* This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting. [00:00:01] OKAY. THANK YOU FOR JOINING US TONIGHT. [CALL TO ORDER] THANK YOU FOR TURNING MY MIC ON . UH, APPRECIATE YOU BEING HERE THIS EVENING. HOPEFULLY THIS WILL BE A SHORT MEETING. UM, I WAS TOLD ALREADY BY SOMEBODY THAT THERE'S A TIP OFF TONIGHT FOR SOMETHING. I DON'T KNOW WHAT IT IS, BUT, UH, SO ANYWAY, UH, IF YOU WOULD PLEASE, UH, RISE AND JOIN IN ME IN THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE, I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS, ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE, WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL COMMENTS OF PUBLIC INTEREST. THIS PORTION OF THE MEETING IS TO ALLOW UP TO THREE MINUTES PER SPEAKER WITH 30 TOTAL MINUTES ON ITEMS OF INTEREST OR CONCERN AND NOT ON ITEMS THAT ARE ON THE CURRENT AGENDA. THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION MAY NOT DISCUSS THESE ITEMS, BUT MAY RESPOND WITH ACTUAL OR POLICY INFORMATION. THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION MAY CHOOSE TO PLACE THE ITEM ON A FUTURE AGENDA. THE PRESIDING OFFICER MAY MODIFY THESE TIMES AS DEEMED NECESSARY. DO WE HAVE ANY SPEAKERS ON THIS ITEM? NO, WE DO NOT. THANK YOU. PLEASE MOVE TO CONSENT. [CONSENT AGENDA] CONSENT AGENDA. THE CONSENT AGENDA WILL BE ACTED UPON IN ONE MOTION AND CONTAINS ITEMS WHICH ARE ROUTINE AND TYPICALLY NON-CONTROVERSIAL ITEMS MAY BE REMOVED FROM THIS AGENDA FOR INDIVIDUAL CONSIDERATION BY COMMISSIONERS OR STAFF. DOES ANYONE WANNA PULL AN ITEM FROM CONSENT? I MOVE THAT WE APPROVE THE CONSENT AGENDA AS PRESENTED. SECOND. SO I HAVE A MOTION BY COMMISSIONER BROSKY WITH A SECOND BY COMMISSIONER BRUNHOFF. TO APPROVE THE CONSENT AGENDA, PLEASE VOTE AND WE NEED VOTES. THERE WE GO. SO THAT CARRIES BY VOTE OF SEVEN TO ZERO. PLEASE LET THE RECORD NOTE MR. CAREY WAS UNABLE TO JOIN US, AND TONIGHT WE WELCOME FINALLY OUR NEW COMMISSIONER. MR. LYLE, THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE. MR. LYLE. MOVING ON. ITEMS FOR [1. (PM) Public Hearing - Replat: Billingsley Office Building Addition, Block B, Lots 2R, 3R, & 4 - Professional/general administrative office on three lots on 21.5 acres located on the east side of Plano Parkway, 1,630 feet south of Park Boulevard. Zoned Regional Commercial and located within the Dallas North Tollway Overlay District. Project #R2023-003. Applicant: IBP18 Land, Ltd. and IBP17 Land, Ltd. (Administrative consideration)] INDIVIDUAL CONSIDERATION. PUBLIC HEARING ITEMS, UNLESS INSTRUCTED OTHERWISE BY THE CHAIR, SPEAKERS WILL BE CALLED IN THE ORDER. REGISTRATIONS ARE RECEIVED. APPLICANTS ARE LIMITED TO A TOTAL OF 15 MINUTES OF PRESENTATION TIME WITH A FIVE MINUTE REBUTTAL IF NEEDED. REMAINING SPEAKERS ARE LIMITED TO 30 TOTAL MINUTES OF TESTIMONY TIME WITH THREE MINUTES ASSIGNED PER SPEAKER. THE PRESIDING OFFICER MAY MODIFY THESE TIMES AS DEEMED NECESSARY. ADMINISTRATIVE CONSIDERATION ITEMS MUST BE APPROVED IF THEY MEET CITY DEVELOPMENT REGULATIONS. LEGISLATIVE CONSIDERATION ITEMS ARE MORE DISCRETIONARY EXCEPT AS CONSTRAINED BY LEGAL CONSIDERATION. AGENDA ITEM NUMBER ONE, PUBLIC HEARING. REPLAT BILLINGSLEY, OFFICE BUILDING EDITION BLOCK B LOTS TWO R THREE R AND FOUR PROFESSIONAL GENERAL ADMINISTRATIVE OFFICE ON THREE LOTS ON 21.5 ACRES LOCATED ON THE EAST SIDE OF PLANO PARKWAY, 1,630 FEET SOUTH OF PARK BOULEVARD ZONE REGIONAL COMMERCIAL AND LOCATED WITHIN THE DALLAS NORTH TOLLWAY OVERLAY DISTRICT. APPLICANT IS I B P 18 LAND LIMITED. AND IBP 17 LAND LIMITED. THIS IS FOR ADMINISTRATIVE CONSIDERATION. GOOD EVENING, MR. CHAIR. MEMBERS OF THE COMMISSION. I'M RAJA P. PLANNER WITH THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT. STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF THE REPLAT AS SUBMITTED. I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU MIGHT HAVE. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF ON ITEM ONE? THANK YOU. SEEING NONE, I WILL OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING. DO WE HAVE ANY SPEAKERS ON THIS ITEM? NO, WE DO NOT. THANK YOU. I'LL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING CONFINED DISCUSSION OF THE COMMISSION. I MOVE. WE APPROVE THIS AS SUBMITTED. I'LL SECOND HEAD. I HAVE A MOTION BY COMMISSIONER BROS. GIVER, THE SECOND BY COMMISSIONER OIE TO APPROVE. ITEM ONE IS SUBMITTED, PLEASE VOTE. AND ITEM ONE CARRIES BY A VOTE OF SEVEN TO ZERO. ITEM TWO, AGENDA ITEM NUMBER TWO, PUBLIC [2. (DS) Public Hearing - Replat: Plano/544 Business Park Addition, Block A, Lot 4R - Miniwarehouse and professional/general administrative office on one lot on 5.8 acres located on the east side of Charles Street, 519 feet south of Plano Parkway. Zoned Light Commercial. Project #R2023-007. Applicant: All Storage Plano Parkway, LLC (Administrative consideration)] HEARING. REPLAT PLANO 5 44 BUSINESS PARK EDITION BLOCK. A LOT FOUR R MINI WAREHOUSE AND PROFESSIONAL GENERAL ADMINISTRATIVE OFFICE ON ONE LOT ON 5.8 ACRES. LOCATED ON THE EAST SIDE OF CHARLES STREET. 519 FEET SOUTH OF PLANO PARKWAY. ZONED LIGHT COMMERCIAL APPLICANT IS ALL STORAGE. PLANO PARKWAY, L C. THIS IS FOR ADMINISTRATIVE CONSIDERATION. GOOD EVENING COMMISSIONERS. MY NAME IS DONNA SEPULVEDA, SENIOR PLANNER WITH THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT. THIS ITEM IS RECOMMENDED FOR APPROVAL AS SUBMITTED AND I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS. THANK YOU. ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF ON THIS ITEM? [00:05:01] SEEING NONE, THANK YOU VERY MUCH. I'LL OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING. DO WE HAVE ANY SPEAKERS ON THIS ITEM? NO, WE DO NOT. THANK YOU. CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING TO FIND DISCUSSION TO THE COMMISSION. COME ON MR. LAW. MAKE US A MOTION HERE. WRONG BUTTON. MAKE A MOTION FOR APPROVAL. SUBMITTED. SECOND. ALL RIGHT. SO WE'VE NOW, UH, INITIATED MR. LYLE, WHO'S MADE A MOTION TO APPROVE. ITEM TWO IS SUBMITTED WITH A SECOND BY COMMISSIONER BROSKY. PLEASE VOTE. THERE YOU GO. GOTTA LEARN THE BUTTONS. THAT ITEM CARRIES SEVEN TO ZERO. WE'LL GET YOU BROKE IN NON-PUBLIC HEARING ITEMS. THE PRESIDING OFFICER WILL PERMIT LIMITED PUBLIC COMMENT FOR ITEMS ON THE AGENDA NOT POSTED FOR A PUBLIC HEARING, THE PRESIDING OFFICER WILL ESTABLISH TIME LIMITS BASED UPON THE NUMBER OF SPEAKER REQUESTS, LENGTH OF THE AGENDA, AND TO ENSURE MEETING EFFICIENCY AND MAY INCLUDE A TOTAL TIME LIMIT AGENDA. ITEM NUMBER THREE IS [3. (MZ) Discussion and Action: Call for Public Hearing for amendments to the Parks Master Plan Map, Bicycle Transportation Plan Map, Future Land Use Map, and other related sections of the Comprehensive Plan 2021 associated with an ongoing update of the Parks, Recreation, Trails & Open Space Master Plan. Project #CPH2023-002. Applicant: City of Plano ] DISCUSSION AND ACTION. CALL FOR PUBLIC HEARING FOR AMENDMENTS TO THE PARKS MASTER PLAN MAP, BICYCLE TRANSPORTATION PLAN MAP, FUTURE LAND USE MAP, AND OTHER RELATED SECTIONS OF THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN ASSOCIATED WITH AN ONGOING UPDATE OF THE PARKS, RECREATION TRAILS, AND OPEN SPACE MASTER PLAN. APPLICANT IS CITY OF PLANO. THIS IS FOR ADMINISTRATIVE CONSIDERATION. GOOD EVENING. MY NAME IS MARYAM ZAHIRA, PLANNER WITH THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT. THIS ITEM IS A REQUEST TO CALL A PUBLIC HEARING TO AMEND THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN ASSOCIATED WITH THE UPDATE OF THE PARKS AND RECREATION MASTER PLAN. THE PARKS AND RECREATION DEPARTMENT IS WORKING TO UPDATE THE CITY'S PARK RECREATION TRAILS AND OPEN SPACE MASTER PLAN, ALSO KNOWN AS THE PARKS AND RECREATION MASTER PLAN. THIS DOCUMENT IS THE DEPARTMENT'S LONG-TERM ACTION PLAN THAT PROVIDES GUIDANCE TO THE DEPARTMENT, ESTABLISHES GOALS AND RECOMMENDATIONS AND IDENTIFIES NEEDS RELATED TO BOTH EXISTING AND FUTURE FACILITIES. THE LAST MAJOR UPDATE WAS ADOPTED IN 2018 AND THE PARKS AND RECREATION DEPARTMENT ENGAGED HALF ASSOCIATES IN EARLY 2022 TO SUPPORT THE DEPARTMENT WITH ITS CURRENTLY ONGOING UPDATE. THIS UPDATE WILL INCLUDE THE PARKS MASTER PLAN, MAP AND BICYCLE TRANSPORTATION MAP OF THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN ACTION. ONE OF THE COMPREHENSIVE PLANS, PARKS AND RECREATION POLICY IS TO IMPLEMENT THE PARKS AND RECREATION MASTER PLAN AND UPDATE THE PLAN EVERY FIVE YEARS. THE CURRENT UPDATE IS IN LINE WITH THE DIRECTION PROVIDED BY THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AND TONIGHT WE ARE REQUESTING A CALL FOR PUBLIC HEARING TO AMEND THE ASSOCIATED SECTIONS OF THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN TO ENSURE ALIGNMENT WITH THE ONGOING UPDATE OF THE PARKS AND RECREATION MASTER PLAN. SO AS MENTIONED TONIGHT, WE'RE HERE TO REQUEST A CALL FOR PUBLIC HEARING. UM, THE PUBLIC REVIEW AND OUTREACH PERIOD WILL BE THROUGH APRIL, 2023 AND THE DRAFT OF THE PARKS RECREATION MASTER PLAN IS AVAILABLE ONLINE ON THE DEPARTMENT'S WEBSITE AND WILL BE AVAILABLE FOR PUBLIC REVIEW AND COMMENT THROUGH APRIL 22ND. UM, THE PARKS AND RECREATION STAFF WILL RETURN ON MAY 15TH TO PRESENT TO THE COMMISSION AND ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU MAY HAVE. AND THEN WE PLAN TO RETURN IN JUNE OF 2020. UM, THREE. SO THIS COMING JUNE, UM, FOR THE PUBLIC HEARING. SO STAFF RECOMMENDS THAT THE COMMISSION CALL A PUBLIC HEARING REGARDING THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN UPDATES AS PRESENTED. THIS CONCLUDES MY PRESENTATION AND I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU MAY HAVE. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. UH, TO BE CLEAR, WE'RE JUST CALLING A PUBLIC HEARING. THERE'S NO DATE SPECIFIC THAT WILL BE DETERMINED AT A LATER TIME, RIGHT? CORRECT. OKAY. COMMISSIONER ROW. UH, JUST A QUICK QUESTION ON THE TIMELINE FOR THE PUBLIC HEARING. UM, UH, FOR PUBLIC OUTREACH IS, IS IT JUST A MONTH OF APRIL OR IS IT STARTING APRIL TO MAY 15? IT WAS JUST POSTED ON FRIDAY FOR PUBLIC COMMENT AND IT'LL BE THROUGH APRIL 22ND AND THEN ON, YOU KNOW, ADDRESSING ANY OF THOSE COMMENTS FROM THE PUBLIC. OKAY. THANK YOU. MM-HMM. , ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? THIS IS NOT A PUBLIC HEARING. DOES ANYONE WISH TO ADDRESS THE COMMISSION ON THIS? WE DO NOT HAVE ANY REGISTERED SPEAKERS. THANK YOU. OKAY. COMMISSION COMMISSIONER BROSKI, I MOVE. WE, UH, CALL A PUBLIC HEARING FOR THIS, UH, AMENDMENT USING THE PARKS MASTER PLAN MAP AND BICYCLE TRANSPORTATION MAP, UH, AND OTHER RELATED SECTIONS TO THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. GOOD ENOUGH? SECOND. ALL RIGHT. MOTION BY [00:10:01] COMMISSIONER BROSKY, UH, TO CALL A PUBLIC HEARING SUBJECT TO THE, UH, INFORMATION IN THE ITEM NUMBER THREE. SO WE'LL GET A SECOND BY COMMISSIONER RATLIFF AND PLEASE VOTE MR. MR. LYLE. THERE WE GO. NOT ITEM CARRIE. SEVEN ZERO ITEM FOUR. [4. (EG) Discussion and Action: Call for a public hearing to amend the Facilities & Infrastructure Policy of the Comprehensive Plan 2021 to incorporate ongoing department-specific strategies and more practical guidance. Project #CPH2023-004. Applicant: City of Plano ] AGENDA ITEM NUMBER FOUR IS A DISCUSSION IN ACTION ITEM CALL FOR A PUBLIC HEARING TO AMEND THE FACILITIES AND INFRASTRUCTURE POLICY AT THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN TO INCORPORATE ONGOING DEPARTMENT SPECIFIC STRATEGIES AND MORE PRACTICAL GUIDANCE. APPLICANT IS CITY OF PLANO. IT'S FOR ADMINISTRATIVE CONSIDERATION. GOOD EVENING COMMISSIONERS. MY NAME'S EVAN GARCIA PLANNER WITH THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT. THIS ITEM IS, UH, THE REQUEST TO CALL A PUBLIC HEARING TO AMEND THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN FACILITY AND INFRASTRUCTURE POLICY. THE FACILITIES AND INFRASTRUCTURE POLICY DIRECTS THE CITY TO STRATEGICALLY PLAN AND IMPLEMENT IMPROVEMENTS TO CITY FACILITIES AND INFRASTRUCTURE TO ENSURE THE NECESSARY NEEDS AND SERVICES ARE PROVIDED TO THE COMMUNITY. THIS IS DONE LARGELY IN PARTNERSHIP WITH THE PRIVATE DEVELOPMENT COMMUNITY AND PROJECTS ARE FUNDED AND PRIORITIZED BY THE COMMUNITY INVESTMENT PROGRAM. IN FAST-GROWING COMMUNITIES, THE MAPS DRIVE THE CIP P TO LAY THE FOUNDATION FOR GROWTH. BUT AS WE HAVE LESS AND LESS UNDEVELOPED LAND, MOST OF PLANOS INFRASTRUCTURE NETWORK IS BUILT OUT. THE MAJORITY OF CIP P PROJECTS ARE BASED ON MAINTENANCE AND REPAIR OF EXISTING INFRASTRUCTURE. AND WE'D LIKE TO REORIENT THIS POLICY TO REFLECT DEPARTMENT SPECIFIC STRATEGIC GOALS AND PRIORITY DRIVEN NEW IMPROVEMENTS AND ADDITIONS EACH YEAR. IT'S THE COMMISSION'S ROLE TO REVIEW THE CIP P TO CONFIRM ALIGNMENT WITH THIS COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. RECOMMENDED AMENDMENTS TO THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN WILL INCLUDE ONGOING DEPARTMENT SPECIFIC STRATEGIES, MORE PRACTICAL GUIDANCE AND INCREASE TRANSPARENCY. THE STAFF RECOMMENDS THAT THE COMMISSION CALL A PUBLIC HEARING TO AMEND THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. WITH THAT, HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS. THANK YOU. I KNOW WHEN WE WENT THROUGH OUR SUBCOMMITTEE PROCESS LATE LAST YEAR, UH, THE FACILITIES AND INFRASTRUCTURE MAINTENANCE WAS ONE OF THOSE POLICIES THAT WE WERE LIKE, WE NEED, THIS NEEDS TO BE DONE RIGHT AWAY. SO I'M GLAD TO SEE THIS COMING FORWARD. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR STAFF ON THIS ITEM? MR. NA BRUNO? YES. UM, DO YOU HAVE TO GO THROUGH A PROCESS OF POSTING AND PUBLIC COMMENT ON THIS OR DO YOU JUST CALL A HEARING IMMEDIATELY? WE WILL BE POSTING, UM, A NOTICE IN THE, IN THE NEWSPAPER TO, TO AMEND THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. AND, UM, WE WILL BE HOPING TO RECEIVE FEEDBACK THROUGH THAT PROCESS. DO YOU HAVE AN APPROXIMATE TIMELINE? WE ARE, UM, TARGETING TO BRING THIS BACK, UH, EARLY SUMMER, SUMMERTIME. OKAY. THANK YOU. COMMISSIONER RALEIGH? UM, GOOD QUESTION. THIS SOUNDS LIKE WE ARE NOT JUST TARGETING, UM, F F I WON THE POLICY WHERE THAT REQUIRES US TO UPDATE THIS EVERY FIVE YEARS. WE ARE TRYING TO DO A LITTLE BIT BROADER TO LOOK THROUGH THE OTHER, UH, SUBORDINATE POLICIES AND IMPLEMENT BEST PRACTICES. AM I READING THE ASK CORRECTLY OR ARE WE, IS THIS JUST SPECIFIC TO THE NEED TO HAVE A REOCCURRING UPDATE EVERY FIVE YEARS AS PART OF THE C I P THIS IS, UM, REGARDING NOT JUST F FI ONE, BUT OTHER ACTIONS TO IN THE ENTIRE FACILITIES AND INFRASTRUCTURE POLICY. YOU HAVE ANOTHER QUESTION, MR. ALLEN? NOPE. OKAY. . ALL RIGHT. NOT A PUBLIC HEARING. DO I HAVE ANY OTHER SPEAKERS OR ANYBODY ON THIS? NO, WE DO NOT. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. ALL RIGHT, COMMISSIONER. SO I REMEMBER THE CONVERSATION WE HAD ABOUT THIS AND, UH, I WANNA SAY I'M REALLY, UH, EXCITED TO KNOW THAT WE'RE MOVING FORWARD ON THIS, CUZ I DO BELIEVE, AS YOU SAID, IT'S GONNA BE IMPORTANT THAT THIS GETS UPDATED. AND SO I I MAKE A MOTION WE CALL TO PUBLIC HEARING, UH, FOR THIS. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. SO I HAVE A MOTION BY COMMISSIONER BROSKY WITH THE SECOND BY COMMISSIONER O TO CALL A PUBLIC HEARING. UH, ACCORDING TO THE INFORMATION IN ITEM FOUR, PLEASE VOTE THAT ITEM CARRIES SEVEN TO ZERO. ITEM FIVE WOULD BE ITEMS FOR [5. (CD) Items for Future Agendas.] FUTURE AGENDA. ANY RECOMMENDATIONS FOR THAT MR. BROSKY? I DO, UH, AFTER WE HAD THE LAST UH, MEETING, UH, I'D ASKED SOME QUESTIONS ABOUT MITIGATION FOR EHA AREAS. AND TO ME IT SEEMS A LITTLE ANTIQUATED. THAT DISTANCE WAS THE ONLY ANSWER. SO I, I'D LIKE [00:15:01] TO PLACE ON THE AGENDA SOME DISCUSSION IN LOOKING INTO, UH, OTHER TECHNIQUES BEYOND JUST DISTANCE FOR MITIGATION OF EHA AREAS. SO LET ME ASK A QUESTION ONLY BECAUSE I, FIRST, I'M IN AGREEMENT WITH YOU. I WAS A LITTLE BIT SURPRISED WHEN WE WERE TOLD FROM THE LECTERN THAT WE'D MEASURED IT BY DISTANCE, NOT BY PARTICULAR MATTER, RIGHT? AND PARTICULAR MATTER MEASUREMENTS HAS BEEN SOMETHING FOR A LONG TIME. SO AT LEAST I THINK IT'S WORTH GETTING AN UPDATE FROM THEM ON WHY DO WE NOT USE A PARTICULATE RATING AS AS A GUIDE. UH, IF THERE'S SOME RESTRICTIONS ON THAT OR SOMETHING RELATED TO ZONING, I DON'T KNOW. SO, UM, I I THINK WE WANT TO BE CLEAR ON WHAT WE'RE ASKING FOR. SO RATHER THAN JUST, HEY, TALK TO US ABOUT EHA MEASUREMENTS. IS THERE SOMETHING, IS IT MORE SPECIFIC? IS IT, CAN YOU BE MORE SPECIFIC? SPECIFIC ME? UH, OTHER MITIGATION TECHNIQUES THAT COULD BE USED? AND I I'M NOT, WHEN WE SAYING MITIGATION TECHNIQUES OR DO YOU WANT TO SPUR, START WITH WHEN DO WE HAVE TO HAVE MITIGATION TECHNIQUE? UH, YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN? DO WE WANNA LOOK AT WHAT WOULD TRIGGER THE NEED FOR MITIGATION OTHER THAN A DISTANCE COMMISSIONER ROW? UM, TELL ME IF I'M IN ALIGNMENT REVIEW HERE, MIKE. I THINK ESPECIALLY SINCE WE ARE GOING TO BE SEEING MORE AND MORE, I BELIEVE, UM, REQUESTS FOR RESIDENTIAL USE IN EHA TWO MM-HMM. , THAT A, WHY DO WE NOT HAVE A STUDY OF SOME KIND THAT SHOWS MITIGATION FOR INTERNAL AIR QUALITY? UM, WE HAVE NOISE, UM, BUT INTERNAL AIR QUALITY, WHY WE DON'T HAVE THAT AND WHAT, UH, PARTICULAR MITIGATION MEASURES COULD WE ADD, UM, TO THE ORDINANCE, UH, FOR EHA TWO, UM, THAT IS NOT NECESSARILY COST PROHIBITIVE. I THINK THERE'S PROBABLY SHOULD BE SOME COST PROHIBITION, UM, FOR THAT. BUT WHAT, WHAT IS THE BUSINESS CASE BEHIND WHY WE DON'T HAVE IT? AND IF THERE'S SOME, SOME WAY WE COULD IMPOSE A HIGHER THRESHOLD, UM, IN ORDER TO DISCOURAGE OR ENCOURAGE IT DEPENDENCE ON HOW WE LOOK AT IT SO WE COULD GET MORE SPECIFIC, I THINK, IN OUR DIRECTION TO STAFF. THAT'S WHAT I'M ULTIMATELY TRYING TO DO. AND, AND IT MIGHT BE, AND, AND MR. BELL, CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG HERE, BUT REAL CLEAR INSTRUCTIONS WOULD BE WE WOULD LIKE TO REVISIT OUR ORDINANCE SURROUNDING, UM, NON-NO RELATED HEALTH ISSUES IN EH TWO AND EH ONE, UH, AREAS MITIGATION METHODS AND HOW WE MIGHT ADOPT OUR ORDINANCE TO PROVIDE BETTER GUIDANCE FOR DEVELOPERS AND FOR THE COMMISSION WHEN MAKING DECISIONS. IS THAT KIND OF WHERE YOU'RE HEADED? MR. MORALES? ASK ONE CLARIFYING QUESTION. NOT JUST MITIGATING MEASURES, BUT MITIGATION REQUIREMENTS BECAUSE WE, YEAH, THE CASE FROM LAST MEETING ABOUT THE ELEVATED FREEWAY VERSUS AN AT GRADE FREEWAY MAY GENERATE DIFFERENT REQUIREMENTS. THE BOTTOM LINE, AND I THINK STEPH GETS THIS, IS THAT WE WANT TO GO, WE WANT SOMETHING A LITTLE MORE CLEAR THAN DISTANCE WHEN IT COMES TO AIR QUALITY. TALKING ABOUT AIR QUALITY VERSUS NOISE. I, I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE OFFERING OPPORTUNITIES FOR, UH, OR AT LEAST CONSIDERING THE DIFFERENT MITIGATION TECHNIQUES BEYOND DISTANCE THAT, UH, MAY BE A LITTLE MORE CUTTING EDGE, MAY BE A LITTLE MORE CREATIVE, UH, AND MAY BE COST PRO OR MAY NOT BE COST PROHIBITIVE, BUT MAY ACTUALLY BE MORE BENEFICIAL. EVEN. SO YOU'RE EVEN TALKING STILL ABOUT THE NOISE THOUGH, BECAUSE I THINK YOU BROUGHT THIS UP AT THE LAST MEETING ABOUT THE SOUND WAVES BEING OPPOSITE OF MORE SO THE AIR QUALITY. BUT I'D BE CURIOUS TO, I MEAN, FRANKLY, AS I'VE SAID, UH, I THINK, UM, PARKING GARAGES ARE A TERRIBLE, UH, VIEW OF OUR CITY AND USING PARKING GARAGES AS THE MITIGATION MITIGATION FOR THAT'S RIGHT. UH, APARTMENTS, I THINK WE COULD DO BETTER IF WE WE'RE GOT ALL, WE HAVE ALL KINDS OF OTHER THINGS WE TALKED ABOUT DOWN THE, UH, NORTH DALLAS TOLLWAY, UH, WHERE WE HAD, UH, FACADE REQUIREMENTS BECAUSE OF, UH, WELL REFLECTION, WELL, THE FACADE, THE FACADE REQUIREMENTS THAT IT WAS A HISTORICAL AREA OR WHAT HAVE YOU. BUT IF WE'RE GONNA WORRY ABOUT WHAT PEOPLE SEE WHEN THEY'RE DRIVING THROUGH OUR CITY, UH, I DON'T THINK PARKING GARAGES ARE THE BEST EXAMPLE OF THAT. AND I THINK THERE ARE OTHER TECHNIQUES THAT CAN BE USED BEYOND THOSE, AND I JUST AM CONCERNED THAT WE'RE NOT OFFERING THOSE OPTIONS AS WELL. BUT MOSTLY I'M TALKING ABOUT THE, UM, AIR QUALITY. THE AIR QUALITY. AIR QUALITY. [00:20:01] OKAY. YES SIR. I THINK WE'RE HAPPY TO BRING SOMETHING BACK. I JUST WANT TO CAUTION THAT PLANNERS, UH, TRADER ARE NOT ACOUSTICS OR AIR QUALITY. WE HAD A CONSULTANT WHO PREPARED THE ORIGINAL ORDINANCE, RIGHT? SO IF WE'RE GONNA GET INTO THAT LEVEL OF DETAIL, IT'S PROBABLY NEED TO BRING A CONSULTANT BACK. BUT I THINK WE CAN GIVE THE KIND OF BASIC OUTLINE, UH, AS A FIRST PHASE AND THAT WOULD BE GREAT. AND YOU CAN ALWAYS COME BACK TO THE COMMISSION WITH, UH, IF YOU WANT TO GO FURTHER THAN THIS, WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO HIRE AN OUTSIDE CONSULTANT. THAT WOULD PROBABLY BE SOMETHING WE DON'T HAVE THE PURSE STRINGS, BUT COUNSEL COULD. SO, UH, WE CAN ALWAYS FROM THE COMMISSION MAKE A RECOMMENDATION TO COUNSEL THAT THEY CONSIDER HIRING A CONSULTANT TO ADDRESS THIS ISSUE. WE JUST CAN'T DECIDE. WE CAN'T TELL STAFF GO HIRE A CONSULTANT. YEAH. SO MR. BELL, I'M SURE YOU'RE PRETTY CLEAR WHERE WE'RE COMING FROM. WE HAVE AN AIR QUALITY CONCERN THAT WE'RE NOT SPECIFIC ENOUGH IN OUR ORDINANCE. AND THEN WE HAVE ANOTHER ONE, WHICH IS SHOULD WE BE MORE RESTRICTIVE IN OUR MITIGATION REQUIREMENTS, UH, WHEN IT COMES TO NOISE, FOR EXAMPLE. SO, OKAY. THANK YOU THAT, ARE WE PRETTY CLEAR THAT'S ON THAT? THAT'S PRETTY, THAT'S PRETTY, I DON'T IS THERE ANYONE WHO DOESN'T WANT TO HAVE THAT DISCUSSION? I DIDN'T, YES. I WAS JUST GONNA SAY IF, EVEN IF IT'S JUST GOING BACK TO THE LAST TIME THAT THE CONSULTANT DID PRESENT SOMETHING, I WOULD GO BACK AND WATCH WHAT WAS PRESENTED AT THAT AT THAT TIME JUST TO GET A BETTER UNDERSTANDING. AND THEN I'VE SEEN THE CITY OF PLANO WITH A LOT OF TIMES AT WHAT OTHER CITIES ARE DOING IN DIFFERENT CIRCUMSTANCES. AND SO WHEN I DRIVE OUR HIGHWAYS, I LOOK AT OTHER FOLKS AND THEY'RE NOT DOING IT LIKE WE'RE DOING IT. AND SO EITHER WE KNOW SOMETHING THEY DON'T OR THEY KNOW SOMETHING WE DON'T. AND SO I THINK THAT'S ANOTHER GOOD REASON FOR THIS CONVERSATION. YEAH, AND I THINK HISTORICALLY WE'VE, STAFF HAS ALWAYS DONE A KIND OF A SURVEY OF SURROUNDING THE SURROUNDING AREAS TO SEE WHAT, WHAT'S HAPPENING. I DO KNOW THERE'S SOME AREAS WHERE, WELL, FOR EXAMPLE, THEIR IDEA OF MITIGATION IS NOT AS ROBUST AS OURS. FOR EXAMPLE, THEY HAVE LOWER STANDARDS AND SO IT MAY LOOK DIFFERENT IN THEIR CITY, BUT, UM, LET'S, YEAH, NO, SOME, YEAH, I, I'D BE, I WOULD BE CURIOUS TO KNOW WHEN THE LAST ONE WAS DONE AS WELL. SO WHEN THEY BRING THAT FORWARD I'D, UH, YOU KNOW, BECAUSE TECHNOLOGY CHANGES OVER TIME. SO I THINK THE FIRST STEP WOULD BE FOR STAFF TO JUST GIVE US A REPORT ON OUR ORDINANCE RELATED TO PARTICULATES AND THE NOISE STUFF COULD DO THAT. SO THAT'S BECAUSE THERE'S PROBABLY, IS ANYONE SITTING HERE THAT WAS PART OF WHEN WE CAME UP WITH THE EHA STUDY? ANYONE SETTING ON COMMISSION? I MIGHT HAVE BEEN ON COUNCIL WHEN THAT WAS DONE. I DON'T REMEMBER. 2018. MAYBE I WAS, I MIGHT HAVE BEEN JUST BACK ONTO P AND Z THEN. SO I THINK IT WOULD BE GOOD FOR US TO GET AN UPDATE AND MAYBE FROM THERE WE CAN ACTUALLY GIVE A LITTLE MORE CLEAR DIS DIRECTION. SO THANK YOU. YES, ABSOLUTELY. ANYTHING ELSE? OKAY. YOU HAVE YOUR QUASI CLEAR MARCHING ORDERS ON THAT ? WE'RE GOOD. OKAY. SORRY. NOT MARCHING ORDERS, REQUESTS. YOU GUYS ARE GREAT. STAFF'S GREAT. ALL RIGHT. WITH THAT, WE ARE ADJOURNED AT 7 25. THANK YOU. * This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting.