May 15, 2023 Planning and Zoning

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THANK YOU ALL FOR BEING HERE TONIGHT.

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WE'RE JUST A COUPLE OF MINUTES, UH, LATE.

WE WERE RUNNING A LITTLE LONG IN OUR PRELIMINARY OPEN MEETING.

INTERESTING DISCUSSIONS THERE.

UM, WE WILL, IF YOU WILL, PLEASE JOIN ME IN THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE.

I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS, ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE, WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL COMMENTS OF PUBLIC INTEREST.

THIS PORTION OF THE MEETING IS TO ALLOW UP TO THREE MINUTES PER SPEAKER WITH 30 TOTAL MINUTES ON ITEMS OF INTEREST OR CONCERN AND NOT ON ITEMS THAT ARE ON THE CURRENT AGENDA.

THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION MAY NOT DISCUSS THESE ITEMS, BUT MAY RESPOND WITH FACTUAL OR POLICY INFORMATION.

THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION MAY CHOOSE TO PLACE THE ITEM ON A FUTURE AGENDA.

THE PRESIDING OFFICER MAY MODIFY THESE TIMES AS DEEMED NECESSARY.

THANK YOU.

DO WE HAVE ANY SPEAKERS ON THIS ITEM? NO, WE DO NOT.

THANK YOU.

LET'S MOVE ON TO CONSENT.

CONSENT AGENDA.

THE CONSENT

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ITEMS MAY BE BE REMOVED FROM THIS AGENDA FOR INDIVIDUAL CONSIDERATION BY COMMISSIONERS OR STAFF.

WE DO HAVE, UH, ONE APPLICANT THAT IS AVAILABLE TO ANSWER QUESTIONS ON.

UH, CONSENT ITEM G.

THANK YOU.

DOES ANYONE FROM COMMISSIONS OR STAFF WANNA REMOVE AN ITEM FROM CONSENT? I MOVE.

WE APPROVE THE CONSENT AGENDA AS SUBMITTED.

SECOND.

THANK YOU.

I HAVE A MOTION BY COMMISSIONER BROSKY WITH A SECOND BY COMMISSIONER ALI.

TO APPROVE THE CONSENT AGENDA, PLEASE VOTE THAT ITEM CARRIES EIGHT TO ZERO ITEMS

[1. (PM) Public Hearing: Zoning Case 2022-020 - Request to designate an individual Heritage Landmark on 0.5 acre located on the west side of Springbrook Drive, 960 feet south of Janwood Drive. Zoned Single-Family Residence-7. Project #ZC2022-020. Petitioner: Texas Pool Foundation (Legislative consideration)]

PUBLIC HEARING ITEMS, UNLESS INSTRUCTED OTHERWISE BY THE CHAIR, SPEAKERS WILL BE CALLED UPON IN THE ORDER REGISTRATIONS ARE RECEIVED.

APPLICANTS ARE LIMITED TO A TOTAL OF 15 MINUTES OF PRESENTATION TIME WITH A FIVE MINUTE REBUTTAL IF NEEDED.

REMAINING SPEAKERS ARE LIMITED TO 30 TOTAL MINUTES OF TESTIMONY TIME WITH THREE MINUTES ASSIGNED PER SPEAKER.

THE PRESIDING OFFICER MAY MODIFY THESE TIMES IS DEEMED NECESSARY.

ADMINISTRATIVE CONSIDERATION ITEMS MUST BE APPROVED IF THEY MEET CITY DEVELOPMENT REGULATIONS.

LEGISLATIVE CONSIDERATION ITEMS ARE MORE DISCRETIONARY EXCEPT AS CONSTRAINED BY LEGAL CONSIDERATIONS.

AGENDA ITEM NUMBER ONE, PUBLIC HEARING ZONING CASE.

20 22 0 20.

REQUEST TO DESIGNATE AN INDIVIDUAL HERITAGE LANDMARK ON FIVE ACRE LOCATED ON THE WEST SIDE OF SPRINGBROOK DRIVE.

960 FEET SOUTH OF JAN WOOD DRIVE, ZONED SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENCE.

SEVEN.

PETITIONER IS TEXAS POOL FOUNDATION.

THIS IS FOR LEGISLATIVE CONSIDERATION.

GOOD EVENING COMMISSIONERS PARK MCDOWELL PLANNER WITH THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT.

THIS REQUEST IS FOR AN INDIVIDUAL HERITAGE LANDMARK FOR TEXAS POOL.

THE PROPERTY IS CURRENTLY ZONED SINGLE FAMILY SEVEN.

ON THE SCREEN, YOU CAN SEE THE AERIAL OF THE, UM, PROJECT HIGHLIGHTED IN YELLOW AS WELL AS A CLOSEUP OF THE ACTUAL POOL ITSELF.

AND NOW I'LL TURN IT OVER TO STEVE SIMS TO GO OVER THE HISTORY OF THE TEXAS POOL, AS WELL AS SOME GENERAL BACKGROUND INFORMATION ON HISTORIC DESIGNATIONS OR LANDMARK DESTINATIONS.

GOOD EVENING COMMISSION.

MY NAME IS STEVE SIMS, LEAD PLANNER WITH THE CITY OF PLANO FOR HERITAGE AND INFORMATION.

WHAT I'M GOING TO DO IS KEEP MY PRESENTATION RATHER BRIEF FOR YOU TONIGHT, AND WE'RE GOING TO FOCUS ON WHAT IS A HERITAGE LANDMARK DESIGNATION, WHY IS THAT IMPORTANT? AND TALK ABOUT THE DESIGNATION FACTORS THAT WERE UNDER CONSIDERATION, THE CRITERIA, UH, FOR CONSIDERING THIS REQUEST.

FIRST OF ALL, WHAT IS A A HERITAGE RESOURCE DESIGNATION? WELL, THIS DESIGNATION IS BASICALLY A ZONING ACTION.

IT STAYS WITH THE PROPERTY NO MATTER WHO OWNS IT OR WHAT ITS USE IS OVER THE YEARS.

IT CAN BE REPEALED LIKE A ZONING DISTRICT, AND IT HAS A BASE DONING, WHICH IS WHAT HELPS TO DECIDE WHAT OTHER USES ARE APPROPRIATE THERE.

SOMETIMES THEY'LL HAVE SOMETHING ADDITIONAL TO IT SAYING THAT YOU COULD MAYBE USE IT FOR A BED AND BREAKFAST OR FOR, UH, UH, EVENTS, VENUE OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.

UH, THEY CAN COME WITH INDIVIDUAL PROPERTIES.

SOME GREAT EXAMPLES WILL BE THE AMY WILSON HOUSE, THE HERITAGE FARMSTEAD MUSEUM, OR THE CARPENTER HOUSE, WHICH MOST

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IT CAN ALSO BE A DISTRICT.

WE HAVE TWO OF THOSE IN OUR CITY.

WE HAVE THE HACKER PARK HERITAGE DISTRICT, AND ALSO THE DOWNTOWN HERITAGE DISTRICT.

AND WHAT IS REALLY IMPORTANT IS TO HELP BRING ATTENTION TO THESE HERITAGE RESOURCES, WHY THEY'RE IMPORTANT, AND THEY ALSO HELP US TO PROTECT THEM BECAUSE ONE OF THE BIG ISSUES WITH THIS IS THAT, UH, AS THEY GET OLDER, THEY NEED TO HAVE CARE AND, AND HAVING THIS DESIGNATION AND HELP FOR SOME PROPERTIES, IT COULD BE EQUIVALENT TO BEING A HERITAGE TAX EXEMPTION.

THEY COULD SEEK THAT AS WELL, WHICH WOULD GIVE THEM, IF THEY'RE USED FOR RESIDENCE, UP TO 100%, UH, EXEMPTION ON THE IMPROVEMENT OF THE PROPERTY.

OUR APPLICANT TONIGHT IS NOT A, UH, A PRIVATE PROPERTY OWNER.

THEY ARE A 5 0 1 , UH, ENTITY.

AND ALSO THIS ALSO HELPS TOO WITH KEEPING PROTECTING IT FROM INAPPROPRIATE CHANGES.

UH, FOR INSTANCE, ANYTHING THAT THEY WANT TO DO, ANYTHING WITH THE PROPERTY WILL REQUIRE A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS, WHETHER IT COULD BE APPROVED BY A HERITAGE PRESERVATION OFFICER OR WITH THE HERITAGE COMMISSION.

AND IT ALSO HELPS PROTECT THE, THE RESOURCE FROM DEMOLITION.

AND THERE ARE TWO, UH, IMPORTANT CRITERIA.

WE HAVE A LIST OF EIGHT IN OUR HERITAGE PRESERVATION ORDINANCE, AND YOU HAVE TO MEET AT LEAST TWO OF THOSE, AND IT HAS TO BE AT LEAST 50 YEARS OLD.

IT'S BEEN A WHILE SINCE WE'VE DONE THIS.

IT'S BEEN FIVE YEARS.

UH, THAT WAS THE CYCLING HOUSE BACK IN 2018 OVER IN HAGGARD PARK.

GOOD.

JUST GIVE YOU SOME BACKGROUND.

THE TEXAS POOL, UH, DEFINITELY MEETS THE 50 YEAR CRITERIA.

IT'S GOING ON 62ND BIRTHDAY.

IT'S BUILT IN 1961, AND IT'S AN AMENITY FOR THE DALLAS NORTH OF STATES.

IT'S REALLY HIGHLY UNUSUAL TO HAVE SOMETHING LIKE THAT FOR A, A SUBURBAN OR SUBDIVISION DEVELOPMENT.

IT WAS LIST ON THE NATIONAL REGISTER OF HISTORIC PLACES IN 2019.

AND, AND AT FIRST IT WAS BY THE, THE PROPERTY OWNER, I'M SURE BY THE, THE HOMEOWNER ASSOCIATION AT THAT TIME.

AND NOW IT'S, UH, TAKEN CARE OF BY THE TEXAS POOL FOUNDATION.

THIS IS A GROUP OF VOLUNTEERS WHO ARE MADE UP FROM THE COM COMMUNITY TO HELP, UH, PROTECT FOR AND TAKE CARE OF THIS.

AND, UH, THEY'VE BEEN INTERESTED IN THE LANDMARK DESIGNATION PROCESS FOR A WHILE.

WE'VE DISCUSSED IT WITH THEM AND THEY'VE BEEN ACTIVELY INVOLVED WITH THE PAST FIVE YEARS WITH THE HERITAGE PRESERVATION GRANT PROGRAM.

AND THEY HAVE RECEIVED UP OVER $228,000 DURING THAT TIME PERIOD THAT'S BEEN USED TO HELP FOR PLUMBING UPGRADES AND THE POOL RESTORATION, THE PATIO DECKING.

AND THEY HAVE GOT THE POOL BASICALLY BACK TO WHERE IT WAS BACK IN 1961 AND FOR THIS PARTICULAR YEAR, FOR FISCAL YEAR 20, 22, 23.

NOW, WHAT THEY'RE LOOKING FOR IS TO GET SOME SEATING TO HELP IMPROVE THE AMENITY, TO MAKE IT MORE COMFORTABLE INVITING FOR THOSE WHO ARE COMING TO VISIT IT, BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT YOU GOT TO USE THESE FUNDS FOR, IS TO HELP ENCOURAGE PEOPLE TO COME TO THE SITE, TO VISIT IT, TO TAKE CARE OF IT, TO GET THEM TO SPEND TIME IN PLAINO, HOPEFULLY STAY ON A HOTEL IN PLAINO, UH, TO EAT, SPEND MONEY.

AND SO WHAT THEY'RE LOOKING TO DO IS TRY TO GET SOME SEATING, UH, TO IMPROVEMENTS AROUND THE POOL, MAKE IT MORE COMFORTABLE FOR A VISIT.

HOWEVER, ONE OF THE STIPULATIONS FOR THEIR GRANT THIS YEAR WAS THAT IN ORDER TO RECEIVE THIS WOULD REALLY HELP US IN IF THEY WERE CONSIDERED TO BE A HERITAGE LANDMARK DESIGNATION.

AS I'VE SAID, WE'VE SPOKEN ABOUT THIS SEVERAL TIMES.

UH, NOW THEY'RE READY TO MOVE FORWARD WITH IT.

THEY SUBMIT THEIR APPLICATION BACK IN THE FALL OF 2022.

THERE'S BEEN SOME CHALLENGES WITH THAT OVER THE, OVER THE PAST YEAR OR SO OF THE SURVEY ISSUES.

I'M HAPPY TO SAY THAT THOSE HAVE BEEN RESOLVED.

AND WE'RE IN THE PROCESS RIGHT NOW OF ESTABLISHING PROPERTY LINES WITH THE TEXAS POOL AND THEN THE CITY OF PLANO, OVERLAND TRAIL PARK.

SO WHAT ABOUT THE, THE CRITERIA? ACTUALLY, WHAT WE HAVE FOUND IS THEY MEET FOUR OF THE CRITERIA, AND ONE IS TO POSSESS SIGNIFICANCE IN HISTORY, ARCHITECTURE, ARCHEOLOGY, OR CULTURE.

WELL, ONE OF THE MOST UNIQUE THINGS ABOUT THIS IS IT'S A, A POOL IN THE SHAPE OF THE STATE OF TEXAS.

THERE'S NOT MANY OF THOSE FOUND EVEN IN OUR STATE.

SOME ARE MUCH BIGGER, SOME ARE SMALLER.

OURS PROBABLY A PROBABLY ABOUT IN THE MIDDLE.

BUT WHAT'S REALLY MAKES IT UNUSUAL IS IT'S PART OF A RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT, A SUBDIVISION.

AND EVEN 60 YEARS AFTER, OR 62 YEARS AFTER, THERE REALLY HASN'T BEEN ANY COMMUNITY THAT HAS HAD SOMETHING LIKE THAT TO OFFER TO THEIR RESIDENTS.

UH, OVER THE TIME IT WENT FROM JUST BEING A LOCAL, UH, PLACE FOR THE PEOPLE WHO LIVED IN DALLAS NOR STATES TO INCLUDING ALL COMMUNITY MEMBERS IF YOU'RE WILLING TO PAY A MEMBERSHIP FOR IT.

AND SO THAT'S,

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AND IT WAS DONE, IT WAS DESIGNED THIS WAY BECAUSE THE DEVELOPER OF THE DALLAS NORTH STATES WANTED TO BRING PEOPLE UP HERE TO HIS DEVELOPMENT.

HE WAS, WAS IN PLANO, WAS 1961, AND THOUGHT, WELL, NOBODY KNOWS WHERE PLANO IS.

WHY WOULD ANYBODY EVER COME UP HERE? AND DALLAS NORTH STATES, OH, WELL, THEY'LL THINK I'M CLOSE TO DALLAS.

AND THIS WOULD ENCOURAGE THEM TO COME.

THE SECOND DESIGNATION CRITERIA ASSOCIATED WITH EVENTS THAT HAVE MADE A SIGNIFICANT CONTRIBUTION TO THE BROAD PATTERNS OF LOCAL, REGIONAL, STATE, OR NATIONAL HISTORY.

ONE OF THE IMPORTANT THINGS ABOUT THE TEXAS POOL DESIGNATION, UH, AND ABOUT THE TEXAS POOL IS IT IS A SEGUE INTO THE PLAINTIFF THAT WE KNOW AND THAT WE LIVE IN TODAY.

UH, WE ARE A SUBURBAN COMMUNITY, SUBURBAN CHARACTER.

THIS IS WHERE THAT STARTED BEFORE THIS TIME.

IF YOU'RE INVOLVED WITH PLANO HISTORY, HAVE TO BE A PART OF THE LEGACY FAMILIES.

NOW, THIS IS SOMETHING THAT INVOLVES EVERYBODY WHO LIVES IN PLANO.

WE ALL HAVE AN AMEN ENTITY.

SOME OF US HAVE TENNIS COURTS, SOME OF US HAVE SWIMMING POOLS.

OF COURSE, NOTHING QUITE LIKE THIS, BUT WE ALL HAVE THAT.

AND THIS IS THE BEGINNING OF THE DEVELOPMENT TO PLAY THOSE SUBURBAN HISTORY.

SO THAT'S WHAT'S IS, IS IMPORTANT THERE.

ALSO, ANOTHER IMPORTANT THING IS THEY DID OPEN IT UP TO INCLUDE MEMBERSHIP FROM NO MATTER WHO LIVED IN THAT NEIGHBORHOOD OR NOT, IT SERVED AS A POOL, UH, FOR PEOPLE IN PLANO UP UNTIL THE EARLY 1970S BECAUSE THE CITY DIDN'T HAVE A, A POOL UNTIL 1971.

THE THIRD CRITERIA TO IDENTIFY WITH THE PERSON WHO SIGNIFICANTLY CONTRIBUTED TO, TO THE CULTURE OR THE DEVELOPMENT OF THE CITY.

UH, THE PERSON BEHIND THE IDEA OF A TEXAS SHAPED SWING POOL WAS HERBERT HUNT.

AND HE WAS THE SON OF HL HUNT AND HE, WHO'S A MAJOR LAND DEVELOPER, NOT ONLY FOR DALLAS NORTH OF STATES, BUT FOR MUCH OF THE RESIDENTIAL LAND THAT'S SOUTH OF THE PARK BOULEVARD, 15TH STREET CORRIDOR WEST OF US, HIGHWAY 75.

WE GOT TO FIND THAT OUT IN OUR RESEARCH FOR ANOTHER PROJECT THAT WE'RE DOING RIGHT NOW.

BUT IT'S CALLED THE TEXAS HISTORY PROJECT ABOUT THE DEVELOPMENT OF OUR COMMUNITY.

AND SO HE WAS VERY ACTIVE IN THAT.

AND IF THIS IS HIS WAY OF BRINGING PEOPLE UP HERE TO THIS DEVELOPMENT.

AND FINALLY, A FOURTH CRITERIA, IT THE UNIQUE LOCATION OF SINGULAR IMPORTANCE CHARACTERISTIC, REPRESENTING AN ESTABLISHED AND FAMILIAR VISUAL FEATURE OF A NEIGHBORHOOD COMMUNITY OR THE CITY.

IT'S USING THE SHAPE OF TEXAS.

IT'S ONE OF THE FIRST EXAMPLES OF USING IT AS A MARKETING.

NOW THE SHAPE OF TEXAS IS SOMETHING THAT IS KNOWN THROUGHOUT THE WORLD.

UH, IF YOU SAY THAT YOU ARE FROM DALLAS, I'VE, I'VE TRAVELED TO DIFFERENT COUNTRIES AND OH, YOU'RE FROM DALLAS.

WELL, HAVE YOU BEEN TO SOUTH FORT GRANT? AND HAVE YOU SEEN JR? ALTHOUGH THAT IS GETTING TO BE RATHER OLD, BUT STILL, THAT'S WHAT PEOPLE THINK.

AND, AND TEXAS IS POPULAR AROUND THERE.

ALSO, THERE'S OTHER STATES AT THAT TIME STARTING TO HAVE POOLS.

FLORIDA, ALABAMA AND OKLAHOMA ARE JUST A FEW EXAMPLES AROUND THAT TIME.

ALSO, UH, THIS POOL WAS MENTIONED IN THE NEW YORK TIMES AND ALSO THE AMERICAN WAY MAGAZINE IS FEATURED WITH, UH, DALLAS OBSERVER AND NATIONAL GEOGRAPHIC KIDS.

AND SO THIS IS, UH, A GREAT RESOURCE IF YOU'VE NEVER BEEN THERE.

WHAT'S REALLY INTERESTING ABOUT THIS POOL, EVEN THOUGH IT WAS BUILT IN THE 1960S AND YOU HAVE PEOPLE COME TO IT TODAY, IT, UH, DEFINITELY REPRESENTS THAT 1960S FEEL, THE ARCHITECTURE, EVERYTHING.

BUT YOU SEE, UH, YOUNG PEOPLE TODAY OR TEENAGERS OR, OR KIDS, AND THEY'VE GOT THE, THE 2020S HAIR AND SWIMSUITS AND STYLES AND ALL THAT.

AND YET IT JUST ALL FITS.

IT'S ALL TOGETHER AND IT'S, UH, A VERY GOOD EXPERIENCE.

UH, THAT CONCLUDES MY PRESENTATION ABOUT THE, ABOUT THE DAMN MARK.

THANK YOU, STEVE.

SO THE SUBJECT PROPERTY IS DESIGNATED NEIGHBORHOODS AND THE FUTURE LAND USE MAP.

THERE'S NO CHANGE THERE AS FAR AS COMPREHENSIVE PLAN POLICIES.

THIS REQUEST IS CONSISTENT WITH THE HERITAGE PRESERVATION POLICY ACTION HP ONE AND IS DESIGNATED AS A POTENTIAL HERITAGE LANDMARK IN THE PRESERVATION PLANO ONE 50 PLAN.

AND THIS, THIS REQUEST GENERALLY MEETS THE COMPREHENSIVE PLANS AND PRES HERITAGE PRESERVATION POLICIES AS INDICATED BY THE GREEN CHECK MARKS.

AND THE YELLOW, UH, DOTS INDICATE EITHER NO CHANGE OR NOT APPLICABLE.

WE RECEIVED TWO RESPONSES IN FAVOR AND ONE RESPONSE OPPOSED WITHIN THE OFFICIAL 200 FOOT BUFFER.

UH, IT WILL NOTE THAT IN ORDER TO TRIGGER A SUPER MAJORITY VOTE, 20%

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THIS ONE DOES NOT TRIGGER THAT AS ONLY 0.01 ACRE WAS RES IN OPPOSITION CITYWIDE.

WE RECEIVED 69 U UNIQUE RESPONSES IN TOTAL WITH 62 IN SUPPORT, THREE NEUTRAL AND FOUR OPPOSED.

WE RECEIVED SIX DUPLICATE RESPONSES AND SIX RESPONSES OUTSIDE OF THE CITY OF PLANO FOR A TOTAL OF 75 RESPONSES.

AND WITH THAT STAFF IS RECOMMENDING THE ZONING CASE FOR APPROVAL AS SUBMITTED.

AND IT TO BE NOTED THAT THE HERITAGE COMMISSION RECOMMENDED THIS FOR APPROVAL SEVEN TO ZERO AT THE APRIL 25TH MEETING.

AND I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS IF THERE ARE ANY.

SORRY.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

AND THANK YOU MR. SIMS, FOR YOUR PRESENTATION.

ALWAYS THOROUGH.

UH, APPRECIATE THAT.

LOVE THE HISTORY THAT YOU BRING TO SOME OF THESE PROJECTS.

UH, QUESTIONS FOR STAFF ON THIS ITEM, MR. LYLE? OH, I GOT, GO BACK TO MY BOARD HERE AFTER I'M GONNA LET MR. LAW, I'LL GO FIRST THEN, MR. KERRY.

SURE.

I'M JUST CURIOUS, THE MONEY THAT THE $228,000 THAT THEY'VE RECEIVED SO FAR IN FUNDING, WHERE DOES THAT MONEY COME FROM? COMES FROM THE, UH, HOTEL MOTEL TAX FUND, WHICH FUNDS THE HERITAGE GRANT PROGRAM.

SO IT COMES FROM TAX DOLLARS FROM THE CITY OF PLANO.

THE CITY'S HOTEL FUNDS? YES.

PAID FOR VISITORS TO PLANO THROUGH THE HOTEL TAX? YES.

YES.

IT COMES FROM THE HOTEL OCCUPANCY TAX.

AND WHAT IT'S USED FOR ARE NOT ONLY FOR THE TEXAS SCHOOL FOUNDATION, BUT ANY ORGANIZATION IN TECH IN PLANO THAT HAS A HERITAGE SITE SUCH AS HERITAGE FARMSTEAD MUSEUM OR THE INTERURBAN MUSEUM.

UH, BUT THAT THEY HAVE A FACILITY TO HELP BRING PEOPLE TO PLANO, CHOOSE TO HELP PROMOTE TOURISM, AND, AND THAT'S WHAT THEY ARE, ARE DOING WITH THEIR FUNDS AND RESTORING THIS BACK UP AGAIN.

DO, DO WE HAVE ANY HISTORY OR RECORDS ON HOW MANY PEOPLE THAT ARE VISITING THE CITY THAT ACTUALLY, LIKE HOW MANY PEOPLE ATTEND THIS POOL AND IT YES, WE DO.

HOW IS IT CITY OF, IS IT CITY OF PLANO PEOPLE OR IS IT ACTUALLY YES.

PEOPLE THAT ARE VISITING? YES, WE DO.

UH, ONE OF THE PROVISIONS THAT THEY HAVE TO DO IS WE HAVE QUARTERLY REPORTS AND THEY HAVE TO SUBMIT THOSE EVERY QUARTER.

AND PART OF THAT REPORT IS THAT THEY HAVE TO TAKE AND THEY HAVE TO TELL US ABOUT HOW MANY PEOPLE ARE ATTENDING THEIR POOL, HOW MANY PEOPLE COME THERE.

AND, UH, SOMETIMES THEY TELL US ABOUT WHERE THEY COME FROM.

AND WHAT WE HAVE FOUND OUT IS THAT LAST YEAR IN 2022 AND THE THIRD QUARTER WAS IN THE FOURTH QUARTER, THAT WAS HER BUSIEST TIME.

THEY HAD AROUND AROUND 6200, 6300 VISITORS TO POOL ALTOGETHER.

THEY HAD 9,200 IN IN THE YEAR 2022.

AND MOST OF THE VISITORS, YES, THEY ARE FROM THE STATE OF TEXAS, BUT THEY DO COME FROM ALL 50 STATES.

AND THEY, SOME OF THEM DO COME FROM OTHER COUNTRIES, PARTICULARLY IF THEY'RE, UH, HERE TO VISIT WITH FAMILY.

LAST QUESTION.

SO THE CHAIRS THAT THEY'RE TRYING TO BUY NOW, IS THAT ALSO GONNA COME FROM CITY OF PLANO TAX DOLLARS? YES.

YES, IT IS.

IF THE DESIGNATION IS APPROVED, THAT'S GONNA BE COMING FROM THE HOTEL OCCUPANCY TAX.

THAT'S ALL I GOT.

SO I'D LIKE TO, UH, WELL, I, I'LL, UH, LET'S VISIT, JUST TO BE CLEAR THOUGH, THAT WE'RE JUST LOOKING AT THE LAND USE, NOT THE TAX DOLLAR USE.

OH, RIGHT.

BUT FOR ANYONE ELSE THAT'S RIGHT.

MAKING QUESTIONS AROUND IT.

COMMISSIONER KERRY? YEAH.

GREAT.

THANK YOU.

UM, JUST A, A COUPLE THINGS.

UM, SO I, I'M CURIOUS, JUST KIND OF PIGGYBACK ON HIM.

UM, WHAT ARE THE USAGE TREND? IS THE POOL FLAT, UH, FLAT USAGE? IS IT TRENDING UP OR BACK? UH, WHAT, WHAT'S THAT SEEM LIKE HERE WITH THIS PARTICULAR PROPERTY? UH, IS IT GROWING? IS IT FLATLINING IN TERMS OF USAGE? YOU, I THINK YOU MENTIONED 9,200 VISITS AS FAR AS IT NUMBER OF VISITORS ARE CONCERNED.

YEAH.

YES, SIR.

YES.

IT'S GOTTEN ACTUALLY HAS BECOME MORE, UH, 2021 WAS NOT A, WAS NOT A GOOD TIME OR 2020 FOR THE POOL.

AND, UH, 2022, THEY REALLY HAD QUITE A REBOUND.

AND IT'LL BE INTERESTING TO SEE WHAT THEY DO AFTER THAT WITH THE, WITH THEIR RIGHT MIDDLE OF THEIR REPORTS.

AND THEY ALSO HAD RATHER STRONG VISITORSHIP BACK IN 20 18, 20 19 BEFORE THE PANDEMIC.

BUT 2022 IS BY FAR ONE OF THEIR BUSIEST YEARS.

NO, THAT'S GREAT.

UH, YOU MENTIONED MEMBERSHIP.

UM, MUST YOU HAVE A MEMBERSHIP OR IS THIS OPEN TO THE PUBLIC NOW? LET'S, I'M SORRY.

IT'S NOT, IT IS OPEN TO THE PUBLIC, UH, UH, MEMBERSHIP IS WHAT THEY WOULD LIKE FOR YOU TO HAVE TO COME THERE.

BUT YOU CAN COME AND SWIM IF YOU'RE WILLING TO PAY A FEE, THERE'S LIKE A USE FEE OR SOMETHING.

OKAY.

UM, SO AS I STAND AT THE FRONT OF THIS PROPERTY, LOOKING AT IT, IT APPEARED TO ME THAT THE DESIGNATION IS JUST AROUND THE POOL AND THERE APPEARS TO BE VACANT LAND TO THE RIGHT AND LEFT.

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SO MY QUESTION IS THIS, UM, WHAT ARE, WHAT IS THE LAND TO THE RIGHT AND LEFT, AND WHY IS IT NOT INCLUDED IN YOUR PROPOSAL HERE? I'M CURIOUS ABOUT THAT.

THE LAND TO THE RIGHT AND LEFT HAPPENS TO BE A PART OF THE OVERLAND TRAIL PARK WITH THE CITY OF PLANO.

OKAY.

AND SO IT'S PARKLAND, AND SO THAT'S WHY IT'S NOT, IT'S NOT A PART OF THAT SITE, UH, THAT THE SITE IS PRIMARILY FOCUSES ON THE POOL ITSELF.

OKAY.

GREAT.

THANK YOU.

AND THEN, YOU KNOW, JUST KINDA A, A COMMENT, MAYBE A QUESTION, ONE OF THE NEGATIVE RESPONSES WITH WAS THE EFFECT THAT THIS PROPERTY'S HAVING ON THE NEIGHBORHOODS.

BUT YES, I MEAN, SINCE THIS THING'S BEEN HERE FOR 50 YEARS, MY GUESS IS IF YOU MOVED INTO THIS NEIGHBORHOOD, YOU MIGHT KNOW THIS, THIS THING'S THERE.

SO ANYWAY, THANK, I THINK IT'S, IT'S A COOL POOL.

SO THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR THE PRESENTATION.

ALL RIGHT.

MOVING IN ORDER, MR. BROSKY, I JUST HAVE ONE SMALL QUESTION.

I WAS LOOKING AT ONE OF THE NEGATIVE RESPONSES, AND, UH, THEY MADE THE COMMENT THAT, UH, IN YOUR PRESENTATION YOU MENTIONED THAT IT, UH, BECAME A DESTINATION WAS IT SAYS THE POOL WAS NOT DESIGN, UH, WAS NOT ORIGINALLY DESIGNED TO BE A DESTINATION FOR EVERYONE, IT WAS FOR A NEIGHBORHOOD AMENITY.

SO I'M TRYING TO UNDERSTAND, WAS THE INTENTION AS A DESTINATION FROM ALL AROUND THE WORLD, OR WAS IT REALLY TO ATTRACT PEOPLE TO HIS NEIGHBORHOOD AS A AMENITY JUST FOR THAT NEIGHBORHOOD? IT WAS FIRST CONSTRUCTED BACK IN 1961.

IT WAS INTENDED TO SERVE PEOPLE WHO LIVED IN DALLAS NORTH, THE STATES.

BUT TIMES HAVE CHANGED SINCE THAT, UH, THE POOL WAS FIRST OPENED, UH, PARTICULARLY IN THE 1980S, 1990S, UH, COMMISSIONER KERRY WAS TALKING ABOUT DROPPING OFF.

WELL, DURING THAT TIME PERIOD, THAT IS WHEN THE DENTIST STARTED TO DROP OFF, AND THAT'S WHEN THEY DECIDE TO START OPENING IT UP AND TRYING TO PROMOTE IT AND, AND TO LET PEOPLE KNOW ABOUT WHAT'S THAT IT EXISTS AND IT'S HERE.

AND TO GET PEOPLE TO COME.

SO IN THE 1990S, THEY REALLY STARTED TO EXPAND THEIR EFFORTS, UH, TO MAKE IT KNOWN TO PEOPLE, HEY, THEY CAN COME HERE IF YOU WOULD LIKE, AND, AND YOU CAN GO SWIMMING HERE.

AND ALSO SEEMED TO START TO OPEN UP MORE LIKE THAT TOO, IN THE BEFORE 1971 WHEN THE STATE DIDN'T HAVE A POOL AND THIS WAS THE ONLY PLACE YOU COULD GO.

AND THERE'S A LOT OF PRESSURE ON, ON USING IT.

SO THAT HELPED TOO, BECAUSE IT'S A HUGE PLACE.

AND DALLAS NORTH STATE'S, UH, SUBDIVISION'S NOT THAT BIG.

AND, UH, AND IT'S KIND OF BIG TO, IT'S KIND OF A BIG THING TO TRY TO HAVE THAT JUST SUPPORT IT.

AND SO THEY NEEDED TO EXPAND IT TO GET MORE HELP WITH SUPPORT.

AND NOW TODAY IT'S MORE, UH, MARKETED TOWARDS, UH, PEOPLE COMING TO PLAY PLANO.

HEY, WHEN YOU'RE HERE IN PLANO, COME BY AND VISIT WITH US.

AND, AND THAT'S ANOTHER THING SOME OF OUR FUNDS HAVE BEEN USED FOR TOO, IS MARK, TO TRY TO ENCOURAGE PEOPLE TO COME AND GETTING THE WORD OUT THERE ABOUT THE TEXAS POOL, PUTTING IT WITH THE CONVENTION VISITORS BUREAU, WITH THE HOTELS AROUND HERE, AND TRYING TO ENCOURAGE HIM, INVITE PEOPLE TO COME.

SO, UH, DO YOU, SO YOU MENTIONED 69 PEOPLE F OR THE NUMBERS THAT YOU HAD JUST PROVIDED A MINUTE AGO ABOUT PEOPLE COMING FROM OUT OF STATE AND OUT OF THE COUNTRY.

SO DO PEOPLE COME TO PLANO TO GO TO THAT? IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE TRYING TO SAY? OR IS THAT JUST, I THINK SOMEPLACE THEY STOP AND VISIT WHILE THEY'RE HERE.

I THINK THAT THE, MAYBE PEOPLE COME TO PLANO, PROBABLY TO VISIT FAMILY OR SOMETHING.

THEY'RE FROM ANOTHER COUNTRY, OR IF THEY'RE OUTTA STATE, MAYBE THEY MIGHT COME THERE TO STAY.

WE DON'T KNOW WHAT THE REASONS WHY PEOPLE COME TO PLANO, BUT AS FAR AS THE TEXAS POOL IS CONCERNED, YOU KNOW, THEY AREN'T PROMOTING THEMSELVES.

IT IS AN ATTRACTION THAT YOU CAN GO SEE.

I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S SOMETHING YOU'RE GONNA SEEK OUT WHEN YOU COME HERE.

UH, I WOULD THINK MAYBE HARRY'S FARMSTEAD MUSEUM MIGHT BE SOMETHING MORE THAT YOU'D WANNA SEEK OUT LIKE THAT.

BUT, UH, IT'S, IT'S SOMETHING THAT IS HERE AND IT'S SOMETHING THAT'S UNIQUE THAT YOU DON'T SEE EVERYWHERE.

AND, UH, AND THEY'RE TRYING TO WORK ON GETTING THE WORD OUT FOR THAT.

NO, THAT WAS ALL I HAD.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR THAT.

APPRECIATE IT.

OKAY.

LET, LET'S KEEP IT WHEN WE STILL HAVE AN APPLICANT TO DO A PRESENTATION TOO.

SO SOME IN INFORMATION MAY COME OUT OF THAT.

AND THEN LET'S ALSO KIND OF KEEP IN MIND WE'RE JUST BEING ASKED TO APPROVE A HERITAGE.

IT'S NOT WHETHER WE'RE APPROVING THE POOL OR ANYTHING, WE'RE JUST ADDING A LAYER OF DESIGNATION ON IT, UH, WHICH ACTUALLY WILL HELP THEM GET FUNDS IN FROM OTHER SOURCES THAN JUST SIMPLY THE CITY OF PLANO.

SO, UH, ANY MORE QUESTIONS THAT ONLY STAFF CAN ANSWER, MR. RATLIFF? THANK YOU, STEVE.

UM, UH, CHAIRMAN, STEVE, JUST A QUICK QUESTION.

YOU SPENT A LOT OF TIME TALKING ABOUT THE POOL, BUT I KNOW THERE'S A STRUCTURE OUT THERE AS WELL.

IS THERE ANY CONTRIBUTING HISTORICAL VALUE TO IT? AND, UM, AS FAR AS THE HISTORIC DESIGNATION IS CONCERNED, YES.

IT'S A, IT'S, LIKE I SAY, IT WAS RESTORED BACK IN, LET'S SEE, WELL, THEY'VE BEEN WORKING ON THE RESTORATION SINCE 20 18, 20 19, AND ONE OF THE THINGS THEY'VE DONE IS TO PUT THE, THE POOL BACK AND ALSO TO

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ALSO, ANOTHER THING THAT'S VERY UNIQUE TO IT, USED TO USED TO HAVE AND HAVE BEEN RESTORED TODAY, LITTLE TILES THAT HAVE NAMES OF THE DIFFERENT CITIES OF THE STATE OF TEXAS.

SO WHEN YOU GO IN THE POOL AND YOU CAN SWIM, YOU SAY, WHERE IS DALLAS? OR WHERE IS EL PASO? OR WHERE IS HOUSTON? AND THAT'S RESTORING IT BACK TO, TO WHAT IT USED TO BE AND JUST, UH, THE BUILDING ITSELF WHERE YOU GO TO CHANGE YOUR CLOTHES, IF, IF THAT'S, IF YOU CHANGE THERE.

AND ALSO THEIR PUMP HOUSE, ALL OF THAT IS STILL A PART OF THAT SITE.

SO DOES THAT BUILDING HAVE SOME, ANY ARCHITECTURAL SIGNIFICANCE OR IS IT JUST A PERIOD APPROPRIATE? IT'S JUST A PERIOD OF WHEN THAT, UH, POOL IS CONSTRUCTED.

OKAY.

THANK YOU.

COMMISSIONER TOM.

UM, JUST A QUICK QUESTION ON THE CITY.

WHY THE STANDARD ON, UH, HISTORICAL DESIGNATED THE, UH, SITES? ARE THEY MAJORLY, MAJORLY OWNED BY THE CITY OR THEY'RE OWNED BY INDIVIDUALS? I'M SORRY, WHAT IS IT? HOW TO ASK AGAIN? SO WE'RE MAKING A DESIGNATION ON THIS SITE, RIGHT? I'M ASSUMING? YES, JUST FOR THEIR SITE.

OKAY.

AND FOR OTHER HERITAGE, LIKE HISTORICAL DESIGNEE SITE, ARE THEY OWNED YES.

BY THE CITY OR NEARBY INDIVIDUAL? LIKE, UH, UH, JUST A, A REGULAR CITIZEN.

ARE THEY PRIVATELY OWNED OR THEY'RE OWNED BY THE CITY? IT'S DONE BY A IS DELL HAS A FOUNDATION, THE TEXAS PAROLE FOUNDATION.

SO THAT IS SOMEWHAT OF A PRIVATE, IN FACT, IT HAS A BOARD THAT TAKES CARE OF IT.

YET THEY ARE A NONPROFIT ORGANIZATION.

IT'S A PRIVATE NONPROFIT ORGANIZATION BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT THEY HAVE TO DO IN ORDER TO QUALIFY TO RECEIVE GRANTS.

AND I, AND I'LL ADD THE OVERWHELMING MAJORITY ARE, ARE PRIVATELY OWNED PROPERTIES.

OKAY.

YES.

OKAY, THANK YOU.

MOST DESIGNATIONS OFFER PRIVATE PROPERTY .

OKAY.

COMMISSIONER RALEIGH, SPECIFIC TO YES.

SPECIFIC TO STAFF, JUST A VERY QUICK QUESTION.

IT'S MORE PROCEDURAL.

IF FOR ANY REASON THIS DOESN'T PASS AND THEY DON'T GET A DESIGNATION, WHAT HAPPENS ONCE IT RECEIVES ITS DESIGNATION, THEN IF IT DOESN'T RECEIVE THE DESIGNATION, WHAT HAPPENS? IF IT DID NOT, YES.

IF IT DID NOT RECEIVE ITS DESIGNATION, THEN IT WOULD NOT BE ELIGIBLE FOR THE, THE, THE SEATING PROJECT.

I THINK YOU'RE ASKING IF TONIGHT WAS THE, WHAT'S THE PROCEDURE MOVING FORWARD? IT'S LIKE ANY OTHER ZONING CASE.

YEAH.

IF IT'S DENIED, THEY HAVE THE OPTION TO APPEAL TO CITY COUNCIL.

YES.

THEY CAN DO THAT.

UH, ABILITY TO RAISE FUNDS OR WHAT? UH, NO.

THEY ESSENTIALLY, WE, THE PROPERTY IS NOT DESIGNATED AT THAT POINT.

SO NOTHING, NONE OF THE EXTERIOR WORK IS SUBJECT TO THE HERITAGE COMMISSIONS PER YOU.

THEY CAN CONTINUE TO DO WHAT THEY, YOU KNOW, WITHOUT APPROVALS FROM THE CITY.

UM, THE GRANT FUNDING ITSELF IS TIED TO THEM GOING THROUGH THE PROCESS, NOT ACTUALLY RECEIVING THE DESIGNATION.

GOTCHA.

SO THE FUNDING COULD STILL MOVE FORWARD.

OKAY.

COMMISSIONER MURPH? YES.

FOR THE STAFF, UM, IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING THAT THERE IS A HERITAGE BOARD THAT OPERATES UNDER THE AUSPICES OF THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT.

IS THAT CORRECT? YES, WE DO HAVE A HERITAGE COMMISSION.

HERITAGE COMMISSION, YES.

HAVE THEY CONSIDERED THIS MATTER IN SOME DETAIL? YES, THEY HAVE.

AND THAT WAS THE FIRST PLACE THAT WE WENT TO THE HERITAGE COMMISSION, AND THEY, THEY LOOKED AT THE LOCAL DESIGNATION, THEY MADE A RECOMMENDATION THAT MOVED FORWARD.

SO WHAT IS THERE LEFT FOR US TO DO WITHOUT REVISITING THE WORK THAT HAS ALREADY BEEN DONE BY THE HERITAGE COMMISSION? LEAVE WITH THE WORK HERE FOR YOU TONIGHT TO DO IS TO MAKE A RECOMMENDATION WHETHER THIS LOCAL DESIGNATION SHOULD BE APPROVED OR NOT, BECAUSE IT IS A ZONING, IT'S A, IT IS A ZONING, AND THAT'S A, A FUNCTION OF THE PLAN AND ZONING COMMISSION TO MAKE A DECISION WHETHER IT SHOULD RECEIVE ITS HERITAGE DESIGNATION ZONING TO GO FORWARD TO CITY COUNCIL.

AND DOES THAT DEPEND IN GREAT PART ON WHETHER THIS IS CONSISTENT WITH THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN? IT, THE, THE ORDINANCES OUTLINED? THE COMMISSION'S ROLE IS TO REVIEW THE CRITERIA FOR DESIGNATION THAT ARE OUTLINED IN THE CODE OF ORDINANCES.

YEAH.

AND THAT'S WHAT WE'VE OUTLINED IN THE PRESENTATION THAT MEETS FOUR OF THOSE CRITERIA.

IT HAS TO MEET TWO.

SO WHAT THE, WHAT THE P AND Z IS TASKED TO DO IS DOES IT MEET THOSE CRITERIA, YES OR NO? AND MAKE THAT RECOMMENDATION TO CITY COUNCIL.

OKAY.

I THINK THE HERITAGE COMMISSION HAS DONE ITS JOB AND, AND Y'ALL HAVE DONE YOUR JOB.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

I'M AFRAID TO ASK .

OKAY.

I SEE.

NO MORE QUESTIONS.

THANK YOU.

SORRY THAT TOOK A WHILE.

UH, DECENT QUESTIONS, BUT, OKAY.

ALL RIGHT.

SO NOW NO MORE QUESTIONS.

RIGHT.

ALL RIGHT.

SO

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I THINK WE HAVE AN APPLICANT.

WE DO.

WE HAVE JAMES GOLDSMITH FROM THE TEXAS POOL FOUNDATION.

THANK YOU, MR. GOLDSMITH'S NAME, ADDRESS, AND, UH, JAMES GOLDSMITH.

I LIVE AT, UH, 28 0 4 BISCAYNE DRIVE IN PLANO, TEXAS, IN THE DALLAS NORTH ESTATES , UH, DO I GO NOW OR IS THERE ANYTHING? YEAH.

OKAY.

UH, ONCE AGAIN, I'M JAMES GOLDSMITH.

I'M THE HISTORIAN FOR THE TEXAS POOL FOUNDATION.

SO I'LL GO JUST GIVE YOU A BRIEF RUN THROUGH.

UH, STEVE'S ALREADY TOUCHED ON A LOT OF THE THINGS THAT I'M GONNA DISCUSS BRIEFLY HERE.

HE IS DONE A GREAT JOB.

UH, TEXAS POOL, OBVIOUSLY WAS FOUNDED IN 19, I FOUND THIS ON THE WEB.

WHOA, .

I'M JUST TRYING TO, SHE'S LOOKING UP THE TEXAS POOL.

SORRY, GO AHEAD.

UH, TEXAS POOL WAS OBVIOUSLY FOUNDED, UH, MADE, UH, BUILT IN 1961, PART OF THE DALLAS NORTH ESTATES BY THE HUNT FAMILY.

UH, HUNT FAMILY ACTUALLY SOLD THE TEXAS POOL TO THE DALLAS NORTH COMMUNITY CLUB IN 1962 FOR THE WHOPPING SUM OF $1.

UH, THE POOL THEN OPERATED FOR THE NEXT 30 TO 40 YEARS.

UH, WE DON'T HAVE A WHOLE LOT OF HISTORY THERE BECAUSE NO ONE WAS KEEPING TRACK OF THESE ITEMS, BUT BACK THEN, BUT ALL OF THE ORIGINAL STRUCTURES OF THE POOL ARE STILL IN PLACE.

UH, THEY'VE BEEN MAINTAINED, AS STEVE MENTIONED PREVIOUSLY, THEY'VE, THEY'VE BEEN THROUGH THE HERITAGE GRANT.

THEY'VE REALLY BEEN IMPROVED UPON AND UPGRADED AND, BUT THEY STILL MAINTAIN THE HISTORIC, UH, FLAVOR OF THE POOL.

UH, 2007, UH, MURAL WAS ADDED TO THE ORIGINAL PUMP HOUSE.

2013 WAS A BIG YEAR.

THAT'S WHEN THE TEXAS POOL FOUNDATION WAS FOUNDED.

UH, THE POOL FOUNDATION'S MISSION WAS TO PRESERVE THE TEXAS POOL AS A LANDMARK, SUPPORT THE COMMUNITY THROUGH OUTREACH AND EVENTS, AND TO PROVIDE ACCESS TO SWIM SAFETY LESSONS AND OPPORTUNITIES FOR THE GENERAL PUBLIC.

AND THIS IS ALSO WHEN, YOU KNOW, IT'S A MEMBERSHIP AS HAS BEEN BROUGHT UP ALREADY AT MEMBERSHIP, BUT IT'S ALSO OPEN TO THE PUBLIC FOR VERY REASONABLE DAY RATES AS WELL.

SO IT'S, IT'S REALLY AN IMPORTANT PART, IN MY OPINION, AN IMPORTANT PART OF THE COMMUNITY THAT EVERYONE CAN ATTEND AND EVERYONE CAN HAVE ACCESS TO.

THE TEXAS POOL, UH, THROUGHOUT THE 2000 TENS AND TWENTIES, THAT'S, UH, WHEN A LOT OF, UH, REPAIRS AND UPGRADES HAVE BEEN MADE, ONCE AGAIN, UH, STRICTLY VOLUNTEERS AT THE TEXAS POOL.

SO A LOT OF THAT'S BEEN DONE BY VOLUNTEER AND WITH THE SUPPORT OF THE GRANT, UH, FOUNDATION, UH, THEY'VE REFINISHED THE FLOOR OF THE POOL.

THEY'VE UPGRADED, UH, THE PLUMBING, DONE, VARIOUS MAINTENANCE MARKETING, AND A LOT OF THAT WOULD NOT BE POSSIBLE WITH THE HERITAGE.

UH, GRANT, UH, TEXAS POOL WAS OBVIOUSLY AS TOUCHED ON EARLIER AS THE EARLIEST KNOWN POOL SHAPED LIKE TEXAS.

UH, ALL THE ORIGINAL STRUCTURES ARE STILL PRESENT AND OPERATIONAL.

THERE'S BEEN MINIMAL CHANGES TO THE TEXAS POOL OVER THE YEARS.

UH, PLANO CONSERVANCY, UH, THEY INSTALLED A HISTORICAL MARKER IN 2017, AND THE TEXAS POOL WAS OFFICIALLY ADDED TO THE NATIONAL REGISTER OF HISTORIC PLACES IN 2019.

AND ON A PERSONAL NOTE, UH, I'M, I'M A SIXTH GENERATION TEXAN.

I'VE LIVED IN PLANO FOR FIVE YEARS NOW.

WHEN I DISCOVERED THE TEXAS POOL, I THOUGHT THIS WAS JUST AN AMAZING PART OF OUR COMMUNITY.

UH, I'M EXCITED TO TALK ABOUT IT.

I'M EXCITED TO TALK TO OTHERS ABOUT IT.

AND I REALLY THINK THAT THIS HERITAGE DESIGNATION IS JUST, UH, IT'S AN IMPORTANT WAY TO ENSURE THAT THE POOL'S GONNA BE HERE INTO PERPETUITY.

SO I APPRECIATE Y'ALL'S TIME.

THANK YOU.

OKAY.

UM, QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT? UH, MR. ALI? UM, I'LL ADMIT TO BE A LITTLE BIT AMBIVALENT ABOUT THE DESIGNATION AND THIS, WHEN I'M READING THE, THE DEFINITION OF THE DESIGNATION FOR THE PRESERVATION OF THOSE AREAS, PLACES, BUILDING STRUCTURES, WORKS OF ARTS AND OTHER OBJECTS, HAVING SIGNIFICANT HISTORICAL ARCHEOLOGICAL OR CULTURAL INTERESTS AND VALUES WHICH REFLECT THE HERITAGE OF THE CITY OF PLANO.

I WENT INTO A LITTLE BIT OF A RABBIT HOLE LOOKING AT WHAT HAS GOTTEN THE DESIGNATION SO FAR.

AND, YOU KNOW, WHEN I THINK, UH, HISTORICAL SIGNIFICANCE, I THINK OF, UH, THE DAVIS CEMETERY, I THINK OF, UH, S B YT HOUSE.

I THINK OF MS. SHMO, PHOENIX'S HOME, YOU KNOW MM-HMM.

THAT

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UM, I WOULD ALMOST ARGUE THAT THE DALLAS NOR STATES WAS, IS MORE OF A FOOTNOTE IN THE HISTORY OF PLANO BECOMING SUBURBAN THAN THIS POOL.

SO, I DUNNO IF YOU COULD HELP ME UNDERSTAND HOW THIS FALLS INTO THOSE CATEGORIES THAT ARE PARTICULAR TO THE HISTORY OF PLANO, THE POOL ITSELF, PARTICULARLY TO THE HISTORY OF PLANO.

WELL, I MEAN, IT'S PART OF THE COMMUNITY, AND I THINK WE, I THINK IT'S BEEN TOUCHED ON ALREADY THAT UNTIL 1971, THIS WAS ONE OF THE FEW POOLS WITHIN, UH, PUBLIC POOL WITHIN THE CITY OF PLANO.

UH, IT'S AN IMPORTANT PART OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD.

I KNOW AS A MEMBER OF THE DALLAS NORTH ESTATES, I MEAN, I, I HAVE A LOT OF PRIDE IN THE TEXAS POOL AND IT EXISTING THERE.

SO I LIKE TO THINK OF IT AS KIND OF A TOUCHSTONE OF THAT NEIGHBORHOOD AND, AND AT, AT AS A GREATER, UH, AS PLANO ITSELF IS KIND OF A TOUCHSTONE.

I THINK, I THINK THAT'S A, A VALID QUESTION IN TERMS OF THAT.

BUT, UM, I, I THINK ONE OF THE CONCERNS I WOULD HAVE WOULD BE IF, IF IT'S NOT APPROVED, THERE'S NOTHING TO PREVENT THEM FROM CHANGING THIS THING WITHOUT GOING THROUGH THE HERITAGE COMMISSION, WHICH CAN WORK HARD TO MAKE SURE THAT IT DOESN'T.

AND SO TODAY WE LOOK AT IT AND THINK MAYBE A LITTLE AMBIVALENT ABOUT IT, FAST FORWARD 50 YEARS, NOW YOU HAVE SOMETHING THAT'S, YOU KNOW, 120 YEARS OLD, BUT HAS BEEN MAINTAINED IN THE SAME CONDITION.

NOW THE VALUE OF IT.

SO I THINK THAT'S ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE CAN DO BY AWARDING THIS DESIGNATION, IS MAINTAIN THIS FOR FUTURE GENERATIONS.

UM, MR. RATLIFF, YOU WERE NEXT.

I THINK YOU SAID ABOUT HALF OF WHAT I WAS ABOUT TO SAY.

I WAS GONNA APPLAUD Y'ALL BECAUSE I KNOW THAT GOING THROUGH THE, THE PROCESS OF GETTING ALL THESE DESIGNATIONS IS AN EFFORT, BUT IT'S ALSO A COMMITMENT.

AND SO I WANTED TO THANK Y'ALL FOR MAKING THAT COMMITMENT, CUZ WHAT YOU'RE TELLING US IS THAT YOU WANT US TO HELP YOU MAKE SURE THAT IT STAYS THAT WAY FOREVER.

I MEAN, THE NATIONAL REGISTER, THAT'S A PRETTY HIGH HURDLE.

I MEAN, I APPLAUD FOR GETTING THAT BECAUSE THAT'S NOT AN EASY TASK.

AND SO, UM, UH, YOU KNOW, IF, IF, UH, IF Y'ALL WANT US TO HELP YOU PRESERVE IT, I, I'M SUPPORTIVE OF THAT AND I APPRECIATE Y'ALL STEPPING UP AND ASKING US TO HELP TIE YOUR HANDS A LITTLE BIT.

THANK YOU.

UH, NEXT WAS COMMISSIONER CAREY.

YEAH.

UM, GOSH, I, UM, YOU KNOW, I UNDERSTAND, UH, COMMISSIONER OLLIE'S POINT, BUT, YOU KNOW, UM, NOT ALL OF US HAVE BEEN SIXTH GENERATION TEXANS, AND SO WE MIGHT LOOK AT IT A LITTLE DIFFERENT DEPENDING ON HOW LONG WE'VE LIVED IN TEXAS.

YOU KNOW, UM, I, I THINK THIS DOES DESERVE THE, UH, THE DESIGNATION.

UH, IT'S THE FIRST POOL SHAPED BY TEXAS AND TEXAS BASED ON WHAT WE KNOW.

UM, AND, AND AS I READ THE MATERIAL, POSSIBLY WITHOUT THE POOL, THERE WOULDN'T HAVE BEEN THE NEIGHBORHOOD.

SO I DON'T KNOW THAT THE NEIGHBORHOOD IS, IS THE MOST SIGNIFICANT THING BECAUSE WITHOUT THE POOL, IT'S JUST ONE MORE NEIGHBORHOOD THAT MIGHT NOT HAVE BEEN EXISTED BECAUSE BACK THEN THE HUNTS FELT THAT THE POOL WAS NECESSARY TO GET THE ATTENTION.

SO HARD TO, HARD TO ARGUE WITH THAT, IN MY OPINION.

UM, AND, AND SO THE OTHER THING IS, IS THE HERITAGE FOUNDATION IS OUR COMMISSION HAS VOTED SEVEN OH AND I, AND I HAVE TO BELIEVE THAT THEY PUT A LOT OF TIME INTO THIS AND PROBABLY ARE MORE QUALIFIED THAN, THAN ME.

AND I'M JUST SPEAKING FOR ME NO ONE ELSE TO, UH, TO MAKE THIS DECISION.

AND SO I THINK THE POOL'S REALLY GREAT AND, UM, PERSONALLY, AND SO, YOU KNOW, I I I APPLAUD WHAT YOU GUYS ARE DOING PERSONALLY.

THANK YOU, SIR.

COMMISSIONER TONG, UM, REGARDING THE FUTURE OPERATION OF THE SITE, UH, IS AFTER THE DESIGNATION IS RECEIVED, WHAT'S YOUR PLAN ON OPERATING? I, I HEARD A MEMBERSHIP, IS THAT GONNA BE PRE PLANO RESIDENCE ONLY OR CUZ I KNOW OUR PUBLIC POOLS FROM UH, UH, PARK AND REC, YOU, THERE'RE DIFFERENT RATES BETWEEN RESIDENTS AND NON-RESIDENTS IF THEY'RE FROM OUT OF STATE, OR IS THERE A PUBLIC ADMISSION THEY HAVE TO PAY? WHAT KIND OF PLAN YOU HAVE ON THE, UH, UM, KIND OF THE MOVING FORWARD OR, UH, OF ACCESS THE POOL ACCESSING? WELL, I AM THE, JUST THE HISTORIAN OF THE TEXAS POOL, SO I MIGHT NOT BE THE BEST PERSON TO ASK ON THAT, BUT I KNOW THAT THAT MEMBERSHIP IS ENCOURAGED, UH, THROUGHOUT.

AND I WOULD BE WILLING TO BET THAT MOST OF THE PEOPLE WHO ARE ACTUALLY MEMBERS OF THE POOL ARE PROBABLY LOCAL TO EITHER THE NEIGHBORHOOD OR AT LEAST PLANO.

UH, I WOULD ASSUME THAT MOST OF OUR KIND OF DAY PASSES THAT ARE PURCHASED ARE PROBABLY PURCHASED BY FOLKS FROM OUTSIDE OF PLANO, THROUGHOUT THE STATE, ANY VISITORS THAT MIGHT HAPPEN TO BE IN PLANO AT THE TIME.

SO, UH, I KNOW WE ENCOURAGE MEMBERSHIPS SIMPLY BECAUSE THAT'S KIND OF A RECURRING THAT REALLY HELPS WITH THE, THE OPERATION OF THE POOL.

OKAY, THANK YOU.

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UM, THANK YOU.

DO WE HAVE ANY MORE SPEAKERS ON THIS ITEM? NO, WE DO NOT.

ALL RIGHT.

VERY GOOD.

I WILL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING.

THANK YOU, SIR.

THANK Y'ALL CONFINED DISCUSSION TO THE COMMISSION.

UH OH, SORRY.

UH, MR. BRUNO, THANK YOU.

ACCORDING TO THE MATERIALS WE'VE BEEN PROVIDED, UH, THE NORTH DALLAS ESTATES WAS THE FIRST SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT IN PLANO, WEST OF US, 75, THE CENTRAL EXPRESSWAY.

UM, I THINK IT WAS THE HALLMARK OF THE BEGINNING OF PLANOS EXPANSION FROM THE SMALL LITTLE FARMING COMMUNITY, KIND OF AN AFTERTHOUGHT OF A PLACE TO THE CITY.

IT HAS BECOME, UH, UH, IT HAS BECOME TODAY.

THAT WAS THE FIRST INSTANCE OF THE WESTWARD EXPANSION THAT HAS CHARACTERIZED PLANO HISTORICALLY.

SO I THINK THIS DOES HAVE HISTORIC VALUE AND I'M PREPARED TO MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE IT.

THANK YOU.

UH, MR. RATLIFF, UM, I'M PROUD TO SECOND THAT MOTION.

I APPRECIATE Y'ALL STEPPING FORWARD TO PRESERVE ONE OF OUR RESOURCES AND, UM, I APPRECIATE Y'ALL COMING DOWN HERE ON SECOND.

SO JUST TO BE CLEAR, DID YOU MAKE, YOU SAID YOU WOULD BE WILLING TO MAKE ? YES.

I MOVE THAT, UH, ZONING CASE 2022 DASH OH 20 B APPROVED FOR HERITAGE LANDMARK DESIGNATION.

OKAY.

ALL RIGHT.

DISCUSSION.

I THANK SOMEBODY ELSE.

UH, MR. ALI, DID YOU LIKE, WOULD YOU LIKE US? UH, JUST TO PUT SOME WORDS AROUND THE WORD OF MY AMBIVALENCE, UM, TO IT, UM, I AGREE WITH COMMISSIONER BRUNO THAT THE DALLAS NOTICE STATE WAS KIND OF LIKE THAT MARKER FOR THAT NETWORK, UH, WESTWOOD EXPANSION.

UM, AND GIVEN THAT THE POOL IN MOST LIKELIHOOD FROM RESEARCH WAS ESSENTIALLY A REACTION TO A DESEGREGATION MOVEMENT AROUND THAT TIME, MY AMBIVALENCE AROUND THIS, OKAY, DO WE MARKET HISTORICAL? THAT BEING SAID, THE HERITAGE COMMISSION IS MUCH CLOSER TO THIS THAN I AM.

IT IS ON THE NATIONAL REGISTER OF HISTORICAL PLACES FOR A REASON.

SO KIND OF WASHES A BIT, BUT JUST TO EXPLAIN MY LENS FURTHER.

THANK YOU.

I APPRECIATE THAT.

I DON'T SEE ANY MORE LIGHTS.

SO WE HAVE A MOTION BY COMMISSIONER BOFF OF THE SECOND BY COMMISSIONER REIFF TO APPROVE ITEM ONE.

PLEASE VOTE NOT.

ITEM CARRIES BY VOTE OF SEVEN TO ZERO WITH ONE ABSTENTION BY MR. O.

THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE.

AND WE WILL MOVE ON TO ITEM

[2. (PM) Public Hearing - Replat & Revised Site Plan: Crest Cadillac Addition, Block A, Lot 3R - Major vehicle repair and new vehicle dealer on one lot on 1.4 acres located on the west side of U.S. Highway 75, 870 feet south of Lexington Drive. Zoned Corridor Commercial. Projects #R2023-006 and #RSP2023-010. Applicant: Delynn A. Davidson (Administrative consideration)]

AGENDA ITEM NUMBER TWO, PUBLIC HEARING REPLAT AND REVISED SITE PLAN CREST CADILLAC EDITION BLOCK A LOT THREE R, MAJOR VEHICLE REPAIR AND NEW VEHICLE DEALER ON ONE LOT ON 1.4 ACRES LOCATED AT THE WEST SIDE OF US 70 US HIGHWAY SEVENTY FIVE EIGHT HUNDRED AND SEVENTY FEET SOUTH OF LEXINGTON DRIVE ZONE CORRIDOR COMMERCIAL APPLICANT IS DYLAN A. DAVIDSON.

THIS IS FOR ADMINISTRATIVE CONSIDERATION.

STAFF RECOMMENDS THIS ITEM FOR APPROVAL AS SUBMITTED.

I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THERE ARE, JEAN.

THANK YOU.

DO WE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF ON THIS ITEM? SEEING NONE, I WILL OPEN.

THANK YOU.

HEARING.

DO WE HAVE ANY SPEAKERS ON THIS ITEM? UH, THE APPLICANT REPRESENTATIVE IS AVAILABLE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS FROM THE COMMISSION.

DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT? SEEING NONE, I'LL THE PUBLIC HEARING CONFINED DISCUSSION TO THE COMMISSION.

I MOVE.

WE APPROVE THIS AS SUBMITTED.

ONE SECOND.

I HAVE A MOTION BY COMMISSIONER BROSKY WITH THE SECOND BY COMMISSIONER BRUNO TO APPROVE.

ITEM TWO IS SUBMITTED.

PLEASE VOTE.

MR. LAW, THAT ITEM CARRIES BY A VOTE OF SEVEN TO ONE.

HE PUSHED THE WRONG BUTTON.

SO QUICK HAND VOTE YES THAT CARRIES BY AN ITEM OR CARRIES BY A VOTE OF EIGHT TO ZERO.

I WAS THINKING BOY, MR. O'S REALLY HAVING AN OFF NIGHT TONIGHT.

ONE ABSTENTION AND ONE NO.

UH, OKAY, ITEM THREE,

[3. (RP) Public Hearing - Replat: Collin Creek Single Family, Blocks A-L & Collin Creek, Block M, Lot 1 - 402 single-family residence lots, 25 common area lots, and vacant lot on 100.0 acres located on the east side of Alma Drive, 548 feet north of Plano Parkway. Zoned Urban Mixed-Use-3. Project #R2023-011. Applicant: VM Fund I, LLC and MM CCM 48M, LLC (Administrative consideration)]

LOW BLOOD SUGAR.

AGENDA ITEM NUMBER THREE IS A REPLAT COLIN CREEK, SINGLE FAMILY BLOCKS A THROUGH L AND COLIN CREEK BLOCK M LOT ONE 402, SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENT LOTS, 25, COMMON AREA LOTS AND VACANT LOT ON 100 ACRES LOCATED ON THE EAST SIDE OF ALMA DRIVE.