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THANK YOU FOR JOINING US TONIGHT AT SEVEN O'CLOCK WE WILL START THE AUGUST 21ST PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION.
IF YOU'D PLEASE RISE AND JOIN ME IN THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE, I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS, ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE, WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL COMMENTS OF PUBLIC INTEREST.
THIS PORTION OF THE MEETING IS TO ALLOW UP TO THREE MINUTES PER SPEAKER WITH 30 TOTAL MINUTES OF ITEMS OF INTEREST OR CONCERN AND NOT ON ITEMS THAT ARE ON THE CURRENT AGENDA.
THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION MAY NOT DISCUSS THESE ITEMS, BUT MAY RESPOND WITH FACTUAL OR POLICY INFORMATION.
THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION MAY CHOOSE TO PLACE THE ITEM ON A FUTURE AGENDA.
PRESIDING OFFICER MAY MODIFY THESE TIMES AS DEEMED NECESSARY.
DO WE HAVE ANY SPEAKERS ON THIS ITEM? NO, WE DO NOT.
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CONSENT AGENDA.THE CONSENT AGENDA WILL BE ACTED UPON IN ONE MOTION AND CONTAINS ITEMS WHICH ARE ROUTINE AND TYPICALLY NON-CONTROVERSIAL ITEMS MAY BE REMOVED FROM THIS AGENDA FOR INDIVIDUAL CONSIDERATION BY COMMISSIONERS OR STAFF.
WOULD ANYONE LIKE TO PULL AN ITEM FROM THE CONSENT AGENDA? I'D LIKE TO PULL ITEM E.
I ENTERTAIN A MOTION MOVE APPROVAL OF THE AGENDA ITEM, UH, NOT INCLUDING ITEM E AS PRESENTED.
SO I HAVE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE CONSENT, UH, AGENDA WITH THE EXCEPTION OF ITEM E BY MR. RATLIFF FOR A SECOND BY COMMISSIONER OLLIE, PLEASE VOTE.
AND SO THE CONSENT AGENDA WITH THE EXCEPTION OF ITEM E CARRIES BY VOTE OF EIGHT TO ZERO.
[e. (KC) Revised Site Plan: Enfield Park Addition, Block 1, Lot 1R - Health/fitness center, park/playground, and public service yard on one lot on 46.3 acres located at the southwest corner of Legacy Drive and Stadium Drive. Zoned Planned Development329-Community Center. Project #RSP2023-035. Applicant: City of Plano (Administrative consideration)]
SO ITEM E, GO AHEAD.CONSENT AGENDA ITEM E IS A REVISED SITE PLAN IN FIELD PARK EDITION BLOCK ONE, LOT ONE R, HEALTH FITNESS CENTER, PLAYGROUND PARK, AND PUBLIC SERVICE YARD ON ONE LOT ON FOUR POINT 46.3 ACRES LOCATED AT THE SOUTHWEST CORNER OF LEGACY DRIVE AND STADIUM DRIVE ZONE PLAN DEVELOPMENT 3 29 COMMUNITY CENTER PROJECT.
UH, I'M SORRY, APPLICANT IS CITY OF PLANO.
THIS IS FOR ADMINISTRATIVE CONSIDERATION.
DO WE HAVE ANY PRESENTATION OR ANYTHING FROM STAFF AT THIS POINT ON THIS OR DO YOU JUST WANNA HEAR COMMISSIONER NILES? NO PRESENTATION.
I'D BE GLAD TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.
COMMISSIONERS, I WENT OUT TO THIS SITE AND A BIG PIECE OF THIS SITE PLAN IS I THINK UPDATING RESTROOMS ON THE SITE, BUT A PART OF IT'S ALSO BRINGING THE EXISTING PUBLIC SERVICE YARD INTO COMPLIANCE.
UM, ALONG THE WESTERN PROPERTY LINE, THERE'S A LARGE AREA OF OPEN STORAGE AND ON THIS PROPOSED NEW SITE PLAN, THERE IS A LIVING SCREEN THAT'S PROPOSED.
THE, THERE'S A TOPOGRAPHY ISSUE OVER THERE THAT HAS THE PUBLIC SERVICE YARD ABOUT FIVE FOOT FEET HIGHER ON TOP OF A WALL, AND THEN INSIDE THE CHAIN LINK FENCE.
AND ON TOP OF THAT WALL, IT'S ALL CONCRETE, WHICH MEANS THAT ANY LIVING SCREEN IS GONNA BE PLANTED.
THEY'RE EITHER GONNA REMOVE CONCRETE UP HIGH OR IT WOULD BE PLANTED DOWN AT THE BOTTOM OF THE WALL.
BUT IN ADDITION TO THIS, WE'RE ON THE BACKSIDE OF AN EXISTING BUILDING AND THEN ON THE BACKSIDE OF THAT BUILDING IS EXISTING, UM, STORAGE UNITS.
UH, THERE'S ALSO A CAR WASH THAT'S THERE AS WELL.
AND SO AFTER THE FIRST 175 FEET, THERE'S REALLY NO PURPOSE FOR THE LIVING SCREEN.
AND SO I WAS GONNA PROPOSE THAT WE MODIFY THIS AND USE OUR AUTHORITY UNDER 19 POINT 200.7 TO BASICALLY EXEMPT THE CITY FROM PUTTING THE LIVING SCREEN IN.
IF SOMETHING CHANGES OVER THERE, OBVIOUSLY IT'S CITY OWNED, THEY COULD COME BACK AND ADD THE LIVING SCREEN IF IT WAS EVER NEEDED IN THE FUTURE.
BUT, UH, 200 FEET OF LIVING SCREEN IS A SUBSTANTIAL AMOUNT OF MONEY AND IT'S NOT GONNA BLOCK ANYTHING BECAUSE OF THE BUILDINGS AND THE TOPOGRAPHY THAT'S EXISTING.
SO WITH THAT, I'D MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE ITEM E WITH A STIPULATION THAT THE LIVING SCREEN IS NOT REQUIRED AFTER THE 175 FOOT MARK GOING FROM THE NORTHWEST CORNER
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SOUTH DOWN THE WESTERN PROPERTY LINE.ALRIGHT, ANY, DO WE HAVE A SECOND ON THIS ITEM? SURE.
OKAY, SO WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND.
IS THERE ANY DISCUSSION? UH, I I WOULD ASK STAFF, THE STAFF HAVE ANY REASON TO FEEL THAT THAT'S IMPROPER OR IN SOME WAY, SHAPE, OR FORM IS DETRIMENTAL TO THIS, THIS LOCATION? UH, NO.
I THINK MR. LYES REASONING IS SOUND.
THERE IS EXISTING, UH, BUILDINGS OVER THERE IN AN AREA THAT COULD CONSTITUTE A SCREENING.
UM, IF THE COMMISSION BELIEVES IN THE FUTURE THAT SCREENING IS, IS NEEDED, WE CAN COME BACK AND ADD THAT.
UM, AND IT'S WITHIN THE COMMISSION'S AUTHORITY TO, UH, MODIFY THAT SCREENING REQUIREMENT.
DOES ANYBODY ELSE HAVE COMMON OR QUESTION? YES, MA'AM.
THIS IS ONLY ON THE WESTERN PROPERTY LINE, CORRECT? CORRECT.
ON THE, YEAH, THE SOUTH AND THE EAST AND THE PART THAT FACES LEGACY TO THE NORTH IS ALREADY WELL SCREENED.
IT'S JUST, IT'S THERE'S NOTHING ON THE WESTERN SIDE CURRENTLY.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? MR. BERNOFF, HOW DID YOU COME UP WITH 175 FEET? I WENT ON THE CITY WEBSITE AND USED THE OKAY.
THE MEASUREMENT TOOL AND PULLED IT FROM THE FRONT FENCE LINE DOWN STRAIGHT ON THE PROPERTY LINE.
AND THAT'S THE FACE OF THE BUILDING THAT'S THERE.
IS THAT THE 175 FOOT MARK? ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? ALL RIGHT.
SO WE HAVE A MOTION BY COMMISSIONER LYLE TO REDUCE THE REQUIRED LANDSCAPE TO ROUGHLY 175 FEET FROM 3 75 WITH A SECOND BY COMMISSIONER KERRY, PLEASE VOTE.
AND THAT ITEM NOW CARRIES WITH THAT STIPULATION BY A VOTE OF EIGHT TO ZERO.
BEFORE WE MOVE ON TO THE REGULAR AGENDA, WE'RE GONNA SHUFFLE THINGS JUST A BIT AS WE'VE DONE IN THE PAST.
[4. (PM) Public Hearing - Replat & Revised Site Plan: Hinckley Addition, Block A, Lots 2R & 4 - Day care center on Lot 2R and vacant land on Lot 4 on 3.9 acres located on the south side of Los Rios Boulevard, 224 feet east of Flintstone Drive. Zoned Planned Development-320-Estate Development with Specific Use Permit No. 598 for Day Care Center and Single-Family Residence-9. Projects #R2023-028 and #RSP2023-053. Applicant: 3411 Los Rios Blvd, LLC (Administrative consideration)]
YOU MAY HEAR BE HERE FOR ITEMS FOUR, FIVE, AND SIX, AND THOSE ARE PRETTY BASIC STRAIGHTFORWARD ITEMS. SO, UM, LET'S START WITH ITEM FOUR, ITEMS FOR INDIVIDUAL CONSIDERATION.PUBLIC HEARING ITEMS, UNLESS INSTRUCTED OTHERWISE BY THE CHAIR, SPEAKERS WILL BE CALLED IN THE ORDER REGISTRATIONS ARE RECEIVED.
APPLICANTS ARE LIMITED TO A TOTAL OF 15 MINUTES OF PRESENTATION TIME WITH A FIVE MINUTE REBUTTAL IF NEEDED.
REMAINING SPEAKERS ARE LIMITED TO 30 TOTAL MINUTES OF TESTIMONY TIME WITH THREE MINUTES ASSIGNED PER SPEAKER.
RESIDING OFFICER MAY MODIFY THESE TIMES AS DEEMED NECESSARY.
ADMINISTRATIVE CONSIDERATION ITEMS MUST BE APPROVED IF THEY MEET CITY DEVELOPMENT REGULATIONS.
LEGISLATIVE CONSIDERATION ITEMS ARE MORE DISCRETIONARY EXCEPT AS CONSTRAINED BY LEGAL CONSIDERATIONS.
AGENDA ITEM NUMBER FOUR IS THE PUBLIC HEARING REPL AND REVISED SITE PLAN HINKLEY EDITION BLOCK A LOTS TWO R AND FOUR DAYCARE CENTER ON LOT TWO R AND VACANT LOT ON LOT FOUR ON 3.9 ACRES LOCATED ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF LOS RIOS BOULEVARD.
224 FEET EAST OF FLINTSTONE DRIVE ZONE PLAN DEVELOPMENT THREE 20 ESTATE DEVELOPMENT WITH SPECIFIC USE PERMIT, 5 98 FOR DAYCARE CENTER AND SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENCE NINE.
APPLICANT IS 3 4 34 11 LOS RIOS BOULEVARD, L L C.
THIS IS FOR ADMINISTRATIVE CONSIDERATION.
MY NAME IS JOHN KIM WITH THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT.
THIS RELAID AND REVISED SITE PLAN IS RECOMMENDED FOR APPROVAL SUBJECT TO PLAINTIFF FIRE RESCUE APPROVAL OF A VARIANCE TO THE 150 FOOT HOSE LAY REQUIREMENT ON LOT TWO R.
I'M AVAILABLE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.
DO WE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF ON THIS ITEM, MR. BERNOFF? UH, YES.
WE HAVE A LETTER FROM, UH, MICROPHONE, EXCUSE ME.
WE HAVE A LETTER FROM MR. WANG YANG, PRESIDENT OF THE YANG GROUP L L C, WITH REGARD TO THE LOCATION OF A FENCE AND A CANOPY SUPPOSEDLY IN THE SIDE YARD SETBACK, UH, COMMITTING TO HAVE THOSE REMOVED.
UH, DOES THAT SATISFY THE STAFF? UH, YES IT DOES.
YES, WE'VE BEEN IN DISCUSSION WITH THE PROPERTY OWNER OF THAT ISSUE AND WE'RE WORKING WITH THEM ON THAT.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? OKAY, THANK YOU.
DO WE HAVE A SPEAKER ON THIS ITEM? YES, WE HAVE SCOTT.
I DON'T, I DON'T NEED TO SPEAK.
I JUST HERE FOR QUESTION ANSWERS.
OKAY, THANK SO HE'S AVAILABLE FOR QUESTIONS.
I'LL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING THEN FIND DISCUSSION OF THE COMMISSION.
COMMENTS, THOUGHTS? MR. BRUNO? MICROPHONE PLEASE.
SORRY, I MOVE THAT WE APPROVE ITEM NUMBER FOUR.
DO WE NEED TO DO SUBJECT TO THE, UH, SUBJECT TO REMOVING
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THE, UH, FENCE AND THE CANOPY FROM THE SIDE SIDE YARD SETBACK? NO, WE'RE LOOKING AT THE LANGUAGE RELATED TO, GO AHEAD.THERE'S A, IT'S IN THE STAFF REPORTS, UH, FIRE DEPARTMENT VARIANCE TO THE HOSE LAY REQUIREMENT.
THE ISSUE WITH THE SIDE YARD IS SOMETHING WE ARE ADDRESSING WITH THE PROPERTY OWNER.
SO I DON'T NEED TO INCLUDE THAT IN THE MOTION.
YOU DO NOT? NO, I'M JUST SUBJECT TO THE FIRE DE, DE, UH, DEPARTMENT.
OH, SUBJECT TO THE FIRE DEPARTMENT'S, UH, REQUIREMENTS.
I MOVE THAT WE, LET ME AMEND MY MOTION.
I MOVE THAT WE APPROVE THIS ITEM NUMBER FOUR, UH, SUBJECT TO FIRE DEPARTMENT'S REQUIREMENTS.
AND YOU WANT TO RE YOU WANT TO SECOND THAT AGAIN, MS. DON? YEAH.
AND THIS SAYS AGENDA ITEM ONE A ON THE BOARD.
OKAY, THAT ITEM CARRIES EIGHT TO ZERO ITEM FIVE, PLEASE.
[5. (DS) Public Hearing - Replat & Revised Site Plan: Palisades Business Park No. 6, Block 1, Lot 4R - Car wash on one lot on 0.8 acre located on the east side of K Avenue, 173 feet north of State Highway 190. Zoned Light Industrial-1 and located within the 190 Tollway/Plano Parkway Overlay District. Projects #R2023-030 and #RSP2023-042. Applicant: Woodmont Plano Avenue K, LLC (Administrative consideration)]
FIVE, PUBLIC HEARING REPL AND REVISED SITE PLAN.NUMBER SIX, BLOCK ONE, LOT FOUR R CAR WASH ON ONE LOT ON 0.8 ACRE, LOCATED ON THE EAST SIDE OF K AVENUE.
173 FEET NORTH OF STATE HIGHWAY ONE 90 ZONED LIGHT INDUSTRIAL ONE AND LOCATED WITHIN THE ONE 90 TOLLWAY PLANO PARKWAY OVERLAY DISTRICT.
APPLICANT IS WOODMONT PLANO AVENUE.
THIS IS FOR ADMINISTRATIVE CONSIDERATION.
MY NAME IS DONNA SEPULVEDA, SENIOR PLANNER WITH THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT.
THESE ITEMS ARE RECOMMENDED FOR APPROVAL AS SUBMITTED AND I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.
ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF ON ITEM FIVE? UM, QUICK QUESTION ON THE BIKE TRAIL EASEMENT THAT WE TIE IN THAT TO THE, UM, ESSENTIALLY THE BIKE PATH PLAN THAT WAS PRESENTED A COUPLE OF MEETINGS AGO IS, IS THERE A CONNECTION TO A LARGER BIKE SYSTEM, MOTOR SYSTEM WITHIN THE CITY OR IS THIS ISOLATED IN ANY WAY? IT, IT SHOULD FOLLOW THE PARKS MASTER PLAN FOR THE HIKE AND BIKE TRAILS.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? THANK YOU.
DO YOU HAVE ANY SPEAKERS ON THIS ITEM? NO, WE DO NOT.
I'LL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING, FIND DISCUSSION OF THE COMMISSION.
UH, MR. CHAIRMAN, I MOVE, WE APPROVE.
AGENDA ITEM NUMBER FIVE, SUBJECT TO THE DEDICATION OF A HIKE AND BACK TRAIL EASEMENT ON PALISADES BUSINESS PARK.
MOTION BY COMMISSIONER ALI TO APPROVE ITEM FIVE, UH, PER STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION WITH A SECOND BY COMMISSIONER LYLE, PLEASE VOTE NOW.
[6. (JK) Public Hearing - Replat: St. Elizabeth Ann Seton Catholic Church Addition, Block 1, Lot 1R - Religious facility on one lot on 6.3 acres located on the south side of Spring Creek Parkway, 330 feet east of Independence Parkway. Zoned Single-Family Residence-9. Project #R2023-032. Applicant: SEASCP-RC (Administrative consideration)]
WE'LL MOVE ON TO ITEM SIX PLEASE.AGENDA ITEM NUMBER SIX, PUBLIC HEARING REPL ST.
ELIZABETH ANN SETON CATHOLIC CHURCH EDITION BLOCK ONE LOT ONE R RELIGIOUS FACILITY ON ONE LOT ON 6.3 ACRES LOCATED ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF SPRING CREEK PARKWAY, 330 FEET EAST OF INDEPENDENCE PARKWAY ZONE, SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENCE NINE.
THIS IS FOR ADMINISTRATIVE CONSIDERATION.
WE RECOMMEND THAT THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION ACCEPT THE APPLICANT'S REQUEST TO WITHDRAW THE RE REPLY.
I'LL BE AVAILABLE FOR ANY QUESTIONS.
UH, ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF ON THIS ITEM? OKAY, THANK YOU.
DO WE HAVE ANY SPEAKERS? NO, WE DO NOT.
ALRIGHT, THANK YOU ALL A PUBLIC HEARING MR. MAKE A MOTION.
WE ACCEPT THE APPLICANT'S REQUEST TO, UH, WITHDRAW THE REPL AS PRESENTED.
SECOND, I HAVE A MOTION BY COMMISSIONER RATLIFF FOR A SECOND BY COMMISSIONER BRUNO TO, UH, ACCEPT STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION ON ITEM SIX.
AND THAT ITEM CARRIES EIGHT TO ZERO.
HOPEFULLY IF THERE WAS ANYBODY THERE FOR HERE FOR THOSE THEY FEEL FREE TO MOVE ON NOW.
UM, WE DIDN'T WANT YOU TO SIT THROUGH THE REST OF THIS.
[1A. (JA) Discussion and Action: Street Design Standards - Discussion and consideration of a request to adopt the Street Design Standards, which are presented as an update to the current Thoroughfare Standards Rules and Regulations. Project #DI2023-006. Tabled on July 17, 2023. Applicant: City of Plano (Legislative consideration)]
LET'S MOVE TO ITEM ONE A AND AS DISCUSSED, WE, I WILL READ ALL FIVE ITEMS TOGETHER.ONE A IS BEFORE SHE STARTS, CAN I RECUSE MYSELF? OH, ABSOLUTELY.
UH, JUST AS A DOWNTOWN PROPERTY OWNER AND
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AS SOMEONE THAT, UH, HAS LAND SPECIFICALLY AFFECTED BY THIS, I WILL BE RECUSING MYSELF FROM THIS CONVERSATION.SPEAKER AGENDA ITEM NUMBER ONE, A DISCUSSION AND ACTION STREET DESIGN STANDARDS, DISCUSSION AND CONSIDERATION OF A REQUEST TO ADOPT THE STREET DESIGN STANDARDS, WHICH ARE PRESENTED AS AN UPDATE TO THE CURRENT THOROUGHFARE STANDARDS, RULES AND REGULATIONS.
PROJECT NUMBER IS D I 2023 DASH 0 6 1
[1B. (JA) Public Hearing: Comprehensive Plan Amendment 2023-001 - Request to update the Thoroughfare Plan Map and Cross Sections of the Comprehensive Plan to align with the Street Design Standards. Project #CPA2023-001. Tabled on July 17, 2023. Applicant: City of Plano (Legislative consideration)]
B IS A PUBLIC HEARING COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AMENDMENT 2023 DASH 0 0 1 REQUEST TO UPDATE THE THOROUGHFARE PLAN, MAP AND CROSS SECTIONS OF THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN TO ALIGN WITH THE STREET DESIGN STANDARDS.THIS IS PROJECT NUMBER C P A 2023 DASH ZERO ONE.
[1C. (MK) Public Hearing: Zoning Case 2023-002 - Request to amend various sections of the Zoning Ordinance to incorporate and align with the Street Design Standards. Project #ZC2023-002. Tabled on July 17, 2023. Petitioner: City of Plano (Legislative consideration)]
ONE C IS A PUBLIC HEARING ZONING CASE, 2023 DASH 0 0 2.REQUEST TO AMEND VARIOUS SECTIONS OF THE ZONING ORDINANCE TO INCORPORATE AND ALIGN WITH THE STREET DESIGN STANDARDS.
PROJECT NUMBER CC 2023 DASH 0 2 1
[1D. (MK) Public Hearing: Subdivision Ordinance Amendment 2023-001 - Request to amend various sections of the Subdivision Ordinance to align with the Street Design Standards. Project #SOA2023-001. Tabled on July 17, 2023. Petitioner: City of Plano (Legislative consideration)]
D IS A PUBLIC HEARING SUBDIVISION ORDINANCE AMENDMENT 2023 DASH ZERO ONE REQUEST TO AMEND VARIOUS SECTIONS OF THE SUBDIVISION ORDINANCE TO ALIGN WITH THE STREET DESIGN STANDARDS PROJECT S O A 2023 DASH 0 0 1.[1E. (JA) Discussion and Action: Repeal of Transportation-Related Policy Documents - Discussion and consideration of a request to repeal obsolete transportation-related policy documents, including the repeal of Ordinance No. 2009-6-10, thereby rescinding the Thoroughfare Standards Rules and Regulations, as amended, Traffic Island Guidelines (1989), and Private Street Subdivision Guidelines (1994). Project #DI2023-013. Applicant: City of Plano (Legislative consideration)]
FINALLY, ONE E IS A DISCUSSION IN ACTION, REPEAL OF TRANSPORTATION RELATED POLICY DOCUMENTS, DISCUSSION AND CONSIDERATION OF A REQUEST TO APPEAL REPEAL OBSOLETE TRANSPORTATION RELATED POLICY DOCUMENTS, INCLUDING THE REPEAL OF ORDINANCE NUMBER 2009 DASH 10, THEREBY RESCINDING THE THOROUGHFARE STANDARDS, RULES AND REGULATIONS AS AMENDED TRAFFIC ISLAND GUIDELINES 1989 AND PRIVATE STREET SUBDIVISION GUIDELINES 1994.PROJECT NUMBER IS D I 2023 DASH 13.
UH, MR. CHAIRMAN, I THINK THE AGENDA SET ON ITEM ONE E DESCRIBES ORDINANCE NUMBER TWO, 2009 DASH SIX DASH 10.
IT'S BECAUSE WE'RE RESCINDING THE OLD ORDINANCE.
THAT'S WHY IT'S REFERENCING IT.
NO, SHE, SHE READ 2009 DASH ZERO DASH 10.
I HAVE SIX DASH 10 MY, MY APOLOGIES.
IT SHOULD BE, YEAH, SO I SEE, SORRY, WHAT YOU'RE SAYING.
IT'S JUST A MISLEAD 2 0 0 9 DASH SIX DASH 10.
UH, MY NAME IS CALEB THORNHILL.
I'M THE DIRECTOR OF ENGINEERING FOR THE CITY OF PLANO.
UM, AND I WILL TELL YOU, I HAVE ALREADY ASKED IF THEY WILL TURN THE AC DOWN, SO I APOLOGIZE.
LUCKILY, FACILITIES IS ENGINEERING ENGINEERING.
SO, UM, WITH THAT TONIGHT YOU'LL DISCUSS, UH, AND CONSIDER THE ADOPTION OF THE STREET DESIGN STANDARDS.
UH, WITH THIS IS A UPDATE TO THE CURRENT THOROUGHFARE STANDARDS, UH, RULES AND REGULATIONS.
AS YOU JUST HEARD, THE THOROUGHFARE STANDARDS, RULES AND REGULATION WAS LAST UPDATED IN 2009.
AND, UH, IN 2021, THE ENGINEERING DEPARTMENT INITIATED THE EFFORT TO UPDATE THE THOROUGH FIRST STANDARD RULES AND REGULATIONS AND PARTNER WITH THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT, UH, TO HIRE A CONSULTANT FOR THIS UPDATE.
AS YOU'RE AWARE, THIS IS A DOCUMENT UTILIZED BY SEVERAL DEPARTMENTS, BUT SPECIFICALLY ENGINEERING AND PLANNING.
BRIAN SHUKI, UH, WILL BE HERE TONIGHT IF YOU HAVE ANY SPECIFIC, UH, TECHNICAL OR, UH, QUESTIONS RELATED TO ENGINEERING.
HE'S A CITY'S TRANSPORTATION ENGINEER AND I'LL BE AVAILABLE AS WELL.
WITH THAT, I WILL TURN OVER TO JASON
IT'S BEEN A WHILE SINCE I'VE BEEN UP HERE, BUT I'M EXCITED TO TALK ABOUT THE STREET DESIGN STANDARDS.
I'M THE SENIOR MOBILITY PLANNER.
AS CALEB MENTIONED, THE CITY'S WORKING TO UPDATE THE THOROUGH FIRST STANDARDS, RULES AND REGULATIONS SOON TO BE RENAMED THE STREET DESIGN STANDARDS.
THIS HAS BEEN A COLLABORATIVE EFFORT AMONG MULTIPLE CITY DEPARTMENTS TO INCORPORATE, UM, NATIONAL BEST PRACTICES, IMPROVE USER FRIENDLINESS AND IMPLEMENT TRANSPORTATION RECOMMENDATIONS FROM THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
STAFF FIRST INTRODUCED THE STREET DESIGN STANDARDS TO THE COMMISSION IN THE FALL OF 2022.
MAJOR CHANGES, IMPROVEMENTS, AND DISCUSSION ITEMS WERE BROUGHT BEFORE THIS COMMISSION.
SINCE MARCH 1ST, STAFF INITIATED THE PUBLIC OUTREACH PHASE OF THE PROJECT.
WE COLLECTED FEEDBACK FROM RESIDENTS AND STAKEHOLDERS.
WE ALSO CREATED A SPECIALIZED WEBSITE FOR THE PROJECT AND POSTED UPDATED DRAFTS AND SUMMARIES ON THAT WEBSITE.
STAFF HAS RELEASED UP TO THREE DRAFTS FROM MANY OF THE SECTIONS FOR FOLLOWING FEEDBACK FROM STAFF AND FROM, UH, MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC AND ARE PRESENTING THE FINAL DOCUMENT FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION TONIGHT.
THIS EVENING'S PRESENTATION WILL BEGIN WITH AN OVERVIEW OF THE PROPOSED STREET
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DESIGN STANDARDS BY KIMLEY HORNE, THE CONSULTANT LEADING WITH THE CITYWIDE UPDATE EFFORTS, WHO THEY ARE HERE TONIGHT.I'LL INTRODUCE THEM IN JUST A SECOND.
AS WE'VE MOVED INTO, SORRY, AS WE'VE MOVED IN PREVIOUS PRESENTATIONS, THE STREET DESIGN STANDARDS ARE INTERCONNECTED WITH OTHER CITY POLICIES AND REGULATIONS SUCH AS THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, THE ZONING ORDINANCE, AND SUBDIVISION ORDINANCE.
THESE DOCUMENTS WORK TOGETHER TO GUIDE TRANSPORTATION PLANNING EFFORTS AND REGULATE STREET DESIGN THROUGH THE COMMUNITY INVESTMENT PROGRAM AND THROUGH PRIVATE DEVELOPMENT.
WHEN THAT, UH, PORTION IS DONE, UM, THEN I'LL TURN THE PRESENTATION TO DREW BRONNER, THE LEAD PLANNER, AND HE WILL GIVE AN OVERVIEW OF THE PUBLIC OUTREACH FEEDBACK THAT WE'VE RECEIVED AND SOME OF THE CHANGES THAT WERE MADE IN RESPONSE.
MOST OF THE CHANGES ARE RELATED TO THE DOWNTOWN STREETS PORTION OF THE UPDATE.
NOW THAT I'VE GIVEN A SUMMARY OF THE PRESENTATION OVERVIEW, I'LL TURN IT OVER TO JEFF WHITAKER WITH KIMLEY HOR AND ASSOCIATES.
I'M VICE PRESIDENT AT KIMLEY HORN AND I LEAD OUR TRANSPORTATION PLANNING GROUP.
UM, SINCE THE GO TO THE NEXT SLIDE, OH, I DID SOMETHING WRONG.
IT'S AN EXCITING TIME TO BE A TRANSPORTATION ENGINEER.
UM, ONE OF THE REASONS SINCE 2009, I'VE SEEN MORE DOCUMENTS CHANGE ACROSS THE NATION THAN I HAVE IN THE LAST, THE 10 YEARS PRIOR TO THAT.
UM, SO THIS UPDATE FROM THE 2009 PLANO THOROUGH AFFAIRS STANDARDS IS REALLY TO MAKE SURE IT'S IN COMPLIANCE WITH SOME OF THE NATIONAL BEST PRACTICES AND STANDARDS ARE OUT THERE.
A MAJOR POINT OF RECREATING THE NEW DESIGN MANUALS, MAKING SURE TO IMPLEMENT THOSE LATEST DESIGN STANDARDS AND RESOURCES THAT YOU SEE ON THE SCREEN.
THE VARIOUS POLICIES AND DOCUMENTS THAT WE USE IN THE INDUSTRY WANT TO BE REFLECTED IN IN THIS DOCUMENT.
UM, WE HAD THE OPPORTUNITY TO WORK ON THE STANDARDS AND MANUALS FOR SOME OF THE SURROUNDING COMMUNITIES, AS WELL AS SOME OF THE DOCUMENTS THAT YOU SEE ON, ON THE SCREEN IN FRONT OF YOU.
UM, ONE OF THE THINGS UNIQUE AND THAT'S EXCITING ABOUT, UH, THE CITY OF PLANO IS WHEN THE DOCUMENTS ARE FIRST WRITTEN, PLANO WAS, YOU KNOW, GROWING GREENFIELD DEVELOPMENT.
NOW IT'S IN AN ERA OF LOOKING AT THE EXISTING STREETS.
WHAT IS THE FUTURE? WHAT IS THE RETROFIT? SO THIS DESIGN MANUAL HAD TO ADDRESS THAT.
WHILE IN PREVIOUS DESIGN MANUALS, IT WAS MORE FOCUSED ON WHAT DO NEW STREETS LOOK LIKE? WHAT DO NEW DOCUMENTS LOOK LIKE? SO A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT WHEN YOU WRITE A DESIGN MANUAL FOR A STR FOR A CITY THAT'S REDEVELOPING THE CERTAIN AREAS OF REINVENTING THEIR STREETS.
SO SOME OF THE OVERARCHING PROJECT GOALS THAT WE HAD ON THIS WAS, AS I MENTIONED, TO INCORPORATE THE NATIONAL BEST PRACTICES AND REALLY TO IMPLEMENT GUIDANCE FROM THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
YOU FINISHED A COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AND ONE OF THE ACTION ITEMS IS TO MAKE SURE THAT YOUR VISIONS, YOUR CONFERENCE PLAN SERVES AS AT NORTH STAR TO MAKE SURE THAT THAT'S IN THE DOCUMENT.
REALLY LOOKING AT THE MULTIMODAL STREET NETWORK QUESTION AND THINKING ABOUT CONTEXT SENSITIVE DESIGN, REALLY WHAT THAT MEANS.
THE WORD CONTEXT SENSITIVE IS MAKING SURE THAT YOU'RE THINKING ABOUT THE STREET THAT IT MATCHES THE LAND YOU SURROUND YOU, THAT YOU'RE NOT, YOU KNOW, A STREET AND NEIGHBORHOOD SHOULD BE DIFFERENT THAN A STREET IN A COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT.
ANOTHER THING WAS TO CONSOLIDATE DESIGN STANDARDS.
UM, THERE'S A LOT OF DOCUMENTS A LOT OF CITIES HAVE, AND AS YOU PASS 'EM OVER TIME, SOMETIMES THE ITEMS CAN BE IN MULTIPLE PLACES.
AND IT WAS REALLY TO THINK ABOUT THAT AND MAKE SURE THAT WE PUT THE WHERE THE RIGHT STANDARDS IN THE RIGHT PLACE SO IT'S NOT IN TWO PLACES 'CAUSE THAT GETS HARDER TO ADMINISTER AS YOU GO ALONG.
AND LASTLY, TO IMPROVE USER FRIENDLINESS, AS I'LL SHOW YOU IN THE, UM, OUTLINE, IT'S, YOU KNOW, A LOT OF TIMES PEOPLE, THEY WANT ONE ANSWER WHEN A DEVELOPER COMES IN OR SOMEONE'S LOOKING AT, THEY WANNA BE ABLE TO FIND THAT ANSWER QUICKLY.
SO HOW DO YOU ACTUALLY GO TO THE RIGHT CHAPTER AND FIND THE ANSWER YOU'RE LOOKING FOR? UM, ONE TO, TO CONSOLIDATE ACROSS THE DOCUMENTS.
SO WE SPENT TIME LOOKING AT THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, WHICH IS REALLY WHERE THE THIRD PLAN MAP STANDS.
AND I KNOW THAT THAT'LL BE LATER IN THE PRESENTATION THAT WE TALK ABOUT THAT UPDATE.
BICYCLE TRANSPORTATION PLAN MAP, THE SUBDIVISION ORDINANCE AND THE ZONING ORDINANCE.
AND AS I MENTIONED, WE DOVE A LITTLE DEPTH INTO THE STREET TYPOLOGY.
STREET TYPOLOGY IS ANOTHER WORD FOR THAT, THAT CONTEXT, THE STREET SHOULD CHANGE AS IT GOES THROUGH DIFFERENT CONTEXT.
SO THIS IS THE OVERVIEW, AND I WANTED TO USE THIS SLIDE FOR A FEW REASONS.
ONE, THERE WAS 14 SECTIONS, UM, OUTLINED IN THIS DOCUMENT.
IT'S BEEN POSTED ONLINE FOR QUITE A WHILE.
AND AS YOU CAN SEE, MOST SECTIONS HAVE A FIRST, SECOND, AND THIRD DRAFT.
AND I, I JUST WANNA APPLAUD WORKING WITH THE, THE CITY AND AS WE GO THROUGH THE DOCUMENT, FLIPPING THROUGH THESE MEETING WITH THEM AND, AND THEIR TIME THAT WAS SPENT REVIEWING 'EM AS WELL AS THE PUBLIC AND TRACKING THOSE CHANGES AS WE WENT ALONG.
AND AS MENTIONED, WE'LL GO THROUGH SOME OF THOSE CHANGES WITH YOU IN A LITTLE BIT, BUT THIS WAS, THIS IS HOW IT'S LAID OUT.
AND SO MOST OF THE FOLKS WHO ARE LOOKING FOR CERTAIN ANSWERS CAN GO TO THAT CHAPTER AND GET THAT, THAT, THAT SECTION AND GET THAT ANSWER.
SO ONE OF THE MAJOR TOPICS OF ANY TRANSPORTATION MANUAL IS THE THOROUGHFARE UPDATES, THE STREET UPDATES.
SO, UM, THE STREET FRAMEWORK WAS, WHAT WE REALLY LOOKED AT WAS TO LOOK AT THE OVERALL CROSS SECTION
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AND SPECIAL STREETS.THIS IS NOTHING MORE THAN WHAT THE STREET THE CITY ENVISIONS THESE STREETS TO LOOK LIKE IN THE FUTURE, DEPENDING ON THAT THIRD PLAN MAP AND YOUR COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
ONE THING THAT WAS UNIQUE IS WE WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT THIS STREET DESIGN MANUAL ADDRESSED SOME SPECIAL STREETS.
WHAT ARE SOME OF THOSE SPECIAL STREETS THAT WEREN'T ADDRESSED PREVIOUSLY, SUCH AS A POEO SECTION M MU STREET? THESE ARE NOT STREETS THAT YOU MAY HAVE SEEN 20 YEARS AGO AS OFTEN, BUT YOU'RE SEEING IT AS YOU'RE BEGINNING TO REDEVELOP AND BUILD DIFFERENT TYPES OF PLACES THAT YOU HAVE TODAY.
AND WE WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT GUIDANCE WAS READILY AVAILABLE AND THOSE DESIGN STANDARDS WERE READILY AVAILABLE TO THOSE WHO WANT TO IMPLEMENT THOSE TYPE OF FACILITIES.
THE LAND USE CONTEXT WAS INCREDIBLY IMPORTANT.
UM, WOULD, DIDN'T WANNA APPLY THE SAME RULES AND THE SAME TYPE OF DESIGN AND THE SAME TYPE OF PLACES ACROSS PLANO.
WE ESTABLISH FOUR TYPES OF CONTEXT, NEIGHBORHOOD, COMMERCIAL, CORNER AND MIXED USE.
AND THE CONTEXT DIRECTLY INFECTS THOSE LAND USE CATEGORIES.
SO FOR EVERY CON CROSS SECTION, THERE MIGHT BE A LITTLE BIT OF DIMENSIONAL CHANGE BASED ON THOSE CONTEXT.
IF YOU COULD THINK ABOUT IT IS, YOU KNOW, DOWN SOME OF YOUR, UM, LARGER STREETS, YOU MIGHT HAVE A LITTLE BIT WIDER LANES AND WHEN YOU GET INTO NEIGHBORHOODS, YOU MIGHT HAVE A LITTLE BIT NARROW LANES TO HELP CONTROL THAT SPEED.
AND IT'S, YOU CAN DO THAT BY DESIGN.
SO THAT WAS SOMEWHAT OF THE IDEAL BEHIND THIS.
SO HERE'S AN EXAMPLE JUST TO DIVE A LITTLE BIT DEEPER.
THIS IS LOOKING AT A TYPE F STREET, A TYPICAL SECTION.
AND WHEN YOU LOOK ON THE LEFT, YOU PROBABLY SEE A STREET THAT YOU'RE FAMILIAR WITH THAT YOU SEE A LOT, LOT, A LOT OF NEIGHBORHOODS IN A LOT OF AREAS.
UM, IT'S GOT THE TYPICAL TWO-LANE ROAD, IT'S GOT THE TYPICAL SIDEWALK ON THE SIDE, BUT THAT SAME TYPICAL SECTION, IF IT'S IN A DIFFERENT PART OF THE CITY, MIGHT NEED SOME ON-STREET PARKING OR IT MIGHT NEED TO TIE INTO YOUR HIKE AND BIKE TRAIL PLAN WITH THE, WITH THE, THE, THE, THE BIKE PATH ON THE SIDE.
SO IT'S THE SAME ROAD, DIFFERENT CONTEXT, DIFFERENT LOCATIONS IN THIS MANUAL ADDRESSES THAT FLEXIBILITY TO ALLOW DIFFERENT CROSS SECTIONS TO BE USED AT DIFFERENT PARTS OF THE CITY AS IDENTIFIED ON THE THOROUGHFARE PLAN.
ANOTHER MAJOR TOPIC IS DOWNTOWN STREETS TOOK A DEEP DIVE AND, AND DREW WILL BE DISCUSSING DOWNTOWN STREETS IN A LITTLE BIT, BUT WE TOOK A DEEPER DIVE INTO DOWNTOWN STREETS TO REALLY LOOK AT WHAT THOSE FUTURE CROSS SECTIONS WILL LOOK LIKE.
AS THE DOWNTOWN CONTINUES TO DEVELOP REDEVELOP AS IT HAS BEEN, WE HAD A CHAPTER, A COMPLETE CHAPTER, UM, ADDRESSING INTERSECTION STREET INTERSECTION DESIGN WITH MULTIPLE TYPES OF INTERSECTIONS AND SOME GIBBS AND SOME GUIDANCE ON HOW, WHAT, HOW TO CHOOSE WHAT TYPE OF INTERSECTION, WHAT INTERSECTION THAT SHOULD BE.
ANOTHER MAJOR TOPIC AREA OUTSIDE THE THOROUGHFARE PLAN WAS MULTIMODAL FACILITIES.
THIS IS ONE OF THE PRACTICES THAT HAS REALLY ADVANCED IN THE LAST 15 YEARS, REALLY TO MAKE PEDESTRIAN FACILITIES, BICYCLE IMPLEMENTATION AND TRANSIT OPERATIONS, THE MORE COMFORTABLE FACILITIES.
WE'RE LOOKING AT HOW DOES THE PEDESTRIAN BICYCLE FEEL COMFORTABLE AND THAT COMFORT LEADS TO USE OF THE FACILITIES.
SO WE WENT THROUGH ITEMS SUCH AS MIDBLOCK CROSSINGS WHEN YOU DETERMINE TO HAVE A MIDBLOCK CROSSING AND WHAT DOES THAT MIDBLOCK CROSSING LOOK LIKE, THE DIFFERENT TYPE OF FACILITY, UM, FOR BICYCLES SHOWN ON HERE WITH BUFFER.
AND THEN ALSO, UM, HOW TO ACCOMMODATE TRANSIT APPROPRIATELY.
UM, WE, WE LOOKED AT THE DART, WORKED WITH SOME OF THE DART STANDARDS TO MAKE SURE THAT THE, THE DIFFERENT STANDARDS WOULD ALIGN WITH THE DIFFERENT AGENCIES ACROSS THAT WOULD BE UTILIZING THE TRANSIT FACILITIES.
UM, ANOTHER MAJOR TOPIC AREA THAT WAS OF IMPORTANCE IS THE NEIGHBORHOOD TRAFFIC COMMONING, UM, PROGRAM THAT WE LOOKED AT AS PART OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD TRAFFIC COMMON, WHICH WAS SECTION 13.
IT AIMS TO ADDRESS RESIDENTIAL SAFETY AND LIVABILITY CONCERNS THROUGH REALLY WITH THE COLLABORATION OF NEIGHBORHOODS AND THEN THE OUTREACH PROGRAM AND TO ENSURE THE SUPPORT AND GROWTH THAT PROTECTS THE ENVIRONMENT THAT WE'RE IN THERE.
REALLY, THERE'S A LOT OF THAT CHAPTER THAT TELLS HOW WE'RE GONNA DO THIS AND HOW THE CITIZENS GET INVOLVED.
IT'S KIND OF A HOW-TO MANUAL, HOW TO IMPLEMENT TRAFFIC CALMING.
UM, SOME EXAMPLES, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT THE GUY DOES IS IT LOOKS LIKE IT LOOKS AT DIFFERENT ELEMENTS SUCH AS A BULB OUT TO IZE AN INTERSECTION.
BY SHORTENING THE CROSSWALKS, IT LOOKS AT POTENTIAL RAISE INTERSECTIONS IN THE RIGHT CONTEXT TO SLOW THE SPEED OF VEHICLES TO INCREASE PEDESTRIAN VISIBILITY AND COMPLIMENTS A MIXED USE TYPE OF DEVELOPMENT.
UM, IT ALSO LOOKS AT DIFFERENT DEVICES AND AS WE WERE WORKING WITH THE CITY, UM, REITERATE HOW IMPORTANT IT WAS FOR A CONCERNED CITIZEN TO BE ABLE TO VOICE THEIR OPINION CONCERNING NEIGHBORHOOD TRAFFIC.
AND TOGETHER WE MADE A PROGRAM THAT ALLOWS BOTH ENGINEERING AND THE CITIZENS TO WORK TOGETHER TO COME UP TO A SOLUTION.
SO IT'S A PRETTY DETAILED CHAPTER USING SOME BEST PRACTICES ACROSS THE STATE.
AND WITH THAT, I'LL TURN IT OVER TO DREW.
OKAY, SO AS I MENTIONED, UM, NOW I'LL GIVE AN OVERVIEW OF ITEMS ONE B, ONE C ONE D THROUGH ONE E.
UM, THAT'S BASICALLY A SUMMARY OF THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN CHANGE IS A SUBDIVISION ORDINANCE AND ZONING ORDINANCE CHANGES.
AS DISCUSSED AT THE OCTOBER 17TH PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION MEETING.
THE STREET DESIGN STANDARDS WILL BE USED IN CONJUNCTION WITH THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, THE SUBDIVISION ORDINANCE AND THE ZONING ORDINANCE
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TO REGULATE THE DESIGN AND LOCATION OF STREETS FOR BOTH CITY STREET CONSTRUCTION PROJECTS AND PRIVATE DEVELOPMENT UPDATES ARE NECESSARY TO THESE DOCUMENTS TO HARMONIZE CHANGES RELATED TO CONTEXT SENSITIVE STREET DESIGN, WHICH JEFF WENT OVER AS A INCORPORAT NEWLY INCORPORATED ITEM INTO OUR STREET, UH, NETWORK AND STREET DESIGN.AND ALSO THE CUSTOMIZATION OF DOWNTOWN STREET STANDARDS STAFF WORK TO MAKE SURE THAT THE DOCUMENTS WORK SEAMLESSLY TOGETHER, AVOIDING CONFLICTS AND MAKING APPROPRIATE REFERENCES.
SO THAT'S ALL PART OF THE MAIN, SOME OF THE MAIN GOALS THAT WE HAD GOING IN THIS PROCESS IS IMPROVING USER-FRIENDLINESS, STREAMLINING KINS WHERE POSSIBLE INCORPORATING NATIONAL BEST PRACTICES AS REPORTED IN ITEM ONE B.
THE ASSOCIATED CHANGES TO THE THOROUGHFARE PLAN MAP ARE NEEDED TO IMPLEMENT CONTACT SENSITIVE STREET DESIGN.
THESE CHANGES INCLUDE THE ADDITION OF THE FOUR LAND USE CONTACT ZONES THAT KIMLEY HORN JUST PRESENTED, BUT NOW YOU CAN SEE THEM ON A MAP.
YOU CAN SEE NEIGHBORHOOD CORNER MIXED JUICE AND THE COMMERCIAL CONTEXT, UM, THAT HAVE BEEN ADDED TO THOROUGHFARE PLAN MAP AND A NEW DOWNTOWN STREETS MAP, UM, INSET.
SO THE STREET MAP I'LL GO OVER, BUT YOU CAN SEE THE INSET IN THE BOTTOM LOWER LEFT-HAND CORNER AS ALSO REPORTED IN.
UM, ALL THE CROSS SECTIONS FOR THE VARIOUS STREET TYPES WILL DIFFER BY THE LAND USE CONTEXT.
THE DIMENSIONS CROSS SECTIONS WILL BE RELOCATED FROM THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN TO SECTION TWO OF THE STREET DESIGN STANDARDS IN ITS PLACE DESCRIPTIVE TEXT AND IMAGES OF THE CONTEXT ZONES AND THE FUNCTIONAL CLASSIFICATIONS WILL BE INSERTED INTO THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
THE POWERPOINT SHOWS THE DESCRIPTIONS THAT WILL BE ADDED TO THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
SO THE TWO BOXES ON THE LEFT, THE STREET TYPES ARE DISCUSSED IN DETAIL AS ARE THE FOUR NEW CONTEXT ZONES IN DETAIL.
THE TABLE ON THE RIGHT PROVIDES GUIDANCE ON STREET AMENITIES BASED ON THE ROAD TYPE AND THE CONTEXT.
A NEW DOWNTOWN STREETS, UH, INSET MAP IS NOW INCLUDED WITH THE THOROUGHFARE PLAN MAP TO ACCOUNT FOR THE UNIQUE CHARACTER OF THE DOWNTOWN AREA STREETS.
SO THIS IS A ZOOMED IN IMAGE OF THE THOROUGHFARE PLAN MAP THAT I JUST SHOWED TWO SLIDES AGO.
THIS IS ZOOMED INTO THAT AREA.
AT THE OCTOBER 3RD PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION MEETING STAFF REPORTED THAT THE CITY'S ORIGINAL 1963 COMPREHENSIVE PLAN INCLUDED A SPECIALIZED THOROUGHFARE PLAN FOR THE DOWNTOWN AREA THAT DID NOT FOLLOW THE TYPE A THROUGH G FUNCTIONAL CLASSIFICATION SYSTEM THAT YOU MAY BE FAMILIAR WITH TODAY.
INSTEAD, IT ESTABLISHED SPECIFIC STREET RIGHT OF WAY WIDTHS AND BUILDING SETBACKS UNIQUE TO THE CENTRAL BUSINESS DISTRICT.
THIS SPECIALIZED APPROACH WAS USED UNTIL THE 1986 COMPREHENSIVE PLAN SHIFTED THE ENTIRE CITY TO THE TYPE A THROUGH G STREET CLASSIFICATION THAT WE KNOW TODAY.
AS WITH THE CITYWIDE GOALS THROUGH THE STREET DESIGN STANDARDS AND THE PROJECT OVERALL, THE GOAL IN THE DOWNTOWN WAS TO ALLOW FLEXIBILITY FOR STREETS IN PLANO TO FIT COMMUNITY NEEDS AND DESIRES, AS WELL AS TO EASILY BLEND IN WITH THE SURROUNDING LAND USES SPECIFICALLY IN DOWNTOWN PLANO.
THIS TRANSLATES BY BRINGING BACK A SPECIALIZED STREET RIGHT OF WAY PLAN FOR THE DOWNTOWN AREA.
SIMILAR TO WHAT I UH, MENTIONED PREVIOUSLY, CREATING A TAILORED SET OF STREETS THAT MEET DOWNTOWN'S UNIQUE CHARACTER AND THE UNIQUE DESIGN CHALLENGES, ESTABLISHING ULTIMATE RIGHT OF WAY WIDTHS TO ALLOW FUTURE IMPROVEMENTS.
THIS IS ALSO FOCUSED ON USER FRIENDLINESS AND STREAMLINING REGULATORY DOCUMENTS TO EASE FUTURE DEVELOPMENT PROJECTS.
UTILIZE COMMONLY AVAILABLE RIGHT OF WAY TO MINIMIZE IMPACTS TO OWNERS AND ENHANCE THE STREET SCAPES.
SO BRINGING IN STREET AMENITIES, UM, AND MAKING THINGS MORE WALKABLE TREES, JUST AMENITIES THAT WILL MAKE KIND OF THE DOWNTOWN EVEN MORE UNIQUE THAN IT IS TODAY.
THE TAILORED APPROACH TO THE DOWNTOWN STREETS PLAN IS REMINISCENT OF PREVIOUS PLANS FOR DOWNTOWN, AND IT ALLOWS THE FLEXIBILITY THAT SUPPORTS THE DOWNTOWN CHARACTER.
THE CLASSIFICATIONS FOR STREETS USE ELSEWHERE IN THE CITY.
SO TYPE A, TYPE B, TYPE C DON'T NECESSARILY APPLY IN THE DOWNTOWN.
SO IN THE DOWNTOWN INSET, THE CUSTOMIZED STREET TYPES IN DOWNTOWN INCLUDE DOWNTOWN COUPLET, SO K AND MUNICIPAL AVENUE GATEWAY CORRIDORS.
THESE ARE MAJOR STREETS IN THE DOWNTOWN.
SO IN YOUR PACKET YOU SAW 15TH STREET, G 18TH, ET CETERA, CLASSIFIED AS A GATEWAY CORRIDOR.
WE ALSO HAVE MIXED JUICE, LOCAL AND RESIDENTIAL LOCAL STREETS.
AND THEN WE BROUGHT IN SPECIAL CONDITION STREETS, UH, STREETS LIKE MUSE, UM, AND OTHER, UH, ALLEY WIDTHS.
AND OTHER SPECIAL CONDITIONS ON THIS SLIDE ARE EXAMPLES OF STREET TYPES THAT ARE FOUND IN THE DOWNTOWN PLAN.
THEY ARE AND THEY'RE SPECIALIZED.
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PART, AS THE DOWNTOWN PLAN WENT THROUGH, IT WAS BLOCKED BY BLOCK TO TAKE INTO ACCOUNT OF THE RIGHT OF WAY CONSTRAINTS AND THE SURROUNDING LAND USE CHARACTER, BUT ALSO BRINGING IN, UH, LAND USE GOALS THAT WERE ESTABLISHED IN THE DT CORRIDOR IN THE FUTURE LAND USE, UH, PLAN.NOW I'LL MOVE ON TO ITEM ONE C.
AS OUTLINED IN ITEM ONE C, THE ZONING ORDINANCE WILL REQUIRE CHANGES TO ALIGN WITH THE PROPOSED UPDATES OF THE STREET DESIGN STANDARDS.
SOME OF THE KEY UPDATES INCLUDE MOVING REGULATIONS FROM THE ZONING ORDINANCE INTO THE STREET DESIGN STANDARDS.
UH, MULTIPLE ZONING DISTRICTS INCLUDE STREET DESIGN LANGUAGE.
THE GOAL WAS TO CONSOLIDATE ALL INTO ONE DOCUMENT, AGAIN, IMPROVING USER FRIENDLINESS.
AS DISCUSSED AT THE OCTOBER 3RD PLANNING AND ZONING MEETINGS, STAFF PROPOSED THAT SETBACKS IN THE BG ZONING DISTRICT BE REPLACED WITH A SHY ZONE MEASURE FROM THE OUTSIDE EDGE, UH, OF THE CROSS SECTION.
AND AS YOU MAY RECALL, A SHY ZONE, IT IS PARTICULARLY ALLOWS CERTAIN ENCROACHMENTS THAT CAN CREATE VISUAL INTEREST TO THE STREET.
SO IT ALLOWS THINGS KIND OF WIGGLE ROOM SPACE, EXTRA SPACE FOR PATIO DINING LANDSCAPES, AWNING, IT'S, UH, IF YOU REMEMBER FROM THE PRESENTATION, IT'S THAT AREA, RIGHT, UM, FROM THE MAIN FOR THE PROPERTY LINE WHERE THE BUILDING IS TO KINDA WHERE THAT SIDEWALK OCCURS.
UM, ADDITIONALLY, U M U SETBACKS WERE UPDATED TO MEASURE FROM THE PROPERTY LINE TO CORRESPOND WITH NEW STREET SECTIONS.
AND THEN FINALLY, FOR A TRAFFIC IMPACT ANALYSIS, UH, STAFF PRESENTED CHANGES TO THE TRAFFIC IMPACT ANALYSIS PROCESS AT THE JANUARY 17TH PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION MEETING.
UM, ARTICLE 25 OF THE ZONING ORDINANCE HAS BEEN EDITED TO LIST WHAT CONDITIONS A TRAFFIC STUDY MAY BE REQUIRED.
BUT THE TECHNICAL STEPS TO COMPLETE THE TRAFFIC STUDY ARE NOW IN SECTION 12, UH, TRAFFIC STUDIES OF THE STREET DESIGN STANDARDS.
THESE IMAGES ARE ALSO FROM ITEM ONE C I WANTED TO SHOW THESE.
THESE ARE EXAMPLES OF THE INDOCTOR, UH, INCORPORATION OF THE SHY ZONES INTO THE ZONING ORDINANCE.
NOTABLY, AND I, I I THINK I'VE SAID USER FRIENDLINESS QUITE A BIT, BUT TO IMPROVE USER FRIENDLINESS, UH, THEY'RE THE FIRST GRAPHICS IN THE ZONING ORDINANCE THAT INCORPORATE COLOR.
I THOUGHT THAT WAS A GOOD ADD.
ALSO, UM, THIS SLIDE SHOWS THAT SETBACKS ARE FAIRLY COMPLICATED TO ADMINISTER AT THIS POINT.
SO YOU CAN SEE IT'S KIND OF DIFFICULT TO SEE FROM HERE, BUT THE BLUE ON THE LEFT, IT SHOWS THE REQUIRED, UH, SETBACKS VERY GREATLY BASED ON THE EXISTING CURB LINE AND THE IMAGE ON THE RIGHT SHOWS HOW THE PROCESS CAN BE MADE CLEARER FOR STAFF AND CITIZENS.
SO WHEN YOU, UH, BRING IN THAT CONSISTENT PLAN RIGHT OF WAY, IT'S, IT'S A LITTLE BIT CLEANER.
UH, MOVING ON TO SUBDIVISION ORDINANCE CHANGES, THERE WERE CHANGES MADE TO THE SUBDIVISION ORDINANCE TO RESPOND TO NEW COMPONENTS OF THE STREET DESIGN STANDARDS.
MOST NOTABLY, THE LAND USE CONTEXT ZONES IN THE STREET DESIGN STANDARDS.
UM, AS DISCUSSED IN ITEM ONE D, HIGHLIGHTS INCLUDE NEW SUBSECTIONS THAT HAVE BEEN ADDED AND CREATED FOR TRADITIONAL NEIGHBORHOOD NON-RESIDENTIAL AND MULTIFAMILY, AS WELL AS MIXED USE DEVELOPMENT TYPES.
UM, AN ALLOWANCE WAS ADDED FOR CITY PART PARTICIPATION IN DOWNTOWN STREETS, AND ALSO IT STREAMLINED PRIVATE STREET GUIDELINES AND REQUIREMENTS THAT WERE FOUND IN THE ZONING ORDINANCE.
THE ADOPTION OF THE NEW STREET DESIGN STANDARDS WILL REQUIRE A REPEAL OF THE CURRENT THOROUGHFARE STANDARDS, RULES AND REGULATIONS.
ADDITIONALLY, IN 2022, THE COMMISSION CONDUCTED A REVIEW OF LONGSTANDING POLICY DOCUMENTS.
THERE WERE 32 DOCUMENTS DEEMED OBSOLETE AND ULTIMATELY WERE REPEALED.
ANOTHER SET OF DOCUMENTS WERE EARMARKED FOR REPEAL AS PART OF THE ONGOING PLANNING DEPARTMENT PROJECTS.
THOSE DOCUMENTS EARMARKED WERE THE, UM, INCLUDE THE PRIVATE STREET SUBDIVISION GUIDELINES FROM 1994 AND THE TRAFFIC ISLAND GUIDELINES FROM 1989.
THE TRAFFIC ISLAND GUIDELINES WERE DEVELOPED TO ADDRESS TRAFFIC VOLUME AND SPEED CONCERNS ON RESIDENTIAL STREETS AND TO REDUCE CUT THROUGH TRAFFIC.
THE NEW SECTION 13 OF THE STREET DESIGN STANDARDS PROVIDES UPDATES FOR THE PROCESS FOR REQUESTING TRAFFIC CALMING.
UM, AND NOW THEY EXPLICITLY INCLUDE TRAFFIC ISLANDS AS POSSIBLE TRAFFIC CALMING DEVICES.
SO IF YOU REMEMBER FROM THAT PRESENTATION, THERE WAS A NOW KIND OF PART OF THAT, UH, NEIGHBORHOOD TRAFFIC MANAGEMENT.
AND, UM, ON MY LAST SLIDE SUMMARIZING SECTION ONE E, UH, THE 1994 PRIVATE STREET SUBDIVISION GUIDELINES WERE DEVELOPED TO PROVIDE GUIDANCE, UH, FOR THE DESIGN OF GATED COMMUNITIES.
UM, THE ZONING ORDINANCE AND SUBDIVISION ORDINANCE HAS SINCE BEEN UPDATED TO REQUIRE A SPECIFIC USE PERMIT FOR THE DEVELOPMENT OF SINGLE FAMILY SUBDIVISIONS WITH PRIVATE STREET NETWORKS.
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AND NOW THAT, UH, TREE DESIGN STANDARDS ARE INCORPORATING ALL THE REMAINING GUIDELINES.SO NOW WE'RE GONNA MOVE INTO TALKING ABOUT THE PUBLIC OUTREACH.
UM, YOU SAW IN, IN THE MANY OF THE DOCUMENTS, THERE WAS A LOT OF TECHNICAL SIDE, BUT THERE WAS ALSO A LOT OF WORKING WITH, UM, UH, THE COMMUNITY THROUGH THE WEBSITE.
AND NOW, UH, DREW BRONER LEAD PLANNER WILL DISCUSS THAT PIECE AND THEN ALL COME BACK AND KIND OF CLOSE US OUT.
I'M DREW BRONER LEAD PLANNER WITH THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT.
I'M GONNA HIGHLIGHT THE PUBLIC OUTREACH THAT WAS DONE AS PART OF THIS EFFORT, INCLUDING HIGHLIGHTING SOME OF THE MAJOR FEEDBACK TOPICS AND ADDITIONAL INFORMATION STAFF PROVIDED TO ADDRESS QUESTIONS AND CONCERNS.
SO STARTING WITH AN OVERVIEW OF THE OUTREACH STRATEGIES THAT WE USED, UH, STAFF CREATED A PROJECT WEBSITE TO PROVIDE CONTINUOUS PROJECT UPDATES AS THEY WERE PREPARED.
UH, THIS INCLUDED PROVIDING THE PROJECT OVERVIEW, UH, LINKS TO DRAFT SECTIONS AS THEY WERE COMPLETED.
UH, A PAGE SPECIFIC TO THE DOWNTOWN STREETS COMPONENT, BECAUSE THERE'S A LOT OF INFORMATION RELATED TO THAT.
UH, WE PROVIDED A SECTION OF FREQUENTLY ASKED QUESTIONS.
SO ANY, UH, QUESTIONS, COMMON QUESTIONS THAT WE RECEIVED.
WE PROVIDED A DEDICATED ANSWER AREA TO THE WEBSITE, UM, AND THEN LINKS TO PAST, UH, PLANNING AND ZONING PRESENTATIONS AS THOSE WERE COMPLETED.
WE ALSO WORKED WITH OUR COMMUNICATIONS DEPARTMENT ON SOCIAL MEDIA POSTS, UH, TO STRATEGICALLY, UM, PROMOTE SOME OF THE INFORMATION THAT WAS AVAILABLE, UH, AS WELL AS DEVELOPING A PLANO CITY NEWS VIDEO.
UM, WE ALSO PROVIDED INFORMATION ON, ON THE WEBSITE RELATED TO THE PLANNING AND ZONING, UH, SUMMARY PRESENTATIONS ON THE SPECIFIC TOPICS THAT WE DID DISCUSSION ITEMS ON.
AND THEN WE ALSO, UH, ALLOWED EMAIL CORRESPONDENCE.
WE, UH, ENCOURAGE THOSE WITH QUESTIONS TO EMAIL THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT, UH, ON THE WEBSITE.
WE ALSO DID STRATEGIC OUTREACH FOR THE DOWNTOWN STREETS COMPONENT DUE TO THE UNIQUE NATURE OF THE PROPOSED CHANGES, UH, THAT INCLUDED A PUBLIC OPEN HOUSE ON MARCH 29TH AT THE COURTYARD THEATER.
HERE WE INTRODUCED THE FIRST DRAFT OF THE DOWNTOWN STREETS DESIGN STANDARDS.
AND, UH, TO MAKE IT, UH, A USER-FRIENDLY, UH, FORMAT, WE, UH, PUT ALL OF THE PROPOSED CROSS SECTIONS INTO THREE D FORMAT.
SO YOU COULD SEE HOW A CROSS-SECTION, UH, COULD LOOK LIKE ON ON A GIVEN BLOCK ON VARIOUS STREETS IN DOWNTOWN.
AND IN TOTAL, WE HAD 48 ATTENDEES AT THIS OPEN HOUSE.
IN ADDITION TO THE OPEN HOUSE STAFF MADE PRESENTATIONS AT THE HISTORIC DOWNTOWN PLANO ASSOCIATION MEETINGS, UH, AND WE HAD CONTINUED COMMUNICATION WITH APPROXIMATELY 100 DOWNTOWN STAKEHOLDERS, UH, WHICH TOTALED OVER 270 TOUCHPOINTS, EITHER THROUGH GROUP MEETINGS, INDIVIDUAL MEETINGS, OR EMAILS AND CALLS IN GENERAL, WITH THESE CITYWIDE STANDARDS, WE RECEIVED, UH, MINIMAL FEEDBACK AND MANY COMMENTS WERE OUTSIDE OF THE SCOPE OF THIS DOCUMENT.
UH, FOR EXAMPLE, WE RECEIVED COMMENTS, UH, RELATED TO TRAFFIC HOTSPOT ISSUES OR CONSTRUCTION ISSUES, WHICH AREN'T DIRECTLY ADDRESSED BY THE, UH, UH, STREET DESIGN STANDARDS.
UH, WE DID RECEIVE SOME COMMENTS RELATED TO BICYCLE FACILITIES AND THE DRAFT, UH, STREET DESIGN STANDARDS DO ADDRESS BEST PRACTICES, UH, FOR BICYCLE FACILITY DESIGN IN THE NEW MULTIMODAL FACILITY SECTION.
AND MOST OF THE FEEDBACK THAT WE DID RECEIVE WAS RELATED TO THE DOWNTOWN STREETS COMPONENT.
UH, MANY COMMENTS WERE POSITIVE, PARTICULARLY RELATED TO IMPROVING CONDITIONS FOR PEDESTRIANS, BUT WE ALSO HEARD SOME CONCERNS ABOUT THE IMPACTS OF THE PROPOSED CHANGES, WHICH I'LL COVER ON THE FOLLOWING SLIDES.
SO STARTING WITH WIRED CHANGES NEEDED DOWNTOWN, THE PRIMARY REASON IS THAT THE EXISTING STANDARDS DON'T FIT THE UNIQUE, UH, CHALLENGES OF DOWNTOWN.
WE HAVE ADOPTED PLANS THAT OUTLINE GOALS AND STRATEGIES FOR HOW TO IMPROVE THE DOWNTOWN STREETS, BUT THOSE GOALS HAVE NEVER BEEN TRANSLATED TO OUR STREET DESIGN STANDARDS.
THEREFORE, THE APPROACH HAS BEEN TO NEGOTIATE INDIVIDUAL IMPROVEMENTS BETWEEN THE CITY AND THE DEVELOPER ON A CASE BY CASE BASIS.
SOME OF THE EXAMPLES I'LL HIGH HIGHLIGHT OF HOW OUR CURRENT STANDARDS DO NOT PROVIDE APPROPRIATE DESIGN GUIDANCE FOR DOWNTOWN INCLUDE OUR LOCAL STREETS, THE DOWNTOWN COUPLET 15TH STREET, AND OUR DOWNTOWN BUSINESS GOVERNMENT OR BG DISTRICT SETBACKS.
AND I'LL HAVE INDIVIDUAL SLIDES ON THOSE TOPICS.
SO AS I MENTIONED, WE HAVE PLANNED GOALS FOR CREATING A MULTIMODAL PEDESTRIAN FRIENDLY ENVIRONMENT IN DOWNTOWN PLANO.
THEY DATE BACK TO THE ORIGINAL DOWNTOWN DEVELOPMENT PLAN IN 1991 AND HAVE BEEN UPDATED IN THE 1999 DOWNTOWN VISION AND STRATEGY.
AND AGAIN, WITH THE 2013 UPDATE OF THAT DOCUMENT, SOME OF THE GOALS THAT PROMOTE UNIQUE DOWNTOWN STREET DESIGN SOLUTIONS INCLUDE STREET AS A PLACE, MEANING THAT STREETS DOWNTOWN SHOULD BE DESIGNED TO BE A DESTINATION WHERE PEOPLE WANT TO STAY AND ENJOY THE DOWNTOWN ENVIRONMENT, NOT JUST A PASS THROUGH OF TRIPS GOING TO OTHER DESTINATIONS.
GRID STREETS, MEANING CREATING SMALL BLOCKS TO MAKE WALKING EASIER AND INCREASE THE ROUTE CHOICES, UH, BETWEEN DESTINATIONS, DOWNTOWN, PEDESTRIAN FRIENDLY STREETS, UH, TO CREATE STREETS, UH, THAT INCLUDE DESIGN FEATURES THAT CALM TRAFFIC AND MAKE THE PEDESTRIAN REALM MORE COMFORTABLE.
AND THEN ONE OF THE MORE SPECIFIC STRATEGIES IS TO ADD NEW STREET CONNECTIVITY ALONG JAY AVENUE.
THIS IS IN OUR DOWNTOWN VISION.
UH, THIS PLAN GOAL RECOMMENDS ADDING NEW STREET CONNECTIONS AT 12TH PLACE, 13TH STREET AND
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17TH STREET TO BREAK UP THE LONG BLOCKS ALONG JAY AVENUE AND CREATE A MORE PEDESTRIAN ORIENTED ENVIRONMENT.SO THEN TO HIGHLIGHT HOW OUR CURRENT STANDARDS ARE A MISMATCH FOR THE CURRENT DOWNTOWN CONDITIONS, OUR CURRENT CITYWIDE STANDARDS FOR LOCAL STREETS ARE EITHER TO USE A TWO-LANE TYPE G, WHICH IS ON THE LEFT, UH, THAT'S REALLY INTENDED FOR RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOOD SETTINGS, OR A WIDER TWO-LANE TYPE F ON THE RIGHT, WHICH IS REALLY INTENDED FOR YOUR TYPICAL COMMERCIAL AND MULTI-FAMILY DEVELOPMENTS.
BUT NEITHER OF THESE ARE REALLY APPROPRIATE FOR A MIXED USE SETTING WHERE STREETS SHOULD BE DESIGNED TO ACCOMMODATE GREATER PEDESTRIAN ACTIVITY AND SPACE FOR STREET SCAPE ELEMENTS.
SO TO TAKE A LOOK AT SOME PARTICULAR EXAMPLES DOWNTOWN, HERE'S AN EXAMPLE ON I AVENUE.
UH, THIS STREET MAINTAINS A TYPICAL LOCAL STREET DESIGN, BUT IT SERVES A MIXED USE MULTIFAMILY DEVELOPMENT.
UH, IT'S, IT'S A FUNCTIONAL STREET, YOU CAN, UH, GET THROUGH IT.
UH, TWO, IT'S, IT'S TWO LANES WITH SIDEWALKS.
UM, UH, BUT SOME OF THE PREFERRED DESIGN ELEMENTS, UH, IN A MIXED USE SETTING ARE MISSING, SUCH AS MAKING IT MORE COMFORTABLE.
A TYPICAL MIXED USE LOCAL, UH, WOULD HAVE WIDER SIDEWALKS, UH, WITH SEPARATION FROM THE TRAVEL LANES USING EITHER ON STREET PARKING SPACES OR STREET TREES.
WE DO SEE SOME OF OUR EXISTING STREET STREETS USING SOME OF THE PREFERRED ELEMENTS OF A MIXED USE DESIGN.
UH, AND THOSE HAVE BEEN NEGOTIATED, UH, UH, THROUGH THE DEVELOPMENT PROCESS.
UH, FOR EXAMPLE HERE, G AVENUE NEXT TO RICE FIELD, THE TRAVEL WAY WAS MODIFIED TO PROVIDE SPACE FOR THE PARKING SPACES IN A WIDER SIDEWALK.
THE RESULT IS A STREET DESIGN VERY CLOSE TO THE PROPOSED MIXED USE LOCAL FOR DOWNTOWN.
AND THEN AGAIN ON 15TH PLACE, ANOTHER EXAMPLE WHERE ON-STREET PARKING WAS PROVIDED WITH CURB EXTENSIONS AND STREET TREES SO THAT THE TRAVEL WAY IS A LITTLE NARROWER AND THE PEDESTRIAN AREA FEELS A LITTLE MORE COMFORTABLE.
ANOTHER EXAMPLE HERE IS THE PHARAOH MULTI-FAMILY DEVELOPMENT, WHICH USES DESIGN INTERNAL TO THE SITE, CONSISTENT WITH THE PROPOSED MIXED USE LOCAL, AND THEN EVEN MOVING OUTSIDE OF DOWNTOWN.
UH, WE'RE SEEING DEVELOPMENT USE AS STREET DESIGN.
UH, IT ALSO INCLUDES, UH, OUR OTHER MIXED USE ACTIVITY AREAS.
UH, HERE'S A LOCAL STREET IN HERITAGE CREEKSIDE THAT HAVE THE SAME, UH, DEDICATED PARKING LANES WITH THE CURB EXTENSIONS TO, UH, PROVIDE, UH, MORE SPACE FOR STREET TREES.
AND THEN ANOTHER EXAMPLE IN LEGACY TOWN CENTER.
SO YOU CAN SEE DEVELOPMENT HAS BEEN DRIVING MANY OF THESE WALKABLE DESIGN ALTERNATIVE APPLICATIONS.
UH, NOW WITH THE STREET DESIGN STANDARDS, WE'RE JUST PROPOSING TO MAKE THIS APPROACH THE STANDARD FOR OUR DOWNTOWN AND MIXED USE AREAS.
SO MOVING BEYOND THE LOCAL STREETS.
UM, UH, ANOTHER MISMATCH WITH OUR CITYWIDE STANDARDS IS THE DOWNTOWN COUPLET.
IT'S CURRENTLY ON OUR THOROUGHFARE THOROUGHFARE PLAN CLASSIFIED AS A TYPE C, UH, WHICH IS REALLY MEANT FOR A MEDIAN DIVIDED THOROUGHFARE RATHER THAN TWO PARALLEL ONE-WAY STREETS WITH DEVELOPMENT IN BETWEEN.
ADDITIONALLY, PORTIONS OF KAY AVENUE HAVE ALREADY BEEN REDESIGNED WITH A LANE REDUCTION TO ACCOMMODATE ON STREET PARKING, WHICH INCORPORATES THE GOALS FOR DOWNTOWN STREET DESIGN, BUT WE DON'T HAVE CLEAR DESIGN STANDARDS FOR APPLYING THIS SAME DESIGN ALTERNATIVE TO THE REST OF THE COUPLET.
UH, FURTHER DOWN KAY AVENUE AND THEN ALONG MUNICIPAL AVENUE, THIS RESULTS IN VERY DIFFERENT STREET ENVIRONMENTS, JUST ONE BLOCK APART.
15TH STREET IS ANOTHER MISMATCH IN OUR CURRENT STANDARDS.
IT'S CLASSIFIED AS A TYPE F ON OUR THOROUGHFARE PLAN, WHICH MEANS IF WE WERE TO FOLLOW THAT PLAN, IT SHOULD BE A TWO-LANE ROAD.
BUT OF COURSE, THAT'S NOT HOW IT'S CURRENTLY DESIGNED.
IT'S CURRENTLY DESIGNED AS A FOUR-LANE UNDIVIDED STREET WITH VARYING RIGHT OF WAY AND SIDEWALK CONDITIONS.
AND THIS IMAGE HERE ILLUSTRATES HOW THE RIGHT OF WAY VARIES FROM BLOCK TO BLOCK.
AND IN MANY AREAS WE HAVE RIGHT OF WAY WIDER THAN A TYPICAL TYPE F.
WE KNOW THAT THE INTENT IS NOT ULTIMATELY TO PROVIDE THE STANDARD TYPE F DESIGN HERE, BUT WE DON'T HAVE A, A SPECIFIC GOAL OF WHAT WE'RE WORKING TOWARDS.
UH, SO WITHOUT A PLAN RIGHT OF WAY GOAL BECOMES DIFFICULT TO REQUIRE APPROPRIATE RIGHT OF WAY DEDICATION AS REDEVELOPMENT OCCURS IN THIS AREA.
AND THEN AS MENTIONED BEFORE, IMPROVING THE CONSISTENCY OF SETBACK REQUIREMENTS IS AN IMPORTANT SHORT-TERM NEED OF THIS UPDATE.
BASING IT OFF OF CONSISTENT PLANNED RIGHT OF WAY WOULD PROVIDE SIMPLICITY FOR THE DEVELOPMENT PROCESS.
THEN MOVING INTO TRAFFIC CONCERNS, WE HEARD CONCERNS ABOUT WHAT THE TRAFFIC IMPACTS WOULD BE WITH THE PROPOSED STREET SECTION CHANGES IN DOWNTOWN.
SOME STREETS SUCH AS 15TH AND 14TH ARE RECOMMENDED FOR A LANE REDUCTION, WHICH WOULD FREE UP SPACE FOR AN ENHANCED PEDESTRIAN ORIENTED STREET DESIGN AND ADDITIONAL ON-STREET PARKING.
AND IN WORKING WITH ENGINEERING, UH, WE DETERMINED THE LIMITING, UH, FACTOR REALLY FOR TRAFFIC FLOW IN DOWNTOWN IS MORE AT THE INTERSECTIONS RATHER THAN THE NUMBER OF LANES.
AND THE PROPOSED REDUCTION IN TRAVEL LANES ON 15 AND 14TH ACTUALLY PROVIDE AN OPPORTUNITY TO OPTIMIZE THE INTERSECTIONS WHERE WE SEE SOME, UH, DELAYS TODAY.
CURRENTLY, THE TURNING MOVEMENTS AT THE INTERSECTIONS ARE MIXED IN WITH THE THROUGH LANES.
AND SO WE'LL LOOK, UH, AT 15TH STREET, UH, AS AN EXAMPLE TO START.
SO FOR EXAMPLE, STARTING AT THE G AVENUE INTERSECTION, UH, WE CURRENTLY HAVE TWO EASTBOUND LANES, UH, BUT THE LEFT LANE AT THE INTERSECTION ALSO FUNCTIONS AS A LEFT TURN LANE.
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CONTINUE EAST UNTIL THE DART TRACKS.BUT IN THAT LAST BLOCK, TRAFFIC IS FORCED TO EITHER TURN RIGHT INTO MCCALL PLAZA OR MERGE INTO THE LEFT LANE TO CONTINUE THROUGH DOWNTOWN.
MANY VEHICLES KNOW THIS AND MERGE TO THE LEFT MUCH EARLIER, WHICH MEANS THAT THE RIGHT LANE IS ESSENTIALLY JUST FUNCTIONING AS A LONG, UH, RIGHT TURN LANE.
HOWEVER, THERE ARE ISSUES WITH LAST MINUTE MERGING AT THE TRACKS, WHICH CAN CREATE SOME DELAYS IN SAFETY, SOME DELAYS IN SAFETY CONCERNS.
SO THE PROPOSED LANE MODIFICATION FOR 15TH STREET HELPS TO SIMPLIFY THIS BY MOVING THE MERGE POINT BACK FROM THE DART TRACKS TO THE G AVENUE INTERSECTION.
SO THIS SLIDE HERE IS AGAIN LOOKING AT THE G AVENUE INTERSECTION, BUT WITH THE PROPOSED CHANGES THROUGH TRIPS WOULD CONTINUE IN A SINGLE LANE FROM THIS POINT AND THEN LEFT TURNING VEHICLES WOULD HAVE THEIR OWN DEDICATED TURN LANE, WHICH ALLOWS THE SIGNAL TIMING TO BE IMPROVED AT THIS LOCATION.
RIGHT TURN LANES WOULD CONTINUE TO HAVE A DEDICATED LANE AS CURRENTLY EXISTS.
AND THEN MOVING EAST FROM G AVENUE THROUGH TRIPS CONTINUE ON.
AT THIS POINT, THEY'RE ALREADY IN THEIR SINGLE LANE APPROACHING THE DARK TRACKS.
A CENTER TURN LANE WOULD ALLOW SPACE FOR LEFT TURNING VEHICLES WITHOUT HOLDING UP THROUGH TRAFFIC AND THEN APPROACHING THE DART TRACKS.
A SHORTER RIGHT TURN LANE WOULD STILL BE MAINTAINED TO SEPARATE THE TURNING VEHICLES INTO THE MCCALL PLAZA PARKING AREA.
AND THEN LOOKING AT SOME OF THE ANALYSIS AND BENEFITS OF THESE PROPOSED CHANGES, UH, IT WAS DETERMINED TRAFFIC VOLUMES DO NOT WARRANT THE TWO LANES IN EACH DIRECTION.
THE EXISTING CAPACITY OF THE ROAD IS MORE THAN THE DEMAND WE SEE DURING THE PEAKS.
THE RECAPTURED STREET SPACE WOULD ALLOW FOR STREET SCAPE ENHANCEMENTS AND THEN SAFETY IS IMPROVED AT THE DART RAIL INTERSECTION.
BY SIMPLIFYING THAT MERGING AND INTERSECTION SIGNALIZATION IMPROVEMENT AT G AVENUE IS FORECASTED TO REDUCE WAIT TIMES UP TO 30%.
AND NEXT WE'LL TAKE A CLOSER LOOK AT 14TH STREET.
AND SO HERE WE'RE LOOKING AT THE EXISTING CONDITIONS.
UH, WE CURRENTLY HAVE TWO THROUGH LANES IN EACH DIRECTION, AND THIS PARTICULAR SLIDE IS SHOWING THE CURVE ACROSS THE DART TRACKS GOING TOWARDS K AVENUE, AGAIN, AT THE INTERSECTIONS, TURNING VEHICLES ARE CURRENTLY MIXED IN WITH THROUGH LANES.
SO AS VEHICLES TURN, ANY VEHICLES NEEDING TO GO THROUGH MUST WAIT.
YOU SEE THAT WITH RIGHT TURNS AT KAY AVENUE AND LEFT TURNS AT MUNICIPAL AVENUE.
AND THIS SLIDE HERE ILLUSTRATES THE ISSUE THAT THIS CREATES CURRENTLY, IF YOU'RE TRAVELING EAST ON 14TH STREET, BUT IN THE LEFT LANE, IF THERE'S A LEFT TURNING VEHICLE THAT ESSENTIALLY REDUCES THE THROUGH LANES TO ONE LANE, CARS BEHIND THE TURNING VEHICLE IN THE LEFT LANE MUST EITHER WAIT OR MERGE TO THE RIGHT.
AND THE SAME THING HAPPENS WESTBOUND AT KAY AVENUE.
THE RIGHT LANE CAN CONTINUE THROUGH, BUT THE LEFT LANE IS SHARED WITH LEFT TURNING VEHICLES.
SO ANY TURNING VEHICLES CAN CREATE DELAYS FOR THROUGH VEHICLES THAT ARE STACKED BEHIND THAT TURNING VEHICLE.
SO ESSENTIALLY WHAT WE'RE SHOWING HERE IS DESPITE THERE BEING FOUR LANES IN THIS SECTION, IT'S ESSENTIALLY FUNCTIONING AS JUST TWO THROUGH LANES IN THE OUTER LANES AND TWO INNER TURN LANES.
AND SO THIS SLIDE ILLUSTRATES THE PROPOSED STREET DESIGN CHANGE FOUR 14TH IN THIS AREA, STARTING FROM THE CURVE AT THE DART TRACKS, THE EXTRA EASTBOUND THROUGH LANE WOULD BECOME A RIGHT TURN LANE FOR J AVENUE TO TRANSITION TO A SECTION WITH ON STREET PARKING AND THROUGH TRIPS WILL CONTINUE IN THE SINGLE THROUGH LANE.
AND THIS TRAFFIC PATTERN WOULD, WOULD CONTINUE EASTBOUND WITH DEDICATED TURN LANES AT KAY AVENUE AND MUNICIPAL TO SEPARATE OUT THE TURNING VEHICLES.
AND THEN THE SAME TRAVEL PATTERN WOULD OCCUR WITH WESTBOUND TRIPS.
SO DEDICATED TURN LANES AT THE INTERSECTIONS WITH WITH A SINGLE CONTINUOUS THROUGH TRAVEL LANE.
AND THEN THIS SLIDE ILLUSTRATES A COMPARISON BETWEEN THE EXISTING FOUR LANE SECTION AND THE PROPOSED THREE LANE SECTION AND HOW THIS ACCOMMODATES THE SAME INTENDED TRAFFIC PATTERN, BUT IT FREES UP STREET SPACE FOR PEDESTRIAN FRIENDLY ELEMENTS SUCH AS WIDER SIDEWALKS ON STREET PARKING AND STREET SCAPING.
AND THEN SOME OF THE, UH, ANALYSIS SUMMARY FOR 14TH STREET TRAFFIC VOLUMES, AGAIN, DO NOT WARRANT TWO LANES IN EACH DIRECTION.
THE EXISTING CAPACITY OF THE ROAD IS MORE THAN THE DEMAND WE SEE DURING THE PEAKS.
THE PROPOSED DESIGN CHANGE OPERATES FUNCTIONALLY THE SAME AS EXISTING CONDITIONS.
PEDESTRIAN SAFETY AND COMFORT IS IMPROVED BY NARROWING THE INTERSECTIONS AND MORE SPACE IS PROVIDED FOR STREET SCAPE ENHANCEMENTS THEN SPECIFICALLY FOR 14TH STREET EAST OF MUNICIPAL, THREE CROSS SECTION OPTIONS HAVE BEEN PROVIDED IN RESPONSE TO CONCERNS ABOUT TRAFFIC FLOW IN THIS PORTION OF 14TH STREET.
ALL CROSS-SECTION OPTIONS ARE DESIGNED TO WORK IN THE SAME RIGHT OF WAY WIDTH, SO THE ULTIMATE BEST OPTION CAN BE SELECTED LATER FOLLOWING ADDITIONAL TRAFFIC STUDY.
NOW WE'LL TOUCH ON THE FUTURE STREET CONNECTIONS IDENTIFIED ON THE DOWNTOWN PLAN INSET.
THE PROPOSED DOWNTOWN STREETS PLAN INCLUDES FUTURE EXTENSIONS OF F AVENUE 12TH PLACE, 13TH STREET, O AVENUE, AND P AVENUE.
THESE ARE INTENDED TO REINFORCE THE STREET GRID BY ENHANCING CONNECTIVITY, INCREASING WALKABILITY, AND CREATING NEW STREET FRONTAGE OPPORTUNITIES TO SUPPORT DOWNTOWN'S GROWTH AND REDEVELOPMENT.
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WITH EXISTING STREETS WHERE POSSIBLE AND ARE CONSISTENT WITH SHORTER BLOCK LENGTH REQUIREMENTS FOR PEDESTRIAN ORIENTED AREAS IN THE CITY'S SUBDIVISION ORDINANCE.IT'S ALSO CONSISTENT WITH PAST PLANNING POLICIES THAT RECOMMEND ADDING CONNECTIVITY TO THE DOWNTOWN STREET GRID.
SOME PROPERTY OWNERS HAVE EXPRESSED CONCERNS ABOUT THE POTENTIAL IMPACTS OF SHOWING THESE FUTURE CONNECTIONS ON THE THOROUGHFARE PLAN MAP, THE NEED AND BENEFIT OF THE CONNECTIONS ARE NOT WIDELY DISPUTED, BUT IMPLEMENTATION RELATED QUESTIONS HAVE BEEN RAISED ABOUT IMPACTS ON LONG-TERM LEASING AND FINANCING OF EFFECTIVE PROPERTIES, THE TIMING OF THE IMPROVEMENTS AND THE PUBLIC VERSUS PRIVATE RESPONSIBILITY FOR FUNDING AND CONSTRUCTING THE ROADWAYS.
IT HAS BEEN SUGGESTED THAT THE CITY SHOULD COMMIT NOW TO ACQUIRING THE NECESSARY RIGHT OF WAY AND FULLY FUNDING AND CONSTRUCTING THE STREETS.
WITHOUT SUCH COMMITMENT, THE FUTURE STREETS SHOULD BE REMOVED AS THEY WOULD RAISE TOO MANY UNANSWERED QUESTIONS ABOUT HOW FUTURE REDEVELOPMENT WILL BE IMPACTED.
WHILE VALID QUESTIONS HAVE BEEN RAISED ABOUT THE CHALLENGES THE FUTURE STREETS MAY POSE TO SHORT-TERM PRIVATE PROPERTY INTERESTS, THE CITY HAS A RESPONSIBILITY TO PLAN FOR THE OVERALL COMMUNITY'S LONG-TERM INTERESTS.
REMOVING THE STREETS WHEN NOT NECESSARILY REMOVE THE OBLIGATION FOR FUTURE STREET CONNECTIONS AS MAXIMUM BLOCK BLOCK LENGTH REQUIREMENTS IN THE SUBDIVISION ORDINANCE WOULD STILL NEED TO BE MET FOR LARGE SCALE REDEVELOPMENT.
IF THE GREATER PUBLIC INTEREST IS SERVED BY INCREASING CONNECTIVITY DOWNTOWN, THE CITY SHOULD BE TRANSPARENT ABOUT ITS FUTURE PLANS FOR INCLUDING THESE NEW STREET CONNECTIONS ON THE MAP AND EQUITABLE IN RELYING UPON ESTABLISHED CITY PROCEDURES AND PROTECTIONS UNDER THE LAW TO PROTECT PRIVATE PROPERTY INTERESTS.
MOVING ON TO QUESTIONS ABOUT CITY VERSUS PROPERTY OWNER RESPONSIBILITIES.
THIS HAS ALSO BEEN RAISED IN RESPONSE.
SUBDIVISION ORDINANCE CHANGES INCLUDE COMMITMENT OF OF CITY TO REIMBURSE FOR RIGHT OF WAY ACQUISITIONS AND FUND STREET IMPROVEMENTS.
LONG-TERM IMPROVEMENTS TO DOWNTOWN COUPLAND AND GATEWAY CORRIDORS WOULD BE DEFERRED TO FUTURE C I P PROJECTS.
AND ALSO SMALL SCALE REDEVELOPMENTS SHOULD NOT TRIGGER STREET IMPROVEMENTS.
THIS IS AN ISSUE WITH THE DEVELOPMENT PROCESS OVERALL, NOT SPECIFIC TO DOWNTOWN STREETS.
AND THIS IS OUTSIDE THE SCOPE OF THE PROJECT AND COULD BE CONSIDERED AS PART OF UPCOMING ZONING AND SUBDIVISION ORDINANCE, COMPREHENSIVE UPDATES.
AND THEN FINALLY, I'LL END WITH THE TIMING OF IMPROVEMENTS.
SO IN SUMMARY, IN THE SHORT TERM, THESE PROPOSED CHANGES WOULD RESULT IN RIGHT OF WAY DEDICATION, UH, OCCURRING ON ALL STREETS AS REDEVELOPMENT OCCURS TO ALLOW FOR FUTURE C I P DRIVEN IMPROVEMENTS, THIS ENSURES THAT WE'RE NOT LIMITING OURSELVES FROM MAKING IMPORTANT STREET IMPROVEMENTS DOWN THE LINE BY NOT PLANNING FOR FUTURE CONDITIONS.
RECONSTRUCTION ON LOCAL STREETS WOULD STILL OCCUR AT THE TIME OF REDEVELOPMENT AND SIDEWALK AND STREET TREE IMPROVEMENTS WOULD STILL BE REQUIRED ON MAJOR STREETS.
AND THEN IN THE LONG TERM, UH, MAJOR STREET REDESIGNS WOULD OCCUR AND WOULD NEED TO BE PROGRAMMED IN RECONSTRUCTED THROUGH THE C I P.
THERE ARE NO IMMEDIATE OR SHORT-TERM PLANS TO RECONSTRUCT MAJOR ROADWAYS AND ADDITIONAL STUDIES MAY BE NEEDED TO DETERMINE THE FINAL DESIGN.
AND SO NOW I'LL TURN IT BACK TO JASON FOR THE CLOSING SUMMARY.
THE STREET DESIGN STANDARDS RESPOND DIRECTLY TO MULTIPLE COMPONENTS OF THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AND MOVE FORWARD WITH ESTABLISHED COMMUNITY GOALS RELATED TO THE ROADWAY SYSTEM IN PLANO.
YOU CAN SEE ON THE SLIDE, UH, CORE, UM, COMPREHENSIVE PLAN POLICIES THAT ARE SPECIFICALLY CALLED OUT IN THE STAFF REPORTS AND ARE SUPPORTED BY THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AS WELL AS ACTIONS IN THE GRAY, UH, BUBBLES BELOW.
THE COMPREHENSIVE OVERHAUL OVERHAUL OF THE CITY'S STREET DESIGN STANDARDS WAS A TWO YEAR PROCESS THAT REQUIRED COLLABORATION ACROSS MULTIPLE DEPARTMENTS AS A BEST PRACTICE STAFF PLANS TO MONITOR THE IMPLEMENTATION OF THE STANDARDS AND RETURN TO THE COMMISSION NEXT YEAR IN ORDER TO ASSESS POTENTIAL UPDATES AND, UM, CHANGES AS NECESSARY.
STAFF RECOMMENDS THAT THE COMMISSION APPROVE AS SUBMITTED, UM, ITEMS ONE A THROUGH ONE D AND APPROVE ITEM ONE E SUBJECT TO CITY COUNCIL ADOPTION ON THE FIRST FOUR ITEMS. SO, UH, THAT WAS A LOT OF, UH, INFORMATION AND WE'RE HERE TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTIONS AND THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME.
UM, LIKE YOU SAID, A LOT OF MATERIAL, THANKFULLY, AT LEAST FOR US, WE'VE SEEN THIS IN SECTIONS THROUGHOUT THE LAST YEAR AND A HALF.
AND, UM, I THINK SOME OF IT WAS EVEN DISCUSSED, UH, WHEN WE BROKE INTO SUBCOMMITTEES AND WENT THROUGH AND EVALUATED WHICH WERE THE PRIORITIES.
AND THIS WAS ONE OF THEM OBVIOUSLY.
SO APPRECIATE, UH, STAFF'S VERY THOROUGH WORK ON THIS AND THE OUTSIDE CONSULTANT APPRECIATE, UH, YOU HELPING US WITH YOUR INPUT, UH, ON ALL THESE ITEMS. SO, UH, DO WE HAVE SPECIFIC QUESTIONS FOR STAFF ON ANY OF THESE ITEMS? MR. RATLIFF FOLLOWED BY COMMISSIONER TOM.
UM, FIRST OF ALL, IMPRESSIVE BODY OF WORK.
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I'VE TRAVELED THE COUNTRY BUILDING THINGS AND I HOPE MORE CITIES WOULD'VE A DOCUMENT LIKE THIS BECAUSE IT REALLY KINDA LAYS OUT THE RULE BOOK.UM, COUPLE OF THINGS THAT, UH, I JUST HAD FOLLOW UP QUESTIONS ON.
FIRST OF ALL, THERE'S A EXHIBIT IN THERE ABOUT CURB ACTIVATION.
IS THAT PART OF THIS NEW, KIND OF, SOME OF THE NEW STANDARDS WHERE YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT DIFFERENT ZONES OF CURB ACTIVATION? THAT WAS VERY ENLIGHTENING TO ME.
WANNA ANSWER THAT? I ARE YOU, I THINK YOU'RE REFERRING, ARE YOU REFERRING TO SECTION NINE WHERE WE TALK ABOUT THE MULTIMODAL, I DIDN'T MAKE A NOTE OF IT, BUT YOU HAD ZONES FOR TRANSIT ZONES, FOR UBER ZONES, FOR PARKING ZONES FOR, AND IT WAS COLOR CODED.
IT WAS VERY EDUCATIONAL FOR ME, IT'S SECTION 14, I THINK.
UH, WHAT, IT'S ONE OF THE BEST PRACTICES ACROSS THE NATION.
YOU'LL PROBABLY START SEEING IT MORE AS YOU TRAVEL AROUND.
UM, IT'S WHEN YOU HAVE CURBSIDE SPACE, IT'S SOME OF THE, COULD BE SOME OF THE MOST VALUABLE SPACE AND MAXIMIZING THAT SPACE WHEN YOU GET TO SOME PLACES, YOU KNOW, UM, IF YOU THINK OF PROPER SPACES, LOADING INTERFERES WITH, UBER INTERFERES WITH PARKING FOR THE RESIDENTS.
SO HOW DO YOU MANAGE THAT SPACE? AND SOME PLACES YOU MIGHT WANT TREES LIKE THAT YOU SEE IN THE IMAGES THERE.
SO IT'S REALLY DEVELOPING A PLAN TO MANAGE THAT CURBSIDE IS TO ACHIEVE THE GOALS OF WHATEVER THAT DEVELOPMENT IS.
SO IT'S KIND OF A PROBABLY RECENT, UM, BEST PRACTICE OVER THE LAST ABOUT FIVE YEARS.
IT, THE REASON I ASK THAT QUESTION IS BECAUSE, UM, COMING IN UP AND DOWN 15TH, MULTIPLE TIMES DAILY, UM, I THINK WE NEED TO TAKE A LOOK AT, ESPECIALLY THE AREA BETWEEN DART AND H I GUESS IT IS A LOT OF DELIVERIES HAPPENING IN THAT CORRIDOR.
A LOT OF, UH, TENANTS MOVING IN AND OUT.
A LOT OF LOADING AND UNLOADING GOING ON THROUGH THERE.
AND, UM, AS WE TALK ABOUT THAT STREET CROSS SECTION, I THINK WE REALLY NEED TO STUDY THAT ACTIVATION COMPONENT SPECIFICALLY FROM A LOADING AND UNLOADING PERSPECTIVE IN ADDITION TO THE PARKING PERSPECTIVE.
'CAUSE I THINK THAT, AND ALSO, UM, 14TH PARTS OF 14TH HAVE THE SAME CHALLENGE AND PARTS OF, UH, 16TH HAVE THE SAME CHALLENGE AS WELL.
LOADING AND UNLOADING ARE A CONSTANT ISSUE ON THOSE CORRIDORS.
SO, UM, BUT IT, IT CERTAINLY OPENS UP THAT OPPORTUNITY TO HAVE THAT DISCUSSION.
UM, THE GEOMETRIC STANDARDS, I KNOW LOOKING AT SOME OF THOSE, THEY, THEY HAVE EVOLVED SLIGHTLY FROM KIND OF WHAT'S BEEN TRADITIONAL, AT LEAST IN MY EXPERIENCE.
UM, WHAT PERCENTAGE WOULD YOU SAY, I MEAN, I KNOW WE'VE GOT SOME CURB RADIUS THINGS THAT MIGHT HAVE CHANGED A LITTLE BIT, BUT THEY DIDN'T SEEM LIKE MAJOR DEVIATIONS FROM WHAT'S BEEN BUILT HERE FOR THE LAST HOWEVER MANY YEARS.
UM, ARE THERE ANY, ANY SPECIFIC MAJOR DEVIATIONS ON GEOMETRIC STANDARDS, CURB, YOU KNOW, CURB RADIUS', INTERSECTION SIZES, ANYTHING THAT YOU WOULD SINGLE OUT AS MA A MAJOR CHANGE IN GEOMETRIC CHANGES? I THINK HOLISTICALLY ON THEM, GEOMETRIC, THEY'RE NOT MAJOR CHANGES.
I THINK IT'S MORE ABOUT LOOKING AT THE CONTEXT AND WHEN YOU THINK ABOUT THE CONTEXT, YOU WANT DIFFERENT SPEEDS.
SO MOST OF THE CHANGES IS LOOKING AT THE SPEED AND DESIGNING THE APPROPRIATE GEOMETRIC CHANGES.
THERE'S SOME MINOR CHANGES IN THE, UH, AS ASTO, WHICH IS KIND OF THE NATIONAL GUIDE HAS EVOLVED OVER THE YEARS.
THERE'S BEEN SOME MINOR TWEAKS AND CHANGES TO THAT.
BUT HOLISTICALLY, IT KIND OF GOES DOWN TO WHAT SPEED AND WHAT CONTEXT THE LAND USES AROUND THERE.
SO JUST THE LITTLE TWEAKS CAN MAKE A BIG DIFFERENCE THOUGH.
LIKE I SAID, I DIDN'T SEE ANYTHING MAJOR, BUT THAT'S PROBABLY WHY.
AND THEN FINALLY, A QUESTION ABOUT THE SHY ZONES, WHICH IS A, A TERM I KNOW WE'VE TALKED ABOUT IN SOME PREVIOUS MEETINGS, UM, JUST TO MAKE SURE I'M UNDERSTANDING.
SO THE SHY ZONES ARE KIND OF AREAS YOU CAN PROTRUDE INTO THAT ARE OUTSIDE OF THE SETBACK FOR PATIOS AND STOOPS AND ALL THAT.
IS THERE ANY GUIDELINES ON THAT AS TO WHAT PERCENTAGE OF THE SHY ZONE CAN BE USED? IS IT A 50% KIND OF BALLPARK IDEA OF HOW MUCH OF THAT SHY ZONE CAN BE USED OR, 'CAUSE OBVIOUSLY YOU DON'T WANT SOMEBODY BUILDING ALL THE WAY TO THE LINE ALL THE WAY THROUGH THE SHY ZONE.
SO IS THERE ANY BEST PRACTICES ON SHY ZONE UTILIZATION AT THE GROUND LEVEL? I AM NOT AWARE.
SO YOU'RE ASKING WITHIN THAT SHY ZONE SPACE, THAT DEDICATED SPACE, HOW MUCH OF THAT SPACE COULD BE FOR DOORS, OPENING AWNINGS, PATIO SEATING, RIGHT, AS OPPOSED TO LANDSCAPING, YOU KNOW, SOMETHING SOFTER.
I MEAN, OBVIOUSLY AT THE HIGHER LEVELS YOU'RE HANGING OVER, SO IT'S NOT A BIG ISSUE.
BUT AS A PEDESTRIAN, AS YOU'RE WALKING THROUGH THERE, I REALIZE THAT'S INTENDED TO PROVIDE SOME ARTICULATION AND SOME, UM, CHARACTER AT THE GROUND LEVEL.
IS THERE, ARE THERE ANY GUIDELINES? IS THAT A 25, 50, 70 5% KIND OF UTILIZATION? IT'S 50%, IT'S 50, ITS KINDA 50% STANDARD PRACTICE? OR IS THAT IN THE OR ACTUAL ORDINANCE? THAT'S IN THE ORDINANCE.
I, I I I, I DID NOT READ EVERY WORD.
SO I, I'LL BE THE FIRST TO CONFESS.
UM, ALRIGHT, THAT'S, UM, THAT'S ALL MY QUESTIONS FOR NOW.
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UM, THE FIRST QUESTION, I HAVE TWO QUESTIONS.THE FIRST QUESTION IS THAT I REALIZE, UH, WELL BEFORE THAT, THANK YOU FOR THE PRESENTATION, EVERYBODY.
AND LIKE I SAID MANY TIMES BEFORE THAT I LOVE THE COLORS AND THE FRIENDLINESS OF THE PRESENTATION AND THE KNOW ORDINANCE THAT, YOU KNOW, PUT DIFFERENT COLORS FOR PEOPLE, TOO EASY TO READ.
THAT'S VERY IMPORTANT TO ME, I THINK TO A LOT OF OUR CITIZENS.
UM, MY FIRST QUESTION IS REGARDING, UM, MAYBE FUTURE TRANSPORTATION NEEDS, BECAUSE THINK ABOUT NOW WE'RE REWRITING OR AMENDING OUR ORDINANCE THAT WAS ESTABLISHED MAYBE 15 YEARS AGO.
SO MAYBE THE NEXT TIME WE DO THIS TYPE OF WORK WILL BE ANOTHER 10, YOU KNOW, DOZEN YEARS LATER, BETWEEN NOW AND THEN.
THERE COULD BE, YOU KNOW, NO MAN CARS OR, UH, LIKE DRONE ALL OVER THE PLACE, OR IS THERE ANY THOUGHTS OR, UM, DESIGN REQUIREMENTS THAT WE HAVE CONSIDERED INTO OUR STREETS OR OUR ORDINANCE NOW TO ACCOMMODATE, UH, LIKE A AUTOMATED CAR THAT NOBODY'S DRIVING OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT? THE STANDARDS DON'T SPECIFICALLY ADDRESS FUTURE TRANSPORTATION MODES.
UM, IT DOES INCORPORATE, UH, KIND OF STANDARD PRACTICES FOR TRANSIT THAT'S EXISTING NOW.
AND WITH THE CURBSIDE FLEX FLEX ZONE, IT DOES HAVE SOME MORE FLEXIBILITY.
BUT I THINK AS A TECHNOLOGY ARRIVES, I THINK WE NEED TO COME BACK AND DISCUSS IF WE WOULD NEED TO CHANGE ANYTHING OR UPDATE BRIAN SHUKI TRANSPORTATION ENGINEERING MANAGER.
SO, TO, TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENTLY, THIS DOCUMENT IS NOT REALLY THE, THE PLACE TO DISCUSS AUTONOMOUS VEHICLES.
AND I WILL SAY THAT WHEN WE GET TO THAT POINT WHERE AUTONOMOUS VEHICLES ARE PREVALENT, WE WILL HAVE TO MAKE ONE MAJOR CHANGE THAT WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO GO FROM BUTTONS ON OUR ROADWAYS TO STRIPES, BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT AUTONOMOUS VEHICLES TRIGGER ON ARE THE STRIPES.
AND THEN WE'D HAVE TO MAKE SURE ALL THE SIGNING IS UPDATED APPROPRIATELY.
SO THAT'S ACTUALLY IN A COMPLETELY DIFFERENT DOCUMENT OUTSIDE OF THIS DOCUMENT.
UM, MY SECOND QUESTION WAS ACTUALLY VERY RELATED OR SIMILAR TO WHAT, UH, UH, COMMISSIONER IFF SAID REGARDING THE DOWNTOWN STREETS AND PARKINGS.
AND I'M ACTUALLY, I WAS HAPPY TO HEAR, YOU KNOW, ANOTHER PERSON WHO'S CONCERNED ABOUT THE SAME THING THAT I, I WAS CONCERNED ABOUT IS THE INTERSECTION OF THAT DARK LINE AND 15TH STREET.
UH, YOU MENTIONED THAT THERE, YOU HAVE CHANGED THE, UM, THE TURN LANE SO THAT PEOPLE CAN TURN INTO THE MCCALL PLAZA OR DOWN THROUGH THE, UM, DOWNTOWN AREA.
MY CONCERN WAS, I THINK I RA RAISED THIS QUESTION A COUPLE MEETINGS BEFORE REGARDING THE PARKING AREAS, AND COMMISSIONER IFF ALSO MENTIONED THE UNLOADING AREAS THAT WHEN PARKING SPOT OPEN UP AND PEOPLE WILL STOP, UM, SUDDENLY THROUGH TRAFFIC.
AND, BUT THE PEOPLE BEHIND IT, USUALLY WITH A DRIVING, YOU KNOW, HAPPEN, YOU EXPECT THE TRAFFIC TO FLOW WHEN YOU DON'T SEE A TRAFFIC LIGHT, RIGHT? BUT WHEN PEOPLE STOP SUDDENLY LIKE THREE CARS IN FRONT OF YOU, YOU DIDN'T KNOW WHY.
YOU KNOW, IF THERE, IF THERE'S A RAILWAY AND THERE'S A INTERSECTION, THERE SHOULDN'T BE ANY PARKING ALLOWED OR ANY STOPPING ALLOWED, UH, IN CERTAIN FEET WITHIN THAT RAIL RAIL LINE BECAUSE PEOPLE HAVE NO OTHER, THEY, THEY CAN'T HELP IT.
SO THAT'S A VERY, UM, VERY CONCERNING TO ME.
TO YOUR, TO YOUR QUESTION, UM, THE STREET DESIGN STANDARDS, THEY SET OUT THE DESIGN AND REQUIREMENTS TO HELP PREVENT A SITUATION LIKE A CAR STOPPING ON THE DART LINE, BUT, UM, IT WOULD BE MORE OF A CITATION OR AN OTHER ORDINANCE TYPE ISSUE FOR THAT INSTANCE, YOU KNOW, TO NOT PARK OR STOP ON THE DART LINE.
WOULD THERE BE ANY STREET DESIGN INVOLVED ELEMENTS THAT CAN AVOID THAT FROM HAPPENING IN THE FUTURE? WELL, FOR, FOR A DART, SO A CAR STOPPING ON DART, THEY, THEY WOULDN'T BE ALLOWED ANYWAY.
UM, I, I'M SURE THERE'S THINGS THAT WE COULD DO TO HELP KIND OF PREVENT CARS, NOT KNOWING THAT THEY'RE STUCK THERE.
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SOUNDS OR SOMETHING ELSE LIKE THAT I WOULD THINK WOULD BE PART OF THE PROCESS.BUT THAT'S A, THAT'S A GOOD QUESTION.
I MEAN, SAFETY'S REALLY IMPORTANT, ESPECIALLY WITH THE DART RAIL AND QUEUING THAT CAN HAPPEN AT, AT AROUND ANY, UH, DART LINE.
WOULD IT BE REASONABLE TO ASK THAT, UH, SOMETHING BE PUT THERE THAT SAYS, BE PREPARED TO STOP TRAFFIC IN FRONT OF YOU, MAY STOP SUDDENLY.
ANYTHING THAT JUST GIVES PEOPLE A LITTLE BIT OF AN ALERT? 'CAUSE I'M COMPLETELY FAMILIAR WITH WHAT SHE'S TALKING ABOUT.
I'VE SEEN IT HAPPEN NUMEROUS TIMES.
YOU'RE VERY ANXIOUS FOR A DOWNTOWN SPOT TO PARK AND YOU SEE SOMEBODY GET IN THEIR CAR SO YOU STOP AND THE TRAFFIC BUILDS UP BEHIND YOU AND SOMEBODY WASN'T EXPECTING THE CAR IN FRONT OF 'EM TO STOP 'CAUSE THERE'S NO LIGHT.
THEY CAN SEE IT, IT'S GREEN, WAY UP THERE LIGHTS, SO YOU'RE RIGHT ON THE CAR BEHIND YOU AND YOU DON'T EVEN THINK, HEY, I'M GOING OVER A DART RAIL.
UM, SO I, I THINK IT'S WORTHWHILE TO FIGURE THAT OUT.
THAT'S NOT SOMETHING WE WOULD ADDRESS IN THIS ORDINANCE, BUT IT IS MAYBE A TRAFFIC ISSUE THAT WE COULD LOOK TO.
YOU KNOW, ONE THING THAT I JUST THOUGHT OF THAT MIGHT BE HELPFUL.
SO THE NEW, UM, NEIGHBORHOOD TRAFFIC MANAGEMENT THAT, YOU KNOW, IT'S, IT'S FOR THE CITYWIDE, BUT IT DOES PROVIDE CLEARER GUIDELINES WHEN A SITUATION ARISES WHERE, UM, CITIZENS ARE NOTICING UNSAFE VEHICLE, THEY WOULD BE ABLE TO, UM, NOTIFY THE CITY, THE CITY WOULD BE, YOU KNOW, KNOW ABOUT IT AND BE ABLE TO INVESTIGATE AND FIND A SOLUTION.
SO THROUGH THE NEIGHBORHOOD TRAFFIC MANAGEMENT PROCESS, THERE WOULD BE A SOLUTION IN THAT CASE.
THANK YOU COMMISSIONER KERRY? YEAH.
UM, I HAVE TO ECHO, I MEAN, THAT'S, UH, AN IMPRESSIVE DOCUMENT.
UM, THERE'S, THERE'S A LOT IN THERE AND A LOT OF IT'S LAYERED IN TOGETHER, WHICH MAKES IT COMPLEX.
UM, AND SO, YOU KNOW, KUDOS TO YOU GUYS FOR PUTTING IT TOGETHER.
UM, I'VE, I'VE GOT A FEW QUESTIONS, YOU KNOW, AND ONE OF THEM, I'M GONNA COME BACK TO WHAT YOU SAID ABOUT THIS DOCUMENT MAY NOT ANTICIPATE FUTURE NEEDS BASED ON AUTONOMOUS VEHICLES AND THINGS, BUT THIS DOES TALK ABOUT PARKING AND THINGS LIKE THAT.
SO I'M NOT SURE I AGREE WITH YOU BECAUSE I THINK PARKING NEEDS VERY, COULD REALLY CHANGE TREMENDOUSLY AS OWNED VEHICLES CHANGE AND AUTONOMOUS VEHICLES BECOME MORE IMPORTANT OR, YOU KNOW, I MEAN, WE'RE DOWN THE ROAD, BUT FLYING VEHICLES AND ALL THAT, AND CERTAINLY THAT'S BEYOND WHERE WE ARE NOW.
BUT, BUT I DO THINK THE PARKING ISSUE COULD BE PART OF IT.
SO I, I SEE IT A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENTLY THAT ALTHOUGH I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE SAYING.
UM, AND TO THAT END, YOU KNOW, ONE OF THE THINGS THIS TALKS A LOT ABOUT IS, UM, IMPROVING FLOW AND REDUCING, UM, UH, UH, YOU KNOW, KIND OF A GRIDLOCK, BUT HOW, UM, HOW MUCH TIME HAVE YOU GUYS SPENT LOOKING AT IN INCREASED DENSITY IN DOWNTOWN PLANO AND THE, AND THE AREAS AROUND IT? AND WHAT THAT DOES IS WE START TO GO DOWN THIS, THIS PATH, AND LET'S ASSUME WE ADOPT ALL THIS AND WE REDUCE THE LANES THAT WE HAVE.
UM, AND AS YOU KNOW, WE INCREASINGLY SEE MORE REQUESTS FOR MULTI-FAMILY HOUSING, UM, AROUND DOWNTOWN PLANO.
AND I THINK THERE'S A LOT OF GOOD REASONS FOR THAT.
UM, SO HOW MUCH DID YOU, IF AT ALL, BAKE THAT INTO WHAT YOU DID THE POTENTIAL FOR FAIRLY SIGNIFICANTLY INCREASED, UH, HOUSING AROUND THIS AREA IN DOWNTOWN PLANO? SO MY, MY ANSWER FOR THIS, UH, QUESTION, SO, UH, SECTION TWO UH, REALLY INCORPORATES A LOT OF FLEXIBILITY.
SO THERE'S FLEXIBILITY IN SOME OF OUR, THE STREET DESIGNS NOW FOR AREAS WHERE WE MIGHT WANT TO UTILIZE SPACE DIFFERENTLY WITHIN THE RIGHT OF WAY.
SO AS DEVELOPMENT OCCURS, SO I'M THINKING OF THE CORNER AND SOME OF THE MIXED JUICE ALLOWING ON STREET PARKING IN AREAS OR ANOTHER LANE.
UM, SO THERE'S SOME FLEXIBILITY THERE.
UM, AND THEY ALSO LOOK AT THE SURROUNDING LAND JUICES AS WELL.
AND IN SOME OF THE AREAS WE WOULD EXPECT INCREASED DENSITY, BUT I WILL SAY THE STREET DESIGN STANDARDS FOCUSED ON THE, THE, THE ROADWAY NETWORK ITSELF, BUT ALSO THE LAND USE THAT COULD COME IN THE FUTURE BY LOOKING AT THE FUTURE LAND USE PLAN.
AND I KNOW THAT'S HARD TO TRIANGULATE.
I, I GET THAT, BUT I, BUT I DO THINK IT'S SOMETHING WE MIGHT WANT TO CONSIDER AND, AND MAYBE YOU ALREADY HAVE.
UM, YOU KNOW, AS, AS I LOOK AT THIS, I, I DO THINK IT'S VERY INTERESTING.
THERE'S A LOT OF WONDERFUL THINGS IN HERE, YOU KNOW, UM, I LIKE THE PEDESTRIAN SAFETY.
UM, I'M, I'M A BIG FAN OF BIKES, AND SO WHEREVER WE CAN INCREASE BI BIKING SAFELY, I THINK IS A GREAT THING.
UM, I, BUT I HAVE SOME CONCERNS AND I, I HAVE SOME CONCERNS ABOUT HOW RAPIDLY WE'D IMPLEMENT A LOT OF THIS.
I HAVE SOME CONCERNS ABOUT, UM, ESPECIALLY DOWNTOWN PLANO AND WHAT SOME OF THESE CHANGES MIGHT DO TO THE CHARACTER OF DOWNTOWN PLANO AND, AND HOW FAST SOME OF THOSE THINGS MIGHT HAPPEN.
UM, I HAVE SOME CONCERNS ABOUT SPECIFICALLY MAYBE 13TH STREET, AND I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU GUYS ARE TRYING TO ACCOMPLISH.
AND, AND I, AND A LOT OF IT MAKES SENSE, I THINK, UM, I WONDER IF SOME OF THE COSTS THAT WE MIGHT ULTIMATELY INCUR MAY BE WORTH WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO
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ACCOMPLISH.AND FINALLY, I WONDER, UM, AS WE LOOK AT THIS, AND, YOU KNOW, IT'S A, IT'S A FAIRLY AMBITIOUS PROJECT, I THINK.
AND AS WE LOOK AT THAT, WHAT, WHAT, UM, THE COSTS MIGHT BE AND WHAT THAT MIGHT STALL US OUT JUST IN TERMS OF AVAILABLE REVENUES OR TAX BASE TO DO OTHER THINGS.
WITH THAT SAID, YOU KNOW, I THINK THERE'S A LOT OF GREAT STUFF IN HERE.
UM, ECHO SOME OF THE THINGS, UH, COMMISSIONER CAREY, UH, THINKING MORE ON THE RETURN ON INVESTMENT, UM, HOW DOES THIS HELP ENHANCE DOWNTOWN? BUT MORE IMPORTANTLY, AND WITH THE CAVEAT THAT I'VE NEVER COME CONDUCTED A TRAFFIC IMPACT ANALYSIS IN MY LIFE, UM, HOW DID WE MODEL THAT, THE CHANGES WE ARE PROPOSING WITH THE RIGHT TURN LANES AND WHAT HAVE YOU, DID, DID WE RUN THROUGH SOME SCENARIO MODELING OF SOME SORTS THAT PROVED THAT THAT WOULD ACTUALLY, UM, INTUITIVELY GOING FROM TWO TO ONE LANE MAKES IT SEEM LIKE THAT AUTOMATICALLY INCREASES TRAFFIC? WHAT PROCESS? CAN YOU WALK ME THROUGH THE PROCESS, HOW WE GOT TO THE CONCLUSION THAT THOSE CHANGES WOULD HAVE MINIMAL IMPACT OR ACTUALLY WOULD IMPROVE TRAFFIC IN THAT, IN THOSE AREAS THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT? SO DO YOU HAVE A SPECIFIC LOCATION YOU WANNA TALK ABOUT, OR JUST A GENERAL QUESTION? GENERAL QUESTION.
THE TURN, THE, THE DEDICATING THE RIGHT TURN LANE A LITTLE BIT EARLIER, I BELIEVE IT WAS THROUGH K OR 15 K, YOU KNOW, JUST GENERALLY HOW DO WE APPROACH MAKING THAT DEDUCTION THAT WE ARE REDUCING LANES? I UNDERSTAND, UM, THE TURN LANE BEING MUCH LONGER ESSENTIALLY CREATES ON ITS OWN A LITTLE BIT OF A ONE WAY, UH, WHILE EVERYBODY ELSE IS KIND OF LIKE STUCK, BE BEHIND THE PERSON TURNING, BUT WHAT'S THE PROCESS FOR MODELING THAT OUT? RIGHT? WHAT'S THE PROOF, SO TO SPEAK, THAT CHANGES? SO WE, WE ACTUALLY DO HAVE MODELS FOR THE, PRETTY MUCH THE ENTIRE CITY, UH, AT THIS POINT.
ANYTHING THAT, ANY BROADWAY THAT HAS SIGNALS, INTERSECTIONS, UH, WE HAVE A, A VERY DETAILED MODEL WITH TRAFFIC VOLUMES, UH, THE LANE, LANE ASSIGNMENTS, UH, AND, AND WHATNOT.
SO, UH, I, I, I ASKED THE QUESTION, IS IT A SPECIFIC LOCATION OR WAS IT A GENERAL LOCATION? ANYTIME THAT YOU ADD IN A, A RIGHT TURN LANE OR A LEFT TURN LANE INTO A, AN INTERSECTION, YOU'RE INCREASING THE, UH, THE CAPACITY OF THE INTERSECTION, UH, AND, UH, YOU ARE RE REDUCING THE, THE CONFLICTS THAT POTENTIALLY OCCUR BETWEEN A THROUGH VEHICLE AND A RIGHT TURN VEHICLE.
SO YOU'RE INCREASING THE SAFETY.
UH, AND SAME THING IF YOU'RE ADDING IN, UH, A LEFT TURN LANE, UH, THERE ARE MANY LOCATIONS RIGHT NOW WHERE WE HAVE, UH, LEFT TURN LANES THAT SPILL BACK INTO, INTO THE THROUGH LANES MM-HMM.
SO INSTEAD OF THREE THROUGH LANES AT AN INTERSECTION, I NOW HAVE TWO.
SO IT'S, IT'S INCREASING THE CAPACITY WHEN YOU INCREASE THE LEFT TURN LANE OR YOU, YOU ADD IN A, A RIGHT TURN LANE.
SO IT'S INCREASING THE CAPACITY AND IT'S IMPROVING THE SAFETY.
SO THE MODELING FOR THE CITY, SO IT IS A COMPUTER PROGRAM THAT IS, IT IS A COMPUTER PROGRAM CALLED, CALLED SYNCHRO THAT, THAT WE CAN ACTUALLY LOOK AND, AND, AND SHOW THE SPECIFIC IMPROVEMENTS IN DELAY STOPS, FUEL CONSUMPTION EMISSIONS, UH, WHEN WE ADD THESE PRO ADD THESE, UH, EXTRA LANES IN.
JUST A FOLLOW UP QUESTION, UM, UH, BACK KIND OF WHAT I SAID ON 15TH, I FORGOT TO MENTION THE AREA ON 14TH SPECIFICALLY BETWEEN J AND K.
UM, AGAIN, I THINK IT'S A, I'D LIKE, I'D JUST ENCOURAGE YOU TO STUDY THAT IN DETAIL.
IT'S, IT'S A RARE DAY I GO THROUGH THERE WHERE THERE'S NOT A TRUCK UNLOADING, UM, EITHER SOMEBODY MOVING IN AN APARTMENT OR SOMEBODY SERVING ONE OF THOSE BUSINESSES THROUGH THERE.
UM, AND ALSO THAT RIGHT TURN LANE JUST FEELS A LITTLE SHORT TO ME, BUT, UM, I KNOW YOU'LL DO A DETAILED DESIGN BEFORE Y'ALL ACTUALLY STRIPE ANYTHING ON THE GROUND.
SO I TRUST THAT THAT'S, THIS IS A CONCEPTUAL DRAWING, BUT, UH, I THINK AGAIN, ANOTHER OPPORTUNITY TO MAKE SURE WE ADDRESS ALL THE NEEDS OF THAT CORRIDOR, NOT JUST PARKING, BUT LOADING AND UNLOADING, ET CETERA.
SO, THANK YOU COMMISSIONER KERRY? YEAH, JUST A QUICK QUESTION.
THAT, UH, THAT, UM, THAT I UNDERSTAND ONE OF THE CHANGES IN HERE, I THINK IT, IT SUGGESTS THAT ANYTIME THERE'S A ZONING CHANGE, WE'RE GOING TO REQUIRE A TRAFFIC IMPACT STUDY.
DID, DID I READ THAT CORRECTLY OR IS, AM I AN ERROR WITH THAT? SO THE ONE REQUIREMENT FOR PRETTY MUCH ANY NEW DEVELOPMENT, IT'S CALLED A TRA IT IS CALLED A TRAFFIC, UH, TRIP GENERATION REPORT.
AND IT IS LITERALLY A 15 MINUTE EXERCISE, AND IT IS A ONE TABLE, IT TAKES 15 MINUTES TO GENERATE.
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SOMETHING THAT'S DONE VERY QUICKLY FOR SOME OF THE SMALLER DEVELOPMENTS, WE WILL ACTUALLY, STAFF WILL ACTUALLY BE DOING THOSE.UM, AND I SAY THAT BECAUSE IN THE PRE-DEVELOPMENT PROCESS, WHEN THE, THE APPLICANT COMES IN, UH, THEY'RE GONNA LET US KNOW AHEAD OF TIME, YOU KNOW, WHAT THE, WHAT THE, UH, UM, WHAT THE LAND USE IS AND, AND THE SIZE OF THE LAND USE.
AND ON, AGAIN, ON THE SMALLER ONES, WE'LL JUST GENERATE, UH, THIS REPORT OR THE TABLE DOESN'T TAKE US VERY LONG TO DO THAT.
WE HAVE THE, THE, THE TOOLS TO DO THAT.
THE SOFTWARE TO DO THAT, AND AT THAT PRE-DEVELOPMENT MEETING, UH, WILL DETERMINE WHETHER IT A MORE DETAILED TRAFFIC IMPACT STUDY IS REQUIRED.
BECAUSE THE CONCERN WAS OBVIOUS, I MEAN, ON SOMETHING THAT THERE'S NOT A LOT OF IMPACT, WHAT KIND OF COST OR THINGS WE MIGHT INCUR.
AND SOUNDS LIKE YOU GUYS ARE WAY IN FRONT OF THAT, SO THANK YOU.
I DON'T SEE ANY MORE LIGHTS ON.
OH, MR. BELL, I JUST WANNA MAKE ONE CLARIFICATION TO AN ANSWER I MADE EARLIER.
I, I DID MISSPEAK A LITTLE BIT.
THE 50% LIMITATION IS TO BUILDING ARTICULATION COMING INTO THAT SHY ZONE.
THERE IS NO LIMIT ON NUMBER OF PATIO DINING OR, OR PORCHES OR THINGS LIKE THAT.
UM, I THINK, UH, ONE POINT THAT WAS BROUGHT UP THAT I HAD ALSO CONSIDERED WAS, YOU KNOW, THERE IS NEW DEVELOPMENT DOWNTOWN.
UH, WE WERE EXPECTING MORE, AND WHEN I SAY DOWNTOWN, SOMETIMES WE GET CAUGHT UP IN THINKING 15TH STREET AND MUNICIPAL, BUT, AND K BUT REALLY THAT EXTENDS, YOU KNOW, QUITE A BIT, UH, SOUTH OF THERE.
UM, I, I THINK ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE'RE HOPING TO ACHIEVE HERE WITH THIS IS NOT TO TURN 15TH AND 14TH INTO A THOROUGHFARE AND ADD MORE TRAFFIC.
WHAT WE'RE WANTING TO DO IS MAKE IT INTO MORE OF A WALKABLE COMMUNITY, BUT IMPROVE THE FLOW THROUGH OF VEHICLES THAT ARE GOING THERE.
AM I CORRECT IN KIND OF THAT IDEA? CORRECT.
SO WE'RE GOING FROM THE CAPACITIES A THOUSAND CARS, AND THE PEAK DEMAND IN ON 15TH WAS 3 75, AND ON 14TH WAS 600.
THAT WAS PEAK DEMAND, RIGHT? AND BY REDUCING THIS TO ONE LANE FLOW THROUGH, WHAT DOES THAT DO? DOES IT TAKE US FROM A THOUSAND TO 600, OR NO, IT STAYS AT A THOUSAND.
IT'S JUST GONNA BE A EASIER FLOW THROUGH.
WELL, SOMETHING THAT HASN'T REALLY BEEN DISCUSSED YET, BUT LET'S, LET'S TALK ABOUT 15TH AND G.
SO 15TH AND G IS THE ONLY SIGNAL BETWEEN 75 AND THE DARK TRACKS MM-HMM.
YOU HAVE A SHARED LEFT THROUGH A LE, A THROUGH AND A RIGHT, RIGHT.
ALL THE OTHER INTER ALL THE OTHER APPROACHES TO THAT INTERSECTIONS ARE TWO LANES.
IT IS LITERALLY OUR MOST INEFFICIENT OPERATED INTERSECTION IN THE ENTIRE CITY BECAUSE WE HAVE TO SEQUENTIALLY TIME THAT PARTICULAR LOCATION.
AND IF YOU RECALL, IT'S IN A COUNTERCLOCKWISE MOVEMENT, EASTBOUNDS FIRST, THEN NORTHBOUND, THEN WESTBOUND, THEN SOUTHBOUND.
IT ACTUALLY SIGNIFICANTLY IMPROVES THE SAFETY OF THE INTERSECTION AND OUR THROUGHPUT FOR THE INTERSECTION.
IF WE WERE TO GO TO ONE LANE WHERE WE CAN HAVE EAST AND WESTBOUND LEFT TURN LANES THAT CAN OPERATE SIMULTANEOUSLY OR THE EAST WEST OPERATE SIMULTANEOUSLY.
SO ANY EXTRA TIME THAT I MIGHT HAVE, I CAN GIVE TO GIVE TO NORTH SOUTH.
SO WHEN, WHEN YOU HEAR, OH, YOU'RE, YOU'RE REMOVING A LANE, IT'S GONNA, YOU KNOW, BLOW UP THE INTERSECTION? NO, IT'S ACTUALLY THE OPPOSITE.
AND IT'S THE LITERALLY THE ONLY INTERSECTION IN THE CITY WHERE REMOVING A LANE WOULD, WOULD CREATE A, AN IMPROVEMENT, UH, AT THE LOCATION.
AND YOU'RE, YOU'RE, YOU'RE GETTING THERE KIND OF, BUT YOU'RE SAYING IT CURRENTLY WITH TWO LANES HAS A THOUSAND PER HOUR, WHATEVER YOUR MEASUREMENT IS, AND WE'RE TAKING IT TO ONE LANE.
ARE YOU TELLING ME THAT EVEN THOUGH DEMAND IS 3 75, THAT BECAUSE WE'VE GONE TO ONE LANE ON 14TH AND ON 15TH, THAT NOW THE THROUGHPUT IS 2000 AN HOUR? ARE WE INCREASING THE FLOW? NO, WE'RE NOT INCREASING THE FLOW.
IT, BUT, WELL, YES, NO, SO THE SIGNAL TIMING WOULD ALLOW ME TO ACTUALLY HAVE MORE TIME FOR THE EAST WEST, SO THE, THE THROUGHPUT WOULD CHANGE.
I DON'T KNOW WHAT THAT NUMBER IS, BUT IT, IT WOULD ABSOLUTELY CHANGE.
SO IT DOES ALLOW MORE TRAFFIC THROUGH, EVEN IF WE'RE NOT TRYING TO, BUT IT SHOULD BE A SAFER FLOW OF TRAFFIC.
AND THE OTHER SIDE BENEFIT IS RIGHT NOW THAT SIGNAL IS NOT COORDINATED WITH ANYTHING.
I CAN COORDINATE THAT WITH, UH, S 75, IF I CAN TAKE THOSE LEFT TURNS AND HAVE SEPARATE LANES FOR THOSE.
NOW, IF WE CAN COORDINATE THE DART TRAINS WITH THE SIGNAL WITH 75, THEN WE'RE ALL GOOD.
GREAT PRESENTATION, A TON OF INFORMATION AND WELL PRESENTED.
LET'S OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING, AND I THINK WE HAVE, UH, TWO OR THREE SPEAKERS ON THIS.
FIRST IS JAMES RUSSELL, AND WHILE HE COMES TO THE PODIUM, IF I CAN HAVE KENNETH WYATT COME DOWN AND TAKE A SEAT.
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AND FER PHYLLIS GERALD.HOW YOU DOING? UH, COME TO, TO SPEAK TO YOU GUYS TONIGHT ABOUT THE DOWNTOWN PART OF THE THOROUGHFARE PLAN, SECTION ONE A ONE E, SPECIFICALLY THIS SECTION EAST OF G AND WEST OF THE DARK TRACKS.
THE PROPOSAL WAS TO REDUCE THE LANES FROM FOUR LANES TO THREE.
ONE LANE GOING EAST, ONE LANE GOING WEST WITH A TURN LANE CALLED A SUICIDE LANE IN THE MIDDLE.
ABOUT 20 TO 25 YEARS AGO, WE HAD THE SAME CONFIGURATION DOWN THERE.
WE HAD NUMEROUS ACCIDENTS, HEAD-ON COLLISIONS, THE TRAFFIC AT THE LIGHT AT 15TH STREET AND AVENUE K BACKED UP ALMOST ALL THE WAY TO AVENUE G.
WE ALSO HAD 12 TO 15 VACANT BUILDINGS DOWN, DOWN IN DOWNTOWN, BECAUSE WHEN THE TRAFFIC BACKS UP, PEOPLE AVOID THE AREA.
WHAT THOSE OUTSIDE LANES DO IS FUNNEL THAT TRAFFIC AND THIN IT DOWN TO WHERE WHEN IT GETS TO DOWNTOWN, YOU HAVE A VERY SHORT AMOUNT OF WAIT TIME.
I WORKED WITH MR. BUBECK ALLEN UP CHURCH, THE HEAD ENGINEER, TOM WALTON, THE TRAFFIC ENGINEER, AND FRANK TURNER, THE ASSISTANT CITY MANAGER.
AND WE WORKED TOGETHER TO WIDEN THAT AREA DOWN THERE BELOW THE DARK TRACKS.
AND WE INCREASED THE VOLUME OF TRAFFIC, WE WERE ABLE TO GET THE TRAFFIC THROUGH.
IT'S SAFER, AND I'VE NEVER SEEN A PLACE IN ANY TOWN WHERE YOU REDUCE THE AMOUNT OF TRAFFIC GOING BY A BUSINESS AND INCREASE THE BUSINESS.
NOW GUYS, I HEAR PEOPLE TALKING ABOUT THE PEDESTRIAN.
WELL, YOU GOTTA LOOK AT 15TH STREET.
WE HAVE AN 18 FOOT GRADE FROM AVENUE K DOWN TO THE POLICE STATION.
THAT'S WHY WE NEVER GOT A PARKING GARAGE DOWN THERE.
SO PEOPLE AREN'T GONNA WALK UP A LONG TIME, ESPECIALLY RIGHT NOW IN 106 DEGREE WEATHER, OR IN 40 OR 35 DEGREE WEATHER.
UM, I'VE BEEN DOWN THERE SINCE I WAS SEVEN YEARS OLD, LOOKING OUT THAT FRONT WINDOW.
SO I KIND OF KNOW WHAT WILL AND WILL NOT WORK, AND I DON'T THINK WE OUGHT TO GO BACK TO A PLAN THAT'S ALREADY FAILED ONCE AS THIS ONE DID 20, 25 YEARS AGO.
THAT'S MY INPUT, AND I REALLY APPRECIATE YOU.
HI, MY NAME IS KEN HYATT, AND FORGIVE ME, I'M, I'M NOT A TRAFFIC ENGINEER.
I'M ALSO NOT A PUBLIC SPEAKER, SO I'LL DO THE BEST I CAN.
UH, MY, MY FAMILY AND I HAVE OWNED VILLAGE GREEN LAWN LANDSCAPE FOR 43 YEARS NOW, AND WE HAVE, WE MOVED TO DOWNTOWN PLANOS 23 YEARS AGO.
UH, WE PURCHASED THE PROPERTY ON 1316 J AVENUE.
THAT IS OUR ONE AND ONLY INVESTMENT PROPERTY.
WE ARE, WE ARE NOT DEVELOPERS.
UM, THE PLANS FOR 14TH STREET, 13TH STREET, 12TH STREET, J PLACE, THESE AREN'T THEORIES FOR US AND FOR ME AND MY FAMILY, THESE PLANS ARE LIKELY TO PREVENT US FROM BEING ABLE TO OPERATE OUR BUSINESS THERE.
THEY'RE GONNA REDUCE THE VALUE OF OUR FAMILY'S ONLY INVESTMENT PROPERTY, AND THEY'RE GONNA MAKE, IN MY OPINION, AGAIN, NOT AN ENGINEER.
THEY'RE GONNA MAKE TRAVELING THE AREA EVEN MORE DIFFICULT THAN IT IS NOW.
IT SEEMS TO ME, UH, THE ISSUES I SEE WITH 14TH STREET IS THAT TRAVELING EAST TO WEST IS ALREADY DIFFICULT.
IT SEEMS LIKE REDUCING THE LANES WILL WOULD MAKE IT EVEN MORE DIFFICULT, ESPECIALLY FOR US TO GET IN AND OUT OF, OF OUR BUSINESS.
UH, IT'S A MAJOR EXIT FOR OUR COMPANY'S VEHICLES.
UH, JAY PLACE, WHICH IS THE ALLEY OF, OF JAY AVENUE, THAT'S OUR ONLY EXIT OUT OF, OUT OF OUR PROPERTY.
AND AT THIS POINT THAT THE CONSIDERATION IS CONVERT THAT TO, TO A STREET AND A WALKWAY.
THE CONSTRUCTION ALONE WILL PROBABLY SHUT OUR BUSINESS DOWN.
AND THEN ONCE IT'S OPENED UP, IT'S GONNA MAKE IT EXTREMELY DIFFICULT, I BELIEVE, FOR US TO OPERATE OUR BUSINESS.
THEN THE 12TH STREET AND 13TH STREET EXTENSIONS, OUR, OUR PROPERTY IS ATTRACTIVE BECAUSE IT CAN BE COMBINED WITH OTHER PROPERTIES.
THIS IS THE VALUE THAT, THAT AT SOME POINT WE WILL REAP OUT OF, OUT OF BEING THERE FOR 20 PLUS YEARS, IS TO BE ABLE TO SELL IT.
AND THE BEST VALUE IS TO COMBINE IT WITH OTHER LOTS.
13TH STREET ESPECIALLY WILL RUN WITHIN ABOUT 20 FEET OF,
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OF OUR FENCE LINE AND ESSENTIALLY ELIMINATE OUR ABILITY TO COMBINE WITH, WITH ANOTHER PROPERTY.AS I SAID, I'M A LONGTIME PLANO BUSINESS OWNER.
MY FAMILY AND I ARE, AND I ALSO AM A HOME HOMEOWNER JUST WEST OF THE AREA.
UH, I DO WANNA SEE A THRIVING DOWNTOWN PLANO.
IT, IT'S OBVIOUSLY A BENEFIT TO ME BOTH AS A HOMEOWNER AND, AND A BUSINESS.
UM, I DON'T SEE HOW THIS A PLAN, HOW THIS PLAN ACCOMPLISHES THAT.
IT PROBABLY BENEFITS SOME PEOPLE, I GUESS.
UH, I CAN TELL YOU THAT FOR SMALL BUSINESS BUSINESS OWNERS LIKE ME, THAT THE PLANS LOOKS TO ME LIKE IT'S GONNA MAKE TRAVELING DOWNTOWN EVEN HARDER.
UH, IT'S GONNA MAKE MY BUSINESS MUCH HARDER TO OPERATE IN THIS AREA, POSSIBLY IMPOSSIBLE.
UH, AND IT'LL ABSOLUTELY REDUCE THE VALUE OF OUR, AGAIN, OUR ONLY INVESTMENT PROPERTY.
SO I'D JUST LIKE FOR YOU GUYS TO CONSIDER THE IMPACT THAT THIS IS GONNA HAVE ON ALL OF THESE SMALL BUSINESS OWNERS THAT ARE LIKE ME, THAT ONLY HAVE THE ONE PROPERTY DOWN THERE.
NEXT WE HAVE, NEXT WE HAVE PHYLLIS GERALD.
I'M PHYLLIS SHELL WITH CITY CENTRIC PLANNING, AND I REPRESENT TEXAS IN TOWN HOMES AND GRACO PROPERTIES.
UH, THESE COMPANIES HAVE, UH, CONSTRUCTION UNDERWAY IN DOWNTOWN PLANO FOR TOWNHOUSES AND APARTMENTS.
AND I HAVE FOLLOWED THESE, UH, PROPOSED AMENDMENTS FROM THE START WHEN THEY REALLY STARTED OUT AS HOW, HOW ARE WE GONNA MEASURE SETBACKS IN DOWNTOWN? AND THAT'S WAS MY INITIAL CONCERN AND REMAINS MY CONCERN IN TERMS OF THE IMPACT THAT, UH, THAT CHANGING IN THAT CHANGE THAT MEASUREMENT HAS IN MAKING EXISTING BUILDINGS NON-CONFORMING.
IN TERMS OF SETBACKS, UH, I'VE HAD, UH, A, UH, EMAIL IN YOUR PACKET THAT OUTLINED A COUPLE OF EXAMPLES OF HOW CHANGING THE MEASUREMENT WOULD IMPACT MY CLIENT'S PROPERTIES.
UH, ONE IS THE CHURCH CHAPEL AT THE FORMER, UH, FIRST BAPTIST CHURCH PROPERTY.
UH, CHANGING THE MEASUREMENTS, UH, WOULD MAKE ONE WING OF THAT BUILDING TOO CLOSE, ONE WING OF IT TOO, TOO FAR AWAY, UH, FROM THE STREETS.
AND OF COURSE, NONCONFORMING BUILDINGS, UH, CREATE PROBLEMS FOR PROPERTY OWNERS IN TERMS OF DUE DILIGENCE AND INSURANCE AND LENDING AND, UH, THOSE TYPE OF THINGS THAT MAKE IT MORE DIFFICULT, UH, TO, UH, MANAGE AND TRANSFER PROPERTIES.
UM, I WANTED TO THANK STAFF FOR THEIR PATIENCE AND ASSISTANCE.
I'VE PEPPERED THEM WITH QUESTIONS THROUGHOUT THIS WHOLE PROCESS.
AND EVEN AS LATE AS, AS FRIDAY, UH, WE WERE STILL HAVING SOME CORRESPONDENCE ON SOME PROPOSED CHANGES, UH, TO THE ORDINANCE LANGUAGE THAT WOULD ADDRESS IN NON-CONFORMING, UH, ISSUES, UH, THAT I WAS CONCERNED ABOUT.
AND I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE AND CONFIRM WITH STAFF THAT, THAT, UH, WHAT, UH, WE WERE TALKING ABOUT FRIDAY AFTERNOON, UH, WILL BE PART OF THE, UH, UH, CHANGES THAT ARE RECOMMENDED TO THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION, UH, PART OF ANY, UH, UH, A MOTION THAT YOU MAKE TONIGHT, UH, BECAUSE THEY DO ADDRESS MY CONCERNS.
BUT I THINK, UH, GIVEN THAT THIS IS EVOLVING LANGUAGE UP UNTIL THE LAST MINUTE, ESSENTIALLY, THAT IT REALLY, UH, I WOULD HOPE THAT THE COMMISSION WOULD TAKE YOUR TIME, UH, TO STUDY THESE CHANGES, THE IMPACT THAT THEY DO HAVE ON PROPERTIES, UH, AND, UH, YOU KNOW, NOT RUSHED, UH, THESE CHANGES THROUGH.
I KNOW EVERYONE'S PUT A LOT OF TIME AND EFFORT INTO IT, BUT IT COULD PROBABLY USE A LITTLE MORE TIME.
DO WE HAVE ANY MORE SPEAKERS ON THIS ITEM? NO, WE DO NOT.
I WILL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING.
AND, UM, I, I THINK, UH, I, I HAD A QUESTION THAT CAME UP EARLIER AND, UM, I THINK MR. BELL, YOU AND I HAD A DISCUSSION AROUND MAKING SURE EVERYONE UNDERSTANDS THAT WE'RE NOT SAYING WE'RE GONNA GO IN AND TEAR UP THE STREETS, AND THE CITY'S NOT GONNA GO IN AND DRIVE THIS.
IT'S NOT, THERE'S NO TIMETABLE.
WE DON'T HAVE TO HAVE THIS DONE NEXT YEAR, TWO YEARS FROM NOW, OR FIVE YEARS FROM NOW EVEN.
BUT IT DOES GIVE US A BASELINE TO WORK FOR SO THAT AS WE'RE MAKING CHANGES, AS CHANGES ARE BEING PROPOSED BY ANYONE THAT'S WANTING TO DO A DEVELOPMENT, WE HAVE A BASIS TO WORK FROM.
IS THAT ACCURATE? THAT'S ACCURATE.
UM, I CAN UNDERSTAND THE CONCERN ABOUT 13TH STREET.
UM, I APPRECIATE YOU COMING DOWN AND SHARING YOUR CONCERNS.
I MEAN, I, I GET THAT, UH, I THINK IT WOULD BE BETTER FOR THE CITY, THOUGH, TO BE TRANSPARENT IN THEIR DESIRE TO HAVE THAT AS A THROUGH STREET SO THAT ANYONE LOOKING TO CONSOLIDATE, UH, KNOWS WHAT'S BEING CONSIDERED BY THE CITY.
IT'S POSSIBLE THAT IN THE FUTURE
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IT WON'T GO THROUGH, BUT I THINK IT WOULD BE BETTER FOR THERE TO BE KNOWLEDGE OF THAT IN ADVANCE VERSUS SOMEONE BUYING A PIECE OF PROPERTY AND THEN FINDING OUT THAT THE CITY HAD A GOAL OR AN OBJECTIVE OF, OF EXTENDING THE STREET THROUGH THERE.UM, SO I THINK YOU, EARLIER MR. CAREY SAID, UH, AT SOME POINT WHEN WE WERE DISCUSSING THIS, UH, IT PRESENTS A CONUNDRUM, YOU KNOW, OF WHAT YOU DO.
I THINK I WOULD BE FAR LESS ENAMORED WITH THE DOWNTOWN AREA IF I FELT LIKE WHAT WAS BEING PROPOSED WAS A MANDATE AND EVERYBODY HAD TO GO DO THIS, EVEN IF WE WERE GOING TO PAY FOR IT.
WE WERE TELLING THEM, YOU'VE GOTTA GO MAKE THESE CHANGES.
AS AN EXISTING BUSINESS OWNER THAT WOULD CONCERN ME.
UM, I UNDERSTAND, UH, MR. RUSSELL, YOU'VE BEEN STARING OUT AT THAT STREET FOR, WELL, I WON'T SAY HOW OLD YOU ARE, SO A LONG TIME
BUT BOTTOM LINE IS, UH, ALL I THINK WE CAN DO IS RELY ON EXPERTS THAT SAY, THIS IS HOW IT WORKS, AND WE SEE IT ACROSS THE ENTIRE CITY.
THIS IS HOW IT WORKS WHEN YOU REDUCE LANES.
UM, I'VE NEVER HEARD TO A CENTER TURN LANE BEFORE IS A SUICIDE LANE.
I'VE DRIVEN ON MANY STREETS WITH THOSE, AND I'VE FOUND THEM TO BE PRETTY HELPFUL, UH, IN TERMS OF BEING ABLE TO MOVE.
AND PERSONALLY FOR ME, THAT INTERSECTION AT G AND 15TH IS A NIGHTMARE, AS WELL AS THE INEVITABLE RACE THAT OCCURS BETWEEN G AND THE DARK TRACK TO GET IN FRONT OF SOMEBODY TO GET OVER.
SO, UM, I APPRECIATE THE CHANGES THAT ARE SHOWN THERE AS WELL.
THIS IS SOMETHING THAT WE TALKED ABOUT.
LIKE I SAID, I THINK IT'S BEEN ALMOST TWO YEARS, AND THIS HAS BEEN IN THE PROCESS FOR THAT LONG.
I LOOK AT ALL OF THE OUTREACH THAT'S GONE ON ALL OF THE DISCUSSIONS.
SOME ADJUSTMENTS HAVE BEEN MADE BASED ON OUR INPUT BEFORE AND BASED ON INPUT FROM THE, UH, THE BUSINESS OWNERS AND THE RESIDENTS.
UM, I, I THINK WE'VE DONE A GOOD JOB AS THE, AS THE COMMISSION GIVING FEEDBACK, WORKING WITH STAFF.
UM, AND IT'S TIME FOR US TO REALLY MOVE THIS, MOVE THIS FORWARD.
UH, I THINK IT, IT CHECKS OFF A BIG BOX.
UM, I DON'T FEEL LIKE WE'VE RUSHED IT.
I THINK WE'VE KIND OF TAKEN OUR TIME.
I THINK THERE'S STILL ROOM FOR DISCUSSIONS ON CERTAIN ISSUES.
UM, AND LIKE EVERYTHING ELSE THAT'S AT THE CITY, ANY ONE OF THESE ITEMS COULD BE ADJUSTED OR AMENDED IN SIX MONTHS, YOU KNOW, SO I, I DON'T SEE A REASON FOR US TO REALLY HOLD THIS UP AFTER THE WORK THAT WE'VE DONE.
YEAH, JUST A COUPLE QUESTIONS.
UM, MIKE, THE, THE LADY HERE, UM, REFERENCED SOME DISCUSSIONS WITH YOU AND THE EXISTING SETBACKS AND SOME CHANGES.
CAN YOU SHED SOME LIGHT ON WHAT THOSE CHANGES MIGHT BE FOR ALL OF US? THAT'S ONE QUESTION I HAVE, AND I HAVE ONE OTHER QUESTION AFTER THAT.
ONE IS IN THE EXISTING LANGUAGE FOR BG, IT SAYS THAT BUILDINGS MAY BE RECONSTRUCTED, RECONSTRUCTED TO THE ORIGINAL LOCATION SO LONG AS THEY COMPLY WITH THE MAXIMUM SETBACK.
WE, WE AGREED THAT LANGUAGE WAS CONFUSING, SO WE STRUCK THE PART ABOUT THE MAXIMUM SETBACK, AND IT'S BEEN A MINUTE TO SAY YOU RECON RECONSTRUCT YOUR ORIGINAL, YOU CAN RECONSTRUCT YOUR ORIGINAL LINE WITHIN FIVE YEARS.
THE SECOND CHANGE WAS OUR CROSS SECTIONS HAVE A STANDARD, UH, WITH A PARALLEL PARKING SPACE, BUT IT GIVES FLEXIBILITY FOR ANGLED PARKING SPACES.
AND IT WAS BROUGHT UP, WELL, HOW DOES THE, THE SETBACK CHANGE IF YOU PROVIDE ANGLED PARKING AND ESSENTIALLY YOUR SHY ZONE NEEDS TO MOVE BACK TO ACCOMMODATE.
SO WE'VE ADDED LANGUAGE IN THAT SHOULD A VARIETY, A VARIATION BE PROVIDED IN THE STREET SECTION THAT THE SHY SHYMAN WOULD MOVE TO ACCOMMODATE THAT VARIATION, ESSENTIALLY.
UM, AND THEN MY OTHER QUESTION IS THIS, THE, OUT OF THESE DIFFERENT, UM, ONE A, ONE B, ONE C, WHICH ONE OF THESE REALLY, UM, CAPTURES THIS 13TH STREET IMPROVEMENT CHANGE? WHICH ONE? WHICH ONE OF THE, WHERE IS THAT REALLY IN HERE? IT'S ONE B.
IT'S THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AMENDMENT TO INCORPORATE THAT IN THE DOWNTOWN STREETS PLAN.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH, MR. BRONSKI.
UH, YEAH, SO I HAVE, UH, I JUST HAVE ONE QUESTION, AND IT WAS FOR, UH, MR. SHUKI IN RELATION TO, UH, MR. RUSSELL'S COMMENTS ABOUT THE, UH, TRAFFIC PATTERN 20 TO 25 YEARS AGO IN THAT AREA, AS IT RELATES TO HOW IT'S GOING OR HOW WE'RE TALKING ABOUT IT LOOKING IN THE FUTURE.
COULD YOU TALK, COULD YOU TALK TO THAT FOR A MINUTE, PLEASE? UM, I, ALTHOUGH I'VE BEEN LIVING IN PLANO FOR 33 YEARS, I'M NOT SURE WHAT THE TRAFFIC PATTERN WAS PRIOR TO THE EXISTING CONFIGURATION THAT IT IS RIGHT NOW.
UH, BUT I'LL STAND BY MY COMMENTS EARLIER THAT WHEN, WHEN WE CHANGE THE INTERSECTION, AND BY
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THE WAY, WE'RE PROBABLY GONNA MAKE THIS A C I P PROJECT, UM, MOVING FORWARD BECAUSE THE, THE, THE IMPROVEMENTS ARE SO SIGNIFICANT IN CAPACITY AND, AND SAFETY.UM, BUT THE NEW CONFIGURATION, UH, WE'RE BASICALLY LINING UP EVERYBODY WEST OF G AND MOVING IN, IN ONE, EXCUSE ME, IN ONE LANE BETWEEN G CLOSE OR OR TWO H.
AND THEN AS IT SHOWED IN THE GRAPHIC, WE'LL GO BACK TO TWO LANES ONCE YOU APPROACH THE DARK TRACKS, WHICH IS EXACTLY HOW IT OPERATES RIGHT NOW.
SO, UM, I'M NOT SURE HOW, I'M NOT SURE HOW IN TWO LANES IS GONNA CHANGE, UH, THE PERCEPTION OF A DRIVER, UH, WHEN, WHEN THEY HAVE, UH, WHEN THEY, WHEN THEY HAVE TO MERGE, MERGE, UH, WHEN YOU GET BACK DOWN TO THE DARK TRACKS ANYWAYS.
AND JUST AN OBSERVATION, HAVING DRIVEN IN MANY, MANY YEARS NOW, UH, IN THE MORNING, ESPECIALLY WITH, WITH THE DRIVERS THAT REALLY KNOW THE, THE, THE PATTERN, UH, IF YOU LOOK, MOST OF THE DRIVERS ARE ALREADY IN THAT LEFT LANE.
AND SO YOU MIGHT HAVE SEVEN OR EIGHT VEHICLES QUEUED UP IN THAT LEFT LANE, WHICH IS WHERE WE WOULD PUT THEM.
AND THEN YOU ONLY HAVE TWO OR THREE VEHICLES IN THE, IN THE MIDDLE LANE, UH, BECAUSE THEY ALREADY KNOW THAT THEY'RE GONNA HAVE TO BE IN THAT LEFT LANE WHEN THEY GET TO THE DARK TRACKS.
SO I REALLY CAN'T SPEAK TO THE, YOU KNOW, WHAT, WHAT IT WAS 25 YEARS AGO, UH, WHAT THAT CONFIGURATION WAS.
I GUESS I COULD DO SOME RESEARCH, BUT I, I DON'T SEE THAT THAT, UM, IS, IS GONNA MAKE ANYTHING SIGNIFICANTLY DIFFERENT THAN MY RECOMMENDATION AS IT IS RIGHT NOW.
SO WHAT I'M REALLY ASKING, I GUESS ISN'T NECESSARILY THROUGHPUT, BUT IS, UH, THE OVERALL SAFETY OF BOTH THE DRIVERS AND ANYONE THAT WOULD BE IN THAT AREA, DO YOU FEEL LIKE WE ARE INCREASING THE SAFETY FOR THAT? OH, ABSOLUTELY.
WHEN, WHEN WE CAN, WHEN WE CAN GET, UH, LEFT TURNS OUT OF THE, OUT OF THE THROUGH TRAFFIC, UH, WHEN, WHEN WE CAN QUEUE EVERYBODY UP.
SO WE DON'T HAVE THAT BIG WEAVE AS, AS, UH, CHAIRMAN'S POINTED OUT, UH, BETWEEN G IN THE, IN THE DARK TRACK.
UM, THAT DEFINITELY INCREASES THE, THE SAFETY.
YOU KNOW, WE DO HAVE AN ACCIDENT PROBLEM BETWEEN G AND THE DARK TRACKS, UH, NOTHING SIGNIFICANT, BUT, BUT THERE IS AN ACCIDENT ISSUE THAT THAT DOES OCCUR OUT THERE BECAUSE OF THIS, THIS WEAVE THAT OCCURS.
AND YOU HAVE A LOT OF NEW DRIVERS THAT COME IN AND THAT GET SURPRISES.
AND I WILL TELL YOU THIS, I ALMOST EVERY TIME I DRIVE THROUGH THERE, YOU HAVE A DRIVER IN THAT RIGHT LANE AND IT, IT GETS TO THE DARK TRACK AND REALIZES, OH, I HAVE TO TURN RIGHT.
UH, WHICH ALSO CREATES THEIR, OUR ISSUE WITH, WITH ACCIDENTS.
SO WE'RE TRYING TO AVOID THAT.
WELL, I WOULD SAY MY, UH, DAUGHTER IS 20 AND SHE AVOIDS DOWNTOWN COMPLETELY BECAUSE OF ALL OF THE CONCERNS OF A HUNDRED THINGS SEEMING LIKE IT'S ALL GOING ON AT ONCE.
AND I REALLY WANT TO JUST BE SURE THAT, UM, MR. RUSSELL'S CONCERNS ARE BEING HEARD AND ADDRESSED TO MAKE SURE THAT THAT AREA IS AS SAFE AS POSSIBLE, AND THAT BY ADDING MIDDLE TURN LANES OR WHATEVER, WE'RE NOT MAKING THINGS WORSE, BUT I TRUST YOUR WORD AND, UH, I'M SURE THAT MR. RUSSELL HAS HAD AN OPPORTUNITY TO HAVE CONVERSATION WITH YOU OR YOU'LL BE OPEN TO DOING THAT.
SO IF I CAN ADD ONE MORE THING, WE TALKED ABOUT THE, THE MIDDLE TURN LANE.
SO IN ORDER OF, OF SAFETY, THE BEST CONFIGURATION THAT WE CAN HAVE IS A RAISED MEDIAN WITH LEFT TURN LANES, RIGHT? RIGHT BELOW THAT IS NO RAISED MEDIAN, BUT YOU HAVE A CENTER, UH, THAT YOU HAVE A CENTER TURN LANE.
I'M SORRY, YOU HAVE, YEAH, NO MEDIAN.
BUT THEN YOU HAVE TURN LANES, DEDICATED TURN LANES FOR, FOR CERTAIN LOCATIONS.
BUT WITH THE CONFIGURATION THAT WE HAVE BETWEEN G AND AND DOWNTOWN, WE HAVE A LOT OF DRIVEWAYS.
SO THE, THE, THE NEXT BEST CONFIGURATION FROM A SAFETY STANDPOINT IS THE SUICIDE LANE AS HE, AS HE CALLED IT.
AND YES, I ACTUALLY HAVE HEARD THAT NAME USED, UH, IN THE PAST.
UM, BUT IT IS ACTUALLY MUCH SAFER THAN THE CONFIGURATION THAT WE HAVE RIGHT NOW, WHICH IS NO TURN LANES AND PEOPLE ARE STOPPING AND TURNING, UH, UH, ACROSS TRAFFIC, UH, THAT'S ACTUALLY MUCH LESS SAFE THAN HAVING THE SUICIDE LANE OR THE, THE, I'M SORRY.
BUT IT'S, IT'S A, IT'S A, IT'S A, IT'S A SAFER SITUATION FOR ANYONE LISTENING AT HOME.
UM, MORE OF A COMMENT THAN A QUESTION.
UM, AGAIN, HAVE NOT RUN A TRAFFIC FLOW THROUGH ANALYSIS, BUT I'VE DONE A COUPLE OF SUPPLY CHAIN FLOW THROUGH ANALYSIS IN MY PAST, AND WHEN THE MODEL MEETS REALITY, IT'S DIFFERENT.
SO JUST MORE OF A COMMENT IF THERE'S A WAY WE CAN WITHOUT, BEFORE WE DIG UP
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AND PLANT STUFF, TEST SOME OF THIS, YOU KNOW, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU ACTUALLY PUT LIKE SOME KIND OF PHYSICAL BARRIER BARRIER TO SHORTEN THE TURN LANE OR SOMETHING BEFORE WE PUT JACK HAMMERS INTO THE GROUND.I'M SMILING BECAUSE WE ACTUALLY HAVE HAD A TEST FOR FOUR MONTHS MM-HMM.
SO WE'VE, WE ACTUALLY HAVE, NOT INTENTIONALLY, BUT IT HAS BEEN NARROWED DOWN.
UH, AND REGARDING THE MODEL, UH, UH, IT WAS ACTUALLY, UH, LAST WEEK WE WERE REQUESTED, UH, BY THE CITY MANAGER'S OFFICE TO ACTUALLY EVALUATE THE ADDITION OF SOME LEFT TURNS OR RIGHT TURNS AT SOME OF OUR MAJOR INTERSECTIONS.
AND SO WE'RE DOING A STUDY, WE JUST STARTED A STUDY.
UH, AND SO WE'LL PROVIDE THAT INFORMATION TO, TO THIS COMMISSION IF YOU'RE INTERESTED, UH, ON WHAT THOSE RESULTS ARE SHOWING WHAT THE REDUCTIONS, UH, IN DELAY CAPACITY, FUEL CONSUMPTION EMISSIONS, UH, ARE WHEN YOU ADD A RIGHT TURN LANE OR YOU ADD A, A LEFT TURN LANE, UH, AT AN INTERSECTION.
JUST A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS TO FOLLOW UP.
YOU ALSO HAD A STUDY YOU MAY REMEMBER, OR THEY SHALL SHUT DOWN A LANE ON 15TH, UM, TO DO SOME UTILITY WORK FOR SEVERAL MONTHS, UM, DOWN TO ONE LANE, AND IT SEEMED TO WORK OKAY.
UM, I APPRECIATE YOUR COMMENTS ABOUT THAT INTERSECTIONS.
I'M THROUGH THERE MULTIPLE TIMES A DAY.
AND, UH, ANY, ANY IMPROVEMENT IN EFFICIENCY, IT WOULD BE GREATLY APPRECIATED BECAUSE I SAID IT THAT LIVE A LOT.
UM, ONE QUESTION FOR YOU THOUGH ON, UH, AND I'M GONNA CALL IT A CHICKEN LANE BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT I WAS TAUGHT IT WAS, UH, AND SO, UM, IT WAS ALWAYS REFERRED TO AS A CHICKEN LANE IN MY HOUSE ALSO, NOT A TECHNICAL TERM, ALSO NOT A TECHNICAL TERM.
UM, WOULD THAT ADDRESS SOME OF THE ISSUES? IS THAT LEGALLY ALLOWED TO BE USED FOR SOME OF THIS LOADING AND UNLOADING THAT WE'VE GOT GOING ON IN THE CURB LANE TODAY, OR I SEE IT HAPPENING, UH, BUT I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S A AND THAT MAY A PD QUESTION, BUT, UM, I SEE IT HAPPENING AND SO IT'S A, IT'S A QUESTION.
DOES THAT ADDRESS SOME OF THOSE ISSUES OR IS THAT WAY OUTTA BOUNDS ON THE ZONING OR TRAFFIC? IT'S A FAIR QUESTION, BUT IT DOES NOT ADDRESS, IT'D STILL BE AN ILLEGAL MANEUVER.
AND JUST AS A, A GENERAL COMMENT FROM EDITORIAL COMMENT FOR MYSELF, THE, THE, UH, U P S TRUCKS OF THE WORLD NOT TO PICK ON U P S OR ANY OF THOSE KINDS OF TRUCKS ARE THE BANE OF MY TRAFFIC WORLD.
IT'S ONE OF THE MAIN REASONS WE DID THE CURBSIDE MANAGEMENT SECTION, UM, BECAUSE WE HAVE, WE HAVE VEHICLES ON MAJOR ROADWAYS, UH, STOPPING, UH, A LANE OF TRAFFIC, WHICH IS ACTUALLY ILLEGAL IN PLANO, UH, TO, TO STOP AND LOAD OR UNLOAD, UH, ON PRETTY MUCH EVERY MAJOR ARTERIAL THAT WE HAVE IN, IN, IN PLANO.
SO, UH, UH, WE HAVE A DOCUMENT HERE THAT ALLOWS US TO DESIGN, AND ACTUALLY WE, A LOT OF, SOME OF THE NEW DEVELOPMENTS THAT ARE COMING IN, WE'RE ASKING ALL, NOTHING OFFICIAL YET, BUT WE WE'RE ASKING THESE DEVELOPMENTS TO PROVIDE FOR, UH, LOADING AND UNLOADING ZONES, UH, TO GET THE VEHICLES OFF THE STREETS.
AND LAST BUT NOT LEAST, UM, AND I HAVEN'T BEEN HERE AS LONG AS ANYBODY THAT SPOKE, BUT I DO LIVE IN THE AREA AND I DO WALK DOWN 15TH, FAIRLY REGULARLY.
UM, IF THE NARROWING OF THE ROAD AND, AND THE CHANGES TO THE CURBSIDE ENGAGEMENT ZONES, UM, IS THAT GONNA IMPROVE PEDESTRIAN SAFETY AS WELL? BECAUSE THERE'S, ON A FRIDAY, SATURDAY NIGHT, THERE ARE A LOT OF PEDESTRIANS DOWN THERE WALKING UP AND DOWN 15TH AND THROUGH THE NEIGHBORHOODS.
UM, HOW DOES, HOW DOES THE CHANGES TO 15TH AND 14TH FOR THAT MATTER? UM, I KNOW THERE'S A BALANCING ACT BETWEEN TRAFFIC AND PEDESTRIANS, BUT, UH, WE HAVE A LOT OF PEDESTRIANS DOWN THERE.
IS THIS GONNA IMPROVE, IMPROVE PEDESTRIAN SAFETY? SO IF YOU LOOK AT THE, THE, THE ANSWER IS ABSOLUTELY YES.
BUT IF YOU LOOK AT THE, THE CONCEPTUAL DESIGNS THAT WE HAVE IN SOME OF THESE, THESE CROSS STREETS OR THESE, THESE, THESE ROADWAYS, WE ARE NARROWING THE TIME THAT THE PEDESTRIAN IS ACTUALLY IN THE ROADWAY CORRECT, WITH THESE CUL, UH, BULB, UH, BUMP OUT BULB OUT.
SO THE ANSWER IS YES, PEDESTRIANS WOULD BE IN A SAFER SITUATION SINCE THEY WON'T HAVE TO BE IN THE ROADWAY AS LONG AS THEY ARE RIGHT NOW.
UM, THERE'S A LITTLE PARK NEXT DOOR TO THE, UH, MR. CROSS, THE DARK TRACKS FROM THE 15TH STREET STATION AT WHICH THERE IS ON DISPLAY, ONE OF THE OLD INTERURBAN LINE STREETCAR THAT USED TO RUN BETWEEN DALLAS AND OUTLYING AREAS AS LONG AGO AS THE 1940S WHEN MY MOM USED TO TAKE THE INTERURBAN CAR FROM DALLAS UP TO DENTON TO GO TO COLLEGE.
RIGHT NEXT TO THAT CAR IS THE 15TH STREET
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DART STATION.AND I THINK COMPARING THAT LITTLE STREET CAR TO WHAT IS NEXT TO IT IS A PERFECT ILLUSTRATION OF HOW FAR PLANO HAS COME IN THE LAST, SHALL WE SAY, 60 YEARS.
UM, PLANO HAS DEVELOPED FROM IN ITS INFANCY AND AGRICULTURAL COMMUNITY TO A BEDROOM COMMUNITY, TO A SUBURBAN COMMUNITY.
AND IT IS NOW BECOMING OR HAS BECOME A MAJOR EMPLOYMENT CENTER, ALL OF WHICH HAS BEEN POSSIBLE THROUGH CONTINUING ONGOING FORWARD-LOOKING, LONG-TERM CONTINUOUS PLANNING THROUGH THE YEARS, THE CONDITION OF THE CITY AND THE NEED TO ENGAGE IN ONGOING PLANNING, TO ME IS ALWAYS EVOLVING AND NEVER STATIC.
WE SHOULD NEVER REST ON OUR LAURELS.
WE SHOULD NEVER SAY THAT THE WAY WE ARE NOW IS PERFECT AND WE CAN'T CHANGE ANYMORE.
UH, THE POPULATION IS GROWING.
JOBS PRESENT IN THE CITY HAVE INCREASED TRAFFIC HAS INCREASED.
THE SILVER LINE IS CREATING OPPORTUNITIES FOR TRANSIT ORIENTED DEVELOPMENT, WHICH THIS COMMISSION IS ALSO LOOKING AT.
UM, ADDING ADDITIONAL STREETS IN THE 12TH AND 13TH STREET AREA WILL IMPROVE CIRCULATION AND ACCESS IN THAT AREA, UH, BY CREATING A NAVIGABLE GRID PATTERN, WHICH WILL ALLOW BETTER TRANSIT, UH, UH, TRANSPORTATION MOVEMENT THROUGH THE AREA, WHICH WILL MAKE THE AREA MORE DESIRABLE FOR TRANSIT ORIENTED DEVELOPMENT IN CONNECTION WITH THE ARRIVAL OF THE DART LINE.
UM, NONE OF THESE STANDARDS ARE DESIGNED TO HURT PEOPLE.
THEY'RE DESIGNED TO MAKE MANAGED PLANNED GROWTH POSSIBLE.
THAT IS SOMETHING WE HAVE HISTORICALLY DONE.
IT IS SOMETHING WE NEED TO CONTINUE TO DO.
AND MR. CHAIRMAN, I AGREE WITH ALL OF YOUR COMMENTS.
AT A VERY HIGH LEVEL, AS WE LOOK AT THESE IMPROVEMENTS THAT WE'RE MAKING, HOW, HOW MUCH DO YOU THINK THEY MIGHT REDUCE ACCIDENTS IN TOWN? DO YOU, DO YOU GUYS HAVE A PROJECTION ON THAT AT ALL? JUST ANY KIND OF SPIT WALK? UM,
UH, ONE WOULD'VE THOUGHT THAT WHEN COVID HIT AND OUR VOLUMES WENT DOWN 90 THE FIRST COUPLE OF WEEKS, AND FOR A YEAR OR SO THEY WERE DOWN 50 TO 60%, THAT OUR ACCIDENTS ACTUALLY STAYED ABOUT THE SAME, BECAUSE NOW VEHICLES WERE GOING A LOT FASTER BECAUSE THERE WAS NO TRAFFIC ON THE ROADWAY.
AND, UH, SO THAT REALLY SURPRISED ME.
WELL, THAT'S ALL, ALL YOUR FAULT.
YOU REPAVED THESE ROADS AND NOW THEY'RE FASTER.
BUT I WILL, I'LL JUST SAY THE GENERAL COMMENT THAT WE HAVE IN ENGINEERING, ESPECIALLY ON THE TRANSPORTATION SIDE, WE HAVE THREE OR FOUR GOALS THAT WE ACCOMMODATE.
SAFETY IS NUMBER ONE, IMPROVE THE SAFETY OF THE ROADWAY.
SO ALL THE DECISIONS THAT WE MAKE, WE, WE FIRST LOOK AT IT'S GONNA IMPROVE THE SAFETY.
NEXT IS, IS GONNA MOVE TRAFFIC.
THE NEXT IS, IS THE DECISION THAT WE'RE MAKING GONNA IMPROVE THE EFFICIENCIES THAT WE HAVE? AND THEN THE LAST ONE, WHICH IS WHERE I THINK MOST POLITICIANS START WITH IS, ARE WE BEING GOOD STEWARDS OF OUR PUBLIC FUNDS? UH, BUT WE LOOK AT SAFETY IS, IS THE NUMBER ONE.
AND I THINK THE IMPROVEMENTS THAT WE'RE MAKING HERE ARE GONNA IMPROVE THE SAFETY OF THE PEDESTRIANS AND THE SAFETY OF THE MOTORING PUBLIC.
YEAH, JUST FROM MY, MY, UH, UH, PERSPECTIVE, IT SEEMS THAT MAKES SENSE BASED ON WHAT I SEE.
MY, MY, MY FINAL THING IS, IS ONE OF THE THINGS I'M STRUGGLING WITH, ALL OF THIS IS, IS 13TH, AND I'LL KEEP MY COMMENTS SHORT HERE, AND, YOU KNOW, WE'VE TALKED ABOUT, WE WANNA IDENTIFY THIS AS A POTENTIAL AREA WHERE WE MIGHT PUT A STREET THROUGH, BUT WE MIGHT NEVER PUT IT THROUGH.
AND, AND SO AGAIN, IT'S, IT'S A CHALLENGE FOR ME BECAUSE WE'RE LOOKING AT, OKAY, WHO ARE WE BENEFITING HERE? THE CURRENT LANDOWNER OR MAYBE A POTENTIAL LANDOWNER.
AND SO, AND WE MIGHT NEVER DO 13TH STREET.
AND SO FOR THAT REASON ON ONE B, I'M CHALLENGED.
I I WISH WE WOULD JUST PULL 13TH STREET OUT OF THERE, JUST ONE GUY'S OPINION.
OTHER THAN THAT, I, I THINK WHAT YOU GUYS HAVE DONE IS, IS, IS REALLY GOOD.
AND, AND I APPLAUD YOU FOR IT.
SO, A LOT OF CONVERSATION AT THIS POINT.
I'M GONNA MOVE, WE APPROVE ITEM ONE A AS STAFF'S RECOMMENDED.
SO I HAVE A MOTION BY MYSELF WITH A SECOND BY COMMISSIONER BRENNO TO APPROVE ITEM ONE A.
SO THAT ITEM CARRIES SEVEN TO ZERO WITH ONE ABSTENTION AND MR. LAW HAD RECUSED HIMSELF.
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UH, I WILL CONTINUE WITH A, A MOTION TO APPROVE ITEM ONE B AS SUBMITTED.HE GOT YOU OVER HERE MOTION BY, UH, CHAIRMAN DOWNS WITH A SECOND BY COMMISSIONER IFF TO APPROVE ITEM ONE B, PLEASE VOTE.
THAT CARRIES, UH, BY A VOTE OF SIX TO ONE WITH, UH, ONE CONFLICT.
UH, SHALL I CONTINUE? DOES SOMEBODY ELSE WANNA STEP IN? I MAKE A MOTION.
WE APPROVE ITEM ONE C AS PRESENTED.
SO I HAVE A MOTION BY COMMISSIONER RATLIFF WITH A SECOND BY COMMISSIONER KERRY TO APPROVE ITEM ONE C, PLEASE VOTE.
THAT ITEM CARRIES BY A VOTE OF SEVEN TO ZERO WITH ONE WE'LL MAKE A, I'M SORRY, CONFLICTED OUT.
I'LL MAKE A MOTION THAT WE APPROVE ONE D AS PRESENTED.
WE HAVE A MOTION BY COMMISSIONER KERRY WITH A SECOND BY COMMISSIONER TONG TO APPROVE ITEM ONE D AS SUBMITTED, PLEASE VOTE NOT ITEM CARRIE SEVEN ZERO WITH ONE CONFLICT.
ONE E UH, MR. CHAIRMAN, I MAKE A MOTION THAT WE REPEAL THOROUGHFARE STANDARDS, RULES AND REGULATIONS ORDINANCE 2009 DASH SIX DASH 10 AS AMENDED TRAFFIC ISLAND GUIDELINES 1989 AND PRIVATE STREET SUBDIVISION GUIDELINES 1994 SUBJECT TO APPROVAL BY THE CITY COUNCIL OF THE STREET DESIGN STANDARDS ZONING CASE 20 23 0 0 3, COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AMENDMENT 20 23 0 0 1 AND SUBDIVISION ORDINANCE 20 23 0 0 1.
THAT'S PRECISELY WHY I STOPPED MAKING THE MOTIONS.
SO I HAVE THE MOTION BY COMMISSIONER RATLIFF WITH A SECOND BY COMMISSIONER BRONSKI, UH, ON ITEM E, PLEASE VOTE.
AND THAT ITEM CARRIES SEVEN TO ZERO WITH ONE CONFLICT.
ALRIGHT, THANK YOU GUYS SO MUCH STAFF.
LOT OF, LOT OF HOURS ON THIS VERY COMPLEX.
OKAY, SO NOW WE'RE GONNA MOVE ON TO AGENDA ITEM TWO.
MR. LYLE IS RETURNING, IT LOOKS LIKE, UM, MR. BRONSKI, IS THIS, OH, YOU'RE ON THREE.
[2(JR) Public Hearing: Zoning Case 2023-014 - Request to amend Article 8 (Definitions), Article 14 (Allowed Uses and Use Classifications), Article 15 (Use-specific Regulations), and related sections of the Zoning Ordinance to allow commercial drone delivery hubs and to include provisions for advanced air mobility aircraft. Project #ZC2023-014. Petitioner: City of Plano (Legislative consideration)]
AGENDA ITEM NUMBER TWO, PUBLIC ZONING CASE.PUBLIC HEARING ZONING CASE 2023 DASH ZERO 14.
REQUEST TO AMEND ARTICLE EIGHT DEFINITIONS.
ARTICLE 14 ALLOWED USES AND USE CLASSIFICATIONS.
ARTICLE 15, USE SPECIFIC RE REGULATIONS RELATED SECTIONS OF THE ZONING ORDINANCE TO ALLOW COMMERCIAL DRONE DELIVERY HUBS AND TO INCLUDE PROVISIONS FOR ADVANCED AIR MOBILITY AIRCRAFT.
UH, SO I'M JORDAN ERBE, PLANNER WITH THE, UH, PLANNING DEPARTMENT.
CAN WE MOVE THE CONVERSATIONS OUT OF THE CHAMBER? THANK YOU.
ALRIGHT, SO AS A QUICK, UH, RECAP THIS, UH, DISCUSSION ON, UH, DRONES IN THE CITY STARTED IN JUNE OF LAST YEAR.
OUR FIRST MEETING WITH THE COMMISSION WAS IN OCTOBER OF LAST YEAR, FOLLOWED BY A SECOND MEETING IN JUNE OF THIS YEAR WHERE THE PUBLIC HEARING WAS CALLED.
UH, THE NEXT FEW SLIDES WILL RECAP SOME OF THAT BACKGROUND INFO THAT WAS PRESENTED AT THE JUNE MEETING.
SO DRONES ARE KNOWN BY MANY NAMES.
UM, UNMANNED AIRCRAFT IS THE PREFERRED INDUSTRY TERM, UM, IN THE UNITED STATES.
SO THE ORDINANCE WILL REFER TO UNMANNED AIRCRAFT.
BUT THROUGHOUT THIS PRESENTATION, I'LL PROBABLY JUST SAY DRONES 'CAUSE IT'S A BIT EASIER.
UH, DELIVERY DRONES PROVIDE A LAST MILE DELIVERY FUNCTION.
UH, THEY TYPICALLY REPLACE TRIPS THAT WOULD BE MADE BY A LOCAL DELIVERY VEHICLE OR BY A PERSONAL VEHICLE.
THE MOST COMMON DRONES IN USE TODAY ARE UNDER 55 POUNDS DUE TO, UM, FEDERAL REGULATIONS.
UM, BUT LARGER ONES DO EXIST AND ARE AN OPERATION IN TEXAS.
MOST OPERATORS CURRENTLY LIMIT THEIR DELIVERY RANGE TO ABOUT FOUR MILES, ALTHOUGH THEY ARE CAPABLE OF LONGER FLIGHT TIMES.
ADVANCED AIR MOBILITY REFERS TO A NEW CLASS OF AIRCRAFT THAT ARE SIMILAR TO HELICOPTERS.
THEY'RE SOMETIMES REFERRED TO AS AIR TAXIS THESE DAYS.
UM, THESE AIRCRAFT ARE UNDER ACTIVE DEVELOPMENT, UM, IN THE UNITED STATES AND AROUND
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THE WORLD.AND THE FIRST COMMERCIAL SERVICE IS EXPECTED IN THE UNITED STATES IN 2025.
UH, FEDERAL REGULATION OF AIRCRAFT IS BY THE F A A IN TERMS OF DRONES.
THIS IS THROUGH PART 1 0 7 OF THE CODE OF FEDERAL REGULATIONS.
UM, PART 1 35 IS ALSO USED TO REGULATE ADVANCED OPERATIONS OF DRONE AIRCRAFT.
ALTHOUGH THAT PART WAS INTENDED FOR CONVENTIONAL AIRCRAFT, UM, AN UPCOMING F A A REAUTHORIZATION ACT THIS YEAR, UM, IF PASSED IN ITS CURRENT FORM, UH, WILL RESULT IN SIGNIFICANT CHANGES FOR BOTH DRONE OPERATORS AND ADVANCED AIR MOBILITY.
UM, THIS ACT WOULD REQUIRE THE F A A TO ISSUE RULES AND UPDATE THE REQUIREMENTS FOR THE OPERATION OF UNMANNED AIRCRAFT IN ORDER TO MAKE IT EASIER, UM, TO ADD THEM INTO THE AIRSPACE.
AND IT WOULD ALSO REQUIRE THE F A A TO ISSUE RULES FOR ADVANCED AIR MOBILITY AIRCRAFT, AS WELL AS PILOT CERTIFICATION.
THE STATE OF TEXAS HAS LIMITED REGULATORY POWERS DUE TO F A A PREEMPTION OVER THE FEDERAL AIRSPACE.
UM, CHAPTER 4, 2 3 OF THE GOVERNMENT CODE ESTABLISHES SOME RULES FOR THE USE OF DRONES.
ONE NOTABLE, UM, SECTION IN THERE RESTRICTS MUNICIPALITIES FROM ADOPTING OR ENFORCING ORDINANCES THAT REGULATE THE OPERATION OF DRONES.
AND IN THE MOST RECENT LEGISLATIVE SESSION, AN ACT RELATED TO ANTS, ADVANCED AIR MOBILITY, UH, WAS PASSED THIS REACTIVATES A, UH, WORKING GROUP OF LOCAL GOVERNMENT AND INDUSTRY.
UM, THEY'RE GONNA REVIEW CURRENT, UM, LAWS IN TEXAS AND REPORT BACK IN NOVEMBER OF 2024 ON WHAT LEGISLATION NEEDS TO BE CHANGED OR INTRODUCED IN ORDER TO, UM, ALLOW THIS NEW TECHNOLOGY TO OPERATE IN TEXAS.
SO, AS YOU CAN SEE, LOCAL MUNICIPALITIES HAVE VERY LITTLE REGULATORY POWER OVER AIRCRAFT OPERATIONS.
THE F A A PREEMPTS MOST OPERATIONAL ASPECTS SUCH AS FLIGHT PATHS, ALTITUDE AND FREQUENCY, UH, PACKAGE CONTENT, AND THE SAFETY AND TRAINING REQUIREMENTS FOR BOTH AIRCRAFT AND PILOTS.
THE STATE HAS THEIR RESTRICTION ON MUNICIPALITIES PASSING ORDINANCES THAT, UM, AFFECT THE OPERATION OF DRONES, WHICH IS AN ADDITIONAL BARRIER TO LOCAL REGULATIONS.
HOWEVER, THE CITY IS ABLE TO REGULATE GROUND SIDE FACILITIES SUCH AS HUBS.
UM, I WILL NOTE THAT THE F A A WAS PROVIDED WITH A DRAFT COPY OF OUR ORDINANCE.
THE FIRST VERSION, UM, THEY REVIEWED IT AND THEY SAW NO ISSUES WITH A PREEMPTION IN THAT FIRST DRAFT.
IN TERMS OF THE PROPOSED AMENDMENTS, THEY CONSIST OF THREE NEW DEFINITIONS, TWO AMENDED DEFINITIONS, TWO NEW LAND USES, AND ONE NEW SECTION THAT WOULD CONTAIN THE USE SPECIFIC REGULATIONS FOR THOSE NEW LAND USES.
GETTING THE EASY ONES OUTTA THE WAY FIRST, UM, TWO AMENDED DEFINITIONS FOR HELIPORT AND HELI STOP MOSTLY THE SAME AS EXISTING.
HOWEVER, THE WORD HELICOPTER IS SWAPPED OUT FOR ROTARY WING AND TILT ROTOR PASSENGER AIRCRAFT.
THIS, THIS IS INTENDED TO ALLOW FOR THOSE ADVANCED MOBILITY AIRCRAFT IN ADDITION TO HELICOPTERS TO USE THESE SITES.
AND THIS LANGUAGE IS THE SAME AS WHAT WAS PRESENTED IN THAT JUNE MEETING.
UH, TWO DEFINITIONS FOR COMMERCIAL DRONE DELIVERY HUBS ARE PROPOSED.
UH, THE FIRST IS FOR A LARGE HUB, SO COMMERCIAL DELIVERY, DRONE HUB BRACKET LARGE.
UH, THIS WOULD BE ABLE TO PROVIDE TAKEOFF AND LANDING AREAS FOR DRONES OF ANY SIZE.
WITHIN THE SECOND DEFINITION BEING FOR SMALL DELIVERY HUBS, UM, THESE ARE LARGELY THE SAME AS THE LARGE HUBS, EXCEPT THEY WOULD ONLY BE ABLE TO PROVIDE TAKEOFF AND LANDING AREAS FOR SMALL DRONES, UM, WHICH ARE 55 POUNDS OR LESS.
THE PURPOSE OF HAVING THESE TWO DEFINITIONS IS TO ALLOW THE CITY TO SET MORE STRICT STANDARDS AND OVERSIGHT FOR THOSE LARGER HUBS WHILE ALLOWING THESE SMALLER ONES TO OPERATE BY RIGHT, AND AVOIDING SOME OF THAT REGULATORY PROCESS.
THE FINAL DEFINITION THAT WOULD BE ADDED IS FOR THE TAKEOFF AND LANDING AREA.
UM, THIS IS NOT A LAND USE USE.
THE TAKEOFF AND LANDING AREA IS ONE PIECE OF A DRONE HUB.
IN TERMS OF THE, UM, ZONING DISTRICT USE TABLES AS MENTIONED, THOSE TWO USES WOULD BE ADDED.
SO THE SMALL HUBS AND THE LARGE HUBS, UM, BOTH WOULD BE PERMITTED AS PRIMARY USES IN THE CE.
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LIGHT INDUSTRIAL ONE AND LIGHT INDUSTRIAL TWO DISTRICTS.HOWEVER, THE LARGE DRONE HUB WOULD REQUIRE AN S U P.
THE LARGE DRONE HUB WOULD ALSO BE, UM, ALLOWED BY SS U P, UM, AS AN ACCESSORY USE.
UM, IN THOSE THREE DISTRICTS, THE SMALL DRONE HUBS WOULD BE PERMITTED BY RIGHT ACCESSORY TO, UM, CERTAIN IDENTIFIED RETAIL AND WAREHOUSE USES IN ANY, UH, NON-RESIDENTIAL DISTRICT IN THE CITY.
UM, NONE OF, OR NEITHER OF THE HUBS WOULD BE PERMITTED IN A RESIDENTIAL DISTRICT.
AND THIS IS A MAP, UH, SHOWING WHERE IN THE CITY, UM, THEY MAY BE PERMITTED.
SO PURPLE IS WHERE, UM, IT WOULD BE PERMITTED, PERMITTED AS A PRIMARY OR ACCESSORY USE.
SO THAT'S OUR C E L I ONE AND L I TWO DISTRICTS.
AND THEN RED ARE ALL THOSE OTHER NON-RESIDENTIAL DISTRICTS WHERE DRONE HUBS WOULD BE SMALL.
DRONE HUBS WOULD BE ALLOWED AS AN ACCESSORY USE, UM, TO THOSE CERTAIN WAREHOUSE AND RETAILING USES.
THE BULK OF THE, UM, NEW REGULATIONS ARE IN SECTION 15, WHICH IS THE USE SPECIFIC STANDARDS.
UM, THESE WOULD APPLY TO BOTH THE SMALL AND LARGE DRONE HUBS, EXCEPT THERE'S A FEW INSTANCES, UH, WHERE THEY ARE CALLED OUT INDIVIDUALLY.
SO AS AN ACCESSORY USE, UM, UH, DETACHED ACCESSORY BUILDINGS WOULD BE LIMITED TO 10% OF THE FLOOR AREA OF THE PRIMARY BUILDING ON THE PROPERTY.
UM, THE INTENT OF THAT IS TO LIMIT THE SIZE OF ACCESSORY BUILDINGS THAT MAY BE DIFFICULT TO REPURPOSE IF THE DRONE HUB WERE TO LEAVE THE SITE.
AND ALSO TO ENCOURAGE THE USE OF EXISTING, UM, OR VACANT, UH, SUITES WITHIN THE PRIMARY, UM, BUILDING.
UH, NEXT UP WE HAVE STANDARDS FOR THE TAKEOFF AND LANDING AREAS, UM, THROUGHOUT THESE SLIDES THAT'LL BE ABBREVIATED AS TOLA.
SO FIRST OFF, THE PLACEMENT OF THE TAKEOFF AND LANDING AREA.
UM, IT WOULD NOT BE, UM, ABLE TO BE PLACED WITHIN ANY REQUIRED BUILDING SETBACKS AS SHOWN IN RED ON THE SCREEN WITHIN ANY REQUIRED LANDSCAPE EDGE, WITHIN ANY FIRE LANES, EASEMENTS, MANEUVERING AISLES, CUSTOMER PICKUP LANES REQUIRED LOADING SPACES OR REQUIRED PARKING SPACES OR SO AS TO OBSTRUCT VISIBILITY OR INTERFERE WITH PEDESTRIAN OR VEHICLE CIRCULATION.
ALL OF THESE ARE MORE OR LESS IDENTICAL TO THE CURRENT STANDARDS FOR OPEN STORAGE IN THE ZONING ORDINANCE.
AND TO SHOW THOSE ALL TOGETHER, IT COVERS A FAIR BIT OF THIS SITE.
UM, OUR SAMPLE SITE IS A SMALL, PROBABLY PAD SITE.
UM, THERE WOULD BE A LITTLE BIT MORE FLEXIBILITY ON OUR LARGER, UH, PROPERTY THROUGHOUT THE CITY.
THE SIZE OF THE TAKEOFF AND LANDING AREA WOULD BE LIMITED TO 5% OF THE LOT AREA.
WHEN THE DRONE HUB IS AN ACCESSORY USE, THERE WOULD BE NO LIMIT WHEN IT IS A PRIMARY USE OF THE PROPERTY.
WE'RE ALSO PROPOSING THERE, THERE WOULD BE NO LIMIT TO A TAKEOFF AND LANDING AREA THAT IS LOCATED ON THE ROOF OF THE PRIMARY BUILDING.
UH, THE INTENT HERE IS TO MANAGE THE SIZE OF THE TAKEOFF AND LANDING AREAS AND TO INCENTIVIZE, UH, USE OF THE ROOF AT GRADE.
UM, SCREENING IS NOT REQUIRED FOR THE TAKEOFF AND LANDING AREA UNLESS IT INCLUDES ITEMS THAT WOULD TYPICALLY FALL UNDER OUR DEFINITION OF OPEN STORAGE.
SO THINGS LIKE TRAILERS OR SHIPPING CONTAINERS, OR ANY OTHER, UM, STRUCTURE OR MOVABLE MATERIAL THAT WOULD NORMALLY FALL INTO OUR REQUIREMENTS FOR OUT FOR OPEN STORAGE.
THOSE WOULD NEED TO BE SCREENED CONSISTENT WITH THE REQUIREMENTS FOR, UH, OPEN STORAGE.
AND THE INTENT HERE IS TO TREAT THESE USES FAIRLY AND TO FIND A BALANCE BETWEEN, UM, AESTHETIC CONCERNS AND SAFETY CONSIDERATIONS ON ROOFTOPS SCREENING WOULD BE REQUIRED FOR THE TAKEOFF AND LANDING AREA.
UM, AGAIN, THIS WOULD BE CONSISTENT WITH OUR CURRENT REQUIREMENTS FOR MECHANICAL UNITS.
UM, ON TOP OF ROOFTOPS, THERE WOULD BE SOME EXCEPTIONS.
UM, FOR HEIGHT, GENERALLY, UM, THE SCREENING AND ANY STRUCTURES WOULD BE REQUIRED TO COMPLY WITH A MAXIMUM BUILDING HEIGHT IN THE DISTRICT.
HOWEVER, WE ARE SUGGESTING ONE EXCEPTION FOR A MAST WITH A WIND SOCK.
AND THEN ANY COMMUNICATIONS INFRASTRUCTURE WOULD FALL INTO OUR, UM, UH, REQUIREMENTS AND EXCEPTIONS FOR COMMERCIAL ANTENNAS, WHICH IS IN A DIFFERENT SECTION OF THE ORDINANCE.
UH, NOISE SENSITIVE BUFFERS ARE ALSO PROPOSED.
THIS IS WHERE WE GET INTO DIFFERENCES BETWEEN THESE SMALL AND THE LARGE HUBS.
SO FOR A SMALL DRONE HUB, AGAIN, THOSE THAT ARE PROVIDING,
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UM, TAKEOFF AND LANDING AREAS FOR AIRCRAFT 55 POUNDS OR LESS, WE ARE PROPOSING A 150 FOOT BUFFER FROM THE EDGE OF THE TAKEOFF AND LANDING AREA TO THOSE, UM, IDENTIFIED SENSITIVE USES FOR THE LARGE HUBS.THIS INCREASES TO A 300 FOOT BUFFER.
WE ARE ALSO INCLUDING, UM, A PROVISION THAT THE CITY COUNCIL MAY REDUCE THAT 300 FOOT BUFFER TO 150 FEET.
UM, WHEN CONSIDERING THE, UM, SPECIFIC USE PERMIT, THE INTENT HERE IS TO MITIGATE NOISE RELATED NUISANCE AND TO APPLY NOISE SEPARATION STANDARDS FAIRLY.
UM, I'LL NOTE THAT THAT 150 FOOT BUFFER IS EQUIVALENT TO OUR CURRENT REQUIREMENTS FOR OTHER, UM, NOISE GENERATING USES IN THE RESIDENTIAL ADJACENCY STANDARDS SECTION OF OUR ZONING ORDINANCE.
UH, FINALLY WE HAVE A PARKING RATE.
UM, THIS WOULD APPLY ONLY TO A DRONE HUB THAT IS A PRIMARY USE OF THE PROPERTY.
ACCESSORY USES DO NOT REQUIRE THEIR OWN PARKING AS A PRIMARY USE.
UM, WE ARE SUGGESTING A PARKING RATE OF ONE SPACE PER 1000 SQUARE FEET OF WAREHOUSING SPACE, AND THEN ONE SPACE PER 300 SQUARE FEET OF ANY OTHER BUILDING SPACE.
WHEN WE HAVE A DRONE HUB THAT DOES NOT HAVE ANY BUILDINGS, WE'RE SUGGESTING A PARKING RATE OF ONE SPACE PER 300 SQUARE FEET OF THAT DESIGNATED TAKEOFF AND LANDING AREA.
SO, AS A BACKEND SUMMARY, UH, WE ARE PROPOSING AMENDED DEFINITIONS TO ALLOW FOR ADVANCED MOBILITY AIRCRAFT.
WE'RE PROPOSING NEW DEFINITIONS TO ALLOW FOR COMMERCIAL DRONE DELIVERY HUBS, AS WELL AS USE SPECIFIC STANDARDS FOR THESE HUBS.
THE INTENT IS TO SUPPORT THE MEASURED IMPLEMENTATION OF THESE NEW TECHNOLOGIES IN THE COMMUNITY, ADDRESS NOISE IMPACTS ON NEIGHBORING PROPERTIES, AND MAINTAIN CONSISTENCY AMONG SIMILAR USES AND STANDARDS THAT ALREADY EXIST IN THE ZONING ORDINANCE.
THE PROPOSED AMENDMENTS ARE CONSISTENT WITH THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
UM, THERE'S TWO POLICIES WHICH SUPPORT THE AMENDMENTS AND TWO LAND USE ACTIONS THAT HAVE BEEN IDENTIFIED.
UH, WE'VE RECEIVED THREE WRITTEN RESPONSES.
ALL OF THOSE ARE INCLUDED IN THE PACKET, AND STAFF RECOMMENDS, UM, APPROVAL AS PER THE, UM, AMENDMENTS LOCATED IN THE STAFF REPORT.
AND WITH THAT, I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.
I, UM, READING THROUGH THE LETTERS THAT CAME IN, YOU KNOW, UNLIKE
AND OF COURSE, THEY, UH, IF I WAS IN THEIR SHOES, PROBABLY THE SAME WAY.
I, I DON'T WANT ANY RESTRICTIONS.
I WANNA BE ABLE TO JUST DO WHAT I WANT TO DO.
BUT THERE ARE A COUPLE OF THINGS THAT, THAT POPPED UP.
AND, UM, THE DISTANCE REQUIREMENT, THIS DOESN'T NECESSARILY IN THEIRS, ALTHOUGH IT NOT WORDED THE WAY I'M GONNA WORD IT.
IT SAYS 150 FOOT BUFFER FROM THE PROPERTY LINE OR, OR WHATEVER.
BUT IT DOESN'T SAY FROM RESIDENTIAL OR FROM, UH, ANOTHER BUSINESS OR FROM WHAT, AT LEAST IN THE SUMMARY HERE, I DIDN'T SEE THAT CALLED OUT.
UH, I, I MEANT I ASSUMED YOU MEANT FROM A RESIDENTIAL, BUT IT COULD BE MAYBE YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT SOMETHING ELSE.
THE OTHER WAS SCREENING WAS TALKED ABOUT SEVERAL TIMES AND THEY, THEY CALLED THAT OUT IN HERE.
AND I DON'T KNOW IF WE'VE MADE IT CLEAR, BUT THERE IS A SIGNIFICANT, UH, ISSUE IF WE'RE REQUIRING A SOLID FENCING, LIKE A MASONRY WALL OR SOMETHING NEXT TO THESE PADS.
SO, UH, THEY HAD A CONCERN ABOUT IT AND, AND THAT MADE SENSE TO ME THAT IF, IF WE'RE DICTATING SCREENING THAT ISN'T, UH, PERMEABLE ENOUGH FOR THE AIRFLOW FROM THESE UNITS, WE CREATE CHALLENGES.
SO IS THAT, CAN YOU ADDRESS THOSE TWO ISSUES? YES.
SO IN ORDER, UH, SO FIRST YOU TALKED ABOUT THE SETBACKS, THE BUFFER.
SO THE BUFFERS, UM, THEY ARE MEASURED SLIGHTLY DIFFERENTLY DEPENDING ON THE USE.
SO THEY'RE ALWAYS MEASURED FROM THE EDGE OF THE TAKEOFF AND LANDING AREA.
UM, AND THEN I'LL JUST READ IT OFF HERE.
'CAUSE THAT'S GONNA BE THE EASIEST IF, UM, IT'S F TWO, SO SORRY, IT'S F THREE.
SO THE MEASUREMENT OF THE REQUIRED BUFFER IS TO BE MADE IN A STRAIGHT HORIZONTAL LINE FROM THE EDGE OF THE TAKEOFF AND LANDING AREA, AND ONE TO THE CLOSEST PROPERTY LINE OF A PROPERTY CONTAINING A DWELLING, RETIREMENT AND SUPPORTIVE HOUSING FACILITY OR PUBLIC PARK.
SO IT'S THE PROPERTY LINE FOR THOSE THREE TYPES.
OR TO THE BUILDING FACE OF A DAYCARE CENTER, RELIGIOUS FACILITY, SCHOOL, OR PRIVATE SCHOOL.
SO YOU DON'T HAVE TO GO TO THE PROPERTY LINE OF A SCHOOL? IT WOULD BE TO THE BUILDING FACE, YEAH.
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SO WE'RE NOT REQUIRING SCREENING FOR THE PADS THEMSELVES, BUT SHOULD THERE BE ANYTHING THAT IF THERE WAS NO LANDING PAD THERE, WE WOULD CALL IT OPEN STORAGE? IN THOSE CASES, WE ARE ASKING FOR THE TYPICAL, UM, SIX TO EIGHT FOOT MASONRY FENCE SCREENING.IF THERE IS A TAKEOFF AND LANDING PAD, IT'S AN OPERATION AND THEY USE A CONTAINER OR SMALL PORTABLE UNIT, A POD OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT, THAT'S WHERE THEY STORE THEIR TAKEOFF AND LANDING PAD, THEIR ELECTRONIC GEAR, THEIR MOVABLE WIND SOCK, WHATEVER ELSE IS THAT GONNA THROW THEM INTO.
WELL, NOW YOU'VE GOTTA HAVE A MASONRY WALL.
I, I THINK WE HAVE TO FIGURE THAT PIECE OUT.
BECAUSE ESSENTIALLY WE'RE SAYING YOU CAN'T OPERATE UNLESS YOU TAKE ALL YOUR GEAR AND LEAVE EVERY DAY.
UM, OR YOU GET A BIG ENOUGH SPACE THAT YOU, YOU CAN GET FAR AWAY.
SO I, I'M, I HAVE SOME CONCERNS ABOUT THAT.
UM, THERE'S SOME OTHER COMMENTS AND QUESTIONS, SO LET'S KEEP GOING AND THEN WE'LL CIRCLE BACK PERHAPS, UH, COMMISSIONER KERRY.
UM, WHAT IS, ON THE DEFINITION OF HEA STOP MM-HMM.
UM, UH, HAVE WE, DID WE CONSIDER, UM, TRYING TO, UM, LEGISLATE OPERATING HOURS AT ALL? I, I DIDN'T SEE IT AS PART OF THIS.
AND, AND WHY NOT? IT WAS ONE OF THOSE GRAY AREAS LEGALLY WHERE THE ADVICE THAT WE RECEIVED FROM THE F A A WAS THAT A OWNER OF A, UM, THEY JUST SAID AIRPORT, BECAUSE THAT'S THE WORD THAT THEY USE FOR ANY FACILITY THAT HANDLES AIRCRAFT.
THE OWNER OF AN AIRCRAFT OF AN AIRPORT THAT IS NOT PUBLICLY FUNDED CAN SET OPERATING HOURS.
AND SO THAT MIGHT BE A WAY FOR US TO, LIKE, THROUGH A NEGOTIATION WITH A DRONE HUB OPERATOR, BE LIKE THE S U P IS GRANTED SUBJECT TO OPERATION BETWEEN THIS HOUR AND THIS HOUR.
BUT IT WAS, IT WAS ONE OF THOSE THINGS WHERE WE JUST THOUGHT IT WAS TOO MUCH OF A LEGAL QUAGMIRE POSSIBLY THAT WE LEFT IT OUT.
UM, YOU KNOW, ONE OF THE THINGS YOU, UH, TALKED ABOUT IS 150 FOOT SETBACK, AND THAT THE NOISE WAS THE SAME AS OTHER NOISE ORDINANCES.
IS THERE, DO WE KNOW, IS THERE ANY DIFFERENCE BETWEEN NOISE ON THE GROUND AND NOISE IN THE AIR FROM, YOU KNOW, THE SAME THING? I MEAN, I, I WONDER IF IT'S EQUIVALENT REALLY AS, YOU KNOW, YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THE NOISE THAT WOULD BE GENERATED LARGELY ON THE GROUND.
WELL, NOW WE'RE GONNA GO 150 FEET, BUT IT'S GONNA BE IN THE AIR.
UM, DO, DO WE KNOW IF THAT'S MORE OF A DISTURBANCE? UH, THAT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT I CAN SPEAK TO.
IT'S OUTSIDE MY AREA OF EXPERTISE.
AND, AND, AND TO THAT END THEN, YOU KNOW, AS WE LOOK AT OPERATING HOURS AND 150 FEET AND HOW MANY OF THESE THEY MIGHT BE OPERATING AND HOW MUCH NOISE THEY PUT IN THE AREA.
I MEAN, AS, AS WE SORT THROUGH THIS, I, I, I, I THINK THERE'S SOME THINGS TO THINK ABOUT THERE.
ONE FINAL THING AND, AND, UM, THE CHAIRMAN WAS TALKING ABOUT SOME OF THE NOTES THAT WERE PUT IN THERE, AND ONE OF THE THINGS I DID SEE THAT SEEMED TO MAKE SOME SENSE IS THAT THE SETBACKS AND THE PERCENTAGE OF, OF AVAILABLE LAND THAT COULD BE USED FOR THIS, AND I THINK IT'S 5%, 10% MIGHT BE SOMEWHAT, UH, AN UNLEVEL PLAYING FIELD FOR REALLY SMALL BUSINESSES.
UM, AND SO HOW ARE WE THINKING ABOUT THAT? I MEAN, DO YOU SEE THAT AS A SIGNIFICANT ISSUE? AND DO WE HAVE ANY MITIGATION STRATEGY IF IN FACT, YOU KNOW, THAT WOULD BE A PROBLEM FOR SOMEBODY THAT MIGHT WANNA RUN, RUN ONE DRONE OUT OF A SMALL SITE AND NOW THEY'RE UPSIDE DOWN COMPETITIVELY VERSUS SOMEONE ELSE? FOR SURE.
SO WE, WE DID LOOK INTO THAT, UM, RUNNING SOME ANALYSIS ON HOW, HOW BIG IS A COMMERCIAL PROPERTY IN OUR CITY, AND THEN WHAT IS 5% OF THAT.
UM, FOR THE MOST PART, IN TERMS OF OUR SMALLEST PROPERTIES OUTSIDE OF DOWNTOWN, 'CAUSE DOWNTOWN IS ITS WHOLE DIFFERENT BEAST WITH VERY SMALL PROPERTIES.
UM, OUTSIDE OF DOWNTOWN, YOUR SMALLEST PAD SITES WOULD STILL ALLOW A TAKEOFF AND LANDING AREA OF AT LEAST A THOUSAND SQUARE FEET.
WHERE THINGS START TO GET COMPLICATED ON THOSE SMALL PROPERTIES IS THEY ALSO HAVE TO PROVIDE PARKING.
AND A LOT OF THE TIME, THEY'RE JUST BARELY MEETING THEIR REQUIREMENTS FOR FIRE LANES AND PARKING, PLUS THEIR BUILDING AND THEIR REQUIRED LANDSCAPING.
SO AS YOU SAW ON THAT KIND OF SAMPLE SITE PLAN, YOU, YOU DON'T END UP WITH A BUNCH OF PROPERTY LEFT TO EVEN GET TO THAT 5% ANYWAYS ON THE SMALLER PROPERTIES.
COULD I JUST ADD A REMINDER TOO, THAT WE ARE PREEMPTED ON REGULATING
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OPERATIONS OF THE DRONES, AND SO AS SOON AS THEY GET IN THE AIR, WE CAN'T CONTROL WHAT KIND OF NOISE THEY MAKE.SO, BECAUSE THAT'S PART OF THEIR OPERATION.
UH, MR. BROSKI? YEAH, I KNOW I SAID I WAS ONLY GONNA ASK TWO QUESTIONS, AND SO I'M DOING THE BEST I CAN.
SO I HAVE, UH, TWO CONCERNS WITH THIS.
UH, ONE IS, UM, THE ADDITION OF THE PHRASE TILT RO UH, TILT ROTOR PASSENGER AIRCRAFT.
WHEN I READ IN A FORBES MAGAZINE, UH, MAGAZINE ARTICLE IN 2020, THEY WERE CREATING A, UH, OR VERY NEAR COMPLETION OF A, UH, UH, V 22 OSPREY, UH, TILT ROTOR FOR CIVILIAN USE.
ARE WE WIDENING OURSELVES TO WIDE BY USING JUST A GENERAL PHRASE, TILT ROTOR PASSENGER AIRCRAFT? SO THAT BECOMES A VERY, VERY DIFFICULT THING WITH DEFINING AIRCRAFT BECAUSE THEY, THERE'S REALLY NO GOOD WAY TO CATEGORIZE AIRCRAFT TO ONLY INCLUDE CONVENTIONAL HELICOPTERS.
AND THEN THESE NEW ADVANCED AIR MOBILITY, UM, TYPE OF AIRCRAFT.
UM, IN FACT, WITH THE WAVE THAT SOME OF THIS DEVELOPMENT IS GOING, A COUPLE OF THEM WOULDN'T EVEN BE INCLUDED IN THE ROTARY TYPE BECAUSE THEY'RE USING MICRO JETS EV TECHNOLOGY.
SO IT'S BECAUSE IT'S, THERE'S SO MUCH CHANGE IN THAT SECTOR AND THERE'S SO MUCH DEVELOPMENT AND INNOVATION, IT IS VERY HARD TO NAIL DOWN PARTICULAR TYPES THAT WE WANT TO INCLUDE AND EXCLUDE.
AND I'M GLAD YOU BROUGHT UP DEFINITIONS 'CAUSE YOU MADE A STATEMENT THAT I WANT TO MAKE SURE I UNDERSTAND.
YOU SAID THAT THE F A A DEFINES ANY PLACE WHERE SOMETHING IS LANDING OR TAKING OFF AS AN AIRPORT.
ARE WE GONNA BE CREATING MINI AIRPORTS THROUGHOUT THE CITY BY MAKING THIS A LAND USE FOR THESE PLACES TO LAND AND TAKE OFF FROM? UH, THAT WOULDN'T BE MY UNDERSTANDING.
MY REFERENCE TO THE F A A AND AIRPORT, THAT'S KIND OF THEIR CATCHALL FOR ANYWHERE THAT AN AIRCRAFT, UM, TAKES OFF AND LANDS FROM.
SO IT WOULD INCLUDE OUR CONVENTIONAL AIRPORTS.
IT WOULD INCLUDE HELIPORTS AND HELI PADS, IT WOULD INCLUDE VERTI PORTS, WHICH IS, THOSE ARE THE NEW ONES THAT ARE COMING THAT WE DON'T HAVE IN OUR ORDINANCE.
SO BY USING THEIR DEFINITION THOUGH, WE WOULD BE CREATING MINI AIRPORTS THROUGHOUT THE CITY.
WELL, THEY, THAT'S WHAT THEY WOULD CALL IT.
SO ANY ANYWHERE THAT ACCEPTS AIRCRAFT LANDINGS AND TAKING OFF, THAT'S CONSIDERED A TYPE OF AIRPORT.
I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE I UNDERSTOOD WHAT WE'RE, WHEN WE START ADDING LANGUAGE LIKE THAT, JUST LIKE THE ROTARY, THE TILT ROTOR PASSENGER THINGS, WE NEED TO BE VERY CLEAR WITH THE CITIZENS AS WELL AS EACH OF US ON THE COMMISSION THAT WE ARE KNOW, PUTTING OURSELVES UP FOR.
UM, TWO COMMENTS ON THE QUESTION.
I THINK I REMEMBER A CASE, WAS IT MEDICAL CITY PLANO, WHERE THE, THE STUDY ON NOISE SHOWED THAT MOST OF THE IMPACT WAS ON THE TAKEOFF AND ON THE LANDING, DEPENDING ON THE, UH, AMOUNT OF POWER, ESSENTIALLY YOU USED TO, UM, TO EXECUTE THOSE ACTIONS.
AND TO CHAIRMAN DOWN'S POINT, A SOLID MASONRY WALL WHICH RESTRICTS AIRFLOW INTO THE AREA WOULD INTUITIVELY REQUIRE MORE POWER AND MORE NOISE.
UM, I THINK WE SHOULD LOOK, UH, I I, I'M ADDING ONTO GERMAN DOWN'S POINT.
I THINK WE SHOULD LOOK AT THAT IF THERE'S A WAY TO ALMOST GIVE AN EXCEPTION.
UM, BECAUSE THE BENEFITS TO ME, AT LEAST IN, IN THE LONG RUN MAKE MORE SENSE.
THE QUESTION IS MORE OF, JUST FOR MY REMINDER.
SO THIS IS GONNA BE BY RIGHT IN THOSE THREE DISTRICTS FOR THE SMALL, UM, DRONES, FOR LACK OF A BETTER WORD.
UM, AND SS U P FOR LARGE DRONES.
UM, WHY ARE WE RESTRICTING IT BY RIGHT FROM ANY NON-RESIDENTIAL CLASSIFICATION? I KNOW WE HAVE A REASON, I JUST CAN'T REMEMBER IT.
SO, UM, FOR ALL OF THE LAND USE PERMISSIONS, UM, IN TERMS OF, UH, AS A PRIMARY USE, WE LOOKED
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AT THOSE DISTRICTS THAT ALLOW THE WAREHOUSE AND DISTRIBUTION CENTER USE.AND SO THOSE DISTRICTS ARE WHERE WE'VE IDENTIFIED IT THAT WOULD BEST FIT AS A PRIMARY USE AS AN ACCESSORY USE.
WE'VE IDENTIFIED CERTAIN RETAIL TYPE USES AS WELL AS WAREHOUSE DISTRIBUTION CENTER WHERE, UM, BASED ON WHAT WE'VE SEEN IN THE INDUSTRY, THESE ARE THE BUSINESSES THAT THEY TEND TO CO-LOCATE WITH.
AND THESE USES ARE PERMITTED, UH, BY RIGHT IN EVERY SINGLE NON-RESIDENTIAL DISTRICT IN THE CITY, WITH THE EXCEPTION OF THE OH ONE NEIGHBORHOOD OFFICE DISTRICT.
SO THEY, I'M MISREAD THE ACCESSORY USE WILL BE BY RIGHT? NOT NECESSARILY.
UH, SO A RETAIL STORE, WOULD NOTT NEED TO APPLY FOR AN S U P FOR SMALL DRONE? CORRECT.
SMALL WOULD ALWAYS BE BY, RIGHT.
AND LARGE WOULD ALWAYS BE BY S U P.
UM, DOES THIS PROPOSAL REQUIRE ROOFTOP SCREENING OF THE TAKEOFF AND LANDING AREAS? UH, YES.
IT WOULD'VE, UM, REQUIRE THAT THAT ROOFTOP AREA BE SCREENED CONSISTENT WITH OUR CURRENT REQUIREMENTS FOR MECHANICAL UNITS.
I'M NOT TALKING ABOUT STORAGE, I'M TALKING ABOUT JUST THE TAKEOFF AND LANDING AREAS THEMSELVES.
BECAUSE THE, UM, OPERATORS HAVE SENT US LETTERS WORRYING ABOUT, UH, UH, CREATING, UM, VARYING WIND CONDITIONS THAT MIGHT BE HARMFUL TO THE, UM, THE DRONE AIRCRAFT AS A RESULT OF THE SCREENING WALLS.
UH, WHAT'S THE PURPOSE BEHIND REQUIRING SCREENING? UH, THAT WAS IN THERE MOSTLY TO, UM, CREATE THAT CONSISTENCY AMONG, UM, SIMILAR USES AND EXISTING STANDARDS IN OUR ORDINANCE? SIMILAR USES YOU BOTH USE OF THE ROOFTOP? WHAT SIMILAR USES DO WE HAVE TO DRONE DELIVERY SERVICES? I MEAN, NO, IT'D JUST BE OUR HELIPORTS.
I MEAN, IT SEEMS TO ME THAT THE, UM, THE BUFFERING DISTANCE PROVIDES ADEQUATE PROTECTION FROM, YOU KNOW, NOISE.
SO WHAT DO WE NEED SCREENING FOR? THE SCREENING IS MORE FOR AESTHETIC IS WHAT THE PURPOSE IS FOR THE MECHANICAL UNITS.
I CAN SEE IT FOR STORAGE, BUT OTHERWISE I'M NOT SURE THAT I SEE THAT.
UM, DOES HE HAT'S GOING NUTS ON ITS OWN.
SORRY, MY IPAD SAID YOU JUST SAID, HEY, I'M GONNA PLAY MUSIC.
UM, ALSO, IT'S A GOOD SONG ALSO.
NO, I'M A LITTLE WORRIED THAT, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE BUSINESSES LOCATED IN, UM, YOU KNOW, NEIGHBORHOOD CORNER LOCATIONS, CLOSE TO RESIDENTIAL AREAS.
AND I'M WONDERING IF THEY MIGHT NOT BE COMPETITIVELY INHIBITED FROM INITIATING A DRONE DELIVERY SERVICE BECAUSE OF THEIR LOCATION.
THAT WOULD ALWAYS BE THE CASE.
IF, IF WE WANT TO HAVE SOME SORT OF NOISE SEPARATION, IF WE REMOVE THE NOISE SEPARATION, THEN THEY HAVE THE SAME, UM, I MEAN, I'M THINKING ADVANTAGES OTHER
IT'S GOT RESIDENCES ON TWO OF THE FOUR SIDES, PROBABLY WITH, I'M, I HAVEN'T MEASURED IT, BUT PROBABLY WITHIN 300 FEET OR, OR 150 FEET.
AND THEY MIGHT BE PRECLUDED FROM HAVING A DRONE DELIVERY SERVICE, WHEREAS OTHER C V S LOCATIONS IN LARGER SHOPPING CENTERS MIGHT BE ABLE TO USE IT OR THEIR COMPETITION MIGHT BE ABLE TO USE IT IN OTHER LOCATIONS.
SO IS THERE A FAIRNESS ISSUE HERE ABOUT SOME BUSINESSES BEING PRECLUDED BECAUSE OF THEIR LOCATION? YES, THERE WOULD BE A FAIRNESS ISSUE, BUT THEN THE, I GUESS THE REVERSE OF THAT IS, WOULD THERE BE A FAIRNESS ISSUE IF WE RELAX THAT SETBACK FROM CERTAIN RESIDENTIAL USES MM-HMM.
WHAT SONG WOULD YOU LIKE FOR ME TO PLAY?
LET'S WHAT YOUR IPAD DECIDED
I JUST WANNA SAY HERE, I WANT PLANO TO BE ON THE CUTTING EDGE OF WHATEVER THE BEST IS.
AND I CONTINUE TO NOT UNDERSTAND THIS ITEM, REALLY.
UM, I'LL COME, I'LL KEEP GOING THERE.
IF, IF I CAN GO TO SPRING CREEK AND AVENUE K AND GET ON A LITTLE HELICOPTER AND END UP AT THE OTHER SIDE OF LAKE T IN 25 MINUTES, WE'VE, WE'VE, WE'VE MADE PROGRESS.
WE'RE, I MEAN, I'M ALL FOR IT.
PUT A HELICOPTER IN SIX DIFFERENT,
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OR PUT A AIRPORT IN SIX DIFFERENT LOCATIONS WHERE WE CAN ALL GET THERE AND WE'LL UBER THERE AND WE SHOULDN'T HAVE ANY PARKING THERE, BUT WE'RE NOT ANYWHERE CLOSE TO THAT.MY UNDERSTANDING TODAY FROM THE PRESENTATION WE HAD IS WE'RE DELIVERING CHEETOS PEPTO BMO ICE, ICE, ICE CREAM CHICKEN.
WELL, I DON'T EVEN THINK, I MEAN, WE DID TALK ABOUT A ROTISSERIE CHICKEN
SO THERE'S, SO I DON'T, I DON'T SEE THE POINT AT ALL IN PUTTING A 55 POUND DRONE ABOVE OUR CITY, MAKING THE NOISE OF A LEAF BLOWER THAT WE CAN'T REGULATE TO DROP A CHICKEN IN SOMEONE'S BACKYARD.
I, I DON'T, I DON'T, I DON'T SEE IT.
UM, I DON'T SEE THE POINT AT ALL.
AND SO AS THIS, LIKE, I THINK THIS IS THE WAY OF THE FUTURE, I THINK MAYBE IT'S GONNA GET SOMEWHERE PRODUCTIVE, BUT I DON'T THINK IT'S PRODUCTIVE TODAY.
UM, IF OPEN STORAGE IS REALLY THE ISSUE, I KNOW IN PAST WE'VE MADE EXEMPTIONS FOR CLOTHING DONATION CENTERS, UH, STACKS OF WOOD THAT WOULD TYPICALLY BE OPEN STORAGE.
AND SO IF Y'ALL REALLY THINK THAT THIS MOVES PLANO FORWARD, I DON'T, I MEAN, I THINK THERE'S A WAY TO GET AROUND THE OPEN STORAGE ISSUE, AS WE'VE, I'VE SEEN DONE IN THE PAST.
UM, YOU MENTIONED RESIDENTIAL ADJACENCY STANDARDS AND THAT THE 150 FOOT AND THE 300 FOOT BUFFER WERE KIND OF MODELED ON THAT.
MY RECOLLECTION OF THE RESIDENTIAL ADJACENCY STANDARD, WHEN THERE'S AN ACTUAL NOISE, LIKE A PA SYSTEM, SPEAKER SYSTEM IS, IT'S A THOUSAND FOOT BUFFER.
AM I WRONG ON THAT? YES, THERE'S VARIABLE DISTANCES.
SOME ARE 150, 300, BUT TYPICALLY IT'S IN THAT RANGE.
I WAS REMEMBERING THE ONE THAT HAD NOISE BEING MUCH, MUCH GREATER.
I THINK THERE IS ONE 1000 FOOT, I'M TRYING TO REMEMBER OFFHAND, WE CAN LOOK IT UP, BUT MANY OF THEM ARE 150, 300 FEET.
I THINK IT IS ONLY 1000 FOR THE PUBLIC ADDRESS SYSTEM AND THE REST ARE ONE 50.
AND SO MY POINT IS THAT THE NOISE FROM A DRONE IS GONNA BE MORE SIMILAR TO A PUBLIC ADDRESS SYSTEM, SO THAN SOMETHING ELSE.
LET'S YOU HAVE A SPECIFIC QUESTION FOR STAFF SO WE CAN KINDA MOVE THROUGH.
'CAUSE WE'RE, I'M LIKE, I'D LIKE TO GET TO THE OPEN HEARING GOTCHA.
AND, AND GET ALL THAT SPEECH AND THEN WE CAN HAVE OUR DISCUSSION.
I'M SORRY, MAYBE IT WAS THE TIME IN THE PARKING LOT THAT
SO I'LL, I'LL REST FOR NOW AND OKAY.
DOES ANYONE ELSE HAVE A QUESTION FOR STAFF COMMISSIONER TONG WHO COULDN'T GET HER BUTTON TO WORK? SORRY ABOUT THAT.
UM, MY QUESTION IS THAT WHEN WE HAVE THE SCREEN, ACTUALLY, UM, COMMISSIONER, UM, FRONT OF REMINDED ME THAT WHEN WE HAVE SCREENING REQUIREMENTS FOR THE DRONE AREAS, HAVE WE CONSIDERED THAT THAT AREA COULD BE ALREADY BEHIND A SCREENING WALL SOMEWHERE ELSE WITHIN A LARGER PIECE OF THE PROPERTY? SO SHOULD WE, DO WE HAVE ANY LANGUAGE TO SAY THAT IF THIS AREA IS ALREADY BEHIND ANOTHER WALL OF THE LARGER SHOPPING CENTER, THEN THAT REQUIREMENTS IS NOT, IS ALREADY MET? YES.
SO, UM, THE, THE LANGUAGE IN THIS, UM, ORDINANCE IS THAT THIS SCREENING STANDARDS MUST BE AS PER THE OPEN STORAGE SECTION.
AND THE OPEN STORAGE SECTION SIMPLY SAYS THAT THEY MUST BE SCREENED FROM VIEW OF STREETS AND NEIGHBORING PROPERTIES.
SO IF THERE'S AN EXISTING SCREENING WALL THERE, IT'S ALREADY SCREENED AND THEY WOULDN'T NEED TO ADD ANYTHING.
AND I JUST WANNA KIND OF RESPOND TO THE QUESTION THAT MR. LA, OUR COMMISSIONER LAO SAID ABOUT OUR FUTURE OF THE CITY.
JUST WANNA GIVE YOU AN EXAMPLE.
THEIR KIDS RIGHT NOW ORDERING A CUP OF BOBA TEA TO THEIR RESIDENTS BY GRUBHUB OR BY GOOGLE EATS, BY WHATEVER YOU CAN THINK OF THE DELIVERY SYSTEM.
SO THE CITIZENS OF THE ENTIRE WORLD IS ORDERING STUFF ONLINE AND HAVING THEM DELIVERED TO THEIR HOUSEHOLDS.
SO I THINK THIS IS SOMETHING, IT'S, THIS IS NOT, THIS IS NOT SOMETHING THAT WE WANNA DO OR WE DON'T WANNA DO AS A CITY.
I THINK THIS IS THE FUTURE OF THE CONSUMERS.
THEY WILL REQUIRE, THEY WILL DEMAND TO DO THAT.
UM, BACK TO THE QUESTION ON THE SCREENING ON THE ROOF.
AND, AND I JUST WONDER IS POTENTIALLY PART OF THAT JUST SAFETY FOR THE PEOPLE THAT ARE UP THERE OPERATING THAT THERE'S SOME
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KIND OF PARAPET UP THERE TO, TO PROVIDE SAFETY? I, I WONDER IF THAT MIGHT BE PART OF THE INTENT.SO THE SCREENING DOESN'T COME INTO SAFETY.
UM, THEY WOULD NATURALLY HAVE TO HAVE SOME SORT OF SAFETY RAILS AS PER A BUILDING CODE, BUT A SAFETY RAIL DOESN'T HAVE TO BE, UH, SCREENED.
THAT DOES BRING UP A GOOD QUESTION THOUGH.
AND I DON'T KNOW WHERE THAT WOULD FALL.
LET'S SAY THAT WE CREATE AN ORDINANCES, YOU'RE NOT REQUIRED TO HAVE SCREENING ON A, ON A ROOF AND A DEVELOPER OR A OPERATOR GETS UP THERE.
WHAT FUNCTION ORGANIZATION, DEPARTMENT WITHIN THE CITY IS GONNA SAY YOU CAN OPERATE UP THERE, BUT ONLY IF YOU PUT UP A SAFETY RAIL.
DO WE HAVE TO DO THAT OR IS THAT GONNA BE SOMEWHERE ELSE? IT WOULD LIKELY BE, UM, ANY, SAY A CERTIFICATE OF OCCUPANCY OR A COMMERCIAL PERMIT WOULD GO THROUGH A BUILDING INSPECTIONS DEPARTMENT.
UM, THAT WOULD BE MY BEST GUESS FOR WHERE THAT MIGHT BE CAUGHT.
AND WE KNOW THAT THAT WOULD BE REQUIRED UNDER ANYTHING THAT WE'RE PRESENTING.
THEY'RE GONNA BE REQUIRED TO GET A C E O TO SET A PAD OUT ON A, ON A ROOFTOP, SO.
AND I, I WOULD ALSO ADD, EVEN BEFORE WE GET TO THAT STAGE, UM, OUR BUILDING INSPECTIONS DEPARTMENT DOES REVIEW OUR SITE PLAN APPLICATIONS.
SO IF THEY'RE SHOWING A TAKEOFF AND LANDING AREA LOCATED ON A ROOF, OKAY.
I WOULD HOPE THAT OUR, UH, BUILDING INSPECTIONS CREW WOULD BE CATCHING THAT.
SO, UM, LET'S, RATHER THAN RESPOND TO ME, DO YOU HAVE A QUESTION SPECIFICALLY FOR STAFF? EITHER OF YOU? YES.
ACTUALLY, THAT'S REGARDING THE SCREENING ON ROOFTOP BECAUSE WE KNOW THAT CURRENTLY IN OUR BUILDING, UH, ORDINANCE, THAT IF WE HAVE ON THE ROOFTOP AIR CONDITIONING UNITS, WE REQUIRE SOME KIND OF SCREENING JUST TO SCREEN IT OFF.
SO IF IT'S ON THE ROOFTOP, I STILL THINK WE NEED SCREENING FOR THE, UM, THE HELICOPTER OR SORRY, HOW THE DRONE, YEAH, THE DRONE
SO THAT'S MY, IS THAT A QUESTION OR NO, THAT'S MY RECOMMENDATION.
I THINK WE'RE DONE WITH QUESTIONS THERE.
I AM GONNA OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING 'CAUSE I SHOW THAT THERE'S AT LEAST MAYBE ONE SPEAKER.
ARE YOU STILL HERE, MR. BREMMER? I AM JUST AVAILABLE FOR COMMENT AND QUESTIONS NECESSARY.
SO WITH THAT THEN HE'S AVAILABLE.
DOES ANYONE HAVE A QUESTION FOR AN OPERATOR BASED ON WHAT WE'RE BEING PROPOSED? NO.
SO WE'RE GONNA CLOSE THE BOOK HERE.
NOW LET ME JUST SET THE STAGE HERE.
THIS IS BEING RECOMMENDED FOR APPROVAL, BUT WE ALWAYS HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO SAY, HEY, WE'RE NOT READY TO APPROVE IT YET.
WE WANNA MAKE THESE OTHER CHANGES TO IT.
I ENCOURAGE US TO NOT GET TOO FAR IN THE WEEDS IT'S DEVELOPING.
UM, MY BIGGEST CONCERN IS THAT, UM, IT COMES TO THE OPERATION OF THESE THINGS AND IF THE SCREENING REQUIREMENTS THAT WE'RE PUTTING IN PLACE AREN'T TAKING INTO ACCOUNT THE OPERATION, THE WAY THESE THINGS MOVE, THEN THAT NEEDS TO BE CLARIFIED.
UM, UH, OR, OR I THINK WE RUN THE RISK OF THEM SAYING, I I WE CAN'T DO THIS.
AND THEY ABSOLUTELY NEED TO, THE ABILITY TO STORE THEIR EQUIPMENT ON SITE.
AND I THINK WE HAVE TO BE COGNIZANT OF THIS IS A UNIQUE SITUATION SIMILAR TO MR. LYLE'S COMMENTS ABOUT WE, WE MAKE EXCEPTIONS.
SO I I I WOULD ENCOURAGE US TO THINK ABOUT HOW WE MIGHT MODIFY THIS, UH, BULLET POINTS.
I APPRECIATE THE INCENTIVE OR DRIVE TO MAINTAIN CONSISTENCY.
UM, BUT LIKE WE HAVE VOICED IN SOME WAY, SHAPE, OR FORM, THIS IS UNIQUE.
THERE'S NO SIMILAR USE, SO TO SPEAK.
WE, WE ARE ESSENTIALLY TRYING TO LOOK BEHIND THE CURVE, SO TO SPEAK, AND SEE WHAT'S COMING AND TRY AND ADDRESS THINGS IN A MANNER.
SO, UM, I, THE, THE AMENDED DEFINITIONS, I I I, I HAVE, I AGREE WITH, I HAVE NO PROBLEM WITH THE DEFINITIONS.
I THINK, UM, THE INTERSECTION OF THE WEIGHT ON MANNED LANGUAGE AND WHAT HAVE YOU, KIND OF BOXES, UM, THAT LANGUAGE LEGALLY IN A MANNER THAT ALLOWS US TO, UH, GIVE, UH, OPERATORS, UH, A DECENT GUIDELINE TO JUMP OFF
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FROM.UM, I WOULD PROPOSE THAT WE TAKE A LOOK AT THOSE AREAS WHERE WE ARE TRYING TO MAINTAIN CONSISTENCY AND JUST ACKNOWLEDGE THAT THIS IS DIFFERENT, THIS IS UNIQUE AND, YOU KNOW, REQUIRE THE SCREENING STANDARDS AND OR THE, THE BUFFER SEEMS FINE, UM, BUT TREAT IT AS DIFFERENT AND, YOU KNOW, AND UNIQUE.
SO LET ME ASK A QUESTION IN THE INTEREST OF TIME AND DISCUSSION, UM, FROM STAFF STANDPOINT, YOU'VE MADE A PROPOSAL RECOMMENDATION.
UM, I, I THINK, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU GUYS, I, I'D BE INTERESTED IN MAYBE TRYING TO GET SOME MORE FEEDBACK.
UH, BUT SPECIFICALLY WE KNOW WE HAVE AN ISSUE WITH SCREENING.
I'VE HEARD IT MENTIONED BY LIKE, AND SO I, I THINK WE NEED TO RETHINK THAT PIECE OF IT.
IS THERE ANY OTHER PIECE THAT WE'RE REALLY CONCERNED ABOUT IN THE PROPOSAL? IF WE'RE GONNA ASK STAFF TO GO RE-LOOK AT THIS, I WANT 'EM TO GO RE-LOOK AT IT ONCE AND DEAL WITH IT.
I DON'T WANT 'EM TO BE COMING BACK.
I'M GONNA SAY, WELL, WE DON'T REALLY LIKE THE SETBACK ISSUES TOO.
YEAH, I THINK WE NEED TO LOOK AT SOME OF THE SMALLER SITES.
I MEAN, I, I THINK THAT, YOU KNOW, YOU'VE GOT TO RECOGNIZE THAT IF THE C V S AT THE CORNER WANTS TO TAKE TWO PARKING SPACES AND, AND THEY'RE LANDLOCKED OTHERWISE, AND OTHERWISE THEY COMPLY, I THINK WE'VE GOT TO ALLOW SOME FLEXIBILITY.
UM, RECOGNIZING THAT FOR EVERY DRONE DELIVERY, THAT'S ONE LESS CAR THAT'S COMING THERE.
AND, AND SO WHAT IS THE TRADE OFF FOR SOME OF OUR SMALLER PAD USERS? IS THERE A, YOU KNOW, MAXIMUM X SQUARE FEET AND YOU CAN LOSE X PARKING PLACES OR, YOU KNOW, I THINK, I THINK THAT'S SOMETHING I'M WORRIED ABOUT PRIMARILY FOR THE SMALLER BUSINESSES.
YEAH, YOU KNOW, UM, JUST REAL QUICK NOW, COMMISSIONER LYLE'S COMMENT ABOUT DO WE NEED THIS? AND COMMISSIONER TONG'S COMMENT ABOUT IT'S ALREADY HAPPENING WITH GRUBHUB.
I THINK THAT REALLY LEANS INTO COMMISSIONER'S LYLE POINT THAT THIS IS ALREADY HAPPENING, PEOPLE ARE DELIVERING THIS WAY.
AND SO THEN YOU CAN THINK, WELL, MAYBE WE DON'T NEED IT, BUT, BUT I THEN, THEN I THINK ABOUT IT THIS WAY, THIS IS HAPPENING.
AND IF WE DON'T DO IT, MY CONCERN IS DO WE PUT BUSINESSES IN PLANO AS A, AT A DISADVANTAGE? AND, AND THAT CREATES A DIFFERENT PROBLEM FOR US THAT MAYBE WE DIDN'T ANTICIPATE.
AND SO, YOU KNOW, I THINK IT IS, YOU KNOW, I I STARTED THINKING THROUGH YOUR POINT AND I THOUGHT THERE'S MERIT TO IT, BUT THEN I STARTED THINKING ABOUT THE BUSINESSES THAT MAYBE JUST OVER THE BORDER AND FRISCO NOW ARE TAKING OUR BUSINESS.
SO I THINK IT'S A, IT IS A COMPLEX ISSUE.
I THINK WE HAVE TO GET IT RIGHT.
I SUPPORT WHAT YOU GUYS ARE TALKING ABOUT AND, AND I THINK THAT'S THE RIGHT PATH.
SO I'LL JUST FINISH UP MY THOUGHTS FROM EARLIER.
I THINK THIS IS A SOLUTION LOOKING FOR A PROBLEM.
GRUBHUB'S DOING THIS, BUT WE'RE DOING IT ON THE GROUND.
I THINK WE'LL HAVE AUTONOMOUS CARS THAT ARE DELIVERING PIZZAS AND BOBA TIZ LONG BEFORE WE NEED TO FLY THEM THROUGH THE AIR WITH A LEAF BLOWER.
I JUST, I DON'T, I DON'T SEE IT.
I WOULD TELL STAFF TO JUST REST ON THIS UNTIL WE ACTUALLY KNOW A POINT OF IT.
BECAUSE THERE'S PLENTY OF WAYS THAT MAKE A LOT MORE SENSE TO DELIVER SOMETHING.
I DON'T THINK WE'RE PUTTING ANY PLANO BUSINESSES AT A DISADVANTAGE.
THERE'S NOT EVEN A PRICE ASSOCIATED WITH IT'S FREE.
THERE'S NO, THERE'S NO REVENUE LOST BY HAVING, I MEAN, THERE'S ACTUALLY MONEY GENERATED IF SOMEONE BRINGS IT TO YOU.
SO I JUST, I DON'T THINK I'M GONNA GET THERE NO MATTER WHAT THE POINT IS.
I DON'T SEE, I, I JUST THINK ABOUT 15TH STREET AND 75.
LET'S SAY YOU HAVE STARBUCKS AND LET'S SAY BED BATH AND BEYOND IS STILL THERE, AND LET'S SAY THERE'S A BOOKSTORE IS STILL THERE AND LET'S SAY THERE'S BOSTON MARKET AND HALLMARK AND LIKE, ARE WE JUST IMAGINING ALL THESE PLACES HAVE A PARKING SPOT AND THEY'RE ALL FLYING STUFF? I THINK THE MARKET AND THE OPERATORS WILL DICTATE WHAT HAPPENS THERE.
WE'RE JUST GIVING THEM THE GUIDELINES.
AND I WOULD RATHER HAVE THE GUIDELINES IN PLACE RATHER THAN WAKE UP AND FIND 50 PART-TIME OPERATORS DECIDING THEY'RE GONNA TRY TO DO THIS.
THEN I THINK ONCE THEY LEAVE THE GROUND, WE HAVE NO CONTROL.
SO ONLY THING WE CAN CONTROL IS WHERE THIS MIGHT HAPPEN AND WHAT THAT SPACE MIGHT LOOK LIKE.
IF WE DON'T NEED IT IN 10 YEARS, WE TAKE IT OFF THE BOOKS.
AND I WOULD JUST SAY BOTTOM LINE IS I THINK THIS IS OUR NEXT COTTAGE ORDINANCE THAT ENDS UP WITH A WHOLE BUNCH OF TIME AND EFFORT AND NETS US TO COTTAGES THAT WE END UP REPEALING LATER.
THAT'S WHERE I THINK WE'RE AT.
THAT'S NOT INSTRUCTIONS TO STAFF ON WHAT ELSE WE MIGHT WANT.
WELL, MY INSTRUCTION WILL BE JUST LET IT GO.
UM, I'D LIKE TO SEE THIS HAPPEN IN SOME FORM.
I'D LIKE TO SEE US, YOU KNOW, TAKE SOME TIME AND GET INTO A LITTLE BETTER FORM TO GO FORWARD.
UM, IF A BUSINESS WANTS TO PUT INTO OPERATION A DRONE SERVICE TO DELIVER CHICKENS, ICE CREAM OR OR
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WHATEVER ELSE, I THINK THAT'S A BUSINESS DECISION THAT THAT'S NOT A REASON NOT TO DO IT.IT ALSO INCIDENTALLY TAKES A CAR OFF THE ROAD.
THAT'S LESS TRAFFIC PROBLEMS. MM-HMM.
SO THIS IS SOMETHING I THINK HAS POTENTIAL.
UM, THE ONLY PROBLEM I HAD WAS, IS THE SCREENING ON THE ROOFTOP REALLY NECESSARY? I WOULDN'T VOTE AGAINST IT JUST BECAUSE THERE'S SCREENING ON THE ROOFTOPS.
UNLESS IT CREATED LIKE A HAZARDOUS CONDITION, THEN I'D HAVE A BIG PROBLEM WITH IT.
I WAS JUST QUESTIONING WHETHER IT WAS REALLY NECESSARY TO HAVE IT, BUT IT WASN'T.
SO MAYBE CLEAR AS MUD, BUT RE-LOOK SCREENING IN PARTICULAR.
AND THEN IS THERE A WAY TO TWEAK THE LOCATION SO THAT SMALLER LOCATIONS CAN DO IT? I THINK EVERYBODY'S OKAY WITH THE AREAS THAT ARE BY RIGHT.
AND THEN THE SS U P REQUIREMENT.
I DON'T SEE ANY PROBLEMS WITH, WITH THAT.
PLEASE HEAR WE'VE GOT SOMEONE HERE FOR QUESTION.
WHAT AM WHAT AM I? HELLO? OH, I'M JUST NOT CLOSE ENOUGH.
WE'VE GOT A GENTLEMAN HERE, A DRONE OPERATOR WITH QUESTIONS.
SO I THINK, OR CAN I ASK HIM A QUESTION? OH, THE PUBLIC HEARING'S CLOSED.
OBVIOUSLY SINCE WE'RE GONNA PUSH THIS, THEY'LL HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO COME BACK.
MR. IFF, YOU NEED A MOTION TO TABLE THIS OR WHAT? DO GO AHEAD, ERIC.
YEAH, CAN, CAN I MAKE JUST ONE COMMENT REAL QUICKLY? I THINK JUST SOME CONTEXT ON SCREENING.
WE'VE TALKED A LOT ABOUT SCREENING.
THE CITY'S ALWAYS HAD STANDARDS REGARDING AESTHETICS.
AND SCREENING HAS BEEN A VALUABLE PART OF THAT.
YOU LOOK AT OUR DUMPSTERS, WE HAVE MASONRY ENCLOSURES OF HER DUMPSTERS.
UM, WE HAVE SCREENING REQUIREMENTS FOR ROOFTOP MECHANICAL EQUIPMENT.
SO IF YOU LOOK AT SITE DISTANCES, BUILDINGS, SIZES, THINGS LIKE THAT, THERE'S OPPORTUNITIES WHERE SCREENING MAY NOT BE NEEDED.
HOWEVER, THE GOAL IS TO AGAIN, SCREEN SOME OF THOSE MORE UNSIGHTLY EQUIPMENT ITEMS. SAME WITH OPEN STORAGE.
WE LOOK AT GROUND STORAGE OF EQUIPMENT, OPERATIONS, THINGS LIKE THAT.
JUST THE VISUAL, UM, ASPECTS OF THAT GET A LITTLE CLUTTERED.
AND SO THE CITY HAS JUST ALWAYS GONE ABOVE AND BEYOND, I THINK TO JUST RESPECT THE, THE VIEWS AND AESTHETICS OF THE COMMUNITY.
THAT'S WHY WE HAD THOSE THINGS IN PLACE.
SO I JUST WANNA PROVIDE THAT CONTEXT FOR YOU.
WE CAN DEFINITELY LOOK AT THOSE ISSUES.
AGAIN, BRING YOU BACK SOME INFORMATION, SOME OPTIONS ON THAT REGARDING TABLING.
UH, WE'D BE HAPPY TO, UH, ACCEPT A MOTION FOR TABLING JUST TO A DATE CERTAIN.
SO I THINK, UH, MS. SEBASTIAN, HAVE YOU ALL THOUGHT ABOUT A DATE WHERE YOU MAY, UM, BE ABLE TO BRING THINGS BACK? I, I MEAN, I DON'T, I DON'T KNOW.
I THINK TWO WEEKS IS PROBABLY TOO SHORT.
UM, A MONTH, SEPTEMBER 18TH, SIX WEEKS WOULD PROBABLY BE, UM, MORE PRACTICAL.
THAT IS, UH, OCTOBER 2ND WOULD BE THAT DATE.
WE TABLE THIS, TABLE THIS ITEM UNTIL THE OCTOBER 2ND MEETING.
I HAVE A MOTION BY COMMISSIONER RATLIFF WITH A SECOND BY COMMISSIONER KERRY TO TABLE THIS ITEM UNTIL THE OCTOBER 2ND MEETING WITH THE INSTRUCTION TO BE RELOOKING THE SCREENING AND LOCATION BASED ON OFFSETS OR SETBACKS, UH, TO BENEFIT POTENTIALLY SMALLER, UH, BUSINESS OPERATIONS.
AND THAT ITEM CARRIES SEVEN TO ZERO WITH ONE ABSTENTION BY COMMISSIONER LYLE.
[3. (DS) Public Hearing: Zoning Case 2023-016 - Request for a Specific Use Permit for Day Care Center on 5.2 acres located at the northeast corner of Cross Bend Road and Branch Hollow Drive. Zoned Single-Family Residence-7. Project #ZC2023-016. Petitioner: Cross Bend Christian Church (Legislative consideration)]
THREE.AND I THINK THAT THIS POINT, MR. BRONSON, UH, UH, IN AN EFFORT TO, UH, BE FULLY TRANSPARENT AND TO KEEP MYSELF ABOVE REPROACH, UM, ALTHOUGH I'M NOT LEGALLY REQUIRED TO, UH, I WOULD LIKE TO RECUSE MYSELF AS I SERVE AS AN ELDER FOR, UH, RECLAMATION CHURCH, WHICH IS CROSS BEND CHRISTIAN CHURCH, WHICH IS THE APPLICANT FOR THIS.
AGENDA ITEM NUMBER THREE, PUBLIC HEARING ZONING CASE.
2023 DASH 16 REQUIREMENT FOR DAYCARE CENTER ON 5.2 ACRES LOCATED AT THE NORTHEAST CORNER OF CROSS BEND ROAD AND BRANCH HOLLOW DRIVE ZONE SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENCE SEVEN.
PETITIONER IS CROSS BEND CHRISTIAN CHURCH.
THIS IS FOR A LEGIS LEGISLATIVE CONSIDERATION.
THIS IS A REQUEST FOR A SPECIFIC USE PERMIT FOR A DAYCARE CENTER.
THE SUBJECT PROPERTY IS HIGHLIGHTED IN YELLOW.
THE SUBJECT PROPERTY IS DESIGNATED NEIGHBORHOODS ON THE FUTURE LAND USE DASHBOARD.
THE REQUEST IS IN CONFORMANCE WITH THE DESCRIPTIONS AND PRIORITIES AND MIX OF USES OF
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THE FUTURE LAND USE MAP AND BOARDS.THE DAYCARE CURRENTLY OPERATES AS AN IN-HOME DAYCARE AND A NEARBY RESIDENTIAL HOME.
THE SS U P IS BEING REQUESTED TO EXPAND THE CAPACITY OF THE IN-HOME DAYCARE.
THERE ARE TWO SPECIFIC USE PERMITS FOR DAYCARE CENTER WITH CLOSE PROXIMITY TO THE SUBJECT PROPERTY AS SHOWN ON THE SCREEN.
AND BOTH DAYCARE CENTERS ARE CURRENTLY IN OPERATION.
THE APPLICANT BELIEVES THIS ADDITIONAL SS U P IS NECESSARY AS THEIR BUSINESS IS CURRENTLY OPERATING IN PROXIMITY AND THEY'RE LOOKING TO EXPAND.
WE RECEIVED TWO RESPONSES IN OPPOSITION WITHIN THE 200 FOOT BUFFER AND CITYWIDE.
WE RECEIVED ONE, UM, SUPPORT AND TWO IN OPPOSITION.
AND WE DID RECEIVE AN ADDITIONAL RESPONSE AND OPPOSITION OVER THE WEEKEND.
THAT'S NOT REFLECTED ON THIS MAP FOR A TOTAL OF THREE RESPONSES IN OPPOSITION.
AND THAT CONCLUDES MY PRESENTATION AND I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.
UH, ANY TECHNICAL QUESTIONS OR SPECIFIC QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? OH, MR. OLLIE, CAN YOU GO BACK TO THE MAP THAT SHOWED, UH, OKAY.
NOW GO BACK TO THE OPPOSITION.
IT LOOKS LIKE IT'S ONE OF THE S U P DAYCARES.
IT'S NEXT TO IT, RIGHT? I BELIEVE IT'S THE, THE, IT'S IN THE POCKET
SORRY THAT, THAT, I WAS THINKING IT WAS THE ONE NEXT TO IT, BUT YOU'RE RIGHT.
I JUST, UM, ANY CONCERNS, UH, GIVEN THAT THERE'S S U P S C P? I BELIEVE THERE'S A MONTESSORI NOT FAR FROM THAT PARTICULAR LOCATION.
ANY CONCERNS BY STAFF? AS BY STAFF AS TO WHY AN S U P SHOULD NOT BE GRANTED? NO CONCERNS FROM STAFF.
COMMISSIONER TO, UM, MY QUESTION IS THAT WITH THIS S U P ISSUED, WOULD THE, WOULD IT, UM, KIND OF ENLARGE THE BOUNDARY OF THE EXISTING FACILITY OR MAKE IT, UM, CLOSER TO ANY SURROUNDING RETAILS THAT MAY OR MAY NOT, UM, INCUR SOME CONFORMANCE OF OTHER BUSINESSES? DO YOU KNOW SOME BUSINESS THEY CANNOT BE IN WITHIN CERTAIN, YOU KNOW, DISTANCE TO THE DAYCARE CENTER OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT WHEREBY ENLARGING THE AREA OR ISSUING THIS S O P, COULD IT CAUSE ANY, UM, TROUBLE
DO WE HAVE ANY SPEAKERS ON THIS ITEM? NO, WE DO NOT.
I'LL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING, CONFINED DISCUSSION TO THE COMMISSION.
COMMISSIONER BRUNO, IS THIS ITEM THREE? YES.
UH, MR. CHAIRMAN, I MOVE THAT WE APPROVE ITEM THREE, SECOND MOTION BY COMMISSIONER BRUNO.
SECOND BY COMMISSIONER RATLIFF TO APPROVE ITEM THREE, UH, AS PRESENTED BY STAFF, PLEASE VOTE.
AN ITEM CARRIES SEVEN TO ZERO WITH ONE ABSTENTION.
UH, MR. BRONSKI, NOW WE'RE MOVING ON
[7. (MK) Discussion and Action: Discussion and action with opportunity to call a public hearing to amend the Zoning Ordinance to consider the addition of a land use classification and associated restrictions for Pet Funeral Home and Crematory. Project #DI2023-012. Applicant: Alan and Rene Blakemore]
TO ITEM SEVEN.'CAUSE WE COVERED FOUR, FIVE, AND SIX EARLIER NONPUBLIC NON-PUBLIC HEARING ITEMS. THE PRESIDING OFFICER WILL PERMIT LIMITED PUBLIC COMMENT PER ITEMS ON THE AGENDA NOT POSTED FOR A PUBLIC HEARING.
THE PRESIDING OFFICER WILL ESTABLISH TIME LIMITS BASED UPON THE NUMBER OF SPEAKER REQUESTS, LENGTH OF THE, UH, LENGTH OF THE AGENDA, AND TO ENSURE MEETING EFFICIENCY AND MAY INCLUDE A TOTAL TIME LIMIT AGENDA.
ITEM NUMBER SEVEN IS DISCUSSION AND ACTION.
DISCUSSION AND ACTION WITH OPPORTUNITY TO CALL A PUBLIC HEARING TO AMEND THE ZONING ORDINANCE TO CONSIDER THE ADDITION OF A LAND USE CLASSIFICATION AND ASSOCIATED RESTRICTIONS FOR PET FUNERAL HOME AND CREMATORIUM.
APPLICANT IS ALAN AND RENEE BLAKEMORE.
I'M MELISSA KLEIN, LEAD PLANNER WITH THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT.
SO AT THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION MEETING ON JUNE 19TH, STAFF PRESENTED INFORMATION TO THE COMMISSION WITH A REQUEST TO DETERMINE WHETHER A NEW LAND USE SHOULD BE ADDED TO THE ZONING ORDINANCE TO REGULATE PET FUNERAL, HOME AND CREMATORY SERVICES.
THE PURPOSE OF THIS ITEM IS TO RESPOND TO QUESTIONS FROM THAT JUNE 19TH
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MEETING AND SOLICIT ADDITIONAL DIRECTION FROM THE COMMISSION.COMMISSION ASKED STAFF TO PROVIDE MORE INFORMATION ON HU HUMAN AND ANIMAL CREMATIONS.
SO CREMATION IS THE INCINERATION OF HUMAN OR ANIMAL REMAINS TO PRODUCE ASHES.
WHILE HUMAN AND ANIMAL CREMATOR ARE LICENSED AND DEFINED DIFFERENTLY BY THE STATE.
THE PROCESS AND EQUIPMENT ARE LARGELY THE SAME EXCEPT FOR AN ALTERNATIVE METHOD OF CREMATION, WHICH IS ALLOWED FOR ANIMAL REMAINS ONLY.
UH, THIS METHOD IS ALKALINE HYDROLYSIS IN WHICH ANIMAL REMAINS ARE RAPIDLY DECAYED IN AN ALKALINE WATER SOLUTION UNDER PRESSURE, LEAVING ONLY THE BONES, WHICH ARE THEN TURNED INTO ASHES.
STAFF ALSO RESEARCHED THE HISTORY OF THE CREMATORY USE IN PLANO.
THE ZONING ORDINANCE HAS HISTORICALLY NOT REFERENCED CREMATORY AS A PERMITTED USE.
A MORTUARY OR FUNERAL HOME HAS BEEN ALLOWED IN THE ZONING ORDINANCE SINCE THE FIRST ADOPTION OF THE ORDINANCE, WITH A DEFINITION LATER BEING ADDED IN 1986 AND REMAINING UNCHANGED TODAY, THE CREMATOR OPERATED BY ANIMAL SERVICES ARE PERMITTED UNDER THE GOVERNMENT FACILITY.
LAND USE STAFF REACHED OUT TO THE COMMUNITIES LISTED ON THE SCREEN ABOUT THE IMPACTS OF CREMATORIES, UH, SPECIFICALLY ANIMAL CREMATOR IN THEIR JURISDICTIONS OF THE THREE WHO RESPONDED TO HAVE NOT RECEIVED COMPLAINTS, UH, BUT ONE HAS REGARDING SMOKE, ODOR, AND HEALTH CONCERNS.
ANIMAL SERVICES STAFF HAS CONFIRMED THAT THE CREMATORY AT THE ANIMAL SHELTER IS USED TWICE WEEKLY ON AVERAGE, AND THEY'RE UNAWARE OF ANY PUBLIC COMPLAINTS REGARDING THE OPERATION OF THE CREMATORY.
IF AN ANIMAL CREMATORY IS TO RECEIVE A PERMIT FROM T C E Q, IT MUST MEET SPECIFIC CRITERIA.
ONLY CARCASSES OR ANIMAL PARTS WITH ANY ASSOCIATED PACKAGING SHALL BE PROCESSED.
STATE REGULATIONS DO NOT DIFFERENTIATE AMONG TYPES OR CATEGORIES OF ANIMALS, SUCH AS PETS, LIVESTOCK, OR ROADKILL.
HOWEVER, FACILITIES MAY NOT ACCEPT ANIMAL CARCASSES THAT EXCEED THE CAPACITY OF THEIR LARGEST INCINERATOR AND MAY NOT DISMEMBER ANY CARCASSES DURING THE PROCESSING.
THE STATE ALSO HAS A VARIETY OF REGULATIONS REGARDING THE OPERATION AND MAINTENANCE OF INCINERATOR.
FACILITIES HAVE TO MAINTAIN RECORDS OF ALL MONITORING AND TESTING RESULTS, HOURS OF OPERATION AND QUANTITY OF WASTE BURNED.
AND ALL INCINERATORS MUST BE OPERATED IN CONFORMANCE WITH THE MANUFACTURER OPERATING PROCEDURES.
THERE ARE ADDITIONAL REQUIREMENTS AS PART OF THE T C E Q PERMIT REGARDING AIR POLLUTION AND ASH CONTROL.
AND THEN THE ZONING ORDINANCE ALSO INCLUDES PERFORMANCE STANDARDS IN ARTICLE 24, WHICH INCLUDE REGULATIONS REGARDING SMOKE IN PARTICULATE MATTER AS WELL AS ODOR.
SO FOR PREVIOUS DIRECTION, AT THE JUNE 19TH MEETING, THE COMMISSION DIRECTED STAFF TO INCLUDE PET FUNERALS IN THE MORTUARY FUNERAL HOME USE TO BE TREATED AS THE SAME AS HUMAN FUNERALS.
IF THE COMMISSION FINDS THAT CREMATORY IS APPROPRIATE FOR PLANO AND DIRECT STAFF TO ADD A NEW USE, UM, TO THE ZONING ORDINANCE, A DRAFT DEFINITION WOULD BE CREATED FOR THE COMMISSION AND CITY COUNCIL'S CONSIDERATION.
A POTENTIAL DEFINITION IS SHOWN HERE.
A BUILDING STRUCTURE OR PART THEREOF USED FOR THE PURPOSES OF THE CREMATION OF HUMAN OR ANIMAL REMAINS.
A CREMATORY SHALL HAVE APPROPRIATE PERMITS, LICENSING AND OR REGISTRATION BY THE STATE OF TEXAS.
AT THIS TIME, STAFF IS REQUESTING THE COMMISSION PROVIDE DIRECTION ON, UH, THE QUESTIONS SHOWN HERE.
ONE, SHOULD CREMATORY BE ADDED AS A USE IN THE ZONING ORDINANCE? AND IF SO, SHOULD IT INCLUDE HUMAN AND ANIMAL REMAINS OR ONLY ONE OR THE OTHER? AND TWO, SHOULD NO CHANGES BE MADE AT THIS TIME SO IT REMAIN AN UNLISTED AND DISALLOWED USE.
AND OUR RECOMMENDATION STAFF RECOMMENDS THAT PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION PROVIDE DIRECTION REGARDING THE CREMATORY LAND USE AND CALL A PUBLIC HEARING TO AMEND THE ZONING ORDINANCE TO MAKE ANY DIRECTED CHANGES REGARDING THE USE IF APPROPRIATE.
I WILL GO BACK TO THE DIRECTION SIDE HERE AND I CAN ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.
SO, UM, JUST FOR THE COMMISSION'S PURPOSE, WE'RE NOT GETTING INTO THE TECHNICAL SIDE OF, OF ANY OF THIS.
UM, SO REALLY FOR US, IT'S A PRETTY SIMPLE DECISION.
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DO WE WANNA ALLOW CREMATORY, PET, HUMAN OR BOTH? OR EITHER.I GUESS IN THE CITY OF PLANO, IT'S, IT'S PRETTY BASIC.
THAT'S ALL THAT THAT'S BEING ASKED.
UM, ULTIMATELY I THINK IT WOULD COME DOWN TO MORE OF A WHERE DO WE WANNA ALLOW IT THAN ANYTHING ELSE.
BUT RIGHT NOW, SHOULD IT BE ADDED AS A USE IN THE ZONING ORDINANCE? ANYONE OPPOSED TO THAT? COMMISSIONER TONG? YOU'RE OPPOSED TO IT OR YOU HAVE A COMMENT OR A QUESTION? I'M, I'M OPPOSED TO IT.
YOU DON'T HAVE TO APOLOGIZE FROM REAL ESTATE POINT OF VIEW.
I THINK IF WE ALLOW THE USE OF CREARY, THERE WILL BE PEOPLE GETTING INTO THE BUSINESS OF DOING THAT.
AND I THINK MOST OF THE HOMEOWNERS, WHEN THEY BUY A HOME, THEY DO NOT WANNA BE ASSOCIATED OR CLOSE TO, THAT'LL DECREASE THE VALUES OF THE CITY.
WELL, AND THAT'S WHY I SAID, I MEAN ALLOWING, IT'S ONE THING WHERE WE ALLOW IT SOMETHING DIFFERENT.
WELL, IF YOU ALLOW IT, SOMEONE WILL DO IT.
BUT WE MAY SAY IT'S ONLY ALLOWED IN LIGHT INDUSTRIAL.
WELL THAT'S NOT GONNA BE NEXT TO SOMEBODY'S HOUSE.
DOES THAT MAKE SENSE? THERE WILL BE, THERE WILL BE RESIDENTIAL AREAS ALONG THE, UH, AROUND THE LIGHT INDUSTRIAL AREAS.
I THINK THAT'LL DECREASE THE VALUE OF THE HOMES.
ALRIGHT, SO IN GENERAL THOUGH, THE QUESTION, SHOULD CREMATORY BE ADDED AS A USE IN THE ZONING ORDINANCE? AND I, I THINK IN GENERAL EVERYONE WAS YES, IT'S MAYBE.
SO YES, WE WANT TO INCLUDE THAT.
SO THEN FROM THERE WE CAN GO, ALRIGHT, HOW, HOW DO WE, YOU KNOW, WHERE DO WE DO IT? NUMBER TWO IS, OR SHOULD NO BE CHANGES.
SO WE'RE GIVING YOU DIRECTION ONE, IT SHOULD BE ALLOWED.
SO THEN WHERE DO WE GO FROM HERE? I DON'T KNOW THAT, DO WE WANT TO CALL A PUBLIC HEARING OR DO WE WANT TO HAVE A DRAFT? YEAH, I'M SEEING THAT WE'LL GET THERE IN A SECOND.
I THINK IT'S UP TO THE COMMISSION.
UM, IF YOU CALL A PUBLIC HEARING, WE CAN BRING THAT BACK TO YOU IN THE FUTURE.
IT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE IMMEDIATE.
WE COULD HAVE ADDITIONAL DISCUSSION, UM, PRIOR TO ADOPTION, EVEN PRIOR TO OUR HEARING IF YOU PREFER.
MR. IFF, IF YOU DON'T WANT ME TO GET INTO THE TECHNICAL, MY QUESTION IS JUST A REALLY SIMPLE ONE FOR STAFF.
MY UNDERSTANDING OF YOUR REPORT IS THAT CRONS REQUIRE A T C E Q PERMIT, CORRECT? FOR EMISSIONS? YES.
UM, IF AND WHEN WE HAVE A PUBLIC HEARING FOR THIS, I'D BE CURIOUS TO KNOW WHAT OTHER USES REQUIRE A T C E Q PERMIT AND WHAT ZONING CLASSIFICATIONS ARE THEY CURRENTLY ALLOWED IN? OKAY.
YES, WE CAN LOOK INTO THAT FOR THE THANK YOU FUTURE.
MY ASSUMPTION IS THAT NOW THAT WE'VE SAID YES, THAT STAFF WILL DO, ITS USUAL SIX FOOT DEEP, PARDON THE PUN.
DIVE DIG INTO ALL OF THE THINGS ASSOCIATED WITH, UH, THAT, SO, UH, MR. BRUNO? THANK YOU MR. CHAIRMAN.
UM, WHAT IS THE ZONING DISTRICT IN WHICH THE CITY'S CURRENT ANIMAL CREMATORIUM IS LOCATED? OH, WE'LL NEED A MOMENT TO, TO LOOK THAT UP.
UM, I BELIEVE IT'S INDUSTRIAL.
I WOULD RECOMMEND THAT WE ALLOW IT IN INDUSTRIAL DISTRICTS AND WHATEVER THAT ZONING DISTRICT IS.
UH, ONE OF THE QUESTIONS I THINK WE MIGHT WANNA, UM, DETERMINE HOW MUCH WE CONTROL IT IS WHAT KIND OF, FROM HOW FAR AWAY WILL IT, WE ALLOW BODIES TO BE BROUGHT TO BE CREMATED AND WHAT EFFECT THAT MIGHT HAVE ON OUR CITY.
SO I DON'T KNOW HOW MUCH WE CAN CONTROL THAT OR HOW MUCH WE WANT TO, BUT I'D BE INTERESTED IN DISCUSSING IT AT LEAST.
WELL, I THINK IT'S ILLEGAL TO CARRY 'EM ACROSS STATE LINES, SO WE'LL, WE'LL GO FROM THERE.
SO FROM STAFF STANDPOINT, UM, I, I DON'T KNOW THAT WE WANT TO CALL A PUBLIC HEARING AND SET A DATE AT THIS POINT, BUT WE'LL ALLOW YOU TO BRING BACK, I'M ASSUMING, LIKE WE'VE SAID, YOU'LL DO YOUR RESEARCH, BUT THE MAIN QUESTION THAT YOU NEEDED WAS, ARE WE GONNA ALLOW IT? AND IT LOOKS LIKE IN GENERAL THERE'S AN AGREEMENT TO ALLOW THAT.
AND IF I MAY ASK, UM, DO YOU HAVE DIRECTION ON THE ANIMAL OR HUMAN PART? I DON'T RECALL IF THAT WAS CLEAR.
I I DON'T WANNA DIFFERENTIATE PERSONALLY, NO.
SO IF IT'S A CREMATORY IT'S A CREMATORY.
WELL, THEY'LL MAKE THAT PROPOSAL WITH RESEARCH PROBABLY IN WHERE IT'S ALLOWED IN OTHER CITIES AND ALL THAT STUFF.
SO WE'LL LEAN ON THEM FOR THAT.
NO, WHEN IT COMES BACK, I WAS HOPING IT WOULD COME BACK IN THE FORM OF A PROPOSED ORDINANCE THAT WE CAN APPROVE OR DISAPPROVE, YOU KNOW, VOTE ON AS A, AS SOMETHING TO SEND TO THE COUNCIL.
WE CAN, IT'S UP TO THE COMMISSION IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO CALL THE HEARING, THEN WE'LL BRING IT BACK
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AS AN ORDINANCE FOR CONSIDERATION.OTHERWISE WE'LL BRING IT BACK AS AN ADDITIONAL DISCUSSION ITEM.
WE COULD PUT IT IN THE FORM OF THE ORDINANCE.
SO YOU CAN SEE ALL THE CHANGES BEFORE YOU CALL THE HEARING.
I'D SAY LET'S JUST, LET'S GET, LET'S BRING IT BACK ONCE.
THERE'S NO NEED TO BRING IT BACK TWICE.
LET'S JUST, LET'S HAVE A HEARING ON AN ORDINANCE.
ARE YOU LOOK, IS THIS AT 48? 40, WHAT IS IT 14TH STREET? NO, I THINK THIS IS OFF OF PLANO PARKWAY.
RIGHT BETWEEN WHERE THE, WHERE 14TH STREET AND PLANO PARKWAY JOIN 15TH STREET.
THAT 15TH STREET, THAT IS THE, THE 48 40 14TH STREET IS A PREVIOUS LOCATION OF THE ANIMAL SERVICES.
SO THERE IS A, AN OLD CREMATORY THAT IS THERE.
UM, BUT THE ANIMAL SERVICES SHELTER IS ON PLANO PARKWAY.
UM, MORE IN THE CENTER OF TOWN.
I WAS JUST TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHERE IT WAS AND YES, I GUESS THIS, THE OLD ONE WAS ALLY ONE AS WELL WITH RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOOD RIGHT NEXT DOOR, WHICH MAY BE WHY WE MOVED IT.
UH, RESEARCH TECHNOLOGY CENTER.
ACTUALLY I SAW THAT TOO, BUT IT'S ALL PURPLE, SO.
YEAH, I DIDN'T KNOW WHICH ONE IT WAS.
'CAUSE I, ONE'S PURPLE AND THEN THE RT IS PURPLE, BUT, OKAY.
SO IT'S MOVED AND I KNOW WHERE IT IS NOW.
HOW MUCH TIME THE STAFF WANT TO BRING SOMETHING BACK? UH, IF YOU JUST DIRECT US EITHER TO CALL THE HEARING OR BRING BACK A DISCUSSION, WE'LL DO THE RESEARCH AND THEN SET A DATE AS NEEDED.
SO DO YOU NEED SIX WEEKS? DO WE WANNA DO OCTOBER AGAIN OR WHAT DO YOU WANT? YOU YOU DO NOT HAVE TO SET A DATE.
ALRIGHT, SO, UH, IN THAT CASE WE WANT TO, UH, TAKE A MOTION TO CALL A PUBLIC HEARING.
I MOVE, WE CALL A PUBLIC HEARING TO AMEND THE ZONING ORDINANCE.
TO AMEND THE ZONING ORDINANCE.
SO WE HAVE A MOTION BY COMMISSIONER BRUNO FOR A SECOND BY COMMISSIONER RATLIFF TO CALL A PUBLIC HEARING TO AMEND OUR ZONING ORDINANCE TO MAKE CHANGES REGARDING, UH, CREMATORIES AND PET FUNERAL, UH, FACILITIES.
AND THAT ITEM CARRIES EIGHT TO ZERO.
[8. (CS) Discussion: Short-Term Rental Study Update - Presentation of Short-term Rental Study progress to date. Project #DI2023-014. Applicant: City of Plano ]
ITEM EIGHT.WE HAVE AN UPDATE ON SHORT-TERM RENTALS.
I REQUESTED, UH, TO SPEAK ABOUT THIS TOPIC.
UH, WOULD YOU LIKE TO SPEAK? YES, JUST, JUST ROLL.
MY NAME'S ALAN AHOR, MY WIFE AND I FOR LOOKING AT, UH, OPEN UP THE CREMATORY.
I WAS JUST GONNA ASK YOU, UM, UH, THANK YOU FOR CONSIDERING AN INSPECTION STAND LIFE, BUT, UH, MY WIFE AND I, UM, WE ARE, OUR RETORT IS ON ORDER, WAS HOPING TO BE HERE AROUND JANUARY 1ST.
UH, WE ARE CURRENTLY LIMITED TO LOOKING IN MCKINNEY, TEXAS, AND BY THE WAY, MCKINNEY IS LIGHT INDUSTRIAL IS HOW THEY, UH, HAVE, UH, THE ZONING FOR, UH, UM, THE CREMATORY.
UH, SO I WAS JUST WONDERING IF THERE'S ANY WAY IT COULD BE EXPEDITED SO WE HAVE SOME TIME TO MAYBE CONSIDER SOME PROPERTIES, UH, IN THE PLANO AREA AS WELL TOO BEFORE WE HAVE TO MAKE SOME, UH, DECISIONS ON, ON A PROPERTY.
THAT WAS, THAT WAS MY COMMENT.
AGENDA ITEM NUMBER EIGHT, DISCUSSION, SHORT-TERM RENTAL STUDY UPDATE PRESENTATION OF SHORTTERM RENTAL STUDY PROGRESS TO DATE APPLICANT IS CITY OF PLANO.
UH, CHRISTINA SEBASTIAN, LAND RECORDS PLANNING MANAGER QUICK UPDATE WITH ON THE SHORT TERM RENTAL STUDY.
UM, AS YOU KNOW, IT'S, THIS TOPIC HAS BEEN DISCUSSED MANY TIMES AT COUNCIL AND THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION LAST FALL.
COUNCIL DIRECTED STAFF TO PREPARE REGISTRATION ORDINANCE AND TO UTILIZE A SIMILAR PROCESS TO THE ONE ARLINGTON, TEXAS USED TO CONSIDER ORDINANCE CHANGES TO ADDRESS SOME OF THE ISSUES WITH SHORT-TERM RENTALS THAT HAVE BEEN BROUGHT UP.
UM, COUNSEL AT A JOINT MEETING WITH HIS COMMISSION ADOPTED AN INTERIM BAN ON SHORT-TERM RENTALS IN MAY.
AND THEN LATER THAT MONTH COUNSEL APPOINTED 22 PLANO RESIDENTS TO A SHORT-TERM RENTAL TASK FORCE.
AND CURRENTLY THE REGISTRATION ORDINANCE IS, UH, TABLED TO A FUTURE COUNCIL MEETING.
UM, SO PHASE ONE IS OUTREACH AND DATA COLLECTION.
WE ARE WORKING WITH DECK TECHNOLOGIES TO IDENTIFY LISTINGS.
UM, MOST OF THOSE FOR SINGLE FAMILY ARE, ARE IDENTIFIED.
THE MULTIFAMILY STILL IS CHALLENGING, BUT STAFF CONTINUES TO WORK WITH THEM.
UM, THAT THOSE IDENTIFIED LISTINGS ARE ADDED TO THE COMPUTER AIDED DISPATCH SYSTEM FOR PUBLIC SAFETY COMMUNICATION 9 1 1, SO THAT THERE'S MORE ACCURATE INFORMATION FOR OFFICERS AND FOR ANALYSIS AFTERWARDS.
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UM, ALSO WE ARE WORKING WITH GAP STRATEGIES FOR PUBLIC OUTREACH SUPPORT.THERE'S A COMMUNITY SURVEY LAST SPRING, OVER 6,000 RESPONSES WERE RECEIVED AND SINCE THEN THE TASK FORCE HAS BEGUN MEETING.
THEY'VE HAD TWO MEETINGS TO FURTHER STUDY THE ISSUE AND ARE REPORTING BACK FINDINGS.
UM, SO THE MAIN THING I WANTED TO SHARE TONIGHT IS THAT WE HAVE OUR SHORT-TERM RENTAL OPEN HOUSE THIS WEDNESDAY, AUGUST 23RD FROM SIX TO 8:00 PM AT EVENT 10 13 HERE IN DOWNTOWN PLANO.
UH, THE SAME INFORMATION AND FEEDBACK OPPORTUNITIES ARE AVAILABLE ONLINE@PLANOSTR.COM.
THAT OPEN HOUSE WILL BE AVAILABLE FOR A WEEK FROM WEDNESDAY, AUGUST 23RD TO WEDNESDAY, AUGUST 30TH.
AFTER THE OPEN HOUSE, THE TASK FORCE WILL RECONVENE AND THEIR FINDINGS WILL BE REPORTED BACK TO THE COMMISSION AND TO COUNCIL.
PHASE TWO IS GONNA FOCUS ON POTENTIAL SOLUTIONS AND THE PLAN IS FOR THE STUDY TO CONCLUDE IN TIME FOR ANY NEEDED ORDINANCE AMENDMENTS BEFORE THE BAN EXPIRES IN MAY OF NEXT YEAR.
UH, THERE'S NO ACTION REQUIRED AS PART OF THIS ITEM.
JUST WANT TO ENCOURAGE PEOPLE TO ATTEND THE OPEN HOUSE IN PERSON OR VIRTUALLY.
AM I AVAILABLE FOR ANY QUESTIONS? THANK YOU.
UM, HYBRID, UM, I'M ASSUMING THEN IT'S JUST REALLY STREAMED AND THEN THERE'S QUESTIONS AVAILABLE THROUGH CHAT OR SOMETHING, OR THERE WILL BE BOARDS AT THE OPEN HOUSE, UM, BUT STATIONS FOR PEOPLE TO WALK THROUGH.
AND AT THE, FOR THE ONLINE ONE, IT'S BASICALLY PAGES TO TAB THROUGH TO LOOK AT THE SAME INFORMATION.
AND THEN THERE'S, UM, AT THE OPEN HOUSE IT WILL, THERE'S PAPER OPTIONS, BUT GENERALLY VIRTUAL CELL PHONE BASED POLLING.
UM, AND THAT SAME INFO POLLING SYSTEM WILL BE USED ON THE WEBSITE.
UM, AND THERE'S, THERE IS A VIDEO AT BOTH SITES, BUT, UM, IT'LL BE, IT'S A SHORT VIDEO.
SO, SO THIS IS NOT REALLY A PRESENTATION, IT'S JUST, IT'S A COME AND GO EVENT.
UM, LAST ITEM WOULD BE ITEMS FOR FUTURE AGENDA.
ANYBODY, UH, CHAIR, WE DO HAVE SOMEONE THAT REGISTERED TO SPEAK.
ERIC BREMMER REALLY ARE REGISTERED FOR THE WRONG ITEM.
I WAS WONDERING, YOU WERE STILL HERE, BUT, UM OKAY.
I THOUGHT HE'S, HE'S WELL, NEVERMIND.