMENT OVERALL.
UH, I DON'T SEE ANYBODY ELSE'S BUTTONS PUSHED MR. ALI.
OKAY, NOW, NOW WE'VE GOT STUFF GOING
NOW ALL, THEY'RE ALL CATCHING UP.
OKAY, I HAVE A COUPLE QUESTIONS.
ONE IS AT THE, ALL THE, IN INDUSTRIAL DISTRICTS SURROUNDING THE, UM, THE RESIDENTIAL AREA AND THE MIXTURE, ARE THOSE EXISTING AREAS THAT ARE ALREADY THERE OR THEY'RE, THEY'RE THE, UH, PROPOSED ZONING? SO THE FRAMEWORK PLANS DON'T REPRESENT ZONING.
SO IN GENERAL, SO IF YOU'RE REFERRING TO THE LIGHT INDUSTRIAL, THE EVOLVING INDUSTRY, THOSE IN SOME WAY, SHAPE OR FORM CURRENTLY HAVE LIGHT INDUSTRIAL, FOR INSTANCE, THE LIGHT INDUSTRIAL DISTRICT IS REALLY NOT A LOT OF CHANGE FOR THAT.
THE EVOLVING INDUSTRY KIND OF HAS A MIX AND WOULD ALLOW SOME ADAPTIVE REUSE AND MORE COMBINATION OF COMMERCIAL AND, UH, LIGHT INDUSTRIAL.
JUST SOME OF THEM ALREADY THERE, LIKE THE LIGHT INDUSTRIAL DISTRICT IS ALREADY THERE.
BUT THE EVOL EVOLVING ONE ARE THE ONES THAT THEY'RE CHANGING INTO IT.
IT, IT ALLOWS FOR, FOR CHANGE.
IT, IT ALLOWS FOR REDEVELOPMENT, IT ALLOWS FOR ADAPTIVE REUSE.
IN THAT CASE, THE LIGHT INDUSTRIAL, WHICH I BELIEVE IS, UM, EAST OF N AVENUE THAT GENERALLY WILL STAY, SHOULD STAY THE SAME THAT'S THERE TODAY.
THAT'S WHAT THE PLAN RECOMMENDS.
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INDUSTRY IS A LITTLE BIT OF A, OF A MELD.I'M JUST A LITTLE CONCERNED OF HAVING THE INDUSTRY, UM, KIND OF A INDUSTRIAL USE RIGHT NEXT TO THE RESIDENTIAL AND THE MIXED USE, UM, THE, THE IMPACT ON THE, UM, THE, THE, THE LIVES OR THE MAYBE THE FUTURE USE OF THE RESIDENTS THERE.
SO I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S KIND OF A, A TRADITIONAL OR IS IT SOMETHING THAT, UH, WE CAN CONSIDER HAVING SOMETHING DIFFERENT? IT'S SORT OF COMMON.
MOST OF THAT IS ALREADY ZONED LIGHT INDUSTRIAL ONE THAT'S, AND THEY ARE INDUSTRIAL BUILDINGS TODAY, BUT THEY'RE THE, UM, THOSE BUILDING FORMATS ARE NOT REALLY CONDUCIVE TO TODAY'S INDUS LIGHT INDUSTRIAL NEEDS.
THE CEILING HEIGHTS ARE VERY LOW, THINGS LIKE THAT.
SO IT WOULD BE ALLOWING THEM TO TRANSITION OUT OF, OUT OF INDUSTRIAL AND INTO ADAPTIVELY RE REUSED FOR BREWERIES OR THINGS LIKE THAT.
KIND OF MORE BOUTIQUEY TYPE COMMERCIAL NEEDS.
SO THAT EVOLVING INDU INDUSTRIAL IS ALLOWING THE CURRENT ONE CHANGING INTO SOMEWHAT COMMERCIAL OR RETAIL.
UM, SOME OF MY COMMENTS ARE GRANULAR AND SOME OF THEM I'LL PROBABLY SEND TO YOU THAT, UM, RATHER THAN JUST REVIEW THEM TONIGHT THAT YOU CAN DISTRIBUTE AS YOU DESIRE.
BUT, YOU KNOW, JUST A COUPLE THINGS.
YOU KNOW, ONE OF THE AREAS IS DOUGLASS AND I, I THINK IT'S ALL OF OUR GOAL TO PROTECT DOUGLASS FROM GENTRIFICATION.
UM, AS, AS ALL OF THIS, YOU KNOW, MOVES THROUGH, I THINK, UM, ONE OF THE THINGS WE COULD DO IS, UM, LOOK AT CALMING SOME OF THE TRAFFIC THROUGH DOUGLAS.
I KNOW WE HAVE OTHER PLANS FOR THAT.
AND YOU KNOW, CITIZENS, I'VE HEARD THAT, YOU KNOW, THERE'S SOME ISSUES WITH TRAFFIC FLOW THROUGH THERE SO THAT, YOU KNOW, AGAIN, THIS IS GRANULAR STUFF.
UM, ALL OF THIS I THINK CAN ALL BE BENEFITED WHILE THE PLAN I, I THINK IS SOLID CAN BE BENEFITED BY REALLY INCREASING THE RIDERSHIP ON DART.
AND I DON'T KNOW HOW MUCH INFLUENCE WE CAN HAVE ON THAT, BUT, YOU KNOW, EVERYTHING I KNOW IS THE RIDERSHIP IS, IS IS PRETTY PATHETIC OVERALL.
AND SO MAYBE, YOU KNOW, MAYBE IT'S A CHICKEN EGG OR BUILD IT AND THEY WILL COME, I DON'T KNOW.
BUT, UM, UNTIL WE GET BETTER RIDERSHIP, ALL OF THESE PLANS I THINK ARE GOOD, BUT I DON'T KNOW WHAT THEY MEAN.
AND I THINK ONE OF THE THINGS WE COULD DO TO HELP THE, THE RIDERSHIP IS REALLY AS A CITY, BE FOCUSED ON SAFETY AROUND THESE SITES ESPECIALLY.
AND, UM, SO I'VE HEARD FROM A NUMBER OF PEOPLE THAT THEY HAVE CONCERNS WITH WRITING THIS AT CERTAIN TIMES BECAUSE IT, MAYBE IT'S NOT AS SAFE AS THEY WISH IT WERE.
UM, YOU KNOW, I I, I DON'T KNOW WHAT OUR PLANS ARE AT SOME OF THESE EXTENSIONS WITH 13TH AND 12TH.
UM, AND YOU KNOW, I, I HAVE CONCERNS FOR THE PEOPLE THAT OWN PROPERTY ON 13TH RIGHT NOW THAT WE'VE GOT A HASH LINE THROUGH SOME OTHER STUFF.
AND SO IF WE'RE GONNA DO IT, LET'S FIGURE OUT WE'RE GONNA DO IT.
OR IF WE'RE NOT, LET'S TAKE THE HASH LINES OFF.
I, I, I DON'T KNOW, I, I'M CONCERNED ABOUT, AGAIN, ALL THIS IS GRANULAR, BUT I HAVE CONCERNS ABOUT THAT.
UM, AND, UM, AND, AND I WONDER IF THERE'S AN OPPORTUNITY TO REDUCE OR ELIMINATE THROUGH ALL OF THIS, SOME OF THE MINIMUM PARKING NEEDS.
SO I HATE TO BRING UP PARKING WITHOUT HIM HERE, HERE, BUT, UM, YOU KNOW, BUT MAYBE HE COULD COME BACK.
BUT I, I THINK I DO THINK WE SHOULD LOOK AT WHERE WE CAN DO THAT.
AGAIN, I, WE'VE HAD THAT DISCUSSION ON, ON THIS COMMISSION SO MANY TIMES NOW.
UM, BUT I GUESS THOSE WOULD BE MY COMMENTS, SO THANK YOU, UH, MR. OLLIE.
UH, ACTUALLY I HAD A QUESTION AND I OPENED UP THE WRONG PDF, UM, BUT MORE COMMENT, BOTH OF WHAT COMMISSIONER CAREY SAID, UM, WOULD BE MORE INTERESTED TO SEE HOW THIS IMPACTS THE DOUGLAS COMMUNITY.
YOU KNOW, I WOULD HATE TO SEE ANYTHING THAT CHANGES KIND OF LIKE THE, THE VIBE AND THE NATURE OF THAT COMMUNITY.
AND TO THE COMMENT ON, UM, FROM WHAT I CAN SEE, THE STREET, THE ATTENTION TO STREETSCAPE AND LIGHTEN AND WHAT HAVE YOU, UM, SHOULD, UH, BE ALERT TO GET PEOPLE TO BE MORE INCLINED TO USE, UM, DART.
BUT JUST MORE THAN ANYTHING, ENSURING A FOCUS ON KEEPING THE FABRIC OF THE DOUGLAS COMMUNITY.
WELL, ONE THING I WANT TO ADD TO, TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION ABOUT THE DOUGLAS COMMUNITY.
SO WE DO, WE ARE NOT RECOMMENDING IN THE PLAN ANY CHANGES TO THE LAND USE CHARACTER OF DOUGLAS.
AND WE ARE PROPOSING A THREE STORY MAXIMUM HEIGHT TRANSITION AREA AND THE HATCH.
SO THAT'S BETWEEN THE TRANSITIONAL MIXED JUICE AND THE DOUGLAS NEIGHBORHOOD TO ACT AS A, A BUFFER AS IT WERE BETWEEN DEVELOPMENTS THAT WOULD LIKELY OCCUR CLOSER TO THE STATION AND TO SEPARATE THEM A LITTLE BIT FROM THE DOUGLAS AREA.
SO THAT, THAT WAS A CONCERN AND A COMMENT THAT WE HEARD MANY TIMES THROUGHOUT THE, THE,
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UH, ENGAGEMENT PROCESS FOR DOUGLAS.UM, OVERALL, I THINK IT WAS A VERY IMPRESSIVE JOB.
UM, THE ONLY OBSERVATIONS I WOULD MAKE ARE THAT, UM, A LOT OF THE NEIGHBORHOODS WITHIN THE STUDY AREA ARE PRETTY WELL ESTABLISHED ALREADY, AND I JUST DON'T SEE THEM CHANGING, ESPECIALLY THE SINGLE FAMILY.
FOR EXAMPLE, THE SINGLE FAMILY NEIGHBORHOOD ON THE NORTH SIDE OF 14TH STREET, UH, IN THE SHILOH STATION AREA, THE, UM, UM, THE OLD DOWNTOWN AREA, THE 15TH, 14TH AND 15TH STREET AREA.
BUT THOSE ARE PRETTY ESTABLISHED.
UM, I SEE MORE ROOM FOR, UH, REVITALIZATION IN THE AREA SOUTH OF THE RAILROAD TRACK.
BUT, AND HAVING SAID THAT, I THINK YOUR STUDY PROPERLY FOCUSED ON BROAD CATEGORIES OF LAND USE, UM, TO ALLOW SOME FLEXIBILITY IN WHAT HAPPENS.
UM, THE QUESTION MARK I HAVE IS, THERE ARE TWO POTENTIAL PARK SITES IDENTIFIED SOUTH OF 14TH STREET ON PAGE 1 28.
I WOULD THINK MAYBE YOU WOULD WANNA STAY AWAY FROM PROPOSING SPECIFIC PROJECTS, BECAUSE WHEN YOU PUT THAT DOWN THERE, UH, YOU MIGHT BE CREATING THE IMPRESSION THAT THE CITY'S ABOUT TO, YOU KNOW, USE IMMINENT DOMAIN TO SEIZE PROPERTY AND, AND BUILD A PARK.
AND THAT COULD AFFECT PROPERTY VALUES, THAT IT MIGHT INHIBIT THE ABILITY OF THE CURRENT PROPERTY OWNERS TO, TO SELL THEIR PROPERTY.
SO I, I WOULD PROBABLY FOR A DOCUMENT LIKE THIS MIGHT WANT TO ADVISE STAYING AWAY FROM SPECIFIC PROJECT PROPOSALS AND STICK TO BROAD LAND USE CATEGORIES.
CHAIRMAN, I ACTUALLY HAD THIS QUESTION EARLIER.
UM, WE HAD SOME RENTAL BIKES BEFORE IN DOWNTOWN AREA.
DO YOU REMEMBER THAT? I, I DON'T KNOW WHAT HAPPENED TO IT.
MAYBE NOT MANY USE OF IT, BUT I DON'T KNOW IF THIS WILL BE A GOOD CHANCE TO BRING IT BACK.
'CAUSE NOW WE HAVE MORE, UM, LIKE PEDESTRIAN TRAFFIC, MAYBE BACK TRAFFIC.
IS THERE ANY PLAN ON GETTING THOSE RENTAL BAGS? ARE YOU REFERRING TO THE BIRD, UH, SCOOTERS IN THE, SOME IN DOWNTOWN AREA? YEAH, UHHUH.
SO THE CITY IS WORKING, UM, WITH BIRD AND THEY, FROM WHAT I UNDERSTAND THE PROCESS, THEY WORK WITH THE CITY ON WHERE THEY SHOULD GO AND WHERE THEY SHOULD NOT GO.
SO THERE'S DEFINITELY AN OPTION TO ADD THAT IT'S ALL ABOUT FIRST MILE, LAST MILE CONNECTIONS.
HOW WILL PEOPLE GET FROM THE STATION OUT IN THE STATION AREAS? MM-HMM.
UH, MY PRIMARY PIECE OF ADVICE, UH, RESPONSE FEEDBACK IS JUST TO, AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE COMMUNICATE THE IDEA THAT THIS IS A BROAD VISION AND NOT A SPECIFIC PLAN.
BECAUSE ASSUMPTIONS CAN BE MADE, DOLLARS COULD BE INVESTED.
THERE'S A LOT OF THINGS THAT COULD HAPPEN.
PEOPLE MAKE POOR DECISIONS WHEN THEY ARE GIVEN POOR INFORMATION.
AND IF THEY TAKE THIS AS THIS IS SOLID INFORMATION VERSUS A GENERAL IDEA, I THINK IT, IT COULD GIVE THE WRONG MESSAGE.
I WOULD LIKE TO REITERATE SOMETHING, COMMISSIONER CAREY BROUGHT UP, NOT SURE HOW WE MANAGE THIS, BUT UM, I WOULD ACTUALLY LOVE TO SEE A POLICE SUBSTATION OR SOMETHING BROUGHT, DROPPED INTO THIS AREA.
ANY PLACE WHERE YOU HAVE POSSIBLE, UM, POSSIBILITY OF, AND I HATE USING THIS WORD 'CAUSE IT WAS USED VERY NEGATIVELY EARLIER AND I DON'T WANT TO TIE THESE TWO TOGETHER, BUT A TRANSIENT POPULATION IN THIS AREA, I JUST, I THINK THAT WOULD BE GOOD.
WE HAVE, YOU KNOW, DOWNTOWN BENEFITS FROM THIS, YOU KNOW, THE POLICE STATION BEING RIGHT THERE AND THEY STILL HAVE ISSUES AND I CERTAINLY DON'T WANT TO INCREASE OR BRING INTO THE DOUGLAS COMMUNITY ELEMENTS THAT WOULD KIND OF DEGRADE FROM THAT.
SO THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT I'VE GOT.
ANYTHING ELSE? I DON'T SEE ANY LIGHT SIGN.
SO, UH, I WANNA WRAP UP WITH THIS, WHICH IS, UH, I APPRECIATE TONIGHT WHAT YOU GUYS DID AND I THINK YOU SHOULD TAKE NOTE OF THE FACT THAT WHEN WE FINISHED ITEM THREE, WE GOT APPLAUSE FROM BOTH SIDES OF THE HOUSE.
THAT'S NOT COMMON, BUT THAT SAYS THAT THEY APPRECIATE THE SERIOUSNESS WITH WHICH WE APPROACHED IT AND THAT WE LISTENED TO ALL OF THEM.