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YOU FOR JOINING US THIS EVENING.[CALL TO ORDER]
IT'S SEVEN O'CLOCK.WE WILL NOW KICK OFF OUR JUNE 19TH REGULAR MEETING FOR P N Z AND I'VE GOT THE BOARD STANDING UP, SITTING DOWN.
UH, WE'RE GONNA PLEASE JOIN ME IN THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE.
I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS, ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE, WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL COMMENTS OF PUBLIC INTEREST.
THIS PORTION OF THE MEETING IS TO ALLOW UP TO THREE MINUTES PER SPEAKER WITH 30 TOTAL MINUTES ON ITEMS OF INTEREST OR CONCERN AND NOT ON ITEMS THAT ARE ON THE CURRENT AGENDA.
THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION MAY NOT DISCUSS THESE ITEMS, BUT MAY RESPOND WITH FACTUAL OR POLICY INFORMATION.
THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION MAY CHOOSE TO PLACE THE ITEM ON A FUTURE AGENDA.
THE PRESIDING OFFICER MAY MODIFY THESE TIMES AS DEEMED NECESSARY.
DO WE HAVE ANY SPEAKERS ON THIS ITEM? NO, WE DO NOT.
[CONSENT AGENDA]
MOVE TO CONSENT.THE CONSENT AGENDA WILL BE ACTED UPON IN ONE MOTION AND CONTAINS ITEMS WHICH ARE ROUTINE AND TYPICALLY NON-CONTROVERSIAL ITEMS MAY BE REMOVED FROM THIS AGENDA FOR INDIVIDUAL CONSIDERATION BY COMMISSIONERS OR STAFF.
WOULD ANYONE LIKE TO REMOVE AN ITEM FROM CONSENT AGENDA? SEEING NONE, I MOVE.
WE APPROVE THE CONSENT AGENDA AS SUBMITTED.
I HAVE A MOTION BY COMMISSIONER BROSKY WITH A SECOND BY COMMISSIONER LYLE TO APPROVE THE CONSENT AGENDA.
THAT ITEM CARRIES BY A VOTE OF EIGHT TO ZERO.
WE HAVE ALL OF THIS TOGETHER FOR THE FIRST TIME IN A LITTLE WHILE.
[1. (RP) Public Hearing - Replat & Revised Site Plan: Willow Bend Polo Estates Phase B, Block B, Lot 17R - One Patio Home lot on 0.3 acre located on the west side of Old Westbury Lane, 85 feet north of Turtle Creek Drive. Zoned Planned Development-423- Patio Home. Projects #R2023-016 and #RSP2023-024. Applicant: NLW Trust (Administrative consideration)]
ONE, ITEMS FOR PUBLIC CONSIDER, I'M SORRY, ITEMS FOR INDIVIDUAL CONSIDERATION.PUBLIC HEARING ITEMS UNLESS INSTRUCTED OTHERWISE BY THE CHAIR, SPEAKERS WILL BE CALLED IN OR ORDER.
APPLICANTS ARE LIMITED TO A TOTAL OF 15 MINUTES OF PRESENTATION TIME WITH A FIVE MINUTE REBUTTAL IF NEEDED.
REMAINING SPEAKERS ARE LIMITED TO 30 TOTAL MINUTES OF TESTIMONY TIME WITH THREE MINUTES ASSIGNED PER SPEAKER.
THE PRESIDING OFFICER MAY MODIFY THESE TIMES AS DEEMED NECESSARY.
ADMINISTRATIVE CONSIDERATION ITEMS MUST BE APPROVED IF THEY MEET CITY DEVELOPMENT REGULATIONS.
LEGISLATIVE CONSIDERATION ITEMS ARE MORE DISCRETIONARY EXCEPT AS CONSTRAINED BY LEGAL CONSIDERATIONS.
AGENDA ITEM NUMBER ONE, PUBLIC HEARING RELA GRANITE PARK PHASE THREE, BLOCK B LOT SEVEN R.
PROFESSIONAL, GENERAL ADMINISTRATIVE OFFICE ON ONE LOT ON 3.9 ACRES LOCATED AT THE SOUTHWEST CORNER OF STATE HIGHWAY 1 21 AND GRANITE PARKWAY ZONE PLAN DEVELOPMENT 42 CENTRAL BUSINESS ONE AND LOCATED WITHIN THE DALLAS NORTH TOLLWAY AND STATE HIGHWAY 1 21 OVERLAY DISTRICTS.
THIS IS FOR ADMINISTRATIVE CONSIDERATION.
GOOD EVENING COMMISSIONERS, PARKER MCDOWELL, PLANNER WITH THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT STAFF RECOMMENDS FOR THIS ITEM FOR APPROVAL SUBJECT TO THE RECORDATION OF OFFSITE ACCESS, DRAINAGE AND SANITARY SEWER EASEMENTS BY SEPARATE INSTRUMENTS.
AND I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.
ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF ON THIS ITEM? ALL RIGHT, THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
DO WE HAVE ANY SPEAKERS ON THIS ITEM? UH, NO, WE DO NOT.
I GUESS WE HAVE NO SPEAKERS ON THIS ITEM.
I WILL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING.
CONFINED DISCUSSION AND COMMISSION.
I MOVE THAT WE APPROVE ITEM NUMBER ONE, SUBJECT TO THE RECORDATION OF THE OFFSITE ACCESS DRAINAGE AND SANITARY SEWER EASEMENTS BY SEPARATE INSTRUMENTS.
I HAVE A MOTION BY MR. BRUNO, UH, WITH A SECOND BY COMMISSIONER TONG TO APPROVE ITEM ONE AS SUBMITTED, PLEASE VOTE.
[2. (PM) Public Hearing - Replat: Willow Bend Place, Block B, Lot 15R - One Single-Family Residence-20 lot on 2.4 acres located on the east side of Cavendish Court, 120 feet south of Chiswick Lake Drive. Zoned Single-Family Residence-20. Project #R2023-017. Applicant: Ross Bradley Jones and Sharon Anne Jones (Administrative consideration)]
ITEM TWO, AGENDA ITEM NUMBER TWO, PUBLIC HEARING RELA WILLOW BEND PLACE BLOCK B LOT 15 R ONE, SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENCE, 20 LOT ON 2.4 ACRES LOCATED ON THE EAST SIDE OF CAVENDISH COURT, 120 FEET SOUTH OF CHESWICK LAKE DRIVE, ZONED FAMILY, SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENCE 20.APPLICANT IS ROSS BRADLEY JONES AND SHARON ANN JONES.
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THIS IS FOR ADMINISTRATIVE CONSIDERATION.STAFF RECOMMENDS THIS ITEM FOR APPROVAL AS SUBMITTED, AND I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.
ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF ON THIS ITEM? I DO QUESTION COMMISSIONER KERRY? NO.
UM, MAYBE I'M JUST MISSING IT.
I'M TRYING TO UNDERSTAND EXACTLY WHAT THEY'RE TRYING TO DO HERE.
UM, WHAT, WHAT, WHAT ARE THEY TRYING TO ACCOMPLISH? YEAH, SO THEY ARE REDOING THE, UH, DRAINAGE AND FLOODWAY EASEMENT AS WELL AS THE ACCESS TO THAT EASEMENT.
AND I BELIEVE ENGINEERING SAID THERE WAS A NEW CHANGE TO THE FLOOD STUDY OUT THERE, AND THAT'S WHY THEY HAD TO DO THIS, TO REDO THOSE BOUNDARIES.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
WE DO NOT HAVE ANY REGISTERED SPEAKERS.
I'LL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING.
I HAVE A MOTION BY COMMISSIONER BRONSKI WITH A SECOND BY COMMISSIONER KERRY TO APPROVE ITEM TWO AS SUBMITTED, PLEASE VOTE.
THAT ITEM CARRIES EIGHT TO ZERO.
[3. (PM) Public Hearing - Replat: Central Plano Industrial Park Phase 1, Block 1, Lot 2R - Office showroom/warehouse on one lot on 5.3 acres located at the northeast corner of Stewart Avenue and Summit Avenue. Zoned Light Industrial-1. Project #R2023-018. Applicant: Stewart EPA, LLC (Administrative consideration)]
NUMBER THREE, PUBLIC HEARING RELA CENTRAL PLANO INDUSTRIAL PARK, PHASE ONE BLOCK ONE LOT TWO R OFFICE SHOWROOM WAREHOUSE ON ONE LOT ON 5.3 ACRES LOCATED AT THE NORTHEAST CORNER OF STEWART AVENUE AND SUMMIT AVENUE.ZONED LIGHT INDUSTRIAL ONE APPLICANT IS STEWART, E P A L L C.
THIS IS FOR ADMINISTRATIVE CONSIDERATION.
STAFF RECOMMENDS THE ITEM FOR APPROVAL.
I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.
SHOULD YOU JUST STAY UP THERE? THIS IS MY LAST ITEM.
ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF ON THIS ITEM? OKAY, YOU'RE FREE TO GO.
DO WE HAVE ANY SPEAKERS ON THIS ITEM? UH, THE APPLICANT IS AVAILABLE IF THERE'S ANY QUESTIONS FROM THE COMMISSION.
ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT ON THIS ITEM? ALL RIGHT, WE'LL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING.
REMOVE, WE APPROVE ITEM THREE AS SUBMITTED.
SECOND, I HAVE A MOTION BY COMMISSIONER RATLIFF WITH A SECOND BY COMMISSIONER BRONSKI TO APPROVE.
ITEM THREE AS SUBMITTED, PLEASE VOTE.
THAT ITEM CARRIES EIGHT TO ZERO.
[4. (DS) Public Hearing - Preliminary Replat: The Plaza at Chase Oaks, Block A, Lot 3R - Independent living facility on one lot on 6.1 acres located on the south side of Chase Oaks Boulevard, 1,128 feet west of U.S. Highway 75. Zoned Corridor Commercial and Planned Development-277-Retail/General Office with Specific Use Permit No. 24 for Independent Living Facility. Project #PR2022-011. Applicant: Unified Housing Foundation, Inc. (Administrative consideration)]
AGENDA ITEM NUMBER FOUR, PUBLIC HEARING PRELIMINARY RELA THE PLAZA AT CHASE OAKS BLOCK A LOT.THREE R INDEPENDENT FAMILY FACILITY ON ONE LOT ON 6.1 ACRES LOCATED ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF CHASE OAKS BOULEVARD, 1,128 FEET WEST OF US HIGHWAY 75 ZONE CORRIDOR COMMERCIAL AND PLAN DEVELOPMENT 2 77 RETAIL GENERAL OFFICE WITH SPECIFIC USE PERMIT NUMBER 24 FOR INDEPENDENT LIVING FACILITY, APPLICANT IS UNIFIED HOUSING FOUND FOUNDATION INCORPORATED.
THIS IS FOR ADMINISTRATIVE CONSIDERATION.
I'M ROHA PILATE, THE PLANNER OF THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT.
STAFF, UM, RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF THE PRELIMINARY REPLA SUBJECT TO ADDITIONS AND OR ALTERATIONS TO THE ENGINEERING PLANS AS, UH, REQUIRED BY THE ENGINEERING DEPARTMENT.
I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU MIGHT HAVE.
UH, ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF ON THIS ITEM? SEEING NONE, I WILL OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING.
DO WE HAVE ANY SPEAKERS ON THIS ITEM? NO, WE DO NOT.
I WILL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING, THEN FIND DISCUSSION TO THE COMMISSION.
WE APPROVE ITEM NUMBER FOUR, SUBJECT TO ADDITIONS AND OR ALTERATIONS TO THE ENGINEERING PLANS AS REQUIRED BY THE ENGINEERING DEPARTMENT.
COMMISSIONER BRUNO MAKES THE MOTION TO APPROVE.
ITEM FOUR, SECONDED BY COMMISSIONER ALI, PLEASE VOTE THAT ITEM CARRIES EIGHT TO ZERO.
MR. CARRIE'S OVER HERE STEALING THE FAN.
DID I TAKE IT AWAY FROM IT'S FINE.
[5. (RP) Public Hearing - Preliminary Replat & Revised Site Plan: Parkway Square, Block 1, Lot 1R - Professional/general administrative office on one lot on 4.2 acres located at the northeast corner of Plano Parkway and F Avenue. Zoned Corridor Commercial and located within the 190 Tollway/Plano Parkway Overlay District. Projects #PR2023-004 and #RSP2023-007. Applicant: Dallas North Industrial, LLC (Administrative consideration)]
NUMBER FIVE, PUBLIC HEARING PRELIMINARY RELA AND REVISED SITE PLAN.PARKWAY SQUARE BLOCK ONE LOT ONE R PROFESSIONAL, GENERAL ADMINISTRATIVE OFFICE ON ONE LOT ON 4.2 ACRES LOCATED AT THE NORTHEAST CORNER OF PLANO PARKWAY AND F AVENUE ZONE CORRIDOR COMMERCIAL AND LOCATED WITHIN THE ONE 90 TOLLWAY PLANO PARKWAY OVERLAY DISTRICT.
APPLICANT IS DALLAS NORTH INDUSTRIAL L L C.
THIS IS FOR ADMINISTRATIVE CONSIDERATION.
UM, STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF THE PRELIMINARY
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RELA SUBJECT TO, UM, SORRY, UM, ADDITIONS AND ALTERATIONS TO THE ENGINEERING PLANS AS REQUIRED BY THE ENGINEERING DEPARTMENT.AND AS FOR THE REVISED SITE PLAN, STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL IS SUBMITTED.
QUESTIONS FOR STAFF ON THIS ITEM? MR. LA MICROPHONE PLEASE.
WHAT IS THE PURPOSE OF THIS RELA? SURE.
UM, THIS SITE PLAN AND PRELIMINARY RELA WAS INITIATED, UH, BY DART AS THEY ARE, UM, ESTABLISHING AN EASEMENT ON THE EASTERN SIDE OF THIS PROPERTY.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? ALL RIGHT.
DO WE HAVE ANY SPEAKERS ON THIS ITEM? NO, WE DO NOT.
WE APPROVE THE PRELIMINARY RELA SUBJECT TO ADDITIONS OR ALTERATIONS BY THE ENGINEERING PLANS AS REQUIRED BY THE ENGINEERING DEPARTMENT AND THE REVISED SITE PLAN AS SUBMITTED.
SECOND, HAVE A MOTION BY COMMISSIONER RATLIFF AND A SECOND BY COMMISSIONER BRONSKI TO APPROVE ITEM FIVE.
UM, AS INDICATED, PLEASE VOTE.
AND THAT ITEM CARRIES EIGHT TO ZERO.
[6. (RP) Public Hearing - Preliminary Replat & Revised Site Plan: Presbyterian Hospital of Plano, Block A, Lot 1R - Hospital, medical office, day care center, and heliport on one lot on 36.9 acres located at the southwest corner of Parker Road and Communications Parkway. Zoned Planned Development-427-General Office located within the Parkway Overlay District with Special Use Permits No. 141 for Heliport, No. 142 for Day Care Center, and No. 143 for Hospital. Projects #PR2023-014 and #RSP2023-040. Applicant: Texas Health Plano (Administrative consideration)]
ITEM NUMBER SIX, PUBLIC HEARING, PRELIMINARY RELAID AND REVISED SITE PLAN.PRESBYTERIAN HOSPITAL OF PLANO BLOCK A LOT.
ONE R HOSPITAL, MEDICAL OFFICE, DAYCARE CENTER AND HELIPORT ON ONE LOT ON TH 36.9 ACRES.
LOCATED AT THE SOUTHWEST CORNER OF PARKER ROAD AND COMMUNICATIONS PARKWAY ZONE PLAN DEVELOPMENT 4 27 GENERAL OFFICE LOCATED WITHIN THE PLANO OVERLAY DISTRICT WITH SPECIAL USE PERMITS.
NUMBER 1 41 FOR HELIPORT, NUMBER 1 42 FOR DAYCARE CENTER.
APPLICANT IS TEXAS HEALTH PLANO.
THIS IS FOR ADMINISTRATIVE CONSIDERATION.
STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF THE PRELIMINARY REVIEW PLUS SUBJECT TO ADDITIONS AND ALTERATIONS TO THE ENGINEERING PLANS AS REQUIRED, REQUIRED BY THE ENGINEERING DEPARTMENT AND ALSO FOR THE REVISED SIDE.
STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF THE REVISED SITE PLAN AS SUBMITTED.
I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU MIGHT HAVE.
ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF ON THIS ITEM? ALL RIGHT, THANK YOU.
SEEING NONE, I'LL OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING.
WE HAVE ANY SPEAKERS ON THIS ITEM? NO, WE DO NOT.
I'LL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING, FIND DISCUSSION OF THE COMMISSION.
MR. BRUNO? MR. CHAIRMAN, I MOVE.
WE APPROVE, UH, THE PRELIMINARY REPLANT IN THIS ITEM, UH, SUBJECT TO ADDITIONS AND OUR ALTERATIONS TO THE ENGINEERING PLANS AS REQUIRED BY THE ENGINEERING DEPARTMENT, AND THAT WE APPROVE THE REVISED SITE PLAN, UM, AS SUBMITTED.
I HAVE A MOTION BY MR. BRUNO WITH THE SECOND BY COMMISSIONER RATLIFF TO APPROVE ITEM SIX AS RECOMMENDED BY STAFF.
AND THAT ITEM CARRIES EIGHT TO ZERO AGENDA ITEM NUMBER SEVEN IS TAKE A PAUSE FOR A SECOND.
SO, UM, NO LONG, I'M JUST HERE TO SPEAK.
WE'RE GONNA MAKE, BECAUSE WE'VE GOT SEVERAL PEOPLE HERE TO SPEAK ON A PARTICULAR ITEM, UH, AND WE HAVE SOME OTHER ITEMS THAT WE HAVE TO GET SOME LENGTHY REPORTS ON.
I'M GONNA CHANGE THE SEQUENCING JUST A LITTLE BIT.
I KNOW I'M THROWING YOU A CURVE BALL.
UM, WE'RE GONNA MOVE FROM ITEM SIX DOWN TO ITEM 10, WHICH IS A NON-PUBLIC HEARING ITEM.
BUT WE DO HAVE PRESENTERS ON THIS.
AND SINCE THEY DON'T NEED TO SIT HERE FOR 30 MINUTES LISTENING TO US TALK ABOUT ITEMS NOT RELATED TO THAT, I THOUGHT, UH, WITH THE TEMPERATURE IN THE ROOM, WE JUST GO AHEAD AND MOVE FORWARD WITH THAT SO THAT WE CAN GET THROUGH THAT PIECE AND THEN THEY WOULD BE FREE TO GO HOME.
[10. (JR) Discussion and Action: Call for Public Hearing - Request to call a public hearing to consider amending the Zoning Ordinance to add Commercial Drone Delivery Hub as a new land use classification and to amend the definitions of Heliport and Helistop to include provisions for advanced air mobility aircraft. Project #CPH2023-009. Applicant: City of Plano (Legislative consideration)]
MOVE TO ITEM 10.SINCE THIS IS AUB NON-PUBLIC HEARING, TWO THREE NON-PUBLIC HEARING ITEM, THE PRESIDING OFFICER WILL PERMIT LIMITED PUBLIC COMMENT FOR ITEMS ON THE AGENDA NOT POSTED FOR A PUBLIC HEARING.
PRESIDING OFFICER WILL ESTABLISH TIME LIMITS BASED UPON THE NUMBER OF SPEAKER REQUESTS, LENGTH OF THE INGEN AGENDA, AND TO ENSURE MEETING EFFICIENCY AND MAY INCLUDE A TOTAL TIME LIMIT AGENDA.
ITEM NUMBER 10 IS DISCUSSION AND ACTION.
REQUEST TO CALL A PUBLIC HEARING TO CONSIDER AMENDING THE ZONING ORDINANCE TO ADD COMMERCIAL DRONE DELIVERY HUB AS A NEW LAND USE CLASSIFICATION.
AND TO AMEND THE DE DEFINITIONS OF HELIPORT AND HELI STOP TO INCLUDE PROVISIONS FOR
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ADVANCED AIR MOBILITY AIRCRAFT.THIS IS FOR LEGISLATIVE CONSIDERATION.
HI, UH, JORDANY SENIOR PLANNER WITH THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT.
UH, SO AS MENTIONED, THIS IS A, UH, DISCUSSION AND ACTION REQUESTING A CALL FOR PUBLIC HEARING RELATED TO COMMERCIAL DRONE DELIVERY AS WELL AS ADVANCED AIR MOBILITY.
UM, WE HAVE BEEN TO THE COMMISSION BEFORE ON THIS ITEM.
AS A QUICK, UH, PIECE OF HISTORY.
THIS WAS INITIATED LAST YEAR IN JUNE WHEN STAFF RECEIVED AN INQUIRY ABOUT OPERATING A DRONE DELIVERY BUSINESS WITHIN THE CITY.
UH, WE PRESENTED TO THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION ON OCTOBER 3RD OF LAST YEAR WHERE YOU GUYS HAD LOTS OF QUESTIONS FOR US.
UH, SO WE WENT BACK TO GET MORE INFORMATION.
UM, AND NOW WE'RE BACK HERE WITH MORE INFORMATION AS WELL AS, UH, SOME OF THE, UH, DRONE DELIVERY OPERATORS, UM, IN THE AREA ARE AT THE MEETING TONIGHT TO, UH, ANSWER SOME QUESTIONS AS WELL.
SO, UH, DRONES ARE FORMALLY KNOWN AS UNMANNED OR UN CREWED AIR AIRCRAFT SYSTEMS, WHICH IS ABBREVIATED TO, UH, UA OR UAS.
UM, THROUGHOUT THIS PRESENTATION, I'M JUST GONNA USE THE WORD DRONE TO REFER TO THEM, BUT WITHIN ANY ORDINANCE, WE SHOULD USE THE TERM UNMANNED AIRCRAFT SYSTEM AS THAT ALIGNS WITH, UM, FEDERAL AND STATE, UH, REGULATIONS.
UH, DRONES ARE USED IN A VARIETY OF COMMERCIAL AND NON-COMMERCIAL SECTORS.
UH, TODAY THE FOCUS IS ON DELIVERY DRONES.
UH, THESE ARE GENERALLY LESS THAN 55 POUNDS IN WEIGHT DUE TO FEDERAL REGULATIONS, BUT THERE ARE SOME EXCEPTIONS.
UH, THESE DRONES VARY IN THEIR SIZE AND THEIR DESIGN AS SHOWN BY THE FOUR EXAMPLES ON SCREEN.
UH, ALL FOUR OF THESE ARE CURRENTLY IN USE IN TEXAS, AND I THINK THERE IS GONNA BE SOME SHOW AND TELL LATER WITH ONE OF THEM.
UH, DELIVERY DRONES TYPICALLY FULFILL A LAST MILE LOGISTICS FUNCTION WITH AN EMPHASIS ON ON DEMAND SERVICE DUE TO THEIR SPEED AND AUTONOMY.
THEY MAY ALSO BE USED TO FERRY GOODS BETWEEN LOCATIONS SUCH AS WAREHOUSES AND DISTRIBUTION CENTERS.
UH, CURRENT OPERATORS IN TEXAS DELIVER PACKAGES UP TO 10 POUNDS, TYPICALLY WITHIN A ONE TO FOUR MILE RADIUS.
HOWEVER, LARGER SERVICE AREAS ARE ALREADY POSSIBLE WITH CURRENT TECHNOLOGY.
DRONES ARE CONSIDERED AIRCRAFT, AND AS SUCH ARE REGULATED BY THE FEDERAL AVIATION ADMINISTRATION, THE FAA OF ALL THE REGULATIONS IN PLACE.
THE TWO IMPORTANT ONES TO KNOW, UH, TONIGHT ARE, UH, CODE OF FEDERAL REGULATIONS, PART 1 0 7 AND PART 1 35.
UM, ESTABLISHES RULES FOR THE OPERATION OF SMALL UNMANNED AIRCRAFT SYSTEMS, WHICH ARE DRONES ON 55 POUNDS OF TAKEOFF WEIGHT.
AND, UH, PART 1 35 IS THE, UM, LICENSING AND CERTIFICATION REGIME FOR ON DEMAND AND COMMUTER AIRCRAFT SYSTEMS. IT'S INTENDED FOR CARGO AND CHARTER AIRLINES, BUT IT HAS HAD DRONES SHOEHORNED INTO IT AS THE BEST AVAILABLE OPTION AT THE MOMENT.
THERE IS A LOT OF LEGISLATION INTRODUCED IN BOTH THE HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES AND THE US SENATE REGARDING DRONES.
MOST OF IT IS ABOUT WORKFORCE TRAINING, UM, NATIONAL SECURITY, AND ESTABLISHING WORKING GROUPS TO FURTHER ADVANCE OUR REGULATIONS.
THERE ARE A COUPLE PIECES OF POTENTIAL LEGISLATION WHICH WOULD SIGNIFICANTLY OVERHAUL THE REGULATORY REGIME AS WELL AS THE CERTIFICATION PROCESS, UM, FOR, UM, COMMERCIAL DRONES AT THE STATE LEVEL.
UH, GOVERNMENT CODE CHAPTER 4 23 REGULATES THE USE OF DRONES IN TEXAS.
UH, ONE OF THESE SECTIONS IN THIS CHAPTER SPECIFICALLY, UM, RESTRICTS MUNICIPALITIES FROM, UM, ADOPTING AND ENFORCING ORDINANCES THAT REGULATE THE OPERATION OF DRONES.
UH, AND SECTIONS ON PRIVACY AND SURVEILLANCE WERE STRUCK DOWN FROM THIS SECTION.
UM, LAST YEAR THERE WERE NO, UH, SIGNIFICANT DRONE RELATED ITEMS IN THE LAST LEGISLATIVE SESSION.
SO TO SUMMARIZE, UM, FAA PREEMPTION COVERS AIRCRAFT IN FLIGHT AND THE STATE FORBIDS US FROM REGULATING THE OPERATION OF A DRONE.
THEREFORE, WE CANNOT REGULATE FLIGHT PATHS, FLIGHT ALTITUDES, THE NUMBER OF FLIGHTS PER DAY SAFETY OR TRAINING REQUIREMENTS OR WHAT IS BEING CARRIED, UH, BY A DRONE.
UH, BASED ON THE DISCUSSION WITH THE FAA, THE OPERATOR OF A PRIVATE AIRFIELD, SUCH AS A DRONE LANDING ZONE, CAN PLACE RESTRICTIONS ON THE SIZE OF AIRCRAFT AND THE HOURS OF OPERATION OF THAT AIRFIELD.
SO THESE MAY BE WITHIN OUR AREA TO REGULATE.
UM, HOWEVER, IT'S UNCLEAR TO WHAT EXTENT THE STATE'S PREEMPTION MIGHT LIMIT THIS.
UH, THE GOOD NEWS IS THAT THE LOCATION OF GROUND SIDE FACILITIES, SUCH AS LANDING AREAS, SHOULD BE WITHIN THE CITY'S CONTROL THROUGH THE TYPICAL LAND USE AND ZONING POWERS.
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WE DID LOOK AT THE SURROUNDING, UH, COMMUNITIES IN THE DALLAS FORT WORTH METRO AREA.UM, THESE ARE ALL COMMUNITIES THAT HAVE ACTIVE, UH, DRONE DELIVERIES WITHIN THEIR BORDERS.
SO DRONES ARE ALREADY BUSY DELIVERING GOODS.
UM, IN TEXAS, IN THE IMMEDIATE AREA, MOST MUNICIPALITIES ARE TREATING DRONES AS AN UNLISTED USE, UM, AS IF IT'S ANY OTHER DELIVERY ACTIVITIES SUCH AS UBER EATS OR DOORDASH.
UM, SO FAR ONLY ALAN AND THE COLONY HAVE DETERMINED OTHERWISE AND REQUIRE AN S U P FOR A HELIPORT LAND USE.
UH, RICHARDSON MAY ALSO MAKE THIS DETERMINATION.
THEY ARE CURRENTLY, UH, REVIEWING THIS TOPIC AS WELL.
UH, STAFF ARE ABLE TO LOCATE THREE COMMUNITIES THAT HAVE ADDED, UM, DRONE HUBS TO THEIR, UH, ZONING OR DEVELOPMENT CODES.
UM, THOSE BEING LBN, UH, MICHIGAN COLLEGE PARK, GEORGIA, AND COLLEGE STATION, TEXAS.
UM, THEY HAVE ALL TAKEN DIFFERENT APPROACHES TO THIS.
SO THERE'S NO ONE UNIFIED APPROACH THAT HAS BEEN OBSERVED.
SO I'M GONNA TAKE A QUICK PAUSE HERE AND MAKE SURE I STILL HAVE EVERYONE CUZ IT HAS BEEN A BIT OF AN INFO DUMP.
SO, UH, STAFF ARE REQUESTING DIRECTION FROM THE COMMISSION ON ADDING COMMERCIAL DELIVERY DRONE HUBS AS A LAND USE TO THE ZONING ORDINANCE.
THIS WOULD INCLUDE BOTH A DEFINITION AND ASSOCIATED STANDARDS.
THE PROPOSED DEFINITION ON SCREEN IS LARGELY SIMILAR TO WHAT WAS PRESENTED IN OCTOBER OF LAST YEAR, AND IS BASED ON THE EXISTING DEFINITION FOR THE HELIPORT LAND USE.
UH, THE IMAGES ON SCREEN SHOW VARIOUS ACTUAL AND CONCEPTUAL COMMERCIAL DRONE DELIVERY HUBS, AND THEY ARE JUST AS VARIED AS THE DRONES THAT THEY, UH, ARE BUILT FOR IN TERMS OF POTENTIAL LOCATIONS.
UH, COMMERCIAL DRONE DELIVERY HUBS, UM, ARE GENERALLY COMPLIMENTARY TO EXISTING LAND USES AND THEREFORE STAFF ARE PROPOSING TO PERMIT THEM ACCESSORY TO VARIOUS RETAIL TYPE USES, SUCH AS RESTAURANTS AND SHOPPING CENTERS, AS WELL AS TO WAREHOUSES.
THEY MAY ALSO BE CONSIDERED AS A PRIMARY USE IN THE, UH, CE L I ONE AND I TWO DISTRICTS.
THESE ARE THREE DISTRICTS THAT ALREADY PERMIT THE, UH, WAREHOUSE AND DISTRIBUTION CENTER LAND USE.
SO THE NEXT THREE SLIDES ARE SOME MAPS.
WE HAVE THESE HERE SO WE CAN REFER BACK TO THEM LATER IF NEEDED.
SO THIS MAP SHOWS ALL OF THE DISTRICTS WHERE THOSE RETAIL AND WAREHOUSING, UM, USES ARE PERMITTED WITH SOME, UH, GRAY AREAS SHOWING POTENTIAL, UM, SERVICE AREAS.
SO THE DARKER GRAY IS A ONE MILE BUFFER.
THE LIGHTER GRAY IS A TWO MILE BUFFER.
AND SO THIS IS WHERE AN ACCESSORY USE MAY BE APPROPRIATE.
UH, NEXT MAP TELLS THE SAME STORY, BUT ABOUT WAREHOUSE AND DISTRIBUTION CENTER USES.
SO THERE'S ONLY FOUR DISTRICTS THAT ALLOW THOSE USES.
AND AGAIN, THE DARKER GRAY IS ONE MILE LIGHTER GRAY, TWO MILES, AND IN THIS CASE THE LIGHTEST GRAY IS A FOUR MILE RADIUS FROM THOSE DISTRICTS.
AND THEN THE LAST MAP BEING A COMBINATION OF THE TWO.
SO EVERYTHING IN RED IS WHERE, UM, STAFF ARE SUGGESTING THAT IT BE, UM, CONSIDERED AS AN ACCESSORY USE TO A RETAIL OR WAREHOUSE TYPE USE.
AND THE PURPLE BEING WHERE IT COULD BE EITHER ACCESSORY TO ONE OF THOSE USES OR AS A PRIMARY USE OF THE PROPERTY.
SO IN TERMS OF POTENTIAL REGULATIONS, UM, SOME LAND USES IN THE CITY HAVE USE SPECIFIC REGULATIONS IN THE ZONING ORDINANCE.
UH, STAFF HAVE IDENTIFIED THREE CATEGORIES OF POTENTIAL USE, SPECIFIC REGULATIONS, THOSE BEING NOISE AND ADJACENCY SCREENING AND LOT COVERAGE.
UH, STAFF ARE SEEKING DIRECTION ON WHICH OF SEVERAL OPTIONS TO PURSUE.
UM, ALL OF THOSE OPTIONS ARE DETAILED IN THE STAFF REPORT AND THE LETTERING ON THESE SLIDES CORRESPONDS TO THOSE TABLES AND THE STAFF REPORT FOR EASE OF REFERENCE.
SO IN TERMS OF NOISE AND ADJACENCY, UM, THE LOCATION OF TAKEOFF AND LANDING AREAS SHOULD BE CONSIDERED TO REDUCE IMPACTS ON NEIGHBORING PROPERTIES, ESPECIALLY RESIDENTIAL DISTRICTS.
THIS REQUIREMENT COULD BE IDENTICAL OR JUST SIMILAR TO OPEN STORAGE.
UH, STAFF ARE RECOMMENDING A SIMILAR APPROACH THAT IS RESTRICTING TAKEOFF AND LANDING AREAS FROM BEING LOCATED WITHIN BUILDING SETBACKS REQUIRED PARKING SPACES AND FIRELANDS AND OTHER MANEUVERING AISLES OR WITHIN EASEMENTS, UH, IN THE ORDINANCE.
OPEN STORAGE IS ALSO RESTRICTED FROM THOSE AREAS.
UM, BUT IN ADDITION IS NOT PERMITTED IN FRONT OF THE BUILDING.
IN CERTAIN DISTRICTS, UH, STAFF FIELD, THIS MAY BE TOO RESTRICTIVE FOR TAKEOFF
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AND LANDING AREAS AND MIGHT FORCE THEM BEHIND BUILDINGS WHERE THEY WOULD BE IN FACT CLOSER TO RESIDENCES.IN MANY OF OUR, UM, RETAIL DISTRICTS ALSO RELATED TO NOISE AND ADJACENCY IS A MINIMUM SETBACK BETWEEN THE TAKEOFF AND LANDING AREA AND SENSITIVE USES.
SO STAFF HAVE IDENTIFIED THREE OPTIONS, UM, FOR CONSIDERATION THOSE BEING A 150 FOOT SETBACK, WHICH WOULD BE EQUIVALENT TO THE RESIDENTIAL ADJACENCY STANDARDS 300 FEET, WHICH WOULD BE EQUIVALENT TO OUR PRIVATE CLUB, UM, RESTRICTIONS.
AND 1000 FEET, WHICH IS THE SAME AS THE RESTRICTION FOR HELIPORTS.
UH, STAFF RECOMMEND 150 FEET, UM, BECAUSE THE NOISE GENERATED BY DRONES IS MORE OR LESS SIMILAR TO THOSE OTHER, UH, NOISE GENERATING USES IN THE RESIDENTIAL ADJACENCY STANDARDS SUCH AS CAR WASHES.
UH, FOR SCREENING, UM, THE COMMISSION SHOULD CONSIDER WHETHER THIS IS APPROPRIATE FOR THIS USE.
UM, AT GRADE, THE TAKEOFF AND LANDING AREA COULD BE SCREENED SIMILAR TO OPEN STORAGE, UM, WHICH REQUIRES A MASONRY SCREENING WALL AROUND THE ENTIRE AREA.
HOWEVER, THIS WOULD BE A SIGNIFICANT INVESTMENT ON THE PART OF THE OPERATOR AND WOULD ALSO POSE A NAVIGATIONAL HAZARD FOR THEIR AIRCRAFT.
UH, STAFF RECOMMEND REQUIRING SCREENING ONLY IF STRUCTURES AND EQUIPMENT THAT WOULD OTHERWISE BE CONSIDERED OPEN STORAGE ARE PROPOSED.
SO THIS WOULD INCLUDE THINGS SUCH AS PORTABLE GENERATORS OR SHIPPING CONTAINERS WHEN A TAKEOFF AND LANDING AREA IS LOCATED ON TOP OF A BUILDING, STAFF ARE RECOMMENDING REQUIRING A PARAPET WALL SIMILAR TO THE EXISTING REQUIREMENTS FOR COMMERCIAL ANTENNAS AND OTHER ROOFTOP EQUIPMENT.
FINALLY, THE COMMISSION MAY CHOOSE TO PLACE RESTRICTIONS ON THE SIZE OF THE TAKEOFF AND LANDING AREA, WHICH WOULD INDIRECTLY CONTROL THE VOLUME OF FLIGHTS.
ONE OPTION IS TO PLACE A LIMIT ON THE NUMBER OF LANDING PADS WITHIN THE TAKEOFF AND LANDING AREA.
HOWEVER, THIS MAY BE VERY DIFFICULT TO ENFORCE AND STAFF DON'T RECOMMEND PURSUING THIS.
A MORE ENFORCEABLE RESTRICTION WOULD BE BASED ON LOT COVERAGE, AGAIN, SIMILAR TO EXISTING REQUIREMENTS FOR OPEN STORAGE IN THE ZONING ORDINANCE, UH, STAFF ARE RECOMMENDING A 5%, UH, OF SITE COVERAGE, WHICH IS THE SAME AS OPEN STORAGE.
HOWEVER, WE ALSO RECOMMEND A WAIVING THIS CONDITION FOR, UM, TAKEOFF AND LANDING AREAS THAT ARE LOCATED ON THE ROOF OF THE PRIMARY BUILDING IN ORDER TO INCENTIVIZE THIS DESIGN.
AND BECAUSE THE FAA MAKES A DISTINCTION FOR SMALL DRONES UNDER 55 POUNDS, IT IS WORTH CONSIDERING WHETHER A LESS RESTRICTIVE LAND USE MAY BE APPROPRIATE FOR THESE SMALL AND LESS NOISY AIRCRAFT.
THIS WOULD REQUIRE TWO LAND USE DEFINITIONS WITH A SMALL ONLINE AIRCRAFT HUB, PERHAPS REQUIRING A LOWER SETBACK, UM, OR BE PERMITTED WITHOUT AN S U P.
SO WHEN DISCUSSING THE PROSPECTIVE LAND USE AND ASSOCIATED REGULATIONS, THERE ARE OTHER CONSIDERATIONS TO KEEP IN MIND.
THERE ARE A HOST OF COMMERCIAL OPERATORS THAT ARE NOT ENGAGED IN PACKAGE DELIVERY, SUCH AS COMMERCIAL PHOTOGRAPHY, SURVEYING INSPECTIONS AND AGRICULTURE.
THERE ARE ALSO DELIVERIES THAT ARE NOT COMMERCIAL IN NATURE, SUCH AS THE DELIVERY OF AEDS TO FIRST RESPONDERS OR THE MOVEMENT OF SAMPLES TO A TESTING FACILITY OR EVEN THE DELIVERY OF BOOKS FROM A LOCAL LIBRARY.
ANY REGULATION SHOULD BE CAREFULLY TARGETED TO THE LAND USE THAT THE COMMISSION WISHES TO REGULATE.
FINALLY, THERE IS THE RELATED TOPIC OF AIR TAXIS, WHICH ARE FORMALLY KNOWN AS ADVANCED AIR MOBILITY.
AND AGAIN, A QUICK CHECK IN HERE CUZ IT HAS BEEN A BIT OF AN INFO DUMP.
SO SIMPLY PUT, UM, ADVANCED AIR MOBILITY ABBREVIATED AS A A M IS A TRANSPORTATION SYSTEM USING ELECTRIC OR LOW CARBON AIRCRAFT TO QUICKLY TRANSPORT PEOPLE OR CARGO OVER RELATIVELY SHORT DISTANCES AT LOWER ALTITUDES COMPARED TO CONVENTIONAL AIRCRAFT.
UM, THE CURRENT DEFINITION, UM, FROM FEDERAL REGULATION AS WELL AS THE, UH, DEFINITION ADOPTED BY TEXAS ARE BOTH ON SCREEN FOR REFERENCE.
THERE ARE CURRENTLY NO A A M OPERATIONS, UM, IN THE UNITED STATES.
THIS IS EXPECTED TO CHANGE BY 2025.
UM, IT'S ANTICIPATED THAT THE FIRST PUBLICLY AVAILABLE AAM SERVICE WILL DEBUT AT THE PARIS OLYMPICS NEXT YEAR.
UM, WITH SERVICE IN THE UNITED STATES FOLLOWING IN 2025 IN ORLANDO AND CHICAGO, POSSIBLY LOS ANGELES AND NEW YORK CITY AS WELL, THE FAA EXPECTS OPERATIONS, UH, IN THE STATES TO INITIALLY USE EXISTING HELIPORT INFRASTRUCTURE.
UM, WHILE OVER TIME, NEW PURPOSE-BUILT FACILITIES REFERRED TO AS VERTI PORTS, UH, WILL BE BUILT.
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IS ONE OF THESE VERTI PORTS CURRENTLY UNDER CONSTRUCTION IN, IN ORLANDO AND DALLAS DOES INTEND THE REDEVELOPMENT OF THEIR CONVENTION CENTER TO INCLUDE A VERTI PORT.IT IS IMPORTANT TO NOTE THAT AAM OPERATIONS, ESPECIALLY IN THE NEAR FUTURE, ARE NOT GOING TO BE AUTOMATED AND THEY'RE NOT DOOR TO DOOR.
SO WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT IS NOT SUMMONING A DRONE TAXI TO A RESTAURANT TO TAKE YOU HOME ON A FRIDAY NIGHT.
YOU WOULD BE GOING FROM A HELIPORT OR A VERDE PORT TO ANOTHER HELIPORT OR A VERDE PORT.
UM, THE COMPANIES THAT ARE PROPOSING THIS ARE CURRENTLY INTEGRATING WITH OTHER COMPANIES.
SO FOR INSTANCE, ONE CHAIN INVOLVES UBER AND AAM OPERATOR AND DELTA AIRLINES TO MOVE YOU FROM YOUR HOUSE TO APORT TO THE AIRPORT.
SO AS WITH DRONES, THE FAA IS THE AUTHORITY ON AIRCRAFT.
UM, THE STATE IS ALSO INVOLVED AS AIRCRAFT ARE INCLUDED IN THE TRANSPORTATION CODE.
IT IS MOSTLY LIMITED TO THE LOCATION OF AIRPORTS AND HELIPORTS, THOUGH THERE'S A LOT OF MOVEMENT AT BOTH LEVELS OF GOVERNMENT TO INTRODUCE REGULATIONS, AGAIN, INCLUDING WORKING GROUPS.
UM, AND THESE HAVE BEEN TASKED WITH DETERMINING THE ROLES AND RESPONSIBILITIES OF EACH LEVEL OF GOVERNMENT, INCLUDING MUNICIPAL GOVERNMENTS.
SO, UM, TEXAS ADOPTED, UM, A BILL IN THE LAST SESSION THAT WE'LL SEE A WORKING GROUP ESTABLISHED IN SEPTEMBER OF THIS YEAR, UH, AT THE FEDERAL LEVEL.
THEY ADOPTED A BILL LAST YEAR AND THAT WORKING GROUP, UH, WAS STRUCK IN FEBRUARY OF THIS YEAR.
SO THEY'RE, THEY'VE STARTED THEIR WORK TO KIND OF FIGURE OUT WHO, UM, HAS SAY IN WHAT AREAS.
SO IN THIS INTERIM PERIOD, UM, STAFF ARE SUGGESTING JUST A MINOR AMENDMENT TO OUR DEFINITION OF HELIPORT AND HELI STOP.
UM, BOTH OF THESE REFER EXPLICITLY TO HELICOPTERS, WHICH INCLUDES SOME AAM AIRCRAFT, BUT NOT ALL AMENDING.
THIS DEFINITION WOULD IMPACT, UM, NINE SITES IN THE CITY, WHICH EITHER HAVE A PERMISSION BY S U P OR PD TO OPERATE A HEIST STOP OR ARE LOCATED WITHIN THE CE UH, DISTRICT WHERE HEIST STOP IS PERMITTED BY.
NOT ALL OF THESE LOCATIONS ON SCREEN ARE ACTIVE.
UM, I THINK THERE'S TWO OF THEM ON HERE THAT ARE DEFUNCT.
SO AS A POTENTIAL AMENDED DEFINITION, STAFF ARE SUGGESTING TO JUST STRIKE THE WORD HELICOPTER AND REPLACE IT WITH ROTARY WING AND TILT ROTOR PASSENGER AIRCRAFT.
THIS WOULD BE, UM, CONSISTENT WITH SOME OF OUR PEER MUNICIPALITIES IN, UH, D F W, WHICH INCLUDES ALAN DALLAS, GARLAND AND RICHARDSON, WHICH I'LL REFER TO ROTARY WING AIRCRAFT INSTEAD OF HELICOPTERS.
SO THAT BRINGS US TO THE END OF THE PRESENTATION AND NOW IT'S JUST A RECAP OF THE DIRECTION THAT STAFF ARE SEEKING.
SO STAFF ARE ASKING IF COMMERCIAL DRONE DELIVERY HUBS SHOULD BE LISTED AS A USE IN THE ZONING ORDINANCE, AND IF SO, UM, SHOULD A SEPARATE LAND USE WITH LESS RESTRICTIVE STANDARDS BE INTRODUCED? B, SHOULD THE USES BE PERMITTED WHEN ACCESSORY TO SPECIFIC RETAIL SERVICE AND WAREHOUSE USES? C SHOULD THE USES BE PERMITTED AS A PRIMARY USE IN THE CE L I ONE AND I TWO DISTRICTS? AND FOR BOTH B AND C, SHOULD AN S U P BE REQUIRED OR NOT? D IS THE RECOMMENDED 150 FOOT SETBACK FROM SENSITIVE LAND USE AS APPROPRIATE OR IS A MORE RESTRICTIVE SET? SETBACK DESIRED E IS THE RECOMMENDED STANDARD LIMITING THE TOTAL SIZE OF AN AT GRADE TAKEOFF AND LANDING AREA TO 5% OF THE SITE AREA AS AN ACCESSORY USE APPROPRIATE OR AS AN ALTERNATIVE DESIRED.
AND F IS THERE ANYTHING ELSE THE COMMISSION, UH, WOULD LIKE STAFF TO CONSIDER? AND THEN THE LAST TWO, SHOULD THE HELIPORT AND HELL STOP LAND USE DEFINITIONS BE AMENDED TO INCLUDE PROVISIONS FOR ADVANCED AIR MOBILITY.
AND THREE, ARE THERE ANY OTHER RELATED ISSUES ON THIS TOPIC THAT, UH, STAFF SHOULD RESEARCH FURTHER? SO THE STAFF RECOMMENDATION IS THAT YOU PROVIDE US WITH SOME DIRECTION ON THESE TOPICS AND TO, UH, CALL A PUBLIC HEARING, UH, FOR THIS PURPOSE.
SO THAT CONCLUDES THE STAFF PRESENTATIONS.
I'M NOT SURE IF YOU WANT TO GO TO STAFF QUESTIONS OR IF YOU WANT TO HEAR FROM THE OPERATORS FIRST.
I, I THINK, UH, IT'D BE GOOD TO HEAR FROM THE OPERATORS AND BECAUSE I THINK SOME OF THOSE QUESTIONS THAT STAFF MIGHT GET, WHICH SIMPLY HAVE TO SAY, WELL, LET'S WAIT TILL THE OPERATOR.
SO LET'S GO THAT DIRECTION AND THEN WE'LL PROBABLY HAVE TO COME BACK, CIRCLE BACK AND LOOK AT THIS LIST OF QUESTIONS THAT YOU HAVE AGAIN.
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LET'S GO AHEAD AND WE'LL HAVE YOU BACK OBVIOUSLY, BUT LET'S MOVE TO THE OPERATOR PRESENTATIONS AND THEN WE WILL CIRCLE BACK TO THE RECOMMENDATIONS FROM STAFF.FIRST WE HAVE KENDALL PROAC AND TOM HILLIER AND IF WE COULD HAVE ERIC BREMMER AND WADE HARDIN COME DOWN AND TAKE A SEAT.
WE'RE PART OF THE SHOW AND TELL, SHOW AND TELL
HI, MY NAME IS KENDALL PROSEK.
I LEAD POLICY AND COMMUNITY AFFAIRS AT WING.
AND THIS IS MY COLLEAGUE TOM HILLIER.
HE IS OUR LAUNCH MANAGER AT WING FOR THE UNITED STATES.
UM, AND WE ARE REPRESENTING WING.
SO A LITTLE BACKGROUND ON WHO WE ARE.
UM, WE ARE JEROME DELIVERY COMPANY THAT HAS BEEN OPERATIONAL SINCE 28 20 18 ON A GLOBAL SCALE.
AND THESE ARE SOME IMAGES OF WHERE WE HAVE CURRENT OPERATIONS IN FINLAND, AUSTRALIA, CHRISTIANSBURG, VIRGINIA, THE D F W METRO, WHICH IS SPECIFICALLY FRISCO AND LITTLE ELM AS WELL AS LUSK IRELAND.
UM, AND THAT IS RIGHT OUTSIDE OF DUBLIN METRO.
AND I REALLY LIKE TO SHOW THIS SLIDE TO SHOW THAT UM, NOT ONLY DO WE OPERATE IN INCREDIBLY DIFFERENT AREAS, BUT ALSO THE GEOGRAPHY IS VERY DIFFERENT AS WELL.
SO WE CONTINUE TO OPERATE IN VERY VASTLY DIFFERENT MARKETS.
AND THEN IN FRISCO AND LITTLE ELM, WE ACTUALLY LAUNCHED LAST YEAR, APRIL OF 2022.
SO A LITTLE BIT ABOUT OUR AIRCRAFT IS TOM IS BEING MY VAN OF WHITE
UM, AS YOU CAN TELL, IT'S INCREDIBLY LIGHTWEIGHT.
IT CAN CARRY ABOUT THREE POUNDS.
SO THINK OF A ROTISSERIE CHICKEN.
WE ACTUALLY DELIVER QUITE A BIT OF THOSE IN AUSTRALIA AND THEY FIT PERFECTLY IN THE PACKAGE AS WELL.
UM, WE HAVE DELIVERED OVER 300,000 FLIGHTS ON A GLOBAL SCALE AND THEN THIS CRUISES AT ABOUT 65 MILES AN HOUR.
WE OPERATE ABOUT 150 FEET AND HAVE A DELIVERY RADIUS OF ABOUT SIX MILES.
SO THOSE ARE A FEW FACTS ON THE DRONE ITSELF.
AND THEN WING'S APPROACH TO COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT, THIS IS PROBABLY THE MOST IMPORTANT THING THAT WE DO WHEN WE ARE ENTERING IN A NEW MARKET.
UM, WE CONTINUE TO HAVE THINGS SUCH AS LIVE DEMONSTRATIONS PRIOR TO LAUNCHING, WE ARE OUT AT LOCAL BOOTHS FOR FESTIVALS OR FARMERS' MARKETS.
AND THEN WE REALLY DO ENGAGE WITH ALL OF THE STAKEHOLDERS WITHIN THE COMMUNITIES FROM YOURSELVES ALL THE WAY TO SCHOOLS, UM, TEACHERS, LAW ENFORCEMENT, ET CETERA, BECAUSE WE RECOGNIZE THAT COMMUNITIES ARE INCREDIBLY SACRED SPACE AND WE'RE COMING IN TO OFFER A SERVICE.
SO WE WANT TO BE ABLE TO BE A RESOURCE AND TO EDUCATE PEOPLE ON WHAT IT IS THAT WE'RE TRYING TO ACCOMPLISH.
WE KNOW THAT MOST OF THE TIME WHEN PEOPLE THINK OF DRONES, IT'S NOT THE SIZE OF THIS OR IT'S SMALLER OR MUCH LARGER.
SO WE BRING OUR DRONE WITH US EVERYWHERE.
FOR EXAMPLE, WE WERE JUST A FEW WEEKS AGO AT LITTLE ELMS BREWING QUEUE AND LIKE I MENTIONED, WE HAD LAUNCHED THERE LAST APRIL.
WE'RE STILL OUT DOING COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT AND THAT WOULDN'T CHANGE WITH ANYWHERE WE CONTINUE TO OPERATE.
WE DID A STUDY WITH VIRGINIA TECH ONE YEAR AFTER OPERATIONS IN CHRISTIANSBURG TO UNDERSTAND DOES THE COMMUNITY LIKE DRONE DELIVERY, DO THEY NOT? AND WE HAD AN 87% APPROVAL OF DRONE DELIVERY IN OUR FIRST US, UM, SERVICE AREA.
SO ABOUT OUR LIGHTWEIGHT NEST SET UP.
UM, I SAW THAT JORDAN HAD SOME OF OUR PHOTOS ON THE LAST DECK, SO IT'S REALLY NICE TO SEE, YOU GET TO SEE A FEW OF THEM HERE.
SO WE HAVE VERY DIFFERENT NESTS AND EXCUSE ME, WE USE THE WORD NEST RATHER THAN DRONE HUB.
SO IF I SAY NEST, I'M TALKING ABOUT A DRONE HUB FACILITY AS WELL.
UM, BUT THESE ARE VERY DIFFERENT OPTIONS.
AS YOU CAN SEE, THEY'RE SET UP INCREDIBLY DIFFERENTLY.
SO AT THE TOP LEFT, THIS IS OUR FACILITY IN CHRISTIANSBURG, VIRGINIA.
THE BOTTOM LEFT IS AN IMAGE IN AUSTRALIA.
THE MIDDLE IMAGE IS FRISCO STATION, UM, RIGHT OUTSIDE THE COWBOYS PRACTICE FACILITY IN FRISCO.
AND THEN THE LAST IMAGE ON THE RIGHT IS LITTLE ELM, AND THAT IS AT A PARTNER LOCATION, WHICH IS THE WALGREENS ON 4 23 AND EL DORADO.
SO AS YOU CAN SEE FROM THIS, THEY ARE VASTLY DIFFERENT.
AND OUR NESTS ARE SET UP BASED ON COMMUNITY NEED, PARTNER NEED, AND OUR EVOLVING TECHNOLOGY.
SO WITH THIS, WHILE WE UNDERSTAND THAT ZONING OF NEST WILL DEPEND ON LOCATION, WING SETUP IS INCREDIBLY LIGHTWEIGHT.
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JUST A POWER SOURCE, A FENCE, ET CETERA.AND THE SIZE DOESN'T NECESSARILY HAVE A SIGNIFICANT IMPACT ON HOW WE SET UP OUR NEST.
AND WE THINK THAT THE NEST, UM, LOCATION SHOULD BE APPROVED MOVING FORWARD.
HAVING THE FLEXIBILITY TO SERVE THE COMMUNITY IS OUR PRIORITY, AND SETTING THE LIMITATION ON THAT NEST SIZE COULD IMPACT HOW WE DO, UM, SERVE THE COMMUNITY.
SO LIKE I SAID, OVERALL IT'S REALLY NOT MUCH THAT WE NEED TO BE ABLE TO SET UP OUR OPERATION SPECIFICALLY.
UM, IT'S POWER, IT IS A FENCE PERMIT AND THEN LIKELY SOMETIMES A SMALL CONTAINER, UM, WHICH YOU SEE IN THAT TOP IMAGE.
AND EVEN THOUGH, OR EVEN MOST OF THE TIME WE DON'T NEED THAT SHIPPING CONTAINER, WE ARE ABLE TO USE OUR PARTNER SITES AS WELL.
SO MOVING ON TO RECOMMENDATIONS, WE HAVE FOUND THAT EXISTING ORDINANCE HAVE BEEN VERY FLEXIBLE AND THEY'VE ALLOWED US TO, UM, USE OUR FACILITIES TO BE BUILT HOW THEY ARE, WE'LL OF COURSE WORK WITH YOU ON THIS PROCESS, BUT WE HAVE FOUND THAT WITH OUR OPERATIONS, THERE HAVE BEEN WORKAROUNDS WITH CURRENT STANDINGS OF ZONING AND PLANNING.
UM, THE TECHNOLOGY IS EVER EVOLVING AND THAT CAN CREATE MORE HARM THAN GOOD DOWN THE LINE FOR ORDINANCES.
THAT COULD BE ARBITRARY, UM, SETTING POTENTIAL LIMITS ON WHAT THE DRONE HUB WILL BE.
IT MIGHT STIFLE INNOVA INNOVATION FOR COMPANIES AND THEN IN TURN HAVE AN IMPACT ON HOW THE CUSTOMERS AND PARTNERS WOULD BE ABLE TO UTILIZE DRONE DELIVERY.
WE OF COURSE ASK THAT THERE'S NO DUPLICATIVE UM, REGULATION BECAUSE THE FA DOES REGULATE US ALREADY, AS YOU HEARD IN JORDAN'S PRESENTATION.
AND THEN OF COURSE, NOT TO BE OVERLY PRESCRIPTIVE WITH DRONE HUBS AND HOW THEY'RE SET UP BECAUSE OUR SYSTEMS ARE SET UP TO EVOLVE BASED ON COMMUNITY AND PARTNER NEEDS AS WELL AS WITH OUR TECHNOLOGY.
SO THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR INVITING US AND ALLOWING US TO SPEAK TODAY.
HE DOES HELP SET UP THE SITE, SO I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.
UM, DO WE HAVE, HOW MANY SPEAKERS DO WE HAVE? ACTUALLY, WE HAVE TWO MORE AND WE HAVE, UH, JUST UNDER NINE MINUTES LEFT OF PRESENTATION TIME.
WE'RE GONNA BE A LITTLE FLEXIBLE OVER THAT I THINK BECAUSE WE MAY HAVE SOME QUESTIONS.
SO YOU GUYS WANNA ASK QUESTIONS OF THEM NOW OR WOULD YOU RATHER HEAR FROM THE OTHER OPERATORS AND THEN MAYBE LET'S HEAR FROM THEM ALL.
LET'S HEAR FROM 'EM ALL FIRST.
SO DON'T STRAY TOO FAR CUZ CHANCES ARE, WE'LL, WE'LL, WE'LL, WE'LL CALL YOU BACK, BUT LET'S MOVE ON TO OUR NEXT PRESENTER.
I AM HERE TO TAKE QUESTIONS, FIELD QUESTIONS.
I DIDN'T BRING MY FANCY PRESENTATION OR MY AIRCRAFT WITH ME TONIGHT,
UH, BUT MORE THAN HAPPY TO TO INTERJECT WITH SOME OF THE SUBTLE BUT UH, CRUCIAL DIFFERENCES BETWEEN ANY OF THE THREE OPERATORS THAT ARE PRESENT THIS EVENING.
UM, MOSTLY GONNA BE AROUND WEIGHTS, SIZE OF FACILITIES, THINGS ALONG THOSE LINES, WEIGHTS THAT WE CAN CARRY THAT IS, AND THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN AIRCRAFT TYPE.
BUT THE MAJORITY OF WHAT KENDALL AND, AND TOM MENTIONED, UH, HOLDS TRUE FOR THE ENTIRE INDUSTRY, UH, AS FAR AS ENSURING THAT WE GET THE FLEXIBILITY THAT WE NEED TO, UH, SERVE THE COMMUNITIES THAT WE'RE TRYING TO SERVE.
SO, OKAY, I'LL BE SUPER BRIEF.
LET'S GO TO THE NEXT, UH, NEXT IS WADE HARDEN.
WADE HARDEN WITH FLY TRACKS, UH, COMPANY FOUNDED IN 2014.
WE HAVE, UH, LOCATIONS CURRENTLY IN OPERATION IN DURHAM, NORTH CAROLINA, AS WELL AS DFW.
UM, WE'RE KIND OF THE, I GUESS THE UBER EATS OF THE SKY.
UH, PRIMARILY DELIVER FOOD, UH, AS A VAST MAJORITY OF OUR DELIVERIES.
UH, A COUPLE THINGS, I'LL MAKE IT QUICK.
I DON'T HAVE A PRE PRESENTATION AS WELL, BUT, UM, A COUPLE THINGS I WANTED TO TOUCH UPON.
TWO THINGS THAT WE LOOK AT FROM A STANDPOINT OF WHEN WE LOOK TO LOCATE A SITE, WE LOOK TYPICALLY TO CO-LOCATE WITH RETAIL.
SO THAT'S, I THINK IN, IN WITH STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION OF CO-LOCATION.
I THINK THAT MAKES SENSE FOR US, BUT WE ALSO LOOK TO LOOK AT STANDALONE RETAIL PARCELS AND OUT PARCELS.
AND SO, UH, WOULD LIKE YOU TO CONSIDER, UM, SOME OPPORTUNITIES TO BE ABLE TO LOCATE AS A STANDALONE LOCATION, WHETHER THAT'S POTENTIALLY THROUGH S U P OR A C U P, IF THERE'RE CONCERNS WITH THE, UH, THE USE AND HOW MAYBE A BUTTS LOCATIONS OR HOW IT INTERACTS WITH THE RETAIL.
BUT THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WOULD BE OF INTEREST TO US BECAUSE WE DO HAVE STANDALONE LOCATIONS THAT, THAT WE OPERATE.
UM, OUTSIDE OF THAT, I THINK, UM, YOU KNOW, FROM A, THE WAY WE OPERATE, I THINK A LOT OF SIMILARITIES BETWEEN THE, THE OTHER COMPANIES THAT ARE HERE THIS EVENING.
UM, YOU KNOW, WE, WE OPERATE TYPICALLY A LITTLE BIT LARGER SITE PROBABLY THAN THE OTHERS.
WE HAVE A TYPICALLY LOOK FOR A 70 BY 70 SITE.
UM, WE DO OPERATE AN EASEMENT.
SOMETIMES WE LOOK AT SOME ODD, ODD CONFIGURATIONS THAT AREN'T DEVELOPABLE FROM A RETAIL PERSPECTIVE SOMETIMES AND, AND TAKE THOSE LOCATIONS, UH, WORKING WITH JURISDICTIONS.
SO THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE, WE CONSIDER AS WELL.
UM, BUT OUTSIDE OF THAT, I THINK THE, YOU KNOW, THE OTHER ITEMS THAT 150 FOOT SETBACK, THE 5% OF IT FOR AN ACCESSORY USE, THOSE TYPES OF THINGS ARE, ARE WELL WITHIN REASON FOR US.
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THE END OF THE DAY, IF WE HAVE A CLEAR PATH TO DEVELOPMENT, UNDERSTANDING WHAT THE CITY'S REGULATIONS ARE, WHAT THEY WANT, UH, A LOT OF TIMES WE CAN WORK WITHIN THOSE CONFINES AND, AND, UH, MAKE IT HAPPEN ON OUR SIDE OF THINGS.BUT HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THAT THE COMMISSION MIGHT HAVE.
THAT IS THE LAST OF OUR SPEAKERS.
I, I WOULD SUGGEST YOU COME DOWN, I'M NOT SURE WHO'S GONNA ASK A QUESTION AND WHO THEY'RE GONNA ASK IT OF.
AND IT'S POSSIBLE THAT A QUESTION WILL BE ASKED THAT ONE PERSON WILL ANSWER AND THEN WE'LL SAY, HOW'S YOURS DIFFERENT? OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
AND I, I DON'T MEAN FOR THIS TO TURN INTO AN HOUR, UH, IF YOU HAVE SPECIFIC QUESTIONS THAT ARE RELATED TO HOW ARE THEY GONNA FLY WITHIN OUR SPACE VERSUS WHAT ELSE DO THEY CARRY BESIDE CHICKENS.
UM, LET'S START WITH MR. BRUNO.
UM, WHERE'S KENDALL? OH, THERE YOU ARE.
AND I GUESS I COULD CALL YOU MS. PROZAC? YES, THAT'S FINE.
SO HOW DO YOU WISH TO BE ADDRESSED? I'M SORRY.
HOW DO YOU WISH TO BE ADDRESSED? OH, KENDALL'S FINE.
UM, WHAT IS THE POWER SOURCE FOR THESE CRAFT, THESE AIRCRAFT? YEP, GREAT QUESTION.
SO ON THE BOTTOM OF OUR DRAWING, THANK YOU.
THERE ARE ACTUALLY A FEW PINS RIGHT HERE.
SO ON IF I CAN GO BACK TO MY SLIDE, YOU JUST HOLD.
UM, AM I GOING THE WRONG WAY? WRONG WAY FORWARD, SORRY.
UM, IF I GO BACK TO MY SLIDES, YOU'LL SEE OUR NEST SET UP WITH THE PADS AND IN BETWEEN EVERY PAD THERE'S A CHARGING PAD, UM, OR I'M SORRY, A GEO FIDUCIAL.
SO, UH, YOU CAN SCROLL IN WITH YOUR EYES, YOU'LL SEE THE DRONE SITTING DOWN ON ONE, UM, IN THE LITTLE ELM NEST, AND THEN THERE'S A BIG GEO FIDUCIAL, BUT THE DRONE ALWAYS SITS IN THAT MIDDLE PAD AND IT IS CHARGING CONSTANTLY.
SO IT'S BATTERIES WHAT I'M GETTING AT.
UM, AND IT HAS TWO BATTERIES ON OUR VEHICLE.
ONE'S ALWAYS THERE FOR BACKUP.
WHAT PREVENTS THE POWER FROM RUNNING OUT WHILE IT IS IN FLIGHT AND FALLING DOWN ON, ON ON PEOPLE AND PROPERTY? YES.
SO AS YOU CAN TELL WITH OUR AIRCRAFT, IT HAS SO MANY REDUNDANCIES BUILT IN INTO THIS.
UM, WE HAVE MULTIPLE PROPELLERS, MULTIPLE BATTERIES, MULTIPLE EVERYTHING.
AND THAT IS BECAUSE OUR ENGINEERS HAVE TAKEN THIS SO SERIOUSLY, THAT SAFETY TRULY IS OUR FIRST, UM, PRIORITY.
WE WANT TO, TO BE ABLE TO UNDERSTAND THAT THIS DRONE, IF A ROUTER IN PROPELLER GOES OFF IN THIS FIRST QUADRANT OR IN THE SECOND ONE UNTIL IT GOES OUT IN TWO QUADRANTS, THAT'S, THAT'S THE ONLY WAY IT'S GOING TO HAVE A LAND NOW AND COMMUNICATE WITH OUR PILOTS TO SAY WE CANNOT FLY ANYMORE.
SO OUR ENGINEERS HAVE TAKEN ALL OF THOSE PRECAUTIONS TO TRULY BUILT IN EVERY TYPE OF BACKUP THAT YOU CAN THINK ABOUT.
OKAY, LET'S CONSIDER THAT ROTISSERIE CHICKEN FOR EXAMPLE.
IF CUSTOMER CALLS RESTAURANT AND ORDERS THE CHICKEN, WHAT HAPPENS THEN? DOES THE RESTAURANT CALL YOU AND YOU HAVE TO FLY INTO THE RESTAURANT, PICK UP THE CHICKEN, AND THEN FLY OUT TO THE CUSTOMER AND DELIVER? GREAT QUESTION.
SO WE ARE AN APP BASED, UM, WE'RE APP BASED, SO IT'S WING DRONE DELIVERY, UM, VERY SIMILAR TO I THINK, UH, WADE SAID UBER EATS OR SOMETHING OF THAT NATURE, VERY SIMILAR TO US WE'RE APP.
SO, UH, WALGREENS IS ONE OF OUR PARTNERS HERE.
SO FOR EXAMPLE, YOU WOULD GO ON TO OUR APP AND YOU WOULD SAY, I NEED THEIR FLUTE AND DEODORANT AND YOU KNOW, PACKAGE OF SKITTLES.
SO THEN THE WALGREENS EMPLOYEE WILL GO THROUGH THE STORE, THEY WILL PACK THE BOX UP, THEY WILL COME OUT TO THAT NEST FACILITY THAT I SHOWED, AND THEY'RE THE ONES THAT ACTUALLY HOOK UP THE PACKAGE TO THE DRONE ITSELF.
OH, YOU MEAN THE STORE HAS TO TRAVEL TO THE HUB WITH THE PACKAGE? SO FOR THIS ONE, UH, IT'S AT THAT FACILITY.
SO THIS WALGREENS ON THIS PICTURE ON THE RIGHT SIDE, THAT WALGREENS IS 50 FEET AWAY.
SO WE SET THESE UP WITH, UM, PARTNERS IN MIND.
AND THEN FOR EXAMPLE, WITH FRISCO STATION, WE HAVE TWO SHIPPING CONTAINERS ON THAT LOCATION, UM, WHERE ONE IS A MERCHANT, SO BLUE BELL ICE CREAM IS THERE, FOR EXAMPLE, AND BLUE BELL WILL COME AND DROP OFF THE ICE CREAM AND WE HOLD THAT ON SITE.
BUT, BUT, SO THERE ARE TWO VERY DIFFERENT MODELS.
WHAT IF A STORE THAT DOES NOT HAVE A PAD ON SITE WE SERVICE, DO YOU THEN HAVE TO MAKE TWO FLIGHTS, ONE FOR PICKUP AND ANOTHER FOR DELIVERY? WE DO NOT HAVE THAT CAPABILITY TODAY.
SO YOU HAVE TO HAVE A SITE AT THE MERCHANT'S LOCATION? YES.
UM, DO YOU KNOW IN DECIBELS, HOW MUCH NOISE DOES THAT MACHINE MAKE? I DON'T KNOW THE EXACT DECIBEL AND I CAN FIND OUT AND GET BACK TO, BUT IT'S LESS THAN UM, A LEAF BLOWER THAT YOUR NEIGHBOR'S BLOWING.
UM, AND FINALLY I NOTICED THE, THE TWO REAR STABILIZERS ARE NOT SYMMETRICAL.
ONE OF THEM HAS PROJECTIONS, THE OTHER ONE DOESN'T.
WHAT ARE THOSE? ARE YOU REFERENCING THIS? YES.
THIS IS CALLED THE AIR DATA POD.
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THIS IS A PTO TUBE.A PTO TUBE IS ON ALMOST EVERY AIRCRAFT.
IT'S WHAT HELPS THE AIRCRAFT KNOW THE AIR SPEED THAT IT'S GOING.
SO EVERY GENERAL AVIATION AIRCRAFT, AIRCRAFT TO A COMMERCIAL AIRLINER HAS A PTO TUBE? NO.
IT'S NOT NECESSARY TO HAVE THEM ON BOTH SIDES THEN? NO.
ALRIGHT, CHAIRMAN, COMMISSIONER TO, UM, I HAVE A QUESTION REGARDING YOUR OPERATION HOURS.
UH, WHAT, UH, WHAT'S YOUR TYPICAL OPERATING HOURS? RIGHT NOW? WE OPERATE SUNRISE TO SUNSET.
UM, WE ONLY OPERATE IN DAYLIGHT HOURS, SO THAT FLUCTUATES BASED ON DAYLIGHT SAVINGS TIME.
UM, ANOTHER QUESTION IS THAT REGARDING YOUR AIRCRAFT, IS THAT THE ONLY MODEL THAT YOU'RE OPERATING RIGHT NOW? OR MAYBE A QUESTION TO THE OTHER CARRIERS OR OPERATORS TOO? DO YOU HAVE DIFFERENT SIZES? CUZ I REALIZE THAT IN THE PRESENTATION OUR STAFF GAVE, IT HAS THIS SIZE AS A WEIGHT, LIKE THE TOTAL WEIGHT TO CLASSIFIED AS A SMALL, UM, AND, AND THEN THE AIRCRAFT, BUT IT DIDN'T SPECIFY THE DIMENSIONS.
SO IS THERE A KIND OF A TYPICAL DIMENSION THAT YOU RUN FOR WING? THIS IS THE AIRCRAFT THAT WE FLY IN THE UNITED STATES.
WE DO HAVE ANOTHER MODEL THAT IS JUST A LITTLE LARGER ON THESE WINGS, UM, AND IT HAS TWO PROPELLERS RATHER THAN THE ONE.
SO THIS IS, THESE ARE LONGER, UM, THIS IS THE MODEL WE FLY IN THE UNITED STATES THOUGH, AND THE SIZE OF THE AIRCRAFT WILL, UM, KIND OF DICTATE THE PAD YOU NEED.
WHAT'S YOUR DIMENSION OF THE PAD? NO, IT'S THE SAME.
UH, THIS AIRCRAFT IS THE SAME CHARGING PAD, SAME GEO FIDUCIAL AS THE OTHER AIRCRAFT I JUST MENTIONED AS WELL.
WHAT IS THE DIMENSION OF YOUR EACH PAD FOR THE LANDING? THEY'RE ROUGHLY FOUR FEET BY FOUR FEET.
DO YOU WANNA ANSWER ABOUT YOUR AIRCRAFT? SURE.
SO IN SIMILAR REGARD, THE AIRCRAFT THAT WE FLY, THEN JORDAN HAD PICTURES OF IT UP EARLIER, UM, HOLDS A 10 POUND PACKAGE.
OUR AIRCRAFT WEIGHS ABOUT 30 POUNDS WITH THE BATTERIES INSTALLED ON IT.
UM, AND OFFERS THE OPPORTUNITY TO DELIVER THAT A ANY PARCEL UP TO 10, DO 10 POUNDS, UH, FROM WALMART SUPER CENTERS.
UH, AS FAR AS THE, THE DIMENSIONS ARE CONCERNED, IT SITS ABOUT 40 BY 40 INCHES, UH, WIDTH AND AND DEPTH AND STANDS ABOUT 37 INCHES OFF THE GROUND.
SO, AND YOUR LANDING PADS, THE SIZE, THE LANDING PAD IS ACTUALLY A 18 BY 18 SQUARE WITH A SIMILAR PICTURE TO WHAT YOU'VE SEEN.
UH, FROM KENDALL'S PRESENTATION, THE AIRCRAFT LANDS IN A 40 INCH BY 40 INCH SQUARE, SO A LITTLE LESS THAN THE WHOLE PARKING SPOT, I GUESS.
HOW BIG WOULD THAT REQUIRE? WE COULD, WE COULD LAND THREE AIRCRAFT IN ONE PARKING SPOT.
I'M TRYING TO IMAGINE THAT, ENVISIONING THAT.
BEFORE, BEFORE YOU STEP AWAY, I THINK IT'S WORTH GETTING ALL THREE OF YOU TO ANSWER THE SAME QUESTION.
NONE OF YOU ARE OFFERING THIS, UH, APP.
YOU GO, HEY, I WANT A, SOMETHING FROM THIS STORE TO COME TO MY HOUSE.
IT HAS TO BE A PARTNER FACILITY THAT YOU'RE LOCATED WITH.
NONE OF YOU ARE FLYING TO SOME RANDOM STORE TO PICK SOMETHING UP AND TAKING IT TO A RESIDENCE? I AM NOT CURRENTLY.
SO JUST SO THAT WE ALL KIND OF GET THAT RIGHT.
SO IN EVERY CASE THEY'RE GONNA BE WORKING WITH A PARTNER FACILITY EXCEPT FOR, AS HE MENTIONED, YOU MAY HAVE A STANDALONE.
AND I WOULD BE INTERESTED IN UNDERSTANDING HOW DOES THAT STANDALONE WORK IF IT'S NOT A ASSOCIATED WITH A PARTNER? OR ARE YOU LOOKING FOR A STANDALONE SITE THAT COULD BE ASSOCIATED WITH A PARTNER? SURE.
SO WE, WE STILL WORK WITH PARTNERS.
SO, UH, FOR EXAMPLE, WE HAVE A LOCATION, HOLLY SPRINGS, NORTH CAROLINA.
THAT LOCATION IS, IS A ON THE, ON A PARCEL AND OUT PARCEL NEXT TO A SHOPPING CENTER.
SO LITERALLY WE'RE, WE'RE NEXT DOOR.
BUT AGAIN, IT'S, IT'S NOT ON THE SAME LOT.
SO FROM A ZONING PERSPECTIVE, I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'D BE CONSIDERED CO-LOCATING DEPENDING ON HOW THE ORDINANCE READS, BUT AGAIN, WE DO NEED TO BE CLOSE TO THE RETAIL, UM, FROM THE PERSPECTIVE OF THE DELIVERIES, VERY SIMILAR TO THE OTHER.
JUST SO IT'S KIND OF CLEAR TO EVERYBODY WE'RE WE'RE NOT ISOLATED, FLYING BACK AND FORTH FROM A BUNCH OF DIFFERENT PLACES.
CONTINUE WITH YOUR, YOU HAVE OTHER QUESTIONS? THAT'S, THAT'S ALL MY QUESTIONS.
UH, COMMISSIONER MORALES, FIRST OF ALL, I'VE MADE A NOTE THAT IF I NEED EMERGENCY BLUE BELL, I NEED TO ORDER IT BEFORE SUNDOWN
UM, HAVE KIND OF A QUESTION FOR ALL THREE OF Y'ALL.
Y'ALL HAVE SEEN THE STAFF RECOMMENDATIONS.
UM, I GUESS ARE THERE ANY OF THEM, AND I GUESS I NEED TO POSE THE QUESTION TO EACH ONE OF YOU INDIVIDUALLY.
ARE THERE ANY OF THE RECOMMENDATIONS FROM THE STAFF THAT YOU HAVE AN OBJECTION TO START WITH YOU? NO, SIR.
NO, I DON'T HAVE ANY OBJECTIONS OTHER THAN I WOULD LIKE THE COMMISSION TO CONSIDER, UH, THE STANDAL SIDE RATHER THAN THE
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LOCATION.AND THEN, UH, THE ONLY THING I THINK JORDAN HAD MENTIONED THE LIMITED NUMBER OF PADS AND FLIGHTS, UH, HE SAID THAT THAT COULD BE A POTENTIAL RECOMMENDATION.
SO JUST CONSIDERING NOT TO HAVE A LIMITATION ON FLIGHTS OR PATHS OR SITES.
THANK YOU COMMISSIONER BRONSKI.
AND I JUST, LET'S, IF YOU'RE GONNA, I'M SORRY, MAKE YOU DO THIS, BUT PEOPLE AT HOME THAT MIGHT BE WATCHING THIS CAN'T HEAR YOU IF YOU DON'T.
SO IF IF THEY ASK THE QUESTION, PLEASE COME FORWARD.
SO I'VE GOT A COUPLE QUESTIONS FOR JORDAN FIRST, UH, ON, CAN YOU GO BACK TO PAGE, I THINK 73 OF YOUR PRESENTATION? I CAN JUST BARELY SEE THESE.
UM, I'M, I WANNA START OUT BY SAYING I'M VERY EXCITED ABOUT THIS OPPORTUNITY.
I REALLY THINK I WOULD LOVE TO SEE, UH, WELL, I GUESS I'LL SAY, UH, I WISH I WERE HEARING PLANO WOULD BE, WE'RE ON THE VERY CUTTING EDGE OF THE AAMS AS WELL, BUT I'M, I THINK THIS IS A GREAT THING THAT, UM, WE CAN START LOOKING AT AND UNDERSTANDING WITHIN THE CITY, UH, FOR ALL OF OUR RESIDENTS.
UM, MY FIRST QUESTION IS, UH, WHAT ARE WE DOING AS A CITY RELATED TO COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT, TO FINDING OUT WHAT OUR CITIZENS ARE THINKING ABOUT THIS BEYOND HEARING FROM US? HAVE WE DONE ANYTHING? SO, UM, IN PREPARATION FOR THIS MEETING, UH, WE HAVE NOT, UM, IF THERE'S ANY COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT DIRECTED AS PART OF THE, ONCE WE HAVE A DIRECTION TO PREPARE A ORDINANCE, UM, THEN IF THERE'S OPPORTUNITY FOR COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT OUTSIDE OF THE TYPICAL PUBLIC HEARING PROCESS THAT MAY BE APPROPRIATE.
UH, NUMBER, MY SECOND QUESTION IS ON THIS SLIDE.
IF WE DON'T DO SOMETHING AND IF WE DON'T ADOPT SOME SOMETHING THAT IS INVITING, IS IT CONCEIVABLE THAT DRONE PROVIDERS CAN RING THE CITY AND THEN DELIVER WITH DELIVER WITHIN TO THE CITY WITHOUT HA US HAVING ANY CONTROL OVER THAT? UH, THAT'S CORRECT.
UM, SO AS THE SLIDE NOTES, WE CANNOT REGULATE FLIGHT PADS.
WE ALSO CANNOT, UH, CLOSE OUR AIRSPACE.
UM, SO FOR INSTANCE, UH, WITH WING WHO OPERATES, UM, JUST ACROSS THIS WHOLE IN FRISCO, UM, AS KENDALL MENTIONED, THEY HAVE AN UP TO A SIX MILE DELIVERY RADIUS SO THEY CAN DELIVER WITHIN SIX MILES OF THEIR LOCATION IN FRISCO, UM, TO ANY MUNICIPALITY.
SO WE WOULD, WE WOULD BE VERY WISE TO BE, UH, ATTENTIVE TO THAT, UH, POSSIBILITY AND UNDERSTANDING THAT, UM, SHOULD WE DECIDE TO TRY NOT TO DO ANYTHING, UH, WE COULD ULTIMATELY HAVE NEGATIVE CONSEQUENCES BY NOT WORKING, UH, WITH THIS PROCESS.
SO I THINK THE, THE CONVERSATION TONIGHT IS MORE SO ABOUT WHERE IN THE CITY WOULD WE LIKE, UM, THESE PROVIDERS TO PARTNER WITH OUR EXISTING PLANO BUSINESSES.
UM, SO I ALSO, ON THIS, UH, WE TALKED ABOUT NOT BEING ABLE TO REGULATE, UH, FLIGHT PATTERNS AND THINGS LIKE THAT.
UH, AND IT, WE TALKED ABOUT THE FAA, BUT THE FAA HAS AIR TRAFFIC CONTROLLERS THAT KIND OF PASS OFF.
WHAT IS, UH, UH, WHAT BRINGS TOGETHER THESE THREE DIFFERENT COMPANIES OPERATING ALL THREE, POSSIBLY WITHIN THE CITY? UH, MAKING SURE THAT WE DON'T HAVE SOME SORT OF AIR TRAFFIC PROBLEMS? FOR SURE.
SO THE, UM, THE FAA INSTITUTED A RULE A COUPLE YEARS AGO NOW THAT REQUIRES A BROADCAST ID ON ALL DRONES.
UM, THEY GAVE A COUPLE YEARS FOR MANUFACTURER MANUFACTURERS TO CATCH UP.
SO THAT RULE DOES COME INTO EFFECT IN SEPTEMBER OF THIS YEAR.
UM, I'M SURE THE INDIVIDUALS BEHIND YOU CAN TALK A LOT MORE, UM, ABOUT, UH, HOW THEIR DRONES COMMUNICATE WITH EACH OTHER.
UM, IN TERMS OF AIR TRAFFIC CONTROL, UM, THERE'S A COUPLE THINGS GOING ON.
SO OF COURSE, FAA, NASA, AND INDUSTRY ARE ALL WORKING TOGETHER ON KIND OF A, A NATIONAL FRAMEWORK FOR HOW ALL THESE DIFFERENT LOW ALTITUDE AIRCRAFT COMMUNICATE WITH EACH OTHER.
IT WON'T BE THROUGH THE TRADITIONAL AIR TRAFFIC CONTROL TO A TOWER TALKING TO A HUMAN.
IT'LL BE COMPUTER TO COMPUTER AIRCRAFT TO AIRCRAFT COMMUNICATING WITH EACH OTHER ON THE MUCH MORE LOCAL SCALE.
UM, NORTH CENTRAL TEXAS COUNCIL OF GOVERNMENTS ACTUALLY ISSUED AN RFP TO GET, UM, PROPOSALS TO CREATE A LOCAL, UM, AIR TRAFFIC FRAMEWORK.
AND THEY ARE LOOKING FOR MUNICIPAL PARTNERS IN THAT PROJECT.
AND IT IS SOMETHING THAT WE COULD PARTICIPATE IN AS A MUNICIPALITY.
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YEAH, I THINK THAT WOULD BE A GREAT OPPORTUNITY FOR US TO PARTICIPATE.UH, JORDAN, I DO HAVE A QUESTION FOR ERIC.
UH, MR. BREMMER, UH, YOU MENTIONED THAT YOU DELIVER FOR WALMART, CORRECT? UH, EVERYTHING IN THEIR STORE.
UH, THE SUPER CENTERS, WE CARRY ABOUT 83% OF THEIR TOTAL ASSORTMENT.
WE'RE NOT GONNA BE THE GUYS AND GALS THAT DELIVER KAYAKS AND TELEVISIONS, UH, BUT JUST ABOUT EVERYTHING ELSE IN THE CONSUMER PACKAGE GOODS SPACE FITS IN THE BOX.
SO MY DAUGHTER, CARRIE, UH, I ACTUALLY WAS TALKING TO HER ABOUT THIS.
SHE'S 20 AND, UH, SHE THINKS IT'S A GREAT IDEA, BUT SHE WANTED ME TO ASK YOU SOMETHING.
UM, WHAT ABOUT PETS? WHAT ABOUT CARRYING FISH OR BIRDS OR SOMETHING THAT WALMART'S SELLING? HOW ARE ANIMALS TREATED? UH, AS IT RELATES TO DELIVERY? I'D HAVE TO CONFIRM, BUT I'M FAIRLY CONFIDENT THE FAA REGULATES THE MOVEMENT OF LIVESTOCK AND OTHER LIVE, UH, ANIMALS.
UH, AND WE'RE NOT PERMITTED TO AT THIS POINT.
SO NOT GONNA BRING ANOTHER GOLDFISH, I'M SORRY.
WELL, SHE WAS, SHE WAS WORRIED ABOUT THE FISH'S LIFE ITSELF.
SO AS IT RELATED TO, UM, WORKING TOGETHER WITH THE OTHER COMPANIES IN THE AREA AND, UH, THE FLIGHT PATHS AND SURE.
THOSE KIND OF INTERACTIONS ACROSS PLANO, WHAT, WHAT DO YOU SEE OR HOW DO YOU SEE THE DIFFERENT, UH, I'LL USE THE WORD DRONE, DRONE INTERACTIONS ACROSS PLANO AS IT RELATES TO WORKING WITH ALL OF THE OTHER DRONE COMPANIES TO MAKE SURE OUR SKIES ARE SAFE.
SO PART OF, UH, WHAT WE OPERATE UNDER WITH THAT PART 1 0 7 CERTIFICATION, UH, IS A REQUIREMENT FOR OUR CURRENT, UH, PILOTS TO MAINTAIN VISUAL, UH, LINE OF SIGHT OF THE AIRCRAFT AT ALL TIMES.
SO THE NAKED EYE HAS TO BE ABLE TO SEE THE AIRCRAFT IN MOTION, UM, BOTH FROM TAKEOFF TO THE DELIVERY POINT AND THE RETURN.
UH, ALL OF OUR PILOTS ARE REQUIRED TO OPERATE UNDER SEEK AND AVOID.
UM, WHILE THE AIRCRAFT IS RELATIVELY AUTONOMOUS AND PLANNING ITS OWN MISSION AND PLANNING ITS OWN FLIGHT PATH, THE OPERATOR STILL HAS COMPLETE AND TOTAL CONTROL, UH, SHOULD THEY SEE SOMETHING THAT THE AIRCRAFT DOES NOT.
UM, AND I WILL LET, UH, OTHERS COMMENT ON THEIR ORGANIZATIONS.
I, ONE LAST THING ON WING, I I I LOVED THE 87%.
UH, IT'S TO ME, UH, VERY ENCOURAGING AND VERY EXCITING THAT YOU ARE VERY PROACTIVE IN TALKING TO THE COMMUNITY BECAUSE I, UH, AS I SAID, I, I WANT US TO BE FORWARD THINKING.
I WANT PLANO TO BE SOMETHING MY GRANDCHILDREN ARE EXCITED ABOUT AND WANT TO LIVE IN.
AND I THINK MOVING IN THIS DIRECTION AND EVEN FURTHER, UM, IS IMPORTANT, BUT IT'S ALSO IMPORTANT TO EDUCATE US OLDER PEOPLE WHO ARE MAYBE A LITTLE MORE HESITANT ON THOSE KIND OF THINGS.
SO THE FACT THAT YOU GUYS ARE REALLY ENGAGING AND TALKING TO THE COMMUNITY AND SEEKING INPUT FROM THEM AND SHARING WHAT YOU'RE DOING AND MAKING IT NOT SCARY, UH, I WANNA SAY THANK YOU VERY MUCH CUZ UH, THAT'S VERY IMPORTANT TO ME.
I JUST WANNA SAY I'M YOUNG, NOT HARD AT LEAST.
UM, UM, TWO QUESTIONS FOR THE OPERATOR.
WELL, ONE QUESTION FOR THE OPERATOR.
WHICH OPERATOR? UH, LET'S USE WING, UM, OKAY.
CAN, IF YOU WOULDN'T MIND COMING UP.
THE FINAL DELIVERY, HOW DOES THAT HAPPEN? I PRESUME THERE'S A WHAT, A DROP OFF HEIGHT? YES.
SO, OUR AIRCRAFT GENERALLY FLIES ABOUT 150 FEET.
AND WHEN IT GETS TO YOUR HOME, FOR EXAMPLE, TO DELIVER YOUR BLUE BELT ICE CREAM, THE AIRCRAFT WILL HOVER AT ABOUT 20 FEET.
AND THERE IS A TETHER SYSTEM ON OUR DRONE, THOMAS, POINTING TO WHAT WE REFER TO AS THE PILL.
AND THAT HOOKS ONTO THE PACKAGE ITSELF.
IT LOOKS KIND OF LIKE A WHIFFLE BALL WITH A LITTLE TOOTH ON IT.
SO WHAT HAPPENS IS THE AIRCRAFT'S HOVERING AT 20 FEET.
THIS TETHER WILL SLOWLY HOVER DOWN WITH THE PACKAGE ATTACHED, AND ONCE THE PACKAGE HITS THE GROUND, IT UNHOOKS ITSELF.
SO IT'S ALL GRAVITY THAT DOES THE WORK.
YOU DON'T HAVE TO BE HOME TO COLLECT YOUR PACKAGE.
AFTER THAT HAPPENS, THE TETHER GOES BACK UP INTO THE DRONE AND THE DRONE FLIES BACK TO THE NEST AND IT CHARGES.
UM, QUESTION FOR POSSIBLY FOR YOU, MICHELLE.
IN SENATE BILL 9 0 5, THE EXTENSION OF PRIVATE PROPERTY WRITES ABOVE 200 FEET.
IN READING THAT AS IF, LET'S ASSUME WE DON'T DO ANYTHING AND PRIVATE PROPERTY RIGHTS ARE EXTENDED ABOVE THE BUILDING 200 FEET, THEN THIS ESSENTIALLY NEGATES AN, A REGULATION
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THAT, UH, A RETAIL OR DRONE OPERATOR.BECAUSE IF I OWN THE AIRSPACE ABOVE MY ROOF MM-HMM.
I'M SORRY, I JUST HAVE NOT STUDIED THIS STUFF.
I CANNOT, IS THAT A FEDERAL? YEAH, IT WAS PART OF THE PACKAGE.
I'M JUST NOT AN EXPERT ON AIR PROPERTY RIGHTS, SO, SO, OKAY.
WE FIND OUR SWEET SPOT IS 150.
ACTUALLY, THE SLIDE THAT IS ON NOW, 73, THE, THE PREVIOUS SLIDE 72 MADE A, MAYBE NOT THE, BUT YOU TALKED ABOUT THE TEXAS STATE REGULATION.
I READ THAT AS SEMEN, THAT THE STATE HAS PRECEDENTS, AND WE REALLY DON'T HAVE MUCH WIGGLE ROOM HERE.
BUT ON THE NEXT COUPLE OF SLIDES, IT SEEMS LIKE WE HAVE SOME AREAS THAT WE CAN REGULATE.
SO I'M TRYING TO MARRY BOTH SENTIMENTS IN MY HEAD.
SO THE, THE LANGUAGE USED BY THE STATE IS, AND I DO HAVE IT COPIED OUT HERE SOMEWHERE, IT'S THAT WE'RE RESTRICTED FROM, UH, ADOPTING AN ENFORCING ORDINANCES RELATED TO THE OPERATION OF AN UNMANNED AIRCRAFT.
THERE IS NO CASE LAW YET ABOUT WHAT IS ENTAILED WITHIN THE OPERATION OF AN AIRCRAFT.
UM, THE ITEMS HIGHLIGHTED HERE IN YELLOW, THOSE WERE TWO THINGS THAT THE FAA TOLD US, THAT UNDER THEIR SUITE OF REGULATIONS, WE COULD, UM, HAVE SOME INFLUENCE OVER, SPECIFICALLY IN REGARDS TO PRIVATELY OPERATED AIR FIELDS, WHAT THEY CALL PRIVATE AIR FIELDS, WHICH IN OUR CASE WOULD BE A HUB.
UM, BUT THE STATE MAY PREEMPT THAT, BUT THAT'S SOMETHING THAT, OKAY.
NOT ENTIRELY AS OF NOW, BECAUSE IT'S LAND USE, UH, WE CAN REGULATE THAT.
UM, BUT ANYTHING THAT HAS TO DO WITH THE ABILITY FOR THE DRONE TO BE OPERATED WITHIN THAT LAND USE GETS INTO A LITTLE BIT OF A GRAY AREA.
AS SOON AS THE AIR AIRCRAFT LEAVES THE GROUND, UM, THE FAA CLAIMS JURISDICTION ON IT.
UM, WHAT STAFF ARE PROPOSING IS THAT WE, UH, REGULATE THE LOCATION OF LANDING HUBS AND GROUND-BASED FACILITIES SINCE, UM, WE DO, UH, SEEM TO HAVE JURISDICTION OVER, UH, GROUND-BASED FACILITIES AND LAND USE, UH, THROUGH OUR TYPICAL ZONING POWERS.
ONE OF THE THINGS THAT MIGHT BE HELPFUL TO THINK ABOUT IS, UM, ANALOGIES WITH, UM, REGULATING AIRPORTS AND AIRPLANES AND WHAT THEY CAN DO.
THOSE ARE THE ANALOGIES THAT FAA ENCOURAGED US TO DRAW AND TRYING TO UNDERSTAND WHAT OPERATION IS VERSUS WHAT, UM, YOU KNOW, WE CAN REGULATE FOR LAND USE, SO CAN REGULATE AIRPORTS WHERE THEY ARE, THOSE SORTS OF THINGS.
BUT, UM, YOU KNOW, NOT NECESSARILY THE SIZE OF AN AIRPLANE.
THAT'S, THAT'S WHY IT'S IN THE GRAY AREA.
COMMISSIONER KERRY? YEAH, I HAVE A, A FEW QUESTIONS.
UM, I GUESS MY FIRST ONE WOULD BE FOR ERIC, MAYBE.
UM, SIR, YOU SAID THAT YOU'RE REQUIRED TO, OR YOUR COMPANY REQUIRES, UH, VISUAL CONTACT, I THINK YOU SAID THAT, RIGHT? CORRECT.
UM, SO I'VE GOT TWO QUESTIONS IN THAT REGARD, AND ALSO I'D LIKE TO KNOW IF THE OTHER COMPANIES DO THAT, BUT OBVIOUSLY NOT.
UM, HOW FAR IS THAT? AND I GUESS IT WOULD DEPEND ON EXACTLY WHERE YOU'RE OBSERVING FROM.
AND SO HOW FAR IS IT? AND MY SECOND QUESTION TO YOU IS, HOW DO THEY AVOID POWER LINES? CERTAINLY.
SO WHAT WE FOUND, UM, AS FAR AS THE AIRCRAFT IS CONCERNED FROM A FLIGHT PERSPECTIVE IS SIMILAR TO KENDALL'S STATEMENT ABOUT FLYING BETWEEN ZERO AND 400 FEET.
WE'RE IN THAT SAME OPERATING AREA.
UH, OUR AIRCRAFT TYPICALLY FLY AT ABOUT 225 TO 350 FEET, DEPENDING ON THE ENVIRONMENT.
UH, AND AS A RESULT, IT IS EASIER TO SEE THE AIRCRAFT FROM A GREATER DISTANCE WHEN YOU'RE STANDING ON THE GROUND OR EVEN FROM AN ELEVATED POSITION.
SO PART OF WHAT WE BRING FROM AN INFRASTRUCTURE PERSPECTIVE WITH THE HUBS THAT WE BUILD, UH, IS AN ELEVATED POSITION FOR THE PILOT TO MAINTAIN THAT VISUAL LINE OF SIGHT.
UM, WHAT THAT DISTANCE IS GETS TRICKY, UH, BECAUSE PART OF THAT IS, YOU KNOW, THE, THE HUMAN EYEBALL.
SOME PEOPLE HAVE BETTER VISION THAN OTHERS.
UM, WHAT WE'VE SEEN SO FAR IS A MILE, UH, FROM THE POINT OF ORIGIN IS EASY TO SEE WITH THE AIRCRAFT THAT WE PROVIDE.
UM, WE'VE SEEN AND, UH, EXPERIENCED OTHERS THAT CAN SEE THE AIRCRAFT UP TO TWO MILES.
UM, BUT AS FAR AS OUR CURRENT OPERATIONS HERE IN TEXAS, WE'RE LIMITING ALL OF OUR FLIGHTS TO ABOUT A
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MILE.IS THAT DIFFERENT FOR ANY OF THE OTHER COMPANIES HERE? IS THAT ABOUT THE SAME? FROM A FLY TRUCKS PERSPECTIVE, WE'RE UH, PROBABLY PUSHING CLOSER TO TWO MILES.
UH, BUT WE'RE STILL FLYING LINE OF SIGHT.
I THINK, AGAIN, AS MENTIONED, UH, REGULATIONS, THINGS ARE CHANGING.
UH, AT SOME POINT IN THE FUTURE I THINK IT'LL BE DIFFERENT.
BUT AT THIS POINT IN TIME, THAT IS WHAT WE'RE DOING.
VERY SIMILAR OF A IS THAT THE SAME FOR YOU, KENDALL? NO.
WE ACTUALLY HAVE OUR PART 1 35, AND I BELIEVE THEY BOTH MENTIONED THEY HAVE THEIR 1 0 7.
UM, SO THE DIFFERENCE IS WE OPERATE BEYOND VISUAL LINE OF SIGHT AND OUR PILOTS DO SEE EVERYTHING THAT THE AIRCRAFT IS DOING.
UM, YOU'D ALSO MENTIONED A QUESTION ABOUT POWER LINES.
THERE IS A CAMERA ON OUR DRONE, BUT IT IS USED AS BACKUP NAVIGATION.
SO IT'S, WHEN IT'S FLYING, IT'S SAYING THAT'S A BUSH, THAT'S A TREE, THAT'S A HOUSE.
UM, SO THAT'S HOW IT IS ABLE TO COMMUNICATE BACK TO THE PILOT AS WELL.
SO WHAT'S IT GONNA COST ME A ABOVE THE NORMAL IF I JUST DRIVE DOWN TO WHEREVER AND GET THAT ICE CREAM? WHAT I'M CURIOUS ABOUT WHAT THE RELATIVE COST OF THIS IS.
AND I'M, I'M A RETAILER BY TRADE, SO IT'S FASCINATING TO ME.
YOU ARE JUST PAYING THE RETAIL ITEM PRICE BECAUSE WE WANT TO UNDERSTAND HOW THE COMMUNITY INTERACTS WITH OUR DELIVERY SERVICE.
IT WILL NOT ALWAYS BE FREE, BUT IT IS TODAY.
UM, AND THAT'S A, THAT'S A GOOD CURIOSITY QUESTION, BUT IT DOESN'T, LET'S STAY FOCUSED ON YEAH.
UM, YOU SAID YOU'VE HAD 300,000 FLIGHTS.
HOW MANY FAILURES HAVE YOU HAD? YES.
BUT I'M HAPPY TO LOOK TO SEE IF THAT IS NOT THE CASE.
UH, MY GUESS IS YOU'D PROBABLY KNOW OF THEM, WOULDN'T YOU?
WELL, YOU KNOW, I DON'T HAVE ANY MORE QUESTIONS FOR ANYBODY, UH, AT THIS POINT.
I AGREE WITH SOME OF THE COMMISSIONERS OVER HERE.
I MEAN, UH, I THINK WHAT ALL YOU GUYS ARE DOING IS FASCINATING.
I THINK IT'S THE FUTURE AND I THINK PLANO SHOULD AVOID BEING THE STAGECOACH COMPANY WITH THE RAILROADS COMING IN.
SO I, I'M, I'M EXCITED ABOUT IT.
COMMISSIONER TO, YOU'LL FIND THAT WE GO AROUND IN CIRCLES SOMETIME.
I THINK IT'S ALSO FASCINATING AND UH, UH, WOULD LOVE TO SEE MORE APPLICATIONS LIKE THE Z PLANO.
AND, UH, I ACTUALLY HAD THE SAME QUESTION AS, UH, COMMISSIONER KERRY, ABOUT HOW MANY, YOU KNOW, FAILURES YOU HAVE HAD IN THE 300,000 FLIGHTS YOU HAVE HAD.
UM, SO MY QUESTION IS REGARDING, UM, SAFETY.
I ACTUALLY HAD THAT QUESTION EARLIER.
SO I FOUND OUT ALREADY SOMEWHERE THAT, UH, MOST OF THE, UM, CRASHES OR AIRCRAFT HAPPEN AT WHEN THEY'RE TAKING OFF OR LANDING.
SO I JUST WONDER WHAT'S YOUR, UM, SAFETY MEASURES THAT YOU HAVE ARE AROUND WHERE YOU ARE TAKING OFF, LIKE YOUR PATH, WHAT KIND OF REQUIREMENTS YOU HAVE ON YOUR SURROUNDINGS OR YOUR BASES THAT HAVE TO, UH, ENSURE THE SAFETY OF THE TAKING OFF? YEAH, REALLY GOOD QUESTION.
SO FOR US, LIKE I'D MENTIONED, ALL OF THOSE SAFETY REDUNDANCIES THAT ARE ALREADY BUILT INTO OUR AIRCRAFT AND OUR SYSTEMS, NO DIFFERENCE.
THIS IS TRULY SOMETHING THAT OUR ENGINEERS HAVE SPENT ALL THEIR TIME ON TO GET RIGHT.
UM, SO FOR A LITTLE BACKGROUND, WE STARTED IN THE GOOGLE MOONSHOT FACTORY IN 2012 AND WE DIDN'T LAUNCH AN AIRCRAFT INTO THE AIR, UM, COMMERCIALLY UNTIL 2018.
SO THEY DID A LOT OF WORK TO GET THIS RIGHT AND SAFETY AGAIN IS THE HIGHEST PRIORITY FOR US.
SO I THINK THE BIGGEST ANSWER TO YOUR QUESTION IS WHEN THAT DRONE HAS THE, UM, BACKUP NAVIGATION AND IT TRULY IS SAYING, OKAY, HERE'S A SAFE PLACE TO LAND.
HERE'S A SAFE PLACE TO LAND, HERE'S A SAFE PLACE TO LAND, THAT'S NOT A SAFE PLACE TO LAND.
IN THE EVENT THAT THAT WOULD HAPPEN, IT ALREADY HAS THAT KNOWLEDGE AND DATA AND THEN CAN COMMUNICATE BACK TO THE PILOT IN COMMAND TO SAY, HEY, SOMETHING'S NOT RIGHT.
AND THEN WHAT WOULD HAPPEN IS THE DRONE JUST SLOWLY, SLOWLY, SLOWLY, SLOWLY HOVERS DOWN AND IT FINDS THAT GRASSY PATCH OR WHATEVER THE SAFE PLACE IT DICTATED WAS, AND THEN IT LANDS THERE, IT TURNS ITSELF OFF AND IT COMMUNICATES BACK TO THE PILOT AND THEN THEY GO PICK IT UP.
UM, BUT I WANNA REPHRASE MY QUESTION BECAUSE I THINK AS A CITY WE NEED TO BE ABLE TO, UM, KIND OF A REGULATOR OR PASS ORDINANCE ON THE CERTAIN AREAS OR LAND USE FOR LANDING OR TAKING OFF.
SO DO YOU HAVE ANY SPECIFIC REQUIREMENTS ON THE SITE SELECTION FOR THIS USE, UM, TO ENSURE THE SAFETY OF THE TAKING OFF LANDING? I WILL LET TOM TALK ABOUT THIS CUZ HE'S THE ONE THAT HELPS SET UP THE SITE.
UM, SO IN OUR SITES WE HAVE, UH, A FENCE ON ALL FOUR SIDES.
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OR IF, IF WE DIDN'T HAVE A FENCE, IT WOULD BE SOMETHING LIKE A HIGH TREE LINE THAT IS TALLER THAN THE FENCE THAT WE WOULD IMPLEMENT.AND THAT KEEPS US CONTAINED IN THOSE TAKEOFF AND LANDING AREAS.
AND THAT'S REALLY BECAUSE IF YOU LOOK AT THE AIRCRAFT WITH ALL OF THE HOVER PROPELLERS, IT'S TAKING OFF VERTICALLY AND LANDING VERTICALLY.
SO THE, THE SPHERE OF CONCERN IS REALLY WHAT WE CONSIDER A COLUMN.
IT'S NOT, UH, MOVING WILDLY IN ANY DIRECTION OTHER THAN UP AND DOWN.
SOUNDS LIKE YOU DON'T HAVE A LOT OF REQUIREMENTS CUZ EXCEPT FOR THE CLEAR AIRSPACE KIND OF.
BUT, UH,
SO WE DON'T HAVE TO USE GENERATOR OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT.
BUT, UM, AS FAR AS THE AIRSPACE BEING CLEAR IS THE NUMBER ONE PRIORITY.
SECOND QUESTION RELATED TO THAT IS, DO YOU HAVE ANY WEATHER RELATED OR CLIMATE, UM, REQUIREMENTS TO A CERTAIN CITY OR CERTAIN, YOU KNOW, UM, LIKE OPERATION DELIVERY, MAYBE YOU SAY, OKAY, THERE'S A TORNADO TODAY, WE CANCEL THE OPERATION, OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
UH, THEIR COUNTRY SPECIFIC AT THIS MOMENT AND OUR AIRCRAFT IS VERY DURABLE.
IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT WHAT THOSE LIMITATIONS ARE, I, I CAN'T ANSWER THAT.
UM, HAVE IT, HAS IT EVER HAPPENED TO YOU THAT AIRCRAFT, UM, IS MAKING A DELIVERY TO A HOUSEHOLD AND MAYBE THE KIDS GOT CURIOUS OR THE DOG GOT CURIOUS AND IT GOT PICKED UP OR KEPT IT OR DESTROYED? HAS THAT EVER HAPPENED TO YOU? UM, NO, BUT IF YOU WANT TO ANSWER A LITTLE MORE, THE, THE WHAT KENDALL DESCRIBED EARLIER WITH THE TETHER, UM, IF SOMEONE PULLED ON THAT TETHER DURING THE DELIVERY, IT WOULD DETACH.
SO IT'S ACTUALLY NOT TIED TO THE AIRCRAFT, IT'S JUST LONG ENOUGH THAT IT WILL DELIVER TO THE GROUND AND THEN RETRACT.
SO IF SOMEONE CAME UP TO IT AND PULLED IT OFF, UM, WE KEEP THE DRONE, THEY KEEP THE TETHER.
COMMISSIONER BRUNO, LET'S NOT GET CARRIED AWAY GUYS.
UM, ICE CREAM, WHAT A FINE IDEA.
UM, KENDALL, LET ME ASK YOU THIS.
WHAT WOULD STOP A LARGE COMPANY, LET'S SAY CVS OR WALGREENS, SOMEONE BIG ENOUGH TO AFFORD THE, UH, RESEARCH AND DEVELOPMENT COST FROM ESTABLISHING THEIR OWN DELIVERY SERVICE AND NOT COOPERATING WITH, WITH AN INDEPENDENT SUCH AS YOURSELF FOR THE PURPOSE OF DELIVERING, LET'S SAY PRESCRIPTION MEDICATIONS TO THEIR CUSTOMERS? YEAH.
UH, NOTHING'S STOPPING THEM RIGHT NOW.
I THINK THE BIGGEST BARRIER TO THAT IS, UM, CREATING THE AIRCRAFT AND THEN GOING THROUGH THE FA TO GET ALL OF THE WAIVERS AND CERTIFICATES.
AND IT DOESN'T, YOU KNOW, HAPPEN IN A SNAP OF, UH, FINGER.
IT IS A VERY LONG AND STRENUOUS PROCESS.
SO I'M NOT SURE IF ANY OF MY OPERATOR COLLEAGUES HAVE ANYTHING TO ADD ON THAT FRONT, BUT IT IS A VERY, VERY HEAVY PROCESS TO GO THROUGH TO CREATE AN AIR CRAFT THAT IS SAFE.
AND THEN ALSO ONE TO BE CERTIFIED THROUGH THE FA WITH WHAT WE ARE DOING, OR AS AN ALTERNATIVE, THEY COULD JUST SIMPLY BUY AN EXISTING COMPANY.
BUT NONE OF NONE OF THAT IS RELATED TO WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DECIDE HERE.
THAT'S LEADING MY NEXT QUESTION, WHICH IS FOR STAFF.
WELL, THEY WOULD HAVE TO COMPLY WITH WHATEVER WE'RE GONNA DO.
I, REGARDLESS, THAT'S MY, THAT'S MY QUESTION FOR STAFF.
UM, ARE YOUR RECOMMENDATIONS EQUALLY APPLICABLE TO A SITUATION WHERE A RETAILER IS OPERATING THEIR OWN SERVICE AS OPPOSED TO, UH, UH, PARTNERING WITH AN INDEPENDENT SERVICE FOR DELIVERIES? UH, THE SHORT ANSWER WOULD BE YES.
THE, THE INTENT OF THE ORDINANCE IS NOT TO DISCRIMINATE AGAINST, UH, DIFFERENT YEAH.
IT'S TO REGULATE THE USE REGARDLESS OF WHO THE USER IS.
JORDAN, SORRY, WE'RE GETTING LOTS OF EXERCISE TONIGHT.
UM, ONE OF THE QUESTIONS YOU ASK IN YOUR QUESTIONS TO THE COMMISSION IS WHETHER OR NOT, I THINK IT WAS YOUR FIRST QUESTION, WHETHER OR NOT WE SHOULD CREATE A SEPARATE CATEGORY.
AND HAVING BEEN THROUGH A RECENT HEA STOP HELIPAD CASE, UM, IT IS VERY CLEAR TO ME THAT THESE ARE VERY DIFFERENT VEHICLES.
UM, I LIKE YOUR DEFINITION WITH ONE EXCEPTION.
THE DEFINITION ON YOUR PAGE, UH, IT'S PAGE 1 0 6 OF OUR PACKET.
UM, I'M NOT SURE WHAT PAGE OF THE, ARE YOU SPEAKING ABOUT THE DEFINITION OF THE PROPOSED DEFINITION FOR, UH, HE CROSS COMMERCIAL DRONE DELIVERY.
UM, AT THE TOP OF YOUR, IT'S IN YOUR STAFF REPORT.
UM, I HAVE ONE QUESTION ABOUT THAT BECAUSE WHAT YOU SAY IN YOUR DEFINITION IS THAT, IS IT IS
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AN AREA OF LAND CONTAINING ONE OR MORE TAIL OFF CAKE UP AND LANDING AREAS FOR USE BY UNMANNED AIRCRAFT.YOU DON'T USE THE WORD SMALL IN THERE.
SHOULD WE ADD THAT THIS IS FOR THE 55 POUND OR LESS? I WOULD, I DON'T, I WANNA BE VERY CAREFUL ABOUT NOT OPENING THIS DEFINITION UP TO THE, UH, THE, THE AIR TAXI BUSINESS INADVERTENTLY.
SO IF, UM, WE WERE DIRECTED TO PURSUE TWO DEFINITIONS, THEN WE WOULDN'T USE THE SAME DEFINITION THAT'S ON SCREEN FOR BOTH OF THOSE, UH, USES.
ONE OF THEM WOULD BE, UM, LIMITED BY THE 55 POUNDS, WHICH IS THE, UH, F FAA, UM, STANDARD.
WELL, CAUSE CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, BUT IT SEEMS LIKE THE AIR TAXIS WOULD FALL UNDER THE HELIPORT HELLA STOP ALMOST REGARDLESS.
UH, WE JUST NEED TO MODIFY OUR DEFINITION A LITTLE BIT PER YOUR RECOMMENDATION.
SO I THINK I INCLUDED IMAGES OF FOUR, UH, DIFFERENT, UH, AM VEHICLES.
SO THE ONE ON THE BOTTOM OF THE SCREEN HERE, YOU CAN SEE THAT IT HAS THE, UH, THE FOUR PODS.
THIS ONE WOULD BE, UM, A ROTARY WING, BUT THOSE ROTORS TILT, SO IT'S NOT CONSIDERED A HELICOPTER.
SAME WITH THE THREE ON THIS PAGE.
THEY ARE ALL, WELL, THE TOP TWO HAVE ROTARY WINGS, BUT THEY TILT SO THEY AREN'T CONSIDERED HELICOPTERS.
THEY'RE ROTARY WING OR TILT ROTORS.
UM, THE ONE ON THE BOTTOM IS A FUNNY ONE.
IT ACTUALLY, I BELIEVE HAS A MICRO JET SYSTEM.
AND, AND AS MUCH AS I, A LOT OF, I, AS MUCH AS I'M LOOKING FORWARD TO THOSE, I THINK THOSE ARE FIVE OR 10 YEARS IN OUR FUTURE.
I HOPE THEY'RE NOT, BUT I THINK THEY PROBABLY ARE.
BUT THE DRONES ARE HERE TODAY.
AND SO I, I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT IF WE ARE GOING TO DESIGNATE COMMERCIAL DRONE DELIVERY HUBS THAT WE'RE REAL CLEAR THAT THAT'S THE 55 POUND MINUS SIZE VEHICLES OR AIR OR WHATEVER WE'RE GONNA CALL 'EM AIRCRAFT.
UM, AND IF WE DO, THEN I, I, I BELIEVE WE NEED THAT SEPARATE DEFINITION SO THAT WE CAN OPEN THE DOORS TO THIS BUSINESS MODEL WITHOUT WORRYING ABOUT THOSE LARGER AIRCRAFT JUMPING THROUGH A LOOPHOLE.
BECAUSE WE HAVEN'T SPECIFICALLY DEFINE THE SMALL 55 POUND OR LESS IS WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT.
AND SO, AND TO REITERATE THIS, SO THE 55 POUNDS THAT COMES FROM THE CURRENT, UH, PART 1 0 7, UM, THAT THE FAA HAS, DEPENDING ON WHAT GOES ON IN THE HOUSE AND IN THE SENATE AND WITH, UH, THE FAA REAUTHORIZATION THIS YEAR, PART 1 0 7 COULD CHANGE.
UM, I DID MENTION THAT GENERALLY 55 POUNDS IS THE SIZE OF THESE DELIVERY DRONES.
UH, THEIR DRONE IS ABOUT 88 POUNDS.
UM, THE SPECS FOR THAT ARE IN ONE OF THE ATTACHMENTS TO THE, UM, FORM.
THAT'S, THAT'S AN INTERESTING POINT.
SO MAYBE SO SHOULDN'T IT, SHOULDN'T OUR CLASSIFICATION THEN REFERENCE THE FEDERAL STANDARD AS OPPOSED TO US HAVING OUR OWN DEFINITION? WOULD IT BE EASIER FOR Y'ALL TO ENFORCE THAT ANYTHING THAT FALLS UNDER THE PART 1 0 7 IS CONSIDERED A DRONE AND ANYTHING THAT DOESN'T FALL WITHIN 1 0 7 IS CONSIDERED NOT A DRONE.
SO ABOVE 55, IT'S STILL CONSIDERED A DRONE.
IT'S JUST NOT, UM, THE S U I S, THE SMALL UNMANNED AIRCRAFT SYSTEM, UM, UNMANNED AIRCRAFT SYSTEMS TAKE A WIDE, WIDE RANGE OF SIZES.
THINK OF THE, UM, FOR INSTANCE, THE MILITARY, THE PREDATOR DRONE.
UM, THERE'S ALSO A COMPANY THAT TO WORKING ON LIKE FULL SCALE AUTONOMOUS CARGO AIRCRAFT, UM, THAT ARE THE SIZE OF A CONVENTIONAL AIRCRAFT, BUT THEY DO NOT HAVE A PILOT.
SO IT BECOMES TRICKY WHERE GOOD POINT.
YOU DRAW THE LINE FOR SIZE 55 IS ALREADY VERY CLEARLY THERE IN PART 1 0 7.
SO THAT'S AN EASY, UM, DISTINCTION.
BEYOND THAT, IT STARTS TO GET DIFFICULT, ESPECIALLY AS TECHNOLOGY CHANGES AND ADVANCES, BUT NO OFFENSE TO PRESENT COMPANY IN THE ROOM.
BUT I SURE WOULDN'T WANNA PRECLUDE AMAZON FROM BEING ABLE TO DELIVER BY DRONE IF THERE THERE'S IS 10 POUNDS OVER THE LIMIT.
SO, UM, I GUESS THAT'S WAY BEYOND THE CHALLENGE OF THIS COMMISSION, BUT I WOULD CHALLENGE THE STAFF TO MAKE SURE THAT WE DON'T WRITE THAT TOO STRICT, BUT WE WRITE IT STRICT ENOUGH.
SO, UH, AND I'LL TRUST YOU TO KNOW HOW TO DO THAT.
JORDAN, CAN YOU GO BACK TO THE SLIDE THAT HAS ALL THE RED SOMEWHERE AROUND 80, I THINK? UH, THE RED WHITE, THE RED ON THE MAP.
THAT ONE, THAT IS WHERE STAFF IS RECOMMEND.
SO RECOMMENDED LAND USE PERMISSIONS FOR COMMERCIAL, THAT'S WHERE STAFF IS RECOMMENDING WE ALLOW ALL THESE TO TAKE OFF TO AND FROM.
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IN, IN RED, THE, THE LAND USES THAT ARE HIGHLIGHTED IN THE STAFF REPORT.SO THOSE DIFFERENT RETAIL TYPE USES SUCH AS A RETAIL STORE, UM, A SUPERSTORE, A SHOPPING CENTER, A RESTAURANT, UM, THAT'S WHERE THOSE USES ARE ALREADY PERMITTED BY RIGHT.
AND WE'RE RECOMMENDING THAT, UH, DRONE DELIVERY HUBS BE PERMITTED ACCESSORY TO THOSE TYPES OF USES.
SO THAT'S, YOU KNOW, YOUR RETAIL DISTRICT, UM, THE CE DISTRICT, YOU KNOW.
AND STAFF IS RECOMMENDING A 5% LIMITATION AS A, AS AN ACCESSORY USE, IS THAT RIGHT? UH, YES.
5% OF THE TOTAL AREA OF THE SITE IF LOCATED AT GRADE.
UM, AND THEN NO RESTRICTION IF IT'S LOCATED ON THE ROOF OF THE PRINCIPLE BUILDING.
AND SO I WOULD LIKE TO TALK WITH THE PRESENTERS HERE.
DO YOU Y'ALL WANNA BE ON THE ROOF OR DO YOU WANNA BE ON THE GROUND? WE'RE HAPPY TO GO WHEREVER YOU'RE GONNA LET US GO.
UM, WE DO HAVE A ROOFTOP FACILITY IN AUSTRALIA.
THAT'S THE FIRST AND ONLY ONE WE HAVE.
WE JUST HAVEN'T DONE IT HERE YET.
SO IT REALLY JUST DEPENDS WHAT THE ORDINANCE IS GOING TO ALLOW.
I MEAN, THE ROOF SEEMS LIKE THE OBVIOUS SITE OR SPOT FOR THE LINE OF SIGHT, BUT THERE'S ONLY ONE IN AUSTRALIA THAT DOESN'T SEEM REAL ENCOURAGING.
WE JUST LAUNCHED IT LIKE MAYBE SIX OR EIGHT MONTHS AGO AND IT'S ON THE TOP OF A MALL.
SO IT ALLOWS US TO HAVE MULTIPLE RETAILERS.
DO YOU WANNA ANSWER FROM A FLIGHT PRICE PERSPECTIVE? I THINK WE'RE OKAY WITH EITHER, EITHER ON THE ROOF OR ON THE GROUND.
OUR, OUR FACILITIES NOW ARE ON THE GROUND.
WE HAVE LOOKED AT ROOFTOP LOCATIONS, BUT I THINK HAVING THE OPTION WOULD BE WHAT I'D RECOMMEND FROM, FROM OUR PERSPECTIVE.
AND YOU HAD MENTIONED A 70 BY 70 LOCATION, WHICH IS 400 OR 4,900 SQUARE FEET.
WHICH IS MORE THAN 10% OF EVEN AN ACRE SITE.
AND SO, AND I'M GUESSING THAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT A STANDALONE, NOT AN ACCESSORY USE.
AND THAT WOULD BE IN THE PURPLE AREA, JORDAN? CORRECT.
AND SO ARE QUESTION FOR STAFF, WE'RE GONNA HAVE A DIFFERENT, UM, SET OF RULES FOR THE L I ONE AND L I TWO VERSUS THE ACCESSORY USE TO A DEGREE.
UM, WE COULD APPLY THE, LIKE, THE SAME, UM, SETBACK REQUIREMENTS FOR BOTH AN ACCESSORY USE AND A PRIMARY USE.
SO REGARDLESS OF IF, UM, THE TAKEOFF AND LANDING SITE IS ASSOCIATED WITH A RESTAURANT OR IS THE ONLY USE ON THE PROPERTY, IT WOULD STILL REQUIRE THE SAME STEP BACK TO SENSITIVE USES.
UM, THE LOT COVERAGE IS THE ONE THAT WOULD BE DIFFERENT.
SO AS AN ACCESSORY USE, WE'RE PROPOSING TO LIMIT IT TO 5% OF THE SITE.
WHEREAS IF IT'S A PRIMARY USE, THERE'S NOT AS MUCH OF A CONCERN OF IT TAKING OVER THE SITE.
NOW I HAVE A QUESTION FOR THE TWO APPLICANTS.
KENDALL, YOU ANSWERED EARLIER THAT YOUR SERVICE IS FREE.
CAN Y'ALL COME UP? ARE, ARE Y'ALL SERVICES ALSO FREE? WE RUN INCENTIVES IN SOME LOCATIONS THAT CERTAIN ITEMS ARE FREE AND OTHERS THERE ARE CHARGE.
I THINK YOU'LL FIND THOUGH, THAT FROM A BUSINESS PERSPECTIVE, I DON'T WANNA GET TOO FAR OFF TOPIC, BUT IT'S VERY COMPETITIVE WITH THE OTHER MODELS, THE TRADITIONAL UBER EAT STYLE MODELS BECAUSE OF, UH, ONE, I MEAN IT'S, IT'S A DRONE VERSUS A CAR LABOR, A NUMBER OF DIFFERENT THINGS THERE.
BUT, UH, RIGHT NOW WE'RE, WE'RE FLYING A COMBINATION KIND OF A, A BLEND OF THE TWO.
AND SO IF YOU HAD A STANDALONE SITE, THERE'S NO PRODUCT THERE.
SOMEONE HAS TO DELIVER THE PRODUCT TO THE SITE AND THEN IT HAS TO GET IN THE DRONE.
SO WHEN WE'RE ON STANDALONE SITE, AGAIN, WE'RE, WE'RE LOCATED VERY CLOSE TO RETAIL.
AGAIN, THE HOLLY SPRING SITE THAT I MENTIONED IS, IS LITERALLY AT, THIS IS THE SHOPPING CENTER.
THIS IS, IT'S JUST NEXT DOOR SITE.
IT'S PROBABLY ABOUT A, I'M GONNA SAY A 12,000 SQUARE FOOT LOT.
THAT'S A SEPARATE LOT FROM, AND AGAIN, IT'S ZONE, IT'S OWNED RETAIL, NOT INDUSTRIAL, BUT IT'S, IT'S A SEPARATE STANDALONE SITE.
AND WE OPERATE IN SITUATIONS LIKE THAT AS WELL.
SO THAT WOULDN'T, THAT DOESN'T WORK.
WHERE WELL, IF WE'RE JUST GONNA TALK ABOUT DOING THE STANDALONE SITES IN THE L I ONE ANDI, THE PURPLE AREA ON THE MAP, THAT'S A VERY SPECIFIC PART OF THE CITY.
WE'RE GONNA NOT BE ABLE TO SERVE A LOT OF THE CITY.
YOU MEAN AS A STANDALONE SITE? YEAH, I, I ARE THE STAND CLARIFICATION FOR ME, I BELIEVE THE, ARE THE STANDALONE SITES, THE LIGHT PURPLE COLOR, ARE THOSE WHITE INDUSTRIAL ZONING CLASSIFICATIONS OR DOES THAT INCLUDE COMMERCIAL AS WELL? IT INCLUDES COMMERCIAL RETAIL.
SO IT DOES INCLUDE SOME COMMERCIAL AREAS.
SO THE, UH, THE TWO, UH, AT THE BOTTOM OF THE SCREEN, THOSE ARE IN OUR I ONE AND I TWO DISTRICTS.
SO LIGHT INDUSTRIAL, THE CLUMP AT THE TOP OF THE SCREEN, THAT IS THE, UM, COMMERCIAL EMPLOYMENT EMPLOYMENT.
SO THAT'S OUR LEGACY WEST AREA OF THE CITY.
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THE RED'S ALL THE RETAIL.WELL, AGAIN, WE, WE COULD WRITE AN ORDINANCE THAT HAS SOME FLEXIBILITY TO IT.
I'M JUST, THEY, THERE WAS A REFERENCE ALL, I GUESS I'M JUST, WHEN WE HAVE CONVERSATION HERE, I'M DONE WITH THE QUESTIONS.
THAT'S WHAT I OWE MORE THAN 10.
IT'S STILL MORE THAN 10% OF AN ACRE.
SO THERE'S NO MORE QUESTIONS UP THERE.
CAUSE I ACTUALLY HAVE A COUPLE OH, BUT I'VE BEEN LETTING YOU OH, DO YOU WANNA GO FIRST? NO, GO AHEAD.
THAT JUST TRIGGERED MY QUESTION ABOUT 5%.
I UNDERSTAND THAT WE WERE PROPOSING 5% OF THE USE.
I HAVE QUESTION, UH, TO, UH, YOU, YOU KNOW, UM, I KNOW CURRENTLY YOU HAVE A SITE IN, UH, FRISCO OR, OR, UH, LITTLE FRISCO AND LITTLE EL UH, FOR THE WALGREENS, CUZ I KNOW USUALLY WALGREEN IS A STANDALONE BUILDING, HAS ITS OWN PADS.
IT'S A KIND OF A NOT VERY LARGE, MAYBE AN ACRE ISH PLUS MINUS THERE.
AND THEN YOU HAVE A ROLL OF PADS THERE.
DO YOU KNOW YOUR AREA, UH, IN THAT UH, LITTLE SITE? HOW MUCH, HOW MANY SQUARE FEET DO YOU HAVE? UH, SO THAT SITE IS OUR SMALLEST SITE.
UH, HERE'S THE PICTURE ON THE RIGHT AND IT ALLOWS UP TO SIX PADS.
DO YOU KNOW THE SQUARE FOOTAGE OFF THE TOP OF YOUR HEAD? I WAS JUST WONDERING IF THAT'S LIKE MORE THAN 5% OF THE SEC.
IS THAT I'M THINKING THE WALGREENS SIDE IS VERY SMALL.
I WOULD HAVE TO GET BACK TO YOU.
I JUST DON'T KNOW THE ANSWER TO THAT.
WHAT THE PERCENTAGE OF THAT USE OF, UM, SPACES ON THE WALGREENS.
BUT THAT DOES TOUCH ON ONE OF THE QUESTIONS I WAS GONNA ASK, IS THAT EXACT PICTURE, BECAUSE YOU'RE TAKING UP PARKING SPACES.
AND ONE OF THE PROPOSED RECOMMENDATIONS IS NOT ALLOWED IN REQUIRED PARKING.
SO YOU'D HAVE TO FIND A RETAIL PLACE TO HAD MORE THAN THE REQUIRED AMOUNT OF PARKING IN ORDER FOR YOU TO USE THAT.
SO IF WE'RE WRITING THAT IN INTO OUR DEFINITIONS, WE HAVE TO CONSIDER ARE WE ESSENTIALLY ELIMINATING ANY RETAIL SPOTS? BECAUSE MOST PEOPLE AREN'T TRYING TO OVER PARKING.
YOU KNOW, THEY DON'T WANT TO HAVE MORE PARKING THAN THEY NEED.
SO IF WE'RE NOT CREATING A PLACE FOR THEM TO HAVE THIS BECAUSE WE'RE ELIMINATING REQUIRED PARKING, WHERE ARE YOU GONNA LOCATE? THAT WAS A CHALLENGE WITH THIS SITE.
WE WERE ORIGINALLY GOING TO BE ON THE BACK SIDE.
YOU CAN KIND OF TELL RIGHT ON THE UPPER RIGHT HAND SIDE OF THE DRIVE-THROUGH IN THAT IMAGE THAT'S THE BACK OF THE STORE.
BUT WE FOUND IT MORE CHALLENGING FOR THE PEOPLE WHO WERE GOING TO BE LOADING THE DRONES.
AND THAT WAS MORE OF A SAFETY ISSUE FOR THEM TO GET AROUND THE BUILDING.
THEY'D HAVE TO WALK THROUGH THE DRIVE-THROUGH AREA, ET CETERA.
SO WE WOUND UP TAKING UP THESE SPOTS AND YES, EXACTLY TO YOUR POINT, LITTLE ELM DOES HAVE A TOWN ORDINANCE WHERE THEY REQUIRE A CERTAIN NUMBER OF PARKING SPACES AND WE WERE ABLE TO FIT OUR NEST LIKE PERFECTLY INTO WHAT THEY STILL HAD ALLOCATED.
SO IT WAS A VERY GOOD SITUATION, BUT I ABSOLUTELY UNDERSTAND WHERE YOU'RE COMING FROM WITH THAT.
UM, THE LAST QUESTION I'LL HAVE FOR YOU, BECAUSE I THINK WE'RE DONE AND I WANT YOU GUYS TO FEEL FREE TO LEAVE, BUT OBVIOUSLY YOU'RE GONNA WANNA HEAR WHAT WE'RE PROBABLY GONNA DISCUSS.
UM, RECREATIONAL DRONE PILOTS, THERE'S A LOT OF PEOPLE THAT HAVE DRONES, SMALL RECREATION DRONES.
AND GUESS WHAT, THEY CAN FLY UP TO 400 FEET AS WELL.
UM, I POP MY DRONE UP IN THE AIR 200 FEET CUZ I WANNA TAKE A PICTURE OF MY HOUSE WITH THE BACKYARD AND ALL THE NEW LANDSCAPING AND STUFF.
IS YOUR EQUIPMENT ABLE TO SPOT MY DRONE AND KNOW, HEY, THERE'S ANOTHER DRONE IN IN MY FLIGHT PATH.
IS THAT GONNA HAPPEN? IS THAT A PROBLEM? UH, IT GETS BACK TO THAT CROWDED AIRSPACE A LITTLE BIT.
YOU HAVE A EYESIGHT, SOMEBODY ELSE, THEY POP THEIR DRONE UP AND HEY, THEY WANNA SEE THEIR NEIGHBOR'S NEW POOL, THEY FLY OVER IT.
I I'M JUST SAYING, DOES YOUR EQUIPMENT ALSO IDENTIFY AT THIS POINT IN TIME THOSE TYPES OF RANDOM OBJECTS? SINCE MY EXPERT HERE IS HERE, HE CAN ANSWER THIS
I, THAT, THAT DOES GO BACK TO THE EARLIER POINTS ON REMOTE ID.
UM, WE ALSO PUBLISH NOTAMS NOTICE TO AIRMEN THAT OF WHERE WE'RE OPERATING AND IN THAT VICINITY AND, AND HOW HIGH SO SURFACE TO WHATEVER LEVEL THAT WE OPERATE IN THAT AREA.
AND SO YOU AS A I DO YOU HAVE YOUR PART 1 0 7 LICENSE? I DO NOT.
OH, WELL, I'M, YOU KNOW, MANY REASONS TO GET IT.
AND YOUR, YOUR DRONE WOULD PROBABLY JUST TAKE MINE OUT, WOULDN'T BE A PROBLEM.
WELL, YOU KNOW, BUT SOMEBODY MIGHT LOSE THEIR ICE CREAM OR CHICKEN.
SO I'M PART OF OUR DESIGN OF THE STYROFOAM IS TO BE VERY FRANGIBLE.
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WERE EVER TO HIT ANYTHING, IT'S, UH, WE, WE INTEND TO LOSE THE BATTLE ACTUALLY.UM, BUT YOU COULD FLY ABOVE THAT PUBLISHED NOT DAM ALTITUDE AND YOU WOULD NOT BE YEAH.
YOU KNOW, IN THIS SAME AREA AS US, WE ALSO HAVE A CONSUMER APP CALLED OPEN SKY THAT YOU CAN PUBLISH WHERE YOU INTEND TO FLY.
AND THAT COMMUNICATES TO US, AND THAT SHOULD SHOW UP IN THE FIRMWARE UPDATES WHEN YOU UPDATE YOUR CONTROLLER AND STUFF ON, ON, ON YOUR END.
YOU SHOULD BE ABLE TO, WE'LL GET YOU, YEAH.
IT SHOULD BE FLAGGING YOU TO CHECK NOTUMS AND, AND THINGS OF THAT NATURE.
AND THEN TO TOM'S POINT TOO, WE DO A TON OF OUTREACH TO, UH, LAW ENFORCEMENT HELICOPTERS, FLIGHT FOR LIGHTS, THINGS LIKE THAT AS WELL.
SO THEY CAN CALL US AND SAY, HEY, WE NEED TO PUT UP A TEMPORARY FLIGHT RESTRICTION.
FOR EXAMPLE, THERE'S A HELICOPTER COMING INTO BAYLOR THAT'S RIGHT OUTSIDE OF OUR FACILITY AT FRISCO.
UM, THEY GET THE PHONE CALL AND THEY DRAW A CIRCLE AROUND SO THE DRONES KNOW, DO NOT GO OVER THERE RIGHT NOW.
UM, AND ANOTHER GREAT EXAMPLE OF THIS IS WE DID AN OUTREACH OPPORTUNITY RIGHT BEFORE WE LAUNCHED AND THERE'S A HOT AIR BALLOON TEAM THAT TAKES OFF LIKE OVER, UM, BY MCCORD PARK IN LITTLE ELM.
THEY'RE LIKE, HEY, HAPPY TO KNOW YOU.
WE DON'T HAVE D DSV ON OUR AIRCRAFT.
SO THEY JUST GIVE OUR CHIEF PILOT A CALL SAYING, HEY, WE'RE GONNA BE DOING THIS MANY FLIGHTS THIS DAY.
JUST WANTED TO GIVE YOU A HEADS UP.
SO WE DO HAVE A LOT OF THOSE COMMUNICATIONS ALREADY IN PLACE, BELIEVE IT OR NOT.
WELL, IT, IT'S, THE DRONE COMMUNITY COMMUNICATES WITH EACH OTHER.
AND A LOT OF CASES WE'RE ON THE SAME SIDE OF THE LAWSUITS THAT ARE GOING ON AT THE FEDERAL LEVEL AND EVERYTHING ELSE.
SO, UM, I GUESS I, I, I WOULD, UH, I WOULD ECHO WHAT'S BEEN SAID IN TERMS OF W WE NEED SOME REGULATION, WE NEED SOME INFORMATION FOR YOUR BENEFIT AS WELL AS OURS.
BUT IT'S VERY IMPORTANT THAT WE HAVE YOUR INPUT AS WE GO THROUGH THIS.
UH, TONIGHT IS, AGAIN, INFORMATION GATHERING.
OUR INTENTION WOULD BE TO CALL A PUBLIC HEARING.
WE WOULD HAVE PROBABLY A MORE DEFINED DOCUMENT AND REGULATION, UH, OR ORDINANCE INFORMATION FROM STAFF.
AND WE WOULD HAVE INPUT FROM THE PUBLIC AT THAT POINT, WHICH MIGHT BE A MUCH MORE INTERESTING MEANING THAN, THAN THIS.
WE'LL SEE, I KNOW SOME PEOPLE ARE AFRAID OF CHANGE.
UM, BUT I, I DO HAVE SOME CONCERNS.
AND IT IS, AGAIN, AS I POINTED OUT HERE, THAT WE'RE USING PARKING SPACES, BUT WE'VE WRITTEN OURS THAT MIGHT RESTRICT YOU GUYS DRAMATICALLY AS TO WHERE YOU CAN OPERATE.
SO I THINK WE HAVE TO KEEP THOSE THINGS IN MIND.
UM, AND, AND MAINLY I JUST WANNA THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE TONIGHT.
I THINK EVERYONE HERE APPRECIATES YOU COMING, SPENDING THE TIME.
UM, AND WE NEED THAT IN ORDER TO RIDE SMART, SMART ORDINANCE.
WE'VE GOT ONE MORE QUESTION, MR. BRONSKI.
UH, WELL YOUR QUESTION ON DRONES, UH, SPARKED THE THOUGHT.
SO, UM, UH, WE HAVE A LOT OF BIRDS, UH, THAT LIKE TO LAND IN CERTAIN AREAS OF OUR CITY, UH, PARKER AND, OR I GUESS 15TH AND CUSTER, CUSTER, FOR EXAMPLE, PARK.
BUT, UH, SO YOU'RE IN THESE COMMERCIAL AREAS AND, UM, FLOCKS OF BIRDS ARE FLYING THROUGH WHILE YOU'RE TRYING.
HOW DOES YOUR SYSTEM NAVIGATE AROUND, UH, FLOCKS OF BIRDS MOVING ACROSS SOME OF YOUR SERVICE AREAS, ESPECIALLY WHERE YOUR TAKEOFFS AND LANDINGS ARE? YEAH, I'LL ANSWER FOR WING.
UM, BUT WE FIND THAT WE DON'T REALLY HAVE AN ISSUE WITH BIRDS JUST BECAUSE OUR AIRCRAFT IS SO MUCH LARGER.
WE ALSO DID AN ANALYSIS IN FRISCO AND LITTLE ELM, UM, TO, IT WAS BASICALLY AN ENVIRONMENTAL STUDY TO UNDERSTAND WERE THERE ANY LIVE RAPTOR NESTS IN THE AREA, BALD EAGLE NEST, WHAT'S THE MATING SEASON, ET CETERA.
BECAUSE IF THEY DID FALL WITHIN OUR SERVICE AREA IN THAT MATING SEASON, WE WOULD JUST PUT UP A FLIGHT RESTRICTION AROUND THERE BECAUSE WE TAKE THAT VERY SERIOUSLY.
UM, I WILL INVITE YOU TO LOOK ON OUR YOUTUBE CHANNEL.
YOU CAN FIND THIS WIDELY, UM, UH, RAPTOR, I BELIEVE IT WAS A, WHAT'S THE BIRD? A RAVEN, A RAVEN IN AUSTRALIA DID HOOK ONTO THE BACK OF OUR AIRCRAFT.
IT WAS DURING MATING SEASON, AND WE DID NOT KNOW THAT.
AND OUR AIRCRAFT WAS ABOUT, UH, AT THE 20 FEET READY TO DROP THE PACKAGE.
SO OF COURSE, THIS IS ON FILM AND NOW ON YOUTUBE.
AND, UM, IT REALLY JUST SHAKES THE BACK OF OUR DRONE INCREDIBLY VIOLENTLY.
OUR DRONE OPERATES EXACTLY AS IT SHOULD.
IT STAYS IN THE HOVER, THE DRONE GOES AWAY, OR EXCUSE ME, THE BIRD GOES AWAY.
THE DRONE DROPS THE PACKAGE SAFELY, IT COMES BACK TO US.
OF COURSE, WE STUDY THE HECK OUT OF THAT AIRCRAFT.
WE'RE LIKE, WHAT'S GOING ON? AND EVERYTHING WAS GREAT.
SO WE HAD OUR BIRD PEOPLE IN AUSTRALIA, UM, UNDERSTAND WHAT'S GOING ON IS THAT MATING SEASON? AND IT WAS SO FOR TWO WEEKS AND I CAN'T REMEMBER THE EXACT TWO WEEK SPAN, BUT WE WILL SHUT DOWN OPERATIONS IN THAT AREA FOR THAT REASON.
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DO YOU HAVE CERTAIN WEATHER CONDITIONS THAT YOU WILL AND WILL NOT DELIVER IN? YES.UM, WE DO HAVE A WIND CAPACITY.
UM, I DON'T KNOW WHAT THAT IS OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD.
ARE THERE, ARE THERE ANY SPECIFIC LIMITATIONS THAT YOU'RE INTERESTED IN? NO, I JUST, UH, I WAS WRAPPING UP MY LAST QUESTION AND I JUST HAPPENED TO HAVE WRITTEN DOWN WEATHER CONDITIONS AND I WAS JUST CURIOUS WHAT, YOU KNOW, STORMS HEAVY RAINS.
UH, MOST INTERESTINGLY, WE CAN FLY IN UP TO MODERATE RAIN.
I, I DEFINITELY THINK WE NEED TO BE AT THE FRONT OF THIS.
I THINK WE NEED TO BE, UH, DEVELOPING, UH, SOME STANDARDS THAT ARE WELCOMING FOR THIS BECAUSE I WOULD RATHER HAVE US TO BE ABLE TO BE IN CONTROL OF IT RATHER THAN, AS MR. CAREY SAID, BEING, UH, A STAGECOACH LOCATION, UH, AND HAVING IT BEING DONE TO US.
UM, LET'S CIRCLE BACK, JORDAN NOW TO YOUR QUESTIONS AND SEE WHERE WE WANT TO GO FROM HERE.
SO I, UH, JUST, I'M GONNA START OFF WITH, I, I THOUGHT MR. RATLIFF BROUGHT UP A, A GOOD POINT ABOUT, AND, AND IT'S BEEN MENTIONED MULTIPLE TIMES ABOUT THE INDUSTRIES CHANGING FAIRLY QUICKLY AND, AND WE DON'T KNOW WHAT STATE, FEDERAL OR FAA REGULATION'S GONNA COME DOWN THE PIKE NEXT MONTH OR EVEN THREE MONTHS FROM NOW.
SO WHATEVER WE WRITE NEEDS TO BE FLEXIBLE AND WE HAVE TO KNOW THAT WE'RE JUST SETTING SOME BASIC GROUND RULES TO START WITH THAT GIVES, IS PRETTY OPEN, I THINK, AND, AND GIVES US AN OPPORTUNITY TO BEGIN THE EXPERIENCE.
SO, UM, I DON'T KNOW THE BEST WAY TO DEFINE THIS TO HIS POINT, WE DON'T WANT TO EXCLUDE AMAZON FROM OPERATING HERE.
SO HOWEVER WE WRITE THIS LANGUAGE NEEDS TO BE CLEAR THAT WHATEVER DEFINITION WE USE, IT ALLOWS, YOU KNOW, SOME FLEXIBILITY IN, IN WHO CAN OPERATE HERE.
SO I DON'T KNOW THE BEST WAY TO DO THAT.
I DON'T KNOW THAT WE SHOULD CRAFT THAT LANGUAGE, BUT LET'S JUST STARTING WITH THAT, SHOULD WE TRY TO CREATE SOMETHING THAT JUST DEFINES THIS SMALL OPERATION, LET'S CALL IT NOT SMALL DRONES, BUT SMALL OPERATIONS.
AND I DON'T KNOW, MAYBE YOU HAVE A SUGGESTION ALREADY.
YEAH, I THINK WHAT, UH, STAFF WERE KIND OF LEANING TOWARDS WAS IF WE DO HAVE A, UH, SMALL ONLINE AIRCRAFT DELIVERY HUB, THEN WE WOULD APPLY THE MOST PERMISSIVE, UM, RESTRICTIONS TO THAT.
SO FOR INSTANCE, THAT 150 FOOT SETBACK, UM, AND PERHAPS NOT REQUIRING S U P WHEREAS FOR THE ANYTHING THAT'S ABOVE 55, THAT'S WHERE WE MIGHT WANT TO START REQUIRING AN S U P OR HAVE A LARGER SETBACK, UM, TO SENSITIVE USES.
SINCE A LARGER AIRCRAFT IS TYPICALLY GOING TO BE GENERATING MORE OF ANY SENSE THAN THE UNDER 55.
UM, WAS IT YOU THAT MENTIONED THE AMAZON, SO DID STAFF LOOK INTO, ARE YOU FAMILIAR WITH THE AMAZON DRONES THAT ARE 88 POUNDS OR I THINK YOU MENTIONED IT, RIGHT? SO, SO WHAT DO WE KNOW ABOUT THAT? YEAH, SO, UM, THERE'S MY STAFF REPORT.
IT'S IN ONE OF THE ATTACHMENTS.
THERE'S A PHOTO OF THEIR DRONE, UM, AS WELL AS SOME OF THE KEY STATISTICS.
SO FOR INSTANCE, IT'S 91 AND A HALF POUNDS TAKEOFF WEIGHT.
UM, AND THEN WITHIN THE STAFF REPORT ITSELF, THERE'S UM, THE NOISE DATA.
SO IT'S THE LARGEST OF THE DRONES, UH, THAT STAFF LOOKED AT.
AND IT IS OF COURSE THE NOISIEST OF THE DRONES THAT WE LOOKED AT.
SO, AND MAYBE I'M MISSING IT THEN, CAUSE I'M LOOKING AT THE DECIBEL LEVELS BASED ON DISTANCE, BUT IT DOESN'T NECESSARILY SAY WHICH DRONE THAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT.
AND DID YOU JUST SAY THAT THE 88 POUND DRONE HAS A PAYLOAD CAPACITY OF FIVE POUNDS? CORRECT.
IT HAS A LOWER CAPACITY THAN SOME OF THE OTHER, UM, DRONES THAT ARE USED IN TEXAS.
WELL I I'M, I'M, I'M OPEN TO FEEDBACK HERE, BUT I, I DON'T WANT TO SAY, WELL, IT'S 55 OR ABOVE, AND THEN ABOVE THAT WE'VE GOTTA GO THROUGH AN S U P PROCESS.
I, I DON'T KNOW HOW YOU GO ABOUT DEFINING THAT, BUT, UH, MS. YOU NO, I'VE GOT SOMETHING.
UH, COMMISSIONER TO YOU, YOU WANT TO COMMENT? UM, I HAVE A QUESTION REGARDING THE CHOICE NUMBER A, AS AN APPLE, I GUESS IF WE HAVE, OR IF I HAD A SEPARATE LAND USE, BECAUSE I THINK RIGHT NOW ALL OUR LAND IN PLANO IS PRETTY MUCH ALREADY HAS ITS OWN KIND OF A ZONING OR ZONE, UM,
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CLASSIFICATION.UH, IF YOU WOULD, IF WE HAVE A, IF WE DESIGNATE A SEPARATE LAND USE, SO FOR EVERY PIECE OF LAND THAT WE WANT TO USE IT FOR THIS PARTICULAR USE, WE'LL HAVE TO DO A REZONE.
SO WE'RE SUGGESTING THAT THE, THE USE BE ADDED TO THE LAND USE TABLES IN, UM, IN THE CASE OF AN AS ACCESSORY TO A RETAIL USE TO EVERY SINGLE ZONING DISTRICT WHERE THOSE RETAIL USES ARE ALREADY PERMITTED.
AND THEN AS WELL AS TO EVERY SINGLE DISTRICT WHERE A WAREHOUSE USE IS ALREADY PERMITTED.
SO WE WOULDN'T HAVE TO GO THROUGH A ZONING CHANGE, UM, UNLESS THE COMMISSION DIRECTED US TO REQUIRE A, UH, SPECIFIC USE PERMIT, THEN IT WOULD BE A, UH, ZONING REQUEST FOR THAT S UT OKAY, GOT YOU.
SO WHICH WAY WOULD BE EASIER FOR, AS OF, UH, THE STAFF'S LIKE WORKLOAD PROCESS OR ALSO OUR APPROVAL PROCESS, HAVING AN S U P OR HAVING A SEPARATE LAND USE? SO BY HAVING, UM, UH, IF WE WERE, UM, IN QUESTION A TO HAVE TWO LAND USES, AND THERE WAS ONE THAT WAS FOR SMALL AIRCRAFT, UM, THAT DID NOT REQUIRE AN S U P, MOST OF THE EXISTING PROVIDERS TODAY OPERATE AN AIRCRAFT THAT ARE BELOW 55 POUNDS.
SO THEY WOULD BE ABLE TO, UM, JUST GO THROUGH A SITE PLAN PROCESS TO DESIGNATE THEIR TAKEOFF AND LANDING AREA, AND IT WOULD JUST COME TO THE COMMISSION AS A SITE PLAN OR A REVISED SITE PLAN, OR POSSIBLY EVEN JUST A STAFF APPROVED, UM, SUBSTANTIALLY CONFORMING SITE PLAN.
IF WE WERE TO REQUIRE AN S U P.
THAT'S WHEN IT BECOMES A ZONING PETITION AND IT COMES TO THE COMMISSION FOR CONSIDERATION AND IT WOULD NEED TO BE ISSUED BY COUNSEL.
DOES IT MAKE SENSE AND JUST HAD YES, THINK SO.
COULD PAYLOAD CAPACITY BE A DETERMINING FACTOR? IN OTHER WORDS, IF SOMETHING CAN CARRY UP TO 10 POUNDS, THEN IT FALLS WITHIN, IT'S ALLOWED BY RIGHT.
AND CEE L ONE, L TWO AND IS ACCESSORY USED IN RETAIL AND STUFF BECAUSE IN ORDER TO CARRY MORE THAN 10 POUNDS, IT'S LIKELY GONNA NEED, NEED TO BE A MUCH BIGGER AIRCRAFT, MAYBE, PERHAPS MUCH NOISIER.
I, I JUST DON'T KNOW THE ANSWER TO MY THOUGHTS.
YES, WHAT YOU'RE SAYING HERE SHOULD BE A PRIMARY USE IN L ONE, L TWO LI, EXCUSE ME, L I ONE L I TWO CE, AND IT SHOULD BE PERMITTED AS AN ACCESSORY TO ANY RETAIL AREA, FIGURING OUT A WAY TO ADD IT AS A STANDALONE USE.
I THINK WE NEED TO HAVE MORE DISCUSSION.
IS THERE ANYONE THAT'S OPPOSED TO THIS PIECE? I'M, I'M NOT SURE I'M OPPOSED, BUT, BUT I'M REALLY THINKING THIS THROUGH BECAUSE, UM, COMING FROM A RETAIL BACKGROUND, WHAT THESE GUYS ARE DOING TODAY, IT'S FREE OF CHARGE.
UM, THERE'S CERTAIN, CERTAIN RETAILERS USING IT, AND ULTIMATELY AS THIS DEVELOPS, MY EXPERIENCE IS THIS IS GONNA BE UBIQUITOUS AND YOU'RE GONNA HAVE TO DO THIS TO COMPETE.
OH, IT'S, AND SO SOME PEOPLE ARE GONNA DEVELOP THEIR OWN SYSTEMS. ALL OF THESE THINGS WILL HAPPEN AS WE GO FORWARD.
AND SO MY, THE THING THAT'S NOT CLEAR TO ME IS, IS HOW MANY OF THESE CAN WE REALLY, CAN WE REALLY STAND IN THE AIR AT ONCE AND WHAT DOES THAT START TO LOOK LIKE? SO, AND IT, THE SOLUTION ISN'T CLEAR TO ME, BUT THE QUESTIONS ARE, AND SO IF WE ALLOW THIS TO JUST GO UNFETTERED, DO WE REGRET THAT DOWN THE ROAD WHERE THE SKY IS FULL OF THINGS AS ALL THESE DIFFERENT RETAILERS ARE SHOOTING OFF THESE THINGS TO BRING AN ICE CREAM CONE OR, YOU KNOW, GOD KNOWS WHAT.
AND AND I THINK ULTIMATELY YOU'RE GONNA HAVE TO DO THIS TO COMPETE.
I DO BELIEVE IT'S, IT'S THE FUTURE.
AND SO I, I'M, I'M CONCERNED HOW WE LEGISLATE THIS SO THAT IT'S JUST NOT A NUISANCE IN OUR COMMUNITY.
AND I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE SAYING.
AND MR. LAW, YOU'RE NEXT HERE, MY ONLY THOUGHT ON THAT IS, AGAIN, WE CAN'T REGULATE THE AIRSPACE.
AND IF WE SAY, WELL, WE'RE ONLY GONNA ALLOW IT IN THESE THREE SPOTS IN THE CITY, THAT DOESN'T PERMIT THEM FROM FLYING IN FROM OUTSIDE THE CITY, SO THAT WE CAN'T CONTROL THAT PIECE OF IT.
SO IT'S A MATTER OF WHERE DO WE WANNA ALLOW IT INSIDE.
MICROPHONE, INSTEAD OF TALK, IT'S CONFUSED.
UM, I, I HAVEN'T SEEN THE POINT YET.
LIKE I, I DON'T WANNA BE THE BACKWARD CITY.
I WANNA WRITE A GREAT PROGRAM THAT BRINGS THIS, BUT I HAVEN'T WHAT TO DO, WHAT TO DO, WHAT TO DELIVER A CHICKEN AND AN ICE CREAM CONE.
LIKE, AND, AND THEN YOU THINK ABOUT THE
IT'S LIKE IF YOU'RE ENJOYING YOUR YARD AND A DRONE COMES IN TO
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LOWER MELT THAT ICE CREAM AT THATI DON'T KNOW WHY IT'S GONNA BECOME THE THING OF THE FUTURE.
I DON'T, I MEAN, IF SOMEONE HAD TO PAY FOR THIS, WHY? I MEAN, IT'S COOL, BUT I, I JUST DON'T KNOW WHAT WE NEED IT FOR REALLY.
AMAZON, I MEAN, YOU CAN ALREADY ORDER YOUR PAIR OF JEANS AND HAVE 'EM DELIVERED AT THE FRONT DOOR LIKE THAT AFTERNOON.
I MEAN, IF YOU'RE ENJOYING YOUR BACKYARD AND YOU GOT THREE KIDS THAT LEAVE ACROSS THE ALLEY AND THEY ALL ORDER AN ICE CREAM CONE AND THIS LEAF BLOWER COMES IN AND HOVERS AND LOWERS SOMETHING DOWN, I, I DON'T KNOW.
LIKE IF IT'S, IF SOMEONE SAID, OH, WE DE WE WE DELIVER EMERGENCY MEDICINE.
OKAY, WELL THAT'S A GOOD REASON FOR IT.
I JUST, I DON'T SEE THE POINT YET.
WELL, MY, SO LET'S, MY STATEMENT WAS THAT WE DON'T HAVE TO HAVE ANY REGULATIONS FOR THEM TO DO THAT.
NOW UP IN FRISCO, SHE'S GOT SIX MILES THAT SHE CAN DELIVER.
THIS IS ABOUT, I I UNDER, I UNDERSTAND THAT I I THEY CAN ALREADY DELIVER IT LIKE THAT.
CAN I UNDERSTAND THOSE QUESTIONS? WHAT, BUT THE, THE REASON IT'S GOING TO HAPPEN IS BECAUSE OF LABOR MODELS AND COST MODELS.
AND AS THEY'RE FIGURING THIS OUT TODAY, IT, IT MIGHT HAVE AN INCREASED COST, BUT WHEN YOU STARTED LOOKING AT STAFFING COMPANIES AND GETTING DRIVERS, PUTTING THESE DRIVERS ON THE ROAD AND THE REAL COST OF ALL OF THAT INSURANCE, ULTIMATELY THIS WILL BE MORE AFFORDABLE, IN MY OPINION.
AND I THINK CARS THAT DRIVE THEMSELVES AND DELIVERY TRUCKS THAT DRIVE THEMSELVES AND SOMETHING THAT'S GONNA BE ON THE GROUND, IS GONNA BE WAY IN FRONT OF THIS.
SO I THINK DEBATING WHETHER THIS IS GONNA HAPPEN OR NOT IS NOT WHAT WE'RE HERE FOR.
WE'RE REALLY HERE TO SAY, HEY, DO WE WANNA ALLOW THIS? AND, AND WHERE DO WE WANT TO ALLOW THEM TO BE ABLE TO JUST DO IT RIGHT NOW? GUESS WHAT? THEY CAN KIND OF DO IT WHEREVER.
SO I THINK WE WANNA PUT SOME BUMPERS ON THE THING.
SO LET'S, LET'S GO BACK TO THE QUESTION HERE.
FORGET SIZES FOR A MINUTE AND JUST SAY, DO WE WANNA ALLOW THIS AS A PRIMARY USE AND COMMERCIAL EMPLOYMENT? L ONE TWO.
ACCESSORY USE TO RETAIL SERVICE WAREHOUSE.
ANY REASON NOT TO DO THAT ACCESSORY? OKAY.
SO QUESTION IN FORMATIVE
SO IT SHOULD BE PERMITTED AS ACCESSORY TO RETAIL.
SO YOU KIND OF GOT THAT PIECE.
DO WE WANT TO CREATE A SEPARATE LAND USE WITH LESS RESTRICTIVE STANDARDS TO BE INTRODUCED FOR A COMMERCIAL DRONE? I THINK WE'RE STRUGGLING WITH THERE BECAUSE HOW DO WE DEFINE, RIGHT? SO MAYBE WE DON'T GO DOWN THAT PATH JUST YET UNTIL WE GET A LITTLE MORE REGULATION AND KNOW WHAT'S COMING.
IS IT AS EASY AS JUST TYING THE ORDINANCE TO, AS DEFINED BY FEDERAL AND STATE? OOPS, SORRY.
AS DEFINED AS BY FEDERAL AND STATE REGULATION.
LIKE, UH, THE DEFINITION OF SMALL UNMANNED AIRCRAFT.
JUST TYING THAT DEFINITION TO AS DEFINED BY FEDERAL AND STATE REGULATIONS.
SO IF THAT MOVES, WE ARE ANCHORED AND FED TO IT AND WE MOVE WITH THAT, I, I THINK THAT'S A GREAT IDEA.
IF, IF WE DECIDE TO CREATE SEPARATE LAND USE CATEGORY, RIGHT? THAT'S WHERE WE COULD GO WITH IT.
I THINK FOR RIGHT NOW WE'RE JUST SAYING WE'RE GONNA ALLOW DRONES USED HERE.
IT'S NOT GONNA BE NECESSARILY A COMPLETELY SEPARATE LAND USE.
RIGHT? THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT HERE.
SO FOR A, WE WERE TALKING SIMILAR TO HOW WE HAVE, UM, LIKE THREE, UM, STRATA FOR INDUSTRIAL USES.
WE HAVE LIGHT INTENSITY OR LIGHT INTENSITY, MODERN INTENSITY, HEAVY INTENSITY WITH VARYING DEGREES OF PERMISSIONS WITH LIGHT INTENSITY, GENERALLY NOT REQUIRING S U P AND THE OTHER ONES REQUIRING MORE AND MORE REGULATION.
IT WOULD BE THE SAME APPROACH TO A, UM, SMALL DRONE HUB VERSUS A A NOT SMALL DRONE HUB.
BUT WE DON'T REALLY HAVE ANYTHING LIKE THAT APPROACHING US RIGHT NOW.
CURRENTLY ALL INTEREST HAS BEEN FROM DRONE COMPANIES THAT OPERATE SMALL.
UUA S AMAZON HAS NOT EXPRESSED INTEREST IN EXPANDING OUT OF COLLEGE STATION JUST YET.
ARE WE KIND OF CLEAR ON ITEM ONE FOR YOU? IS THERE ANYTHING THAT YOU'RE, THAT YOU NEED FROM US? OKAY.
I'D, I'D, I'D LIKE YOU TO THINK ABOUT THE PARKING REQUIREMENTS BECAUSE INCREASINGLY I THINK A LOT OF FACILITIES ARE OVER PARKED AND, AND THEY MAY BE REQUIRED TODAY, BUT THIS PARTICULAR USE MAY BE A GOOD USE OF SOME OF THAT PARKING THAT ISN'T VERY UTE UTIL TODAY.
AND SO I WOULD SUGGEST WE THINK ABOUT THAT.
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I DON'T KNOW THAT I HAVE THE SOLUTION, BUT I THINK IT'S SOMETHING WE SHOULD THINK ABOUT.I THINK THAT'S YOU, YOU HAVE SOMETHING ALONG THOSE LINES, RIGHT? ON THE NEXT, IS IT THE NEXT SLIDE WHERE YOU TALK ABOUT WHERE WE'RE RIGHT HERE? UM, SO IN TERMS OF PARKING, UM, WHEN WE BRING AN ORDINANCE FORWARD WITH THE LAND USE, THERE WOULD BE AN ASSOCIATED PARKING REQUIREMENT FOR THIS USE, UM, IN TERMS OF REFORMING EXISTING, UM, COULD IT BE CALLED A NEGATIVE PARKING REQUIREMENT? IN OTHER WORDS, THEY'RE ALLOWED TO REDUCE THE PARKING REQUIREMENTS BY SIX WHEREVER THEY GO.
I THINK THAT MIGHT BE, UH, PREMATURE.
UM, I BELIEVE THAT AS PART OF THE ZONING ORDINANCE REWRITE, UH, WE ARE INTENDING AT LOOKING AT THE PARKING REQUIREMENTS FOR ALL OF THE USES.
UM, SO THAT WOULD, THE REWRITES IS PROBABLY THE BETTER FORUM TO DISCUSS PARTS.
RAT, I I WAS GONNA BRING UP THAT EXACT ISSUE BECAUSE THERE ARE SEVERAL RESTAURANTS I GO TO NOW THAT HAVE RESERVED PARKING FOR UBER EATS AND OTHER PICKUP FOR SERVICES, WHICH IS TAKING OUT OF THE REQUIRED PARKING FOR PEOPLE THAT WANT TO EAT THERE, RIGHT? MM-HMM.
UH, IT'S, IT'S JUST A DIFFERENT VEHICLE FOR DELIVERING THAT CHICKEN OR THAT ICE CREAM THAN THE CAR THAT SHOWS UP WITH THE DRIVER THAT HAS A RESERVED PARKING PLACE.
AND SO TO ME, IT'S A NET ZERO EFFECT ON PARKING.
I DON'T SEE A PROBLEM AT ALL PUTTING IT AS LONG AS IT'S NET ONE DRONE, NO LESS THAN ONE DRONE PER PARKING SPACE.
IF IT'S, I HEARD ONE OF Y'ALL SAY YOU COULD PUT THREE IN ONE PARKING PLACE.
WELL, THAT'S A NET GAIN TO ME OF PARKING MM-HMM.
AND SO I, I, I SEE THIS AS A POSITIVE TO THE PARKING AS OPPOSED TO A NEGATIVE.
SO I GUESS MY, MY POINT IS I DON'T SEE A PROBLEM AT ALL IN LETTING THEM USE THE REQUIRED PARKING UP TO A PERCENTAGE.
I THINK FIVE PERCENT'S TOO LOW.
I THINK IT MIGHT BE 10 OR EVEN 15%.
UM, BECAUSE I, IT, IT'S NO DIFFERENT THAN A UBER EATS DRIVER.
SO LET'S WORK THROUGH THE NEXT, THE QUESTION HERE, AND I, I SEE LOTS OF STUFF ON, I'M JUST TRYING TO KEEP US MOVING THROUGH THE, THE, THE QUESTIONS THAT ARE IN FRONT OF US.
SO IS THE 150 FOOT SETBACK FROM SENSITIVE LAND USE, IS THAT APPROPRIATE? GOOD.
50 FEET FROM ANYTHING, IT'S GONNA BE 20 FOOT OFF THE GROUND IN YOUR BACKYARD.
SO WHY DO YOU NEED IT? WELL, I GUESS IT'S GONNA BE MORE OFTEN FROM WHERE IT'S TAKEN OFF AND THAT'S RIGHT.
THERE'LL BE A LITTLE MORE, I MEAN, YOU MAY HAVE TWO OR THREE OF 'EM RUNNING AT ONCE COMING IN.
SO TO BE CLEAR, THE SETBACK WOULD BE FROM THE DESIGNATED TAKEOFF AND LANDING AREA.
SO SOMEWHERE ON THE SITE PLAN THAT IS DESIGNATED, THIS IS WHERE THE LANDING PADS ARE.
SO IT'S NOT FROM THE AIRCRAFT TO A USE, UM, BECAUSE WE CAN'T REGULATE THE AIRCRAFT ITSELF.
WE'RE TALKING ABOUT JUST THE SPOT AND WHERE IT HITS THE GROUND.
I, I GUESS TO ME IT DEPENDS ON HOW APPROXIMATE, HOW APPROXIMATE IT IS TO, UM, TOO RESIDENTIAL.
AND IF WE'RE IN A BUSINESS SETTING, YOU KNOW, A COMMERCIAL PLACE, MAYBE IT DOESN'T MATTER THAT MUCH, BUT 50 YARDS AWAY FROM A, UM, RESIDENTIAL BACK TO WHOEVER WAS TALKING ABOUT THE LEAF BLOWERS SEEMS A LITTLE CLOSE TO ME, REALLY.
ESPECIALLY IF THESE THINGS ARE GONNA JUST BE COMING IN AND OUT.
SO I WOULD, I WOULD, YEAH, 150 FEET, WHICH IS 50 YARDS, RIGHT? OH YEAH.
SO IT SEEMS A LITTLE CLOSE TO ME.
UM, IF IT'S ANYWHERE NEAR A RESIDENTIAL, I THINK IT NEEDS TO BE PUSHED BACK.
IS EVERYBODY ELSE OKAY WITH ONE 50? MR. BRENNO? I, I'M THINKING THERE ARE, IN THE RETAIL AREA WHERE WE'RE PROPOSING THIS AS AN ACCESSORY USE, 150 FEET MAY BE TOO MUCH BECAUSE THEY MAY NOT HAVE AVAILABLE 150 FEET TO SEPARATE THE, UH, THE LANDING PAD FROM THE NEIGHBORS.
SO WITH RESPECT TO THE ACCESSORY USES, I'M THINKING MAYBE SOMETHING SMALLER THAN 150 FEET.
WELL, JUST LOOKING AT THE NOISE STUFF AT 50 FEET, WE'RE AT 75 DBA.
AND I HATE TO CIRCLE BACK TO OUR NOISE LIMITATIONS ON OUR DISCUSSIONS RECENTLY.
UM, I MEAN, BUT IT IS, IT'S GETTING KIND OF LOUD, BUT A AS WAS WAS POINTED OUT, I MEAN, THE DRONES GONNA COME DOWN, BUT AGAIN, AT A, AT A NEST, USE YOUR WORD, IT COULD BE A LITTLE NOISIER BECAUSE WE MAY HAVE MORE THAN ONE GOING.
UM, LET'S START WITH 150 FEET.
IS EVERYBODY OKAY WITH US KIND OF STARTING THERE? AND THEN WE CAN, WE CAN START THERE AND ADJUST, IF THAT'S WHAT YOU MEAN.
IF WE NEED TO, WE CAN ADJUST IT.
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IS THAT GOOD? OR DO WE NEED MORE? DO WE NEED LESS? JUST, IT'S A STARTING POINT.I THINK IT NEEDS TO BE 10 AND YEAH, I DON'T, I DON'T KNOW.
I WAS GONNA SAY, I'D LOVE TO HEAR ONE OF THE THINGS THAT OPERATE, LIKE CAN WE FLY ONE, CAN WE GO TO THE PARKING LOT?
WELL, I KNOW THERE ARE, UM, NUMBER OF PARKING SPOTS DESIGNATED TO CERTAIN USE OF THE, THE LAND OR THE TYPE OF BUSINESS, UM, BASED ON THE PRIOR STUDIES OF, YOU KNOW, HOW MANY PARKING SPOTS, HOW, WHAT THE TRAFFIC LOOKS LIKE, RIGHT? MM-HMM.
SO RIGHT NOW, I DON'T THINK WE HAVE ANY DATA THAT SUPPORTS, OR EVEN ANY, UH, ANALYSIS ON USING THE DRONE, HOW MUCH TRAFFIC IT WILL REDUCE TO THE CERTAIN RETAIL STORE OR, YOU KNOW, FRONT.
SO HOW MANY PARKING SPOT CAN BE USED FOR THIS? BECAUSE I LIKE, UH, OUR CHAIRMAN SAID EARLIER, MOST ARE RETAIL SPOTS.
WHEN THEY WERE BUILT, THEY BUILD AS MUCH AS THEY CAN AND LEAVE JUST A MINIMAL REQUIRED PARKING SPOTS.
SO USUALLY, USUALLY THEY ALREADY HAVE THE PARKING SPOT TO THE MINIMUM.
WELL, THEY WERE MINIMAL TO OUR STANDARDS.
BUT IT DOESN'T MEAN THAT OUR STANDARDS DIDN'T REQUIRE MORE PARKING THAN WAS REALLY NECESSARY.
AND THAT'S, THAT'S THE, THE CHALLENGE THAT WE DEAL WITH THAT 5%.
I'M NOT SURE HOW WE GET TO THAT 5%.
I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S MORE OR LESS THAN NECESSARY BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE THE STUDY TO SUPPORT THAT.
I WAS JUST GONNA SAY, IN SITUATIONS LIKE THIS, WE'LL USUALLY PUT TOGETHER SOME OPTIONS FOR YOU AND SOME GRAPHICS.
SO WE'LL SHOW YOU, THIS IS A SITE, THIS IS WHAT 5% LOOKS LIKE.
THIS IS WHAT 150 FOOT DIMENSION LOOKS LIKE.
THIS IS WHAT THE PARKING IS CONSIDERED.
WE'LL GIVE YOU SOME OPTIONS IN REAL LIFE TO SHOW YOU THE IMPACTS ON PROPERTIES AND GIVE YOU SOME SITUATIONS TO CONSIDER.
AND, AND, AND HE SAID HE CAN GET THREE DRONES IN ONE PARKING SPOT.
I DON'T KNOW HOW MUCH SPACE DO YOU GUYS TYPICALLY USE? CAUSE IN THAT YOU'VE GOT ABOUT SIX OR SEVEN SPOTS TAKEN UP, BUT THAT'S CERTAINLY NOT, THAT'S PROBABLY NOT MORE THAN 5% OF THE LOT.
SO LET'S JUST START WITH FIVE, AND I THINK WE MIGHT WANNA BE MORE FLEXIBLE THAN THAT, BUT WE'LL START WITH FIVE.
UH, AND THEN I THINK THAT'S AT GRADE, BUT ON THE ROOF WE CAN CERTAINLY GO HIGHER.
UH, YOU HAVE SOMETHING A VARIANCE FROM THAT YOU WANT? NO, MY ONLY, I HAD A QUESTION, UH, SINCE I KNOW THEY'RE IN FRISCO ALREADY, WHAT, UH, WHAT PERCENTAGE IS FRISCO USING? SO FRISCO'S AN INTERESTING CASE BECAUSE IT'S CURRENTLY A VACANT PROPERTY.
THERE'S NOTHING DEVELOPED ON THE SITE.
SO, UH, WING IS THE ONLY USER OF THAT SITE.
UM, I BELIEVE THEY'RE ON A FORMER HELIPAD THAT THEY'RE SET UP ON, BUT I DON'T KNOW WHAT PER, BUT THEY DON'T HAVE A REGULATION AROUND A CERTAIN PERCENTAGE USAGE? NO, NO.
SO FRISCO IS, UM, UH, USING WING AS A, A PILOT PROJECT.
UM, SO THEY HAVEN'T ADDED THE USE TO THEIR ORDINANCE, BUT THEY'RE WORKING WITH WING TO FIGURE OUT HOW IT FITS WITHIN THEIR CITY.
UM, AND AS THE, UH, FRISCO STATION BUILDS OUT, THEY'LL POSSIBLY CONSIDER ADDING, UM, DRONE DELIVERY HUBS TO THEIR ORDINANCE WITH ASSOCIATED STANDARDS.
SO WOULD THAT MAKE SENSE FOR US TO LOOK AT SOMETHING LIKE THAT AS WELL TO CONSIDER PILOT, PILOT PROGRAMS BEFORE WE FULLY JUMP INTO FINALIZING THESE ORDINANCES LIKE THIS? WELL, I THINK THAT WE WILL ADJUST THE ORDINANCES BASED ON OUR EXPERIENCE ONCE WE HAVE THEM IN PLACE.
AND ACTUALLY THEY'RE BEING USED, BUT I THINK THE OPERATORS NEED SOME GUIDANCE TO START WITH.
LET'S, LET'S, UM, ARE THERE OTHER DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS? I, I DON'T KNOW.
WE COULD PROBABLY THROW A WHOLE BUNCH OF STUFF OUT THERE.
THE ONLY ONE THAT I'M REALLY LOOKING AT HERE IS WE'VE TALKED ABOUT ACCESSORY USE OR AS A PRIMARY USE IN THOSE CERTAIN DISTRICTS.
I THINK IT WAS WORTH KIND OF DISCUSSING IS THERE IS, COULD THIS USE BE ALLOWED IN AN AREA THAT IS CONSIDERED PART OF A FLOODPLAIN, FOR EXAMPLE, BECAUSE MAYBE YOU USE IT, IT'S ALLOWED RIGHT, AS A PRIMARY USE IN AN AREA THAT WOULDN'T BE ALLOWED FOR BUILDING SOMETHING, RIGHT.
A BUILDING OR AN OCCUPIED RESIDENCE OR ANYTHING ELSE.
BUT THAT MIGHT BE A GOOD USE FOR SOME OF THIS LAND AS, UH, RIGHT.
THERE ARE RESTRICTIONS TO PAVING AND, AND OTHER IMPROVEMENTS THAT MAY BE IMPACTED BY THESE USES, POWER PADS, THINGS LIKE THAT, THAT ARE NEEDED.
I'D PROBABLY JUST THINK ABOUT KEEPING IT OUT OF OKAY.
HOW DO WE BE FLEXIBLE? WHAT'S THE NEXT PAGE? UH, THE NEXT PAGE WE GO TO? UH, HELICOPTERS.
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YEAH.DIRECTION, MR. RETOS? I, I LIKED THEIR PROPOSED AMENDMENTS.
I THOUGHT THEY WERE RIGHT ON TARGET.
OTHER RELATED ISSUES THAT WE WANT FURTHER RESEARCH ON? I THINK I'M GLAD TO HEAR YOU SAY YOU'RE GONNA GIVE US SOME REAL LIFE EXAMPLES, I'M ASSUMING WITH SOME INPUT FROM THEM THAT WILL MAKE IT EASY FOR US TO SAY, OKAY, THIS IS HOW IT WORKS.
UH, SO THAT'S THE RECOMMENDATION.
NOW I'D LIKE TO MOVE THAT WE CALL A PUBLIC HEARING SECOND.
I GOT A MOTION BY COMMISSIONER BRONSKI WITH A SECOND BY COMMISSIONER ALI.
WELL, I WAS LOOKING AT HIM WHEN HE SAID SECOND, AND I HEARD
WE GOT COMMISSIONER ALI WITH A SECOND ON THIS TO CALL A PUBLIC HEARING.
OH YEAH, THIS IS, I DON'T KNOW WHAT THAT IS.
THANK YOU GUYS FOR HANGING OUT AND, UH, I'M SURE YOU'LL BE BACK.
HOW'S EVERYBODY DOING? DO WE NEED A BREAK? ANYONE? NOPE.
LET'S GO BACK TO PUBLIC HEARING ITEMS AND TRY TO GET THROUGH THOSE.
THERE'S STILL A LOT OF PEOPLE SITTING IN THE CHAMBERS.
[7. (MZ) Public Hearing: Comprehensive Plan Amendment 2023-002 - Public hearing and consideration of amendments to the Parks Master Plan Map, Bicycle Transportation Plan Map, and Future Land Use Map of the Comprehensive Plan associated with the 2023 update of the Parks, Recreation, Trails & Open Space Master Plan. Project #CPA2023- 002. Applicant: City of Plano (Legislative consideration)]
SEVEN, PUBLIC HEARING COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AMENDMENT 2023 DASH ZERO TWO PUBLIC HEARING IN CONSIDERATION OF AMENDMENTS TO THE PARKS PLAN, MASTER PLAN MAP, BICYCLE TRANSPORTATION PLAN MAP, AND FUTURE LAND USE MAP OF THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN ASSOCIATED WITH THE 2023 UPDATE OF THE PARKS AND REC, PARKS, RECREATION TRAILS, AND OPEN SPACE MASTER PLAN.THIS IS FOR A LEGISLATIVE CONSIDERATION.
MY NAME IS MARYAM ZAHIR, PLANNER WITH THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT.
THIS ITEM IS A PUBLIC HEARING ITEM TO CONSIDER AMENDMENTS TO THE PARKS MASTER PLAN MAP, THE BICYCLE TRANSPORTATION PLAN, MAP AND FUTURE LAND USE MAP OF THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN 2021.
THESE AMENDMENTS ARE DIRECTLY ASSOCIATED WITH THE 2023 UPDATE OF THE PARKS MASTER PLAN.
THE PARKS AND RECREATION DEPARTMENT IS UPDATING THE CITY'S PARKS, RECREATION TRAILS, AND OPEN SPACE MASTER PLAN, ALSO KNOWN AS THE PARKS AND RECREATION MASTER PLAN.
THIS DOCUMENT IS THE DEPARTMENT'S LONG-TERM ACTION PLAN THAT PROVIDES GUIDANCE TO THE DEPARTMENT, ESTABLISHES GOALS AND RECOMMENDATIONS AND IDENTIFIES NEEDS RELATED TO BOTH EXISTING AND FUTURE FACILITIES.
THE LAST MAJOR UPDATE WAS ADOPTED IN 2018, AND THE PARKS AND RECREATION DEPARTMENT ENGAGED HALF ASSOCIATES IN EARLY 2022 TO SUPPORT THE DEPARTMENT WITH THEIRS.
ONE OF THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, UM, OF THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN'S, PARKS AND RECREATION POLICY IS TO IMPLEMENT THE PARKS AND RECREATION MASTER PLAN AND UPDATE THE PLAN EVERY FIVE YEARS.
THE CURRENT UPDATE IS IN LINE WITH THAT FIVE YEAR UPDATE.
JUST WANTED TO KIND OF PROVIDE YOU WITH A BRIEF OVERVIEW OF KIND OF WHERE WE'VE BEEN AND WHERE WE ARE ON APRIL 3RD.
WE PRE PRESENTED TO THIS COMMISSION AND REQUESTED A CALL FOR PUBLIC HEARING DURING THE MONTHS OF APRIL AND MAY.
A DRAFT OF THE PARKS MASTER PLAN WAS AVAILABLE ONLINE FOR PUBLIC REVIEW AND COMMENT.
THOSE COMMENTS WERE INCORPORATED AND A FINAL DRAFT IS AVAILABLE ONLINE AT THIS TIME ON MAY 15TH.
THIS COMMISSION WAS BRIEFED BY THE PARKS STAFF AND THEIR CONSULTANT REGARDING THE PROPOSED CHANGES TO THE PARK, TO THE PARKS MASTER PLAN, MAP OR PLAN THIS EVENING.
WE ARE BEFORE YOU, UM, FOR THE, UM, PLANNING AND ZONING PUBLIC HEARING IN CONSIDERATION OF THE PROPOSED AMENDMENTS TO THE PARKS MASTER PLAN MAP, THE BICYCLE TRANSPORTATION PLAN MAP, AND FUTURE LAND USE MAP OF COMPREHENSIVE PLAN 2021.
A CITY COUNCIL PUBLIC HEARING FOR THIS ITEM IS ANTICIPATED ON JULY 24TH.
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SO I'LL GO THROUGH THE THREE MAPS THAT ARE PROPOSED TO BE UPDATED AND THEN BE AVAILABLE FOR ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU MAY HAVE.JUST WANTED TO ALSO LET YOU KNOW THAT THE PARKS AND RECREATION DEPARTMENT STAFF IS HERE THIS EVENING TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS AS WELL.
THE PARKS MASTER PLAN MAP ON THE SCREEN SHOWS, UM, OR OUTLINES EACH OF THE PROPOSED CHANGES.
THE MAJOR CHANGES TO THE PARKS MASTER PLAN MAP INCLUDE CHANGES TO TRAILS, AND THIS INCLUDES NEWLY PROPOSED TRAILS, TRAILS THAT HAVE BEEN REALIGNED AND TRAIL CONNECTIONS AND EXTENSIONS THAT HAVE BEEN REMOVED.
ANOTHER MAJOR CHANGE IS, UM, TO THE PROPOSED PARKS.
THIS INCLUDES THE ADDITION OF NEW PROPOSED PARKS TO THE MAP AND THE ADJUSTMENT OF BOUNDARIES OF PROPOSED PERKS CURRENTLY ON THE MAP.
ANOTHER MAJOR CHANGE IS AN UPDATE TO EXISTING PARK BOUNDARIES ON THE MAP.
AND LASTLY, THE ADDITION OF PRIVATE OPEN SPACE.
AS MENTIONED, THESE UPDATES ARE REFLECTED ON THE MAP ON THE SCREEN, UM, AND YOU CAN KIND OF SEE THE LOCATION AND WHAT THOSE CHANGES ARE.
THERE ARE A TOTAL OF 17 UPDATES PROPOSED TO THE PARKS MASTER PLAN MAP.
HERE YOU CAN SEE THE CLEAN FINAL DRAFT OF THE PARKS MASTER PLAN MAP, THAT IS TO BE INCORPORATED INTO THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
NEXT WE HAVE THE BICYCLE TRANSPORTATION PLAN MAP.
ONCE AGAIN, YOU HAVE THE, UH, MAP THAT OUTLINES ALL OF THE CHANGES THAT ARE PROPOSED AND THE LOCATION.
THE MAJOR CHANGES TO THE BICYCLE TRANSPORTATION MAP INCLUDE THE ADDITION OR RELOCATION OF PROPOSED SHARED USE PATHS, ADDITIONAL PROPOSED ON-STREET BIKE ROUTES AND THE ADDITION OF BIKE LANES AND CYCLE TRACKS.
THOSE UPDATES ARE REFLECTED ON THE MAP SHOWN, AND THERE ARE 19 UPDATES PROPOSED TO THE BICYCLE TRANSPORTATION PLAN MAP.
HERE IS THE CLEAN VERSION OF THE FINAL DRAFT THAT WOULD BE INCORPORATED INTO THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
LASTLY, WE HAVE THE FUTURE LAND USE MAP.
ONCE AGAIN, THE MAP SHOWS THE LOCATION OF THE CHANGES THAT ARE PROPOSED AND THE MAJOR CHANGES, UM, TO THE FUTURE.
LAND USE MAP INCLUDE CORRESPONDING CHANGES TO NEW PROPOSED PARKS.
SO THIS INCLUDES VARIOUS LOCATIONS ON THE FUTURE LAND USE MAP THAT WERE UPDATED TO MATCH THE LOCATION OF NEW PROPOSED PARKS ON THE PARKS MASTER PLAN MAP.
SECONDLY, THERE'S CORRESPONDING CHANGES FOR PARK BOUNDARY ADJUSTMENTS.
THIS INCLUDES THE ADJUSTMENT OF THE EXISTING OPEN SPACE NETWORK BOUNDARIES TO MATCH CORRESPONDING ADJUSTMENTS ON THE PARKS MASTER PLAN MAP.
AND THERE WERE A FEW OTHER CHANGES THAT WERE MADE TO MATCH EXISTING CONDITIONS.
THESE UPDATES ARE REFLECTED ON THE MAP SHOWN ON THE SCREEN, AND THERE ARE A TOTAL OF 13 UPDATES PROPOSED TO THE FUTURE LAND USE MAP.
THIS IS THE CLEAN FINAL DRAFT THAT WOULD BE, UM, INCORPORATED INTO THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
THE SUMMARY TABLE HERE DENOTES THE CHANGES TO EACH OF THE MAPS AND HOW THEY CORRESPOND TO ONE ANOTHER.
I WANT TO NOTE THAT ALL CHANGES ON THE FUTURE LAND USE MAP CORRESPOND DIRECTLY TO THE CHANGES PROPOSED IN THE PARKS MASTER PLAN UPDATE AND ITS RESPECTIVE MAPS.
THE AMENDMENT TO THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN 2021 WILL INCLUDE THE FOLLOWING THREE MAPS AS SHOWN.
THIS INCLUDES THE PARKS MASTER PLAN MAP, THE BICYCLE TRANSPORTATION PLAN MAP, AND THE FUTURE LAND USE MAP.
STAFF RECOMMENDS THAT THE COMMISSION APPROVE THE AMENDMENTS TO THE PARKS MASTER PLAN MAP, BICYCLE TRANSPORTATION PLAN MAP, FUTURE LAND USE MAP OF THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN 2021, ASSOCIATED WITH THE 2023 UPDATE OF THE PARKS, RECREATION TRAILS, AND OPEN SPACE MASTER PLAN AS SUBMITTED.
THIS CONCLUDES MY PRESENTATION AND THEN PLANNING AND PARK STAFF ARE AVAILABLE AT THIS TIME TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU MAY HAVE.
DO WE HAVE QUESTIONS FOR STAFF FIRST, MR. BRONSKI? UH, MY FIRST
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QUESTION, UH, I'D LIKE TO ASK MR. BELL, UH, THE CHANGES THAT WE'RE SEEING FROM, UH, THE FUTURE LAND USE PERSPECTIVE.HAS YOUR DEPARTMENT LOOKED INTO THAT AS IT RELATES TO THE IMPACT IT WOULD HAVE ON MIX OF USE CALCULATIONS? YES, WE HAVE.
SO AS Y'ALL ARE AWARE, THE CALCULATIONS FOR MIX OF USE IS, ARE MEASURED BY THE FUTURE LAND USE CATEGORY.
SO HOW MUCH HOUSING OR EMPLOYMENT IS SUPPORTED IN AN AREA, THOSE ARE BASED ON PERCENTAGES OF LAND.
THE SHORT ANSWER IS NO, THERE'S NOT ANY SUBSTANTIVE CHANGES.
TECHNICALLY, YES, THEY WILL CHANGE THE NUMBERS VERY SLIGHTLY, BUT IN THE EXAMPLE OF NEIGHBORHOODS, IT'S LESS OF THE 10TH OF A PERCENT.
AND THOSE CHANGES VERY, VERY MINUTE CHANGES.
IT DOESN'T ULTIMATELY AFFECT HOUSING IS SUPPORTED OR NOT.
I I REALLY APPRECIATE THE FACT THAT YOU GUYS ARE PROACTIVE IN LOOKING AT THAT.
UH, I THINK THAT IS VERY REPRESENTATIVE OF, UH, EVERYTHING THAT, UH, THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT COMMITTED TO, UH, THROUGH THE, UH, COMPREHENSIVE PLAN PROCESS.
UH, I'M VERY EXCITED I'VE LOOKED AT THIS AND, UH, I PERSONALLY THINK THE ADOPTION OF ALL OF THIS INTO THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN IS GOING TO BE NOTHING BUT A POSITIVE ENHANCEMENT, UH, TO ALL CITIZENS LIVING IN PLANO.
MY SPEAKER BUTTON IS NOT WORKING.
MY VOTING YES BUTTON IS NOT WORKING.
UH, I DON'T KNOW ABOUT THE VOTE, NO BUTTON.
I HAVEN'T HAD A CHANCE TO USE IT YET.
WELL, YOUR SPEAKER'S WORKING OBVI OR YOUR TALK BUTTON'S WORKING? THAT'S WORKING.
UH, MR. BRONSKI, DO YOU STILL WANNA SPEAK? YEAH.
MR. ALI, UH, QUICK QUESTION ON THE BICYCLE TRANSPORTATION PLAN MAP, UH, THE PROPOSED REGIONAL BICYCLE NETWORK, DOES THAT TIE INTO OUR TRANSIT ORIENTED DEVELOPMENT, OR AM I READING THAT WRONGLY? UM, YES.
SO THERE IS ONE EXAMPLE IS THE DART SILVER LINE HIKING AND BIKE TRAIL THAT'S UNDER CONSTRUCTION, PARTIALLY CONSTRUCTED RIGHT NOW.
AND SO THOSE WILL TIE INTO THE DARK, THE PROPOSED DARK SILVER LINE, UM, 12TH STREET AND SHILOH ROAD STATIONS, BUT THERE ARE OTHER REGIONAL BIKE NETWORKS.
WHAT THAT'S REALLY REFERRING TO IS THERE IS A REGIONAL PLAN FROM THE COUNCIL OF GOVERNMENTS FOR REGIONAL BIKE TRAILS, AND THOSE ARE DENOTED, UH, ON THE PARKS MASTER PLAN MAT AND THE BICYCLE MAT.
SO I TRIED TO THAT LEAST WITH MY HANDS, SEE IF I COULD, USING THE BICYCLE NETWORK AND THAT TIE IN, GET TO ONE END FROM ANOTHER PLANO ABOUT WOULD SAY I WAS 90% SUCCESSFUL.
ARE THERE GAPS THAT WE AIM TO, UH, FILL IN? UM, THERE, THERE SEEMS TO BE A BIT OF A GAP COMING FROM, FORGIVE MY MAP DIRECTIONS, BUT COMING FROM THIS END TO THE TOP, OR IS, IS, IS THERE, YEAH, I'D LIKE TO DEFER THAT QUESTION TO THE, UH, PARK STAFF THAT'S EAST.
I'M THE PARK PLANNING MANAGER.
COULD COULD YOU ASK YOUR QUESTION AGAIN? YEAH, I, I, I WAS ESSENTIALLY USING THE BIKE NET, THE BIKE NETWORK.
IS IT A SAFE ASSUMPTION TO SAY THAT IF I WANTED TO GET FROM ONE END TO OF PLANO TO ANOTHER TIED IN THE BIKE NETWORK AND OUR TRANSPORTATION, UH, TRANSIT ORIENTED DEVELOPMENT, OUR TRANSPORTATION MAP WOULD, IS YES.
WOULD I BE ABLE TO DO THAT? YES.
SO, UH, WE HAVE ABOUT 154 MILES OF ON-STREET BIKE ROUTE.
SO THOSE ON-STREET BIKE ROUTES ARE REPRESENTED IN THE BLUE ON THE MAP.
UM, AND THOSE OCCUR ON GENERALLY LOWER VOLUME ROADS.
UM, AND THEN THAT PLUGS INTO OUR TRAIL NETWORK, WHICH IS REPRESENTED BY THE SOLID RED.
AND OUR TRAIL NETWORK IS, IS CLOSE TO A HUNDRED MILES.
SO BETWEEN THE TWO, YOU CAN MAKE A COMPLETE TRIP.
THIS IS MY SPEAKER BUTTON, RIGHT? I SEE.
UM, I SEE ON PAGE, UM, WELL, TWO OF EIGHT OF THIS ITEM.
I DON'T SEE THE, YOU KNOW, PAGE 70 OF OUR PACKET, UH, THE PARKS AND RECREATION PLANNING BOARD ON MAY THE SECOND RECOMMENDED APPROVAL OF THE PARKS, RECREATION TRAILS, AND OPEN SPACE MASTER PLAN BY UNANIMOUS VOTE.
UM, THIS, THESE PLANS OBVIOUSLY REPRESENT A LOT OF WORK BY THE, BY THE, BY THE PARKS AND RECREATION, UH, STAFF.
UM, I THINK THEY ARE, IT'S THEIR JOB TO BE CONVERSANT WITH THE DETAILS OF A PLAN SUCH AS THIS.
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UH, I'M PREPARED TO RESPECT THEIR WORK AND THE, UM, THAT'S GONE INTO IT, UH, WITHOUT OUR HAVING TO TRY TO REINVENT THE WHEEL THAT, THAT THEY'VE ALREADY INVENTED FOR US.UM, WE HAVE TO, UH, UPDATE THESE PLANS EVERY FIVE YEARS.
AND, UH, I THINK, UH, BASED ON THAT, THIS IS A POSITIVE DEVELOPMENT FOR THE CITY AND I'M IN FAVOR OF IT.
GLAD TO HEAR THAT THIS IS A PUBLIC HEARING ITEM.
SO WE HAVE ANY MORE QUESTIONS FOR STAFF COMMENT? NO.
DO WE HAVE ANY SPEAKERS ON THIS ITEM? NO, WE DO NOT.
NOW I'LL THE PUBLIC HEARING, WOULD YOU LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION? IS THAT WHAT YOU WERE APPEARING TO DO? THANK YOU.
I MAKE A MOTION THAT WE APPROVE ITEM NUMBER SEVEN, SECOND
SO WE HAVE, UH, A MOTION BY COMMISSIONER BRUNO WITH A SECOND BY COMMISSIONER BRONSKI, CARRIE DOWNS, LYLE ALI, AND RATLIFF TO, SO WE'LL, WE'LL GIVE IT TO COMMISSIONER CARRIE FOR THE SECOND ON THIS.
UH, LET'S, LET'S TRY TO PLEASE VOTE.
SO HAND VOTE AND WE HAVE A UNANIMOUS EIGHT TO ZERO THANK YOU TO THE PARK STAFF.
UH, WE HAVE THE BEST PARK SYSTEM IN THE STATE OF TEXAS.
AND WHAT NUMBER? 10 OR IN THE TOP 10 IN THE US I THINK SO.
[8. (EG) Public Hearing: Comprehensive Plan Amendment 2023-003 - Request to amend the Facilities & Infrastructure Policy of the Comprehensive Plan 2021 to incorporate ongoing department-specific strategies and more practical guidance. Project #CPA2023-003. Applicant: City of Plano (Legislative consideration)]
NUMBER EIGHT, EXCUSE ME.PUBLIC HEARING COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AMENDMENT 2023 DASH 0 0 3 REQUEST TO AMEND THE FACILITIES AND INFRASTRUCTURE POLICY AT THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN TO INCORPORATE ONGOING DEPARTMENT SPECIFIC STRATEGIES AND MORE PRACTICAL GUIDANCE.
THIS IS LEGISLATIVE CONSIDERATION.
UH, THANK YOU MEMBERS OF THE COMMISSION.
UM, UNLIKE WHAT THE SLIDE SAYS, I'M NOT EVAN GARCIA.
I AM MIKE BELL, THE COMPREHENSIVE PLANNING MANAGER.
EVAN HAD TO LEAVE EARLY, SO, UH, I'LL BE GIVING THIS PRESENTATION.
UM, BUT THIS IS AN AMENDMENT RELATED TO THE FACILITIES AND INFRASTRUCTURE POLICY OF THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
THOUGH I SAY THAT THESE CHANGES ARE REALLY TARGETED AT THE C I P AND THIS COMMISSION'S ROLE ROLE IN REVIEWING THE C I P FOR CONFORMANCE WITH A COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
AND THAT'S WHAT THOSE CHANGES ARE TARGETED TOWARDS.
UH, THIS IS CURRENTLY THE FACILITIES AND INFRASTRUCTURE POLICY LISTED IN THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
IT SPEAKS TO THAT PLANO WILL STRATEGICALLY PLAN AND IMPLEMENT IMPROVEMENTS TO CITY FACILITIES AND INFRASTRUCTURE TO ENSURE THE NECESSARY NEEDS AND SERVICES ARE PROVIDED TO THE COMMUNITY.
AND UNDER THAT ARE A SERIES OF ACTIONS THAT WE'LL BE PROPOSING TO EDIT, UM, AS A CITY THAT IS FOR MOST CITIES, THEY'RE IN, THEY'RE FAST GROWING STAGES.
THE CIP IS USED TO FILL IN THE THOROUGHFARE PLAN, MAP, THE PARKS MAP THAT YOU JUST SAW TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE BUILDING NEW ROADS AND INFRASTRUCTURE AND CONFORMANCE WITH THOSE MAPS.
WHEN YOU REACH MORE MATURITY, IT'S LESS ABOUT FOLLOWING THE MAPS AND MORE ABOUT, UM, REDEVELOPMENT MAINTENANCE AND MAKING SURE THAT WE'RE KEEPING THOSE FACILITY INFRASTRUCTURE IN GOOD OPERATING CONDITION.
UM, SO WE REALLY NEED A COMPREHENSIVE PLAN THAT LOOKS AT IT FROM THAT PERSPECTIVE.
AS YOU KNOW, THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION LOOKS AT THE C I P EVERY YEAR IN AUGUST.
WE AS STAFFED, PRESENT AN ANALYSIS TO THE COMMISSION ABOUT HOW IT MEETS THE, HOW IT ALIGNS WITH THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
UM, BUT THERE'S NOT A REALLY STRONG LINKAGE.
UM, I THINK WHAT YOU'LL BE SEEING IN THE NEXT FEW SLIDES ARE REALLY KIND OF COMMON SENSE ADDITIONS THAT PROVIDE VERY CLEAR CONNECTIONS.
SO INSTEAD OF GIVING YOU KIND OF A BROAD ANALYSIS TO HOW IT MEETS A REGIONALISM PILLAR OR A BUILT BUILT ENVIRONMENT PILLAR, WE'LL TALK MORE ABOUT PRIORITIES AND WHAT THE CIP SHOULD BE ADDRESSING.
AND HOPEFULLY THROUGH THAT, WE ARE ABLE TO INCORPORATE THE DEPARTMENT SPECIFIC STRATEGIES, SOME MORE PRACTICAL GUIDANCE, AND AGAIN, INCREASE TRANSPARENCY AND, AND HOW THE DOLLARS ARE MEETING THOSE NEEDS.
UH, SO THE FIRST IS WE WILL MAKE A VERY MINOR CHANGE TO THE POLICY STATEMENT ITSELF.
AND THAT'S SIMPLY JUST TO ADD THE WORD A ASSETS.
UH, THERE'S SOME THINGS THAT ARE KIND OF FACILITIES, KIND OF INFRASTRUCTURE, PLAYGROUND EQUIPMENT, IRRIGATION, THINGS LIKE THAT.
WE JUST WANNA MAKE SURE WE HAVE AN ENCOMPASSING WORD.
AND THEN APART FROM THE POLICY, WE HAVE FOUR NEW ACTIONS.
WE HAVE A ACTION THAT'S SLIGHTLY MODIFIED AND RENUMBERED, AND THEN FOUR ACTIONS THAT WILL STAY EXACTLY AS THEY'RE TODAY.
UH, THE FIRST IS FI FOUR, WHICH THIS IS REALLY THE, THE FIRST TWO ARE GONNA BE ABOUT INTERNAL PROCESSES.
WE WILL BE MAINTAINING AN ASSET MANAGEMENT SYSTEM THAT LOCATES PROVIDES CONDITION AND ANTICIPATED LIFESPAN OF THESE FACILITIES.
WE ALREADY HAVE THAT PROGRAM THROUGH A SOFTWARE CALLED CARDIOGRAPH THAT SEVERAL DEPARTMENTS ARE USING.
UM, IT'S REALLY AMAZING SOFTWARE AND IT GIVES US GREATER DATA AND INSIGHTS THAT WE CAN PAIR WITH PERSONAL EXPERTISE TO KEEP A, UM, GOOD HANDLE ON WHERE OUR INFRASTRUCTURE IS.
UH, NEXT, WE'LL USE THAT DATA, AND AGAIN, WE CAN USE IT IN A NUMBER OF WAYS.
UH, FIRST TO STRATEGICALLY PLAN FOR PROACTIVE MAINTENANCE, UH, OF THOSE GOOD, OF THOSE RESOURCES, WE CAN USE THAT AND
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ALSO TO ASSESS OUR FUTURE NEEDS IN THE GROWTH AND REDEVELOPMENT LOCATIONS.AND LASTLY, ONCE WE KNOW THAT WE CAN DEVELOP KINDA LONG-TERM STRATEGIC PLANS AND DOCUMENTS THAT WILL BE, UH, UNDERPINNED BY THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
THIRD IS SOMETHING WE'VE BEEN DOING ALL ALONG FOR DECADES.
WE'RE JUST ADDING, ADDING IT BACK INTO THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
AND THAT IS PREPARING A CIP AND ADOPTING THE FIRST YEAR AS PART OF THE ANNUAL BUDGET.
THAT WAS A LONGSTANDING ACTION FOR MANY DECADES.
WE'RE PROPOSING TO PUT SIMILAR LANGUAGE BACK IN AT THIS TIME.
AND THE NEXT ACTION IS REALLY WHERE ALL THE MEAT IS.
THIS IS WHERE YOU COME IN AS A COMM COMMISSION AND REVIEWING THAT FIVE YEAR C I P EVERY YEAR, THIS IS GONNA HELP GIVE THE COMMISSION ADDITIONAL GUIDANCE ON WHAT TO LOOK FOR.
UH, SO WE'VE ADDED A NUMBER OF SUB OF SUB BULLETS.
FIRST, AGAIN, WE'RE JUST TRYING TO MAKE SURE WE'RE MEETING ANY OF THE INADEQUACIES.
IF WE HAVE AN ISSUE NOW, WE NEED TO FIX IT.
UM, SECOND IS WE WANNA PROVIDE PREVENTATIVE MAINTENANCE THAT WE'RE NOT SPENDING EXTRA MONEY DOWN THE LINE TO MAKE THOSE REPAIRS WHERE WE DON'T HAVE TO.
THIRD IS THAT WE ARE CONSTRUCTING ASPECT ASPECTS OF THOSE MAPS THAT WE TALKED ABOUT BEFORE THAT ARE INCOMPLETE.
YOU STILL HAVE A FEW LOCATIONS WHERE NOT ALL THE ROADS ARE THERE.
NOT ALL THE FACILITIES ARE THERE YET.
SO THAT WOULD BE ANOTHER CRITERIA YOU COULD LOOK AT.
UH, THE NEXT FOUR IS THAT IT'S PROMOTING SOME STRATEGIC OBJECTIVE OF ANOTHER PLAN, SUCH AS THE PARKS, TRAILS, RECREATION MASTER PLAN THAT YOU JUST SAW.
UH, E THERE IS THAT IT PROMOTES SOME ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT.
OBJECTIVE F IS THAT IT IMPROVES TECHNOLOGY IMPROVEMENTS AND INNOVATIVE SOLUTIONS TO SUPPORT CITY FACILITY AND OPERATIONS.
SO TECHNICALLY THERE ARE TECH ASPECTS OF WHAT THE, WHAT'S ADOPTED BY THE C I P EVERY YEAR.
AND THEN LASTLY, WHERE WE CAN COORDINATE PUBLIC INVESTMENT WITH PRIVATE REINVESTMENT IN THOSE PREFERRED GROWTH AND RE REDEVELOPMENT LOCATIONS.
AND THEN BEYOND JUST THAT, UH, THE CITY DOES HAVE A RESPONSIBILITY THAT WHEN WE'RE PREPARING THE C I P TO LOOK AT HOW IT AFFECTS THE CITY AS A WHOLE.
SO CONSIDERING THE CONDITIONS, IS IT DISTRIBUTED EQUITABLY? ARE WE CONSIDERING ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACTS LONG-TERM RESILIENCY AND SUSTAINABILITY, HEALTH AND SAFETY BENEFITS TO THE COMMUNITY AND COST EFFECTIVENESS, PUT ALL THOSE IN A PILE.
ARE WE MEETING THOSE GOALS? AND THE LAST FOUR ARE EXISTING ACTIONS IN THE CONFERENCE PLAN.
I WON'T COVER THOSE, BUT THOSE ARE MORE OPERATION RELATED.
AND THAT'S TO CONCLUDES MY PRESENTATION.
STAFF DOES RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF THESE AMENDMENTS.
I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU MAY HAVE.
UM, I HAVE A QUESTION THAT, UM, AND I'M NOT SURE IT'S SOMETHING THAT NEEDS TO BE EDITED IN HERE, BUT JUST READING ITEM NINE, WORK WITH PRIVATE UTILITY PROVIDERS TO ENSURE ORDINANCES POLICIES CAN ACCOMMODATE INNOVATIVE SERVICE TECHNOLOGIES.
UM, AND I'M NOT SURE THIS REALLY FALLS INTO THAT, UH, CATEGORY, BUT IN CERTAIN AREAS OF THE CITY, YOU MAY HAVE ONLY ACCESS TO ONE INTERNET PROVIDER, FOR EXAMPLE.
UH, OR YOU'RE DRIVING DOWN THE ROAD AND THERE'S A TELEPHONE POLE THAT'S HANGING OUT WAY OUT OVER THE STREET.
I, I THINK I'D BE INTERESTED IN KNOWING WHAT, IF ANY LEVERAGE DOES THE CITY HAVE OR ANYWHERE IN OUR ACTIONS, DO WE HAVE THE ABILITY TO SAY WE'RE GONNA WORK HARDER TO PROVIDE MORE OPTIONS TO THE COMMUNITY? AND WHETHER IT BE INTERNET SERVICE PROVIDERS OR CABLE OR WHATEVER IT IS.
AND I DON'T, AGAIN, I'M, I'M, THAT'S PROBABLY MORE AT THE COUNCIL LEVEL.
UH, BUT I'D BE INTERESTED IN KNOWING THAT BECAUSE IT SEEMS LIKE IN A CITY LIKE OURS THAT YOU SHOULD HAVE MULTIPLE OPTIONS.
AND THERE'S AREAS OF THE CITY WHERE YOU DON'T, YOU, YOU GOT ONE CHOICE FOR INTERNET.
AND IT JUST SEEMS ODD THAT, THAT WE FIND OURSELVES IN THAT POSITION.
SO WHEN I'M LOOKING AT OUR FACILITIES, INFRASTRUCTURE AND EVERYTHING ELSE, I THINK ABOUT IT IN TERMS OF WHAT'S PROVIDED TO THE ENTIRE CITY.
NOT JUST THE OPERATIONS SIDE, BUT TO THE CITIZENS AS A WHOLE.
SO, ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? I GUESS IT WAS MORE OF A STATEMENT THAN A QUESTION.
UH, COMMISSIONER TOM, I SPEAK BY TO NO, 10 ALSO DOESN'T WORK.
YEAH, I HAVE A COUPLE QUESTIONS.
ONE IS THAT MAYBE I MISSED IT.
WHICH YEAR ARE WE IN THAT FIVE YEAR, UH, DURATION? WE'RE TALKING ABOUT ARE WE IN THE FIFTH YEAR OF THIS? SO EVERY YEAR WE ADOPT THE NEXT FIVE YEARS, BUT THE FIRST YEAR IS EVERY YEAR IS FIVE YEAR.
BUT THE FIRST YEAR IS THE, IS PART OF THE CITY'S BUDGET FOR THE UPCOMING YEAR.
SO THE NEXT YEAR WE COME AROUND AND ADOPT THE NEXT YEAR'S BUDGET.
WE'RE NOT DOING FIVE AND FIVE.
UH, MR. LYLE ON F 14, CAN YOU GO THERE? THERE WAS A, B, AND C.
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THE ORDER THAT THOSE GET CARRIED OUT IN? I KNOW WE'VE GOT A THOROUGHFARE PLAN COMING, AND I NOTICED THAT THOROUGHFARE PLAN MAP IS DOWN THERE.AND SO LIKE CONSTRUCT ASPECTS OF THAT.
WHAT BODY DETERMINES THE ORDER OF A, B, AND C HERE? SO THESE ARE NOT LISTED IN ANY PRIORITY ORDER.
IT'S INTENDED FOR GUIDANCE TO THE COMMISSION AND COUNCIL TO, TO WEIGH THOSE OPTIONS EACH YEAR.
MY SECOND QUESTION CAME BACK TO.
I WANTED TO PIGGYBACK, UM, UH, THE CHAIRMAN'S QUESTION REGARDING THE, UM, COVERAGE, YOU KNOW, LIKE INTERNET OR, OR WIFI.
CUZ I KNOW IN EUROPE, UM, THE, YOU KNOW, TARGET CONTINENT, THEY HAVE WIFI COVERAGE.
IS THERE ANY POSSIBILITY OR IS IT SOMETHING THAT WE ARE, WE CAN DO TO SAY THAT IN OUR CITY, WE CAN COVER AN ENTIRE CITY WITH THE WIFI NETWORK? YEAH, WE DO HAVE A DEPARTMENT OF GOVERNMENTAL RELATIONS.
THEY DO WORK WITH UTILITY PROVIDERS, UM, TO LOOK AT OPTIONS THROUGHOUT THE CITY.
I, I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE ROLE IS OR HOW MUCH THEY CAN REALLY, UM, REQUEST SERVICES BE PROVIDED, BUT WE DO HAVE A, A DEPARTMENT THAT DOES LOOK INTO THOSE SITUATIONS.
WHICH DEPARTMENT IS THAT? GOVERNMENTAL RELATIONS.
UM, WHAT IF THE CHAIRMAN'S SUGGESTION, FOR EXAMPLE, THAT WHY DO WE ONLY HAVE ONE INTERNET PROVIDER IN CERTAIN PARTS OF THE CITY HAD NOT COME FROM THE CHAIR OF THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION, BUT HAD COME FROM JOHN SMITH PRIVATE CITIZEN? THIS PLAN SEEMS TO DEAL WITH, YOU KNOW, BROAD, SORT OF A MACRO VIEW OF GENERAL OVER OVERARCHING POLICIES.
BUT I'M WONDERING IF IT INCLUDES AN INSTITUTIONALIZED METHOD OF RESPONDING TO THE CITIZENS WHO MAY POINT OUT NEEDS TO THE CITY IN THEIR PRIVATE CAPACITY AND, AND FOR THE CITY TO RESPOND TO THOSE REQUESTS.
UM, I'M, I'M CONFIDENT THERE IS A PROCESS IN PLACE.
THEY DON'T COME TO OUR DEPARTMENT DIRECTLY.
IF WE GET QUESTIONS FROM THE CONFERENCE ABOUT, LIKE, SAY THEY SEND AN EMAIL TO THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN EMAIL ADDRESS MM-HMM.
UM, BUT THERE'S NOT A, THIS, THIS PLAN ITSELF DOES NOT ESTABLISH THAT COMMUNICATION FRAMEWORK.
IF, IF THAT'S AN ACTION YOU THINK NEEDS TO COME ABOUT.
THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN IS THE PLACE TO SET THE TO-DO LIST.
SO IF THAT IS SOMETHING THAT WANTS TO BE ON THE TO-DO LIST, WE COULD CERTAINLY ADD IT.
DO WE HAVE ANY SPEAKERS? NO, WE DO NOT.
I WILL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING.
UM, I MAY, WE APPROVE THE REPORT AS PRESENTED AND GREAT WORK BY THE STAFF.
SO MOTION BY COMMISSIONER RAAF, SECOND BY COMMISSIONER BROSKI HAND VOTE.
SO NOW WE'RE MOVING ON TO NON-PUBLIC HEARING ITEM, AND WE WOULD GO TO ITEM NINE.
[9. (DS) Discussion and Action - Revised Conveyance Plat, Preliminary Site Plan, and Concept Plan, and Consideration to Waive One or More Requirements of the Zoning Ordinance: Challenger School Addition, Block A, Lots 2 & 3 - Office showroom/warehouse on two lots on 33.3 acres located at the southeast corner of State Highway 121 and Gillespie Drive. Zoned Regional Employment and Regional Commercial and located within the State Highway 121 Overlay District. Projects #RCOP2023-003, #PSP2023-004, and #CP2023-005. Applicants: 121 Gillespie, LLC and Inde121 Lebanon, LLC (Legislative for the Commission’s consideration of variance(s); administrative consideration for all other Commission approvals)]
NINE IS DISCUSSION AND ACTION REVISED CONVEYANCE PLAT, PRELIMINARY SITE PLAN AND CONCEPT PLAN AND CONSIDERATION TO WAIVE ONE OR MORE REQUIREMENTS OF THE ZONING ORDINANCE.CHALLENGER SCHOOL EDITION BLOCK A LOTS TWO AND THREE OFFICE SHOWROOM WAREHOUSE ON TWO LOTS ON 33.3 ACRES LOCATED AT THE SOUTHEAST CORNER OF STATE HIGHWAY 1 21 AND GILLESPIE DRIVE, ZONED REGIONAL EMPLOYMENT AND REGIONAL COMMERCIAL AND LOCATED WITHIN THE STATE HIGHWAY 1 21 OVERLAY DISTRICT.
APPLICANT IS 1 21 GILLESPIE, L L C AND INDY 1 21 LEBANON, L L C.
THIS IS FOR LEGISLATIVE, FOR, UH, LEGISLATIVE FOR THE COMMISSION'S CONSIDERATION OF VARIANCES.
ADMINISTRATIVE CONSIDERATION FOR ALL OTHER COMMISSION APPROVALS.
THE APPLICANT IS PROPOSING, UH, TO DEVOLVE AN OFFICE SHOWROOM WAREHOUSE ON THIS PROPERTY.
THE ZONING ORDINANCE REQUIRES A SIX FOOT, UM, TALL MASONRY WALL TO SCREEN THE REAR AND SERVICE SIDES OF THE NON-RESIDENTIAL BUILDINGS ORIENTED TOWARDS THE RESIDENTIAL USES.
THIS PROPERTY IS SITUATED ON THE NORTH SIDE OF THE RESIDENTIAL USE WITH A FLOOD FLOOD PLAIN BUFFERING THESE TWO USES.
THE APPLICANT PROPOSES TO UTILIZE THE EXISTING TREE CANOPY AS A SCREENING AND SUPPLEMENT THE EXISTING CANOPY TREE WITH EIGHT FOOT TALL EASTERN RED CEDAR TO ENSURE AN EFFECTIVE, UH, EVER SCR EVERGREEN SCREENING.
AND ALSO THE APPLICANT, UH, WILL REQUIRE TO MAINTAIN THE TREES IN A HEALTHY CONDITION.
WITH THAT STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF THE REVISED CONVEYANCE PLAT, UH, PRELIMINARY
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SITE PLAN AND THE CONCEPT PLAN SUBJECT TO THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION, FINDING THAT THE LIVING SCREENING WITH PLAN MATERIALS APPROVED BY THE PLANNING AND ENGINEERING DEPARTMENTS WILL BE PROVIDE, WILL PROVIDE BETTER SCREENING AND GRANT A WAIVER TO THE MASONRY SCREENING WHILE REQUIREMENT ALONG THE SOUTHERN PROPERTY LINE AND SUBJECT TO FIRE DEPARTMENT APPROVAL OF A VARIANCE TO THE MAXIMUM 1,200 FOOT FIRE LANE REQUIREMENT.I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU MIGHT HAVE.
ANY QUESTIONS, MR. BERNOFF? CORRECT.
THE QUESTION WAS, DOES RED CEDAR GROW INTO A SOLID SCREEN? AND THE ANSWER WAS YES.
MR. OLLIE JUST HAVE QUESTION, UH, FIRE DEPARTMENT APPROVAL OF A VARIANCE.
CAN YOU EXPAND ON THAT? UM, I WISH FIRE, UH, DEPARTMENT WAS HERE, BUT I GUESS MR. HILL CAN ELABORATE ON THAT.
UH, MS. PILATE, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU COULD FIND THE SITE PLAN GRAPHIC.
IF YOU GO TO THE OTHER, THE PRELIMINARY SITE PLAN, SO THIS IS THE PROPOSED PRELIMINARY SITE PLAN.
YOU CAN SEE THE GRAY OUTLINE AROUND THE BUILDING IS THE FIRE LANE.
UH, FIRE DEPARTMENT HAS A MAXIMUM 1200 FOOT LENGTH FOR THEIR FIRE LANES WITHOUT, UM, A BREAK AND, AND ANOTHER, UH, ACCESS POINT THAT CONNECTS IT.
UH, SO THE APPLICANT'S REQUESTING A VARIANCE TO THAT.
THE FIRE DEPARTMENT CONSIDERS THINGS LIKE, UH, SPRINKLER SYSTEMS IN THE BUILDINGS, UH, SPACING OF FIRE HYDRANTS AND OTHER OPTIONS, WHETHER THEY WILL CONSIDER THAT VARIANCE.
MR. LALE, IS THERE A REQUIREMENT ON THE, THE PLANTING DISTANCE BETWEEN THE EASTERN RED SEEDERS OR IS IT, JUST GO AHEAD.
SO WHEN THEY SUBMIT A LANDSCAPE PLAN, STAFF WILL REVIEW THE SPACING BETWEEN THE TREES AS WELL AS, YOU KNOW, EASTERN RED CEDARS TEND TO HAVE A LARGER BASE, AND IF THIS COMMISSION DETERMINED THAT THE EXISTING FLOOD PLAIN AND THE EXISTING TREES THAT WERE THERE IS SUFFICIENT, CAN WE WAVE IT COMPLETELY THERE? I MEAN, I, I MEASURED, IT LOOKS LIKE THERE'S 120 FEET AT THE SMALLEST POINT BETWEEN A RESIDENTIAL LOT AND THERE'S 120 FEET OF FLOODPLAIN WITH EXISTING SOLID TREES THAT ARE ALREADY THERE ESTABLISHED.
AND SO I WOULD BE IN SUPPORT OF SAYING THAT WHAT IS THERE EXISTING IS SUFFICIENT.
THERE'S NO REASON TO GO REQUIRE SOMEONE TO PLANT ANOTHER LAYER OF SHRUBS AND TREES.
PLEASE NOTE THAT EASTERN RED CEDARS ARE, UM, EVERGREEN, BUT THE CURRENT CANOPY IS CONSISTED OF BOTH DECIDUOUS AND EVERGREEN TREES.
BUT AGAIN, MR. HILL, IF YOU WANT RIGHT, THE APPLICANT'S GONNA DO A LANDSCAPE PLAN WITH A SPECIFIC TREE SURVEY.
SO WE'LL JUST REVIEW IT AND MAKE SURE THAT EVERYTHING IS SOLID AND EVERGREEN WHERE IT NEEDS TO BE.
IF THERE ARE AREAS THAT NEED TO BE SUPPLEMENTED, THAT'S WHY WE ADDED THAT INFORMATION.
BUT IF IT'S SOLID AND EVERGREEN, WE, WE DON'T REQUIRE THEM TO PLANT ADDITIONAL PLANTINGS.
SO IT'S POSSIBLE THAT ONCE THEY SHOW YOU WHAT'S THERE, YOU'LL SAY YOU DON'T NEED ANYTHING.
ANYONE ELSE? OKAY, THIS IS A NON-PUBLIC HEARING ITEM.
DO WE HAVE ANYONE ELSE THAT WANTED TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM? UH, NO, WE DO.
UH, THE APPLICANTS ARE HERE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS FROM THE COMMISSION.
ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE A? OKAY.
I MOVE THAT WE APPROVE ITEM EIGHT, UH, INCLUDING THE SUBSTITUTION OF A LIVING SCREEN FOR THE MASONRY WALL SUBJECT TO THE FIRE DEPARTMENT APPROVAL OF A VARIANCE TO THE MAXIMUM 1200 FOOT FIRE LANE REQUIREMENT.
I, I AMEND MY MOTION TO REFER TO ITEM NINE.
SO MOTION BY COMMISSIONER BRONSKI.
UM, I, I THINK I WANT TO CLARIFY THERE THAT IT'S THE LIVING SCREEN.
UM, IT'S A GRANTING A WAIVER TO THE MASONRY SCREENING LAW REQUIREMENT.
JUST SOMETHING A LITTLE MORE CLEAR TO THE RECOMMENDED SUBJECT TO, AND THE FIRE DEPARTMENT.
SO IN SECOND BY COMMISSIONER TOM, I'M SURE THAT'S CLEAR AS MUD, BUT WE APPROVE WHAT THE STAFF'S RECOMMENDING.
UM, SHOULD WE TRY 'EM? ALL RIGHT.
SO WE'RE GONNA SKIP THE, THE VOTE SCREEN.
SO NOW WE'RE MOVING ON TO ITEM 11, SINCE WE'D ALREADY COVERED 10.
[11. (RP) Discussion and Action - Conveyance Plat, Final Plat, and Revised Site Plan, and Consideration of Subdivision Ordinance Variances: Rowlett Creek Regional Wastewater Treatment Plant, Block 1, Lots 1 & 2 - Sewage treatment plant and vacant lot on two lots on 26.6 acres located at the northeast corner of 14th Street and Los Rios Boulevard. Zoned Agricultural with Specific Use Permit No. 4 for Sewage Treatment Plant. Projects #COP2022-004, #FP2022-027, and #RSP2022-067. Applicant: North Texas Municipal Water District (Legislative for the Commission’s consideration of variance(s); administrative consideration for all other Commission approvals)]
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PLAT, FINAL PLAT AND REVISED SITE PLAN AND CONSIDERATION OF SUB SUBDIVISION ORDINANCE EXPERIENCES, ROULETTE CREEK REGIONAL WASTEWATER TREATMENT PLANT BLOCK ONE, LOTS, ONE AND TWO SEWAGE TREATMENT PLANT AND VACANT LOT ON TWO LOTS ON 26.6 ACRES, LOCATED AT THE NORTHEAST CORNER OF 14TH STREET AND LAS RIOS BOULEVARD, ZONED AGRICULTURAL WITH SPECIFIC USE PERMIT NUMBER FOUR FOR SEWAGE TREATMENT PLANT APPLICANT IS NORTH TEXAS MUNICIPAL WATER DISTRICT.AGAIN, THIS IS LEGISLATIVE FOR THE COMMISSIONER'S CONSIDERATION OF VARIANCES, ADMINISTRATIVE CONSIDERATION FOR ALL OTHER COMMISSION APPROVALS.
IN THE INTEREST OF TIME, I TRY TO, UM, READ THROUGH MY NOTES REALLY QUICKLY SINCE I HAVE, UM, QUITE A LITTLE BIT.
THE PURPOSE OF THIS PROJECT IS TO ADD A NEW OPERATIONS BUILDING ALONG THE SOUTHERN PROPERTY LINE OF LOT ONE, AND TO PROPOSE ADDITIONAL MECHANICAL AND OTHER SITE IMPROVEMENTS WITHIN THE EXISTING BOUNDARIES OF THIS SWISS TREATMENT PLANT.
IN ADDITION, THE PURPOSE FOR THE FINAL PLAID AND THE CONVEYANCE PLAT IS TO ESTABLISH LOT LINES AND DEDICATE EASEMENTS AS THIS PROPERTY WAS NEVER PLATTED.
WITH THIS PROJECT, THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING NECESSARY VARIANCES FROM THE SUBDIVISION ORDINANCE, ZONING ORDINANCE, AND THE STORM WATER DESIGN MANUAL.
TO GIVE YOU A BRIEF OVERVIEW OF THE SITE, CITY OF PLANO STARTED THE CONSTRUCTION OF THE SWISH TREATMENT PLANT ON LOT ONE IN 1959.
IN 1971, A SPECIFIC USE PERMIT WAS GRANTED FOR THE USE OF SWISH TREATMENT PLANT.
IN 1975, PLANT INFRA INFRASTRUCTURE WAS SOLD TO NORTH TEXAS MUNICIPAL WATER DISTRICT, AND THE STRUCTURE ON LOT TWO WERE ADDED IN 1980.
AS PART OF THE PLANT EXPANSION IN 2019, CITY OF PLANO CONVEYED LAND TO NORTH TEXAS MUNICIPAL WATER DISTRICT.
DURING DISCUSSIONS OF LAND CONVEYANCE, THE DISTRICT EXPRESSED A NEED TO CONSTRUCT A NEW STORY, NEW ONE STORY OFFICE BUILDING ON THE CITY OWNED LAND ALONG THE EAST SIDE OF THE LOS RIOS BOULEVARD, WITH NO ADDITIONAL TREATMENT UNITS BEING CONSTRUCTED ON THE PROPERTY.
THEREFORE, IN 2021, THE APPLICANT REQUESTED TO EXPAND THE SPECIFIC USE PERMIT.
NUMBER FOUR, HOWEVER, CITY COUNCIL DENIED THE REQUEST.
IN SUMMARY, THE PLANT HAS UNDERGONE THREE SIGNIFICANT UPGRADES.
HOWEVER, ACCORDING TO DISTRICT REPRESENTATIVES, THERE ARE NO PLANS TO INCREASE THE AVERAGE CAPACITY OF THE PLANT.
AND THE PROPOSED CHANGES CURRENTLY REQUESTED WILL NOT ALTER THE AVERAGE PLANNED CAPACITY.
AS MENTIONED BEFORE, THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING VARIANCES FROM THE SUBDIVISION ORDINANCE, ZONING ORDINANCE, AND STORM WATER DESIGN MANUAL.
REGARDING THE VARIANCE REQUESTED FROM SUBDIVISION ORDINANCE, THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING A VARIANCE FROM A ONE, A MINIMUM OF 150 FOOT FRONTAGE REQUIREMENT ALONG PUBLIC STREET, AND A MINIMUM OF ONE POINT OF ACCESS REQUIREMENT TO THE PUBLIC STREET, AS WELL AS THE SITE CURRENTLY DOESN'T HAVE FRONTAGE NOR DIRECT POINT OF ACCESS TO THE PUBLIC STREET.
WITH THIS SI, WITH THIS SLIDE, I WILL GO OVER THE SUBDIVISION OR ORDINANCE VARIANCE REQUEST, UM, CRITERIA PER CRITERIA STATED IN SUBDIVISION SUBSECTION ONE POINT 11 OF ARTICLE ONE OF THE SUBDIVISION ORDINANCE.
AS FOR THE FRONTAGE, DUE TO THE CONFIGURATION OF THE PLANT AND THE EXISTING ZONING BOUNDARIES, THERE IS NO OPPORTUNITY TO GAIN FRONTAGE ON PUBLIC STREET FOR THE ACCESS THE SEWAGE TREATMENT PLAN.
THE ACCESS TO THE SEWAGE TREATMENT PLAN OCCURS VIA AN EXISTING OFFSITE DRIVE THAT CONNECTS TO LOS RIOS BOULEVARD AND A PROPOSED DRIVEWAY THAT WILL BE CONSTRUCTED TO CONNECT TO 14TH STREET TO ENSURE ACCC, UM, SORRY, 14TH STREET.
THESE CONNECTIONS ARE THROUGH ADJACENT PROPERTIES AND EASEMENTS ARE PROPOSED TO BE DEDICATED TO ENSURE ACCESS REMAINS AVAILABLE.
THE CITY'S TRANSPORTATION ENGINEERING STAFF SUPPORTS THE PROPOSED ACCESS CONDITIONS AND INDICATES SUFFICIENT TRAFFIC SAFETY.
FIRE DEPARTMENT STAFF HAVE ALSO REVIEWED THE REVISED SITE PLAN AND PLA, AND HAVE INDICATED THAT THE FIRE PROTECTION IS SUFFICIENT.
AS FOR THE FLOOD PLAIN, THE CITY'S ENGINEERING DEPARTMENT HAS REVIEWED THE PROPOSED STRUCTURE AND HAS DETERMINED THAT THE IMPROVEMENTS DO NOT HAVE A DETRIMENTAL IMPACT ON THE FLOW OF FLOOD WATER THROUGH THE SITE.
THE PURPOSE OF THE SUB STRUCTURE WILL BE FOR THE TREATMENT OF WASTEWATER.
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ADDITIONALLY, THE PROPERTY OWNER WILL PERFORM ANY NECESSARY MAINTENANCE OF THE DRAINAGE AND FLOODWAY EASEMENTS.BASED UPON THE ABOVE INFORMATION GRANTING THE VARIANCE WILL NOT BE DETRIMENTAL TO THE PUBLIC SAFETY, HEALTH OR WELFARE OR INJURIOUS TO THE OTHER PROPERTY.
MOVING ON TO CRITERIA NUMBER TWO.
WHEN THE CITY OF PLANO INITIALLY STARTED THE CONSTRUCTION OF THE SWISH TREATMENT PLANT IN 1950S, LOS RIOS BOULEVARD WAS NOT CONSTRUCTED.
IN 1975, THE PROPERTY THAT INCLUDED THE PLANT WAS CONVEYED TO THE DISTRICT WITHOUT STREET FRONTAGE AND THE DIRECT AC DIRECT ACCESS TO THE PUBLIC RIGHT OF WAY.
THE ACCESS ON FRONTAGE CONDITIONS ARE UNIQUE, ARE UNIQUE PROPERTY CONDITIONS THAT HAVE EVOLVED AS THE PLANT HAS BEEN CONSTRUCTED, AND THE UNDERLYING PROPERTY HAS CHANGED HANDS OVER THE YEARS.
THOUGH ABSOLUTELY CRITICAL INFRASTRUCTURE, THE PLACEMENTS OF SWISH TREATMENT FACILITIES IS CHALLENGING.
SWISH TREATMENT IS BEST DESIGNED IN LOW LAYING LOCATIONS, PLACING INFRASTRUCTURE IN AN AREA SUPPORTED BY NATURAL TOPOGRAPHY.
THIS SU THE, THIS SITUATION IS UNIQUE TO THIS PROPERTY AND SHOULD BE RECOGNIZED AS DISTINCT FROM OTHER DEVELOPMENT SITUATIONS WHERE TYPICALLY HIGHER GROUNDS IS MORE DESIRABLE DEVELOPMENT CONDITION.
ADDITIONALLY, THE TREATMENT PLAN IS REGULATED BY THE STATE OF TEXAS REGARDING HEALTH AND SAFETY CONSIDERATIONS.
THE SUBJECT, AS FOR CRITERIA NUMBER THREE, THE SUBJECT CRITER, UH, PROPERTY IS CURRENTLY DEVELOPED AND CONSTRAINED BY THE EXISTING PLANT IMPROVEMENTS AND ADJACENT PROPERTIES DUE TO THE EXISTING SPECIFIC USE PERMIT, THERE ARE NO OPPORTUNITIES TO PERMIT THE PLAN'S BOUNDARIES AND IMPROVEMENTS MUST ACCOMMODATE WITHIN THE SITE.
A HARDSHIP WOULD RESULT IF STREET LETTER OF REGULATION WERE CARRIED O OUT.
IN THAT INSTANCE, THE DISTRICT COULD NOT CONSTRUCT IMPROVEMENTS TO THE EXISTING FACILITIES WITHIN THE PROPERTY.
SEWER TREATMENT CAPACITY FOR MUCH, FOR MUCH OF PLANO COULD BE IMPACTED, AND EFFORTS TO MODERNIZE THE SITE COULD BE HINDERED.
AS FOR CRITERIA NUMBER FOUR, THERE REQUESTED VARIANCES DO NOT VARY FROM THE PROVISIONS OF ZONING ORDINANCE OR THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
THE VARIANCES WILL RETAIN EXISTING SITE CONDITIONS WHILE CONSISTENT WITH THE CITY'S STANDARDS.
AS A STATED IN STAFF REPORT, UM, THE APPLICANT IS ALSO REQUESTING VARIANCES FROM THE SETBACKS OF THE AGRICULTURAL ZONING DISTRICT AND IS SUBJECT TO THE BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT APPROVAL OF THOSE VARIANCES, WHICH I AM NOT GOING INTO THE DETAILS OF THOSE VARIANCE REQUESTS.
AS FOR, UH, THE VARIANCE REQUEST, UH, FROM STORMWATER DESIGN MANUAL VARIANCE, THE CITY'S STORMWATER DESIGN MANUAL, UM, INCLUDES RESTRICTION ON DEVELOPMENT AND REDEVELOPMENT WITHIN A FLOOD PLAIN.
THIS REQUEST INCLUDES EXISTING AND PROPOSED IMPROVE IMPROVEMENTS WITHIN THE FLOOD PLAIN, AS SHOWN IN THE REVISED SITE PLAN TO ACCOMPANY THE SUBDIVISION ORDINANCE VARIANCE REQUEST MENTIONED PREVIOUSLY, THE APPLICANT ALSO REQUESTS A VARIANCE TO SECTION 4.21 OF ARTICLE FOUR OF THE CITY'S STORMWATER DESIGN MANUAL REGARDING MINIMUM LOT AND FLOOR ELEVATION.
THIS VARIANCE REQUEST WILL NEED TO BE ACTED UPON BY CITY COUNCIL.
AND TO CONCLUDE, MY PRESENTATION, STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF THIS PROJECT, UM, SUBJECT TO THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION GRANTING VARIANCES TO SECTION 5.2 LOT DESIGN AND IMPROVEMENTS OF ARTICLE FIVE, REQUIREMENTS FOR PUBLIC IMPROVEMENTS, RESERVATIONS AND DESIGN OF THE SUBDIVISION ORDINANCE FOR FRONTAGE AND DIRECT ACCESS TO A PUBLIC STREET AND SECTION 5.6 DRAINAGE STORM SEWER AND PERMANENT BEST MANAGEMENT PRACTICES OF ARTICLE FIVE, REQUIREMENTS FOR PUBLIC IMPROVEMENTS, UH, RESERVATIONS AND DESIGN OF THE SUBDIVISION ORDINANCE FOR IMPROVEMENTS WITHIN A DRAINAGE AND FLOODWAY EASEMENT AS OUTLINED IN THIS REPORT AND SHOWN ON THE ASSOCIATED DOCUMENTS, AND ALSO SUBJECT TO THE BOARD OF THIS FROM SUB, UH, SUBSECTION NINE POINT 200.3 AREA YARD, AND BOTH REQUIREMENTS OF SECTION 9.2 HUNDRED AGRICULTURAL DISTRICT OF THE ZONING ORDINANCE FOR THE EXISTING AND PROPOSED IMPROVEMENTS AS SHOWN ON THE ASSOCIATED DOCUMENTS.
AND ALSO THE CITY COUNCIL GRANTING A VARIANCE TO SECTION 4.2 0.1 OF THE STORMWATER DESIGN MANUAL FOR IMPROVEMENTS WITHIN A DRAINAGE AND FLOODWAY
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EASEMENT AS SHOWN ON THE ASSOCIATED DOCUMENT.BUT THAT I, I CONCLUDE MY PRESENTATION.
I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU MIGHT HAVE.
ALSO, THE APPLICANT IS AVAILABLE FOR TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS QUESTION.
I WAS GONNA SAY, I MOVE THAT WE APPROVE THIS SUBJECT TO THE RECOMMENDATION.
WAIT FOR, I THINK WE HAVE, OH, I'M SORRY.
OH, CAN WE ASK THE APPLICANT A QUESTION? YEAH.
IT, IT'S A NON-PUBLIC HEARING, BUT THEY'RE HERE SPECIFICALLY TO ANSWER QUESTIONS.
ON THE TOP OF PAGE SIX, IT SAYS THAT SEWER TREATMENT CAPACITY FOR MUCH OF PLAINTIFF COULD BE IMPACTED IN EFFORTS TO MODERNIZE THE SITE, MITIGATING NUISANCES SUCH AS ODOR COULD BE HINDERED, IS, DO Y'ALL HAVE ACTUAL PLANS TO MITIGATE THE ODOR THERE? YEAH, SO I DON'T, WE HAVE A PRESENTATION AS WELL, BUT, SO, UM, UH, TO ANSWER THAT QUESTION, THE SITE CURRENTLY HAS, UH, ODOR CONTROL FACILITIES THROUGHOUT.
ONE OF THE IMPROVEMENTS WE'RE MAKING AS PART OF THE SITE PLAN, UM, IS TO MODIFY OUR EXISTING, UM, SLUDGE HANDLING, UM, FACILITY.
SO CURRENTLY THE SLEDGE HANDLING TAKES PLACE INSIDE OF A BUILDING WITH A PROCESS THAT'S KNOWN AS A BELT FILTER PRESS.
SO THINK OF, UH, TWO BELTS SQUISHING THE SLUDGE TOGETHER.
WE'RE GONNA MOVE TOWARDS A TECHNOLOGY THAT'S CALLED A CENTRIFUGE.
SO THE SLUDGE WOULD GO INTO, THINK ABOUT A DRYER OR WASHING MACHINE THAT SPINS REALLY FAST, BUT THAT'S TOTALLY ENCLOSED PROCESS AS OPPOSED TO AN, TO AN OPEN PROCESS.
UM, SO THE ODOR CONTROL WOULD BE ON THE DEVICES AS OPPOSED TO TRYING TO CONTROL THE WHOLE BUILDING.
JUST FOR THE RECORD, COULD I HAVE YOU STATE YOUR NAME, PLEASE? MY NAME IS MARK SIMON.
I'M ASSISTANT DEPUTY FOR ENGINEERING FOR NORTH TEXAS MUNICIPAL WATER DISTRICT.
MR. BRUNO, DO YOU HAVE A QUESTION? NO, JUST READY TO MAKE A MOTION WHENEVER YOU'RE READY.
LET'S THE, I'M GONNA MAKE THE MOTION ONLY BECAUSE AFTER SPEAKING WITH HER, I THINK THERE'S A SPECIFIC SEQUENCE THAT WE NEED TO GO THROUGH ATION ON THAT.
WELL, IF, IF, IF, IF WE NEEDED IT.
I DON'T KNOW THAT WE NEEDED AT THIS POINT, POINT.
YEAH, THERE'S NO MORE INFORMATION THAN WHAT YOU PROVIDED OTHER THAN RIGHT.
AND I, I APPRECIATE YOU GUYS STAYING LATE.
UM, IF I HAD REALIZED MAYBE THAT'S WHAT YOU WERE HERE FOR, WE MIGHT HAVE GONE THROUGH THIS ONE EARLIER AS WELL.
SO, UH, I, I'M GONNA MAKE THE MOTION ONLY BECAUSE AFTER DISCUSSION WITH, WITH MICHELLE, SO I MOVE, WE GRANT VARIANCES TO SECTION 5.2 OF ARTICLE FIVE OF THE SUBDIVISION ORDINANCE FOR FRONTAGE AND DIRECT ACCESS TO A PUBLIC STREET.
AND SECTION 5.6 OF ARTICLE FIVE OF THE SUBDIVISION ORDINANCE FOR IMPROVEMENTS WITHIN A DRAINAGE AND FLOODWAY EASEMENT IS OUTLINED IN THIS REPORT AND SHOWN ON THE ASSOCIATED DOCUMENTS SUBJECT TO THE BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT GRANTING VARIANCES FROM SUBSECTION 9.20 0.3 OF SECTION 9.20 OF THE ZONING ORDINANCE FOR THE EXISTING AND PROPOSED IMPROVEMENTS IS SHOWN ON THE ASSOCIATED DOCUMENTS.
AND THE CITY COUNCIL GRANTING OF VARIANCE TO SECTION 4.2, 0.1 OF THE STORM ORDER DESIGN MANUAL FOR IMPROVEMENTS WITHIN A DRAINAGE AND FLOODWAY EASEMENT IS SHOWN ON THE ASSOCIATED DOCUMENTS.
SO WE HAVE A MOTION BY CHAIR DOWNS WITH A SECOND BY COMMISSIONER BRONSKI.
UH, SKIP THE BUTTONS, PLEASE VOTE, HAND VOTE.
AGAIN, THANK YOU, GENTLEMEN, FOR YOUR PATIENCE TONIGHT.
[12. (MK) Discussion and Action: Discussion and action with opportunity to call a public hearing pertaining to amending the Zoning Ordinance to consider the addition of a land use classification and associated restrictions for Pet Funeral Home and Crematory. Project #DI2023-012. Applicant: Alan and Rene Blakemore]
AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 12, DISCUSSION AND ACTION.DISCUSSION AND ACTION WITH OPPORTUNITY TO CALL A PUBLIC HEARING PERTAINING TO AMENDING THE ZONING ORDINANCE TO CONSIDER THE LA ADDITION OF A LAND USE CLASSIFICATION AND ASSOCIATED RESTRICTIONS FOR PET, FUNERAL, HOME AND CREMATORIUM.
APPLICANT IS ALLEN AND RENEE BLAKEMORE.
I'M MELISSA KLEIN, LEAD PLANNER WITH THE CITY OF PLANO.
SO THIS IS A DISCUSSION ITEM PERTAINING TO, UM, AMENDING THE ZONING ORDINANCE TO CONSIDER THE ADDITION OF A LAND USE CLASSIFICATION AND ASSOCIATED RESTRICTIONS FOR PET, FUNERAL, HOME AND CREMATORY.
SO THIS CAME ABOUT AS STAFF RECEIVED A REQUEST TO CONSIDER ALLOWING A USE FOR PET FUNERAL HOME AND CREMATORY.
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REQUESTED WOULD INCLUDE CREMATION AND FUNERAL SERVICES FOR CUSTOMERS, PETS, AND THE SERVICE MAY ALSO INCLUDE EUTHANASIA WHEN NEEDED, UTILIZING A MOBILE VETERINARY SERVICE.UH, WHILE THIS CAME ABOUT FROM A SPECIFIC REQUEST, IT SHOULD BE NOTED THAT ANY POTENTIAL AMENDMENTS TO THE ZONING ORDINANCE WOULD BE FOR PET, FUNERAL, HOME AND CREMATORIES IN GENERAL, AND ARE NOT SPECIFIC TO THIS INDIVIDUAL BUSINESS.
SO FOR STATE REGULATIONS, THE TEXAS ADMINISTRATIVE CODE PROVIDES REGULATIONS FOR ANIMAL CREMATORIES TO OPERATE IN THE STATE OF TEXAS.
THE CODE CONSIDERS ANIMAL CREMATORIES TO BE WASTE INCINERATORS AS ANIMAL CARCASSES ARE CONSIDERED MUNICIPAL SOLID WASTE.
A PERMIT ISSUED BY THE TEXAS COMMISSION ON ENVIRONMENTAL QUALITY IS REQUIRED TO OPERATE A WASTE INCINERATION FACILITY WITH ADDITIONAL REGULATIONS FOR ANIMAL CREMATORIES, INCLUDING IN INCINERATION AND STORAGE LIMITS, ASH CONTROL AND OTHER NUISANCE PREVENTION ISSUANCE OF AN AIR PERMIT TO ENSURE AIR POLLUTION CONTROL A BUFFER ZONE REQUIREMENT AND A LIMITATION ON OPERATING HOURS SPECIFIC TO PLANO, THE ZONING ORDINANCE INCLUDES FOUR USE CLASSIFICATIONS THAT ARE POTENTIALLY SIMILAR TO A PET FUNERAL HOME IN CREMATORY.
THESE INCLUDE MORTUARY, FUNERAL PARLOR, VETERINARY CLINIC, ASSEMBLY HALL, AND INDUSTRIAL USE, HAZARDOUS OR NUISANCE.
UH, THERE ARE, HOWEVER, UM, SOME ISSUES WITH EACH OF THESE USES.
A MORTUARY FUNERAL PARLOR IS SPECIFICALLY FOR THE STORAGE OF HUMAN BODIES AND DOES NOT ALLOW FOR THE STORAGE OF PETS.
ADDITIONALLY, CREMATION IS NOT PERMITTED UNDER THIS USE.
A VETERINARY CLINIC WOULD ALLOW FOR PROCEDURES RELATED TO MEDICAL TREATMENT SUCH AS EUTHANASIA, BUT DOES NOT PROVIDE FOR ONSITE FUNERAL SERVICES OR CREMATION.
AND ASSEMBLY HALL WOULD ALLOW FOR THE FUNERAL FACILITIES, BUT AGAIN, NO ONSITE CREMATION NOR THE EUTHANASIA.
THE INDUSTRIAL USE, UM, DOES ALIGN WITH THE STATE CLASSIFICATION OF A WASTE INCINERATION FACILITY, WHICH IS REQUIRED TO MEET THE STANDARDS FOR EMISSION ODOR, FIRE, AND OTHER ENVIRONMENTAL CONCERNS.
HOWEVER, THIS WOULD LIMIT AWARE OPERATIONS MAY LOCATE TO THE LIGHT COMMERCIAL AND LIGHT INDUSTRIAL TWO DISTRICTS, AND ONLY WITH A SPECIFIC USE PERMIT.
SO CURRENTLY IN PLANO COMMERCIAL, UM, ANIMAL CREMATION IS NOT PERMITTED.
VETERINARY CLINICS THAT PROVIDE THIS SERVICE USE OFFSITE FACILITIES.
THE CITY DOES HAVE A GOVERNMENT FACILITY CREMATORIUM CONNECTED TO ANIMAL SERVICES LOCATED AT THE ANIMAL SHELTER.
THIS IS LOCATED ON PROPERTY ZONE, LIGHT INDUSTRIAL, ONE PER THE ZONING ORDINANCE.
GOVERNMENT FACILITIES ARE ALLOWED BY RIGHT IN ALL ZONING DISTRICTS, BUT ARE OTHERWISE BOUND BY THE DEVELOPMENT REGULATIONS OF THE CITY EXCEPT OR SPECIFICALLY EXEMPTED BY LAW.
THIS CREMATORY, UM, DOES, IS PERMITTED BY, UH, T C E Q.
STAFF FOUND FOUR COMMUNITIES WHICH ALLOW FOR ANIMAL CREMATION.
UM, NEW HOPE, TEXAS, OKLAHOMA CITY, WACO, AND FORT WORTH.
NEW HOPE AND FORT WORTH ALLOW THE USE BY WRIGHT IN SPECIFIC ZONING DISTRICTS WHILE WACO AND OKLAHOMA CITY ALLOW THE USE ONLY BY A SPECIFIC USE PERMIT IN LIMITED DISTRICTS.
SO THE ZONING ORDINANCE DOES HAVE PERFORMANCE STANDARDS.
IT REGULATES PARTICULATES, ODOROUS MATTERS, AND TOXIC AND NOXIOUS MATTER.
STATE REGULATIONS APPLY ADDITIONAL RESTRICTIONS TO THE USES OPERATION, INCLUDING PREVENTATIVE MEASURES TO MITIGATE NUISANCES AND ENVIRONMENTAL CONCERNS.
LITTLE IS KNOWN ABOUT THE IMPACT OF THIS USE AT THIS TIME.
SINCE LAND USE PERMISSIONS ARE DIFFICULT TO RESTRICT RETROACTIVELY, IT MAY BE WISE TO TAKE A CONSERVATIVE APPROACH AND LIMIT THE USE, UM, UNTIL MORE IS KNOWN.
ONE APPROACH COULD POTENTIALLY BE ALLOWING A PET FUNERAL HOME AND CREMATORY TO OPERATE AS AN INDUSTRIAL USE, HAZARDOUS OR NUISANCE LIMITING THE USE TO THE TWO ZONING DISTRICTS AND REQUIRING A SPECIFIC USE PERMIT.
IF THE USE PROVES TO HAVE A MINIMAL IMPACT, THE CLASSIFICATION COULD BE REEVALUATED.
ON THE OTHER HAND, IF THE COMMISSION DOES FIND THAT PET FUNERAL HOME AND CREMATORY IS APPROPRIATE FOR PLANO AND DIRECT STAFF TO ADD A NEW USE, UM, FOR PET FUNERAL HOME AND CREMATORY TO THE ZONING ORDINANCE, A DRAFT DEFINITION WOULD BE CREATED FOR THE COMMISSIONING COUNCIL'S CONSIDERATION.
ADDITIONAL STANDARDS SUCH AS PARKING, WOULD ALSO NEED TO BE CONSIDERED A POTENTIAL DEFINITION, UM, IS SHOWN HERE.
THE INCURRING SERVICES INVOLVING THE PERMANENT DISPOSITION OF ANIMAL BODIES.
TYPICAL USES INCLUDE ANIMAL CEMETERIES AND ANIMAL CREMATORIUMS. UM, THE COMMISSION MAY ALSO WANT TO CONSIDER IF PET FUNERAL HOMES MAY BE APPROPRIATELY SEPARATE AND DISTINCT
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FROM CREMATORIES SIMILAR, UM, TO HOW FUNERAL HOMES ARE REGULATED TODAY.SO THE ZONING ORDINANCE COULD BE AMENDED, UM, AS SHOWN HERE TO REMOVE HUMAN FROM THE MORTUARY OR FUNERAL PARLER PARLOR DEFINITION AND REPLACE IT WITH DECEASED.
SO AT THIS TIME, STAFF IS SEEKING DIRECTION REGARDING THE PET FUNERAL HOME CREMATORY USE.
SPECIFICALLY STAFF WOULD LIKE THE COMMISSION TO CONSIDER THE FOLLOWING QUESTIONS.
UM, DOES THE PET FUNERAL HOME CREMATORY USE FIT WITHIN THE EXISTING DEFINITIONS IN THE ORDINANCE? IF SO, WHICH ONE? AND IF NOT, ARE CHANGES DESIRED TO ACCOMMODATE THIS USE? UM, SO UNDER THAT, SHOULD MORTUARY FUNERAL HOME BE AMENDED IN THE ZONING ORDINANCE TO INCORPORATE PET FUNERALS? UH, TWO, SHOULD CREMATORY BE ADDED AS A USE IN THE ZONING ORDINANCE? SHOULD IT INCLUDE HUMAN AND ANIMAL REMAINS OR ONLY ONE OR THE OTHER? UH, THREE.
SHOULD A USE EXPLICITLY FOR PET FUNERAL HOME DISCRIMINATORY BE ADDED, OR FOR SHOULD NO CHANGES BE MADE AT THIS TIME SO IT REMAIN UNLISTED AND DISALLOWED? SO, STAFF, UH, IS RECOMMENDING THAT THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION PROVIDE DIRECTION REGARDING PET FUNERAL HOME CREMATORY USES.
UH, THE COMMISSION MAY ALSO CALL A PUBLIC HEARING OF ANY CHANGES TO THE ZONING ORDINANCE ARE WARRANTED.
AND I WILL BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.
AND I BELIEVE THE APPLICANT MIGHT BE HERE AS WELL TO ANSWER QUESTIONS ABOUT THEIR SPECIFIC OPERATION.
QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? YOU ARE TRYING TO PUSH YOUR BUTTON, RIGHT? BUT IT'S NOT WORKING.
SO WE'LL GO WITH COMMISSIONER ALLEN.
SO WE DON'T HAVE CREMATORY SERVICES FOR HUMANS WITHIN THE CITY OF PLAINTIFF? NO, WE DON'T.
WHY? DO YOU HAVE ANY HISTORY WHY THAT WAS LEFT OFF PURPOSEFULLY, WASN'T CONSIDERED ANY HISTORY BEHIND THAT? I DID NOT LOOK INTO THE HISTORY OF THE HUMAN ASPECT OF, UM, UM, MORTUARY FUNERAL PARLOR.
SO I AM NOT POSITIVE AS TO WHY IT IS NOT PERMITTED.
UM, HAVE YOU HAD OCCASION TO MAYBE CHECK WITH OTHER CITIES THAT DO ALLOW PET CREMATIONS TO DETERMINE TO, TO GET SOME SPECIFIC INFORMATION ABOUT WHAT IMPACTS, IF ANY, THAT OPERATION WOULD HAVE ON, YOU KNOW, THE NEIGHBORHOOD, THE SURROUNDING AREAS, YOU KNOW, IN TERMS OF ODOR PARTICULATES, OR ANY SORT OF IMPACT ON THE SURROUNDING AREA? WE HAVE NOT SPECIFICALLY TALKED TO 'EM ABOUT IMPACTS TO THE SURROUNDING AREA.
WE JUST LOOKED AT WHERE THEY WERE PERMITTED AND UNDER WHAT REGULATIONS.
I MEAN, BEFORE, BEFORE I, YOU KNOW, TOOK A STAND ON THE CREMATION ASPECT OF THIS, I, I THINK I'D WANT TO KNOW MORE ABOUT, YOU KNOW, WHAT, WHAT HAPPENS WHEN YOU CREMATE A PET.
YOU KNOW, UH, THE GENTLEMAN UP THERE IS, UH, OFFERING TO ANSWER THAT QUESTION.
PERHAPS WE CAN BRING HIM DOWN.
MR. CHAIRMAN, LET'S SEE IF WE HAVE ANY MORE QUESTIONS FOR STAFF.
FIRST, SPECIFICALLY, MR. LA, DO WE KNOW HOW OFTEN THE GOVERNMENT FACILITY IS USED TO CREMATE PETS OR ANIMALS, I SHOULD SAY? UM, DO YOU HAVE A SPECIFIC AMOUNT? I DON'T THINK SO.
I, I DON'T BELIEVE WE KNOW THAT WE COULD CONSULT WITH ANIMAL SERVICES THOUGH TO FIND OUT MORE.
I MEAN, I WOULD, UH, NO, I MEAN, IF IT'S DONE EVERY DAY AND WE'RE NOT HEARING ANY PROBLEMS ABOUT IT, WELL THAT WOULD GIVE US SOME INDICATION THAT THIS COULD BE DONE WITHOUT AN ISSUE.
AND THEN DO WE KNOW IF, IF THEY GO THROUGH THE PROCESS AND GET THE T E C Q UM, PERMIT, AS I THINK THEY WOULD BE REQUIRED TO DO, IS THERE ANYTHING THAT KEEPS THEM FROM INCINERATING, OTHER THINGS THAT ARE PERMITTED UNDER THAT PERMIT? IN OTHER WORDS, WE MAY SAY THIS IS OKAY AS A CREMATORIUM FOR PETS, BUT ONCE WE SAY OKAY TO THAT AND THEY HAVE A T E C CU PERMIT THAT ALLOWS THEM TO INCINERATE WHATEVER, WHAT DO WE HAVE TO STOP 'EM AND ONLY RESTRICT 'EM TO PETS? SO FROM HOW I UNDERSTAND IT, THE PERMIT IS SPECIFIC TO ANIMAL CREMATORIES.
SO IT DOESN'T SPECIFICALLY SAY PETS IN IT, IT'S JUST ANIMAL.
UM, THE APPLICANT MAY HAVE MORE INFORMATION ON THE PERMIT, BUT FROM EVERYTHING THAT I READ IT, IT'S JUST ANIMALS.
I WOULD JUST WANNA BE SURE OF THAT, BECAUSE WHAT I'M READING MAYBE IS THE WRONG THING, BUT IT LOOKS LIKE IT COVERS A LOT OF STUFF.
THE, THE STATE DOES HAVE A SEPARATE LICENSE FOR, UH, TR HUMAN CREMATORIUMS. UM, BUT I THINK THE, WE CAN CONFIRM WITH THE STATE REGULATIONS, UM,
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BECAUSE IT IS CONSIDERED A SOLID WASTE, I THINK.UM, SO THERE'S A FEW THINGS THAT FALL INTO THAT CATEGORY, UM, BUT WE CAN FIND OUT MORE, RIGHT? IT SAYS ON HERE, INSTITUTIONAL AND RECREATION ACTIVITIES INCLUDING GARBAGE, RUBBISH, ASHES, STREET CLEANINGS, DEAD ANIMALS, ABANDONED AUTOMOBILES.
THAT'S WHAT I'M READING FROM, THAT'S THE PERMIT ITSELF.
BUT THEY WOULD'VE TO APPLY, THEY WOULD'VE TO COMPLY WITH OUR REGULATIONS, RIGHT? YES.
YOU'RE SAYING THAT WHAT'S THE ENFORCEMENT METHOD, RIGHT? I'M JUST SAYING IF WE ALLOW A PET CREMATORIUM, I DON'T WANT 'EM TO BURN A LOT OF TRASH.
SO THAT WAS JUST THE DEFINITION FOR THE MUNICIPAL SOLID WASTE, WHICH IS WHERE IT INCLUDES, UM, ANIMAL CARCASSES.
BUT THE PERMIT HAS SPECIFIC REGULATIONS FOR, LIKE ADDITIONAL REGULATIONS FOR THE ANIMAL CREMATION.
SO IT WOULD, IT WOULD BE A DIFFERENT TYPE OF INCINERATOR AS I UNDERSTAND IT, I'M ASSUMING.
THE INCINERATOR THAT THEY WOULD NEED WOULD VARY DEPENDING UPON THE PRODUCT, PRODUCT, THE OBJECT THEY WERE TRYING TO, WELL, AND THAT WAS KIND OF MY QUESTION A LITTLE BIT.
UM, WHAT ABOUT THE SIZE OF THE PET OR THE, THE TYPE OF ANIMAL THAT, UH, IS BEING, WILL THERE BE ANY LIMIT? I MEAN, PET YOU OFF
AGAIN, I DON'T RECALL A SPECIFIC, UM, DEFINITION FOR ANIMAL SIZE OR LIMITATION, BUT THERE ARE LIMITATIONS TO HOW MUCH OF LIKE THE ASH THEY CAN STORE.
SO THAT WOULD, IN FACT, THAT WOULD LIMIT, UM, HOW MANY ANIMALS OR HOW LARGE OF ANIMALS THEY COULD CREMATE BECAUSE THEY CAN ONLY STORE SO MUCH OF THE ASHES.
SO, SO LET'S, LET'S START WITH THIS, UM, BOTTOM LINE IS, DO WE WANT TO CONSIDER ALLOWING EITHER PET FUNERAL HOMES OR CREMATORIUM FOR HUMANS OR PETS IN THE CITY? THAT'S TWO QUESTIONS.
AND, AND THE ANSWER MAY BE DIFFERENT.
I'M SORRY, WHAT DID YOU SAY? UM, YEAH, AND WE CAN DO THAT.
UH, I THINK WE'RE, WE'RE WE'RE DIGGING INTO A BUNCH OF LITTLE DETAILED STUFF WITHOUT ASKING THE BIG QUESTION, WHICH THEY START OUT WITH IS, WE SHOULDN'T MAKE ANY CHANGES OR, NO, WE'RE INTERESTED IN MAKING A CHANGE.
WE'RE, WE'RE CONSIDERING ALLOWING THIS.
LET'S GET, GATHER MORE INFORMATION.
SO I THINK YOU ASKED TWO QUESTIONS AT ONCE, SO CAN YOU BREAK THAT INTO TWO QUESTIONS? MM-HMM.
I DON'T KNOW IF THE APPLICANT HAS A PRESENTATION OR IS IT JUST TO ANSWER QUESTIONS.
I, I DON'T HAVE A PRESENTATION WITH IT NOW, BUT I COULD PRESENTATION, UH, I CAN ANSWER WHAT QUESTIONS YOU HAVE RIGHT NOW.
WOULD YOU LIKE TO ASK QUESTIONS OF THE APPLICANT YET, OR NO? SURE.
ONE QUESTION YOU HAD WAS PARTICULAR ABOUT THE ODOR.
SO, ALL RIGHT, MR. RATLIFF, WHY DON'T YOU BREAK MY QUESTION DOWN AND YOU RESTATE, I THINK THE QUESTION, THERE'S TWO QUESTIONS, IS ONE, SHOULD WE ALLOW PET FUNERALS IN MORTUARY AND FUNERAL HOMES? AND THEN THE SECOND IS, SHOULD WE ALLOW CREMATORIUMS, WHETHER THEY BE FOR PEOPLE OR ANIMALS, OR BOTH? SO, I MEAN, IN MY MIND, SHOULD WE ALLOW MORTUARY FUNERAL HOMES FOR PETS? THAT'S PRETTY EASY.
THAT, THAT SEEMS PRETTY EASY TO ME IF SOMEBODY THAT'S A BUSINESS THAT SOMEBODY WANTS TO START, AND I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH IT, I DON'T HAVE ANYBODY ELSE, BUT, UM, THE CREMATORIUM, I THINK I NEED MORE.
I THINK MR. LYLE ASKED A GREAT QUESTION IF WE HAD COMPLAINTS ABOUT THE ONE THAT WE OPERATE.
YEAH, I'D LIKE TO KNOW MORE ABOUT THE ONE THAT'S ALREADY HERE BEFORE WE MAKE DECISIONS ABOUT WHETHER OR NOT WE WANT ANOTHER ONE THAT'S, THAT'S A REASONABLE APPROACH.
SO SOMETHING, CAN I ADD SOMETHING TO THAT? JUST THE IDEA OF A PUBLIC PRIVATE PARTNERSHIP.
I MEAN, MAYBE SOMEONE STARTS THIS BUSINESS AND WE DON'T NEED ANOTHER INCINERATOR, BUT MAYBE IT'S A LONG WAY TO GO TO NEW HOPE OR SOMEWHERE ELSE.
BUT IS THERE ANY WAY FOR THAT PERSON TO OFFER THE SERVICE AND ACTUALLY USE THE GOVERNMENT FACILITY TO PIGGYBACK? I MEAN, IT'S THERE.
I DON'T, IT'S A VALID QUESTION.
I THINK IT'S INTERESTING TOO THAT THE GOVERNMENT CAN OPEN ONE, BUT
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YES, I DO.UM, UM, I AGREE WITH MR. RATLIFF.
I THINK, UH, THE MORTUARY IS FINE IF SOMEONE WANTS TO START ONE, THE CREMATION.
I, UH, I WANNA KNOW SOME MORE.
FIRST I WANT SOME INFORMATION.
SO, UM, CAN WE APPROACH IT THIS DIRECTION AND IN GENERAL TERMS OF PET MORTUARY, FUNERAL HOME SHOULD OPERATE AS A REGULAR BUSINESS KIND OF WHEREVER THEY WANNA OPERATE.
ONE, IS THERE ANY REASON TO RESTRICT IT? I, AT LEAST IN MY MIND, IT SHOULD BE RESTRICTED THE SAME AS ONE FOR A PERSON'S FUNERAL.
I MEAN, I, I THINK WHEREVER THAT'S ALLOWED, IT SHOULD BE ALLOWED AS WELL.
THAT'S, THAT'S, DO WE KNOW WHERE THAT'S ALLOWED BY, RIGHT.
I KNOW IT'S IN THE PACKET, BUT YOU'RE GONNA FIND IT QUICKER THAN I WILL.
SO IT IS ALLOWED BY RIGHT IN THE, UM, RETAIL LIGHT COMMERCIAL CORRIDOR, COMMERCIAL CENTRAL BUSINESS, ONE REGIONAL COMMERCIAL, REGIONAL EMPLOYMENT AND, UM, BOTH LIGHT INDUSTRIAL ONE AND TWO.
SO IT'S NOT RESIDENTIAL, BUT OUTSIDE OF RESIDENTIAL THEY CAN PUT IT ANYWHERE.
IS THERE ANY REASON WHY WE WOULD OPPOSE THAT? I'M NOT TRYING TO BE FUNNY, BUT I'M LIKE, WHAT, HOW DOES THAT WORK? I COULD PROBABLY EXPLAIN IT TO YOU, BUT IT MIGHT TAKE LONGER THAN, UH, JUST SAYING YES.
ALMOST THAT QUESTION DOESN'T MATTER.
ALRIGHT, SO THE IDEA HERE IS THAT FOR PET FUNERAL HOME AND, UH, MORTUARY, WHY NOT WHEREVER UNDER THE SAME CLASSIFICATION AS A TRADITIONAL ONE AND THEN ON THE CREMATORY, IF WE'RE GOING TO ALLOW IT FOR PETS, IS THERE A REASON WHY WE WOULDN'T ALLOW IT FOR HUMANS? BUT WE'D PROBABLY WANNA RESTRICT WHERE IT WOULD GO, BUT WE ALL WOULD LIKE A LITTLE MORE INFORMATION BEFORE SAYING.
YEAH, I, I WOULD SAY THERE MIGHT BE, BUT AGAIN, I THINK WE NEED, NEED TO LEARN MORE ABOUT IT.
I'M CURIOUS, WHAT IS EASY ANSWER ON THIS? SURE.
IS WE'LL BRING THAT DOWN HERE IN A SECOND.
MR. S I THINK, I THINK WE HAVE, I THINK THEY'RE, IN MY OPINION, THEY'RE PROBABLY AN S U PROCESS INVOLVED IN EACH ONE OF THEM.
BUT YEAH, BECAUSE I THINK I'D LIKE TO KNOW, YOU KNOW, WHAT'S ADJACENT, WHAT'S DOWNWIND? YEAH.
WELL, AND WE MAY LEARN MORE ABOUT THE PROCESS, WHICH BEDS THAT, GUESS WHAT? THE ODOR AND PARTICULATE THAT'S COMING OUT OF A CREMATORY ARE LESS THAN WHAT YOU GET OUT OF A KENTUCKY FRIED CHICKEN, UM, RESTAURANT.
RIGHT? I MEAN, CUZ YOU CAN SMELL ONE OF THOSE FROM SO ARE WE THEN GONNA GET REALLY, YOU KNOW, SO WE DON'T KNOW.
CUZ YOU, I I THINK, I SWEAR TO GOD, I THINK I CAN SMELL THE KENTUCKY FRIED CHICKEN THAT'S A MILE AND A HALF FROM MY HOUSE SOMETIMES THAT MIGHT SMELL BETTER.
OKAY, LET'S NOT, OF COURSE ITS CORN CHICKEN.
LET'S, LET'S, I'M TRYING TO MAKE A POINT OF WE'RE WE'RE MAYBE BEING OVERLY CONCERNED ABOUT SOMETHING THAT REALLY ISN'T AN ISSUE.
BUT IF WE AGREED WE NEED MORE INFORMATION, ESPECIALLY IF WE ALREADY HAVE, UM, CERTAIN ZONING DISTRICTS THAT HAVE SOME KIND OF WASTE REGULATION BULB, WASTE LIGHT INDUSTRIAL, TO ME IS AN OBVIOUS LOCATION FOR SOMETHING LIKE THIS OPERATION.
AND THERE'S NOTHING TO SAY THAT THE CREMATORIUM HAS TO BE DIRECTLY ASSOCIATED OR CONNECTED TO A MORTUARY OR A FUNERAL HOME, RIGHT? CORRECT.
SO IT'S JUST ANOTHER BUSINESS OPERATION.
IT'S A MATTER OF HOW DO WE WANNA REGULATE IT? WHERE DO WE WANNA PUT IT? SO I'D LIKE TO ALSO, AND I, I NEED TO READ THE ORDINANCE AGAIN, BUT I, I'D LIKE TO ALSO KNOW WHERE IS IT LIGHT INDUSTRIAL ONE OR TWO WHERE WE TYPICALLY ALLOW BUSINESSES THAT GENERATE ODOR.
I MEAN, I'M THINKING OF A BODY SHOP WITH A PAINT BOOTH, RIGHT? I MEAN, IT, IT'S, IT, IF YOU'VE BEEN DOWN WIND OF ONE OF THOSE ON A HOT SUMMER DAY, UH, YOU KNOW, IT'S, THEY'RE NOT UNDETECTABLE.
SO ARE YOU GETTING CLEAR DIRECTION FROM US? YES.
UM, DOES ANYONE WANT TO A, IF THE APPLICANT WANTS TO COME DOWN, I MEAN, WE CAN ASK A QUESTION, IT'S NOT A PUBLIC HEARING, YOU'RE WELCOME TO COME SPEAK TO US ANYWAY, SO I'M HAPPY ANSWER SPECIAL ORDER QUESTIONS.
WELL, IF YOU HAVE AN EXPERTISE IN THAT AREA, COME ON DOWN.
AND WE'RE, WE'RE NOT GONNA MAKE ANY DECISIONS OR, OR DIRECTION ON THIS, BUT I WAS JUST GONNA ASK, I MEAN, I WAS JUST CURIOUS WHAT DIRECTION STAFF GOT LIKE, MAYBE, BUT WE WANT MORE INFORMATION OR WHERE OH, YEAH.
I, I THINK HOW WOULD SHE CHARACTERIZE WHAT SHE HEARD FROM ALL OF US? OKAY.
CAN YOU, CAN YOU PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME FOR THE RECORD? ABSOLUTELY.
MY NAME IS ALAN BLAKEMORE AND MY WIFE AND I ARE LOOKING AT OPENING UP A PET PASSAGES FRANCHISE, UH, IN COLLIN COUNTY ON THE, UH, I, I, UH, 75 CORRIDOR.
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YOUR QUESTION ABOUT THE ODOR IS THAT THE TYPICAL ODOR IN EMISSIONS FROM THE DEVICE IS CALLED A RETORT, R E T R T.AND IT'S ABOUT THE SAME AS A GAS GRILL IN YOUR BACKYARD.
THE REASON IS BECAUSE IT'S A, IT'S A VERY EXPENSIVE, VERY LARGE DEVICE.
IT'S ABOUT FIVE FEET WIDE, MAYBE BY 13 FEET LONG.
IT HAS MULTIPLE CHAMBERS IN IT.
UM, IT BURNS AT ABOUT 1500 DEGREES.
A TYPICAL ANIMAL, UH, MIGHT TAKE ABOUT 45 MINUTES TO AN HOUR TO PROCESS.
AND ACTUALLY THE ONLY THING THAT'S LEFT ARE JUST THE BONES AND THEY'RE REAL BRITTLE.
SO WHEN YOU SEE THE ASHES THAT YOU GET BACK, YOU'RE NOT GETTING BACK ASHES.
THEY'RE ACTUALLY TAKING THE BONES AND CRUSHING DOWN THE BONES AND MAKING ASHES.
SO THE, THE O SO BECAUSE OF THE HIGH HEAT AND THE MULTIPLE CHAMBERS, IT GOES TO MULTIPLE CHAMBERS AND THE FINAL CHAMBER, IT'S SO HOT.
IT, THERE'S NOTHING THAT COME, THERE'S NO ORDERS LEFT BY THE TIME IT COMES OUT.
WELL, I APPRECIATE THAT, BUT I CAN SMELL MY NEIGHBOR GRILL HAMBURGERS,
WELL, HE'S NOT BURNING THOSE HAMBURGERS.
I PICKED THE HUNDRED DEGREES EITHER.
AND, UH, YOUR ANSWER AT QUESTION AS FAR AS, UH, WHY WOULD SOMEBODY WANT A PET FUNERAL HOME FOR THEIR PET? UH, MOST PET PARENTS AND, WELL, I MEAN PET, THERE'S A DIFFERENCE BETWEEN A PET PARENT AND MAYBE AN OWNER.
UH, TYPICALLY THOSE PETS ARE AS MUCH OF A HOUSEHOLD MEMBER AND SOME CASES MORE THAN, UH, FAMILIES, CHILDREN, FRIENDS.
UM, AND THE FACILITY IS A, A ONE FACILITY TO HAVE A PET, UH, EITHER DROPPED OFF OR SERVICED WITH A VETERINARIAN AND SERVICED, WHERE IF YOU WANNA SAY GOODBYE TO YOUR PET, YOU CAN HAVE A SMALL PLACE TO DO THAT SMALL.
AND WE, THERE, THERE'S 11, THERE'S 11 STATES THAT HAVE THIS FRANCHISE RIGHT NOW, AND PEOPLE DO THIS A LOT TO SAY GOODBYE TO THEIR PET.
UH, ALSO THE, THE RAINBOW BRIDGE ROOMS IS ALSO FACILITY TO, UH, HAVE A VETERINARIAN, A MOBILE VETERINARIAN COME BY AND PUT THE PET DOWN IN THAT FACILITY INSTEAD OF DOING IT AT THEIR HOUSE.
NOW, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU'VE EVER HAD TO PUT A PET DOWN BEFORE, BUT WE HAVE DOGS AND WE HAVE SEVEN OF THEM.
SO I I, I'VE DONE THIS MORE THAN I CAN CARE TO THINK ABOUT IT.
AND EVERY TIME I THINK ABOUT LEAVING MY DOG ON A COLD FLOOR ON A VET'S OFFICE MAKES ME, UM, UM, ANYWAYS, SO THIS IS A TOTALLY DIFFERENT, UH, TYPE OF FACILITY.
THERE'S NOTHING LIKE IT IN TEXAS OR METROPLEX RIGHT NOW.
THERE'S GONNA BE ONE DOWN IN MARBLE FALLS.
UH, SO THEY GOT, THEY GOT AHEAD, AHEAD OF, UH, OF US, BUT THERE'S NOTHING LIKE THIS IN THE METROPLEX.
HAVE YOU EVER BEEN TO A, A, A FUNERAL HOME? IT'S NOT QUITE AS FORMAL AS MOST FUNERAL HOMES, BUT IT'S VERY NICE.
UH, AS YOU GO IN, UH, THE ROOMS ARE, ARE RATHER SMALL CUZ YOU TYPICALLY DON'T HAVE TO, YOU'RE NOT GONNA HAVE A, YOU KNOW, 20 OR 30 PEOPLE SHOW UP FOR A PET.
IT'S TYPICALLY A FAMILY OR IN SOME CASES, UH, LIKE THE BIG AK A KC SHOW PEOPLE, WHICH WE WERE PART OF ONE TIME, UH, THERE MIGHT BE A GROUP OF PEOPLE MIGHT, MIGHT MAYBE THAT ONE DOG WAS A STUD DOG.
AND SO A BUNCH OF STUDS, I MEAN, THERE'S, UH, PUPS AND SO A LOT OF THOSE PEOPLE WANT TO COME BY AND SAY GOODBYE.
UH, SO, UH, ESPECIALLY WITH THE TRANSITION THAT THE, UM, UH, PANDEMIC HAD WITH OUR PETS, PEOPLE WORKING AT HOME, IT, IT REALLY DID.
THE PET MARKET CHANGED A LOT WITH, WITH THE PANDEMIC.
THAT IS WHY, UH, I DON'T QUESTION PEOPLE'S RELATIONSHIPS WITH THEIR PETS.
I PUT DOWN A DOG THREE MONTHS AGO THAT WAS WITH ME FOR THE LAST 10 YEARS, SO I GET IT.
THE COLD FLOOR YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT.
MINE WAS ON THE TAILGATE OF MY TRUCK ON A BLANKET.
I WASN'T GONNA STAY ON THE INSIDE, ON THE COLD FLOOR.
SO THAT PRO THAT THAT I'LL UNDER, YOU KNOW, I UNDERSTAND THE IMPORTANCE OF SAYING GOODBYE TO A LOVED ONE, WHICH IS WHAT THESE ANIMALS ARE.
YOU WANNA DO THAT AT THE SAME SPOT.
AND CAN I TELL YOU WHY? WELL, I KNOW WHY, WHY? WELL, I THINK I KNOW WHY.
WELL, I, MY STORY, UH, WE HAD A, A DOG, HIS NAME WAS REMINGTON.
WE HAD HIM CREMATED, WE GOT HIM BACK.
UH, SIX YEARS LATER WE PUT, WE PUT DOWN HIS SON COLT.
WHEN WE GOT HIM BACK, HE WEIGHED MORE THAN HIS FATHER.
ONE OF THOSE TWO DOGS IS NOT MY DOG.
SO, UH, PET PASSAGES HAS A WAY TO TRACK WHAT'S HAPPENING WITH YOUR DOG.
YOU FIND WHERE IT'S AT ON YOUR APP, ON YOUR PHONE SO YOU CAN SEE, SO YOU KNOW, IT'S YOUR DOG WHEN YOU GET IT BACK.
NOW, THIS INDUSTRY IS NOT REGULATED AT ALL AND PET PASSAGES IS LOOKING TO, TO CHANGE THAT.
DID THAT ANSWER YOUR QUESTION? YEAH.
AND THAT'S WHAT I WOULD'VE GUESSED.
LIKE YEAH, IF I HAVE AN ANIMAL, I WANT TO TRUST WHERE IT'S GOING.
I HAVE, I, YOU KNOW, ONE OF MY TWO DOGS, YOU KNOW, THESE ARE A K SHOWED
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CHAMPIONS.ONE OF THOSE TWO DOGS IS A HUNDRED WITH 'EM.
YOU KNOW, THEY'RE MY, THEY'RE MY BEST FRIEND.
ONE OF THOSE TWO DOGS IS NOT MY DOG.
YOU STARTED OFF SAYING NO MORE THAN A CHARCOAL GRILL.
I WAS ON THE SAME PAGE WITH HIM.
I SMELL MY NEIGHBOR COOKING HAMBURGERS, EMISSIONS EMISSIONS, SMELL EMISSIONS.
SO YOU'RE SAYING THERE'S ZERO SMELL, ZERO ODOR.
AND I, I'VE, I'VE BEEN TO, WE, WE HAVE A PET PASSAGES IN OKLAHOMA CITY.
I'VE BEEN THERE WHEN THEY CREMATED TWO ANIMALS.
AND HOW ARE THESE, HOW IS THE HEAT CREATED? YES.
IF YOU'VE SEEN A RESTAURANT FLU OR A RESTAURANT VENT ON THE TOP OF IT.
IS IT FILTERED TO MAKE SURE, I MEAN, WHEN YOU'RE BURNING HAIR, I MEAN OBVIOUSLY YOU'RE BURNING THE CARPETS.
BUT WHEN YOU, WHEN YOU FIRST PUT IT IN, YOU CAN KIND OF SMELL THE HAIR A LITTLE BIT CUZ HAIR DOES BURN, BUT IT'S SO HOT AND IT'S SO FAST.
IT THAT BY THE TIME IT GOES IN, YOU SMELL IT WHEN YOU'RE STANDING THERE OR YOU SMELL IT WHEN YOU'RE OUTSIDE, WHEN YOU'RE STANDING NEXT TO IT.
CUZ IT, IT HAS THIS HUGE DOOR THAT THAT'S PUT IN BASICALLY YOU THINK OF, OF A BRICK OVEN WHEN YOU PUT THE ANIMAL INSIDE OF IT.
SO YOU'RE GONNA HAVE THAT IN INSIDE.
YOU'RE, WHILE THAT DOOR IS OPEN, YOU'RE, YOU'RE GONNA GET A SMALL SENSATION OF THE SMELL.
BUT ONCE IT'S IN THERE AND THAT, THAT, AND THAT CHAMBER DOOR CLOSES, BY THE TIME IT GOES TO DIFFERENT PARTS OF THE, THE, THE, THE RETORT AND IT COMES BACK OUT, THERE'S NO SMELL.
AND THE TECHNOLOGY OF IT, I MEAN THESE ARE SIX FIGURE MACHINES.
THERE'S NO SMELL WHEN IT COMES OUT AND WHERE ARE OTHER PLACES ARE OPERATING IF ONE OF US WANTED TO, IF WE'RE IN THE AREA AND WE WANTED TO GO BY AND YEP.
UH, THERE, THERE'S ONE IN SAXY.
UH, THERE'S ONE IN CARROLLTON CALLED TOOTH ACRES.
UH, THERE'S ONE UP IN THE NEW HOPE ALSO.
AND THEY OPERATE THIS EQUIPMENT THAT YOU'RE REFERRING TO, UH, THEY OPERATE WITH, FROM WHAT I UNDERSTAND, A LOT OLDER EQUIPMENT THAN WHAT WE'RE USING.
SO I'LL ASK AGAIN, WHERE'S THIS EQUIPMENT THAT YOU'RE PLANNING TO, TO TRY TO USE? UH, IT'S CALLED KELLER MANUFACTURING.
IT'S OUT OF, UH, FLORIDA, KELLER MANUFACTURING, KELLER MANUFACTURING.
AND IF YOU WISH, I COULD EITHER, I COULD GET SOME VERY SPECIFIC INFORMATION FROM KELLER.
UH, I COULD PROBABLY EVEN HAVE, UH, ONE ASSOCIATES FROM KELLER, UH, COME AND SPEAK AS WELL IF YOU NEED TO.
IS THE MACHINE THE SAME THAT WOULD BE USED FOR HUMAN? ACTUALLY IT IS, YES.
IT'S JUST A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT SIZE.
AND THERE IS, THERE IS ONE HUMAN CREMATORY IN COLLIN COUNTY.
UH, UNFORTUNATELY HAD USE OF THAT TWO OR THREE TIMES.
SO ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? I, I, I THINK LET'S CIRCLE BACK TO STAFF.
I REALLY APPRECIATE THE TIME IN CONSIDERING MY BUSINESS.
SO JUST TO BE CLEAR, WHAT IS THE INSTRUCTION THAT YOU TAKE FROM US? YES.
SO, UM, FEEL FREE TO CORRECT ME IF I'VE MISUNDERSTOOD, BUT, UM, THE FUNERAL HOME ASPECT FOR THE PETS IS OKAY, BUT FOR THE CREMATORY ASPECT, YOU WOULD LIKE MORE INFORMATION, UM, SPECIFICALLY ON ODOR, NOISE, SMOKE, OTHER IMPACTS TO ADJACENT PROPERTIES AND UM, ON THE STATE REQUIREMENTS FOR THE SPECIFIC PERMIT AS WELL.
SO IF THERE ARE ANY LIMITATIONS TO TYPES OR SIZE OF ANIMALS.
AND THEN IN MORE INFORMATION ON THE EXISTING CREMATORIUM FORM ANIMAL SERVICES.
SO HOW MANY CREMATIONS, UM, DO THEY TYPICALLY DO? HAVE THERE BEEN ANY COMPLAINTS ON IT ALSO, UM, PROVIDING POTENTIALLY COMPARISONS TO OTHER ODOR PRODUCING USES WHERE THEY ARE PERMITTED AS WELL AS, UM, OTHER KIND OF WASTE OPERATIONS.
I THINK THAT PRETTY WELL COVERS IT.
MR. BRONSKI, CAN YOU ALSO JUST, UH, WASN'T SURE SOMEBODY HAD MENTIONED IT.
UH, JUST SOME GENERAL BACKGROUND AS FAR AS WHY WE CURRENTLY DO NOT PERMIT CREMATORIUMS FOR HUMANS AT ALL? YES.
IS THERE SOME BACKGROUND BEHIND NOT HAVING CREMATORIES AT ALL IN PLANO? WELL, SOUNDS LIKE THERE'S ONE IN COLLIN COUNTY, SO THAT'S WHY I WAS CURIOUS.
WAS THERE A REASON WHY? PROBABLY MAYBE I ALSO HAVE A REQUEST FOR THE STAFF.
WHAT'S THAT? UM, THE, I KNOW THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT A PERMIT FOR A CM JURY, AND I UNDERSTAND THIS GENTLEMAN BROUGHT US A, A GREAT IDEA OF SOMETHING A A MACHINE THAT DOESN'T PRODUCE ANY ODOR, BUT ONCE WE DID GIVE THE PERMIT OR THE USE OF CREMATION, WOULD THERE BE OTHER TYPES OF CREMATION PROCESSES THAT BE DIFFERENT FROM WHAT WE SAW TODAY FROM THIS GENTLEMAN? SO CAN YOU DO SOME RESEARCH ON WHAT ARE THE DIFFERENT TYPES OF CREMATION
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THAT COULD EXIST ONCE WE GIVE THE PERMIT TO THE LAND THAT WE CAN, BUT THE LANGUAGE SIMPLY SAYS CREMATION RIGHT.VERSUS SPECIFIC TYPE OF CREMATION.
ITEM 13, CAN I JUST CLARIFY? OH, UM, SO WE WON'T DO A CALL FOR PUBLIC HEARING YET ON THE FUNERAL HOME SIDE.
WE'LL JUST DO THAT MAYBE WHEN WE COME BACK WITH THE ADDITIONAL INFORMATION.
ITEM 13 IS ITEMS FOR FUTURE DISCUSSION.
EVERYBODY TALKED OUT