Feb 20, 2023 Planning and Zoning

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WELCOME TO THE FEBRUARY 20TH PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION.

I CALL A MEETING TO ORDER AT 7:00 PM IF YOU WOULD PLEASE RISE AND JOIN ME IN THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE, I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS, ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE, WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL COMMENTS OF PUBLIC INTEREST.

THIS PORTION OF THE MEETING IS TO ALLOW UP TO THREE MINUTES PER SPEAKER WITH 30 TOTAL MINUTES ON ITEMS OF INTEREST OR CONCERN AND NOT ON ITEMS THAT ARE ON THE CURRENT AGENDA.

THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION MAY NOT DISCUSS THESE ITEMS BUT MAY RESPOND WITH FACTUAL OR POLICY INFORMATION.

THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION MAY CHOOSE TO PLACE THE ITEM ON A FUTURE AGENDA.

THE PRESIDING OFFICER MAY MODIFY THESE TIMES AS DEEMED NECESSARY.

DO WE HAVE ANY SPEAKERS ON THIS ITEM? NO, WE DO NOT.

THANK YOU.

[CONSENT AGENDA]

CONSENT AGENDA PLEASE.

CONSENT AGENDA.

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THANK YOU.

WOULD ANYONE LIKE TO PULL AN ITEM FROM THE CONSENT AGENDA? BEING NONE.

CAN I GET A MOTION TO APPROVE? I MOVE.

WE APPROVE THE CONGEN CONSENT AGENDA HAS PRESENTED.

SECOND, I HAVE A MOTION BY COMMISSIONER BROSKY WITH A SECOND BY COMMISSIONER BRUNO.

TO APPROVE THE CONSENT AGENDA, PLEASE VOTE AND THAT CARRIES BY A VOTE OF FIVE TO ZERO.

LET THE RECORD SHOW WE ARE MISSING COMMISSIONER O AND COMMISSIONER CAREY.

AND WE HOPE TO HAVE OUR EIGHT, UH, PMZ MEMBER SEATED BY OUR NEXT MEETING.

OKAY, MOVING ON.

ITEMS FOR INDIVIDUAL CONSIDERATION.

PUBLIC HEARING ITEMS UNLESS INSTRUCTED OTHERWISE BY THE CHAIR, SPEAKERS WILL BE CALLED UPON IN ORDER.

REGISTRATIONS ARE RECEIVED.

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REMAINING SPEAKERS ARE LIMITED TO 30 TOTAL MINUTES OF TESTIMONY TIME WITH THREE MINUTES ASSIGNED PER SPEAKER.

PRESIDING OFFICER MAY MODIFY THESE TIMES AS DEEMED NECESSARY.

ADMINISTRATIVE CONSIDERATION ITEMS MUST BE APPROVED IF THEY MEET CITY DEVELOPMENT REGULATIONS.

LEGISLATIVE CONSIDERATION ITEMS ARE MORE DISCRETIONARY EXCEPT AS CONSTRAINED BY LEGAL CONSIDERATIONS.

[1. (DS) Public Hearing - Replat & Revised Site Plan: R.V. Service Center, Block 1, Lot 1R - Recreational vehicle parking lot on one lot on 9.5 acres located at the southeast corner of Plano Parkway and Stewart Avenue. Zoned Light Industrial-1 and located within the 190 Tollway/Plano Parkway Overlay District. Projects #R2022-044 and #RSP2022-055. Applicant: TBS Property Co. 20, LLC (Administrative consideration)]

RV SERVICE CENTER BLOCK ONE LOT ONE R RECREATION VEHICLE PARKING LOT ON ONE LOT ON 9.5 ACRES LOCATED AT THE SOUTHEAST CORNER OF PLANO PARKWAY AND STEWART AVENUE ZONED LIGHT INDUSTRIAL ONE AND LOCATED WITHIN THE ONE 90 TOLL WAY PLANO PARKWAY OVERLAY DISTRICT.

APPLICANT IS TBS PROPERTY COMPANY 20 L L C.

THIS IS FOR ADMINISTRATIVE CONSIDERATION.

GOOD EVENING, COMMISSIONER.

MY NAME IS DONNA OLVIDO.

I'M A SENIOR PLANNER WITH THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT AND THESE ITEMS ARE RECOMMENDED FOR APPROVAL AS SUBMITTED.

I'D BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

ARE THERE ANY TECHNICAL QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? ALRIGHT, THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

I WILL OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING.

DOES DOES THE APPLICANT WISH TO ADDRESS THE COMMISSION? HE IS HERE IF THERE ARE ANY QUESTIONS FROM THE COMMISSION.

OKAY.

ANYONE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT? ARE THERE ANY OTHER SPEAKERS ON THIS ITEM? NO, THERE ARE NOT.

THANK YOU.

I'LL CLOSE THE PUBLIC FIND DISCUSSION OF THE COMMISSION.

I MOVE.

WE APPROVE THIS ITEM AS SUBMITTED.

SECOND.

THIS SIDE OF THE AYES GETTING FAST OVER HERE.

ALL RIGHT, COMMISSIONER BROSKY, UH, MADE THE MOTION TO APPROVE SECOND BY COMMISSIONER TONG.

PLEASE VOTE THAT ITEM CARRIES FIVE ZERO NON-PUBLIC HEARING ITEMS. THE PRESIDING OFFICER WILL PERMIT LIMITED PUBLIC COMMENT FOR ITEMS ON THE AGENDA NOT POSTED FOR A PUBLIC HEARING.

THE PRESIDING OFFICER WILL ESTABLISH TIME LIMITS BASED UPON THE NUMBER OF SPEAKER LENGTH OF THE AGENDA AND TO ENSURE MEETING EFFICIENCY AND MAY INCLUDE A TOTAL TIME LIMIT AGENDA.

ITEM NUMBER TWO,

[2. (JA) Discussion and Direction: Thoroughfare Standards Rules and Regulations Update - Discussion and direction pertaining to Section 6: Special Streets as part of the update of the City’s Thoroughfare Standards Rules and Regulations. Applicant: City of Plano]

UPDATE DISCUSSION AND DIRECTION PERTAINING TO SECTION SIX SPECIAL STREETS AS PART OF THE UPDATE OF THE CITY'S THOROUGHFARE STANDARDS, RULES AND REGULATIONS.

APPLICANT IS CITY OF PLANO.

BEFORE YOU GET STARTED, COUPLE OF THINGS.

UM, THERE'S A LOT TYING THESE THREE ITEMS TOGETHER.

TWO,

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UH, IT WAS SUGGESTED MAYBE WE TRY TO PRESENT 'EM ALL AT ONCE.

THERE'S A VARIETY OF REASONS WHY THAT ISN'T GOING TO WORK, INCLUDING THE DIFFERENT SPEAKERS WE'RE GONNA HAVE, UH, UH, ADDRESSING EACH TOPIC.

FOR THOSE THAT ARE GOING TO SPEAK OR WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK ON THIS, EVEN THOUGH IT'S NOT A PUBLIC HEARING ITEM, I'LL OBVIOUSLY ALLOW YOU SOME TIME TO SPEAK.

IF YOU WANT TO SPEAK ON ITEM TWO, FEEL FREE TO THE EXTENT THAT THAT KIND OF OVERLAPS A LITTLE BIT WITH MAYBE WHAT YOU WANT TO MAKE A POINT OF.

AND THE OTHER ITEM, FEEL FREE TO GO AHEAD AND BRING THAT UP SO THAT YOU DON'T HAVE TO COME BACK UP THREE TIMES CAUSE SEVERAL OF YOU ARE WANTING TO SPEAK ON EACH ITEM.

OKAY.

PLEASE CONTINUE.

ALL RIGHT, THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

GOOD EVENING.

MY NAME IS JASON APRIL.

I'M THE SENIOR MOBILITY PLANNER WITH THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT.

THE PLANNING AND ENGINEERING DEPARTMENTS ARE WORKING TO UPDATE THE CITY'S THOROUGH FAIR STANDARDS, RULES AND REGULATIONS KNOWN SIMPLY AS THE THOROUGH FAIR STANDARDS.

THIS DOCUMENT WAS UPDATE, UM, REGULATES THE MINIMUM STANDARDS FOR THE DESIGN AND CONSTRUCTION OF STREETS, SIDEWALKS, AND OTHER ROADWAY DESIGN ELEMENTS WITHIN THE CITY.

THIS WAS LAST UPDATED IN 2009 AND THE CITY IS CONTRACTED WITH KIMLEY HORN AND ASSOCIATES TO ASSESS THE EXISTING THOROUGH FIRST STANDARDS AND DEVELOP NEW STANDARDS.

WE'RE AIMING TO FINALIZE THIS SPRING.

SINCE OCTOBER OF LAST YEAR, STAFF HAS BROUGHT MULTIPLE SECTIONS OF THE DRAFT THOROUGH FIRST STANDARDS BEFORE THE COMMISSION TO GATHER FEEDBACK.

AS WE FINALIZE THIS DOCUMENT.

TONIGHT IS THE LAST SCHEDULED PRESENTATION ON A SPECIFIC TOPIC.

SO YOU CAN SEE, UM, IN OCTOBER AND NOVEMBER WE BROUGHT, UH, THE STREET FRAMEWORK.

DECEMBER WE DID MULTIMODAL JANUARY, NEIGHBORHOOD TRAFFIC MANAGER AND TRAFFIC IMPACT ANALYSIS.

TONIGHT WE'RE ON SPECIAL STREETS AND UH, CALL FOR PUBLIC HEARING IS SCHEDULED IN MARCH.

OUR PLAN IS FOR THAT NEXT MEETING.

STAFF WILL ADD THE DRAFT TO THE CITY WEBSITE AND PROVIDE THE COMMISSION FULL COPIES OF THE THOROUGHFARE STANDARDS.

STAFF WILL ALSO PROVIDE COMPLETE DETAILS UNRELATED, UH, CHANGES INCLUDING IN THE ZONING AND THE SUBDIVISION ORDINANCE.

THAT WILL BE REQUIRED AS PART OF THE THOROUGH FIRST STANDARDS UPDATE.

STAFF WILL ALSO REQUEST THAT THE COMMISSION CALL A PUBLIC HEARING THAT WILL KICK OFF A MONTH AND A HALF OF PUBLIC OUTREACH, WHICH STAFF WILL DISCUSS LATER THIS EVENING.

IN ITEM FOUR, THE NEW SECTION PROVIDES REQUIREMENTS AND STANDARDS TO ADDRESS STREETS THAT ARE NOT PART OF THE STANDARD STREET FRAMEWORK OF TYPE A THROUGH G, SUCH AS ALLEYS, NEWS, PEOS AND SHARED STREETS, AS WELL AS ESTABLISHES A CONSISTENT APPROACH TO STREET DESIGN IN THE DOWNTOWN AREA.

THE SECTION IS GUIDED BY POLICIES AND ACTIONS WITHIN THE TRANSPORTATION COMPONENT OF THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.

THESE ACTIONS AND UH, POLICIES FOCUS ON SUPPORTING WALKABLE AND ATTRACTIVE STREET SCAPES AS WELL AS THE DOWNTOWN CORRIDOR FUTURE LAND USE CATEGORY THAT AIMS TO ENHANCE THE DOWNTOWN CORE.

SPECIAL STREETS ARE UNIQUE STREET TYPES THAT FALL OUTSIDE OF THE CITYWIDE FUNCTIONAL CLASSIFICATION SYSTEM OF TYPE A EXPRESSWAY DOWN TO TYPE G LOCAL STREETS.

THEY ALSO INCLUDE STREETS IN DOWNTOWN PLANO AND AS WE PREVIOUSLY DISCUSSED AT THE NOVEMBER 21ST MEETING, WERE LARGELY CONSTRUCTED BEFORE THE THOROUGHFARE PLAN WAS ESTABLISHED IN 1959.

AND AS A RESULT, THEY HAVE INCONSISTENT STREET RIGHT OF WAYS AND ARE UNIQUE IN COMPARISON TO THE CITYWIDE FUNCTIONAL UH, CLASSIFICATION SYSTEM.

MOST OF THE DESIGN STANDARDS FOR SPECIAL STREETS ARE LOCATED IN PLAN DEVELOPMENT DISTRICTS OR ZONING DISTRICTS IN THE ZONING ORDINANCE, INCLUDING IN THE RESIDENTIAL COMMUNITY DESIGN R C D NEIGHBORHOOD BUSINESS DESIGN, N B D, DOWNTOWN BUSINESS GOVERNMENT, BG, AND THE URBAN MIXED USE UMU ZONING DISTRICTS.

THE UPDATE TO THE THIRD FIRST STANDARDS WILL TRANSITION DESIGN RELATED STANDARDS FOR SPECIAL STREETS FROM THE ZONING ORDINANCE AND CONSOLIDATE THEM IN THE UPDATED THOROUGH FAIR STANDARDS.

IT WILL ALSO INTRODUCE CROSS SECTIONS FOR THESE STREETS, SIMILAR TO THE TYPE A THROUGH G CROSS SECTIONS THAT WE PRESENTED AT THE NOVEMBER 21ST MEETING.

THAT WAS FOR SECTION TWO, THE STREET FRAMEWORK.

NOW I'LL TRANSITION TO DISCUSS SPECIAL STREETS BY THEIR TYPE.

SO THE FIRST ARE ALLEYS.

THESE ARE NARROW ACCESSWAYS OFTEN WITHOUT SIDEWALKS, TYPICALLY PROVIDED AT THE REAR OF RESIDENTIAL LOTS, PROVIDING NECESSARY ACCESS TO THE GARAGES OR OTHER PARKING AREAS.

THE EXISTING MINIMUM OF 10 FEET OF PAVEMENT WITHIN A MINIMUM 15 FOOT OF RIGHT OF WAY WILL REMAIN.

AND OTHER REQUIREMENTS IN SECTION 5.4 OF THE SUBDIVISION ORDINANCE WILL BE RE UH, CONSOLIDATED TO SECTION SIX.

THE NEXT STREET TYPE IS A MUSE.

A MUSE IS A NARROW STREET THAT SERVES SMALL LOT SUBDIVISIONS IN INFILL OR MIXED USE AREAS, UH, IN MIXED USE DEVELOPMENTS OR FUNCTIONS SIMILAR TO ALLEYS

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SOME RECENT EXAMPLES IN THE CITY OF PLANO INCLUDE RICE FIELD ICON AT LEGACY LEGACY WEST, EXCUSE ME, THE COMMODORE HERITAGE CREEKSIDE PLANO GATEWAY, AND THE COLLIN CREEK MALL REDEVELOPMENT.

THE APPLICATION OF MU STREETS HAVE PRIMARILY BEEN CONTROLLED TO THE ZONING PROCESS WITH STANDARDS IN CERTAIN ZONING DISTRICTS.

MAINLY THE, OR NOTABLY THE R C D RESIDENTIAL COMMUNITY DESIGN AND THE UMU URBAN MIXED USE NEWS STREETS ARE DIFFERENT FROM LOCAL STREETS.

THEY DON'T OPERATE QUITE LIKE A LOCAL STREET.

THEY ARE A NARROWER, THEY HAVE SLOWER DESIGN SPEEDS AND THEY SUPPORT SIGNIFICANTLY LESS TRAFFIC THAN A TYPICAL STREET.

AS SUCH, MUSE DO HAVE UNIQUE APPLICATIONS.

STAFF HAS IDENTIFIED IMPROVEMENTS FOR THE APPLICATION OF NEWS STREETS AND THESE ARE INCLUDED IN SECTION SIX.

SOME OF THE IMPROVEMENTS INCLUDE, UM, STAFF RECOMMENDS LIMITING MUSE TO SMALL SUBDIVISIONS WITH LOTS LESS THAN 25 OR IF MORE THAN 25 LOTS.

50% OF THE LOTS SHOULD FRONT A COMMON OPEN SPACE.

AND AS MUSE ARE NOT LOCAL STREETS.

STAFF ALSO RECOMMENDS A MAXIMUM BLOCK LENGTH OF 600 FEET.

SECTION SIX ALSO PROPOSES UPDATES TO THE RIGHT OF WAY AND PAVEMENT WIDTHS AND SETBACKS.

TO MITIGATE PARKING UNCERTAINTIES, A MUSE WILL HAVE A MINIMUM TOTAL RIGHT OF WAY WIDTH OF 28 FEET, A MINIMUM OF 22 FEET OF PAVEMENT, AND AT LEAST THREE FOOT BUFFER ON BOTH SIDES, MOSTLY FOR UTILITIES ALSO, AT LEAST A MINIMUM SETBACK OF SEVEN FEET WOULD BE NEEDED IF PARKING WAS REQUIRED.

AND THIS WOULD CREATE AT LEAST 10 FEET IN SPACE FOR ON STREET PARALLEL PARKING.

FINALLY, STAFF HAS BEEN WORKING WITH THE FIRE DEPARTMENT TO SET STRIPING REQUIREMENTS ON USED STREETS, AND THIS IS STILL ONGOING AS OF TODAY.

THE NEXT SPECIAL STREET TYPE IS CALLED A POEO.

POEO IS A PEDESTRIAN ONLY RIGHT OF WAY WHERE VEHICLE TRAFFIC IS NOT PERMITTED.

THERE ARE VARIOUS CONFIGURATIONS OF A POEO DEPENDING ON THE SURROUNDING LAND USE CONTEXT.

SOMETIMES THEY CAN BE USED IN RESIDENTIAL CONTEXTS AND SOMETIMES THEY BEGIN USED IN, THEY CAN BE USED IN COMMERCIAL CONTACTS.

SECTION SIX SETS THE MINIMUM TOTAL RIGHT OF WAY FOR PASEOS AND PATHWAY WIDTHS DE DEPENDING ON THE NUMBER OF PATHWAYS WITHIN THAT RIGHT OF WAY, ALL DWELLING UNITS THAT ABUT THE PASEO MUST ALSO FACE THAT PASEO.

THIS IS IMPORTANT TO CREATE THE UNIQUE AESTHETICS THAT A PASEO, UM, REQUIRES, AND THE UPDATES WILL CONSOLIDATE PASEOS STANDARDS FROM RC D N B D AND THE UU ZONING DISTRICTS.

FOR THE NEXT FEW SLIDES, I WANTED TO GO THROUGH A FEW PASEO EXAMPLES.

UH, ON THIS FIRST ONE, THIS IS AN EXAMPLE OF A PASEO IN A RESIDENTIAL SETTING.

NOTE THAT THE HOMES FRONT OF PASEO, SO, UM, THERE'S NO REAR ACCESS OF THOSE HOMES THAT OPEN DIRECTLY ONTO THAT PASEO.

ALSO NOTE THAT THERE ARE TWO SIDEWALKS.

SO SECTION SIX SETS AT THE MINIMUM RIGHT OF WAY WIDTH SHOULD BE 28 FEET, BUT IT DOES ALLOW THE FLEXIBILITY FOR SIDEWALK AND AMENITIES WITHIN IT.

THIS ALLOWS THE POEO TO BEST MEET THE LOCAL, UH, CONTEXT AND THE DEVELOPMENT GOALS FOR THIS DEVELOPMENT.

THIS NEXT ILLUSTRATION, UM, IS ANOTHER EXAMPLE OF A POEO IN A RESIDENTIAL SETTING.

IN THIS EXAMPLE, THERE'S A WIDE SIDEWALK WITH VARIOUS PAVEMENT TEXTURE TO ADD CHARACTER ALONG THE POEO.

AND AGAIN, THE HOME'S FRONT THE POEO.

SO THIS LAST ONE, THIS AN EXAMPLE IN A COMMERCIAL SETTING, THE MINIMUM RIGHT OF WAY WOULD STILL BE 28 FEET.

AND THE POEO IS WHERE THE FOUNTAIN AND THAT CIRCULAR GRASS WITH THE BENCHES AND THEN UP IN THE STEPS.

SO THAT IS DEFINED AS THE PASEO IN THIS EXAMPLE.

NEXT IS CALLED A SHARED STREET, ALSO KNOWN AS A WOOF.

A SHARED STREET IS AN ALTERNATIVE TYPE OF LOCAL STREET THAT'S DESIGNED TO BE SHARED AMONG VARIOUS MODES OF TRAVEL TO MINIMIZE SEGREGATION BETWEEN ROAD USERS AND A COMMERCIAL OR RESIDENTIAL SETTING.

SHARED STREETS ARE CURBLESS AND ALLOW THE SURFACES TO BLEND.

SHARED STREETS ARE GROWING IN POPULARITY AROUND THE COUNTRY AND SHOULD BE CONSIDERED IN PLACES DESIGNED FOR HIGH PEDESTRIAN ACTIVITY.

AND WHERE VEHICLE VEHICLE TRAFFIC IS EITHER LOW OR DISCOURAGED, THE TEXTURED COLORED PAVEMENT THAT IS FLUSHED WITH THE CURB REINFORCES THE PEDESTRIAN PRIORITY, WHILE ALSO MAINTAINING ACCESS FOR VEHICLES AND PERMITTING, LOADING AND UNLOADING STAFF HAS PROPOSED A MINIMUM RIGHT OF WAY OF 30 FEET PER SHARED STREETS.

SO THAT'S ABOUT

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UM, AND THAT IS SLIGHTLY, UH, LESS THAN A LOCAL, WHICH RANGES FROM 50 TO 63.

SO I WANTED TO GIVE YOU SOME COMPARISON BETWEEN THE WIDTH FOR AMUSE POEO AND THEN WHAT A LOCAL STREET WOULD BE.

HERE'S ANOTHER, THIS IS AN EXAMPLE THAT I WANT TO INCLUDE.

THIS IS FROM A WEST, UM, CHICAGO SUBURB.

YOU CAN SEE IN THIS IMAGE THAT IT IS CURBLESS AND THE VEHICLES AND FOR THE PEDESTRIANS AND THE AMENITIES THAT SHARE THE RIGHT OF WAY.

SO WHERE THAT JEEP CHEROKEE IS THE WOMAN WALKING AND ALSO, UH, THE WOMAN ON THE BENCH.

THAT IS ALL WITHIN, UH, THE, UH, WOUND OF RIGHT OF WAY.

THIS NEXT EXAMPLE, THIS IS FROM MILWAUKEE.

YOU CAN SEE THAT IT IS ALSO CURBLESS.

UM, BUT THIS ONE IS A LITTLE DIFFERENT WHERE THERE ARE BALLARDS BETWEEN THE MORE AUTO ORIENTED PORTION AND THE PEDESTRIAN ZONE.

YOU CAN ALSO NOTE, UM, THE EFFECT OF THE BALLARDS AND THE PAVEMENT TEXTURE ACTS AS VISUAL CUES FOR THE VEHICLES TO SLOW.

SO THE WHOLE POINT OF THIS AREA IS MINGLING, UM, BETWEEN THE PEDESTRIANS AND THE VEHICLES AS WELL AS DISCUSSED AT THE OCTOBER 3RD COMMISSION MEETING.

A MAJOR EXCEPTION TO THE FUNCTIONAL CLASSIFICATION SYSTEM USED THROUGHOUT THE CITY IS IN THE DOWNTOWN AREA.

THE DOWNTOWN STREET GRID WAS DEVELOPED IN THE LATE 19TH AND EARLY 20TH CENTURIES AND INCLUDES NARROWER STREETS AND SMALLER BLOCKS THAT ARE TYPICALLY FOUND IN NEWER PARTS OF THE CITY.

THIS CONFIGURATION HELPS PROMOTEE A MORE PEDESTRIAN FRIENDLY LAND USE PATTERN, BUT ALSO CREATES CHALLENGES FOR INFILL AND REDEVELOPMENT PROJECTS THAT ARE SUBJECT TO STREET DESIGN STANDARDS THAT ARE TYPICAL OF DEVELOPMENT ELSEWHERE.

THE RESULT OF TRYING TO IMPLEMENT THE CITYWIDE FUNCTIONAL CLASSIFICATION, EXCUSE ME, CLASSIFICATION SYSTEM IN THE DOWNTOWN AREA HAS BEEN A PA PATCHWORK OF INCONSISTENT STREET RIGHT OF WAY AND PAVING OVER THE DECADES.

AND AGAIN, I PRESENTED THIS AT THE OCTOBER 3RD COMMISSION MEETING.

THE HISTORIC GRID HAS CREATED CHALLENGES FOR IMPLEMENTING TRADITIONAL FRONT YARD SETBACKS BASED ON THE DISTANCE FROM THE PROPERTY LINES AND EDGE OF RIGHT OF WAY IN THE DOWNTOWN AREA.

AND THIS WAS, UH, DISCUSSED PREVIOUSLY AS PART OF ZONING CASE 20 20 14.

STAFF RECOMMENDS REESTABLISHING A UNIQUE DOWNTOWN STREET CLASSIFICATION SYSTEM AS PART OF THE THOROUGHFARE STANDARDS UPDATE, WHICH WOULD CREATE A TAILORED APPROACH TO THE STREET DESIGN IN THIS AREA AND COULD POTENTIALLY OFFER A SOLUTION, UM, FOR PRACTICAL CONSISTENT SETBACKS IN THE BG DISTRICT.

THESE STANDARDS WERE ESTABLISHED A CONSISTENT APPROACH TO STREET DESIGN IN THE DOWNTOWN AREA AND ARE INTENDED TO APPLY TO NEW OR EXISTING STREET, UM, WITHIN THAT BOUNDARY.

WHEN DESIGNED FOR CONSTRUCTION OR RECONSTRUCTION.

AT THE NOVEMBER 21ST PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION MEETING STAFF INTRODUCED A PROPOSED MODIFICATION TO THE THOROUGHFARE PLAN MAP, WHICH IS UP ON THE POWERPOINT.

IN THIS PRESENTATION, WE, UM, THIS WAS IN THE STREET FRAMEWORK SECTION, SO SECTION TWO, INCLUDING THE LAND USE CONTEXT FOR OUR ROADWAYS.

SO NEIGHBORHOOD CORNER COMMERCIAL MIXED USE.

YOU CAN SEE THOSE, UM, LABELED ON ON THAT MAP.

UM, THIS WAS AN ADDITION IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE UNDERLYING CHARACTER DEFINING ELEMENTS.

IN ADDITION TO THESE CHANGES, STAFF IS PROPOSING ADDING A DOWNTOWN STREET INSET MAP TO THE THOROUGHFARE PLAN MAP TO INDICATE THAT THE DESIGN OF STREETS IN THE DOWNTOWN AREA WOULD BE SEPARATE.

SO YOU CAN SEE ON THE MAP, UM, WE HAVE A GREEN BOX AND THEN INSIDE IS THE DOWNTOWN INSET.

THE DOWNTOWN STREET MAP CONSISTS OF A SET OF STREET TYPES THAT ESTABLISH A CONSISTENT RIGHT OF WAY FOR EACH STREET, AND IT CORRESPONDS TO VARY DESIGN PRIORITIES SUCH AS THE NUMBER OF LANES AND MULTIMODAL STREET FEATURES.

STREETS ARE SEPARATED INTO THE FOLLOWING FUNCTIONAL CLASSIFICATIONS AND ON THIS PRESENTATION THEY ARE IN THE CABLE AT THE BOTTOM, ALONG THE LEFT COLUMN.

DOWNTOWN COUPLET MAJOR GATEWAY MAJOR AND MINOR COLLECTORS MIXED USE, LOCAL RESIDENTIAL, LOCAL ALLEYS, AND THE MUSE AND SPECIAL STREETS.

THROUGH THIS PROCESS, STAFF EVALUATED THE RIGHT OF WAY WIDTHS FOR ALL THE STREETS IN THE DOWNTOWN AREA.

ALL THE STREETS WITHIN THAT INSET WHEN IMPLEMENTING THE DOWNTOWN STREET TYPE STAFF WORK TO MAKE SURE THE PLAN RIGHT OF WAY WIDTHS WERE BASED ON THE MOST COMMONLY AVAILABLE, EXISTING RIGHT OF WAY TO MINIMIZE IMPACTS IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE CHARACTER DEFINING ELEMENTS OF THE DOWNTOWN CORRIDOR'S FUTURE LAND USE CATEGORY.

THE DOWNTOWN STREETS WERE SUPPORT ACCESS FOR ALL MODES OF TRAVEL ENHANCED BICYCLE AND PEDESTRIAN CONNECTIONS, AND CREATE ATTRACTIVE

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YOU CAN SEE IN THIS FUTURE LAND USE, MULTIMODAL ACCESS IS A HIGH PRIORITY, UM, AND THE BLOCK OF STREET SCAPE, SHORT BLOCK GRID, IT'S VERY URBAN AREA.

TYPICAL STREET DESIGN FEATURES IN THIS AREA INCLUDE WIDER SIDEWALKS ON STREET PARKING, DESIGNATED SPACE FOR STREET TREES, HARDSCAPING AND STREET FURNISHING.

ADDITIONALLY, SOME CORRIDORS HAVE BEEN IDENTIFIED AS CANDIDATES FOR ENHANCED BICYCLE CONNECTIONS, EITHER WITH THE SHARED USE PATH OR ON STREET BICYCLE FACILITIES.

SO I WANNA WALK YOU THROUGH THE PROCESS OF HOW WE EVALUATED THE RIGHT OF WAY WIDTHS IN THE DOWNTOWN.

AND THEN WE ATTEMPTED TO INCORPORATE THE, UM, DOWNTOWN CORRIDOR, CORRIDOR FUTURE LAND USE CATEGORIES AND THOSE CHARACTER DEFINING ELEMENTS THAT I JUST PRESENTED.

SO IN THIS EXAMPLE, THIS IS 15TH STREET FACING WEST, SO WE'RE STANDING ON THE DARK RAIL LINE STAFF, ANALYZED THE RIGHT OF WAY AND EXISTING CONVI CONFIGURATION OF THE STREETS IN DOWNTOWN.

WE WORKED WITH THE GOALS OF INCREASED WALKABILITY, TRANSIT ACCESS, AND ACTIVE TRANSPORTATION TO IMPLEMENT THE CONCEPTS.

SO ON THE NEXT FEW SLIDES, I'M GONNA GO THROUGH HOW WE ARE TAKING THOSE CONCEPTS INTO THE DOWNTOWN.

BEFORE YOU MOVE ON, I JUST WANNA CLARIFY, YOU SAY YOU'RE STANDING ON THE DART RAIL TAKING THIS PICTURE, BUT OBVIOUSLY NOT CAUSE YOU'RE LOOKING AT GEORGE'S MARKET.

SO YOU'VE GOT A WHOLE 15TH PLACE RIGHT NEXT TO YOU THERE.

TRUE, TRUE.

SO IT'S STANDING WEST, IT'S REALLY BETWEEN START AND THAT APARTMENT.

YES.

OKAY.

UM, CONCEPTUALLY THE BIG QUESTIONS, UM, FOR STAFF WAS WHETHER THE UNIQUE RIGHT OF WAY CONSTRAINTS IN THE DOWNTOWN WOULD ALLOW US TO CREATE STREETS THAT SUPPORTED THE DOWNTOWN CORRIDORS FUTURE LAND USE CATEGORY.

AND THE ANSWER THAT WE FOUND THAT AS WE WENT THROUGH THIS EXERCISE EXERCISE WAS THAT YES, WE CAN, AND I CAN SHOW YOU A FEW EXAMPLES.

SO YOU CAN SEE IN THIS, UM, CROSS SECTION WE'RE ADDING IN, UM, A SIDE PATH.

THERE'S A, UM, ON STREETE PARKING AND IT REALLY KIND OF SHOWS YOU WHAT WITHIN THAT A HUNDRED FEET OF RIGHT OF WAY, HOW IT CAN KIND OF CHANGE.

IF YOU REMEMBER BEFORE FOUR LANES AND INCORPORATES A WIDER SIDEWALK, UM, IN THE TRAVEL LANES, THE DOWNTOWN COUPLET, KIND OF TAKING THOSE SAME ELEMENTS.

SO WE HAVE, UH, WIDER SIDEWALKS, UH, CURBSIDE FLEX ZONE WHERE POSSIBLE.

AND ON STREETE PARKING, WE'VE ADDED ON STREETE PARKING IN THIS EXAMPLE ON MUNICIPAL AVENUE.

SO THIS IS ON THE OTHER SIDE OF CITY HALL, WHICH DOES NOT HAVE ON STREET PARKING RIGHT NOW.

MAJOR GATEWAY, THIS IS 15TH STREET US 75 TO G AVENUE.

SO THIS IS A VERY WIDE RIGHT, RIGHT, RIGHT OF WAY.

IT'S A HUNDRED FOOT, UM, FOUR-LANE AND DIVIDED WITH A BIKE ALSO HAS WIDE, UM, UH, SIDEWALKS.

AND IT'S A SHARED USE PATH ON THE SIDE SO THAT ON THE VERY FAR RIGHT EDGE OF THE IMAGE, BICYCLE INFRASTRUCTURE, MAJOR COLLECTORS, AGAIN, KIND OF THE SAME STORY OF WHEREVER POSSIBLE, BRINGING IN GREEN SPACE, WIDER SIDEWALKS ON STREET PARKING, MULTIMODAL FACILITIES, MINOR COLLECTORS, MIXED USE, LOCAL AND RESIDENTIAL LOCAL.

AND I'LL SAY, UM, AS WE WERE GOING THROUGH THE CROSS SECTIONS, IT WAS, UH, AN EXERCISE OF WHAT CAN THE RIGHT OF WAY CONCEPTUALLY HOLD AS IT WOULD GO IN DESIGN.

SOME OF THESE MIGHT MOVE FORWARD, SOME OF THEM MIGHT NOT, BUT IT KIND OF SHOWS IF YOU HAVE A PRIORITY IN THESE AREAS, WHAT YOU CAN DO WITHIN THE RIGHT OF WAY.

SO FOR NEXT STEPS, STAFF EXPECTS DOWNTOWN STREET CHANGES TO OCCUR OVER TIME AND WITH IN INCREMENTAL IMPROVEMENTS TO HAPPEN AS REDEVELOPMENT OCCURS.

AND FOR LARGER PROJECTS TO HAPPEN THROUGH THE COMMUNITY INVESTMENT PROGRAM, CERTAIN ELEMENTS OF THE PLANNED STREET DESIGN MAY BE CREDITED TOWARD DEVELOPER REQUIREMENTS.

FOR EXAMPLE, PLANNED ON STREETE PARKING SPACES THAT WOULD BE CONSTRUCTED LATER COULD COUNT TOWARD, UM, A DEVELOPMENT'S TOTAL PARKING REQUIREMENT.

ADDITIONALLY, AS STAFF, UH, WILL DISCUSS IN MORE DETAIL LATER TONIGHT, STAFF WILL PRESENT THE UNIQUE DOWNTOWN STREET CLASSIFICATION SYSTEM TO THE PUBLIC TO GATHER FEEDBACK ON THE TAILORED APPROACH IN THE DOWNTOWN AND THE PLAN RIGHT OF WAY TO CREATE CONSISTENT SETBACKS IN THE BG DISTRICT AS WELL.

A LOT OF INFORMATION, UM, AND WE RECOMMEND THE COMMISSION PROVIDE DIRECTION PERTAINING TO SECTION SIX SPECIAL STREET DESIGN REQUIREMENTS.

YOU HAVE TO TAKE ANY QUESTIONS.

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THANK YOU.

EVERYBODY'S STILL VERY PENSIVE LOOKING.

COMMISSIONER RATNA.

THANK YOU MR. CHAIRMAN.

UM, GREAT JOB.

LOTS OF READING HERE AND COVERED A LOT OF, A LOT OF GROUND.

FIRST OF ALL, JUST TO, UM, MENTION A COUPLE OF THINGS.

I REALLY LIKE THE, THE CLARIFICATION ON THE MUSE STREETS.

UM, IT'S KIND OF BEEN A ISSUE OF MINE FOR A WHILE, SO THANK YOU FOR CLARIFYING THE FIRE DEPARTMENT'S CONCERNS AND GETTING SOME OF THOSE, UM, WRITTEN INTO THE PLAN.

UM, THE OTHER, THE OTHER THING I REALLY LIKE IS THE NEW 15TH STREET, UM, UH, WEST OF DART.

I THINK YOUR CONCEPTS THERE ARE RIGHT ON TARGET.

UM, IT'S A HEAVILY TRAVELED SECTION OF THE ROAD, BUT, UH, I THINK THAT ON STREET PARKING IS, IS SOMETHING THAT'S DESPERATELY NEEDED THROUGH THERE.

I'M, I'M DOWN THE STREET EVERY DAY, SO, UH, IT'S, IT'S ON ON RIGHT ON TARGET.

A COUPLE OF MY CONCERNS, UM, LOOKING AT THE DETAILS OF THE PLAN IS I SEE A LOT OF IMPROVEMENTS TO 14TH AND 18TH, UM, WHICH WHEN I LOOK AT 'EM FROM A PLANNING PERSPECTIVE, I AGREE COMPLETELY.

MY CONCERN IS THAT IF WE, IF WE N IF WE NARROW UP THE AMOUNT OF TRAFFIC LANES AVAILABLE ON 14TH, 15TH IS ALREADY NARROW.

IF WE NARROW IT UP ON 18TH AS WELL, WE REALLY DON'T HAVE ANY EASTWEST CORRIDORS THERE THAT ARE GONNA HANDLE OUR SERVICE TRAFFIC.

UM, HAS THE TRAFFIC DEPARTMENT LOOKED AT THE IMPACTS OF REDUCING TRAVEL LANES ON ALL THREE OF THOSE? ULTIMATELY? THAT'S A REAL CONCERN OF MINE, YES, THEY, THEY WERE HELPING US THROUGHOUT THE PROCESS, BUT I WILL SAY THAT WE'VE BEEN LOOKING AT THE TOTAL RIGHT OF WAY WIDTH LANE CONFIGURATION AS IT COMES TO DESIGN COULD FLUCTUATE, BUT IT'S TO SHOW IF YOU PUT CERTAIN PRIORITIES, WHAT CAN HAPPEN WITHIN THAT RIGHT OF WAY.

YEAH, AND I, AND LIKE I SAID, CONCEPTUALLY, I THINK IT'S A GREAT TARGET.

MY CONCERN IS ESPECIALLY 14TH CARRIES A LOT OF TRAFFIC, AND TO TAKE IT FROM FOUR LANES DOWN TO TWO THROUGH LANES, I THINK REALLY NEEDS TO BE COORDINATED VERY CLOSELY WITH THE TRAFFIC DEPARTMENT.

I'M CONCERNED ABOUT, UH, AGAIN, DELIVERY TRUCKS AND STUFF.

THERE'S AN AWFUL LOT OF TRUCK TRAFFIC ON THAT ROAD FOR MM-HMM.

FOR A GOOD REASON.

I MEAN, IT, IT'S SERVING THE DOWNTOWN AREA.

SO I JUST THINK WE NEED TO REALLY, REALLY CONCENTRATE ON MAKING SURE TRAFFIC IS ON BOARD WITH WHAT WE'RE DOING THERE.

SO WE, WE DON'T ADVERSELY IMPACT THE BUSINESSES BY TRYING TO HELP THEM .

SO, UM, UM, MY, MY OTHER CONCERN, UH, I SEE A KIND OF A, A ONE PIECE MISSING TO ME, WHICH IS 15TH STREET EAST OF MUNICIPAL OUT TO P I KNOW THAT I'VE SEEN SOME PLANS PRIMARILY RELATED TO THE REDEVELOPMENTS THAT THAT'S OCCURRING IN THAT SECTION OF TOWN, UM, WITH HOW THAT STREET SECTION IS GONNA LOOK, BUT THE QUESTION IS, IS THAT THE FULL LENGTH OF THAT PORTION OF THE STREET, Y'ALL DID A GREAT JOB IDENTIFYING 14TH AND 18TH AND THE LIMITS OF IT, BUT IT SEEMS LIKE 15TH, UM, EAST OF P WAS EAST OF MUNICIPAL, UM, WAS KIND OF LEFT OUT OF THE PLAN AS FAR AS WHAT YOUR VISION OF THAT WAS.

I THINK I KNOW WHAT IT IS.

I JUST THINK WE NEED TO DOCUMENT IT.

OKAY.

SO, UM, I THINK THOSE ARE MY MAIN CONCERNS AND COMPLIMENTS.

SO OVERALL, GREAT JOB.

I THINK YOU, UH, AS FROM A DOWNTOWN RESIDENT, I THINK YOU'RE VERY CLOSE TO THE TARGET WITH A LITTLE BIT OF LITTLE, LITTLE BIT OF, UH, REFINING.

SO THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR YOUR EFFORT.

THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN, COMMISSIONER BRUNO.

THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN.

UM, VERY THOUGHTFULLY DONE.

AND I APPLAUD THE WORK THAT, THAT YOU'VE DONE ON THIS ISSUE.

UM, I HAVE A QUESTION ABOUT THE OTHER CATEGORIES OF SPECIAL STREETS WHO'VE IDENTIFIED MUSE, PASEOS, SHARED STREETS, UH, OR WE DO UNDERSTAND THAT THOSE ARE CITY OWNED PUBLIC RIGHTS OF WAY AS OPPOSED TO PRIVATE PROPERTY.

THE REGULATIONS WOULD APPLY TO EITHER OR.

OH, THEY WOULD APPLY BOTH STANDARDS, YES.

BOTH WAYS.

YES.

UH, A MUSE CAN BE ON A PRIVATE DEVELOPMENT, A POEO COULD BE AS WELL, BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT I WAS GETTING AT.

I CAN CONCEIVE OF A MUSE LIKE ROADWAY OR A POEO LIKE PASSAGE ON PRIVATE PROPERTY THAT WOULD BE VERY CLOSELY ANALOGOUS TO THE PUBLIC EQUIVALENT.

AND I WAS WONDERING IF THESE, UM, PROPOSED STANDARDS WOULD, WOULD APPLY TO THOSE EQUALLY BECAUSE THERE, THERE ARE FACT, THERE ARE FACTORS I THINK THAT ARE, THAT ARE COMMON TO BOTH, LIKE, FOR EXAMPLE, THE, THE NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT THERE'S SUFFICIENT PASSAGE FOR, FOR EMERGENCY VEHICLES, WHICH MEANS THERE HAS TO BE A CERTAIN WIDTH AND PARKING HAS TO BE IN SUCH A WAY AS TO NOT IMPEDE THE PASSAGE OF EMERGENCY VEHICLES AND SO FORTH.

SO THE DESIGN FOR EMERGENCY ACCESS WOULD BE PROVIDED, UM, FOR THE PASEO EXAMPLE YOU JUST GAVE MM-HMM.

IT WOULD BE PART OF THAT.

SO EMERGENCY ACCESS MIGHT NOT BE DIRECTLY DOWN TO PASEO, BUT

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YEP.

ALSO, FROM THE STANDPOINT OF AESTHETICS THAT THESE, APPLYING THESE REGULATIONS TO THE PRIVATE EQUIVALENCE OF MU MUS IN PASEOS AND SHARED STREETS, UH, WOULD ALLOW THE CITY TO MAKE TO ENSURE THAT, UH, SOME SORT OF, UH, VISUALLY ATTRACTIVE PRODUCT IS THE RESULT.

AND THAT, YOU KNOW, SOMEONE DOESN'T JUST THROW UP AN ALLEYWAY WILLY-NILLY, YOU KNOW MM-HMM.

, UM, WITH RESPECT TO DOWNTOWN, I MEAN, OBVIOUSLY DOWNTOWN WAS DEVELOPED LONG BEFORE THERE WERE STREET STANDARDS AND YOU'RE HAVING TO DEAL WITH AN EXISTING ON THE GROUND SITUATION.

SO I AGREE THAT ANY CHANGES WOULD HAVE TO BE DONE SLOWLY OVER TIME AND PROBABLY AS REDEVELOPMENT OCCURS.

UM, I, I WOULDN'T THINK THE CITY HAS PLANS TO, YOU KNOW, TO TEAR DOWN AND BUILDING IT IN, IN ORDER TO MAKE ROOM FOR A FEW PARK BENCHES, YOU KNOW? ANYWAY.

BUT ANYWAY, UM, I THANK YOU FOR YOUR EFFORT.

I, I, I, UM, I LIKE YOUR OVERALL CONCEPT.

THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR.

THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER, TO, FIRST OF ALL, THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR THE PRESENTATION.

IT WAS A GREAT JOB.

UM, I HAVE A COUPLE QUESTIONS.

ONE IS IN GENERAL, MAYBE THIS IS JUST ME.

SO THIS DE STANDERS ARE UPDATING FROM 2009 VERSION OF THE THIRD FAIR UNTIL NOW.

UH, AFTER WE MAKE ALL THESE CHANGES, IF WE FOUND ANY CURRENT CONSTRUCTIONS OR ALREADY BUILD ROAD OR CONFLICT HAVE CONFLICTS WITH THE STANDARDS, WHAT'S GONNA HAPPEN? ARE WE GONNA REQUIRE THE DEVELOPERS TO REDO THEIR STREETS OR, UH, IS THERE ANY, UH, WHAT'S OUR PLAN FOR THAT? SO ARE YOU TALKING THE DOWNTOWN AREA, FOR INSTANCE, IF, FOR INSTANCE, IF THE REDEVELOPMENT PROPOSAL OCCURRED MM-HMM.

, THE CHANGES WOULD OCCUR AT THAT POINT, OR THERE COULD BE A, IF THERE'S A SO ISSUE TO BE UPDATED THAT FOR THE COMMUNITY INVESTMENT PROGRAM AS WELL.

SO IT COULD BE CITY INITIATED OR SITE BY SITE THROUGH A DEVELOPMENT PROPOSAL.

OKAY.

SO WE WOULD, WE WOULD REQUIRE THE, UM, THE CURRENT, EITHER THE STREETS OR THE NEIGHBORHOOD TO MAKE CHANGES TO ADHERE TO OUR NEW STANDARDS.

YES.

IF, IF THERE WAS A CHANGE ON THE STREET, THEY'D HAVE TO FOLLOW THE NEW STANDARDS.

WE WANT TO RETROACTIVELY, UM, MAKE THEM CHANGE.

MAKE THEM CHANGE.

OKAY.

ALL RIGHT.

THAT'S MY FIRST QUESTION.

THE SECOND QUESTION IS THAT I SEE THERE'S A MINIMUM REQUIREMENTS FOR THE ALLEYS ALSO, UH, FOR TWO TRAVEL LANES.

IS THAT TRUE? BECAUSE I THOUGHT THERE, USUALLY THERE'S ONLY ONE TRAVEL LAYING DOWN AN ALLEY.

MAYBE I'M MISREADING IT.

THERE'S A TABLE, SORRY.

IT'S CURRENTLY THE MINIMUM IS 15 FEET IN A RESIDENTIAL AREA AND 20 FEET FOR A, UH, COMMERCIAL ALLEY.

THERE'S NO CHANGE TO THAT.

AND IT'S KIND OF JUST SELF-MANAGED.

OH, SELF-MANAGED? MM-HMM.

.

OKAY.

I JUST, SOMEHOW I READ IT IN A TABLE.

IT SAYS, UH, TWO TRAVEL LANES, BUT IT DOESN'T MATTER IF IT'S TWO TRAVEL LANE OR ONE TRAVEL, TWO TRAVEL LANES OR ONE TRAVEL LANE.

IT'S 15 FEET.

THAT'S RIGHT.

IT'S 15 FEET OF PAVE.

IT WON'T BE MARKED AS SEPARATE LANES.

REGARDLESS HOW, WHAT IT IS.

OKAY, THANK YOU.

I, I KNOW WE'RE UNDER ALI MUSE SPECIAL STREET NUMBER OF TRAVEL LANES TOO.

OKAY.

SO THAT'S BEFORE THE INTERPRETATION CAME FROM.

THAT IS ON YOUR BREAKOUT TABLE FROM DOWNTOWN.

WE'LL MAKE CLARIFICATION OF THAT TABLE.

THANK YOU.

THANK YOU.

YOU'RE GOOD.

OKAY.

UM, THANK YOU.

APPRECIATE IT.

A LITTLE DENSE.

UM, I THINK THE KEY FACTOR IS THAT WE'RE NOT GONNA TELL EVERYBODY THEY GOTTA GO OUT AND TEAR UP THE STREETS.

WE'RE JUST TRYING TO BUILD OURSELVES SOME STANDARDS SO THAT MOVING FORWARD AS REDEVELOPMENT OCCURS, WE HAVE SOMETHING TO ADHERE TOO.

UM, SOME OF THAT REDEVELOPMENT MAY TAKE PLACE FAR ENOUGH IN THE FUTURE THAT WE DON'T USE CARS ANYMORE.

UM, JETSONS OR SOMETHING, WHO KNOWS.

BUT, UH, YES.

ALL RIGHT.

THANK YOU.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH .

APPRECIATE THAT.

NOW, THIS IS NOT A PUBLIC HEARING, BUT WE DO HAVE SEVERAL PEOPLE THAT HAVE, UH, INDICATED THEY'D LIKE TO SPEAK.

SO WHY DON'T YOU RUN THROUGH THE LIST AND, UM, AS I MENTIONED BEFORE, JUST KIND OF GIVE US YOUR INPUT IN GENERAL.

I THINK THERE'S A LOT OF OVERLAP BETWEEN THE ITEMS THAT YOU'RE WANTING TO TALK ABOUT.

SO LET'S JUST GIVE US YOUR INPUT AND THEN WE'LL GO FROM THERE.

FIRST IS FIT, PHYLLIS GERALD.

GOOD EVENING COMMISSIONERS.

I'M PHYLLIS GERALD WITH CITY CENTRIC PLANNING, AND TONIGHT I'M HERE REPRESENTING TEXAS INTOWN HOMES IN GRACO PARTNERS WHO HAVE INFILL REDEVELOPMENT

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UH, LIKE MOST INFILL PROJECTS, THESE PROPERTIES CAME WITH A LOT OF QUIRKS AND CHALLENGES THAT DO NOT FIT NEATLY INTO STANDARDIZED REGULATIONS.

AND WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT ANY ORDINANCE CHANGES THAT YOU'RE CONSIDERING RECOGNIZES AND ALLOWS SOME FLEXIBILITY FOR NEW DEVELOPMENT, ESPECIALLY IN THE USE OF MUSE STREETS.

CAUSE WE HAVE A LOT OF EXAMPLES OF HOW MUSE STREETS HAVE BEEN USED TO DATE THAT DON'T MATCH WHAT'S BEING PROPOSED WITH THE, UH, THOROUGHFARE STANDARDS.

AND ALSO WANT TO LIMIT IMPACTS ON EXISTING PROJECTS THAT MIGHT RESULT IN NON-CONFORMING BUILDINGS.

AND I THINK A LOT OF THIS DISCUSSION STARTED INITIALLY ABOUT DOWNTOWN SETBACKS AND HOW THEY WERE MEASURED, AND THAT'S KIND OF EVOLVED INTO THIS LARGER PROJECT OF THE THOROUGH FAIREST STANDARDS AND DESIGN ISSUES.

AND WE'RE ASKING THAT PROPERTY OWNERS HAVE A SEAT AT THE TABLE AS DISCUSSIONS CONTINUE ON THE THOROUGH FIRSTEST STANDARDS, STATIONARY PLANS AND DESIGN PROGRAMS THAT ARE PART OF YOUR NEXT, UH, AGENDA ITEMS. I'LL BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU HAVE.

THANK YOU.

I DO HAVE A QUESTION FOR STAFF, THOUGH ON THIS WOULD BE A SIMILAR TO OTHER PROJECTS.

WE HAVE A DESIGN STANDARD FOR A STREET, A PARTICULAR UNIQUE DEVELOPMENT SITUATION ARISES THAT SAYS WE NEED A VARIANCE FROM THAT.

WOULD THAT BE AVAILABLE TO A DEVELOPER UNDER THESE, UNDER THE THOROUGHFARE STANDARDS? YES.

SO WE ARE BUILDING IN SOME FLEXIBILITY, ESPECIALLY FOR DOWNTOWN BECAUSE THERE'S JUST SO MANY CONFLICTS WITH UTILITIES AND WHATNOT.

THERE'S A LITTLE MORE FLEXIBILITY THERE FOR THINGS LIKE NEWS AND ALLEYS.

UM, YES, IT IS SUBJECT TO SUBDIVISION ORDINANCE IN THOSE VARIANCE PROCESSES.

THANK YOU.

THANK YOU.

THANK YOU.

NEXT, NEXT IS PAM HOLLAND .

I'M PAM HOLLAND.

I LIVE AT 1611 AVENUE H I HAVE A QUESTION.

WILL OUR TIME BE MULTIPLES OF THREE OR JUST, JUST CHECKING.

ARE YOU SAYING YOU HAVE A LOT TO SAY? NO, NO.

I JUST HAD SOMETHING TO SAY ON EACH ONE, SO JUST WANNA MAKE SURE I COVER IT.

UM, I WILL BE SPEAKING ON THESE THREE ITEMS, AND I'M SPEAKING AS ONE OF THREE VOICES.

IF YOU WANT TO THINK OF IT LIKE A THREE LEGGED STOOL THAT'S NECESSARY TO MAKE THESE KINDS OF DECISIONS THE BEST THEY CAN BE FOR DOWNTOWN.

WE HAVE STAFF WELL INFORM, THEY KNOW WHAT THEY'RE DOING.

WE HAVE BUSINESS OWNERS THAT, YOU KNOW, BRING, YOU KNOW, KEEP OUR ECONOMY GOING, BUT WE ALSO HAVE PEOPLE LIKE ME IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD THAT I REPRESENT, THAT LIVE HERE WITH, UM, A VIEW GREATER THAN JUST, WHAT IS MY BOTTOM LINE? IT'S WILL IT DRIVE COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT AND WILL IT ENRICH THE LIVES OF PEOPLE THAT MOVE HERE AND PEOPLE, YOU KNOW, GOING FORWARD? THE ON THE THOROUGHFARE PLAN? YES, EACH BLOCK IS VERY, UH, UNIQUE IN DOWNTOWN, ESPECIALLY IN THE ESTABLISHED NEIGHBORHOODS.

UH, I GOTTA SAY THOUGH, I AM SO EXCITED TO SEE THE BOAR CONCEPT COMING TO DOWNTOWN.

UH, I THINK THERE'S SOME GREAT PLACES FOR THAT.

UM, THE SHARED STREETS, UH, MUSE STREETS, WE DO HAVE SOME MUSE STREETS AND I'LL HAVE HAVE TO SAY IS I'VE WALKED THESE MOOSE STREETS OR TAKEN PEOPLE ON TOURS OF THESE NEIGHBORHOODS THAT HAVE THE MOVE STREETS.

UH, OR YOU'VE GONE DOWN TO DALLAS, UH, INFIELD DEVELOPMENTS THAT HAVE THESE, THIS IS THE KIND OF STUFF THAT I HEAR BACK.

THEY SAY, ARE YOU SURE IT'S OKAY TO WALK HERE? I FEEL LIKE I'M UP IN THEIR BUSINESS, LIKE I'M UP IN THEIR YARD.

SO I THINK COMMISSIONER BRUNO'S POINT IS VERY WELL TAKEN THAT TO CALL THEM OUT WITH SOME ATTRACTIVE PAVING THAT LETS PEOPLE KNOW THIS IS, THIS IS A PLACE FOR EVERYONE, UH, IS VERY IMPORTANT.

I KNOW IT COSTS MORE, BUT IT DOES SEND A MESSAGE ON THE MUSE THAT ESPECIALLY, UH, DIP IN THE CENTER AND THEY'RE JUST MADE OF CONCRETE.

THEY LOOK JUST LIKE AN ALLEY, NOT ATTRACTIVE, JUST MY OPINION.

THANK YOU.

STEP, UH, MOVING ON.

UH, THANK YOU STAFF FOR CONSIDERING THE CALMING MEASURES ALONG WHAT I CALL THE MUNICIPAL AVENUE SPEEDWAY AND ALONG 18TH.

UH, I WOULD ALSO SUGGEST, UH, ADDING MORE OF THIS OVER AT 14TH, ALONG THE DANGEROUS CURVE WHERE PEOPLE CROSS OVER TO URBAN RIO.

I HOPE THAT SOMEDAY MANY MORE BUSINESSES WILL BE ALONG JAY AND PEOPLE WILL BE REGULARLY CROSSING BACK AND FORTH.

SO I DON'T KNOW IF THAT WE REALLY NEED FOUR LANES AT THAT POINT.

UH, REMOVING A LANE OR

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SO THAT'S PRETTY MUCH WHAT I WANNA SAY.

I DIDN'T WANNA GET DOWN INTO THE WEEDS OF SPECIFIC THINGS.

JUST WANNA LET YOU KNOW I'M IN SUPPORT OF THESE MEASURES AND REALLY EXCITED TO SEE THESE THINGS HAPPENING.

THANK YOU.

THANK YOU.

NEXT WE HAVE PIERCE CRAVENS.

JUST TO BE CLEAR TOO, I MEAN, ITEM FOUR IS ALL ABOUT A PROJECT THAT IS ALL ABOUT COMMUNITY OUTREACH THAT INVOLVES RESIDENTS, BUSINESS OWNERS, DEVELOPERS, STAFF, COMMISSION MEMBERS.

UH, WE HAVE A LOT OF DISCUSSIONS STILL TO TAKE PLACE ON ALL OF THESE ITEMS. SO, HI, MY NAME IS PIERCE CRAVINS.

I LIVE AT 1200 EAST 15TH, AND THIS IS MY FATHER WILLIAM CRAVINS.

UM, WE'RE INVOLVED IN VARIOUS DEVELOPMENTS IN THE CITY OF PLANO, IN ADDITION TO HAVE OWNED, UH, PROPERTY HERE FOR QUITE A LONG TIME.

AND, UH, AS PHYLLIS, UM, EMPHASIZED WE'RE, WE'RE JUST LOOKING FOR A SEAT AT THE TABLE AND, UH, WANNA MAKE SURE THAT, UH, UH, THAT STAKEHOLDERS AND BUSINESS OWNERS AND AND PROPERTY OWNERS, UH, DO HAVE THE ABILITY TO BE HEARD.

UM, AS IT'S BEEN MENTIONED, THERE'S DIFFICULT TO TAKE A HOLISTIC VIEW, UM, AND A MONOLITHIC APPROACH TO DOWNTOWN.

SO WE APPRECIATE THE, UH, UH, THE TAILORING OF THIS NEIGHBORHOOD WITH RESPECT TO THOROUGH FAIR STANDARDS.

UM, UH, AN ANOTHER CONCERN THAT WE HAVE IS WHO BEARS THE COST FOR SOME OF THIS ADDITIONAL RIGHT OF WAY? UM, AND ALSO THE TIMING CONCERNED WITH IT AS WELL WITH THIS PLAN AND WITH THIS REVIEW, WHAT DOES HAPPEN TO PROJECTS THAT ARE CURRENTLY OR PENDING ZONING CASES? UH, FOR EXAMPLE, WE HAVE A PROJECT THAT, UH, WE ANTICIPATE STARTING TO, UH, APPLY FOR BUILDING PERMITS IN THE NEAR FUTURE.

SO JUST KIND OF HOW IT'S, UH, APPROACHED THAT WAY.

DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING ELSE? I THINK OTHER THAN, UM, AS PIERCE SAID, WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO IS MAKE SURE THAT BEFORE ALL THE DECISIONS ARE MADE, THAT PERHAPS BOTH THE DEVELOPERS AND THE PROPERTY OWNERS THAT HAVE PROPERTY INVOLVED, UH, AND MIGHT BE INFLUENCED IN SOME WAY BY THE, UH, STREET IMPROVEMENTS THAT, UH, THEY GET THE, SOME SORT OF INPUT IN THE PROCESS.

THAT'S REALLY THE MAIN THING THEY WANT TO SEE.

OKAY.

THANK YOU.

THANK YOU.

NEXT WE HAVE RON PIERCE.

GOOD EVENING.

UH, MY NAME'S RON PIERCE.

I AM THE OWNER OF 10 13 A BUILDING ON 15TH STREET IN THE HEART OF HISTORIC DOWNTOWN PLANO.

I ALSO AM THE VICE PRESIDENT OF THE PLANO PI AND I'M THE PRESIDENT OF H D P A AND I'M HERE KIND OF REPRESENTING BOTH THOSE GROUPS TONIGHT.

UM, FIRST OF ALL, I WANNA THANK YOU FOR YOUR ONGOING INVESTMENT IN THE DOWNTOWN PLAYDOH AREA AND THE IMPROVEMENTS YOU'VE BEEN MAKING.

UH, I'M SURE YOU ALL AGREE IT'S A VERY SPECIAL PLACE AND NEAR AND DEAR TO MANY OF OUR HEARTS AND BUSINESSES.

UM, SO WE'RE ALSO VERY EXCITED BY THE FACT THAT THERE'S SOME NEW PROPOSALS IN THE WORKS THAT ARE GOING TO CONTINUE MOVING FORWARD IN MANY AREAS.

UM, THAT IS AWESOME.

BUT I DO HAVE ONE REQUEST THAT AS YOU MOVE FORWARD WITH THESE PROPOSALS, THAT YOU GIVE SOME OPPORTUNITY FOR THESE TWO ORGANIZATIONS, THE PEOPLE IN THE PIT AND THE MEMBERS OF H D P A TO EITHER BE CONSULTED WITH OR HAVE, PROVIDE SOME INPUT ON WHAT YOU'RE DOING.

UH, SO WE ARE PART OF THE PROCESS AND THAT THIS IS SOMETHING THAT WILL INCORPORATE THE MANY PEOPLE THAT HAVE INVESTED IN BUSINESS AND REAL ESTATE DOWN DOWNTOWN.

UH, ALSO ALL THE BUSINESS MERCHANTS DOWN THERE, THAT THEY HAVE THEIR SAY AND THAT THEIR INPUT IS VALUED.

UH, AND YOU GIVE US SOME GOOD COMMUNICATION DURING THE PROCESS, UH, A LOT OF TRANSPARENCY AND GIVE US THE OPPORTUNITY TO BE ABLE TO COME BACK TO YOU WITH ANY THOUGHTS OR SUGGESTIONS.

AND THE GOAL IS NOT TO HOLD YOU UP, NOT TO SLOW YOU DOWN, BUT WE DO WANT TO MAKE SURE WE HAVE SOME SAY IN PROTECTING THIS PRECIOUS LITTLE SPACE WE HAVE IN DOWNTOWN PLANO.

THANK YOU ALL.

THANK YOU.

FINALLY, WE HAVE MR. FRANK TURNER.

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UH, MY NAME IS FRANK TURNER.

URBAN OPPORTUNITY, UH, IS MY CONSULTING FIRM, AND, UH, I DO ASSIST SOME OF THE DOWNTOWN PROPERTY OWNERS WITH PROJECTS, UH, CURRENTLY IN SERVICE TO THE CRAVENS ON SEVERAL, UH, PROPERTIES IN THE DOWNTOWN AREA.

MY COMMENTS WILL BE GENERAL, UH, AS TO DOWNTOWN AND NOT SPECIFIC TO THEIR PROJECTS.

UM, I PROVIDED YOU EARLIER, I BELIEVE THEY'VE BEEN DISTRIBUTED TO YOU, WRITTEN COMMENTS, AND I'LL TRY NOT TO REPEAT THOSE FOR THE SAKE OF TIME.

UM, I CAME HERE, UH, ALMOST 39 YEARS AGO.

UH, IT WAS 1984 AND, UH, TIMES HAVE, UH, CHANGED AND DOWNTOWN HAS CHANGED REMARKABLY DURING THAT PERIOD.

UM, AT THAT TIME, 15TH STREET WAS TWO LANES COMING IN FROM US, 75, WHICH WAS TWO LANES IN EACH DIRECTION AT THAT TIME FOR US, 75.

UM, VIRTUALLY EVERY STREET IN THE DOWNTOWN AREA HAS BEEN RECONSTRUCTED SINCE THEN.

SO WHILE WE HAVE HISTORIC DOWNTOWN STREET PATTERNS, I CAN TELL YOU AGAIN THAT VIRTUALLY EVERY STREET IN THE DOWNTOWN AREA AVENUE K, THE COUPLET, 15TH STREET, 14TH STREET, THE COUPLET, UH, THE UH, 13TH, 14TH CONNECTOR, ALL OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD STREETS HAVE BEEN RECONSTRUCTED DURING THAT PERIOD.

FOR THE MOST PART, THE CITY TRIED TO RESPECT EXISTING RIGHT OF WAY AND STREET PROFILES IN REDEVELOPING THOSE STREETS.

THERE ARE OBVIOUS EXCEPTIONS.

THE COUPLET, THE, UH, 13TH, 14TH CONNECTOR, 15TH STREET, ARE ALL GOOD EXAMPLES OF WHERE STREETS WERE MODIFIED TO MEET THE CHANGE IN CONDITIONS OF DOWNTOWN.

EVERY TIME YOU MAKE A CHANGE, UH, NOT ONLY DO YOU CHANGE THE CIRCULATION PATTERNS AND HAVE TREMENDOUS EFFECT ON THE OVERALL FABRIC OF DOWNTOWN, YOU AFFECT INDIVIDUAL PROPERTIES SIGNIFICANTLY BY INCREASING RIGHT OF WAY OR AFFECTING ACCESS STANDARDS, CURB, RADIUS, ALL OF THOSE THINGS.

AGAIN, ADD OR DETRACT ACCESS AND THE USE OF PROPERTY, NOT TO MENTION REQUIREMENTS FOR THEIR PARTICIPATION IN THE CONSTRUCTION OF IMPROVEMENTS.

I THINK IT'S GOOD TO TAKE AN OVERALL VIEW AND GLOBAL VIEW OF LOOKING AT REWORKING THE STREET DESIGNATION AND CLASSIFICATION SYSTEM.

BUT I THINK IT'S ALSO IMPORTANT TO TAKE TIME IN REFINING THIS AND ADOPTING THIS TO APPLY TO SPECIFIC PROPERTIES AS WELL, AND TO TAKE AND SOLICIT THE INPUT OF INDIVIDUAL PROPERTY OWNERS WHO WILL BE AFFECTED BY THESE DECISIONS, UH, WHILE A COMMITTEE IS TO BE SUPPORTED AND ENDORSED.

IN DOING THIS, AGAIN, INDIVIDUAL PROPERTY OWNERS WILL HAVE A DIRECT, WILL BE DIRECTLY IMPACTED AND NEED TO BE A PARTICIPANT IN THIS PROCESS.

UH, THAT BRINGS UP A POINT ON, UH, MAJOR PROJECTS VERSUS, UH, THOSE THAT ARE INCREMENTAL AND, UH, CAN BE ACHIEVED BY INDIVIDUAL ACTIONS OVER TIME.

UH, AN EXAMPLE OF THIS WOULD BE, UH, THE TWO STREETS THAT ARE SHOWN ON THE PLAN, CONNECTING FROM JAY TO K.

UH, THESE ARE TWO NEW STREETS THEY PARTIALLY EXHIBITED EXISTED IN PRIOR TIMES.

AND THERE ARE REMNANTS OF RIGHT OF WAY THAT WOULD ALLOW OR SUGGEST THAT RECONNECTING THOSE TWO STREETS IN THAT AREA, UH, WOULD BE GOOD BENEFICIAL CREDENT AGING, UH, SMALLER BLOCKS, MAKING IT MORE PEDESTRIAN FRIENDLY.