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[CALL TO ORDER]
ON UH, JANUARY 16TH AT SEVEN 10, WE WILL COME TO ORDER AND IF YOU WOULD PLEASE RISE AND JOIN ME IN THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE, I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS, ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE, WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE THROUGH COMMENTS[COMMENTS OF PUBLIC INTEREST]
OF PUBLIC INTEREST.THIS PORTION OF THE MEETING IS TO ALLOW UP TO THREE MINUTES PER SPEAKER WITH 30 TOTAL MINUTES ON ITEMS OF INTEREST OR CONCERN AND NOT ON ITEMS THAT ARE ON THE CURRENT AGENDA.
THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION MAY NOT DISCUSS THESE ITEMS BUT MAY RESPOND WITH FACTUAL OR POLICY INFORMATION.
THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION MAY CHOOSE TO PLACE THE ITEM ON A FUTURE AGENDA.
PRESIDING OFFICER MAY MODIFY THESE TIMES AS DEEMED NECESSARY.
DO WE HAVE ANY SPEAKERS ON THE SIDE? NO, WE DO NOT.
[CONSENT AGENDA]
AGENDA.THE CONSENT AGENDA WILL BE ACTED UPON IN ONE MOTION AND CONTAINS ITEMS WHICH ARE ROUTINE AND TYPICALLY NON-CONTROVERSIAL ITEMS MAY BE REMOVED FROM THIS AGENDA FOR INDIVIDUAL CONSIDERATION BY COMMISSIONERS OR STAFF.
WOULD ANYONE LIKE TO REMOVE AN ITEM FROM THE CONSENT AGENDA? I MOVE.
WE APPROVE THE CONSENT AGENDA AS SUBMITTED.
I HAVE A MOTION BY COMMISSIONER BRONSKI WITH A SECOND BY COMMISSIONER RATLIFF.
TO APPROVE THE CONSENT AGENDA, PLEASE VOTE.
CONSENT AGENDA CARRIES EIGHT TO ZERO PUBLIC HEARING ITEMS FOR
[1. (DS) Public Hearing - Replat & Revised Site Plan: Plano Congregation of Jehovah’s Witnesses Addition, Block 1, Lot 1 - Religious facility on one lot on 2.0 acres located on the north side of 18th Street, 1,180 feet east of Shiloh Road. Zoned Single-Family Residence-6. Projects #R2023-046 and #RSP2023-060. Applicant: Oak Park Congregation of Jehovah’s Witnesses (Legislative consideration)]
INDIVIDUAL CONSIDERATION.PUBLIC HEARING ITEMS, UNLESS INSTRUCTED OTHERWISE BY THE CHAIR SPEAKERS WILL BE CALLED IN THE ORDER.
APPLICANTS ARE LIMITED TO A TOTAL OF 15 MINUTES OF PRESENTATION TIME WITH A FIVE MINUTE REBUTTAL IF NEEDED.
REMAINING SPEAKERS ARE LIMITED TO 30 TOTAL MINUTES OF TESTIMONY TIME WITH THREE MINUTES ASSIGNED PER SPEAKER.
THE PRESIDING OFFICER MAY MODIFY THESE TIMES AS DEEMED NECESSARY.
ADMINISTRATIVE CONSIDER CONSIDERATION ITEMS MUST BE APPROVED IF THEY MEET CITY DEVELOPMENT REGULATIONS.
LEGISLATIVE CONSIDERATION ITEMS ARE MORE DISCRETIONARY EXCEPT AS CONSTRAINED BY LEGAL CONSIDERATIONS.
AGENDA ITEM NUMBER ONE, PUBLIC HEARING REPL AND REVISED SITE PLAN, PLA PLANO, CONGREGATION OF JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES EDITION BLOCK ONE LOT ONE RELIGIOUS FACILITY ON ONE LOT ON 2.0 ACRES LOCATED ON THE NORTH SIDE OF 18TH STREET, 1,180 FEET EAST OF SHILOH ROAD ZONE SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENCE SIX.
APPLICANT IS OAK PARK CONGREGATION OF JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES.
THIS IS FOR LEGISLATIVE CONSIDERATION.
MY NAME IS DONNA SEPULVEDA, SENIOR PLANNER WITH THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT.
THE PURPOSE FOR THIS REPL AND REVISE SITE PLAN IS TO REDEVELOP A RELIGIOUS FACILITY.
THE SLIDE ON THE SCREEN SHOWS AN AERIAL IMAGE OF THE PROPERTY.
THE SITE CONTAINS AN EXISTING RELIGIOUS FACILITY BUILDING.
THE APPLICANT IS PROPOSING TO DEMO THE EXISTING STRUCTURE AND CONTRACT A NEW RELIGIOUS FACILITY BUILDING IN THE SAME LOCATION.
A PLT WAS SUBMITTED TO MODIFY THE DRAINAGE AND FLOODWAY EASEMENT AND A REVISED SITE PLAN WAS SUBMITTED TO SHOW THE PROPOSED REDEVELOPMENT AND RELATED SITE IMPROVEMENTS.
THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING TWO VARIANCES WITH THIS APPLICATION.
FIRST IS A VARIANCE TO HAVE ONE POINT OF ACCESS AND THE SECOND VARIANCE IS FOR ONE DUMPSTER.
THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING THE P AND Z TO GRANT A VARIANCE TO ALLOW FOR ONE POINT OF ACCESS.
THE SITE HAS BEEN OPERATING WITH ONE POINT OF ACCESS TO 18TH STREET AS SHOWN IN YELLOW ON THE SCREEN.
A SECOND POINT CANNOT BE OBTAINED BECAUSE THE PROPERTY IS SURROUNDED BY A RESIDENTIAL ALLEY AND BOB WOODRUFF PARK.
THE ORDINANCE ALLOWS THE COMMISSION TO APPROVE A LAW ONLY HAVING ONE POINT OF ACCESS.
IF IT DETERMINES THAT THE SECOND POINT OF ACCESS CANNOT BE OBTAINED AND TRAFFIC SAFETY AND FIRE PROTECTION ARE SUFFICIENT AND FIRE AND TRAFFIC HAVE BOTH REVIEWED THE SITE PLAN AND HAVE APPROVED IT WITH ONE POINT OF ACCESS, THE SECOND VARIANCE WILL BE REQUESTED TO THE BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT.
THE ZONING ORDINANCE REQUIRES A MINIMUM OF TWO SOLID WASTE CONTAINERS TO BE PROVIDED PER LOT.
THE APPLICANT IS ADDING A SINGLE DUMPSTER AS SHOWN ON IN ORANGE ON THE SCREEN.
A SECOND DUMPSTER CANNOT REASONABLY BE PROVIDED DUE TO THE SITE BEING HEAVILY ENCUMBERED BY A DRAINAGE AND FLOODPLAIN EASEMENT AS SHOWN ON RED ON THE SCREEN OF NOTE, THE SITE CURRENTLY DOES NOT HAVE ANY DUMPSTERS AND THE ENGINEERING DEPARTMENT TYPICALLY DOES NOT ALLOW DUMPSTERS TO BE PLACED WITH THE DRAINAGE AND FLOODPLAIN PLANE EASEMENT.
HOWEVER, THE ENGINEERING DEPARTMENT MADE AN EXCEPTION FOR ONE
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DUMPSTER BECAUSE IT IS NOT AN ENCLOSED AREA AND NOT AN INHABITABLE STRUCTURE.THE COMMISSION LAPSES JURISDICTION TO APPROVE OR DENY VARIANCE FOR THE SOLID WASTE CONTAINER.
APPROVAL OF THE REVISED SITE PLAN AS RECOMMENDED WILL ALLOW THE APPLICANT TO PROCEED WITH THE VARIANCE REQUEST.
IF THE BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT DENIES THE REQUEST, THE REQUESTED VARIANCE, THE APPLICANT WILL NEED TO PROVIDE TWO SOLID WASTE CONTAINERS AND THE REPL AND REVISE SITE PLAN, UM, IS RECOMMENDED FOR APPROVAL AS SHOWN ON THE SCREEN AND IN THE PACKET.
I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.
UM, I I HAVE A QUESTION BECAUSE THEY'RE GONNA GO THROUGH THE VARIANCE PROCESS.
SO IT SAYS THEY WILL HAVE TO ADD A SECOND UM, SOLID WASTE CONTAINER.
HAVE THEY ALLOWED FOR THAT? I MEAN, WHAT, WHAT CHANGES WOULD IT REQUIRE TO THE SITE IF THEY HAD TO ADD A SECOND ONE? THEY COULD POTENTIALLY RECONFIGURE SOME PARKING TO ADD ONE, ALTHOUGH IT WOULD LIKELY BE WITHIN THE DRAINAGE AND FLOOD EASEMENT AND THE ENGINEERING DEPARTMENT WOULD HAVE TO REVIEW THAT AGAIN.
ANOTHER OPTION WOULD BE THEY WOULD HAVE TO MAKE THEIR BUILDING SMALLER.
UH, MR. ALI, UH, QUICK QUESTION.
THE CURRENT BUILDING HAS ONE POINT OF ACCESS, UH, CURRENTLY.
UM, SO THIS IS JUST THEM ASKING TO MAINTAIN THE SINGULAR POINT OF ACCESS DUE TO THE LAYOUT OF THE PROPERTY? YEAH, THAT'S CORRECT.
UM, HOW DID THE TRASH PICKUP OR THE SOLID WASTE, WHAT DO THEY USE CURRENTLY? IS IT A CART OR THEY CURRENTLY DO NOT HAVE DUMPSTERS ON SITE AS PART OF THE REDEVELOPMENT PROCESS, THEY WERE ABLE TO ADD ONE DUMPSTER AND THEY'RE REQUESTING A VARIANCE FOR THE SECOND.
WHAT SERVED THE OLD BUILDING PRIOR TO THIS? THAT WOULD BE A GOOD QUESTION FOR THE APPLICANT.
UM, MR. BRUNO I THINK IS NEXT.
WOULD A MOTION TO APPROVE HAVE TO INCLUDE WITHIN THE LANGUAGE OF THE MOTION THE TWO UH, FINDINGS THAT THE STAFF IS SAYING THAT WE WOULD HAVE TO MAKE THE, THE SECOND POINT OF ACCESS CANNOT BE OBTAINED AND TRAFFIC SAFETY AND FIRE PROTECTION ARE SUFFICIENT.
THE MOTION CAN REFERENCE STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION.
MY QUESTION TO THE STAFF IS THAT, SO THIS REQUEST IS RECOMMENDED FOR PAROLE SUBJECT TO US DETERMINING WHETHER THE TRAFFIC SAFETY AND FIRE PROTECTION ARE SUFFICIENT.
SO DO YOU HAVE A ENGINEER OR FIRE, UM, I GUESS FIRE DEPARTMENT ANALYSIS ON THE SITE WHETHER THIS IS SUFFICIENT OR NOT? YES.
AS PART OF THE REVIEW PROCESS, IT IS SENT TO THE FIRE DEPARTMENT AND THE, UM, TRAFFIC ENGINEERS TO REVIEW AND THEY FOUND THIS LAYOUT ACCEPTABLE AND DID NOT SEE ANY SAFETY OR FIRE CONCERNS.
SO FOR US TO DETERMINE WHETHER THIS IS UH, SUFFICIENT OR NOT, WE NEED TO SEE THAT REPORT.
DID YOU INCLUDE THAT IN THE REPORT IF THERE WERE FIRE OR TRAFFIC CONCERNS? IT, IT WOULD BE STATED IN THE REPORT, BUT THEY DON'T HAVE ANY.
I WILL OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING.
DO WE HAVE ANY SPEAKERS ON THIS ITEM? UH, THE APPLICANT IS AVAILABLE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS FROM THE COMMISSION.
DO WE HAVE A QUESTION FOR THE APPLICANT? OKAY.
SO, UH, IF THE APPLICANT WOULD COME FORWARD, CAN WE HAVE JASON PAYNE AND ROGERIO ALAMEDA IF YOU WOULD PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS.
I'M AT 8 5 5 9 SAN TRAIL FOR WORTH, TEXAS.
UM, IF YOU MAY BE ABLE TO ANSWER HIS QUESTION AND SO THEN WE'LL BE GOOD.
CURRENT, UH, HOW DO YOU SERVICE YOUR TRASH RIGHT NOW? IS IT A CART, A JOIN IN DUMPSTER? YEAH, IT'S, IT'S A CART.
JUST A FEW UM, UH, CONTAINERS THAT WE TAKE OUT ONE ONCE A WEEK.
WE HAVE LIKE THREE OF THEM TAKE OUT ONCE A WEEK AND LEAVE IT.
YEAH, FOR PICKUP AND THEN FOOD PICK PROPERTY.
OKAY, SO THERE'S NO, THERE'S NO DUMPSTER PAD BUT THERE IS TRASH PICKUP SERVICE.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT? OKAY, THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
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OTHER SPEAKERS? NO, WE DO NOT.I'LL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING CONFINED DISCUSSION OF THE COMMISSION.
I MAKE A MOTION THAT WE APPROVE THE UH, WHAT IT PLA THAT WE APPROVE THE RELA AS SUBMITTED AS UH, RECOMMENDED BY STAFF.
I'M ASSUMING WE NEED SEPARATE MOTIONS ON THE TWO ASPECTS OF THIS.
UM, SO I HAVE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE RELA ON ITEM ONE.
HAVE A SECOND BY A MOTION BY COMMISSIONER BRUNHOFF, A SECOND BY COMMISSIONER OLLIE TO APPROVE ITEM ONE REPL.
AND THAT ITEM CARRIES EIGHT ZERO.
MR. CHAIRMAN, I MOVE THAT WE APPROVE THE SITE PLAN, UM, AS RECOMMENDED BY STAFF WITH THE UH, CONDITION OF THE BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT GRANTING APPROVAL OF VARIANCE TO ALLOW ONE SOLID WASTE CONTAINER.
WHAT? WELL, HIS MOTION CONCERNED THE REVISED SITE PLAN SO, AND WE HAVE A SECOND BY COMMISSIONER OLLIE.
WELL IT MUST BE THE WEATHER OUT.
WE'RE ALL KIND OF FUMBLING AROUND UP HERE.
ALL RIGHT, SO WE HAVE A MOTION BY COMMISSIONER BRUNO WITH A SECOND BY COMMISSIONER OLLIE TO APPROVE THE REVISED SITE PLAN.
PER STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION, PLEASE VOTE NOT.
MY, MY CHARGING COURT DIDN'T EVEN WORK, SO EVERYBODY'S HEADED SOUTH FOR THE ITEM TWO AGENDA.
[2. (RP) Public Hearing - Replat: 544 Store Addition, Block A, Lot 1R - Convenience store, fuel station, retail, and restaurant on one lot on 4.6 acres located on the south side of 14th Street, 630 feet west of Park Vista Road. Zoned Light Industrial-1. Project #R2023-049. Applicant: Ajnisha Investment, LLC (Administrative Consideration)]
NUMBER TWO, PUBLIC HEARING REPL 5 44 STORE EDITION BLOCK A LOT ONE R, CONVENIENCE STORE, FUEL STATION, RETAIL AND RESTAURANT ON ONE LOT ON 4.6 ACRES LOCATED ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF 14TH STREET, 630 FEET WEST OF PARK VISTA ROAD.ZONED LIGHT INDUSTRIAL ONE APPLICANT IN ITSA INVESTMENT LLC.
THIS IS FOR ADMINISTRATIVE CONSIDERATION.
MEMBERS OF THE COMMISSION I'M RAHA ATE THE PLANNER WITH THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT.
STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF THE REPL.
I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU MIGHT HAVE.
ANY TECHNICAL QUESTIONS FOR STAFF ON THIS ITEM? THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
DO WE HAVE ANY SPEAKERS ON THIS ITEM? NO, WE DO NOT.
I WILL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING CONFINED DISCUSSION OF THE COMMISSION.
WE APPROVE AGENDA ITEM TWO AS RECOMMENDED BY STAFF.
I HAVE A MOTION BY COMMISSIONER BRONSKI WITH A SECOND BY COMMISSIONER TOM TO APPROVE ITEM TWO AS RECOMMENDED BY STAFF PLEASE VOTE.
[3. (DS) Public Hearing - Replat: Collin Creek Single Family, Blocks A-L and Collin Creek, Block M, Lot 1 - 402 single-family residence lots, 25 common area lots, and vacant lot on 100.0 acres located on the east side of Alma Drive, 550 feet north of Plano Parkway. Zoned Urban Mixed-Use-3. Project #R2024-002. Applicants: Ashton Dallas Residential, Brightland Homes, Mattamy Homes, MM CCM 48M, LLC, and VM Fund I, LLC (Administrative consideration)]
AGENDA ITEM NUMBER THREE IS THE PUBLIC HEARING REPL COLIN CREEK SINGLE FAMILY BLOCKS A THROUGH L AND COL CREEK BLOCK M LOT ONE 402 SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENT LOTS 25 COMMON AREA LOTS AND VACANT LOT ON 100 ACRES LOCATED ON THE EAST SIDE OF ALMA DRIVE.550 FEET NORTH OF PLANO PARKWAY.
THREE APPLICANTS ARE ASHTON, DALLAS RESIDENTIAL BRIGHTLY HOMES, MA, MATT, ME, HOLMES, MCCM 48 MLLC AND VM FUND ONE LLC.
THIS IS FOR ADMINISTRATIVE CONSIDERATION.
THE ITEM IS RECOMMENDED FOR APPROVAL AS SUBMITTED.
I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.
ANY TECHNICAL QUESTIONS FOR STAFF ON THIS ITEM? MR. ALI? UH, JUST ONE THERE'S A A COMMENT THAT SAYS THE EXISTING BOUNDARIES HAVE CAUSED DELAYS IN ISSUING BUILDING PERMITS FOR THE HOME.
CAN YOU, FOR THE HOMES CAN YOU EXPAND ON THAT A LITTLE? WHAT? WHAT ABOUT THE EXISTING BOUNDARIES HAVE DELAYED BUILDING PERMITS? THEY DIDN'T HAVE ACCURATE UM, FLOOR PLANS ORIGINALLY.
SO THE EASEMENTS UM, CONFLICT WITH THE LOCATION OF THE HOMES AND THE APPLICANT'S ALSO HERE TO FURTHER EXPAND ON THAT THE APPLICANT QUESTION GO AHEAD MR. BELL.
YEAH, THE UM, EASEMENTS THAT ARE PROVIDED ON THE RELA ARE ACTUALLY ACCORDING TO THE APPLICANT WERE IN THE INCORRECT LOCATION AND SO IT CAUSED CONFLICT WITH THEIR BUILDING PLANS.
SO THEY HAD THE OPTION TO EITHER REMOVE TO EITHER SHRINK THE EASEMENTS OR REMOVE THEM.
THEY CHOSE TO JUST REMOVE THEM TO AVOID CONFLICT ALTOGETHER.
NO, WE DON'T REQUIRE THE EASEMENTS.
OKAY, MS. LEY, YOU STILL HAVE A QUESTION OR NO? VERY GOOD.
ALRIGHT, NO OTHER NO MORE QUESTIONS.
DO WE HAVE ANY SPEAKERS ON THIS ITEM? NO WE DO NOT.
I'LL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING, FIND DISCUSSIONS.
WE APPROVE AGENDA ITEM THREE AS RECOMMENDED
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BY STAFF.SECOND, I HAVE A MOTION BY COMMISSIONER BRONSKI WITH A SECOND BY COMMISSIONER ALI TO APPROVE ITEM THREE AS RECOMMENDED BY STAFF.
ITEM CARRIES EIGHT TO ZERO ITEM FOUR, AGENDA ITEM
[4. (PM) Public Hearing - Preliminary Replat & Revised Site Plan: Parkway Transfer Station Addition, Block 1, Lot 1R - Extension of approval for a preliminary replat and revised site plan for a utility service yard on one lot on 8.4 acres located on the west side of Plano Parkway, 345 feet south of Commerce Drive. Zoned Light Industrial-1 and located within the 190 Tollway/Plano Parkway Overlay District. Projects #PR2023-033 and #RSP2023- 083. Applicant: North Texas Municipal Water District (Legislative consideration)]
NUMBER FOUR, PUBLIC HEARING, PRELIMINARY RELA AND REVISED SITE PLAN PARKWAY TRANSFER STATION ADDITION BLOCK ONE LOT ONE R EXTENSION OF APPROVAL FOR A PRELIMINARY RELA AND REVISED SITE.PLAN FOR A UTILITY SERVICE YARD ON ONE LOT ON 8.4 ACRES LOCATED ON THE WEST SIDE OF PLANO PARKWAY.
345 FEET SOUTH OF COMMERCE DRIVE ZONED LIGHT INDUSTRIAL ONE AND LOCATED WITHIN THE ONE 90 TOLL WAY PLANO PARKWAY OVERLAY DISTRICT APPLICANT IS NORTH TEXAS MUNICIPAL WATER DISTRICT.
THIS IS FOR LEGISLATIVE CONSIDERATION.
I'M PARK MCDOWELL PLANNER WITH THE PLAN DEPARTMENT.
THIS IS A REQUEST FOR AN EXTENSION OF THE RE PRELIMINARY RE PLAT AND REVISED SITE PLAN.
THIS IS THE PRELIMINARY REPL, THIS IS THE SITE PLAN FOR EXTENSION REQUESTS.
UM, THERE ARE SOME CRITERIA THAT NEEDS TO BE MET AND ON SCREEN ZI CRITERIA WHICH I WILL NOW RUN THROUGH WITH THIS ITEM.
THE REASON FOR THE LAPSE AUTHORIZATION TO OPERATE THE TRANSFER STATION WAS GIVEN BY THE TEXAS COMMISSION OF ENVIRONMENTAL QUALITY IN JUNE, 2023 AND FOR THEIR DELAYS WERE EXPERIENCED UNTIL NOVEMBER, 2023.
THE APPLICANT SEEKING EXTENSION BECAUSE OF DELAYS OF THE STATE PERMIT OR STATE APPROVAL PROCESS FOR THE ABILITY OF THE PROPERTY OWNER TO COMPLY WITH ANY CONDITIONS ATTACHED TO THE ORIGINAL APPROVAL.
THERE WERE NO CONDITIONS WERE PLACED ON THE PLAN WITH THE PREVIOUS APPROVAL.
AND THEN FINALLY, EXTENT TO WHICH THE NEW NEWLY ADOPTED REGULATIONS SHALL APPLIED TO THE PLAN.
NO REGULATIONS OR CHANGES OR APPLICABLE TO THIS DEVELOPMENT WITH THAT STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF THESE EXTENSION REQUESTS.
I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.
QUESTIONS FOR STAFF ON THIS ITEM.
DO WE HAVE ANY SPEAKERS ON ITEM FOUR, THE APPLICANT IS AVAILABLE TO ANSWER QUESTIONS FROM THE COMMISSION.
DOES ANYONE HAVE A QUESTION FOR THE APPLICANT? SEEING NONE PUBLIC HEARING MR. BROSKY I MOVE THAT WE APPROVE THE EXTENSION, UH, AS REQUESTED AND RECOMMENDED BY STAFF.
SECOND, I HAVE A MOTION BY COMMISSIONER BROSKY WITH A SECOND BY COMMISSIONER RATLIFF TO APPROVE ITEM FOUR.
UH, FOR STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION, PLEASE VOTE.
[5. (KC) Public Hearing - Preliminary Replat: The Canal on Preston Addition, Block A, Lots 11R & 12R - Retail, professional/general administrative office, restaurant, and veterinary clinic on Lot 11R and retail on Lot 12R on 2.3 acres located at the southeast corner of McDermott Road and Angels Drive. Zoned Planned Development-20-Mixed-Use. Project #PR2023-034. Applicant: Akshaya Realty, LLC and Mantra Realty, LLC (Administrative consideration)]
NUMBER FIVE, PUBLIC HEARING PRELIMINARY RELA THE CANAL ON PRESTON EDITION BLOCK A LOTS 11 R AND 12 R.RETAIL PROFESSIONAL, GENERAL OFF ADMINISTRATIVE OFFICE, RESTAURANT AND VETERINARY CLINIC ON LOT 11 R AND RETAIL ON LOT 12 R ON 2.3 ACRES LOCATED AT THE SOUTHEAST CORNER OF MCDERMOTT ROAD IN ANGELS DRIVE.
ZONED PLAN DEVELOPMENT 20 MIXED USE APPLICANTS ARE AKASHIA REALTY, LLC AND MANTRA REALTY LLC.
THIS IS FOR ADMINISTRATIVE CONSIDERATION.
THIS ITEM IS RECOMMENDED FOR APPROVAL SUBJECT TO ADDITIONS AND OR ALTERATIONS TO THE ENGINEERING PLANS AS REQUIRED BY THE ENGINEERING DEPARTMENT.
HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.
ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF ON THIS ITEM? SEEING NONE, JUST DOUBLE CHECKING.
I CAN SEE THERE'S NONE THERE BUT SOMETIMES THERE'S THIS LITTLE HAND WAVE.
WILL THE PUBLIC HEARING I MOVE, WE APPROVE.
UH, AGENDA ITEM NUMBER FIVE AS RECOMMENDED BY STAFF.
OKAY, I HAVE A MOTION BY OUR PROFESSIONAL MOTION MAKER, MR. BROSKY TO APPROVE ITEM FIVE WITH A SECOND BY COMMISSIONER ALI, PLEASE VOTE.
ITEM FIVE CARRIES EIGHT TO ZERO.
I'M RECUSING MYSELF FROM ITEM SIX.
[6. (PM) Public Hearing - Preliminary Replat: TRG J Place Addition, Block A, Lot 1- 325 multifamily residence units on one lot on 4.8 acres located on the west side of J Place, 110 feet north of State Highway 190. Zoned Planned Development-57-Corridor Commercial and located within the 190 Tollway/Plano Parkway Overlay District. Project #PR2023-035. Applicants: Smith-Lisle Holdings, and Numero Uno, Ltd. (Administrative consideration)]
SIX, PUBLIC HEARING PRELIMINARY RELA TRGJ PLACE EDITION BLOCK A LOT ONE THREE HUNDRED AND TWENTY FIVE MULTI-FAMILY RESIDENCE UNITS ON ONE LOT ON 4.8 ACRES LOCATED ON THE WEST SIDE OF J PLACE 110 FEET NORTH OF STATE HIGHWAY ONE 90 ZONE PLAN DEVELOPMENT 57 CORRIDOR COMMERCIAL AND LOCATED WITHIN THE ONE 90 TOLLWAY PLANO PARKWAY OVERLAY DISTRICT APPLICANTS ARE SMITH LYLE HOLDINGS AND NURO UNO LIMITED ADMINISTRATIVE CONSIDERATION.THIS ITEM, THIS ITEM IS RECOMMENDED FOR APPROVAL SUBJECT TO THE ADDITIONS IN ALTERATION
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TO THE ENGINEERING PLANS AS REQUIRED BY THE ENGINEERING DEPARTMENT AND I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF ON THIS ITEM? SEEING NONE THANK YOU.
DO WE HAVE ANY SPEAKERS ON THIS ITEM? NO WE DO NOT.
AGENDA ITEM NUMBER SIX AS RECOMMENDED BY STAFF I HAVE A MOTION BY COMMISSIONER BROSKY WITH A SECOND BY COMMISSIONER ALI TO APPROVE ITEM SIX AS RECOMMENDED BY STAFF.
PLEASE VOTE AND THAT ITEM CARRIES SEVEN TO ZERO WITH UH, ONE CONFLICTED OUT MR. LYLE UH, RECUSED HIMSELF ON THIS ITEM.
[7. (PM) Public Hearing - Revised Preliminary Replat & Revised Site Plan: Huffines Plano Properties Addition, Block A, Lots 1-3 - New and used vehicle dealer on three lots on 10.9 acres located at the northwest corner of Plano Parkway and Coit Road. Zoned Light Industrial-1 and located within the 190 Tollway/Plano Parkway Overlay District. Projects #RPR2023-001 and #RSP2023-062. Applicant: Huffines Plano Properties, LP (Legislative consideration)]
ITEM NUMBER SEVEN, REVISED PRELIMINARY REPL AND REVISE SITE PLAN HUFFINES PLANO PROPERTIES EDITION BLOCK A LOTS ONE THROUGH THREE NEW AND USED VEHICLE DEALER ON THREE LOTS ON 10.9 ACRES LOCATED AT THE NORTHWEST CORNER OF PLANO PARKWAY AND COTE ROAD ZONED LIGHT INDUSTRIAL ONE AND LOCATED WITHIN THE ONE 90 TOLL WAY PLANO PARKWAY OVERLAY DISTRICT APPLICANT IS HUFFINES PLANO PROPERTIES LP.THIS IS FOR LEGISLATIVE CONSIDERATION.
THE PURPOSE OF THE REVISED PRELIMINARY REPL AND REVISED SITE PLAN IS TO MODIFY GATES FOR THE EXISTING NEW AND USED VEHICLE DEALERSHIP FOR THE PROPOSED AND THE PROPOSED NEW VEHICLE DEALERSHIP TO BE ALLOWED OVER AN ACCESS EASEMENT.
A PRELIMINARY REPL WAS SUBMITTED TO CREATE THREE LOTS AND MODIFY EASEMENTS AND REVISED SITE PLAN WAS SUBMITTED TO SHARE THE PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT AND SITE MODIFICATIONS TO THE EXISTING DEVELOPMENT.
THE SUBJECT PROPERTY WAS ORIGINALLY DEVELOPED WITH TWO DEAL TWO VEHICLE DEALERSHIPS ON TWO LOTS HUFFINES HYUNDAI PLANO AND HUFFINES PLANOS PRE-OWNED SUPERSTORE.
THE TWO LOT DEVELOPMENT IS SHOWN ONSCREEN.
HIGHLIGHT IN BLUE AND TWO GATES EXIST ONSITE TODAY.
ONE IN THE NORTHEASTERN DRIVE ON COY ROAD AND ONE ON THE SOUTHERN DRIVE OFF OF PLANO PARKWAY IN 2023.
THESE PLANS WERE APPROVED TO SUB APPROVED TO SUBDIVIDE THE SUBJECT PROPERTY INTO THREE LOTS WITH THE TWO EXISTING DEALERSHIPS AND THEN A NEW PROPOSED DEALERSHIP.
THESE PLANS ALSO INCLUDE A NEW DRIVEWAY ACCESS ALONG COY ROAD WITH AN ACCESS EASEMENT PROVIDING CONNECTIVITY BETWEEN ALL THREE LOTS AS A TEMPORARY SOLUTION, THE APPLICANT OPTED TO REMOVE GATES FROM THE SITE PLAN TO OBTAIN CONSTRUCTION PERMITS AND RETURN LATER TO REQUEST THE VARIANCE FOR THE GATES WITH CONSTRUCTION NOW UNDERWAY, THE PURPOSE OF THE REVISED PRELIMINARY RELA AND THE REVISED SITE PLAN IS TO CONSIDER A VARIANCE TO ALLOW ACCESS EASEMENTS SERVING THE SUBJECT PROPERTY TO BE GATED.
THIS VARIANCE REQUEST WILL ALLOW THE ACCESS EASEMENTS TO BE GATED WITH THE CONDITIONS THAT THE GATES REMAIN OPEN DURING BUSINESS HOURS AND ALL THREE LOTS REMAIN UNDER THE SAME OWNERSHIP.
PLANO FIRE RESCUE AND ENGINEERING DEPARTMENT HAVE REVIEWED THE PLANS AND ARE SUPPORTIVE OF THE VARIANCE WITH THE CONDITIONS THAT THE GATES BE LEFT OPEN DURING BUSINESS HOURS AND THE PROPERTY REMAINS UNDER THE SAME OWNERSHIP.
SO THIS REQUEST IS RECOMMENDED FOR APPROVAL SUBJECT TO THE FOLLOWING CONDITIONS.
GATES PLACED AT THE DRIVEWAY ENTRANCE FOR LOTS.
ONE, TWO, AND THREE SHALL BE OPEN AND CLOSED AT THE SAME TIME.
REMAIN OPEN FOR ALL BUSINESS HOURS AND THAT A CHANGE IN THE OWNERSHIP OF ANGELA LOTS INVALIDATES THE VARIANCE REQUEST AT THE DRIVEWAY ENTRANCES AND I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.
UH, MR. BRUNO? THANK YOU MR. CHAIRMAN.
SUPPOSE THERE'S A FIRE AFTER HOURS OR ON A SUNDAY, UH, HOW WOULD THE FIRE DEPARTMENT GAIN ACCESS TO THE PROPERTY IF THE GATES ARE CLOSED? THE GATES WILL BE EQUIPPED WITH KNOCK BOXES THAT ALLOW THE FIRE DEPARTMENT INTO THE PROPERTY.
UM, SHOULD THAT BE ONE OF THE CONDITIONS TO APPROVAL OF THE ZONING? I BELIEVE THAT IS, IT IS MARKED ON THE PLAN AS EQUIPPED WITH KNOCK BOXES ARE STANDARD PROCEDURE THAT ANY GATES THAT CROSS FIRE LANES, UH, ARE REQUIRED TO BE EQUIPPED WITH KNOCK BOXES.
IT IT'S ON THE SITE PLAN? CORRECT.
OKAY, THANK YOU COMMISSIONER IFF, JUST A CLARIFYING QUESTION 'CAUSE YOU SAID IT TWO DIFFERENT WAYS AND IT'S PRESENTED DIFFERENTLY ON YOUR SLIDE.
A CHANGE IN OWNERSHIP OF ANY OF THE LOTS OR IF AS LONG AS ALL LOTS ARE OWNED BY THE SAME OWNER, 2D VERY DIFFERENT THINGS.
SO RIGHT NOW I BELIEVE, UM, IF IT EVER CHANGES FROM THESE, THE THREE, EXCUSE ME, LEMME CLARIFY.
IF IT CHANGES FROM THIS THREE, THE ONE OWNER THAT IT IS TODAY, THE RAJA FINDS PROPERTY LAND TRUST OR THE PROPERTY LAND TRUST, THEN IT WOULD INVALIDATE THE VARIANCE.
SO IF THERE'S A NEW OWNERSHIP THAT STILL OWNS ALL THREE, IT WOULD INVALIDATE THE VARIANCE, I BELIEVE WITH THE WAY IT'S WRITTEN NOW.
AND THE OWNER'S OKAY WITH THAT? YES.
AND THE APPLICANT IS HERE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT THAT AS WELL.
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THANK YOU.UM, MR. BRONSKI, I UH, SO I HAVE A SIMP I THINK IT'S SIMPLE, SIMPLE QUESTION.
UM, THE DEALERSHIP IS REFERRED TO AS, UH, HUFFINES PLANO, A PRE-OWNED SUPERSTORE.
THAT'S NOT THE, THAT'S JUST A TERM THEY'RE USING THERE, RIGHT? THAT'S NOT RELATED, UH, AS IT IS IN OUR ZONING ORDINANCE.
THAT'S THE, UM, PROPERTY BACK TO THE SITE PLAN.
I JUST WANTED TO CLARIFY THAT, THAT IN REFERENCING THAT THEY'RE NOT REFERENCING OUR ZONING ORDINANCE, CORRECT? YEAH, THE ZONING ORDINANCE IS JUST USED VEHICLE DEALERSHIP FOR THAT LOT THREE.
THANK YOU COMMISSIONER MCC CAREY? YEAH, PARKER, A SIMPLE QUESTION.
HOW, HOW MANY GATES WILL THIS ENTAIL? ACTUALLY IT'LL BE, IT SAYS FOR ALL LOTS, BUT HOW MANY TOTAL GATES WILL THAT BE? IT'D BE THREE GATES.
IT SEEMS TO ME THAT ONE OF THE REASONS FOR POTENTIALLY STAFF SUPPORTING THE VARIANCE IS BECAUSE ALL THE LOTS ARE OWNED BY THE SAME OWNER.
IS THAT CORRECT? THAT IS CORRECT.
THEN IF ALL THREE OF THE LOTS GET SOLD TO THE SAME OWNER, WHY WOULD THAT INVALIDATE IT? I UNDERSTAND THAT'S WHAT THE LANGUAGE SAYS.
YOU'VE QUOTED IT CORRECTLY, BUT IT SEEMS TO ME THAT AS LONG AS THE ALL THREE LOTS ARE OWNED BY THE SAME OWNER THAT IT SHOULDN'T INVALIDATE THE VARIANCE.
I DON'T BELIEVE THAT CONVERSATION'S REALLY COME UP FROM THE APPLICANTS.
UH, WHAT THEY HAVE TOLD US IS THAT THEY PLAN TO HOLD ONTO THE PROPERTY FOR SO THEY'RE JUST NOT WORRIED ABOUT IT.
AND I BELIEVE THE PROPERTY TO THE NORTH, IF YOU LOOK ON THE AERIAL RIGHT NOW, IS ALSO OWNED BY THE SAME PROPERTY OWNER.
SO THEY OWN PRETTY MUCH ALL THE DEALERSHIPS FROM PLANT, FROM PLANO ROAD ON CO GOING NORTH.
IF THEY'RE NOT WORRIED ABOUT IT, I I WON'T BE EITHER.
DO WE HAVE ANY SPEAKERS ON IT? YES, WE HAVE THE APPLICANT DON PAAL.
YOU'RE GOING TO NOT GET THE PRIVILEGE OF HEARING MY PRESENTATION 'CAUSE IT'S PRETTY MUCH BEEN COVERED AND THERE'S NO POINT IN COVERING THE SAME GROUND.
I AM GOING TO TRY TO ADDRESS THE QUESTIONS I HEARD.
I LIKE TO MAKE SURE WE ARE CLEAR AS TO WHERE WE'RE GOING.
UH, ONE OF THE QUESTIONS HAD TO DO WITH THE SPECIFICS OF THAT WAS JUST ASKED RELATIVE TO COULD THE VARIANCE CONTINUE IF A PURCHASER TOOK ALL THREE LOTS, WE WOULD BE HAPPY WITH THAT.
THAT'S NOT THE WAY WE ACTUALLY WROTE IT.
WE DID NOT AN ANTICIPATE THAT PARTICULAR ISSUE AS BEING A BIG MATTER.
BUT A SECOND MATTER FROM MY EXPERIENCES IN LOCAL GOVERNMENT, TYPICALLY WHEN THAT KIND OF COMMITMENT IS MADE, IT'S THE OWNER.
IN THIS PARTICULAR CASE, IT'S THE HUFFINES CHILDREN'S TRUST THAT OWNS THE LAND.
IT'S RAY HUFFINES AUTO DEALERSHIPS THAT OPERATES AND OWNS ALL THE FACILITIES AND RUNS THE DEALERSHIPS.
THOSE COMMITMENTS THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT ARE BEING MADE BY THOSE TWO ENTITIES.
WE COULD NOT MAINTAIN THAT COMMITMENT IF SOMEONE ELSE OWNED IT.
WE ASSUMED AT THAT POINT THAT THEY WOULD COME IN IF SOMEBODY BOUGHT ALL THREE OF THEM AND ASK THAT THAT VARIANCE BE CONTINUED AND PUT THEIR OWN NAME ON, ON THE COMMITMENT.
THAT'S THE LEGAL INTERPRETATION THAT I WOULD, WOULD GIVE YOU.
THAT SEEMS TO MAKE SENSE TO MAKE SURE YOU HAVE SOMEONE IF THEY DON'T VI IF THEY VIOLATE THAT ORDINANCE OR THE PROVISION OF THE VARIANCE THAT YOU CAN DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT AND YOU CAN WHEN THE, THE OWNER IS MAKING THAT COMMITMENT.
THE SECOND, THERE WAS A SECOND QUESTION.
LET ME IF YOU COULD REPEAT THAT.
I WILL ANSWER THAT ONE TO THE BEST OF MY ABILITY.
NO, THE STAFF TOOK CARE OF IT.
MY QUESTION WAS THE ZONING ORDINANCE CALLS OUT SPECIFIC, UH, TERMS SUPERSTORE AND SO THAT WASN'T YEAH, I JUST WANTED TO CLARIFY THIS QUESTION OVER HERE AS I RECALL.
YEAH, WE BASICALLY WORKED WITH, ACTUALLY WE STARTED WITH THE STAFF WHEN WE GOT, WHEN WE REALIZED MIDWAY THROUGH THE HYUNDAI PROJECT BEFORE WE EVER HAD A BUILDING PERMIT, WE THOUGHT WE WERE JUST GONNA BE DOING THAT.
THEN GENESIS CAME IN AND WANTED US TO BUILD A NEW FACILITY.
THEY WILL NOT ALLOW TWO DEALERSHIPS IN THE SAME BUILDING.
THEY WANT THE GENESIS BRAND TO HAVE ITS OWN FACILITY.
IT'S CONSIDERED A PREMIUM AND IT WILL BE A VERY NICE FACILITY.
AND MR. HUFFINE SAID, YEAH, WE CAN DO THAT.
AND SAID, DON, CAN YOU FIGURE OUT THIS? AND THAT'S WHAT WE'VE BEEN TRYING TO DO IS WORK IT OUT.
AND WE STARTED WITH THE STAFF.
WE'VE SPENT LITERALLY MONTHS AND MONTHS AND MONTHS.
THERE WERE A LOT OF LITTLE THINGS TO MAKE IT FIT BECAUSE OF THE OLD C CHARACTERISTICS OF THE PLATTS THAT HAD BEEN THERE AND THEY HAD NOT BEEN UPDATED
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IN IN A LONG TIME.I CAN'T EVEN TELL YOU HOW ALL THOSE PLANTS WERE.
ON THE SOUTHWEST CORNER AT KOYT AND PLANO PARKWAY, THERE'S A PIECE OF PROPERTY THAT HUFFINES ACQUIRED FROM THE CITY OF PLANO ABOUT 30 YEARS AGO, I THINK WHEN PLANO ABANDONED THE FLYOVER FOR, UH, KOWAI ROAD, THEY HAD PROPERTY THEY DIDN'T NEED.
HUFFINES TOOK IT OFF THEIR HANDS AND BOUGHT IT AND IT'S BEEN THERE NEVER BEEN PART OF THE PLAID.
AND AS THAT CAME IN AND WAS VISITING WITH THE STAFF, THEY SAID THERE'S A LOT OF REALLY OLD STUFF AND SOME OF THESE THINGS LOOK LIKE THEY'VE BEEN CHANGED OVER TIME.
MINOR CHANGES THAT WERE ALLOWED RIGHT OR WRONG, CAN'T NOT, NOT EVEN ADDRESSING THAT.
WE LOOKED AT IT AND I AGREED EVERY TIME WE GO IN FOR A PROJECT IN THE FUTURE, THERE'S GONNA BE A QUESTION, WHY IS THIS STUFF UP NOT CORRECT? AND MR. HUFFINES AGREED WE COULD SPEND THE MONEY, UPDATE THE PLATS, MAKE IT ALL CORRECT AND BRING THEM ALL TOGETHER WITH THE FIRE LANES AND ALL THE STUFF.
AND SO WE'VE DONE THOSE THINGS, THAT'S WHY WE'RE IN HERE.
THEN WE GOT TO THIS POINT AND FIGURED OUT THAT, OH, THIS PARTICULAR ISSUE REQUIRES P AND Z TO APPROVE THE VARIANCE FOR THE GATE ISSUE.
AND IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO SEE THE WAY THOSE WORK, WE COULD DO THAT.
UH, BUT WE STRUCTURED ON PARTICULAR, TRIED TO STRUCTURE IT VERY WELL.
WE'VE PUT IN AT ALL THREE ENTRANCES, UNUSUALLY WIDE ENTRANCES WITH A MEDIAN ON PART OF IT.
UH, BUT TO MAKE IT WIDE ENOUGH BECAUSE IT'S NOT THE TYPICAL DEPTH YOU WOULD LIKE ON A, JUST COULDN'T ACHIEVE IT ON THE OLD PROPERTY.
I SAY THAT THE ONE ON COY ROAD, IT'S 90 FEET DEEP INSTEAD OF 60.
THE OTHER TWO ON, NO ON PLANTON PARKWAY IS THE 90 FEET.
THE ONE ON UH, THE TWO ON COY, UH, INTO HYUNDAI AND WHAT WILL BE IN GENESIS ARE ONLY 46.
UH, AND STILL MAINTAIN THE TURNING RADIUS'S FOR THE FIRE DEPARTMENT.
SO WE MADE 'EM EXTRA WIDE SO THAT THERE'S TWO LANES IN AND TWO LANES OUT AND YOU CAN STACK ALL THE CARS YOU WANT THERE.
WITH THAT, THAT EXTRA SPACE, WE THINK WE'VE MET THE INTENT OF THE ORDINANCE AND THAT'S THE VARIANCE THAT YOU'RE ASKED TO TAKE TO ADDRESS TONIGHT.
I HOPE THAT ADDRESSES THAT TO YOUR SATISFACTION.
UH, MR. HUFFINES IS A VERY GOOD OPERATOR.
HE'S A, AN EXCELLENT OPERATOR, UH, AND A VERY NICE GUY AND A PROUD CITIZEN OF OF PLANO.
UH, HE IS NOT A POLITICAL PERSON AT ALL.
UH, HE ASKS OUR OPINIONS ON THINGS AND HE, AS LONG AS THEY'RE RATIONAL AND WE CAN TELL HIM WHY IT'S A GOOD INVESTMENT, HE SAYS YES.
THAT'S THE KIND OF PERSON I LIKE WORKING FOR.
YOU KNOW, THEY DON'T CONTEST THINGS THAT ARE A PROBLEM.
I WILL TELL YOU, YOU MIGHT HAVE PROBLEMS WITH SOME DEALERS WITH THIS KIND OF CHANGE THAT WE'RE MAKING WITH THAT COMMITMENT.
UH, MANY AUTOMOBILE DEALERSHIPS CHANGE OWNERSHIP MANAGEMENT AND EVERYTHING SOMEWHAT FREQUENTLY.
NOT ONLY IS HUFFINES KNOWN FOR SERVICE TO THE CUSTOMER, BUT THEY ALSO HAVE DEALERSHIPS THAT HAVE KIND OF A UNIQUE LEGACY OF BEING ONE OF THE OLDEST FAMILY OWNED AUTO DEALERSHIPS IN TEXAS.
WHEN I ASKED THIS QUESTION ABOUT SELLING, HE SAID WE DON'T SELL DEALERSHIPS.
IS THERE ANY MORE QUESTIONS? OKAY, I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE WE HAD THE QUESTIONS ANSWERED.
THAT WAS ALL WE HAD THAT WE NEED.
WE'RE GONNA BE A HUNDRED YEARS OLD NEXT YEAR.
WE PLAN TO BE 200 YEARS OLD SOMEDAY.
AND WE HOPE Y'ALL COME TO US, PART OF THE CELEBRATION CHAIR.
CAN WE HAVE HIM STATE HIS NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD PLEASE? YES, PLEASE NAME AND ADDRESS MINE.
UH, 9 0 4 PARKWOOD COURT, MCKINNEY, TEXAS.
ALRIGHT, WE HEADING THAT WAY WE'D HAVE OUR HEADQUARTERS.
ALRIGHT, I'LL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING.
WE DON'T HAVE ANY OTHER SPEAKERS.
MR. BRONSKI, I MOVE THAT WE APPROVE AGENDA ITEM NUMBER SEVEN AS RECOMMENDED BY STAFF AND I JUST WANNA SAY THANKS TO THE HUFFINES FAMILY FOR THEIR GREAT QUALITY AND UH, FOR BEING TERRIFIC CITIZENS.
SO WE HAVE A A, A MOTION BY COMMISSIONER BROSKY WITH A SECOND BY COMMISSIONER KERRY TO APPROVE ITEM SEVEN.
UH, PLEASE VOTE AND ITEM CARRIES EIGHT TO ZERO.
CHAIRMAN, I WOULD BE REMISS IF I DID NOT.
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IS FOR ITEM EIGHT.WE JUST KNEW IF WE HAD EVERYONE ELSE WAITING WHILE WE WENT THROUGH YOURS, THEY WOULD FALL ASLEEP AND IT WOULD NOT BE A GOOD LOOK FOR ANY OF US.
SO, UM, WE THOUGHT WE'D MOVE THESE QUICKLY
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OUT OF THE WAY AND IT KIND OF WORKED.UH, ITEM EIGHT A AND B PLEASE.
UH, ITEM NUMBER EIGHT, A PUBLIC HEARING ZONING CASE.
2023 DASH ZERO FIVE REQUEST TO REZONE FROM REGIONAL COMMERCIAL TO PLAN DEVELOPMENT REGIONAL COMMERCIAL AND TO RESCIND SPECIFIC USE PERMITS NUMBER 56 4 34, 4 44 AND 4 48 FOR PRIVATE CLUB ON 89.1 ACRES LOCATED ON THE WEST SIDE OF THE DALLAS NORTH TOLLWAY 305 FEET NORTH OF PARK BOULEVARD.
THIS IS ZONED REGIONAL REGIONAL COMMERCIAL WITH SPECIFIC USE PERMITS NUMBER 56 4 34, 4 44 AND 4 48 FOR PRIVATE CLUB AND NUMBER 5, 5 70 FOR AUTOMOBILE LEASING.
RENTING AND LOCATED WITHIN THE DALLAS NORTH POWAY OVERLAY DISTRICT.
THIS WAS TABLED ON DECEMBER 4TH, 2023.
PETITIONERS ARE CENTENNIAL WATERFALL, WILLOW BEND, LLC, THE NEIMAN MARCUS GROUP LLC MACY'S RETAIL HOLDINGS, LLC AND DILLARD'S INCORPORATED.
THIS IS FOR LEGISLATIVE CONSIDERATION ACCOMPANYING THE ITEM IS A PUBLIC HEARING CONCEPT.
PLAN THE SHOPS AT WILLOW BEND BLOCK ONE LOTS, ONE R 3 5 6 R AND 13 THROUGH 21.
REGIONAL MALL RETAIL PROFESSIONAL GENERAL ADMINISTRATIVE OFFICE, MULTI-FAMILY RESIDENCE UNITS AND MID-RISE.
RESIDENTIAL OPEN SPACE HOTEL AND VEHICLE PARKING LOT ON 13 LOTS ON 76.2 ACRES.
LOCATED ON THE WEST SIDE OF THE NORTH DALLAS NORTH TOLLWAY 305 FEET NORTH OF PARK BOULEVARD.
APPLICANT IS CENTENNIAL WATERFALL, WILLOW BEND, LLC.
THIS IS FOR ADMINISTRATIVE CONSIDERATION.
THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING TO REZONE FROM REGIONAL COMMERCIAL TO PLAN DEVELOPMENT REGIONAL COMMERCIAL TO ALLOW PARTIAL REDEVELOPMENT OF THE SHOPS AT WILLOW BEND MALL.
THIS REQUEST WOULD ALLOW THE APPLICANT TO INCLUDE PROPOSED USES SUCH AS HOTEL OFFICE, RETAIL, MID-RISE, INDEPENDENT LIVING AND MULTIFAMILY RESIDENCE UNITS.
THE PROPERTIES ON THE NORTH SOUTH EAST ARE GENERALLY ZONED REGIONAL COMMERCIAL AND THERE ARE DEVELOPED WITH COMMERCIAL USES AND MULTIFAMILY TO THE NORTH ON THE WEST.
THE PROPERTY IS IS ZONED PLAN DEVELOPMENT ONE 12 RETAIL AND AGAIN IT'S UM, DEVELOPED AS COMMERCIAL.
THE CONCEPT PLAN IS A SEPARATE ITEM AS MS. BRIDGES READ TO BE CONSIDERED AS PART OF AGENDA ITEM NUMBER B.
THE OPEN SPACE PLAN IS INCLUDED WITH THE ZONING REQUEST AND WILL BE ADOPTED WITH ORDINANCE IF APPROVED.
TO GIVE YOU AN OVERVIEW, THE APPLICANT INTENDS TO DEMOLISH 5,530,000 SQUARE FEET OF THE EXISTING SHOPPING MALL SHOWN IN YELLOW.
THE REMAINING FOUR 400,000 SQUARE FEET OF THE MALL WILL BE MAINTAINED IN ADDITION TO THREE ANCHOR STORES TO SMALLER RETAIL BUILDINGS, THE DISTRICT RESTAURANT AREA AND THE AND THREE PARKING STRUCTURES.
THE SCOPE OF NEW DEVELOPMENT WILL INCLUDE 18 STORY HOTEL SHOWN IN BLUE.
SEVEN STORY OFFICE BUILDING SHOWN IN PURPLE, ONE TO TWO STORY RETAIL SHOWN IN RED.
FIVE STORY MID-RISE RESIDENTIAL AND THREE STORY MULTI-FAMILY SHOWN IN ORANGE, A QUASI-PUBLIC STREET AND AN OPEN SPACE.
IN THE FOLLOWING SLIDES WE WILL BRIEFLY TOUCH ON SOME OF THE ISSUES SUCH AS HOUSING BUILDING HEIGHT AND SETBACKS, DESIGN STANDARDS, STREET AND STREET SCAPE OPEN SPACE AMENITIES SLASH PHASING INFRASTRUCTURE CAPACITY CONFORMANCE TO THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
THE APPLICANT IS PROPOSING 957 MID-RISE AND INDEPENDENT LIVING UNITS AND 40 D MULTI-FAMILY UNITS NOT EXCEEDING 965 UNITS IN TOTAL.
ALL UNITS TO BE LOCATED OUTSIDE OF ENVIRONMENTAL HEALTH AREAS.
ONE IN TWO SINGLE-FAMILY RESIDENCE UNITS WAS RECOMMENDED BY A STAFF TO ACHIEVE HOUSING MIX REQUIREMENT OF THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
HOWEVER, THE APPLICANT IS WILLING TO PROVIDE 40 SINGLE FAMILY LOOKING MULTI-FAMILY INSTEAD THE EXHIBIT BEFORE YOU SHOWS ENVIRONMENTAL HEALTH AREA ONE AND
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TWO IN RELATION TO THIS SITE.EXISTING REGIONAL COMMERCIAL ZONING ALLOWS UP TO 20 STORY BUILDINGS.
THIS PROPOSAL LIMITS 20 STORY BUILDINGS TO 725 BUFFER AREA FROM D DALLAS PARKWAY AND THE REMAINDER OF THE DEVELOPMENT WILL BE LIMITED TO FIVE STORY BUILDINGS.
ALSO THIS DEVELOPMENT IS REQUIRED TO ACQUIRE F-A-F-A-A PERMIT IN ORDER TO BE ABLE TO DEVELOP.
THERE ARE VARIABLE SETBACK STIPULATIONS REGARDING THIS DEVELOPMENT AS SHOWN ON THIS EXHIBIT.
LOTS FRONTING PUBLIC RIGHT OF WAY WILL HAVE 50 FEET FRONT YARD SETBACK SHOWN IN PINK ON LOT 13.
A 40 FOOT SETBACK IS REQUIRED, WHICH IS SHOWN IN BLUE ON LOT 17 WHICH WILL BE THE HOTEL LOT.
A 30 FOOT SETBACK IS REQUIRED.
ALL LOTS FRONTING QUASI-PUBLIC STREET AND FIRE LANE SHOWN IN GREEN WILL HAVE A 15 FOOT SETBACK.
75% OF THE BUILDING FACE MUST BE WITHIN THE 15 FOOT SETBACK OF THE EDGE OF QUASI PUBLIC STREET OR EASEMENTS.
PDS STIPULATIONS INCLUDE BUILDING DESIGN STANDARDS TO ENCOURAGE DESIRABLE DEVELOPMENT ITEMS. THOSE ARE INCLUDED AS BUILDING ARTICULATION AND DESIGN WRAP PARKING STRUCTURES, GLAZING BALCONIES AND BUILDING SETBACKS WHICH WE JUST DISCUSSED.
THE APPLICANT IS PROPOSING A NEW INTERNAL STREET NETWORK WHICH WILL BE CONSTRUCTED FOR TYPE G MIXED USE STREET STANDARD DESIGNS.
SOME OF THESE STANDARDS ARE STREET TREES, SEVEN FOOT SIDEWALKS AND ON-STREET PARKING PD STIPULATION ALSO REQUIRES 10 ACRES OF THE OPEN SPACE OF WHICH SEVEN ACRE IS REQUIRED TO BE PUBLICLY AVAILABLE.
HOWEVER, THE OPENNESS SPACE PLAN IS SHOWING 10.2 ACRES OF TOTAL OF OPENNESS SPACE AND 1.6 60 ACRES IS PRIVATE AND EIGHT POINT 52 ACRES IS PUBLIC OPENNESS.
SPACE CONSTRUCTION IS TIED TO THE PHASING OF THIS DEVELOPMENT AND CERTIFICATE OF OCCUPANCY OF PHASE ONE IS CONTINGENT UPON CONSTRUCTION OF OPENNESS SPACE C ONE HIGHLIGHTED IN YELLOW AND OPENNESS SPACE B ONE WHICH IS HIGHLIGHT HIGHLIGHTED IN PURPLE, UH, NEEDS TO BE CONSTRUCTED BEFORE CERTIFICATE OF OCCUPANCY OF LOTS 19 AND 20 OR LOT 15 IS ISSUED.
THE REMAINDER OF OPEN SPACE PLAN WILL BE CONSTRUCTED PRIOR TO ISSUANCE OF COS FOR THE REMAINDER OF UNITS.
IN REGARDS TO INFRASTRUCTURE CAPACITY, SUBSTANTIAL ADDITIONAL OFFSITE WASTEWATER IS REQUIRED BASED ON THE INCREASE IN SEWER DEMAND.
WITH THIS PROPOSAL BASED ON TRAFFIC IMPACT ANALYSIS RESULT, THE FOLLOWING IMPROVEMENTS TO THE SURROUNDING ROADWAY NETWORK WILL BE REQUIRED A CONSTRUCTION OF EASTBOUND RIGHT TURN LANE FROM CHAPEL HILL BOULEVARD TO SERVE MALL ROAD C CONSTRUCTION OF AN EASTBOUND DRIVE RIGHT TURN LANE FROM CHAPEL HILL BOULEVARD TO SERVE NORTH DRIVE CONSTRUCTION OF A WESTBOUND, WESTBOUND LEFT TURN LANE FROM CHAPEL HILL BOULEVARD TO SERVE NORTH DRIVE.
THE SUBJECT PROPERTY IS LOCATED WITHIN SUBURBAN ACTIVITY CENTERS OF THE FUTURE LAND USE MAP.
THE APPLICANT IS PROPOSING TO REDUCE THE SIZE OF THE EXISTING REGIONAL MALL IN AN EFFORT TO TRANSITION TO DESTINATION SHOPPING AND ENTERTAINMENT CENTER.
HOWEVER, THIS REQUEST COULDN'T COMPLY WITH THE FOLLOWING ITEMS NOTED ON THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN ITEMS SUCH AS MIX OF USES DENSITY, OPEN SPACE, RGM FIVE AND RGM EIGHT.
THIS TABLE SUMMARIZES COMPLIANCE OF THIS REZONING REQUEST TO THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN POLICIES.
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TO SUM IT UP, SINCE THE PROPOSED REZONING DOESN'T MEET THE RECOMMENDED HOUSING MIX AND DENSITY NOTED IN RGM, ONE FINDINGS WILL BE REQUIRED TO APPROVE THE REQUEST.WE DID NOT RECEIVE AN OFFICIAL SIGN LETTER WITHIN 200 FEET BUFFER OF THIS REZONING REQUEST.
HOWEVER, WE RECEIVED 36 UNIQUE RESPONSES OF WHICH 16 IN FAVOR 46 WERE IN A POSITION AND ONE NEUTRAL RESPONSE.
AS FOR THE RECOMMENDATION FOR FOR THE ZONING CASE, THE STAFF RECOMMENDS UM, UM, TH THIS REQUEST IS DIS FAVORED UNDER THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION MAY OCCASIONALLY ALLOW PROPOSALS THAT DO NOT STRICTLY CONFORM TO THE PLAN'S STANDARDS IF THEIR REQUEST IS FOUND CONSISTENT WITH THE GUIDING PRINCIPLES OF THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AND SUBSTANTIALLY BENEFICIAL TO THE IMMEDIATE NEIGHBORS SURROUNDING COMMUNITY AND GENERAL PUBLIC INTEREST.
AND FOR THE CONCEPT PLAN RECOMMENDED THAT PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION TAKES ACTION CONSISTENT WITH ZONING CASE 2023 DASH ZERO FIVE.
THE APPLICANT IS HERE AND THEY HAVE A PRESENTATION.
I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU MIGHT HAVE.
THANK YOU MS. TI THAT'S A VERY THOROUGH REPORT.
IT WAS A LONG READ BUT UH, A LOT OF GOOD INFORMATION IN THERE SO THANK YOU FOR THE DETAILED ANALYSIS.
COUPLE COUPLE OF JUST GENERAL QUESTIONS.
UM, I NOTICED IN THE PD LANGUAGE WE ADDED INDEPENDENT LIVING FACILITY BUT I DIDN'T SEE ANYWHERE IN THERE WHERE THERE WAS A PROPOSED ONE.
ARE THEY JUST LEAVING THEIR OPTION OPEN OR IS THAT A QUESTION FOR THE APPLICANT? THAT IS CORRECT.
THE INDEPENDENT LIVING FACILITY IS NOT SHOWN ON THE CONCEPT PLAN BUT THE APPLICANT UM, IS ALLOWED TO HAVE IT IF THEY CHOOSE TO.
UM, SO WHEN I LOOK ALSO AT PAGE, I GUESS IT'S FIVE OF YOUR REPORT, 99 IN OUR PACKET, UH, LAND USE RELATED POLICIES.
UM, ONE OF OUR LAND USE RELATED POLICIES IS ABOUT REV REVITALIZATION OF RETAIL SHOPPING CENTERS.
AND I KNOW THAT'S SPECIFICALLY TARGETED TO THE FOUR CORNERS ISSUES BUT IT SEEMS TO APPLY TO THIS AS WELL.
IS THERE A REASON WHY WE'RE NOT APPLYING IT TO THIS CASE? IT'S EXACTLY FOR THE REASONS YOU MENTIONED.
IT'S THAT POLICY IS DE IS DESIGNED FOR THE FOUR CORNER RETAILS.
HOWEVER, WE DID CONSIDER THE REG REDEVELOPMENT OF REGIONAL TRANSPORTATION CORRIDORS, WHICH IS MORE APPLICABLE IN THIS CASE 'CAUSE IT'S ALONG THE DALLAS NORTH TOLLWAY.
AND THEN UM, THAT WOULD ALSO ABOUT SPECIAL NEEDS HOUSING.
IF WE'RE PUTTING IN INDEPENDENT LIVING FACILITIES AS AN OPTION, WOULD THE SPECIAL NEEDS HOUSING, UM, LAND USE POLICIES NOT BE INCLUDED AS WELL? YEAH, THAT, THAT'S A GOOD POINT.
UM, BUT YES, BECAUSE IT WAS NOT INCLUDED IN THE CONCEPT PLAN, WE DIDN'T INCLUDE IT IN THE ANALYSIS.
BUT YES, THAT WOULD HELP FURTHER THE SPECIAL NEEDS HOUSING POLICY.
UM, AND THEN, UM, LAST YOU HAD A SLIDE THAT WAS ABOUT RGM FIVE.
CAN YOU GO BACK TO THE, YOUR SLIDE ABOUT RGM FIVE? THERE IT IS.
IF, IF I, IF I READ THE PACKET CORRECTLY, THIS PROPOSAL DOES MEET FIVE A AND FIVE B, CORRECT? THAT IS CORRECT.
BUT IT DOESN'T MEET UM, RGM FIVE C.
IT PAR PARTIALLY MEETS PARTIALLY FIVE C PARTIALLY MEETS 'CAUSE OF THE DENSITY QUESTION.
FIVE C IS ABOUT PROVIDING KEY DESIGN FEATURES IN EARLY IN PRIOR TO ANY RESIDENTIAL PHASES.
THEY'RE PROVIDING IT WITH EACH PHASE BUT NOT PRIOR TO ALL PHASES.
OKAY, SO THAT'S WHY IT'S PARTIALLY CORRECT.
SO WE, WE, THAT'S WHY I WAS MUCH WANTED TO MAKE SURE I WAS CLEAR 'CAUSE THE WAY I READ THE PACKET, IT DOES MEET FIVE A AND B AND WHAT YOU'RE SAYING IS ALSO PARTIALLY MEETS FIVE C.
SO REALLY WE'RE REALLY TALKING ABOUT RGM ONE IS THE ISSUES THAT ARE SIGNIFICANT IN THIS CASE.
IS THAT CORRECT? THAT'S CORRECT.
UM, LAST BUT NOT LEAST HELP ME WITH SOME MATH.
UH, RESIDENTIAL DENSITY, IS THAT CALCULATED BY LOT OR HOW ARE WE DOING THAT WITH THE MIXED USE? ARE WE LOOKING AT HOW THEY SIT ON THEIR PARTICULAR LOT OR IS THAT CALCULATED AS THE OVERALL PART OF THE DEVELOPMENT? FOR THE PURPOSES OF THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, IT IS SLIGHTLY DIFFERENT THAN WHAT THE ZONING ORDINANCE DEFINES AS DENSITY.
UM, THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN LIMITS IT TO THE AREA ATTRIBUTABLE TO THAT USE.
SO IN THIS CASE, WE'RE TAKING EVERYTHING, EVEN THOUGH IT MAY NOT BE A LOT, IT'S THE AREA BOUND THAT EFFECTIVELY CREATES A LOT THROUGH THE STREET SYSTEM.
SO EVERYTHING, UM, THAT'S WITHIN THE MID-RISE SECTION INSIDE OF THE STREET BOUNDARIES ISN'T
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CA IS CALCULATED IN THE DENOMINATOR FOR THEIR DENSITY.SO BY THAT DEFINITION, EVERY MIXED USE PROPERTY IS GONNA HAVE A DENSITY ISSUE? NO, THE, WHEN GOING THROUGH THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN PROCESS, IT WAS BROUGHT UP THAT IF YOU HAVE A LARGE FLOODPLAIN ON THE SITE, THEN YOU GET KIND, THEN YOU MIGHT GET, UM, ACTUALLY FAIRLY DENSE BUILDING PRODUCT, BUT THE DENSITY WILL COUNT VERY LOW BECAUSE OF ALL THE OPEN SPACE THAT CAN COUNT.
SO THE COMMITTEE THOUGHT IT WOULD BE BEST TO, TO LIMIT THAT TO THE AREA ATTRIBUTED TO THAT BUILDING SO THAT IT WOULD BE APPLES TO APPLES AND REALLY TALKING ABOUT BUILDING FORM AND HYPE AND INTENSITY AS OPPOSED TO A DENSITY THAT CAN INCLUDE OTHER, OTHER VARIABLES, UM, IN THEIR DENOMINATOR.
UM, I THINK THAT'S ALL I HAVE FOR RIGHT NOW.
UH, ONE QUESTION, UH, IN THE EXECUTIVE SUMMARY ON THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, PAGE 14, WE TALK ABOUT, UH, MAXIMUM HOUSING SCENARIOS FOR THIS PARTICULAR, UH, AREA THAT WILL UPEND MALL AREA AND UH, IN THE CALCULATION WE TALK FOR THE NEW HOUSING UNITS, UH, 140 DETACHED 417, UH, ATTACHED SINGLE FAMILY UNITS AND 834 MULTIFAMILY.
ARE THOSE NUMBERS ACCURATE CURRENTLY OR HAS THAT NUMBER, HAVE ANY OF THOSE NUMBERS CHANGED AS IT RELATES TO THE CALCULATION FOR MAXIMUM HOUSING? THAT WAS A HYPOTHETICAL ACADEMIC EXERCISE RUN FOR THE PURPOSES OF PREPARING THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN NOTES THAT THOSE ARE NOT TO BE USED IN THE ANALYSIS OF ANY ZONING CASES.
STAFF HAS NOT UPDATED THOSE SINCE THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN WAS CREATED.
SO THEY'RE, THEY WERE REALLY JUST AN EDUCATIONAL PIECE TO EXPLAIN HOW THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN MIX OF USES WOULD WORK IN PRACTICE, ASSUMING CERTAIN VARIABLES.
THE CAPACITY ENHANCEMENTS, UM, CAUSED BY TRAFFIC AND ADDITIONAL SEWER.
THE COST FOR THOSE LIES ON WHO PAYS FOR IT.
UH, DO WE HAVE, UH, ENGINEERING STAFF? WE DO HAVE MR. CALEB, THE THORNHILL DIRECTOR OF ENGINEERING, UM, AND THE AUDIENCE, I'LL JUST ANSWER GENERALLY THAT THAT IS SOMETHING THAT WILL BE ASSESSED, UM, WITH THE NEXT ROUND.
THERE HAS TO BE A STUDY DONE TO DETERMINE EXACTLY WHAT THE EXTENT AND THE SIZE INCREASE OF WASTEWATER IS NEEDED AND THEN THROUGH THAT PROCESS, HOW CERTAIN VARIABLE THEY'RE ALLOWED UNDER EXISTING ZONING TO BUILD MORE INTENSE THAN WHAT'S ON SITE.
UM, COMPARE THAT TO WHAT'S PROPOSED WITH THE CONCEPT PLAN.
ALL THOSE GET PUT IN THE WASH TO SEE WHERE THE BALANCE IS.
AND THEN THERE'S AN ISSUE OF, UM, OF LAW REQUIREMENTS THAT WE CAN'T REQUIRE MORE THAN WHAT'S PROPORTIONAL TO THE DEVELOPMENT OF THE SITE.
AND WE CAN'T ANSWER THAT QUESTION TODAY THAT GETS WORKED OUT THROUGH THE NEGOTIATION OF THE, UM, AND THE RESULT OF THE STUDY.
UM, SECOND QUESTION, I THINK COMMISSIONER RATLIFF TOUCHED ON IT.
UM, IF WE BRING IN THE SPECIAL NEEDS HOUSING AS A, AN OPTION IN THE FUTURE, UM, DOES THAT HELP OR HURT? LEMME NOT OPINE THE, THAT MIX OF USE OF HOUSING THAT WE, WE, WE, WE TRY AND ACHIEVE IN OUR COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
DOES IT HELP, UM, THIS, THIS PARTICULAR APPLICANT, THE DIVERSITY OF HOUSING THAT IS A PART OF OUR GUIDING PRINCIPLES ESSENTIALLY? IT, IT DOES, THERE ARE, THERE'S A VERY LIMITED QUANTITY AMOUNT OF MID-RISE HOUSING.
UM, I DON'T HAVE THE EXACT PERCENTAGE, BUT I THINK IT'S IN THE SINGLE DIGITS.
SO IT CERTAINLY WOULD PROVIDE ADDITIONAL VARIETY IN HOUSING AS A, AS A GENERAL GOAL.
UM, IT DOESN'T MEET THE MIX OF USES VARIETY THAT'S SPECIFIC TO THE SUBURBAN ACTIVITY CENTER, THOUGH I WANNA BE, THEY'RE TWO DIFFERENT QUESTIONS.
UM, YOU MENTIONED THEY'RE PROPOSING, I THINK IT WAS 40 UNITS OF TOWNHOME LIKE MULTIFAMILY UNITS OF, OF LIMITED TO THREE STORIES TALL.
UM, I WAS UNABLE TO LOCATE THAT PARTICULAR PIECE OF THE DEVELOPMENT ON THE DRAWINGS THAT WE HAVE.
COULD, COULD YOU TELL ME WHERE, WHERE THAT WOULD BE LOCATED? SURE.
THEY'RE, UH, LOCATED ON LOT 15.
UH, THERE'S A, IS LOT 15 THE FAR WESTERN, UH, CORNER OF THE PROJECT.
SO IF YOU LOOK AT THE UM, BHAP BUILDING, UM, THERE IS A REC SLIM RECTANGLE NEXT TO IT ON THE
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WEST SIDE.I'M LOOKING, I'M M LOOKING AT A DRAWING THAT SAYS PROPOSED FIVE STORY MID-RISE RESIDENTIAL FOR, FOR THAT BUILDING.
HAS IT BEEN MISLABELED, HUH? YEAH.
YEAH, YEAH, IT'S, IT'S ADJACENT TO THE PARKING GARAGE.
A QUICK CLARIFICATION ON THAT.
SO THE STAFF AND THE APPLICANT WORKED THROUGH PROVIDING SINGLE FAMILY OPTIONS.
THE APPLICANT DETERMINED THAT WASN'T FEASIBLE ON THIS SIDE THROUGH OUR EHA CONCERNS TO CONSIDER AS WELL.
UM, WHAT THEY DIS WHAT THEY PROPOSED IS TO DE IS TO CREATE THIS MULTI-FAMILY THAT APPEARS TO LOOK LIKE SINGLE FAMILY FROM THE OUTSIDES.
THEY WON'T BE SUBDIVIDED INTO INDIVIDUAL LOTS, THEY WON'T BE SOLD FEE SIMPLE.
IT'LL BE OPERATED LIKE A MULTIFAMILY, UM, WITHIN A SINGLE BUILDING THAT IT'LL LOOK LIKE SINGLE FAMILY FROM THE STREET.
BUT I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE TO CLARIFY THAT THE ZONING DOES ALLOW THREE OR FOUR STORY IN THIS LOCATION.
SO THEY'RE SHOWING THREE IN THE CONCEPT PLAN, BUT IT COULD GO UP TO FOUR.
DID YOU HAVE DISCUSSIONS WITH THE APPLICANT ABOUT THE POSSIBILITY OF ONE OF THE BUILDINGS, WHICH CURRENTLY IS, UH, ONE OF THE FIVE STORY BUILDINGS FOR MULTIFAMILY? UM, BEING IN A SORT OF A, PERHAPS A, A CONDO CONFIGURATION WITH, WITH OWNER OCCUPIED UNITS RATHER THAN RENTED UNITS? WE DID NOT DISCUSS THAT FROM A ZONING PERSPECTIVE.
THEY'RE TREATED EXACTLY THE SAME, BUT IT COULD, IT'D BE A GOOD QUESTION FOR THE APPLICANT.
MR. LAW, HOW MUCH MULTIFAMILY IS SUPPORTED BY THE COMP PLAN BY RIGHT ON THE SITE DEPENDING OF HOUSING MIX? RIGHT? IT DEPENDS ON THE MIX OF USES IS BASED ON THE FULL SUBURBAN ACTIVITY CENTER, WHICH INCLUDES THE MALL SITE AND SOME OTHER ADJACENT SITES.
THEY UP TO NO MORE THAN 60% OF THE UNITS SHOULD BE MULTI-FAMILY.
THAT OTHER 40% SHOULD COME FROM DETACHED OR ATTACHED SINGLE FAMILY PRODUCTS IN THAT AREA.
SO THERE THIS WOULD BE A HUNDRED PERCENT MULTIFAMILY, WHICH IS NOT SUPPORTED BY THE COMPETENCY PLAN.
I CAN'T GIVE YOU EXACT NUMBER BECAUSE IT DEPENDS ON HOW MUCH SINGLE FAMILY HAS PROPOSED TO OFFSET IT, BUT IT SHOULD BE NO MORE THAN 60% OF WHATEVER THAT TOTAL BALANCE IS.
HOW BIG IS THAT EQUATION? YOU COULD SHOW THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN MAP.
UM, THAT'S SHOWN AS SUBURBAN ACTIVITY CENTER THE OTHER WAY.
YES, IT'S FACTORED INTO THAT AND THERE'S CURRENTLY ZERO HOUSING UNIT IN THIS AREA.
AND WHAT DETERMINES, OH, I GUESS THE COMP PLAN CREATED THAT AREA.
SO THAT'S THE AREA THAT THE EQUATION'S DONE IN.
DO YOU HAVE ANY REASON AS TO WHY THAT MAP WAS DRAWN THAT WAY? A UM, IT WAS PROPOSED THROUGH THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN REVIEW PROCESS DISCUSSED BY THE COMMITTEE AND PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION.
AND I CAN'T SAY THAT EVERY SINGLE LINE ON THAT WAS ANALYZED THOROUGHLY, BUT UM, THAT'S, THAT'S GENERALLY WHERE IT LANDED.
IT'S VERY CLOSE TO I THINK WHAT WAS, WHAT HAS HISTORICALLY BEEN SHOWN FOR THE BOUNDARIES OF THAT AREA PREVIOUSLY REGIONAL CENTER.
I THINK IN THE OLD CONFERENCE PLAN IT JUST GOT ADOPTED POTENTIALLY MOST LIKELY.
UH, HOW, HOW DID THE CITY'S OBJECTIVES, HOW, HOW ARE THEY DIFFERENT FOR THE WILLOW BEND REDEVELOPMENT VERSUS THE COL CREEK REDEVELOPMENT? IN WHAT TERMS? WELL, I MEAN IN TERMS OF REDEVELOPMENT, HOW DOES, DO THE CITY'S OBJECTIVES SEE THESE SITES THE SAME OR DIFFERENTLY? COLLIN CREEK WAS ADOPTED UNDER A DIFFERENT COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, IF I'M NOT MISTAKEN.
BUT EVEN UNDER TODAY'S COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, THERE ARE TWO DIFFERENT CATEGORIES.
SO THE WILLOW BEND MALL IS A SUBURBAN ACTIVITY CENTER, WHICH IS MEANT TO BE SLIGHTLY SMALLER SCALE.
UM, AND THEN THE COL CREEK IS URBAN ACTIVITY CENTER, WHICH IS MUCH HIGHER, MUCH MORE INTENSE.
YOUR, YOUR SHOPS AT LEGACY IS ALSO IN THE URBAN ACTIVITY CENTER.
SO THOSE TWO AREAS ARE INTENDED TO BE OUR HIGHEST INTENSITY MIXED USE AREAS.
SO THE COMP PLAN MIX DIFFERENTIATES BETWEEN CONCRETE MALL.
SO ARE THERE OTHER EXAMPLES LIKE CONCRETE MALL OR IS CONCRETE MALL JUST A ONE-OFF
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SITUATION? IT DOESN'T, IT DOESN'T LIST SPECIFIC EXAMPLE.THESE ARE THE POLICIES FOR CONCRETE MALL.
THESE ARE THE POLICIES FOR WILLOW MALL.
IT TALKS ABOUT THE, THE POLICIES FOR THESE FEATURE LAND USE CATEGORIES SO THAT, BECAUSE THEY'RE DIFFERENT CATEGORIES, THEY HAVE DIFFERENT RECOMMENDATIONS AS PART OF THEM.
SO AGAIN, URBAN ACTIVITY CENTER BEING THE COLIN CREEK MALL AREA.
UM, AND THEN THE, THE LEGACY AREA, THE SUBURBAN ACTIVITY CENTER APPLIES TO WILLOWEN MALL.
IT APPLIES TO PARK AND PRESTON, IT APPLIES TO, UH, BEACON SQUARE, I BELIEVE JUST DIFFERENT AREAS HAVE DIFFERENT LEVELS OF INTENSITY THAT ARE SUPPORTED.
SO IN THESE SUBURBAN ACTIVITIES, FOR EXAMPLE, IT'S UP TO FIVE STORIES VERSUS URBAN ACTIVITY CENTERS, WHICH WOULD BE 20 STORIES.
SUBURBAN ACTIVITY CENTERS, 50 DWELLING UNITS AN ACRE URBAN ACTIVITY IS 120, I BELIEVE.
SO DIFFERENT LEVELS OF INTENSITY ARE SUPPORTED IN EACH AREA.
SO A BETTER COMPARISON WOULD BE THE WILLA BEND MALL SITE TO ONE OF THE SITES AT LEGACY, WHETHER IT'S EAST OR WEST, NO, THE SUBURBAN ACTIVITY CENTER IS MEANT TO BE LESS INTENSE THAN THOSE AREAS PER THE CONFERENCE.
I'M SORRY, DID I MISUNDERSTAND? IS LEGACY WEST NOT ONE OF THE THINGS YOU JUST MENTIONED.
IT'S WITHIN THE URBAN ACTIVITY CENTER, WHICH IS THE MORE INTENSE CATEGORY.
SO GIMME AN EXAMPLE OF THE LESS INTENSE THAT'S SIMILAR TO THIS PARK.
AND PRESTON, THE SAME DESIGNATIONS ON THE MAP ARE PARK AND PRESTON, ALTHOUGH I DON'T THINK THAT'S QUITE YET BUILT TO THAT INTENSITY.
UM, BEACON SQUARE IS PROBABLY THE OTHER, AGAIN, IT'S FIVE STORY PRODUCTS.
THAT'S PROBABLY THE BEST COMPARABLE DEVELOPMENT.
CAN'T SAY SPECIFICALLY TO EVERY CRITERIA IN THE CONFERENCE PLAN, BUT GENERALLY SPEAKING, ONE MORE QUESTION.
LOT 13, IS THAT PARKED IN LOT SIX R? NO.
IS THERE PARKING ON THAT GOES WITH LOT 13, SORRY.
UH, COULD YOU PLEASE REPEAT YOUR QUESTION? MY RECOLLECTION IS THAT LOT SIX R IS A BIG GARAGE.
SO WE HAVE LOT 13, WHICH IS ON THE, UM, FAR WESTERN CORNER OF THE DEVELOPMENT.
AND THEN WE HAVE, UM, A BIGGER LOT THAT KIND OF CAPTURES MOST OF THE UM, ANCHOR SOURCE.
UH, MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT LOT 13 IS MULTIFAMILY.
IT IS PREDOMINANTLY AND IS THE PARK, WHERE IS THE PARKING FOR IF, IF YOU RENT ONE OF THOSE MULTIFAMILY UNITS, WHERE DO YOU PARK PARKING STRUCTURE IS WITHIN THAT BUILDING? SO YOU'LL YOU'LL SEE IN LOT 13, THAT'S THE ONE ON THE CORNER FOR THOSE.
LOOKING AT THE MAP ON THE, THE, THE LEFT SIDE OF THE PAGE ARE THE TWO.
IT'S THE RECTANGLE IN THE MIDDLE.
IT'S THE GARAGE THAT'S, IT'S A RECT IN THE MIDDLE OF THE GARAGE.
I DON'T KNOW HOW I MISSED THAT NOTE, BUT THERE IT IS.
UM, I SEE THAT THIS IS GOING TO, UH, RESCIND THE SUVS AND ALLOW PRIVATE CLUBS, UM, BY, RIGHT? CORRECT.
I'M JUST CURIOUS, UH, AROUND THE THINKING ON THE PRIVATE CLUBS BY RIGHT.
UM, WHY THAT'S IMPORTANT AND WHAT EFFECT IT MIGHT HAVE ON SURROUNDING BUSINESSES THAT AREN'T PART OF THIS NEW DEVELOPMENT.
WAS THERE DISCUSSION AROUND WHAT WAS THE STRATEGY AROUND THIS PARTICULAR MOVE? CURRENTLY THEY, UH, THEY HAVE I BELIEVE THREE OR FOUR SUVS FOR, UM, PRIVATE CLUBS.
AND, UH, WE ADDED THAT STIPULATION THAT WE RECENTLY ADOPTED AS PART OF SUP 56.
UM, HOWEVER, WITH THE DEMOLITION OF, UM, A CONSIDERABLE SECTION OF THE MALL, UM, I PERSONALLY DOUBT THAT THEY WILL BE MORE PUBLIC PRIVATE CLUBS MORE THAN THOSE SUVS.
BUT OBVIOUSLY IT IS ALLOWED BY WRIGHT.
YEAH, I GUESS THAT'D BE INTERESTING.
MAYBE THAT'S A, A QUESTION FOR THE APPLICANT, BUT I, I THINK THE PLAN HERE IS TO REALLY TURN THIS INTO A LITTLE BIT MORE EVEN OF AN ENTERTAINMENT AND, AND THERE MIGHT ACTUALLY BE MORE PRIVATE CLUBS.
SO I, I THINK IT MIGHT BE DIFFERENT THAN WHAT YOU JUST SAID BASED ON TALKING TO THESE GUYS.
IF I MIGHT ADD COMMISSIONER KERRY, I'M SORRY, BUT, UM, PRIVATE CLUBS ARE PERMITTED BY WRIGHT WITHIN OUR UMU AND OUR DOWNTOWN BUSINESS GOVERNMENT DISTRICTS, WHICH ARE THE KINDA THE ACTIVITY ENTERTAINMENT CENTERS.
SO THE IDEA WAS THAT THIS WOULD BECOME AN ENTERTAINMENT CENTER.
IT WOULD BE APPROPRIATE TO ALLOW THEM BY WRIGHT AND THE RATIONALE.
AND WHICH LEADS TO MY, MY NEXT QUESTION THEN, AND SO THERE'LL BE NO LIMIT TO THE NUMBER OF
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PRIVATE CLUBS THAT COULD BE IN THIS FACILITY, IS, I'M JUST TRYING TO MAKE SURE I UNDERSTAND.SUBJECT TO OTHER SEPARATION REQUIREMENTS OF THE CODE OF ORDINANCES, THEY HAVE SEPARATIONS FROM SCHOOLS, THINGS LIKE THAT, THAT IT WOULD HAVE TO BE CONSIDERED, I DUNNO IF THEY APPLY TO THE ADJACENT SITES, BUT IT'S SOMETHING WE WOULD LOOK AT AND IF THERE WERE ANY LIMITATIONS BASED ON THAT, WOULDN'T, IT WOULD NOT BE ALLOWED.
DO YOU, ARE YOU ANOTHER QUESTION OR I JUST HAVE A QUESTION.
THE LIMITATION REQUIREMENTS THAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT, THAT'S LIKE A SCHOOL OR A CHURCH, THOSE, THAT SORT OF THING, RIGHT? THAT'S CORRECT.
SO WE DON'T EXPECT THAT THERE'S GONNA BE SCHOOLS OR CHURCHES OR ANYTHING THAT'S GONNA LIMIT A PRIVATE CLUB WITHIN THIS DEVELOPMENT, NOT WITHIN THIS SIDE, BUT IT WOULD ALSO APPLY TO ADJACENT PROPERTIES WHICH COULDN'T DEVELOP WITH SCHOOLS, CHURCHES CERTAINLY.
BUT IF THEY GO FIRST AND THEN A SCHOOL COMES IN, IT'S NOT GONNA APPLY RETROACTIVELY.
IT WOULD BE TO A AND THEN WHEN A PRIVATE CLUB IS PROPOSED, WE LOOK AT WHAT'S ON THE GROUND AT THAT TIME, RIGHT? THAT'S RIGHT.
UM, COULD YOU, COULD YOU, WOW, UH, MR. RATLIFF, I TOLD YOU I MIGHT HAVE AN EXTRA QUESTION AT THE END, SO I HAVE ONE MORE QUESTION.
I HAVE SOME TOO, BUT I I'M WANTING TO GO AHEAD.
UM, UH, ONE, ONE FOLLOW UP QUESTION, JUST LOOKING AT, LOOKING AT YOUR REPORT UNDER MIX OF USES, UM, THE LAND USE MIX RIGHT NOW, THERE'S, LIKE YOU SAID, THERE'S ZERO HOUSING THERE.
SO PROVIDING HOUSING IN THIS DEVELOPMENT ACTUALLY MOVES US CLOSER TO THE DESIRED MIX OF USES.
THIS MOVES US CLOSER TO THE DESIRED MIX OF USES FOR RETAIL OFFICE, INDUSTRIAL, ET CETERA, THAN IT IS TODAY.
THAT'S, SO WE'RE ACHIEVING THE, THIS WOULD ACHIEVE THE GOALS OF THE MASTER PLAN.
THE ONE IT DOESN'T ACHIEVE IS THE MIX OF HOUSING THAT, AM I READING THAT ALL CORRECTLY? THAT'S CORRECT.
UM, AN OVERALL LAND USE MIX, AN EMPLOYMENT MIX IN A HOUSING MIX.
IT DOES NOT COMPLY WITH THE HOUSING MIX, WHICH IS THE BREAKUP OF ATTACHED SINGLE FAMILY, DETACHED, SINGLE FAMILY AND MULTI-FAMILY TYPE USES.
AS FAR AS THE ADDITION OF HOUSING THAT IS MOVING US CLOSER TO THE LAND USE THE, THE PLAN THAT WAS, THAT WAS DESIRED IN THIS AREA? THAT'S CORRECT.
OH, MR. BROSKY, I THINK YOU WERE UP THERE.
SO I JUST HAD, AND I'M NOT SURE HOW TO, SO MY QUESTION IS, UM, BECAUSE RELIGIOUS FACILITIES, UH, ARE ALLOWED TO BE IN ANY ZONING AREA, THERE COULD BE, UH, RELIGIOUS FACILITIES IN THIS AT SOME POINT, IS THAT CORRECT? CERTAINLY COULD BE, YES.
COULD YOU GO TO PAGE 61? SO FORWARD FOUR PAGES.
IT SAYS ON HERE, EARLIER IN YOUR PRESENTATION YOU SAID ALL THE RESIDENTIAL WAS OUTSIDE EHA ONE AND TWO, AND THEN RIGHT HERE IT SAYS SINGLE FAMILY WAS RECOMMENDED, EHA AREA WAS A CONCERN.
SO CAN YOU KIND OF CLARIFY THAT FOR ME? ARE YOU SAYING THAT IF YOU WENT SINGLE FAMILY, THEN EHA AREA WAS A CONCERN, BUT BECAUSE THEY'RE NOT DOING SINGLE FAMILY, IT'S NOT A CONCERN.
SO ESSENTIALLY THEY'RE NOT ABLE TO PUT ANY RESIDENTIAL IN THE AREA THAT IS WITHIN THAT EHA.
SO THAT WILL PUT A CONSTRAINT ON THE APPLICANT.
THE, THE APPLICANT HAD PROPOSED AT ONE POINT ALLOWING SINGLE FAMILY AT ANOTHER PART OF THE PROPERTY, AND THAT WAS WITHIN THE EHA AND WOULD'VE REQUIRED THE STUDY.
THEY ELECTED TO TAKE THAT OUT.
UH, NEXT YOU MENTIONED THAT THE CURRENT ZONING BY WRIGHT COULD BE 20 STORY OFFICE, UH, BUILDINGS IN ON THE SITE, RIGHT? THAT IS TRUE.
HOW, UM, HOWEVER, BASED ON THE PROXIMITY TO RESIDENTIAL, THERE IS SOME TRICKLE DOWN HEIGHTS AS WELL.
SO, BUT RC CURRENTLY ALLOWS UP TO 20 STORIES WITH THOSE RESIDENTIAL AGENTS AS IN CONSIDERATIONS.
UM, CAN YOU GO TO PAGE 67? I THOUGHT EARLIER ON YOU HAD SAID THAT THERE WERE CONCERNS ABOUT THE OPEN SPACE OR MEETING THE OPEN SPACE REQUIREMENTS, BUT IT APPEARS THAT THE PLAN DOES, SO THEY ADDRESS THE CONCERNS IS THAT WHAT YOU COMPREHENSIVE PLAN REQUIRES? UH, BETWEEN 15 TO 20% OF OPEN SPACE, HOWEVER, THE APPLICANT IS PROVIDING 13%.
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OKAY.BUT, BUT REQUIREMENT SAYS 10 ACRES OF OPEN SPACE IN THE PDS STIPULATION, WE HAVE 10 ACRES AND SEVEN ACRES PUBLIC.
BUT THE OPEN, THE, OKAY, I, I, I UNDERSTAND COMPANION OPEN SPACE PLAN PROVIDES MORE THAN WHAT IS REQUIRED IN THE STIPULATION.
AND THEN LAST QUESTION WOULD BE, IF WE WANTED TO ADD THE APPLICANT ADDED FOR, OR ASKED FOR THE INCLUSION OF INDEPENDENT LIVING AS A CLASSIFICATION.
IF WE DECIDE WE WANT THIS PROJECT, BUT WE WANT TO INCLUDE SPECIAL NEEDS HOUSING AS ALSO AN ADDITIONAL, IS THAT SOMETHING WE CAN DO HERE? IS STAFF OKAY WITH US ADDING THAT AS AN ALLOWED USE OR IS THERE A PROBLEM WITH THAT? YEAH, I THINK IT'S IN YOUR DISCRETION TO DO SO.
WE WOULD PROBABLY, IF YOU WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT IT WAS PROVIDED, THEN WELL, I'M SAYING NOT, I'M NOT REQUIRING IT.
I'M JUST SAYING IF WE WANTED, IS THERE A REASON FOR US TO ADD THAT DEFINITION OR DESCRIPTION? OH, I SEE.
IF WE WANT TO GIVE THEM THE FLEXIBILITY.
I'M JUST, IT'S ALREADY BUILT IN.
IT'S ALREADY BUILT IN, SO THERE IS NO NEED FOR US TO THAT'S RIGHT.
I THINK WE'RE DONE WITH QUESTIONS FOR STAFF.
SO I'M GONNA, THE PUBLIC HEARING, SO WE HAVE THE APPLICANT HAS 15 MINUTES, AND THEN WE HAVE I THINK 17 SPEAKERS.
UH, UNLESS SOME OF YOU HAVE DECIDED NOT TO SPEAK, UM, THAT'S ALMOST AN HOUR.
IF I GIVE YOU THREE MINUTES EACH, SO WE'LL, WE'LL PROBABLY CHOP THAT TO A COUPLE OF MINUTES.
UH, IN PARTICULAR, IF YOU'RE GONNA SAY SOMETHING THAT SOMEONE ELSE HAS ALREADY SAID, YOU COULD SAY DITTO OR SOMETHING.
AND THEN AFTER EVERYONE ELSE HAS SPOKEN, THE APPLICANT WOULD HAVE AN ADDITIONAL FIVE MINUTES IF THEY WANTED TO RESPOND TO SOME OF THE COMMENTS DURING THE, UH, UH, THE PUBLIC, UH, OTHER PUBLIC COMMENTS.
SO LET'S BRING THE APPLICANT DOWN AND HEAR WHAT THEY, UH, I NEED, UH, SEE WHAT THEY HAVE TO PRESENT.
SO WE HAVE MICHAEL PLATT, WHITNEY LIVINGSTON, AND STEVE LEVIN.
WE'RE APOLOGIZING FOR PUTTING GLASSES ON.
WELL, I, I THOUGHT I COULD SEE, BUT I CAN'T.
THIS IS WHITNEY LIVINGSTON, THE PRESIDENT OF CENTENNIAL.
AND MICHAEL PLATT, OUR EXECUTIVE VICE PRESIDENT OF CENTENNIAL.
UM, I NEED SOMEONE TO DIRECT THE SLIDES.
UM, AGAIN, THANK YOU AGAIN FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO COME BEFORE YOU AND PRESENT THIS PLAN AND THE VISION THAT, THAT WE HAVE FOR, UM, THE SHOPS AT WILLOWBEND.
UM, I, FIRST I WANNA SAY I APPRECIATE VERY MUCH ALL THE WORK THAT THE CITY STAFF HAS DONE OVER THE LAST, MANY, MANY, MANY, MANY MONTHS TO, TO HELP US CRAFT, UM, THIS PLAN AND THIS VISION AND, UM, ALL THE EFFORT THAT HAS GONE INTO IT.
IN ORDER FOR US TO BE HERE TONIGHT TO BE ABLE TO PRESENT THIS PLAN, UM, I, I THINK THAT WHAT I WOULD, THE MESSAGE THAT I WOULD LIKE TO CONVEY, AND I, I, UM, HOPEFULLY CAN BE VERY SUCCINCT AT DOING THIS, UM, BUT A FEW THINGS THAT I THINK ARE VERY IMPORTANT THAT I, I HOPE WILL COME ACROSS THROUGHOUT THIS ENTIRE PROCESS.
UM, FIRST OF ALL, I'M BORN AND RAISED IN DALLAS.
UM, OUR COMPANY IS BASED IN DALLAS.
THIS PROJECT TO US IS, UM, ONE OF, UH, A DREAM, A PASSION, UM, A DESIRE TO DO SOMETHING, UH, THAT WE DO, THAT WE LOVE TO DO, UM, THAT WE HOPE WILL BRING, UM, UH, SOMETHING TO THE COMMUNITY OF PLANO THAT, UM, THAT DOESN'T EXIST, UH, TODAY AND SOMETHING THAT WE'VE DONE IN OTHER COMMUNITIES ACROSS THE COUNTRY.
WE ARE A RETAIL REAL ESTATE COMPANY.
UM, I GREW UP IN THE RETAIL BUSINESS.
MY FAMILY WAS, UH, IN THE RETAIL BUSINESS IN DALLAS-FORT WORTH.
UH, WE ARE A RETAIL REAL ESTATE COMPANY.
WE BOUGHT THIS BECAUSE IT'S A RETAIL PROJECT, UM, AND WE ARE TRYING AS HARD AS WE CAN TO FIX IT AND MAINTAIN IT AS MUCH OF A RETAIL PROJECT AS WE POSSIBLY CAN.
UH, HONESTLY, I DON'T THINK ANYONE, UM, THAT WOULD COME UP HERE NEXT, UM, CAN DO THAT.
UM, I THINK WE HAVE A SHOT AT DOING THAT TODAY.
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AND THAT'S WHAT THIS WHOLE PLAN IS ABOUT.IT IS TO MAINTAIN AS MUCH OF THE EXISTING SHOPS OF WILLOW BEND THAT WE CAN POSSIBLY MAINTAIN, UM, AND DELIVER IT IN A WAY THAT WORKS FOR THE NEXT 50 YEARS, UH, THAT IS ENGAGING, EXCITING, UH, A FABRIC OF THE COMMUNITY, AND IT DELIVERS AN EXPERIENCE THAT IT DOESN'T DELIVER TODAY AND CAN'T DELIVER UNDER ITS CURRENT SITUATION IF TO MEET SOME OF THE CONDITIONS, UM, WE JUST HAVE TO TEAR MORE OF THEM ALL DOWN.
UM, EVENTUALLY TO GET SINGLE FAMILY HOMES OR TO GET MORE OPEN SPACE, WE JUST HAVE TO TEAR MORE OF THEM ALL DOWN.
UM, WE HAVE TO KEEP TEARING IT DOWN UNTIL THE MALL IS GONE.
WE HAVE TRIED TO WORK TO CREATE WHAT THE CITY WANTS AND TO MEET WHAT THE CITY, UM, CONDITIONS ARE, BUT MAINTAIN, UH, ABOUT 800,000 SQUARE FEET OF RETAIL SPACE.
AND WHEN WE SAY RETAIL, IT'S FOOD AND BEVERAGE, IT'S SHOPPING, IT'S ENTERTAINMENT, IT IS HEALTH, WELLNESS, BEAUTY.
IT IS ALL OF THE, THE REASONS THAT PEOPLE LEAVE THEIR HOUSE TO GO OUT AND TO GO SOMEWHERE AND TO CREATE AN ENVIRONMENT WITH OPEN SPACE, UM, ACTIVATED PARKS AND AN ENVIRONMENT THAT IS WHERE PEOPLE WANT TO GO AND SPEND TIME.
THE INTRODUCTION OF RESIDENTIAL OFFICE AND HOTEL IS DONE SOLELY FOR THE BENEFIT OF THE SHOPS, THE RESTAURANTS, THE HEALTH, WELLNESS AND BEAUTY, AND EVERYTHING THAT IS EXISTING.
800,000 FEET OF RETAIL WILL NOT BE BUILT AGAIN.
UM, NO ONE WILL BUILD THAT ON A PIECE OF LAND.
UM, IT DOESN'T MAKE ANY SENSE.
TODAY YOU'LL BUILD 200,000 FEET AND 200,000 FEET IS JUST AN AMENITY FOR ALL THE RESIDENTIAL AND ALL THE OFFICE AND EVERYTHING ELSE.
YOU HAVE TO BUILD WAY MORE OF THAT HERE.
WE WANT WAY MORE RETAIL AND THE APPROPRIATE AMOUNT OF THE ALTERNATIVE USES, BUT THEY ARE THERE TO SUPPORT THE 800,000 FEET OF RETAIL.
IT MAKES IT A SEVEN DAY A WEEK, 18 HOUR A DAY ENVIRONMENT FOR THE RESTAURANTS, FOR THE SHOPS.
THAT'S WHAT THEY NEED TO SURVIVE AND BE VIABLE TODAY.
THAT'S WHY A HUNDRED PERCENT SHOPPING VENUE LIKE THE SO WELL HAVE BEEN, UNFORTUNATELY, IS TOO BIG, ISN'T SUCCESSFUL BECAUSE IT'S THREE DAYS A WEEK, THURSDAY NIGHT, FRIDAY, SATURDAY, IS WHAT, UH, A SHOPPING VENUE CREATES.
AND SO, UM, WE ARE GONNA PRESENT WHAT OUR VISION IS, BUT I, I JUST WANT TO REITERATE AS, AS FIRMLY AS I CAN, THAT WE'VE HEARD EVERYTHING THE CITY HAS SAID, WE HAVE, WE HAVE REALLY TRIED TO WORK VERY, UM, COMPLIMENTARY WITH THE CITY AND THE REQUIREMENTS.
UH, WE'RE DOING THIS AROUND THE COUNTRY.
WE KNOW WHAT WHAT WORKS, AND WE ARE HERE TO MAINTAIN THIS PROPERTY AND IT'S, UH, FORM THAT IS VIABLE.
WE DON'T WANT IT TO BE TORN DOWN.
UM, IT, IT WOULD, IT WOULD BE, UM, INCREDIBLY, UH, DISAPPOINTING TO HAVE THIS PROJECT GO AWAY.
IT IS VIABLE, AND WE'RE TRYING TO MAINTAIN IT THAT WAY.
AND THAT IS THE PRESENCE UNDER WHICH WE HAVE DEVELOPED THIS PLAN.
AND WE BELIEVE THIS PLAN CREATES A UNIQUE PROJECT, UNIQUE TO THE CITY OF DALLAS, UNIQUE TO THE CITY OF PLANO, AND SOMETHING THAT DOESN'T EXIST IN THE DFW AREA, AND SOMETHING THAT I THINK WILL ENRICH THE CITY OF PLANO, UM, FOR THE NEXT 20, 30, 40 YEARS.
SO THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR THE TIME.
AGAIN, WE APPRECIATE, UM, ALL OF YOU BEING HERE AND LISTENING, UH, TO OUR PRESENTATION.
SO, AS STEVEN MENTIONED, I'M WHITNEY LIVINGSTON, PRESIDENT OF CENTENNIAL.
I'M GONNA BRIEFLY RUN THROUGH JUST A QUICK OVER, UH, OVERVIEW OF OUR COMPANY AS WELL AS WHAT WE'VE SEEN HAPPENING IN THE MACRO MARKET OF RETAIL, AND THEN THE CURRENT STATE OF THE MALL BEFORE TURNING IT OVER TO MICHAEL TO TALK ABOUT THE DESIGNS.
SO, AS STEVEN MENTIONED, OUR COMPANY WAS FOUNDED IN 1997.
WHAT'S MOST IMPORTANT TO KNOW ABOUT CENTENNIAL IS THAT WE PRIDE OURSELVES IN BEING A LONG-TERM
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HOLDER OF AT THE ASSETS THAT WE OWN, AS WELL AS CREATING DOMINANT RETAIL CENTRIC DESTINATIONS ACROSS THE COUNTRY.WE ARE A FULLY INTEGRATED SERVICES PLATFORM THAT EMPLOYS OVER 340 PEOPLE NATIONALLY, WITH OVER 75 INDIVIDUALS BASED HERE IN THE DALLAS METROPLEX.
WE ARE A COMPANY THAT WAS ESTABLISHED, THAT ESTABLISHED AND HAS NURTURED OVER TIME WHAT WE CALL A PEOPLE AND PROPERTY FIRST CULTURE THAT HELPS US PRIORITIZE HOW WE EMPLOY OUR PEOPLE AND HOW WE OPERATE OUR ASSETS.
TODAY, OUR PORTFOLIO CONSISTS OF 35 PROPERTIES AND 15 STATES WITH NEARLY 25 MILLION SQUARE FEET ACROSS THE COUNTRY, AND 65% OF THOSE PROPERTIES ARE ENCLOSED MALLS.
CENTENNIAL, AND OUR PARTNERS ACQUIRED THE SHOPS AT WILLOW BEND IN MAY OF 2022.
AND OVER THE LAST 20 MONTHS HAVE BEEN FOCUSED ON HOW WE REVITALIZE THIS PROJECT AND DELIVER A RELEVANT RETAIL DOMINANT DESTINATION AND EXPERIENCE FOR THE FUTURE.
AS BEFORE WE DIG INTO WHITTLE BEND, SPECIFICALLY, I'D LIKE TO JUST TAKE A MOMENT AND SHARE MORE INFORMATION ON THE MALL INDUSTRY AND ITS EVOLUTION.
OVER THE LAST 10 YEARS, MALLS WERE GENERALLY BUILT WITH A VERY SPECIFIC FORMULA.
THEY WERE DEVELOPED ON LARGE PARCELS OF LAND, ANCHORED BY THREE TO FIVE DEPARTMENT STORES, AND WERE CONNECTED UNDER ONE ROOF BY SMALL SHOP RETAIL STORES, GENERALLY APPAREL AND ACCESSORY STORES.
AND IN THIS FORMAT, THEY COULD BE AS LARGE AS 1.5 MILLION SQUARE FEET, VERY SIMILAR TO THE SHOPS AT WILLOW BEND.
OVER THE LAST 10 YEARS, THE INDUSTRY HAS EXPERIENCED THE RISE OF E-COMMERCE, THE DEMISE OF THE DEPARTMENT STORE, AS WELL AS SMALL SHOP TENANT BANKRUPTCIES.
THESE TRENDS HAVE SIGNIFICANTLY CONTRIBUTED TO INCREASED VACANCY AND THE DECLINE IN MALL SALES ACROSS THE COUNTRY.
ADDITIONALLY, THERE HAS BEEN A MAJOR CHANGE IN CONSUMER PREFERENCES, AS STEVEN MENTIONED, AND THEIR INTERESTS.
CONSUMERS TODAY ARE LOOKING FOR MUCH MORE THAN JUST APPAREL SHOPPING.
THEY ARE LOOKING FOR EXPERIENCE, WHICH INCLUDES, AS STEVEN SAID, DINING, ENTERTAINMENT, HEALTH, WELLNESS, BEAUTY, LIFESTYLE, SERVICE, FITNESS, AS WELL AS APPAREL, ALL OF WHICH CAN BE COMPLIMENTED BY VIBRANT GREEN SPACES, ART, MUSIC, AND JUST, AND HIGHLY AMENITIZED VIBRANCY.
UNFORTUNATELY, THE MALLS THAT WERE BUILT FOR YESTERYEAR ARE SIMPLY TOO BIG AND CONSTRAINED BY THEIR FORTRESS STYLE INFRASTRUCTURE TO DELIVER TO THE NEEDS AND THE WANTS OF CONSUMERS TODAY.
THAT SAID, SOME HAVE A BRIGHT FUTURE.
THOSE WELL LOCATED IN COMMUNITIES LIKE THE CITY OF PLANO AND WITH STEWARDS LIKE CENTENNIAL, WHO HAVE EXPERIENCE AND ARE CAPABLE OF REIMAGINING AND DELIVERING A PROJECT RELEVANT TO ATTRACTING TODAY AND TOMORROW'S CONSUMERS AND TENANTS NOT, WILL NOT ONLY SURVIVE, BUT THEY WILL FR THRIVE FOR THE FUTURE.
THE SHOPS AT WILLOWBEND TODAY IN 2020 HAS LOST OVER 28 NATIONAL RETAILERS SINCE 2020.
THE PROJECT IS 1.5 MILLION SQUARE FEET, WHICH IS TOO BIG, AS STEVEN MENTIONED, AND HAS EXPERIENCED A STEADY DECLINE IN OCCUPANCY SALES AND TAX REVENUE TO THE CITY OF PLANO.
THIS JUST GIVES YOU AN EXAMPLE OF THE TENANTS THAT I MENTIONED THAT HAVE LEFT THE CENTER SINCE 2020.
AS YOU WILL SEE, 40 OR THE PROJECT TODAY IS OCCUPIED AT 75%, AND ONLY 41% OF THE PROJECT TODAY OF THE TENANTS HAVE A LEASE OVER ONE YEAR.
THAT CREATES INCREDIBLE RISK TO THE PROJECT INTO THE CITY OF PLANO IF NOTHING IS DONE.
WHILE WE SEE MANY SEE THIS AS THE DEMISE OF A PROJECT, CENTENNIAL SEES THIS AS THE OPPORTUNITY FOR THE FUTURE, THE OPPORTUNITY TO CREATE A VIBRANT, FULLY INTEGRATED SEVEN DAY A WEEK, 18 HOUR A DAY COMMUNITY HUB OF ENTERTAINMENT, DINING, HEALTH, WELLNESS, BEAUTY, FITNESS AND APPAREL AND ACCESSORIES FOR THE CITY OF PLANO FOR THE FUTURE.
OVER THE LAST YEAR, WE HAVE BEEN ON A LISTENING TOUR TO UNDERSTAND WHAT THIS COMMUNITY NEEDS AND WANTS, AND I'LL TURN IT OVER TO MICHAEL PLATT
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TO SHARE MORE ABOUT THAT COMMUNITY OUTREACH.YOU HAVE TWO MINUTES AND 30 SECONDS LEFT.
UH, WE'LL BE A LITTLE FLEXIBLE.
UH, SO ON THE SCREEN HERE TODAY, UH, JUST A LITTLE EXAMPLE OF THE LISTENING TOUR THAT WHITNEY MENTIONED.
UH, WE'VE REACHED OUT TO THE HOA GROUPS THAT'S SURROUNDING THE PROPERTY.
WE HOSTED A COMMUNITY OPEN HOUSE, UH, ON THE PROPERTY, UH, IN THE SUMMER OR KIND OF EARLY FALL.
AND THEN WE SPENT, UH, THE MONTH OF DECEMBER IN THE COMMUNITY ROOM.
AND ACTUALLY, WHITNEY AND I HAVE SPENT QUITE A NUMBER OF HOURS THERE, UH, MEETING SOME GREAT PEOPLE IN THE COMMUNITY, HEARING THEIR FEEDBACK, AND REALLY SORT OF UNDERSTANDING AND REALLY TELLING THE STORY ABOUT NOT JUST WHAT WE WANNA DO, BUT WHY, WHICH IS WHAT YOU'VE HEARD FROM STEVEN AND WHITNEY, UH, EARLIER IN THE PRESENTATION.
UM, THE PLAN TODAY, AS IT, AS IT SITS, UH, I THINK WE'RE ALL FAIRLY FAMILIAR WITH THIS, UH, RIGHT ON THE RIGHT ON THE TOLLWAY JUST NORTH OF THE GEORGE BUSH, UH, TOLLWAY, UH, A FABULOUS PIECE OF REAL ESTATE.
IT HAS, UH, MORPHED IN ALREADY IN ITS PRIOR OWNERSHIP WITH THE SAX DEMISE AND WITH THE LORD AND TAYLOR DEMISE AND THE, AND THOSE USES COMING IN, UH, TO REPLACE ON THE RESTAURANT DISTRICT IN THE CASE OF SACKS, UH, EQUINOX AND CREIGHTON BARREL.
IN THE CASE OF LO OF LORD AND TAYLOR.
THE ADDITION OF CRAYOLA ALL SPEAKS VERY MUCH TO THE DINING, ENTERTAINING HEALTH, WELLNESS, AND EXPERIENTIAL QUALITIES THAT YOU'VE HEARD STEVEN AND WHITNEY SPEAK OF EARLIER.
WHAT HAS NOT BEEN ADDRESSED IS THE SMALL SHOP SPACE THAT RUNS FROM MACY'S BY NEIMAN'S AND ONTO DILLARD'S.
AND THIS PLAN ATTEMPTS TO ADDRESS THAT IN, IN A WAY THAT, UH, WE THINK IS RELEVANT AND WILL MAKE THIS CENTER RELEVANT FOR THE GOING, UH, FOR THE NEXT, UH, 20 TO 30 YEARS.
UH, THIS, THIS SLIDE JUST TALKS ABOUT WHAT WE LOOK TO, UH, TO DEMOLISH OR WHAT WE CALL RIGHT SIZE, THE REAL ESTATE, UH, BASED ON THE CURRENT TRENDS IN, IN THE INDUSTRY.
UH, AND THEN WE WOULD TAKE THAT REAL ESTATE AND REDEPLOY IT IN A WAY THAT THAT IS MUCH MORE VIBRANT, MUCH MORE RELEVANT, I THINK MUCH MORE SYNERGISTIC TO THE WAY PEOPLE SHOP, TO CONSUMER TRENDS, UH, TO RETAILER DESIRES, UH, AND REALLY AS A GREAT HUB FOR THE COMMUNITY.
AS YOU HEARD WHITNEY MENTION, I APOLOGIZE FOR GOING QUICKLY.
THIS IS, UH, THE, THE, THE PLANS, UH, YOU SEE THAT THE, UH, THE KIND OF YELLOW OR OCHRE COLOR THERE IS THE RESIDENTIAL.
WE'VE KEPT THAT OUTSIDE THE EHA LINE AS YOU, AS YOU HEARD MENTIONED, UH, BY PLANNING STAFF, UH, THE GREAT NEW OUTDOOR SHOPPING STREET THAT WE LOOK TO CREATE.
I'M GONNA CONTINUE TALKING AND PRESSING BUTTONS.
UH, A GREAT, UH, A GREAT SORT OF MORE EYE LEVEL VIEW HERE.
A HIGHLY AMENITIZED GROUND PLANE, LOTS OF GREAT RETAIL AND OFFERING THAT WOULD COMPLIMENT THE ENCLOSED RETAIL WITH, WITH AN EXTERIOR FACING KIND OF HIGH STREET RETAIL.
YOU SEE THE MIX OF USES HERE WITH RESIDENTIAL KIND OF IN THE FOREGROUND ON THE LEFT AND THE OFFICE BUILDING A LITTLE BIT FURTHER, UH, KIND OF MORE IN THE BACKGROUND.
THIS IS A LOOK FROM THE EXISTING RESTAURANT DISTRICT, UH, EXISTING TENANCY.
WE'VE GOT SOME GREAT TENANTS THERE IN KNIFE AND MEXICAN BAR COMPANY AND TERRA AND IN WHISTLE BRITCHES REALLY LOOKING TO COMPLIMENT THEM WITH, UH, UH, UH, OTHER DINING AND CUISINE OPTIONS THAT ARE NO, THAT ARE NOT THERE CURRENTLY IN SOME OF THE VACANT SPACE.
AND ON THE END CAP THERE, YOU SEE THE HOTEL ALONG THE TOLLWAY 23 SECONDS.
UH, A LOOK BACK FROM THE, UH, FROM STANDING NOW WITH OUR BACK TO THE TOLLWAY, LOOKING INTO THE PROJECT IN THAT SAME RESTAURANT DISTRICT, AGAIN, A GREAT AMENITY THAT THAT IS STARTING TO, TO REALLY GEL HERE, AND WE CAN, WE CAN ENHANCE IT AND MAKE IT EVEN BETTER.
YOU SEE THE OFFICE BUILDING FULLY INTEGRATED, A REALLY GREAT WALKABLE, INTEGRATED, HIGHLY AMENITIZED, UH, OFFICE, UH, OPPORTUNITY THERE.
IT REALLY COMPLIMENTS THE, UH, THE MIX OF USES ON THE SITE.
AND FINALLY, I LOOK DOWN THAT NEW SHOPPING STREET, UH, TOWARDS DILLARD'S STANDING KIND OF REALLY WHAT IS THE CENTER CORD OF NEIMANS TODAY, LOOKING DOWN A WING THAT HAS UNFORTUNATELY GOT MORE VACANCY THAN ANY OF US WOULD LIKE, BUT IN THE FUTURE WOULD LOOK POTENTIALLY LIKE THIS WITH, UH, GREAT OUTDOOR DINING, HIGHLY AMENITIZED, WALKABLE, INTEGRATED, AND I THINK A VERY VIBRANT PLACE TO, TO REALLY CREATE MEMORIES.
UM, A LITTLE LOOK AT THE NEW FRONT DOOR.
UH, THIS WOULD BE AT THE CENTER COURT FOR, FOR WHERE NEIMAN'S IS TODAY.
SO WHERE WE, THE MALL BECOMES RIGHT SIZE OR IN THE OUTDOOR PORTION OF IT.
CLEARLY HERE IN THIS VIEW, LOOKING BACK TOWARDS THE ENCLOSED PORTION, A GREAT NEW FRONT DOOR FOR WILLOWBEND, A GREAT NEW GREEN SPACE.
WE HOST EVENTS, UH, CONCERTS IN THE PARK, FESTIVALS, ET CETERA.
THERE ALL SORTS OF GREAT, UH, OPPORTUNITIES TO, TO HIGHLY AMENITIZE THAT, THAT GREEN SPACE, UH, AN OPPORTUNITY THAT WE DON'T HAVE TODAY.
IT JUST WALKS YOU THROUGH ALL THIS, IT'S TWO MINUTES.
I APOLOGIZE FOR GOING OVER THIS.
SORT OF SUM IT ALL UP IN EVERYTHING YOU JUST HEARD, UM, REALLY PLAYING WITH SOME BRANDING IDEAS.
HERE'S THE NEW FRONT DOOR, THE GREEN SPACE RIGHT AT THE FRONT DOOR, THAT GREAT SHOPPING STREET, UH, OFFICE BUILDING IN THE FOREGROUND PHASE OF THE MULTI-FAMILY IN THE BACKGROUND.
THERE'S THE RESTAURANT DISTRICT THERE ON THE, ON THE LEFT, YOU KIND OF, SO THEN I LIKE KIND OF SLIDE DOWN HERE INTO THE, UH, INTO THE SHOPPING STREET.
AND THIS IS REALLY WHAT WILLOW BEND DOESN'T OFFER TODAY, AND
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WHAT THE CONSUMER, UH, CONSUMER DESIRES REALLY, UH, REALLY LEAN TOWARDS.SO THE OUTDOOR SHOPPING STREET, UH, OPPORTUNITY TO BRING IN RETAILERS THAT WE COULD NOT BRING IN ITS CURRENT, UH, CURRENT FORM, AND REALLY COMPLIMENTING EXISTING PARTS OF WILLOW BAND WITH NEW, AND CREATING SOMETHING HERE THAT IS VERY, VERY SPECIAL, VERY UNIQUE.
AND, UH, I THINK SOMETHING THAT PLANO WOULD BE VERY PROUD OF.
THERE'S THAT NEW FRONT DOOR, A LITTLE CONNECTION FROM THE SHOPPING STREET OUT TO THE EXISTING RESTAURANT DISTRICT, AND ULTIMATELY SOMETHING WE HOPE THE COMMUNITY OF PLANO WOULD EMBRACE AND BE VERY PROUD OF.
AND, UH, I CERTAINLY KNOW THAT OUR COMPANY WOULD BE VERY PROUD TO CREATE THIS AND, AND BE IN PARTNERSHIP WITH THE CITY OF PLANO FOR A PROPERTY LIKE THE NEW WILL EVENT.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH, AND THANK YOU FOR INDULGING ME FOR A FEW EXTRA MINUTES.
YOU'RE, YOU'RE VERY EFFICIENT.
HE'S GOT, HE'S GOT PREPARED LEASES THERE WITH LITTLE SIGN HERES FOR EVERYBODY THAT WANTS TO RUN A SPACE.
SO HE, HE DEFINITELY LOOKS READY TO GO
UM, SO WHAT WE'RE GONNA DO IS WE'RE GONNA BRING OUR OTHER SPEAKERS UP, AND ONCE WE GET THROUGH THE SPEAKERS, WE'LL HAVE THE APPLICANT COME BACK UP.
THEY'LL HAVE A CHANCE TO RESPOND TO ANY COMMENTS THAT WERE MADE, AND THEN WE CAN ASK OUR QUESTIONS.
EVERYBODY GOOD WITH THAT? VERY GOOD.
SO AS SHE CALLS YOUR NAME, IF YOU'RE READY TO SPEAK, UH, OR YOU'RE ON THE LIST OF SPEAKERS, PLEASE COME DOWN TO THE FRONT SO WE CAN MOVE QUICKLY THROUGH, KEEP YOUR COMMENTS TO A COUPLE OF MINUTES AND, UH, WE'LL, WE'LL TRY TO RUN THROUGH 'EM ALL, UH, AS QUICKLY AS WE CAN.
SOME PEOPLE ARE PROBABLY GOING AS STATED.
WE THINK SOME HAVE CHOSEN NOT TO SPEAK.
SO I WILL KEEP THOSE NAMES TO THE END.
WE'LL GIVE THE ONES THAT HAVE REGISTERED A CHANCE.
UM, FIRST I NEED, UH, DARREL AUGH AND THEN ANDREW GLR AND DR.
GOOD EVENING, NAME AND ADDRESS.
AND, UH, TO THE GOOD EVENING, TO THE HONORABLE MEMBERS OF THE PLANO PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION.
THANK YOU FOR YOUR SERVICE TO THE CITIZENS OF PLANO, AND THANK YOU FOR YOUR VERY DETAILED EFFORT IN EXAMINING THIS PARTICULAR ISSUE.
I'M A PROUD RESIDENT OF PLANO, LIVING AT 3 2 0 8 O HOLLOW, PLANO, TEXAS 7 5 0 9 3.
AND LIKE ALL OF YOU, I SERVE AS A VOLUNTEER IN MY CASE, UH, FOR THE AS CHIEF EXECUTIVE OFFICER FOR THE NONPROFIT NORTH TEXAS PERFORMING ARTS, THE LARGEST NONPROFIT CHILDREN'S THEATER IN THE COUNTRY.
AND PLANOS OLDEST THEATER COMPANY, NTPA, WAS BUILT ON THE FOUNDATION CREATED BY THE FOUNDER OF THE PLANO CHILDREN'S THEATER, SARAH AKERS, WHO WAS PRESENT HERE TONIGHT, AND I SPEAK ON BEHALF OF HER ON THAT.
OF 11,000 YOUTH WHO PARTICIPATED ANNUALLY IN OUR PROGRAMS LAST YEAR, THE 100,000 PATRONS WHO ATTEND OUR SHOWS, THE 300,000 VISITS THAT CAME TO THE SHOPS OF WILL HAVE BEEN THIS PAST YEAR, AND ARE 160 DEDICATED MEMBERS OF OUR BOARD OF DIRECTORS AND THOUSANDS OF MEMBERS AND VOLUNTEERS WHO GIVE THEIR TIME AND ENERGY TO OUR CAUSE.
OUR 25 MEMBER GOVERNING BOARD OF DIRECTORS HAS AUTHORIZED ME TO EXPRESS OUR COLLECTIVE SUPPORT FOR ITEMS EIGHT A AND EIGHT B, AND ASK FOR YOUR APPROVAL OF THE REZONING REQUEST FOR THE SHOPS AT WILLOW BEND MALL.
FROM THE OUTSET, NTP HAS BEEN A STAUNCH ADVOCATE FOR PROGRESS AND DEVELOPMENT OF THIS REGION, PARTICULARLY AS REGARDS TO THE SHOPS AT WILLOW BEND MALL.
WE'VE SEEN THE PROPOSED CHANGES, NOT JUST AS A REDEVELOPMENT, BUT AS A PIVOTAL STEP TOWARDS A BRIGHTER FUTURE FOR PLANO.
I'M PLEASED TO LET YOU KNOW THAT AFTER CAREFUL DELIBERATION AND MANY HOURS OF COLLABORATIVE WORK WITH OUR FRIENDS AT CENTENNIAL, WE'VE REACHED AGREEMENT TO MAKE THE SHOPS OF WILLOW BEND THE HOME OF THE NORTH TEXAS PERFORMING ARTS FOR THE NEXT DECADE, KEEPING THE LARGEST YOUTH THEATER IN THE COUNTRY AT HOME, IN ITS HOME HERE IN PLANO.
WITH YOUR APPROVAL OF THIS REZONING REQUEST, IN MAKING THIS DECISION, WE BELIEVED WE ARE DOING WHAT IS BEST FOR NTPA, WHAT'S BEST FOR THIS, FOR THIS PROPERTY,
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AND WHAT'S BEST FOR THE CITY OF PLANO.THE COMPROMISE WE STRUCK DOES COME WITH SOME CHALLENGES AND SOME COSTS.
WE'RE GONNA BE GOING THROUGH A DISRUPTIVE AND DIFFICULT RECONSTRUCTION, AND WE WILL BE MOVED AS PART OF THE RECONSTRUCTION YOU JUST HEARD ABOUT.
WE'LL BE SEEKING SUPPLEMENTAL FUNDING TO AFFORD INCREASED OPERATING COSTS IN THIS NEW FACILITY, AND WE MAY BE SHOULDERING A PORTION OF THE REBUILD IN THE MOVE THROUGH A COLLABORATIVE COST SHARING MODEL WE'VE AGREED TO.
IN THE END, WE'VE CONCLUDED THAT THE BEST THING FOR THE CITY OF PLANO, THE BEST THINGS FOR THIS PROPERTY IN THE LONG RUN.
THE BEST FOR THING FOR THE NORTH TEXAS PERFORMING ARTS IS THAT WE STAND IN PROGRESS AND IN SUPPORT OF THIS EXCITING NEW COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT.
I'VE LIVED WITHIN A MILE THIS MALL SINCE IT OPENED 25 YEARS AGO.
I'VE WITNESSED THE MALL'S EVOLUTION, AND I CAN ATTEST TO THE CHALLENGES OF ITS CURRENT STRUCTURE.
I'VE ALSO BEEN ON SITE ALMOST EVERY DAY FOR SEVEN YEARS, AND I CAN TELL YOU, SIR, THAT I'VE WATCHED THE TRAFFIC PATTERNS AND BELIEVE THIS IS THE BEST USE FOR THIS FACILITY AND THE BEST USE FOR THIS PROPERTY.
THANK YOU FOR YOUR SUPPORT OF THIS PROJECT.
WHILE MR. UM, GLICK MAKES HIS WAY TO THE PODIUM, IF WE CAN HAVE CYNTHIA PADDEN, MERRILL EVANS AND GEORGE ST.
HONORABLE MEMBERS OF THE PLANO PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION.
MY NAME IS ANDREW GICKER, AND I HAVE THE PRIVILEGE OF CALLING PLANO MY HOME FOR THE PAST 16 YEARS CONSECUTIVELY.
AND THEN WHEN I ADD ON ANOTHER 11 PRIOR STINT TOTAL OF 27 YEARS IN PLANO, I HAVE TWO DAUGHTERS THAT HAVE GRADUATED OR ARE GRADUATING PLANO.
I, MYSELF, I'M A GRADUATE OF PLANO SENIOR HIGH.
IN THE INTEREST OF YOUR TIME, I'M NOT GONNA READ THROUGH ALL MY PREPARED REMARKS.
I'M JUST HERE TO SAY I LIVE AT 59 12 GENOA COURT, 7 5 0 9 3.
THAT'S ABOUT A QUARTER OF A MILE AWAY FROM THE SHOPS OF WILLOWBEND.
I'M VERY MUCH IN FAVOR OF, OF THE PROPOSED REDEVELOPMENT.
I THINK THAT IS VERY MUCH WHAT THE, THE SHOPS WILLOWBEND NEEDS.
AND A BIG CONCERN IS, IS THAT IT, IT EVENTUALLY TURNS INTO WHAT COL CREEK MALL USED TO BE.
AND I'D ALSO LIKE TO SAY THAT I AM VERY, UH, GRATEFUL TO THE APPLICANT FOR THE, UH, AGREEMENT THEY'VE REACHED WITH THE NORTH TEXAS PERFORMING ARTS TO KEEP THE ARTS HERE NEARBY.
THANK YOU ALL VERY MUCH FOR YOUR TIME.
HI, MY NAME IS CYNTHIA PAYDEN.
I LIVE AT 4 0 1 6 SAHARA COURT, CARROLLTON, TEXAS 7 5 0 1 OH, HONORABLE MEMBERS OF THE PLANO AND ZONING COMMISSION.
I'M THE VICE CHAIRPERSON OF THE BOARD OF NORTH TEXAS PERFORMING ARTS OF FRISCO.
ALTHOUGH I DON'T RESIDE IN PLANO, I LIVE ABOUT THREE MILES AWAY FROM
I COME BEFORE YOU TODAY TO REPRESENT NOT ONLY MYSELF, BUT ALSO THE NEARLY A THOUSAND FRISCO COMMUNITY MEMBERS WHO REGULARLY VISIT PLANO.
WE ENGAGE DEEPLY WITH THE CULTURAL OFFERINGS OF THE WILLOWBEND CENTER OF THE ARTS, LOCATED CURRENTLY WITHIN THE SHOPS AT WILLOWBEND.
THIS YEAR ALONE, WE ARE PROUD TO PRODUCE ALMOST 40 PRODUCTIONS IN THESE THEATERS, ATTRACTING SIGNIFICANT PA SIGNIFICANT PATRONAGE.
THIS FACILITY IS A CULTURAL ARTERY FOR OUR REGION, DRAWING APPROXIMATELY 40,000 TICKETED PATRONS FROM FRISCO AND SURROUNDING AREAS TO PLANO.
THESE VISITORS COME TO ENJOY SHOWS ON PLANO STAGES, SIGNIFICANTLY CONTRIBUTING TO THE CITY'S CULTURAL AND ECONOMIC VIBRANCY.
FURTHERMORE, I SPEAK ON BEHALF OF MY COLLEAGUE CHRIS MOSLEY, CHAIRPERSON OF THE BOARD OF DIRECTORS FOR NTPA DALLAS.
THEIR DALLAS OPERATIONS ALSO UTILIZE THIS SPACE, ARE SET TO PRODUCE NEARLY 30 PRODUCTIONS IN 2024.
THIS WILL BRING AN ADDITIONAL 30,000 PATRONS FROM DALLAS AND BEYOND FURTHER ENRICHING PLANOS CULTURAL LANDSCAPE.
THE IMPACT OF THESE VISITORS EXTEND BEYOND THE ARTS.
THEY FREQUENT PLANOS GROCERY STORES, GAS STATIONS, RESTAURANTS, AND CONTRIBUTE TO THE LOCAL ECONOMY BY SPENDING THEIR TIME AND MONEY IN THE STUDY.
THE RIPPLE EFFECT OF THEIR PRESENCE IS A TESTAMENT TO THE INTERCONNECTEDNESS OF OUR COMMUNITIES AND THE IMPORTANCE OF CULTURAL HUBS LIKE THE WILLOW BEND CENTER OF THE ARTS.
LIKE THE OTHERS SAID BEFORE ME, WE SUPPORT, UM, THIS REZONING.
THANK YOU HONOR A MEMBER OF THE PLANO P AND D COMMISSION.
MY NAME IS MAYOR EVAN, AND I AM PROUD TO OBSERVED IN PLANO AT WE 4 0 1 CLOCK DRIVE, 7 5 0 9 3 19 96.
AS A PERSON WHO WAS BORN PROFOUNDLY DEAF, MY LIFE PURPOSE HAS BEEN TO EDUCATE AND ADVOCATE FOR DISABILITY, INCLUSION AND ACCESSIBILITY.
I AM FORTUNATE TO DO THIS AT THE VOLUNTEER AND A PROFESSIONAL TODAY.
I'M HERE TO
THE PROGRAM IS THE BEACON OF HOPE AND OPPORTUNITY, MAKING THEATER AND INCLUSIVE SPACE FOR INDIVIDUALS WHO DO TO PHYSICAL, MENTAL, AND OR ECONOMIC CHALLENGE, MIGHT OTHERWISE
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NEVER EXPERIENCE THE TRANSFORMATIVE POWER OF THIS, THEY, AND ALSO GIVE THEM A PLATFORM TO SHINE.I'M ALSO HERE TO ADVOCATE FOR OUR STAR CASUAL THEATER TOO, AND THE AWARD-WINNING INITIATIVE THAT HAVE POSITIVELY IMPACTED THOUSANDS OF DISABLED KIDS AND ADULT WITH THERAPEUTIC DRAMA.
THE PROGRAM NOTRE CONFIDENT PRODUCTIVITY AND EMPLOYABILITY, AND INDIVIDUALS WITH THE DEVELOPMENTAL, COGNITIVE, AND OTHER OF REPRESENT OUR PIONEERING DEAF THEATER AND AWARD-WINNING PROGRAM DEDICATED TO PROVIDING EQUAL ACCESS TO THE PERFORMING ARTS FOR THE DEAF COMMUNITY, WITH PRODUCTION FOR THE DEAF BY DEATH.
ALONG WITH A SL PERFORMANCE AND CLASSIC CAMPTON WORKSHOP, WE ARE BREAKING BARRIERS.
INTRODUCING THE, INTRODUCING THE PERFORMING ARTS TO A COMMUNITY THAT HAS LONG BEEN UNDERSERVED.
THE WORLD BEEN CENTER OF THE ART HOUSE WITHIN THE WORKSHOP AT WORLD BEEN IS MORE THAN JUST THE VENUE.
IT IS THE SYMBOL OF PLANO COMMUNITY TO INCLUDE AND NER THE CENTRAL HEALTH ION PLAN ON THE VITAL HUB OF ACCESSIBILITY AND A SANCTUARY FOR THOSE WHO HAVE BEEN UP, EMPOWER, EMPOWERED ACROSS NORTH TEXAS.
IT HELPED PLAN REMAIN THE TOP STUDY INT FOR PEOPLE WITH DISABILITY FOR WATER HELP.
AND THAT IS THE PROFOUND IMPACT THIS PROGRAM HAVE ON OUR COMMUNITY.
OUR CULTURAL APPROVAL OF THE GENERAL REQUIRE PROPOSED BY THE PETITIONERS AND NTPA, THUS PRESERVE THESE VITAL PROGRAM AND CONTINUE TO ELEVATE PLAN AT THE STUDY OF EXCELLENCE AND PREMIERE DESTINATION, A PLACE WHERE DIVERSITY, INCLUSION AND US FLOURISH TOGETHER.
THANK YOU FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION AND YOUR ROLE IN SHAPING A MORE IBLE INCLUSIVE AND DYNAMIC PLANNER.
AND FOR THOSE OF YOU WHO NEED CAPTION, I WILL GIVE THAT TO YOU FOR YOUR, FOR YOUR FREEDOM.
THANK YOU SO MUCH AS, AND I'M SORRY I MADE YOU SQUEEZE THAT DOWN 'CAUSE THAT WASN'T EASY AS MR. UM, SERGIO COMES TO THE PODIUM.
I NEED BRIAN DUNN AND DAVE LOPEZ TO COME DOWN.
THANK ALL FOR HAVING, MY NAME IS GEORGE SERGIO'S, 57 31 BENT CREEK TRAIL.
I OWN KNIFE STEAKHOUSE AT THE DISTRICT THAT WE'LL HAVE BEEN.
UM, I KNOW TIME IS SHORT, SO I'LL MAKE IT QUICK.
I'M IN STRONG SUPPORT OF THIS.
MY PARTNER AND I, JOHN FIRST SIGNED WITH STARWOOD IN 2018 WITH A VERY SIMILAR PLAN.
IT NEVER HAPPENED, YOU KNOW, THAT, THAT DIDN'T WORK OUT.
I ACTUALLY SHUT DOWN FOR NINE MONTHS NOT KNOWING IF I COULD EVER REOPEN.
WHEN CENTENNIAL BOUGHT THIS, IT WAS THE BEST THING THAT EVER HAPPENED.
UH, THEY'RE A LOCAL GROUP, THEY'RE VERY SUPPORTIVE.
THEY'RE, THEY'RE EASY TO, TO TALK TO AND, AND HELPFUL.
I MEAN, WE CAN'T HAVE ANOTHER VALUE VIEW, UH, HERE IN PLANO.
I EMPLOY 40 EMPLOYEES MYSELF, AS DO THE OTHER THREE RESTAURANTS PROBABLY.
SO THIS IS SOMETHING WE'VE BEEN WAITING FOR AND SOMETHING THAT NEEDS TO HAPPEN.
I MEAN, WHY WOULD YOU NOT WANT THAT? SO PLEASE, I KNOW TIME SHORT, SO I'LL FINISH.
BUT I'M IN SUPPORT AND HOPEFULLY YOU GUYS AS WELL, THANK YOU FOR YOUR COMMENTS.
I, ONE OF THE BEST LUNCHES I'VE EVER HAD WAS AT YOUR RESTAURANT, JUST SO YOU KNOW.
UH, BRIAN DUNN FROM MEXICAN PARK COMPANY, 6 1 2 1 WEST PARK BOULEVARD.
UM, AGAIN, FOLLOWING GEORGE, WE'RE ALSO PARTNERS ON FOREMAN FILLMORE, UH, WHICH WE'RE IN FRONT OF YOU GUYS A FEW MONTHS AGO.
UM, AGAIN, THE VIDEO IS FANTASTIC.
CENTENNIAL'S A FANTASTIC GROUP.
IT'S GIVEN US HOPE, UH, BEEN THERE ON THE PROJECT, YOU KNOW, FOR THE LAST FIVE YEARS, A YEAR DURING CONSTRUCTION, WATCHING IT.
AND, UM, YOU KNOW, SEEING THE BALL WITH ITS VISION AND THEN THAT VISION FALL APART WITH STARWOOD, AND THEN OBVIOUSLY WENT INTO RECEIVERSHIP, AND THEN THAT STARTED TO FALL EVEN MORE.
AND THEN CENTENNIAL CAME IN A YEAR AND A HALF AGO AND GAVE US ALL HOPE.
AND WE'RE THERE BECAUSE OF THAT HOPE, YOU KNOW, WE WOULDN'T OTHERWISE BE THERE IF IT WASN'T FOR CENTENNIAL COMING IN THEIR VISION, WORKING WITH US, LISTENING TO US, LISTENING TO THE RESTAURANT.
WE'RE OWNER OPERATOR, WE'RE SMALL.
UM, YOU KNOW, GEORGE DIDN'T MENTIONED, HE'S NINTH STEAKHOUSE.
THE, UH, TOP FIVE TOP STEAKHOUSE.
LAST FIVE OR SEVEN YEARS, WE'VE BEEN VOTED TO TOP MEXICAN IN PLANO.
WE JUST GOT, UH, VOTED, UM, THE BEST RESTAURANT OPERATION IN PLANO, UH, DALLAS OBSERVER.
SO YOU HAVE UNIQUE CONCEPTS THERE, AND WE'RE HOPING THAT THEY'RE GONNA CONTINUE THAT.
AND WE'RE PRETTY SURE THEY ARE.
AND AS YOU CAN SEE FROM THAT DESIGN, YOU KNOW, PLANO, UH, I MEAN, WILLOW BEND OPENED THREE WEEKS BEFORE NINE 11 AND JUST NEVER RECOVERED.
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IS WHAT THIS AREA NEEDS.IT'S ON A GREAT, UH, YOU KNOW, HIGHWAY.
UM, JUST GIVEN THE OPPORTUNITY TO DO IT.
THEY'VE GOT PRIDE IN THIS PROJECT.
YOU CAN FEEL IT, YOU CAN SEE IT IN THEIR WORK.
MY FAMILY SUPPORTS IT AND MY 47 EMPLOYEES SUPPORT.
I'M DAVE LOPEZ AND I'M A RESIDENT OF PLANO, AND I'VE WALKED WILLOWBEND FOR FIVE YEARS.
I TAKE A WALK AROUND WILLOW BEND EVERY MORNING FOR FIVE YEARS.
AND I THINK THAT AS A FORMER RETAILER, I'M PART OF THE INITIAL NEIMAN MARCUS TEAM THAT OPENED WILLOW BEND.
UH, I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY OF YOU KNOW THIS, BUT WE CLOSED PRESTONWOOD MALL AND WE OPENED UP IN WILLOW BEND, AND I'M PART OF THE ORIGINAL NEIMAN MARCUS EXECUTIVE TEAM THAT SPEARHEADED THAT.
AND I'M ALSO A FORMER RESTAURANT OWNER, AND I'M ALSO, UH, A CURRENT RESIDENT AND A CURRENT CONSUMER IN THE, IN THE PLANO AREA.
SO FROM THOSE VANTAGE POINTS, I SPEAK WITH A, A GREAT DEAL OF, UH, AUTHORITY AND LOVE FOR THIS PROJECT.
UH, MR. LEVIN MENTIONED HE WANTS TO BUILD A PLACE WHERE PEOPLE WANT TO GO AND SPEND TIME, EXACTLY WHAT WE NEED IN PLANO.
AND I WOULD ADD TO THAT AND SPEND MONEY AS WELL, BECAUSE I THINK WE HAVE A GREAT CONSUMER BASE.
AND, UH, WHITNEY MENTIONED REIMAGINING.
AND I THINK THE IMAGINATION IS THE ONLY THING THAT KEEPS US FROM MAKING THIS HAPPEN.
I SEE A COMBINATION OF ALMOST A NEWPORT BEACH.
THERE'S A, THERE'S A DEVELOPMENT THERE CALLED FASHION ISLAND, WHERE FASHION ISLAND MEETS THE WEST VILLAGE OF DALLAS, WHERE I HAD A RESTAURANT IN THE WEST VILLAGE.
IT'S LIKE YOU'RE COMBINING THOSE TWO CONCEPTS AND THOSE TWO CONCEPTS.
LOTS OF PEOPLE WALKING, LOTS OF PEOPLE WATCHING, LOTS OF ENERGY.
AND I THINK ENERGY AND INFUSING THAT ENERGY INTO THE WELLOW BEND ERA WOULD BE FANTASTIC FOR PLANO.
I'M 100% SUPPORTIVE OF THIS AS A RESIDENT.
AND I THINK THIS IS A GREAT PROJECT.
I'LL READ THE REST OF THE NAMES, AND IF YOU'RE IN ATTENDANCE, IF YOU COULD RAISE YOUR HAND.
TIM CARR, BRIAN SELCO, CHRISTOPHER MOSLEY, RUTH ANN KERN, JAMIE CILLO, PAUL EVANS.
THAT CONCLUDES OUR SPEAKER LIST.
THERE WASN'T AS MANY AS I THOUGHT.
SO WAS THERE SOMEONE ELSE THAT WANTED TO SPEAK? NO.
AND THEN OF COURSE, WANT TO ASK IF THERE'S ANYBODY THAT WANNA SPEAK.
SO I WOULD SAY TO THE APPLICANT, YOU DON'T HAVE A LOT TO RESPOND TO THERE OTHER THAN THANK YOU.
BUT, UH, THERE MAY BE SOME QUESTIONS FROM THE COMMISSION.
LEMME JUST SEE THERE'S ONE QUESTION, TWO QUESTIONS.
SO, UM, WHY DON'T WE DO THIS? UM, I, I'M NOT SURE, BUT I'M THINKING MOST OF THE QUESTIONS ARE GONNA GO TO MICHAEL, PROBABLY, OR MAYBE CYNTHIA, IF MICHAEL, YOU WANTED TO COME DOWN AND, AND IF YOU GUYS WANTED TO MOVE DOWN TO THE BOTTOM ROW OR SOMETHING IN CASE IT WAS A QUESTION THAT WE NEEDED YOU FOR.
UH, BUT I'LL ASK, UH, MR. COMMISSIONER RATLIFF, UH, TO GO FIRST.
THE FLY THROUGH REALLY HELPS VISUALIZE, SO I, I APPRECIATE THAT.
WELL, I GUESS TWO QUESTIONS FOR ME.
UM, I ASKED THE STAFF THIS, BUT I'M GONNA ASK YOU AS WELL.
UH, WE, IN YOU INTENTIONALLY ADDED INDEPENDENT LIVING FACILITIES INTO THE PD LANGUAGE.
UM, IS IT Y'ALL'S INTENT THAT THERE WOULD BE INDEPENDENT LIVING AS PART OF THIS PROJECT, OR ARE YOU JUST LEAVING YOUR OPTIONS OPEN? IT'S OPTIONALITY.
WE'VE, WE'VE, WE'VE, IN OTHER PROJECTS AROUND THE COUNTRY, WE'VE LOOKED AT THAT AS A USE, AND IT CAN BE A VERY COMPLIMENTARY USE.
WE, WE DON'T HAVE A, A, A TARGETED, UH, USE, YOU KNOW, FOR THAT AT THE MOMENT, BUT IT, IT'S OPTIONALITY.
I DIDN'T KNOW IF YOU HAD ANY DEFINITE PLANS OR NOT, SO THAT ANSWERS THAT QUESTION.
UM, AND THEN SECONDLY, UM, OBVIOUSLY THE DEMOLITION HAPPENS TO HAPPEN FIRST, BUT, UM, WHAT IS YOUR PLAN FOR WHAT'S PHASE ONE LOOK LIKE? WHAT, AND WHAT'S THE TIMING OF THAT? IT'S A GREAT QUESTION.
UH, YOU KNOW, I I, IN OUR DREAM SCENARIO, I'D LOVE TO BUILD THE CORE FIRST WHERE THESE PROJECTS TO ME WORK THE BEST WHEN YOU START FROM THAT CORE AND SORT OF WORK OUT, UH, THIS ONE, BECAUSE THERE IS AN EXISTING MALL KIND OF IN, IN PLACE OF, YOU KNOW, WHERE THE CORE EXISTS TODAY.
WE WOULD START LIKELY ON THE, ON THE KIND, THE HOTEL SITE, AND THEN THAT SITE NEAREST THE, UH, ON THE WEST SIDE OF THE WEST SIDE OF THE, THE PROPERTY.
UH, THOSE WOULD LIKELY BE WHERE WE'D START, WHAT WE WOULD SORT OF BE COMING VERTICAL OUTTA THE GROUND ON THOSE TWO SITES WHILE WE'RE, UH, YOU KNOW, DEMOLISHING THAT
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KIND OF NORTH WING OF THE SHOPPING CENTER.AND THEN IMMEDIATELY ON THE HEELS ONCE WE'RE, YOU KNOW, WE'VE GOT THE PAD SITES CREATED THERE IN THE, IN THE, IN THE CORE OF THE PROPERTY, WE'D START GOING VERTICAL THERE.
YOU'D REALLY START KIND OF ON BOTH THE EAST AND THE WEST SIDES AND WORK YOUR WAY INTO THE MIDDLE SIMPLY BECAUSE OF, YOU KNOW, EXISTING KIND OF BUILDING INFRASTRUCTURE.
WE, WE WANT TO CREATE AN IMPACT AS SOON AS WE CAN.
UM, AND WE'VE, WE'VE LEARNED THIS IN OTHER PROJECTS AROUND THE COUNTRY.
AS LONG AS YOU START DOING SOMETHING, IT JUST STARTS TO, TO BECOME BELIEVABLE.
UM, AND, AND, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE START TO REALIZE, OKAY, SOMETHING IS HAPPENING.
SO, UH, THE CORE PROJECT OF, UH, REMOVING THE WING FROM DILLARD'S TO NEIMAN'S AND BUILDING THAT OUTDOOR SPACE AND ALL THAT IS THE TRANSFORMATIONAL PROJECT.
THAT'S WHAT WE'D LOVE TO START FIRST, BUT THAT TAKES TIME TO DEMO AND DO THAT.
SO WE WANT TO MAKE SURE WE'RE DOING SOMETHING.
MAY, MAYBE IT'S THE, THE RESIDENTIAL BUY NEIMAN'S, I MEAN BY, UH, MACY'S.
UH, BUT THE CORE PROJECT IS THE ONE WE WANT TO GET GOING ON AS FAST AS WE CAN.
THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER BROSKI.
THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR THE PRESENTATION.
UM, THE DESIGN THAT YOU HAVE HERE, THERE'S A SIMILAR ONE, I THINK IN AUSTIN, THE DOMAIN THE DOMAIN, YEAH, THE DOMAIN.
CAN YOU, CAN YOU JUST TELL ME A LITTLE BIT, HOW SUCCESSFUL IS THAT FOR THEM? IT'S ONE OF THE MOST SUCCESSFUL PROJECTS IN THE COUNTRY, AND SO THERE ARE A LOT OF PEOPLE MODELING AFTER THAT, CORRECT? YEAH.
THE DOMAIN IS, IS A, IT IS ONE OF THE MOST SUCCESSFUL PROJECTS.
I MEAN, YOU KNOW, IF YOU COULD, IF YOU COULD DO ANYTHING LIKE THE DOMAIN, UM, YOU, YOU WOULD, YOU WOULD CREATE ONE OF THE, THE BEST PROJECTS, YOU KNOW, IN THE COUNTRY.
I MEAN, IT'S, IT, IT'S, IT'S A SPECTACULAR PROJECT.
AND, UH, THAT'S, YOU KNOW, OBVIOUSLY, YOU KNOW, THAT WAS REALLY GROUND UP DEVELOPMENT.
THAT THAT WAS, THEY CREATED AN AMAZING PROJECT GROUND UP.
AND WHAT'S INTERESTING ABOUT THIS IS THAT THIS DOES LEND ITSELF THE VISION TO SOMETHING SIMILAR TO THE DOMAIN.
UM, AND WE, WE ONLY HOPE TO BE ABLE TO, TO REPLICATE THE SUCCESS OF WHAT THE DOMAIN HAS CREATED.
THEY'VE GOT THE HOTEL, THEY'VE GOT NEIMAN'S, THEY'VE GOT OUTDOOR, THE STREETS WITH OUTDOOR SHOPS, UM, AND ALL OF THE THINGS THAT ARE SHOWN HERE, RESIDENTIAL, EVERYTHING IS THERE.
AND THAT, THAT IS A GREAT EXAMPLE.
AND THERE'S, THERE'S, YOU KNOW, THE, THE THING ABOUT THIS AND THE THING ABOUT THE DOMAIN, THESE ARE GONNA BE THE BEST PROJECTS IN AMERICA.
THERE'S, THERE WON'T BE MANY OF 'EM.
YOU JUST, YOU CAN'T DO THAT MANY OF 'EM.
WE HOPE THAT THIS IS, UM, EQUALLY AS SUCCESSFUL AND DYNAMIC AS THE DOMAIN IS.
MY NEXT QUESTION, I THINK MAYBE MR. PLATT, UM, YOU MENTIONED, UH, ALL OF THE OUTREACH THAT YOU HAD DONE AND ALL THE LISTENING.
CAN YOU GIVE US JUST A COUPLE EXAMPLES OF HOW YOU INCORPORATED WHAT YOU WERE HEARING FROM THE CITIZENS, UH, INTO THE PLAN? YEAH, THERE'S A COUPLE OF GREAT EXAMPLES.
UH, THE OPEN SPACE IS A GREAT EXAMPLE OF THAT.
SO THE INCLUSION OF A DOG PARK THAT'S INTENDED NOT JUST FOR RESIDENTS WITHIN THE, YOU KNOW, WITHIN THE PD, BUT REALLY SURROUNDING AREA.
AND TO THAT END, WE'VE INCORPORATED A, A, UH, UH, ENHANCED SORT OF TABLE INTERSECTION, PEDESTRIAN CROSSWALK ALONG CHAPEL HILL TO CONNECT TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD, TO THE NORTH AND WEST, UH, TO MAKE THAT, YOU KNOW, KIND OF WALKABLE, MORE BIKE FRIENDLY, CROSSING CHAPEL HILL, UH, YOU KNOW, THE, WE TALKED ABOUT THE ABILITY TO HOST EVENTS ALONG THAT CENTRAL STREET.
SO ACTUALLY I DID HAVE, UM, AN OCCASION, UH, THE SECOND WEEK OF DECEMBER I PARTICIPATED IN THE FARMER'S MARKET.
IT'S HELD OUT KIND OF IN THE MACY'S PARKING LOT EVERY SATURDAY MORNING.
AND, UH, WE SAT THERE AND THREE OR FOUR OF, OF THE VENDORS THERE, AND I TALKED ABOUT HOW GREAT IT WOULD BE TO HOST THIS FARMER'S MARKET, NOT IN THE PARKING LOT, BUT ALONG THAT CENTRAL SHOPPING STREET.
AND THE ABILITY TO KIND OF CLOSE OFF THAT STREET AND HOST EVENTS ALONG THAT, THAT KIND OF PAVED AREA WAS, WAS A GREAT IDEA.
AND WE, YOU KNOW, TALKED ABOUT ALL SORTS OF OTHER EVENTS WE'D INCLUDE IN THAT, IN THAT SHOPPING STREET.
SO IF COMMUNITY HAS BEEN INCREDIBLE IN THE FEEDBACK, UH, FROM, YOU KNOW, FROM A FEEDBACK STANDPOINT, UM, YOU KNOW, THEY, ONCE MOST PEOPLE KIND OF WALK INTO THAT COMMUNITY ROOM AND REALLY TAKE THE TIME TO UNDERSTAND NOT JUST WHAT, WHICH IS ALL THE PRETTY PICTURES WE'RE DOING, BUT THE WHY, WHICH IS REALLY THAT, THAT SLIDE ABOUT YESTERDAY'S SUBURBAN MALL VERSUS TOMORROW'S DOMINANT MIXED USE DESTINATION, YOU REALLY START TO HAVE A CONVERSATION AND, UH, THEY REALLY START TO GET IT.
SO IT'S, IT'S BEEN, UH, IT'S BEEN A VERY INFORMATIVE LISTENING TOUR FOR ME, AND I HOPE THAT'S BEEN, YOU KNOW, IMPACT.
YOU KNOW, IT'S BEEN A, ACTUALLY, I KNOW IT'S BEEN A GREAT IMPACT INTO THE PLAN AS WELL.
MY LAST QUESTION, AT LEAST INITIALLY, UH, I THINK IT'S FROM MS. PILATES.
UM, ONE OF THE BIGGEST CONCERNS THAT I READ THROUGH ALL OF
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THE CITIZENS' COMMENTS, UH, WAS ABOUT CONGESTION AND TRAFFIC.BUT FROM MY UNDERSTANDING, UM, THE CURRENT TRAFFIC COUNT FOR THE WAY THE MALL IS CURRENTLY DESIGNED, IS THAT, IS IS THEIR DESIGN, UM, LESS OR MORE THAN WHAT ITS CURRENT CAPACITIES ARE DESIGNED FOR, AS IT WAS NOTED ON THE PRESENTATION.
UH, TRAFFIC IMPACT ANALYSIS, UM, REQUIRES THREE IMPROVEMENTS THAT WERE, UH, LISTED ON THE PRESENTATION.
HOWEVER, ONE OF THE, UM, DESIRED IMPROVEMENTS THAT, UM, OUR TRAFFIC ENGINEERS REALLY WANT TO SEE WAS NOT PART OF THIS DEVELOPMENT.
AND THAT IS EXPANSION OF, UM, SOUTHBOUND DALLAS PARKWAY, UH, AT THE CORNER OF PARK AND DALLAS PARKWAY, IF I'M NOT MISTAKEN.
UH, WHICH CANNOT HAPPEN WITH THIS DEVELOPMENT AS, UM, THAT EXISTING RESTAURANT IS NOT PART OF THIS REQUEST.
OTHER THAN THAT, EVERYTHING THAT WAS RECOMMENDED BY TIA CAN BE ACHIEVED OTHER THAN THAT EXTENSION.
SO, WELL, MY QUESTION IS, THE TOTAL TRIP COUNTS, ARE THERE GONNA BE MORE OR LESS TRIP COUNTS AS IT RELATED TO THE WAY THE MALL WAS ORIGINALLY DONE AS OPPOSED TO THE IT WILL BE MORE TRIP COUNTS, MORE TRIP COUNTS UNDER THEIR PROPOSAL? COMMISSIONER BROSKY, IF I COULD WE HAVE OUR TRAFFIC ENGINEER IF YOU'D LIKE TO SPEAK, IF YOU'D LIKE TO HEAR IT FROM, FROM HIM DIRECTLY, WE'RE HAPPY TO HAVE HIM COME UP AND, AND, AND ANSWER THAT QUE QUESTION OR IF, IF HELPFUL IF NOT.
UH, YEAH, I'D SURE, I'D LOVE TO.
UM, I'M AT, UH, 31 0 2 SOMERVILLE LANE IN CARROLLTON.
UM, IF IT SOUNDS LIKE THE QUESTION IS, YOU KNOW, THE WAY YOU DESIGN A SITE, UM, YOU'RE THINKING OF A, YOU KNOW, AN ORIGINAL TRAFFIC ESTIMATION.
SO YOU BUILD OUT YOUR DRIVEWAYS AND SUCH TO HANDLE A CERTAIN TRAFFIC COUNT.
UM, YOU KNOW, WHEN WE, WHEN WE DO THOSE AT THE BEGINNING OF A SITE, WE'RE ASSUMING, YOU KNOW, THAT THE SITE IS FULLY GENERATING.
SO IN THAT SENSE, THE SITE WOULD'VE BEEN BUILT TO SUPPORT FULLY FUNCTIONAL, YOU KNOW, 1.5, 1.6 MILLION SQUARE FEET.
WE ARE REDUCING, ESSENTIALLY THE, THE CAP OF TRIPS IS COMING DOWN FROM A THEORETICAL LEVEL.
YEAH, THAT WAS KIND OF WHAT I WAS TRYING TO GET AT, IS, WAS THAT NUMBER GONNA BE HIGHER OR LOWER? SO IN FACT, IT'S GONNA BE LOWER? THAT'S, THAT'S CORRECT.
YEAH, I JUST WANTED TO CLARIFY.
I THINK THE ANALYSIS, OUR ENGINEERING DEPARTMENT ASKED THEM TO GIVE TRA TRAFFIC ACCOUNTS BASED OFF WHAT IS THERE TODAY.
AND SO THAT NUMBER IS INCREASING.
YEAH, WELL, YEAH, BECAUSE THEY'RE NOT FULLY RIGHT, RIGHT, RIGHT.
BUT IF THEY WERE IN FACT, FULLY OPERATIONAL THE WAY THE MALL WAS ORIGINALLY INTENDED, I JUST WANNA CLARIFY, THE NUMBERS IN THE REPORT ARE BASED ON EXISTING CONDITIONS TODAY.
I I CERTAINLY HOPE IT'S MORE THAN IT IS TODAY,
IT'S WHAT? IT'S TODAY WE ARE IN TROUBLE.
AND MY QUESTION WAS WHEN WE WERE DESIGNING THE MALL, SO IT'S, IT'S LESS THAN WHAT IT WOULD BE IF THE MALL WAS FULLY FUNCTIONAL AND FULLY OPERATIONAL.
UH, AND PARTICULARLY WHAT YOU COULD BUILD IN TWO MORE DEPARTMENT STORES.
UM, UH, BUT IT'S LESS THAN WHAT WE ARE DOING WITH THIS PROJECT.
AND IT'S ALSO, IT'S ALSO DISTRIBUTED VERY DIFFERENTLY.
IT'S NOT JUST THAT IT'S LESS, IT'S NOT, EVERYBODY'S NOT COMING AT THE SAME TIME AND LEAVING IT THE SAME TIME.
IT'S DISTRIBUTED IN A WAY THAT IS IT, IT REALLY LESSENS THE TRAFFIC BURDEN BECAUSE PEOPLE ARE LEAVING IN THE MORNING AND PEOPLE ARE COMING BACK AT NIGHT AND THEY'RE NOT, IT'S NOT JUST SHOPPING IN AND OUT ALL DAY LONG.
MR. ALI? YEAH, I THINK YOU ANSWERED SOME OF, UH, THE QUESTIONS I HAD.
I JUST WANTED TO RECOGNIZE MS. EVANS, THANK YOU FOR YOUR WORK IN THE ACCESSIBILITY SPACE, UH, BY FAMILY.
YOU, UM, JUST WANT TO REINFORCE A POINT, YOU OWN THE WHOLE SITE.
IF WE, IF YOU WANTED TO MEET THE MIX OF VIEWS, THAT IS, I THINK THE ONE THRESHOLD, YOU'RE NOT QUITE MID IN HERE.
TECHNICALLY, YOU COULD DEMOLISH EVERYTHING AND BUILD YOUR SINGLE FAMILY HOUSES AND WHAT HAVE YOU TO MAKE THAT, BUT OBVIOUSLY THAT PROBABLY DOESN'T WORK WELL FOR THE CITY AND FOR YOUR PROJECT.
YOU IF YOU, IF WE JUST TORE THEM ALL DOWN, WE OBVIOUSLY HAVE, YOU CAN MEET, YOU KNOW, I THINK THAT'S THE, I THE WAY I LOOK AT IT IS WE HAVE COME SO CLOSE TO MEETING THE CITY'S REQUIREMENTS FOR THE SUBURBAN DISTRICT WITH 1,000,400 THOUSAND SQUARE FEET SITTING ON A PIECE OF PROPERTY.
UM, AND SO I LOOK AT IT AS WE'VE REALLY COME VERY CLOSE, RIGHT? UM, WITHOUT TEARING IT DOWN, WE DIDN'T BUY IT TO TEAR IT DOWN.
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I DON'T THINK THE CITY, I THINK THAT WOULD BE TERRIBLE, RIGHT? UH, FOR THE CITY TO HAVE, TO HAVE THIS MALL TORN DOWN.BECAUSE ULTIMATELY IT'S, YOU'LL BE TALKING ABOUT IT FOR 10 YEARS AND SOMEONE'S GONNA WANT EITHER DATA CENTERS, DISTRIBUTION CENTERS, 5,000 APARTMENT UNITS.
I MEAN, WHEN IT'S ALL VACANT LAND, NO ONE'S GOING TO PUT THERE WHAT IS THERE NOW.
AND SO YOU'RE CORRECT, WE CAN, WE CAN GET MUCH MORE GREEN SPACE IF WE KEEP TEARING DOWN MORE OF THE MALL, BUT ANYMORE YOU JUST HAVE TO TEAR THE WHOLE THING DOWN AND THEN WE'RE NOT INTERESTED.
AND, UH, THAT'S NOT, THAT'S, THAT WAS NOT OUR REASONING.
IF WE COULD LEASE IT UP THE WAY IT EXISTS TODAY, WE WOULD BE LEASING IT UP.
BUT THAT'S NOT, THAT DOESN'T WORK.
IT, YOU CAN'T, SO YOU'RE VERY CORRECT THAT, THAT JUST, YOU HAVE TO TEAR MORE DOWN IN ORDER TO CREATE, UH, SOME OF THE CONDITION THAT ONE CONDITION THAT WE CAN'T MEET.
AND THE ONLY REASON WHY I BROUGHT BRING THAT UP IS JUST TO REINFORCE THE FACT THAT THE MULTIFAMILY COMPONENT IS BY RIGHT INCLUDED IN THE SUBURBAN ACTIVITY.
AND REGARDLESS OF HOW WE VOTE, WE CAN'T NECESSARILY, FROM A LAND USE PERSPECTIVE, COMPLETELY PREVENT MULTIFAMILY IN THIS SPACE.
NOT THAT WE WANT TO, BUT JUST TO ENFORCE THAT YOU HAVE WORKED WITH THE CITY, ESSENTIALLY TO COME UP WITH SOMETHING, UM, THAT, LIKE, I, I, I SUPPORT WHAT, UH, UH, COMMISSIONER BRONSKI SAID IS GOOD, IS, IS VERY GOOD.
UM, I LOST MY TRAIN OF THOUGHT ON THIS ON THE SECOND QUESTION I WANTED TO ASK.
UH OH, CRAYOLA, THAT LOOKS LIKE IT'S A GARAGE NOW.
I MEAN, WE WOULD LOVE TO KEEP CRAYOLA, BUT WE DON'T, IF WE DON'T, THE PROBLEM WE HAVE IS THAT TIME IF WE DON'T GET GOING, WE ARE LOSING TENANTS WHO CAN'T WAIT FOR THE REDEVELOPMENT TO HAPPEN.
AND SO PART OF WHAT THE 530,000 FEET BEING DEMOLISHED IS THE MOST THAT WE WOULD DEMOLISH IF WE HAVE TO.
WE'RE NOT REALLY LOOKING TO DEMOLISH THAT MUCH IF WE CAN AVOID IT.
AND KRALL IS A TENANT WE WOULD LOVE TO HAVE, UM, YOU KNOW, A THEATER IS THERE THAT WE WOULD LOVE TO REUSE, UH, RATHER THAN JUST TEAR IT DOWN.
BUT, UM, BUT WE'VE GOTTA GET, WE CAN'T LEASE THOSE SPACES NOW BECAUSE NO ONE, WE DON'T HAVE A PATH FORWARD TO SELL TO THE TENANTS THAT WE'RE GONNA BE ABLE TO RECREATE THIS PROJECT.
AND SO UNTIL WE CAN, WE CAN'T.
SO WE'VE SHOWN YOU THE MAXIMUM, UH, THAT WE ARE, UH, ASKING FOR APPROVAL TO DO.
WE MAY NOT, WE MAY NOT TEAR THAT, TEAR THE CRAY OF BUILDING DOWN.
WE, WE DON'T REALLY WANT TO DO THAT.
AND THANK YOU FOR THE WHOLE PROJECT THAT I'M REALLY EXCITED TO HEAR THE PROJECT.
'CAUSE I, I LIVE JUST DOWN THE STREET FROM WILL BEND MALL.
WE'VE GONE THERE SO MANY TIMES.
WE'VE SEEN THE DOWNFALL OF THE RETAIL CENTER LIKE, UH, WILL BEND MALL.
IT IS SOMETHING, IT, IT IS VERY IMPORTANT FOR US TO DO SOMETHING TO REVITALIZE IT, TO BRING IT BACK TO LIFE AND TO, FOR THE RESIDENTS AND THE RETAILERS TO, TO LIVE AND THRIVE THERE.
UM, SO I AM SUPPORTED TO THE PROJECT, HOWEVER, I DO HAVE MY CONCERNS.
I HOPE THAT YOU UNDERSTAND THAT TOO, THAT WE REPRESENT THE WHOLE CITY AS A COMMITTEE, UH, TO THIS PARTICULAR PROJECT.
IT'S GREAT WHAT YOU HAVE PRESENTED, WHAT YOU HAVE BROUGHT UP, AND, BUT TO THE WHOLE CITY, WE KIND OF HAVE TO WORK WITH THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
I DON'T KNOW IF YOU UNDERSTAND THE, THE, THE PURPOSE AND THE WHOLE, UH, BACKGROUND OF THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
UH, I THINK OUR JOB IS TO KEEP THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AS A WHOLE IN THE CITY.
SO THE CHALLENGE THAT WE'RE FACING RIGHT NOW, OR AT LEAST PERSONALLY I THINK I'M FACING TO MAKE A DECISION TODAY, IS TO KIND OF BRING, YOU KNOW, HOW DO WE GAP? HOW DO WE, YOU KNOW, REDUCE THE GAP BETWEEN YOUR WONDERFUL PROJECT AND THE, UM, THE, THE DEFICIENCY FROM THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, THE, THE PART THAT YOU DIDN'T MEET THE REQUIREMENTS, RIGHT? THE MIX OF USE, THE, UM, THE INTENSITY,
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SORRY, DENSITY.AND I THINK THE MAIN POINT FROM THE STAFF MEMBERS IS THE, UH, RESIDENTIAL, UH, COMPONENTS OF THE BUILDINGS.
UM, SO WHAT HAVE YOU DONE TO, UH, AND ANALYZE THE PROJECT TO COME UP A CONCLUSION THAT ABSOLUTELY YOU CANNOT BUILD ANY RESIDENTIAL EITHER ATTACHED OR DETACHED.
I MEAN, THERE ARE LOTS OF PROJECTS IN DALLAS.
THEY'RE ATTACHED A SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENCE.
THEY, THEY BRING A LOT OF, UH, RETURNS.
I AS A, YOU KNOW, RETURN ON INVESTMENT POINT OF VIEW.
SO I DON'T KNOW, WHAT HAVE YOU DONE TO, TO, TO, TO COME TO THE CONCLUSION THAT YOU ABSOLUTELY CANNOT DO ANYTHING THAT MEET THAT GAP? SURE.
SO WE, WE'VE ACTUALLY DONE QUITE A BIT.
UH, WE ACTUALLY HAVE SPENT, I MEAN, THE PLAN YOU SEE BEFORE YOU IS ONE OF PROBABLY 40 PLANS THAT CAME BEFORE IT.
UH, NOT THE LEAST OF WHICH WE DID LOOK AT, UH, AS WAS MENTIONED EARLIER, SOME TOWN HOMES.
UH, WE ARE, I, I JUST WOULD DRAW THE COMMISSION'S ATTENTION TO THE FACT THAT HALF THIS SITE IS ENCUMBERED BY THE EHA GUIDELINES.
SO THAT DOES SORT OF KEEP US, UH, KEEP US OFF THE TOLLWAY BY ABOUT 725 FEET, I THINK WAS THE NUMBER.
OR MAYBE IT'S A LITTLE BIT LESS THAN THAT.
IT'S A LITTLE BIT OF A VARIED LINE THERE.
YOU CAN SEE THE DASH LINE ON THE PLAN.
UM, SO THAT REALLY PRECLUDED WHERE WE COULD ACTUALLY PUT RESIDENTIAL AT ALL.
UH, AND THEN, UM, IN CONJUNCTION WITH THAT, LOOKING AT, UH, KIND WHERE, WHERE THINGS WERE MADE.
SO THERE, THERE IS A SITE KIND OF IN THE UPPER RIGHT CORNER OF THAT SITE, THE VERY NORTHERNMOST SITE WHERE WE LOOKED AT, UH, A GROUP OF TOWN HOMES.
SO THAT FALLS ACTUALLY WITHIN EHA ONE, UH, GUIDELINES, WHICH IS, OR, OR EHA, SORRY, E-H-A-E-H-A ONE AREA.
UM, SO THERE ARE SOME RESTRAINTS THERE THAT REALLY PRECLUDED US FROM PUTTING RESIDENTIAL THERE.
UM, AND THEN TO USE, UH, I WANNA PIGGYBACK ON MR. BELL'S, UH, REFERENCE OF TO A FLOODPLAIN, YOU KNOW, IN, IN THE CASE OF, OF OUR SITE, FROM A DENSITY STANDPOINT AND FROM A HOUSING STANDPOINT, THE MALL IS IN FACT OUR FLOODPLAIN, RIGHT? WE'RE, WE DON'T HAVE A GREENFIELD SITE.
WE'VE GOT A PRETTY SIGNIFICANT EXISTING CENTER THAT'S 1.5 MILLION SQUARE FEET AS YOU'VE HEARD SEVERAL OF US SAY TONIGHT.
UH, AND THAT REALLY SORT OF FORCED OUR HAND IN TERMS OF NOTHING ON THE EAST SIDE OF THE SIDE, NOTHING REALLY ON THE SOUTHERN PART OF THE SIDE AS WE REALLY ENDEAVORED TO KEEP AS MUCH OF THIS RETAIL CENTER AS WE POSSIBLY COULD.
AND BEING LEFT REALLY WITH A CENTRAL CORE WHERE IT DIDN'T MAKE SENSE TO HAVE SINGLE FAMILY HOMES OR, OR EVEN SINGLE FAMILY ATTACHED HOMES IN, IN AN ENVIRONMENT WHERE WE'RE TRYING TO CREATE THAT OUTDOOR SHOPPING STREET, UH, THAT JUST DID THOSE TWO THINGS WERE REALLY IN CONFLICT WITH ONE ANOTHER.
UM, SO THERE WERE REALLY, YOU KNOW, BECAUSE OF EXISTING EHA AS YOU SEE THERE ON THE SITE, THE MALL ITSELF, UH, THE, THE DESIRE TO CREATE A, YOU KNOW, THIS RETAIL COMPONENT THAT IS NOT AN ON OFFER, A WILLOW EVENT TODAY, WE REALLY WERE VERY LIMITED IN WHERE WE COULD PLACE SOME UNITS ALONG OF, OF THE TYPE OF WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT, TO GET THAT TO THAT, UH, I THINK IT'S 40%, UH, SINGLE FAMILY.
AND EVEN IF WE DID, WE ACTUALLY DID HAVE A TOKEN NUMBER ON THERE BEFORE AND, UH, IT JUST DIDN'T MAKE SENSE.
IT FELT LIKE ALMOST AN AFTERTHOUGHT, LIKE WE WERE TRYING TO FORCE IN A TOKEN NUMBER OF HOMES.
AND ULTIMATELY WE ENDED UP WITH STAFFS, UH, KIND OF WORKING WITH STAFF WITH THIS, UH, KIND OF TOWNHOME ESQUE PRODUCT THAT WOULD, NUMBER ONE, SCREEN THE PARKING GARAGE AND I THINK MAKE A NICER ENVIRONMENT, BUT ALSO, UH, KIND OF MAKE AN EFFORT TO, TO CREATING A UNIQUE PRODUCT HERE THAT WOULD PERHAPS LOOK LIKE A SINGLE FAMILY HOME WITHOUT ACTUALLY BEING ONE.
UH, SO WE RECOGNIZED THAT DID NOT MEET THE, THE STANDARD, UH, BUT THERE WAS A SORT, A CONCERTED EFFORT TO DO SOMETHING TO ACKNOWLEDGE THE, UH, THE KIND OF MIX OF USES.
AND IT'S REALLY NOT JUST MIX OF USE, IT'S JUST THE HOUSING MIX OF USES THAT WE, UH, THAT WE DON'T ALIGN TO.
AND IF WE WERE GOING TO SAY THAT WE GIVE YOU MORE TIME TO WORK ON THIS, DO YOU THINK THERE'S ANY CHANCE YOU CAN ADD SOME COMPONENTS OF RESIDENTIAL, UM, UNITS THERE? I, I REALLY DON'T.
AGAIN, IT'S NOT, IT'S NOT SOMETHING WE ARRIVED AT EASILY, QUITE FRANKLY.
IF WE COULD HAVE, WE WOULD BE, WE WOULD BE HERE.
WE ARE, UNFORTUNATELY, WE ARE OUT OF TIME.
UM, I HATE TO SAY THAT, BUT IT, IT'S OUTTA TIME.
UM, AND, UH, WE DON'T, WE DON'T HAVE THE LUXURY AND WE ARE GENUINELY, UM, WE DON'T WANT TO DO ANYTHING THAT'S NOT GONNA BE SUCCESSFUL.
UM, THERE, THAT'S JUST NOT WHO WE ARE.
AND, UM, AND IF WE THOUGHT THERE WAS A WAY TO DO IT, UH, WE WOULD'VE DONE IT BECAUSE IT WOULD BE MUCH EASIER TO HAVE WALKED IN HERE WITH SOMETHING THAT MET ALL THE CONDITIONS AND NOT HAVE TO ASK YOU TO APPROVE SOMETHING THAT DOESN'T MEET ALL THE CONDITIONS.
SO WE'D MUCH RATHER HAVE DONE THAT, BUT WE CAN'T.
AND, UM, AND IT GOES BACK TO, UM, MR. ALI'S COMMENT THAT SOMEBODY MAY BE ABLE TO DO THAT ONCE THEY TEAR THE ENTIRE MALL DOWN.
UM, AND, AND MACY'S IS GONE, AND YOU GOTTA GET RID OF MACY'S WHO OWNS THEIR OWN SITE, AND
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NEIMAN'S OWNS THEIRS, AND DILLARD'S OWNS THEIRS.SO EVEN IF YOU TEAR THEM ALL DOWN, YOU GOTTA, SOMEBODY'S GOTTA BUY MACY'S, THEY GOTTA BUY NEIMAN'S, THEY GOTTA BUY DILLARD'S.
AND THAT'S 3, 4, 5 YEARS FROM NOW BEFORE ANYBODY CAN GET TO THE PROPERTY TO BE ABLE TO DESIGN IT EXACTLY LIKE THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
YOU COULD DO 60 ACRES, YOU COULD DO THAT.
I DON'T KNOW THAT, I'M NOT SURE THIS IS THE RIGHT ON THE TOLL.
THIS IS THE RIGHT PLACE FOR RESIDENT, FOR SINGLE FAMILY.
BUT EVEN IF IT WAS, YOU WOULD HAVE TO GET IT ALL OWNED IN ORDER TO REALLY, BECAUSE YOU NEED MACY'S APPROVAL TO BUILD SINGLE FAMILY HOMES.
NOBODY WANTS TO TAKE UP THAT MUCH SPACE FOR A FEW.
I MEAN, THESE RETAILERS DON'T WANT SINGLE FAMILY HOMES.
IT DOESN'T DO ANYTHING FOR THEM.
IT DOESN'T HELP THE, THE, THE VIBRANCY, THE ENERGY.
THEY ARE THE LIFEBLOOD OF THIS PROJECT.
AND IF WE DON'T, WE DON'T HAVE A PLAN THAT THEY SUPPORT.
AND SO, UM, I UNDERSTAND, WE UNDERSTAND AND, AND WE DON'T TAKE YOUR COMMENTS, UH, WITHOUT TREMENDOUS SINCERITY, AND WE UNDERSTAND YOU REPRESENT THE COMMUNITY.
UM, BUT MY LAST COMMENT WOULD BE, AND SOMETHING I'VE UNFORTUNATELY HAD TO USE A LOT IN THE LAST NUMBER OF YEARS IS THE, THE SAYING, DON'T LET PERFECT GET IN THE WAY OF VERY GOOD
UM, AND I THINK THAT'S WHERE, WHERE WE ARE.
WELL, I HAVE ANOTHER QUESTION REGARDING THE, I GUESS THE LOOK OF THE VIDEO.
IT'S A VERY IMPRESSIVE PRODUCT.
UM, I'VE BEEN TO THE DOMAIN IN AUSTIN.
I'VE BEEN THERE A COUPLE TIMES, AND I LOVED IT.
UH, I, IT WAS TOTALLY WORTH THE WAITING AND, UH, DRIVING AROUND TO FIND A SPOT TO GO IN THERE.
I THINK THE KEY IS TO HAVE, UM, KILLER DINING EXPERIENCE THERE.
A LOT OF PEOPLE GO THERE JUST TO, YOU KNOW, HA GO TO THAT SPECIFIC RESTAURANTS OR GO OUT THERE TO MEET WITH THEIR FRIENDS, AND I DIDN'T SEE ANY NAMES.
THAT'S KIND OF, YOU KNOW, LIKE, MAKES ME EXCITED TO, ON YOUR VIDEO.
I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S JUST, YOU KNOW, KIND OF A CONCEPT PLAN OR SOMETHING.
WE, WE CAN'T PUT NOT TO FINISH CAN THEY? DO WE, WE CAN'T PUT SOMEBODY'S NAME ON THERE, YOU KNOW, SO WE JUST, WE USE KIND OF GENERIC NAMES, BUT A HUNDRED PERCENT AGREE WITH YOU.
IT, IT'S ABOUT FOOD, BEVERAGE, DINING, THAT EXPERIENCE.
THAT IS WHAT PEOPLE REALLY GRAVITATE TO TODAY.
AND THAT'S WHY WE HAVEN'T LEASED.
WE COULD HAVE PUT A RESTAURANT OUT IN THE RESTAURANT DISTRICT, BUT IT'S NOT THE RESTAURANT THAT YOU WANT.
IT'S NOT BECAUSE THEY DON'T, WE WANT RESTAURANTS THAT WANT TO GO TO THE PLACE THAT WE'RE SHOWING YOU ON THE SCREEN, AND WE HAVE TO DO THAT.
BUT COMPLETELY AGREE WITH YOU.
I I, I CAN ASSURE YOU THIS, THIS IS, THIS IS WHAT WE DO.
THIS IS, THIS IS OUR EXPERTISE, AND IF YOU ALLOW US, WE, WE, WE WILL MEET YOUR EXPECTATIONS WITH WHAT YOU WANT.
UM, FIRST OF ALL, I WANT TO CONGRATULATE YOU AND THE NORTH TEXAS PERFORMING ARTS GROUP FOR COMING TOGETHER AND REACHING AN AGREEMENT ABOUT THE FUTURE OF THE THEATER GROUP.
UM, FIRST OF ALL, BECAUSE I THINK IT'S ALWAYS GOOD WHEN PARTIES CAN GET TOGETHER AND VOLUNTARILY RESOLVE THEIR, THEIR DIFFERENCES.
UH, BUT ALSO BECAUSE, UH, I DO APPRECIATE THE VALUE OF, UH, OF THE PERFORMING ARTS IN GENERAL AND THE DRAMATIC ARTS IN PARTICULAR.
I, IN THE PAST, I HAVE BEEN INVOLVED IN A NUMBER OF DRAMATIC, UH, UH, PRODUCTIONS IN THIS AREA.
AND, UH, IT'S, IT'S, IT'S DEAR TO MY HEART FOR THAT REASON.
AND I'M GLAD Y'ALL WERE ABLE TO WORK THAT OUT.
UM, I HAVE A QUESTION ABOUT THE OFFICE BUILDING.
UM, WE HAD ANOTHER CASE, A ZONING CASE THAT WE HEARD LAST YEAR, WHICH INVOLVED A PROPOSAL FOR MIXED USE DEVELOPMENT WITH AN OFFICE BUILDING.
THE APPLICANT IN THAT CASE WAS VERY EMPHATIC IN HIS PRESENTATION TO US THAT THE MARKET FOR OFFICE BUILDINGS RIGHT NOW IS, UH, VERY DEPRESSED.
I WAS WONDERING HOW YOU WERE PLANNING TO MAKE THE OFFICE BUILDING WORK.
I THINK IT COMES DOWN TO THE PRODUCT WE'RE, WE'RE LOOKING TO BUILD HERE.
AND, AND WHAT I WOULD SAY, AND, UH, OUR, ONE OF OUR PARTNERS IS HERE WITH US TONIGHT, AND I'VE HEARD HIM SAY, AND I'M GONNA QUOTE HIM, IS WHAT, WHAT, WHAT THE, WHAT THE OFFICE USER IS LOOKING FOR IS' CALLED A FLIGHT TO QUALITY.
AND WHAT WE'RE BUILDING HERE IS A PRODUCT THAT IS HIGHLY AMENITIZED, HIGHLY WALKABLE.
IT'S NOT THAT TRADITIONAL SUBURBAN OFFICE THAT'S IN A SEA OF PARKING, A LA A SHOPPING MALL THAT'S IN A SEA OF PARKING.
WHAT WE'RE BUILDING HERE IS A BOUTIQUE OFFICE BUILDING THAT IS, UH, SUPPORTED BY
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THE AMENITIES THAT ARE AROUND IT.UH, IT BECOMES A GREAT PLACE TO GO OUT FOR LUNCH, UH, WHEN YOU, YOU DON'T HAVE TO GET IN YOUR CAR AND DRIVE SOMEWHERE.
YOU CAN GO OUT AND THERE'S PLENTY OF OPTIONS.
YOU CAN GO OUT WITH YOUR FRIENDS FOR A DRINK AFTER WORK.
UM, YOU KNOW, YOU CAN COME IN AND GET A COFFEE IN THE MORNING FOR A, A LITTLE MID MORNING BREAK.
UH, IT'S REALLY THAT HIGHLY AMENITIZED, WALKABLE, SYNERGISTIC PRODUCT THAT IS ACTUALLY SEEING, UH, STRONG, UH, YOU KNOW, STRONG VOLUME IN THE MARKET IN TERMS OF A LEASING VELOCITY.
UH, WHAT ISN'T IS, IS, IS RESONATING, IS, AGAIN, IT'S, IT'S THE, IT'S THE SAME, IT'S THE SAME ISSUE WE'RE HAVING WITH THE SHOPPING CENTER, JUST WITH A DIFFERENT ASSET CLASS, RIGHT? JUST THAT, THAT STANDALONE SINGLE PURPOSE OFFICE BUILDING, YOU KNOW, THAT REQUIRES A VEHICULAR, UH, YOU KNOW, A VEHICULAR ACCESS.
UM, THAT'S, THAT'S LESS, LESS SUCCESSFUL.
BUT HERE, WHAT WE'RE BUILDING IS A PRODUCT THAT IS, UH, UNIQUE TO THIS MARKET.
AND, UH, WE FIRMLY BELIEVE WE'LL, WE'LL LEASE VERY WELL.
AND YEAH, I, I MEAN, JUST TO REITERATE, AND AGAIN, WE'RE NOT THE OFFICE.
WE HAVE AN OFFICE EXPERT THAT, THAT IS, IS, YOU KNOW, A PARTNER WITH US.
BUT I, I THINK, AGAIN, IT IS, UM, AS HE SAYS, I MEAN, THIS IS PROBABLY WILL BE PROBABLY THE BEST WALKABLE SITE IN ALL OF PLANO.
AND THAT, GOING BACK TO THE DINING, THAT WHERE PEOPLE WANT A OFFICE WHERE PEOPLE WANNA LIVE, UH, TODAY IS WHERE YOU CAN WALK, UH, TO GREAT RESTAURANTS AND TO GREAT CAFES AND LISTEN TO MUSIC AND SIT OUTSIDE, LUNCH, EVENING, BAR, DINNER, UH, ART WALKS.
AND THAT'S WHAT THIS PROVIDES.
AND THAT'S WHERE, UH, OFFICE IS MOST DESIRABLE.
GOTTA BUILD THE RIGHT PRODUCT.
WE'RE NOT TRYING TO BUILD MASSIVE, YOU KNOW, BUILDINGS.
IT'S, IT'S THE CULTURE OF WHAT WE WANT TO CREATE, BUT IT IS IN, IT IS WITHIN THE ENVIRONMENT AND THE QUALITY OF THE BUILDING THAT SEPARATES THIS FROM JUST ANY OTHER BUILDING, UM, THAT, THAT YOU COULD GO OUT AND BUILD TODAY OR THAT YOU WOULD GO OUT AND BUILD TODAY.
UM, MY OTHER QUESTION IS, I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'VE JUST SAID ABOUT, UM, TRYING TO WORK RESIDENTIAL, UM, OF SINGLE FAMILY ATTACHED OR DETACHED IN, INTO THE PROJECT AND THE 40 PREVIOUS, YOU KNOW, VERSIONS OF THE PLAN AND SO FORTH.
MY QUESTION IS, WOULD IT BE FEASIBLE FOR YOU TO TAKE AT LEAST ONE OF THE PROPOSED BUILDINGS AS YOU ARE CURRENTLY PROPOSING THEM, UH, THE RESIDENTIAL MULTI-FAMILY BUILDINGS, AND MAKE THEM INTO CONDOS WHERE THE, UH, UH, WHERE THE, THE UNITS ARE SOLD RATHER THAN RENTED AND THEN IDEALLY OCCUPIED BY THE OWNERS? IT WOULDN'T INVOLVE CHANGING ANY BUILDINGS OR LAYOUTS NECESSARILY, BUT IT WOULD, YOU KNOW, UM, THAT'S A MARKET DRIVEN QUE QUESTION.
UM, WE DON'T, YOU KNOW, WHAT WE HAVE DONE, UM, ACROSS THE COUNTRY AND VERY SIMILAR PROJECTS HAS BEEN, AND AGAIN, THESE ARE REALLY QUALITY, UH, RESIDENCES.
I MEAN, THESE ARE BUILT REALLY QUALITY, BUT THE, THE, THE RENTAL HAS BEEN, UH, THE PRODUCT TYPE THAT HAS, THAT HAS BEEN IN DEMAND, UH, THAT WORKS.
UM, IF, IF THERE WAS THE DEMAND FOR, FOR CONDOS, YOU KNOW, THE, THERE, THERE'S A LITTLE BIT OF A PROBLEM WITH CONDOS IN THE SENSE THAT PEOPLE BUY 'EM AND THEN THEY RENT 'EM OUT TO OTHER PEOPLE.
AND YOU, YOU KIND OF GET A DIFFERENT CULTURE THEN YOU WANT, AND YOU'VE GOTTA REALLY GET INTO THE WHOLE HOMEOWNERS ASSOCIATION.
AND IT, IT'S A PRODUCT TYPE THAT KIND OF IS ITS OWN BEAST.
AND, UM, IT'S NOT AS PREVALENT IN A, IN AN ENVIRONMENT LIKE THIS BECAUSE OF THE DIFFERENT ISSUES THAT IT, IT DOES HAVE.
AND YOU HAVE TO HAVE REALLY TIGHT CONTROLS OVER THAT, RENTING IT OUT.
AND PEOPLE DON'T REALLY FOLLOW THOSE RULES VERY MUCH, AND THEY BUY 'EM FOR INVESTMENT AND THEN THEY RENT 'EM.
AND THEN YOU HAVE PEOPLE THAT LIVING NEXT DOOR TO SOMEONE THAT YOU KNOW, ISN'T REALLY, DOESN'T OWN THE PROJECT AND ALL THAT.
SO IT, IT'S, IT, I WOULDN'T SAY ABSOLUTELY NOT, WE WOULDN'T DO IT, BUT IT'S NOT WHAT WE BELIEVE TODAY IS THE PRODUCT THAT REALLY DELIVERS THE EXPERIENCE.
OUR, OUR OVERARCHING CONCERN IS DOING THIS RIGHT.
SO THAT THE, THAT OBVIOUSLY EVERYTHING WE INVEST MAKES SENSE FROM A FINANCIAL STANDPOINT.
AND WHAT THE CITY OF PLANO GETS IS A PROJECT THAT IS HIGH, THAT IS DOMAIN LIKE, THAT IS SUCCESSFUL, THAT EVERYBODY GOES TO, THAT THEY WANT TO GO TO, AND THAT LIVES ON FOR YEARS AND YEARS AND YEARS.
AND THERE IS KIND OF A WAY IN WHICH YOU CAN TRY TO BRING THAT TOGETHER AND THINGS THAT
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MAKE IT WORK WELL.AND, AND SO IT, IT'S NOT OUT OF THE QUESTION, IT'S JUST NOT SOMETHING THAT, THAT, I MEAN, IT'S NOT LIKE WE WON'T DO IT, BUT IT'S RIGHT THIS MINUTE.
I WOULDN'T WANNA SAY TO YOU, WE'RE ABSOLUTELY DOING MM-HMM,
I DON'T KNOW IF I ANSWERED THE QUESTION, BUT I, I TRIED.
AND, UH, LET ME SAY, JUST IN CONCLUSION, I THOUGHT YOUR, UH, YOUR PRESENTATION, ESPECIALLY THE, THE VIDEO WERE VERY IMPRESSIVE, AND I APPRECIATE YOUR EFFORT IN BRINGING IT TO US.
I'M GONNA TRY TO ASK SOME QUESTIONS THAT ARE FAIRLY SIMPLE TO ANSWER.
HOPEFULLY, UM, THE PARKING THAT'S GOING TO BE LEFT OVER, HOW MUCH SURFACE PARKING WILL BE LEFT OVER, AND HOW MUCH OF THE PARKING WILL BE IN GARAGES GOING FORWARD, JUST KIND OF A BALLPARK.
UM, WELL, YOU KNOW, IT'LL, IT'LL DEPEND AS IT'S A PHASED PLAN, UH, OBVIOUSLY THAT, THAT NUMBER CHANGES OVER TIME, RIGHT AS YOU START, AS WE START PHASING IN.
AND QUITE FRANKLY, IT'S THAT LAST PHASE THAT REALLY TAKES OUT, YOU KNOW, THE, THE, THE, THE MAIN SURFACE PARKING AREA IS, UH, IS CURRENTLY KIND OF OUTBOARD OF THE, WHAT'S CALLED THE FOOD COURT ENTRANCE.
SO KINDA WHERE THAT PORT RICOCHET IS, RIGHT? THAT REMAINS UNTIL, YOU KNOW, KIND OF LATTER PHASES.
UH, SO THAT'S, YOU KNOW, THAT THAT ONLY COMES IN WHEN WE ULTIMATELY, WHEN WE BUILD THAT SORT OF CORE RESIDENTIAL, UH, PROPERTY.
AND THEN WE ADD, UH, THE, UM, EXCUSE ME, THE, UH, OPEN SPACE, BUT IT, BUT IS IT FAIR TO SAY MOST OF THE PARKING HERE WILL BE IN GARAGES? IS THAT THE, IS THAT THE INTENT? UH, ON THE, ON THE WEST SIDE, YES.
BUT THE SOUTH SIDE IS UNTOUCHED.
SO FROM, FROM, UH, FROM MACY'S AROUND TO EQUINOX, THAT FIELD IS UNTOUCHED AND ALL AROUND DILLARD'S ON THE NORTH SIDE IS UNTOUCHED SURFACE PARKING.
IT'S REALLY JUST THE WEST SIDE PARK SURFACE LOTS THAT ARE IMPACTED.
UM, YOU, YOU'RE, UM, ADVOCATING A CROSSOVER AT CHAPEL HILL, RIGHT? YES.
WHAT IS THAT GONNA BE LIKE? I MEAN, THAT'S A BUSY STREET AND IT'LL BE BECOME BUSIER.
UM, ARE YOU PLANNING A LIGHT THERE? IS, IS THERE A PASSOVER OR ARE YOU GUYS GONNA DIG A TUNNEL? WHAT ARE WE DOING? IT'S, IT'S, IT'S, IT'S ACTUALLY WE, WE NEED TO DESIGN IT IN, IN THE, IN THE PD STIPULATION THAT WE WOULD WORK WITH, UH, PLANO ENGINEERS TO REALLY CO-DESIGN THAT AND MAKE SURE IT WAS SOMETHING THAT WAS SAFE.
OBVIOUSLY MOST IMPORTANT THAT IT'S SAFE, BUT IT WAS INTENDED TO EASE PEDESTRIAN AND BICYCLE ACCESS FROM THE NORTH INTO THE PROPERTY TO BE ABLE TO, TO TAKE ADVANTAGE OF THE AMENITIES THAT WE OFFER.
UM, IT, IT WOULD NOT BE A TUNNEL OR BRIDGE, IT WOULD BE AT GRADE, BUT IT'S CALLED A TABLE INTERSECTION.
SO IT, IT SORT OF, UH, IT'S ALMOST LIKE A BIG SPEED BUMP THAT, YOU KNOW, REALLY PRIORITIZES PEDESTRIAN AND, AND CAUSES THE, THE, UH, THE VEHICULAR TRAFFIC TO SLOW DOWN AT A HIGH.
AT A HIGH LEVEL, WHAT CAN WE EXPECT THE TIMELINE OF THIS TO LOOK LIKE FROM START TO KIND OF COMPLETION? UH, WHAT ARE YOU GUYS LOOKING AT NOW? I'M SURE PART OF THAT WILL DEPEND ON A VARIETY OF FACTORS, BUT WHAT ARE WE LOOKING AT AS A CITY HERE AS, BECAUSE THERE'S GONNA BE TREMENDOUS DISRUPTION IN WHILE THIS IS GOING ON.
UM, SO ASSUMING WE'RE SUCCESSFUL, UH, YOU KNOW, WITH, WITH APPROVALS, WE WOULD SPEND THE REMAINDER OF 2024, UH, DOING BUILDING PER, SORRY, DOING, UH, CONSTRUCTION DRAWINGS, DEMO DRAWINGS, AND SEEKING BUILDING PERMITS WITH THE GOAL OF STARTING CONSTRUCTION ACTUALLY AS EARLY IN 25 AS POSSIBLE.
UH, THAT FIRST PHASE WOULD TAKE LIKELY ABOUT 26 MONTHS ALONG THOSE LINES.
SO NOW YOU'RE, YOU KNOW, KIND OF MID, WHAT IS THAT, MID 27 FOR PHASE ONE.
UH, BUT THAT, LET ME JUST INTERJECT ONE THING.
THAT TRANSFORMS THE PROJECT, THAT THAT REALLY IS THE DISRUPTIVE PART THAT IS IN THAT CORE, BUT THAT TRANSFORMS THE PROJECT AND BUILDING THE HOTEL, WHICH IS OUTSIDE OF THAT WHOLE ZONE, UM, YOU KNOW, IS, IS A, A, YOU KNOW, A DIFFERENT PROJECT THAT HAS, YOU KNOW, OB OBVIOUSLY IT'S UNDER DEVELOPMENT, BUT IT'S NOT KIND OF IN THE CORE AFFECTING THEM ALL AND AFFECTING, UM, KIND OF THE, THE CORE OF THE PROJECT.
THAT, THAT'S THE PART TO US THAT, THAT TRANSFORMS IT.
THEN IF YOU'RE BUILDING RESIDENTIAL BY THE, THE MACY SITE AND, AND IF YOU'RE BUILDING THE HOTEL, YOU'VE GOT A, YOU'VE GOT CONSTRUCTION GOING, BUT WE'VE, WE'VE GOT THAT GOING ON IN OUR PROJECTS AROUND THE COUNTRY AND, AND, AND I MEAN, IT, IT, WE'VE BEEN ABLE TO, TO MANAGE THAT.
THE MALLS HAVE BEEN ABLE TO CONTINUE OPERATING THE, YOU KNOW, YOU DO IT RIGHT, YOU, YOU KNOW, BUT IT'S THAT CORE PROJECT THAT IS THE, THE PIECE THAT IS REALLY GOING TO, YOU KNOW, BE THE, THE, THE DISRUPTIVE PART.
THIS ISN'T THE FIRST MALL THAT'S GOT REMODELED, SO THERE'S A PROCESS TO IT.
UM, SO, UM, UH, HOTEL, UM, I THINK YOU'RE TARGETING A BOUTIQUE HOTEL.
DO YOU HAVE ANY IDEA WHAT THAT MIGHT LOOK LIKE YET, OR, OR NOT IN TERMS OF, ITS LIKE, IN TERMS OF MAYBE WHO, I MEAN, WHAT ARE WE LOOKING AT THERE? IS IT, I MEAN, WHAT CAN WE EXPECT? YOU KNOW, WE WANT, I MEAN, WE'RE, WE'RE JUST, AGAIN, WE WE'RE GONNA START, WE'VE TALKED TO HOTEL DEVELOPERS AROUND THE COUNTRY ON, YOU KNOW, PROJECTS.
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TO A FEW ABOUT THIS PROJECT.UM, IS IT MORE HOLIDAY INN OR ZAZU? NO, NO, NO, NO, NO, NO.
IT'S, IT'S, IT'S ON THE OTHER END OF THE SPECTRUM FROM THE HOLIDAY INN.
I WE, WE WANT NO DISRESPECT TO HOLIDAY INN.
NO DISRESPECT,
YEAH, WE, WE, THAT'S ANOTHER ONE.
WE, WE WANT A VERY, A VERY QUALITY, VERY UPSCALE HOTEL HERE.
THERE IS NOTHING ONCE YOU LEAVE LBJ TO, TO GET OUT TO FRISCO, THAT REALLY DELIVERS WHAT WE THINK A HOTEL HERE SHOULD BE ABLE TO DELIVER.
I MEAN, THE ONLY THING THAT, IN MY OPINION IN THE AREA THAT MIGHT BE OF THE SCOPE OF WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT IS MAYBE THE RENAISSANCE SEPARATE LEGACY WEST.
OTHER THAN THAT, YOU KNOW, WE'VE GOT GREAT HOTELS, BUT MAYBE NOTHING LIKE HERE.
WE'RE NOT LOOKING FOR A CONVENTION HOTEL.
I MEAN, THE, LIKE, THE, YOU KNOW, THE RENAISSANCE IS VERY NICE, BUT IT'S BIG AND IT'S, IT'S GOT A LOT OF CONVENTION SPACE.
I MEAN, WE WANT A LITTLE BIT MORE, UM, LITTLE, LITTLE BIT MORE OF A BOUTIQUE UPSCALE FEEL, UH, A LITTLE HIGHER FOOD AND BEVERAGE EXPERIENCE, BAR EXPERIENCE, UM, JUST A, A DI DIFFERENT TYPE OF, OF, I MEAN, THAT IS A VERY NICE HOTEL AND I AGREE THAT THAT'S PROBABLY THE ONE, BUT, UH, BUT I THINK WE WANT TO DO SOMETHING A LITTLE DIFFERENT.
WELL, YOU KNOW, YOU KNOW, UM, TO ME, ONE OF THE BIG THINGS HERE IS CAN YOU GUYS DO THIS? AND THEN WILL YOU DO WHAT YOU SAY YOU'RE GONNA DO? AND THAT'S NOT A QUESTION.
I'M MAKING A COMMENT HERE, AND WHAT I KNOW ABOUT WHAT YOU GUYS DO IS I DO KNOW YOU ARE CAPABLE OF DOING THIS, AND SO THEN ULTIMATELY WILL YOU DO IT? I THINK THAT'S AN IMPORTANT QUESTION WE NEED TO UNDERSTAND ULTIMATELY.
BUT I, I KNOW THAT'S ALL IN PROCESS, BUT I'M, I'M CONFIDENT YOU GUYS WOULD DELIVER, UM, WHAT YOU SAY IT DELIVERS.
JUST KINDA ONE FOLLOW UP QUESTION.
UM, AND YOU MAY NOT BE ABLE TO ANSWER THIS, BUT, UM, ALL OF YOUR, PRETTY MUCH ALL OF YOUR GREEN SPACE IS EITHER ALONG YOUR CENTER SPINE ROAD OR IN LOTS 14 AND 21, AND I KNOW SHA DESIGNATED THOSE AS THEIR OWN LOTS IN YOUR DEVELOPMENT.
MY, MY, MY QUESTION IS THAT ONE OF THE CHALLENGES THAT WE'VE GOT, AND ONE OF THE REASONS THAT, UM, IT'S NOT FAVORED BY THE MASTER PLAN IS BECAUSE OF DENSITY.
UM, DID Y'ALL LOOK AT, IF YOU PUT THOSE LOTS INTO, I DON'T KNOW, LOTS 15 AND 20, OR IF THAT, DID Y'ALL RUN NUMBERS TO SEE ABOUT HOW THAT AFFECTED THE DENSITY OF THE MULTIFAMILY? IF YOU INCLUDED SOME OF THAT OPEN SPACE IN THOSE MULTIFAMILY LOTS, FOR LACK OF A BETTER TERM, GERRYMANDERED THE LOT LINES.
UM, DID Y'ALL LOOK AT THAT AS A HOLISTIC DEAL TO SEE WHAT YOUR OVERALL DENSITY WAS OR IF THERE WAS A WAY TO GERRYMANDERED LOT LINES TO MEET THE DENSITY REQUIREMENTS? WE DID.
LOOK, I THINK IT WAS CHALLENGING, AND I'M GONNA SPEAK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT ATTORNEY RAHA, MAYBE HELP ME, BUT, YOU KNOW, CROSSING, HAVING LOT LINES THAT CROSS, UH, RIGHT OF WAYS WAS CHALLENGING.
SO, SO I AGREE WITH WHAT YOU DID IT.
I'M ASKING IF Y'ALL RAN THE MATH TO SEE THE DENSITY, IT WOULD'VE MADE LIFE A WHOLE LOT EASIER TO BE ABLE TO DONATE OR, YOU KNOW, TO, TO BUYER SORT OF ALLOCATE, I GUESS THE RIGHT WORD.
YOU KNOW, HALF THE DOG PARK TO, TO ONE RESIDENT, HALF THE DOG PARK TO THE OTHER, BUT YOU'RE CROSSING, YOU KNOW, EASEMENTS AND RIGHTS OF WAYS AND IT'S JUST, THERE'S NOT REALLY A GOOD WAY TO CARVE THAT UP.
SO WHAT YOU END UP WITH IS, YOU KNOW, A DENSE LOT WITH MULTIFAMILY ON IT, BUT RIGHT NEXT DOOR IS A GREAT OPEN SPACE, AND THAT'S WHY WE WORK WITH STAFF TO MAKE SURE THAT WE DON'T GET A CERTIFICATE OF OCCUPANCY ON THE, ON THE APARTMENTS THEMSELVES UNTIL WE BUILD THE OPEN SPACE.
SO COLLECTIVELY, YOU, IT FEELS LIKE IT'S SORT OF ONE DEVELOPMENT, EVEN THOUGH THEY ARE SEPARATE LOTS.
DID YOU RUN THE MATH ON ALL THE MULTIFAMILY AND ALL THE 'EM PLACED TOGETHER TO HAVE A DENSITY NUMBER TO COMPARE THAT TO THE MASTER PLAN? ALL THE MULTIFAMILY, IF YOU ADDED 'EM ALL TOGETHER, LIKE THEY WERE ON ONE LOT, DO YOU KNOW, DID Y'ALL LOOK AT THAT AT ALL? IT'S, I KNOW THAT'S AN AWFUL WALL QUESTION.
I DON'T THINK WE PARSED IT OUT THAT WAY.
I THINK WE, WE REALLY, WE DID LOOK AT IT AS, AS SORT OF INDIVIDUAL LOTS JUST BY VIRTUE OF, OF, YOU KNOW, WHAT WAS FEASIBLE.
UH, AND TRYING TO GET TO AN OVERALL TOTAL THAT WORKED ON BOTH FRONTS.
I DIDN'T LOOK AT IT IN TERMS OF, UH, YOU KNOW, COMPARING IT ACROSS, YOU KNOW, KIND OF EASEMENTS OR ACROSS RIGHT AWAY.
I, I COMPLETELY RESPECT YOU DIDN'T TRY TO GAME IT.
I JUST DIDN'T KNOW IF Y'ALL RAN THE MATH.
COULD, COULD WE HAVE GAINED IT? I MEAN, COULD
I LOST MY TRAIN OF THOUGHT ON, UM, YOUR PROPOSAL HAS 13.4% OPEN SPACE, I BELIEVE PASSIVE AND ACTIVE OPEN IS HOW IT'S CATEGORIZED WITH 9.2% AS ACTIVE AS, CAN I TAKE THAT 9.2 AS A SUBSET OF THE 13.4? OR IS IT YES, IT'S NOT IN ADDITION TO, IT'S NOT IN ADDITION TO THE 13 FOUR IS THE TOTAL.
TURN OFF ALL OF THEIR QUESTION BUTTONS.
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MORE QUESTION BUTTONS.UM, THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE, FOR BEING PATIENT.
THANK YOU FOR REACHING OUT TO THE COMMUNITY AROUND YOU.
THANK YOU FOR WORKING WITH YOUR TENANTS WHO OBVIOUSLY ALL LOVE YOU.
AND I THINK WHAT THEY ALL SEE IS A LIGHT AT THE END OF THE TUNNEL AND A LOCATION THAT COULD VERY EASILY LOOK LIKE COLIN GREEN MALL.
I'M GONNA CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING, FIND DISCUSSION TO THE COMMISSION.
UM, MR. BRUNO, BEFORE YOU START, I'M JUST GONNA STAY, I, I THINK I KNOW WHERE SOME OF YOU LAND ON THIS QUESTION, BUT, UH, THIS COULD EASILY BE ANOTHER CONCRETE MALL IN MY MIND.
IT MAY HAVE A DIFFERENT NAME TO IT, SUBURBAN MIXED USE DISTRICT, WHATEVER.
TO ME, IT LOOKS A LOT LIKE THAT.
UH, IT'S GOT RESIDENTIAL RIGHT UP AGAINST IT ON ONE SIDE.
THIS ONE HAS MULTI-FAMILY, THE OTHER ONE HAD SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTS.
UM, WE DIDN'T HAVE ANYBODY SHOW UP TO SPEAK AGAINST THIS THING, SO I DON'T THINK THERE'S A LOT OF OPPOSITION TO CREATING A PROJECT THAT LOOKS, EVEN IF IT LOOKS PARTIALLY LIKE WHAT THEY SHOWED US, THAT'S A BETTER ALTERNATIVE THAN, UH, WATCHING WHAT HAPPENS OVER THE NEXT TWO OR THREE YEARS.
IF WE DON'T TAKE SOMETHING HANDED TO US THAT LOOKS THIS GOOD.
UH, I, I'M CONCERNED ABOUT WHERE THAT, WHAT THAT, WHAT THAT SPACE WILL LOOK LIKE.
SO LOTS OF, OF BUZZERS LIT UP, BUT, UH, I AM, I AM DEFINITELY IN FAVOR OF THIS PROJECT, MR. BRUNO.
UM, MR. LEVINS SAID SOMETHING, WHICH WAS PRETTY MUCH THE SAME THING THAT COMMISSIONER CAREY SAID AT A PREVIOUS MEETING, WHICH IS THE, IF I CAN QUOTE YOU CORRECTLY, THE ENEMY OF THE GOOD IS THE PERFECT, I BELIEVE IS WHAT YOU SAID.
WELL, YOUR COMMENT WAS DIRECTED TO ME AT THE TIME, AND I
I'M FORCED TO ADMIT THAT YOU WERE RIGHT.
UM, THIS PROJECT ON THE WHOLE, LOOKING AT IT BROADLY, TO ME IS AN OPPORTUNITY TO NOT ONLY SAVE, BUT REVITALIZE WHAT WAS BUILT AS AND WAS ALWAYS INTENDED TO BE A MAJOR ASSET WITHIN THE CITY OF PLANO.
AND WITH THIS PROJECT, HAS THE POTENTIAL TO, AGAIN, BE A MAJOR ASSET IN, WITHIN THE CITY OF PLANO, SOMETHING THAT I WOULD HATE TO LOSE FROM THE STANDPOINT OF THE, THE GOOD BEING, THE ENEMY OF THE PERFECT.
I JUST WANNA ADDRESS BRIEFLY THE, UM, ISSUES WITH A COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
FIRST OF ALL, MIX OF USES, NO, IT DOES NOT HAVE A MIX OF RESIDENTIAL USES, BUT IT DOES HAVE AN OVERALL MIX OF USES.
THERE IS A MIXTURE OF RESIDENTIAL, UH, RETAIL, RESTAURANT, HOTEL OFFICE BUILDING.
UM, I MAY HAVE LEFT SOMETHING OUT, BUT THAT'S, THAT'S THE GIST OF IT.
THIS IS A, UH, THIS IS, I THINK IT'S A SPLENDID MIX OF USES THAT WORK TOGETHER AND COMPLIMENT EACH OTHER.
UM, AND THEY'RE PUT TOGETHER IN A, IN A FORM THAT E THAT THE USES, UH, SUPPORT AND SUSTAIN EACH OTHER.
UH, AND FOR THAT, I CAN, I THINK I CAN OVERLOOK THE FACT THAT THERE'S NO SINGLE FAMILY ATTACHED OR DETACHED.
UM, WITH RESPECT TO THE DENSITY ISSUE, UM, FRANKLY, I THINK THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN LIMITS ON DENSITY WERE MADE WITH A TRADITIONAL APARTMENT COMPLEX DESIGN IN MIND WHERE UNITS WERE BUILT IN TWO OR THREE STORY BUILDINGS MAX THAT BUILT OUTWARD ON A CAMPUS LIKE SETTING.
WHEREAS IN A CITY LIKE PLANO WHERE WE ARE QUICKLY RUNNING OUT OF AVAILABLE UNDEVELOPED LAND, AND WE HAVE TO HOUSE PEOPLE, THE, THAT THERE'S A DEVELOPING TREND OF BUILDING UP.
AND WHEN YOU BUILD UP INSTEAD OF OUT, YOU ARE TECHNICALLY INCREASING THE DENSITY.
I DON'T THINK THAT NECESSARILY MEANS THAT BUILDING UP IS BAD.
UH, YOU CAN BUILD, YOU KNOW, QUALITY MULTIFAMILY GOING UP.
UM, THERE ARE OTHER AREAS IN THE CITY WHERE, YOU KNOW, FIVE STORY MID-RISE, UM, APARTMENT BUILDINGS HAVE BEEN BUILT AND THEY LOOK GOOD AND THEY SERVE THEIR NEIGHBORHOODS.
DOWNTOWN PLANO IS AN EXAMPLE, UM, PRESTON ROAD BETWEEN, UH, UH, PLANO PARKWAY.
AND, YOU KNOW, THAT, THAT GENERAL AREA IS ANOTHER EXAMPLE.
I THINK THAT, UM, I MEAN, I'M NOT IN THE BUILDING BUSINESS, I NEVER HAVE BEEN, BUT, UH, IT SEEMS TO ME THAT, UH, BUILDING UP REQUIRES ADDITIONAL EXPANSE AND DESIGN IN TERMS OF CONSTRUCTION.
LIKE IT PROBABLY REQUIRES A STEEL FRAME RATHER THAN, YOU KNOW, A WOODEN FRAME.
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ELEVATORS, YOU KNOW, UM, CENTRAL AIR AND HEAT FOR THE WHOLE BUILDING.UH, I THINK IT PROBABLY REQUIRES A CONSIDERABLE INVESTMENT THAT, YOU KNOW, IS AN INCENTIVE TO BUILDERS TO BUILD A QUALITY PROJECT FROM THE GET GO.
UH, SO, UH, I THINK THE CITY OF PLANO IS TRANSITIONING FROM ITS, YOU KNOW, FORMER EXISTENCE AS A BEDROOM COMMUNITY TO DALLAS, TO A SUBURBAN EMPLOYMENT CENTER IN ITS OWN RIGHT WITH ITS OWN ECONOMY, ITS OWN BUSINESSES, ITS OWN WORKFORCE.
AND, UM, BECAUSE OF THE CHANGING CHARACTER OF THE NATURE OF THE CITY OF PLANO, I THINK WE'RE GOING TO BE SEEING AND NEEDING MORE OF THIS TYPE OF HOUSING CONSTRUCTION.
I DON'T WANT TO SEE US GET MIRED IN A ROMANTIC VISION OF THE PAST THAT PREVENTS US FROM MOVING FORWARD AND EMBRACING THE CHANGE THAT IS INEVITABLE.
SO, UM, IN SUMMARY, I WILL BE VOTING FOR THIS PROJECT.
OH, EXCUSE ME, MR. ALI, YOUR FIRST, UH, THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN.
I'M GONNA QUOTE STAFF'S REPORT TO REDEVELOPMENT OF THE ALL IS NEEDED.
THE APPLICANT'S CONCEPT PLAN INCLUDES MANY DESIGN FEATURES AND AMENITIES THAT SUPPORT THIS GOAL.
UM, HOWEVER, AS COMMISSIONER PROOV, UM, JUST POINTED OUT, THERE'S SOME INCONSISTENCIES THAT REQUIRE FINDINGS, BUT, UM, WE HAVE TWO THRESHOLDS AS A COMMISSION THAT WE CAN USE TO, UH, ALLOW PROPOSALS THAT DON'T COME FROM STRICTLY THE GUIDING PRINCIPLES.
UM, AND, AND I QUOTE, SUBSTANTIALLY BENEFICIAL TO THE IMMEDIATE NEIGHBORS CHECK SURROUNDING COMMUNITY CHECK AND GENERAL PUBLIC INTEREST.
I THINK WE ALL AGREE THAT THIS IS IN THE GENERAL PUBLIC INTEREST.
SO, UM, UH, LEAVING SPACE FOR EVERYBODY ELSE TO TALK.
I'LL PUT A MOTION ON THE FLOOR AND MOVE THAT WE APPROVE AGENDA ITEM, UH, NUMBER EIGHT A, UH, AS SUBMITTED, ALLOW FOR THE REST.
UM, I'D LIKE TO, WE CAN CONTINUE THE DIALOGUE, BUT SINCE I'VE GOT A MOTION, I'D LIKE TO KNOW IF WE HAVE A SECOND.
UM, WOULD THAT, ALL RIGHT, SO IT'S, DO, DO WE WANT TO CONTINUE WITH THE DIALOGUE, MR. CAREY? UM, SOME OF YOU KNOW, I, I PROBABLY HAVE AS MUCH EXPERIENCE WITH A PROJECT LIKE THIS AS ANYONE.
I HAVE THE DUBIOUS HONOR OF KNOWING MOST OF THE ENCLOSED MALLS IN THE UNITED STATES BASED ON WHAT I USED TO DO.
AND, UM, TO THAT END, THIS SMALL SCARES ME BECAUSE ONCE MALLS END UP IN DECLINE, WE'VE SEEN WHAT HAPPENS AT COLIN CREEK, AND THIS IS A NOVEL PIECE OF PROPERTY HERE JUST ABOUT ANYWHERE IN THE UNITED STATES WHERE IT SITS.
THERE AREN'T A LOT OF PIECES OF PROPERTY LIKE THIS.
IT'S A, IT'S A TREMENDOUS POTENTIAL RESOURCE FOR PLANO, BUT IT'S, BUT IT'S NOT A GREAT RESOURCE TODAY.
IT'S UNDERPERFORMING IN EVERY REGARD.
AND SO THAT, THAT CREATES A CONUNDRUM.
UM, WHAT I KNOW, BECAUSE I KNOW THE MALLS, I KNOW WHAT THESE GUYS DO, AND I KNOW WHAT THEY'VE DONE IN SOME OTHER VERY GOOD PLACES.
YOU KNOW, MY MY QUESTION WAS, CAN THEY DO IT? THE ANSWER'S YES, THEY'VE DONE IT.
WILL THEY DO IT? I GUESS IF WE APPROVE IT, WE'LL SEE, ONE OF MY CONCERNS IS, WILL THEY COME CLOSE TO DOING WHAT THEY SAY THEY ARE? AND I, AND I HAVE A CONCERN ABOUT THAT, ESPECIALLY WHEN WE'RE GONNA VOTE FOR THIS MANY APARTMENTS, WHICH DOES INCREASE OUR DENSITY, DOES INCREASE OUR TRAFFIC HERE FOR NOW.
AND SO I HAVE A CONCERN ABOUT THAT IF THIS DOESN'T GET BUILT OUT THE WAY THAT THEY SAY.
BUT, BUT I THINK THEY HAVE A TRACK RECORD OF DOING THAT, SO, SO THAT, THAT'S A GOOD THING.
UM, AND I, I HAVE GREAT FEAR THAT, THAT THEY'RE RIGHT, THAT THE TIMING IS CHALLENGING ON THIS.
AND IF, IF PLANO DOESN'T MOVE AHEAD AND THIS FALLS INTO THE ABYSS, WE COULD HAVE A BIG PIECE OF PROPERTY OVER THERE.
AND OH, BY THE WAY, AS, AS THESE GUYS SAID, THEY DON'T OWN EVERYTHING.
AND SO TRYING TO PUT THIS ALL TOGETHER AND GET IT DONE ISN'T VERY SIMPLE.
UM, I THINK ULTIMATELY ONCE THIS IS DONE, IT BECOMES A REAL RESOURCE FOR OUR COMMUNITY.
IT BECOMES A PLACE THAT, UM, MIGHT BE LIVE, WORK, PLAY, WHICH I'M NOT A BIG BELIEVER IN BECAUSE I DON'T THINK MOST OF THEM WORK THAT WELL FROM MY EXPERIENCE.
I THINK THIS ONE MIGHT, BUT IT CERTAINLY CAN BE.
UH, IT CAN BE A PLACE WHERE, UH, PLANO, UM, CONGREGATES AND, AND ARE REALLY A, A GOOD, UM, ASSET FOR US.
AND SO, UM, WHILE I HAVE CONCERNS ABOUT THESE APARTMENTS HERE, I WISH IT WERE DIFFERENT.
WHAT I DO KNOW IS THEY'VE REDUCED THE NUMBER OF APARTMENTS BASED ON REQUESTS OF SEVERAL OF US, RIGHT, FROM WHERE THEY ORIGINALLY WERE.
AND SO THEY'VE GOT, THEY, THEY HAVE, UM, UH, A A BENT TOWARDS WORKING WITH STAFF AND WITH SOME OTHER PEOPLE THAT HAVE MADE SOME SUGGESTIONS.
AND SO, UM, I, I'M IN FAVOR OF THIS WITH
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THOSE CAVEATS BECAUSE I, I THINK PLANO NEEDS THIS.AND I, AND I'M WORRIED ABOUT THIS.
ALL THOSE OF US THAT HAVE LIVED HERE A WHILE HAVE JUST SEEN IT CONTINUE TO DENIGRATE.
AND IF, YOU KNOW, NEIMAN MARCUS DECIDES TO PULL OUTTA HERE, WHO, WHO KNOWS WHAT HAPPENS NEXT? AND SO, YOU KNOW, UH, DARRELL AND HIS TEAM START LOOKING FOR A NEW PLACE.
AND PRETTY SOON A LOT OF THE THINGS THAT I THINK CAN BE IMPORTANT HERE AREN'T.
SO, UM, YOU KNOW, I, I, UM, I, I'M GONNA BE FOR THIS MR. RATLIFF.
UM, I, I THINK I'VE ALREADY PRETTY WELL GONE ON RECORD SECOND IN THE MOTION THAT I'M FOR THIS.
BUT I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT TO BE ABLE EXPLAIN MY, UM, THE TWO THINGS THAT THE WHOLE REASON THAT THIS IS NOT FAVORED IS NUMBER ONE, DENSITY AND HOUSING MIX.
WE TALKED ABOUT HOUSING MIX, BUT, BUT THE DENSITY, I THINK, AND THE REASON I ASKED THE QUESTION I DID IS BECAUSE I THINK IT'S BASED ON THE WAY WE CALCULATE IT, IS WHAT'S CREATING THE PROBLEM.
IF WE REALLY LOOKED AT THIS HOLISTICALLY AS ONE LARGE PARCEL WITH DIFFERENT USES IN IT, I THINK WHAT WE'D FIND OUT IS THE DENSITY ISN'T A PROBLEM.
WE DON'T HAVE A DENSITY PROBLEM UNDER THE MASTER PLAN.
WE, WE PROBABLY CLOSE TO IN COMPLIANCE, UM, WITH IT IF THE DENSITY WAS CALCULATED AS A GLOBAL QUESTION, AS OPPOSED TO A SPECIFIC LOT BY LOT.
SO THAT'S WHY THAT DOESN'T CONCERN ME.
BUT, BUT ALSO IN LOOKING, UH, REFRESHING MY MEMORY ON THE FINDINGS FORM, UM, JUST SOME THINGS THAT JUMP OUT TO ME ABOUT THE GUIDING PRINCIPLES OF, OF PLANO TODAY.
ENHANCE THE QUALITY OF LIFE IN THE NEAR TERM AND PROMOTE THE VIABILITY AND VIBRANCY OF EXISTING NEIGHBORHOODS.
UH, I, THOSE VERY CLEARLY MEET BOTH OF THOSE.
THIS PROJECT VERY CLEARLY MEETS BOTH OF THOSE TESTS.
UM, GUIDING PRINCIPLE TWO OF PLANO 2050 ENHANCE THE QUALITY OF LIFE IN THE LONG TERM, PREPARING FUTURE GENERATIONS OF RESIDENTS AND BUSINESSES, WHICH THIS VERY CLEARLY IS WORKING TOWARDS THAT GOAL AND MANAGE THE TRANSITION TO A MATURE CITY WITH INNOVATIVE APPROACHES AND BEST PRACTICES.
I DON'T, YOU COULD HAVE WRITTEN THESE PARAGRAPHS ABOUT THIS PROJECT, BUT THEY WERE WRITTEN AS A GLOBAL GOAL.
AND SO THAT'S WHY THIS IS REALLY AN EASY DECISION FOR ME.
'CAUSE I THINK IT'S TAKING A, AS COMMISSIONER CAREY SAID, A AN UNDERPERFORMING ASSET THAT DOES NOT HAVE A BRIGHT FUTURE IN ITS CURRENT FORM.
AND REINVENTING IT TO ONE THAT WILL HAVE A VERY VIBRANT ROLE IN THE FUTURE OF PLANO MOVING FORWARD, UH, AS IT'S, AS IT'S DEVELOPED OVER THE NEXT, I'M GONNA SAY THREE TO FIVE YEARS BEFORE WE SEE, UH, A LOT OF THIS VISION COME TO LIFE.
SO, UM, THAT'S WHY I'M VERY MUCH IN FOR, FOR THIS AND, AND LOOKING FORWARD TO IT.
UM, I'VE LOOKED AT, I'VE MET WITH CENTENNIAL, UH, I'VE LISTENED TO, UH, A LOT OF THE CITIZEN'S INPUT.
UH, I'VE GOTTA ACKNOWLEDGE, UM, I THINK I DID THE MATH, UM, ONE FOURTH OF THE, UM, COMMITTEE THAT PUT THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN TOGETHER AS AN OPPOSITION OF THIS.
I FEEL LIKE I NEED TO EXPLAIN WHERE I'M COMING FROM.
UM, I UNDERSTAND THE CONCERN THAT THE CITIZENS HAVE, CITIZENS HAVE, UH, ABOUT CONGESTION.
UM, I UNDERSTAND, ALTHOUGH I DON'T COMPLETELY AGREE, UH, THE CONCERNS THAT SOME RESIDENTS HAVE ABOUT MULTIFAMILY.
UM, BUT AS I LOOK AT THIS OPPORTUNITY THAT WE HAVE, UM, I'VE BEEN TO THE DOMAIN, I'VE BEEN THERE SEVERAL TIMES, AND I REALLY DO BELIEVE, UH, AS I'VE MET WITH CENTENNIAL, THAT THEY CAN DELIVER ON WHAT THEY'RE TALKING ABOUT.
UM, I WANT PLANO TO BE THE VERY BEST THAT IT CAN BE FOR THE PEOPLE THAT LIVE HERE NOW AND FOR PLANO 2050 SO THAT MY CHILDREN AND GRANDCHILDREN HAVE AN EXPERIENCE OF PLANO LIKE I'VE HAD.
AND AS I LOOK AT THE WILLOW BEND MALL, I THINK WE HAVE A TREMENDOUS OPPORTUNITY, AN OPPORTUNITY TO TAKE, UH, AS GARY SAID, SOMETHING THAT'S NOT PERFORMING WELL AND TURN IT INTO A DESTINATION, FRANKLY, I BELIEVE BECAUSE OF THE AREA THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT HERE, UH, I THINK IT COULD PERFORM BETTER THAN THE DOMAIN DOES, UH, ESPECIALLY IF YOU GUYS HIT, HIT YOUR TARGETS AS IT RELATES TO, UH, SOME OF THE CHANGE THAT YOU'RE PUTTING IN HERE AS WELL AS, UH, THE HOTEL AND THINGS LIKE THAT.
SO, AS I TAKE THIS ON A WHOLE,
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UH, I DO DISAGREE STRONGLY WITH MR. BRUNO THAT THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN IS A ROMANTIC VISION OF THE PAST.I BELIEVE THAT WE VERY SINCERELY DREAMT ABOUT WHAT COULD BE PLANOS IN THE FUTURE.
AND THE FINDINGS FORM WAS A VERY KEY ELEMENT OF ALLOWING THAT DREAM OF WHAT PLANO COULD LOOK LIKE TO HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY.
I WILL BE SUPPORTING THIS BECAUSE I DO BELIEVE THAT 2050 AND PLANO TODAY AND PLANO TOGETHER ALL REPRESENT THE HEART OF WHAT YOU'RE TRYING TO DO, CENTENNIAL.
AND I SINCERELY APPRECIATE IT.
I HAVE A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS TO OUR STAFF MEMBERS.
ACTUALLY BEFORE I EXPRESS MY, UH, OPINION ON THIS ONE IS THAT, DO WE HAVE ANY REQUIREMENTS ON THE AESTHETIC, THE LOOKS OF THE BUILDING? 'CAUSE IT IS JUST IN MY MIND, A NIGHTMARE MAY HAPPEN TO JUST LIKE THE BUILDING ON CUSTER AND LEGACY, YOU KNOW, IT, THEY LOOK LIKE CONCENTRATION CAMPS.
HOW DO WE CONTROL THAT FOR THE MULTIFAMILY BUILDINGS TO BE LOOKING GOOD AT FITTING THAT POSITION, THAT LOCATION OF THAT PRIME REAL ESTATE OF CITY OF PLANO? YEAH, SO WE DID WORK WITH THE APPLICANT BASED ON THE RENDERINGS THAT YOU SAW TONIGHT, TO TRY TO CAPTURE AS MUCH OF THAT AS WE CAN IN THE PD STIPULATIONS.
SO YOU'LL SEE IN THOSE STIPULATIONS, THERE ARE PROVISIONS FOR BUILDING ARTICULATION FOR MINIMUM GLAZING REQUIREMENTS FOR FULL-SIZE BALCONIES ON THESE UNITS, AS WELL AS SOME OF THE SETBACK REQUIREMENTS TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY'RE BUILT CLOSE TO THE STREET.
UM, ALL THOSE TOGETHER WE FEEL ARE COMFORTABLE TO GET A QUALITY BUILDING DESIGN.
I JUST REMEMBER WHEN WE ASKED THE, THE COLORS OF THE OTHER BUILDING OUR AN, THE ANSWER WE GOT WAS, WE, WE CAN CONTROL THAT.
SO I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT WE CAN CONTROL.
THERE IS WAY, THERE IS A WAY TO CONTROL THAT.
SO WE'RE PREEMPTED FROM, FROM REGULATING BUILDING MATERIALS, BUT THERE ARE OTHER THINGS THAT WE CAN, OUR ARTICULATION FOR EXAMPLE, IS, IS ONE WE, WE HAVE BUILT INTO THE REQUIREMENTS.
GLAZING IS NOT EXPERT MATERIAL, IT'S JUST A TYPE OF CONSTRUCTION.
UM, THE WAY THE PARKING LOT, OUR PARKING STRUCTURES ARE DESIGNED.
THEY HAVE TO BE WRAPPED OR BE COMPLIMENTARY TO THE BUILDINGS THAT THEY SERVE.
ALL THOSE HAVE BEEN WRITTEN INTO THE PD STIPULATIONS AND, AND WE'RE COMFORTABLE THAT, THAT IT WOULD GET A QUALITY DESIGN.
SO IS THERE PROCESS OR A STEP IN, UH, IN THE BUILDING WHEN THEY'RE REALLY, UH, SOLIDIFYING FIND SOLID, SOLIDIFYING, SOLIDIFYING THE DESIGN OR THE COLORS? IS THERE STEP FOR US TO REVIEW THAT OR IT'S A, IT'S A STAFF LEVEL APPROVAL, BUT IT'S, IT'S A FACADE PLAN THAT THEY'LL SUBMIT WITH THEIR SITE PLAN AND LANDSCAPE PLAN.
AND WOULD JUST BE STAFF REVIEW.
AND THE SECOND QUESTION IS, IS THERE ANY WAY THAT WE CAN, UM, MONITOR THE PROCESS? 'CAUSE I'M AFRAID THAT IT MAY TAKE A LONG TIME AND THE RETAILERS, UH, OR THE SHOPS WILL HAVE TO LEAVE ANYWAY BECAUSE IF THE CONSTRUCTION TAKES FIVE YEARS, THE SHOPS, IT'S A MESS.
THE, THE SHOPS WILL MAY HAVE TO LEAVE ANYWAY.
SO I JUST DON'T KNOW IF THERE'S A RESTRICTION OR A TIMELINE THAT AS A CITY WE CAN SAY, WE APPROVE THIS, YOU GOTTA DO THIS AT THIS TIME, YOU GOTTA DO THIS AT THIS TIME SO THAT WE CAN ASSURE THIS PROJECT HAPPENS.
NO, WE'VE, WE'VE NOT DONE THAT IN THE PAST, BUT WHAT YOU'LL SEE FROM THE COMMISSION MOVING FORWARD IS PROBABLY A SERIES OF PLATS OF PRELIMINARY SITE PLANS LIKE YOU SEE TODAY WITH COLIN CREEK.
THOSE COME IN PERIODICALLY AS THEY GO FROM PHASE TO PHASE.
AND THAT'S THE OPPORTUNITY WHEN THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION CAN SEE THE LATEST OR AT ANY TIME.
IF YOU'VE GOT A QUESTION ABOUT WHERE THE PROJECT LANDS, WE CAN CERTAINLY BRING BACK A BRIEFING TO LET YOU KNOW WHAT THE STATUS IS, BUT THERE HAS NOT BEEN A TIME LIMIT ESTABLISHED IN THE PAST.
OTHER THAN THOSE TWO QUESTIONS, AGAIN, I'M EXCITED TO SEE THIS PROJECT AND I REALLY APPRECIATE, EVEN THOUGH I ASKED A LOT OF DIFFICULT QUESTIONS, BUT I AM IN FAVOR OF THE PROJECT, I'D JUST LIKE TO CALL THE QUESTION.
OKAY,
PLEASE VOTE AND THAT CARRIES EIGHT TO ZERO.
WE HAVE TO TAKE CARE OF SOME, UH, BUSINESS REAL QUICK ON OUR FINDINGS FORMS, AND THEN WE WILL HAVE A VOTE ON EIGHT B.
UM, FEEL FREE TO LEAVE OR STICK AROUND.
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OF ROUTINE, BUT WE'RE FORCED TO DO THE FINDINGS FORMS BEFORE WE GO ON TO EIGHT B.I MOVE THAT WE APPROVE ITEM EIGHT B, UH, AS RECOMMENDED BY STAFF.
SECOND, WE WOULD NEED TO CONDITION THAT ON THE, SHOULD WE DO COUNCIL'S APPROVAL OF EIGHT EIGHT APPROVAL? I, I THINK WE SHOULD READ THAT INTO THE MOTION.
WELL, YOU SAID IT WAS RECOMMENDED BY STAFF, BUT I WOULD GO AHEAD AND STATE THE MOTION SUBJECT TO COUNCIL'S APPROVAL OF SUBJECT TO COUNCIL'S APPROVAL OF THE ZONING OF THE ZONING CASE
AND YOU STILL SECOND THAT? STILL SECOND.
SO MOTION BY COMMISSIONER BROSKY WITH A SECOND BY COMMISSIONER RATLIFF TO APPROVE ITEM EIGHT B SUBJECT TO COUNCIL'S APPROVAL OF THE ZONING CHANGE IN ITEM EIGHT A.
OKAY, THAT CARRIES EIGHT TO ZERO.
THE LAST ITEM ON OUR AGENDA IS ITEMS FOR FUTURE AGENDA.
DO WE HAVE ANY ITEMS FOR A FUTURE AGENDA? OKAY, WE ARE ADJOURNED AT 10 0 8.