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FOURTH, 2004, PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION MEETING, UM, TONIGHT, CHAIRMAN DOWNS IS NOT WITH US, AND SO I'LL BE SITTING IN ON HIS BEHALF.
I'LL CALL THE MEETING TO ORDER AT 7:00 PM AND WOULD YOU ALL PLEASE RISE AND JOIN US IN THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE IP ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS, ONE NATION UNDER GOD INVISIBLE WITH LIBERTY TO JUSTICE.
GENERAL COMMENTS OF PUBLIC INTEREST.
THIS PORTION OF THE MEETING IS TO ALLOW UP TO THREE MINUTES PER SPEAKER WITH 30 TOTAL MINUTES OF ITEM ON ITEMS OF INTEREST OR CONCERN AND NOT ON ITEMS THAT ARE ON THE CURRENT AGENDA.
THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION MAY NOT DISCUSS THESE ITEMS, BUT MAY RESPOND WITH FACTUAL OR POLICY INFORMATION.
THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION MAY CHOOSE TO PLACE THIS, THE ITEM ON A FUTURE AGENDA.
THE PRESIDING OFFICER MAY MODIFY THESE TIMES AS DEEMED NECESSARY.
ARE THERE ANY REGISTERED SPEAKERS FOR US TONIGHT? THERE'S NO REGISTERED SPEAKERS.
WE'LL CLOSE THIS ITEM AND WE'LL MOVE
[CONSENT AGENDA ]
TO THE CONSENT AGENDA.THE CONSENT AGENDA WILL BE ACTED UPON IN ONE MOTION AND CONTAINS ITEMS WHICH ARE ROUTINE AND TYPICALLY NON-CONTROVERSIAL ITEMS MAY BE REMOVED FROM THIS AGENDA FOR INDIVIDUAL CONSIDERATION BY COMMISSIONERS OR STAFF.
WE HAVE, WE HAVE NO REGISTERED SPEAKERS AND WE HAVE TWO REGISTERED OPINIONS ON ITEM B, ONE FOR OPPOSITION AND ONE NEUTRALITY.
AND I HAVE TWO REGISTERED SPEAKERS FOR ITEM D AND THEY'RE THE APPLICANTS IF THEY'RE NEEDED.
AND SO THERE ARE NO REGISTERED SPEAKERS, BUT WE DO HAVE TWO FOR D, WHICH ARE LARGELY IF IN FACT WE HAVE QUESTIONS.
IS THAT RIGHT? THIS IS CORRECT.
SO, UM, DOES ANYONE WISH TO PULL ANYTHING FROM THE CONSENT? I'D LIKE TO PULL ITEM B.
THEY'RE, THEY'RE ADJACENT PROPERTIES, SO THEY'RE ESSENTIALLY THE SAME QUESTIONS FOR BOTH OF THEM.
SO, UH, WITH THOSE PULLED, UM, FROM THE CONSENT, THEN UM, I SUGGEST WE GO AHEAD AND APPROVE THE BALANCE OF THE CONSENT IF, UH, AND WE WILL ENTERTAIN A MOTION TO THAT EFFECT.
I MOVE THAT WE APPROVE THE CONSENT AGENDA WITH ITEMS B AND C POLLED.
WE HAVE A MOTION BY COMMISSIONER BRONSKI AND A SECOND BY COMMISSIONER BENNETT TO, UM, PULL THOSE AND TO PASS IT WITH THOSE PULLED.
SO, UM, IF YOU WOULD PLEASE VOTE.
THEN WHY DON'T WE JUST TAKE A SHOW OF HANDS AND, UM, SO PLEASE, UH, HERE WE GO.
OKAY, AND THAT ITEM PASSES WITH A VOTE OF SEVEN TO ZERO.
SO, UM, NOW WE'LL MOVE TO PUBLIC HEARINGS.
[Items b & c]
YOU.CAN I JUST ASK A FEW QUESTIONS, THE STAFF? YEAH, PLEASE DO.
UM, ITEMS B AND C, ITEM B, REVISED SITE PLAN, ACCENT PLAZA BLOCK A LOT.
ONE RESTAURANT WITH DRIVE THROUGH ON ONE LOT ON ONE ACRE, LOCATED AT THE SOUTHEAST CORNER OF PLANO PARKWAY AND ACCENT DRIVE ZONE CORRIDOR COMMERCIAL AND LOCATED WITHIN THE ONE 90 TOLLWAY PLANO PARKWAY OVERLAY DISTRICT.
APPLICANT IS KENEN CORPORATION, THIS IS FOR ADMINISTRATIVE CONSIDERATION.
ITEM C, REVISED SITE PLAN, ACCENT PLAZA BLOCK A LOT TWO RETAIL ON ONE LOT ON 7.9 ACRES LOCATED ON THE EAST SIDE OF ACCENT DRIVE, 1 45 SOUTH OF PLANO PARKWAY ZONE CORRIDOR COMMERCIAL AND LOCATED WITHIN THE ONE 90 TOLLWAY PLANO PARKWAY OVERLAY DISTRICT.
THIS IS FOR ADMINISTRATIVE CONSIDERATION.
AND NOW WE HAVE SOME QUESTIONS ON IT.
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UH, MIKE, I'LL JUST ASK YOU, IT LOOKS, WHAT IS THE REASON FOR THIS NEW SITE PLAN? THEY ARE ADDING A PATIO ADDITION AND IT REQUIRES ADDITIONAL PARKING SPACES.SO THEY'VE ADJUSTED THE BOUNDARY LINE TO ADD IN A FEW ADDITIONAL, UH, PARKING SPACES.
AND THEN THE ACCOMPANYING ITEM ON ITEM C IS JUST TO REFLECT THAT CHANGE IN LOT LINE.
SO THE AREA THAT'S A PA GOING TO BE A PATIO ON THE NEW SITE PLAN WAS A PLAYGROUND AREA, IS THAT CORRECT? THAT'S RIGHT.
IT WAS THE PLAYGROUND FOR THE CHICK-FIL-A AND WHAT WAS THE PARKING RATIO FOR THE PLAYGROUND AREA? IT'S, UM, ONE SPACE PER 100 SQUARE FEET.
SO EVERY A HUNDRED SQUARE FEET THEY ADDED, THEY HAD TO ADDED, HAD TO ADD A, UM, PARKING SPACE.
SO A DRIVE THROUGH IS ONE TO 100 FOR PATIO, A RESTAURANT IS ONE TO 100, INCLUDING PATIO SPACE.
A RESTAURANT IS ONE TO 100, CORRECT.
BUT MY QUESTION WAS, WHAT WAS THE EXISTING PARKING REQUIREMENT FOR THE CHICK-FIL-A FOR THE PARK AND PLAYGROUND AREA? UH, I DON'T HAVE THAT INFORMATION ON HAND, BUT I CAN LOOK IT UP AND TRY TO GET IT FOR YOU.
AND SO THEY'RE TAKING THE 750 SQUARE FEET AND MAKING IT A PATIO.
HOW MANY MORE SPACES DID THAT REQUIRE? AND IF WE DON'T KNOW THE MATH ON WHAT WAS ALREADY THERE FOR THE PLAYGROUND AREA, HOW DO WE KNOW THAT THEY NEEDED ANYMORE? SO WE COMPARED THE EXISTING SITE TO THE PROPOSED ADDITION BASED ON THE ADDITIONAL A HUNDRED SQUARE FEET, I BELIEVE IS MAYBE SEVEN SPACES OR REQUIRED.
AND YOU SEE THEY WERE ADDED ALONG THAT PROPERTY LINE THAT SHARES WITH THE PGA STORE SITE.
SO THE, THE THREE THERE TO THE EAST WERE ALREADY THERE.
AND THEN I GUESS THESE FOUR GETTING ADDED.
IT WAS FOUR ADDITIONAL REQUIRED PARKING SPACES.
AND SO I WAS JUST CURIOUS WHY, UH, THERE'S 37 PARKING SPOTS ON THE SITE.
I THOUGHT WE JUST PASSED A 10% REDUCTION.
AND SO WAS THE REDUCTION NOT SUFFICIENT TO ALLOW THEM TO DO THIS WITHOUT GOING THROUGH THIS WHOLE SITE PLAN PROCESS? UM, NO.
IN, IN ADDITION WAS NOT REQUESTED.
THEY WERE WELL INTO THIS PLAN BEFORE THAT REDUCTION WAS REQUIRED, SO, OR WAS APPROVED.
SO THIS WAS, THIS HAS BEEN IN, IN PROCESS, IN THIS, IN THIS FORMAT FOR SOME TIME.
AND IF, IF THEY WEREN'T ALREADY DOWN THE ROAD IN THE PROCESS, WOULD THE REDUCTION THAT WAS PASSED HAVE SOLVED THIS VERY WELL? COULD HAVE, YES.
UNDER WHAT AREA OF THE ORDINANCE WOULD IT HAVE SOLVED THIS? SO THE NEW ORDINANCE ALLOWS ADDITIONS TO REQUEST A 10% REDUCTION IN PARKING FROM STAFF AND A 20% FROM THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION.
10% FROM STAFF, 20% FROM THE P AND Z? THAT'S RIGHT.
SO IS THAT UNDER 16.1200 PARKING REDUCTION PROGRAM? NO, THE PARKING REDUCTION PROGRAM WAS THE PREEXISTING INFORMATION.
SO HAS OUR ZONING ORDINANCE BEEN UPDATED TO REFLECT THE NEW STUFF? IT HAS, YES.
IN WHAT AREA? I CAN FIND THE ZONING ORDINANCE.
THAT IS SECTION 16.1 HUNDRED C PROVISIONS FOR INFILL REDEVELOPMENT AND EXPANSIONS OF BUILDING SPACE.
GOT PRELIMINARY SITE PLAN ON THAT? YEAH, I'M NOT SURE WHAT YOU'RE LOOKING AT.
UM, THE ZONING ORDINANCES POSTED ONLINE RIGHT NOW.
16 100 DOESN'T HAVE A C FROM WHAT I CAN SEE FROM WHAT I PRINTED TODAY, BUT YEAH, WE CAN SEE WHAT SOURCE YOU HAVE.
I'M LOOKING AT THE ONE POSTED TO THE PLANNING WEBSITE.
THAT'S WHERE I WENT TODAY TO FIGURE THIS OUT.
SO IT, WITH THE NEW THING THAT WAS PASSED, IT COULD HAVE, IT COULD HAVE HAPPENED.
IT COULD HAVE HAPPENED, BUT THEY WERE ALREADY WELL UNDER THE DESIGN PHASE AT THIS POINT.
AND ALL OF THESE QUESTIONS, THEY MAY SEEM SILLY, BUT I'M JUST TRYING TO UNDERSTAND WHAT WE PASSED AND WHY THEY DIDN'T GO THROUGH THAT PROCESS, BECAUSE IT SEEMS LIKE IT WOULD'VE BEEN SIMPLER THAN TWO NEW SITE PLANS.
SO THANK Y'ALL FOR ANSWERING QUESTIONS.
ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS? COMMISSIONER LYLE, OR ANYONE ELSE? THAT'S ALL I'VE GOT.
AND WITH THOSE QUESTIONS I'D MAKE A MOTION TO, UH, WELL, I DO HAVE ONE.
SO WITH THE NEW ORDINANCE GOING FORWARD, UM, IS IT THE INTENTION OF STAFF TO MAKE SURE THAT, UM, APPLICANTS KNOW THAT THEY CAN REQUEST REDUCTIONS OR IS THAT SOMETHING THAT'LL BE ON THEIR SHOULDERS TO KNOW THE ORDINANCE? UM, BECAUSE I THINK THERE'S GENERAL CONSENSUS ON THIS COMMISSION THAT WHERE WE DON'T NEED EXTRA PARKING, WE SHOULD TRY TO AVOID IT.
SO I'M JUST CURIOUS HOW WE MAY MANAGE THAT GOING FORWARD.
YEAH, I THINK IT'S, IT'S SOMETHING WE'LL BE ADVISING WHEN IT COMES UP, ESPECIALLY FOR THE INSTANCE JUST LIKE THIS, IT WOULD'VE BEEN A GOOD ONE.
UM, BUT AGAIN, THEY WERE SO FAR ALONG.
I THINK THEY WERE, THEY WERE, UM, IN A PLATTING
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ISSUE AT THAT POINT.NOT IN A SITE PLAN ISSUE THAT HAS DELAYED THEM TO GETTING TO THIS POINT, BUT YES, I PERFECT.
OKAY, SO WITH THAT I'D MAKE A MOTION TO PASS ITEM B AND C ON THE CONSENT AGENDA AS PROPOSED.
SECOND, WE HAVE A MOTION TO PASS B AND C BY COMMISSIONER LYLE, SECOND BY COMMISSIONER BRONSKI, PLEASE VOTE.
AND THAT ITEM CARRIES BY SEVEN TO ZERO.
[1. (JK) Public Hearing – Preliminary Replat & Revised Site Plan: Collin Creek Free Will Baptist Church, Block A, Lot 1R – Religious facility and commercial antenna on one lot on 2.7 acres located on the north side of Parker Road, 1,400 feet west of Jupiter Road. Zoned Agricultural. Projects #PR2024-005 and #RSP2024-004. Applicant: Collin Creek Free Baptist Church of Plano TX (Administrative consideration) ]
WITH THAT, LET'S MOVE TO, UM, ITEM ONE.AGENDA ITEM NUMBER ONE, PUBLIC HEARING, PRELIMINARY REPL AND REISE SITE PLAN.
WILL BAPTIST CHURCH BLOCK A LOT ONE R RELIGIOUS FACILITY AND COMMERCIAL ANTENNA ON ONE LOT ON 2.7 ACRES LOCATED ON THE NORTH SIDE OF PARKER ROAD.
1400 FEET WEST OF JUPITER ROAD.
ZONED AGRICULTURAL APPLICANT CALLING CREEK FREE BAPTIST CHURCH AT PLANO, TEXAS.
THIS IS FOR ADMINISTRATIVE CONSIDERATION.
MY NAME IS JOHN KIM PLANNER WITH THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT.
THE RE PRELIMINARY RELA IS RECOMMENDED FOR APPROVAL SUBJECT TO ADDITIONS AND ARE ALTERATIONS TO THE ENGINEERING PLANS AS REQUIRED BY THE ENGINEERING DEPARTMENT.
HERE'S THE PRELIMINARY REPL AND THE REVISED SITE PLAN IS RECOMMENDED FOR APPROVAL.
ESTIMATED I'M AVAILABLE FOR ANY QUESTIONS.
ANY QUESTIONS, TECHNICAL QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? OKAY, HEARING NONE I WILL, OH, I'M SORRY.
THE PURPOSE FOR THE COMMERCIAL ANTENNA, DO YOU, DO YOU KNOW WHAT IT'S FOR? I BELIEVE IT'S A COMMERCIAL MOBILE ANTENNA.
MOBILE ANTENNA ANTENNA MEANING IT MOVES OR, OH NO, LIKE, UH, MOBILE BOOST MOBILE NETWORKS LIKE TELEPHONE.
ANY MORE QUESTIONS? OKAY, WE'LL NOW OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING AND UM, DOES THE APPLICANT WISH TO ADDRESS THE COMMISSION? NO.
ARE THERE ANY SPEAK REGISTERED SPEAKERS FOR THIS ITEM? THERE ARE NONE.
WHILE I'LL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING CONFINE COMMENTS TO COMMISSION AND STAFF, I MOVE, WE APPRO APPROVE AGENDA ITEM NUMBER ONE, THE PRELIMINARY REPL AND THE REVISED SITE PLAN AS RECOMMENDED BY STAFF.
SECOND, WE HAVE A MOTION BY COMMISSIONER BRONSKI AND A SECOND BY COMMISSIONER OLLIE, PLEASE VOTE.
AND THAT ITEM PASSES SEVEN TO ZERO.
[2. (JR) Public Hearing: Zoning Case 2024-001 – Request for a Specific Use Permit for a 95-foot Commercial Antenna Support Structure on 0.1 acre located 235 feet north of Democracy Drive and 220 feet east of Partnership Road. Zoned Commercial Employment. Project #ZC2024-001 Petitioner: C.A. Bass, LLC (Request to table) ]
LET'S MOVE TO ITEM TWO PLEASE.AGENDA ITEM NUMBER TWO, PUBLIC HEARING ZONING CASE 2 0 2 4 DASH 0 0 1.
REQUEST FOR A SPECIFIC USE PERMIT FOR A 95 FOOT COMMERCIAL ANTENNA SUPPORT STRUCTURE ON 0.1 ACRE LOCATED 235 FEET NORTH OF DEMOCRACY DRIVE AND 220 FEET EAST OF PARTNERSHIP, ROAD ZONE COMMERCIAL EMPLOYMENT APPLICANT IS CA BASS, LLC.
BE INTERIM LEAD PLANNER IN THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT.
UH, THIS IS A ZONING CASE FOR A PROPOSED 95 FOOT TALL COMMERCIAL ANTENNA SUPPORT TOWER.
THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING TO TABLE THIS TO A FUTURE MEETING AND STAFF RECOMMEND, UM, ACCEPTING THE APPLICANT'S REQUEST.
UH, HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THAT COMMISSION MIGHT HAVE.
OKAY, ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF COMMISSIONER BRONSKI, UH, MR. ERBE? THANK YOU.
UH, SO MY FIRST QUESTION IS, UM, CAN YOU EXPLAIN TO US, UH, THE PURPOSE FOR THE TABLING? FOR SURE.
SO THERE IS AN ASSOCIATED REPL WITH THIS APPLICATION THAT REPL IS NOT IN, UH, SHAPE TO MOVE FORWARD AT THIS TIME.
THE APPLICANT IS ALSO WORKING TO REDESIGN THE TOWER, WHICH MAY RESULT IN AN INCREASE IN HEIGHT, UH, THAT WOULD REQUIRE RE NOTICING, UM, THE ZONING CASE AS WELL.
AND, UH, WE'RE ALL ON BOARD WITH THAT.
UH, YES, THE REDESIGN WAS, UM, ENCOURAGED BY STAFF.
THE, UM, APPLICATION THAT CAME IN WAS FOR A 95 FOOT TALL, UH, ARTIFICIAL TREE.
AND THE APPLICANT IS LOOKING AT DOING, DOING A FLAG LIST FLAG POLL INSTEAD.
SO I I, I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A RECOMMENDATION, UH, JUST IN GENERAL.
I THINK IT MIGHT HELP, UH, BOTH FOR TRANSPARENCY FOR THE CITIZENRY
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AS WELL AS FOR THOSE OF US ON P AND Z.IF YOU GUYS COULD PROVIDE JUST A LITTLE BIT MORE DETAIL IN YOUR RECOMMENDATIONS WHENEVER IT'S, ESPECIALLY WHEN IT'S TABLING SO THAT WE HAVE A LITTLE BIT, DON'T HAVE TO GO THIS BACK AND FORTH, WE CAN TAKE THAT UNDER ADVISE.
YEAH, I, I THINK THAT'S A GOOD COMMENT AND IF POSSIBLE, ONE QUESTION I WAS GONNA HAVE IS DO WE KNOW WHEN THEY'RE TABLING IT TOO? SO IF THAT INFORMATION'S AVAILABLE AND IF WE COULD HAVE THAT, THAT'D BE FANTASTIC JUST TO GIVE US A LITTLE INSIGHT.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? OKAY, WELL, WITH NONE WE WILL NOT OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING.
DOES THE APPLICANT WISH TO ADDRESS THIS? I HAVE NO REGISTERED SPEAKERS.
UM, NOW WE WILL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND WE WILL NOW COMBINE COMMENTS TO COMMISSIONER STAFF.
I, UH, SUGGEST THAT WE FOLLOW THE RECOMMENDATION OF, UH, STAFF AND WE TABLE, UH, AGENDA ITEM NUMBER TWO TO A FUTURE DATE, SECOND UNSPECIFIED FUTURE DATE.
WE HAVE A MOTION TO TABLE BY COMMISSIONER BRONSKI AND A SECOND BY COMMISSIONER OLLIE, PLEASE VOTE.
AND THAT MOTION PASSES BY SEVEN TO ZERO.
[3. (DS) Public Hearing: Zoning Case 2024-004 – Request to expand Specific Use Permit No. 660 for Household Care Institution from 0.3 acre to 0.6 acre on two lots located on the north side of 19th Street, 400 feet west of N Avenue. Zoned General Office. Project #ZC2024-004 Petitioner: Agape Resource & Assistance Center, Inc. (Legislative consideration) ]
MOVE TO NUMBER THREE, PLEASE.AGENDA ITEM NUMBER THREE, PUBLIC HEARING ZONING CASE 2 0 2 4 DASH ZERO FOUR.
REQUEST TO EXPAND SPECIFIC USE PERMIT NUMBER SIX SIX FOR HOUSEHOLD CARE INSTITUTION FROM 0.3 ACRES TO 0.6 ACRES ON TWO LOTS LOCATED ON THE NORTH SIDE OF 19TH STREET, 400 FEET WEST OF NORTH AVENUE.
CORRECTION N AVENUE ZONE GENERAL OFFICE APPLICANT IS AGAPE RESOURCES AND ASSISTANCE CENTER, INC.
THIS IS FOR LEGISLATIVE CONSIDERATION.
WE HAVE FOUR REGISTERED OPINIONS ON THIS ITEM.
ALL FOUR ARE IN SUPPORT OF GOOD EVENING COMMISSIONERS.
MY NAME IS DONNA VEDO, SENIOR PLANNER WITH THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT.
THIS IS A REQUEST TO EXPAND SPECIFIC USE PERMIT NUMBER SIX 60 FOR HOUSEHOLD CARE INSTITUTION.
HOUSEHOLD CARE INSTITUTIONS ARE FACILITIES THAT PROVIDE RESIDENTS AND CARE TO EIGHT OR MORE PERSONS REGARDLESS OF LEGAL RELATIONSHIP WHO ARE ELDERLY, DISABLED, ORPHANED, ABANDONED, OR NEGLECTED CHILDREN.
VICTIMS OF DOMESTIC VIOLENCE RECOVERING FROM ILLNESS OR RENDERED TEMPORARILY HOMELESS DUE TO FIRE, NATURAL DISASTER OR FINANCIAL SETBACK.
THE SUBJECT PROPERTY IS HIGHLIGHTED IN YELLOW.
ON THE NORTH SIDE IS A RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOOD ON THE EAST AND WEST SIDES ARE EXISTING OFFICE BUILDINGS.
AND ON THE SOUTH SIDE IS AN EXISTING SCHOOL.
THE PROPERTY OUTLINED IN RED IS CURRENTLY OPERATING AS A HOUSEHOLD CARE INSTITUTION WITH A RESTRICTION OF 20 RESIDENTS.
THE PROPERTY HIGHLIGHTED IN BLUE IS CURRENTLY BEING USED AS OFFICES FOR THE HOUSEHOLD CARE INSTITUTION AND THIS IS WHERE THE APPLICANT WOULD LIKE TO EXPAND THEIR HOUSEHOLD CARE INSTITUTION.
UM, AND APPLICANT IS PROPOSING TO LIMIT THIS BUILDING TO 20 RESIDENTS AS WELL FOR A TOTAL OF 40 RESIDENTS BETWEEN THE TWO BUILDINGS.
THE PROPERTY IS DESIGNATED DOWNTOWN CORRIDORS ON THE FUTURE LAND USE MAP AND THIS REQUEST WAS REVIEWED AGAINST OUR COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
THIS REQUEST DOES MEET THE DESCRIPTIONS AND PRIORITIES AS WELL AS THE MIX OF USES OF THE FUTURE LAND USE MAP AND DASHBOARDS.
WE DID RECEIVE THREE RESPONSES WITHIN 200 FEET.
TWO ARE IN SUPPORT AND ONE IS NEUTRAL.
WE RECEIVED FOUR RESPONSES, TWO IN SUPPORT, ONE NEUTRAL, AND ONE IN OPPOSITION.
AND JUST TO SUMMARIZE, THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING TO UTILIZE THE PROPERTY FOR AN EXPANSION OF AN EXISTING HOUSEHOLD CARE INSTITUTION, WHICH INCLUDES PROVIDING TEMPORARY HOUSING AND ASSOCIATED SERVICES FOR THEIR PROGRAM PARTICIPANTS.
THE APPLICANT IS PROPOSING TO LIMIT THE RES NUMBER OF RESIDENTS TO 20 PER BUILDING.
THE REQUEST IS IN CONFORMANCE WITH THE POLICIES OF THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AND FOR THESE REASONS, STAFF IS SUPPORTIVE OF THE REQUEST.
I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS AND THE APPLICANT IS HERE WITH A PRESENTATION AS WELL.
DO WE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF COMMISSIONER LEY? UH, QUICK QUESTION AS AT THE TIME THE SUP WAS GRANTED IN 2015, DID THE APPLICANT OWN BOTH PLATS? I AM NOT SURE AT THE TIME IF THEY OWNED BOTH PROPERTIES, BUT THEY DO OWN BOTH PROPERTIES AT THE MOMENT.
THE SU PS ATTACHED TO THE PLAT, UM, AND WE ARE RECOMMENDING
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MAXIMUM NUMBER OF RESIDENTS OF 20 PER BUILDING, IF THAT BUILDING SIZE EVER CHANGES WHERE IT CAN ACTUALLY ACCOMMODATE MORE THAN 20.DO THEY HAVE TO COME BACK TO REQUEST A LIFTING OF THAT RESTRICTION? WHAT'S THE MECHANICS THERE? OR CONVERSELY, THE BUILDER SIZE SHRINKS AND NOW I CAN HAVE TWO HUS BEING SILLY.
DOES THAT 20 NOW, IS IT ATTACHED TO BUILDING OR IS IT ATTACHED TO EIGHT GRADE OR IS IT ATTACHED TO THE PLA TRYING TO UNDERSTAND.
IT'S JUST ATTACHED TO THE PROPERTY.
SO THE RESTRICTION WOULD STAND AT 20 PER BUILDING.
IF THEY, UH, WANTED TO INCREASE THAT, THEY WOULD NEED TO COME BACK AND AMEND THE SUP IN THE FUTURE TO ADD ADDITIONAL, UM, TO ADD ADDITIONAL RESIDENCE.
I'D LIKE TO ADD, I'M SURE THERE ARE BUILDING OCCUPANCY NUMBERS THAT THEY WOULD HAVE TO COMPLY WITH.
WE FELT COMFORTABLE WITH THE 20 PER BUILDING BECAUSE OF PARKING REQUIREMENTS A LOT.
COVERAGE HEIGHT WOULD, WOULD BE LIMITING FACTORS ANYWAY, SO THERE'S, I'M LUCKY THEY WOULD GET MORE BUILDINGS.
COMMISSIONER LYLE, NOTICING THE ZONING IS GENERAL OFFICE IS THIS TYPE OF USE OF WORK IN GENERAL OFFICE? YEAH, IT IS.
IT IS ALLOWED THROUGH THIS SPECIFIC USE PERMIT PROCESS.
SO IT'S UP TO THIS COMMISSION TO DECIDE IF IT'S APPROPRIATE IN THIS SPECIFIC PROPERTY.
I WAS JUST SEEING IF IT WAS A PD, BUT IT'S DEFINITELY, IT'S NOT A PD.
WERE THERE ANY OTHER STIPULATIONS THAT WERE A PART OF THE ORIGINAL SUP? NO, IT WAS JUST THE 20 RESIDENTS.
NO OTHER QUESTIONS? UM, GREAT.
WE'LL NOW OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING AND, UH, DOES THE APPLICANT WISH TO ADDRESS THE COMMISSION? THAT'D A YES.
UH, I HAVE A JANET COLLINSWORTH WITH AGA AND PENELOPE DIAZ.
YEAH, PLEASE JUST GIVE US YOUR NAME AND YOUR ADDRESS PLEASE.
MY NAME IS JANET COLLINSWORTH AND MY ADDRESS IS 7 7 0 9 WINDSOR IN THE COLONY.
THANK YOU ALL VERY MUCH FOR CONSIDERING OUR APPLICATION HERE.
I'M GONNA TELL YOU A LITTLE BIT ABOUT AGAPE AND I HOPE BY THE TIME I'M FINISHED I'LL ANSWER SOME OF THE VERY GOOD QUESTIONS THAT YOU'VE ASKED, PARTICULARLY ABOUT HOW WILL THIS ACCOMMODATE AND WHO IT IS WE'RE GOING TO BE SERVING, PERHAPS.
SO AGAPE RESOURCE AND ASSISTANCE CENTER, WE PROVIDE HOUSING AND WRAPAROUND SUPPORT SERVICES, SOCIAL SERVICES FOR HOMELESS SINGLE WOMEN, MOMS AND THEIR CHILDREN.
AND OUR WHOLE FOCUS IS TO EMPOWER THEM THROUGH OUR SUPPORT SERVICES, TO OUT TO OVERCOME HOMELESSNESS AND POVERTY AND ABUSE AND MOVE ON TO FULFILLING SELF-SUSTAINING LIVES.
90% OF THE WOMEN THAT WE SERVE ARE ABUSE SURVIVORS.
EVERYTHING FROM VERBAL ABUSE, ABUSE, UH, SEXUAL ABUSE AND TRAFFICKING.
AND IF 90% OF OUR WOMEN ARE SURVIVORS, THEN 90% OF OUR CHILDREN ARE ALSO SURVIVORS.
WE HAVE A TWO GENERATIONAL PROGRAM THAT HELPS THE CHILDREN OVERCOME THE TRAUMA THAT THEY'VE EXPERIENCED AS WELL.
OUR PROGRAM IS TRAUMA BASED CARE.
UM, WE BEGAN IN 2013, SO WE'RE A LITTLE BIT OVER 10 YEARS OLD, AND I AM THE FOUNDER.
WE BEGAN BECAUSE THE HOMELESSNESS IN, UH, COLLIN COUNTY.
I'VE RAISED MY KIDS HERE IN COLLIN COUNTY.
IT WAS INCREASING, UH, AND, AND I RAISED MY KIDS KIDS AND I DIDN'T SEE IT.
I, AT THAT TIME, I'M A PASTOR.
AND WE CREATED A FOOD PANTRY THERE AND WE BEGAN TO TALK TO THE FOLKS ABOUT, YOU KNOW, WHY ARE YOU COMING IN FOR FOOD? HOW ELSE CAN WE HELP YOU? AND I LEARNED THAT FOOD INSECURITY WAS JUST THE TIP OF THE ICEBERG, THAT REALLY WHAT WAS HAPPENING IS WE HAD HOMELESS INCREASING AND THAT HOMELESS HAS INCREASED SINCE THEN.
NOW YOU CAN SEE IT ON OUR STREETS.
THESE ARE ALL, UM, WITHIN FOUR OR FIVE BLOCKS FROM WHERE WE'RE SITTING RIGHT HERE TODAY.
THEY ARE ON, UH, 18TH STREET, UH, AVENUE K.
AND THEN ACTUALLY THAT'S A LITTLE BIT FARTHER.
THAT'S, UH, OVER ON, UH, JUPITER.
UH, WE DON'T HAVE A HOMELESS SHELTER.
UH, WHEN I STARTED THIS ADVENTURE, IT WAS IN 2012 AND THERE WERE A HANDFUL OF AGENCIES THAT PROVIDED, UH, HOUSING ABOUT LESS THAN 300 BEDS.
AND THOSE AGENCIES, WE DON'T HAVE AN EMERGENCY SHELTER IN COLLIN COUNTY.
THOSE AGENCIES WERE TURNING AWAY IN 2012, ABOUT 4,000 INDIVIDUALS EVERY YEAR.
75% WERE WOMEN-LED FAMILIES AND THERE WASN'T A PLACE FOR THEM TO GO.
SO THAT'S WHY WE CREATED AGAPE.
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UH, WE HAVE SEEN HOMELESSNESS INCREASE EVEN MORE SIGNIFICANTLY.YOU CAN SEE THEM ON OUR STREETS.
AND THE, THE REASON FOR THIS MOST RECENTLY IS THE INCREASE IN ESCALATING RENTS THAT WE SEE HERE.
YOU ALL ARE VERY FAMILIAR WITH THAT.
BUT TO GIVE YOU JUST A FEW STATISTICS, UM, THESE ARE UPDATED THROUGH NOVEMBER OF 2023.
AND THIS IS A, UH, AVERAGE ONE BEDROOM APARTMENT IN PLANO HAS INCREASED 52% SINCE DECEMBER OF 2019.
AND THAT'S RIGHT BEFORE COVID.
AND SO NOW THAT RENT TODAY AS OF NOVEMBER IS $1,700 A MONTH.
THAT'S FAR MORE THAN OUR $11, $15 AN HOUR WOMEN CAN AFFORD.
AND THAT'S WHY THEY'VE BECOME HOMELESS IN ADDITION TO THE ABUSE.
UM, SO OUR, UH, SUCCESS RATE IS 75%.
IN THOSE 10 YEARS WE'VE SERVED OVER 270 WOMEN AND CHILDREN.
OVER 75 FAMILIES WITH 86 CHILDREN HAVE GRADUATED WITH HIGHER INCOME, ABLE TO TAKE CARE OF THEMSELVES AND THEIR CHILDREN WITH VOCATIONAL JOBS.
OUR AGENCY IS ANCHORED IN EDUCATION TO HIGHER INCOME BECAUSE YOU CAN'T SUSTAIN YOUR FAMILY ON 12 TO $15 A YEAR.
SO WE PAY FOR, THEIR HOUSING IS FREE, WE PAY FOR CHILDCARE, WE PAY FOR EDUCATION, WE PAY FOR TRANSPORTATION, WE HELP THEM WITH THAT.
AND WE PAY FOR COUNSELING AND WE PAY FOR HEALTH AND WELLNESS.
THEY PAY 15% OF WHAT WE PAY OUT OF OUR POCKET.
SO THEY HAVE SKIN IN THE GAME AND THEY ARE COMMITTED TO CHANGING THEIR LIVES.
AND LIKE I SAID, WE HAVE 75% SUCCESS RATE WITH THIS.
UM, OUR MISSION IS TO PROVIDE HOUSING AND TRANSFORMATIONAL SUPPORT SERVICES TO HOMELESS WOMEN, MOMS AND THEIR CHILDREN THAT EMPOWER THEM.
THIS IS NOT A REST AND NEST PLACE.
THEY HAVE TO DO THE WORK TO MOVE OUT OF CRISIS AND POVERTY INTO FULFILLING SELF-SUSTAINING LIVES.
HOW DO WE DO THIS? WE DO THIS WITH A VERY HOLISTIC WRAPAROUND PROGRAM.
I'VE TOLD YOU THAT WE HAVE FIVE PILLARS, HOUSING, NOT JUST PROVIDING HOUSING, BUT WHY AREN'T YOU RENTABLE? WHY CAN'T YOU RENT? AND THEN WE START WORKING ON THOSE BARRIERS.
IF YOU DON'T EARN ENOUGH, THEN WE'RE GONNA SEND YOU TO SCHOOLS SO YOU CAN GET CERTIFICATIONS AND EDUCATIONS.
WE HAVE, UH, EVERYTHING FROM GED TO PHD WOMEN.
SO IT'S NOT A AN INDIVIDUAL DEMOGRAPHIC, BUT SOMETHING HAS HAPPENED.
WE ARE SITUATIONALLY HOMELESS.
BY AND LARGE, SOMETHING HAS HAPPENED THAT HAS RENDERED THEM HOMELESS FOR THE PREDOMINANT NUMBER, 90% OF THEM THAT SOMETHING IS ABUSE.
SO, UH, DEVELOPMENTAL CHILDCARE, UH, A MOM THAT'S THAT'S MAKING $15 AN HOUR CAN'T AFFORD CHILDCARE AND TO WORK FULL TIME.
SO WE PAY FOR THEIR CHILDCARE SO THAT THEY CAN WORK AND GO TO SCHOOL.
UM, TRANSPORTATION, OVER 50% OF OUR WOMEN THAT COME TO US DON'T HAVE TRANSPORTATION OR DON'T HAVE RELIABLE TRANSPORTATION OR DON'T HAVE LEGAL TRANSPORTATION.
SO WE HELP THEM GET ALL OF THOSE THINGS, UH, EDUCATION TO HIGHER INCOME.
WE HELP THEM FIGURE OUT WHAT THEY WANNA BE WHEN THEY GROW UP AND WHAT THEY WANNA BE WHEN THEY CAN TAKE CARE OF THEMSELVES.
AND WE ENROLL THEM IN CALLING COLLEGE AND WE WORK WITH TEXAS WORKFORCE, OR THEY HAVE CERTIFICATIONS.
WE HAVE EVERYTHING FROM, UM, PROJECT MANAGERS TO NURSES WHEN THEY GRADUATE.
SO IT IS ACTUALLY VERY SUCCESSFUL.
WHAT WE FIND IS THESE WOMEN ARE TRAUMATIZED AND THEIR, UH, IMMUNE SYSTEMS ARE VERY LOW, ESPECIALLY DURING COVID.
WE THOUGHT WE WERE GONNA LOSE SOME OF OUR WOMEN.
SO IT'S, WE'VE REALLY COMMITTED TO THIS HEALTH AND WELLNESS, UM, AREA OF OUR FOCUS.
WE HAVE PAID FOR SURGERIES, WE'VE PAID FOR DENTAL WORK BECAUSE IF THEY CAN'T FOCUS IN THEIR JOB BECAUSE THEIR TEETH HURT OR THEY GET SICK, THEN THEY'RE NOT GONNA BE SUCCESSFUL.
SO THAT'S ANOTHER BARRIER THAT WE HELP THEM OVERCOME.
SO NOW WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO IS EXPAND THE, THE INCREASE IN HOMELESSNESS IS ALSO AN INCREASE IN THE DEMOGRAPHIC THAT WE SERVE.
WE HAVE SUCCESSFULLY USED THE, UM, UH, EASTERN BUILDING.
THIS IS ALL ON ONE PIECE OF PROPERTY.
NO, WE DID NOT OWN ALL OF BOTH BUILDINGS, BUT WE DID OWN ONE UNIT IN THE 1315, THE WESTERN PROPERTY.
AND SO LITTLE BY LITTLE BY LITTLE WE'VE BOUGHT, THESE ARE OFFICE CONDOMINIUMS BY THE WAY.
SO THEY'RE FOUR INDIVIDUAL, UPSTAIRS, DOWNSTAIRS, CONDOMINIUMS. AND SO LITTLE BY LITTLE WE'VE BOUGHT EACH ONE OF THOSE, UH, QUADS UNTIL FINALLY WE OWNED A WHOLE BUILDING AND THEN WE COULD COME AND GET A SPECIAL USE PERMIT.
SO OUR LONG-TERM PLAN WAS TO EVENTUALLY OWN THEM BOTH THEIR SISTER BUILDINGS, BASICALLY IDENTICAL, A FEW SMALL CHANGES.
AND OUR GOAL WAS TO EVENTUALLY TURN ALL OF THEM INTO, UH, HOUSING.
SO BECAUSE THEY'RE OFFICE CONDOS, WE REMODEL THEM INTO, UM, APARTMENTS.
AND I'LL SHOW YOU A A PICTURE OF IT.
THE 1325, THE ONE THAT WE GOT IN, UH, 20, UH, 15 HAS PROVIDED
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JUST THAT ONE.THIS IS NOT ALL OF OUR PROPERTY, BUT JUST THAT ONE BUILDING HAS PROVIDED SAFE, STABLE HOUSING FOR 88 WOMEN AND THEIR CHILDREN.
46 WOMEN LED FAMILIES AND 42 CHILDREN IN JUST THAT NUMBER OF YEARS.
WHAT IS THAT? UH, EIGHT YEARS.
SO WE EXPECT TO DO THE SAME WHEN WE EXPAND, THERE'S, THESE FOUR OFFICES ARE TURNED INTO FOUR TOWN HOMES.
SO EACH TOWN HOME SERVICES TO FAMILIES, AND THIS IS, IT'S VERY SMALL, BUT HOPEFULLY YOU CAN SEE IT.
THEY EACH HAVE THEIR OWN, EACH HOUSEHOLD HAS THEIR OWN BEDROOM AND THEN THEY SHARE THE COMMON AREAS.
IT'S TOTALLY, IT LOOKS LIKE A TOWN HOME WHEN YOU WALK INTO IT.
AND THEY'RE VERY NICE AND THEY FEEL LIKE HOME.
YOU CAN SEE THE OUTSIDE OF 'EM.
IT'S ALL GARDEN AND GREEN ALL THE WAY AROUND IT.
SO THEY'RE VERY PROUD OF WHERE THEY LIVE.
AND OUR KIDS HAVE A PLACE TO PLAY.
THERE'S BACKYARDS IN THE BACK OF THE NORTHERN, UH, STRIPS ON BOTH BUILDINGS.
SO THEY HAVE A PLACE TO PLAY AND THEY HAVE SAFE PLACES TO LIKE THE ENCLOSED WHERE IT SAYS AGAPE, THAT'S AN ENCLOSED, UH, PORCH ON THE BACK OF ONE OF OUR BUILDINGS.
SO WE ALSO HAVE A CHILDREN'S, UH, PROGRAM MANAGER.
SO SHE WORKS WITH THEM TO GET THEM UP TO AGE APPROPRIATE ACADEMICS AND, UM, DEVELOPMENT.
SO WE, UH, DEFINITELY FOCUS ON THE WHOLE, WHOLE FAMILY.
SO THAT'S WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO.
WE ALREADY HAVE ONE SPECIAL USE PERMIT OR SPECIFIC USE PERMIT.
WE'RE JUST TRYING TO EXPAND IT TO, UH, COVER BOTH BUILDINGS.
UH, WE WON'T REMODEL THEM RIGHT AWAY.
WE, WE'D LIKE TO REMODEL THE NORTHERN TWO RIGHT AWAY AND THEN RETAIN THE SOUTHERN TWO IN 1315, THE WESTERN BUILDING FOR OUR OFFICES SO THAT WE'RE RIGHT THERE WITH OUR FAMILIES PROVIDING THE SERVICES THAT THEY NEED.
AND THIS IS OUR WONDERFUL ARCHITECT.
I WILL, UH, ASK FOR ANY QUESTIONS FROM YOU AND THEN TURN IT OVER.
IS THAT, CAN I DO THAT? IS THAT THE RIGHT WAY TO DO THAT? SURE, THAT'S FINE.
YOU GUYS OBVIOUSLY ARE PROVIDING A VERY NEEDED SERVICE AND IT SOUNDS LIKE YOU'RE DOING IT REALLY FANTASTICALLY.
SO, UM, DO WE HAVE, UH, ANY, ANY QUESTIONS FOR THIS? SORRY.
I I DO HAVE ONE QUESTION THAT'S OKAY.
FOR, FOR YOUR SUCCESSFUL, UH, UH, TENANTS THERE.
HOW, WHAT'S THE AVERAGE STAY UNTIL THEY, THEY MOVE ON SUCCESSFULLY? SO IT'S ABOUT A YEAR.
WE GIVE THEM A GRADUATION DATE IN THE FIRST 30 DAYS.
SO IF IT'S A SINGLE WOMAN WITH NO CHILDREN, WE GIVE HER A TARGET GRADUATION DATE OF ABOUT SIX MONTHS OUT.
IF IT'S A MOM WITH KIDS, WE GIVE HER A GRADUATION DATE OF ABOUT A YEAR OUT.
AND IF THEY'RE WORKING THE PROGRAM, WE HAVE METRIC, WE KEEP MORE METRICS THAN BASEBALL DOES.
SO IF THEY'RE KEEPING THEIR METRICS AND, AND FOLLOWING THE PROGRAM AND PROGRESSING ON THEIR OWN PLAN, THEN AT THAT YEAR MARKER, ACTUALLY BEFORE THREE MONTHS BEFORE THEY CAN APPLY FOR ANOTHER EXTENSION.
SO LIKE, IF THEY WERE IN SCHOOL AND NOT QUITE FINISHED, AND IF THEY GOT TO STAY ANOTHER THREE TO SIX MONTHS AND ALLOWED THEM TO FINISH AND GET A JOB, WE WOULD, WE WOULD SUPPORT THAT.
OKAY, WELL, IF WE HAVE NO QUESTIONS, UM, OH, I'M SORRY, A COUPLE.
NOW WE HAVE SOME COMMISSIONER BRUNO.
UM, CONGRATULATIONS ON THE WORK THAT YOU DO.
IT'S A NECESSARY SERVICE AND I WISH YOU ALL THE SUCCESS IN THE WORLD.
I'M, UH, CURIOUS AS TO, UM, WHEN THE, THE WOMEN AND YOUR PROGRAM APPROACH THEIR GRADUATION DATES.
DO YOU HELP THEM WITH THE TRANSITION OUT TO PRIVATE HOUSING, FOR EXAMPLE,
WE BEGIN THREE MONTHS IN ADVANCE AND WE, UM, TRY VERY HARD TO HELP THEM FIND APARTMENTS WITHIN THEIR EARNING POWER.
AND BY THEN THEY WOULD HAVE INCREASED, BUT PROBABLY NOT ALL THE WAY UP TO THEIR VOCATIONAL, UM, UH, INCOME AT THAT POINT.
HOPEFULLY THEY'LL HAVE A JOB IN THAT VOCATION AFTERWARDS.
SO THAT HAS BEEN, UM, A VERY BIG PROBLEM FOR US THROUGH COVID AND AFTER COVID AND BE OKAY.
SO BECAUSE OF THAT, UM, WE ARE BUILDING AFFORDABLE HOUSING IN WILEY, TEXAS.
WE'RE BUILDING 38 UNITS OF INCOME BASED HOUSING IN WILEY, TEXAS.
30 TO 40% OF THOSE UNITS WILL BE EARMARKED FOR OUR AGAPE GRADS BECAUSE EVEN WITH, WITH WHAT HAS HAPPENED, WE'VE HAD GRADS COME BACK DURING COVID AND THEN JUST IN THE LAST SIX MONTHS WE'VE HAD FOUR GRADS COME BACK BECAUSE WHEN THEIR RENT, WHEN THEIR LEASE WAS UP, WHEREAS THEY COULD AFFORD THE OLD RENT, THEY CAN'T AFFORD THE NEW AND WE DON'T EVER WANT THEM TO BE HOMELESS AGAIN.
SO THEY'VE COME BACK IN AND WE'RE TRYING TO HELP THEM FIND AND VERY SUCCESSFULLY, WE'RE VERY EXCITED ABOUT, UM, AVENUE K LOFTS.
WE JUST PLACED ONE OF OUR WOMEN IN THERE AND, UM,
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WE'RE, SO, WE, WE WORK VERY HARD TO HELP THEM FIND HOUSING THAT THEY CAN AFFORD.UM, COMMISSIONER BRONSKI? I DON'T HAVE A QUESTION, BUT I I HAVE A COMMENT.
I JUST WANNA SAY, UH, SO I, UH, GREW UP IN A FAMILY WITH VICIOUS DOMESTIC VIOLENCE AND WE DIDN'T HAVE AN OPTION.
AND I'M SO THANKFUL THAT WE HAVE PEOPLE LIKE YOU THAT PROVIDE THAT POSSIBILITY TO BREAK FREE FROM THE HORROR THAT MY FAMILY HAD TO LIVE THROUGH.
AND SO MANY HERE IN PLANO HAVE TO LIVE THROUGH EVERY DAY.
SO I JUST, I JUST WANNA SAY THANK YOU.
THANK YOU COMMISSIONER ALL VERY MUCH.
THIS IS COMPLETELY OFF, OFF TOPIC.
I'M JUST CURIOUS HOW, WHAT, WHAT, WHERE DO YOU GET YOUR FUNDING FROM FOR, FOR US, FOR TO RUN YOUR PROGRAM? RIGHT.
UH, WE SEE LITERALLY MIRACLES EVERY DAY BY OUR SUPPORT SYSTEM THROUGH OUR GRANTS IS ABOUT A THIRD OF OUR, UH, SUPPORT.
UM, OUR DONOR BASE IS AT LEAST 60 TO 70% FAITH GROUPS OR INTEREST GROUPS THAT REALLY BELIEVE IN GIVING WOMEN A CHANCE AND CHILDREN A CHANCE.
AND THEN THE REST OF IT, UH, USED TO BE EVENTS POST COVID, WE'RE MAKING THAT MOSTLY UP BY MORE, UM, PUBLIC SUPPORT AND GRANT SUPPORT.
SO IT'S, IT'S, UM, PART OF THE CHALLENGE OF RUNNING A NONPROFIT.
AND THEN LASTLY, ARE Y'ALL ASSOCIATED WITH THE GROUP THAT'S NEXT TO THE FIRE STATION? NO, THAT'S EMILY'S PLACE.
WE ARE VERY SIMILAR, BUT WE HAVE DIFFERENT GOALS, UH, AS, AS FAR AS VOCATIONAL GOALS IS KIND OF OUR ANCHOR, BUT WE COLLABORATE AND WE WORK TOGETHER SO THAT WE DON'T DUPLICATE.
WE BOTH PROVIDE LIFE SKILLS, UH, BUDGETING AND ABUSE, UH, TRAUMA OVER, YOU KNOW, UM, OVERCOMING IT.
AND SO WE'RE TRYING TO NOT DUPLICATE, BUT COLLABORATE BY HAVING ONE CLASS FOR ALL OF OUR WOMEN.
AND WE, WE DO THAT, UH, IN THE LOCAL GOOD CENTER RIGHT DOWN THE STREET.
SO WE KIND OF HAVE THIS LITTLE ENCLAVE OF, UM, SUPPORT RIGHT THERE AT THE END OF 19TH ON EITHER SIDE OF THE FIRE STATION AND THEN S OF 19TH.
THANK YOU FOR THE WORK YOU DO.
WELL FANTASTIC LADIES, THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
CHRISTIE, DO WE HAVE ANY SPEAKERS? THERE ARE NONE.
OKAY, WELL WITH NONE THEN I WILL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND I WILL CONFINE COM.
UH, COMMENTS TO COMMISSIONER AND STAFF.
SO MR. CHAIRMAN, UH, IT'S WITH PRIDE THAT, UH, I MOVE THAT WE APPROVE AGENDA ITEM NUMBER THREE, UH, AS RECOMMENDED BY STAFF.
AND, UH, I'M SO THANKFUL FOR THE WORK THAT THEY DO.
SECOND, WE HAVE A PRIDEFUL MOTION, WHICH I THINK WE ALL AGREE WITH.
AND A SECOND THAT'S PROBABLY EQUALLY PRIDEFUL.
AND THAT PASSES SEVEN TO ZERO.
LADIES, THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR WHAT YOU'RE DOING FOR THE COMMUNITY AND THE, AND THE PEOPLE THAT ARE INVOLVED.
[4. (CS) Discussion and Action: Call for Public Hearing – Receive the Short-term Rental Study Phase II Report and request to call a public hearing to amend the Zoning Ordinance to extend or repeal the interim ban and permanently regulate short-term rentals and related land uses, including associated development regulations. Project #CPH2024-001. Applicant: City of Plano (Legislative consideration) ]
GOING TO MOVE TO SOME, UM, NON-PUBLIC ITEMS. AND CHRISTIE, COULD YOU READ THE NON-PUBLIC HEARING ITEMS? THE PRESIDING OFFICER WILL PERMIT LIMITED PUBLIC COMMENT FOR ITEMS ON THE AGENDA NOT POSTED FOR A PUBLIC HEARING.THE PRESIDING OFFICER WILL ESTABLISH TIME LIMITS BASED UPON THE NUMBER OF SPEAKER REQUESTS, LENGTH OF THE AGENDA, AND TO ENSURE MEETING EFFICIENCY AND MAY INCLUDE A TOTAL TIME LIMIT AGENDA ITEM NUMBER FOUR, DISCUSSION AND ACTION.
RECEIVE THE SHORT TERM RENTAL STUDY, PHASE TWO REPORT AND REQUEST TO CALL A PUBLIC HEARING TO AMEND THE ZONING ORDINANCE TO EXTEND OR REPEAL THE INTERIM BAN AND PERMANENTLY REGULATE SHORT TERM RENTALS AND RELATED LAND USES, INCLUDING ASSOCIATED DEVELOPMENT REGULATIONS.
APPLICANT IS CITY OF PLANO, THIS IS FOR LEGISLATIVE CONSIDERATION.
WE HAVE A TOTAL OF 13 OPINIONS REGISTERED, UM, ONE IN SUPPORT, 10 IN OPPOSITION, AND TWO THAT ARE NEUTRAL.
MY NAME IS CHRISTINA SEBASTIAN.
I'M LAND RECORDS PLANNING MANAGER.
TONIGHT WE ARE HERE TO PRESENT THE PHASE TWO REPORT FROM THE SHORT-TERM RENTAL STUDY AND CALL A PUBLIC HEARING TO UPDATE THE ZONING ORDINANCE BASED ON THE RESULTS OF THE STUDY.
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SO, AS YOU KNOW, THIS STUDY BEGAN IN NOVEMBER OF 2022 AND THE OUTREACH AND DATA COLLECTION PORTION BEGAN THIS PAST APRIL.A SHORT-TERM RENTAL TASK FORCE WAS APPOINTED BY COUNCIL AND HAS BEEN MEETING SINCE JUNE, REVIEWING DATA, HEARING PUBLIC FEEDBACK, AND HAVING IN-DEPTH CONVERSATIONS AT THEIR MEETINGS.
AT THEIR LAST MEETING THIS PAST WEDNESDAY, THE TASK FORCE ADOPTED THE PHASE TWO REPORT THAT'S INCLUDED AS ATTACHMENT A IN YOUR PACKET.
WE ARE NOW AT THE END OF THAT PART OF THE PROJECT AND ARE READY TO BEGIN CONSIDERING THE PERMANENT MEASURES.
SO BEFORE WE GET INTO THINGS, UM, I WOULD LIKE TO INTRODUCE THE TASK FORCE CHAIR, MR. PHIL DYER TO SAY A FEW WORDS.
GOOD EVENING, AS ALWAYS, THANK YOU FOR YOUR SERVICE TO THE CITY.
UM, WE'VE BEEN AT IT FOR A LITTLE OVER EIGHT MONTHS AND IT'S BEEN AN INTERESTING PROCESS, WHICH WAS PREDICTABLE.
UH, IT IT WILL COME AS NO SURPRISE TO YOU THAT WE'VE MADE A LOT OF PROGRESS THANKS TO THE HARD WORK OF YOUR PLANNING STAFF.
CHRISTINA DAY, CHRISTINA, SEBASTIAN, JORDAN, I KNOW YOU SEE IT WEEK IN AND WEEK OUT.
THEY REALLY CARRIED A LOT FOR US AND BROUGHT BACK VOLUMES AND VOLUMES OF INFORMATION THAT MADE OUR JOB, UH, WORTHWHILE.
UH, I ALSO WANT TO THANK MICHELLE DEANDRA.
SHE DID A SUPERB JOB OF LAYING THE BOUNDARIES, LEGAL BOUNDARIES WITHIN WHICH WE COULD OPERATE.
THERE ARE RULES AND UH, AND SHE DID A GREAT JOB OF KEEPING US ON TRACK AND HE WAS WONDERFUL.
WE ALSO HAD A GREAT OUTSIDE CONSULTANT AND FACILITATOR GAP STRATEGIES.
AND OF COURSE WE HAD THE TASK FORCE ITSELF AND, UH, WE'VE GOT SEVERAL MEMBERS OF THE TASK FORCE HERE.
IF YOU ALL WOULD RAISE YOUR HAND JUST SO THAT, SO YEAH, WE'VE GOT SIX OR SEVEN HERE.
UM, THE TASK FORCE DID A GREAT JOB.
UH, LOTS OF MEETINGS, LOTS OF INFORMATION TO READ, UH, OPEN HOUSES, UH, VIRTUAL TOWN HALLS, A LOT GOING ON.
AND AS YOU CAN WELL IMAGINE THE, THE CITY COUNCIL INTENTION, HE APPOINTED A TASK FORCE WITH PEOPLE WITH WIDELY DIVERGENT VIEWS FROM GOOD PEOPLE THAT OPERATE AND OWN SHORT TERM RENTALS AND OPERATE THEM EXACTLY THE WAY YOU'D LIKE TO SEE 'EM DONE.
AND WE HAVE OTHER PEOPLE WHO HAVE HAD TERRIBLE PERSONAL EXPERIENCES NEXT DOOR TO 'EM ACROSS THE STREET THAT HAVE IMPACTED THEIR QUALITY LIFE.
AND SO WE'RE COMING FROM THERE, TRY TO GET TO THERE.
AND DESPITE THOSE DIFFERENCES, THE COURTESY, UH, AND RESPECT SHOWN DURING THE PROCESS WAS OUTSTANDING.
REALLY ADMIRE THESE PEOPLE FOR DOING THAT.
UH, THEY REALLY HAD SOME DIFFERENT VIEWS, BUT THERE WAS, IT'S AN EMOTIONAL ISSUE FOR SOME PEOPLE, BUT THE EMOTIONS WERE KEPT IN CHECK.
THE TEMPERS WERE KEPT IN CHECK, AND COURTESY WAS SHOWN THROUGHOUT, EVEN WHEN SOMEBODY WAS SAYING SOMETHING THAT SOMEBODY ELSE TOTALLY, UH, DISAGREED WITH.
SO, UH, I REALLY ADMIRE THIS GROUP FOR PULLING TOGETHER.
AND IN OUR MEETING LAST WEEK, WE HAD A FINAL VOTE TO SEND THIS INFORMATION, THIS REPORT TO YOU, AND IT WAS PASSED 17 TO ONE.
AND, UH, I THINK THAT'S A REMARKABLE TESTIMONY TO THE PEOPLE ON THE TASK FORCE AS WELL AS MICHELLE, CHRIS, BOTH CHRISTINA.
SO, UH, I DON'T HAVE ANYTHING MORE TO TELL YOU.
IT'S BEEN AN HONOR TO BE A PART OF THE PROCESS.
IT'S TIME THAT IT MOVE ON TO YOU AND THE COUNCIL, AND I JUST CAN'T THANK ALL EVERYBODY WHO WAS SO SUPPORTIVE OF THE PROCESS.
BE GLAD TO ANSWER ANY QUESTION.
OTHERWISE I'LL GIVE IT BACK TO CHRISTINA.
WELL, FIRST OF ALL, THANK YOU FOR LEADING THIS.
OBVIOUSLY IT'S AN IMPORTANT THING TO OUR COMMUNITY.
IT'S HAPPENING IN A LOT OF PLACES.
THERE ARE A LOT OF DIFFERENT SIDES TO THIS AND DIFFERENT CHALLENGES TO IT.
SO THANKS FOR FOR LEAVING THIS.
IT'S IMPORTANT TO OUR COMMUNITY.
DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR MR. ER COMMISSIONER? WE RECEIVED A REPORT FROM TWO DIFFERENT FOLKS WHEN WE'RE IN OUR PRELIMINARY OPEN MEETING.
AND ONE OF THE COMMENTS ON HERE, IT SAYS, THE TASK FORCE PROCESS HAS BEEN WOEFULLY ONE-SIDED IN FAVOR OF RESIDENTS SEEKING A BAN OF ST IN SINGLE FAMILY NEIGHBORHOODS.
HOW WOULD YOU RESPOND TO THAT? WELL, I WOULD, I WOULD ASK CITY COUNCIL TO RESPOND TO THAT.
UH, THEY DID NOT CALL THIS TASK FORCE TOGETHER TO CELEBRATE, UH, SHORT TERM
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RENTALS.THERE WERE OBVIOUSLY ISSUES IN OUR COMMUNITY THAT, UH, WE NEEDED TO WORK ON AND CREATE THE TOOLS TO ASSURE THAT THE SHORT-TERM RENTAL, UH, OPERATION IN OUR COMMUNITY IS RESPECTFUL OF EVERYONE.
AND SO, UH, THERE'S NO QUESTION THAT THERE WERE MORE PEOPLE APPOINTED TO THE TASK FORCE WHO HAD PROBLEMS WITH SHORT-TERM RENTALS, THEN PEOPLE WHO OWNED, OPERATED, UH, AND DID IT VERY WELL.
THERE WAS JUST A SMALLER GROUP DESPITE THAT, I THINK THE PEOPLE WHO CAME IN TO THE, THE MEETINGS WITH A STRONG NEGATIVE BIAS TOWARDS SHORT-TERM RENTALS SHOWED, UH, RESTRAINT AND COURTESY DURING THE PROCESS.
THERE'S NO QUESTION THAT THE PEOPLE WHO OPERATE THEM PROPERLY FEEL LIKE THEY WERE NOT TREATED FAIRLY.
AND I CAN ALSO TELL YOU PEOPLE THAT HAVE HAD GUNSHOTS ACROSS THE STREET FROM 'EM AT A SHORT TERM RENTAL WANTED SOMETHING COMING OUT OF THIS TASK FORCE MUCH MORE RESTRICTIVE AND AGGRESSIVE THAN WHAT'S COMING FORWARD.
SO I DON'T THINK EITHER SIDE GOT WHAT THEY WANT, AND I THINK THAT'S AN INDICATION THAT WE WERE SOMEWHAT SUCCESSFUL.
WE WERE ABLE TO MOVE SOMEWHAT TO THE MIDDLE, FIND SOME COMMON GROUND, AND BROUGHT 32 RECOMMENDATIONS TO YOU.
NOT ALL OF WHICH ARE UNANIMOUSLY OF PASSED, BUT WE FOUND COMMON A LOT OF COMMON GROUND IN THERE.
SO I RESPECT THE FEELING OF THE PERSON, PEOPLE WHO WROTE THAT TRULY DO.
UH, BUT, UH, I THINK WHAT'S COMING FORWARD IS SOMETHING THAT, THAT YOU ALL AND THE COUNCIL CAN WORK WITH.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR MR. I'VE GOT ANOTHER ONE.
SO WHEN, WHEN IS IT APPROPRIATE TO LIKE GO THROUGH THE 32 POINTS THAT I GUESS THEY'RE BRINGING TO US AND HAVE THAT? WELL, WHAT I WOULD SUGGEST IS WHAT THE PURPOSE OF THIS, UM, ISSUE TONIGHT IS, IS TO CALL A PUBLIC HEARING, WHICH IS WHAT WE'RE REALLY HERE FOR TONIGHT.
AND SO THAT I THINK WILL BE THE APPROPRIATE TIME TO REALLY DRILL THROUGH THIS ONCE THEY COME, BRING THAT BACK.
I'M, I'M NOT SURE THAT IT'S SOMETHING THAT WOULD BENEFIT US TREMENDOUSLY.
I EXPECT I'LL HAVE MORE QUESTIONS ONCE WE MAKE IT THERE, BUT YEAH, SO THAT'S COMING BACK SOON, I BELIEVE.
I'LL GIVE IT BACK TO CHRISTINE SEBASTIAN, THANKS VERY MUCH FOR YOUR SUPPORT.
SO REGARDING, UM, OUR PRESENTATION TONIGHT, UM, WE DO ACTUALLY HAVE QUITE A BIT OF INFORMATION TO SHARE WITH YOU.
UM, AND WE WILL GO OVER, UM, SOME OF THE RECOMMENDATIONS IN DEPTH, UM, WHICH WE'LL WE'LL GET TO HERE IN A MOMENT.
UM, I WILL SAY THAT THOUGH, UM, WE HAVE A, THERE IS A LOT OF INFORMATION, BUT IT WAS, UM, PUT TOGETHER FAIRLY QUICKLY WITH THE TASK FORCE MEETING LAST WEEK.
UM, AND WE DO PLAN TO BRING BACK A DRAFT ORDINANCE AT OUR NEXT MEETING, UM, SO THAT YOU CAN SEE, SEE MORE OF THE PROPOSAL AND HOW THEY LINE UP WITH THE RECOMMENDATIONS OF THE TASK FORCE.
IT WAS ALSO PUT TOGETHER, UH, FROM THE TASK FORCE RECOMMENDATIONS, UH, BUT PUT TOGETHER BY STAFF.
SO THE TASK FORCE HAS NOT SEEN THE PROPOSAL, UM, THAT WE'LL GET TO HERE LATER IN THE PRESENTATION.
UH, SO AGAIN, TIMELINE OF THE PROJECT.
WE HAVE BEEN MEETING WITH THE TASK FORCE SINCE JUNE.
UH, YOU RECEIVED THE PHASE ONE REPORT BACK IN OCTOBER AND TONIGHT WE'RE FOCUSING ON THE PHASE TWO REPORT WITH PERMANENT RECOMMENDATIONS BEING PART OF OUR DISCUSSION NOW WITH THE GOAL TO ADOPT THEM BY THE TIME THE INTERIM BAN EXPIRES IN ON MAY 15TH.
SO AT, IN THOSE PHASE ONE RESULTS, AND THERE'S A LINK ONLINE AND IN YOUR PACKET, THEIR TASK FORCE FOUND THREE FINDINGS AS PART OF THAT EIGHT ISSUES AND SEVEN CONSIDERATIONS IN REGARDS TO SHORT-TERM RENTALS IN PLANO.
HOWEVER, PHASE TWO REALLY FOCUSES ON CREATING RECOMMENDATIONS FOR THE PERMANENT MEASURES BASED ON THOSE PHASE ONE FINDINGS, ISSUES AND CONSIDERATIONS.
SO THERE WAS CONTINUED DATA OUTREACH, UH, I'M SORRY, DATA COLLECTION DURING THIS PHASE AS WELL AS PUBLIC OUTREACH WITH THREE SHORT-TERM RENTAL TASK FORCE MEETINGS, AN OPEN HOUSE BOTH IN PERSON AND ONLINE, UH, FACILITATED BY GAP STRATEGIES, OUR FACILITATED FOR THE PROJECT.
AND THEN, UH, PROJECT WEBSITE ADVERTISING@PLANOSTR.COM FROM THE TOP, FROM THE OPEN HOUSE.
UH, THE MAIN QUESTION THERE THAT THE PUBLIC WAS PRESENTED WITH THE DRAFT RECOMMENDATIONS OF THE TASK FORCE AND THE PUBLIC WAS ASKED, IS THE TASK FORCE GENERALLY HEADED IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION? UH, THE RESPONSES DID VARY AS, UH, THE CHAIR NOTED, UM, EVEN FOR THE PUBLIC AS WELL AS THE TASK FORCE.
UH, BUT FOUND THAT 65.8% OF RESPONDENTS AGREED OR SOMEWHAT AGREED THAT WE ARE HEADED IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION.
THE TASK FORCE SPENT A QUITE A BIT OF TIME TALKING
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ABOUT COMMUNITY FABRIC BASED ON ISSUE G FROM THE PHASE ONE FINDINGS.UH, COMMUNITY FABRIC IS A CORE VALUE FOR THE CITY OF PLANO.
THEY HEARD THEY'VE RECEIVED INFORMATION FROM NEIGHBORHOOD SERVICES AND FROM THE PLANO POLICE DEPARTMENT IN REGARDS TO COMMUNITY FABRIC IN PLANO.
UH, THE FOCUS WAS ON THE FREQUENT TURNOVER OF RESIDENTS IN SHORT-TERM RENTALS DOES DISTINGUISH THEM FROM OTHER RESIDENTIAL USES IN THE CITY, IS THAT IMPACTS THE PREDICTABILITY OF RESOLVING ISSUES WITH YOUR NEIGHBORS.
SO THE RESULTS OF THE STUDY ARE IN FOUR CATEGORIES.
THE FIRST IS REGISTRATION AND PROPERTY MANAGEMENT REQUIREMENTS.
THE OVERVIEW OF THAT IS TO BE PRESENTED TO COUNCIL.
THAT'S SOMETHING THAT THEY WILL BE CONSIDERING IT, IT'S, IT'S NOT PART OF THE, SO THAT'S GONNA BE PRESENTED ON, UH, TUESDAY, MARCH 19TH.
AND THEN A FULL CONSIDERATION IS PLANNED FOR MONDAY, APRIL 22ND.
THEN REGULATIONS THAT AFFECT LAND USE AND ZONING.
AND THAT'S WHAT WE'RE HERE TO TALK ABOUT TONIGHT.
AND IN FUTURE MEETINGS, CONSIDERATION OF AMORTIZATION AND BUYOUTS OF SHORT-TERM RENTALS IN CERTAIN AREAS AND CIRCUMSTANCES.
UH, THIS WOULD AGAIN BE A COUNCIL DECISION IF THIS WERE TO OCCUR.
AND THERE ARE SOME STATE REQUIREMENTS YOU'LL REMEMBER FROM SENATE BILL 9 2 9 THAT REQUIRE SPECIFIC PROCEDURES.
SHOULD COUNCIL CHOOSE TO GO THAT ROUTE WITH ANY SHORT-TERM RENTAL.
ADDITIONALLY, UH, TRAINING FOR NEW AND RENEWING SHORT-TERM RENTAL OWNERS, UM, WHICH WOULD BE PART OF THE REGISTRATION PROGRAM.
AGAIN, WE'RE HERE TONIGHT TO TALK ABOUT THE REGULATIONS THAT AFFECT LAND USE AND ZONING.
WE DO HAVE THEM ON THE SCREEN FOR REFERENCE, BUT THEY'RE QUITE LONG.
SO TO SUMMARIZE, UH, FOCUS ON LOCATIONS, UH, TASK FORCE RECOMMENDED THAT SHORT TERM RENTALS BE PERMITTED ANYWHERE A HOTEL IS ALLOWED AND COMMERCIAL MIXED USE IN TOD AREAS ON USES.
THEY DISCUSSED HAVING DIFFERENT STANDARDS FOR STR WITH LIVE-IN MANAGEMENT AND THEN POTENTIAL UPDATES TO RELATED USES.
AND THEN SOME ZONING TOOLS TO ALLOW SOME, UM, FLEXIBILITY OR, UH, ADDITIONAL RESTRICTIONS DEPENDING, UM, ON WHICH DIRECTION THEY GO.
SO, UH, IT COULD BE MAXIMUM DENSITY IN A SPECIFIED AREA, A MAXIMUM NUMBER OF RENTAL NIGHTS PER YEAR OR, UM, AND OR MINIMUM NIGHTS STAYS.
AND THEN, UH, A COUPLE OTHER CATEGORIES INCLUDING, UH, NOT BEING USED FOR COMMERCIAL AMUSEMENT THAT WERE PLANNED FOR THE REGISTRATION PROGRAM TO ADDRESS THAT VIA THE REGISTRATION PROGRAM.
AND THEN A FULL ANALYSIS OF STREET PARKING ISSUES AS A SEPARATE PROJECT.
AGAIN, AS WE LOOK AT THESE PROPOSALS, THERE ARE SOME QUESTIONS THAT WE'RE WE'LL BE LOOKING AT.
UH, DOES MANAGEMENT LIVE ON SITE? IS IT FOR A LIMITED TIME PERIOD OR IS THE RENTAL FOR, UH, THE WHOLE YEAR IS LODGING ALLOWED IN THE SAME AREA, THOSE HOTELS? UM, AND WHAT IS A LAND USE CONTEXT FOR THE AREA? SO THE PROPOSAL FOR TONIGHT, UM, IS FOR THREE DIFFERENT TYPES OF SHORT TERM RENTALS, UH, AND MOSTLY TO DISTINGUISH BETWEEN LIVE IN MANAGEMENT AND OFFSITE MANAGE MANAGEMENT.
SO THE FIRST IS BED AND BREAKFAST, ONE ROOM THAT IS WITH LIVE-IN MANAGEMENT AND ONE INDIVIDUAL ROOM.
THE SECOND IS BED AND BREAKFAST, TWO TO FIVE ROOMS. THAT'S VERY SIMILAR TO OUR EXISTING, UH, BED AND BREAKFAST IN USE.
IT WOULD BE FOR TWO TO FIVE INDIVIDUAL ROOMS AND AGAIN, LIVE-IN MANAGEMENT.
AND THEN THE LAST ONE IS FOR VACATION RENTAL.
THAT'S FOR A FULL UNIT, UH, SHORT TERM RENTAL RENTAL WITH OFFSITE MANAGEMENT.
ALL OF THESE WILL BE, UM, REQUIRED TO REGISTER UNDER THE SHORT-TERM RENTAL REGISTRATION ORDINANCE.
AND, UH, THEY WOULD ALSO ONLY BE PERMITTED IN RESIDENTIAL USES.
SO EVEN IF THEY'RE ALLOWED IN AREAS WHERE THERE AREN'T RESIDENCES, THAT'S THE IDEA THAT IT'S STILL ONLY HAPPENING IN A RESIDENTIAL USE.
SO THEN WITH THOSE POTENTIAL USES IN MIND, UH, THERE ARE, WHERE ARE THE LOCATIONS WHERE THESE MIGHT BE APPROPRIATE? SO A BED AND BREAKFAST ONE ROOM COULD BE APPROPRIATE IN ANY RESIDENCE CITYWIDE.
SO THAT WOULD BE, UM, NO NEED FOR A SPECIFIC USE PERMIT.
THAT'S THE COLUMN ON THE RIGHT, A BED AND BREAKFAST, TWO TO FIVE ROOMS, UM, WAS FOUND TO BE BASED ON THE TASK FORCE RECOMMENDATIONS ALLOWED WHERE HOTELS ARE CURRENTLY PERMITTED TO AVOID NON-CONFORMING USES WHERE A BED AND BREAKFAST INN IS CURRENTLY PERMITTED.
AND THEN ALSO IS A HERITAGE AT ANY LOCATION WHERE WE HAVE A HERITAGE PROPERTY, AS THOSE ARE OFTEN APPROPRIATE FOR, UH, BED AND BREAKFAST TYPE USES.
UM, HOWEVER, IN OTHER RESIDENTIAL DISTRICTS, UM, EXCEPT THERE IS ONE WHERE BED AND BREAKFAST INNS ARE ALLOWED BY WRIGHT, UH, A SPECIFIC USE PERMIT IS PROPOSED SO THAT THESE CAN BE EVALUATED ON A CASE BY CASE BASIS AND SOME OF THOSE ZONING TOOLS MIGHT BE APPLICABLE, SUCH AS DENSITY OF THE, THE LOCATION, THINGS LIKE THAT.
UNDER VACATION RENTAL THERE JUST FOLLOWED THE TASK FORCE RECOMMENDATION FOR ANY RESIDENCE OR HOTELS OR PERMITTED
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CITYWIDE.UM, THE RECOMMENDATION WAS IN MIXED USE COMMERCIAL AND TOD AREAS.
HOWEVER, WITH FURTHER ANALYSIS WE FOUND THAT REALLY THAT ALIGNS WITH WHERE HOTELS ARE PERMIT CURRENTLY PERMITTED IN NON-RESIDENTIAL ZONING DISTRICTS.
THAT'S THE ONLY, THOSE ARE THE ONLY DISTRICTS WHERE HOTELS ARE PERMITTED.
THERE IS ONE WHERE THEY'RE NOT PERMITTED.
UM, AND THERE ARE SOME RESIDENCES THAT ARE ALLOWED IN THESE NON-RESIDENTIAL ZONING DISTRICTS LARGELY AS, UH, MIXED USE OR, UM, RETAIL CORNER REDEVELOPMENT AREAS.
AND SO THOSE LOCATIONS WOULD GENERALLY HAVE GOVERNANCE ASSOCIATIONS OR, UM, APARTMENT BUILDING MANAGEMENT.
SO, UM, AND THEN WE HAVE SOME INFORMATION IN THE REPORT ABOUT THE NUMBERS OF THOSE, UH, EXISTING RESIDENCES.
AND THERE WOULD, THERE WOULD BE NO SUP OPTION FOR A VACATION RENTAL PER THE PROPOSAL.
SO THE TASK FORCE ALSO TALKED ABOUT THE POSSIBILITY FOR, UH, LIMITED OR SEASONAL RENTALS.
THEY, THEY DISCUSSED A COUPLE SCENARIOS WHERE IT MIGHT BE APPROPRIATE FOR A RESIDENT TO OFFER THEIR HOME AS A SHORT-TERM RENTAL ON A TEMPORARY BASIS, MAYBE WHEN TRAVELING OVER THE SUMMER OR STAYING IN A HOSPITAL FOR A PERIOD OF TIME OR CARING FOR AN ILL FAMILY MEMBER.
SO IF THIS IS SOMETHING THAT THE COMMISSION WOULD LIKE TO PURSUE, UM, WE'D LIKE TO CONSIDER HOW LONG WOULD LIMITED OR SEASONAL RENTALS BE APPROPRIATE? IS IT ONE 30 DAY PERIOD, 60 DAY, 90 DAY PERIOD? UM, IS A LONGER MINIMUM STAY HELPFUL IN REGULATING THAT USE DEPENDING ON THE LOCATION.
AND THEN IF SO, WHAT WOULD THAT TERM BE? SO THIS IS THAT CHART INCLUDING A COLUMN FOR THE LIMITED SEASONAL PERIOD.
UM, IT WOULDN'T BE NECESSARY FOR A BED AND BREAKFAST ONE ROOM BECAUSE THOSE WOULD BE PERMITTED ALREADY.
UH, BED AND BREAKFAST, TWO TO FIVE ROOMS IF ON A LIMITED BASIS COULD BE ANY RESIDENCE CITYWIDE.
THERE IS A CHART, UM, IN ATTACHMENT C IN YOUR PACKET THAT COMPARES ALL OF THIS INFORMATION AS WELL AS OTHER RENTAL USES SO THAT YOU CAN KIND OF SEE THEM ALL TOGETHER.
SO UNDER THIS PROPOSAL WE'D LIKE TO TAKE A LOOK AT WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE ON A MAP.
UM, I WILL NOTE FOR ALL OF THESE MAPS THAT WE'RE GOING TO LOOK AT THAT PLAN DEVELOPMENT DISTRICTS MAY HAVE RESIDENTIAL ALLOWANCES AND GENERALLY ARE NOT GOING TO BE MAPPED HERE.
UM, JUST IT'S GOING TO TAKE A LOT MORE TIME TO GET THOSE MAPPED PROPERLY.
UM, AND THEN NOTE THAT NON-CONFORMING USES FROM THE INTERIM BAN ON MAY 15TH, 2023 WOULD BE ALLOWED TO CONTINUE OPERATING IN THESE AREAS.
THE UM, SO THIS MAP SHOWS BED AND BREAKFAST, ONE BEDROOM.
THE PINK AREA WOULD BE AREAS WHERE RESIDENCES ARE PERMITTED BY RIGHT, AND THEREFORE BED AND BREAKFAST.
ONE ROOM WOULD BE PERMITTED BY WRIGHT AS WELL, PROVIDED THEY REGISTER, UM, AND ARE IN A RESIDENCE.
AND THEN THE ORANGE SHOWS AREA WHERE A BED AND BREAKFAST ONE ROOM WOULD ALSO BE PERMITTED BY WRIGHT, BUT THE HOUSING IN THOSE AREAS, ANY NEW HOUSING WOULD BE, UM, VIA A SPECIFIC USE PERMIT.
SO, UM, THEY DON'T NEED IT FOR THE STR USE, BUT THEY NEED IT FOR THE HOUSING USE.
TWO TO FIVE ROOMS. WE HAVE THREE CATEGORIES HERE.
THE YELLOW SHOWS WHERE THE USE COULD BE PERMITTED BY SUP OR A SEASONAL LIMITED RENTAL.
UM, AND NEW HOUSING IS PERMITTED BY WRIGHT.
THE ORANGE SHOWS WHERE THE USE COULD BE PERMITTED BY WRIGHT, BUT NEW HOUSING IS ONLY PERMITTED BY SUP.
IT'S KIND OF CONFUSING, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT TWO THINGS AT THE SAME TIME, BUT IT FELT IT WAS HELPFUL TO SHOW THAT THE HOUSING ISN'T ALLOWED JUST ANYWHERE IN THE CITY.
AND THEN THE PINK SHOWS WHERE THIS BED AND BREAKFAST, TWO TO FIVE ROOM USE COULD BE PERMITTED BY RIGHT YEAR ROUND AND NEW HOUSING IS PERMITTED.
AND THEN LASTLY WE HAVE OUR VACATION RENTAL MAP.
IN THIS CASE, THE YELLOW SHOWS AREAS WHERE VACATION RENTALS WOULD BE DISALLOWED, ALTHOUGH THEY MIGHT BE ALLOWED ON A SEASONAL BASIS IF THE COMMISSION GOES THAT DIRECTION.
UM, BUT NEW HOUSING IS PERMITTED BY WRIGHT.
THE ORANGE IS WHERE VACATION RENTALS WOULD BE ALLOWED YEAR ROUND, BUT HOUSING IS ONLY ALLOWED BY SPECIFIC USE PERMIT.
AND THEN THE PINK IS AGAIN WHERE THE USE COULD BE PERMITTED YEAR ROUND.
AND NEW HOUSING IS PERMITTED BY WRIGHT.
THIS IS ALSO A BUSIER MAP IS ON THIS ONE.
WE TRIED TO SHOW AREAS WHERE HOUSING CURRENTLY EXISTS IN AREAS WHERE HOTELS ARE PERMITTED.
SO THE INTENTION IS THAT VACATION RENTALS WOULD ALSO BE PERMITTED IN THESE, UM, BLUE, I'M SORRY, PURPLE, BLUE AND GREEN LOCATIONS.
ALRIGHT, SO OUR NEXT SET OF INFORMATION IS HOW THIS, THESE EFFECTS, HOW THIS PROPOSAL WOULD AFFECT THE, THE USES THAT WE KNEW AT THE TIME OF THE INTERIM BAN.
LAST YEAR THERE WERE 464 LOCATIONS IDENTIFIED BY DECKARD TECHNOLOGIES.
UM, AND UNDER THE PROPOSAL 50 OF OUR BED AND BREAKFAST ONE ROOMS ALL OF OUR BED AND BREAKFAST ONE ROOMS WOULD BECOME CON CONFORMING.
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IF THEY REGISTER AS A SHORT-TERM RENTAL.THERE ARE NO BED AND BREAKFAST TWO TO FIVE ROOMS THAT WOULD BE ALLOWED BY WRIGHT UNDER THE PROPOSAL.
AND THEN THERE ARE APPROXIMATELY 79 EXISTING VACATION RENTALS THAT WOULD BECOME CONFORMING IF THEY REGISTER AS A SHORT-TERM RENTAL.
UM, I'LL ALSO APOLOGIZE AS THE NAMES FOR THESE PROPOSED USES HAVE CHANGED AS IN OUR VARIOUS DRAFTS.
AND THE STAFF REPORT INCLUDED SOME OF THE OLD NAMES.
SO IF YOU SEE BED AND BREAKFAST RESIDENCES, THAT'S THE SAME AS BED AND BREAKFAST, ONE ROOM AND BED AND BREAKFAST IN THE CURRENT USES NAME IS THE SAME AS BED AND BREAKFAST, TWO TO FIVE ROOMS FOR THE NON-CONFORMING USES FOR, AGAIN, THERE ARE NO BED AND BREAKFAST ONE ROOM.
THOSE ARE ALL WOULD ALL BECOME CONFORMING IF THEY REGISTER.
UM, BUT THE TWO TO FIVE ROOMS WE WOULD, WE HAVE SEVEN OF THOSE PER SHOW IN OUR DECKED DATA.
AND THOSE WOULD BE NON-CONFORMING, BUT THEY COULD BECOME CONFORMING IF THEY EITHER OPERATE SEASONALLY OR IF THEY APPLY FOR AN SUP AND RECEIVE AN SUP.
UM, AND THEY WOULD REGISTER AS A SHORT-TERM RENTAL.
AND THEN FOR VACATION RENTALS WE HAVE APPROXIMATELY 328 THAT WOULD REMAIN NON-CONFORMING.
IF WE ALLOW THEM AS SEASONAL SHORT-TERM RENTALS AND THEY REGISTER, THEY COULD BE BECOME CONFORMING FOR A LIMITED TIMEFRAME.
I'LL ALSO NOTE THAT OUR POLICE CALLS FOR SERVICE DATA IDENTIFIED 15 PROPERTIES WITH THREE OR MORE CALLS FOR SERVICE IN A IN A YEAR.
WE CALL THAT KIND OF OUR TOP 15.
ALL ALL OF THOSE TOP 15 ARE ARE VACATION RENTALS AND NONE OF THEM WOULD BE PERMITTED UNDER IF, IF THEY WERE NEW UNDER THE PROPOSED STANDARDS.
SO THEY WOULD ALL BE NON-CONFORMING VACATION RENTALS.
UH, EACH NON-CONFORMING USE WOULD BE REQUIRED TO REGISTER AS AN STR BY THE DEADLINE.
WHATEVER THAT DEADLINE ENDS UP BEING, COUNT AS COUNCIL SETS IT.
SO THIS IS A MAP OF THOSE LOCATIONS.
I KNOW IT'S VERY HARD TO SEE ON THE SCREEN.
THERE IS A MAP IN ATTACHMENT D FOUR IN YOUR PACKET.
UM, THE CONFORMING USES ARE BLUE AND THE NON-CONFORMING ARE RED.
THE TWO BED AND BREAKFAST TYPES ARE SQUARES AND THE, UH, VACATION RENTALS ARE CIRCLES.
UM, BUT, UH, AGAIN, BETTER IF YOU CAN ACTUALLY ZOOM IN ON THE MAP.
AND THEN ADDITIONAL CONSIDERATIONS THAT WE, UM, WE ARE, WE HAVE IN YOUR STAFF REPORT ASSEMBLY HALL WE ARE PLANNING TO ADDRESS IN THE REGISTRATION PROGRAM.
AND PARKING WOULD INVOLVE A NUMBER OF DIFFERENT PROJECT.
UH, THIS IS REALLY FOCUSED ON STREET PARKING AND IT WOULD INVOLVE A NUMBER OF DIFFERENT DEPARTMENTS OF THE CITY.
SO WE ARE, AND WE DON'T THINK WE CAN GET IT DONE IN THE TIME WE HAVE BEFORE THE INTERIM BAND.
SO WE'RE RECOMMENDING THAT THIS BE CONSIDERED AS A SEPARATE PROJECT AFTER WE ADOPT THE PERMANENT RECOMMENDATIONS.
SO IN SUMMARY, UH, THESE RECOMMENDATIONS, WELL, I'M NOT GONNA TRY TO SUMMARIZE EVERYTHING FROM BEFORE, BUT THE RECOMMENDATIONS WERE DEVELOPED AFTER CONSIDERABLE TIME FOR THE TASK FORCE BASED ON A LOT OF DISCUSSION, THE PUBLIC FEEDBACK AND, UH, DATA AVAILABLE.
AND THEY HELPED CREATE A PUBLIC RECORD TO OF THE COMMUNITY'S NEEDS AND DESIRES FOR SHORT TERM RENTALS.
SO I KNOW THAT WAS A LOT OF INFORMATION, BUT WE WANTED TO BRING YOU THIS OVERVIEW NOW SO THAT YOU COULD START TO THINK ABOUT IT AND WE COULD BRING YOU MORE DETAIL AT OUR UPCOMING MEETINGS.
SO TONIGHT WE ASK THAT YOU CALL A PUBLIC HEARING.
AFTER THAT, STAFF WILL PREPARE AND PUBLISH NOTICES OF THE ZONING CASE.
WE ARE LOOKING TO TRY TO SEND OUT NOTICES CITYWIDE OF THIS CASE.
UH, WE ARE STILL WORKING THROUGH THAT WITH OUR PROCUREMENT DEPARTMENT.
SO, UM, IF WE CAN MEET THEIR REQUIREMENTS, THAT IS OUR PLAN.
UM, AT OUR NEXT MEETING, AS I MENTIONED, WE'LL BRING A MORE DETAILED DRAFT TO YOU WITH HOPEFULLY SOME ORDINANCE LANGUAGE, AND THEN ON APRIL 1ST, WE WILL HAVE OUR PUBLIC HEARING.
THAT WILL BE AT OUR FIRST MEETING AT DAVIS LIBRARY.
UM, SO, UM, PLEASE NOTE THE DIFF DIFFERENT LOCATION AND THEN APRIL 22ND, CITY COUNCIL COULD CONSIDER THIS AT AGAIN, ALSO AT DAVIS LIBRARY, AND THEY WOULD ALSO BE CONSIDERING THE REGISTRATION PROGRAM AT THAT SAME MEETING.
AND ALL OF THIS IS SO THAT WE CAN COMPLETE THE PROCESS PRIOR TO THE EXPIRATION OF THE INTERIM BAN ON MAY 15TH, WE'LL HAVE MORE INFORMATION AND FEEDBACK OPPORTUNITIES@PLANOSTR.COM.
WE ARE STILL WORKING THROUGH, UM, TRANSITIONING THAT SITE FROM GRAB STRATEGIES TO THE CITY'S PLANO.GOV WEBSITE.
UM, SO HOPEFULLY WE'LL HAVE THAT INFORMATION UP THERE WITHIN A WEEK.
UM, AND THEN WITH THAT, WE RECOMMEND THAT THE COMMISSION CALL A PUBLIC HEARING FOR THIS PURPOSE.
YOU GUYS HAVE BEEN WORKING THROUGH THIS FOR A WHILE.
AND, UM, SO, YOU KNOW, I REMIND EVERYONE THAT THE GOAL TONIGHT WAS TO EXPOSE SOME THINGS AND OR TO SHARE SOME THINGS AND THEN TO CALL A PUBLIC HEARING.
AND I'M SHOCKED WE DON'T HAVE ANY QUESTIONS.
SO ANYWAY, UM, SO WITH THAT COMMISSIONER RATLIFF, THANK YOU CHAIRMAN.
UM, FIRST OF ALL, THANKS TO THE STAFF.
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IN THE LOOP ALL THE WAY THROUGH THIS PROCESS, BROUGHT US ALONG WITH YOU, AND THAT'S BEEN VERY, VERY, VERY HELPFUL BECAUSE THERE WAS A LOT OF INFORMATION IN THIS REPORT.THE GOOD NEWS IS A LOT OF IT WE HAD SEEN BEFORE OR HEARD PARTS OF, SO THAT MADE IT A LITTLE EASIER TO DIGEST.
BUT THERE'S STILL A TON OF INFORMATION IN HERE, AND I KNOW AT THE NEXT MEETING THERE'S GONNA BE A TON MORE THAT WE NEED TO DIGEST.
AND SO, UM, CAN YOU PUT BACK UP THE SLIDE WITH THE TIMELINE ON IT? IT'S LIKE TWO SLIDES BACK FROM WHERE YOU ARE RIGHT NOW.
UM, SO JUST A QUICK PROCEDURAL QUESTION.
IS IT THE THOUGHT OF THE STAFF THAT THE MARCH 18TH IS GONNA BE MORE LIKE A WORKSHOP KIND OF EPISODE OR, UH, OPPORTUNITY? BECAUSE I, I FEEL LIKE WE'RE GONNA HAVE A LOT OF QUESTIONS AND NEED A LOT OF DIALOGUE THAT NIGHT.
AND, UM, ALSO, IF AT ALL POSSIBLE TO GET THE PACKET A FEW DAYS EARLIER THAN NORMAL BECAUSE THERE'S GONNA, I FEEL CERTAIN THERE'S GONNA BE A LOT OF READING INVOLVED AND I WOULD APPRECIATE MORE THAN 72 HOURS TO GET, UM, UP TO SPEED BEFORE WE START ASKING QUESTIONS.
SO, UM, JUST WANNA THROW THAT OUT THERE IF Y'ALL WOULD CONSIDER THAT BECAUSE, UM, I FEEL LIKE I'M GONNA NEED TO READ THIS ONE, TWO OR THREE TIMES BEFORE I CAN COME UP WITH MY LIST OF QUESTIONS.
YES, WE CAN CONSIDER, UM, BOTH OF THOSE.
I, I THINK OUR INTENTION IS TO HAVE THE PRESENTATION BE PART OF THE REGULAR MEETING SO THAT IT'S AVAILABLE ONLINE AND RECORDED.
UM, BUT I THINK WE EXPECT A LOT OF BACK AND FORTH FROM THE COMMISSION AT THAT MEETING.
UM, AND IF YOU HAVE QUESTIONS AHEAD OF TIME, UM, PLEASE FEEL FREE TO SEND THEM IN SO THAT WE CAN TRY TO INCLUDE AS MUCH INFORMATION EITHER IN THE PACKET OR, UM, HAVE IT AVAILABLE FOR THE MEETING.
YEAH, I THINK MY, UH, MOST OF MY QUESTIONS I'M PROBABLY NOT GONNA HAVE TILL WE GET THE PACKET.
SO THAT'S MY, THAT'S MY CONCERN IS IF WE DON'T GET IT TILL FRIDAY EVENING, ME GIVING YOU QUESTIONS ON MONDAY MORNING ISN'T FAIR TO YOU.
UM, AND THAT'S A LOT OF WORK TO DO OVER THE WEEKEND AS WELL.
SO IF THERE'S ANY WAY, MR. BELL THAT WE CAN GET THOSE A FEW DAYS EARLIER, I THINK, UM, I DON'T WANNA SPEAK TO THE WHOLE COMMISSION, BUT I KNOW I'D APPRECIATE IT.
SO I I THINK YOU CAN SPEAK TO THOSE
I'M SURE A LOT OF US ARE GONNA HAVE SIMILAR QUESTIONS, SO THAT MIGHT JUST BENEFIT EVERYONE AS WE GET TO THIS BECAUSE I, I'M SURE THERE WILL BE QUESTIONS.
UM, COMMISSIONER LYLE, I WAS JUST GONNA ASK IF ANY CONSIDERATIONS BEEN GIVEN TO BUILDING STANDARDS? IN OTHER WORDS, THERE'S DIFFERENT BUILDING STANDARDS FOR DIFFERENT OCCUPANCIES AND SO TRANSIENT OCCUPANCIES HAVE A COMPLETELY DIFFERENT SET OF BUILDING REQUIREMENTS THAN LONG-TERM RESIDENTIAL USES.
UM, IN GENERAL, WE, WE ARE IN TOUCH WITH OUR BUILDING INSPECTIONS DEPARTMENT THAT HANDLES THE, THE BUILDING CODE.
UM, BUT THAT'S, WE HAVE NOT SPECIFICALLY LOOKED INTO THAT, BUT WE CAN DEFINITELY TALK TO THEM ABOUT THAT.
UM, BUT AGAIN, THESE, THESE USES WOULD BE ALLOWED IN ANY STANDARD RESIDENTIAL DWELLING, UH, SINGLE FAMILY MULTIFAMILY, UH, ANYTHING THAT IS CURRENTLY ALLOWED UNDER CODE, UM, THAT MEETS THE A PROPOSAL, UM, THAT WOULD BE ABLE TO HOUSE A SHORT TERM RENTAL.
AND I WOULD JUST AGREE WITH COMMISSIONER RATLIFF, THIS HAS BEEN A YEAR LONG PROCESS, AND SO IN ORDER FOR US TO DO OUR JOB, I WOULD REALLY LOVE TO SEE THAT PACKET BEFORE THE 18TH.
THANK YOU FOR ALL YOUR WORK ON THIS
UM, SORRY, COMMISSIONER ALI, I, I JUMPED PAST YOU, SO I APOLOGIZE MR. ALI.
UM, MORE CLARIFYING, AND I MIGHT HAVE MISSED IT IN INFORMATION, SO CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, THE DIFFERENCE IN MANAGEMENT LIVE-IN, UM, DOES THAT MEAN THAT THE MANAGEMENT HAS TO BE ON SITE WHILE THE RENTAL IS IN EFFECT, OR I ESSENTIALLY CAN LEAVE ONE ROOM EMPTY AND I'M CONSIDERING THAT AS MANAGEMENT LIVE IN, WHAT, WHAT'S THE, IF WE COULD GET CLARIFICATION OF THAT, BUT FOR ME AT LEAST, UM, SECOND THING I PROBABLY WOULD WANT SOME CLARIFICATION ON, ON THE SEASONAL RENTAL, EVEN IF WE COME UP WITH MINIMUM DAYS STAY, MAXIMUM DAYS STAY, WHAT HAVE YOU, IS IT A CAPPED, UH, MINIMUM OR MAXIMUM WITHIN A YEAR'S TIMEFRAME? OR IS IT A, IS THERE A ROLLING RESET OF SOME KIND? UM, WITHIN 30 DAYS YOU CAN ONLY HAVE FIVE DAYS CAPPED OR, YOU KNOW, WHAT'S THAT ANCHORING TIMEFRAME THAT ONE WOULD NEED TO LOOK AT TO CONSIDER THAT AS, UH, AN OPTION? I THINK ON THE, THE SEASONAL RENTAL, THAT'S SOMETHING WE'D LIKE TO GET SOME FEEDBACK FROM, FROM THE COMMISSION ON.
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I THINK FOR UM, ENFORCEMENT PURPOSES, IT'S PROBABLY, UM, LIKELY TO BE PER YEAR.UM, WHETHER THAT'S ONE PERIOD PER YEAR, PERHAPS TWO BE AT, AT SOME POINT.
IF YOU GET TOO MANY PER YEAR, IT WOULD BE, UM, POTENTIALLY JUST MORE CHALLENGING TO, TO ENFORCE.
UM, SO, AND THEN WE'LL BRING BACK SOME INFORMATION.
I THINK THE INTENTION IS THAT IT'S ON THE, ON THE LIVE-IN MANAGEMENT, THE INTENTION IS THAT IT IS, UM, TO BE, IT'S JUST HOSTED, BUT THEY'RE NOT NECESSARILY THERE 24 7, UM, THEY'RE JUST HAVING A ROOM THAT THEY RENT OUT AND THEY'RE HOST YOU, YOU HAVE ACCESS TO THE MANAGEMENT.
MORE, MORE DIRECTLY, BUT NOT NECESSARILY ALWAYS THERE.
BUT WE'LL ADD INFORMATION ON THAT.
COMMISSIONER BRUNO? THANK YOU MR. CHAIRMAN.
UM, I'D LIKE TO ADD MY THANKS SPECIFICALLY TO MAYOR DYER AND THE MEMBERS OF THE TASK FORCE FOR THEIR HARD WORK OVER THESE PAST MONTHS, UH, ON A DIFFICULT SUBJECT IN WHICH THEY WERE TRYING TO BRING CONSENSUS AMONG HIGHLY DIVERGENT VIEWPOINTS AND INTERESTS, UH, WHICH WAS A DIFFICULT TASK.
AND I'M GLAD THAT YOU CARRIED IT OUT WITH A GREAT DEAL OF, OF DIGNITY AND I APPRECIATE THAT.
UM, I'D LIKE TO THANK THE STAFF ALSO FOR THEIR REVIEW OF THIS SUBJECT AND, UH, BRINGING IT TO OUR ATTENTION.
UM, I'D LIKE TO POINT OUT, BY THE WAY, OUR NEXT MEETING, I BELIEVE WE WERE JUST TOLD EARLIER, IS TUESDAY, MARCH 19TH, NOT THE 18TH.
I, I BELIEVE IT'S IT'S CITY COUNCIL THIS MEETING THAT HAS BEEN ADJUSTED FOR SPRING BREAK.
SO THEIR MEETING IS ON TUESDAY, MARCH 19TH, BUT THE COMMISSION'S, UH, IS STILL ON MONDAY, MARCH 18TH.
I'M GLAD YOU CLARIFIED THAT BECAUSE I WAS ON, I THOUGHT I HEARD THAT OUR NEXT MEETING WAS GONNA BE ON THE 19TH.
ANYWAY, UM, I'D ALSO LIKE TO, UM, UM, ENDORSE THE IDEA OF GETTING THE INFORMATION, AT LEAST AS TO THIS ITEM AS TO US AS EARLY AS POSSIBLE, EVEN IF THE REST OF THE AGENDA HAS TO BE GOTTEN TO US LATER, YOU KNOW, AT THE NORMAL TIME, THIS IS A HUGE SUBJECT AND WE'RE GONNA HAVE A LOT OF MATERIAL TO TRY TO GO THROUGH AND DIGEST AND, YOU KNOW, COME UP WITH SOME LEVEL OF UNDERSTANDING.
UM, I'D ALSO LIKE TO SUGGEST THAT WHATEVER YOU BRING TO US BE LIMITED TO THE SUBJECT MATTER THAT IS PROPERLY WITHIN THE PURVIEW OF THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION, NAMELY REGULATIONS THAT AFFECT LAND USE AND ZONING.
UM, THE TASK FORCE CAME UP WITH RECOMMENDATIONS IN FOUR CATEGORIES ONLY, ONE OF WHICH PERTAINS TO US THE OTHER THREE CATEGORIES, REGISTRATION AND PROPERTY MANAGEMENT REQUIREMENTS, AMORTIZATION AND BUYOUTS AND TRAINING ARE PROPERLY MATTERS FOR THE COUNCIL.
SO IF YOU WOULD REFRAIN FROM BURDENING US WITH THINGS THAT ARE OUTSIDE OF OUR PURVIEW, YOU KNOW, THE, THE SUBJECT WE HAVE TO DEAL WITH IS, IS LARGE ENOUGH BY ITSELF NOT TO HAVE TO ADD TO THE DIFFICULTY OF THE, OF THE TASK.
UM, SO I THINK, UM, ALSO WITH RESPECT TO YOUR RECOMMENDATION ABOUT SEASONAL RENTALS, PART OF THE JUSTIFICATION THAT WAS GIVEN, THE EXPLANATION THAT WAS GIVEN TO US FOR THE EXISTENCE OF THE TASK FORCE WAS TO CREATE A DATABASE RELATING TO SHORT TERM RENTALS THAT WOULD MAKE WHATEVER REGULATIONS WE WIND UP ADOPTING LEGALLY SUSTAINABLE.
THE TASK FORCE HAS NOT DEALT WITH ANYTHING OTHER THAN SHORT TERM RENTALS.
ANYTHING OVER 29 DAYS DURATION IS NOT A SHORT TERM RENTAL.
WE HAVE NO DATA REGARDING SEASONAL RENTALS.
WE HAVE NO RECOMMENDATIONS FROM THE TASK FORCE ABOUT SEASONAL RENTALS FOR LONGER THAN 29 DAYS.
SO I WOULD SUGGEST THAT IF THAT'S A SUBJECT COMMISSION WANTS TO TAKE UP, OR IF THE COUNCIL WANTS US TO TAKE IT UP, THAT WE DEFER THAT TO A LATER TIME AND THAT WE CAN FIND OUR CONSIDERATION AT THIS TIME TO SHORT TERM RENTALS.
WE ARE UNDER SOMETHING OF A MAY 15TH DEADLINE FOR THE WHOLE SUBJECT TO BE FINISHED.
SO THOSE ARE MY COMMENTS TO YOU, UH, TONIGHT, I'D JUST LIKE TO SEE US ADOPT THE REPORT, CALL A PUBLIC HEARING WITH REGARD TO THOSE MATTERS THAT ARE PROPERLY BEFORE THE PLANNING OF ZONING COMMISSION.
AND, AND IF I MAY, I, I APPRECIATE, UM, YOU KEEP TRYING TO KEEP THE SCOPE OF WITHIN THE, THE TASK FORCE STUDY, UH, THE SHORT TERM RENTAL TASK FORCE.
UM, THE, THE IDEA OF SEASONAL WOULD BE THAT THEY, ALL OF THE RENTALS WITHIN WHATEVER THE PERIOD MIGHT BE, WOULD STILL BE SHORT TERM.
THEY WOULD STILL ALL BE 29 DAYS OR LESS, BUT THEY MIGHT BE AVAILABLE FOR THE FULL SUMMER WHILE SOMEONE'S OUT, UH, OUT OF TOWN.
BUT EACH OF THE INDIVIDUAL RENTALS, I MEAN, THERE MAY BE SOME WEEK LONG RENTALS, AND THEN THE NEXT ONE MIGHT BE THREE WEEKS, AND THEN THE NEXT ONE MIGHT BE FOUR DAYS.
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CONSISTENT.THERE MIGHT BE GAPS IN BETWEEN, I MEAN, DEPENDING OF COURSE, ON, ON WHAT THE, THE RENTAL ENDS UP BEING OR NUMBER OF RENTALS.
UM, LOOKS LIKE NO MORE QUESTIONS.
I HAVE JUST ONE QUESTION, MAYBE A COUPLE COMMENTS IS, IS IT THE INTENT TO GRANDFATHER IN EXISTING STR OR WHAT'S THE CURRENT THOUGHT, WHICH I THINK WHAT WE HAVE 464, I THINK YOU SAID.
UM, THE, UH, OF THE DATA THAT WE HAVE AVAILABLE, UM, IT, WE HAVE 464 THAT WE'VE IDENTIFIED.
THE, UH, I WILL NOTE THAT THAT IS, UM, WE, I THINK WE FIND THAT WHEN REGISTRATION COMES IN, WE ANTICIPATE THAT, UH, THAT THAT NUMBER COULD BE MORE REFINED BECAUSE, UH, PARTICULARLY IN MULTIFAMILY AREAS, IT'S DIFFICULT TO, TO DENOTE THE SPECIFIC UNIT THAT'S BEING RENTED.
UM, BUT THOSE WORK GRAND, UH, BECAME, BECAME NON-CONFORMING.
THEY WERE GRANDFATHERED WHEN WE DID THE INTERIM BAN ON MAY 15TH, 2023.
AND THE INTENT IS THAT THEY ALL WILL REMAIN NON-CONFORMING, BUT THEY WILL BE REQUIRED TO REGISTER.
UM, AND THEN SOME OF THOSE, DEPENDING ON WHAT STANDARDS ARE ADOPTED, WE ANTICIPATE WOULD, WOULD BECOME CONFORMING.
THEY WOULD BE REQUIRED TO REGISTER, BUT THEY ONLY, ONLY A SUBSET WOULD, WOULD REMAIN NON-CONFORMING, BUT THAT THEY, THEY WOULD CONTINUE TO BE NON-CONFORMING.
OF COURSE, A RECOMMENDATION IS ALSO POTENTIAL AMORTIZATION OR BUYOUTS.
UM, BUT THERE AGAIN, THAT'S A COUNCIL DECISION, RIGHT.
UH, BACKYARD COTTAGES CONSIDERED IN THIS PLAN SPECIFICALLY, WE, WE EXPECT TO BRING BACK MORE INFORMATION ON BACKYARD COTTAGES OKAY.
UM, BUT I THINK YES, THE, THEY'LL FALL IN POTENTIALLY EVEN TO MULTIPLE CATEGORIES DEPENDING ON HOW THEY'RE, THEY'RE MANAGED.
BUT WE'LL, WE'LL PROVIDE MORE INFORMATION ON THAT AS WELL.
SO, UM, YOU KNOW, JUST TO COMMENT AS I LOOK AT THIS, I THINK, UM, YOU KNOW, THE PLAN LOOKS LIKE DIRECTIONALLY IT'S GOING THE RIGHT WAY.
MY, MY CONCERNS ARE REALLY HOW DO WE TRACK THIS? HOW DOES IT GET MANAGED? HOW DOES IT GET ENFORCED? UM, THE SEASONAL RENTALS, HOW DOES THAT GET MANAGED AND WHAT DOES THAT DO TO, UM, OUR, OUR STAFF ALREADY? SO, YOU KNOW, I'M NOT LOOKING FOR AN ANSWER THERE, IT'S JUST A CONCERN.
I'M SURE YOU GUYS HAVE KICKED IT AROUND.
SO IT LOOKS LIKE WE HAVE ONE MORE QUESTION.
COMMISSIONER LYLE, CAN YOU PROVIDE A LITTLE FEEDBACK ON HOW WE'RE CONSIDERING THE SHORT, SHORT-TERM RENTALS THAT WERE IN EXISTENCE PRIOR TO THE SHORT-TERM BAN.
BAN ARE GAINING NON-CONFORMING STATUS WHEN THERE'S A PROVISION WITHIN OUR, MY UNDERSTANDING IS THERE'S A PROVISION WITHIN OUR ZONING ORDINANCE THAT PRECLUDES ANY USE THAT'S NOT BEEN CONTEMPLATED.
AND SO IT SEEMS TO ME THAT BY GRANTING NON-CONFORMING STATUS TO EVERYONE THAT WAS DOING IT, UM, IN A RESIDENTIAL AREA, WE'RE WE'RE ESSENTIALLY ALLOWING EVERYTHING THAT WAS DONE THAT WASN'T LEGAL.
THAT'D BE A GOOD THING TO ASK IN EXACT SESSION.
SO THEN I, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU WANNA DO THAT NOW OR JUST WAIT TILL NEXT TIME WHEN YOU HAVE THE WHOLE ORDINANCE AND MAYBE WE COULD GO THROUGH IT MORE THOROUGHLY THEN IT MIGHT BE A BETTER USE OF TIME, BUT, BUT I, I MEAN, THE ZONING ORDINANCE DOES SPECIFICALLY PRECLUDE EVERY USE.
THAT'S NOT GREAT TOPIC FOR EXEC SESSION.
WELL, I THINK THAT CONCLUDES IT.
DO WE, UM, DO I HAVE ANY REGISTERED SPEAKERS? WE HAVE 12 REGISTERED SPEAKERS.
EACH SPEAKER WILL HAVE THREE MINUTES TO PRESENT THEIR COMMENTS.
UM, I, I'D LIKE TO REMIND EVERYBODY THAT, THAT YOU'LL GET ANOTHER SHOT AT THIS.
AND, UM, SO IF, IF YOU HAVE REDUNDANT COMMENTS, UH, TRY TO BE BRIEF, UM, IF YOU WOULD, BUT CLEARLY SAY WHAT YOU WANNA SAY, PLEASE COME IN.
AND SO IF WE CALL THOSE SPEAKERS IN ORDER, KRISTA, THAT'D BE FANTASTIC.
OUR SPEAKER IS ANTONIO MIGUEL MOLINA BENDECK.
PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS.
MY NAME IS ANTONIO MOLINA BENDECK.
THE ADDRESS IS 1207 DREXEL DRIVE, PLANO, TEXAS 7 5 0 7 5.
SO, UM, YOU'RE MEMBERS OF THE PNC COUNCIL.
UM, AS YOU KNOW, MY NAME IS ANTONIO AND I'M AN ARCHITECT.
I STAND BEFORE YOU TODAY DEEPLY UP ABOUT THE IMPENDING BAN ON SHORT-TERM RENTALS STR SET TO TAKE EFFECT.
SOON AS AN STR HOST, I VEHEMENTLY OPPOSE THIS DECISION.
IT UNFAIRLY PUNISHES RESPONSIBLE HOSTS FOR THE MISDEEDS OF A FEW BAD GUESTS, WHILE THE REAL CRIMINALS RESPONSIBLE FOR SERIOUS CRIMES
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ROAM FREELY.MY PROPERTY IS METICULOUSLY MAINTAINED TO HIGH STANDARDS WITH A DEDICATED TEAM, INCLUDING SECURITY CAMERAS, EMPLOYEES, POOL, AND YARD MAINTENANCE AND CLEANING STAFF.
WE CONTRIBUTE POSITIVE TO OUR POSITIVELY TO OUR COMMUNITY.
UNLIKE SOME NEIGHBORS WHOSE PROPERTIES DEGRADE THE NEIGHBORHOOD'S APPEAL.
MOREOVER, THIS BAND COULDN'T COME AT A WORSE TIME.
OUR ECONOMY IS FRAGILE AND STRINGENT.
GOVERNMENT REGULATIONS ONLY EXACERBATE THE SITUATION AT MY WORKPLACE.
PROJECTS ARE BEING DELAYED BY LIBERAL LEANING CITIES ALL OVER THE STATE AND COUNTRY CAUSING LAYOFFS AND FINANCIAL STRAIN ACROSS SECTORS.
WE SIMPLY CANNOT AFFORD ADDITIONAL RESTRICTIONS AS SMALL BUSINESS OWNERS.
SDR ARE, ARE VITAL PART OF MY LIVE LIVELIHOOD, AND WITHOUT THEM, IT WILL BE AN ADDITIONAL CHALLENGE FOR ME AND MY FAMILY.
LIMITING NORMAL PEOPLE FROM HAVING SDRS WILL ONLY FEED INTO LARGE CORPORATIONS WHO ARE LIKELY LOBBYING FOR THIS WITH UNEDUCATED HOMEOWNERS THAT ARE OPPOSED TO SDRS.
I URGE YOU TO RECONSIDER THIS BAN AND INSTEAD FOCUS ON TARGETING THE ROOT CAUSES OF THESE ISSUES RATHER THAN PENALIZING RESPONSIBLE CITIZENS, LET'S WORK TOGETHER TO FIND SOLUTIONS THAT MAINTAIN SAFETY WHILE SUPPORTING THE ECONOMIC LIVELIHOODS OF ALL RESIDENTS.
GRAND GRANDFATHERING SDRS, IMPLEMENTING A REGISTRATION PROCESS, ELIMINATING BAD HOSTS, AND ENFORCING MANDATORY SECURITY MEASURES CONNECTED TO OUR POLICE DEPARTMENT CAN TRANSFORM STRS INTO BEACONS OF SAFETY FOR OUR COMMUNITIES AND NEIGHBORHOODS.
AND I JUST WANT TO ADD ALSO, SINCE I HAVE A LITTLE MORE TIME, UM, WHEN THEBAN TOOK EFFECT, YOU KNOW, AS HOSTS WE'RE LOOKING ON THE APP, WE'RE SEEING WHAT'S GOING ON, WE SAW SEVERAL, UM, NEW SDRS POP UP AS COMPETITION, RIGHT? SO THAT BAN WAS NOT ENFORCEABLE.
SO THAT BAN, YOU HAVE TO BE ACCOUNTABLE THAT THE BAN PEOPLE WERE JUST ADDING IT.
'CAUSE THERE'S NO REGULATION WITH AIRBNB.
I ALSO UNDERSTAND THE CITY OF PLANO IS ONE OF THE FEW CITIES THAT TAKES THE TAXES DIRECTLY FROM AIRBNB.
LIKE THEY TAKE IT FROM US AND THEY, THEY IMMEDIATELY GO TO THE CITY.
SO I'M SURE THERE'S SOME INFORMATION, I'M NOT SURE IF THE, UM, THAT WAS SEEN.
BUT, UM, IT'S SOMETHING FOR YOU ALL TO CONSIDER AND WE'RE JUST TRYING TO DO WORK AND, YOU KNOW, BE A POSITIVE MEMBER OF THE COMMUNITY SOCIETY AND HAVE BUSINESS.
OUR NEXT SPEAKER, CHRISTY, NEXT SPEAKER IS LAURA JONES.
YEAH, CHRISTY, IF YOU'D CALL DOWN THE NEXT COUPLE AS WELL, SO THEY COULD COME ON DOWN SO WE CAN MOVE THROUGH QUICKLY.
NEXT WILL BE JOHN STAFFORD AND CHRISTY LEWIS.
AND ALSO PLEASE, AS WE GET CLOSE, GIVE THEM A HEADS UP AT, AT THE TIME, IF YOU WOULD PLEASE.
I DO TWO BEDROOMS IN MY HOUSE.
UM, THROUGHOUT COVID, WITHOUT BEING ABLE TO BE AN AIRBNB, I PROBABLY WOULD'VE BEEN USING THE AGAPE SERVICES.
UH, UM, IT REALLY CARRIED ME THROUGH.
I WAS ALSO A MEMBER OF THE TASK FORCE AND SOME OF THE INFORMATION I'M SEEING TONIGHT IS NEW TO ME.
SO I DON'T THINK THAT ALL THE INFORMATION WAS GIVEN TO ALL THE TASK FORCE, ESPECIALLY THE CONSIDERATION OF WHAT WE'RE CALLED AS FAR AS ONE BEDROOM, TWO BEDROOM, OR VACATION HOME.
UM, DURING OUR TIME WITH THE TASK FORCE, UM, THE POLICE CHIEF CAME AND SPOKE WITH US AND HE SAID THE STRS WERE A BLIP ON THEIR RADAR.
OUT OF THE 454, THERE'S ABOUT 10 OFFENDERS THAT ARE BREAKING LAWS, THAT, THAT SHOULD BE ENFORCED INSTEAD OF PUNISHING ALL OF US WHO ARE NOT CAUSING PROBLEMS. AND WHEN WE WERE TOLD THAT WE'RE DESTROYING THE FABRIC OF THE COMMUNITY, I DON'T THINK THAT'S FAIR OR TRUE.
I THINK OUR GUESTS ARE PART OF THE FABRIC OF THE COMMUNITY.
UM, A LOT OF PEOPLE THAT STAY WITH ME ARE PEOPLE MOVING TO PLANO AND THEY STAY WITH ME BECAUSE THEY WANNA BE IN THE COMMUNITY AND SEE HOW THE COMMUNITY IS AND LOOK AT HOMES AND BUY HOMES IN THE AREA.
UM, I ALSO CLEAN HOUSES AND I CLEAN A COUPLE ST AND THOSE PROPERTIES, WHEN THEY FIRST PURCHASED THEM, WERE IN POOR REPAIR AND THEY CAME IN AND CLEANED IT ALL UP.
THEY MAINTAIN THE PROPERTY, THEY KEEP IT NICE AND CLEAN.
UM, THE HOUSES LOOK MUCH BETTER THAN THEY DID BEFOREHAND.
DO Y'ALL HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR AN SDRO UH, OPERATOR? HOST ANY QUESTIONS?
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WHAT, WHAT WOULD YOU SAY TO YOUR NEIGHBORS THAT MAYBE AREN'T INTERESTED IN MEETING THE PEOPLE THAT ARE COMING TO STAY WITH YOU? I MEAN, YOU, THIS FABRIC OF THE COMMUNITY, LIKE THEY, THEY CHOSE TO LIVE IN A SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOOD AND THEY DON'T WANT, I MEAN, POTENTIALLY 99 OUT OF, WELL, POTENTIALLY EVERYONE HAS, UM, GOOD INTENTIONS AND YOU HAVE GOOD GUESTS, BUT WHAT ABOUT YOUR NEIGHBOR THAT DOESN'T WANT THOSE STRANGERS COMING AND GOING? I THINK THOSE SAME NEIGHBORS DON'T LIKE THE LONG-TERM RENTAL TWO DOORS DOWN.I THINK THOSE SAME NEIGHBORS PROBABLY AREN'T ENGAGED IN THE COMMUNITY.
UM, I'M VERY ACTIVE IN MY COMMUNITY, PART OF THE TASK FORCE, UH, ACTIVE WITH MY CHURCH.
I INVITE MY GUESTS TO CHURCH WITH ME.
THEY SIT DOWN AND EAT MEALS WITH ME AT MY HOUSE.
UM, AND I, I'VE HAD REALLY GOOD GUESS.
I DON'T KNOW WHAT TO SAY, RIGHT.
SO UNDER, I'M NOT, I'M NOT QUESTIONING YOUR INTENTIONS OR YOUR CHURCH SERVICE OR THE, I BELIEVE THAT YOU RUN A GREAT AIRBNB, BUT MY QUESTION IS, YOUR NEIGHBORS CHOSE TO LIVE IN A SINGLE FAMILY NEIGHBORHOOD, AND THAT MEANS THAT THEY'RE GONNA HAVE A HOUSE NEXT TO NEIGHBORS THAT ARE THERE LONG TERM.
AND SO WHAT DO YOU SAY TO THE NEIGHBOR THAT DOESN'T WANT ALL THESE PEOPLE COMING AND GOING OUT OF THEIR NEIGHBORHOOD? I, I THINK THAT IT'S, IT RESPON MY RESPONSIBILITY TO CREATE A RELATIONSHIP WITH THOSE NEIGHBORS AND HELP EDUCATE THEM AND LET THEM UNDERSTAND MORE AND TO BE AVAILABLE TO THEM SHOULD THEY HAVE QUESTIONS OR CONCERNS.
NEXT WOULD BE JOHN STAFFORD, FOLLOWED BY CHRISTIE LEWIS AND THEN GREG PATELLO.
SO WE HAVE 73,000 HOUSING UNITS IN THE CITY.
EXCUSE ME, SIR, 400 YOUR NAME.
JOHN STAFFORD 1401 HARVEST GLEN DRIVE, PLANO, TEXAS 7 5 0 2 3.
WE HAVE 73,000 HOUSING UNITS IN THIS CITY.
WE HAVE 400 SHORT TERM RENTALS AND 15 THAT ARE PROBLEMS. JUST SEEMS TO ME THAT WE'RE MAKING A BIG DEAL OUT OF A VERY SMALL NUMBER OF UNITS HERE IN THIS CITY.
UM, BILL YOU BROUGHT UP, WHAT DO YOU DO WHEN SOMEBODY IS HAVING A PARTY? WELL, MY NEXT DOOR NEIGHBOR WHO OWNS HIS HOUSE, HAD A PARTY LAST NIGHT.
THERE WERE 20 CARS PARKED OUT ON THE STREET IN FRONT OF MY HOUSE, AROUND THE CORNER, AROUND MY HOUSE.
AND WHAT DO I DO WHEN SOMEBODY WHO OWNS THEIR HOME WANTS TO HAVE A PARTY? WELL, I LET THEM BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, WE'RE HUMAN BEINGS.
OKAY? I LOVE IT WHEN FRIENDS COME OVER TO MY HOUSE AND HANG OUT AT MY HOUSE WHEN SOMEBODY COMES OVER SOMEBODY WHO DOESN'T LIVE IN MY NEIGHBORHOOD, THIS IS NO DIFFERENT.
IF YOU'VE GOT SOMEBODY THAT'S COMING IN FOR A VACATION RENTAL WHO GOES OUT, DOES SOMETHING IN DALLAS, AND THEN COMES BACK AND SLEEPS IN A BED IN PLANO AT NIGHT, THAN IF I HAVE A FRIEND COME OVER AND JUST HANG OUT AND HAVE BEERS WITH ME, IT'S NOT REALLY AN ISSUE.
THERE ARE NEIGHBORS THAT ARE PROBLEMATIC WHO HAVE OWNED THEIR HOUSES OR HAVE LONG-TERM LEASES AT THEIR HOUSES.
AND I'M FAILING TO SEE HOW, OH, OKAY.
WE HAVE, YOU KNOW, WE MOVE THE PROBLEM CHILDREN FROM 0.15% OF POLICE RESPONSES TO 0.33% OF POLICE RESPONSES.
I MEAN, THAT'S A MICROSCOPIC AMOUNT OF ISSUE THAT WE'RE HAVING WITH A WHOLE BUNCH OF BRUHAHA OVER SOMETHING THAT IS INCREDIBLY MINOR.
UH, I'M LOOKING AT THE PROPOSAL THAT WAS POSTED IN THE AGENDA PACKET TODAY, AND WE WANT TO HAVE A ONE BEDROOM BED AND BREAKFAST, A TWO TO FIVE BEDROOM BED AND BREAKFAST.
PLATO HAS AN AGING POPULATION.
WE HAVE A LOT OF SENIOR CITIZENS WHO WISH TO AGE IN PLACE IN THEIR HOME, AND SOME OF THOSE PEOPLE WILL RENT OUT ROOMS IN THEIR HOMES SO THAT THEY CAN HAVE SOME SUPPLEMENTARY INCOME IN THEIR RETIREMENT.
DO WE WANT TO MAKE THOSE PEOPLE WHO ARE PROBABLY, IF THEY'RE TRYING TO RENT OUT THE ROOMS IN ORDER TO MAKE SUPPLEMENTARY INCOME, DO WE WANT TO MAKE THOSE PEOPLE PAY A THOUSAND DOLLARS REGISTRATION FEE? SOMEBODY WHO CAN'T AFFORD A THOUSAND DOLLARS REGISTRATION FEE JUST TO RENT OUT A ROOM IN THEIR HOME, THAT DOESN'T QUITE MAKE SENSE TO ME THAT WE'RE GOING TO FORCE SOMEBODY WHO IS JUST RENTING AN EXTRA BEDROOM IN THEIR HOUSE TO DO THAT.
AND IF I'M A SENIOR CITIZEN IN A THREE BEDROOM HOME AND I'M THE ONLY PERSON IN THERE, WHY ARE WE MAKING A DISTINCTION BETWEEN TWO TO FIVE BEDROOMS AND
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ONE BEDROOM? WHY CAN'T I RENT OUT BOTH BEDROOMS IN MY HOUSE? IT DOESN'T MAKE SENSE TO ME THAT WE WOULD MAKE THAT DISTINCTION BETWEEN ONE AND TWO TO FIVE.SO, SO YOUR TIME IS WHEN YOU GUYS HAVE YOUR TIME TO THINK ABOUT IT, TAKE INTO CONSIDERATION THE NEEDS OF OUR POPULATION.
UM, NO, NO, WE'RE GONNA MOVE ON.
WE'RE GONNA, WE'RE GONNA MOVE ON.
WE'LL GET TIME LATER TO TO DISCUSS IT.
BILL, PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS.
CHRISTY LEWIS, 2109 BENGAL LANE, PLANO, TEXAS 7 5 0 2 3.
HELLO, MY NAME IS CHRISTY LEWIS.
I'M A PLANO RESIDENT AND ALSO AN AIRBNB SUPERHOST.
I'VE BEEN A HOST ON AIRBNB FOR SIX YEARS AND BEEN HOSTING THIS AIRBNB IN PLANO FOR ABOUT THREE YEARS.
MY SHORT TERM RENTAL BUSINESS IS ONLY A SMALL PORTION OF MY OVERALL INCOME.
I'D BE CONSIDERING IT A SIDE HUSTLE.
UM, HOWEVER, RECENTLY IT'S BECOME A NECESSITY IN SUPPLEMENTING MY INCOME DUE TO THE COST OF LIVING INCREASES IN INFLATION WE'RE ALL CURRENTLY FACING HERE.
I INITIALLY STARTED RENTED MY RENTING MY HOME AS AN STR BECAUSE MY FULL-TIME JOB REQUIRED ME TO TRAVEL TWO TO THREE TIMES A WEEK OR TWO TO THREE WEEKS A MONTH, LEAVING MY PROPERTY VACANT, UM, AND UNCARED FOR A WHILE WAS AWAY.
HAVING TENANTS STAY ON THE PROPERTY WHILE I WAS AWAY, ENSURE IT WAS WELL MAINTAINED, UM, AND PROTECTED FROM BREAK-INS, ET CETERA.
I NOW LIVE WITH MY FIANCE IN A DIFFERENT HOME IN PLANO, UH, FULL-TIME.
AND I OPTED TO CONTINUE TO RENT MY OTHER HOME WHILE I MOVED IN WITH HIM IN DECEMBER.
UM, DURING THE PAST THREE YEARS OF RENTING OUT MY HOME, I'VE HOSTED SOME INCREDIBLE FAMILIES FROM ALL WALKS OF LIFE.
UM, AND I WANTED TO SHARE TWO STORIES IN PARTICULAR WITH YOU GUYS THAT HAVE STUCK WITH ME.
UM, IN JUNE, 2022, I HOSTED FOUR ADULTS AND TWO CHILDREN FROM BELARUS.
UH, THIS FAMILY HAD BEEN AWARDED THE LOTTERY TO RECEIVE US VISAS AND WERE BEGINNING THEIR LIVES HERE IN A BRAND NEW COUNTRY.
IT WAS CONVENIENTLY LOCATED TO PUBLIC TRANSPORTATION, WALKING DISTANCE TO SHOPPING AND RESTAURANTS.
THEY DIDN'T HAVE A VEHICLE TO GET AROUND, SO IT WAS A VERY CONVENIENT OPTION.
DURING THEIR STAY, I HAD THE PLEASURE OF ASSISTING THEM TO ESTABLISH THEIR RESIDENCY HERE, GET THEIR DRIVER'S LICENSE, FIND PERMANENT HOUSING FOR THEM.
THEY SO KINDLY INVITED ME AND MY FIANCE TO HAVE DINNER WITH THEM ONE NIGHT, AND WE WOUND UP GETTING TO KNOW THEM REALLY WELL.
WE STILL KEPT IN TOUCH WITH THEM TO THIS DAY.
AND WE'RE GREAT FRIENDS TO OURS WHO NOW LIVE JUST DOWN THE STREET, LEGACY WEST.
UM, I HAVE A LOT OF SIMILAR STORIES TO SHARE.
UM, I KEEP IN TOUCH WITH A LOT OF MY, UH, GUESTS.
UM, AM I RUNNING OUTTA TIME? OKAY,
UM, I STILL HAVE A, UH, FAMILY LIVING THERE NOW, UM, FROM SOUTH AFRICA WITH A SIMILAR SITUATION.
THEY'RE COMING HERE TO GET THEIR VISAS.
THEIR FAMILY IS ESTABLISHED HERE IN PLANO AND THEY'RE LOOKING FOR A PLACE TO LIVE PERMANENTLY IN PLANO AS WELL.
UM, I WOULD JUST ASK YOU TO RECONSIDER, UM, THIS VOTE.
UH, I THINK THERE'S A LOT OF VALUE IN HAVING SHORT TERM RENTALS HERE.
NEXT GREG, GREG PATELLO, FOLLOWED BY DANIELLA LETTERER AND CINDY PATELLO.
I'VE LIVED AT 62 29 WESTCHESTER LANE FOR MORE THAN 30 YEARS.
84% OF PLANO RESIDENTS THAT HAVE EXPERIENCED AN ISSUE WITH THE SHORT-TERM RENTAL DID NOT INVOLVE LAW ENFORCEMENT.
YOU CAN FORGET EVERYTHING ELSE I SAY HERE TONIGHT, BUT WHEN CALLS FOR SERVICE DATA RELATED TO SHORT-TERM RENTALS ARE PRESENTED A REFERENCE, HEAR MY VOICE IN YOUR HEAD, 84% OF PLANO RESIDENTS DO NOT INVOLVE LAW ENFORCEMENT WHEN THEY EXPERIENCE ISSUES WITH SHORT-TERM RENTALS.
THIS DATA COMES FROM THE SURVEY OF PLANO RESIDENTS CONDUCTED BY GAP STRATEGIES IN MAY OF LAST YEAR.
QUESTION NUMBER NINE OF THE SURVEY ASK RESPONDENTS IF THEY EXPERIENCED AN ISSUE WITH THE SHORT-TERM RENTAL.
AND QUESTION 10 ASKED THOSE RESPONDENTS TO INDICATE WHAT ACTION, IF ANY, THEY TOOK TO RESOLVE THE ISSUE IN QUESTION NINE.
THERE WERE 3,400 RESPONDENTS THAT TOLD YOU THEY EXPERIENCED AT LEAST ONE ISSUE WITH THE SHORT-TERM RENTAL.
AND WHILE BOTH, UH, ARE VERY SMALL FRACTIONS, THE 3,400 RESPONDENTS REPRESENTS MORE THAN 1% OF PLANOS POPULATION.
WHILE SHORT-TERM RENTALS REPRESENT ROUGHLY 0.4% OF, OF, UH, HOUSING UNITS IN PLANO, THE RESPONSES TO QUESTION 10 REVEAL THE HUMAN BEHAVIOR OF RESIDENTS DEALING WITH THE PROBLEMS CREATED BY SHORT-TERM RENTALS WITH 40%
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TELLING YOU THEY DID NOTHING TO REPORT OR RESOLVE THE ISSUE ON AT LEAST ONE OCCASION.18% PLACED CALLS FOR SERVICE TO THE OWNER, HOST, OR PROPERTY MANAGER, WHICH THE CITY DOES NOT CAPTURE.
AND AN EVEN FEWER 16% INVOLVED LAW ENFORCEMENT TO CREATE THE CALLS FOR SERVICE DATA THAT EVERYONE SEES AS MUCH AS ANYONE I KNOW HOW DIFFICULT AND ARDUOUS THE TASK OF COM, UH, CREATING THE CALLS FOR SERVICE DATA FOR SHORT TERM RENTALS WAS, AND I APPRECIATE AND COMMEND THE CITY STAFF AND PLANO BT PD FOR THEIR WORK.
SO LET ME BE VERY CLEAR, I'M NOT CHALLENGING ANY OF THE DATA, NOR AM I SUGGESTING DATA BE EXCLUDED OR DISREGARDED IS QUITE THE OPPOSITE.
I'M SUGGESTING THAT ALL THE DATA THE CITY HAS COLLECTED SHOULD BE USED WHEN ATTEMPTING TO UNDERSTAND AND ASSESS THE IMPACT OF SHORT-TERM RENTALS ON THE QUALITY OF LIFE IN PLANO.
THE COST FOR DATA SERVICE, A REPRESENTATIVE OF THE PROBLEMS RESIDENTS HAVE EXPERIENCED WITH SHORT-TERM RENTALS, NOT DEFINITIVE.
GIVEN THE CORRELATION BETWEEN SAMPLE SIZE AND DISTRIBUTION AND DATA AND STATISTICAL ANALYSIS, IT IS NOT UNREASONABLE TO ATTRIBUTE EITHER IN WHOLE OR IN PART THE SMALL NUMBER OR 15% OF THE SHORT TERM RENTALS THAT HAVE HAD CALLS FOR SERVICE TO THE FACT THAT ONLY 16% OF RESIDENTS THAT ARE EXPERIENCING PROBLEMS ARE CONTRIBUTING TO THE DATA SAMPLE.
THANK YOU FOR THEIR TIME THIS EVENING.
DANELLA SANTANA LETTER FOLLOWED BY CINDY PATELLO AND EDDIE LETTER EVENING COMMISSIONERS.
MY NAME'S LYNETTE MAGANA AND I WILL BE TRANSLATING FOR MS. DANELLA.
UH, SHE WILL, SHE WOULD LIKE TO ADDRESS THE COMMISSION IN SPANISH, WHICH IS HER NATIVE TONGUE.
A LITTLE BIT GOOD IN ENGLISH, BUT UH, IT'S BETTER IN SPANISH FOR ME.
UH, I AM RESIDENT OF PLANO AND SHORT TERM RENTAL HOUSE FOR MANY, UH, YEARS.
AH, I SAY IN ENGLISH, SO SORRY.
NO, YOU'RE DOING, YOU'RE DOING GREAT.
DID YOU GUYS KNOW YOU WERE THAT GOOD?
I URGE YOU TO CONSIDER THE PERCENTAGE OF CRIMES THAT ARE, THAT OCCUR IN THE CITY OF PLANO AND WHICH, WHICH OF THESE CRIMES ARE RELATED TO SHORT TERM RENTALS.
YOU'LL FIND THAT THE CORRELATION IS ALMOST NON-EXISTENT.
IT'S IMPORTANT TO NOTE THAT ALL PROPERTIES AND RENTERS, WHETHER SHORT OR LONG TERM, HAVE THE POTENTIAL TO CREATE DISTURBANCES.
RENTAL SHOULD HAVE, SHOULD BE ADDRESSED EFFECTIVELY.
ENFORCING ORDINANCES WOULD BE A MORE APPROPRIATE SOLUTION RATHER THAN UNFAIRLY TARGETING RESPONSIBLE SDR HOSTS SUCH AS US RENTAL RENTAL.
SHE SAID, UH, AS AN A SHORT TERM RENTAL HOST, ONE OF THE FIRST STEPS THEY TAKE IS ASK THE INDIVIDUALS, UH, RENTING THE HOME, WHAT THEIR INTENTIONS ARE FOR THE HOME AND WHY THEY ARE IN PLANO.
YES, BECAUSE WE, WE TRY TO PROTECT NOT ONLY OUR PROPERTY, WE TRY TO PROTECT OUR, UH, NEIGHBORS BECAUSE REALLY WE TAKE CARE OF THEM TOO.
RENTAL, LONG TERM RENTAL, OKAY.
RESPECTING OUR NEIGHBORS IS KEY TO GOOD COEXISTENCE.
WHETHER IT'S SHORT TERM RENTAL, LONG-TERM RENTAL, OR IF WE ARE THE PROPERTY OWNERS.
UNDERSTANDING AND RESPECTING OTHERS' NE NEEDS, EVEN IF THEY DIFFER FROM US, IS ESSENTIAL TO HARMONIOUS LIVING RENTALS.
IT IS UNFAIR FOR EVERYONE, THE, THE HOST, UM, TO DEAL WITH THE CONSEQUENCES OF FEW INDIVIDUALS NOT FULFILLING THEIR RESPONSIBILITIES AS S TO R OR SHORT TERM RENTAL HOSTS.
OKAY? I HAVE MANY OTHER THINGS TO DO, BUT I FEEL LIKE, UH, SPANISH, ENGLISH, ALL
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THAT KIND OF THING, UH, IS, IS MORE LONG TIME.BUT I WANT TO SAY THAT THANK YOU SO MUCH TO, UH, HEAR MY SIDE OF THAT STORY ABOUT SHORT-TERM RENTALS.
AND REALLY WE ARE, UH, A LOT OF SHORT-TERM RENTAL OWNERS, RESPONSIBLES.
AND I REALLY LIKE THAT YOU, UH, LISTEN US HAVE THE TIME TO REALLY LISTEN OUR PERSPECTIVES ABOUT THAT SITUATION.
WE FEEL A LITTLE BIT LIKE, UM, EH, UH, EVERYTHING LOOK MORE AS A ONE SIDE AND NOT TOO MUCH PEOPLE IN THE OTHER SIDE THAT THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR GIVING ME THE OPPORTUNITY TO TALK WITH MY BY ENGLISH
AND I WOULD LIKE TO NOMINATE LYNETTE FOR A ROLE AT THE UN AS A INTERPRETER.
HELLO, MY NAME IS CINDY PATILLO.
I LIVE AT 6 2 2 9 WESTCHESTER LANE.
I'VE LIVED THERE FOR 30 YEARS.
I'M HERE TO TALK SPECIFICALLY ABOUT THE SHORT-TERM RENTAL TASK FORCE.
UM, OBVIOUSLY IT WAS VERY CHALLENGING TO CREATE A GROUP WITH STRONG OPINIONS ON BOTH SIDES OF THE ISSUE OF SHORT-TERM RENTALS.
AND I COMMEND THE CITY FOR PUTTING TOGETHER A GROUP THAT ALLOWED MULTIPLE VOICES AND PERSPECTIVES ON THE SHORT-TERM RENTAL ISSUE TO BE HEARD.
I'VE ATTENDED TASK FORCE MEETINGS AS AN OBSERVER, AND I'VE IDENTIFIED A MINIMUM OF FOUR OF THE 18 PARTICIPANTS, OR ROUGHLY 22% OF THE TOTAL WHO CONSISTENTLY EXPRESSED PRO STR SENTIMENTS.
THAT'S DESPITE THE FACT THAT A VERY SMALL PERCENTAGE OF PLANO HOUSEHOLDS ARE SHORT-TERM RENTALS.
THE STATISTIC YOU'VE ALREADY HEARD TONIGHT IS THAT OUT OF ALMOST 118,000 HOUSEHOLDS, 464 ARE SHORT-TERM RENTALS.
USING THAT VERY CONSERVATIVE ESTIMATE FOR SHORT-TERM RENTAL OWNERS TO BE FAIRLY REPRESENTED ON THE, ON THE TASK FORCE, THERE WOULD'VE BEEN ONE PRO STR MEMBER ON A TASK FORCE TOTALING 256 MEMBERS.
I'M NOT SUGGESTING THAT'S HOW IT SHOULD HAVE BEEN.
I'M MERELY POINTING OUT THAT THE MAKEUP OF THE TASK FORCE CLEARLY DEMONSTRATES THAT THE CITY WORKED VERY HARD TO ENSURE THAT MULTIPLE PERSPECTIVES WERE REPRESENTATIVE REPRESENTED AND THOSE WHO IDENTIFY AS PRO STR, ALTHOUGH RELATIVELY SMALL IN NUMBER, HAD A SIGNIFICANT VOICE IN THE CONVERSATION.
I RESPECTFULLY ASK THAT YOU KEEP THIS IN MIND IF ANYONE TRIES TO TELL YOU OTHERWISE.
SEPARATELY, BECAUSE I HAVE A FEW MINUTES.
THE SHORT-TERM RENTAL BEHIND ME HAS BEEN ONE FOR YEARS.
AND I HAVE TOLERATED THE, WHAT'S DESCRIBED AS LET'S JUST GO OUTSIDE AND HAVE A BEER EVERY WEEKEND.
NOT WITH MY NEIGHBOR AND A GUEST, BUT WITH RANDOM STRANGERS.
THEY GO OUT, THEY HAVE A BEER, THEY HAVE A PARTY, THEY STAY OUT BY THE POOL TILL LATE, AND THEN THEY LEAVE AND THEN ANOTHER PERSON SHOWS UP THE NEXT WEEKEND TO DO THE SAME.
I HAVE NO RELATIONSHIP WITH THESE PEOPLE.
I CAN'T GO TALK TO THEM ABOUT THE FACT THAT THEY'RE LOUD BECAUSE I DON'T KNOW THEM.
AND SOMEBODY NEW WILL BE THERE THE NEXT TIME.
MY SHORT-TERM RENTAL, AS I LIKE TO CALL IT, BECAME A LONG-TERM RENTAL APPROXIMATELY A YEAR AGO WHEN A WOMAN'S HOME FLOODED AND SHE MOVED IN.
I HAVE NOT CALLED THE POLICE ONCE IN A YEAR PRIOR TO THAT.
IN THE 30 YEARS I'VE LIVED IN PLANO, I'VE NEVER EVER CALLED THE POLICE ON A NEIGHBOR.
IMAGINE MY HEARTBREAK THIS PAST WEEKEND WHEN I SAW THE MOVING VAN PULL UP TO MOVE THIS WOMAN OUT OF THAT HOUSE.
'CAUSE I KNEW IT WAS ABOUT TO START ALL OVER AGAIN, 30 SECONDS.
AND THEN THANKFULLY I SAW THE MOVING TRUCK PULL IN AND TAKE ALL THE SHORT-TERM RENTAL FURNITURE OUT.
AND I ASKED THE PERSON DOING THE MOVING, HAS THE HOUSE BEEN SOLD? AND HE SAID, NO.
ANOTHER LONG-TERM RENTER IS MOVING IN.
SO FOR ME, HOPEFULLY AT LEAST FOR ANOTHER YEAR, THIS PROBLEM WILL NOT REAR ITS UGLY HEAD.
I'VE BEEN HERE FOR TWO YEARS IN FRONT OF THE CITY COUNCIL TRYING TO RESOLVE IT.
AND I LOOK FORWARD TO YOU ALL CONTRIBUTING TO WHAT IS A GOOD SOLUTION FOR THE CITY OF PLANO.
NEXT CHRISTIE, EDDIE LETTERER.
AND DO WE HAVE ANYBODY AFTER HIM? FOLLOWED BY CLARA DUMPTY AND KRISTEN REER.
I THINK MY WIFE DID A GREAT, UH, GREAT JOB UP HERE, SPEAKING ENGLISH, DIDN'T SHE? UH, MY NAME IS EDDIE LETTERER.
I LIVE AT 1608 ASITE TRAIL, PLANO, TEXAS 7 5 0 7 5.
UM, I RESPECTFULLY BELIEVE THAT THE TASK FORCE ASSEMBLED WAS NOT PROPERLY REPRESENTATIVE BY BOTH ANTI AND PRO SDR MEMBERS.
AND THEREFORE, THE FLAVOR OF THE FINDINGS THAT I'VE READ SO FAR SUPPORT A VERY BIASED AGENDA.
I'VE LIVED IN MY SAME HOME FOR 34 OF THOSE 40 YEARS.
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THE PAST SEVEN YEARS.I'VE SUCCESSFULLY SHARED MY HOME ABOUT 45% OF THE TIME.
I DO THIS OUT OF A NEED FOR SUPPLEMENTING MY RETIREMENT INCOME, AND I THINK WE DO A PHENOMENAL JOB DOING THAT.
I ONLY RENT MY PRIMARY RESIDENCE.
I'M NOT LOOKING TO BUILD A PORTFOLIO OF STR THROUGHOUT THE PLANO COMMUNITY.
BUT I WILL TELL YOU THIS, THAT THE SHORT TERM RENTAL MODEL, UNLIKE A LONG TERM RENTAL, GIVES ME COMPLETE CONTROL THAT GUESTS COMPLY WITH A VERY STRICT GOOD NEIGHBOR POLICY THAT I'VE ESTABLISHED.
AND I'VE DONE THAT IN CONJUNCTION WITH SPEAKING TO MY NEIGHBORS.
I BELIEVE THAT THE KEY TO ANY RENTAL, I DON'T CARE IF IT'S LONG TERM OR SHORT TERM, I THINK IT'S RESPONSIBLE OWNERSHIP.
I'M A RESPONSIBLE OWNER, I'M A RESPECTFUL NEIGHBOR, AND I CARE DEEPLY ABOUT MY COMMUNITY.
I KNOW YOU HAVE A LOT UP THERE.
THERE'S NOT A REGISTRATION PROCESS IN PLACE RIGHT NOW.
I'VE BEEN OPERATING FOR SEVEN YEARS WITHOUT A REGISTRATION PROCESS.
I HAVE NO PROBLEM WITH THAT WHATSOEVER.
I CERTAINLY BELIEVE THAT THERE SHOULD BE A GRANDFATHERING AND I THINK THERE SHOULD BE SPECIAL CIRCUMSTANCES FOR PEOPLE THAT ARE LOOKING TO RENT THEIR PROPERTIES THAT ARE EARMARKED AS PRIMARY RESIDENCE.
THERE SHOULD BE AN EXCEPTION FOR THAT AS A MINIMUM.
HOST TRAINING AND BEST PRACTICES.
I THINK EVERYBODY SHOULD TELL TO THAT.
I THINK THERE SHOULD BE GOOD NEIGHBOR POLICIES.
WE DO NOT LIST OUR PROPERTY ON AIRBNB.
WE DON'T LIST IT ON VRBO WITHOUT INCLUDING IN OUR LISTING ONE MINUTE.
THE THE GOOD NEIGHBOR POLICIES THAT WE EXPECT PEOPLE TO UPHOLD TO.
WE PROBABLY TURNED 15 PEOPLE AWAY JUST 'CAUSE MY SENSE OF IT IS JUST NOT WHAT I WANT IN MY HOME AND NOT WHAT I WOULD WANT IN THE COMMUNITY.
NOT SAYING THAT THEY HAD ILL WILL, BUT IT'S JUST THE SENSE OF WHAT I WANT.
SO I ASK A LOT OF QUESTIONS AND I THINK CERTAIN PEOPLE PROBABLY SAY, WHO'S THIS GUY ASKING ME ALL THE QUESTIONS? WE PUT THOSE POLICIES IN OUR LISTING, WE PUBLISH THEM IN OUR HOMES, WE MAKE SURE THAT OUR NEIGHBORS KNOW WHAT'S GOING ON AND IF THERE'S A PROBLEM, NEIGHBORS KNOW THEY CAN CALL US DIRECT AND IT WILL BE RESOLVED IMMEDIATELY.
I THINK MAYBE A MINIMUM OF A, OF A TWO DAY, UH, BOOKING REQUIREMENT WOULD AVOID PROBABLY IF THERE ARE PROBLEMS OUT THERE OF PEOPLE LOOKING FOR A RAGE PARTY WOULD ELIMINATE 95, 90 8% OF THAT.
AND THEN I THINK THERE SHOULD BE CONSEQUENCES FOR REPEAT OFFENDERS.
AND I WOULD FINALLY, I WOULD JUST SAY THAT GOOD DECISIONS ARE BASED ON GOOD INFORMATION AND THE RIGHT DATA, BUT THAT DATA SHOULD NOT BE INTERPRETED TO SUPPORT ONE-SIDED AGENDA.
THANK YOU CLARA AND KRISTEN REER, COREY REER, AND THEN ANNETTE.
I'VE BEEN A PLANNER RESIDENT IN THE PAST, UM, 15 YEARS.
I'M A MOTHER OF, UH, THREE CHILDREN.
UM, I WORK FOR A GOLD NEST MANAGEMENT COMPANY.
WE MANAGE PROPERTIES ALL OVER THE DFW HOUSTON AND OBVIOUSLY ALSO IN PLANO.
WE NEVER HAD A SINGLE COMPLAINT IN OUR SDRS, AND IT'S DUE TO AMAZING RELATIONSHIPS WE HAVE WITH THE NEIGHBORS.
EVERY TIME WE HAVE A NEW SDR, WE LET ALL THE NEIGHBORS AROUND US KNOW THAT WE'RE COMING.
YOU CAN CONTACT US WITH ANY ISSUE THAT YOU HAVE.
WE DO A LOT OF BACKGROUND CHECKS.
WE HAVE NOISE MONITORING DEVICES, WE HAVE CAMERAS.
AND I WAS KIND OF SURPRISED, I'M SORRY.
I JUST WANNA SAY I'M ALSO PART OF THE TASK FORCE.
SO I'M ONE OF THE FOUR PEOPLE PRO.
UM, I WANNA SAY THAT I WAS A LITTLE BIT SURPRISED TO READ IT.
WE ARE VACATION HOMES BECAUSE I LIVE IN PLANO.
THIS IS NOT REALLY A PLACE FOR VACATIONS.
SO I THINK THAT IT'S MORE OF LIKE HOUSING SOLUTIONS AND I THINK THAT A LOT OF FAMILIES THAT NEED, UM, A HOUSING SOLUTION FOR A TEMPORARY OR SHORT TIME, UM, CAN FIND IT WITH AN STR.
I HAVE A FRIEND WHO HAD THIS PAST WINTER, A PIPE BROKE, AND SHE'S A SINGLE MOM, STRUGGLING SINGLE MOM WITH FOUR KIDS THAT HAD TO GO TO, UM, A DIFFERENT
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HOUSE AND COULDN'T STAY IN A HOTEL ROOM FOR A MONTH OR TWO MONTHS OR HOW LONG IT TOOK, UM, AND KEEP SENDING HER KIDS TO SCHOOL AND BE ON TIME FOR WORK.SO I DON'T REALLY SEE HOW THIS IS CONSIDERED AS VACATION HOMES, AND I DON'T REALLY LIKE THE, THE TERMS. UM, AND I REALLY THINK THAT THERE'S A LOT OF POSITIVE THINGS THAT SDR CAN, UM, CAN DO IN PLANO.
I ALSO WANNA SAY THAT I LIVE IN A REAL GOOD, GOOD NEIGHBORHOOD.
UM, I HAVE AN HOA AND, UM, I DON'T HAVE AMAZING NEIGHBORS, SO UNFORTUNATELY I DON'T HAVE PEOPLE THAT COMING AND GOING.
I HAVE PEOPLE THAT ARE ALWAYS THERE, ALWAYS HAVING PARTIES, ALWAYS HAVING PAR, UM, SORRY, CARS IN MY STREET IN FRONT OF MY DOOR.
MY RING IS RINGING ALL THE TIME.
I HAVE PEOPLE KNOCKING ON MY DOOR, THINK I IT'S MY HOUSE ALL THE TIME, AND THIS IS MY NEIGHBOR'S AND I CAN'T DO ANYTHING ABOUT IT.
SO I HONESTLY DON'T THINK THAT THE SOCIAL FABRIC IS REALLY AN ISSUE.
ANY QUESTIONS? NO, WE'RE WE'LL.
TAKE THE NEXT SPEAKER, PLEASE.
NEXT WE HAVE KRISTEN REER REER, SORRY.
I HAVE BEEN A RESIDENT OF PLANO FOR OVER 14 YEARS, AND I LIVE RIGHT HERE IN OLD TOWN PLANO.
AND SINCE 2017, MY HUSBAND AND I HAVE BEEN SHORT-TERM RENTAL HOSTS AND WE'VE HOSTED HUNDREDS OF GUESTS.
MANY HAVE BEEN BECOME LAUGH LIFELONG FRIENDS.
OUR NEIGHBORS HAVE BEEN FULLY SUPPORTIVE OF THIS USE AND HAVE ENJOYED MEETING MANY OF OUR GUESTS OVER THE YEARS.
AS STR HOSTS, IT HAS BEEN PROVIDED US FLEXIBILITY, FINANCIAL STABILITY, ESPECIALLY WHEN I LOST MY JOB IN 2020 AND HAS GIVEN US THE ABILITY TO REINVEST IN OUR HOME AS ONE OF THE TASK FORCE MEMBERS.
I'M DEEPLY CONCERNED WITH THIS, THE OUTCOME OF THE TASK FORCE AND THE BIASED REPORT.
THROUGHOUT THE PROCESS, THE CITY AND THE TASK FORCE WAS FOCUSED ON ALL THE NEGATIVES AND FAILED TO EXPLORE THE POSITIVE ASPECTS OF SDRS AND PLANO.
ASIDE FROM THE FOUR MEMBERS ON THE TASK FORCE, THE CITY DID NOT ENGAGE WITH THE KNOWN SHORT-TERM RENTAL PROPERTY OWNERS.
THEY SHOULD HAVE IN, THEY SHOULD HAVE SOUGHT THE INPUT FROM THE THIS GROUP OF OPERATORS.
AND CONTRARY TO WHAT THE OTHER SIDE MIGHT, MIGHT HAVE, YOU THINK WE ARE NORMAL PEOPLE JUST LIKE EVERYONE ELSE IN THIS ROOM.
AND MANY OF US ARE PLANO RESIDENTS.
AND OUR VIEW, OUR VOICE DESERVES TO BE HEARD JUST AS MUCH AS OUR NEIGHBORS.
AND BY ENGAGING WITH THE SDR OPERATORS, THE TASK FORCE AND THE CITY COULD HAVE BUILT A RECORD OF DATA OF HOW SDRS ARE USED IN PLANO AND HOW RUNNING AN SDR BENEFITS NEIGHBORS AND PROPERTY OWNERS IN PLANO.
PLANO AS AN SDR HOST MYSELF, A MAJORITY OF THE GUESTS WE WELCOME ARE IN TOWN FOR VARIOUS REASONS, SUCH AS MOVING TO PLANO, VISITING ON BUSINESS, VISITING FAMILY MEMBERS.
MOSTLY WE GET A LOT OF GRANDPARENTS VISITING NEW GRANDKIDS.
SOME WE HAVE COMING TO RECEIVE MEDICAL CARE AND NEED TO SAY SOMEWHERE MORE SECLUDED THAN A HOTEL FAMILIES WHO HAVE BEEN DISPLACED FROM THEIR HOME DUE TO A NATURAL DISASTER OR SIMPLY RENOVATING THEIR ANO RESIDENTS.
VISITORS WHO STAY IN STRS ARE LIKELY TO SPEND MONEY IN THE COMMUNITY SUPPORTING LOCAL BUSINESSES LIKE RESTAURANTS AND SHOP SHOPS.
THEY ALSO ENGAGE, ARE MORE LIKELY TO ENGAGE WITH THE LOCAL COMMUNITY.
GUESTS CAN EXPERIENCE LIVING IN A RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOOD AND GAIN INSIGHTS INTO LOCAL LIFE, CUSTOMS AND TRADITIONS, WHICH IS NOT ALWAYS POSSIBLE IN A HOTEL SETTING.
I BELIEVE THAT SHORT-TERM RENTALS DO BELONG IN PLANO, AND THEY DO FILL A NICHE THAT TRADITIONAL HOTELS DO NOT MEET WHEN OPERATED THOUGHTFULLY WITH AN EYE TOWARDS BEING GOOD NEIGHBORS.
THEY PRESENT A UNIQUE RESIDENTIAL HOUSING TYPE THAT FILLS A NEED, SUPPORTS THEIR OWNERS, AND BENEFITS THE CITY AS A WHOLE.
AND SORRY, I DON'T LIKE PUBLIC SPEAKING.
NEXT, COREY REKER, ANNETTE BAMA, AND MS. BORE.
I LIVE AT 1814 N PLACE, UH, PLAN OH 7 5 0 7 4.
UM, YOU'VE ALREADY SEEN MOST OF, I THINK, WHAT I HAD TO SAY EARLIER THAT I EMAILED YOU TO, AND, AND THANKS FOR TAKING THAT UP SO QUICKLY.
IT TOOK ME QUITE A WHILE TO DIGEST THAT SINCE THE THE MEETING PACKET CAME OUT SO LATE ON FRIDAY.
UM, I WANT TO THANK CHAIR DYER AND, AND SECOND EVERYTHING HE SAID AND ALSO COMMEND STAFF, UH, AND THE TASK FORCE, UH, ON THEIR DILIGENT EFFORTS THROUGHOUT THIS ENTIRE PROCESS OVER THE PRECEDING MANY MONTHS.
UM, I'VE LIVED IN PLANO FOR 14 YEARS.
I'VE BEEN A HOMEOWNER HERE FOR 14 YEARS.
KRISTEN AND I RUN AN AIRB UH, SPARE BEDROOM ON AIRBNB IN OUR HOUSE.
UM, AND IN SEVEN YEARS OF HOSTING, WE'VE WELCOMED, WELCOMED HUNDREDS OF GUESTS INTO OUR HOME, MANY OF WHOM HAVE BECOME OUR FRIENDS.
I'M BEFORE TONIGHT TO RAISE A FEW CONCERNS I HAVE WITH THE WAY THE TASK FORCE PROCESS HAS PLAYED OUT.
THE PROCESS WAS BASED ON THE SUCCESSFUL
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ARLINGTON MODEL, UH, FOUNDED ON ROBUST PUBLIC INPUT.THE PROCESS IN PLANO DOES NOT APPEAR TO HAVE, HAVE TO HAVE ACHIEVED A SIMILAR LEVEL OF DEPTH AND RIGOR.
ONE ISSUE I'D LIKE TO RAISE IN PARTICULAR IS THE, THE SLANT OF THE TASK FORCE IN FAVOR OF THE HOMEOWNERS SEEKING TO BAN SDRS IN ALL SINGLE FAMILY NEIGHBORHOODS.
IN ARLINGTON, THE CITY ENGAGED WITH HOMEOWNERS, WITH BOTH HOMEOWNERS AND SDR HOSTS WITH AN EQUAL SEAT AT THE TABLE.
AND PLANO HOSTS HAVE BEEN OUTWEIGHED THROUGHOUT THE ENTIRE PROCESS.
DESPITE KNOWLEDGE OF ALL THE ACTIVE LISTINGS IN THE CITY.
STAFF CHOSE NOT TO ENGAGE IN OUTREACH TO HOSTS SAVE FOR THE FOUR HOST MANAGER MEMBERS ON THE TASK FORCE.
THE VIEWS AND EXPERIENCES OF HOSTS HAVE BEEN LARGELY ABSENT FROM THIS DISCUSSION OVER THE PAST YEAR.
THIS CRITICAL OVERSIGHT RAISES DOUBTS ABOUT THE VERACITY OF THE FINDINGS AND THE RECOMMENDATIONS OF THE TASK FORCE.
ZONING CHANGES INFORMED BY THESE REPORT REPORTS SHOULD LIKEWISE BE TREATED WITH A HEALTHY DOSE OF SKEPTICISM.
AS A HOST AND A COMMUNITY MEMBER, I BELIEVE SDRS FILL A NEED AND HAVE A PLACE IN PLANO.
EQUITABLE RE RE EQUITABLE REGULATIONS ARE JUSTIFIED TO BALANCE THE INTEREST OF BOTH HOMEOWNERS AND UH, SDR OWNERS.
WE HAVE A FEW MORE, CHRISTIE, OR HOW MANY MORE? TWO MORE.
I LIVE AT 36 29 CHURCHILL LANE, UM, IN PLANO 7 5 0 7 5.
UM, AND IT'S QUITE AN HONOR TO BE ABLE TO SPEAK IN FRONT OF Y'ALL AND BE ABLE TO ACTUALLY VOICE OPINIONS AND HAVE IT BE SUCH A, UM, OPEN PLATFORM OF DEBATE WHEN THERE IS SO MANY WIDE CONCERNS AND SO MANY VALID CONCERNS.
UM, THE JOB THAT YOU GUYS HAVE AHEAD OF YOU IS QUITE WEIGHTY.
UM, AND WHILE I WOULD NOT CLAIM TO KNOW ALL OF IT, UM, I SIMPLY WOULD LIKE TO KIND OF BRING FORTH MY EXPERIENCE AS A HOST.
ME AND MY FAMILY HAD THE PLEASURE OF MOVING TO PLANO BACK IN 1999, UM, AND SEEING PLANO GO THROUGH SO MANY CHANGES SINCE THEN.
IT IS ABSOLUTELY INSPIRATIONAL TO SEE.
UM, AND I THINK THAT SHORT TERM RENTALS CAN REALLY PLAY A WONDERFUL AND VITAL PART OF THAT GROWTH.
UM, I DO THINK THAT MAKING SURE THAT WE PROTECT KIND OF THE FABRIC OF THE COMMUNITY THAT WE HAVE IS IMPORTANT.
AND PART OF WHAT MAKES PLANO SO WONDERFUL AND SO UNIQUE IS ITS WELCOMING OF SO MANY DIFFERENT KINDS OF PEOPLE.
AND OUR ABILITY TO BALANCE ALL OF THAT INTO ONE UNIFIED AND WONDERFUL CITY TO LIVE IN.
AND I THINK IT'S PART OF THE SHORT TERM RENTAL.
ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I FIND WONDERFUL ABOUT HOSTING PEOPLE HERE IN PLANO SPECIFICALLY IS THAT I GET TO SHOW PEOPLE THAT, UM, AND SOME HOSTS AND SOME OF MY GUESTS WHO ORIGINALLY WOULD NEVER HAVE THOUGHT OF LIVING IN PLANO WERE LIKE, WOW, I HAD NEVER REALIZED THAT THERE WAS THIS AND THERE WAS THAT.
AND SO IT, SHORT TERM RENTALS CAN PLAY SUCH A VITAL ROLE IN INTRODUCING BOTH PLANO TO PEOPLE AND TEXAS TO PEOPLE
AND I THINK THAT IF HANDLED PROPERLY, IF GIVEN THE RIGHT SUPPORT, IF, UH, ADDRESSING ALL OF THE CONCERNS, WE CAN REALLY UNIFY AND HAVE THIS BE A VITAL PART OF HOW WE GROW OUR CITIES.
HELLO, MY NAME IS GINA MORRIE.
I LIVE AT 48 25 BULL RUN DRIVE, AND I'M GONNA BE SHORT AND SWEET.
I HAVE FOUND BEING A SHORT TERM RENTAL HOST, AND I'M ON SITE TO BE A WONDERFUL EXPERIENCE.
I'VE NOT HAD ANY ISSUES AND I MANAGE IT ACROSS THE BOARD.
I HAVE HAD FAMILIES COME IN FROM AUSTRALIA TO FROM INDIA TO ALL AROUND THE US AND EVERYBODY'S BEEN REALLY DELIGHTFUL.
SO I THINK IT WOULD BE A SHAME TO TAKE THOSE REVENUES, NOT JUST FROM US, BUT FROM THE CITY AS A WHOLE TOO.
IF THEY'RE STAYING IN OUR HOMES, THEY'RE OUT SHOPPING AND EATING IN ALL OF OUR RESTAURANTS AND STUFF, THERE'S SOMETHING TO BE SAID FOR THAT.
SO ANYWAY, THANK YOU FOR LETTING US SHARE OUR VOICE.
OKAY, SO I THINK THAT WRAPS UP THE SPEAKERS, RIGHT? AND I, I, I THINK DEFINITELY THERE'S SOME PEOPLE THAT WANNA MAKE COMMENTS HERE.
SO, UM, WE WILL CONFINE THE COMMENTS TO STAFF AT THIS POINT.
MR, WHY DON'T YOU GO FIRST IF YOU STILL HAVE ANYTHING.
I'M SURPRISED THAT YOUR LIGHT ISN'T ALREADY ON.
UH, THE, THE COMMENT I WAS GONNA MAKE WITH MR. STAFFORD WAS JUST THE DIFFERENCE IN, UM, YOU KNOW, I WAS GONNA ASK IF, YOU KNOW, IF YOU HAVE MEALS IN YOUR KITCHEN, A LOT OF PEOPLE DO THAT, RIGHT? THEY EAT AT HOME IN THEIR KITCHEN ALL THE TIME, BUT THAT'S NOT THE SAME OF SOMEONE OPENING A RESTAURANT IN THE HOUSE NEXT DOOR
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WHERE YOU TAKE THE GARAGE.A LOT OF PEOPLE STORE THEIR LAWNMOWER IN THE GARAGE, BUT IF A LANDSCAPE COMPANY WAS TO STORE ALL THEIR EQUIPMENT IN THE GARAGE AND SEND THEIR CREWS UP AND DOWN THE ALLEY, AND THEN DURING THE DAY, USE THE DRIVEWAY AS THEIR LAWNMOWER REPAIR SHOP.
NOW RESIDENTIAL PEOPLE HAVE LAWNMOWERS IN THEIR GARAGE ALL THE TIME, ALL DAY LONG.
BUT WHEN YOU DO IT ON A COMMERCIAL BASIS, IT'S OUTSIDE OF THE RESIDENTIAL ALLOWANCES.
THE, THE USE THAT'S, THAT'S MEANT TO BE IN A NEIGHBORHOOD.
AND SO I, I THINK IT'S A FALLACY TO, TO SAY THAT ONLY THERE'S ONLY 15 PEOPLE THAT ARE CAUSING PROBLEMS. I THINK AS A LAND USE COMMITTEE, WE'VE GOTTA LOOK AT THE USE.
DOES THE USE BELONG IN OUR SINGLE FAMILY NEIGHBORHOODS? THAT'S, THAT'S THE DIALOGUE THAT I WANTED TO HAVE THAT GOT SHUT DOWN.
AND WHO SHUT THAT DOWN? WHO SHUT THAT DOWN?
ANYTHING ELSE, SIR? THAT'S ALL I GOT.
UM, LOOKS LIKE, UH, MR. BRUNO, I, I LIED.
THE, THE LAST THING I WOULD SAY, THE LAST THING I'D SAY IS I DO THINK THERE'S A BIG DIFFERENCE IN PEOPLE THAT ARE, THAT LIVE IN THEIR HOME AND ARE HOSTING GUESTS IN THEIR OWN HOME WHILE THEY LIVE THERE.
THAT IS A VERY DIFFERENT SITUATION TO ME.
MR. BRUNO? UM, YOU SURE? I MEAN,
NO, I WOULD, UH, FIRST OF ALL, LIKE TO THANK EVERYONE FOR COMING DOWN AND SPEAKING TO US TONIGHT AND REMIND YOU THAT, UH, TWO WEEKS FROM TONIGHT IS OUR, HOPEFULLY WILL BE A PUBLIC HEARING THAT WE ARE ABOUT TO CALL IN WHICH WE WILL INVITE THE PUBLIC TO COME AND SPEAK TO US, UH, MORE ABOUT THIS ISSUE BEFORE WE TAKE ANY ACTION ON IT.
UH, WITH THAT IN MIND, I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION THAT WE A, APPROVE THE, UH, THE REPORT FROM THE TASK FORCE AND B, THAT WE CALL A PUBLIC HEARING FOR OUR NEXT MEETING.
UH, WITH RESPECT TO THE SUBJECT MATTER OF REGULATIONS THAT AFFECT LAND USE AND ZONING AS IT PERTAINS TO SHORT TERM RENTAL, I JUST WANT, WANNA CLARIFY WHAT'S BEING ASKED OF THE COMMISSION TONIGHT IS ONLY TO CALL A PUBLIC HEARING, NOT TO ADOPT A DIVORCE, AGREE OR DISAGREE WITH THE REPORT OF THE COMMITTEE, ONLY TO CALL THE PUBLIC HEARING.
AND THAT PUBLIC HEARING WILL BE ON APRIL 1ST.
THE NEXT MEETING WILL BE A DISCUSSION ITEM ON MARCH 18TH.
I, I MOVE THAT WE CALL A PUBLIC HEARING FOR OUR APRIL 1ST MEETING WITH RESPECT TO REGULATIONS THAT AFFECT LAND USE AND ZONING AS IT PERTAINS TO SHORT TERM RENTALS.
UM, COMMISSIONER, ALL IT LOOKED LIKE HE, HE WANTED TO SAY SOMETHING BEFORE WE MOVE ON.
UH, JUST TO, AGAIN, THANK EVERYONE FOR TAKING THE TIME, UM, NOT JUST TONIGHT.
THIS HAS BEEN ONGOING FOR A WHILE.
UH, THE TASK FORCE RECOMMENDATIONS, WE THANK YOU FOR THE TIME YOU PUT IN.
UH, THE RECOMMENDATIONS ARE A PART OF THE EQUATION.
UM, CITY COUNCIL IS GONNA BRING ANOTHER PART OF THE EQUATION.
LEGAL IS GONNA GIVE US ANOTHER PART OF THE EQUATION, AND THE HOPE IS IN APRIL 1ST FROM A PNZ PERSPECTIVE FOR THE LAND USE, UM, ASPECT OF ALL THIS, WE WILL GIVE ANOTHER PART OF THE EQUATION.
SO THIS, I WANT TO DE WEIGHT A LITTLE BIT.
THE FINDINGS OF THE TASK FORCE IS JUST ANOTHER PART OF THE EQUATION.
THIS IS NOT THE ALL IN ALL, WE ONLY HAVE TO, UH, MAKE OUR, UH, DEDUCTIONS BASED ON JUSTICE.
THERE'S A LOT THAT COMES INTO PLAY.
UM, SO LOOK FORWARD TO SEEING YOU AGAIN APRIL 1ST.
AND WITH THAT I SECOND COMMISSIONER.
BEFORE WE MOVE ON TO A VOTE, UM, ANY OTHER COMMENTS BECAUSE I HAVE A COUPLE, IF THERE'S NO ONE ELSE.
UM, BEFORE WE VOTE, UM, FIRST OF ALL, A, A QUESTION, UM, A COMMENT WAS MADE ABOUT OUTREACH TO STR OWNERS AND I, I GUESS I'LL ASK IT OF STAFF.
UM, I THINK THERE WAS OPPORTUNITY FOR ALL STR OWNERS TO GIVE INPUT.
AND SO I GUESS I'M CURIOUS ABOUT STAFF'S OPINION OF THE COMMENT WAS MADE THAT WE DIDN'T GIVE ANY OUTREACH TO THEM.
WE HAD A, A NUMBER OF CONVERSATIONS WITH THE TASK FORCE ABOUT PRO PROVIDING DIRECT OUTREACH.
SINCE WE HAVE THIS CONTRACT WITH DECKER TECHNOLOGIES AND WE, WE HAVE THESE LOCATIONS, UM, SOME TASK FORCE MEMBERS FELT THAT WE COULD REACH OUT TO THOSE TASK FORCE, UH, THOSE OPERATORS DIRECTLY.
UM, HOWEVER, THERE'S KIND OF TWO, TWO PARTS THAT WE DISCUSSED OR, OR WE'RE CONSIDERING IT IN REGARDS TO THAT.
UM, ONE IS THAT RE WE DON'T HAVE REGISTRATION, SO WE DON'T NECESSARILY HAVE ALL THE CONTACTS.
WE DON'T NECESSARILY KNOW THAT THOSE 464 ARE EVERY SINGLE SHORT TERM RENTAL.
AND THEN IT'S A, THE, THE BIGGER PART OF IT THOUGH IS THAT IT'S A LAND USE DECISION.
AND WHEN WE MAKE LAND USE DECISIONS, WE, WE NOTIFY PROPERTY OWNERS
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WITHIN 200 FEET, WITHIN 500 FEET.UM, AND THERE'S A LOT MORE NOTICE.
AND SO WE DIDN'T FEEL LIKE IT WAS APPROPRIATE TO NOTIFY JUST THE OWNERS DIRECTLY AND RATHER IT WOULD BE BETTER TO DO IT CITYWIDE.
UM, WE, WE DID CONSIDER, WE TRIED TO DO THAT, UH, FOR THE SECOND OPEN HOUSE.
IT DIDN'T WORK OUT BECAUSE OF THE CONSTRAINTS FOR, UM, THAT TYPE OF MAILING.
SO A VERY LARGE SCALE, AS IT MENTIONED, WE ARE LOOKING TO TRY TO DO A CITYWIDE NOTICE, UM, FOR THE APRIL 1ST AND APRIL 22ND MEETINGS.
UM, AND THEN AT, TO YOUR POINT THOUGH, UM, ALL OF THIS INFORMATION WAS ADVERTISED CITYWIDE, UM, FROM THE COMMUNITY SURVEY, WE PUT SIGNS OUT THROUGHOUT THE CITY.
WE PUT OUT PRESS RELEASES FOR THE OPEN HOUSES.
WE ADVERTISED ON, UH, NEWSLETTERS FOR THE PROJECT, BUT ALSO FOR OTHER CITY NEWSLETTERS AND ON SOCIAL MEDIA.
UM, I THINK THOSE ARE THE MAIN THINGS THAT COME TO MIND THAT WE'RE OPEN TO EVERYONE.
I I WAS A, YOU KNOW, A LITTLE CONFUSED BY THAT BECAUSE I, I WILL TELL YOU, BEING OUT IN THE PUBLIC AND WHEN PEOPLE FIND OUT PROBABLY LIKE THE REST OF YOU THAT, UM, ON P AND Z, UM, ONE OF THE THINGS EVERYBODY WANTS TO TALK ABOUT FROM ALL DIFFERENT SCIENCE IS STR.
SO IT SEEMS LIKE THE INFORMATION'S OUT THERE AS WELL AS IT'S HAPPENING THROUGHOUT THE CITY AND EVERYWHERE.
UM, THE OTHER COMMENT I JUST WANNA MAKE IS THERE WAS A COMMENT MADE THAT, UM, THIS WAS BASED ON THE ARLINGTON PLAN AND THEY HAD EQUAL SEATING.
UM, AND, AND I GUESS THAT'S PROBABLY A GREAT BENEFIT TO THE STR OWNERS, BUT WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE RATIO HERE OF FA SINGLE FAMILY TO STR, IT'S JUST MY OPINION THAT IT SEEMED AS IF IT WAS WELL REPRESENTED.
AND I WONDER IF WE'D HAVE GOT A LOT MORE PERSPECTIVES IF IT WAS ALL JUST STRI MEAN, PROBABLY GOT THE SAME THING.
SO ANYWAY, UM, THOSE ARE MY COMMENTS AND IT LOOKS LIKE, UH, COMMISSIONER TANYA, YOU'D LIKE TO SAY SOMETHING.
UM, I ACTUALLY WANTED TO, I HAVE A QUESTION TO THE STAFF MEMBERS AND, AND, AND THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR ALL THE WONDERFUL REPORT AND LOTS OF WORK AND I APPRECIATE ALSO THE TASK FORCE.
UM, BUT I HEARD SOME REALLY GOOD QUESTIONS TODAY, EVEN THOUGH TODAY WAS NOT A PUBLIC HEARING ITEM.
AND I, I FEEL LIKE WE ACTUALLY BENEFITED FROM ALL THE SPEAKERS THAT CAME UP TODAY, AND I HEARD SOME GOOD POINTS THAT POINTED OUT, ESPECIALLY THE ONE THAT I AGREE WITH, UH, KIND OF AGREED WITH, UH, WHAT THE COMMISSIONER LAEL BROUGHT UP WITH THE OTHER GENTLEMAN ALSO MENTIONED THE PRIMARY RESIDENCE OWNERS WHO WANT TO HOST THEIR OWN FAMILIES OR SHARE ROOMS, UH, WITH SHORT-TERM RENTAL GUESTS.
MAYBE WE CAN DO SOMETHING DIFFERENT IN THE REGULATIONS TO THOSE, UM, TYPE OF SRTS.
SO I DON'T KNOW IF WE HAVE ANYTHING ALREADY IN THE, UH, PROPOSALS OR REPORTS THAT, UH, WE HAVE ALREADY DONE.
IF WE DON'T, DO WE STILL HAVE TIME TO DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT? YES.
SO, UM, AS, AS WE TALK ABOUT, UH, LIVE-IN MANAGEMENT, THE IDEA THAT THOSE, THOSE TYPES OF USES, THE, THE BED AND BREAKFAST, UH, ONE BEDROOM OR ONE AND BREAKFAST BED AND BREAKFAST, TWO TO FIVE BEDROOMS WOULD BE, UH, ESSENTIALLY THE PRIMARY RESIDENCE THERE.
SOMEONE WOULD BE LIVING ON SITE.
IT WOULDN'T NECESSARILY BE THE HAVE TO BE THE OWNER.
IT COULD BE, UH, A RENTER, UH, BUT SOMEONE IS LIVING ON SITE AND ONLY SOME OF THE ROOMS ARE BEING RENTED OUT AS A SHORT-TERM RENTAL.
THAT, THAT IS THE INTENTION OF, OF THOSE USERS.
SO THE CATEGORY OF BED AND BREAKFAST IS FOR THE PEOPLE WHO ARE, WHO ALSO PRIMARILY RESIDE IN THE SAME BUILDING, UH, THE, ON THE SAME PROPERTY? THAT'S CORRECT.
MM-HMM,
YOU'RE SAYING THAT THERE COULD BE MULTIPLE BUILDINGS.
THE, THE POTENTIAL NUANCES IS THE BACKYARD COTTAGE, WHICH WE JUST NEED TO DISCUSS MORE AND WILL BRING BACK MORE INFORMATION ON THAT.
AND JUST ONE QUICK CLARIFICATION ON THE MOTION, UM, THAT, UH, POTENTIALLY DEPENDING ON HOW THIS GOES, UM, WE EXPECT TO, UH, BE ABLE TO ADDRESS THE INTERIM BAN, BUT, UH, IF THE MOTION INCLUDES THE POTENTIAL TO EXTEND OR REPEAL THE INTERIM BAN ALONG WITH ADOPTING THE PERMANENT REGULATIONS, I JUST WANTED TO CLARIFY THAT BECAUSE WE, WE WANNA ALLOW OURSELVES THAT FLEXIBILITY IN CASE WE NEED IT.
UM, I, I THINK COMMISSIONER TONG MAKES IT A GOOD POINT.
IN MY THREE PLUS YEARS SITTING ON THE COMMISSION, ONE OF THE THINGS I THINK THIS GROUP HAS DONE IS REALLY ENCOURAGE PUBLIC INPUT AND, AND, UM, I THINK IT'S A GOOD THING FOR OUR CITY AND ALL OF OUR CITIZENS AND, YOU KNOW, UM, IT'S NOT, IT'S NOT, UH, NEWS THAT PLANO WAS CHALLENGED WITH THIS.
IT SEEMS LIKE MOST COMMUNITIES IN THE UNITED STATES ARE CHALLENGED WITH THIS DUE TO THE NEW TECHNOLOGY.
AND, AND I, I THINK TOGETHER WE'RE WORKING THROUGH THIS AND, YOU KNOW, I'M, I'M PROUD OF WHAT THE STAFF'S DOING AND, AND THE OTHER CITIZENS ARE DOING.
THIS IS A CHALLENGING, THIS IS A CHALLENGING SITUATION.
THERE ARE A LOT OF GOOD POINTS MADE ON ALL SIDES OF IT.
SO WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND.
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JUST TO ADDRESS WHAT MS. SEBASTIAN JUST SAID, COULD WE POSSIBLY AMEND THE MOTION JUST TO INCLUDE THE POSSIBILITY OF CONSIDERATION OF, UM, EXTENSION OR, OR REPEAL OF THE INTERIM BAN? SO AMENDED.ARE WE GOOD? WE HAVE TO AMEND THE SECOND.
AND SO THEN, UH, LET'S VOTE FOLKS.
AND THAT CARRIES SEVEN TO ZERO.
UM, I THINK THAT BRINGS US TO, UH, THE END OF THE MEETING.
UH, DO WE HAVE ANYTHING FOR, OH GOSH, I'M SO SORRY.
YOU'VE BEEN SITTING HERE ALL NIGHT WAITING TO TALK, HUH?
[5. (JA) Discussion: Silver Line Station Areas Plan Update – Informational update on the progress of the land use priorities of the Silver Line Station Areas Plan. Project #DI2024-003. Applicant: City of Plano ]
ITEM NUMBER FIVE, DISCUSSION, SILVER LINE STATION AREAS PLAN UPDATE, INFORMATIONAL UPDATE ON THE PROGRESS OF THE LAND USE PRIORITIES OF THE SILVER LINE STATION'S AREAS.PLAN, APPLICANT IS CITY OF PLANO.
WE'VE HAD TWO REGISTERED OPINIONS, BOTH IN SUPPORT.
COMMISSION STAFF DOES NOT HAVE A PRESENTATION.
THIS IS ONLY IN THE SPIRIT OF GETTING INFORMATION IN ADVANCE TO GIVE YOU A HEADSTART ON REVIEWING THE INFORMATION FOR THE NEXT MEETING.
UM, STAFF FROM OUR LONG RANGE PLANNING TEAM WILL BE HERE AT THE NEXT MEETING TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTIONS.
I WOULD GUESS EVERYBODY IS, IS IN FAVOR AND APPLAUDS THAT, SO THANK YOU.
RIGHT
WELL THEN I DO THINK WE'RE, UM, OTHER THAN, UM, YES, SIR, I WAS GONNA GET THERE.
[6. (MB) Items for Future Agendas.]
DO WE HAVE ANY ITEMS THAT WE, WE'D LIKE TO PLACE ON A FUTURE AGENDA? OKAY, CHAIR, COUPLE THINGS.ONE, I WOULD LIKE TO, UH, WELCOME AND THANK CHRISTIE AS, UH, YES MA'AM.
WE HAVE ONE REGISTERED OPINION ON ITEMS FOR FUTURE AGENDAS.
UM, A MARINA GRIFFIN REGISTERED, HER OPINION IS NEUTRAL ON THE ITEM AND SHE'S AVAILABLE ON ZOOM, BUT DID NOT REGISTER TO SPEAK.
YEAH, WHAT'D YOU SAY? WE CAN JUST, WE CAN JUST NOTE THE, THE REGISTERED OPINION.
WELL, CHRISTY, WELCOME TO THE TEAM AND, UH, THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR STEPPING IN, UH, TONIGHT.
AND, UH, I APPRECIATE ALL THE OTHER COMMISSIONERS, UH, YOUR PATIENCE WITH ME SITTING IN THIS CHAIR.
AND WITH THAT, I WILL ADJOURN THE MEETING.