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AHEAD AND, AND, UH, GAVEL IN THE, THE REGULAR MEETING.[CALL TO ORDER]
I NOW DECLARE THE PLAINTIFF CITY COUNCIL'S RECONVENED AN OPEN SESSION THAT ALL MEMBERS ARE PRESENT WILL BEGIN.TONIGHT'S REGULAR MEETING WITH THE INVOCATION LED BY IMAN AZAR, SUBAR WITH ISLAMIC ASSOCIATION OF COLIN COUNTY AND THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE AND TEXAS PLEDGE, LED BY DAISY AND BROWNIE TROOPS 65 84 WITH ST.
MARK'S THE EVANGELIST CATHOLIC CHURCH.
WOULD YOU PLEASE RISE? LET US ALL PRAY.
IN THE NAME OF GOD, THE MOST GRACIOUS, THE MOST MERCIFUL DEAR LORD OF THE UNIVERSE, WE COME TOGETHER TODAY TO THANK YOU FOR THE OPPORTUNITY AND ABILITY TO UTILIZE YOUR GRANTED TOOLS OF TIME, HEALTH, AND PROSPERITY, TO PURSUE A WORLD OF STABILITY AND HARMONY.
THE MERE FACT THAT WE AWOKE THIS MORNING, WE ARE GRATEFUL, THE ABILITY TO BREATHE, MOVE, AND COMMUNICATE.
WE ARE THANKFUL THE OPPORTUNITY TO MAKE A CHANGE FOR THE BETTER.
AN ACKNOWLEDGEMENT OF THESE ALL BLESSINGS AND MORE WE PRAY IN YOUR NAME, ALL ALMIGHTY ONE.
AS A FLAMES OF TYRANNY AND INJUSTICE ENGULF OUR WORLD.
ALLOW US TO RESTORE CIVILITY AND JUSTICE AS HUMANITY FRACTIONS INTO SECTS AND GROUPS.
ALLOW US TO DEMONSTRATE THE POWER OF UNITY AS A BLOODSHED OF INNOCENT ONES BECOME THE NORM.
ALLOW US TO PRESERVE LIFE AND REFUGE HUMANITY AS OUR ELECTED OFFICIALS DELIBERATE THE CITY'S POLICIES AND DISCUSS THE NEEDS OF ITS BEAUTIFUL PEOPLE.
ALLOW THEM TO DO SO WITHOUT DIVISIVENESS AND DISCORD.
EMPOWER THEM TO PURSUE GOODNESS IN ALL THINGS, FOR ALL PEOPLE AT ALL TIMES IN A SELFLESS MANNER.
BLESS THEM WITH YOUR GIFT OF UNDERSTANDING AND WISDOM, OH LORD, TO ANSWER THE CALL OF THE MOMENT.
ENABLE THEM TO BRIDGE DIVIDES WITH YOUR GRACE AND SERVE YOUR CREATION WITH COMPLETE COMMITMENT.
PLEASE JOIN US AND SAY THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE, THE TEXAS PLEDGE ALLEG FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA AND THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH STANDS, ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INVISIBLE LIBERTY AND JUSTICE.
LET'S TAKE A PICTURE RIGHT HERE.
UHOH, DON'T DROP YOUR PURPLE PEN.
[COMMENTS OF PUBLIC INTEREST]
ALL RIGHT, LET'S DO COMMENTS OF PUBLIC INTEREST.I THINK WE HAVE TWO SPEAKERS WE DO.
THE FIRST SPEAKER THIS EVENING IS SHARON OVERALL.
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THIRD HAND SMOKE IS THE NICOTINE AND OTHER CHEMICALS FROM CIGARETTES THAT REMAIN ON SURFACES WELL, AFTER SOMEONE HAS SMOKED.THIS IS WHAT YOU SMELL AT THE BENCH OUTSIDE THE MALL, LONG HOURS AFTER SOMEONE'S EVEN SMOKED THERE.
THESE RESIDUES CAN BE INGESTED, INHALED, OR ABSORBED THROUGH THE SKIN, POTENTIALLY INCREASING THE RISK OF CERTAIN CANCERS AND OTHER SERIOUS DISEASES.
THEY GET INTO VENTILATION SYSTEMS, CURTAINS, AND CARPETS.
THESE POLLUTANTS ARE NOT EASY TO REMOVE.
COMMON CLEANERS DO NOT REMOVE THEM.
YOU HAVE TO REPLACE THE CARPETS AND CURTAINS AND PAINT THE WALLS, AND STILL THERE MAY BE CHEMICALS IN PLACES YOU MISSED.
THEY ENTER THE BODY IN THREE WAYS.
YOU TOUCH THE SURFACE AND THEN YOU TOUCH YOUR MOUTH.
INHALATION AFGHAN OFFGASSING IS A TERM USED TO DESCRIBE THE RELEASE OF THE RESIDUAL CONTAMINANTS BACK INTO THE AIR, WHICH IS INHALED.
THIS OCCURS WHILE DUSTING OR SWEEPING OR TURNING ON A FAN OR AIR CONDITIONER ABSORPTION IN THE SAME WAY THAT NICOTINE PATCHES DELIVERING NICOTINE THROUGH THE SKIN.
NICOTINE AND OTHER CHEMICALS LEFT BEHIND AFTER SMOKING CAN BE ABSORBED THROUGH THE SKIN.
HERE'S AN EXAMPLE OF EXPOSURE TO THROW HAND SMOKE.
I WAS STAYING IN A HOTEL IN ARKANSAS.
I SMELLED A SLIGHT MUSTY CIGARETTE SMELL WHEN I ENTERED THE ROOM, BUT IT WAS A SMOKEFREE HOTEL.
IT'D BEEN SMOKE FREE FOR THREE OR FOUR YEARS, AND THE ROOMS HAD BEEN REMODELED.
THEY'D TAKEN ALL THE CARPETS AND DRAPES OUT.
SO I THREW UP THAT THERE MAY NOT HAVE BEEN ANYONE IN THE ROOM FOR A FEW DAYS, AND IT WAS JUST MUSTY.
SO BY MORNING I HAD A SORE THROAT.
I WENT TO THE FRONT DESK AND ASKED ABOUT CHANGING ROOMS. I TOLD THEM THAT THERE WAS A FAINT ODOR CIGARETTES.
THE LADY AT THE FRONT DESK SAID THAT WHEN IN THE SMOKING WAS ALLOWED, THAT THE WING OF THE BUILDING I WAS IN HAD BEEN THE SMOKING WING, BUT NOT THE OTHER WING.
SO SHE MOVED US TO THE OTHER WING, AND I NEVER SMELLED CIGARETTE SMOKE AGAIN.
AND YOU HAVE TO REALIZE THIS IS THREE TO FOUR YEARS AFTER CIGARETTE SMOKING HAD STOPPED.
I REMEMBER WATCHING AN EPISODE OF PROPERTY BROTHERS WHERE SMOKER LIFT, AS THEY REMOVED THE PICTURES FROM THE WALL, YOU SAW WHITE AREAS BEHIND THE PICTURES AND TOBACCO STAINS ON THE REST.
THE THIRD HAND CIGARETTE SMOKE RESIDUE WAS VERY OBVIOUS.
ONE STUDY FROM THE CLEVELAND CLINIC CLINIC EXPOSED HUMAN CELLS, NOT ACTUAL HUMANS TO THIRDHAND SMOKE, AND DISCOVERED THAT IT MAYE CAUSE DAMAGE AND BREAKS.
AND THE HUMAN D N A SAYING THAT IT IS OUTSIDE AND DISSIPATES IS NOT ENOUGH.
I HAVE THE RIGHT TO NOT HAVE THESE CHEMICALS IN MY YARD OR ON MY OUTDOOR FURNITURE.
I WANT TO KNOW THAT THE BENCH IN MY FRONT YARD IS NOT COVERED WITH THIRD HAND SMOKE RESIDUE.
I WANT TO KNOW THAT TOYS LEFT IN MY YARD ARE NOT COVERED IN RESIDUE AND ARE SAFE FOR CHILDREN TO PLAY WITH.
SMOKE DOESN'T STOP AT THE PROPERTY LINE.
THE NEXT SPEAKER IS GREG PATILLO.
UM, I KNOW YOU WERE EXPECTING A REPRIEVE TONIGHT AND I APOLOGIZE FOR THAT, BUT I, I WANTED TO COMMEND YOU ALL FOR WHAT I THOUGHT WAS A VERY THOUGHTFUL AND PRODUCTIVE DISCUSSION IN THE MARCH 13TH MEETING.
UH, I'M HERE TONIGHT TO ACTUALLY TALK MORE ABOUT MOVING FORWARD AND, UM, THE ORDINANCES THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT, UH, IN, IN MOVING FORWARD.
SO THERE'S, THERE'S CONTINUES TO BE A THIRST FOR DATA.
AND SO I WOULD LIKE TO PRESENT SOME DATA TONIGHT.
UM, THIS IS THE REALITY FOR PLANO.
THIS IS THE REALITY OF COMPLIANCE.
SO IF YOU LOOK AT WHAT WE'RE SEEING HERE, I'VE ACTUALLY GONE THROUGH EACH MONTH, I'VE TAKEN THE TOTAL MARKET REVENUE, WHICH IS FROM AIR DNA FOR AIRBNB, V R B O.
I'VE ADJUSTED THAT BECAUSE WE KNOW THAT NOT ALL OF THE PROPERTIES IN AIR DNA'S DATA ARE ACTUALLY IN PLANO.
SO I'VE DEDUCTED ABOUT 10% OF THAT.
THAT REMOVES ABOUT 65 TO 70 PROPERTIES OUT OF THE DATA.
UH, SO THAT GIVES YOU THE TOTAL REVENUE OR ADJUSTED, UH, TOTAL MARKET REVENUE.
AND THEN YOU APPLY THE, UM, OCCUPANCY RATE TO THE ADJUSTED TMR THAT GIVES YOU THAT FIGURE IN THE FOURTH COLUMN.
AND THEN THE OCCUPANCY TAX REMITTED THAT'S, UH, REPORTED IN THE COMPREHENSIVE MONTHLY FINANCIAL STATEMENT, UH, THAT'S AVAILABLE.
AND SO THAT'S WHY WE CUT OFF AT 1122, BECAUSE THE LATEST VERSION THAT'S PUBLICLY AVAILABLE WAS DECEMBER 22, WHICH REPORTS THE NUMBER FOR NOVEMBER.
AND THOSE ARE THE COMBINED TOTALS OF HOMEAWAY AND, UH, WHICH IS V R B O AND AIRBNB.
SO THAT LAST COLUMN TELLS YOU THE REALITY OF WHAT YOU'RE LOOKING AT.
SO WHEN I HEAR COMMENTS LIKE, WE NEED TO GET REGISTRATION GOING
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SO THAT WE UNDERSTAND WHERE THESE PROPERTIES ARE, UNDERSTAND THIS SHOULD BE THE EXPECTATION OF THE DATA YOU'RE GOING TO GET, YOU'RE GOING TO GET MUCH MORE ACCURATE DATA FROM DECKER THAN YOU ARE GONNA GET FROM HERE.AND EVEN THAT AS MS. DAY WAS FRUSTRATED WHEN SHE WAS TRYING TO REPORT TO YOU, WHAT 50% OF A MOVING TARGET IS, UH, IN HER NUMBERS ON THE RESULTS FROM THAT STUDY.
SO WHAT CAN YOU DO ABOUT THIS NUMBER? WELL, WITH THE VOLUNTARY COLLECTION AGREEMENT, NOT MUCH.
UH, BASICALLY, UH, EVERYTHING HAS TO BE DONE BASED ON THEIR DATA.
UH, THE AUDIT MUST RESULT IN FINDINGS AGAINST A USER.
AND YOU MUST SERVE AIRBNB LEGALLY TO GET, UH, PERSONALLY IDENTIFI, UH, IN AN IDENTIFIABLE, UH, INFORMATION.
SO PLANO HAS ESSENTIALLY SEATED ITS TAXING AUTHORITY TO THE PLATFORMS WITHOUT AN EFFECTIVE MEANS OF AUDIT.
AND THE VCA ACTS AS A SHIELD AGAINST NON-COMPLIANT HOST.
AND CERTAINLY YOU CAN LITIGATE.
THERE ARE CITIES THAT HAVE DONE THAT, THE STATE OF GEORGIA, GEORGIA CITIES AND COUNTIES AS A, A CLASS ACTION.
BUT WHAT REALLY NEEDS TO BE DONE IS TERMINATE THE VCAS.
UH, JUST OVER 400 AGREEMENTS FOR 11,000, UH, JURISDICTIONS SINCE 2014.
AND ONLY 11 TEXAS JURISDICTIONS HAVE FOLLOWED THE STATE AND PLANO, UH, WHICH WAS THE FIRST AND TOUTED AS FIRST HIGHLY PUBLICIZED, BUT YET NO ONE SEEMED TO FOLLOW YOU.
I APPRECIATE YOUR TIME AND CONSIDERATION.
OKAY, WE'RE MOVING, UH, MOVING BACK TO, UH, ITEM TWO OF THE PRELIMINARY OPEN MEETING.
I JUST HAD A COUPLE OF OTHER POINTS THAT I WANTED TO BRING UP THAT I WAS WATCHING THE CLOCK, SO I WANTED TO MAKE SURE WE GAVELED IN ON TIME.
UM, AND I WANTED TO KIND OF CLARIFY A COUPLE OF THINGS THAT I SAW IN THE PRESENTATION, AND CERTAINLY I THINK STAFF CAN CAN HELP WITH THAT.
UM, ONE OF THE PRESENTA OR ONE OF THE PIECES IN THE PRESENTATION INDICATED THAT FOR HOUSING REPAIR AND HOME OWNERSHIP, WE WERE USING PLANO HOUSING CORPORATION.
WHEN WAS THE LAST TIME WE USED P PLAN HOUSING CORPORATION FOR THAT FUNCTION? UH, 2014.
UM, ALSO, IT, UH, CHRIST UNITED METHODIST CHURCH, WHICH USED TO BE THE HOUSE ON THE CORNER THEY USED TO USE, THEY USED TO BUILD A HOME ON THAT.
I BELIEVE THEY HAVEN'T DONE THAT FOR SEVERAL YEARS.
I'M JUST, I'M JUST WONDERING WHEN WAS THE LAST TIME THAT THEY BUILT THE HOUSE IN THE CORNER? SO THE INFORMATION THAT I GAVE YOU IN THE PRESENTATION WAS ALL OF THE NONPROFITS THAT WE'VE USED OVER THE LAST 15 YEARS.
SO, UM, SO JUST TO CLARIFY, UM, AND, UM, YOU'RE RIGHT, THE HOUSE IN THE CORNER DID USED TO DO A LOT OF PROJECTS FOR THE HOUSE IN THE CORNER, BUT THE PROBLEM WAS, IS THEY WERE FINDING IT DIFFICULT TO PURSUE LOTS IN ORDER TO PLACE HOUSES.
AND ALL OF THIS HAS BEEN RELATED TO THE HOUSING MARKET.
SO, UM, THAT, THAT, I DON'T BELIEVE THAT THERE WAS A SPECIFIC PROBLEM WITH THE CITY PROCESS, BUT WHAT I WOULD SAY IS, IS THAT, UM, I THINK IT BECAME DIFFICULT FOR THEM TO CONTINUE IN THE MODEL THAT THEY HAD MM-HMM.
BUT I JUST WANTED TO CLARIFY BECAUSE IT LOOKED LIKE AS IT WAS GOING THROUGH THE PRESENTATION TO ME, AND I DIDN'T KNOW IF, IF THE OTHER COUNCIL MEMBERS WERE AWARE OF IT, UM, THAT THAT WAS HISTORICAL DATA MM-HMM.
UM, THE OTHER THING THAT I HAD CONCERNS ABOUT, UM, COUNCIL MEMBERS AND, AND CERTAINLY THEN, YOU KNOW, WE, WE CAN OPEN UP THIS FOR ANY DISCUSSION THAT YOU MIGHT HAVE, IS THAT I HAVE WATCHED THIS, UM, SINCE I WAS ON THE COMMUNITY RELATIONS COMMISSION BACK IN 2008, I THINK IT WAS, UM, TO 2012, SOMEWHERE IN THERE.
UM, AND IT USED TO BE UNDER THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT AT THAT POINT IN TIME.
AND THEN THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT, UM, SPLIT.
UH, AND WE HAD PROPERTY STANDARDS AND SOME PEOPLE OUT OF, UM, PLANNING DEPARTMENT BECOME NEIGHBORHOOD SERVICES.
AND, AND, AND WHEN THAT FORMED, THERE WAS I THINK 25 PEOPLE IN THAT ENTIRE DEPARTMENT.
UM, AND AS, UH, MS. WARD PORT POINTED OUT TONIGHT, IT'S NOW 61.
UM, AND SO WHEN I LOOK AT THE DOLLARS THAT HAVE BEEN, UH, USED YEAR AFTER YEAR AFTER YEAR, ABOUT 1.6 MILLION, UM, IN 2013 THAT WE GOT, WE'RE GETTING ABOUT 2.3 NOW.
UM, AND, UM, THE NUMBER OF AGENCIES USED TO BE, UM, THICK.
IT'S NOW THIN, IT'S PROBABLY, UM, GONE FROM NINE TO 13, NINE TO 13 AGENCIES BACK IN 2013 TO FOUR NOW.
UM, I BEGIN TO WONDER HOW WE'RE BUILDING AND DOING THE WORK.
UM, AND IT, IT JUST ALWAYS APPEARS TO ME THAT IT'S BEING DONE THROUGH
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OUR INTERNAL DEPARTMENTS RATHER THAN AN EXTERNAL SOURCE.AND I'M JUST, I, I GET CONCERNED THAT THAT IS NOT A REALLY GOOD USE OF, OF THE DOLLARS, UM, THE TAXPAYER DOLLARS THAT WE'RE BUILDING MORE AND MORE PEOPLE ADDING TO MORE AND MORE DEPARTMENTS WHEN WE COULD BE USING OUTSIDE SOURCES.
LORI, WOULD YOU, UH, MIND, FOR CLARIFICATION PURPOSES ON THE STAFFING SIDE OF THINGS, I KNOW THAT THAT'S COME UP AND WE'VE LOOKED AT THAT, IF YOU WOULDN'T MIND COMMENTS? YES, SIR.
UM, SO WHEN NEIGHBORHOOD SERVICES CREATED, WE WERE 44.
UM, AND AS I HAD SHOWN HERE ON THE STAFFING SUPPORT FOR FEDERAL HOUSING PROGRAMS, THAT HAS NOT INCREASED IN THE EIGHT YEARS THAT WE HAVE BEEN NEIGHBORHOOD SERVICES.
THIS HAS BEEN THE SAME SETUP FOR 15 YEARS.
SO WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO SAY IS, IS THAT THERE HAS NOT BEEN ANY ADDITIONAL MONIES PUT TOWARDS THIS.
AND IN FACT, UM, THAT HOUSING REHABILITATION SUPERVISOR USED TO BE FEDERALLY FUNDED BACK IN FY 2017, UH, 2018, WE REMOVED THAT POSITION THROUGH BRUCE GLASSCOCK AND THAT THAT BUDGET PROCESS FROM BEING REIMBURSED FROM FEDERAL FUNDS AND MADE THAT A, UH, GENERAL FUND, UH, POSITION.
SO IN TOTALITY, WE'VE ACTUALLY REDUCED THE BURDEN ON OUR FEDERAL ADMINISTRATION DOLLARS OVER THE COURSE OF TIME THAT WE HAVE BEEN NEIGHBORHOOD SERVICES.
AND WHERE'S, WHERE HAVE THE GROWTH IN POSITIONS COME? SO THE GROWTH IN POSITIONS HAS BEEN ACROSS THE BOARD.
UM, YOU KNOW, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WHEN WE WERE CREATED, UM, WAS REALLY THE IDEA OF US TRYING TO ADDRESS, UM, OUR AGING COMMUNITY.
AND AS MOST OF YOU KNOW, EVERY SINGLE P UH, POSITION HAS COME THROUGH A BUDGET PROCESS THROUGH CITY COUNCIL.
SO WE'VE SEEN GROWTH IN OUR PROPERTY STANDARDS TEAM, WE HAVE SEEN GROWTH IN OUR NEIGHBORHOOD ENGAGEMENT TEAM, WE'VE SEEN GROWTH FOR SUPPORT SERVICES.
SO OVERALL, WHAT WE HAVE BEEN TRYING TO DO IS TO RESPOND TO THE NEED.
UM, WE ARE AN AGING COMMUNITY IN MANY WAYS.
UM, AND SO THE GOAL OF REALLY EVERYTHING THAT WE DO IS AS PART OF OUR PROGRAM IS TO TRY AND COME UP WITH WAYS TO HELP PEOPLE, TO PARTNER WITH PEOPLE, TO BE ABLE TO MAINTAIN THEIR HOMES, MAINTAIN THEIR NEIGHBORHOODS, BE ABLE TO BE MORE SUCCESSFUL AS A COMMUNITY AS A WHOLE.
UM, SO REALLY, YOU KNOW, THE, THE, EVERYTHING HAS BEEN VERY MUCH AN OPEN PROCESS.
UM, AND, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE HAD GROWTH, BUT THAT GROWTH HAS BEEN SPECIFICALLY LINKED TO THE NEED AND THE DEMANDS OF OUR SERVICES AND OUR, OUR PROGRAMS. SO I JUST, DOES THAT ANSWER THE QUESTION? OKAY.
FOR ME, BUT I'M LOOKING AT COUNSEL.
IT'S MORE IMPORTANT THAT THEY HAVE IT.
BUT I, I'D LIKE YOU ALSO TO ADDRESS REAL QUICK THE HOUSING REHABILITATION COSTS.
THAT, THAT HAVE BEEN SHOWN IN THAT, UM, AMAZING CHART THAT WAS DONE WITH SUCH SKILL
SO, UM, I WILL TELL YOU THAT AT THIS POINT, UM, I HAVE ASKED AND TASKED STAFF TO GO BACK AND LOOK AT ALL OF OUR HOUSING REHAB POLICIES.
ONE OF MY THINGS THAT I THINK WE ALWAYS WANT TO DO, I I, I THINK ABOUT BRUCE A LOT OF TIMES, YOU KNOW, HE HAD THAT FAMOUS MAYA ANGELOU QUOTE.
HE ALWAYS SAID, YOU KNOW, WE ALWAYS DO GOOD UNTIL WE KNOW BETTER, AND THEN WE DO BETTER.
SO I WANT YOU TO KNOW THAT THAT IS SOMETHING WE LOOK AT EVERY SINGLE DAY.
AND OUR GOAL ALWAYS IS, IS, YOU KNOW, WE ARE DOING OUR BEST EVERY DAY, BUT IF WE FIND OUT THAT THERE IS SOMETHING WE COULD DO BETTER, THEN WE WILL CHANGE THE PROCESSES.
UM, WE'VE DO DONE A LOT OF ORDINANCE, RIGHT? REWRITES AS FAR AS THE PROPERTY STANDARDS TEAM.
UM, COUNCIL MEMBER WILLIAMS GAVE SOME GREAT SUGGESTIONS ON HOW WE CAN IMPROVE A LOT OF OUR OUTREACH EFFORTS.
WE'VE INCORPORATED MOST OF THOSE.
UM, YOU KNOW, SO I THINK THAT YOU HAVE TO LOOK AT HOW CAN YOU ACTUALLY DO BETTER EVERY DAY? SO WHAT WE'RE DOING IS, IS WE ARE TAKING ALL OF OUR HOUSING REHAB PROGRAM, UH, POLICIES.
WE'RE LOOKING AT IT AGAINST HUD REGULATIONS, TRYING TO DECIDE WHETHER IS A HUD REGULATION, A HUD BEST PRACTICE, OR WHETHER IT'S SOMETHING THAT OVER TIME HAS, HAS BEEN CREATED.
UM, AS COUNCIL MEMBER GRAD POINTED OUT, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE HAD, UM, THE CRC PROCESS FOR A LONG TIME.
WE'VE HAD THE CONSOLIDATED GRANT PROCESS FOR A LONG TIME, I BELIEVE, FROM WHEN YOU WERE ON THE CRC.
AND SO, YOU KNOW, OUR HOPE IS IS THAT, YOU KNOW, MAYBE IT IS TIME TO LOOK AT THIS.
UM, I DO WOULD ALSO LIKE TO CLARIFY THAT THE STAFF DOES NOT CREATE THE RUBRIC.
UM, WE HAVE A VERY SMALL PART OF WHAT THAT RUBRIC IS, AND THAT'S PRIMARILY TELLING THEM IF IT IS APPLYING TO ONE OF OUR CONSOLIDATED, UM, PLAN GOALS.
SO WE ARE LOOKING AT, AT VERY BASIC INFORMATION, VERY ADMINISTRATIVE.
THE REST OF THAT IS THE REVIEW FROM CRC, BUT CRC HAS BEEN INVITED TO OUR ROUND TABLES, AND THEY WERE THERE LISTENING TO THE NONPROFIT ROUND TABLES THE OTHER DAY.
AND I THINK THAT THEY ARE, OUR HOPE IS, IS THAT WE'RE GONNA BE ABLE TO SHARE SOME FEEDBACK FROM THIS MEETING AND FROM THE ROUND TABLES SO THAT THEY CAN HAVE A CHANCE TO LOOK AT IT.
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SPECIFIC ABOUT THAT, BUT I WAS ASKED THE QUESTION ABOUT THE 55,000.WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO EXPLAIN TO YOU IS, IS THAT OUR MEDIAN HOME PRICE NOW IS 4 75 TO 500,000.
THE APPLICANTS THAT WE ARE HAVING COME INTO OUR DEPARTMENT ARE AT 40% AMI, THAT'S OUR MEDIAN.
SO WHEN YOU LOOK AT A HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS AFTER COVID CONSTRUCTION COSTS HAVE GONE UP, MATERIAL COSTS HAVE GONE UP, CONTRACTOR COSTS HAVE GONE UP, SALES TAX, YOU KNOW, ALL OF THE THINGS THAT ARE PART OF A CONSTRUCTION PROJECT.
AND THE REALITY IS, IS THAT IT COSTS MORE.
IF YOU HAVE DONE ANY WORK ON YOUR HOME, IT COSTS MORE.
AND SO OUR HOPE IS, IS, IS THAT WE ARE GOING TO BE ABLE TO TAKE THESE SENIORS THAT ARE VERY LOW INCOME AND BE ABLE TO HAVE THEM IN SAFE HOUSING.
AND WHILE WE CERTAINLY UNDERSTAND AND AGREE THAT NOT, IT IS, IT IS COSTLY TO OWN A HOME, TO HAVE SENIORS THAT HAVE BEEN IN THOSE HOMES FOR 30, 40, 50 YEARS TO TELL THEM THAT BECAUSE THEY CAN'T AFFORD THE REPAIRS.
AND THEY'RE, I, I DON'T THINK THAT OUR GOAL IS TO SAY THAT WE WANT THEM TO CONTINUE TO LIVE IN SUBSTANDARD HOUSING.
SO, YOU KNOW, WE CERTAINLY WILL TAKE DIRECTION FROM COUNCIL.
I'M HOPING THAT WE WILL BE ABLE TO FIGURE OUT, YOU KNOW, A, A, UH, PROCESS THAT WILL BE SUPPORTIVE OF OUR COMMUNITY, BUT ALSO BE ABLE TO BE RESPONSIVE TO COUNCIL'S CONCERNS.
UM, BUT THAT IS OUR GOAL, IS TO TRY AND MAKE SURE THAT PEOPLE HAVE SAFE HOUSING.
UM, AND A LOT OF THESE FOLKS JUST SIMPLY DO NOT HAVE THE MEANS TO BE ABLE TO REPAIR THEIR HOUSES.
MAY I SHARE ONE LAST THING? I APOLOGIZE.
SO WE DID HAVE TO MAKE A CORRECTION TO THAT DURING COVID, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE SAW WAS $55,000 DID NOT GO VERY FAR.
SO WHAT WE ADJUSTED TO, AND THIS IS, YOU KNOW, BASED OBVIOUSLY ON THE INCOME QUALIFICATIONS OF PEOPLE, IS THAT THEY NOW CAN GET ASSISTANCE UP TO 50% OF THEIR APPRAISED VALUE OF THEIR HOUSE.
MOST OF THESE PEOPLE ARE NOT COMING IN WITH THIS MEDIAN PRICED HOUSE, BUT WE DID HAVE TO EXPAND THAT IN ORDER TO ADDRESS THE NEED.
UM, FIRST WHILE WE'RE ON IT, THAT 55,000, UM, WHEN WAS THAT, UH, NUMBER, UH, SET BY COUNCIL? I, I'M SORRY.
I'LL HAVE TO GET THAT INFORMATION FOR YOU.
SO I CERTAINLY UNDERSTAND THE INCREASE IN HOUSING COSTS, HOUSING PRICES, REHABILITATION COSTS, ET CETERA.
GIVEN THAT, WHY WAS COUNCIL NOT REQUESTED TO INCREASE THE $55,000 THRESHOLD? IF I'M INTERPRETING CORRECTLY, IT SEEMS LIKE A UNILATERAL DECISION WAS MADE TO EXCEED IT.
SO I, I AM GOING TO HAVE TO CLARIFY THAT BECAUSE, UM, GENERALLY COUNSEL DOES NOT APPROVE OUR REHAB POLICIES.
SO WHAT I AM NOT SURE IS, AND THEN I WILL HAVE TO CLARIFY THIS, IS WHETHER OR NOT THAT WAS SOMETHING THAT COUNSEL HAD TO APPROVE OR INFORMATION THAT WAS SHARED WITH COUNSEL.
SO WHAT I WILL DO IS I WILL FIND THAT INFORMATION OUT AND GET BACK TO YOU AS SOON AS POSSIBLE.
THANK YOU FOR THAT CLARIFICATION.
UM, ONE OF THE OTHER QUESTIONS I HAD WAS EARLIER ON IN THE PRESENTATION YOU GAVE EARLIER, UM, YOU NOTED THAT PLANO ORGANIZATIONS MM-HMM.
UM, HOW DO YOU DEFINE PLANO ORGANIZATIONS THERE AND WHY DO THEY NOT CURRENTLY HAVE TO COMPETE FOR MONEY? OKAY, SO WHAT I WAS SAYING IS, IS THAT PLANO ORGANIZATIONS, SO RIGHT NOW, THEY HAVE THE ABILITY TO COME THROUGH THE CITY TO APPLY FOR THE USE OF THESE FEDERAL FUNDS THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT.
SO I'M SPECIFICALLY TALKING ABOUT HOUSING MONEY.
SO IF WE ARE, IF YOU HAVE A JURISDICTION THAT IS NOT, UM, A EITHER AN ENTITLEMENT COMMUNITY OR A PARTICIPATING JURISDICTION, SO DEPENDS ON WHETHER YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT HOME OR CDBG.
UM, AND THOSE ARE BASED OFF OF OUR, UM, OUR POPULATION.
SO THAT'S HOW WE BECOME ONE OF THOSE ENTITIES.
IF WE DO NOT, OR SAY ANOTHER, UH, SIZE SMALLER CITY DOESN'T COMPETE AS, OR ISN'T PART OF THE ENTITLEMENT OR THE PARTICIPATING IN JURISDICTION, THERE IS ACCESS THROUGH T D H C A.
T D H C A DOES GET A STATE ALLOTMENT OF SOME OF THESE FUNDINGS.
AND SO RIGHT NOW WE HAVE THE ABILITY TO, THIS MONEY IS EARMARKED FOR THE CITY OF PLANO, AND IT HAS TO BE USED FOR PLANO RESIDENTS.
IF WE DO NOT TAKE FEDERAL DOLLARS FOR HOUSING, THEN BASICALLY WE DON'T HAVE AN EARMARK FOR PLANO RESIDENCE.
THOSE ORGANIZATIONS COULD PROCEED THROUGH A STATEWIDE PROCESS AND COMPETE FOR THOSE FUNDS.
UM, BUT RIGHT NOW, UM, BECAUSE WE HAVE THIS MONEY ALLOCATED, THEY HAVE ACCESS TO IT THROUGH THE CITY.
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MEAN THAT, UH, BECAUSE WE DO RECEIVE THESE FUNDS FROM THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT, THEY COMPETE WITH THE CITY OF OR WITH ONE ANOTHER FOR THE CITY OF PLANO TO ALLOCATE THOSE FUNDS, BUT OTHERWISE THEY WOULD HAVE TO COMPETE STATEWIDE? YES, SIR.AND, UH, LASTLY, TO MAKE SURE I UNDERSTAND, YOU SAID IF I UNDERSTOOD CORRECTLY, THE NUMBER OF CITY STAFF, UH, WHO HAVE BEEN MAINTAINING THESE PROGRAMS SINCE THE INCEPTION HAS NOT CHANGED.
SO IF I UNDERSTOOD CORRECTLY, THERE ARE SIX, UH, STAFF MEMBERS WHO OVERSEE ALL OF THIS.
AND SO THAT'S BEEN PRETTY MUCH CONSTANT THE ENTIRE TIME OF THOSE FULL-TIME BEEN EMPLOYEES, IT HAS BEEN CONSTANT.
SO IF, IF I CAN KIND OF MOVE THINGS ALONG THE PROGRAM POLICIES THAT THEY'RE WORKING ON, WOULD, WOULD THAT BE A DIRECTION AND, AND HAVE THEM COME BACK TO US AND, AND REVIEW THOSE AS A, AS A GOOD FIRST STEP? UH, I, I BELIEVE THAT'S A GOOD SUBMISSION.
I THINK THAT THE, THE, UM, THE PROCESS THAT THE, THAT WE'RE USING TODAY NEEDS TO BE SENT TO THE COUNCIL MEMBERS SO THAT THE COUNCIL MEMBERS UNDERSTAND WHAT IT IS AND AGREE WITH IT.
AND IF WE AGREE WITH IT, THEN WE'VE GOT A GRANT PROCESS THAT'S COMING UP LIKE NEXT MONTH.
UM, AND SO WE'VE GOTTA MAKE A DECISION ON WHETHER WE AGREE WITH THIS AND HOW IT'S BEING HANDLED, OR WE, YOU KNOW, WE'RE GONNA HAVE THIS ISSUE ROLLING FORWARD THROUGH THE GRANT PROCESS AGAIN.
AND MAYOR, I WOULD SUGGEST THAT WE HAVE THE NEXT AGENDA DISCUSSION BEFORE WE GIVE CONCRETE DIRECTION TO STAFF ON THIS.
WHAT EXACTLY, WHAT DO YOU MEAN HIS HAD DISCUSSION? OH, WELL, WE'RE, THAT'S NEXT.
YEAH, THEY'RE, OH, THEY'RE, THEY'RE RELATED.
SO BEFORE WE PICK A DIRECTION AND MOVE HERE, I WOULD SUGGEST WE HAVE THE NEXT DISCUSSION AND THEN GIVE GENERAL DIRECTION TO STAFF BASED ON BOTH DISCUSSIONS.
I THINK I UNDERSTAND, UM, BOTH.
ELEMENTS OF THIS AT THIS MOMENT.
ALRIGHT, HERE I HAVE A QUESTION.
I HAVE A QUESTION WITH REGARD TO WHAT, UM, COUNCILMAN GRADY HAD POSED, AND, AND THAT IS IT, IT SOUNDED LIKE THERE ARE THREE AREAS OF HIS CONCERN.
ONE OF 'EM WAS, UM, WHETHER OR NOT THE, UH, THE ADMINISTRATION OF, UM, THESE FUNDS FROM THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT IS NOW BEING, UM, MORE, UH, EXPENDED ON ADMINISTRATION RATHER THAN DISTRIBUTION TO, UM, TO THE RECIPIENTS OR THE, THE INTENDED RECIPIENTS.
AND NUMBER TWO IS WHETHER OR NOT, BECAUSE THERE IS A, UM, INCREASE IN THE AMOUNT OF MONEY THAT WE'RE SPENDING ON EACH INDIVIDUAL PROJECT, THAT IS ALSO REDUCING THE AMOUNT OF RECIPIENTS ARE TAKING, UM, BEING ABLE TO ALSO BE BENEFIT FROM THESE, UH, MONEY.
AND THE THIRD THING IS ALSO, UM, WHETHER OR NOT THE CRC FUNDING IS THE PROCESS IS, UM, YOU KNOW, FAIR TO ALL THE PEOPLE WHO ARE PARTICIPATING IN TRYING TO OBTAIN ENTITLEMENTS.
I, I THINK THOSE ARE THE THREE ISSUES.
AND I BELIEVE THE, THE, UH, THE CAP AND THE CRC FUNDING HAVE BEEN ADDRESSED.
BUT CAN YOU JUST SORT OF ADDRESS, ADDRESS THE ADMINISTRATION PART OF IT FOR ME? OKAY.
SO I BELIEVE, I UNDERSTAND YOU TO BE ASKING IS, IS THIS, HAS THERE BEEN AN INCREASE IN THE ADMINISTRATION COST? IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE ASKING? I WOULD SAY OVER TIME, DUE TO JUST INFLATION, UM, YOU KNOW, WE ARE, UM, CAPPED AT A CERTAIN PERCENTAGE THAT WE CANNOT GO ABOVE.
UM, I WOULD SAY THAT WHERE WE ARE IS IN LINE WITH OTHER CITIES THAT HAVE IN HA IN-HOUSE REHABILITATION PROGRAMS. IT'S VERY NORMAL FOR CITIES TO HAVE THIS TYPE OF, UM, STAFF, UH, MANAGED, UH, C D B G OR HOME REHABILITATION PROGRAMS. BUT AS MENTIONED, THIS IS THE SAME SIX POSITIONS THAT WE HAVE HAD SINCE 2008.
UM, THE, THE POSITIONS HAVE SHIFTED, UM, IN SALARY JUST DUE TO NORMAL CHANGES.
THEY, THEY TRACK WITH THE REST OF THE CITY STAFF.
UM, SO I, I, YES, IT HAS SHIFTED UP, BUT THAT HAS BEEN ENTIRELY IN LINE WITH EVERY OTHER THING THAT WE HAVE SEEN, UM, FOR ALL OTHER STAFF MEMBERS ACROSS THE CITY.
SO THERE HASN'T BEEN ANY ADDITION, UM, OTHER THAN THAT.
HA HAS THE, A AWARD FROM THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT ALSO
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INCREASED IN APPROPRIATE, I MEAN, IN THE PROPORTION OF THE ADMINISTRATION COSTS THAT THAT HAS BEEN INCREASING? YES, MA'AM.SO WE ALWAYS WILL HAVE A PERCENTAGE CAP BASED OFF OF WHATEVER OUR ALLOCATION IS EACH YEAR.
AND WE HAVE NEVER EXCEEDED THAT.
UM, YOU KNOW, AND WHAT I WOULD SAY IS, IS THAT, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE TAKEN STEPS TO TRY AND REDUCE THE ADMINISTRATIVE BURDEN OVER TIME.
UM, YOU KNOW, WE ARE CERTAINLY OPEN TO ADDITIONAL WAYS TO REDUCE ADMINISTRATIVE BURDEN.
UM, BUT WHAT I WOULD SAY IS, IS THAT I THINK WITH THE AMOUNT OF DOLLARS THAT HAVE INCREASED AND THE AMOUNT OF STAFF THAT HAS, THEY DO AN INCREDIBLE JOB.
THEY, THEY TAKE CARE OF A LOT OF HOMES AND, UM, A LOT OF, UH, PEOPLE APPLYING FOR THE, FOR THE PROGRAM.
UM, SO, YOU KNOW, THEY, THE, THIS GROUP, THIS CORE TEAM, THIS GROUP OF, OF PEOPLE REALLY, REALLY DO A LOT WITHIN OUR DEPARTMENT.
UM, WE'LL, WE'LL MOVE ON TO, UH, ITEM THREE, UH, DISCUSSION DIRECTION REGARDING POTENTIAL REPLACEMENT OF HOUSING AND URBAN DEVELOPMENT FUNDING FROM THE CITY FUNDS AND MANAGEMENT AND DISTRIBUTION OF HUD OR CITY FUNDS IN PROGRAMS. I THINK, UH, SHELBY, YOU ASKED FOR THIS TO BE, UH, PUT ON THE AGENDA.
SO I'LL PUT IT, I'LL GIVE IT TO YOU.
SO, AS A, AS I SAID, THIS TIES IN WITH THE PREVIOUS DISCUSSION.
UM, AND I THINK AFTER HAVING LISTENED TO THAT DISCUSSION, I FEEL EVEN MORE STRONGLY, UH, THIS HAS BEEN WEIGHING ON ME FOR A FEW MONTHS.
AND I WOULD LIKE TO EXPLORE THE CITY OF PLANO NO LONGER BEING, THIS IS THE PUNCHLINE, NO LONGER BEING A RECIPIENT OF HUD FUNDS.
INSTEAD, REPLACING THE NET FUNDS THAT WE RECEIVE FROM HUD OURSELVES AND ADMINISTERING THOSE FUNDS TO PUT TO PRETTY MUCH THE SAME USES THAT WE CURRENTLY USE FOR HUD FUNDS THROUGH OUR COMMUNITY PARTNERS.
SO NOW I'LL DELIVER, DELIVER THE PUNCHLINE.
SO ONE OF THE THINGS ABOUT BEING A HUD RECIPIENT IS THE REQUIRED REPORTING.
UM, SO WE ARE REQUIRED TO PRODUCE CERTAIN REPORTS TO SHOW HOW WE ARE TRACKING THE USE OF HUD MONEY WE'RE REQUIRED TO WORK WITHIN HUD'S FRAMEWORK.
UM, AND NOW WITH NEW RULES PROPOSED BY HUD, WE'RE, UM, PROSPECTIVELY REQUIRED TO ADD A WHOLE OTHER REPORT TO THE REPERTOIRE, UM, WITH THE, WITH THE, UH, OVERHEAD THAT THAT COMES WITH, AND THE FRAMEWORK THAT THAT ENTAILS.
I'VE INCREASINGLY FELT OVER THE PAST SEVERAL MONTHS THAT THE FRAMEWORK THAT HUD REQUIRES US TO WORK THROUGH TO USE THE FUNDS THAT THEY GIVE US, WHICH ARE TAXPAYER FUNDS IN THE END ANYWAY, HAS LOCKED US FOR THE PAST 40 YEARS, REALLY, SINCE WE STARTED RECEIVING HUD FUNDS 37 YEARS INTO AN ARTIFICIAL WAY OF THINKING ABOUT HOW TO ADDRESS THESE PROBLEMS IN OUR COMMUNITY.
THEY ARE VERY REAL PROBLEMS. WE FOLLOW THE HUD CHECK BOXES, WE APPLY THE HUD FORMULAS, WE SAY WE'RE GOING TO DO THESE THINGS.
AND THE FOLKS FROM HUD PRINCIPALLY IN WASHINGTON DC THEY DON'T UNDERSTAND ANYTHING ABOUT NORTH TEXAS.
ONE OF THE BIGGEST THINGS THEY DON'T UNDERSTAND IS THEY PROMOTE THE NEED FOR AFFORDABLE RENTAL, PROPERTY RENTAL, RENTAL RENTAL, MULTI-FAMILY, MULTI-FAMILY.
MULTI-FAMILY IS THE TEXAS PROPERTY TAX SYSTEM, WHICH ABSOLUTELY PUMS RENTERS AND THE RENTAL OWNERS, WHEN LOWER INCOME INDIVIDUALS ARE NOT AFFORDED PROTECTIONS, AS GENERAL RENTALS ARE NOT UNDER THE TEXAS PROPERTY TAX SYSTEM, THEY DON'T GET HOMESTEAD EXEMPTIONS.
THEY DON'T GET OVER 65 TAX FREEZE, THEY DON'T GET THE, UM, THE LIMITATIONS ON THE INCREASE IN TAXABLE VALUE.
THEY JUST GET HIT FULL IN THE FACE WITH THE TAX BILL THAT COMES FROM RISING PROPERTY VALUES.
THIS, I THINK I'VE SAID THIS FROM THE DIAS BEFORE, BUT THIS REALLY GOT BROUGHT HOME TO ME IN 2019 WHEN, UH, AFTER THE ANNUAL PROPERTY TAX 1 0 1 SEMINAR I DELIVER.
I SPOKE WITH A GENTLEMAN WHO ATTENDED THE SEMINAR.
HE HAD A RENTAL PROPERTY THAT HE RENTED TO A WIDOW.
IT WAS ON A FIXED INCOME, YOU KNOW, OLDER LADY BEING ON A FIXED INCOME.
SHE COULD NO LONGER AFFORD TO PAY THE RENT BECAUSE THE PROPERTY TAXES ON THAT PROPERTY HAD GONE UP SO PRECIPITOUSLY BECAUSE PROPERTY VALUES HAD GONE UP SO PRECIPITOUSLY AND BEING A RENTAL PROPERTY GOT NONE OF THE PROTECTIONS THAT HOMEOWNER GET.
HE WAS THEN SUBSIDIZING HER TO LIVE IN HIS OWN RENTAL PROPERTY BECAUSE HE DIDN'T WANT TO HAVE TO EVICT HER.
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MAYBE A LITTLE BIT OF AN OUTSIDE EXAMPLE, BUT IT'S BECOMING MORE COMMON.AND THE, BRINGING THIS BACK TO THE ISSUE OF QUOTE UNQUOTE AFFORDABLE HOUSING AND HOMELESSNESS AND EVERYTHING, HUD HAS NO IDEA ABOUT THE DYNAMICS OF NORTH TEXAS AND HOW TO ADDRESS OUR PROBLEMS. AND WHEN WE WORK WITHIN HUD'S FRAMEWORK, WHEN WE CHECK HUD'S BOXES, WHEN WE APPLY THEIR FORMULAS, WE ARE ADDRESSING THE PROBLEMS IN OUR COMMUNITY ACCORDING TO WASHINGTON DC'S WAY OF THINKING.
NOW, WHAT DO WE DO ABOUT IT? I WOULD LIKE TO EXPLORE FREEING OURSELVES OF THAT ARTIFICIAL FRAME OF REFERENCE.
WE GET AROUND 2 MILLION A YEAR IN HUD FUNDS BETWEEN HOME AND CDBG.
LESS THAN THAT IS THE NET AMOUNT AFTER THE CITY OF PLANOS CUT.
AS WE UH, DISCUSSED IN THE LAST DISCUSSION, THAT'S ABOUT ONE QUARTER OF 1% OF OUR TOTAL CITY BUDGET.
THAT'S ONE 400TH OF OUR BUDGET.
I WOULD LIKEWISE LIKE TO EXPLORE COMING UP WITH THAT MONEY OURSELVES AND PUTTING IT TO THE SAME USES.
I THINK I'VE, I'VE BEEN A BIT OF A BROKEN RECORD ABOUT HOMELESSNESS PREVENTION.
I THINK, UH, AN OUNCE OF PREVENTION IS WORTH A POUND OF CURE, AND I THINK THAT'S A WORTHY USE OF THE MONEY.
BUT LIKEWISE, HOUSING REHABILITATION, THAT'S COME UP A COUPLE OF TIMES AND RELATIVELY RECENTLY.
UM, AND AS LORI POINTED OUT, WHEN THERE ARE SIGNIFICANT STRUCTURAL ISSUES WITH A HOME THAT A LOW INCOME HOMEOWNER JUST CANNOT AFFORD TO TAKE CARE OF, THAT'S WHERE THESE FUNDS CAN SERVEE A REAL PURPOSE, UH, THAT WE ALREADY USE HUD FUNDS FOR NOW.
WE ALREADY HAVE A GREAT MECHANISM FOR VETTING AND DISTRIBUTING CITY PROVIDED FUNDS THROUGH OUR COMMUNITY PARTNERS, OUR NONPROFIT PARTNERS, OUR FAITH PARTNERS ARE BY AND LARGE, MUCH CLOSER TO THESE ISSUES AND MUCH BETTER EQUIPPED AND MUCH MORE SKILLED AT STRETCHING A DOLLAR THAN WE ARE.
AND THERE'S NOTHING, NOTHING ABOUT A GOVERNMENT SALARY THAT CONVEYS OR IMPARTS ANY UNIQUE EXPERTISE ABOUT THESE MATTERS.
AND WE ALREADY GO THROUGH THE PROGRAM WITH OUR BUFFINGTON GRANT DELIVERY.
WE EVALUATE COMMUNITY PARTNERS TO TAKE CARE OF SPECIFIC NEEDS.
IT'S NOT JUST HERE, HAVE SOME MONEY, EVERYBODY DO WITH IT, WHATEVER YOU LIKE.
WE HAVE A VERY REGIMENTED PROGRAM FOR THAT.
WE TRACK IT, WE REPORT ON IT ALREADY, BUT IT'S ACCORDING TO OUR TERMS, ADDRESSING THE NEEDS IN OUR COMMUNITY OUR WAY, WHICH I REALLY, REALLY THINK WE SHOULD PURSUE.
THAT'S WHAT I REALLY WANT TO DO.
NOW, IF WE TURN DOWN THE HUD MONEY AND WE DO THIS OURSELVES, THAT MONEY ISN'T GONNA VANISH.
IT'S NOT GONNA GO INTO THE ETHER.
IT'S GONNA GO BACK INTO THE HUD POOL, AND IT'S GOING TO GO TO A COMMUNITY, TO A CITY THAT IS IN MUCH GREATER NEED THAN PLANO.
LET'S FACE IT, AS PLANO AS THE CITY OF EXCELLENCE, WE ARE IN A FAR BETTER POSITION TO ADDRESS THESE NEEDS OURSELVES THAN MANY CITIES AROUND THE COUNTRY.
MORE, I WON'T SAY MORE DESERVING, BUT CERTAINLY CITIES IN GREATER NEED THAN PLANO WILL GET THAT FUNDING.
MAYBE CITIES LOCALLY WILL GET THAT FUNDING, AND WE CAN BE FREED TO ADDRESS THESE PROBLEMS IN A CREATIVE WAY THAT ADAPTS TO OUR CHANGING LANDSCAPE, DEMOGRAPHY, POST PANDEMIC CONDITIONS, ET CETERA, IN A WAY THAT HUD IS SIMPLY NOT CONTEMPLATING FOR OUR UNIQUE SLICE OF TEXAS.
ANY THOUGHTS? COUNCILMAN SMITH? THANK YOU, MAYOR.
UH, Y WELL, I AGREE WITH, UH, SOME OF THE, UH, THE, UH, CONCLUSIONS THAT, UH, COUNCIL MAYOR WILLIAMS HAS, HAS COME UP WITH, AND, AND THE INITIAL, I GUESS, UH, CONCERNS I HAD, AND REASON I WAS INTERESTED IN TAKING A LOOK AT WHETHER WE SHOULD CONTINUE TAKE, UH, THE HUD FUNDS OR NOT, HAD TO DO SIMPLY WITH, UH, WITH THE, THE COST OF THE ADMINISTRATIVE OVERHEAD.
AND MY THOUGHT WAS, IS IF, UM, BY NOT TAKING THOSE FUNDS, AND AS COUNCILMAN WILLIAMS SAID, WE AS A CITY ARE AN UNFORTUNATE POSITION THAT I THINK WE COULD MAKE IT UP AND, AND, AND DO A GOOD JOB AND CONTINUE PROVIDING THE HELP TO, TO PEOPLE THAT, UH, THAT WE DO NOW.
UH, BUT AS WE WENT FURTHER ALONG, DID SOME RESEARCH AND INFORMATION, UH, YOU KNOW, FROM THE CITY THAT, UH, ESSENTIALLY EVEN IF WE WERE NOT TO, TO TAKE THE FUNDS AND WE PROVIDED THE PLUMBING OURSELVES AND CONTINUE DOING THE WORK, WE WOULD ESSENTIALLY HAVE, LET'S SAY, 80% OF THE SAME ADMINISTRATIVE LOAD ON OUR
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STAFF.SO THAT REALLY IS NOT GONNA SAVE US ANY MONEY THAT I THOUGHT COULD HAVE BEEN APPLIED TO DO, YOU KNOW, DOING IT OURSELF AND MAYBE, YOU KNOW, ENHANCE AND IMPROVE THE PROGRAMS. BUT, UH, I, I DON'T THINK THAT'S GONNA, UH, HAPPEN IF WE WERE TO, UH, CEASE, UH, RECEIVING THE HUD VAS.
SO MY THOUGHT WOULD BE THAT IF WE'RE GOING TO STILL HAVE THE SAME ADMINISTRATIVE BURDEN, WE MIGHT AS WELL GET SOME OF OUR TAXPAYER MONEY BACK TO DO THE GOOD WORK THAT WE'RE DOING ALREADY, UH, PROVIDING FOR, UH, AFFORDABLE HOUSING AND HOMELESS PROGRAMS AND THINGS LIKE THAT.
YEAH, I WAS JUST TRYING TO LET EVERYBODY SPEED.
YOU'VE, YOU'VE HAD PLENTY OF TIME.
LET'S GO AROUND THE, THE ROOM.
IF YOU HAVE A REBUTTAL, WE CAN DO THAT.
WELL, I JUST WANNA GET, GO AHEAD.
UM, UH, THANK YOU COUNCILMAN SMITH.
WHEN YOU SAY 80% OF THE SAME AD ADMIN ADMINISTRATIVE BURDEN, WHAT IS THAT? UH, JUST, UH, AS I UNDERSTAND IT, UH, FROM THE, UH, THE REPORTS AND THE FORMS AND THINGS THAT WOULD STILL BE NECESSARY TO BE PROVIDED TO, UH, TO SHOW THAT WE ARE DOING THE GOOD WORK THEY'RE DOING, WE'RE JUST NOW WE'D BE DOING IT WITH OUR FUNDS.
UH, IT WOULDN'T, IT WOULDN'T REALLY ELIMINATE, UH, A LOT OF THE REPORTING, UH, REQUIREMENTS THAT WE HAVE TO DO NOW.
AND THAT, THAT WAS WHAT ONE OF MY THOUGHTS WAS THAT IT WOULD GIVE US MORE FREEDOM TO, TO DO BETTER WORK LOCALLY WITH OUR OWN FUNDS, WITH LESS RESTRICTION ON ADMINISTRATIVE FUNCTIONS.
BUT I DON'T THINK THAT WOULD HAPPEN IF WE WERE TO, TO STOP GIVING IT.
SO, AGAIN, I, I'M A PROPONENT WHEN WE PAY MONEY AS YOU SET OUT TO, YOU KNOW, TO THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT, WHEN WE HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO GET IT BACK, TO DO GOOD WORK WITH OUR, IN OUR OWN CITY, I THINK, YOU KNOW, WE PROBABLY SHOULD CONTINUE DOING THAT BASED ON WHAT I KNOW NOW.
PROTO, I JUST HAVE A QUESTION FOR THE CITY MANAGER.
UM, SO I KNOW 2 MILLION DOESN'T SOUND LIKE A LARGE PORTION OF OUR BUDGET, BUT IT WOULD HAVE TO COME FROM SOMEWHERE.
SO WHERE DO YOU THINK THAT IT WOULD COME FROM? WHAT WOULD WE BE TAKING AWAY TO COME UP WITH THIS $2 MILLION? WELL, MAYOR PROTON, I THINK IT'S, UH, FIRST OF ALL, IT WOULD COME FROM THE GENERAL FUND WOULD, WOULD BE THE, THE SOURCE OF THE FUNDS.
BUT I THINK IT'S, UM, A LITTLE AHEAD OF OUR BUDGETING PROCESS.
I WOULD WANT TO CONSIDER THAT AS PART OF THE OVERALL TOTALITY THAT WE CONSIDER THE BUDGET.
THERE'S A NUMBER OF THINGS THAT, UH, WILL BE COMING FORWARD THIS YEAR, AND ACTUALLY TONIGHT, KAREN RHODES IS GOING TO GO AHEAD AND, AND PRESENT, UH, THE THREE YEAR FINANCIAL FORECAST, WHICH ACTUALLY STARTS OUR BUDGET PROCESS.
SO, UH, I THINK IT'S, IT'S ALWAYS A CHALLENGE TO MAKE DECISIONS WITHOUT LINKING THEM TOGETHER FOR THE TOTAL, UH, ASPECT OF THE BUDGET.
SO I, I WOULDN'T WANT TO GET TOO FAR AHEAD OF THAT.
HOWEVER, IF COUNCIL GIVES THAT DIRECTION THAT SAYS, INCORPORATE THIS INTO THE BUDGET, IT WOULD HAVE TO COME BACK THROUGH THE GENERAL FUND.
SO, I, I THINK THAT COUNCIL MEMBER WILLIAMS RAISES SOME, SOME EXCELLENT POINTS.
UH, YOU KNOW, IT'S VERY UNFORTUNATE THAT THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT TAXES INDIVIDUALS FROM COMMUNITIES ACROSS THE COUNTRY, INCLUDING PLANO, AND THEN DOLES THAT MONEY BACK OUT TO THOSE COMMUNITIES WITH STRINGS ATTACHED ON HOW IT CAN BE USED.
IT WOULD BE MUCH BETTER IF THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT LEFT THAT MONEY IN OUR COMMUNITY AND IN OTHER COMMUNITIES ACROSS THE COUNTRY, SO THAT THE, THE PEOPLE'S LOCAL ELECTED REPRESENTATIVES COULD CREATE LOCAL SOLUTIONS TO THE CRITICAL ISSUES OF HOMELESSNESS, HOUSING, AFFORDABILITY, LAND USE, AND ZONING.
UH, INSTEAD OF HAVING TO GO WITH ONE SIZE FITS ALL FEDERAL PRESCRIPTIONS FOR HOW TO DEAL WITH THOSE ISSUES.
UM, THAT BEING SAID, WE'RE NOT GOING TO BE ABLE TO CHANGE, UH, THE TAXES THAT ARE BEING LEVIED BY, BY THE, THE FEDERAL CONGRESS AND THE, AND THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT, WHETHER WE TAKE THESE FUNDS OR NOT.
UH, YOU KNOW, IF, IF WE DON'T TAKE THESE FUNDS, WE'LL HAVE TO ESSENTIALLY TAX PLANO RESIDENTS A SECOND TIME AFTER, AFTER THEY'VE ALREADY PAID THOSE INCOME TAXES TO THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT, UH, TO THEN DO THIS LOCALLY.
UM, SO WHILE, WHILE I THINK COUNCIL MEMBER WILLIAMS RAISES GREAT POINTS, BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT CREATES UNHELPFUL REQUIREMENTS THAT DO NOT HELP US SOLVE THE UNIQUE LOCAL NEEDS OF OUR COMMUNITY, UH, THAT DOESN'T MEAN THAT THERE'S NO UTILITY IN THESE FUNDS AT ALL, AND THE THINGS THAT THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT'S NOT ALLOWING US TO DO, WE COULD POTENTIALLY LOOK AT APPROPRIATING ADDITIONAL MONEY TO DO THOSE THINGS, BUT THEN IT WOULDN'T HAVE TO BE THE WHOLE 2 MILLION, IT WOULD BE WHATEVER THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT'S NOT LETTING US DO.
IF THERE'S $300,000 THAT, YOU KNOW, THAT WE CAN'T DO WITH THE FEDERAL FUNDS THAT WE NEED TO DO IN PLANO, THAT WOULD BE A LOT LESS EXPENSIVE THAN THE WHOLE 2 MILLION.
SO, WHILE I, WHILE I DO THINK IT'S A, A, A GREAT POINT BECAUSE THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT IS, YOU KNOW, IS, IS TAKING MONEY, AND REALLY ALL THEY DO IS ADD STRINGS AND GIVE IT BACK TO US, THAT'S BAD POLICY.
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I DON'T SEE HOW OUR RESIDENTS BENEFIT FROM US REPLACING 100% OF THESE FUNDS WITH THEIR PROPERTY TAXES.SO, UH, UH, UNFORTUNATE, AND, AND, AND, AND I, I UNDERSTAND BY THE WAY THAT THE COUNCIL MEMBER WILLIAMS, YOU KNOW, MAKES A GREAT POINT THAT THE, THE FEDERAL FUNDS DON'T GO AWAY.
MAYBE THEY GO TO A NEEDIER COMMUNITY, WHICH, WHICH IS GREAT, BUT I, I, I STILL JUST, YOU KNOW, DON'T, DON'T ULTIMATELY THINK THAT THIS WILL BE IN THE CITY OF PLANOS BEST INTEREST.
SO, DEPUTY MEYER PRO TOWN, THANK YOU, MAYOR.
UH, DESPITE THE FACT THAT COUNCILMAN WILLIAM, I RESPECT YOU AND LOVE YOU.
I DO NOT AGREE WITH YOU AT ALL WITH REGARD TO LOOKING AT DIFFERENT DIRECTIONS AND ALSO TO EVEN CONSIDER THE REPLACEMENT OF HUD'S MONEY WITH OUR OWN CITY MONEY.
UM, I BELIEVE THAT THE HUD WAS ESTABLISHED FOR A REASON AND FOR A VERY GOOD REASON.
UM, NOT EVERYBODY IS LIKE THE CITY OF PLANO, WHERE WE ARE AN EXCELLENT CITY IN WHICH WE, UM, NOT ONLY PROTECT THOSE PEOPLE WHO ARE LOW INCOME, WE PROTECT FAIR HOUSING FOR EVERY INDIVIDUAL THAT COMES INTO OUR CITY.
AND THAT WE TRY TO MAKE SURE THAT, UM, AFFORDABLE HOUSING IS AVAILABLE THROUGH THE MONEY THAT WE ARE ALLOWED IN OUR BUDGET, AS WELL AS FROM THE HUD FUNDING.
UM, NOT ALL CITIES ARE LIKE THAT.
AND THAT'S THE REASON WHY THE HUD POLICY, IT WASN'T CREATED IN THE FIRST PLACE TO PROTECT.
NOW, I UNDERSTAND THAT LEADERSHIP TAKES TWO FORMS. ONE OF 'EM IS, UM, A LEADERSHIP OF REVOLUTION.
IN OTHER WORDS, YOU GO OUT OF THE SYSTEM, YOU BREAK THE SYSTEM, AND THEN YOU REVOKE AND REBEL AGAINST THE SYSTEM.
THEN THERE'S ANOTHER LEADERSHIP IN WHICH YOU WORK WITHIN THE SYSTEM.
AND I BELIEVE THAT IN THE CITY OF PLANO, WE NEED TO WORK WITHIN THE SYSTEM, AND WE NEED TO USE WHAT IS GIVEN TO US AS TOOLS, BECAUSE AFTER ALL, WE ARE A CITY, ONE OF THE MANY CITIES IN THE STATE OF TEXAS.
HOWEVER, YOU KNOW, IF THE STATE OF TEXAS WANTED TO TAKE ON SOMETHING AS REVOLUTIONARY AS, YOU KNOW, THE BREAKING AWAY FROM THE HUDSON, THAT'S, THAT'S A DIFFERENT STORY.
BUT AS A CITY WITH OUR TAXPAYER'S DOLLARS ON, ON THE LINE, I AGREE WITH COUNCILMAN SMITH, AND I AGREE WITH COUNCILMAN ELLI THAT WE NEED TO TAKE THE TAX DOLLARS THAT ARE, THAT ARE GIVEN BACK TO US, AND WE NEED TO USE IT IN A WAY THAT WILL BENEFIT OUR RESIDENTS IN THE MOST BENEFICIAL WAY AND WORKING WITHIN THE HUB FRAMEWORK AND WORKING WITHIN THE HUD SYSTEM.
UM, SO I, I ABSOLUTELY WILL NOT GO DOWN THE DIRECTION OF EVEN HAVING FURTHER DISCUSSION OR EVEN A, A CONSIDERATION OF A REPLACEMENT, UM, TOPIC.
UH, I THINK I'LL JUST TAKE A HAND COUNT ON THE DIRECTION HERE.
I THINK I'VE HEARD, UH, THOSE THAT WANT TO CONTINUE RECEIVING, UH, HOUSING AND URBAN DEVELOPMENT FUNDING, PLEASE RAISE YOUR HAND AND OKAY.
AND THOSE THAT DO NOT, I'M SORRY, CAN YOU REPEAT THAT NOW? I DIDN'T HEAR YOU VERY WELL.
WELL, YOU JUST GAVE A, A LOVELY SPEECH, AND I THINK I, I THINK I KNOW YOUR DIRECTION, BUT I ASKED FOR YOU TO RAISE YOUR HAND IF YOU WANTED TO CONTINUE RECEIVING HUD FUNDS.
SO THAT WOULD BE SIX TWO, IT WASN'T GOING TO MAKE A DIFFERENCE.
UH, MR. ME, DID WE HAVE, UM, SINCE WE MIXED THOSE TWO A LITTLE BIT, DID WE HAVE CLARIFICATION ON ITEM ONE? BECAUSE ITEM TWO, ITEM TWO, YEAH.
UH, ITEM TWO, I WANTED TO MAKE SURE WE HAD CLARIFICATION.
I THINK SO I, UH, MARK AND, AND LAURIE, I, I, I THINK WE, SO THAT THERE WERE SEVERAL, UH, SEVERAL AREAS, UH, TO BRING BACK THE, THE UPDATED PROCESS THAT WE'RE IN THE PROCESS OF REVIEWING TO BRING BACK THE COUNCIL AS QUICKLY AS POSSIBLE.
UM, AS SOON AS WE'VE REVIEWED THAT, THE GRANT PROCESS, INCLUDING THE RUBRIC, UM, FOR COUNCIL TO BE ABLE TO SEE THE, THE GRANT PROCESS, UH, AND I WOULD INCLUDE THAT WITH THE APPLICATION AND ANY MATERIALS THAT GO WITH THAT, THAT COUNCIL IS ABLE TO SEE THOSE ASPECTS AS WELL AS THE RUBRIC AND BRING THAT BACK, UH, IN A, A TIMELY, AS TIMELY MANNER AS WE CAN POSSIBLY GET IT TO, TO TRY TO BEAT THAT GRANT PROCESS TIMELINE SO THAT COUNCIL CAN, UM, LAY EYES ON THAT AND PROVIDE ANY FEEDBACK THAT MIGHT BE CONCERNING.
THE, THE OTHER ELEMENT, UM, THAT WE WERE, UH, ASKED TO, TO GO BACK AND LOOK AT, I BELIEVE WAS THE ASPECT OF, UM, POLICY, THE POLICY PROGRAM POLICIES WITH REGARD TO WORK THAT'S BEING DONE
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BY STAFF IN PROVIDING A REPORT BACK TO COUNSEL ON, UH, ON THOSE ELEMENTS.YEAH, CUZ I THINK THE, THE SECOND PART THAT YOU JUST MENTIONED IS IMPORTANT.
YEAH, FOR A COUPLE OF REASONS.
ONE, I, I REALLY DON'T WANT US TO BE A WHOLE SERIES OF GENERAL CONTRACTORS WITHIN THE CITY DOING REHABS, AND WE'RE DOING THE GENERAL, WE'RE DOING A GC WORK.
AND THEN, AND THEN, UM, UH, WHERE THERE ARE A LOT OF REALLY GOOD, ARE A LOT OF REALLY GOOD GENERAL CONTRACTORS OUT IN THE COMMUNITY.
AND, AND SO I THINK WE NEED TO USE THE, THE COMMUNITY MORE THAN OUR OWN, OUR OWN PEOPLE.
SO, UM, I WANTED TO, I WANTED TO STRESS THAT FROM THE STANDPOINT.
I ALSO WANTED TO STRESS FROM THE STANDPOINT THAT IF WE, YOU KNOW, AGAIN, AS I MENTIONED, IF WE CAN'T FIX SOMETHING, THEN WE NEED TO STOP WHAT WE'RE DOING.
UM, AND I SAY THAT ESPECIALLY ON THE HOME FUNDS, WHICH IS WHY I VOTED THE WAY THAT I DID ON THE THIRD MEASURE, UM, ESPECIALLY ON THE HOME FUNDS, BECAUSE IT COMES WITH A EARMARK FOR A CHOTO, UM, AND 15% HAS TO BE SPUN OFF INTO A CHOTO.
EVENTUALLY THAT MONEY HAS TO GO BACK AND IT MAKES US LOOK BAD.
SO WE'VE GOTTA DO SOMETHING THERE TO FIX THAT.
SO LAST THING, I, WE DO CURRENTLY HAVE A CHOTO, IT'S NOT LOCATED IN PLANO.
THERE, WE'RE DOING WORK IN PLANO, BUT THEY'RE OUT OF FORT WORTH.
SO WE DO CURRENTLY HAVE THE CHOTO.
AND TO MY KNOWLEDGE, I'M JUST DOUBLE CHECKING.
I THINK WE'VE TURNED BACK ONE ELEMENT OF FUNDS, UH, AS FAR AS, UH, FEDERAL FUNDS.
CAN YOU, UM, IT WAS ACTUALLY STATE FUNDS, THANK YOU.
AND, UM, THAT WAS, UH, BECAUSE ONE OF OUR NONPROFITS WAS NOT ABLE TO EXPEND IT.
SO I AGREE WITH YOU, COUNCILMAN, IF WE GET THE FUNDS WE NEED TO SPEND THE FUNDS IN, IN THE COMMUNITY, AND WE WILL BRING BACK THOSE REPORTS AND, UH, AND THOSE UPDATED POLICIES AND PROCESSES.
UH, ITEM FOUR, CONSENT AND REGULAR AGENDAS.
ITEM FIVE, COUNSEL ITEMS FOR, UH, DISCUSSION ACTION ON FUTURE AGENDAS.
[CONSENT AGENDA]
LET'S MOVE ON TO THE CONSENT AGENDA.WE, WE WERE THE HAIR AND THE TORTOISE, AND WE JUST CAUGHT UP WITH THE HAIR
THE CONSENT AGENDA, THE CONSENT AGENDA WILL BE ACTED UPON IN ONE MOTION AND CONTAINS ITEMS WHICH ARE ROUTINE.
AND TYPICALLY NON-CONTROVERSIAL ITEMS MAY BE REMOVED FROM THIS AGENDA FOR INDIVIDUAL DISCUSSION BY A COUNCIL MEMBER, THE CITY MANAGER, OR ANY CITIZEN.
THE PRESIDING OFFICER WILL ESTABLISH TIME LIMITS BASED UPON THE NUMBER OF SPEAKER REQUESTS.
MOTION TO APPROVE THE CONSENT AGENDA AS PRESENTED.
YOU, YOU CAN CALL THE SECOND IF YOU'D LIKE.
I HAVE A MOTION TO SECOND TO APPROVE THE CONSENT AGENDA, PLEASE VOTE.
NEXT ITEM, PUBLIC HEARING ITEMS. APPLICANTS ARE LIMITED TO 15 MINUTES PRESENTATION TIME WITH A FIVE MINUTE, FIVE MINUTE REBUTTAL IF NEEDED.
REMAINING SPEAKERS ARE LIMITED TO 30 TOTAL MINUTES OF TESTIMONY TIME WITH THREE MINUTES ASSIGNED PER SPEAKER.
THE PRESIDING OFFICER MAY AMEND THESE TIMES AS DEEMED NECESSARY NON-PUBLIC HEARING ITEMS. PRESIDING OFFICER OFFICER WILL PERMIT PUBLIC COMMENT ON THE ITEMS NOT POSTED FOR A PUBLIC HEARING.
THE PRESIDING OFFICER WILL ESTABLISH TIME LIMITS BASED UPON THE NUMBER OF SPEAKER REQUESTS, LENGTH OF THE AGENDA, AND TO ENSURE MEETING EFFICIENCY AND MAY INCLUDE A CUMULATIVE TIME LIMIT.
SPEAKERS WILL BE CALLED IN ORDER.
THE REQUESTS ARE RECEIVED UNTIL THE CUMULATIVE TIME IS EXHAUSTED.
[(1)
Consideration to approve an increase to the current awarded contract amount of $22,831,865 by $4,699,665, for a total contract amount of $27,531,530, for Collin Creek Culvert Improvements, Project No. 6804.1, from Ragle, Inc. d/b/a Ragle Construction, Inc. for the Engineering Department; and authorizing the City Manager to execute all necessary documents. (Contract No. 2021-0253-B, Change Order No. 2)
]ITEM NUMBER ONE, CONSIDERATION TO APPROVE AN INCREASE TO THE CURRENT AWARDED CONTRACT AMOUNT OF $22,831,865 BY $4,699,665 FOR A TOTAL CONTRACT AMOUNT OF 27,531,500 AND 500 $530.THERE'S TOO MANY NUMBERS FOR COLLIN CREEK CULVERT IMPROVEMENTS, PROJECT NUMBER 68 0 4 0.1 FROM REGAL INCORPORATED, DOING BUSINESS AS REGAL
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CONSTRUCTION INCORPORATED FOR THE ENGINEERING DEPARTMENT AND AUTHORIZING THE CITY MANAGER TO EXECUTE ALL NECESSARY DOCUMENTS.UH, MY NAME IS CALEB THORNHILL, DIRECTOR OF ENGINEERING.
AND, UH, TONIGHT, THE ITEM BEFORE YOU IS A CHANGE ORDER FOR THE COLLIN CREEK CULVERT PROJECT.
UH, THIS CHANGE ORDER IS NEEDED BECAUSE THE DESIGN HAS BEEN REVISED.
UH, THERE'S BEEN STEEL THAT HAS BEEN ADDED TO THE DESIGN TO ENSURE IT'S LIFE EXPECTANCY.
AND THERE HAS BEEN, UH, STEEL THAT HAS BEEN ADJUSTED FROM A PLACEMENT, UM, FROM A, A SCHEDULE STANDPOINT.
THERE ALREADY IS STEEL IN THE EXISTING TUNNEL, SO SOME OF THAT WILL HAVE TO, UH, BE CHANGED.
UM, BUT, UH, BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY OTHER QUESTIONS YOU MAY HAVE ON THIS PROJECT.
MAYOR, PROTO, I JUST WANTED TO, UM, CLARIFY OR CONFIRM THAT EVEN IF THE CONCRETE MALL DEVELOPMENT WASN'T GOING TO HAPPEN IN ITS CURRENT FORM THAT WE'RE WORKING ON, AT SOME POINT, THESE CULVERTS, WHICH WERE OUR RESPONSIBILITY, THEY WOULD'VE HAD TO BE REINFORCED WHETHER WE HAD A NEW MALL OR NOT, CORRECT? THAT'S CORRECT.
TH THOSE WERE BUILT, I BELIEVE IN 79 OR 80.
THEY WOULD HAVE TO BE REHABBED.
ANY OTHER, ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? DO I HAVE A MOTION THIS, THIS IS NOT A PUBLIC HEARING.
HAVE A, UH, MOTION AND A SECOND TO APPROVE.
AGENDA ITEM NUMBER ONE, PLEASE VOTE MARIA TO VOTE.
[(2) Consideration to approve a settlement agreement between the City of Plano and Collin Creek Development, LLC regarding design of culverts and authorizing the City Manager to execute all necessary documents consistent with the deal points listed herein and as presented by staff.]
ITEM TWO, ITEM TWO, CONSIDERATION TO PR TO APPROVE A SETTLEMENT AGREEMENT BETWEEN THE CITY OF PLANO AND COLLIN CREEK DEVELOPMENT L L C REGARDING DESIGN OF CULVERTS AND AUTHORIZING THE CITY MANAGER TO EXECUTE ALL NECESSARY DOC DOCUMENTS CONSISTENT WITH THE DEAL POINTS LISTED HEREIN AND AS PRESENTED BY STAFF MAYOR AND COUNSEL.THE CHANGE ORDER REQUIRED, UH, SOME COST SHARING BETWEEN US AND OUR PARTNERS.
UM, AND THIS WOULD PR APPROVE THE SETTLEMENT AGREEMENT TO DO THAT COST SHARING.
I HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND TO APPROVE.
AGENDA ITEM NUMBER TWO, PLEASE VOTE 3 82.
[(3) Discussion and direction re: Certification of Emerging and Reliable Transportation Technology (CERTT) program - Swyft Cities ]
ITEM NUMBER THREE, DISCUSSION AND DIRECTION REGARDING CERTIFY CERTIFICATION OF EMERGING AND RELIABLE TRANSPORTATION TECH TECHNOLOGY PROGRAM, SWIFT CITIES.MY NAME IS BRIAN SHUKI, PLANS TRANSPORTATION ENGINEERING MANAGER.
AND TODAY I'M GONNA GIVE YOU A BRIEF OVERVIEW OF A TRANSPORTATION, UH, PROGRAM THAT NORTH CENTRAL TEXAS COUNCIL OF GOVERNMENTS INITIATED THIS YEAR, UH, I'M SORRY, INITIATED LAST YEAR.
SO IF YOU RECALL, UH, OCTOBER, UH, 2022, UH, CALEB THORNHILL, EXCUSE ME.
I GAVE A PRESENTATION ON THIS, THIS NEW PROGRAM, AND WELL, I NEED A, I NEED A DRINK.
CALEB GAVE A BRIEF PRESENTATION, UM, AND SOUGHT COUNCIL CONCURRENCE TO SUBMIT AN APPLICATION, UH, UNDER THIS TRANSPORTATION PROGRAM.
UH, IT IS FOR INNOVATIVE TRANSPORTATION TECHNOLOGIES.
AND COG HAD DEVELOPED THIS PROGRAM AND INITIATED A CERTIFICATION PROCESS.
TWO COMPANIES HAD SUBMITTED TWO COG THAT WAS JPO, S AND, UH, TRANSPO.
AND WE DECIDED THAT WE WOULD LIKE TO, OR WE WANTED TO SUBMIT ON J PODS TO BEGIN THE DISCUSSIONS, UH, WITH, WITH J PODS.
UH, WE GOT COUNCIL CONCURRENCE, AND WE DID SUBMIT, AND WE DID GET SELECTED BY J PODS TO BEGIN DISCUSSIONS.
UH, DISCUSSIONS, QUITE FRANKLY, DID NOT GO VERY FAR.
UH, WE REQUESTED, UH, SPECIFIC INFORMATION FROM J KPOD, AND THEY HAVE YET TO PROVIDE THAT INFORMATION.
SO THE DISCUSSIONS AREN'T DEAD AT THIS POINT, BUT IT DOESN'T APPEAR THAT THEY'RE GONNA BE MOVING FORWARD, UH, EITHER.
SO, FAST FORWARD TO TODAY, AND COX HAS ANOTHER ROUND, ROUND TWO, UH, OF THIS TRANSPORTATION
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TECHNOLOGIES PROGRAM, AND ONE FIRM HAS SUBMITTED CALLED SWISS CITIES.UH, SWISS CITIES IS ACTUALLY A SPINOFF OF GOOGLE.
IT WAS ALL THE TECHNOLOGIES WERE DEVELOPED, UH, UNDER GOOGLE FOR A VERY SPECIFIC, UH, POINT TO MULTIPOINT, UH, PERSONAL TRANSIT SYSTEM THAT GOOGLE WANTED TO DEVELOP FOR ONE OF THEIR CAMPUSES.
THEY DEVELOPED THE PROGRAM, I'M SORRY, THEY DEVELOPED THE TECHNOLOGY.
UH, I THINK THEY ACTUALLY, UH, DECIDED NOT TO IMPLEMENT IT, BUT THEY SPUN IT OFF INTO A SEPARATE, SEPARATE COMPANY.
UH, SWIFT CITIES, LIKE J PODS IS A POINT TO MULTI-POINT PERSONAL AERIAL TRANSIT SYSTEM.
EACH VEHICLE IN, IN THE SYSTEMS WOULD ROUGHLY CARRY, UH, FOUR INDIVIDUALS AND, UH, SIMILAR TO J PODS.
SO CITIES WOULD USE A PHONE APP TO SCHEDULE, UH, A RIDE, UH, AND PAY FOR THE RIDE.
THAT'S THE, THAT, THAT'S THE COMPARISON.
THAT'S THE, THE, THE SIMILARITIES BETWEEN THE TWO.
BUT THERE ARE SOME MAJOR DIFFERENCES BETWEEN THE TWO COMPANIES.
UM, ONE IS JUST THE INFRASTRUCTURE REQUIRED.
UH, J PODS REQUIRES A, A CANTILEVER, UH, FIXED GUIDEWAY, UH, FOR THEIR, THEIR AERIAL SYSTEM.
UH, AND THEIR SUPPORT STRUCTURES ARE FAIRLY CLOSE TOGETHER.
SO CITIES USES, ACTUALLY USES A CABLE SYSTEM.
AND SO THEY CAN ACTUALLY GO 300 FEET BEFORE THEY HAVE TO HAVE SUPPORT STRUCTURES THAT ACTUALLY TRANSLATES INTO SIGNIFICANT COST SAVINGS.
SO IF YOU LOOK AT THE COST ON THIS PARTICULAR SLIDE, IT'S ROUGHLY HALF THE PRICE OF, OF J PODS.
SO CITIES IS, AND THE OTHER BIG DIFFERENCE IS JUST THE ELECTRICAL SERVICE.
SO BOTH SYSTEMS USE BATTERIES FOR THEIR, UH, OPERATION OF THEIR, UH, VEHICLE.
J PODS USES SOLAR FOR EVERYTHING ELSE, AND J PODS, I'M SORRY.
AND SWIFT CITIES USES, UM, ELECTRICAL SERVICE FOR THEIR STATIONS, AT WHICH POINT THEY WOULD RECHARGE THEIR BATTERIES FOR THEIR, THEIR VEHICLES.
AS FAR AS STATION CONF, UH, FIGURATIONS, UH, SUBSIDIES IS ACTUALLY VERY FLEXIBLE.