* This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting. [00:00:02] SO NOW DECLARE THE P PLANO CITY COUNCIL IS RECONVENED AN OPEN SESSION THAT ALL MEMBERS ARE PRESENT. WE'LL BEGIN TONIGHT'S REGULAR MEETING WITH THE INVOCATION LED BY BOB KNOWLES, SENIOR PASTOR AT THE WILLOWEN CHURCH AND THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE AND TEXAS PLEDGE LED BY THE BOY SCOUT TROOP 2 59 WITH CHARTER ORGANIZATION, 12 POINT IMPACT AT ST. ELIZABETH ANN SETON CATHOLIC CHURCH. WOULD YOU ALL PLEASE RISE? YEAH. ALL RIGHT. LET'S PRAY. FATHER GOD, WE COME BEFORE YOU NOW, AND WE JUST HUMBLE OURSELVES BEFORE YOU, AND WE ASK YOUR GUIDANCE AND YOUR WISDOM ON ALL MATTERS THAT WILL BE COVERED TODAY. FATHER, SOMETIMES OUR ISSUES GET COMPLEX AND, UH, THEY'RE NOT EASY TO SORT OUT. AND SO, FATHER, I JUST PRAY, UM, THAT YOU WOULD GUIDE US, UH, BY YOUR SPIRIT, GOD, THAT, THAT THAT DISCUSSIONS CAN BE DONE WITH PATIENCE AND UNDERSTANDING AND GOD, THAT, UH, THAT DECISIONS WOULD BE SUCH THAT, THAT BRING ABOUT JUSTICE, BUT ALSO DO NOT, UH, LOSE SIGHT OF MERCY. AND SO, FATHER GOD, UM, UH, ALL OF US HERE WILL DO THE BEST THAT WE CAN, BUT WE SEEK YOU IN THESE MOMENTS. THANK YOU, GOD, FOR THIS CITY, FOR THE STATE AND, UH, THE OPPORTUNITY TO SERVE ONE ANOTHER. AND, UH, MAY YOUR SON JESUS, UM, BE AN EXAMPLE FOR US ALL ON HOW TO LOVE AND TO GIVE AND TO SACRIFICE. IT'S IN HIS NAME WE PRAY. AMEN. AMEN. ABSOLUTE. PLEASE JOIN ME IN THE TEXT OR IN THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE, I'M SORRY, I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS. ONE NATION, GOD INVISIBLE FOR ALL. PLEASE JOIN ME IN THE TEXAS PLEDGE, UNDER THE TEXAS FLAG. I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE ONE STATE TWO. BE SEATED. SEATED. YES. YOU GUYS HERE, COME ON. HOW WE CAN SQUEEZE OVER HERE. DO WE HAVE, CAN WE DO IT BY HERE? YES. IT'LL A LITTLE STRETCH. OKAY. YOU KNOW HOW THAT WORKS? YOU KNOW, THAT WORKS. OKAY. WELL, LOOK AT THESE GUYS. THEY'RE TALLER THAN ME, MAN. OKAY. I KNOW. I'M GONNA HAVE TO GET ON THE STOOL. EXCUSE ME. YEAH, EVERYBODY GET IN THERE. YOU'RE TOO CHANEL. YOU GOTTA COME UP FRONT. I, I, I SAY WHAT YOU'RE DOING. [00:05:03] THANK YOU GUYS. THANK YOU SO MUCH. APPRECIATE IT. WELL, SPEAKING OF BIG GROUPS, [Proclamation: National Volunteer Week is April 17 - 21 and we celebrate and acknowledge the generous contributions of our volunteers.] , [PROCLAMATIONS AND SPECIAL RECOGNITIONS] WE'RE THRILLED TO HAVE THE NATIONAL VOLUNTEER WEEK PROCLAMATION, AND I'D LIKE TO CALL, UH, KARINA SADLER, VOLUNTEER RESOURCE SUPERVISOR, MORGAN GREEN GRIFFIN, VOLUNTEER RESOURCE COORDINATOR, ANDREW FORTUNE, DIRECTOR OF POLICY AND GOVERNMENT RELATIONS. AND ALL OF YOU THAT ARE HERE TONIGHT, WE'RE INDEED PROUD OF YOU. HOLD ON JUST A SECOND. . I'M GONNA READ, I'M GONNA READ THE PROCLAMATION VERY QUICKLY, AND THEN WE'RE GONNA TAKE A BIG PICTURE. , THIS IS NATIONAL VOLUNTEER WEEK, WHEREAS VOLUNTEERS IN PLANO ENGAGES VOLUNTEERS, REPRESENTATIVE OF THE RICH DIVERSITY OF OUR COMMUNITY, FROM SCOUTS TO OLDER ADULTS, FROM LIFELONG RESIDENTS TO NEW RIVALS, ALL WHO PARTICIPATE IN SERVICE TO BETTER PLANO. AND WHEREAS VOLUNTEERS ENHANCED SERVICES PROVIDED TO CITY OF PLANO RESIDENTS AND EXTEND CAPACITY OF CITY DEPARTMENTS. AND WHEREAS SEVENTY FIVE HUNDRED AND TWENTY ONE DEDICATED VOLUNTEERS SERVE 67,000 HOURS WITH THE CITY OF PLANO IN 2022. AND WHEREAS VOLUNTEERS IN PLANO CELEBRATES THE 40TH ANNIVERSARY AND REMAINS A MODEL MUNICIPAL VOLUNTEER PROGRAM ACROSS THE COUNTRY, WHEREAS NATIONAL VOLUNTEER WEEK TAKES PLACE EACH YEAR TO CELEBRATE THE IMPACT OF VOLUNTEER SERVICE AND THE POWER OF VOLUNTEERS TO TACKLE SOCIETY'S GREAT, UH, CHALLENGES TO BUILD STRONGER COMMUNITIES AND BE A FORCE THAT TRANSFORMS THE WORLD. NOW, THEREFORE, I, JOHN MUNNS, MAYOR OF THE CITY OF PLANO, TEXAS, DO HEREBY PROCLAIM APRIL 17TH THROUGH THE 21ST 2023 AS NATIONAL VOLUNTEER WEEK IN PLANO. AND I ALSO EXTEND SPECIAL RECOGNITION TO ALL CITY OF PLANO VOLUNTEERS AND THE 40TH YEAR LEGACY OF VOLUNTEERS IN PLANO. I DO THEREFORE ENCOURAGE CITIZENS TO JOIN ME IN THE PLANO CITY COUNCIL IN HONORING AND THANKING ALL WHO VOLUNTEER, ESPECIALLY THE CITY OF EXCELLENCE. CONGRATULATIONS. THANK YOU ALL. THANK YOU ALL SO MUCH FOR BEING HERE. YOU COULD HEAR THE BUZZ AS WE JOINED YOU TONIGHT. UM, WE HAVE SOME AMAZING VOLUNTEERS. THOSE WITH US TONIGHT IN THE BLUE SHIRTS REPRESENT THAT 7,500, UH, DIFFERENT NEIGHBORS, FRIENDS FROM THE BUSINESS, COMMUNITY, FAITH ORGANIZATIONS, CIVIC CLUBS, UH, WHO CHOOSE TO SERVE. AND NOT EVERYBODY MAKES THAT CHOICE. UH, MORGAN AND I SEE THAT AT V I P EVERY DAY. THOSE WHO DO CALL US AND EMAIL US ARE MAKING A CHOICE TO SERVE THEIR CITY. AND FOR THAT, THANK YOU SO MUCH. THANK YOU. OKAY, SO HERE'S WHAT WE'RE GONNA DO. WE USUALLY TAKE THE PICTURE THIS WAY. WE'RE TAKING IT THAT WAY. SO EVERYBODY STAND UP. I AND YOU GUYS NEED TO COME, COME GET IN THE PICTURE. I, I SEE THE T-SHIRTS. YOU CAN'T, YOU CAN'T AVOID 'EM. , CAN YOU, CAN YOU GUYS? EITHER WAY. I MEAN, I, WE WE'RE GONNA GET YA LET'S GET, LET'S GET RIGHT HERE. OKAY. ARE Y'ALL IN? LET ME PUT THIS UP. DO YOU GUYS WANT TO COME IN? COME ON. NOPE. JUST LEAVE ME. HANG, COME ON, COME ON, COME ON. OKAY. ALRIGHTY. HEY, TEST SHOTS. MAKE SURE ALL THAT ALL WORK. THANK YOU SO MUCH. OKAY. SO THE P PLANO FIRE RESCUE HAS RECEIVED REACCREDITATION FROM THE COMMISSION ON THE FIRE ACCREDITATION INTERNATIONAL C F I C F I. RIGHT? AI. OKAY. THAT, THAT'S KIND OF A TONGUE TWISTER. SO WE HAVE OUR CHIEF, CHRIS, BIGGER STAFF, ASSISTANT CHIEF, JED MOBERLY, JEFF MOBERLY, BUDGET ANALYST, STEPHANIE SAILOR [00:10:01] AND BUDGET ANALYST, HEATHER SCHWAN. ONCE AGAIN, PLANO FIRE AND RESCUE HAS ONCE AGAIN EARNED RE-ACCREDITATION FROM C F A I. I WAS, I'M GONNA LET THE CHIEF SAY A FEW WORDS. THANK YOU. THE C F A I COMMISSIONED ON FIRE ACCREDITATION INTERNATIONAL IS THE GOLD STANDARD FOR ACCREDITATION IN THE FIRE SERVICE. AND SO SINCE 2001, PLANO FIRE RESCUE HAS, UH, HAD THAT ACCREDITATION. AND SO AFTER 22 YEARS OF DOING REACCREDITATION, YOU WOULD THINK IT WOULD GET EASIER AS YOU WENT ALONG, BUT THAT'S NOT THE CASE. THEY WOULD PROBABLY TACKLE ME IF I SAID IT WAS EASY. UM, BUT IT, IT DOESN'T GET EASIER BECAUSE IT'S, IT'S BASED ON CONSTANT IMPROVEMENT. AND SO IN ORDER TO GO THROUGH THE PROCESS, YOU, YOU, THEY LOOK AT YOU AND THEY SAY, ARE YOU, ARE YOU WHAT YOU SAY YOU ARE? AND THEY LOOK AT EVERY PIECE OF IT. AND THEN THEY ALSO LOOK FROM THE PAST FIVE YEARS, THAT'S HOW OFTEN YOU DO THE ACCREDITATION. THEY SAY, DID YOU MAKE THE IMPROVEMENTS THAT YOU SAID YOU WOULD? AND SO THERE'S JUST A, THERE'S A LOT OF TIME AND EFFORT THAT GOES INTO IT. I WAS GONNA TALK ABOUT THE NUMBER OF HOURS, BUT I COULDN'T TOP TO 67,000 HOURS THAT, UH, THAT OUR VOLUNTEERS HAD, UH, DONE. SO, UH, BUT IT'S A DEPARTMENT-WIDE, UH, PROJECT. BUT THIS TEAM RIGHT HERE, OR THEY'RE THE ONES WHO CARRIED THE WEIGHT, CARRIE, US ACROSS THE FINISH LINE. AND SO, UH, JUST WANT TO SAY THANK YOU TO THEM PUBLICLY, UH, FOR ALL THE WORK THAT, UH, THAT YOU'VE DONE TO GET US THERE. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. COME ON IN HERE. WE GOTTA TAKE PICTURES, YOU KNOW THAT. ALRIGHT. ALRIGHT. YES, SIR. COME ON GUYS. LISTEN. THANK YOU, MAYOR. THANKS. I APPRECIATE IT. AND FINALLY, I'D LIKE TO CALL FORWARD, UH, KAREN BELISA. DID I SAY IT RIGHT, KAREN? AND ISSUE THE OATH OF OFFICE FOR THE BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT. NOT TODAY. IT'S JUST YOU. HUH? YOU DID IT TOGETHER. I SERVED ON THE COMMUNITY. OH. COMMISSION. SO SHOUT OUT. WELL, WELCOME, WELCOME, AND WELCOME TO THE BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT. I'M GONNA, UH, READ THE OATH OF OFFICE FOR YOU. DO YOU SOLEMNLY SWEAR OR AFFIRM THAT YOU WILL FAITHFULLY EXECUTE THE DUTIES OF THE BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT OF THE CITY OF PLANO, STATE OF TEXAS, AND WILL TO THE BEST OF YOUR ABILITY, PRESERVE, PROTECT, AND DEFEND THE CONSTITUTION AND LAWS OF THE UNITED STATES AND OF THIS STATE AND THE CHARTER AND ORDINANCES OF THE CITY. AND YOU THEREFORE SOLEMNLY SWEAR THAT YOU HAVE NOT DIRECTLY OR INDIRECTLY PAID, OFFERED, OR PROMISED TO PAY, CONTRIBUTED NOR PROMISED TO CONTRIBUTE ANY MONEY OR VALUABLE THING OR PROMISED ANY PUBLIC OFFICE OR EMPLOYMENT AS A REOR, UH, AS A REWARD TO SECURE YOUR APPOINTMENT. SO HELP YOU GOD. I DO . THANK YOU. THAT'S A LOT TO ASK, RIGHT? THANK YOU. THANK, SO I DIDN'T, UH, WE DIDN'T GET THE OPPORTUNITY TO REMOVE A MI UH, AN ITEM ON THE CONSENT AGENDA, BUT I WILL MOVE. WE DON'T HAVE ANY COMMENTS OF PUBLIC INTEREST, [CONSENT AGENDA] SO I'LL MOVE ON TO THE CONSENT AGENDA. UM, AND WE'LL, WE'LL DO THAT, AND THEN WE'LL GO BACK TO THE, UH, THE REST OF THE P O M MOTION TO APPROVE THE CONSENT AGENDA AS PRESENTED. SECOND. YOU READY, LISA? OKAY. I HAVE A MOTION AS SECOND TO APPROVE THE CONSENT AGENDA. PLEASE VOTE. MOTION PASSES EIGHT TO ZERO. ALL RIGHT. WE'RE, WE'RE GONNA MOVE BACK TO, UH, ITEM FOUR ON THE PRELIMINARY OPEN MEETING AND CONTINUE THE DISCUSSION. UM, [00:15:03] COUNCIL MEMBER RICK DELI, I THINK YOU HAD A, A QUESTION AND A COMMENT, AND THEN I'LL GET TO YOU. COUNCILMAN GRADY. THANK YOU. THANK YOU, MAYOR. UH, UH, SO, OH, THANK YOU. UM, SO FIRST OF ALL, UH, COMMISSIONERS, UH, CHAIRMAN SINGH, I JUST WANNA THANK YOU FOR THE, UH, THE WORK THAT YOU AND THE CRC DO. UH, I KNOW YOU GET A LOT OF APPLICATIONS AND PUT A TON OF WORK INTO REVIEWING THEM AND GETTING RESOURCES TO EXCELLENT NONPROFITS TO SERVE THE PLANO COMMUNITY. SO I THINK Y'ALL ARE DOING A GREAT JOB OF THAT. UM, SIMILAR TO, UH, SOME OF THE POINTS THAT DEPUTY MAYOR PRO TEM TWO RAISED, UM, SOME OF THE QUESTIONS IN THE RUBRIC, AND I DON'T KNOW IF THIS IS INTENDED, BUT SOME OF THEM READ ALMOST AS IF THIS WAS IN PART A WRITING COMPETITION OR A PUBLIC SPEAKING COMPETITION. UH, YOU KNOW, AND AS A, A FORMER HIGH SCHOOL DEBATER IN OUR PLANO SCHOOLS, I CAN CERTAINLY APPRECIATE, YOU KNOW, A GOOD PUBLIC SPEAKING COMPETITION, UM, YOU KNOW, MOOT COURT THAT, YOU KNOW, YOU WRITE A BRIEF AND GET GRADED ON THAT ORAL ARGUMENT, GET GRADED ON THAT. BUT I, I DON'T THINK THAT'S REALLY WHAT Y'ALL ARE GOING FOR, BUT IT KIND OF COMES ACROSS THAT WAY FROM THE QUESTIONS I ASSUME. AND I, AND, AND I HOPE, AND I BELIEVE THIS IS THE CASE, THAT Y'ALL ARE LOOKING FOR ORGANIZATIONS THAT HAVE EXCELLENCE IN SUBSTANTIVELY DELIVERING SERVICES TO THOSE WHO NEED THEM. YOU KNOW, NOT JUST THOSE WHO DID THE BEST IN THE APPLICATION PROCESS. OBVIOUSLY THE APPLICATION PROCESS IS HOW YOU GET THE INFORMATION THAT ENABLES YOU TO DETERMINE, UM, YOU KNOW, UH, WHO IS BEST SERVING PLANO RESIDENTS. BUT, YOU KNOW, I ASSUME IF, YOU KNOW, IF, IF THE CONTENT OF AN APPLICATION BLOWS YOU AWAY, YOU KNOW, BUT THE GRAMMAR'S NOT GOOD. THERE'S A RUN ON SENTENCE, YOU KNOW, UM, THAT'S NOT WHAT Y'ALL ARE, ARE, ARE LOOKING AT. AND I GUESS, UM, YOU KNOW, SOME OF THE, SOME OF THE QUESTIONS THAT I WOULD HIGHLIGHT THAT, THAT, THAT MAY BE GIVING ORGANIZATIONS THAT, UH, THAT IMPRESSION, UH, I, YOU KNOW, WE, WE GOT THE RUBRIC AND I WENT THROUGH AND HIGHLIGHTED SOME THINGS. YOU KNOW, THE FIRST ONE OBVIOUSLY SAYS APPLICATION QUALITY, YOU KNOW, WHICH WAS 10 POINTS. AND THEN I NOTED THAT, YOU KNOW, QUESTION FOUR, ABILITY TO SERVE PLANO RESIDENTS, WHICH REALLY IS WHAT IT'S ALL ABOUT, RIGHT? WHO, WHO'S SURE BEST SERVING PLANO RESIDENTS IS LISTED AS ONLY BEING WORTH FIVE POINTS, YOU KNOW, WHICH IS LESS THAN THE QUALITY OF THE APPLICATION ITSELF. THEN IF YOU LOOK AT SEVEN, YOU KNOW, DID THE SPEAKER EFFECTIVELY ANSWER THE PUBLIC HEARING QUESTIONS IN THE ALLOTTED TIME? THAT'S FIVE POINTS. NUMBER EIGHT, WAS THE SPEAKER ABLE TO EFFECTIVELY ANSWER STAFF QUESTIONS IN THE ALLOTTED TIME? ALSO, FIVE POINTS WAS THE SPEAK. NUMBER 10, WAS THE SPEAKER ABLE TO CLEARLY ANSWER COMMISSION QUESTIONS? UH, THAT'S FIVE POINTS, YOU KNOW, WAS THE SPEAKER KNOWLEDGEABLE? THAT'S NUMBER 11. THAT'S FIVE POINTS. AND NUMBER 12, DID THE PUBLIC PRESENTATION CONTENT MATCH OR ENHANCE THE CONTENT PRESENTED IN THE WRITTEN APPLICATION? UH, THAT'S FIVE POINTS AS WELL. AND, AND, AND, YOU KNOW, I'M ASSUMING, ESPECIALLY CAUSE I'VE, YOU KNOW, Y'ALL HAVE BEEN MAKING RECOMMENDATIONS TO US FOR, YOU KNOW, FOR ALL THE YEARS I'VE BEEN ON COUNCIL, I, I KNOW WHAT Y'ALL ARE REALLY LOOKING FOR IS THE ORGANIZATIONS THAT ARE MAKING THE BIGGEST IMPACT IN THE PLANO COMMUNITY TO, TO DO, YOU KNOW, THESE VALUABLE SOCIAL SERVICES IN THE COMMUNITY. BUT READING, READING THIS APPLICATION, IF I WAS, YOU KNOW, TO MAYOR PROTE, PRINCE'S, YOU KNOW, QUESTION ABOUT POTENTIALLY A NEW APPLICANT THINKING, IS THIS A PROCESS THAT I WANT TO GET INVOLVED IN? I MIGHT THINK THAT IT'S ALMOST, UH, FORM OVER SUBSTANCE. SO I JUST WANTED TO, TO HIGHLIGHT THAT, YOU KNOW, TO, MAYBE THERE'S A WAY TO SAY, YOU KNOW, YOUR APPLICATION AND YOUR, YOUR, UH, PUBLIC HEARING PRESENTATION ARE HOW WE'RE DETERMINING WHO'S DELIVERING THE BEST, UH, SERVICES TO PLANO RESIDENTS, BUT NOT HAVE SO MANY QUESTIONS THAT FOCUS ON, YOU KNOW, HOW WELL DID YOU DO AT WRITING AND SPEAKING, AND MAYBE QUESTIONS THAT, THAT, THAT REALLY DIG DOWN TO THE MEAT OF, YOU KNOW, WHO'S DOING THE BEST JOB, YOU KNOW, AS REFLECTED IN THE APPLICATION AND THE PRESENTATION, WHO'S DOING THE BEST JOB OF SERVING PLANO RESIDENTS? SO ANYWAY, THAT JUST, THAT'S WHAT JUMPED OUT AT ME FROM READING IT. AND, YOU KNOW, I THINK THAT MIGHT ENHANCE, UH, UNDERSTANDING OF WHAT Y'ALL ARE REALLY LOOKING FOR AND WHAT YOU'RE REALLY EVALUATING. AND SO I WANT TO END WHERE I STARTED, WHICH IS THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR THE INCREDIBLY VALUABLE WORK THAT Y'ALL DO AND THE HOURS AND HOURS Y'ALL PUT IN ON THIS. SURE. SO, AND, AND JUST TO, JUST TO ASSURE YOU, THERE IS, UH, I WANT THERE TO BE NO DOUBT THAT THERE IS NO PREPONDERANCE, UH, SELF IMPORTANCE IN THE WAY THAT WE STRUCTURE A SCORING SYSTEM. AND, UM, AND JUST TO BE CLEAR, BUT, BUT WE, WE, WE, I DEFINITELY EMPATHIZE WITH HOW THE FEEDBACK THAT WE CAN WORK ON THE COPY, THE DICTION OF HOW WE, UM, WORD THESE CRITERIA. BUT, UM, I ALSO WANNA ASSURE YOU THAT, UM, THIS IS WHAT YOU SEE UP TOP IS REALLY JUST A, A STREAMLINE FOR VERSION, THE HEADLINES OF THE CATEGORIES, THE, THE OVERALL RUBRIC THAT GETS SENT OUT TO THE, TO THE, UH, UH, ORGANIZATION'S APPLICANTS. THEY [00:20:01] DO HAVE THE SUBTEXT, THEY HAVE GENERAL SUBTEXT THAT'S INCLUDED IN THE MEMORANDUM DIS DISTRIBUTED BY LORI. PREVIOUSLY. THIS MEETING, THERE IS A MORE OF AN EXPLANATION, MORE OF A CONTEXT OF WHAT WE'RE LOOKING FOR. UM, BUT AGAIN, TO TO TO THE WISE WORDS OF CHARLIE MUNGER, UM, SOMETIMES IT'S, UH, YOU INCENTIVE DRIVES DESIRE, BEHAVIOR. AND AS I EXPLAINED PREVIOUSLY, WE REALLY HAVE, AS A C R C, WE HAVE TWO TOUCHPOINTS WITH THESE ORGANIZATIONS. THE WRITTEN APPLICATION AND THE PUBLIC MEETINGS, PUBLIC PRESENTATIONS WERE THE APPLICANTS COME IN, IN FRONT OF US AND REALLY TO INCENTIVIZE FOR THEM TO COME. WE PUT A WAITING SCORE SCORING SYSTEM ON HOW THEY PRESENT. BUT AGAIN, WE, I WILL CERTAINLY TAKE THE FEEDBACK BACK TO OUR COMMISSION THAT WE CAN BETTER WORD AND BETTER MESSAGE WHAT WE'RE GOING AFTER. WELL, THANK YOU FOR BEING OPEN TO THAT FEEDBACK, AND I CERTAINLY UNDERSTAND THE NEED TO COMMUNICATE THE VITAL IMPORTANCE OF, OF APPLICANTS PUTTING THEIR BEST FOOT FORWARD IN BOTH THE WRITTEN APPLICATION AND THE PRESENTATION, BECAUSE THAT'S ALL THE INFORMATION THAT YOU GUYS HAVE. UH, THE ONLY OTHER THING THAT I WANTED TO, TO ASK YOU ABOUT WAS, YOU KNOW, I, I'VE BEEN INVOLVED IN JUDGING USING RUBRICS, AND SOMETIMES, YOU KNOW, YOU SAY, OKAY, FOUR OUTTA FIVE ON THIS, EIGHT OUTTA 10 ON THAT, YOU KNOW, AND YOU ADDED UP AND AT THE END YOU THINK, YOU KNOW, WAIT A MINUTE, THI THIS ONE ADDED UP TO MORE THAN THAT ONE. BUT I RE I REALLY, I REALLY THINK THAT ONE WAS ACTUALLY BETTER OR MORE VALUABLE. I GUESS A TWO-PART QUESTION THERE, HAVE YOU HAD THAT EXPERIENCE ON THE CRC? AND, AND THEN SECONDLY, IF YOU HAVE, WHAT DO Y'ALL DO ABOUT THAT, YOU KNOW, IF, IF AFTER, YOU KNOW, KIND OF COM COMPARTMENTALIZING IT INTO ALL OF THESE, YOU KNOW, COMPARTMENTALIZED SCORES, IF YOU'RE LIKE, WAIT, THAT DIDN'T YIELD THE RESULT THAT, THAT INTUITIVELY I THOUGHT IT SHOULD. WELL, CERTAINLY FROM A, UM, FROM A PERSONAL SENTIMENT BASIS, THERE'S CERTAINLY, THERE'S GONNA BE TIMES WHERE I, UM, A ORGANIZATION APPLICANT THAT I SCORED HIGHER AVERAGE TO A LOWER SCORE ON BEHALF OF COMMISSION. UM, AND SO THAT, THAT CERTAINLY HAPPENS. AND, BUT I WILL SAY THAT WE, IN OUR DELIBERATIONS AND DISCUSSION AMONGST THE COMMISSIONERS, EACH YEAR AS WE REVIEW THIS PROCESS, WE ARE, UH, BASICALLY, UM, WE'RE PRIORITIZING THE INTEGRITY OF THE PROCESS, BEING ABLE TO SAY, HEY, THIS IS, WE'RE GONNA OUTLINE IN FRONT OF THE ORGANIZATION AHEAD OF THE PROCESS THAT THIS IS THE, THIS IS THE MECHANISM BY WHICH WE ARE GOING TO MAKE THE RECOMMENDATION TO CITY COUNCIL FOR THE, UH, GRANT PROCEEDS. NOW, IF IT'S THE MANDATE AND THE FEEDBACK FROM THE COUNCIL THAT WE SHOULD TAKE MORE OF A DIRECT APPROACH, WE, WE CAN CERTAINLY EVALUATE THAT. UM, AS I MENTIONED PREVIOUS, PREVIOUSLY 2018, UM, CRC SIMPLY EVALUATED THE WRITTEN APPLICATION, HAD THE PUBLIC HEARINGS AND PUBLIC PRESENTATIONS OF THE APPLICANTS, AND THEY GOT TOGETHER IN A ROOM AND THEY SIMPLY NEGOTIATED AND DISCUSSED THE DOLLAR AMOUNTS TO BE REWARDED. AND THERE, THERE IS CER CERTAINLY POSITIVES TO THAT PROCESS. SO WE'RE CERTAINLY OPEN FEEDBACK, CERTAINLY WILL, AND I, I APPRECIATE THE ATTENTION TO, YOU KNOW, TO, TO DOING THIS IN A, IN AN IMPARTIAL WAY. AND I'M NOT NECESSARILY SAYING THAT SHOULD CHANGE. I JUST WONDERED, YOU KNOW, IF, YOU KNOW, IF THERE WERE EVER CIRCUMSTANCES WHERE THE CRC MEMBERS FELT LIKE, LIKE THERE, THERE WAS TOO HIGH OF A LEVEL OF, I GUESS, RIGIDITY, YOU KNOW, IN THE NUMERICAL SCORES VERSUS Y YOU KNOW, THINGS THAT MAY NOT BE CAPTURED IN, IN THOSE CATEGORIES. I JUST WANTED TO HIGHLIGHT THAT FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION. BUT AGAIN, I JUST WANNA SAY THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR THE EXTREMELY IMPORTANT WORK Y'ALL ARE DOING IN THE COMMUNITY AND FOR THE HOURS AND HOURS THAT Y'ALL DEDICATE, UH, TO THIS AS, AS COMMUNITY VOLUNTEERS. SO THANK YOU YOU COUNCIL MEMBER GRADY, IF I MAY, I'D LIKE COUNCIL MEMBER WILLIAMS, AND THEN I'LL HAVE MY OWN QUESTIONS. ALRIGHT, COUNCIL MEMBER WILLIAMS. WELL, THANK YOU AND, UH, THANK YOU CHAIRMAN SINGH. AND, UH, FOR THE RECORD, I THINK YOU'RE DOING A CREDIBLE JOB OF PUBLIC SPEAKING. UM, SO, UH, MY QUESTION TOUCHES ON WHAT BOTH DEPUTY MAYOR PRO TIM COUNCILMAN RICK ELLI, UH, SAID FOR, SO IT SEEMS VERY HEAVILY WEIGHTED TOWARD THE WRITTEN PORTION, BUT I UNDERSTAND YOU'RE TRYING TO GET AT THE ACTUAL, UM, MEET THE ACTUAL UNDERSTANDING OF WHAT THIS ORGANIZATION CAN DO. BUT, UM, ARE YOU, AND HAVE YOU, CAN YOU, I SHOULD SAY DURING THE PUBLIC HEARING, ADJUST THE WRITTEN SCORE BASED ON INFORMATION THAT COMES TO LIGHT IN THE PUBLIC HEARING? SO TO PRESENT, TO COME UP WITH A HYPOTHETICAL EXAMPLE, UH, THE FINANCIAL, UH, ABILITY OR FINANCIAL STATUS OF THE ORGANIZATION IS WORTH 15 POINTS IN THE WRITTEN PORTION. UM, SO IF MAYBE THEY DIDN'T UNDERSTAND THE RUBRIC WELL, OR THEY DIDN'T THINK, OR THEY ANSWERED A QUESTION THAT WASN'T ASKED, OR THEY OMITTED A PIECE OF INFORMATION THAT CAME TO LIGHT IN THE PUBLIC HEARING, SO THEY DIDN'T SCORE AS WELL DURING THE WRITTEN PORTION, BUT DURING THE PUBLIC HEARING, YOU'RE LIKE, OH, WELL I WISH I'D KNOWN THAT IN THE WRITTEN PORTION. CAN YOU GO BACK AND ADJUST THOSE SCORES TO REFLECT THAT INFORMATION? [00:25:01] SO THE SHORT ANSWER IS THAT WE HAVE NOT DONE THAT. OKAY. BUT ALSO TO YOUR POINT, WE HAVE, UH, COMMISSION MEMBERS HAVE BROUGHT UP THE EXACT POINT. YOU BROUGHT UP, WHAT IF IN A SITUATION WE DISCOVERED THINGS IN THE PUBLIC PRESENTATION THAT IS DIFFERENT FROM WHAT WE READ IN THE WRITTEN APPLICATION. AND ONE ADJUSTMENT THAT WE MADE OVER THE COURSE OF THESE PAST TWO YEARS IS IF YOU LOOK AT THE RUBRIC CRITERIA FOR PUBLIC HEARING, UM, THERE IS FIVE POINTS REWARDED ON THE BASIS BASIS OF DID THE PUBLIC PRESENTATION CONTENT MATTER OR ENHANCE THE APPLICATION CONTENT? SO THAT IS A, UH, A VALUE SYSTEM TO SAY, HEY, UH, IF WE DISCOVERED THINGS, UH, IN THE PUBLIC HEARING THAT IS IN CONTRADICTION TO WHAT WE RE REVIEWED IN THE WRITTEN APPLICATION, THEN THAT SHOULD WARRANT THE LOWER SCORE OF THOSE FIVE POINTS. AND TO, TO, TO YOUR POINT ABOUT THE WRITTEN APPLICATION THINGS WE DISCOVER, OUR, OUR PHILOSOPHY AND OUR DISCUSSION CONCLUSION HAS BEEN, HEY, WE WANT THE ORGANIZATION TO PUT THE BEST FOOT FORWARD ON THE WRITTEN APPLICATION. IT SEEMS A LITTLE BIT UNFAIR TO THE INTENT OF EQUAL ACCESS TO A FAIR PROCESS. WE WERE TO ALLOW FOR CERTAIN ORGANIZATIONS TO COME TO THE PUBLIC HEARING AND SAY, HEY, HEY, HEY, WAIT, LET'S, UH, WE DIDN'T SPEND ENOUGH TIME ON THE WRITTEN APPLICATION. LET'S REVISE THE PRESENTED DUE DILIGENCE DOCUMENTS OR THE FACTS THAT WAS, UH, PRESENTED IN THE WRITTEN APPLICATION. SO THAT IS KIND OF THE ISSUE THAT WE'RE TRYING TO ENGINEER AWAY WITH OUR PROCESS AND OUR HEARING STUDENT INTEGRITY PROCESS WITH THE WRITTEN APPLICATION. OKAY. THAT'S FAIR. AND I WAS THINKING MORE SO NOT WHERE THERE'S A CONFLICT OF INFORMATION PRESENTED IN THE PUBLIC HEARING VERSUS THE WRITTEN APPLICATION, BUT WHERE SOMETHING ADDITIONAL COMES TO LIGHT. UM, HAVE, OH, GO AHEAD. I'M SORRY. YES. AND, AND THAT'S, IF IT'S SOMETHING ADDITIONAL AND, UM, I I, WE FEEL THAT AGAIN TO, UH, ACKNOWLEDGE THE FEEDBACK FROM, UM, UM, COUNCIL MEMBER ELLI, WE CAN DO A BETTER JOB WITH THE COPY AND DICTION OF HOW WE PRESENT THE CRITERIA FOR THE PUBLIC HEARING, BUT THAT A LOT OF THAT CRITERIA IS MEANT TO AWARD ORGANIZATIONS FOR AN ENHANCING WRITTEN APPLICATION. OKAY. YES. AND TO YOUR GOAL OF TRYING TO GET PEOPLE TO COME TO THE PUBLIC HEARING, HAVE YOU CONSIDERED WEIGHTING THE PUBLIC HEARING PORTION A LITTLE MORE HEAVILY THAN IT IS CURRENTLY? WE, WE HAVE CONSIDERED THAT WE, AND, AND THAT'S, AGAIN, THAT'S SOMETHING THAT'S, UH, UM, DELIBERATED ON EVERY YEAR. BUT I CAN SHARE WITH YOU, IN THE PAST FIVE YEARS SINCE THE RUBRIC HAS BEEN ADOPTED, THE WRITTEN APPLICATION HAS MORE WEIGHTED BECAUSE AGAIN, WE WANTED, UH, WE FEEL THAT THE, UH, THE COMPETENCY AND THE FINANCIAL WHEREWITHAL ORGANIZATION IS STATIC AT THAT POINT IN TIME. IT SHOULDN'T CHANGE BASED ON THE PRESENTATION AND THE ABILITY OF A, OF THE PUBLIC SPEAKER. AND THAT'S, THAT'S COMING FROM SOMEONE WHO'S NOT A NATURAL PUBLIC SPEAKER. SO I CAN COMPLETELY EMPATHIZE WITH THAT, WITH THAT SENTIMENT OF OUR COMMISSION, BUT THAT'S, THAT'S WHY HISTORICALLY WE WAITED THE WRITTEN APPLICATION MORE THAN THE PUBLIC HEARING. OKAY. WELL, STILL DOING YOUR CREDIBLE JOB, AND THANK YOU, CHAIRMAN. THANK YOU FOR SERVICE COUNCIL MEMBER GRADY. THANK YOU. UM, I JUST HAD A FEW QUESTIONS I WANTED TO MAKE SURE, BECAUSE I HAD SOME OF THE SAME ISSUES WITH THE RUBRIC AND I'LL, I'LL MENTION THEM IN A MINUTE. BUT IT SPECIFICALLY SAYS IN THE DOCUMENT, UM, THAT THE APPLICATION PROCESS AND WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO ACHIEVE, UM, IS THAT THE APPLICATION IS CONSISTENT WITH THE CITY'S CONSOLIDATED PLAN ON HOUSING AND COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT NEEDS. UM, HAVE YOU READ THAT PLAN, WHICH THE, THE CONSOLIDATED PLAN FOR THE CITY? NOT RECENTLY, BUT I HAVE. OKAY. HAVE THE OTHER, HAVE THE OTHER, UM, UH, COMMISSIONERS READ THAT PLAN? THAT HASN'T BEEN, WE HAVE BEEN, UH, AS PART OF THE TRAINING THAT, UM, PLAN HAS BEEN REVIEWED WITH THE COMMISSION. OKAY, BECAUSE I WAS JUST WONDERING, I HAVE THE PLAN HERE. IT'S 266 PAGES LONG. UM, SO ENJOY THE READING. IT'S, UH, IT'S A VERY THOROUGH DOCUMENT, UM, BUT IT'S EXTREMELY DETAILED AND VERY THICK. THE CONCERN THAT I HAVE IS THAT AN APPLICANT THAT IS GOING TO APPLY FOR THIS, THERE'S NO LINK ON THE SITE ON THIS APPLICATION PROCESS TO FIND THIS DOCUMENT. UM, I HAD TO SEARCH FOR IT MYSELF BECAUSE IN THE APPLICATION ITSELF, AS IT EXISTS ON THE WEBSITE, THERE IS NO WAY THAT I CAN, AS AN APPLICANT FIND THIS PARTICULAR DOCUMENT. AND IT SAYS THAT YOUR APPLICATION IS BASED ON THIS DOCUMENT FOR WHICH THE COMMISSIONERS ARE GOING TO WEIGH WHETHER OR NOT YOUR APPLICATION FULFILLS THE NEED OF THE CONSOLIDATED PLAN AND THE ANNUAL ACTION PLAN, UM, WHICH IS ANOTHER 58 PAGES ADDED ONTO THAT PIECE OF READING. UM, AND SO IF IT'S, THE CONCERN THAT I HAVE IS THAT IF THEY CAN'T FIND THESE DOCUMENTS, THEY CAN'T FILL OUT THE APPLICATION CORRECTLY SO THEY CAN BE EVALUATED CORRECTLY SO THAT IT FULFILLS THE REQUIREMENTS THAT THE CITY NEEDS. AND SO THAT'S, THAT'S THE, THE FIRST CONCERN THAT I SAW WITHIN THE DOCUMENT. UM, AND SO I WANTED TO PASS THAT [00:30:01] ON SO THAT, YOU KNOW, WHERE I WAS COMING FROM AS FAR AS, UH, UH, A CONCERN, UH, WITH THE, WITH THE PROCESS IN AND OF ITSELF. UM, THE OTHER THING THAT I WANTED TO TOUCH ON AND, AND MANY OF THE, UH, COUNCIL MEMBERS MY PEERS HAVE TOUCHED ON THAT CERTAINLY HAS BEEN THE, UM, THE RUBRIC ITSELF. AND THE RUBRIC BASICALLY SAYS, UM, AS, AS HAS BEEN DISCUSSED, MOST OF IT IS ON THE WRITTEN APPLICATION. AND THEN A, A ANOTHER SIGNIFICANT PORTION ON IT IS THE PRESENTATION. UM, A LOT OF THESE, UH, NON-PROFITS ARE EXTREMELY GOOD AT DELIVERING SERVICES INTO THE COMMUNITY. THEY HAVE A HEART IN THE COMMUNITY. THEY KNOW WHAT'S HAPPENING. THEY KNOW WHAT'S HAPPENING TO THE PEOPLE THAT THEY SERVE AND, AND HOW THEY, HOW THEY NEED TO PROVIDE THOSE SERVICES. THEY MAY NOT BE THE GREATEST PERFORMER IN THE WORLD, UM, AND THEY MAY NOT BE THE GREATEST AUTHOR IN THE WORLD. UM, AND SO THE CAUTION THAT I HAVE IS, IS THAT IF IT IS STRICTLY ON HOW WELL THEY WROTE A DOCUMENT OR HOW WELL THEY PERFORMED IN FRONT OF YOU, OR HOW WELL THEY ANSWERED YOUR QUESTION OR THE STAFF'S QUESTION IN A SUBJECTIVE MANNER, UM, DOESN'T MEAN THAT THEY'RE, THEY'RE UNABLE TO DELIVER THOSE SERVICES IN THE COMMUNITY WHERE THEY CAN REALLY DELIVER THE SERVICES IN THE COMMUNITY, BUT THEY'RE NOT A GREAT PUBLIC SPEAKER AND THEY'RE NOT A GREAT WRITER. UM, AND SO I, I THINK THAT NEEDS TO BE TAKEN INTO CONSIDERATION, ESPECIALLY AS, UH, COUNCIL MEMBER RICK ELLI POINTED OUT THAT QUESTION NUMBER FOUR IS THE ABILITY TO SERVE PLANO RESIDENTS, WHICH SHOULD BE THE KEY TO EVERYTHING THAT WE'RE DOING, IS ONLY FIVE POINTS OUT OF A HUNDRED. UM, AND SO I I, I LOOKED AT THAT AND CIRCLED THAT ONE, AND I CIRCLED ALSO NUMBER 14, WHICH IS THE CONSOLIDATED PLAN OUTCOMES ARE WE DELIVERING TO THE CONSOLIDATED PLAN OUTCOMES? UM, AND SO WHAT I DID IS I WENT THROUGH, AND I, I ACTUALLY DID READ THIS BY THE WAY, UM, AND I MADE SOME NOTES WITHIN THE ANNUAL ACTION PLAN, WHICH I THOUGHT WERE, UM, OF IMPORTANCE. AND I WANTED TO POINT THAT OUT TO YOU AS WELL, YOU AND, AND THE STAFF SO THAT YOU KNEW, UM, WHERE MY THOUGHTS WERE. UM, PRIMARILY THERE ARE SEVEN GOALS WITHIN THE ANNUAL ACTION PLAN, WHICH SYNCS WITH THE CONSOLIDATED PLAN. UM, AND THEY'RE DEFINED FAIRLY, FAIRLY SPECIFICALLY, UM, HOUSING REHABILITATION, HOME OWNERSHIP, SUPPLY OF UNITS, UM, HOMELESSNESS PREVENTION, HOMELESSNESS, SHELTERING SERVICES, PUBLIC SERVICES AND SPECIAL NEEDS, AND THEN FINALLY, GRANT ADMINISTRATION. UM, AND SO, SO I WANTED TO DIG THROUGH THAT JUST A LITTLE BIT FROM THE STANDPOINT THAT IF I WAS TO TAKE A LOOK AT THE ANNUAL ACTION PLAN, WHICH IS HOW WELL WE'VE DONE SO FAR, UM, WE ARE NOW IN THE 20 TO 24, UM, CONSOLIDATED PLAN IN YEAR THREE. UM, WE'VE ALREADY PASSED 20, 21 AND 22, SO WE'VE ENTERED ACTUALLY, I GUESS YEAR FOUR, YOU COULD COUNT AS YEAR FOUR. BUT THEN WE'RE NOT THAT DEEP INTO IT. UM, WE'VE HAD SOME, WHAT I WOULD CALL ACCOMPLISHMENTS, BUT I DON'T KNOW IF WE'RE GETTING TO THE GOALS THAT WE'VE ACTUALLY SET UP. AND SO THE CONCERN THAT I HAVE IS, IS ARE WE GETTING THE RIGHT DOLLARS TO THE RIGHT PEOPLE TO ACCOMPLISH THE GOALS, UM, AS WE TALK ABOUT THE RUBRIC AND BEING ABLE FOR IT TO SATISFY, UH, WHAT, WHAT OUR NEEDS ARE. SO WHEN I START TAKING A LOOK AT SOME OTHER THINGS THAT I THINK ARE IMPORTANT TO UNDERSTAND IS WHEN WE ADMINISTER THE PLAN, UM, WE ACTUALLY, IN THE COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT BLOCK GRANTS ARE, AS WE ALL A ACRONYMICALLY SAY, CDBG FUNDS, UM, WE HAVE THE ABILITY TO MAXIMIZE, UH, WHAT I CALL A CARVE OFF OF THAT OF 20%. AND THAT IS USED FOR GRANT ADMINISTRATION. UM, THAT ADDS UP TO ABOUT $285,000 SOMEWHERE IN THERE. IN, IF YOU LOOK AT THE OTHER SIX GOAL AREAS THAT WE'RE WORKING ON TO ACHIEVE, WE'VE REALLY ONLY IN THE PAST COUPLE OF YEARS LENT OUT DOLLARS TO FIVE DIFFERENT ORGANIZATIONS. AND IF YOU ADD UP THE CDBG FUNDS THAT WE PUT OUT TO THOSE FIVE DIFFERENT ORGANIZATIONS, IT CAME UP TO $272,000. SO I AM SITTING HERE THINKING WE'RE, WE'RE ADMINISTERING USING $285,000 TO ADMINISTER FIVE GRANTS FOR A TOTAL OF $272,000 OTHER THAN OUR OWN WORK INTERNALLY. SO HOUSING REHAB, WE DO INTERNALLY, AND IT, AND IT SAYS SPECIFICALLY IN A DOCUMENT THAT WE DO, THAT HOUSING REHAB IS ALL, ALL ADMINISTERED THROUGH 7 77 EAST 15TH, WHICH IS [00:35:01] ONE OF OUR BUILDINGS RIGHT DOWN THE STREET. SO THE CONCERN THAT I HAVE WHEN WE ADMINISTER CDBG FUNDS IS GETTING MONEY OUT INTO THE COMMUNITY. AND IF WE'RE USING 285 OR 282,000 TO ADMINISTER 270 2005 GRANTS, I WONDER HOW MUCH WE'RE GETTING OUT THE STREET. SEE WHERE I'M GOING WITH THAT? YES. AND, UH, IN RESPONSE FOR A BIG PART, YOU KNOW, WE, WE MIRROR YOUR SENTIMENTS AND PERHAPS, UH, YOU KNOW, YOUR CONCERNS ABOUT THE ALLOCATION OF CDBG AND HOME FUNDS, UM, FROM, FROM PERSONAL EXPERIENCE AND OBSERVATION. I THINK A BIG PART OF THAT IS TOP OF THE FUNNEL ISSUE. THERE'S NOT VERY MANY APPLICANTS THAT COME TO THE CITY FOR, UH, THE CDBG FUNDS AND THE HOME FUNDS FOR VERY REASONS. AND ONE REASON THAT'S BEEN SHARED BY ME TO ME, BY MANY OF THE ORGANIZATIONS IS SIMPLY, UM, THE, THE RESTRICTIONS OF THE FEDERAL REQUIREMENTS OF THOSE FUNDS ARE, UM, PROHIBITED FOR THEM TO UTILIZE THOSE FUNDS OR NOT WORTHWHILE. SO I, I DON'T HAVE A SOLUTION. I'M OPEN TO A SOLUTION, BUT I DEFINITELY, UM, EMPATHIZE WITH THE PROBLEM THAT YOU'VE IDENTIFIED WITH THOSE FUNDS. OKAY. AND I, AND I THINK I'M GLAD THAT YOU MENTIONED THAT BECAUSE I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT FOR US TO REACH OUT IN THE COMMUNITY AND FIND PEOPLE THAT CAN USE THOSE FUNDS. UM, I, I THINK THAT OUR STAFF, UM, BETTER UTILIZATION SOMETIMES IS NOT DOING HOUSING REHAB. I MEAN, I'M GONNA BE REAL HONEST. UM, LOTS OF OTHER THINGS, A LOT OF IMPORTANT THINGS THAT NEED TO BE DONE. WE DON'T NEED TO BE A HOUSING REHAB GENERAL, PRE, UH, GENERAL, UH, CONTRACTOR. AND, AND SO I, I'M A LITTLE BIT CONCERNED ABOUT THAT. SO THOSE, THOSE ARE MY MAJOR CONCERNS IS THE RUBRIC ITSELF, 90% OF IT DOESN'T ADDRESS WHAT I SAY IS GETTING DOLLARS OUT ON THE STREET AND BOOTS ON THE GROUND. UM, AND THEN THE FUNDING. SO THAT'S, THOSE ARE THE MY POINTS. I KNOW THAT THE, THE, UM, COUNCIL MEMBERS BROUGHT UP OTHERS, UM, I, I TOTALLY AGREE WITH THEM, UM, THAT WE'RE NOT REALLY LOOKING AT THE TRUE DELIVERABLE SUBSTANCE, UM, WHICH IS HOW MUCH ARE WE ACTUALLY DOING FOR THE PEOPLE THAT ARE OUT THERE IN THE COMMUNITY? I UNDERSTAND WHAT'S HAPPENING WITH THE CDBG AND THE HOME FUNDS AND HOW IT HAS SOME RESTRICTIONS TO IT. I THINK WE NEED TO REALLY TAKE A LOOK AT THAT. SURE. UM, AND FROM A COMMISSION STANDPOINT, THAT WILL BE A CHARGE THAT I WOULD GIVE YOU, IS WE NEED TO REALLY TAKE A LOOK AT THAT BECAUSE IF OUR DRIVE, IF OUR GUIDE IS THIS CONSOLIDATED PLAN AND THE ANNUAL ACTION PLAN, AND WE EXPECT THE PEOPLE THAT ARE APPLYING FOR THIS TO READ THESE TWO DOCUMENTS AND UNDERSTAND THEM SO THAT WE CAN GRADE THEM ON THEIR, THEIR APPLICATIONS ON HOW WELL THEY'RE DOING THE DELIVERY, AND THEN WE TAKE A LOOK AT THE SCORE THAT'S IN THEIR ANNUAL ACTION PLAN ON HOW WELL WE'VE DONE IN THE PAST THREE YEARS, I DON'T THINK THEY MATCH UP TO WHAT WE REALLY WANT TO BE DOING. SURE. NOW, COUNCILMAN, UH, GRADY, JUST SO I CAN MITIGATE SOME OF YOUR CONCERNS IN TERMS OF THE RUBRIC ON THE, ON THE WRITTEN APPLICATION, UM, COMPONENT, YOUR CONCERN ABOUT DIRECTING, UH, PROCEEDS AND EVALUATION THE, THE, THE WEIGHTED VALUE TO, UH, PRIORITY NEEDS WITHIN THE CITY. UM, OF COURSE WE HAVE THE PROJECT DESCRIPTION THEY NEED, AND YES, THAT IS, THAT IS ONLY 10 POINTS, BUT, UM, THE WAY, PERHAPS THE MISTAKE THAT, OR, OR THE AREA OF, UH, REFINEMENT THAT WE CAN TAKE IS THAT OUR INTENTION FOR THAT IS THAT IT'S TO BE MATCHED WITH THE CAPACITY TO MANAGE PROGRAM, ABILITY TO SERVE RESIDENTS AND PROPOSE OUTCOME MEASURES. UM, THE IDEA IS THAT THE PROJECT DESCRIPTION IN NEED IS JUST AN IDEA. AND THERE'S A, THERE'S A, THERE'S A THOUGHT PROCESS AND, YOU KNOW, BUSINESS, THE IDEA IS NOT WORTH A MILLION DOLLARS. IT'S THE COMPETENCY IN THE EXECUTION. SO WHEN PAIRED WITH CAPACITY TO MANAGE PROGRAM ABILITY TO SERVE PERAL RESIDENTS AND PROPOSE OUTCOME MEASURES, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT AWARDING 35 OF THE MAXIMUM 60 POINTS UNDER WRITTEN APPLICATION TO REALLY, UH, OUR EVALUATION OF AN ORGANIZATION ABILITY TO BOTH HAVE THE IDENTIFIED IDEA TO, UH, THE PROJECT NEED, BUT ALSO TO EXECUTE. SO I, AGAIN, I KNOW WE, THIS IS, THIS IS THE FIFTH YEAR THAT WE'VE HAD THIS RUBRIC MM-HMM. , AND THIS IS FRANKLY THE FIRST TIME WE HAD THIS EXPLICIT FEEDBACK, AND WE WELCOME IT BECAUSE WE THOUGHT WE WERE DOING GOOD, BUT WE CAN DO BETTER. AND SO WE, WE WILL CERTAINLY, I WILL TAKE, CERTAINLY TAKE THESE SENTIMENTS BACK TO THE COMMISSION, AND WE CAN REFINE THE WORDING AND PERHAPS HOW WE GROUP THESE, UH, CRITERIA MEASURES. GOOD. BECAUSE, UH, I APPRECIATE THAT. I THINK THAT THE, THE, THE IMPORTANT THING IS [00:40:01] THE OUTCOMES, BECAUSE THAT IS WHAT WE HAVE STATED WITHIN THE APPLICATION PROCESS IS THE BIGGEST CONCERN THAT WE HAVE IS THE OUTCOMES, BUT OUR SCORECARD DOESN'T INDICATE WE'RE ACCOMPLISHING OUR OUTCOMES. SO WHEN I SEE THAT THE SCORECARD IS NOT ACCOMPLISHING OUR, WHAT WE SAID OUR OUTCOMES NEED TO BE, I STARTED GOING BACK THROUGH THE PROCESS TO FIND OUT WHERE THE ISSUES ARE, AND THAT'S WHERE I'M FINDING THEM. YES. OKAY. THANK YOU. COUNCILMAN SMITH. THANK YOU, MAYOR. JUST A QUICK THING AND, AND JUST FOLLOW UP. I ALSO AGREE. I THANK YOU. DO A FINE JOB ON PUBLIC SPEAK. DON'T CUT YOURSELF SHORT. UM, O ONE THING I'D LIKE TO SUGGEST, AND, AND, AND A LOT OF BEEN HAS BEEN SAID, BUT, UH, I THINK IN, UH, WITH, UH, MAYOR PROM'S POINT AND, AND, AND, UH, MAYOR, UH, DEPUTY MAYOR PROM, BOTH W WE DO NEED TO HAVE A TRACK, OR LET'S CALL IT FIRST TIMERS, OKAY. A BEGINNER'S TRACK. BECAUSE JUST FOR EXAMPLE, I MEAN, THERE, THERE ONE GROUP THAT'S ACTUALLY RIGHT DOWN THE STREET FROM US HERE, A HOPE RESTORED MISSION I KNOW OF, AND HELPED THEM WITH SOME THINGS I ASKED THEM WAS, I SAID, YOU GUYS REALLY NEED TO APPLY, YOU KNOW, FOR, FOR GRANT PROCESS TO GET SOME ASSISTANCE. THEY, THEY, THEY HELP, YOU KNOW, HOMELESS, HOMELESS PREVENTION AND PEOPLE THAT ARE HOMELESS AND HELP 'EM, YOU KNOW, GET BACK ON THEIR FEET. AND THEY SAID, WE WE'RE JUST, WE'RE TOO SMALL. WE, WE DON'T HAVE ANYBODY THAT CAN WRITE THIS THING, YOU KNOW? UH, SO THAT HAPPENS. AND, AND I THINK IF WE HAD A, A TRACK, A SEPARATE CATEGORY AS WE'RE DOING ALL THIS A SEPARATE SET ASIDE FOR FIRST TIME APPLICANTS, IT WOULD KIND OF BE AN EQUAL FOOTING. YOU KNOW, YES, EVERYBODY MIGHT DO A CRAPPY WRITTEN THING, BUT THEY'RE ALL GONNA DO THE CRAPPY WRITTEN THING. SO THEY'RE ON, THEY'RE ON EQUAL GROUND. THEY'RE NOT COMPETING AGAINST PEOPLE THAT DO THIS EVERY YEAR AND GET GRANTS AND GET FUNDS BECAUSE THEY DO IT EVERY YEAR. THEY KNOW HOW TO DO IT. SO THAT'S WHAT I'D RECOMMEND. AND LET, LET'S, LET'S DO THAT. SET ASIDE THERE. AND, AND YES, I THINK COUNCILMAN GRAY, GREAT POINTS, YOU KNOW, PAY ATTENTION TO THE RUBRICS BECAUSE COUNCILMAN RICK DELEY POINTED THIS OUT. IT'S ALL ABOUT SERVING THE CITIZENS, SERVING THE PEOPLE IN NEED. IF, IF WE'RE NOT ENSURING THE BEST WAY FOR THAT TO HAPPEN, WE ARE NOT DOING THE RIGHT JOB. AND I THINK THAT'S WHY WE'RE ALL HERE TONIGHT, BECAUSE WE RECOGNIZE WE HAVE TO DO A BETTER JOB AT DELIVERING GET, IT DOES NO GOOD TO GET THE MONEY IF WE CAN'T GET IT OUT, SO THE PEOPLE ARE IN NEED. SO, BUT LET, LET'S, LET'S DEFINITELY, LET'S LOOK AT DOING A SEPARATE TRACK FOR FIRST TIME APPLICANTS AND, AND PUTTING THAT IN PLACE. THAT'S, THAT WOULD BE, I THINK, VERY HELPFUL FOR US. THANK YOU. OKAY, THANKS. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. APPRECIATE, APPRECIATE YOU. THANK YOU. ITEMS FOR INDIVIDUAL CONSIDERATION, DID YOU WANNA SEE IF THERE'S ANY FUTURE AGENDA ITEMS OR FUTURE DISCUSSION ON AGENDA ITEMS? AND WE'LL FINISH OFF THE P O M YEAH. ON THE POM, UH, ARE THERE ANY ITEMS FOR A ACTION ON FUTURE AGENDAS OR DISCUSSION? OKAY. [(1)  Public Hearing and consideration of an Ordinance as requested in Zoning Case 2023-001 to amend the Comprehensive Zoning Ordinance of the City, Ordinance No. 2015-5-2, as heretofore amended, granting Specific Use Permit No. 67 for Martial Arts Studio on 0.1 acre of land located on the south side of Capital Avenue, 684 feet east of N Avenue in the City of Plano, Collin County, Texas, presently zoned Light Industrial-1, directing a change accordingly in the official zoning map of the City; and providing a penalty clause, a repealer clause, a savings clause, a severability clause, a publication clause, and an effective date.  Petitioner:  Joe L. Griffith ] ITEMS FOR INDIVIDUAL CONSIDERATION, PUBLIC HEARING ITEMS, APPLICANTS ARE LIMITED TO 15 MINUTES PRESENTATION TIME WITH A FIVE MINUTE REBUTTAL IF NEEDED. REMAINING SPEAKERS ARE LIMITED TO 30 TOTAL MINUTES OF TESTIMONY TIME WITH THREE MINUTES ASSIGNED PER SPEAKER. THE PRESIDING OFFICER MAYMAN THESE TIMES IS DEEMED NECESSARY. NON-PUBLIC HEARING ITEMS. PRESIDING OFFICER WILL PERMIT PUBLIC COMMENT FOR ITEMS ON THE AGENDA NOT POSTED FOR A PUBLIC HEARING. PRESIDING OFFICER WILL ESTABLISH TIME LIMITS BASED UPON THE NUMBER OF SPEAKER REQUESTS, THE LENGTH OF THE AGENDA, AND TO ENSURE MEETING EFFICIENCY AND MAY INCLUDE A CUMULATIVE TIME LIMIT. SPEAKERS WILL BE CALLED IN THE ORDER OF THE REQUESTS ARE RECEIVED UNTIL THE CUMULATIVE TIME IS EXHAUSTED. ITEM NUMBER ONE, PUBLIC HEARING AND CONSIDERATION OF AN ORDINANCE AS REQUESTED IN ZONING CASE 2023 DASH ZERO ONE TO AMEND THE COMPREHENSIVE ZONING ORDINANCE OF THE CI CITY ORDINANCE NUMBER 2015 DASH FIVE DASH TWO S FOUR AMENDED GRANTING SPECIFIC USE PERMIT NUMBER 67 FOR MARSHALL ART STUDIO ON 0.1 ACRE OF LAND LOCATED ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF CAPITOL AVENUE, 800 OR 684 FEET EAST OF N AVENUE IN THE CITY OF PLANO, COLLIN COUNTY, TEXAS, PRESENTLY ZONED LIGHT INDUSTRIAL ONE DIRECTING. CHANGE ACCORDINGLY IN THE OFFICIAL ZONING MAP OF THE CITY, PROVIDING A PENALTY CLAUSE, A REPEAL OR CLAUSE, A SAVINGS CLAUSE, A SEVERABILITY CLAUSE, A PUBLICATION CLAUSE, AND AN EFFECTIVE DATE. HELLO AGAIN, MAYOR COUNCIL AND EXECUTIVES. I AM CHRISTINA DAY, THE DIRECTOR OF PLANNING. UM, SO WE HAVE A ZONING CASE BEFORE YOU. IT IS THE FIRST 2023 ZONING CASE, AND IT IS A REQUEST FOR A SPECIFIC USE PERMIT FOR MARTIAL ARTS STUDIO IN THE LIGHT INDUSTRIAL AREA OF, UH, EAST PLANO AT [00:45:01] CAPITAL AVENUE NEAR, UH, N AVENUE. SO YOU CAN SEE THE LOCATION, IT IS A, AGAIN, A LEASE SPACE, SO THAT'S WHY IT'S INTERNAL TO THE LOT, BECAUSE IT IS A PART OF A BUILDING. AND THE NOTICE AREA, UH, 200 FOOT AND 500 FOOT INDICATED ON THE SCREEN. SO THIS IS AN AERIAL PHOTOGRAPH OF WHERE THIS WOULD BE LOCATED WITHIN THE BUILDING. AND, UH, YOU CAN SEE HOW THE BUILDING FACES CAPITOL AVENUE. SO THE SUBJECT PROPERTY IS PART OF THE EMPLOYMENT CENTER'S DESIGNATION ON THE FUTURE LAND USE MAP. AND THIS, UH, REQUEST IS CONSISTENT WITH THAT DESIGNATION. IT IS CLASSIFIED AS RETAIL TYPES, WHICH WOULD NOT CHANGE THE LAND USE MIX IN THIS AREA. SO AS YOU CAN SEE IN THIS SUMMARY, IT, THE REQUEST MEETS THE DESCRIPTION AND PRIORITY. UH, THERE'S NO CHANGE TO THE MIX OF USES, AND THE OTHER ITEMS ARE NOT REALLY APPLICABLE BECAUSE THERE'S NO CHANGES TO THE PHYSICAL SITE. SO WITH THAT, WE HAVE ONE RESPONSE. WE HAD A, UH, LETTER FROM AN ADJACENT PROPERTY OWNER WITHIN 200 FEET. THEY'RE NEUTRAL TO THE REQUEST. AND THEN WE HAD A NUMBER OF OTHER, UH, FEEDBACK, THREE TOTAL FEEDBACK, UH, RESPONSES WITH ONE IN SUPPORT AND TWO NEUTRAL CITYWIDE. SO WITH THAT, THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION IS, UH, UNANIMOUSLY IN SUPPORT OF THIS ITEM. AND I'M GLAD TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU MAY HAVE. THANK YOU, CHRISTINE. ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? THANKS. I'LL OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING. ARE THERE ANY SPEAKERS? THE ONLY SPEAKER WE HAVE ON THIS ITEM IS THE APPLICANT. OKAY. WITH THE APPLICANT. LIKE TO, UH, YEAH, I'M SORRY. OH, NO PROBLEM. HI, I'M, I'M TRACY DICKEY AND I'M A, A RESIDENCE OF MURPHY, BUT I HAVE TWO BUSINESSES HERE IN, IN PLANO. I WANTED TO TELL YOU A LITTLE BIT ABOUT MY SCHOOL. UH, IT'S TEXAS US CHEN R KARATE PI OF EAST PLAIN, WHERE A TRISH TRADITIONAL OKINAWA KARATE. I HAVE BEEN IN THE P PLANO COMMUNITY IN THAT AREA FOR OVER 15 YEARS, SUBLEASING SPACE. THROUGHOUT THIS TIME, I'VE BEEN LOCATED WITH SEVERAL DIFFERENT GYMNASTICS SCHOOLS ALONG SUMMIT AVENUE, BUT MOST RECENTLY, THE FLIP FACTORY, UM, ON SUMMIT. OUR PROGRAM INCLUDES MARTIAL ARTS CLASSES FOR STUDENTS OF ALL ABILITIES AND AGES UP TO FOR, AND, UH, UM, OUR CLASSES ARE, ARE SELF-DEFENSE TRAINING AND LOCAL CHARITIES, INCLUDING EMILY'S PLACE IN NEW BEGIN, UH, UH, NEW BEGINNINGS, HOPE STORE AND TREASURED VESSELS, UM, FOUNDATION WHERE I VOLUNTEER. WE, UM, WE PROVIDE SELF-DEFENSE SEMINARS FOR HIGH SCHOOL STUDENTS, COLLEGE STUDENTS, GIRL SCOUTS, TROOPS, UM, AND TEACHERS, ET CETERA. AND IN LOUIS FEES, I DONATE ALL THAT MONEY TO HOPE STORE TREASURED VESSELS. MORE THAN FOUR, OUTTA FIVE OF OUR STUDENTS ATTEND WITH ANOTHER FAMILY MOTHER, WHE WHETHER A PARENT OR A SIBLING. WE PROVIDE AN ADAPTIVE PROGRAM FOR STUDENTS WITH PHYSICAL AND MENTAL DISABILITIES. AND 20% OF OUR STU STUDENTS ARE ON SCHOLARSHIP TO, TO, SO THEY CAN CONTINUE THEIR TRAINING TO REMAIN WITHIN THE SAME AREA OF PLANO THAT WE HAVE BEEN IN. WE ARE LOOKING TO OPEN UP THE FACILITY AT 1506 CAPITAL. THIS LOCATION IS CENTRAL TO OUR CURRENT STUDENTS AND THEIR FAMILIES, AS WELL AS PROVIDING TRADITIONAL MARTIAL ARTS SCHOOL WITHIN THE CENTRAL PLANO AREA. THE SPACE IS IDEAL SIZE FOR HAVING AND WORKOUT AREA, CHANGING ROOMS, RESTROOMS, THE OFFICE AND THE LOBBY FOR THE PARENTS. OUR LOCATION IS NESTLED IN ON OTHER ATHLETIC FACILITIES ON SUMMIT AVENUE AVENUE N PAO PARKWAY, SUCH AS VOLLEYBALL, CRICKET, CHEERLEADING, JIUJITSU, AND BASKETBALL. WITH MOST OF OUR CLASSES BEING HELD IN THE EVENING WEEKENDS, THERE IS LITTLE IMPACT ON THE OTHER TENANTS. WITH OUR OWN FACILITY, WE'RE ABLE TO EXPAND OUR OUTREACH TO THE LOCAL COMMUNITY, OFFER MORE CLASSES TAILORED TOWARDS PACIFIC NEEDS, STUDENT STUDENTS WITH CHALLENGES, PROVIDE ADDITIONAL SELF-DEFENSE SEMINARS TO LOCAL BUSINESSES AND COMMUNITY MEMBERS, AND INCREASE OUR VOLUNTEERING WITH UNDER, UM, UNDERSERVED MEMBERS OF THE COMMUNITY, WHICH I'D LIKE TO GET INVOLVED WITH. THE BOYS AND GIRLS CLUBS OF PLAINTIFF, THEM. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THANK YOU. I'LL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING, CONFINE THE COMMENTS TO THE COUNCIL. MOTION TO APPROVE. SECOND. THANK YOU. I HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND, UH, TO APPROVE, UH, AGENDA ITEM NUMBER ONE. ANY COMMENTS, PLEASE VOTE. MOTION PASSES. THANK YOU. [00:50:02] NEXT ITEM, ITEM NUMBER [(2)  Public Hearing and consideration of an Ordinance as requested in Zoning Case 2022-018 to amend the Comprehensive Zoning Ordinance of the City, Ordinance No. 2015-5-2, as heretofore amended, so as to rezone 5.2 acres of land located on the west side of J Place, 111 feet north of State Highway 190 in the City of Plano, Collin County, Texas, from Light Commercial to Planned Development-57-Corridor Commercial and rescind Specific Use Permits No. 525 and 529 for Contract Construction; No. 526 and 528 for Auto Storage; and No. 527 and 530 for Used Car Dealer; presently zoned Light Commercial with Specific Use Permits No. 525 and 529 for Contract Construction; No. 526 and 528 for Auto Storage; and No. 527 and 530 for Used Car Dealer; directing changes accordingly in the official zoning map of the City; and providing a penalty clause, a repealer clause, a savings clause, a severability clause, a publication clause, and an effective date.  Petitioners: Jan Martin, Grapeland Properties, LLC, S.H. Lucas Investments, LLC, Numero Uno, Ltd., and Smith-Lisle Holdings Ltd. ] TWO, PUBLIC HEARING AND CONSIDERATION OF AN ORDINANCE AS REQUESTED IN ZONING CASE 2022 DASH 18, TO AMEND THE COMPREHENSIVE ZONING ORDINANCE OF THE CITY, ORDINANCE NUMBER 2015 DASH FIVE DASH TWO AS HERE TO FOR AMENDED. SO AS TO REZONE, 5.2 ACRES OF LAND, LOW OF LAND LOCATED ON THE WEST SIDE OF JAY PLACE, 111 FEET NORTH OF STATE HIGHWAY ONE 90 IN THE CITY OF PLANO, COLLIN COUNTY, TEXAS FROM LAKE COMMERCIAL TO PLAN DEVELOPMENT, 57 CORRIDOR COMMERCIAL AND RESEND SPECIFIC USE PERMITS 5 25 AND FRONT 5 29 FOR CONTRACT CONSTRUCTION NUMBER 5 26 AND 5 28 FOR AUTO STORAGE. AND 5 27 AND FIVE 30 FOR USED CAR DEALER. PRESENTLY ZONED LIKE COMMERCIAL WITH SPECIFIC USED PERMITS, 5 25 AND 5 29 FOR CONTRACT CONSTRUCTION, 5 26 AND 5 28 AUTO STORAGE. AND NUMBER 5 27 AND FIVE 30 FOR USED CAR DEALER DIRECTING A CHANGE ACCORDINGLY IN THE OFFICIAL ZONING MAP OF THE CITY, PROVIDING A PENALTY CLAUSE, A REPEAL OR CLAUSE, A SAVINGS CLAUSE, A SEVERABILITY CLAUSE, A PUBLICATION CLAUSE, AND AN EFFECTIVE DATE. ALL RIGHT, THIS NEXT CASE ZONING CASE 20 22 18 IS A REQUEST TO REZONE 5.2 ACRES ON THE SOUTHERN BOUNDARY OF THE K AVENUE CORRIDOR. IT'S ACTUALLY LOCATED ON J PLACE, AND THE REQUEST IS TO CREATE A PLAN DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT. THE PLAN DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT, UH, BETTER ALLOWS THIS PROPERTY TO COMPLY WITH THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN STANDARDS. UM, SO MOVING FORWARD, YOU CAN SEE THE EXISTING PROPERTIES TODAY VIA AERIAL PHOTOGRAPH, UH, AND THE SURROUNDING LAND USES IN THE AREA. UM, THE SUBJECT PROPERTY IS HIGHLIGHTED IN YELLOW, AND THAT IT IS SURROUNDED PRIMARILY BY COMMERCIAL USES, UH, TO THE NORTH AND TO THE EAST. UH, THERE IS SOME VACANT PROPERTY TO THE SOUTH AND A MULTIFAMILY RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT TO THE WEST ACROSS THE DART LIGHT RAIL LINE. STATE HIGHWAY ONE 90 IS ALSO TO THE SOUTH. SO THIS IS A CONCEPT PLAN THAT WAS SUBMITTED ALONG WITH THE DEVELOPMENT PACKAGE. IT IS NOT ATTACHED TO THE PLAN DEVELOPMENT STIPULATIONS, SO THERE COULD BE SOME MODIFICATIONS TO THE SITE AS IT MOVES THROUGH THE DEVELOPMENT PROCESS. BUT THIS IS AN EXAMPLE OF WHAT COULD DEVELOP, UH, WITH THE, UH, PLAN DEVELOPMENT STIPULATIONS THAT ARE PROPOSED, THERE ARE TWO BUILDINGS PROPOSED. THE PROPERTY IS BISECTED EAST WEST, ROUGHLY IN THE MIDDLE, UH, BY A WATER, A NORTH TEXAS MUNICIPAL WATER DISTRICT EASEMENT. SO, UH, HENCE THE, THE TWO BUILDINGS IN THAT SEPARATION, UH, THAT'S BEING USED AS A CONNECTION THROUGH THE PROPERTY. SO A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE ZONING HISTORY OF THIS PROPERTY. UM, PRIOR TO 2003, IT WAS ZONED LIGHT INDUSTRIAL AND IT STILL CONTAINS INDUSTRIAL TYPE USES. UM, HENCE ALSO ALL OF THE SPECIFIC USE PERMITS THAT WOULD BE RESCINDED WERE THIS CASE APPROVED. UM, THINGS LIKE USED CAR DEALERSHIP AND CONTRACT CONSTRUCTION ARE CURRENTLY ALLOWED HERE. UH, BECAUSE OF THAT PREVIOUS LIGHT INDUSTRIAL ZONING, THE CITY INITIATED REZONING OF THIS AREA BECAUSE OF CHANGES TO THE CORRIDOR BACK IN 2003. AND AT THAT TIME, THE PROPERTY WAS CHANGED TO LIGHT COMMERCIAL AND THOSE SUVS WERE PUT IN PLACE. SO A SIMILAR ZONING CASE WAS SUBMITTED, UH, PREVIOUSLY IN 2001, BUT, UH, WENT THROUGH A COUPLE OF REVIEW CYCLES AND WERE WITHDRAWN. THAT CASE WAS WITHDRAWN. IT DID NOT, WAS THERE WAS NO PUBLIC HEARING. SO THIS IS WHAT THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN SHOWS ON THE FUTURE LAND USE MAP. IT IS WITHIN THE DOWNTOWN CORRIDOR'S FUTURE LAND USE CATEGORY. AND SO THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN ANALYSIS, I WANNA SPEND A FEW MINUTES ON THIS BECAUSE, UH, AS YOU CAN SEE THERE ARE SOME DETAILS THERE. UM, THIS, IT DOES MEET THE DESCRIPTION OF PRIORITIES OF THE DOWNTOWN CORRIDOR. UM, THE MIX OF USES, UH, ARE NOT EXACTLY ALIGNED. UH, THE MIX HAS 92.8% MULTIFAMILY TODAY, AND THE ALIGNMENT WITH THE MIX IS ZERO TO 90%. UH, CHARACTER DEFINING ELEMENTS, THOSE, THERE ARE QUITE A FEW OF THOSE THAT MEET. HOWEVER, THERE ARE IS SOME CITY COUNCIL DIRECTION NEEDED ON THE APPLICABILITY OF TRANSIT-ORIENTED DEVELOPMENT BECAUSE DENSITY IN THE DOWNTOWN CORRIDOR DEPENDS ON WHETHER IT'S CONSIDERED TRANSIT-ORIENTED DEVELOPMENT. THERE WAS INFORMATION ON THAT IN THE STAFF REPORT [00:55:01] PLANNING AND ZONING DID FIND IT WAS TRANSIT-ORIENTED DEVELOPMENT. UM, SO THAT'S, UH, YET TO BE SEEN THIS EVENING. UH, THE THOROUGHFARE PLAN, MAP BIKE, TRANSPORTATION MAP AND PARKS MASTER PLAN MAP ARE ALL IN CONFORMANCE. UM, WITH THIS REQUEST. THE EXPRESSWAY CORRIDOR ENVIRONMENTAL HEALTH MAP, THERE ARE SOME CONCERNS THERE. UM, THERE IS MITIGATION PROPOSED, HOWEVER, REDEVELOPMENT OF REGIONAL TRANSPORTATION CORRIDORS POLICY THAT REQUIRES COMPLIANCE WITH THE FUTURE LAND USE MAP. SO BECAUSE OF THE MIX OF USES ISSUE, THAT IS, UM, THAT CREATES A CONCERN WITH THAT POLICY. UM, THAT'S SIMILAR TO CONCERNS ON OUR GM ONE AND OUR GM EIGHT. AND THEN, UM, AGAIN, PENDING THE T O D APPLICABILITY FOR THE TRANSIT-ORIENTED DEVELOPMENT POLICY IN DOWNTOWN VISION AND STRATEGY UPDATE. BUT I WOULD ALSO LIKE TO POINT OUT THAT R G M ACTION EIGHT DOES. THERE IS SOME CONFORMANCE THERE IF YOU FIND IT TO BE TRANSIT-ORIENTED DEVELOPMENT. SO I KNOW THAT WAS A LOT, BUT WE WILL MOVE ON . ALL RIGHT, SO HERE IS THE, UH, ENVIRONMENTAL HEALTH AREA MAP. SO YOU CAN SEE THIS IS LOCATED, UH, IN THE E EHA TWO AREA THAT STATES THAT, UM, SENSITIVE LAND USES ARE GENERALLY INAPPROPRIATE, BUT MAY BE, UH, UTILIZED IF SATISFACTORY MITIGATION IS ACHIEVED. SO I THINK THAT'S WHAT WE'RE LOOKING FOR HERE, UM, IS THE MITIGATION. THERE ARE MITIGATION MEASURES PROPOSED FOR BOTH NOISE AND POLLUTION IN THE PLAN DEVELOPMENT STIPULATIONS. SO THE QUESTION OF IS THIS TRANSIT-ORIENTED DEVELOPMENT? THE FUTURE LAND USE MAP DOES NOT INCLUDE THE BUSH STATION. HOWEVER, THE, UH, DOWNTOWN, UH, PLAN DOES INCORPORATE THE DOWN THE BUSH DART STATION. SO THERE COMES THE POLICY KIND OF CONFLICT THAT YOU CAN WRESTLE WITH. UM, IT IS WITHIN WALKING DISTANCE TO THE BUSH DART STATION AT APPROXIMATELY A THOUSAND FEET. AND SO FUTURE RESIDENTS WOULD BE ABLE TO HAVE A DIRECT PEDESTRIAN CONNECTION ACROSS STATE HIGHWAY ONE 90 BY A PROPOSED TRAIL CONNECTION. UM, THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION DID FIND THIS TO BE TRANSIT ORIENTED DEVELOPMENT, AND THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN DOES SUPPORT, UH, THAT TYPE OF DEVELOPMENT WITHIN WALKING DISTANCE OF LIGHT RAIL STATIONS. SO MULTIFAMILY DEVELOPMENT IN THE PD IS LIMITED TO 325 UNITS ON THE SITE. THEY'RE UTILIZING THE DOWNTOWN BUSINESS GOVERNMENT ZONING DISTRICT STANDARDS FOR THE TYPE OF MULTI-FAMILY DEVELOPMENT THAT YOU WOULD SEE. SO IF THAT GIVES YOU AN IDEA OF THE TYPE, UH, DESIGN THAT YOU WOULD SEE THERE, BOTH UNIT SIZE PARKING, UH, THE STANDARDS THAT ARE UTILIZED IN THE PD ARE BASED ON THAT ZONING DISTRICT. UM, THERE ARE SOME ADJACENCY ISSUES TO THE NORTH AND THE SOUTH, THE SOUTH PRIMARILY BEING THE HIGHWAY. UM, THE NORTH BEING SOME EXISTING LAND USES THERE WITH, UH, GARAGE DOORS FACING THE SITE. THOSE ARE AGAIN, ADDRESSED THROUGH THE PD STIPULATIONS. THERE'S SOME LANDSCAPE SCREENING REQUIREMENTS THAT HAVE BEEN INCLUDED. AND, UM, THERE ARE ALSO SITE AMENITY REQUIREMENTS FOR THE MULTIFAMILY USE THAT WE HOPE BRING SOME ADDITIONAL QUALITY OF LIFE TO FUTURE RESIDENTS SHOULD THE REQUEST BE APPROVED. SO PLAN DEVELOPMENT STIPULATIONS ALSO INCLUDE EHA MITIGATION. SO, UH, POLLUTION MEASURES INCLUDING LOCATION FOR INTAKES FOR OUTDOOR AIR, MECHANICAL VENTILATION REQUIREMENTS. UM, NOISE MITIGATION FOR USING THE PARKING STRUCTURE AS A BUFFER. UH, CONSTRUCTION DOCUMENTS REQUIRING INTERIOR NOISE MITIGATION AND BALCONY RESTRICTIONS ARE ALL PART OF THE PLAN DEVELOPMENT. WITH REGARD TO OPEN SPACE, UM, AGAIN, WE'RE BACK TO THE, IS IT A T O D QUESTION? UH, THE T O D STANDARD IN THE DASHBOARD POLICY IS FIVE TO 10%, UM, FOR THE TRANSIT ORIENTED DEVELOPMENT. UM, AND THEN FOR OTHER AREAS IT'S 10 TO 20%. THE PROPOSAL IS CLOSER TO THE NON T O D, BUT WE THINK BECAUSE OF THE BUFFERS THAT ARE NEEDED, BECAUSE OF SOME ADJACENCY THAT MAY BE APPROPRIATE TO MAKE AN EXCEPTION IN THIS AREA, EVEN IF YOU FIND IT TO BE TRANSIT ORIENTED. SO RESIDENTIAL STANDARDS, UM, THERE IS A SETBACK FROM THE NORTHERN PROPERTY HERE AND, UM, THAT IS HELPFUL AGAIN TO A SCREEN AND BUFFER FROM THOSE ADJACENT USES. THERE'S A 10 FOOT LANDSCAPE BUFFER, UM, AS WELL AS A [01:00:01] FENCING. UH, THERE'S A FIVE FOOT LANDSCAPE EDGE ON THE WESTERN PROPERTY LINE. A UH, ALONG JAY PLACE. THERE'S A NUMBER OF PEDESTRIAN ORIENTED AMENITIES THAT ARE VERY CONSISTENT WITH THE FUTURE LAND USE CATEGORY TO IMPROVE THAT AREA. UH, PEDESTRIAN WALKWAY, STREET TREES ON STREET PARKING, AND THEN A NICE CONNECTION TO THE EXISTING TRAIL ALONG THE DART LINE THAT IS ON THE SOUTHERN EDGE OF THE PROPERTY. SO WITH REGARD TO FEEDBACK, UM, WE INCLUDED TWO TABLES. UH, WE DON'T OFTEN GET FEEDBACK FROM THE PROPERTY ITSELF, BUT THIS TIME WE DID, WE DID NOT GET RESPONSES FROM WITHIN THE BUFFER, BUT WE DID GET A RESPONSE FROM A PROPERTY OWNER. SO THAT'S WHERE YOU SEE THE ONE SIGNED LETTER HERE REPRESENTING TWO ACRES. AND THEN OTHER RESPONSES THROUGHOUT, UH, THAT WE RECEIVED, UH, WILL SAY EIGHT, UM, TWO WERE DUPLICATE RESPONSES AND TWO RESPONSES ARE FROM OUTSIDE THE CITY OF PLANO. UM, THERE WERE A TOTAL OF 10 RESPONSES. SO IF YOU ARE LOOKING FOR UNDUPLICATED PLANO RESPONSES, YOUR NUMBER IS SIX, AND THERE'S A MAP OF THOSE LOCATIONS. SO THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION DID RECOMMEND APPROVAL WITH A VOTE OF FOUR IN FAVOR, ONE IN OPPOSITION, AND ONE ABSTENTION. UM, THIS CASE DOES REQUIRE FINDINGS DUE TO THE, UH, RGM POLICY AND THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. SO WITH THAT, UM, IT WOULD JUST BE IF YOU WERE VOTING TO APPROVE. AND WITH THAT, I'M AVAILABLE FOR QUESTIONS YOU MIGHT HAVE ON THIS CASE. MM-HMM. . OKAY, THANKS CHRISTINA. UH, DO YOU HAVE A QUESTION FOR STAFF MAYOR PRO TEMP ON THE UNDEVELOPED LAND RIGHT TO THE SOUTH? MM-HMM. , HOW LARGE IS THAT SPACE? UH, WE COULD LOOK THAT UP. UM, WE'VE LOOKED AT IT SPECIFICALLY OF IS IT A DEVELOPABLE PIECE OF PROPERTY? YEAH. AND I THINK THERE ARE SIGNIFICANT CHALLENGES TO DEVELOPING THAT PIECE OF PROPERTY, BUT I THINK THAT IT MAY REQUIRE VARIANCES, BUT I DO THINK THAT YOU COULD DEVELOP SOMETHING, IT WOULD BE SOMETHING VERY SMALL. OKAY. SO YOU DON'T HAVE CONCERNS WITH THE TWO THERE BEING INCOMPATIBLE ZONING WITH ONE BEING RESIDENTIAL AND ONE REMAINING LIKE COMMERCIAL THERE? UM, I DO NOT, UH, THINK THAT'S THE MOST FAVORABLE CONDITION. UM, BUT I THINK THERE'S A VERY LIMITED, THEY'RE VERY LIMITED OPPORTUNITIES ON THAT PROPERTY. IT WOULD BE MY PREFERENCE THAT THAT PROPERTY WERE REZONED. SO IF THIS ZONING CASE IS APPROVED, IT MAY BE SOMETHING THAT THE CITY WANTS TO LOOK AT WORKING WITH THAT PROPERTY OWNER FOR REZONING. OKAY. THANK YOU MR. BELLING. THANK YOU, MAYOR. THANK YOU, CHRISTINA, FOR THAT PRESENTATION. UM, THERE'S BEEN DISCUSSION ABOUT THE VARIOUS FACETS OF THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN WITH RESPECT TO THIS ZONING CASE, AND WE'VE TALKED ABOUT HOW THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, UH, GENERALLY SUPPORTS, UH, UH, T O D WITHIN WALKING DISTANCE OF LIGHT RAIL STATIONS. UM, MY UNDERSTANDING THOUGH IS IT IT DOESN'T SUPPORT AN UNLIMITED NUMBER OF UNITS, UH, THAT THE DASHBOARD STILL APPLY. AND SO THAT WOULD BE, UH, UNDER THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, ESSENTIALLY THE OVERRIDING CONSIDERATION, RIGHT? T O D UH, UH, T O D UH, TYPE DEVELOPMENT IS, IS FAVORED WITHIN WALKING DISTANCE OF, UH, OF LIGHT RAIL STATIONS, BUT THE, THE NUMBER OF UNITS, WHETHER T O D NON T O D, ANY KIND OF, OF, YOU KNOW, UH, TYPE OF MULTIFAMILY WOULD STILL BE SUBJECT TO THE DASHBOARDS, CORRECT? THAT IS CORRECT. OKAY. THANK YOU. COUNCILMAN SMITH. THANK YOU, MAYOR. UH, CHRISTINA, JUST TO BE SURE I UNDERSTAND IT CORRECT, I, I, I WATCHED THE, THE MEETING AND IT, AND IT, UH, UH, SEEMED LIKE, OBVIOUSLY EVERYTHING TURNED OUT T O D RECOMMENDATION. THE, THE ONE REAL STIFLER WAS THE, THE EHA TWO REGULATION. AND, AND IF I'M REMEMBERING CORRECTLY, THE, UH, THE APPLICANT, UH, AND YOU MAY HAVE MENTIONED THAT WITH GOING ABOVE BUILDING CODES, BUT THEY, THEY WERE PLANNING, THEY'RE GONNA UPGRADE FROM A STANDARD SIX MERV AIR FILTRATION SYSTEM TO AN EIGHT MERV. IS THAT, THAT'S STILL, STILL CORRECT. THAT IS PART OF THE PLAN DEVELOPMENT STIPULATION. SO THEY'LL BE REQUIRED TO DO THAT, UH, UNDER THIS ZING. AND, AND THEY ARE ENHANCING LANDSCAPING, PUTTING ADDITIONAL TREES AND THINGS IN THE AREA AS WELL? THAT IS CORRECT. THERE ARE A NUMBER OF ADDITIONAL LANDSCAPE STANDARDS, UM, ON, UH, EACH FRONTAGE FROM STREET TREES ON THE STREET TO E EVERY FRONTAGE REQUIRES SOME SORT OF LANDS ADDITIONAL LANDSCAPING? YES, SIR. OKAY. [01:05:01] AND, AND DO YOU, I MEAN, I'VE LIVED HERE 30 SOMETHING YEARS. I MEAN, THAT'S BEEN THERE AS LONG AS I CAN REMEMBER. HAS, HAS THAT EVER BEEN ANYTHING BESIDES WHAT IT IS NOW? UH, NOT THAT I'M AWARE OF. I THINK THE LUMBER YARD HAS BEEN THERE QUITE SOME TIME AS WELL AS THE PROPERTIES TO THE SOUTH. I BELIEVE THAT, UH, OWNERSHIP HAS NOT CHANGED AGAIN, UH, IN DECADES, BUT I BELIEVE THAT, UH, APPLICANT MAY ABLE BE ABLE TO ADDRESS THAT MORE PRECISELY. OKAY. AND THEN, SO ON ONE, THE ONE SIDE, YOU, YOU DO HAVE AN APARTMENT COMPLEX GOING, AND THEN ON THE OTHER SIDE THERE, WE HAVE A, UH, UH, UH, WAS IT A MUR BONVOY HOTEL? THERE'S A HOTEL. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. GOOD. THANK YOU, CHRISTINA. CERTAINLY. THANKS, CHRISTINA. OKAY, THANK YOU. I'LL OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING. UH, THE ONLY SPEAKERS WE HAVE ON THIS ITEM ARE THE APPLICANT, ADAM BROWN AND CONNOR OSBORN. COME ON UP, GUYS. UH, GOOD EVENING. UH, MY NAME IS ADAM BROWN AND I'M REPRESENTING INTRINSIC RESIDENTIAL GROUP. UH, SO I'M THE, I'M THE PROPERTY DEVELOPER, SO WE HAVE A PROPERTY ON YOUR CONTRACT. SO, UH, HOPEFULLY WE CAN ANSWER SOME OF THE QUESTIONS YOU GUYS HAD AFTER WE FINISHED OUR PRESENTATION. BUT FIRST, JUST WANT TO THANK STAFF FOR WORKING WITH US. WE'VE BEEN WORKING ON THIS SITE FOR, FOR WELL OVER A YEAR NOW, AND SO JUST, JUST APPRECIATE THEM WORKING THROUGH AND CHECKING AS MANY BOXES AS WE, AS WE COULD ALONG THE WAY. OBVIOUSLY, YOU KNOW, JUST TO START, WE'RE EXCITED. I MEAN, YOU CAN KIND OF SEE FROM THE PICTURE THERE. UH, YOU KNOW, WE'RE EXCITED ABOUT T IT'S KIND OF THE SOUTHERN GATEWAY SITE TO PLANO. UH, YOU KNOW, AS THIS TRANSFORMATION, YOU KNOW, STARTS REALLY AT THE SOUTHERN BORDER WITH THIS SITE AND GOES NORTH INTO DOWNTOWN. SO THAT, THAT EXCITES US. UH, JUST BRIEFLY, UH, WHO WE ARE. UH, SO WE ARE A D F W BASED, UH, REGIONAL MULTI-FAMILY GROUP. UH, I, I RUN, UH, AND OVERSEE THE TEXAS MARKET. UH, WE, WE'VE BEEN AROUND FOR ABOUT 10 PLUS YEARS, SO WE'VE DONE, YOU KNOW, ABOUT 7,000 UNITS IN DFW, ABOUT 2000 MORE IN THE PIPELINE. SO, YOU KNOW, WE ARE LOCAL AND EXPERIENCED, UH, DEVELOPER THAT, YOU KNOW, REALLY PRIDE OURSELF FROM DELIVERING QUALITY PRODUCT. UH, YOU KNOW, ACTUALLY BACK IN 2014, UH, YOU KNOW, I ACTUALLY REZONED THE PROPERTY JUST TO THE WEST. SO, OR ONE 90 WAS OUR PROJECT. WE CAME BEFORE THE CITY AND REZONED THAT BACK IN 2014. SO WE KNOW THE AREA, WE KIND OF KNOW THAT POCKET, WE KNOW THE CHALLENGES IN THE POSITIVES OF THAT POCKET. UH, YOU KNOW, THAT'S REALLY DRAWN US BACK TO THIS AREA, TO THE SITE. YOU KNOW, IT'S A UNIQUE SITE SIMILAR TO ONE 90. UH, WE'LL TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THAT HERE IN A FEW MINUTES. BUT, YOU KNOW, THE GEOMETRY EASEMENTS, THE CHALLENGES, YOU KNOW, FOR OTHER USES THAT REALLY MAKE, MAKE, UH, YOU KNOW, GREAT USE OF LAND FOR MULTI-FAMILY, CUZ WE CAN REALLY MOLD AROUND DIFFERENT CHALLENGES. THAT'S AN OLD ONE. LEMME FLIP FORWARD. THIS IS THE OLD PRESENTATION. ANYWAY. WE CAN, IT'S, WE CAN SKIP THOSE. BUT, SO IN THE, IN THE MAP HERE, I WANT TO JUST GIVE A LITTLE CONTEXT. OBVIOUSLY EVERYBODY KNOWS WHERE THE SITE IS. UH, IT'S A, YOU KNOW, THE, THE PROPERTY OUTLINED IN RED, OBVIOUSLY THERE TO THE WEST IS ORAL ONE 90. THE PROJECT I WAS MENTIONING THAT WE DEVELOPED AND BUILT BACK IN 2016. AS YOU CAN SEE, WE TALKED A LOT ABOUT T O D. YOU KNOW, YOU'RE A FOUR MINUTE WALK TO THE SOUTH, UH, TO THE RICHARDSON STOP, YOU KNOW, YOUR 10 MINUTE WALK TO THE NORTH, TO THE NEW 12TH STREET STATION. AND OBVIOUSLY EVERYBODY KNOWS ABOUT THE SILVER LINE THAT'S ALSO BEING CONSTRUCTED. YOU KNOW, THAT'S JUST ANOTHER NOTE OF TRANSPORTATION THAT REALLY LENDS ITSELF TO THE BEING A T O D SITE. UH, YOU KNOW, YOU ALSO NOTE HERE THE HIKE AND BIKE TRAIL ALONG THE DART, WHICH IS ON OUR SIDE OF THE PROPERTY. SO AS STAFF MENTIONED, WE'LL HAVE A DIRECT CONNECTION TO THAT SO PEOPLE CAN GO NORTH AND SOUTH, YOU KNOW, CUZ I THINK, YOU KNOW, AS A FOCUS OF THE CITY OIL WANT TO GET PEOPLE OUT AND ABOUT. AND SO, YOU KNOW, WE WE'RE REALLY FEEL GOOD ABOUT THAT HIKE AND BACK TRAIL AND JUST THE, THE TRANSPORTATION THAT ALLOWS PEOPLE, UH, TO USE THAT. UH, ONE OTHER THING I DON'T WANNA POINT OUT HERE, JUST FROM A LAND PLANNING PERSPECTIVE, AT LEAST HOW I LOOK AT IT AS A DEVELOPER, YOU KNOW, IF YOU LOOK AT THE MAP WHEN WE WERE LOOKING AT ONE 90, YOU REALLY FOCUS THESE MULTI-FAMILY USES IN THE INNER CORE, YOU KNOW, NEXT TO THESE TRANSPORTATION, TRANSPORTATION CORRIDORS. AND THEN AS YOU GO EAST AND WEST, AS YOU GET BACK TO THE, YOU KNOW, 70 FIVES AVENUE K REALLY THE ROADS THAT ARE MOVING PEOPLE NORTH AND SOUTH THROUGH, THROUGH THE AREA, THAT'S REALLY WHERE I WOULD SEE CONCENTRATION OF MORE OF THE COMMERCIAL USES. SO, YOU KNOW, IN OUR EYES WE SEE THIS AS A REALLY GREAT MULTI-FAMILY LOCATION. [01:10:02] SO THE SITE TODAY, UH, BRIEFLY TALKING TO US, I THINK WE TALKED, THERE'S, YOU KNOW, SIX SUVS ON THE SITE TODAY. OPEN STORAGE, LUMBER YARD, INDUSTRIAL USES. I THINK ONE OF THE QUESTIONS, ONE, ONE OF THE OWNERS ON THE SOUTH SIDE, ACTUALLY THE TWO SOUTH TRACKS, THIS IS A FA THIS IS A MULTI, UH, PROPERTY ASSEMBLAGE, BUT THE TWO TIES ON THE SOUTH THAT PROPERTY'S BEEN OWNED BY THE SAME FAMILY FOR, I DON'T KNOW, 60 YEARS. THEY BUILT THOSE BUILDINGS, UH, YOU KNOW, SO, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE EXCITED. YOU KNOW, THE ONLY REALLY FEEDBACK THEY'VE GOTTEN OVER THE YEARS IS MULTI-FAMILY. SO, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE REALLY LOOKING FORWARD TO SEEING THIS TRANSFORMATION USE, UH, GIVEN THE HISTORY ON THE SITE, UH, YOU KNOW, SOME OF THE CHALLENGES THAT, THAT SHE MENTIONED WITH THE SITE, THE SITE IS BISECTED RIGHT IN THE MIDDLE, SO IT REALLY CHALLENGES IT TO DEVELOP THE SITE AS A WHOLE. BUT WE'RE ABLE TO BREAK THE BUILDING UP INTO TWO BUILDINGS, REALLY CREATE THAT PEDESTRIAN EXPERIENCE THROUGH THERE AND USE IT AS AN ADVANTAGE INSTEAD OF A DISADVANTAGE. UH, AND THEN THE PROPERTY OF THE SOUTH, AND I MAY, IT'S A LITTLE, IT'S ACTUALLY ON THE, ON THE NEW SLIDE, BUT THE PROPERTY OF THE SOUTH THAT SOMEBODY HAS MENTIONED, THERE'S, THERE'S THREE EASEMENTS THAT BISECT IT. SO WE'VE STUDIED IT PRETTY CLOSELY TOO. I MEAN IT, I GUESS GUESS IT COULD BE DEVELOPED, BUT I THINK THERE'S ABOUT 0.2 ACRES THAT YOU CAN DEVELOP IN A LITTLE CENTER OF A TRIANGLE JUST GIVEN ALL THE INFRASTRUCTURE THAT'S GOING ON. SO WE DON'T BELIEVE THAT'LL BE A NEGATIVE USE GOING FORWARD. I DON'T, I DON'T PERSONALLY DON'T SEE THAT BEING DEVELOPED. UH, BUT WE HAVE ADDRESSED THAT WITH LANDSCAPING ON THAT SIDE. UH, THEN WE'LL GO MORE SPECIFIC TO OUR SITE PLAN AND ADDRESS A FEW OF THE ISSUES WITH E H E AND KIND OF SEE HOW OUR SITE IS DEVELOPED. BUT ON THE EAST SIDE, ALONG J P I, AS SHE MENTIONED, WE HAVE PARALLEL PARKING, SOME FOOT SIDEWALK, UH, YOU KNOW, REALLY ANOTHER PEDESTRIAN WAY FOR PEOPLE TO GET NORTH AND SOUTH TO DOWNTOWN TO SOUTH, JUST LIKE THE HIKING BIKE TRAIL ON THE WEST SIDE. UH, AS SHE MENTIONED, OUR GARAGE IS ON THE SOUTH SIDE TO MITIGATE NOISE FROM ONE 90 AND ALSO THE SOUTH, WHAT I'M CALLING THE SOUTH BLOCK. SO SOUTH OF THAT EASEMENT, THERE ARE NO BALCONIES, UH, FACING EAST, WEST OR INSIDE THE COURT, INSIDE THE COURTYARD. ALL BALCONIES ARE ON THE NORTH BUILDING ARE FACING NORTH ON THAT B BLOCK. UH, SO THAT GIVES YOU A LITTLE IDEA HOW WE'RE MITIGATING THE NOISE ISSUES AND JUST, YOU KNOW, KIND OF A POINT OF REFERENCE, WE'RE STILL OWNERS IN THE PROPERTY NEXT DOOR. YOU KNOW, WE'VE OWNED IT SINCE 2006 WHEN WE OPENED IT. WE'VE NEVER HAD ANY PROBLEMS WITH ANY NOISE COMPLAINTS OR LIVABILITY OR ANYTHING. SO THAT'S JUST KIND OF A POINT, UH, TO MAKE THERE. UH, AND YOU CAN KIND OF SEE ON HERE, THEY'RE GRAPHICALLY SHOWN, BUT THE, THE LANDSCAPE ABOVE FROM THE NORTH AND SOUTH END, AND JUST OUR LAST SLIDE HERE, YOU KNOW, WHY, WHY WE THINK, YOU KNOW, A REDEVELOPMENT MAKES SENSE HERE. NO SINGLE FAMILY ADJACENCY, YOU KNOW, THE SOUTHERN GATEWAY AS I MENTIONED, YOU KNOW, THEY WERE GREAT USES 60 YEARS AGO, BUT TODAY THERE'S A BETTER USE FOR THAT SOUTHERN GATEWAY AS YOU TRANSITION, YOU KNOW, WHAT THE CITY WANTS TO SEE GOING FROM THE CORRIDOR, GOING INTO DOWNTOWN WITH ALL THE NEW TRANSIT AND THIS, THE SITE CONSTRAINTS. I MEAN, THERE'S A, AS WE MENTIONED, THERE'S A LOT OF SITE CONSTRAINTS. YOU KNOW, THE, THE BEAUTY ABOUT MULTIFAMILY, WE CAN WORK AROUND THOSE ITEMS. UH, YOU KNOW, WE MENTIONED, YOU KNOW, JUST AN ASSEMBLAGE, SO IT'S JUST A LOT OF COMPLEXITY THERE. BUT, UH, CONNOR, YOU WANT TO SPEAK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE COMP PLAN HERE. GOOD EVENING. CONNOR OSBORNE WITH INTRINSIC AS WELL. UM, JUST WANTED TO DIVE INTO THE COMP PLAN ITEMS IN A LITTLE MORE DETAIL, UM, GIVEN THAT'S ANALYSIS WE HEARD FROM PLANNING. SO, UM, OVER THE LAST SIX MONTHS, WE'VE, WE'VE REALLY WORKED HARD WITH STAFF TO, TO TAILOR THAT PD THAT'S IN THE ORDINANCE TO THIS PARTICULAR SITE. UM, AND WE'VE REALLY TRIED HARD TO INCORPORATE EVERY SUGGESTION AND AND DESIRE OF STAFF SO THAT WE COULD CHECK AS MANY COMP PLANT BOXES AS POSSIBLE TO DISTILL IT DOWN TO JUST THESE COUPLE ISSUES THAT WE'RE GONNA TALK ABOUT. SO THERE'S REALLY, THIS IS A SLIGHTLY DATED SLIDE, I APOLOGIZE FOR THAT. BUT THERE'S REALLY, REALLY THREE THINGS, UM, THAT WE HAVE NOT BEEN ABLE TO MEET THAT THE COMPLAINT ASKS OF US. AND ONE OF THOSE IS THE T O D DESIGNATION THAT WILL, WILL SPEAK ABOUT A LITTLE BIT. UM, BUT THE FIRST, THE PRIMARY ONE IS THE MIX OF USES, UM, REALLY THE HOUSING MIX OF USES IN THE COMP PLAN. THE COMP PLAN FORESEES THE DOWNTOWN CORRIDOR BEING 90% MULTI-FAMILY AND 10% SINGLE FAMILY. THAT'S THE HIGHEST MULTI-FAMILY CONCENTRATION OUT OF ANY FUTURE LAND USE DISTRICT, UM, IN THE COMP PLAN. AND IT MAKES SENSE BECAUSE THE DOWNTOWN CORRIDOR IS THE MOST URBAN DISTRICT IN PLANO. SO IT'S GOING TO GOING TO RECEIVE MORE MULTI-FAMILY INTEREST SERVED BY FOUR TRANSIT STOPS. UM, SO [01:15:01] WE THINK, WE THINK IT ACTUALLY MAKES SENSE FOR, GIVEN THE ABILITY TO KIND OF CLEAN UP THIS, THIS PART OF, UH, THE BLOCK TO ACTUALLY EXCEED THE 90% IN THIS CASE. UM, AND I'D SAY LASTLY, YOU KNOW, WE HOPE TO SEE MORE SINGLE FAMILY DELIVERED HERE, BUT I THINK IT'LL BE IN SMALL LITTLE BITES HERE AND THERE KIND OF A CREATIVE TOWN HOME DEVELOPMENT OR THE, THE CUSTOM HOME HERE AND THERE. BUT, UH, THE MIX WILL CONTINUE TO BE PROBABLY MORE MULTI-FAMILY AS WE DELIVER, YOU KNOW, 300 UNITS AND, AND BIGGER CHUNKS. UM, SO THAT'S THE MIX OF USES. THE, THE SECOND ITEM WE'VE NOT BEEN ABLE TO, UM, YOU KNOW, FULLY MEET IS THE ENVIRONMENTAL HEALTH AREA. WE'RE IN EHA TWO. UM, WE'RE CLOSE TO THE HIGHWAY. WE'RE CLOSE TO TRANSIT. WE VIEW THAT AS A POSITIVE FOR THIS SITE, GIVEN WE GET PEOPLE WHERE THEY NEED TO GO QUICKLY. AND I THINK RESIDENTS WILL APPRECIATE THAT LIKE THEY DID NEXT DOOR. UM, BUT BECAUSE THIS EHA WAS NEW TO US, IT WASN'T PART OF OUR DEVELOPMENT. UM, NEXT DOOR, WE WERE LEANING ON STAFF'S DIRECTION, UM, IN A BIG WAY HERE TO DESIGN THROUGH THOSE MITIGATION MEASURES. SO ADAM TALKED ABOUT PUTTING OUR GARAGE IN THE SOUTH SIDE. THAT'S NOT AN IDEAL LOCATION FOR IT, BUT IT BLOCKS A LOT OF NOISE BEING THERE, RIGHT? SO IT'S HELPFUL TO OUR RESIDENTS. WE STRIPPED OFF THE BALCONIES IN THE SOUTH SOUTHERN BUILDING AND, AND HAVE DONE SOME THINGS WITH, UH, AIR FILTRATION TO, TO MAKE THIS A MORE LIVABLE SITE. AND THEN THE THIRD, REALLY THE THIRD ITEM, UM, THAT WAS DISCUSSED IN DETAIL WAS, WAS THE DENSITY OF THIS PROJECT. SO WE'RE SITTING AT 65 UNITS PER ACRE. IF YOU DON'T, IF YOU DON'T CONSIDER THIS T O D, THEN WE'RE ABOVE THE RECOMMENDED DENSITY. BUT IF YOU DO, THAT WOULD BUMP US UP TO, UH, A HUNDRED UNITS PER ACRE CAP, THEN WE WOULD BE FINE. SO, UM, P AND Z FELT IT WAS A T O D SITE BECAUSE RICHARDSON AND, AND PLANO KIND OF SHARE THAT STOP DOWN AT CITYLINE BUSH. AND A LOT OF OUR RESIDENTS NEXT DOOR ACTUALLY WALKED DOWN THERE. SO, UM, WE VIEW IT AS AN INTEGRAL PART OF THE, KIND OF THE TRANSIT CORRIDOR THROUGHOUT, UM, THIS AREA. AND WOULD ASK THAT COUNCIL ALSO VIEW IT AS T O D TO KIND OF REMOVE THAT, UM, THAT ITEM. AND THEN, UH, ULTIMATELY WE'RE ASKING, UM, COUNCIL TO VIEW THIS RE REZONING REQUEST THROUGH TWO LENSES IS, UH, ONE BEING THE GUIDING PRINCIPLES, WHICH WE BELIEVE OUR PLAN IS ALIGNED WITH PLANO TODAY, PLANO 2050 AND PLANO TOGETHER. AND THEN TWO, UH, THE OTHER LENS IS, IS THIS REQUEST, THIS ZONING DECISION SUBSTANTIALLY BENEFICIAL TO THE IMMEDIATE NEIGHBORHOOD, THE SURROUNDING COMMUNITY AND THE GENERAL PUBLIC INTEREST. OUR IMMEDIATE NEIGHBORS ON THE EAST AND WEST, UM, THE HOTELS IN FULL SUPPORT OF US, UH, THE CONTROLLING PARTNER IN AURA ONE 90, UM, HAS SENT IN A LETTER, EVEN THOUGH WE'LL NOW BE KIND OF COMPETING WITH THEM WITH MORE MULTI-FAMILY, THEY'RE EAGER TO SEE THESE SPECIAL USE PERMITS REMOVED AND KIND OF THE AREA CLEANED UP, UM, AND KIND OF BE A BETTER NEIGHBOR FOR THOSE PROJECTS. AND THEN SECONDLY, OUR PROJECT IS BENEFICIAL TO THE D THE SURROUNDING DOWNTOWN PLANO COMMUNITY. THERE'S MANY BUSINESS OWNERS EAGER FOR MORE RESIDENTS TO SUSTAIN AND GROW THEIR DOWNTOWN BUSINESSES AS THIS PORTION OF THE CITY TRANSITIONS AWAY FROM ITS MORE INDUSTRIAL PAST INTO SOMETHING MORE LIVABLE. AND, UH, AND LASTLY, THE GENERAL PUBLIC BENEFITS FROM OUR PROPOSAL BY HAVING A, A NEW INVITING SOUTHERN GATEWAY AND, AND MORE WALKABLE HOUSING OPTIONS. THOSE ARE, UH, SOMEWHAT LIMITED IN THE CITY RIGHT NOW. HERE'S THE TWO, UH, SUPPORT LETTERS FROM THE HOTEL ON THE LEFT AND THEN THE CONTROLLING PARTNER IN OR ONE 90 ON THE RIGHT. AND THEN, THEN LASTLY, IN CLOSING, UM, BEFORE WE GET TO ANY QUESTIONS, UH, I KNOW, UH, I DROVE PAST IT ON THE WAY UP DART SILVER LINE STATIONS, MAKING GREAT PROGRESS RIGHT THERE. IT'S EXCITING TO SEE, UH, WITH THAT, I KNOW P AND Z AND STAFF ARE ACTUALLY AC STUDYING, UH, THOSE AREAS AROUND THOSE STATIONS, AND REALLY THE WHOLE CORRIDOR TOGETHER TO SEE WHAT MAKES SENSE FOR MAYBE ADDING MORE DENSITY AROUND THERE, UH, LOOKING AT REZONING EFFORTS. SO WE'RE A LITTLE AHEAD OF THAT PROCESS, BUT I THINK, UM, THIS IS REALLY AN EXCELLENT OPPORTUNITY FOR THE COUNCIL TO VOTE IN FAVOR OF A POSITIVE REDEVELOPMENT AT A REALLY, WHAT'S CURRENTLY KIND OF A BLIGHTED SITE AT A HIGHLY VISIBLE SOUTHERN BAN OF THE CITY. DOING SO WOULD BE AN EXCELLENT STEP TOWARD REALIZING THE COMP PLAN'S VISION FOR A MORE ACCESSIBLE, WALKABLE, AND UNIFIED DOWNTOWN CORRIDOR. THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME. WE'LL, THANK YOU. TAKE ANY QUESTIONS TOGETHER. APPRECIATE IT. ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT? MAYOR, PROTO? SO YOU MENTIONED MOVING ALL THE BALCONIES TO THE NORTH. SO ON THAT FARTHEST NORTH SIDE, WILL THERE BE BALCONIES OVERLOOKING THE, A MINOR VEHICLE REPAIR SHOP ON THE NORTH SIDE? THE NORTH SIDE? THERE WILL BE BALCONIES ON THAT SIDE. OKAY. WE'VE GOT, I'M TRYING TO REMEMBER OUR, YOU KNOW, WE'VE GOT, WE'VE GOT LANDSCAPING OUT IN FRONT OF OUR BUILDING. WE'VE GOT PARKING, WE'VE GOT THE FIRE LANE, AND THEN WE HAVE THE 10 FOOT LANDSCAPE BUFFER. SO I THINK WE'RE BACK ABOUT, I DON'T KNOW, RAH YOU REMEMBER HOW MANY FEET? 303? [01:20:02] NO, I THINK IT'S 300. YOU TALKING ABOUT THE NORTH, THE NORTH SIDE. I THINK WE'RE, I THINK WE'RE ABOUT, ABOUT 65 FEET FROM THE NORTH SIDE WITH, YOU KNOW, WITH THE BUFFER, IF YOU'RE LOOKING NORTH TO SOUTH ON THE, ON THE SITE PLAN, YOU'VE GOT THE 10 FOOT LANDSCAPE BUFFER. YOU'VE GOT THE PARKING SPOTS THAT ARE 18 TO 20 FEET. YOU'VE GOT THE FIRE LANE THAT ARE 24 FEET, AND THEN WE HAVE ANOTHER 10 FOOT BUFFER WITH SIDEWALK PLANTING IN OUR BUILDING. SO THAT NORTH SIDE WILL HAVE BALCONIES. ONE ITEM OF NOTE, WHEN YOU'RE LOOKING AT THIS PLANT, THE YELLOW IS OUR PLANNED AMENITY AREAS. SO, YOU KNOW, 50% OF THAT NORTH SIDE WILL BE AMENITY AREAS AND NOT NECESSARILY SOMEBODY'S BALCONY. UH, SO THAT'LL BE MITIGATED, YOU KNOW, THROUGH, THROUGH THAT, YOU KNOW, THROUGH THOSE ITEMS, IF THAT MAKES SENSE. OKAY. THANK YOU GUYS. APPRECIATE IT. THANKS VERY MUCH. ANY OTHER, ALL RIGHT. CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING CONFINE THE COMMENTS TO THE COUNCIL. SORRY, MUTE. GO AHEAD. OKAY. MY, WELL, I, I THINK THIS AREA OF PLANO REALLY NEEDS SOME REVITALIZATION. AND SO, UM, I, I, I THINK IT'S, IT'S GREAT TO SEE THAT, UH, SOMEBODY WANTS TO COME IN AND REVITALIZE IT. SO, UM, I WOULD BE IN SUPPORT OF, UM, OF THIS REQUEST. SO I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE. HOLD ON. I KNOW I'LL SECOND IT FOR THE PURPOSE OF KEEPING IT MOVING. LET ME, LET ME HAVE, ANTHONY'S GOT A QUESTION. OH, THANK, THANK YOU, MAYOR. UH, I WAS JUST GONNA MAKE MY COMMENTS ON THE PROOF POLICY, SAY THANK YOU TO THE APPLICANT FOR, UM, PUTTING SO MUCH THOUGHT INTO THE, INTO THE APPLICATION AND, UH, FOR WORKING WITH THE STAFF ON ALL OF THE CHANGES THAT WERE MADE, PARTICULARLY ENVIRONMENTAL MITIGATION AND, UH, LOOKING AT ALL OF THE FACTORS UNDER THE COMP PLAN. UM, I DO THINK THERE ARE A LOT OF, UH, PLUSES HERE. UM, YOU KNOW, I, I WOULD HIGHLIGHT THAT WITH, UH, SCHOOLS IN THIS AREA UNDER CAPACITY, THIS WOULD CERTAINLY BE A PLUS FOR THE SCHOOLS. UM, YOU KNOW, UH, I THINK ALSO THE LOCATION, PARTICULARLY THE T O D ELEMENT AND THE, UH, THE REDEVELOPMENT THAT THE MAYOR PRO TEM HIGHLIGHTED THO, THOSE ARE, THOSE ARE POSITIVES. UM, YOU KNOW, THE, THE TRAFFIC OBVIOUSLY WOULD INCREASE SOMEWHAT THAT, THAT, THAT'S A NEGATIVE THOUGH, NOT THE, THE MOST SIGNIFICANT FACTOR IN MY ANALYSIS. UM, AS I LOOKED AT THIS, UM, YOU KNOW, REALLY THE, THE, THE KEY, UH, FACTOR TO ME IS, IS THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. AND UNDER THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, UH, YOU KNOW, IT DOESN'T MEET THE DASHBOARDS. AND SO TO ME, FOR IT TO BE SOMETHING THAT WE WOULD MAKE FINDINGS ABOUT TO, TO SAY, YOU KNOW, THIS IS A REASON TO DEVIATE FROM THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, IT WOULD HAVE TO BE A CRITICAL, YOU KNOW, REDEVELOPMENT. I, I VIEW IT AS A, A BENEFICIAL REDEVELOPMENT, CERTAINLY, BUT I, I DON'T VIEW IT AS, AS A CRITICAL REDEVELOPMENT. THE EXISTING USES MAY NOT BE THE MOST FLASHY, BUT THEY'RE, THEY'RE NOT, NOT ESPECIALLY PERNICIOUS OR, OR RAPIDLY DETERIORATING LIKE WE'VE SEEN IN SOME OTHER AREAS WHERE WE'VE GONE ABOVE AND BEYOND, UM, TO, YOU KNOW, TO DEVIATE FROM, FROM THE COMP PLAN TO SUPPORT REDEVELOPMENT. UM, AND, AND I DO THINK THERE ARE POTENTIALLY OTHER USES, MAYBE EVEN INDUSTRIAL USES, YOU KNOW, THERE COULD BE AN AMAZON, YOU KNOW, SMALL DISTRIBUTION WAREHOUSE OR, YOU KNOW, MAYBE SOME OTHER TYPE OF, UH, YOU KNOW, TECHNOLOGICAL USE HERE. UM, BUT ANYWAY, I LOOK ALSO AT THE, THE FACT THAT WE'RE ALREADY MORE THAN THE 2000 UNITS, UM, THAT, THAT, UH, I THINK WE'RE ENVISIONED BY THE, THE DOWNTOWN VISION, UH, BACK IN 1999. UM, AND, UH, YOU KNOW, AND, AND ALSO THINK OF MY, MY VOTE ON THE, THE FIRST BAPTIST CASE WHERE IT WAS THE SAME DEAL, YOU KNOW, KIND OF JUST A, A REDEVELOPMENT THAT BRINGS MULTI-FAMILY WITHOUT A MIX OF USES. I VOTED NO ON THAT. SO I, I'LL STAY CONSISTENT, BUT IN CLOSING, I JUST, YOU KNOW, I WANNA SAY THAT I, I THINK THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN IS, IS REALLY IMPORTANT. SO I, I REALLY APPRECIATE WHAT YOU GUYS ARE DOING. UM, BUT YOU KNOW, WE, UH, THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN HAS FLEXIBILITY. WE'VE ALREADY USED THAT FLEXIBILITY TO MAKE FINDINGS, BUT THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN DOES MATTER. AND I, YOU KNOW, I'M CONCERNED THAT WE MIGHT MAKE IT TOO ROUTINE TO MAKE FINDINGS TO SAY, YOU KNOW, WE'RE GOING TO DEVIATE FROM THE DASHBOARDS FOR THIS REASON, FOR THAT REASON. UH, YOU KNOW, I LOOK AT THIS AND IT'S, IT'S MARKET RATES. SO IT'S NOT NECESSARILY, UH, MAKING THE LEVEL OF IMPACT ON HOUSING AFFORDABILITY THAT THE OTHER DEVELOPMENT WHERE WE MADE FINDINGS DID. AND, YOU KNOW, I WOULD HIGHLIGHT THAT, THAT, YOU KNOW, EVEN AFTER ALL OF THE GREAT WORK THAT YOU GUYS DID WITH THE STAFF, WHICH I REALLY APPRECIATE, THE STAFF REPORT STILL SAYS THERE ARE SIGNIFICANT CHALLENGES POSED BY MULTIFAMILY RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT WITHIN THE SUBJECT PROPERTY, AND SUMS UP A, A LIST OF THOSE CHALLENGES BY SAYING THAT DUE TO THE ISSUES ABOVE THE SUBJECT, PROPERTY IS NOT APPROPRIATE FOR MULTI-FAMILY RESIDENTIAL USE. SO, WHILE I, I APPRECIATE HOW HARD Y'ALL HAVE WORKED WITH THE STAFF AND ALL OF THE PLUSES THAT THIS BRINGS, [01:25:01] I THINK ULTIMATELY I WOULD GO BACK TO THAT STATEMENT THAT THIS SUBJECT PROPERTY IS NOT APPROPRIATE REALLY FOR RESIDENTIAL USE. AND, UH, UM, AND, AND ALSO THE DASHBOARDS IN THE COMPREHENSIVE PLANTS ALL HAVE TO VOTE. NOW, DEPUTY MAYOR, I RESPECTFULLY DISAGREE WITH, UM, UH, COUNCILMAN ELLI. I, I BELIEVE THAT, UM, EAST PLANO HAS WAITED 30 SOMETHING YEARS FOR SOMETHING TO BE DEVELOPED IN THAT AREA, SPECIFICALLY SOMETHING THAT ASHLEY PS ARE PLANNING AND ZONING, UM, FOR, IN WHICH THEY AGREE THAT IT IS, UM, CRUCIAL TO THE DIRECT, UH, TO THE DEVELOPMENT AND FOR T O D REASONS THEY HAVE APPROVED. UM, I ALSO, I, I JUST HAVE A COMMENT. I, BECAUSE THIS PIECE OF PROPERTY IS, UM, IS DIRECTLY IN FRONT OF A VERY VISIBLE HIGHWAY, I, I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THAT SOME HEART AND SOME PASSION BE PUT INTO IT SO THAT WHATEVER IS ULTIMATELY DEVELOPED THERE WOULD REPRESENT THE CITY OF PLANO. JUST BECAUSE THERE IS A HIGH DEMAND RIGHT NOW FOR, UM, RENTAL PROPERTIES, DOESN'T MEAN THAT YOU HAVE TO HURRY IT UP AND GET SOMETHING SLAPPED TOGETHER AND PUT UP LIKE A BARRACK IN ORDER FOR, UM, PEOPLE TO MOVE IN QUICKLY. I, I THINK THAT ULTIMATELY THE MORE, UM, CARE AND, AND, UM, AND DETAILS THAT YOU PUT INTO SOME TYPE OF BUILDING THAT WILL REPRESENT PLANO, AND HAVING PEOPLE WHO ARE DRIVING BY IN THAT HIGHWAY AREA SEE THAT THAT'S A VERY REPRESENT, UH, REPRESENTATIVE OF PLANO WILL REALLY, ULTIMATELY HELP YOU AND FELT AND HELP PLANO IN, UM, IN ENCOURAGING MORE THIS TYPE OF DEVELOPMENT. SO I, I HOPE THAT YOU WILL NOT BE THE, THE, UM, THE, THE CAUSE OF OUR DEVIATING FROM OUR FINDINGS, UH, RATHER, BUT A, A, UH, INSTA, INSTA, UH, SOMETHING THAT ACTUALLY INSTIGATE US FROM, UH, STARTING TO SEE MORE OF DIFFERENT TYPES OF DEVELOPMENT THAT COULD HAPPEN AROUND THAT AREA. SO I, I WHOLEHEARTEDLY, UM, SUPPORT THIS TYPE OF, UM, DEVIATION FROM OUR PLANNING AND ZONING, UM, UH, COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. AND I, I, I ABSOLUTELY APPRECIATE THE FACT THAT YOU GUYS ARE WILLING TO, TO DEVELOP THESE, THOUGH. THANK YOU SO MUCH. THANK YOU. COUNCIL MEMBER SMITH, COUNCIL MEMBER HOMER. WELL, I ALSO WILL EXPRESS MY SUPPORT FOR THIS AREA. I THOUGHT THE PLANNING AND ZONING, UM, COMMISSION WERE VERY THOUGHTFUL IN THEIR EVALUATION OF THIS PROJECT, AND I AGREED WITH ALL OF THE, UM, THEIR, THEIR FINDINGS. UM, DEFINITELY IS A A T O D AREA. I THINK, UH, THIS DEVELOPMENT IS MUCH BETTER THAN WHAT'S THERE RIGHT NOW. IT'LL PRESENT A BETTER GATEWAY TO PLANO REPRESENT PLANO BETTER. IT'S DEFINITELY EASY ACCESS TO TRANSIT, IT'S PEDESTRIAN FRIENDLY. I LOVE THAT IT'S EASY ACCESS TO, UH, THE PARKS AND THE TRAILS. SO I APPRECIATE ALL THE THOUGHT THAT'S BEEN PUT INTO MAKING THIS, UM, SOMETHING THAT WILL MAKE, UM, THE ENTRANCE INTO PLANO MORE WELCOMING, AND, AND I'M SUPPORTIVE AS WELL. THANK YOU. THANK YOU, MAYOR. UM, I ALSO, I MEAN, I WATCHED THE, THE, THE WHOLE P N Z, UH, MEETING, AND I THINK EVERYTHING WE KNOW IT, THIS REAL, THIS DOES FIT AND THE, UH, TRANSIT-ORIENTED DESIGN, YOU KNOW, IF ANYTHING DOES, AND AS I SAY, I, I'VE LIVED HERE WELL OVER 30, 30 YEARS, NO OFFENSE TO THE EXISTING OWNERS, BUT THIS HAS BEEN A BLIGHT FOR THAT WHOLE TIME. I MEAN, YOU KNOW, YOU JUST WAIT AND IT'S SOMETHING, WHAT'S GONNA GO THERE, WHAT'S GONNA GO THERE, HOTEL, HERE, APARTMENT, SOMETHING OVER THERE? NOTHING. UH, SO I THINK THAT THE FACT THAT WE HAVE, UH, A, UH, REPUTABLE GROUP COMING IN THAT HAS EXPERIENCE DOING THIS TYPE OF PROJECT IS WILLING TO, TO MAKE THE INVESTMENT THERE, UH, IS, IS GONNA BE A BENEFIT. IT WILL GIVE ADDITIONAL HOUSING IN AN AREA WHERE IT'S NOT, AS YOU SAID, IN RESIDENTIAL MULTI-FAMILY, YOU KNOW, BACKYARDS. I THINK THAT'S, THAT'S, THAT'S VERY GOOD. UH, AND IT, UH, IT WILL FIT IN, I BELIEVE, WITH THE, UH, UH, WITH THE SURROUNDINGS. ONE THING I WOULD AMPLIFY THAT, UH, DEPUTY MAYOR MENTIONED, DO PUT SOME IMAGINATION IN IT. UH, YOU KNOW, I, I KNOW YOU'VE ALREADY GOT RENDERING EVERYTHING QUICK, BUT THIS IS AN ENTRY POINT, YOU KNOW, TO, TO THE CITY. DON'T, DON'T DO THE, THE BERLIN BOX APARTMENTS THAT, THAT YOU SEE UP AND GOING UP AND DOWN, YOU KNOW, 75, DO SOMETHING WITH A LITTLE STYLE TO IT. UH, YOU KNOW, THAT THAT'S WILL BE THE BIGGEST PLUS YOU CAN DO FOR US, IS MAKE IT WELCOMING AND ATTRACTIVE, YOU KNOW, TO THIS PART OF TOWN. BECAUSE I THINK THIS HOPEFULLY WILL ALSO, UH, STIMULATE FURTHER DEVELOPMENT IN THIS AREA. SO I DON'T, I DON'T THINK YOU'RE, THE, THE NEIGHBORS ON THE, THE NORTH SIDE THERE ARE GONNA BE LOOKING OUT THEIR BALCONIES AT AUTO OR, OR LIKE LITTLE MINI WAREHOUSE KIND OF LOOKING BILLINGS, YOU KNOW, FOR MUCH LONGER. I THINK THIS WILL BE THE IMPETUS TO GET SOME OF THEIR OTHER DEVELOPMENT GOING. SO, SO I'M, I'M IN FAVOR OF IT ALSO, [01:30:01] COUNCILMAN MCGRADY. UM, I APPRECIATE ALL THE COMMENTS ALL THE WAY AROUND, UM, FROM MY PEERS. UM, LONG BEFORE THE LAND BETWEEN PLANO AND RICHARDSON WAS BISECTED BY, UH, ONE 90, UM, THIS WAS BASICALLY THE SOUTH SIDE OF THE TRACKS, UM, AND A PLACE WHERE YOU'D FIND COTTON MILLS AND CORN GINS AND, UM, YOU KNOW, ALL KINDS OF INDUSTRIAL THINGS THAT WOULD, WOULD GO ON ALONGSIDE THE RAILROAD TRACKS. UM, AND, AND SINCE THEN, IT HASN'T REALLY HAD AN OPPORTUNITY TO GROW UP, UH, FOR A LONG PERIOD OF TIME. UM, THE ENTIRE LANDSCAPE THROUGH HERE HAS CHANGED. UM, CERTAINLY WE CAN SEE THAT ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF ONE 90, UM, IN THE NORTHERN PART OF RICHARDSON WHERE CITY LINE IS THERE, STATE FARM IS THERE, UM, AND THEY'VE BUILT UP A VERY NICE COMMUNITY RIGHT AT THAT INTERSECTION. AND I THINK THAT THIS BEGINS TO COMPLEMENT THAT ON THE NORTH SIDE, UH, IN THE, IN THE PLANO AREA. SO HAVING, BEING SOMEONE THAT ACTUALLY LIVED IN BARRACKS, UM, FOR A PERIOD OF TIME, UH, I CAN TELL YOU THAT NO ONE, NO ONE EXCEPT THE UNITED STATES GOVERNMENT COULD BUILD SOMETHING AS UGLY AND NON-FUNCTIONAL AS A BARRACKS . UM, AND, AND I DON'T THINK THEY COULD EVEN GET CLOSE TO DOING THAT ON THIS SITE. SO I'M NOT, I HAVE NO FEAR, UM, THAT, THAT ANY KIND OF DEVELOPMENT HERE WOULD BE CERTAINLY BETTER THAN WHAT IS ALREADY THERE. UM, AND, AND SO I, I AM FULLY IN FAVOR OF THIS DEVELOPMENT. THANK YOU. SO, YEAH, NO, IT, I, I HAVE EVERY REASON TO BELIEVE IT. UH, THIS IS DEFINITELY A TRANSIT-ORIENTED DEVELOPMENT. UH, THE, THE PROXIMITY TO THE RICHARDSON STATION, UH, IS, IS REASON ENOUGH FOR THOSE FINDINGS, UH, BUT MAINLY THE COMPLICATED SITE THAT YOU GUYS ARE CREATING, IT WAS GONNA BE SO HARD FOR ANYBODY TO DO ANYTHING WITH THAT BIG EASEMENT THAT'S RIGHT IN THE MIDDLE. AND YOU GUYS CAME UP WITH A, UH, A, A GREAT IDEA. AND, AND, UH, THIS HAS BEEN AN EYESORE FOR A LONG TIME. I'M SORRY IF ANY OF THE OWNERS ARE HERE, I APOLOGIZE. BUT LET'S, LET'S CALL IT WHAT IT IS. IT, IT HAS BEEN A, A THIS IS A WELCOME OPPORTUNITY TO CONTINUE TO MAKE DOWNTOWN PLANO JUST A, A, A REALLY GREAT PLACE FOR PEOPLE TO COME AND ENJOY AND LIVE, THAT WE KNOW THE DEMAND IS THERE. UM, THE, UH, THE COMPLEX TO THE NORTH OF FERRO BY THE TOLL BROTHERS FILLED UP IN A MONTH. AND SO I KNOW THE DEMAND IS THERE. UH, AND WE ARE, WE'RE HAVING BUSINESSES, UH, COME AND GROW ALL THROUGHOUT, UH, PART OF DOWNTOWN NORTH, SOUTHEAST, AND WEST. AND SO THIS IS JUST ANOTHER OPPORTUNITY, UH, FOR US TO EXPAND DOWNTOWN AND TO MAKE IT, UH, REALLY JUST A, A GREAT PLACE FOR, FOR VISITORS AS WELL AS RESIDENTS. SO, UH, WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND TO, UH, APPROVE AGENDA. ITEM NUMBER TWO, PLEASE VOTE. MOTION PASSES SIX ONE WITH ONE ABSTENTION, HUH? 6 1 6 1. BUT THERE WAS ONE. I THINK I SAID IT RIGHT. YEAH, YOU DID. OKAY. YEAH. SHELBY ABSTAINED. WHAT MINUTE, RECESS. YEAH. WE'RE GONNA TAKE, UH, WE'RE GONNA TAKE A FIVE MINUTE RECESS TO FILL OUT OUR FINDINGS. NUMBER THREE, [(3)  Consideration to rename Oak Point Park Nature and Retreat Center, 5901 Los Rios Blvd., Plano, Texas 75074, to The Nature and Retreat Center at Oak Point Park.           ] CONSIDERATION TO RENAME OAK POINT NATURE PARK, OAK POINT PARK FEATURE AND RETREAT CENTER, 59 0 1 LASUS BOULEVARD, PLANO, TEXAS, TO THE NATURE AND RETREAT CENTER AT OAK POINT PARK. GOOD EVENING. I'M RON SMITH, YOUR PARKS AND RECREATION DIRECTOR. HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU MIGHT HAVE ABOUT THIS STAFF. RECOMMENDED NAME CHANGE OF THIS FACILITY. ANYBODY ELSE WANT TO WORDSMITH THIS ITEM? ? I WANNA MAKE SURE, FIX HIS MAPS. I MOTION, MOTION TO APPROVE. SECOND. I HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND TO APPROVE THE NAME CHANGE TO WHAT IT SAYS RIGHT THERE. TO APPROVE. AGENDA ITEM NUMBER THREE, PLEASE VOTE. VOTE. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. [01:35:02] THAT WAS A SOFTBALL ITEM RIGHT THERE. THANK YOU. NEXT ITEM, ITEM NUMBER FOUR. [(4)  First Reading of an Ordinance to amend Section 3 of Ordinance No. 2003-6-3, Section I of Ordinance No. 2008-4-42, Section I of Ordinance No. 2015-10-17 and Section I of Ordinance No. 2019-11-15 to extend the non-exclusive franchise granted to Denton County Electric Cooperative, Inc., d/b/a CoServ Electric, a Texas electric cooperative corporation, to use the present and future streets, avenues, alleys, roads, highways, sidewalks, easements and other public rights-of-way in the City of Plano, Collin County, Texas, for the purposes of constructing and operating an electric distribution system in the City of Plano; and providing a repealer clause, a severability clause, a publication clause, and an effective date.] FIRST READING OF AN ORDINANCE TO AMEND SECTION THREE OF ORDINANCE 20 20 0 3 DASH SIX DASH THREE, SECTION ONE OF ORDINANCE 2008 DASH FOUR DASH 42, SECTION ONE OF ORDINANCE 2015 DASH 10 DASH 17, AND SECTION ONE OF ORDINANCE 2019 DASH 11 DASH 15. TO EXTEND THE NON-EXCLUSIVE FRANCHISE GRANT TO DENTON COUNTY ELECTRIC COOPERATIVE INCORPORATED, DOING BUSINESS AS COSER ELECTRIC, A TEXAS ELECTRIC COOPERATIVE CORPORATION TO USE PRESENT AND FUTURE STREETS, AVENUES, ALLEYS, ROADS, HIGHWAYS, EASEMENTS, AND OTHER PUBLIC RIGHTS OF WAYS IN THE CITY OF PLANO, COLLIN COUNTY, TEXAS, FOR THE PURPOSE OF CONSTRUCTING AND OPERATING AN ELECTRIC DISTRIBUTION CENTER IN THE CITY OF PLANO, AND PROVIDING A REPEAL CLAUSE, A SEVERABILITY CLAUSE, A PUBLICATION CLAUSE, AND AN EFFECTIVE DATE. WELL, GOOD EVENING, MAYOR AND COUNSEL, ANDREW FORTUNE, UH, DIRECTOR OF POLICY AND GOVERNMENT RELATIONS. UH, THIS IS JUST THE FIRST READING, UM, OF OUR, UH, ORDINANCE TO EXTEND OUR COSER ELECTRIC, UH, FRANCHISE AGREEMENT. UM, AND, UH, WE'RE LOOKING TO EXTEND IT FOR THE PERIOD OF ONE YEAR WHILE WE CAN, WHILE WE CONTINUE TO, UH, NEGOTIATE THE TERMS OF THOSE, THAT AGREEMENT. SO, UH, FAIRLY ROUTINE. BUT I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS. UH, IF YOU HAVE ANY, ANY QUESTIONS FOR ANDREW REQUIRE ACTION. THIS DOESN'T REQUIRE ACTION, SO THIS IS JUST, UH, TO LET YOU KNOW KIND OF WHERE THE PROCESS IS AND WHERE IT'S GOING. ALL RIGHT. IS EVERYBODY OKAY WITH THAT? ALL RIGHT. [(5)   Consideration of a Resolution to repeal Resolution No. 2023-2-2(R) and authorize the City Manager to execute an Interlocal Agreement with the Dallas Area Rapid Transit allowing Plano participation in funding for public transportation system improvements; and providing a repealer clause and an effective date.   ] ITEM NUMBER FIVE. ITEM NUMBER FIVE, CONSIDERATION OF A RESOLUTION TO REPEAL RESOLUTION 2023 DASH TWO DASH TWO R. AND AUTHORIZE THE CITY MANAGER TO EXECUTE AN INTERLOCAL AGREEMENT WITH THE DALLAS AREA RAPID TRANSIT, FOLLOWING PLANO PARTICIPA, ALLOWING PLANO PARTICIPATION IN FUNDING FOR PUBLIC TRANSPORTATION SYSTEM IMPROVEMENTS AND PROVIDING A RE REPE CLAUSE AND AN EFFECTIVE DATE. MAYOR AND COUNCIL, THIS ITEM IS KIM BEFORE YOU BEFORE, AND IT WAS TABLED, UH, DUE TO SOME OF THE LANGUAGE WITHIN THE I L A AFTER GOING BACK AND TALKING WITH DART. DART IS, UH, UNWILLING, UM, TO CHANGE THE LANGUAGE WITHIN THE IRA DUE IR I L A, NOT IRA I L A, DUE TO SOME SPECIFIC REQUIREMENTS THAT THEY'RE TRYING TO ACHIEVE WITH THIS TOWARDS, UM, SOME OTHER CHALLENGES THAT DART HAS FACED ON SOME PROJECT COSTS AND THINGS OF THAT NATURE. SO IN LOOKING AT, UH, THE, THIS DOLLAR AMOUNT, WHICH IS JUST OVER 28 MILLION, THE CITY HAS A COUPLE OF WAYS TO BE ABLE TO MITIGATE THE IMPACTS OF THE IOA. THE FIRST ONE IS TO, UM, MAKE SURE THAT THE CITY HAS THE FINANCIAL FLEXIBILITY TO GET OUT OF THE I O A AT ANY GIVEN TIME. SO INSTEAD OF CAPTURING AND BUDGETING FOR THE BUDGETARY IMPACTS THAT, THAT MIGHT BE CREATED BY THIS 28.4 MILLION, UH, MY RE MY RECOMMENDATION TO THE COUNCIL IS THAT WE TREAT IT, UH, STRICTLY AS A REIMBURSEMENT, BUT DO NOT CHANGE OUR BUDGETARY APPROACH, UH, TO FUNDING THESE PROJECTS SO THAT IF THERE IS A NEED TO GET OUT OF THE I L A AT ANY GIVEN TIME, WE CAN DO SO WITHOUT, UH, IMPACTING PROJECTS THAT WE CURRENTLY HAVE ONGOING, UM, THAT COULD MEET, UH, THE CRITERIA OUTLINED WITHIN THE I L A. THE SECOND ASPECT IS I'VE ASKED STAFF, UH, TO SHIFT GEARS AS FAST AS POSSIBLE INTO FIFTH GEAR, AND SEE HOW FAST WE CAN BURN THROUGH THE MONEY SO THAT WE CAN GET TO THE OTHER END OF THE I L A AS FAST AS HUMANLY POSSIBLE. SO WITH THOSE TWO ASPECTS, UH, OF MITIGATION, UM, I BELIEVE THAT THE CITY CAN CONTINUE TO, TO RETAIN, UH, UH, A CERTAIN LEVEL OF CONTROL WITHIN HOW WE'RE, UH, MANAGING THIS. AND WE SHOULD BE ABLE TO, UM, RECAPTURE AS MUCH OF THE, UH, SALES TAX THAT WAS GENERATED FROM PLANO, COMING BACK TO PLANO AS FAST AS POSSIBLE. SO THAT'S MY RECOMMENDATION. THANKS. THIS IS, UH, THIS IS OUR MONEY, AND, UH, I APPRECIATE, UH, BEING EXPEDIENT ABOUT MOVING ALONG WITH IT, MAKING SURE, UH, OUR BOARD MEMBERS, PAUL, WAGE MAN AND NATHAN BARBERA HAVE ASSURED US THEY WILL, UH, MONITOR IT ALL THE WAY THROUGH AND MAKE SURE THAT, YOU KNOW, UH, WE, WE HAVE THE ACCESS TO THE FUNDS. SO, UH, YOU HAD A QUESTION OR COMMENT? YEAH, JUST A QUICK CLARIFYING QUESTION. SO, IN A NUTSHELL, WE GET MONEY BACK FROM DART, WE HAVE TO SPIN IT QUICKLY TO BE SURE THAT WE GET ALL THE FUNE. YES. AMEN. WHAT, WHAT? HOLD ON. KATZMAN WILLIAMS. UH, THANK YOU. SO THE BIG HANGUP I HAVE ON THIS I L A IS THE UNCHANGED LANGUAGE, WHICH SAYS, CITI AGREES TO WORK COLLABORATIVELY, COLLABORATIVELY WITH DART EMPLOYEES AND CONTRACTORS, UM, AND EMPLOY, EMPLOY [01:40:01] ITS BEST EFFORTS TO ASSIST DART IN ACHIEVING ITS GOALS. COULD OUR CURRENT EFFORTS IN THE STATE LEGISLATURE BE CONSTRUED A, UM, VIOLATION OF THE I L A? SO COUNCILMAN PART OF THE CHALLENGE WITH THIS I L A AS IT'S HEAVILY WEIGHTED TOWARDS DART'S INTERPRETATION OF THINGS, BUT IN TALKING WITH DART, UH, IN TALKING WITH OUR BOARD MEMBERS, WE'VE BEEN, UM, UH, REASSURED THAT THAT SHOULD NOT BE THE CASE, BUT I DON'T WANNA MAKE PROMISES ON THEIR BEHALF. SO I WOULD SAY YES, I'VE BEEN ASSURED MANY THINGS OVER THE YEARS, YES. SO I WOULD SAY THAT WE'RE, UM, WE'RE WORKING IN GOOD FAITH, THAT THAT WOULD BE THE CASE, THAT WE WOULD NOT BE LIMITED IN OUR ABILITY TO WORK WITH THE LEGISLATURE TO CURE ISSUES THAT WE SEE, UM, FROM A STATUTORY PERSPECTIVE. SO THAT'S OUR INTENT. SO I WANNA UNDER MAKE SURE I UNDERSTAND WHAT WE'RE POSITING HERE IS THAT FOR ALL OF THE PROJECTS HERE, WE PROGRAM THESE AS THOUGH WE WERE NOT GOING TO BE RECEIVING ANY REIMBURSEMENT. THEY'RE OUR OWN PROJECTS, THE SAME AS WE WOULD PUT THEM IN THE C I P AND THEN, UM, MOVE ON THEM AS QUICKLY AS POSSIBLE, SUBMIT FOR REIMBURSEMENT, ANY REIMBURSEMENT WE GET, WE CONSIDER A WINDFALL. YES. YES, SIR. FIRE PROGRAM YOU'VE DONE. OKAY. COUNCILMAN ELLI. SO, JU JUST, JUST A COUPLE OF QUICK QUESTIONS FIRST. YOU KNOW, WHEN WE INITIALLY CONSIDERED THIS, A NUMBER OF CITIES HAD EXPRESSED CONCERNS MM-HMM. , AND WERE TAKING THE SAME STEP THAT WE DID TO TABLE IT. DO WE KNOW HOW THOSE OTHER CITIES ARE PROCEEDING AT THIS TIME? UH, THERE WERE TWO CITIES OUTSTANDING TO PASS THIS AT THIS POINT. ONE WAS PLAN, OH, ONE WAS DALLAS. OKAY. AND E EVERYBODY ELSE WHO EXPRESSED CONCERNS AT THAT TIME HAS MOVED FORWARD. OKAY. GOTCHA. AND, UH, ALONG THE LINES OF THE QUESTION, THE COUNCIL MEMBER WILLIAMS, UH, ASKED ABOUT THINGS THAT COULD BE CONSTRUED AS NOT HELPING GART ACHIEVE ITS GOALS. UH, YOU KNOW, WE HAD A SITUATION WHERE WE, UH, DID NOT USE IMMINENT DOMAIN IMMEDIATELY WHEN DART REQUESTED US TO DO SO. AND I THINK IT PRODUCED A VERY POSITIVE OUTCOME WHERE DART ENGAGED IN NEGOTIATIONS THAT PRODUCED AN OUTCOME THAT WAS ACCEPTABLE TO THE LANDOWNER AND TO DART, UH, SHOULD SUCH A, A SITUATION ARISE AGAIN DURING THE CONSTRUCTION OF THE SILVER LINE OR ANOTHER PROJECT. WOULD THAT ACTION BE CONSTRUED AS A VIOLATION OF THIS AGREEMENT? UM, AGAIN, COUNCILMAN, I, I APPRECIATE THE QUESTION. I THINK WE'LL, WE'LL HAVE TO, WE'RE PUTTING SOME FAITH IN OUR RELATIONSHIP WITH DART IN THIS. OKAY. SO THAT SORT OF ACTION, WHAT I'VE BEEN TOLD IS NO, THAT WOULD NOT. OKAY. UM, SO I THINK THAT THAT IS, YOU KNOW, I'LL HOLD TRUE TO, UH, TO THE, THE COMMENTS THAT HAVE BEEN MADE TO THIS POINT. BUT I THINK HAVING THAT FLEXIBILITY TO END THE I A AND NOT BE DEPENDENT UPON IT FINANCIALLY GIVES US THAT FLEXIBILITY TO CONTINUE TO MAKE THE RIGHT DECISIONS FOR THE COMMUNITY THAT WE NEED TO MAKE. FANTASTIC. WELL, YOU KNOW, I, I, I DON'T LOVE THE FACT THAT, THAT, YOU KNOW, THERE WASN'T A MEET IN THE MIDDLE, BUT, YOU KNOW, I, I DO APPRECIATE THE FUNDS. SO I'LL, I'LL, I'LL VOTE YES ON THIS. I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE BEFORE I SECOND IT. I JUST WANT TO SAY THAT THERE IS A DEFINITION OF PARTNERSHIP, AND I DON'T BELIEVE THAT THIS MEETS THAT DEFINITION, BUT I WILL SECOND THIS. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. I HAVE A MOTION TO SECOND TO APPROVE ITEM, UH, AGENDA ITEM NUMBER FIVE, PLEASE VOTE. MOTION PASSES EIGHT TO ZERO. THERE BEING NO FURTHER BUSINESS MEETINGS ADJOURNED. * This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting.