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THANK YOU ALL FOR BEING HERE TONIGHT.
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UH, I APOLOGIZE, IT'S 7 0 2.WE'RE JUST A COUPLE OF MINUTES, UH, LATE.
WE WERE RUNNING A LITTLE LONG IN OUR PRELIMINARY OPEN MEETING.
INTERESTING DISCUSSIONS THERE.
UM, WE WILL, IF YOU WILL, PLEASE JOIN ME IN THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE.
I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS, ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE, WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL COMMENTS OF PUBLIC INTEREST.
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[1. (PM) Public Hearing: Zoning Case 2022-020 - Request to designate an individual Heritage Landmark on 0.5 acre located on the west side of Springbrook Drive, 960 feet south of Janwood Drive. Zoned Single-Family Residence-7. Project #ZC2022-020. Petitioner: Texas Pool Foundation (Legislative consideration)]
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AGENDA ITEM NUMBER ONE, PUBLIC HEARING ZONING CASE.
REQUEST TO DESIGNATE AN INDIVIDUAL HERITAGE LANDMARK ON FIVE ACRE LOCATED ON THE WEST SIDE OF SPRINGBROOK DRIVE.
960 FEET SOUTH OF JAN WOOD DRIVE, ZONED SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENCE.
PETITIONER IS TEXAS POOL FOUNDATION.
THIS IS FOR LEGISLATIVE CONSIDERATION.
GOOD EVENING COMMISSIONERS PARK MCDOWELL PLANNER WITH THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT.
THIS REQUEST IS FOR AN INDIVIDUAL HERITAGE LANDMARK FOR TEXAS POOL.
THE PROPERTY IS CURRENTLY ZONED SINGLE FAMILY SEVEN.
ON THE SCREEN, YOU CAN SEE THE AERIAL OF THE, UM, PROJECT HIGHLIGHTED IN YELLOW AS WELL AS A CLOSEUP OF THE ACTUAL POOL ITSELF.
AND NOW I'LL TURN IT OVER TO STEVE SIMS TO GO OVER THE HISTORY OF THE TEXAS POOL, AS WELL AS SOME GENERAL BACKGROUND INFORMATION ON HISTORIC DESIGNATIONS OR LANDMARK DESTINATIONS.
MY NAME IS STEVE SIMS, LEAD PLANNER WITH THE CITY OF PLANO FOR HERITAGE AND INFORMATION.
WHAT I'M GOING TO DO IS KEEP MY PRESENTATION RATHER BRIEF FOR YOU TONIGHT, AND WE'RE GOING TO FOCUS ON WHAT IS A HERITAGE LANDMARK DESIGNATION, WHY IS THAT IMPORTANT? AND TALK ABOUT THE DESIGNATION FACTORS THAT WERE UNDER CONSIDERATION, THE CRITERIA, UH, FOR CONSIDERING THIS REQUEST.
FIRST OF ALL, WHAT IS A A HERITAGE RESOURCE DESIGNATION? WELL, THIS DESIGNATION IS BASICALLY A ZONING ACTION.
IT STAYS WITH THE PROPERTY NO MATTER WHO OWNS IT OR WHAT ITS USE IS OVER THE YEARS.
IT CAN BE REPEALED LIKE A ZONING DISTRICT, AND IT HAS A BASE DONING, WHICH IS WHAT HELPS TO DECIDE WHAT OTHER USES ARE APPROPRIATE THERE.
SOMETIMES THEY'LL HAVE SOMETHING ADDITIONAL TO IT SAYING THAT YOU COULD MAYBE USE IT FOR A BED AND BREAKFAST OR FOR, UH, UH, EVENTS, VENUE OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
UH, THEY CAN COME WITH INDIVIDUAL PROPERTIES.
SOME GREAT EXAMPLES WILL BE THE AMY WILSON HOUSE, THE HERITAGE FARMSTEAD MUSEUM, OR THE CARPENTER HOUSE, WHICH MOST
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PEOPLE ARE FAMILIAR WITH.WE HAVE TWO OF THOSE IN OUR CITY.
WE HAVE THE HACKER PARK HERITAGE DISTRICT, AND ALSO THE DOWNTOWN HERITAGE DISTRICT.
AND WHAT IS REALLY IMPORTANT IS TO HELP BRING ATTENTION TO THESE HERITAGE RESOURCES, WHY THEY'RE IMPORTANT, AND THEY ALSO HELP US TO PROTECT THEM BECAUSE ONE OF THE BIG ISSUES WITH THIS IS THAT, UH, AS THEY GET OLDER, THEY NEED TO HAVE CARE AND, AND HAVING THIS DESIGNATION AND HELP FOR SOME PROPERTIES, IT COULD BE EQUIVALENT TO BEING A HERITAGE TAX EXEMPTION.
THEY COULD SEEK THAT AS WELL, WHICH WOULD GIVE THEM, IF THEY'RE USED FOR RESIDENCE, UP TO 100%, UH, EXEMPTION ON THE IMPROVEMENT OF THE PROPERTY.
OUR APPLICANT TONIGHT IS NOT A, UH, A PRIVATE PROPERTY OWNER.
THEY ARE A 5 0 1
AND ALSO THIS ALSO HELPS TOO WITH KEEPING PROTECTING IT FROM INAPPROPRIATE CHANGES.
UH, FOR INSTANCE, ANYTHING THAT THEY WANT TO DO, ANYTHING WITH THE PROPERTY WILL REQUIRE A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS, WHETHER IT COULD BE APPROVED BY A HERITAGE PRESERVATION OFFICER OR WITH THE HERITAGE COMMISSION.
AND IT ALSO HELPS PROTECT THE, THE RESOURCE FROM DEMOLITION.
AND THERE ARE TWO, UH, IMPORTANT CRITERIA.
WE HAVE A LIST OF EIGHT IN OUR HERITAGE PRESERVATION ORDINANCE, AND YOU HAVE TO MEET AT LEAST TWO OF THOSE, AND IT HAS TO BE AT LEAST 50 YEARS OLD.
IT'S BEEN A WHILE SINCE WE'VE DONE THIS.
UH, THAT WAS THE CYCLING HOUSE BACK IN 2018 OVER IN HAGGARD PARK.
JUST GIVE YOU SOME BACKGROUND.
THE TEXAS POOL, UH, DEFINITELY MEETS THE 50 YEAR CRITERIA.
IT'S BUILT IN 1961, AND IT'S AN AMENITY FOR THE DALLAS NORTH OF STATES.
IT'S REALLY HIGHLY UNUSUAL TO HAVE SOMETHING LIKE THAT FOR A, A SUBURBAN OR SUBDIVISION DEVELOPMENT.
IT WAS LIST ON THE NATIONAL REGISTER OF HISTORIC PLACES IN 2019.
AND, AND AT FIRST IT WAS BY THE, THE PROPERTY OWNER, I'M SURE BY THE, THE HOMEOWNER ASSOCIATION AT THAT TIME.
AND NOW IT'S, UH, TAKEN CARE OF BY THE TEXAS POOL FOUNDATION.
THIS IS A GROUP OF VOLUNTEERS WHO ARE MADE UP FROM THE COM COMMUNITY TO HELP, UH, PROTECT FOR AND TAKE CARE OF THIS.
AND, UH, THEY'VE BEEN INTERESTED IN THE LANDMARK DESIGNATION PROCESS FOR A WHILE.
WE'VE DISCUSSED IT WITH THEM AND THEY'VE BEEN ACTIVELY INVOLVED WITH THE PAST FIVE YEARS WITH THE HERITAGE PRESERVATION GRANT PROGRAM.
AND THEY HAVE RECEIVED UP OVER $228,000 DURING THAT TIME PERIOD THAT'S BEEN USED TO HELP FOR PLUMBING UPGRADES AND THE POOL RESTORATION, THE PATIO DECKING.
AND THEY HAVE GOT THE POOL BASICALLY BACK TO WHERE IT WAS BACK IN 1961 AND FOR THIS PARTICULAR YEAR, FOR FISCAL YEAR 20, 22, 23.
NOW, WHAT THEY'RE LOOKING FOR IS TO GET SOME SEATING TO HELP IMPROVE THE AMENITY, TO MAKE IT MORE COMFORTABLE INVITING FOR THOSE WHO ARE COMING TO VISIT IT, BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT YOU GOT TO USE THESE FUNDS FOR, IS TO HELP ENCOURAGE PEOPLE TO COME TO THE SITE, TO VISIT IT, TO TAKE CARE OF IT, TO GET THEM TO SPEND TIME IN PLAINO, HOPEFULLY STAY ON A HOTEL IN PLAINO, UH, TO EAT, SPEND MONEY.
AND SO WHAT THEY'RE LOOKING TO DO IS TRY TO GET SOME SEATING, UH, TO IMPROVEMENTS AROUND THE POOL, MAKE IT MORE COMFORTABLE FOR A VISIT.
HOWEVER, ONE OF THE STIPULATIONS FOR THEIR GRANT THIS YEAR WAS THAT IN ORDER TO RECEIVE THIS WOULD REALLY HELP US IN IF THEY WERE CONSIDERED TO BE A HERITAGE LANDMARK DESIGNATION.
AS I'VE SAID, WE'VE SPOKEN ABOUT THIS SEVERAL TIMES.
UH, NOW THEY'RE READY TO MOVE FORWARD WITH IT.
THEY SUBMIT THEIR APPLICATION BACK IN THE FALL OF 2022.
THERE'S BEEN SOME CHALLENGES WITH THAT OVER THE, OVER THE PAST YEAR OR SO OF THE SURVEY ISSUES.
I'M HAPPY TO SAY THAT THOSE HAVE BEEN RESOLVED.
AND WE'RE IN THE PROCESS RIGHT NOW OF ESTABLISHING PROPERTY LINES WITH THE TEXAS POOL AND THEN THE CITY OF PLANO, OVERLAND TRAIL PARK.
SO WHAT ABOUT THE, THE CRITERIA? ACTUALLY, WHAT WE HAVE FOUND IS THEY MEET FOUR OF THE CRITERIA, AND ONE IS TO POSSESS SIGNIFICANCE IN HISTORY, ARCHITECTURE, ARCHEOLOGY, OR CULTURE.
WELL, ONE OF THE MOST UNIQUE THINGS ABOUT THIS IS IT'S A, A POOL IN THE SHAPE OF THE STATE OF TEXAS.
THERE'S NOT MANY OF THOSE FOUND EVEN IN OUR STATE.
SOME ARE MUCH BIGGER, SOME ARE SMALLER.
OURS PROBABLY A PROBABLY ABOUT IN THE MIDDLE.
BUT WHAT'S REALLY MAKES IT UNUSUAL IS IT'S PART OF A RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT, A SUBDIVISION.
AND EVEN 60 YEARS AFTER, OR 62 YEARS AFTER, THERE REALLY HASN'T BEEN ANY COMMUNITY THAT HAS HAD SOMETHING LIKE THAT TO OFFER TO THEIR RESIDENTS.
UH, OVER THE TIME IT WENT FROM JUST BEING A LOCAL, UH, PLACE FOR THE PEOPLE WHO LIVED IN DALLAS NOR STATES TO INCLUDING ALL COMMUNITY MEMBERS IF YOU'RE WILLING TO PAY A MEMBERSHIP FOR IT.
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THAT'S WHAT PEOPLE DO TODAY WHEN THEY WANT TO COME AND TO USE THE FACILITY.AND IT WAS DONE, IT WAS DESIGNED THIS WAY BECAUSE THE DEVELOPER OF THE DALLAS NORTH STATES WANTED TO BRING PEOPLE UP HERE TO HIS DEVELOPMENT.
HE WAS, WAS IN PLANO, WAS 1961, AND THOUGHT, WELL, NOBODY KNOWS WHERE PLANO IS.
WHY WOULD ANYBODY EVER COME UP HERE? AND DALLAS NORTH STATES, OH, WELL, THEY'LL THINK I'M CLOSE TO DALLAS.
AND THIS WOULD ENCOURAGE THEM TO COME.
THE SECOND DESIGNATION CRITERIA ASSOCIATED WITH EVENTS THAT HAVE MADE A SIGNIFICANT CONTRIBUTION TO THE BROAD PATTERNS OF LOCAL, REGIONAL, STATE, OR NATIONAL HISTORY.
ONE OF THE IMPORTANT THINGS ABOUT THE TEXAS POOL DESIGNATION, UH, AND ABOUT THE TEXAS POOL IS IT IS A SEGUE INTO THE PLAINTIFF THAT WE KNOW AND THAT WE LIVE IN TODAY.
UH, WE ARE A SUBURBAN COMMUNITY, SUBURBAN CHARACTER.
THIS IS WHERE THAT STARTED BEFORE THIS TIME.
IF YOU'RE INVOLVED WITH PLANO HISTORY, HAVE TO BE A PART OF THE LEGACY FAMILIES.
NOW, THIS IS SOMETHING THAT INVOLVES EVERYBODY WHO LIVES IN PLANO.
SOME OF US HAVE TENNIS COURTS, SOME OF US HAVE SWIMMING POOLS.
OF COURSE, NOTHING QUITE LIKE THIS, BUT WE ALL HAVE THAT.
AND THIS IS THE BEGINNING OF THE DEVELOPMENT TO PLAY THOSE SUBURBAN HISTORY.
SO THAT'S WHAT'S IS, IS IMPORTANT THERE.
ALSO, ANOTHER IMPORTANT THING IS THEY DID OPEN IT UP TO INCLUDE MEMBERSHIP FROM NO MATTER WHO LIVED IN THAT NEIGHBORHOOD OR NOT, IT SERVED AS A POOL, UH, FOR PEOPLE IN PLANO UP UNTIL THE EARLY 1970S BECAUSE THE CITY DIDN'T HAVE A, A POOL UNTIL 1971.
THE THIRD CRITERIA TO IDENTIFY WITH THE PERSON WHO SIGNIFICANTLY CONTRIBUTED TO, TO THE CULTURE OR THE DEVELOPMENT OF THE CITY.
UH, THE PERSON BEHIND THE IDEA OF A TEXAS SHAPED SWING POOL WAS HERBERT HUNT.
AND HE WAS THE SON OF HL HUNT AND HE, WHO'S A MAJOR LAND DEVELOPER, NOT ONLY FOR DALLAS NORTH OF STATES, BUT FOR MUCH OF THE RESIDENTIAL LAND THAT'S SOUTH OF THE PARK BOULEVARD, 15TH STREET CORRIDOR WEST OF US, HIGHWAY 75.
WE GOT TO FIND THAT OUT IN OUR RESEARCH FOR ANOTHER PROJECT THAT WE'RE DOING RIGHT NOW.
BUT IT'S CALLED THE TEXAS HISTORY PROJECT ABOUT THE DEVELOPMENT OF OUR COMMUNITY.
AND SO HE WAS VERY ACTIVE IN THAT.
AND IF THIS IS HIS WAY OF BRINGING PEOPLE UP HERE TO THIS DEVELOPMENT.
AND FINALLY, A FOURTH CRITERIA, IT THE UNIQUE LOCATION OF SINGULAR IMPORTANCE CHARACTERISTIC, REPRESENTING AN ESTABLISHED AND FAMILIAR VISUAL FEATURE OF A NEIGHBORHOOD COMMUNITY OR THE CITY.
IT'S USING THE SHAPE OF TEXAS.
IT'S ONE OF THE FIRST EXAMPLES OF USING IT AS A MARKETING.
NOW THE SHAPE OF TEXAS IS SOMETHING THAT IS KNOWN THROUGHOUT THE WORLD.
UH, IF YOU SAY THAT YOU ARE FROM DALLAS, I'VE, I'VE TRAVELED TO DIFFERENT COUNTRIES AND OH, YOU'RE FROM DALLAS.
WELL, HAVE YOU BEEN TO SOUTH FORT GRANT? AND HAVE YOU SEEN JR? ALTHOUGH THAT IS GETTING TO BE RATHER OLD, BUT STILL, THAT'S WHAT PEOPLE THINK.
AND, AND TEXAS IS POPULAR AROUND THERE.
ALSO, THERE'S OTHER STATES AT THAT TIME STARTING TO HAVE POOLS.
FLORIDA, ALABAMA AND OKLAHOMA ARE JUST A FEW EXAMPLES AROUND THAT TIME.
ALSO, UH, THIS POOL WAS MENTIONED IN THE NEW YORK TIMES AND ALSO THE AMERICAN WAY MAGAZINE IS FEATURED WITH, UH, DALLAS OBSERVER AND NATIONAL GEOGRAPHIC KIDS.
AND SO THIS IS, UH, A GREAT RESOURCE IF YOU'VE NEVER BEEN THERE.
WHAT'S REALLY INTERESTING ABOUT THIS POOL, EVEN THOUGH IT WAS BUILT IN THE 1960S AND YOU HAVE PEOPLE COME TO IT TODAY, IT, UH, DEFINITELY REPRESENTS THAT 1960S FEEL, THE ARCHITECTURE, EVERYTHING.
BUT YOU SEE, UH, YOUNG PEOPLE TODAY OR TEENAGERS OR, OR KIDS, AND THEY'VE GOT THE, THE 2020S HAIR AND SWIMSUITS AND STYLES AND ALL THAT.
IT'S ALL TOGETHER AND IT'S, UH, A VERY GOOD EXPERIENCE.
UH, THAT CONCLUDES MY PRESENTATION ABOUT THE, ABOUT THE DAMN MARK.
SO THE SUBJECT PROPERTY IS DESIGNATED NEIGHBORHOODS AND THE FUTURE LAND USE MAP.
THERE'S NO CHANGE THERE AS FAR AS COMPREHENSIVE PLAN POLICIES.
THIS REQUEST IS CONSISTENT WITH THE HERITAGE PRESERVATION POLICY ACTION HP ONE AND IS DESIGNATED AS A POTENTIAL HERITAGE LANDMARK IN THE PRESERVATION PLANO ONE 50 PLAN.
AND THIS, THIS REQUEST GENERALLY MEETS THE COMPREHENSIVE PLANS AND PRES HERITAGE PRESERVATION POLICIES AS INDICATED BY THE GREEN CHECK MARKS.
AND THE YELLOW, UH, DOTS INDICATE EITHER NO CHANGE OR NOT APPLICABLE.
WE RECEIVED TWO RESPONSES IN FAVOR AND ONE RESPONSE OPPOSED WITHIN THE OFFICIAL 200 FOOT BUFFER.
UH, IT WILL NOTE THAT IN ORDER TO TRIGGER A SUPER MAJORITY VOTE, 20%
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OF THE LAND AREA WITHIN THAT 200 FOOT BUFFER WOULD NEED TO BE IN OPPOSITION.THIS ONE DOES NOT TRIGGER THAT AS ONLY 0.01 ACRE WAS RES IN OPPOSITION CITYWIDE.
WE RECEIVED 69 U UNIQUE RESPONSES IN TOTAL WITH 62 IN SUPPORT, THREE NEUTRAL AND FOUR OPPOSED.
WE RECEIVED SIX DUPLICATE RESPONSES AND SIX RESPONSES OUTSIDE OF THE CITY OF PLANO FOR A TOTAL OF 75 RESPONSES.
AND WITH THAT STAFF IS RECOMMENDING THE ZONING CASE FOR APPROVAL AS SUBMITTED.
AND IT TO BE NOTED THAT THE HERITAGE COMMISSION RECOMMENDED THIS FOR APPROVAL SEVEN TO ZERO AT THE APRIL 25TH MEETING.
AND I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS IF THERE ARE ANY.
AND THANK YOU MR. SIMS, FOR YOUR PRESENTATION.
LOVE THE HISTORY THAT YOU BRING TO SOME OF THESE PROJECTS.
UH, QUESTIONS FOR STAFF ON THIS ITEM, MR. LYLE? OH, I GOT, GO BACK TO MY BOARD HERE AFTER I'M GONNA LET MR. LAW, I'LL GO FIRST THEN, MR. KERRY.
I'M JUST CURIOUS, THE MONEY THAT THE $228,000 THAT THEY'VE RECEIVED SO FAR IN FUNDING, WHERE DOES THAT MONEY COME FROM? COMES FROM THE, UH, HOTEL MOTEL TAX FUND, WHICH FUNDS THE HERITAGE GRANT PROGRAM.
SO IT COMES FROM TAX DOLLARS FROM THE CITY OF PLANO.
PAID FOR VISITORS TO PLANO THROUGH THE HOTEL TAX? YES.
IT COMES FROM THE HOTEL OCCUPANCY TAX.
AND WHAT IT'S USED FOR ARE NOT ONLY FOR THE TEXAS SCHOOL FOUNDATION, BUT ANY ORGANIZATION IN TECH IN PLANO THAT HAS A HERITAGE SITE SUCH AS HERITAGE FARMSTEAD MUSEUM OR THE INTERURBAN MUSEUM.
UH, BUT THAT THEY HAVE A FACILITY TO HELP BRING PEOPLE TO PLANO, CHOOSE TO HELP PROMOTE TOURISM, AND, AND THAT'S WHAT THEY ARE, ARE DOING WITH THEIR FUNDS AND RESTORING THIS BACK UP AGAIN.
DO, DO WE HAVE ANY HISTORY OR RECORDS ON HOW MANY PEOPLE THAT ARE VISITING THE CITY THAT ACTUALLY, LIKE HOW MANY PEOPLE ATTEND THIS POOL AND IT YES, WE DO.
HOW IS IT CITY OF, IS IT CITY OF PLANO PEOPLE OR IS IT ACTUALLY YES.
PEOPLE THAT ARE VISITING? YES, WE DO.
UH, ONE OF THE PROVISIONS THAT THEY HAVE TO DO IS WE HAVE QUARTERLY REPORTS AND THEY HAVE TO SUBMIT THOSE EVERY QUARTER.
AND PART OF THAT REPORT IS THAT THEY HAVE TO TAKE AND THEY HAVE TO TELL US ABOUT HOW MANY PEOPLE ARE ATTENDING THEIR POOL, HOW MANY PEOPLE COME THERE.
AND, UH, SOMETIMES THEY TELL US ABOUT WHERE THEY COME FROM.
AND WHAT WE HAVE FOUND OUT IS THAT LAST YEAR IN 2022 AND THE THIRD QUARTER WAS IN THE FOURTH QUARTER, THAT WAS HER BUSIEST TIME.
THEY HAD AROUND AROUND 6200, 6300 VISITORS TO POOL ALTOGETHER.
THEY HAD 9,200 IN IN THE YEAR 2022.
AND MOST OF THE VISITORS, YES, THEY ARE FROM THE STATE OF TEXAS, BUT THEY DO COME FROM ALL 50 STATES.
AND THEY, SOME OF THEM DO COME FROM OTHER COUNTRIES, PARTICULARLY IF THEY'RE, UH, HERE TO VISIT WITH FAMILY.
SO THE CHAIRS THAT THEY'RE TRYING TO BUY NOW, IS THAT ALSO GONNA COME FROM CITY OF PLANO TAX DOLLARS? YES.
IF THE DESIGNATION IS APPROVED, THAT'S GONNA BE COMING FROM THE HOTEL OCCUPANCY TAX.
SO I'D LIKE TO, UH, WELL, I, I'LL, UH, LET'S VISIT, JUST TO BE CLEAR THOUGH, THAT WE'RE JUST LOOKING AT THE LAND USE, NOT THE TAX DOLLAR USE.
BUT FOR ANYONE ELSE THAT'S RIGHT.
UM, SO I, I'M CURIOUS, JUST KIND OF PIGGYBACK ON HIM.
UM, WHAT ARE THE USAGE TREND? IS THE POOL FLAT, UH, FLAT USAGE? IS IT TRENDING UP OR BACK? UH, WHAT, WHAT'S THAT SEEM LIKE HERE WITH THIS PARTICULAR PROPERTY? UH, IS IT GROWING? IS IT FLATLINING IN TERMS OF USAGE? YOU, I THINK YOU MENTIONED 9,200 VISITS AS FAR AS IT NUMBER OF VISITORS ARE CONCERNED.
IT'S GOTTEN ACTUALLY HAS BECOME MORE, UH, 2021 WAS NOT A, WAS NOT A GOOD TIME OR 2020 FOR THE POOL.
AND, UH, 2022, THEY REALLY HAD QUITE A REBOUND.
AND IT'LL BE INTERESTING TO SEE WHAT THEY DO AFTER THAT WITH THE, WITH THEIR RIGHT MIDDLE OF THEIR REPORTS.
AND THEY ALSO HAD RATHER STRONG VISITORSHIP BACK IN 20 18, 20 19 BEFORE THE PANDEMIC.
BUT 2022 IS BY FAR ONE OF THEIR BUSIEST YEARS.
UM, MUST YOU HAVE A MEMBERSHIP OR IS THIS OPEN TO THE PUBLIC NOW? LET'S, I'M SORRY.
IT'S NOT, IT IS OPEN TO THE PUBLIC, UH, UH, MEMBERSHIP IS WHAT THEY WOULD LIKE FOR YOU TO HAVE TO COME THERE.
BUT YOU CAN COME AND SWIM IF YOU'RE WILLING TO PAY A FEE, THERE'S LIKE A USE FEE OR SOMETHING.
UM, SO AS I STAND AT THE FRONT OF THIS PROPERTY, LOOKING AT IT, IT APPEARED TO ME THAT THE DESIGNATION IS JUST AROUND THE POOL AND THERE APPEARS TO BE VACANT LAND TO THE RIGHT AND LEFT.
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YES.SO MY QUESTION IS THIS, UM, WHAT ARE, WHAT IS THE LAND TO THE RIGHT AND LEFT, AND WHY IS IT NOT INCLUDED IN YOUR PROPOSAL HERE? I'M CURIOUS ABOUT THAT.
THE LAND TO THE RIGHT AND LEFT HAPPENS TO BE A PART OF THE OVERLAND TRAIL PARK WITH THE CITY OF PLANO.
AND SO IT'S PARKLAND, AND SO THAT'S WHY IT'S NOT, IT'S NOT A PART OF THAT SITE, UH, THAT THE SITE IS PRIMARILY FOCUSES ON THE POOL ITSELF.
AND THEN, YOU KNOW, JUST KINDA A, A COMMENT, MAYBE A QUESTION, ONE OF THE NEGATIVE RESPONSES WITH WAS THE EFFECT THAT THIS PROPERTY'S HAVING ON THE NEIGHBORHOODS.
BUT YES, I MEAN, SINCE THIS THING'S BEEN HERE FOR 50 YEARS, MY GUESS IS IF YOU MOVED INTO THIS NEIGHBORHOOD, YOU MIGHT KNOW THIS, THIS THING'S THERE.
SO ANYWAY, THANK, I THINK IT'S, IT'S A COOL POOL.
SO THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR THE PRESENTATION.
MOVING IN ORDER, MR. BROSKY, I JUST HAVE ONE SMALL QUESTION.
I WAS LOOKING AT ONE OF THE NEGATIVE RESPONSES, AND, UH, THEY MADE THE COMMENT THAT, UH, IN YOUR PRESENTATION YOU MENTIONED THAT IT, UH, BECAME A DESTINATION WAS IT SAYS THE POOL WAS NOT DESIGN, UH, WAS NOT ORIGINALLY DESIGNED TO BE A DESTINATION FOR EVERYONE, IT WAS FOR A NEIGHBORHOOD AMENITY.
SO I'M TRYING TO UNDERSTAND, WAS THE INTENTION AS A DESTINATION FROM ALL AROUND THE WORLD, OR WAS IT REALLY TO ATTRACT PEOPLE TO HIS NEIGHBORHOOD AS A AMENITY JUST FOR THAT NEIGHBORHOOD? IT WAS FIRST CONSTRUCTED BACK IN 1961.
IT WAS INTENDED TO SERVE PEOPLE WHO LIVED IN DALLAS NORTH, THE STATES.
BUT TIMES HAVE CHANGED SINCE THAT, UH, THE POOL WAS FIRST OPENED, UH, PARTICULARLY IN THE 1980S, 1990S, UH, COMMISSIONER KERRY WAS TALKING ABOUT DROPPING OFF.
WELL, DURING THAT TIME PERIOD, THAT IS WHEN THE DENTIST STARTED TO DROP OFF, AND THAT'S WHEN THEY DECIDE TO START OPENING IT UP AND TRYING TO PROMOTE IT AND, AND TO LET PEOPLE KNOW ABOUT WHAT'S THAT IT EXISTS AND IT'S HERE.
SO IN THE 1990S, THEY REALLY STARTED TO EXPAND THEIR EFFORTS, UH, TO MAKE IT KNOWN TO PEOPLE, HEY, THEY CAN COME HERE IF YOU WOULD LIKE, AND, AND YOU CAN GO SWIMMING HERE.
AND ALSO SEEMED TO START TO OPEN UP MORE LIKE THAT TOO, IN THE BEFORE 1971 WHEN THE STATE DIDN'T HAVE A POOL AND THIS WAS THE ONLY PLACE YOU COULD GO.
AND THERE'S A LOT OF PRESSURE ON, ON USING IT.
SO THAT HELPED TOO, BECAUSE IT'S A HUGE PLACE.
AND DALLAS NORTH STATE'S, UH, SUBDIVISION'S NOT THAT BIG.
AND, UH, AND IT'S KIND OF BIG TO, IT'S KIND OF A BIG THING TO TRY TO HAVE THAT JUST SUPPORT IT.
AND SO THEY NEEDED TO EXPAND IT TO GET MORE HELP WITH SUPPORT.
AND NOW TODAY IT'S MORE, UH, MARKETED TOWARDS, UH, PEOPLE COMING TO PLAY PLANO.
HEY, WHEN YOU'RE HERE IN PLANO, COME BY AND VISIT WITH US.
AND, AND THAT'S ANOTHER THING SOME OF OUR FUNDS HAVE BEEN USED FOR TOO, IS MARK, TO TRY TO ENCOURAGE PEOPLE TO COME AND GETTING THE WORD OUT THERE ABOUT THE TEXAS POOL, PUTTING IT WITH THE CONVENTION VISITORS BUREAU, WITH THE HOTELS AROUND HERE, AND TRYING TO ENCOURAGE HIM, INVITE PEOPLE TO COME.
SO, UH, DO YOU, SO YOU MENTIONED 69 PEOPLE F OR THE NUMBERS THAT YOU HAD JUST PROVIDED A MINUTE AGO ABOUT PEOPLE COMING FROM OUT OF STATE AND OUT OF THE COUNTRY.
SO DO PEOPLE COME TO PLANO TO GO TO THAT? IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE TRYING TO SAY? OR IS THAT JUST, I THINK SOMEPLACE THEY STOP AND VISIT WHILE THEY'RE HERE.
I THINK THAT THE, MAYBE PEOPLE COME TO PLANO, PROBABLY TO VISIT FAMILY OR SOMETHING.
THEY'RE FROM ANOTHER COUNTRY, OR IF THEY'RE OUTTA STATE, MAYBE THEY MIGHT COME THERE TO STAY.
WE DON'T KNOW WHAT THE REASONS WHY PEOPLE COME TO PLANO, BUT AS FAR AS THE TEXAS POOL IS CONCERNED, YOU KNOW, THEY AREN'T PROMOTING THEMSELVES.
IT IS AN ATTRACTION THAT YOU CAN GO SEE.
I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S SOMETHING YOU'RE GONNA SEEK OUT WHEN YOU COME HERE.
UH, I WOULD THINK MAYBE HARRY'S FARMSTEAD MUSEUM MIGHT BE SOMETHING MORE THAT YOU'D WANNA SEEK OUT LIKE THAT.
BUT, UH, IT'S, IT'S SOMETHING THAT IS HERE AND IT'S SOMETHING THAT'S UNIQUE THAT YOU DON'T SEE EVERYWHERE.
AND, UH, AND THEY'RE TRYING TO WORK ON GETTING THE WORD OUT FOR THAT.
LET, LET'S KEEP IT WHEN WE STILL HAVE AN APPLICANT TO DO A PRESENTATION TOO.
SO SOME IN INFORMATION MAY COME OUT OF THAT.
AND THEN LET'S ALSO KIND OF KEEP IN MIND WE'RE JUST BEING ASKED TO APPROVE A HERITAGE.
IT'S NOT WHETHER WE'RE APPROVING THE POOL OR ANYTHING, WE'RE JUST ADDING A LAYER OF DESIGNATION ON IT, UH, WHICH ACTUALLY WILL HELP THEM GET FUNDS IN FROM OTHER SOURCES THAN JUST SIMPLY THE CITY OF PLANO.
SO, UH, ANY MORE QUESTIONS THAT ONLY STAFF CAN ANSWER, MR. RATLIFF? THANK YOU, STEVE.
UM, UH, CHAIRMAN, STEVE, JUST A QUICK QUESTION.
YOU SPENT A LOT OF TIME TALKING ABOUT THE POOL, BUT I KNOW THERE'S A STRUCTURE OUT THERE AS WELL.
IS THERE ANY CONTRIBUTING HISTORICAL VALUE TO IT? AND, UM, AS FAR AS THE HISTORIC DESIGNATION IS CONCERNED, YES.
IT'S A, IT'S, LIKE I SAY, IT WAS RESTORED BACK IN, LET'S SEE, WELL, THEY'VE BEEN WORKING ON THE RESTORATION SINCE 20 18, 20 19, AND ONE OF THE THINGS THEY'VE DONE IS TO PUT THE, THE POOL BACK AND ALSO TO
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PUT IN SOME NEW PAVERS AND THAT THE, THE BASIC INFRASTRUCTURE OF THE POOL SUMMIT DOES DATE BACK TO THAT TIME PERIOD WHEN IT WAS FIRST BUILT.ALSO, ANOTHER THING THAT'S VERY UNIQUE TO IT, USED TO USED TO HAVE AND HAVE BEEN RESTORED TODAY, LITTLE TILES THAT HAVE NAMES OF THE DIFFERENT CITIES OF THE STATE OF TEXAS.
SO WHEN YOU GO IN THE POOL AND YOU CAN SWIM, YOU SAY, WHERE IS DALLAS? OR WHERE IS EL PASO? OR WHERE IS HOUSTON? AND THAT'S RESTORING IT BACK TO, TO WHAT IT USED TO BE AND JUST, UH, THE BUILDING ITSELF WHERE YOU GO TO CHANGE YOUR CLOTHES, IF, IF THAT'S, IF YOU CHANGE THERE.
AND ALSO THEIR PUMP HOUSE, ALL OF THAT IS STILL A PART OF THAT SITE.
SO DOES THAT BUILDING HAVE SOME, ANY ARCHITECTURAL SIGNIFICANCE OR IS IT JUST A PERIOD APPROPRIATE? IT'S JUST A PERIOD OF WHEN THAT, UH, POOL IS CONSTRUCTED.
UM, JUST A QUICK QUESTION ON THE CITY.
WHY THE STANDARD ON, UH, HISTORICAL DESIGNATED THE, UH, SITES? ARE THEY MAJORLY, MAJORLY OWNED BY THE CITY OR THEY'RE OWNED BY INDIVIDUALS? I'M SORRY, WHAT IS IT? HOW TO ASK AGAIN? SO WE'RE MAKING A DESIGNATION ON THIS SITE, RIGHT? I'M ASSUMING? YES, JUST FOR THEIR SITE.
AND FOR OTHER HERITAGE, LIKE HISTORICAL DESIGNEE SITE, ARE THEY OWNED YES.
BY THE CITY OR NEARBY INDIVIDUAL? LIKE, UH, UH, JUST A, A REGULAR CITIZEN.
ARE THEY PRIVATELY OWNED OR THEY'RE OWNED BY THE CITY? IT'S DONE BY A IS DELL HAS A FOUNDATION, THE TEXAS PAROLE FOUNDATION.
SO THAT IS SOMEWHAT OF A PRIVATE, IN FACT, IT HAS A BOARD THAT TAKES CARE OF IT.
YET THEY ARE A NONPROFIT ORGANIZATION.
IT'S A PRIVATE NONPROFIT ORGANIZATION BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT THEY HAVE TO DO IN ORDER TO QUALIFY TO RECEIVE GRANTS.
AND I, AND I'LL ADD THE OVERWHELMING MAJORITY ARE, ARE PRIVATELY OWNED PROPERTIES.
MOST DESIGNATIONS OFFER PRIVATE PROPERTY
COMMISSIONER RALEIGH, SPECIFIC TO YES.
SPECIFIC TO STAFF, JUST A VERY QUICK QUESTION.
IF FOR ANY REASON THIS DOESN'T PASS AND THEY DON'T GET A DESIGNATION, WHAT HAPPENS ONCE IT RECEIVES ITS DESIGNATION, THEN IF IT DOESN'T RECEIVE THE DESIGNATION, WHAT HAPPENS? IF IT DID NOT, YES.
IF IT DID NOT RECEIVE ITS DESIGNATION, THEN IT WOULD NOT BE ELIGIBLE FOR THE, THE, THE SEATING PROJECT.
I THINK YOU'RE ASKING IF TONIGHT WAS THE, WHAT'S THE PROCEDURE MOVING FORWARD? IT'S LIKE ANY OTHER ZONING CASE.
IF IT'S DENIED, THEY HAVE THE OPTION TO APPEAL TO CITY COUNCIL.
UH, ABILITY TO RAISE FUNDS OR WHAT? UH, NO.
THEY ESSENTIALLY, WE, THE PROPERTY IS NOT DESIGNATED AT THAT POINT.
SO NOTHING, NONE OF THE EXTERIOR WORK IS SUBJECT TO THE HERITAGE COMMISSIONS PER YOU.
THEY CAN CONTINUE TO DO WHAT THEY, YOU KNOW, WITHOUT APPROVALS FROM THE CITY.
UM, THE GRANT FUNDING ITSELF IS TIED TO THEM GOING THROUGH THE PROCESS, NOT ACTUALLY RECEIVING THE DESIGNATION.
SO THE FUNDING COULD STILL MOVE FORWARD.
FOR THE STAFF, UM, IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING THAT THERE IS A HERITAGE BOARD THAT OPERATES UNDER THE AUSPICES OF THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT.
IS THAT CORRECT? YES, WE DO HAVE A HERITAGE COMMISSION.
HAVE THEY CONSIDERED THIS MATTER IN SOME DETAIL? YES, THEY HAVE.
AND THAT WAS THE FIRST PLACE THAT WE WENT TO THE HERITAGE COMMISSION, AND THEY, THEY LOOKED AT THE LOCAL DESIGNATION, THEY MADE A RECOMMENDATION THAT MOVED FORWARD.
SO WHAT IS THERE LEFT FOR US TO DO WITHOUT REVISITING THE WORK THAT HAS ALREADY BEEN DONE BY THE HERITAGE COMMISSION? LEAVE WITH THE WORK HERE FOR YOU TONIGHT TO DO IS TO MAKE A RECOMMENDATION WHETHER THIS LOCAL DESIGNATION SHOULD BE APPROVED OR NOT, BECAUSE IT IS A ZONING, IT'S A, IT IS A ZONING, AND THAT'S A, A FUNCTION OF THE PLAN AND ZONING COMMISSION TO MAKE A DECISION WHETHER IT SHOULD RECEIVE ITS HERITAGE DESIGNATION ZONING TO GO FORWARD TO CITY COUNCIL.
AND DOES THAT DEPEND IN GREAT PART ON WHETHER THIS IS CONSISTENT WITH THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN? IT, THE, THE ORDINANCES OUTLINED? THE COMMISSION'S ROLE IS TO REVIEW THE CRITERIA FOR DESIGNATION THAT ARE OUTLINED IN THE CODE OF ORDINANCES.
AND THAT'S WHAT WE'VE OUTLINED IN THE PRESENTATION THAT MEETS FOUR OF THOSE CRITERIA.
SO WHAT THE, WHAT THE P AND Z IS TASKED TO DO IS DOES IT MEET THOSE CRITERIA, YES OR NO? AND MAKE THAT RECOMMENDATION TO CITY COUNCIL.
I THINK THE HERITAGE COMMISSION HAS DONE ITS JOB AND, AND Y'ALL HAVE DONE YOUR JOB.
UH, DECENT QUESTIONS, BUT, OKAY.
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I'LL OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING.WE HAVE JAMES GOLDSMITH FROM THE TEXAS POOL FOUNDATION.
THANK YOU, MR. GOLDSMITH'S NAME, ADDRESS, AND, UH, JAMES GOLDSMITH.
I LIVE AT, UH, 28 0 4 BISCAYNE DRIVE IN PLANO, TEXAS, IN THE DALLAS NORTH ESTATES
UH, ONCE AGAIN, I'M JAMES GOLDSMITH.
I'M THE HISTORIAN FOR THE TEXAS POOL FOUNDATION.
SO I'LL GO JUST GIVE YOU A BRIEF RUN THROUGH.
UH, STEVE'S ALREADY TOUCHED ON A LOT OF THE THINGS THAT I'M GONNA DISCUSS BRIEFLY HERE.
UH, TEXAS POOL, OBVIOUSLY WAS FOUNDED IN 19, I FOUND THIS ON THE WEB.
I'M JUST TRYING TO, SHE'S LOOKING UP THE TEXAS POOL.
UH, TEXAS POOL WAS OBVIOUSLY FOUNDED, UH, MADE, UH, BUILT IN 1961, PART OF THE DALLAS NORTH ESTATES BY THE HUNT FAMILY.
UH, HUNT FAMILY ACTUALLY SOLD THE TEXAS POOL TO THE DALLAS NORTH COMMUNITY CLUB IN 1962 FOR THE WHOPPING SUM OF $1.
UH, THE POOL THEN OPERATED FOR THE NEXT 30 TO 40 YEARS.
UH, WE DON'T HAVE A WHOLE LOT OF HISTORY THERE BECAUSE NO ONE WAS KEEPING TRACK OF THESE ITEMS, BUT BACK THEN, BUT ALL OF THE ORIGINAL STRUCTURES OF THE POOL ARE STILL IN PLACE.
UH, THEY'VE BEEN MAINTAINED, AS STEVE MENTIONED PREVIOUSLY, THEY'VE, THEY'VE BEEN THROUGH THE HERITAGE GRANT.
THEY'VE REALLY BEEN IMPROVED UPON AND UPGRADED AND, BUT THEY STILL MAINTAIN THE HISTORIC, UH, FLAVOR OF THE POOL.
UH, 2007, UH, MURAL WAS ADDED TO THE ORIGINAL PUMP HOUSE.
THAT'S WHEN THE TEXAS POOL FOUNDATION WAS FOUNDED.
UH, THE POOL FOUNDATION'S MISSION WAS TO PRESERVE THE TEXAS POOL AS A LANDMARK, SUPPORT THE COMMUNITY THROUGH OUTREACH AND EVENTS, AND TO PROVIDE ACCESS TO SWIM SAFETY LESSONS AND OPPORTUNITIES FOR THE GENERAL PUBLIC.
AND THIS IS ALSO WHEN, YOU KNOW, IT'S A MEMBERSHIP AS HAS BEEN BROUGHT UP ALREADY AT MEMBERSHIP, BUT IT'S ALSO OPEN TO THE PUBLIC FOR VERY REASONABLE DAY RATES AS WELL.
SO IT'S, IT'S REALLY AN IMPORTANT PART, IN MY OPINION, AN IMPORTANT PART OF THE COMMUNITY THAT EVERYONE CAN ATTEND AND EVERYONE CAN HAVE ACCESS TO.
THE TEXAS POOL, UH, THROUGHOUT THE 2000 TENS AND TWENTIES, THAT'S, UH, WHEN A LOT OF, UH, REPAIRS AND UPGRADES HAVE BEEN MADE, ONCE AGAIN, UH, STRICTLY VOLUNTEERS AT THE TEXAS POOL.
SO A LOT OF THAT'S BEEN DONE BY VOLUNTEER AND WITH THE SUPPORT OF THE GRANT, UH, FOUNDATION, UH, THEY'VE REFINISHED THE FLOOR OF THE POOL.
THEY'VE UPGRADED, UH, THE PLUMBING, DONE, VARIOUS MAINTENANCE MARKETING, AND A LOT OF THAT WOULD NOT BE POSSIBLE WITH THE HERITAGE.
UH, GRANT, UH, TEXAS POOL WAS OBVIOUSLY AS TOUCHED ON EARLIER AS THE EARLIEST KNOWN POOL SHAPED LIKE TEXAS.
UH, ALL THE ORIGINAL STRUCTURES ARE STILL PRESENT AND OPERATIONAL.
THERE'S BEEN MINIMAL CHANGES TO THE TEXAS POOL OVER THE YEARS.
UH, PLANO CONSERVANCY, UH, THEY INSTALLED A HISTORICAL MARKER IN 2017, AND THE TEXAS POOL WAS OFFICIALLY ADDED TO THE NATIONAL REGISTER OF HISTORIC PLACES IN 2019.
AND ON A PERSONAL NOTE, UH, I'M, I'M A SIXTH GENERATION TEXAN.
I'VE LIVED IN PLANO FOR FIVE YEARS NOW.
WHEN I DISCOVERED THE TEXAS POOL, I THOUGHT THIS WAS JUST AN AMAZING PART OF OUR COMMUNITY.
UH, I'M EXCITED TO TALK ABOUT IT.
I'M EXCITED TO TALK TO OTHERS ABOUT IT.
AND I REALLY THINK THAT THIS HERITAGE DESIGNATION IS JUST, UH, IT'S AN IMPORTANT WAY TO ENSURE THAT THE POOL'S GONNA BE HERE INTO PERPETUITY.
UM, QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT? UH, MR. ALI? UM, I'LL ADMIT TO BE A LITTLE BIT AMBIVALENT ABOUT THE DESIGNATION AND THIS, WHEN I'M READING THE, THE DEFINITION OF THE DESIGNATION FOR THE PRESERVATION OF THOSE AREAS, PLACES, BUILDING STRUCTURES, WORKS OF ARTS AND OTHER OBJECTS, HAVING SIGNIFICANT HISTORICAL ARCHEOLOGICAL OR CULTURAL INTERESTS AND VALUES WHICH REFLECT THE HERITAGE OF THE CITY OF PLANO.
I WENT INTO A LITTLE BIT OF A RABBIT HOLE LOOKING AT WHAT HAS GOTTEN THE DESIGNATION SO FAR.
AND, YOU KNOW, WHEN I THINK, UH, HISTORICAL SIGNIFICANCE, I THINK OF, UH, THE DAVIS CEMETERY, I THINK OF, UH, S B YT HOUSE.
I THINK OF MS. SHMO, PHOENIX'S HOME, YOU KNOW MM-HMM.
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ALMOST ARE FOOTNOTES IN THE HISTORY OF PLANO.UM, I WOULD ALMOST ARGUE THAT THE DALLAS NOR STATES WAS, IS MORE OF A FOOTNOTE IN THE HISTORY OF PLANO BECOMING SUBURBAN THAN THIS POOL.
SO, I DUNNO IF YOU COULD HELP ME UNDERSTAND HOW THIS FALLS INTO THOSE CATEGORIES THAT ARE PARTICULAR TO THE HISTORY OF PLANO, THE POOL ITSELF, PARTICULARLY TO THE HISTORY OF PLANO.
WELL, I MEAN, IT'S PART OF THE COMMUNITY, AND I THINK WE, I THINK IT'S BEEN TOUCHED ON ALREADY THAT UNTIL 1971, THIS WAS ONE OF THE FEW POOLS WITHIN, UH, PUBLIC POOL WITHIN THE CITY OF PLANO.
UH, IT'S AN IMPORTANT PART OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
I KNOW AS A MEMBER OF THE DALLAS NORTH ESTATES, I MEAN, I, I HAVE A LOT OF PRIDE IN THE TEXAS POOL AND IT EXISTING THERE.
SO I LIKE TO THINK OF IT AS KIND OF A TOUCHSTONE OF THAT NEIGHBORHOOD AND, AND AT, AT AS A GREATER, UH, AS PLANO ITSELF IS KIND OF A TOUCHSTONE.
I THINK, I THINK THAT'S A, A VALID QUESTION IN TERMS OF THAT.
BUT, UM, I, I THINK ONE OF THE CONCERNS I WOULD HAVE WOULD BE IF, IF IT'S NOT APPROVED, THERE'S NOTHING TO PREVENT THEM FROM CHANGING THIS THING WITHOUT GOING THROUGH THE HERITAGE COMMISSION, WHICH CAN WORK HARD TO MAKE SURE THAT IT DOESN'T.
AND SO TODAY WE LOOK AT IT AND THINK MAYBE A LITTLE AMBIVALENT ABOUT IT, FAST FORWARD 50 YEARS, NOW YOU HAVE SOMETHING THAT'S, YOU KNOW, 120 YEARS OLD, BUT HAS BEEN MAINTAINED IN THE SAME CONDITION.
SO I THINK THAT'S ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE CAN DO BY AWARDING THIS DESIGNATION, IS MAINTAIN THIS FOR FUTURE GENERATIONS.
UM, MR. RATLIFF, YOU WERE NEXT.
I THINK YOU SAID ABOUT HALF OF WHAT I WAS ABOUT TO SAY.
I WAS GONNA APPLAUD Y'ALL BECAUSE I KNOW THAT GOING THROUGH THE, THE PROCESS OF GETTING ALL THESE DESIGNATIONS IS AN EFFORT, BUT IT'S ALSO A COMMITMENT.
AND SO I WANTED TO THANK Y'ALL FOR MAKING THAT COMMITMENT, CUZ WHAT YOU'RE TELLING US IS THAT YOU WANT US TO HELP YOU MAKE SURE THAT IT STAYS THAT WAY FOREVER.
I MEAN, THE NATIONAL REGISTER, THAT'S A PRETTY HIGH HURDLE.
I MEAN, I APPLAUD FOR GETTING THAT BECAUSE THAT'S NOT AN EASY TASK.
AND SO, UM, UH, YOU KNOW, IF, IF, UH, IF Y'ALL WANT US TO HELP YOU PRESERVE IT, I, I'M SUPPORTIVE OF THAT AND I APPRECIATE Y'ALL STEPPING UP AND ASKING US TO HELP TIE YOUR HANDS A LITTLE BIT.
UH, NEXT WAS COMMISSIONER CAREY.
UM, GOSH, I, UM, YOU KNOW, I UNDERSTAND, UH, COMMISSIONER OLLIE'S POINT, BUT, YOU KNOW, UM, NOT ALL OF US HAVE BEEN SIXTH GENERATION TEXANS, AND SO WE MIGHT LOOK AT IT A LITTLE DIFFERENT DEPENDING ON HOW LONG WE'VE LIVED IN TEXAS.
YOU KNOW, UM, I, I THINK THIS DOES DESERVE THE, UH, THE DESIGNATION.
UH, IT'S THE FIRST POOL SHAPED BY TEXAS AND TEXAS BASED ON WHAT WE KNOW.
UM, AND, AND AS I READ THE MATERIAL, POSSIBLY WITHOUT THE POOL, THERE WOULDN'T HAVE BEEN THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
SO I DON'T KNOW THAT THE NEIGHBORHOOD IS, IS THE MOST SIGNIFICANT THING BECAUSE WITHOUT THE POOL, IT'S JUST ONE MORE NEIGHBORHOOD THAT MIGHT NOT HAVE BEEN EXISTED BECAUSE BACK THEN THE HUNTS FELT THAT THE POOL WAS NECESSARY TO GET THE ATTENTION.
SO HARD TO, HARD TO ARGUE WITH THAT, IN MY OPINION.
UM, AND, AND SO THE OTHER THING IS, IS THE HERITAGE FOUNDATION IS OUR COMMISSION HAS VOTED SEVEN OH AND I, AND I HAVE TO BELIEVE THAT THEY PUT A LOT OF TIME INTO THIS AND PROBABLY ARE MORE QUALIFIED THAN, THAN ME.
AND I'M JUST SPEAKING FOR ME NO ONE ELSE TO, UH, TO MAKE THIS DECISION.
AND SO I THINK THE POOL'S REALLY GREAT AND, UM, PERSONALLY, AND SO, YOU KNOW, I I I APPLAUD WHAT YOU GUYS ARE DOING PERSONALLY.
COMMISSIONER TONG, UM, REGARDING THE FUTURE OPERATION OF THE SITE, UH, IS AFTER THE DESIGNATION IS RECEIVED, WHAT'S YOUR PLAN ON OPERATING? I, I HEARD A MEMBERSHIP, IS THAT GONNA BE PRE PLANO RESIDENCE ONLY OR CUZ I KNOW OUR PUBLIC POOLS FROM UH, UH, PARK AND REC, YOU, THERE'RE DIFFERENT RATES BETWEEN RESIDENTS AND NON-RESIDENTS IF THEY'RE FROM OUT OF STATE, OR IS THERE A PUBLIC ADMISSION THEY HAVE TO PAY? WHAT KIND OF PLAN YOU HAVE ON THE, UH, UM, KIND OF THE MOVING FORWARD OR, UH, OF ACCESS THE POOL ACCESSING? WELL, I AM THE, JUST THE HISTORIAN OF THE TEXAS POOL, SO I MIGHT NOT BE THE BEST PERSON TO ASK ON THAT, BUT I KNOW THAT THAT MEMBERSHIP IS ENCOURAGED, UH, THROUGHOUT.
AND I WOULD BE WILLING TO BET THAT MOST OF THE PEOPLE WHO ARE ACTUALLY MEMBERS OF THE POOL ARE PROBABLY LOCAL TO EITHER THE NEIGHBORHOOD OR AT LEAST PLANO.
UH, I WOULD ASSUME THAT MOST OF OUR KIND OF DAY PASSES THAT ARE PURCHASED ARE PROBABLY PURCHASED BY FOLKS FROM OUTSIDE OF PLANO, THROUGHOUT THE STATE, ANY VISITORS THAT MIGHT HAPPEN TO BE IN PLANO AT THE TIME.
SO, UH, I KNOW WE ENCOURAGE MEMBERSHIPS SIMPLY BECAUSE THAT'S KIND OF A RECURRING THAT REALLY HELPS WITH THE, THE OPERATION OF THE POOL.
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OKAY.DO WE HAVE ANY MORE SPEAKERS ON THIS ITEM? NO, WE DO NOT.
I WILL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING.
THANK Y'ALL CONFINED DISCUSSION TO THE COMMISSION.
ACCORDING TO THE MATERIALS WE'VE BEEN PROVIDED, UH, THE NORTH DALLAS ESTATES WAS THE FIRST SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT IN PLANO, WEST OF US, 75, THE CENTRAL EXPRESSWAY.
UM, I THINK IT WAS THE HALLMARK OF THE BEGINNING OF PLANOS EXPANSION FROM THE SMALL LITTLE FARMING COMMUNITY, KIND OF AN AFTERTHOUGHT OF A PLACE TO THE CITY.
IT HAS BECOME, UH, UH, IT HAS BECOME TODAY.
THAT WAS THE FIRST INSTANCE OF THE WESTWARD EXPANSION THAT HAS CHARACTERIZED PLANO HISTORICALLY.
SO I THINK THIS DOES HAVE HISTORIC VALUE AND I'M PREPARED TO MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE IT.
UH, MR. RATLIFF, UM, I'M PROUD TO SECOND THAT MOTION.
I APPRECIATE Y'ALL STEPPING FORWARD TO PRESERVE ONE OF OUR RESOURCES AND, UM, I APPRECIATE Y'ALL COMING DOWN HERE ON SECOND.
SO JUST TO BE CLEAR, DID YOU MAKE, YOU SAID YOU WOULD BE WILLING TO MAKE
I MOVE THAT, UH, ZONING CASE 2022 DASH OH 20 B APPROVED FOR HERITAGE LANDMARK DESIGNATION.
UH, MR. ALI, DID YOU LIKE, WOULD YOU LIKE US? UH, JUST TO PUT SOME WORDS AROUND THE WORD OF MY AMBIVALENCE, UM, TO IT, UM, I AGREE WITH COMMISSIONER BRUNO THAT THE DALLAS NOTICE STATE WAS KIND OF LIKE THAT MARKER FOR THAT NETWORK, UH, WESTWOOD EXPANSION.
UM, AND GIVEN THAT THE POOL IN MOST LIKELIHOOD FROM RESEARCH WAS ESSENTIALLY A REACTION TO A DESEGREGATION MOVEMENT AROUND THAT TIME, MY AMBIVALENCE AROUND THIS, OKAY, DO WE MARKET HISTORICAL? THAT BEING SAID, THE HERITAGE COMMISSION IS MUCH CLOSER TO THIS THAN I AM.
IT IS ON THE NATIONAL REGISTER OF HISTORICAL PLACES FOR A REASON.
SO KIND OF WASHES A BIT, BUT JUST TO EXPLAIN MY LENS FURTHER.
SO WE HAVE A MOTION BY COMMISSIONER BOFF OF THE SECOND BY COMMISSIONER REIFF TO APPROVE ITEM ONE.
ITEM CARRIES BY VOTE OF SEVEN TO ZERO WITH ONE ABSTENTION BY MR. O.
[2. (PM) Public Hearing - Replat & Revised Site Plan: Crest Cadillac Addition, Block A, Lot 3R - Major vehicle repair and new vehicle dealer on one lot on 1.4 acres located on the west side of U.S. Highway 75, 870 feet south of Lexington Drive. Zoned Corridor Commercial. Projects #R2023-006 and #RSP2023-010. Applicant: Delynn A. Davidson (Administrative consideration)]
NUMBER TWO.AGENDA ITEM NUMBER TWO, PUBLIC HEARING REPLAT AND REVISED SITE PLAN CREST CADILLAC EDITION BLOCK A LOT THREE R, MAJOR VEHICLE REPAIR AND NEW VEHICLE DEALER ON ONE LOT ON 1.4 ACRES LOCATED AT THE WEST SIDE OF US 70 US HIGHWAY SEVENTY FIVE EIGHT HUNDRED AND SEVENTY FEET SOUTH OF LEXINGTON DRIVE ZONE CORRIDOR COMMERCIAL APPLICANT IS DYLAN A. DAVIDSON.
THIS IS FOR ADMINISTRATIVE CONSIDERATION.
STAFF RECOMMENDS THIS ITEM FOR APPROVAL AS SUBMITTED.
I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THERE ARE, JEAN.
DO WE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF ON THIS ITEM? SEEING NONE, I WILL OPEN.
DO WE HAVE ANY SPEAKERS ON THIS ITEM? UH, THE APPLICANT REPRESENTATIVE IS AVAILABLE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS FROM THE COMMISSION.
DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT? SEEING NONE, I'LL THE PUBLIC HEARING CONFINED DISCUSSION TO THE COMMISSION.
I HAVE A MOTION BY COMMISSIONER BROSKY WITH THE SECOND BY COMMISSIONER BRUNO TO APPROVE.
MR. LAW, THAT ITEM CARRIES BY A VOTE OF SEVEN TO ONE.
SO QUICK HAND VOTE YES THAT CARRIES BY AN ITEM OR CARRIES BY A VOTE OF EIGHT TO ZERO.
I WAS THINKING BOY, MR. O'S REALLY HAVING AN OFF NIGHT TONIGHT.
[3. (RP) Public Hearing - Replat: Collin Creek Single Family, Blocks A-L & Collin Creek, Block M, Lot 1 - 402 single-family residence lots, 25 common area lots, and vacant lot on 100.0 acres located on the east side of Alma Drive, 548 feet north of Plano Parkway. Zoned Urban Mixed-Use-3. Project #R2023-011. Applicant: VM Fund I, LLC and MM CCM 48M, LLC (Administrative consideration)]
PLEASE.AGENDA ITEM NUMBER THREE IS A REPLAT COLIN CREEK, SINGLE FAMILY BLOCKS A THROUGH L AND COLIN CREEK BLOCK M LOT ONE 402, SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENT LOTS, 25, COMMON AREA LOTS AND VACANT LOT ON 100 ACRES LOCATED ON THE EAST SIDE OF ALMA DRIVE.
548 FEET NORTH OF PLANO PARKWAY.
APPLICANT IS VM FUND ONE L L C AND MM M C C M 48 M L L
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C.THIS IS FOR ADMINISTRATIVE CONSIDERATION.
MEMBERS OF THE COMMISSION, I'M RAHA PATE, UM, LEAD PLANNER WITH THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT.
STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF THE REPLAT IS SUBMITTED.
I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU MIGHT HAVE.
ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF ON THIS SIDE? MR. BROSKY? I JUST WANNA SAY, UH, IT WAS DRIVING UP.
ALMA IT IS REALLY EXCITING TO SEE THOSE STREET SIGNS GOING UP AND, UH, ALL OF THESE SINGLE FAMILY HOMES GOING IN.
SO THANK YOU FOR ALL OF YOUR HARD WORK AND KEEPING THIS, UH, ON TRACK AND MOVING FORWARD.
I THOUGHT YOU WERE LOOKING FOR MY NO, BUT
THIS DOESN'T CREATE ANY MORE HOUSING, IT'S JUST REWORKING THE HOUSING ON THE SITE.
AND THEN I'M JUST CURIOUS, IS THIS IN THE EHA? UM, I DON'T REMEMBER.
UM, AND THEN MAYBE THIS ISN'T A QUESTION FOR NOW, BUT WHAT'S THE DIFFERENCE IN ADMINISTRATIVE AND LIKE ADMINISTRATIVE APPROVAL IS JUST FOR, JUST FOR PURPOSES, LEGISLATIVE MEANS FOR ANYONE LISTENING.
LEGISLATIVE MEANS WE HAVE THE ABILITY TO MAKE CHANGES AND PERHAPS ADD REQUIREMENTS.
ADMINISTRATIVE MEANS THAT IF IT MEETS THE REQUIREMENTS, WE HAVE TO DO IT.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? OKAY, THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
DO WE HAVE ANY SPEAKERS ON THE SIDE? NO, WE DO NOT.
PUBLIC HEARING COMBINED DISCUSSION AND COMMISSION.
WE'RE JUST, IT'S A MR. BROSKY NOW.
OH, MR. RATLIFF HAS, UH, SOMETHING THOUGH.
I JUST WANNA SAY, UH, AGAIN, I'M REALLY EXCITED ABOUT THESE HOMES GOING IN.
SO I MOVE THAT WE APPROVE THIS.
OKAY, SO WE HAVE A MOTION BY MR. BROSKY AND A SECOND BY MR. RATLIFF TO APPROVE ITEM THREE, PLEASE VOTE.
THAT ITEM CARRIES EIGHT TO ZERO.
MR. RATLIFF, I THINK YOU SHOULD REACH OVER AND JUST COVER IT.
ITEM FOUR, AGENDA ITEM NUMBER FOUR,
[4. (PM) Public Hearing - Preliminary Replat & Revised Site Plan: Bob Woodruff Park Addition, Block B, Lots 1R & 2 - Park/playground on two lots on 112.8 acres located at the southeast corner of Park Boulevard and Shiloh Road. Zoned Single-Family Residence-6, Single-Family Residence-9, and Agricultural and located within the Parkway Overlay District. Projects #PR2022 026 and #RSP2022-051. Applicant: City of Plano (Administrative consideration)]
PUBLIC HEARING, PRELIMINARY REPLAT AND REVISED SITE PLAN.SITE PLAN PARK PLAYGROUND ON TWO LOTS ON 112.8 ACRES LOCATED AT THE SOUTHEAST CORNER OF PARK BOULEVARD AND SHILOH ROAD ZONE SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENCE SIX AND SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENCE NINE AND ARCH AR AGRICULTURAL AND LOCATED WITHIN THE PARKWAY OVERLAY DISTRICT.
THIS IS FOR ADMINISTRATIVE CONSIDERATION.
STAFF RECOMMENDS THE PRELIMINARY REPLAT FOR APPROVAL SUBJECT TO ADDITION TO INNER ALTERATIONS.
IT'S REQUIRED BY THE ENGINEERING DEPARTMENT AND THE REVISED SITE PLAN RECOMMENDED FOR APPROVAL AS SUBMITTED.
I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS IF YOU HAVE ANY.
MR. RATLIFF, JUST TO CURIOSITY WHY WE'RE PLATING A PARK INTO TWO LOTS EXACTLY.
I BELIEVE IT'S FOR, TO PUT THE DOG PART ON ONE OF THE LOTS AND THEN TO KEEP THE, I BELIEVE IT'S THE CENTER ON THE NORTH EAST, NORTHWEST SIDE AS ITS OWN SEPARATE.
I UNDERSTAND THE, THE, THE NEED TO DO THAT.
IT SEEMS LIKE IT'S ALL PARKLAND.
I'M JUST, WE'RE CURIOUS ANYTHING, UM, AND DO YOU HAVE ANY IDEA WHAT THE SCHEDULE IS? THIS IS A AUXILIARY NOTE.
UM, A SCHEDULE IS ON THE IMPROVEMENTS OF THE DOG PARK.
SO AS SOON AS THIS GETS APPROVED AND THEN THEIR PLANS ARE RELEASED FROM ENGINEERING, THEY CAN START THE IMPROVEMENTS ON THE DOG PARK, WHICH I BELIEVE ARE SHADE STRUCTURES.
THEY'VE BEEN NEEDED OUT THERE A LONG TIME.
SORRY, I MAY BE ABLE TO ANSWER YOUR FIRST QUESTION.
UM, SO WHEN WE HAVE, UH, A LOT, IT IS ALWAYS, UH, A SITE PLAN ASSOCIATED WITH IT.
SO IF THEY HAPPEN TO CHANGE SOMETHING ON THAT SITE, THEY NEED TO, UH, BRING THE ENTIRE LI LOT FORWARD AND IT WILL BE A BURDEN ON TAXPAYER'S MONEY.
SO WE DECIDED TO BREAK IT UP SO THAT IT WILL BE EASIER AND, UM, MINDFUL OF THE TAXPAYER'S MONEY AS WELL.
OTHER QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? THANK YOU.
DO WE HAVE ANY SPEAKERS ON THIS ITEM? NO, WE DO NOT CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING.
ANYBODY WITH MR. BROSKY?
WE APPROVE AGENDA ITEM NUMBER FOUR, UM, SUBJECT TO ADDITIONS AND ALTERATIONS TO THE ENGINEERING PLANS AS REQUIRED BY THE ENGINEERING DEPARTMENT AND THE REVISED SITE PLAN APPROVED AS SUBMITTED BY THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT VERY WELL.
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NEW PLAYERS INVOLVED.COMMISSIONER ALI, UH, GIVES US A MOTION TO APPROVE ITEM FOUR AND SECONDED BY COMMISSIONER TONG, PLEASE VOTE THAT ITEM CARRIES EIGHT TO ZERO NON-PUBLIC HEARING ITEMS. THE PRESIDING OFFICER WILL PERMIT LIMITED PUBLIC COMMENT FOR ITEMS ON THE AGENDA NOT POSTED FOR A PUBLIC HEARING.
PRESIDING OFFICER WILL ESTABLISH TIME LIMITS BASED UPON THE NUMBER OF SPEAKER REQUESTS, LENGTH THE AGENDA, AND TO ENSURE MEETING EFFICIENCY AND MAY INCLUDE A TOTAL TIME LIMIT AGENDA
[5. (KC) Discussion and Action - Revised Site Plan: Turnpike Commons Addition, Block 3, Lot 4 - Retail and restaurant with drive-through on one lot on 2.2 acres located on the north side of Renner Road, 240 feet east of Wyngate Boulevard. Zoned Planned Development-207-Retail and located within the 190 Tollway/Plano Parkway Overlay District. Project #RSP2023-019. Applicant: Plano Renner Retail, LLC (Administrative Consideration)]
NUMBER FIVE IS DISCUSSION AND ACTION REVISED SITE PLAN TURNPIKE COMMONS EDITION BLOCK THREE, LOT FOUR RETAIL AND RESTAURANT WITH DRIVE-THROUGH ON ONE LOT ON 2.2 ACRES LOCATED ON THE NORTH SIDE OF RENNER ROAD, 240 FEET EAST OF WINDGATE BOULEVARD ZONE PLAN DEVELOPMENT 2 0 7 RETAIL AND LOCATED WITHIN THE ONE 90 TOLLWAY PLANO PARKWAY OVERLAY DISTRICT.APPLICANT IS PLANO RENNER, RETAIL L L C.
THIS IS FOR ADMINISTRATIVE CONSIDERATION.
I'M THE SENIOR PLANNER WITH THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT.
THE APPLICANT IS PROPOSING AN IRRIGATED LIVING SCREEN DUE TO THE ENHANCED AESTHETICS A LIVING SCREEN WILL PROVIDE RATHER THAN INSTALLING A MASONRY SCREENING WALL.
THE PLAN DEVELOPMENT REQUIRES THE REAR AND SERVICE SIDES OF NON-RESIDENTIAL BUILDINGS TO BE ORIENTED TOWARDS RESIDENTIAL USES TO BE SCREENED PROVIDED IN ARTICLE 20 OF THE ZONING ORDINANCE.
THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION HAS THE AUTHORITY TO ALLOW AN IRRIGATED LIVING SCREEN IN LIEU OF MASONRY SCREENING WALL.
THE APPLICANT PROPOSES TO PLANT 50 NELLY R STEPHEN HAWLEY TREES ALONG THE 300 FOOT REAR AND SERVICE SIDE OF THE BUILDING.
NELLY RS ARE IDEAL FOR WARM CLIMATES.
THEY CAN STAY GREEN YEAR ROUND AND HAVE A MATURE HEIGHT OF 12 TO 20 FEET.
THERE'S ALSO A 380 FOOT SEPARATION FROM THE PROPOSED IRRIGATED LIVING SCREEN TO THE REAR OF THE SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTS ATTACHED THAT FRONT TREASURE DRIVE ADDING LOT FIVE JUST NORTH OF THE SUBJECT PROPERTY, HAS PLANS TO KEEP THE 10 CEDAR ELM TREES ALONG WHEN YOU DRIVE.
FOR THOSE REASONS, STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF THE REQUEST SUBJECT TO THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION, FINDING THAT A LIVING SCREEN WITH PLANT MATERIALS APPROVED BY THE PLANNING AND ENGINEERING DEPARTMENT WILL PROVIDE BETTER SCREENING AND GRANTING A WAIVER TO THE MASONRY SCREENING WHILE REQUIREMENT ALONG THE NORTHERN PROPERTY LINE.
AND I'D BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.
AND WE HAVE A COUPLE OF PEOPLE, MR. BROSKY.
SO I KNOW JUST RECENTLY, UH, WE SPENT A GREAT DEAL OF TAXPAYER DOLLARS TO REPLACE LIVING SCREENS ALONG, UM, CUSTER ROAD JUST NORTH OF PARKER TO UM, SPRING CREEK.
AND I'M CURIOUS ABOUT THE REASONING THAT WE GO TO TO ALLOW, UM, THE LIVING SCREENS AS OPPOSED TO THE MASONRY SCREENS OR THE THE PERMANENT SCREENS, UH, AND THEN THE LONG TERM EFFECT THAT'S GONNA HAVE ON RESIDENTS IF WE HAVE TO GO BACK AND REPLACE THAT LATER AT THE CITY'S EXPENSE.
THANK YOU FOR BRINGING, UM, THAT UP.
THE, UH, PLANT MATERIAL THAT WAS USED FOR THAT PARTICULAR SITE WAS MAJORLY, UH, RETI FATS, UM, THAT HAPPENS TO BE, UM, SUSCEPTIBLE TO FREEZE DAMAGE.
AND IN LONG TERM IT DOESN'T DO GOOD.
BUT NELLY ARTS, STEVEN HAWLEYS, ARE ONE OF THE BEST, UM, PLANT SPECIES THAT CAN PROVIDE FULL TO THE GROUND SCREENING.
AND IN FACT, ONE OF THE PROBLEMS THAT THEY HAVE, THEY ARE, UM, VERY TOLERANT TO THIS CLIMATE AND THEY SURVIVE.
SO YOU'RE SAYING THAT YOU FEEL CONFIDENT THAT WE'RE NOT GONNA SUBJECT THE CITIZENS TO HAVING TO REPLACE THAT SOMETIME IN THE FUTURE AT THE CORRECT TAXPAYER EXPENSE? N NOT WITH THIS, UH, PLANT SPECIES.
COMMISSIONER TOM, I KIND OF HAVE A SIMILAR CONCERN AS, UH, UH, WHAT, UH, COMMISSIONER BROSKI HAD.
UM, I HEARD WHAT YOU SAID, IT'S NOT LIKELY TO HAVE ANY PROBLEMS WITH THIS TYPE OF SPECIES OR THIS TYPE OF PLANTS, BUT MY QUESTION IS THAT WHAT IF IT HAPPENS? WHAT IF THESE PLANTS DIE? WHAT IF WE ARE ON A DROUGHT FOR A COUPLE YEARS, THIS HAS HAPPENED BEFORE.
WE ARE RESTRICTED D FROM WATER USE.
UH, IF THEY DIE, IF THEY FAIL, UH, WHO'S GONNA PAY TO RESTORE THEM? WHOSE RESPONSIBILITY FOR MAINTAINING THAT WALL? THE WALL OR THE SCREEN OR BOTH?
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BOTH.THE APPLICANT IS HERE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS, BUT BECAUSE THIS IS ON THEIR PROPERTY, THEY WOULD BE SUBJECT TO REPLACING, INSTALLING THE IRRIGATED LIVING SCREEN OR THE MASONRY SCREENING WALL.
SO IT WOULDN'T BE, UH, LIKE A CITY RESPONSIBILITY FOR MAINTAINING THIS, THE, THE WALL AT ALL? THIS WILL BE ON THE PROPERTY OWNER.
UH, COMMISSIONER BURNOFF, UM, NOT BEING A LANDSCAPE PERSON, I HAVE TO ASK THIS.
UM, DOES THE NELLY R STEVENS HOLLY TREE PROVIDE LOWER BRANCHES THAT WOULD PROVIDE SCREENING FROM THE GROUND ALL THE WAY UP TO THE TOP OF THE TREE? YES.
EVEN WHEN THE TREE IS MATURE? YES.
WHAT, WHAT WAS IN THE CONCEPTUAL PLAN FOR THE REST OF THIS PROPERTY BETWEEN THIS SCREEN AND THE RESIDENTIAL? DO YOU RECALL? I DO NOT RECALL.
IS IT, IS IT RESIDENTIAL OR IS IT ANOTHER NON-RESIDENTIAL USE? DO WE KNOW A LONG WIND VIEW DRIVE BETWEEN WIND VIEW AND THIS TRACT THERE CURRENTLY IS AN ASSEMBLY HALL BEING PROPOSED.
SO THERE, AND IT IS, IT WAS WITHIN TRACK ONE, WHICH WAS DESIGNATED, UM, FOR A RETAIL.
SO IT'S A NON-RESIDENTIAL USE THAT WILL BE BETWEEN THIS SCREEN, WHATEVER IT IS.
AND THE RESIDENTIAL USE, IS THAT CORRECT? YES, THAT'S CORRECT.
THE WAY THE SITE IS LAID OUT, THE PARKING LOT IS TOWARDS THE WEST SIDE BETWEEN WIND VIEW AND WINDGATE AND THE SHARED ACCESS DRIVE ON THE NORTH SIDE WHERE THE IRRIGATED LIVING SCREEN IS PROPOSED AND THE BUILDING ITSELF IS ALONG THE EAST SIDE.
SO WHILE TECHNICALLY THIS IS WITHIN SO MANY FEET OF THE SINGLE FAMILY, IT'S NOT GOING TO BE THE PRIMARY BUFFER.
THERE'S GONNA BE ANOTHER STRUCTURE AND ANOTHER DEVELOPMENT BETWEEN THIS DRIVE OR BETWEEN THIS DEVELOPMENT AND THE RESIDENTIAL WITH A KIND OF AN INTERIOR DRIVE.
IS THAT WHAT I'M UNDERSTANDING? MAJORITY OF PARKING LOT WILL BE BETWEEN WIND VIEW AND THE SHARED ACCESS DRIVE.
AND AS STATED IN THE, UM, IN MY PRESENTATION, THERE IS ABOUT 380 FEET FROM THE REAR OF THE SINGLE FAMILY ATTACHED HOUSES TO THE PROPOSED IRRIGATED LIVING SCREEN.
AND MAJORITY OF THAT 380 FEET IS A SURFACE PARKING LOT FOR THE ASSEMBLY HALL.
THANK YOU COMMISSIONER KERRY? YEAH, WE PROBABLY HAVE SOMEBODY HERE BETTER THAN ME TO ASK THIS AND HE'S PROBABLY GONNA ASK ALREADY KNOWS IT NEXT, BUT COMMISSIONER LYLE.
BUT, UM, I USE THESE NELLY LYLES AT MY HOUSE OR THESE, UH, NELLY STEVENS AT MY NELLY LYLES
UM, AND SO, UM, THAT'S HIS NAMED AFTER MR. HE, HE'S PROBABLY WORKING ON THAT.
UM, AND THEY'RE FANTASTIC SCREENS AND THEY CAN GROW PRETTY HIGH.
BUT I DO HAVE THIS QUESTION, DO YOU KNOW WHAT IS THE LIFESPAN OF THESE? BECAUSE ALL PLANTS DO HAVE A LIFESPAN.
DO WE, DO WE KNOW THAT MS. PILATE, COULD YOU HELP ME WITH THAT QUESTION PLEASE? SURE.
UM, I THINK ON AVERAGE IT WILL LAST LESS, UH, MORE THAN 50 YEARS ON AVERAGE.
COMMISSIONER LAW, CAN YOU HELP ME UNDERSTAND THE USE HE HERE? I MEAN, I UNDERSTAND A LOT OF TIMES WE PUT A LIVING SCREEN OR A SOMETHING TO PROTECT ONE USE FROM A SENSITIVE LAND USE LIKE THE RESIDENTIAL, BUT THE RESIDE, I THINK I UNDERSTAND YOU TO SAY THE RESIDENTIAL IS 380 FEET AWAY.
HOWEVER, THE REAR AND SERVICE SIDE IS STILL FACING THEM.
AND SO PER THE PD REQUIREMENTS, WE HAVE TO HAVE A SCREEN MASON, RESCREENING WALL IS REQUIRED.
HOWEVER, WE'RE HERE TONIGHT BECAUSE IN THE ORDINANCE IT TALKS ABOUT AN IRRIGATED LIVING SCREEN BEING ABLE TO BE PROPOSED AND VOTED ON BY THE COMMISSION.
BUT WHAT IS THE LAND USE HERE THAT'S RE THAT'S REQUIRING THE SCREENING? THE RETAIL AND SERVICE SIDE IS FACING THE RESIDENTIAL.
SO THE PROPOSED BUILDING IS A RETAIL AND RESTAURANT WITH A DRIVE THROUGH.
SO THIS WILL HAVE THE BACK DOORS, UM, MAYBE WHERE TRUCKS DROP OFF THEIR PRODUCTS.
AND SO WE'D LIKE FOR THAT TO BE SCREENED FROM THE RESIDENTS.
SEEMS LIKE A LONG 380 FEET AWAY SEEMS LIKE A LONG DISTANCE TO NEED A IT'S MORE THAN JUST, THAN JUST RESIDENTIAL.
IT'S WHATEVER THE ADJOINING PROPERTY OWNER IS, WHETHER IT BE RESIDENTIAL OR RETAIL.
IF IT'S RETAIL AND YOU HAVE CLIENTS WALKING IN, BUT YOU'RE FACING A LOADING DOCK, IT'S NOT AS, SO IS THERE NO SCREEN ALREADY BETWEEN THE RESIDENTIAL AND, WELL, WE KEEP THINKING ABOUT THE COMMERCIAL RESIDENTIAL, BUT THERE'S SOMETHING BETWEEN
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THIS AND THE RESIDENTIAL.SO THAT'S WHAT THEY'RE ACTUALLY IT'S ANOTHER COMMERCIAL USE THOUGH, RIGHT? YES.
BUT WHY WOULD WE NEED TO SCREEN A DRIVE THROUGH FROM RETAIL? IT WAS WHAT WAS DESIGNED IN THE PD ORIGINAL ONE.
I'M JUST WONDERING IF IT'S NEEDED.
I THINK IT'S REQUIRED BECAUSE IT'S WHAT THE ORDINANCE, IT'S THE ZONING THAT'S AGREED TO, SO WE'RE FOLLOWING THE LAW.
COMMISSIONER TO, SO THAT BROUGHT UP ANOTHER QUESTION IS IF I, I'M NOT FAMILIAR WITH THIS TYPE OF REQUEST THAT DO WE NEED TO GET PERMISSIONS OR, UM, FROM THE RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORS OR DO WE NEED TO DO IT JUST LIKE OTHER ZONING CASES? WE NEED TO ASK IF THE SURROUNDING NEIGHBORS WOULD, UH, HAVE ANY RESPONSES TO THIS, THIS CHANGE THAT IS NOT A REQUIREMENT FOR THIS REQUEST, BUT IT IS REQUIRED FOR US TO HAVE A NON-PUBLIC HEARING ITEM AND HAVE YOU AS A BODY VOTE ON IT, ON IF YOU BELIEVE IT IS THE RIGHT CHOICE TO HAVE THE PROPOSED BE ACCEPTED FOR AN IRRIGATED LIVING SCREEN OR IF THE APPLICANT NEEDS TO CONSTRUCT A MASONRY SCREENING WALL INSTEAD.
COMMISSIONER RALEIGH, AGAIN, JUST TO CLARIFY, THE PD STIPULATIONS REQUIRES A SCREEN YES.
OF SOME KIND OF MASONARY SCREEN? WELL, UM, WE, WE HAS BEEN ASKED TO ESSENTIALLY WAIVE THE MASONRY REQUIREMENT TO INSTEAD SUBSTITUTE FOR A LIVING SCREEN.
THE PD LANGUAGE ALLOWED FOR THEM TO DO IT.
THE REQUIREMENT WAS THAT THEY COME BACK TO US FOR THAT REQUEST, BUT THE PD DEFINITELY REQUIRED THE WALL AND IT SAID MASONRY.
THEY HAD AN OPTION, THEY DIDN'T HAVE TO DO THIS, THEY COULD JUST BUILD THE MASONRY WALL, BUT FOR THEIR BENEFIT AND OURS, I THINK THEY SAID, CAN WE PUT A LIVING SCREEN UP THAT LOOKS BETTER FOR EVERYBODY.
SO THEY'RE ASKING OUR PERMISSION.
SO ANY MORE QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? IT'S NOT A PUBLIC HEARING, BUT THE APPLICANT IS HERE IF THERE'S ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS FOR THEM.
DOES ANYONE WANT TO ASK THE APPLICANT A QUESTION AT THIS POINT? NO.
COMMISSIONER, I, I JUST NEED TO CLARIFY SOMETHING.
UH, I THINK THE REQUIRED SCREENING WALL IS PART OF THE ZONING ORDINANCE AND NOT THE PD.
THE PD WAS DESIGNED WITHIN THE ORDINANCE, WHICH REQUIRES THE YES, YES.
AND ON THE CONCEPT PLAN, I DON'T SEE ANY, UM, SCREENING WALL BEING PROPOSED AT THE TIME OF THE ZONING CHANGE.
UM, I PREFER THIS, FRANKLY, A LOT OF PROJECTS I WORK ON, I JUST THINK IT'S A SOFTER LOOK.
IT DOESN'T FALL DOWN OVER TIME.
I MEAN, IT'S JUST, IN MY MIND, IT'S AN OVERALL BETTER, BETTER LOOK.
SO WITH THAT SAID, I'D, I'D LIKE TO, UM, MOVE, WE APPROVE THE LIVING SCREEN AS A SUBSTITUTE FOR THE MASONRY SCREENING REQUIREMENT ALONG THE NORTHERN PROPERTY LINE.
SO WE HAVE A MOTION BY MR. RATLIFF WITH A SECOND BY COMMISSIONER KERRY TO APPROVE THE LIVING SCREEN PERSONALLY.
MR. LAW SPEAKER, UH, IF, IF THERE'S NO WAY TO JUST WAIVE THE REQUIREMENT COMPLETELY, THEN OKAY, BUT I DON'T, I, I THINK WE HAVE THE ABILITY TO WIN CERTAIN SITUATIONS EXIST THAT, UM, I THINK WE CAN WAIVE THE REQUIREMENT AND, I MEAN, I JUST DON'T SEE THE, I MEAN, I FEEL LIKE WE'RE BLOCKING SOMETHING FROM NOTHING.
THERE'S ALREADY A COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT BETWEEN, MY UNDERSTANDING IS THERE'S ALREADY SOMETHING COMMERCIAL BETWEEN THIS PROPERTY AND THE NEXT AND THE RESIDENTIAL.
AND IN THEIR LETTER THEY'RE SAYING IT'S 400 AND SOMETHING FEET AWAY.
SO I DON'T, I MEAN, THIS IS NO SMALL THING.
THIS IS NO SMALL REQUIREMENT THAT WE'RE PLACING ON THESE PEOPLE.
AND I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE WE'RE BLOCKING SOMETHING FOR A REASON.
IT'S NOT AN ADDITIONAL REQUIREMENT.
IT WAS SOMETHING THEY AGREED TO WHEN THEY ORIGINALLY GOT THE, UH, THE PLAN APPROVED.
SO WE'RE NOT, WE'RE NOT REQUIRING SOMETHING ADDITIONAL FROM THEM.
THEY'RE SIMPLY SAYING, WE WOULD RATHER DO A LIVING SCREEN RATHER THAN A MASONRY WALL.
AND IT WAS APPROVED UNDER THE REQUIREMENTS AT THE TIME.
SO I, I DON'T THINK IT'S A PATH WE CAN GO DOWN EVEN ACTUALLY AT THIS POINT.
BUT COMMISSIONER O, YOUR NEXT, UH, I JUST WANTED TO SAY, UH, QUICK GOOGLE SEARCH.
IT'S SUPPOSED TO LAST A HUNDRED YEARS, NOT 50, IF THAT HELPS.
SO TO WHOEVER'S POINT WAS THAT THESE MAY DIE.
THIS GROUP DOESN'T NEED TO WORRY ABOUT THAT
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IT ALL BACK CENTER.UH, I, I DO KNOW THAT I HAD HOLLY SPENT AROUND MY HOUSE WHEN WE MOVED IN AND WE DUG 'EM UP AND I SPENT THE NEXT 10 YEARS TRYING TO GET RID OF 'EM.
SO WE HAVE A MOTION BY COMMISSIONER RATTLER WITH A SECOND BY COMMISSIONER CAREY TO APPROVE THIS REQUEST.
ITEM FIVE, PLEASE VOTE MR. BROSKY.
AND THAT CARRIES EIGHT TO ZERO.
[6. (MZ) Discussion and Action: Parks, Recreation, Trails & Open Space Master Plan Update - Discussion and direction pertaining to amendments to the Parks Master Plan Map, Bicycle Transportation Plan Map, Future Land Use Map, and other related sections of the Comprehensive Plan associated with an ongoing update of the Parks, Recreation, Trails & Open Space Master Plan. Project #DI2023-009. Applicant: City of Plano (Administrative Consideration)]
ITEM SIX, AGENDA ITEM NUMBER SIX, DISCUSSION AND ACTION PARKS, RECREATION TRAILS, AND OPEN SPACE MASTER PLAN.UPDATE DISCUSSION AND DIRECTION PERTAINING TO THE AMENDMENTS, TO THE PARKS MASTER PLAN MAP, BICYCLE TRANSPORTATION PLAN, MAP, FUTURE USE LAND, I'M SORRY, FUTURE LAND USE MAP AND OTHER RELATED SECTIONS OF THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
ASSOCIATED WITH AN ONGOING UPDATE OF THE PARKS, RECREATION TRAILS, AND OPEN SPACE MASTER PLAN.
THIS IS FOR ADMINISTRATIVE CONSIDERATION.
GOOD EVENING, EVENING COMMISSION.
MY NAME IS MARYAM ZER, PLANNER WITH THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT.
THE PURPOSE OF THIS AGENDA ITEM IS TO PRESENT A DETAILED BRIEFING OF CHANGES TO THE PARKS AND RECREATION MASTER PLAN IN ADVANCE OF A PUBLIC HEARING ON THE COMP ON THE CORRESPONDING COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
MAP AMENDMENTS CURRENTLY SCHEDULED FOR JUNE 19TH, THE PARKS AND RECREATION DEPARTMENT IS WORKING ON THE UPDATE OF THE CITY'S PARKS, RECREATION TRAILS, AND OPEN SPACE MASTER PLAN, ALSO KNOWN AS THE PARKS AND RECREATION MASTER PLAN.
THIS DOCUMENT, UM, THIS DOCUMENT IS THE DEPARTMENT'S LONG-TERM ACTION PLAN THAT PROVIDES GUIDANCE TO THE DEPARTMENT, ESTABLISHES GOALS AND RECOMMENDATIONS AND IDENTIFIES NEEDS RELATED TO BOTH EXISTING AND FUTURE FACILITIES.
THE LAST MAJOR UPDATE WAS ADOPTED IN 2018, AND THE PARKS AND RECREATION DEPARTMENT ENGAGED HALF ASSOCIATES INCORPORATED IN EARLY 2022 TO SUPPORT THE DEPARTMENT WITH ITS CURRENTLY ONGOING UPDATE ACTION.
ONE OF THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, UM, PLANS, PARKS AND RECREATION POLICY IS TO IMPLEMENT THE PARKS AND RECREATION MASTER PLAN AND UPDATE THE PLAN EVERY FIVE YEARS.
THE CURRENT UPDATE IS IN LINE WITH THE DIRECTION PROVIDED BY THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
THE UPDATE WILL INCLUDE THE PARKS MASTER PLAN, MAP, BICYCLE TRANSPORTATION MAP, AND THE FUTURE LAND USE MAP OF THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
ALL DRAFTS THAT ARE SHOWN INCLUDE THE LOCATION AND DESCRIPTION OF THE PROPOSED CHANGES.
UM, THE DRAFT OF THE FUTURE LAND USE MAP OUTLINES THE PROPOSED CHANGES TO THE OPEN SPACE NETWORK CATEGORY.
AND AS PROPOSED, THERE ARE TWO MAJOR CHANGES AS PART OF THE PARKS AND RECREATION MASTER PLAN UPDATE.
THESE CHANGES INCLUDE THE ADDITION OF NEW PARKS WOULD CHANGE THE FUTURE LAND USE DESIGNATION TO OPEN SPACE NETWORK AND ADJUSTED BOUNDARIES OF EXISTING PARKS, WHICH ALSO CHANGED THE OPEN SPACE NETWORK CATEGORY BOUNDARIES RESPECTIVELY, WHERE NEW PARKS ARE PROPOSED.
THE CHANGES TO THE OPEN SPACE CATEGORY OF THE FUTURE LAND USE MAP ARE NEGLIGIBLE AND WILL HAVE MINOR IMPACTS ON THE LAND USE MIX STAFF FROM THE PARKS AND RECREATION DEPARTMENT AND THEIR CONSULTANT HALF ASSOCIATES ARE HERE THIS EVENING TO BRIEF THE COUNT OR THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION ON THE PROJECT AND TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.
UM, BUT BEFORE I HAND IT OVER TO THE CONSULTANT, I JUST WANNA PROVIDE A BRIEF OVERVIEW OF THE TIMELINE OF THIS PROJECT.
ON APRIL 3RD, WE REQUESTED A CALL FOR PUBLIC HEARING, AND THEN DURING THE MONTH OF APRIL AND INTO EARLY MAY, THE DRAFT OF THE PARKS AND RECREATION MASTER PLAN WAS AVAILABLE ONLINE FOR PUBLIC REVIEW AND COMMENT.
THOSE COMMENTS WERE INCORPORATED IN A FINAL DRAFT IS AVAILABLE ONLINE AT THIS TIME THIS EVENING, WE ARE PRESENTING A DETAILED BRIEFING OF CHANGES TO THE PARKS AND RECREATION MASTER PLAN.
A P N Z PUBLIC HEARING IS ANTICIPATED FOR JUNE 19TH, FOLLOWING CITY COUNCIL PUBLIC HEARING ON JULY 24TH.
STAFF RECOMMENDS THAT THE COMMISSION PROVIDE DIRECTION AT THE CONCLUSION OF TONIGHT'S PRESENTATION.
KENDALL HOWARD WITH HALF ASSOCIATES IS HERE THIS EVENING TO PROVIDE AN OVERVIEW REGARDING PROPOSED UPDATES TO THE PARKS AND RECREATION MASTER PLAN, PARKS, MASTER PLAN, MAP AND BICYCLE TRANSPORTATION PLAN.
AND GOOD EVENING COMMISSIONERS.
AGAIN, MY NAME IS KENDALL HOWARD WITH, UH, HALF ASSOCIATES.
SO I'VE BEEN FORTUNATE TO BE ABLE TO WORK WITH, UM, THE GREAT, UH, CITY OF PLANO, PARKS AND REF STAFF,
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PARKS AND REC STAFF.AND WE ALSO HAVE, UM, SOME MEMBERS OF THE PARKS AND REC BOARD HERE TONIGHT THAT HAVE BEEN, UM, INTEGRAL TO THE DEVELOPMENT OF THIS PLANS.
WANTED TO TELL THEM THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE THIS EVENING.
UM, SO WE STARTED THIS PROCESS, UH, LAST YEAR, AND AS MIRIAM MENTIONED, THE LAST COMPREHENSIVE UPDATE TO THE PARK SYSTEM MASTER PLAN WAS DONE IN 2018.
AND SO THIS DOES SERVE AS A FIVE-YEAR UPDATE TO GUIDE THE DEVELOPMENT AND IMPROVEMENT OF PARKS, TRIALS AND RECREATION FACILITIES.
AND AS IT RELATES TO THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, UM, THE TWO CORE MAPS OF THE PARK SYSTEM MASTER PLAN THAT WE WANT TO REVIEW THE CHANGES, PROPOSED CHANGES WITH YOU TONIGHT ARE THE PARK MASTER PLAN MAP AND THE BICYCLE TRANSPORTATION PLAN MAP.
SO JUST SOME REMINDERS, UM, ABOUT THE, THE COMPONENTS OF THE PLAN.
THE SYSTEM PLAN TAKES A DEEP DIVE, LOOK AT EXISTING AND FUTURE NEEDS FOR PARKS AND OPEN SPACE, ATHLETIC FIELDS, TRAIL AND BIKEWAYS, AND INDOOR RECREATION AND AQUATICS.
AND SO THE FIRST SYSTEM-WIDE PARK MASTER PLAN FOR PLANO WAS DONE BACK IN THE 1970S.
IT'S BEEN UPDATED EVERY FEW YEARS SINCE THEN.
UM, IT'S IMPORTANT TO NOTE THAT THE, THE MASTER PLAN IS NOT A FUNDING DOCUMENT, RATHER IT IDENTIFIES THE PRIORITIES, UM, THAT WILL AND GUIDANCE THAT WILL LATER BE FUNDED, UM, THROUGH VOTER APPROVED BOND AUTHORITY INITIATIVES AND THROUGH THE ANNUAL CITY'S BUDGET, UH, PROCESS WITH CITY COUNCIL APPROVAL.
UM, SO THE, THE MAIN PURPOSE IS TO SEEK COMMUNITY AND STAKEHOLDER INPUT, ESTABLISH GOALS AND RECOMMENDATIONS AND IDENTIFY NEEDS.
UM, A NEW PLAN IS ALSO REQUIRED FOR ACCREDITATION PURPOSES THROUGH THOSE, UH, COMMISSION FOR ACCREDITATION OF RECREATION AND, AND PARKS, UM, AGENCIES, UH, OF WHICH THE CITY OF PLANO HAS BEEN ACCREDITED FOR A NUMBER OF YEARS, AND ALSO TO BE ELIGIBLE FOR CERTAIN GRANT FUNDING PROGRAMS. SO FOR THIS PLAN UPDATE, WE DID A VARIETY OF OUTREACH EFFORTS.
WE HAD A STATISTICALLY VALID SURVEY THAT WAS SENT OUT TO A RANDOM SAMPLING OF RES RESIDENTS IN PLANO.
UM, WE NEEDED 400 RESPONDENTS TO BE STATISTICALLY VALID, AND WE RECEIVED OVER 500 RE RESPONSES THROUGH THAT METHOD.
WE ALSO HAD THOSE SAME QUESTIONS AVAILABLE COMMUNITY-WIDE, AND WE GOT AN ADDITIONAL 100 RESPONSES FROM THAT METHOD.
WE ALSO HAD TWO SERIES OF VIRTUAL ENGAGEMENT ROOMS. SO INSTEAD OF HAVING A PHYSICAL IN, UH, OPEN HOUSE, PEOPLE COULD VISIT AN ENGAGEMENT ROOM ONLINE AND PROVIDE FEEDBACK.
SO OVER THE COURSE OF THOSE TWO, UM, ROOMS, WE HAD OVER 200 VISITORS THAT WAY.
UM, WE ALSO ENGAGED WITH THE PARK BOARD EXTENSIVELY THROUGHOUT THIS PROCESS WITH FIVE TOTAL MEETINGS, AND THEY DID UNANIMOUSLY RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF THIS PARK MASTER PLAN UPDATE AT THEIR MAY 2ND MEETING.
AND THE ADVERTISING, UM, ENGAGEMENT EFFORTS WERE ALSO ADVERTISED AT THE RECENT PARKS AND REC TOWN HALL MEETING, AS WELL AS THE EARTH DAY VENDOR FAIR IN TERMS OF ADVERTISING EFFORTS AND NOTIFICATIONS.
YOU CAN SEE ALL THE LOGOS THERE OF THE VARIOUS NEWS OUTLETS THAT, UM, THE, THE PARK STAFF DID A, A GREAT, A GREAT JOB OF GETTING THE WORD OUT.
UM, JUST ANECDOTALLY, I'M A RESIDENT OF PLANO AND I GOT LOTS OF EMAILS, UM, AND NEWSLETTERS ABOUT, UH, WAYS TO PARTICIPATE.
SO, UM, THERE ARE LOTS OF, UM, LOTS OF OUTLETS FOR, FOR, UH, PEOPLE TO GET INVOLVED.
UM, THERE ARE ALSO SOME, UM, EMAILS THAT WENT OUT TO PRIOR COMPREHENSIVE PLAN PARTICIPANTS, RECREATION MEMBERS, AS WELL AS CRIME WATCH AND HOA MEMBERS.
SO, UM, I WON'T GO INTO DETAIL ABOUT ALL THE ANALYSIS THAT WAS DONE.
THERE WAS A VERY EXTENSIVE NEEDS ASSESSMENT THAT, UM, WAS UPDATED AS PART OF THIS PLAN UPDATES, ONE OF THE THINGS WE LOOK AT IS PARK SYSTEM ACCESS.
SO THERE'S A BIG PUSH NATIONWIDE FOR, UM, FOR ENCOURAGING, UH, COMMUNITIES TO TRY TO PROVIDE A QUALITY AND SAFE PARK WITH A 10 MINUTE WALK OF THEIR HOME.
AND PLANO IS REALLY EXCELLING IN THIS.
UM, IN THIS REALM, ABOUT 77% OF PLANO RESIDENTS TODAY ARE WITH A 10, WITHIN A 10 MINUTE WALK TO THE PARK.
SO NATIONWIDE, IT'S JUST BELOW 60% OF RESIDENTS ARE WITHIN A 10 MINUTE WALK TO THE PARK.
SO, UM, THERE'S A REALLY GREAT, UM, REALLY GREAT ACCESS, BUT IT'S NOT A HUNDRED PERCENT YET.
SO PART OF WHAT THIS PLAN LOOKS AT, UM, IS TRYING TO RAISE THE BAR TO, UM, PROVIDE EVEN MORE ACCESS TO, TO PARKS, UM, AND RECREATION FACILITIES.
AND THEN WE ALSO LOOK AT LEVEL OF SERVICE IN TERMS OF, UM, THE NUMBER OF ACRES PER CAPITA.
SO TODAY PLANO IS PROVIDING ABOUT 14.5 ACRES PER EVERY THOUSAND RESIDENTS.
UM, THE CITY'S THIS IS ABOVE, UH, NATIONAL AVERAGES, BUT TRADITIONALLY THE CITY HAS
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SET A GOAL OF 15 ACRES PER THOUSAND.SO WE'RE JUST SHY, UM, OF THAT NUMBER.
AND AS YOU KNOW, UM, WITH FUTURE POPULATION GROWTH, IF NO MORE PARKS WERE ESTABLISHED OR NO MORE PARK LANE WERE REQUIRED, THAT LEVEL OF SERVICE WOULD CONTINUE TO GO DOWN.
SO PART OF THE FOCUS OF THIS PLAN, UM, GIVEN THAT THE COMMUNITY IS PRIMARILY BUILT OUT IS, UM, TO FOCUS ON DEVELOPING, UH, CURRENTLY UNDEVELOPED PARKLAND.
UM, THERE ARE SOME PARK SITES WITHIN THE CITY THAT ARE DESIGNATED AS PARKLAND, BUT THEY DON'T HAVE ANY AMENITIES YET.
SO ONCE THEY'RE PROGRAMMED AND DEVELOPED WITH AMENITIES, THAT WOULD INCREASE THE LEVEL OF SERVICE.
UM, AS WELL AS IDENTIFYING SOME STRATEGIC, UM, GAPS IN PARK SERVICE TO LOOK AT SOME STRATEGIC ACQUISITIONS FOR PARKLAND MOVING FORWARD.
SO THIS MAP SHOWS THE OVERALL, UM, GENERAL SERVICE AREAS FOR THE VARIOUS PARK TYPES WITHIN THE CITY OF PLANO.
AND YOU CAN SEE THAT THE AREAS THAT FALL OUTSIDE OF A A PARK SERVICE AREA, UM, TRADITIONALLY ARE AREAS THAT HAVE NOT BEEN RESIDENTIAL.
SO UP UNTIL THE PAST DECADE OR SO, THE NORTHWESTERN PART OF THE CITY, UM, PRIMARILY WAS CORPORATE HEADQUARTERS.
JUST NOW THEY'RE STARTING TO BE MORE RESIDENTIAL COMPONENT IN THAT AREA.
AND THEN THE FAR SOUTHERN PORTIONS, UM, SOUTHEAST OF DOWNTOWN IS PRIMARILY THE, THE INDUSTRIAL HUB OF, OF THE COMMUNITY.
SO THIS IS THE PROPOSED UPDATE TO THE PARK MASTER PLAN MAP.
SO, UM, IT IDENTIFIES THE EXISTING PARKS IN THE DARK GREEN, UH, PROPOSED PARKS AND THE LIGHTER GREEN.
SO THESE ARE, UM, UH, PARKS THAT ARE, ARE PROPOSED FOR, UH, FUTURE ACQUISITION.
UM, AND ALSO IDENTIFIES PRIVATE OPEN SPACE.
SO THESE ARE SPACES SUCH AS PRIVATE GOLF COURSES, UM, AND PARKS THAT ARE, UM, LIMITED IN IN TERMS OF WHO CAN CAN USE THEM.
UM, AND THEN IT ALSO IDENTIFIES, UH, TRAILS ON PARKLAND AS WELL.
SO THIS NEXT SLIDE, UH, INDICATES ALL OF THE PROPOSED CHANGES FROM THE, UM, FROM THE LAST PARK MASTER PLAN MAP THAT WAS, UM, ADOPTED IN IN 2021.
UM, SO I'LL JUST TOUCH ON, UM, KIND OF THE WHOLESALE CHANGES.
SO, UH, WE INCLUDED UPDATES TO, UM, MAKE REFERENCE TO PARKS THAT ARE NOW EXISTING.
SO AN EXAMPLE ARE THE, UM, THE PARK SITES THAT HAVE BEEN DEDICATED IN THE, THE COL CREEK, FORMER COL CREEK MALL AREA.
UM, WE'VE ALSO MADE SOME ADJUSTMENTS TO SOME PROPOSED PARKLAND, UM, BASED ON, UM, UH, EXISTING AND ONGOING DEVELOPMENT PROJECTS.
UM, YOU'LL NOTICE ON, UM, IN THE FAR NORTHERN PORTION, NORTHEAST PORTION OF THE CITY THAT IS, UM, THE WATERS CREEK GOLF COURSE THERE.
SO, UM, YOU KNOW, THIS IS A, A LONG RANGE PLAN.
SO IF THERE WERE EVER OPPORTUNITIES, UM, THAT THE, UM, THE OWNERSHIP OF THAT, OF THAT PARK PARKLAND ARE THAT GOLF COURSE WERE TO CHANGE HANDS, THAT WOULD BE A PRIME LOCATION TO CONTINUE TO EXPAND THE, THE CITY'S LARGE GREEN BELT IN THAT AREA.
UM, AND THEN AGAIN, JUST A ADDITIONAL, UM, PROPOSED OPEN SPACES TRYING TO FILL IN THE GAPS PRIMARILY IN THE, THE NORTHWESTERN PORTION OF THE COMMUNITY.
AND THEN THE SECOND MAJOR MAP IS THE BICYCLE TRANSPORTATION PLAN, UH, MAP.
SO THIS SHOWS, UM, THE EXISTING AND PROPOSED BICYCLE, UH, TRANSPORTATION FACILITIES INCLUDING, UM, ON STREET BIKE ROUTES, CYCLE TRACKS, BIKE LANES, AS WELL AS SHARED USE PATHS.
UM, SO ALL THE DASHED LINES FOR, UM, THE SHARED USE PATH FACILITIES ARE PROPOSED.
SO WE HAVE ANOTHER SLIDE HERE THAT AGAIN INDICATES THE CHANGES THAT HAVE BEEN MADE SINCE THE 2021 MAP.
UM, A LOT OF THESE ARE RELATED TO, UM, UH, UH, FACILITIES THAT HAVE BEEN BUILT SINCE THAT TIME, AS WELL AS PROPOSING SOME ADDITIONAL, OH, ADDITIONAL CONNECTIONS.
DID SOMEONE ELSE MOVE IT? SORRY.
UM, AND SO, UM, LOOKING AT, UM, YEAH, ADDITIONAL, UM, ADDITIONAL CONNECTIONS TO SURROUNDING COMMUNITIES AND THEN CLOSING SOME, COMPLETING SOME, UM, STRATEGIC GAPS WITHIN THE, THE TRAIL NETWORK AS WELL.
UM, SO MIRIAM WENT THROUGH THE REMAINING SCHEDULE JUST WITHIN THE PAST COUPLE DAYS.
UM, WE HAVE HAD A CHANGE IN THE SCHEDULE, SO WE WILL NOT BE DOING THE MAY 22ND COUNCIL BRIEFING.
WE WILL BE DOING, UM, THE PUBLIC OPEN MEETING BRIEFING AND, UM, CITY COUNCIL APPROVAL MEETING BOTH ON, UH, JULY 24TH.
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UM, WE WILL, UM, HOPEFULLY BE COMING BACK HERE ON JUNE 19TH, UM, TO SEEK APPROVAL FOR THE PLAN UPDATE.SO THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME TONIGHT AND I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.
CAN YOU GO BACK TO SLIDE 68? YES.
AND I DON'T KNOW IF MAYBE YOU'RE THE RIGHT ONE TO ANSWER IT, BUT I WANTED QUICKLY TO RUN THROUGH THESE ITEMS ONE THROUGH 13, UH, AND NOT NECESSARILY ALL OF THEM, BUT HAVING MAYBE AN UNDERSTANDING, UM, UH, OF A COUPLE ITEMS MM-HMM.
REMOVE THE PROPOSED TRAIL AND TRAIL CONNECTIONS.
IS THAT BECAUSE IT DOESN'T MAKE SENSE TO BE IN THE PLAN ANYMORE OR IS IT BECAUSE OF DIFFICULTIES GETTING RIGHTS AWAY? OR WHY WOULD WE REMOVE A CONNECTION WHEN THIS OLD TRAIL SYSTEM WAS DESIGNED AROUND CONNECTIONS TO ADJOINING MUNICIPALITIES? THANK YOU.
I'M RON SMITH, YOUR PARKS AND RECREATION DIRECTOR.
I'M HERE WITH MY COLLEAGUES FROM THE PARK PLANNING DIVISION.
RENEE JORDAN IS OUR PARK PLANNING DIVISION MANAGER, AND LIZ DEL TURCO IS HERE WITH ME TONIGHT.
SHE IS OUR PARK PLANNING SUPERVISOR.
RENEE WOULD BE ABLE TO ANSWER THE QUESTION REGARDING THE STRATEGIC PLAN FOR THOSE TRAIL CONNECTIONS.
SO WE'VE HAD CONVERSATIONS WITH THE CITY OF THE COLONY, UM, THAT'S THE NUMBER ONE LOCATION.
UM, I DUNNO IF YOU CAN TELL, BUT THERE IS A, UM, A, A RAIL LINE THERE.
SO, AND YOU ADDED A PROPOSED CONNECTION TO THE COLONY.
SO IS IT REALLY A, A CASE OF REPLACING ONE WITH THE OTHER? IT IS.
UM, IN TERMS OF ALL THE ADDED PROPOSED PARKS, YES.
UM, ARE THESE ALL, UH, LOCATIONS THAT HAVE BEEN IN IDENTIFIED AND FOR EXAMPLE, HAVE BOND DOLLARS ALLOCATED ALREADY OR NO, THESE ARE ALL FUTURE LOCATIONS THAT WE WANT TO ASK FOR BOND FUNDS TO PURCHASE.
SO WE TYPICALLY, UM, IN OUR PARK MASTER PLAN IDENTIFY FUTURE LAND ACQUISITIONS.
AND SO THESE ARE ACTUALLY FUTURE LAND ACQUISITIONS.
SO FOR EXAMPLE, TWO THROUGH FOUR, UH, THREE, TWO AND THREE, THEY'LL BE, UM, CALLED OUT AS PROPOSED PARKLAND, WHICH MEANS WE'RE LOOKING, UH, FOR PROPERTIES TO ACQUIRE IN THAT AREA.
UM, A COUPLE OF THESE SPOTS, I THINK WE, THE CITY ALREADY OWNS THE LAND.
UM, AND I'M GONNA GO WITH ITEM NINE I BELIEVE, WHICH IS BASICALLY THE NORTH 40 OVER HERE, WHICH IS A PARKING LOT RIGHT NOW, I BELIEVE.
UM, SO THAT IS ACTUALLY, UM, SOME BLOTS ON AVENUE L.
UM, WE ACTUALLY OWN A FEW OF THEM, UM, BUT THERE'S ONE WE'RE TRYING TO ACQUIRE.
UM, 16 0 5, 16 0 7 16 0 9 L AVENUE.
UM, IS, IS WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT RIGHT THERE.
THAT IS NOT THE NORTH 40 IS IT IS BEHIND THE NORTH 40 TO THE EAST.
SO SIDE ACCUMULATED SOME OF THEM, BUT NOT ALL OF THE LOTS THAT WE NEED AT THIS POINT.
UM, AND THIS IS HISTORIC AND MORE FOR INFORMATION, BUT THE, UH, ITEM 12, WHICH IS THE, WHAT DID IT USE CHASE? IT'S WATERS, WATERS CREEK.
BUT IT USED TO BE A DIFFERENT GOLF COURSE THEY CALLED CHASE OAKS.
YEAH, IT WAS CHASE OAKS ORIGINALLY.
AND THEN I THINK WE HAD AN OPPORTUNITY TO BUY THAT AT ONE POINT.
UH, I, I'M, I SHUDER TO THINK OF WHAT IT MIGHT COST NOW WHEN WE COULD HAVE HAD IT 10 YEARS AGO, SO.
BUT I THINK THAT WOULD BE AN INCREDIBLE ADDITION IF WE COULD FIGURE OUT A WAY TO, TO MAKE THAT HAPPEN.
UM, WE HAVE SOME OTHER QUESTIONS, MR. BROSKY.
SO FIRST I WANNA SAY THANK YOU ON A TREMENDOUS JOB.
UH, IT IS, I BELIEVE ONE OF THE CROWN JEWELS OF PLANO IS OUR PARKS, UH, AND RECREATION DEPARTMENT.
I ALSO WANT TO SAY, UM, UH, A LOT OF THANK YOU, UH, YOU KNOW, THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, WE CALLED OUT FOR A PROACTIVELY SEEKING COMMUNITY INPUT AND UPDATES, UH, WHEN NEEDED WITH OPPORTUNITY FOR THE PUBLIC TO HAVE TO BE CONTINUALLY HEARD.
AND, UH, YOU GUYS HAVE DONE A TREMENDOUS JOB OF FINDING CREATIVE, INNOVATIVE WAYS, UH, TO REACH OUT AND ALLOW EVERYBODY IN THE COMMUNITY TO REALLY PROVIDE FEEDBACK AND TO BE HEARD.
AND SO I JUST WANNA SAY, UH, FROM THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN STANDPOINT, THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR CONTINUING THE EFFORT OF BEING VERY PROACTIVE AND DESIRING TO HEAR WHAT OUR COMMUNITY HAS TO SAY SO THAT YOU CAN PROVIDE IT FOR US.
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THE, UH, THE BIKE CONNECTORS WAS ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I HEARD SEVERAL TIMES DURING THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN COMMISSION'S, UH, TIME OF SOME OF THE CONNECTORS.AND YOU GUYS HAVE CERTAINLY BROUGHT THROUGH SOME OF THOSE.
AND SO I'M REALLY EXCITED TO SEE THAT AS WELL.
SO THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR ALL YOUR HARD WORK.
YES, THANK YOU COMMISSIONER MORALES.
UM, JUST AN INCREDIBLE PIECE OF WORK.
I HAVE TO TELL YOU THAT DURING THE PANDEMIC THAT WAS RELATIVELY NEW TO TOWN AND WE FOUND THE TRAILS MAP AND PROCEEDED TO EXPLORE A LOT OF THE EAST SIDE OF TOWN, UM, BY USING THE TRAILS MAP.
AND SO, UH, IT'S SOMETHING THAT WAS A, A VERY VALUABLE TOOL FOR US TO FIGURE OUT HOW TO GET AROUND ON OUR BICYCLE AND WALKING WHEN WE WERE DESPERATE TO GET OUTTA THE HOUSE.
UM, WITH THAT SAID, I, I NOTICED A COUPLE OF JUST ITEMS THAT, THAT WERE NOT, UH, I'D LIKE TO SEE UPDATED NUMBER ONE ON THE SCREEN.
I THINK WE JUST APPROVED AN EASTWEST TRAIL IN THE HAGGARD FARMS EDITION THAT GOES UNDER THE POWER LINES.
YOU SHOW THE PART, BUT THIS TRAIL ISN'T SHOWN ON THE TRAILS MAP.
UM, AND THEN THE ONE THAT I USE ON A FAIRLY REGULAR BASIS IS THE ONE THAT ACTUALLY GOES ON THE DART RAIL FROM DOWNTOWN DOWN TO CITY LINES.
AND THAT'S SHOWN AS FUTURE ON THE TRAILS MAP.
UM, AND I ASSURE YOU IT IS VERY HEAVILY USED
SO, UM, BUT IT IS JUST SUCH A GREAT TOOL IF IT, IF IT'S ANOTHER FIVE YEARS, I'D SURE LIKE TO MAKE SURE PEOPLE HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO USE 'EM BY KNOWING THEY, THEY'RE EXISTING TODAY AS NOT, AND NOT PROPOSED IN THE FUTURE.
BUT, UM, IT IS SOMETHING THAT I KNOW WILL WE LOOK AT ROUTINELY TO TRY TO FIGURE OUT WHERE WE'RE GONNA GO AND GO TAKE A WALK OR GO TAKE A RIDE.
SO THANK YOU FOR KEEPING THAT CURRENT SO WE CAN ALL ENJOY 'EM.
THANKS COMMISSIONER KERRY? YEAH, THANK YOU.
UM, HAPPY TO ECHO THE, THE POSITIVE THOUGHTS FROM FELLOW COMMISSIONERS HERE.
JUST A COUPLE REAL QUICK QUESTIONS.
UM, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I NOTICED, AND, AND I, IF MY MATH IS RIGHT, IT APPEARS WE HAVE THREE DOG PARKS IN TOWN.
IS IS THAT ACCURATE? YES, SIR.
AND, AND MY QUESTION IS, HAVE WE LOOKED AT THE USAGE THERE AND, AND IS THAT ENOUGH AND ARE THEY, ARE THEY GEOGRAPHICALLY SITUATED FOR THE BENEFIT OF THE COMMUNITY? BECAUSE INCREASINGLY IT SEEMS LIKE PEOPLE HAVE MORE AND MORE DOGS
SO WE HAVE A DOG PARK ON THE WEST SIDE OF TOWN, UH, WINDHAVEN MEADOWS PARK.
WE HAVE ONE, THE CENTRAL AREA OF TOWN, JACK CARTER PARK, AND WE HAVE ONE ON THE EAST SIDE OF TOWN, BOB WOODRUFF, UM, DOG PARK.
UM, AND WE REALLY NEED THOSE TO BE, UM, A LARGE PARK SITE, UM, A COMMUNITY PARK SITE WHERE THERE'S ABILITY FOR PEOPLE TO PARK.
UM, WE NEED SOME SPACE AWAY FROM SINGLE FAMILY SO THERE'S NOT, YOU KNOW, SOME NUISANCE ISSUES WITH THAT SOUND AND, AND WHATNOT.
SO, UH, WE FEEL LIKE AT THIS POINT IN TIME, WE HAVE, UH, FULFILLED OUR PARK MASTER PLAN IN TERMS OF DOG PARKS.
UH, BUT WE ARE OPEN TO CONTINUING TO HEAR THAT, YOU KNOW, WHAT WE'RE HEARING FROM THE CITY, UM, OUR CITIZENS AND, AND, UH, LOOK AT WHAT MIGHT NEED TO BE ADDRESSED.
BUT WE DO FEEL LIKE WE ARE, UH, MEETING THE NEED.
SECOND QUESTION HAS TO DO WITH BIKING AND, UH, REGRETFULLY, I I HAVE A LOT OF FRIENDS IN THE BIKING.
MOST OF THEM HAVE BEEN, OR A LOT OF THEM HAVE BEEN HURT SIGNIFICANTLY ON BIKES.
AND, AND SO I ALWAYS HAVE CONCERNS ABOUT SURE IN THE ROAD WITH MO WITH MOTORISTS AND INCREASINGLY SO AS ALL OF US DRIVE AROUND WITH CELL PHONES AND TEXTS, ET CETERA, UM, ARE, ARE WE GIVEN MUCH CONSIDERATION TO DEDICATED BIKE OR SEPARATED BIKE LANES FROM TRAFFIC TO TRY TO PROTECT CITIZENS MORE? UM, AND SOME PLACES I SEE THAT REALLY DO THIS REALLY WELL HAVE, HAVE SPENT A LOT OF TIME ON THAT AND IT'S, AND IT'S EFFECTIVE.
AND I GUESS I'M JUST LOOKING FOR A LITTLE BIT MORE INSIGHT INTO THAT.
SO WE DO HAVE A PROJECT, UM, UNDERWAY RIGHT NOW TO IMPLEMENT SOME DEDICATED BIKE LANES ON SHILLER ROAD.
IT'S PART OF THE SHILLER ROAD EXPANSION.
AND SO THERE'LL BE BIKE LANES THAT WILL PICK UP, UM, BETWEEN THE SHILLER ROAD STATION ON SHILOH TO THE TRAIL CONNECTION AT, UH, BOB WOODRUFF SOUTHEAST TO THE CORNER OF PARK AND SHILOH.
AND THEN ON OUR PLAN, WE'VE IDENTIFIED SOME FUTURE BIKEWAY ACCOMMODATIONS STUDY AREAS.
UH, ONE OF THEM IS, UH, ON LOS RIOS AND, UM, I CAN'T QUITE SEE WHERE THE OTHER ONE IS.
SO WE, UM, WE HAVE SOME STUDY AREAS AND ARE TAKING SOME STEPS IN THAT DIRECTION.
I, I WOULD JUST URGE US CONTINUE TO DO THAT.
UM, LET ME ADD MY CONGRATULATIONS TO THAT OF THE OTHER COMMISSIONERS FOR YOUR HARD WORK ON THIS PLAN.
UH, THIS OBVIOUSLY WAS A MAJOR EFFORT BY ALPHA TO WHICH A LOT OF PEOPLE CONTRIBUTED.
UH, AND IT'S A MAJOR AMENITY IN THE CITY TO HAVE ADEQUATE PARK SPACE.
UH, MY QUESTION IS, UM, IS THIS MORE IN THE NATURE OF A CONCEPT PLAN OR IS IT MORE SPECIFIC IN THAT, IS IT
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TIED TO LIKE A TIMELINE FOR IMPLEMENTATION? SO, UM, OUR PARK MASTER PLAN HAS ALWAYS BEEN, UH, A CONCEPT PLAN.UM, IT IS UPDATED WITH OUR PERIODIC UPDATES.
UM, SO THE, THE PLAN CAN CHANGE EVERY FIVE YEARS OR EVEN TWO YEARS.
WE DID AN UPDATE, FOR EXAMPLE, TO THE PLAN IN, UH, 21.
UM, WE DO ACTUALLY HAVE AN IMPLEMENTATION PLAN AS A PART OF OUR MASTER PLAN.
AND, UM, SO AS THE THINGS IN THE MASTER PLAN ARE CHANGING, OUR IMPLEMENTATION PLAN IS CHANGING AND, UM, IT PROVIDES SOME GUIDANCE FOR THE TYPES OF THINGS THAT WE WOULD SEEK OUT IN A BOND PROGRAM.
AND THEN THOSE BOND PROGRAMS ARE SUBJECT TO INPUT FROM ALL VARIOUS BOARDS, UM, AND THE PUBLIC.
AND SO THAT REALLY ULTIMATELY SHAPES WHAT MAKES THE, THE BOND PROGRAM.
AND JUST A VERY SPECIFIC QUESTION, UH, WHEN WE MOVED INTO OUR HOME, UH, ON, UH, UH, WOOD HEIGHTS COURT IN AUGUST OF 2009, AT THE END OF THE, IT'S ON A CUL-DE-SAC AT THE END OF THE CUL-DE-SAC AND ACROSS CLOVER HAVEN DRIVE IS AN OPEN FIELD.
BACK WHEN, WHEN WE MOVED IN, IN 2009, THERE WAS A SIGN THERE THAT SAID, UH, HOME OF PROPOSED LIGHTED ATHLETIC FIELDS.
THERE WAS NOTHING ON THAT FIELD AT THE TIME EXCEPT COWS.
AND WE STILL DON'T HAVE, AND THE SIGN IS STILL UP AND THERE STILL AREN'T ANY, UH, LIGHTED ATHLETIC FIELDS THERE.
I'M WONDERING IF THERE'S ANY MOTION TOWARD BUILDING THOSE, UH, FACILITIES.
UH, SO THAT LAND WAS FIRST ACQUIRED BY THE CITY IN 1985.
SO THIS SIGNS HAVE BEEN THERE SINCE 1985
UM, AND WE WILL, UH, YOU KNOW, IN OUR NEXT BOND PROGRAM, THAT WILL BE AN ITEM, YOU KNOW, THAT WILL BE CONSIDERED ON, ON THE LIST.
UM, UH, AS A MATTER OF FACT, WE JUST STARTED HAVING MEETINGS WITH OUR PARK BOARD TO, UM, TALK ABOUT, UH, BOND ITEMS PER CATEGORY.
SO AT OUR LAST MEETING, WE JUST TALKED ABOUT RECREATIONAL FACILITIES AND WE'LL WORK OUR WAY TOWARDS PARK FACILITIES.
UM, AND SO WE'LL JUST HAVE TO SEE, UM, WHAT MAKES THAT FINAL BOND PROGRAM LIST.
COMMISSIONER LAW, I WAS ALSO CURIOUS ABOUT THE NUMBER NINE PARK, WHICH DOES APPEAR TO BE THE NORTH 40, BUT MY NEW UNDERSTANDING IS THAT IT'S WHERE THE RESIDENTIAL STRUCTURES ARE JUST ALONG THE STREET.
AND I'M JUST CURIOUS, I KNOW THERE WAS A LOT OF COMMUNICATION ABOUT THE OUTREACH THAT WAS DONE WAS THE DOWNTOWN, UM, THE HISTORIC DOWNTOWN PLANO ASSOCIATION PART OF THAT OUTREACH? I BELIEVE WE DID, UH, SEND EMAILS TO THE H D P A CONTACT PERSON, AND THEN IT'S UP TO THAT PERSON TO DISTRIBUTE THOSE EMAILS.
AND THEN I DON'T, I, I GO TO THOSE MEETINGS AND I JUST DIDN'T KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT A FUTURE PART COMING.
SO WE'RE NOT, UH, SPECIFICALLY SAYING THAT THIS IS A FUTURE PARK.
WE'RE SAYING WE'D LIKE TO MAKE AN ACQUISITION HERE, AND SO IF WE ARE UNABLE TO MAKE AN ACQUISITION, WE ARE UNABLE TO HAVE A PARK.
SO, UM, THE NATURE OF THIS PLAN IS CONCEPTUAL, SO THINGS CAN STILL CHANGE.
UM, AS A LITTLE BIT OF A BIOFILM, SEEING OPEN SPACES AND PARKS TICKLES MY, THAT'S MY LOVE LANGUAGE A LITTLE BIT.
UM, I THINK I HAVE THE ANSWER, UM, BASED ON WHAT YOU SAID TO, UH, COMMISSIONER LYLE.
SO THIS IS ALL CONCEPTUAL, UM, NO, PRIOR, IT IS NOT NECESSARILY PRIORITIZED THAT WE ARE MAKING A MOVE TO GO FOR NUMBER ONE OR NUMBER TWO OR NUMBER THREE.
IT'S, AS THE OPPORTUNITY SHOWS UP, WE WOULD, UH, ADDRESS THAT, UM, BOND OFFERINGS.
IS THAT OUR ONLY MEANS OF FUNDING THIS ACQUISITION, OR DO WE HAVE, AND THIS IS PROBABLY A MORE OF A BUDGET QUESTION.
UH, THEY ARE THE LEVERS THAT WE LOOK AT TO PULL, UM, BECAUSE AS I AM A BIOFILM, I'M ALSO A LITTLE BIT ALLERGIC TO BONDS.
UH, WE DO HAVE A PARK FEE PROGRAM.
UM, AND, UM, WHAT THE PARK FEE PROGRAM IS, IS ESTABLISHED IN 1993.
IT IS A FEE THAT, UM, BUILDERS PAY WHEN THEY PULL A PERMIT FOR A SINGLE FAMILY OR MULTI-FAMILY, UH, UNIT.
SO THE FEE IS, UH, WE'LL JUST CALL IT PER DOOR.
UM, AND, UH, WE HAVE A PARK V MAP AND IT IS BY ZONE.
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FUNDS ARE COLLECTED AND RESERVED IN THAT ZONE.AND SO IF THERE IS FUNDING AVAILABLE IN THAT ZONE, IT CAN BE PULLED TO PAY FOR A PROJECT.
SO, UM, IT REALLY WAS IN ITS HEYDAY IN THE NINETIES, UM, AND THE EARLY TWO THOUSANDS.
AND SO I WOULD SAY THAT THAT PARK FEE PROGRAM IS, IS WINDING DOWN BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, IT'S DEVELOPMENT DRIVEN.
UM, BUT I'LL, I'LL GIVE YOU AN EXAMPLE OF HOW IT'S GONNA BE USED IN CURRENT TIMES.
SO WE HAVE A PROJECT THAT HAS JUST BID CALLED JACK CARTER PARK RENOVATION, AND THAT, UH, PARK FEE, UM, ZONE HAS FUNDING AVAILABLE FOR THE LINEAR PARK THERE.
AND SO WE WILL USE THE, UM, THE FUNDS AVAILABLE IN THAT PARK FEE ZONE TO PAY FOR THE TRAILS THAT ARE GOING TO, TO BE A PART OF THAT PROJECT.
AND THEN WE EVEN HAVE ANOTHER PROJECT, UM, UH, THAT'S ANOTHER EXAMPLE.
UM, WE, WE WILL BE EXTENDING CHISHOLM TRAIL FROM 15TH STREET, UH, SOUTH TO THE MALL, COLLIN CREEK RING ROAD.
UM, AND IN THAT PARK FEE ZONE THERE'S FUNDING AVAILABLE.
SO WE'LL BE USING THAT PARK FEES FUNDING THERE TO PAY FOR THAT LINEAR PARK EXTA EXPANSION THERE.
THAT WOULD, IT'S NOT AN AUTOMATIC DEFAULT TO THE BOND.
BACK TO MR. LAW, ONE MORE, ONE MORE QUESTION.
MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT SOMEWHERE IN THE LONG TERM PLAN WAS A BRIDGE FROM DOWNTOWN PLANO ACROSS THE COLLIN CREEK MALL.
IS THAT STILL? IT IS STILL THERE.
AND WHAT WE, UM, HAVE DONE IS MOVED IT INTO THE APPENDIX.
SO WE HAVE KIND OF THESE BIG IDEAS IN THE APPENDIX.
I LIKE BIG IDEAS HERE IN EAST PLANO.
UM, I'LL WRAP US UP WITH JUST, UH, UM, YOU KNOW, IT'S HARD TO BELIEVE, BUT ALMOST 50 YEARS AGO, THE VERY FIRST FACILITY FOR THE PARKS DEPARTMENT WAS A SECOND GYMNASIUM ADDED AT WILLIAMS HIGH SCHOOL.
AND MY DAD BUILT IT AND I, AFTER SCHOOL, RUN OVER AND HELP HIM.
WE'D PUT TOGETHER, TOGETHER THE LOCKERS OR WHATEVER.
AND, UH, MY VERY FIRST TIME SERVING THE CITY ON A COMMISSION WAS THE PARKS BOARD.
AND THE VERY FIRST MEETING WE RETIRED THAT FACILITY AS, SO I JUST THOUGHT, WOW.
UH, SO, UH, I'VE ALWAYS BEEN ENAMORED WITH OUR PARKS SYSTEM.
IT'S ONE OF THE ABSOLUTE BEST IN THE COUNTRY.
I APPRECIATE THE VISION AND, AND FORESIGHT THAT GOES INTO IT.
UH, UNDERSTANDING THIS IS A, A CONCEPTUAL PLAN.
UH, NOTHING IS COMMITTED TO THE PARK ROLES YET.
UM, FOR THOSE THAT DON'T KNOW FROM A BOND PROGRAM STANDPOINT, IF WE ISSUE DEBT AND BUY A PIECE OF PROPERTY, THE ONLY WAY THAT IT CAN EVER BE REMOVED FROM THE PARKS ROLL IS THROUGH A GENERAL ELECTION.
SO COMMITTING LAND TO PARKS WHEN WE DON'T HAVE A LOT LEFT IS A BRAVE MOVE ON OUR PART, BUT ONE I THINK IS WORTHY OF, OF TAKING THAT STEP FORWARD.
SO THANK YOU TO THE PARKS DEPARTMENT FOR YOUR PLAN.
LOOK FORWARD TO OUR PUBLIC HEARING ON JUNE 19TH.
DOES ANYONE ELSE, DO WE HAVE ANYONE THAT WANTS TO SPEAK ON THIS? NO, WE DO NOT.
IF WE HAD 20 PEOPLE THAT WANTED TO, THEY WERE ALL GONE BY NOW.
[7. (SS) Discussion: 2023 Planning Department Annual Report - Receive a presentation on the 2023 City of Plano Planning Department Annual Report. Project #DI2023-010. Applicant: City of Plano]
OKAY.AGENDA ITEM NUMBER SEVEN, DISCUSSION 2023, PLANNING DEPARTMENT ANNUAL REPORT.
RECEIVE A PRESENTATION ON THE 2023 CITY OF PLANO PLANNING DEPARTMENT.
AND THANK YOU ALL FOR BEING HERE AND BEING PATIENT.
MY NAME IS STEVE SIMS, LEAD PLANNER FOR THE CITY OF PLANO.
AND ALONG WITH MY COLLEAGUE NICK COLEMAN, SENIOR PLANNER, WE'RE GOING TO MAKE A, UH, GET THROUGH THIS, THIS, UH, PRESENTATION AS QUICKLY AS WE CAN MAKE IT AS BRIEF AS POSSIBLE.
AND WHAT WE'RE GOING TO DO TONIGHT IS I'M GOING TO SHARE WITH YOU THE DEPARTMENT OVERVIEW AND ZONING AND DEVELOPMENT, AND THEN I'LL HAND IT OVER TO NICK TO DO THE COMP COMPREHENSIVE PLANNING, SCHOOL DEMOGRAPHICS AND HOUSING DATA.
LOOKING AT OUR DEPARTMENT OVERVIEW, UH, THE FIRST THINGS THAT WE ARE KNOWN FOR IS CUSTOMER SERVICE AND PLANNING.
WE'RE HIGHLY ENGAGED WITH THE PUBLIC AND WITH OUR DEVELOPMENT COMMUNITY.
AND OF THE 35, UH, SURVEYS WHICH WE RECEIVE BACK FROM PEOPLE, WE AVERAGE 4.89, UH, 5.00 IN TERMS OF CUSTOMER SERVICE FIGURES.
OUR CUSTOMER SERVICE ALSO EXTENDS OUTSIDE THE DEPARTMENT, AS YOU CAN SEE FROM A COMMUNITY SERVICE PROJECT FOR LOVE WHERE YOU LIVE IN ARMSTRONG PARK.
AND HERE IS, UH, PHOTOGRAPHS OF OUR DEPARTMENT MEMBERS.
WE HAVE FOUR DIFFERENT DIVISIONS WITHIN THE PLANNING DEPARTMENTS, WHICH I WILL GET INTO.
AND AS YOU CONSIDERS A LOT OF NEW FACES HAVE A LOT OF NEW PLANNERS THAT ARE ON STAFF FOR A DEVELOPMENT REVIEW.
THAT'S THE GROUP THAT YOU ARE THE MOST FAMILIAR
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WITH.ERIC KILL IS THE MANAGER FOR THAT.
UH, LEAD PLANNER IS RAHA PILATE, VERY FAMILIAR WITH HER.
AND THEY ASSIST YOU IN WORKING WITH ZONING CASES, SITE PLANS AND PLATS, AS WELL AS LANDSCAPE TREE PLANS, FSAD PLANS, AND THEY ALSO ADMINISTER DEVELOPMENT REVIEW COMMITTEE, WHICH MEETS WITH THE ENGINEERING DEPARTMENT AND BUILDING INSPECTIONS TO GO OVER DEVELOPMENT PLANS FOR THE CITY OF PLAN, MAKING SURE EVERYTHING IS CONSISTENT WITH THE REGULATIONS.
COMPREHENSIVE PLANNING TEAM, THAT'S HEADED BY OUR MANAGER, MIKE BELL, AND WE DIVIDE IT INTO TWO GROUPS.
WHEREAS DEVELOPMENT REVIEWS LOOKS AT WHAT'S HAPPENING CURRENTLY.
UH, WE LOOK AT EITHER THE PAST OR WE LOOK AT THE FUTURE.
AND SOMETIMES YOU LOOK AT TODAY, THEY'LL BE EITHER LOOKING BEHIND OR GEORGE TOMORROW.
AND, UH, I WORK WITH HERITAGE INFORMATION AND WE WORK ON PRESERVING THE CITY'S HERITAGE RESOURCES AND ALSO LOOK AT DEMOGRAPHIC ANALYSIS, BOTH FOR THE CURRENT AND THE FUTURE.
AND WE ALSO LOOK AT WHO LIVES IN PLANO, WHAT THEY WERE LIKE IN THE PAST AND TODAY AND TOMORROW.
AND THEN WE ALSO REPORT ON DEVELOPMENT AND HOUSING DATA.
AND FOR LONG-RANGE PLANNING, THE LEAD PLANNER IS DREW BROWNER.
THEY HELP TO MAINTAIN THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AND LOOK AT SMALL AREA PLANS.
WE'RE LOOKING AT PLANO IN 20 TO 30 YEARS INTO THE FUTURE, AND THEY ALSO HELP US TO GET AROUND THE CITY AND COORDINATING MOBILITY INITIATIVES AND HELP IMPLEMENT THE PLAN THROUGH THE COMMUNITY IMPROVEMENTS PROGRAM REVIEW FOR OUR LAND RECORDS PLANNING, OUR MANAGER IS CHRISTINA SEBASTIAN.
AND FOR LAND RECORDS, THE SUPERVISOR IS MARTIN HOLMES.
AND WHAT'S REALLY IMPORTANT ABOUT THEIR GROUP IS THAT THEY HELP TO MAINTAIN OUR GEOGRAPHIC INFORMATION SYSTEMS, OUR COMPUTER MAPPING FOR OUR CITY, MAKING SURE ALL THE INFORMATION THAT WE HAVE IS ACCURATE AND CURRENT SO WE CAN MAKE GOOD DECISIONS.
UH, DEVELOPMENT SERVICES IS ALSO VERY IMPORTANT TO LEAD PLANNER'S BALLISTIC CLINIC.
AND WHAT SHE DOES IS TAKING, LOOKING AT MAINTAINING OUR ZONING ORDINANCE, MAKE SURE EVERYTHING IS UP TO DATE, AND THE POLICY IS OCCURRING TO ADDRESS ISSUES THAT ARE OUT THERE THAT ARE OCCURRING.
AND THEN WE HAVE OUR BUSINESS SERVICES DIVISION.
OUR SUPERVISOR IS LYNETTE
THEY ARE THE FIRST LINE OF CONTACT WHEN IT COMES TO PEOPLE WHO COME IN TO TALK WITH THE PLANNING AND THE ENGINEERING DEPARTMENT.
THEY SUPPORT OUR BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS, HELP US GET OUR PACKETS OUT AND LOOK OVER OUR BUDGET AND OUR CONTRACTS WITH OUR, OUR CONSULTANTS AND HELP WITH TRAINING.
AND THEY'RE A VERY IMPORTANT GROUP TO KEEP US ALL GOING.
THEN WE HAVE OUR BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS.
OF COURSE, YOU'RE VERY FAMILIAR WITH YOURS AT THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION.
THEY'RE RESPONSIBLE FOR, UH, IMPLEMENTING THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AND ALSO ADMINISTERING ZONING CASES AND PROVIDING, UH, RECOMMENDATIONS REGARDING ZONING CASES AND ZONING PROCEDURES AND, AND SITE PLANS.
AND THE FINAL APPROVAL BODY FOR, FOR SITE PLANS AND PLATS.
WE HAVE THE HERITAGE COMMISSION.
UH, THAT'S, UH, THE GROUP THAT THE HERITAGE INFORMATION REPORTS TO.
UH, THEY'RE RESPONSIBLE FOR MAINTAINING AND, AND ENSURING, UH, PROTECTION OF OUR HERITAGE RESOURCES, MAKING SURE ANY TYPE OF NEW DEVELOPMENT THAT'S PROPOSED FOR THEM IS CONSISTENT AND, AND DOES NOT, UH, DESTROY THE INTEGRITY OF THE HERITAGE SITE.
NEXT IS OUR ZONING AND DEVELOPMENT.
AND A LITTLE BIT TOO FAR THERE.
AND WHEN YOU LOOK AT WHAT WE'VE DONE OVER THE PAST YEARS, WE'VE KIND OF WENT UP AND DOWN.
UH, WE WENT UP SLIGHTLY IN 2022 WITH 728 APPLICATIONS, PRETTY MUCH EVENLY DIVIDED BETWEEN LANDSCAPE PLANS AND PLANTS.
LOOKING AT OUR ZONING PETITIONS, YOU SEE A MAP HERE.
AND THEY HAVE FOUR DIFFERENT COLORS TELLING US ABOUT THE DIFFERENT TYPES OF ZONING CASES, WHETHER THEY'RE RESIDENTIAL, NON-RESIDENTIAL, WHETHER THEY'RE MIXED USE OR WHETHER THEY'RE FOR IN A ZONING AMENDMENT.
AND THE FOUR DIFFERENT CIRCLE COLORS, SCIENCE, WHERE THEY WERE APPROVED, WHETHER THEY WERE DENIED, WITHDRAWN OR PENDING.
AND LOOKING AT OUR ZONING CASES IN, IN TIME OVER THE YEARS, UH, WHAT WE FOUND FOR 2022 IS THAT THINGS MOVED A LITTLE BIT FASTER.
WE HAD 30 ZONING CASES, AND IT TOOK ABOUT AN AVERAGE 104 DAYS.
AND AS ALL OF YOU KNOW, ONE OF THE REASONS IT TAKES LONGER THESE DAYS IS THAT OUR, EVEN THOUGH WE MIGHT HAVE FEWER CASES TO REVIEW, THEY BECOME MORE COMPLEX AND HAVE MORE CHALLENGING DECISIONS.
LOOKING AT OUR MAJOR PROJECTS, WE HAVE THEM SPREAD THROUGHOUT THE CITY, ANYWHERE FROM THE PLANO GATEWAY AND SOUTHEASTERN PLANO ALL THE WAY UP TO LEGACY WEST AND THE GRANITE PARK UP THERE IN THE NORTHWESTERN PART OF THE CITY.
UH, WE HAVE WORK CONTINUING THERE AT HERITAGE CREEKSIDE AND AT COLLIN CREEK WE HAVE A PROJECT THAT FINALLY
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GOT GOING THIS YEAR, BEACON SQUARE, THEY WERE ABLE TO HAVE PERMITS GO FOR, FOR SEVERAL, UH, APARTMENT COMPLEXES.WE ALSO ARE SEEING THE DEVELOPMENTS OF THE HAGGER FARMS AREA WITH THE ALMANAC AND THE OUTLOOK, AND OF OUR NEWEST BUSINESSES COMING IN AND ON OUR COVER PAGE THIS YEAR IS H E B AT THE SOUTHWEST CORNER OF PRESTON AND SPRING CREEK PARKWAY, OUR UNDEVELOPED LAND, THIS IS AS OF THE NEW YEAR, AND WE HAVE ABOUT FOUR AND A HALF PERCENT OF OUR TOTAL LAND AREA OF PLANO IS, IS UNDEVELOPED.
AND OUT OF THAT, LESS THAN 400 ACRES IS ZONED FOR RESIDENTIAL USES.
LOOKING AT OUR ZONING ORDINANCE, WE UPDATES, WE HAD, UH, FOUR DIFFERENT ISSUES THAT WE WERE LOOKING AT.
ONES FOR SPECIAL VEHICLE PARKING, PARTICULARLY RECREATIONAL VEHICLES.
AND, UH, THEN LOOKING AT ARCADE USE FLEXIBILITY, CONSIDERING THIS TO BE AN INDOOR AMUSEMENT AND LOOKING AT ZONING NOTIFICATION PROCEDURES, UH, GETTING THOSE CHANGED UP TO HELP, UH, PEOPLE TO KNOW ABOUT WHAT'S COMING, WHAT'S HAPPENING WITH THEIR PROPERTIES.
AND THEN TATTOOING IN DOWNTOWN PLANO, ALLOWING AT LEAST TWO, UH, BUSINESSES THAT CAN DO TATTOOING BY.
AND IF ANY OTHERS WANT TO BE CONSIDERED, THEY HAVE TO GO BEFORE AND, AND PLANS LINK COMMISSION TO ASK FOR SPECIFIC USE PERMITS.
AND THEN ZONING ALIGNMENT WITH THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
AS YOU KNOW, IN ORDER TO IMPLEMENT A COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, YOU NEED TO HAVE YOUR ZONING ORDINANCE IN PLACE.
AND SO THEY LOOKED AT RETIREMENT, HOUSING AND NON-RESIDENTIAL DISTRICTS, AS WELL AS MULTI-FAMILY AND COMMERCIAL EMPLOYMENT ZONING.
AND THE, THE US 75 QUARTER DEVELOPMENT AND OPEN SPACE STANDARDS, MIXED USE AND TRANS AND, UH, UH, TRANSIT ORIENTED DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS, AND THE RECORDS AND RESEARCH, UH, WITH THE CUSTOMER SERVICE FIGURES THEY HAVE.
UH, ONE THING I THINK IS REALLY AMAZING OVER ALMOST 300,000 GIS MAP UPDATES.
LIKE I SAY, IT'S VERY IMPORTANT TO KEEP THOSE MAPS UP TO DATE SO WE CAN MAKE GOOD DECISIONS.
ALSO, THEY RECEIVED THE GOVERNMENT EXPERIENCE AWARD FOR THEIR NOTIFICATION PROCEDURE THAT CAME UP FOR ZONING CASES AND ZONING ALERTS.
AND SO NOW PEOPLE KNOW WHEN A ZONING CASE IS COMING TO THEM.
AND FOR COMPREHENSIVE PLANNING, I'LL TURN IT OVER TO, UH, GOOD EVENING COMMISSIONERS.
I'M A SENIOR PLANNER WITH THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT.
UM, SO TO START WITH COMPREHENSIVE PLANNING, WE'LL GET RIGHT BACK INTO HERITAGE PRESERVATION.
UM, A COUPLE OF SIGNIFICANT, UH, THINGS THAT HAPPENED IN HERITAGE PRESERVATION LAST YEAR.
IN, UH, NOVEMBER, UH, THE TEXAS CHAPTER OF THE AMERICAN PLANNING ASSOCIATION PRESENTED, UH, THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT WITH A GOLD LEVEL PLANNING ACHIEVEMENT AWARD FOR THE HAGGARD PARK HERITAGE DISTRICT DESIGN STANDARDS.
UM, EARLIER THAT YEAR, UM, PLANNING STAFF WERE ABLE TO ATTEND THE NATIONAL ALLIANCE OF PRESERVATION COMMISSIONS, THE N A P C FORUM CONVENTION IN CINCINNATI.
AND THEY WERE ACCOMPANIED BY TWO MEMBERS OF THE HERITAGE COMMISSION AND, UH, COUNCIL MEMBER MARIA.
TWO, UM, IN MORE ROUTINE DEVELOPMENTS IN HERITAGE PRESERVATION, LOOKING AT CERTIFICATES OF APPROPRIATENESS, WHICH ARE ISSUED FOR MODIFICATIONS OR ADDITIONS TO HISTORIC PROPERTIES.
UH, THERE'S A LOT OF FLUCTUATION YEAR TO YEAR, BUT UH, THE NUMBER OF CAS LAST YEAR WAS DOWN TO 25.
UM, OF THE CERTIFICATES OF APPROPRIATENESS, UM, THAT WERE APPROVED, 70% WERE ABLE TO BE APPROVED AT THE STAFF LEVEL, WHICH IS, UH, NICE FOR APPLICANTS CUZ THEY DON'T HAVE TO WAIT FOR THE NEXT HERITAGE COMMISSION MEETING.
UM, AND OF THE STAFF APPROVED CAS, 94% WERE APPROVED IN A SINGLE DAY.
UM, AS YOU HEARD ABOUT EARLIER, UM, HERITAGE PRESERVATION ALSO INCLUDES HERITAGE PRESERVATION GRANTS AND HERITAGE TAX EXEMPTIONS.
UH, THE THREE ORGANIZATIONS THAT RECEIVED, UH, GRANTS LAST YEAR INCLUDE THE HERITAGE FARMSTEAD MUSEUM, PLANO CONSERVANCY FOR HISTORIC PRESERVATION, AND THE TEXAS POOL FOUNDATION.
AND COMBINED THOSE THREE ORGANIZATIONS HAD 56 THOU, WELL OVER 56,000, UH, SITE VISITORS, HERITAGE TAX EXEMPTIONS, WHICH HELP OFFSET THE MAINTENANCE COST OF OWNING, UH, HISTORIC PROPERTIES, UH, WERE ISSUED FOR 86, UM, HISTORIC PROPERTY OWNERS.
UM, A BIG THING IN COMPREHENSIVE PLANNING LAST YEAR WAS TRACKING THE IMPLEMENTATION OF THE 2021 COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
UM, THE PLAN TOUCHES TOUCHES ON JUST ABOUT EVERY DEPARTMENT IN THE CITY.
SO WE WERE ABLE TO REACH OUT AND COORDINATE WITH THOSE DEPARTMENTS TO SEE HOW THE, UM, POLICY ACTION ITEMS, THEY'RE ABOUT 271 TO SEE HOW THEY'RE PROGRESSING.
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EXAMPLE IS LIBRARY POLICY ACTION NUMBER SIX, UH, WHICH CALLED FOR THE CREATION OF A MARKETING PROGRAM FOR PLANO LIBRARIES.WELL OVER THE COURSE OF 2022, THAT MARKETING PROGRAM WAS IMPLEMENTED.
SO, UH, THE UPDATE FOR THAT ACTION ITEM IS TO ANNUALLY, UM, ANNUALLY EVALUATE THE LIBRARY MARKETING PLAN AND MAKE UPDATES AS NECESSARY.
SO THERE WERE 12 ACTIONS THAT WERE MODIFIED, UM, IN A SIMILAR WAY.
UM, THERE WERE THREE ACTIONS ADDED, UH, TWO THAT WERE REMOVED, OTHER, UH, BECAUSE THEY WERE OBSOLETE WERE COMPLETED.
AND THEN THERE WERE MODIFICATIONS MADE TO THE FUTURE LAND USE MAP AND THE THOROUGHFARE PLAN MAP.
UM, THERE WERE A NUMBER OF SORT OF LARGE PROJECTS THAT KICKED OFF, UM, LAST YEAR.
AND THE FIRST IS THOROUGHFARE STANDARDS UPDATES.
THE S THE THOROUGHFARE PLAN HASN'T BEEN UPDATED, UM, SINCE 2009.
UM, SO IT'S BEING BROUGHT UP TO DATE WITH SORT OF INDUSTRY STANDARDS AND BEST PRACTICES.
THE SILVER LINE STATION AREA PLANS, UH, KICKED OFF LAST YEAR.
AND THERE A LOOK AT DEVELOPMENT OPPORTUNITIES AROUND, UH, 12TH STREET AND SHILOH ROAD STATIONS.
THE COMMUNITY DESIGN PLAN, UH, THAT ALSO KICKED OFF LAST YEAR.
AND WE'LL LOOK AT, UM, YOU KNOW, THE, THE URBAN ENVIRONMENT, URBAN FORM POLICY DOCUMENT REVIEW.
MANY OF YOU WILL REMEMBER, UH, WE LOOKED AT, UH, SORT OF OLDER POLICY DOCUMENTS THAT WERE STILL IN EFFECT AND WERE ABLE TO, UM, ELIMINATE 32 THAT WERE DEEMED OBSOLETE.
AND FINALLY, AN INTERESTING PROJECT THAT KICKOFF LAST YEAR WAS THE ANNUAL MARKET STUDY, WHICH COMES OUT OF THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AND THE CITY PARTNERED WITH AECOM AND THEY'RE GONNA EVALUATE THE HOUSING AND EMPLOYMENT MARKET, UM, OVER TIME AND THEN YEAR TO YEAR, UM, TO SEE HOW THOSE MARKET FLUCTUATIONS WILL HAVE IMPACTS ON, UH, LAND USE POLICY.
SO TURNING FROM DEPARTMENT ACTIVITIES TO, UH, CITYWIDE DATA, LOOK AT DEMOGRAPHICS AND HOUSING.
A BIG THING IN TERMS OF DEMOGRAPHICS THAT WE LOOK AT YEAR TO YEAR IS SCHOOL DISTRICT DATA.
UM, EVERY YEAR WE HAVE AN EDUCATION MEETING WITH THE, WITH REPRESENTATIVES OF THE INDEPENDENT SCHOOL DISTRICTS IN PLANO.
WE LOOK AT, UH, UM, ENROLLMENT TRENDS OVER TIME.
UM, AS YOU CAN SEE ON THE GRAPH ON THE LOWER RIGHT, A BIG TREND THAT WE'RE SEEING IN SCHOOL ENROLL ENROLLMENT IS A LONG TERM AND FAIRLY SIGNIFICANT DECLINE IN THE NUMBER OF, UH, CHILDREN ENTERING KINDERGARTEN, EVEN AS THE NUMBER OF, UH, HIGH SCHOOL SENIORS THAT GRADUATE STAYS RELATIVELY CONSISTENT AND IT POINTS TO A LARGER DECLINE IN THE POPULATION OF THE UNDER 10 AGE COHORT, WHICH IS SEEN ELSEWHERE IN THE NATION AND THE STATE AND COLLIN COUNTY, BUT IS MORE PRONOUNCED WITHIN THE CITY OF PLANO.
UM, ONE THING THAT WE ARE ABLE TO SHARE WITH SCHOOL DISTRICTS AND THEN ANNUAL EDUCATION MEETING IS ABOUT RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT, WHERE IT'S TAKING PLACE, HOW MANY UNITS ARE GOING IN, AND HOW MANY STUDENTS ARE LIKELY TO LIVE IN THOSE RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENTS.
SO LAST YEAR WE HAD 157 SINGLE FAMILY, UM, HOUSES THAT WERE PERMITTED.
WE HAD 2028 MULTI-FAMILY UNITS THAT WERE ISSUED PERMITS, AND WE WERE ABLE TO ESTIMATE THAT, UM, IN THE SINGLE FAMILY HOUSES, UH, THERE COULD BE 44 CHILDREN ENTERING PLANO SCHOOLS AND 262 IN THE MULTI-FAMILY UNITS.
UM, WE ALSO LOOK AT THOSE TING TRENDS OVER TIME AND HOW THEY'RE CHANGING.
UM, UH, SO WE'VE GOT 25 OVER 2,500 THAT WERE ISSUED LAST YEAR.
WE KNOW OF BASED ON APPROVED HOUSING THAT, UH, OH, ABOUT 11,000, UM, ARE PENDING IN THE FUTURE, THE, THE NEAR FUTURE AND SLIGHTLY MORE LONG TERM.
IF YOU LOOK AT TRENDS OVER TIME, YOU CAN SEE, UH, SUSTAINED DECLINE IN THE NUMBER OF SINGLE FAMILY PERMITS, A LOT OF FLUCTUATION IN MULTI-FAMILY.
BUT LAST YEAR THERE WAS A MARKET UPTICK IN MULTI-FAMILY.
AND AS STEVE ALLUDED TO EARLIER, IT WAS DUE TO A LOT OF PROJECTS COMING ONLINE THAT HAVE BEEN IN KIND OF THE PLANNING PHASES FOR SOME TIME.
SO BEACON SQUARE, UH, MORE UNITS GOING IN AT HERITAGE CREEKSIDE, UH, FIRST BAPTIST HERE IN DOWNTOWN, UH, ASSEMBLY PARK CABIN LOFTS.
AND IN THE REPORT AND ON YOUR SCREENS, WE HAVE A MAP THAT SHOWS ALL OF THE ACTIVE RESIDENTIAL PROJECTS WITHIN THE CITY.
UM, IT INCLUDES INFORMATION ABOUT HOW MANY PERMITS THERE ARE OR HOW MANY UNITS THERE ARE TOTAL, HOW MANY HAVE HAD, UH, PERMITS ISSUED FOR THOSE UNITS AND HOW MANY REMAIN.
AND SO TRACKING THE PERMITS OVER TIME AND YEAR TO YEAR, WE'RE ABLE TO HAVE, UH, AN ACCURATE COUNT OF HOW MANY HOUSING UNITS THERE ARE IN THE CITY.
AS OF JANUARY 1ST, THERE WERE 117,654 HOUSING UNITS.
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BALANCE OR COMPOSITION OF THAT WAS ABOUT 63% SINGLE FAMILY AND 37% MULTI-FAMILY OVER THE NEXT 20 YEARS.BY 2043, WE ANTICIPATE THEY'LL ADD ALMOST 30,000 HOUSING UNITS FOR A TOTAL OF 144,400 HOUSING UNITS.
AND WE ANTICIPATE THAT THE BALANCE OF HOUSING WILL BE SLIGHTLY DIFFERENT AT 60% SINGLE FAMILY AND 40% MULTI-FAMILY.
UH, SO THAT CONCLUDES OUR PRESENTATION.
UH, STEVE AND I AVAILABLE FOR ANY QUESTIONS YOU MIGHT HAVE.
THAT WAS, UH, EXCELLENT INFORMATION.
I'M A LITTLE BIT OF A GEEK FOR DATA, SO YOU KNOW, ALL THAT'S, UH, VERY INTERESTING STUFF.
UM, MR. BRUNO, YOU WERE FIRST.
UM, WE ARE FORTUNATE IN THIS CITY TO HAVE AN AWARD-WINNING PLANNING DEPARTMENT.
AND I THINK THIS, UH, REPORT REFLECTS WHY THEY ARE AN AWARD-WINNING PLANNING DEPARTMENT, AND I'M GONNA CONGRATULATE THE DEPARTMENT AND ALL THE PEOPLE IN IT FOR THEIR HARD WORK OVER THE YEARS AND, UH, FOR THIS VERY INFORMATIVE REPORT.
UM, AND, UH, I JUST WANNA ENCOURAGE YOU TO KEEP UP THE GOOD WORK.
THANK YOU MR. BROSKY, THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR YOUR PRESENTATION.
UH, SO I, I WANNA SAY A COUPLE COMMENTS.
UH, IN 2015, WE WERE A CITY DIVIDED IN 2020, A COMMENTARY READ OUT OF THE DALLAS MORNING NEWS.
UH, PLANO DROPS ITS UGLY MASTER PLAN FIGHT, BUT CAN IT HEAL DIVISION DIVISIVE POLITICAL SPLIT? I WANT TO SAY THAT, UH, MS. DAY, ALONG WITH, UH, YOUR ENTIRE TEAM, THE CONFIDENCE THAT ALL OF THE CITIZENS OF PLANO, I BELIEVE WATCHED DURING THE 18 MONTHS OF THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN COMMITTEE, UH, AS WELL AS HOW THEY HAVE, HOW YOU HAVE PROFESSIONALLY HANDLED, UM, BEING VERY TRANSPARENT, BEING VERY PATIENT WITH, UH, PEOPLE, HAVING QUESTIONS.
UH, I THINK, UH, THE DALLAS MORNING NEWS ANSWER WE CAN SEE TODAY IN PLANO, AS I HEAR FROM MEMBERS OF THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN COMMITTEE, AS WELL AS PEOPLE IN OUR COMMUNITY, UH, PLANO IS A HEALING CITY AND A GREAT DEAL OF IT COMES DOWN TO THE CONFIDENCE THAT THEY SEE IN EACH OF YOU CARRYING OUT YOUR TASK EVERY DAY, MAKING PLANO THE CITY OF EXCELLENCE, ALLOWING ALL OF ITS CITIZENS TO BE ABLE TO CONFIDENTLY, UH, FEEL THAT EVERYTHING THAT THEY ARE THINKING AND FEELING IS HEARD AND IS PROCESSED AND UNDERSTOOD.
SO, UM, FOR THE ENTIRE TIME WE'VE BEEN DEALING WITH THE DIFFICULTY IN THE CITY, I WANT TO SAY THANK YOU FOR YOUR PATIENCE AND KINDNESS IN DOING ALL OF THAT.
UH, AND ALSO THANK YOU FOR BEING STEWARDS OF YOUR WORD AND STICKING TO, UH, FOLLOWING THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AS, UH, EACH OF YOU HAD LAID OUT FOR IT TO PLAY OUT.
AND SO I THINK, UM, AS WE REFLECT BACK ON THOSE YEARS, I THINK LOOKING FORWARD, UH, PLANO IS A BETTER CITY BECAUSE EACH OF YOU EVERY DAY SHOW UP TO WORK AND TAKE OUR CONCERNS AS CITIZENS TO HEART.
UH, ECHO EVERYTHING EVERYONE SAID.
UM, I SELL THE 3% INCREASE OVER THE PREVIOUS FISCAL YEAR AND IT ALMOST FEELS LIKE WE COULD BARELY NOTICE IT BECAUSE YOU GUYS DO A GOOD JOB OF TAKING THE, THE WORK ALMOST 95% THERE AND MAKING IT EASIER FOR US TO ACTUALLY DO OR PRETEND LIKE WE KNOW WHAT WE ARE DOING OVER HERE.
UM, ALSO I WAS JUST, UH, STRUCK BY, I'M IN FINANCE, SO I'M ALL ABOUT STABILITY OF TREND AND TRENDS AND THE VOLATILITY IN OUR NEIGHBORING CITIES OF FRISCO WHERE IT'S LIKE 288 BUILDING PERMITS, THEN ZERO, THEN TWO, 12, THEN ZERO.
IF I WERE IN THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT, I'LL FRUSTRATE THE HECK OUT OF ME NOT BEING ABLE TO PREDICT.
AND IT SEEMS THAT I ATTRIBUTE THE STEADINESS OF, OF THAT FLOW, UM, BASICALLY TO YOU GUYS'.
I'M JUST TRYING TO WRAP MY HAND AROUND THE TRADITIONAL SINGLE FAMILY DETER, DETACHED 272 PENDING UNITS.
I'M QUITE FRANKLY, IF WE WERE TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHERE THOSE BEEN BUILT, YOU KNOW, WITHIN PLANO,
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WHERE, HOW DO WE GET THE NUMBER FOR THE TRADITIONAL SINGLE FAMILY DETACHED AND THE SINGLE FAMILY ATTACHED? THAT'S ABOUT 500 PENDING UNITS.OH, WHEN SHOWN IN THE REPORT? OH, LIKE THE LOCATION OF THE PENDING UNITS? YEAH.
LOOK, WHERE, HOW DO WE DERIVE THAT NUMBER NOW? WE DO AT OUR LOCATION OF THE PENDING UNITS AS WE TAKE, AND WE TRACK ALL OF THE COMMUNITIES THAT ARE UNDER CONSTRUCTION RIGHT NOW, UH, THROUGHOUT THE CITY OF PLAINO.
AND WE TAKE AND WE BREAK THEM UP INTO THE DIFFERENT LOCATIONS.
AND WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE REPORT, IT'S MISSING ON PAGE 32 AND YOU SEE NUMBERS ONE THROUGH EIGHT AND THAT TELLS YOU ABOUT, UH, WHERE THEY'RE LOCATED AND HOW MANY ARE THERE.
AND WE TAKE AND DIVIDE THEM UP INTO SINGLE FAMILY, DETACHED, SINGLE FAMILY ATTACHED.
AND THEN WE GET INTO AREAS WHERE THEY HAVE THE PIX JUICE SINGLE FAMILY ATTACHED AND DETACHED.
SORRY, I TOTALLY MISSED PAGE 32.
UM, THE TREND FROM, UH, UNDER 18 UNDER 10, UH, LIKE YOU NOTED IS CONCERNING AS A NATION OVERALL.
UM, I, I THINK OUR MIX OF MULTI-FAMILY WITH SINGLE FAMILY MIGHT HELP US MITIGATE THAT IN TERMS OF, UM, ENROLLMENT, UH, WITHIN P I S D.
BUT OVERALL, REPEAT EVERYTHING THAT EVERYONE SAID, UH, YOU GUYS MAKE IT EASY TO CALL PLANO HOME, SO THANK YOU.
I, I ACTUALLY PASSED A LITTLE NOTE, UH, TO THIS DAY EARLIER ABOUT THAT DECLINING ENROLLMENT IN KINDERGARTEN, RIGHT? PRIMARY SCHOOL BASICALLY.
ONE IS IT'S VERY DIFFICULT FOR A YOUNG FAMILY TO AFFORD HOUSING IN PLANO.
AND, AND TWO, THERE'S JUST FEWER CHILDREN.
MORE AND MORE PEOPLE ARE NOT HAVING KIDS OR THEY'RE HAVING ONE.
SO I THINK THAT DECLINING AND FOR THOSE THAT ARE CONNECTED OR FOLLOW P I S D MUCH AND SOME OF THEIR DEMOGRAPHICS, I PREDICT IN THE NEXT 10 TO 15 YEARS YOU'RE GONNA SEE THEM START TO CLOSE SOME OF THE ELEMENTARY SCHOOLS.
UH, WE'RE ALL CONCERNED ABOUT OVERLOADING OUR SCHOOLS, BUT IT'S NOT HAPPENING.
THE, THE POPULATION OF STUDENTS IS DROPPING.
UH, COMMISSIONER KERRY, YOU'RE NEXT.
SO, UM, ANYWAY, UM, FIRST OF ALL, HAVE TO AGREE WITH THE COMMENTS MADE HERE AND I THINK THIS IS A FANTASTIC REPORT AND, UM, I LOOK FORWARD TO SPENDING MORE TIME DIGESTING IT.
UM, AND YOU KNOW, I, I THINK ONE OF THE THINGS IT DOES, ESPECIALLY OVER THE LAST YEAR IS HIGHLIGHT SOME OF THE CONTINUOUS IMPROVEMENT THAT I THINK WE'RE DOING.
AND WE'VE ATTACKED A LOT OF THINGS AND LOOKED AT HOW DO WE MAKE THINGS BETTER THROUGHOUT PLANO.
AND, AND THERE'S GOOD EXAMPLES OF IT WITH SO MANY THINGS HERE.
AND SO, UH, YOU KNOW, I I APPLIED THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT FOR IDENTIFYING THINGS TO CONTINUE TO PROVE, IMPROVE IN PLANO, NOT REST ON OUR LAURELS.
NOT KEEP JUST SAYING, HEY, WE'RE THE CITY OF EXCELLENCE, BUT WE'RE GONNA WORK HARD TO CONTINUE TO BE THE CITY OF ELCON.
AND YOU KNOW, A SAYING I LIKE IS EVOLUTION ISN'T MANDATORY, BUT SURVIVAL CERTAINLY ISN'T GUARANTEED.
AND SO WE LOOK AT GREAT CITIES AROUND THE COUNTRY THAT ARE FALLING APART TODAY BECAUSE THEY DON'T EVOLVE.
AND SO, AND I THINK EVOLUTION'S IMPORTANT AND I THINK WE'RE DOING IT.
I THINK I JUST, UH, YOU SAID WE HAVE 30,000 MORE HOUSING UNITS IN THE NEXT PERIOD OF TIME, OR DID I MIS HERE THAT, UH, YES SIR.
UM, AND IT'S NOT QUITE 30,000, IT'S UH, A LITTLE BIT UNDER HOW MANY, HOW MANY UH, PEOPLE DO WE ANTICIPATE? IT'S ABOUT TWO AND A HALF, UM, PEOPLE PER UNIT IS, UH, BASED ON THE INFORMATION I SAW.
YEAH, THAT WOULD BE APPROXIMATELY CORRECT, AROUND TWO AND A HALF.
A LOT OF IT HAS TO DEPEND UPON WHAT TYPE OF HOUSING UNIT ARE LOOKING AT, OF COURSE IT HAS A LOT TO DO WITH IT.
AND WE'RE LOOKING AT THESE UNITS FOR THE FUTURE.
PRIMARILY WHAT WE'RE WE'RE SEEING IS WE'RE LOOKING AT, UH, ANOTHER 11,100 SINGLE FAMILY UNITS AND ALSO ANOTHER 4,700, UH, MULTI-FAMILY UNITS.
AND SO THE LEFT, THE SINGLE FAMILY IS GOING TO HAVE MORE PEOPLE THAN WHAT WE WILL HAVE WITH THE, WITH THE MULTI-FAMILY.
AND THEN WHEN YOU TAKE 'EM, YOU ADD THEM TOGETHER, THE TWO NUMBERS TOGETHER, GETTING CLOSELY TO AROUND THAT 30,000 YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT IS YOU AROUND, OH, LET'S SAY AROUND 14,000 MULTI-FAMILY AND PROBABLY ABOUT ANOTHER 13,000 OR SO SINGLE FAMILY.
AND WITH A SINGLE FAMILY, YOU CAN PROBABLY SAY AROUND TWO AND A HALF.
CUZ WE HAVE THOSE THAT ARE, THEY'RE TRADITIONAL.
WE DON'T HAVE MANY OF THOSE LEFT.
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A LOT OF LAND FOR THAT.A LOT OF IT IS THE HOUSING THAT'S GONNA BE FOUND IN THE MIXED JUICE ENVIRONMENT.
THAT'S WHERE THE OPPORTUNITY IS AND RIGHT NOW.
AND THEN WHEN IT COMES TO THE MULTI-FAMILY ALLOW THAT TOO IS IN A MIXED USE ENVIRONMENT AND WE'VE BEEN ABLE TO FIND OUT HOW MANY PEOPLE ARE COMING FROM THESE DIFFERENT UNITS BY TAKING AND LOOKING AT CENSUS DATA AND ZEROING IN ON WHERE THESE NEIGHBORHOODS ARE LOCATED AND HOW MANY PEOPLE ARE LIVING THERE.
AND THAT REALLY TELLS US A STORY.
SO AS I LOOKED AT THAT, IT WAS VERY HELPFUL AND, AND YOU KNOW, YES.
UM, DIRECTIONALLY SO, YOU KNOW, AS WE LOOK AT IT, I MEAN WE'RE PROBABLY TALKING SOMEWHERE 60 TO 70,000 MORE RESIDENTS IN PLANO, UM, OVER THAT PERIOD OF TIME.
SO MAYBE THAT SOMEWHAT, UM, SOLVES A LITTLE BIT OF OUR, OUR SCHOOL DECLINE.
WHO KNOWS? THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
I, I THINK YOU BRING A, A GOOD POINT TOO, THOUGH.
IF YOU THINK ABOUT TODAY'S POPULATION AND GO, WOW, WE'RE GONNA ADD 60 OR 70,000 MORE PEOPLE, BUT THE EXISTING HOUSING STOCK LIKELY WILL EXPERIENCE A DECLINE IN THE NUMBER OF PEOPLE PER UNIT POTENTIALLY.
SO I, I DON'T KNOW THAT WE'RE GONNA ADD 60 OR SEVEN TO THE TOTAL POPULATION COUNT.
I I THINK WE'LL WIND UP SOMEWHERE BELOW 370,000 PEOPLE, BUT WHO KNOWS? BUT IT'S AN INTERESTING FORECAST.
UM, JUST KUDOS WHAT EVERYBODY SAID.
AND SO JUST A COUPLE OF THINGS KIND OF JUMPED OUT AT ME IN THIS REPORT ABOUT JUST THE VOLUME OF THINGS THAT Y'ALL HANDLE.
IT'S, IT, IT OVERWHELMS ME A LITTLE BIT THAT YOU, YOU HAVE THREE NEW CASES A WEEK OF SOMEBODY SUBMITTALS AND, AND I KNOW WE DON'T SEE ANYWHERE NEAR ALL THOSE.
SO, AND, AND THE ONE THAT REALLY JUMPED OUT TO ME, AND I, I DON'T KNOW WHO'S IN CHARGE OF THIS, BUT YOU'RE DOING A THOUSAND GIS UPDATES A DAY, 300,000 A YEAR.
I MEAN, THAT'S A STAGGERING NUMBER TO ME.
SO WHOEVER'S IN CHARGE OF THAT, THAT'S A LOT OF WORK AND IT'S VERY IMPRESSIVE.
SO, UM, I JUST HAD TO POINT THAT SOME OF THOSE NUMBERS, THAT'S A STAGGERING AMOUNT OF WORK THAT I THINK WE, WE SEE THE, WE SEE THE DUCKS PEDALLING ALSO QUIETLY ON THE WATER AND DON'T REALIZE HOW HARD THEY'RE PADDLING UNDERNEATH
COMMISSIONER BROSKY, I SAW YOU GET ALL EXCITED WHEN I WAS TALKING POPULATION NUMBERS AND YOU DUG INTO THE REPORT.
SO I WAS, UH, AND YOU KNOW, WE'D HAD THE DISCUSSION WITH, UH, MR. BELL AND HIS TEAM FOR QUITE A WHILE AND YEAH, ON PAGE 30 OF THE REPORT, THEY ACTUALLY, UH, PROVIDE A POPULATION ESTIMATION OF 331,000, WHICH SIGNIFICANTLY LOWER THAN THE 370.
UM, AND, UH, GIVES US SOME ROOM TO, TO GROW.
SO JUST WANTED TO POINT THAT OUT.
YES, YOU ARE STAYING CONSISTENT WITH THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
AND COMPREHENSIVE PLAN SAYS HUNDRED AND 44,400 HOUSING UNITS.
IT ALSO SAYS A POPULATION OF 331,000 AND THAT'S WHERE WE ARE.
I DON'T KNOW IF YOU WERE APPLAUDING PRIVATELY.
IT'S JUST LIKE, IT, IT WOULDN'T SAY STAY ON.
SO I HAVE TO TRY LIKE A, A DOZEN TIMES.
I JUST WANNA ADD IT TO EVERYONE SINCE EVERYBODY WHAT? EVERYBODY SAYS SOMETHING, I JUST WANNA ADD IT TO IT.
UH, GREAT WORK, GREAT PRESENTATION, GREAT REPORT.
I'M LIKE COMMISSIONER RELATIVE.
I JUST LOVE TO READ THE NUMBERS, THE PERCENTAGES AND PLUS ALL THE STATISTICS.
UM, I DON'T, DID WE DO, I KNOW THIS SAYS ANNUAL REPORT.
I HAVE NO RECOLLECTION WHETHER WE HAD THIS OR NOT LAST YEAR.
I, AND I ALSO LOVE THE FORMAT OF IT, SO I JUST WANNA THANK YOU.
I, I LOVE TO HOLDING A BOOK AND READING
OKAY, WE'RE GONNA LET YOU GO HOME NOW CUZ I THINK THAT WAS, THERE'S ONLY ONE ITEM LEFT ON THE AGENDA.
[8. (CD) Discussion and Action: Call for Public Hearing - Request to call a public hearing regarding adopting a broadly applicable process for making determinations of status as a nonconforming use or structure and for appealing those determinations. Project #CPH2023-005. Applicant: City of Plano (Administrative Consideration)]
AGENDA ITEM NUMBER EIGHT, DISCUSSION IN ACTION.REQUEST TO CALL A PUBLIC HEARING REGARDING ADOPTING A BROADLY ACT
EASY FOR YOU TO SAY PROCESS EASY FOR YOU TO SAY PROCESS FOR MAKING DETERMINATIONS OF STATUS AS A NON-CONFORMING USE OR STRUCTURE.
AND FOR APPEALING THOSE DETERMINATIONS.
THIS IS FOR ADMINISTRATIVE CONSIDERATION.
UM, THIS WILL BE A VERY QUICK REPORT.
UH, LAST WEEK YOU ALL HEARD QUITE A BIT ABOUT, UH, SENATE BILL 9 29.
AND SO WE'RE JUST COMING BACK TO YOU BECAUSE IN ANTICIPATION OF THAT, AS WELL AS SOME OTHER, UH, CHANGES TO THE ORDINANCE, WE'VE RECOGNIZED
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THAT WE NEED A CLEAR PROCESS IN THE ORDINANCE FOR DETERMINING NON-CONFORMING USES AND THEN AN APPEALS PROCESS FOR THAT.SO WE WANTED TO GO AHEAD AND ASK YOU TO, UH, CALL A PUBLIC HEARING FOR THAT PROCESS.
SO THAT'S THE PURPOSE OF THIS ITEM.
UM, WE KNOW WE NEED TO MAKE AN UPDATE TO THE ORDINANCE JUST TO CLARIFY THIS ISSUE.
SO I'D BE GLAD TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU MIGHT HAVE REGARDING THIS.
DO YOU HAVE A SPECIFIC DATE? NO.
UM, WE DO HAVE SOME ORDINANCE LANGUAGE DRAFTED, SO I THINK WE'D ANTICIPATE NOT NOTICING THAT AND BRINGING IT BACK TO YOU FAIRLY QUICKLY.
DO YOU WANT US TO GIVE YOU SOME TIME THOUGH AND SIMPLY JUST CALL THE PUBLIC HEARING AND LET IT BE SAID AT A LATER DATE? RIGHT.
YOU KNOW, WE CAN'T, THE ORDINANCE STATES WE HAVE TO WAIT AT LEAST 36 DAYS AFTER THE PUBLIC HEARING'S CALLED.
SO IT'LL BE AT LEAST 36 DAYS FROM NOW THAT YOU HEAR BACK FROM US.
BUT IT'LL BE A, I THINK A FAIRLY SHORT AMENDMENT PROCESS.
SO REALLY ALL WE'RE BEING ASKED TO DO IS CALL A PUBLIC HEARING, NOT REALLY DISCUSS THE ORDINANCE OR ANYTHING ELSE ABOUT IT.
SO I SEE ALL KINDS OF LIGHTS LIT UP.
SO IF YOU HAVE, UH, SOMETHING THAT'S RELATED TO HOW WE CALL THE PUBLIC HEARING, WHEN WE CALL THE PUBLIC HEARING OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT, FIRE AWAY.
OTHERWISE, REALLY ALL WE'RE BEING ASKED TO DO IS JUST CALL A PUBLIC HEARING SO THE STAFF CAN GET PREPARED.
MR. BRONS, I MOVE, WE CALL A PUBLIC HEARING.
DO WE HAVE A SECOND? SECOND, MR. OLEY.
SO WE HAVE A MOTION BY COMMISSIONER BROUN BY COMMISSIONER BROSKY TO CALL A PUBLIC HEARING FOR STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION ON ITEM EIGHT WITH A SECOND BY COMMISSIONER ALI, PLEASE VOTE.
YOU GOT DEMOTED
[9. (EH) Items for Future Agendas.]
BE ITEMS FOR FUTURE AGENDAS.WITH REGARD TO THE PARTS MI MASTER PLAN, I UNDERSTAND IT'S COMING BACK TO US ON, OOPS, ON JUNE 19TH, IS THAT RIGHT? THAT'LL BE OUR PUBLIC HEARING ON THE PARK.
SO THERE'S NO NEED FOR US TO TAKE ANY SORT OF VOTE ON THAT TONIGHT.
CAUSE THE, THE AGENDA SAID DISCUSSION AND ACTION.
I WAS WONDERING WHAT ACTION WE WERE SUPPOSED TO TAKE.
I DON'T BELIEVE THERE WAS ANY ACTION ON THE PARTS.
NO, I DIDN'T THINK SO, BUT I WANNA MAKE SURE.
THANK YOU FOR, FOR CATCHING THAT.
UM, OKAY WITH THAT WE ARE ADJOURNED AT NINE 15.